< 1290038712 0 :Hiant!~Person@pool-71-255-192-189.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290038735 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accursed dc'ing, one day I will conquer you! < 1290039290 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders why he's trying to relearn Scala < 1290040572 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] < 1290041327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN NEW YORK < 1290041329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS ONLY < 1290041330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1290041666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're in my state? < 1290042047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Nor is he in York. < 1290042357 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290043707 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sshc < 1290044801 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290045051 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity = Succ infinity < 1290045062 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... I can imagine how it's legal, I guess < 1290045069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still a bit of a headache < 1290045091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's no more unreasonable than infinite lists < 1290045148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let 0 = succ 0 in ... < 1290045435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone ever write zero = Zero < 1290045447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they have consistency with other assigned constants? < 1290045451 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as infinity? < 1290045648 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That condition is never going to pass, so lyingSearch going to keep taking the Succ branch forever, thus returning infinity" < 1290045651 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1290045661 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it do that in a finite amount of time? < 1290045666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/searchable-data-types/ < 1290047380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it runs on an Infinity Machine. < 1290047665 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Somebody should write DNSSEC system simulator that simulated a domain, its upstream and clients trying to resolve. Then it would let you do various things and warn if those things would break stuff... :-) < 1290047704 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because it's lazy < 1290047725 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also because the result of lyingSearch is indistinguishable from infinity < 1290047738 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are Succ $ Succ $ Succ $ Succ ad nauseam < 1290048401 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to attempt to prove/disprove Goldbach? < 1290048420 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1290048456 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290048456 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION meant twin primes, but I'm sure both are not easily determinable via this mechanism < 1290048470 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't < 1290048662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wants a detailed explanation on why < 1290048762 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because this mechanism does not produce infinite calculations < 1290048774 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it merely exploits a trick to make two values indistinguishable < 1290049719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1290049760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's shorter by about a hundred miles to drive from England to Iran than to drive from Washington to Georgia. < 1290049789 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts it in perspective, eh? < 1290049839 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah — the US is really, truly, positively huge. < 1290049850 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as big as Canada, though! < 1290049864 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fatter, though!) < 1290049869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but much less of Canada has notable population. < 1290049892 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1290049936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, really, how many people actually live in Nunavut, Yukon, or the Northwest Territories?) < 1290050075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Course, on the other hand: how many people actually live in fucking Alaska? < 1290050077 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290050167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1290050176 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try Losethos < 1290050196 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a weird definition of "should" sometimes < 1290050215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's SMALL < 1290050248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Emulators are < 1290050248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like running on pathetic hardware, so run it directly or use VMWare. It's not < 1290050248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very power efficient for laptops, either." < 1290050253 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::psyduck: < 1290050276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want a nice programming OS to play with < 1290050387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loſeþos, sadly, has an extra dose of crazy. < 1290050466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1290050475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LoseThos requires a 64-bit capable processor" < 1290050481 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what I'm emulating? < 1290050482 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrr < 1290051995 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290052137 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Windows validation: Thanks for not checking that I'm actually using a version of Windows that allows me to use XP Mode < 1290052655 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290054160 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1290057101 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1290058498 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290058528 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290060069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads House < 1290060119 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1290060555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... I want a manual < 1290060570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1290060614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ^ < 1290060629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :House < 1290060680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is amused by how ungoogle-able House is unless you have some idea of the context < 1290060693 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://programatica.cs.pdx.edu/House/ < 1290060753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is a manual < 1290060755 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of < 1290061594 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.12/20101026210630] < 1290062011 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1290062932 0 :Ugo!~user@178.216.72.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290063378 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290064078 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290064224 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1290066110 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290066136 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest3160 < 1290066145 0 :Guest3160!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what just happened < 1290066152 0 :Guest3160!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was typing a response and bam irssi broke < 1290066163 0 :Guest3160!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and...wtf < 1290066164 0 :Guest3160!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1290067199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1290067200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1290067248 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1290068235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1290070013 0 :atrapado!~rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290070675 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290071134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290071210 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290071624 0 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.rh.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1290071635 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, entertain me, gents. < 1290071937 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYV_-QnWBoA&feature=related < 1290072113 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Very 2001. < 1290072133 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote that after reading the description. < 1290072147 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, but it doesn't make it any less true. < 1290072161 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is characteristic of the year it came out. So sue me. < 1290072204 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think me harsh. < 1290072208 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been awake for a while. < 1290072339 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you and everything you stand for, evincar < 1290072361 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Liar from the past! < 1290072435 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i had travelled from the past to this specific moment in time. how come you knew?? < 1290076159 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I'll be back some day to banter with you at a time when my wit reserves aren't so depleted. < 1290076165 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Sleep...? < 1290079832 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290080058 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1290082491 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290086018 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(true); do cat wget.log | awk '{if(($0~/\.\./)&&($0~/%/)){ got_line = 1; line=$0; } else { if(got_line == 1) { print line; got_line=0 } print $0;}}' | tail -n 100; sleep 0.01; done; < 1290086021 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 awk. < 1290086168 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290086295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice Useless Use of Cat there, too. < 1290086319 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1290086394 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1290086551 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i replaced it with tail -n10000 < 1290086600 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: usually i prefer not to pass the file argument to awk, for clarity < 1290086607 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, this code would become unintelligible. < 1290086614 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we wouldn't want that, now would we. < 1290086883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the logic there? If there's a % and a .. on a line, then repeat that before the next line? < 1290086945 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenate lines that look like this: < 1290086946 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 2% 247K 9s < 1290086946 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 50K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 4% 25.2K 48s < 1290086946 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 100K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 6% 21.5K 64s < 1290086946 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 150K .......... .......... .......... .......... .. < 1290086958 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first three get aggregated) < 1290087018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, the latter print $0 is inside the else. So keep only the last line like that, right. < 1290087045 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"print line" prints the last line like that < 1290087053 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"print $0" prints lines that are not like that. < 1290087486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed -e '/\.\..*%/{h;d};H;s/.*//;x;s/^\n//' < 1290087494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's much more comprehensible than some inscrutable awk expression. < 1290087523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: it might not completely work.) < 1290087651 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-243.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290088448 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290088801 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@97-124-43-96.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290089035 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, mine works < 1290089037 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(true); do s=`du -chs . | grep total`; t=`date +%s`; while(true); do cat wget.log | awk '{if(($0~/\.\./)&&($0~/%/)){ got_line = 1; line=$0; } else { if(got_line == 1) { print line; got_line=0 } print $0;}}' | tail -n 100; echo $s; echo $t; u=`date +%s`; if [ "$u" -gt "$t" ]; then break 1; fi; sleep 0.01; done; done; < 1290089041 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is much nicer < 1290089048 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adds a download size meter < 1290089230 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said "might not completely work"; it did work in my tests. < 1290089259 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer my iterative method to your functional method < 1290089287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what's functional about it; there's even a jump in the middle and all. < 1290089592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"du -hs ." prints out just a single-line total for current-directory, so you don't need to grep there. < 1290089605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "while true" is better since "while (true)" involves true being unnecessarily started in a subshell. < 1290090058 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1290090164 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll keep it this way because it adds the word "total" which is nice < 1290090172 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll remove the subshells though < 1290090189 0 :Ugo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1290090203 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing that dot from du would be painful i think, still requires a grep < 1290090226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in minecraft I found out two major cavern systems (major means: huge, and goes all the way between the surface and the bedrock) that I thought were separate (due to being quite far from each other) were actually connected deep down. That ruins my path notation system which marks the way up with 3 torches when there are branches that would make it confusing otherwise. < 1290090258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I guess I will have to switch to proper signs < 1290090438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why 3 torches rather than signs? Lots of reasons: Torches stack in your inventory, You need them anyway while exploring caverns. Plenty of coal down there but not much wood, and signs uses quite a lot of wood compared to torches.) < 1290090534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: < 1290090534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ t=`du -hs .`;echo total: ${t%.} < 1290090534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total: 6.2M < 1290090542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very painful. < 1290090554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bash-only, though.) < 1290090559 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work? < 1290090592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :${foo%blah} removes the longest matching trailing instance of "blah". (It can have ?* style wildcards.) < 1290090626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, or actually it was the shortest matching. < 1290090641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ${foo%%blah} for the longest case. I always forget which one is which. < 1290090734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also corresponding ${foo#blah} and ${foo##blah} forms that remove prefixes, and ${foo/blah/bleh} which replaces the first blah with bleh. (Simplified.) < 1290091280 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1290091601 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290091655 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1290091965 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290092500 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1290093453 0 :Ugo!~user@178.216.72.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290093771 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290093880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rJ4QOxacA0U/Syxx8VXhIMI/AAAAAAAAAEg/KvSxckiK6rs/s1600-h/Screenshot.png < 1290094118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed '$q;s/$/\n%/g' < 1290094288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ sed script to convert file of lines to fortune db < 1290094376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -e 'print join "%\n", <>;' <-- Perl script to do the same, just for giggles. < 1290094415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Will load the whole file in memory, though.) < 1290094476 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1290094576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in this case it was a 70 meg file (entire clog #esoteric logs), so my solution is nicer < 1290094582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not that big a deal < 1290094598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, does that handle when the file ends < 1290094601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a\nb\nc\n < 1290094603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be < 1290094603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1290094604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% < 1290094604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1290094605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% < 1290094606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1290094609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no % at the end < 1290094618 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the join only puts %s between the lines. < 1290094653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of dividing by lines, though, you should divide it into short, semantically meaningful snippets. (With a sed oneliner.) < 1290094665 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aja, i've fixed the screen glitches. < 1290094685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, the point was to use fortune to power optbot, since it's designed to spew out a given random snippet. < 1290094704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So I stripped away dates and names, and even names before the first :, but some people use "," which it doesn't catch. Whatever. < 1290094710 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes "echo" would take just long enough to cause the listing to jump around < 1290094716 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you were going to use that, well, for fortune. < 1290094721 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's all buffered in awk. < 1290094761 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1290094766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting something insightful like " %" as a random message at login would certainly brighten anyone's day! < 1290094832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Absolutely. (Hmm, I just ensured that this can't possibly work if you strip off names, by sending "%" as a message.) < 1290094846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nice job breaking it, hero. < 1290094848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hero.) < 1290094875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Did fortune database format have some sort of quoting? < 1290094955 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's pretty much final: < 1290094955 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while true; do s=`s=\`du -hs .\` ; echo ${s%.} total`; t=`date +%s`; while true; do (cat wget.log; echo; echo; echo $s; echo $t) | awk '{ out = ""; if(($0~/\.\./)&&($0~/%/)){ got_line = 1; line=$0; } else { if(got_line == 1) { out = line "\n"; got_line=0 } out = out $0; print out}}' | tail -n 100; u=`date +%s`; sleep 0.01; if [ "$u" -gt "$t" ]; then break; fi; done; done; < 1290095003 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... one thing i could do is to add an adaptive low-pass filter to measure the speed, but meh < 1290095019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like it. < 1290095087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there a fancier elisp for (getenv "HOME")? I know it has /tmp as a verbosely-named directory. < 1290095315 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(expand-file-name "~") is fancy. < 1290095647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lawl < 1290095992 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290096066 0 :Ugo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1290096225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Phantom_Hoover = < 1290096228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ =// < 1290096239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover = x. < 1290096243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solve for x. < 1290096296 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERr. < 1290096349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I hereby approve of ido-mode and flymake. < 1290096358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note this down in your textbook. < 1290096367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy book! < 1290096399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No; scrawl on your textbook. < 1290097216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh dear, now my ~/.emacs is huge; how did that happen? < 1290097227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic. < 1290097273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexy magic. < 1290097533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sexy...magic? < 1290097718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I actually want that in-Emacs browser X-D < 1290097769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unix directories get bigger as you add files, but, oddly, don’t get smaller when you delete those files" < 1290097770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1290098034 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, w3m? < 1290098064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ezbl < 1290098065 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAT directories do the same, since deleting a file from a FAT filesystem equals replacing the first byte of the file name with 0xe5. < 1290098068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rJ4QOxacA0U/Sqs9y8eDJ1I/AAAAAAAAACE/F4cN6N1rTgE/s1600-h/Screenshot.png < 1290098070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rJ4QOxacA0U/Syxx8VXhIMI/AAAAAAAAAEg/KvSxckiK6rs/s1600-h/Screenshot.png < 1290098074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow. < 1290098199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I love how crazy svk is. < 1290098201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so why can't you have it? < 1290098203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Distributed subversion. Seriously.) < 1290098223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's not really usable yet (last I heard text input doesn't work any way other than using the middle mouse button to paste). < 1290098228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also uzbl sucks. < 1290098236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly ezbl would hide the suckiness :P < 1290098320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Distributed Concurrent Versions System (DCVS) is a distributed revision control system that enables software developers working on locally distributed sites to efficiently collaborate on a software project. DCVS is based on the well known version control system Concurrent Versions System. The code is freely distributable under the GNU and BSD style licenses." < 1290098321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WJW < 1290098464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ezbl? < 1290098583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The thing in the two screenshots I linked. < 1290098592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Emacs-patched-with-XEmbed-support interface to uzbl. < 1290098686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a global hotkey that switches to emacs :P < 1290098798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can you link me to that post about colours I linked you a while back? I've lost it. < 1290098863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As have I. < 1290099011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Man, I love how crazy svk is. <-- iirc I tried it once and conclusion was "rather broken as well" < 1290099018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was several years ago though < 1290099039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, Best Practical use(d) it for everything, so it's not like it's untested. < 1290099042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Let's say "fucked up" :P < 1290099066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is "Best Practical" a project or something? < 1290099077 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is the only way to get that sentence to parse :P < 1290099091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Best Practical is a Company with a capital C. They make the RT "request tracker" (bug tracker) system that Perl uses, for instance. < 1290099101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much famous for that :P < 1290099111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They develop svk. < 1290099113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, did; it's abandoned. < 1290099127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rJ4QOxacA0U/Sqs9y8eDJ1I/AAAAAAAAACE/F4cN6N1rTgE/s1600-h/Screenshot.png http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rJ4QOxacA0U/Syxx8VXhIMI/AAAAAAAAAEg/KvSxckiK6rs/s1600-h/Screenshot.png <-- uh.. the first one doesn't look like w3m-el to me. The second one? Huh? < 1290099139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I love all these little strange VCS systems -- arch, DCVS (seriously), svk, Monotone, Codeville -- although, well, that's really two categories: the insane (arch, DCVS, svk) and the merely interesting. < 1290099141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is that thingy < 1290099146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in those screenshots) < 1290099154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nowhere did I ever claim they are w3m-el. If you read onwards you will see that I already explained; I won't repeat myself. < 1290099165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The latter has an "Emacs in a web browser" thing opened. < 1290099171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i.e. a web-based editor that shares some superficial keybindings < 1290099172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, arguably you could say that monotone belongs to the rather insane category too. And not in a good sense. < 1290099191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know you have this really strange opinion of Monotone but it's actually well-engineered from what I've seen. < 1290099193 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ezbl hm < 1290099196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting < 1290099204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paranoid with its hashes... sure. You're paranoid too :) < 1290099227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, remember that git, mercurial, Bazaar -- are all years younger than Monotone. So the user experience hadn't been standardised as much then. < 1290099240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darcs was the first thing to have a UI similar to current tools, in 2002. (Second ever DVCS). < 1290099243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even it's odd in some ways. < 1290099248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. That is a major reason for the wtfness of monotone < 1290099276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, arguably svn inspired the current ones as well to some degree when it comes to user interface. < 1290099282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes, but it wasn't distributed. < 1290099286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1290099318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing a DVCS once. Never did finish it. I should! < 1290099321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just merge it with ais523's. < 1290099340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Real irritant for me: you can't make Emacs start up maximised. < 1290099340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I wouldn't say that darcs is very similar to the current major ones. bzr/hg st is something like darcs whatsnew iirc < 1290099346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can make it fill the screen but not "properly".) < 1290099357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, no, but it has close analogues to just about every command. < 1290099362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1290099372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Although its cherry picking is sorely missed in all other current offerings.) < 1290099378 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1290099400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess only haskell people can wrap their head around making it work. IIRC I heard it was somewhat tricky to implement. < 1290099420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt emacs: are you sure it doesn't expose any way to do it from elisp? < 1290099425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, well... it takes a physicist to design darcs. That isn't a saying but it should be. < 1290099428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, yes, I'm sure. < 1290099434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290099435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've googled extensively, and everyone's just calculating pixels to set it to. < 1290099444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that rounds to the nearest line. < 1290099450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but that isn't the same, semantically.. < 1290099454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus leaving an ugly space to the right and bottom of the Emacs window. < 1290099456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed. < 1290099465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try moving a maximised window vs. one that happens to fill the screen < 1290099470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1290099481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway that ezbl thing needs a patched Emacs :) < 1290099494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But it *is* very cool, and it also furthers my True Emacs WM idea. < 1290099498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but that ymacs thingy, is it a screenshot filling that screenshot? < 1290099502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which is: Have X windows be actual Emacs buffers. < 1290099504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, no < 1290099512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see http://www.ymacs.org/demo/ < 1290099515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's just that, loaded in Emacs < 1290099531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh. My first thought was "oh god, someone implemented a VNC client in emacs". It looks like a window inside a window :P < 1290099542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's meant to. :P < 1290099552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well with the xembed patch you could easily do vnc < 1290099556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's just getting input to the window < 1290099558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1290099562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway True Emacs WM would be awesome < 1290099565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is this patch going official? < 1290099570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably not :P < 1290099593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ymacs is written in js < 1290099599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use lisp at all? < 1290099611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like implementing an interpreter for lisp < 1290099636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1290099645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's lame, but the screenshot is just meant to be silly :P < 1290099649 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm how flexible is it? < 1290099658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "not at all" i would guess < 1290099661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290099674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but hey, click the maximised thing < 1290099677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just make emacs work on jsmips then use that < 1290099679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can drag ymacs around!! < 1290099679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why) < 1290099689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: emacs would already work on jsmips, it has C < 1290099691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and iirc runs vi < 1290099692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you create more windows? < 1290099697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think so :P < 1290099705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, emacs uses a lot more system calls than vi I think < 1290099724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it was vim < 1290099730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since jsmips is not feature complete afaik, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't work < 1290099734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Very Ibloated Meditor < 1290099742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1290099748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: VIM = Very I-bloated M-editor :P < 1290099751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :P < 1290099761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the M confused me :P < 1290099768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right bitches, I'm even a minimalist snob about vi! < 1290099772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM UNSTOPPABLE < 1290099790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, jsmips' ls is now coloured X-D < 1290099793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, vi? bah. Too large < 1290099801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't suggest ed, I actually use ed sometimes. < 1290099806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's great. < 1290099812 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I suggest dd/sh :P < 1290099814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Say, does your fort have any glass windows? If not, why not? < 1290099818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's an editor implemented in dd/sh < 1290099827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thats off topic here really :P < 1290099828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1290099833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://dd-sh.intercal.org.uk/ex1/ < 1290099840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: specifically, it was the first ever dd/sh program in 1998 or something < 1290099860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant using dd/sh raw as your editor of course. dd-ex is bloated ;P < 1290099884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But dd-ex is supported by famous science fiction author Charlie Stross! http://www.metafilter.com/67661/Words-words-words-And-symbols#1954503 < 1290099898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stross < 1290099929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Author of Singularity Sky and Halting State! Publisher of the ridiculously popular blog post about the Lord who purported to have talked to a group that wanted to buy the British government recently! < 1290099931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, it says: "I use vi. This is because I am a clueless luser, unlike the fellow responsible for THIS." < 1290099936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Click "THIS". < 1290099941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1290099943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THIS WORLD WE HAVE HYPERLINKS IN OUR BROWSERS < 1290099950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but he says he use vi not dd-ex :P < 1290099957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but he says that dd-ex is superior. < 1290099961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: By calling himself a clueless luser. < 1290099964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well true < 1290099974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Compare "I use Windows because I'm a hopeless gamer, unlike the real men who use OS/2!" < 1290099984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BET YOU DIDN'T EXPECT THAT ENDING) < 1290100008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Emacs needs an eval-after-both-loaded. < 1290100013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? < 1290100015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck autoload. < 1290100018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm putting requires in my .emacs. < 1290100020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOH YEAAAAH < 1290100027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "real man". There is only one OS/2 user left :P < 1290100043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE EMACS POLICE ARE GONNA KILL ME FOR NOT USING AUTOLOAD < 1290100051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh are they? < 1290100067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1290100086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, autoload is only useful for stuff you only need sometimes afaik < 1290100104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Emacs-Lisp Paredit ElDoc) -- could editing code in the possibly the worst Lisp ever even possibly *be* more comfortable??? < 1290100110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have perfected mediocrity! < 1290100117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so if you will use that one every time, I fail to see why autoload would be useful < 1290100128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, you have appreciated my EmacsWM idea insufficiently. < 1290100137 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1290100140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hasn't it been done already? < 1290100146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but -- not Properly. < 1290100158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's just some elisp that uses emacs as the root window and talks to X11. < 1290100160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Big deal." < 1290100170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In *mine*, the various windows are actually *Emacs buffers*. < 1290100178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-x b to change a window. Tile at will with C-x 1, 2, 3, etc. < 1290100186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all that hoo-hah! < 1290100206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh okay. So it renders everything, rather than letting X11 do it? or? < 1290100217 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the embed thingy? < 1290100222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Embed thingy. < 1290100225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Failing that -- < 1290100231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just position the windows so that they appear inside the buffer area. < 1290100231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not write an X server in emacs? :D < 1290100232 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lols @ haiku os < 1290100244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (But that has the issue that you can't use Emacs commands inside the buffer.) < 1290100261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you with xembed? < 1290100262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Really the main issue here is that Emacs commands clash with just about everything else, so you have to figure out where to send each keypress. :) < 1290100277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The problem exists with XEmbed, too, but at least Emacs can *see* the keypresses like that. (I think.) < 1290100333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I hate to suggest it, but emacs/client modes. Could use ctrl-alt or such. Though that would clash with stuff that uses that for ungrabbing pointer < 1290100364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about the logo key? Nothing really uses that < 1290100370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, I hate to suggest it, but emacs/client modes. Could use ctrl-alt or such. Though that would clash with stuff that uses that for ungrabbing pointer < 1290100371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1290100383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean bind a specific key prefix to mean "give this to Emacs"? < 1290100385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it feels too much like vim with those two modes :P < 1290100388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1290100389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah. < 1290100400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The problem is that you'd want to use C-x b, C-x {1,2,3} all the time. < 1290100407 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I thought hit emacs attention key, then give key combo to emacs < 1290100411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And, well, "C-x" is a rather common keybinding, if you know what I mean. < 1290100413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit it again to go back < 1290100414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that might work, yes. < 1290100438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, logo key or menu key should be suitable for this. Though I have menu bound to compose and logo to super < 1290100446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Now what we really need is an OS whose interface is an Emacs-on-steroids to begin with, so that everything is already integrated and the interfaces are written to be in this kind of interface from the start... < 1290100449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh wait, that's called @. < 1290100465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, @ ? < 1290100489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: @ is pronounced the same as however the name of ElliottOS will be when it is released is pronounced. < 1290100498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as however whatever < 1290100514 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290100533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, s/when/if/ < 1290100562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is entirely possible that I refuse to rename [whatever I call the prototype versions of ElliottOS] to a final name because it will never be perfect. :P < 1290100566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I might refuse < 1290100755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Still, at least my ideas about the system are coming together... < 1290100971 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1290100996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, until you hear about something else. Then a complete overhaul will take place < 1290101016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it would be difficult for me to expand my horizons beyond what i already have :) < 1290101021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe gimme a journal subscription < 1290101032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, journal? what journal? < 1290101050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how could I possibly give you a subscription... < 1290101066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why would I?) < 1290101071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i dunno, wherever all this interesting stuff gets published. "computer systems" journals i guess. except only backissues, they probably have crap in them nowadays. also CS for the heck of it, why not, maybe there'll be something relevant in there. also computer graphics, there were a lot of UI papers published in them way back < 1290101089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just meant if one wants to expand my horizons further, one would have to give me a journal subscription to achieve this :P < 1290101114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so wait until you start studying at a university. Then use their access for it < 1290101138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like i'll have the time /then/ < 1290101153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1290101340 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290101370 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-243.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290101833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, see /msg. < 1290102704 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACM Digital Library, which equals quite an impressive pile of journals, is just $200/year. ($42/year for "students", but that's >= high school.) < 1290102753 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290102822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you had the patience to do things in batch mode, i could always dl you stuff. < 1290102836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you have to wait for me to be online) < 1290102866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dl me what? < 1290102869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :papers < 1290102873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh < 1290102879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i could always just google to find specific ones :P < 1290102882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i just meant like < 1290102890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have access to everything, but most CS stuff at least < 1290102893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a huge list of old papers in random obscure vaguely systems-related journals < 1290102899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and non-obscure, but still < 1290102909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, given a list, i can dl and send < 1290102911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACM Digital Library, which equals quite an impressive pile of journals, is just $200/year. ($42/year for "students", but that's >= high school.) < 1290102917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no prob < 1290102921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, because... I'm 13 or under and therefore not in high school. < 1290102931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thanks for your crushing clarification :P < 1290102935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok here's the list < 1290102936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: * stuff < 1290102950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (by a huge list i meant i wanted access to a huge list, not i wanted huge-list-in-papers-out) < 1290102967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290102981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's harder because i do have to dl things manually < 1290102985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :p < 1290103000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give you all the stuff i've read for instance, but i doubt that'll interest you much < 1290103089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's mostly cs tho < 1290103098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the common def < 1290103101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i thought you'd given up on cs crap < 1290103102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1290103127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. cs includes a lot of interesting math. the math i do is considered cs in most unis < 1290103146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well i have never paid attention to your ramblings so < 1290103151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you've studied :) < 1290103154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my interests are rather more mathematical than most people's in our group tho < 1290103160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1290103172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our group being the group at uni i mean < 1290103203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1290103307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ACM journals are pretty well browsable even without access -- you get abstracts and all that fluff. So you could just collect interesting things from there and then send that to the oklopol batch download service. < 1290103313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1290103331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was actually what i thought might happen, but didn't realize elliott might not even know that < 1290103340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1290103346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'm just lazy and stuff < 1290103370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally i wouldn't even have to care about the journals, I'd just have a huge html page with tens/hundreds of thousands of papers from 1960 to today < 1290103371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just grep it < 1290103373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz i'm lazy < 1290103373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the laziness is why i figured you might not actually ever read anything if you had to go through oklobatch < 1290103403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should give you access my university account < 1290103405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1290103414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be an excellent idea! i see no possible issues whatsoever. < 1290103418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1290103447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's your official status at uni < 1290103458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hobo" < 1290103463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has no official status < 1290103466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just turns up every day < 1290103469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eats some of the food without paying < 1290103471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses the computers < 1290103474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody has the heart to kick him out < 1290103483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he usually sleeps there too < 1290103493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm applying for tohtorikoulutettava tomorrow, they changed assistentti to that, but apparently i can still apply for it even though i'm just starting my master's < 1290103502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if these have the same meanings there but i assume so < 1290103503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tothorthortoajrothoaohrotirtioartjiorjvwuerto < 1290103518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you know what tohtori is < 1290103549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl fi tohtori < 1290103560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon HackEgo, i believe in you < 1290103561 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-130-57.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1290103561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go faster! < 1290103567 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctorate < 1290103574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yep i do < 1290103579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl fi tohtorikoulutettava < 1290103580 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hovercraft is full of eels. < 1290103590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol applied to have his hovercraft filled with eels < 1290103603 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had a hovercraft I would also apply! < 1290103668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't know, really; my payment receipts just read "Researcher", but that's just work-wise. < 1290103683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be "Research assistant" before graduating, though. < 1290103688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was that < 1290103690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just now < 1290103700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, am until january < 1290103724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assistentti has to do shit like supervise exams < 1290103777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :researchers are much cooler < 1290103782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can just chill around < 1290103801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i pay someone to convert the elisp in http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/blog/28.html to work with some less ugly scheme < 1290103801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx < 1290103904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Actually with our conversion to Wave University, they also mandated 56 (or so) hours per year of "teaching duties" also to all us non-teaching research personnel. < 1290103922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1290103937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1290103943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56 hours per year isn't a very huge amount tho < 1290103952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5% of the yearly 1600 hours. < 1290103953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat @ ais523\unfoog < 1290103999 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /dev/null NetHack tournament < 1290104003 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we take clan membership very seriously < 1290104011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every hour of every day, you'll be teaching for about 136 seconds < 1290104016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1290104027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: don't, that just reminds me of Worms, where you can get kicked out of a casual /online game < 1290104028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1290104033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: don't, that just reminds me of Worms, where you can get kicked out of a casual online game just because you're not in a clan < 1290104039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: (or even just because you don't put a clan in your nick) < 1290104047 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can't have different nicks in different channels < 1290104047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: is this in #nethack or elsewhere? i wanna watch (is it on NAO?) < 1290104054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I mean don't as in we take clan membership very seriously < 1290104062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: as in, don't say that :) < 1290104077 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking < 1290104085 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tournaments on the /dev/null servers < 1290104089 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tournament's < 1290104101 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have watching facilities themselves for various reasons, but several people are termcasting their games < 1290104135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: what are the various reasons? also, I was joking too < 1290104142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tunes in to termcast.org < 1290104144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION logs in to termcast.org < 1290104147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which sounds more retro < 1290104157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, clearly they're not termcasting on termcast.org < 1290104172 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are, although there might not be too many people playing right now, and not everyone termcasts < 1290104197 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MarvinTV is from the tournament, but I think it's recorded rather than live < 1290104207 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that, there don't seem to be many active games; normally there are 3 or 4 more than that < 1290104240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: have you played yet? i guess not if you just changed your nick < 1290104259 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, I have, I already have an ascension < 1290104265 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can send you recordings of it if you care < 1290104269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: what, in one day? < 1290104274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I have no idea how long the tournament lasts) < 1290104278 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lasts a month < 1290104284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1290104285 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it took me around 10 hours split over 3 days < 1290104290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well that's less impressive then :-P < 1290104293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, three days is pretty impressive < 1290104303 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much exactly median for wins tournament < 1290104308 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wins in the tournament < 1290104311 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my record is around 7 hours < 1290104315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: you have to remember that i'm terrible < 1290104325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be interested in a recording but I don't care greatly. < 1290104373 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's not too hard to get one < 1290104383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my brainreader has arrived, unfortunately i don't know where the post office it's in is < 1290104422 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's in finland < 1290104477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how blasé oklopol is about this :) < 1290104492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: get one = ascension? or recording? < 1290104495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: also, what kind of a name is "unfoog"? < 1290104506 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recording < 1290104514 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I'm not sure of it's etymology < 1290104527 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I met the unfoog people last year (when I was running my own clan that did pretty well), and was very impressed by them < 1290104576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: you are all completely crazy < 1290104637 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: find a naming system for my recordings that doesn't sort by day of the week < 1290104664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have nothing between indifferent about X and incredibly hyper about X, and brainreading is not today's thing. < 1290104670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's thing is headache < 1290104690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually sleeping removed that, so hopefully today will have multiple things < 1290104705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: gamenumber-YYYY-MM-DD-HH-MM? < 1290104708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: where gamenumber is sequential < 1290104713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, say, zero-padded to five digits < 1290104713 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: MULTIPLE THINGS? IN ONE DAY? < 1290104714 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there are lots of sensible ways to do it < 1290104715 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're crazy! < 1290104728 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my recording script that I set up in a hurry sets the filename to the literal output of date(1) < 1290104749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well, in this case "00341-2010-11-18-18-24.ttyrec" would be if you started playing your 341st right now < 1290104756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you might have played it previously, too) < 1290104758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it is a bit ugly < 1290104768 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's hard for the script to know which file belongs to which game < 1290104771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps 00341_2010-11-18_18-24.ttyrec < 1290104778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well, you only ever have one game at a time going on, right? < 1290104786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: so just have ~/nethack/game be a file with a number in < 1290104800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"n=$(cat ~/nethack/game); echo $((n+1) >~/nethack/game" < 1290104804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i'm a magician < 1290104809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does a nethack tournament work < 1290104826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was nethack the huge rogue, or was that adom < 1290104833 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unfortunately, that seems not to be the case < 1290104837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well both are roguelikes < 1290104842 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one game can be split across multiple recordings < 1290104843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but which one is huge < 1290104849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: what seems not to be the case? < 1290104853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: erm define huge < 1290104864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nethack doesn't have like hundreds of levels < 1290104865 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that I only had one game at a time < 1290104877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought one of them had about a million times more of everything < 1290104880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: well, if you don't, you're defying nethack(1)'s wishes :) < 1290104884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dunno < 1290104900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: presumably, a nethack tournament works by everyone playing nethack < 1290104905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whoever gets the most points wins or wahtever < 1290104906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whatever < 1290104925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so not multiplayer < 1290104932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290104944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be pretty neat huh < 1290104949 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but it *is* multiplayer since there are several players playing the game < 1290104950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to wait for everyone to move < 1290104953 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, seems I don't have the whole thing recorded < 1290104955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or just break the game completely < 1290104956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: good point! < 1290104965 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just since Medusa, for some reason < 1290104974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: noo < 1290104977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: oh well, i don't mind < 1290104982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff -> < 1290104982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how about using relativity < 1290104988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like anyone can move at any time < 1290104991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and it has all the effects < 1290105001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but the effects don't propagate to anyone else until they take like N turns < 1290105008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so if you log back on and somebody's spawned 1000 monsters in your room < 1290105011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have some turns to get out of the room < 1290105014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that becomes "your" world < 1290105015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290105019 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290105053 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290105159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: here's an implementation of cat in awk: "1" < 1290105175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even supports multiple files to concatenate! < 1290105178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least under gawk < 1290105907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"emacs23-common-non-dfsg" -- debian codeword for "Emacs manual" < 1290105981 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-dfsg means it doesn't comply with their freeness guidelines, doesn't it? < 1290105999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. In this case it is because the Emacs manual is under the GFDL. < 1290106004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And uses "invariant sections". < 1290106018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Specifically, you are not allowed to distribute the Emacs manual or any work based on it unless you include the GNU manifesto. < 1290106037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This is, of course, non-Free. (rms doesn't seem to care as he's blinded by ideology.) < 1290106289 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1290106296 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Peping guy is following me around channels < 1290106462 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cheater99: you're on #esolang too :) I remember you < 1290106463 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : kuku: yum search rename.ul < 1290106463 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Peping (~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net) has left ##linux < 1290106466 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a creep < 1290106475 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1290107033 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290107065 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-243.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290107915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you ever get an offline HTML 5 validator running? < 1290107925 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1290107949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Darn, I want to integrate it with flymake-mode :P < 1290107969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat bin/quickvalidate < 1290107969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash < 1290107969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [ ! "$1" ] ; then exit ; fi < 1290107969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl -F uploaded_file=@"$1" -F output=soap12 http://validator.w3.org/check 2> /dev/null | grep m:validity < 1290107986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why that instead of validator.nu? :P < 1290107994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Also, lawl @ soap) < 1290108001 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because validator.nu sucks face. < 1290108007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...elaborate? < 1290108021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, I couldn't find an interface that returned something slightly more greppable than arbitrary HTML :P < 1290108069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In this case I need line and column numbers so's that flymake can ANGRY COLOUR all the bits I got wrong :P < 1290108189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Here's some relevant WTF of the day: http://rebuildingtheweb.com/en/irresponsible-to-advocate-html5/ < 1290108206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "It's irresponsible to advocate HTML 5 because HTML Tidy breaks pages that use new features of HTML 5." < 1290108209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not kidding. < 1290108218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1290108230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: haha, wow, grep /HTML5/ http://rebuildingtheweb.com/en/ < 1290108234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This guy REALLY hates HTML 5 :P < 1290108239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Will HTML5 make the Web even more invalid?" < 1290108245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why is the HTML specification a failure?" < 1290108263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Will HTML5 rape my wife? My kids? My husband? 'cuz it's rapin' everybody out here." < 1290108278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So it's not existing authoring tools that must support HTML5 (which is impossible), it's HTML5 that must support existing authoring tools!" < 1290108279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in bold) < 1290108293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when XHTML 1.0 came out, and every authoring tool worked withi t. < 1290108294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with it. < 1290108309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz they were so careful not to introduce backwards-incompatible changes like /> for self-closing elements. < 1290108408 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How's your kitten? < 1290108420 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh: man wget | grep -A 17 '^\s*\-\-random-wait' < 1290108436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Progressing well, actually, you NAYSAYER (okay, so you might not actually be a naysayer). < 1290108446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a nothingsayer. < 1290108449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm working on the service manager, and got a dietlibc/pcc toolchain. < 1290108460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fully bootstrapped, that is: dietlibc built by pcc, pcc built by pcc and linked with dietlibc. < 1290108476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And I only had to patch both dietlibc and pcc to do it! :P < 1290108490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although to be fair, the pcc one was a bug. (expecting malloc(0) to point to something) < 1290108491 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I legitimately would like to see a (almost-)no-GNU-Linux, but that doesn't mean I'd use it :P < 1290108522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The "woop, give me X11 and some stuff" installation will probably include GNU Emacs :P < 1290108535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER because who wants that anyway, just use the base install. < 1290108537 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine fine, but I just mean in the basic functional core. < 1290108539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is, like, useless. < 1290108555 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically coreutils and below should be Free-free. < 1290108555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, I don't know how to avoid GNU binutils. < 1290108569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well coreutils and below doesn't include development. < 1290108573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, *GNU-free. < 1290108582 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called a joke :P < 1290108582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BSD-licensed software is Free too, and I'm not avoiding the GPL :P < 1290108586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SHADDAP < 1290108602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well... lessee: Linux, dietlibc, busybox. < 1290108611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Assuming busybox links with dietlibc... tada, coreutils and below free of free. < 1290108615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hell, busybox even includes dpkg! < 1290108616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rpm! < 1290108618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wget! < 1290108619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And init! < 1290108624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HOLY FUCK IT'S SO BLOATED. < 1290108702 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drums his fingers trying to think of a binutils replacement. < 1290108709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bizarre thing to be irreplaceable. < 1290108713 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than gasm < 1290108718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I could use Drepper's unreleased elf-utils!!1111 (no) < 1290108750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think you have made an error there... either you missed a full stop... or gasm is actually called "gas". < 1290108761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Damn you for making me take that long to figure out a sentence with "or gasm" in it X-P) < 1290108766 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's "gas", but that joke isn't as funny as "gasm" :P < 1290108776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I say, I say, that's a joke, son. < 1290108784 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR MOM < 1290108799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well let's see, the only parts of binutils we REAAAAAAAAALLY need are as, ld and ar. < 1290108807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else... like say nm and strip... are just niceties. < 1290108827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm sure there's gotta be a non-GNU ld. (Does gold count? It's part of binutils but was written at Google :P) < 1290108832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ar isn't difficult. < 1290108842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as there are others, but none that support the retarded AT&T syntax. < 1290108936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, ar and ld should be easily-replaceable, and AT&T syntax rawx my sawx, and GCC supports Intel syntax as a backend so lawl, and maybe there's an at&t->intel converter that doesn't suck?, and blarf. < 1290109010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT&T: Advanced Tungeons & Tragons. < 1290109020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 fizzie < 1290109027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please tell me that rawx my sawx is sarcastic :P < 1290109119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a lot of stuff wants strip < 1290109133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's my implementation of strip: < 1290109134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1290109159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/true < 1290109166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The optimized strip." < 1290109182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but don't you love stripping debug symbols to separate symbol files? < 1290109200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, here's my new strip: < 1290109205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void) < 1290109205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1290109207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return 0; < 1290109207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1290109209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPER OPTIMISED < 1290109216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile with -O3. < 1290109223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, not the tiny-elf true?-) < 1290109228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Touche :P < 1290109231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even better: < 1290109240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh all the multiple major modes things in Emacs are PAIN to use. < 1290109253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln -s /bin/true strip < 1290109271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that way the kernel will know they are the same and won't need to cache the same code twice < 1290109273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1290109277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, do you have any idea how slow following symlinks is??? < 1290109282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ln /bin/true strip < 1290109287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay hardlink it then < 1290109314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only works on same partition though < 1290109317 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why did your system break when I put my /usr on a separate partition?" "Oh, our /usr/bin/strip is a hardlink to /bin." < 1290109339 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no one sane would use same partition for those < 1290109348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have a tiny disk < 1290109355 0 :erclliott!~user@91.105.107.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290109362 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm going to be an Emacs weenie, I have to use ERC, right? < 1290109371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, erc is not the only one < 1290109376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, there is rice too < 1290109380 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the popular one! < 1290109381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly some more < 1290109387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, rice is pretty popular too < 1290109402 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there a [C-x o] that goes in the "other direction"? < 1290109419 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently rocking .emacs, #esoteric and *shell* at once and typing C-x o twice sucks :P < 1290109422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I'm switching away from erc. I'm working on my own irc client currently < 1290109431 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1290109434 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in elisp? < 1290109436 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun with that < 1290109438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, reason is that I dislike elisp < 1290109442 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1290109448 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language then? What UI? < 1290109453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm erczzie now. < 1290109461 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *fizzierc < 1290109468 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced "fizzyerk". < 1290109479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, currently I'm in design phase. And language will be erlang or haskell. Probably erlang since network stuff seems easier than in haskell < 1290109493 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "fizzi-jerk." < 1290109496 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Networking is easy in Haskell... it has sockets. < 1290109507 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, you should just use *my* client instead; it's perfect and all. < 1290109517 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, true. But compared to the nice abstraction erlang uses I meant < 1290109520 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW, you can write a non-elisp program and still have an elisp interface pretty easily. < 1290109524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, as for UI: not sure yet < 1290109543 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Read s-expressions on stdin, print out s-expressions on stdout; don't need to be complicated. Then just write the UI in elisp, which is less painful than writing the whole client like that. < 1290109546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, possibly gtk. Possibly tk. Possibly ncurses. < 1290109562 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you use Tk, you'll have a hard time doing it in C. < 1290109566 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably have to write the GUI in Tcl. < 1290109570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, why would I use C? < 1290109576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, erlang have Tk bindings < 1290109576 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well. < 1290109578 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: True. < 1290109582 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does it have Tile bindings? < 1290109586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1290109587 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tk still looks like Motif unless you use Tile. < 1290109592 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Tile is quite recent. < 1290109597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, I like the motif look :P < 1290109605 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No you don't. I refuse to let you create a program that looks like that. < 1290109608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1290109610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erclliott, I don't really like the wxwidgets bindings of erlang. They look complicated. < 1290109612 0 :erclliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1290109615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1290109615 0 :elliott!~user@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1290109621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like ERC. < 1290109623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1290109628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290109633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ERC Version 5.3 - an IRC client for emacs (http://emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ERC (mailing list: erc-discuss@gnu.org))" -- wow, that's a noisy CTCP version reply. < 1290109637 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1290109644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it? < 1290109647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it leaves its vomited buffers everywhere, too. < 1290109653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, your is noisier! < 1290109657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is 3 lines < 1290109675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it's three different clients. I just closed the ERC one. < 1290109679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone edited HTML with embedded CSS in Emacs? < 1290109681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm-mode sucks. < 1290109682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But compared to those other three, it was the huge. < 1290109686 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My VERSION reply is far more noisy. < 1290109688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *two clients and a bouncer < 1290109701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Only 2 gigs of RAM for Windows 8? < 1290109701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah < 1290109703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1290109705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's rather tightly packed. < 1290109708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'd upgrade. < 1290109713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want to be such a PEDERANT about it. < 1290109714 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahaha, "You are being CTCP flooded from Vorpal, ignoring *!*@unaffiliated/anmaster" < 1290109718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D wat < 1290109730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you got one ctcp from me < 1290109733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you fail < 1290109738 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You mean my client fails :P < 1290109745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed < 1290109747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah IRC# 2011 has a lot of bugs. < 1290109751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try the 2012 prerelease. < 1290109752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that bip client? < 1290109755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's teh sw33t. < 1290109756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A bouncer. < 1290109759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290109769 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION logs in on his phone to get another version in there :P < 1290109773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, my xchat doesn't put that uname thing in, it seems; it just says "xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu". < 1290109776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does it compare to znc feature-wise? < 1290109790 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wait a minute, how can you have more than one client? < 1290109792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't use it; how should I know? It's an irssi addon thing, I think. < 1290109794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: bouncer < 1290109802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1290109805 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, bip is not an irssi add-on. < 1290109814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, indeed. http://bip.milkypond.org/ < 1290109920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reasonably featureful; though doing the multi-network thing by just listening to one port and then differentiating based on the password (in a "user:pass:netname" format) is a bit on the strange side, and confuses irssi a bit. (It doesn't/didn't like to connect to identical server:port multiple times.) < 1290109925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, annoying page. Get invalid security cert notification all the time... < 1290109941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ditto. < 1290109994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that user/pass/netname is common. znc uses user/pass then one user per network. Personally I would make it pass/netname :P < 1290110046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually my idea for irc client is somewhere in between a bouncer+client and a two-part irc client < 1290110068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290110081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes; I too have had such stupid ideas. < 1290110081 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm trying to remember how long ago I added that Microsoft IRC# line to my VERSION :P < 1290110087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stupid? < 1290110095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why do you say that < 1290110106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Instant incompatibility with any client other than my own? Of course applying hubris makes these worries disappear :) < 1290110117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, good point < 1290110119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* Why does Emacs fail at Luxi Mono so much? < 1290110142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did get a wonderful half-way solution. < 1290110176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I modified the OS X client LimeChat so that the messages that come in from my bouncer looked "normal"; I parsed the times off the end and made the client think they came in at that time, and also prettified the "starting/ending playback" messages so they looked like client messages. < 1290110180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but then I intend to run both on same computer and just make use of this (if I go with gtk gui or such) to not have to restart the thing if I restart X < 1290110183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That was nice; just looked like extra scrollback and copied properly too. < 1290110195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290110204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, those are nice features of this system indeed < 1290110213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You could base your client on ii (http://tools.suckless.org/ii/). < 1290110215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still somewhat messy to do < 1290110225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That way you could just write a GUI on top of some simple filesystem manipulations. < 1290110225 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh you know, I don't think I want that style of client :P < 1290110228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That way you could just write a GUI on top of some simple filesystem manipulations. < 1290110238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm just saying that it's easier than implementing the protocol from scratch. < 1290110240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm also from what I remember it doesn't support advanced irc networks very well < 1290110246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Advanced"? < 1290110256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, multi-target msg? < 1290110265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you even do that x_x < 1290110275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1290110297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why would anyone ever want multicast... < 1290110311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not even remotely the same thing as multicast. < 1290110334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is. multicast over irc. Though done through the spanning tree point-to-point connections < 1290110347 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1290110352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you're messaging less than 10 channels, it doesn't really matter, and you can implement it at UI-level. < 1290110358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you're messaging more than 10 channels, stop spamming everyone < 1290110382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mostly private /msg. And to inform a group of people about things. < 1290110401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I don't remember it supporting getting server log notices in a nice way < 1290110410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fine, write your own client :P < 1290110417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I will implement protocol from scratch. It is a trivial protocol anyway < 1290110421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just expose a filesystem interface the same; suddenly scripting is a lot less painful and can be done from any language. < 1290110425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, any language that has file access. < 1290110442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably I will do that < 1290110454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And if it's based on FUSE I will kill you :P < 1290110461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anything wrong with fuse? < 1290110471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would probably just create fifos and open them < 1290110480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuse is more work < 1290110493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Precisely :P < 1290110495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would probably be annoying in erlang < 1290110503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Although surely the channel log should be a regular file, rather than a FIFO. < 1290110532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while fifos would be like a native C function to wrap mkfifo (unless it has it in the file module already, I don't think it does, but not sure) < 1290110543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the bouncer part of the client will handle logging :P < 1290110574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm pretty sure I will do a two-part client but with a protocol very similar to the standard one < 1290110585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some markers for log playback and such < 1290110600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will do nothing in other clients < 1290110607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to how I would implement it) < 1290110679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just write a bouncer :P < 1290110688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually, wait. < 1290110694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The bouncer part should handle the FS stuff too, duh. < 1290110701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well obviously < 1290110712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And by "channel log" I just meant "file with the scrollback in" :P < 1290110719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As s-expressions???? :P) < 1290110729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1290110733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not S-Expressions < 1290110740 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot file format already and tools to parse it < 1290110747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will thus use the same < 1290110764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Good thing it's worse than my client, then. < 1290110772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1290110790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well it will be custom made for me. I doubt you would like it < 1290110995 0 :Ugo!~user@178.216.72.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290111615 0 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290111640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1290111651 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1290112406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any zany fvwm users here? < 1290112480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why zany? < 1290112499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Have you *seen* how flexible fvwm is? Have you *seen* how 90s every fvwm configuration ever is? :) < 1290112575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I haven't checked the configs :P < 1290112585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I remember seeing screenshots looking like 90s < 1290112607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott; switched to wired as wireless wasn't working < 1290112613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1290112623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott\funoog < 1290112659 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1290112702 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wow @ Phantom_Hoover's shelter < 1290112715 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://ompldr.org/vNjgwbA, through the door on the right: http://ompldr.org/vNjgwbw < 1290112721 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the last one is the impressive one, but it makes no sense without the former < 1290112754 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it a shelter from? < 1290112756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\funoog, I have long stairs like that too? < 1290112767 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: file under "Minecraft; ignore" < 1290112777 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\funoog, just had no clue you would be impressed by them < 1290112778 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently that isn't the whole thing. < 1290112782 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least according to Phantom_Hoover :P < 1290112810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\funoog, well I have straight stairs from bedrock to sea level in one place < 1290112811 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\funoog: ah, I'd assumed real life < 1290112838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\funoog, or actually: just below sea level. then some ladders to keep the water out :D < 1290112839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's at 60 blocks down right now; getting to the bedrock will be trivial < 1290112843 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: what use does anyone have for real life? < 1290112856 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do one from the absolute top of the map to bedrock < 1290112858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it anything interesting on your way down? < 1290112874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\funoog, too much work. Better to do a boatlevator then :P < 1290112882 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, just mud, rock and the occasional coal and iron ore seam. < 1290112882 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\funoog, I generally do that for vertical transport nowdays < 1290112898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nice. Lucky you didn't hit a lava lake then < 1290112911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am indeed. < 1290112935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, expand horizontally outwards around, say, 17-20 tiles up if you want to run a chance/risk of hitting caverns < 1290112938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the Law Of Dramatic Irony dictates that the last step will hit a lava lake. < 1290112960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, lava maybe. Lava lake would be at 8-16 iirc < 1290112973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, this shelter is near the spawn point, and fairly easy to spot. < 1290113009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and I hope you stored away most of your inventory in those chests < 1290113023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one chest there, actually. < 1290113026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, for extra self sufficiency farm wheat and trees indoors < 1290113031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1290113036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, early game then < 1290113061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started my first single-player staircase mine with a staircase 8 blocks wide, and 5 blocks high: that's 40 blocks of stone to remove for each step down. < 1290113066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, after a while you will have a room full of double chests. With signs like "dirt" "cobblestone" and so on < 1290113078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1290113083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only goes down a 20 blocks or so, though, since I hit a cavern structure at that point. < 1290113087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I generally do 2 wide and 3 high < 1290113099 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 4 high < 1290113101 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why any height? < 1290113108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on if I plan to add stairs < 1290113115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I have to have it at 4 high for the stairs. < 1290113138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like I keep banging my head to the roof if it's less than 5 and going down. < 1290113155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm that must have taken quite a bit of rock. for those stairs < 1290113174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed. And it actually slows you down. I timed < 1290113181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a tonne from the shaft itself. < 1290113183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, because you do hit the remote side < 1290113191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps enough < 1290113192 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stairs are cheap, it's 6 blocks of stone to four stair-blocks. < 1290113198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1290113204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I maxed the stair count, then went backwards lining the shaft. < 1290113212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, steps are 3->3 right? < 1290113219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1290113227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so technically they are cheaper < 1290113233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1290113234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290113240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, going for the bedrock. < 1290113267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The to-bedrock staircase I have in the multiplayer game is 3 wide and 6 high; that's 18 blocks per single level of descent. < 1290113317 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of pickaxes do you guys have that that isn't hideously tedious? :P < 1290113348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree10.png < 1290113353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use stone, by and large. < 1290113366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used two irons, but I am innately stingy with resources. < 1290113386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use stone too, except that in multiplayer I use diamond, since they don't have durability tracking. < 1290113416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only take up the iron pick when there's gold/diamonds/redstone to pick up. < 1290113434 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they significantly less tedious to use than the wood ones? < 1290113437 0 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290113481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you need at least stone to get iron or anything out, don't you? < 1290113508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries cartograph < 1290113526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, it's not like there's actually any reason not to use stone, it's not like you're going to run out of it. < 1290113533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree11.png < 1290113538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of stone there. < 1290113540 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Note that I've never actually come into possession of stone as far as I know. < 1290113543 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1290113545 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That* kind of stone. < 1290113545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What kind of pickaxes do you guys have that that isn't hideously tedious? :P <-- stone, iron and diamond are the ones I use < 1290113549 0 :elliott\funoog!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1290113550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what I'm cutting through < 1290113553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cobblestone makes pickaxen. < 1290113571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I never see much cobblestone. < 1290113585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stone turns into cobblestone when you axe it. < 1290113586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you get cobblestone from picking stone < 1290113593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is a L shape on the Cobblestone's default skin that always point at the north as illustrated there. It's very useful to find your way especially in The Nether, where Compasses don't work." < 1290113595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axe it or pickaxe it? < 1290113600 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, pickaxe. < 1290113603 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pickaxe < 1290113607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with the wooden one. < 1290113610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1290113616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Otherwise it'd be pretty hard to get started.) < 1290113624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get stone back by smelting cobblestone, not that that makes much sense < 1290113639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've smelted quite a lot of stone, since I built that house out of it. < 1290113650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, elliott: http://sprunge.us/dQfW < 1290113654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my first game < 1290113668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [...] I'm just widening the shaft to be 4x2 or so. < 1290113676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... < 1290113677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apologise for nothing. < 1290113681 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :261| [...] I'm just widening the shaft to be 4x2 or so. < 1290113699 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that isn't particularly funny or interesting < 1290113711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: therefore, it fits perfectly in with the rest of HackEgo's quote database < 1290113718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............ < 1290113724 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you were claiming to me a while ago that it was mostly funny/interesting < 1290113731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: I was lying through my teeth < 1290113762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113762 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :126| Ah, vulva. What is that, anyway? < 1290113770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113773 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :113| if you watch jaws backwards it's a movie about a giant shark that throws up so many people they have to open a beach < 1290113773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113776 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :72| ignore me, i'm full of bullshit < 1290113779 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :76| I had an idea for an AskReddit, but I forgot < 1290113780 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :207| pikhq: it was fragrant with the scent of abomination. hear a speech declaring a holy war, is the man insane? some idiot missionary gets himself killed, some man writes some gibberish about the shape of a dragon, wonse?" < 1290113790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[it was fragrant with the scent of abomination. hear a speech declaring a holy war, is the man insane? some idiot missionary gets himself killed, some man writes some gibberish about the shape of a dragon, wonse?]] < 1290113792 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :224| It's like mathematicians, where the next step up from "trivial" is "open research question". "Nope... No...This problem can't be done AT ALL. This one--maybe, but only with two yaks and a sherpa. ..." < 1290113794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that isn't literal. < 1290113795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is awesome. < 1290113801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113802 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77| no Deewiant No?! I've been living a lie yep. Excuse me while I jump out of the window -> < 1290113807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113808 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :91| actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge < 1290113813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113814 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :75|* ehird disables javascript < 1290113819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they" < 1290113823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113824 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :96| im the worst person in the world < 1290113825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1290113827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that alive dog food < 1290113836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113838 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :185| oerjan, can you ever get any number higher than 3 at the start of "ordinary" [look-and-say sequences]? it's not clear from the RFCs < 1290113840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't even know which style it's from. < 1290113844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113845 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :225| alise, it works fine for irc but interactive stuff? no. < 1290113849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113850 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :112| Warrigal is the Harlem Globe Frotter < 1290113851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Easy way to find out!!* < 1290113852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tedious < 1290113858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113859 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :138| so a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.com might be self-relative, but a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com always means a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com.? < 1290113860 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1290113865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113867 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :83| yay fire! * Madelon combusts spontaneously. < 1290113867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113869 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :51|* Dylan devides by Zorro < 1290113870 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :114| I used to have salt licks for my horses. They would make cool abstract sculptures with them. < 1290113871 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :125|Note that quote number 124 is not actually true. < 1290113872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could grep the token files for rare words. < 1290113873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please stop spamming < 1290113876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113877 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. < 1290113878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cut it < 1290113879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1290113882 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is annoying < 1290113885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: please stop spamming < 1290113886 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :49| is there a problem with it being carbonized :D yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal" < 1290113887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113891 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :188| CakeProphet: reading herbert might be enlightening in one hand he held a long worm can be greased. twice i got it nearly there, and the protector of cattle. mars is also mentioned as a rainbow. as a seated baboon sometimes with its head. < 1290113891 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123|[Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( < 1290113892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113894 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :121| My mascot is a tree of broccoli. < 1290113895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, !!! < 1290113897 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently abomination exists in {discworld,europarl,irc,jargon,lovecraft,speeches,ss,youtube}, though. < 1290113898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1290113899 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :174| [...] i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine < 1290113905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit oh shit < 1290113906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Law students are great fans of bread machines. < 1290113908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he called Gregor < 1290113912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Gregor will like < 1290113914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anally violate us now < 1290113918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the anus < 1290113927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i was thinking < 1290113928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *can* use /msg to it < 1290113932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check the quotes < 1290113936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then other's can't see it < 1290113950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've have to paste everything here anyway < 1290113959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "wonse" is in ct and discworld, and it doesn't sound like literal either, definitely not ct. < 1290113962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i'd < 1290114034 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290114371 0 :Hiant!~Person@pool-71-255-192-189.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290115531 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1290116082 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1290116169 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] < 1290116202 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, another filler episode < 1290116207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, of what? < 1290116213 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1290116230 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same shit as last time :) naruto shippuuden < 1290116256 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1290116289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1290116294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my .emacs is exactly 100 lines < 1290116294 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/minecraft/world1.png http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/minecraft/world2.png < 1290116294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1290116308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nice < 1290116311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which one is your main world? < 1290116315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, world 1 i guess < 1290116328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, both. I have the largest boatlevator in world2 < 1290116342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, world2 I play on easy rather than peaceful < 1290116343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :belevator < 1290116360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also it is all post-halloween mapgen < 1290116365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: meanwhile, in my exasperation at being unable to find ANY DAMN COAL AT ALL, I dug a 2x2 square into a cave and then repeated. < 1290116367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes for a less jarring map < 1290116373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I then boarded up the end I came in when it started getting dark. < 1290116380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure if it is night or day. :P < 1290116384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1290116391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The torch-based route-marking makes for nice maps, that's for sure. < 1290116409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and easy to find your paths too < 1290116437 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like the reappearing-block bug fixed for multiplayer, could get back to that at some point then. < 1290116441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the extremely straight lines of torches in map 1 is for surveying < 1290116461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, to be specific surveying path for minecart transit system < 1290116467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what bug? < 1290116479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what does it do < 1290116500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplayer game blocks tend to reappear after mining, often takes at least two attempts to finally actually get rid of a block. < 1290116519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you get dropped stuff every time? < 1290116529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how deep is this tunnel??? < 1290116534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THERE ANOTHER SIDE < 1290116540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which one? for mine carts? < 1290116544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no mine < 1290116545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my game < 1290116561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how would I know how deep stuff is in *your* game? < 1290116561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I couldn't really tell; probably not. < 1290116584 0 :TLUL_!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1290116584 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1290116587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: telepathy < 1290116595 0 :TLUL_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1290116626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, this looks like the end < 1290116627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stone is gone < 1290116629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it's daytime < 1290116634 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290116661 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1290116671 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not go back the way you came? < 1290116675 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then: no issue < 1290116677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it! < 1290116681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1290116684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't get why that's no issue < 1290116688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've dug all the way through < 1290116703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also get a lock. (1 redstone, 4 gold ingots) < 1290116705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1290116707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clock* < 1290116709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lock < 1290116714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clock is useful < 1290116729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, SO not at that stage yet :P < 1290116731 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use a timer, set it to 10 minutes when you see the sun set < 1290116754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, this was driven by there being NO COAL AT ALL outside. < 1290116759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got exactly one piece of coal before entering. < 1290116766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have 13, which is fewer than I'd like. < 1290116794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290116802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have... uh... which chest? :D < 1290116804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to have misplaced the entrance to my holyfuck tunnel :P < 1290116809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 in my inventory < 1290116813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 coal already makes for 52 torches; that's not too shabby. < 1290116816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS IT JESUS < 1290116830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some 500+ in various chests < 1290116833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in different bases < 1290116845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only I can dig all night and then forget where the tunnel is :P < 1290116863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single-player box here has 219 pieces of coal too, but it's not like I could send that anywhere. < 1290116864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is why you use torches to mark your path < 1290116875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did... < 1290116880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've moved maybe 10 blocks away. < 1290116881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't find it. < 1290116884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch has tweeted that multiplayer will have portals that send people to different ip:ports. < 1290116906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can any of those mapping things show me torches underground? < 1290116918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 in a straight line on a wall next to an opening = to exit (used in caverns when you have ambiguous branches or a quite well hidden passage) < 1290116988 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 in a straight line on the floor across your path "dead end/exit is VERY well hidden to one of the sides around here, look for 3 torches on some wall" < 1290117019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 in a pentagram: about to summon Cthulhu real soon. < 1290117031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this breaks down sometimes. Mostly when you find out that cavern 1, cavern 2 are connected < 1290117039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I use real signs < 1290117057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the torch system saves wood < 1290117064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also it lights up your path < 1290117072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it stacks in inventory < 1290117082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't (light up permanently) for long, though. < 1290117093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, old torches will be converted < 1290117097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I remember < 1290117101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was said. < 1290117104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to lanterns < 1290117119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a good idea to build 512 or so torches before updating. :p < 1290117127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1290117133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and if the lightstone speculations are accurate: I have tons of it by now < 1290117150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's pretty easy to find in Nether. < 1290117150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also what about the jack-o-lantern < 1290117161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a bit hard to reach though. < 1290117172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw I have a nether panorama mostly done < 1290117186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can't see all the remote walls on far in that cavern < 1290117202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you probably saw from the screenshot file names, I call that underground tree "subtree"; can't help smiling whenever I think of it. I put a "<-- TO THE SUBTREE" sign at the bottom of that from-max-altitude-to-bedrock shaft, since there's multiple exits at the bottom. < 1290117228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? < 1290117235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you did that just now or? < 1290117264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, few hours ago while looking at something else, but still. < 1290117272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also that server you play on. Private you said. What group is invited there? < 1290117278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "apropos signs". < 1290117283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! I've dug myself my first real home. < 1290117312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to ask ineiros about that, it's his box. Not that I think he follows this channel especially well. < 1290117313 0 :Ugo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ugo < 1290117324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not really anyone there ever, so it's not very "multiplayer" like that. < 1290117333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think a submarine site would be a highly attractive location for fort allotments < 1290117350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if on the floor of the ocean, monsters wouldn't be much of an issue < 1290117359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless notch add marine enemies < 1290117366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why put doors on the outside again? < 1290117368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than the "inside". < 1290117396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I just wondered who were the target group < 1290117402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, .fi? < 1290117411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Vorpal wants in on your subtree fun. < 1290117415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'll let fizzie explain it < 1290117427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's in Finland, yes. < 1290117429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yo 'splainy. < 1290117436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would like to have a look at that map I have to admit. It looked quite cool. < 1290117452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not *on* the outside, *from* the outside :P < 1290117461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1290117466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you stomp the door in from the outside, it will get placed to the outer edge, and then you can stand safely behind it and hit enemies. < 1290117467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defer to fizzie < 1290117481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1290117483 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I don't follow this channel very actively. < 1290117486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to the other way around; having enemies hit you while you stand next to your door. < 1290117488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just don't hit your door too much < 1290117490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's too late now -- it's dark outside already. < 1290117499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll wait 'till morning to fix it. < 1290117501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg, an ineiros < 1290117509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why did you place it the wrong way? You knew the proper way < 1290117518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I forgot, and it was already getting dark at the time. < 1290117521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, I have TWO doors. < 1290117525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wanna know why? Makeshift window. < 1290117530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have the resources to do glass yet. < 1290117533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1290117560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unlikely I'll ever get a window, since I'm *nowhere* near a beach. < 1290117570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or a desert? < 1290117570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In the single player game, I have my main structure in the middle of the ocean; started with a 5x5 (well, 7x7 if you count the walls) rectangle, emptied out one level of water with a bucket, built one more level of walls, and so on to the bottom of the sea. < 1290117575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't think so. < 1290117578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway presumably you will expand your empire? < 1290117584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, but I'm not ready for that quite yet. < 1290117590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you seem to start new games all the time < 1290117596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm going to mine first, using the patented Phantom_Hoover "Door from house to mining shaft" method. < 1290117602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hey, this game I'm actually trying! :p < 1290117608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1290117610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Felt pretty silly, emptying the sea with a bucket.) < 1290117629 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sounds like a chore. I done that for some deep clay deposits... < 1290117637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when diving became impractical) < 1290117643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah quite a chore < 1290117657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, especially with the currents < 1290117682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would probably start by building from below. Placing reeds or ladders to get air pockets < 1290117690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they're a bit annoying. But at least you can "place" a bucketful of water into any "spring" block without having any sort of effect, so it's easy to empty up the bucket. < 1290117723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can't dump into the ocean? You need to be within "range" of the ground iirc < 1290117729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some other block behind the water < 1290117750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I had the walls there. It was always just the last water block on each level that I had to carry up. < 1290117766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1290117776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still having somewhere to stand tends to be a problem < 1290117797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, got a screenshot of that structure? If it isn't glass I will be sad ;P < 1290117805 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cobblestone. :p < 1290117813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. Still screenshot < 1290117817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but glass would have been cooler < 1290117819 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and having the tower there in the middle meant that when I removed the single-block cobblestone "pier" I had to get something to start building from -- something like 40 blocks long -- it didn't "fill up" properly, and then I had to fill it bucket by bucket from a 2x2 pond. < 1290117841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can cover it with glass and then remove the cobblestone at some point. But you're right. < 1290117878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't fill up if there is water blocks below it indeed. That is to avoid O(n) griefing with O(n²) cleanup < 1290117914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, presumably enemies are no issue out there in the ocean? < 1290117959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish people would stop using the word "griefing". < 1290117973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I just used the term they use on the wiki and so on < 1290117973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) We have a word for that, it's called "trolling". (2) If it's actually causing you grief, you have issues. < 1290117975 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290117981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, I know, I just find it irritating. < 1290117983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true it is trolling < 1290117998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but trolling that messes up your game world < 1290118010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure backups, but you can't have minute-by-minute backups < 1290118037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you're on a multiplayer server, the whole point is that it's kinda free-for-all IMO. < 1290118068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, some servers might have "do not destroy each other stuff intentionally just to troll" rules or such. < 1290118078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you don't see the point of that though < 1290118100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, sure, I do. < 1290118125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and then trolls/vandals who join can cause a lot of annoyance < 1290118128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like the EVE Online solution for this; "if you don't want shit to happen, build better defences; everything goes". :p < 1290118142 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290118144 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that is easy to get past in minecraft :P < 1290118144 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you need a pretty well-designed gameworld for that to work properly < 1290118156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is closer to vandalism than trolling in minecraft < 1290118168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: have you *seen* EVE Online? < 1290118177 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but I've heard about it < 1290118195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: It's completely real-world, it just happens to take Star Trek as canon. :) < 1290118203 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290118203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, the starting point of the shaft: http://zem.fi/~fis/thing1.png -- peek inside: http://zem.fi/~fis/thing2.png -- you can sort-of see it in this underwater shot: http://zem.fi/~fis/thing3.png -- and here's the overall structure: http://zem.fi/~fis/thing4.png < 1290118216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: (Other things it takes as canon: "Everyone has infinite CPU, GPU and memory") < 1290118217 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go home, anyway, I procrastinated far too long today and ended up working into the night < 1290118228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Stop taunting me with your glass and proximity to the beach. < 1290118236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm in the middle of things with no sand and thus no glass. < 1290118246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should make the underwater tube out of glass though, that's true. < 1290118259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any other way to get glass? < 1290118261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: bye, btw < 1290118271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, how come your shaft goes upwards? < 1290118272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, cya < 1290118272 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I'd forgotten already < 1290118279 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a sign I should /really/ go home < 1290118288 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION logs off before any further memory lapses befall him < 1290118291 0 :ais523\unfoog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1290118309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Upwards? < 1290118311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290118312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh nice < 1290118318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: See http://zem.fi/~fis/thing4.png. < 1290118319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it go to max alt? < 1290118321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that a chimney? :P < 1290118357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I see a portal inside. Nice < 1290118359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not quite yet. < 1290118364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" fizzie: Wait, how come your shaft goes upwards?" <<< is this an erection joke < 1290118366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's meant to be an observatory tower. < 1290118369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah. < 1290118370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no < 1290118385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well, I didn't explicitly avoid one; blame miners, not me. :P < 1290118385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it go above the clouds? < 1290118386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" elliott: It's meant to be an observatory tower." <<< how about this then? < 1290118388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I am a minor. < 1290118396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1290118405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor miner :D < 1290118413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was intentional right? < 1290118436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how far down does it go? to the bedrock? < 1290118503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it joins my general tunnel system, it doesn't go directly down more than maybe ten blocks under the seafloor. < 1290118519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, your tunnel system use minecarts I hope? < 1290118534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any issues with creepers btw? < 1290118543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've built some amount of tracks, but it's not completely covered. And it's still peaceful. :p < 1290118626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cows keep going for a swim near there, for some reason: http://zem.fi/~fis/thing5.png -- and the top of the tower is inside the cloud level: http://zem.fi/~fis/thing6.png -- and there's a two blocks wide step-staircase inside, fortunately steps are cheap: http://zem.fi/~fis/thing7.png < 1290118653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think peaceful is more fun than non-peaceful btw < 1290118661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having played one game of each < 1290118676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, many people disagree. I guess I'm just weird this way. < 1290118679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can focus on building awesome stuff < 1290118703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably going to have to play un-peaceful if our benevolent server admin goes that way when server-side health gets implemented. :p < 1290118714 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA. :P < 1290118732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, idea before an accident happens: water pool at the bottom of that shaft < 1290118746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that laugh was definitely evil < 1290118757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, who is your server open to btw? < 1290118762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, .fi only? < 1290118768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1290118801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably screenshotted all the interesting bits already. :p < 1290118811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm. Not quite the same as walking around it < 1290118825 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think I could reveal the address for more people. < 1290118832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, besides your screenshots are small. And weird aspect ratio < 1290118841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEWARE US < 1290118855 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, well if Finnish is the language spoken there I wouldn't be of much use (Since I'm from Sweden) < 1290118863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one speaks there. :p < 1290118870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? heh < 1290118875 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. And it's empty most of the time anyway. < 1290118879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been approximately thrice that I've happened to be there at the same time as ineiros. < 1290118888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't ever seen the guy who supposedly built the wooden house. < 1290118891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who's that, anyway?) < 1290118918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the house was generated there < 1290118931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wonder if it would be as slow as playing over the gbit lan here :P < 1290118939 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my screenshots are weird-shaped because I have that tiling window manager and for some reason tend to keep it only half-screen-sized. < 1290118993 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's a friend of mine from the ass of Finland (Turku). < 1290119024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, oh and if you see a random string joining starting with BC then it is me. My first choice wasn't available as user name so I used my random string script < 1290119030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is in turku < 1290119034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1290119057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use a regular-sized aspect ratio, the UI elements get scaled up to hugeness, whereas with the vertical-sorty thing they stay nice and small and don't block the view so much. < 1290119076 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dedicates this channel to the memory of a time when the channel wasn't dedicated to the memory of a time when the ... < 1290119098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess it scales based on width or something? Anyway, the scaling seems really weird; sometimes it doesn't want to fill the whole window. Might be an OpenJDK thing, of course.) < 1290119146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh, what is that thing next to the spawn point. It looks man made. And I didn't know you could place coal ore? < 1290119159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it's a lava-trap by ineiros. < 1290119179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (It's filled with crunchy caramel, I mean, lava, that will come open if you break it. If it's the thing I remember.) < 1290119179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290119204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he probably placed coal ore by /give'ing it to himself with the server-admin cheatery. < 1290119206 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Damn, you spoiled the surprise. :P < 1290119207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err, were does one go from there to see the great sights? < 1290119219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put some torches to mark the way. < 1290119223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should start pretty nearby. < 1290119224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290119236 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless someone's taken them out, of course. < 1290119267 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can teleport you directly to fizzie, if you wish. < 1290119267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it go over the sand? < 1290119276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, nah this is more fun < 1290119333 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In that case, I could teleport you to my location, which is on the bottom of a large pit quite quite far from the spawn point. :) < 1290119484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Come to think of it, I've never even seen your pit. (No, that's not a teleportation request.) < 1290119545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290119565 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@i-97.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1290119877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to use the ST monad to cheat and give a functional interface to a non-functional data structure? < 1290119928 0 :Hiant!~Person@pool-71-255-192-189.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290120116 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290120163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1290120184 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to get back to learning Scala < 1290120222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm so sorry that Haskell doesn't let you break the semantics of the language. < 1290120363 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I should learn Clojure < 1290120374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I hate you. < 1290120375 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, at least I'd be learning a Lisp, albeit a despised one < 1290120389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really much of a Lisp at all. < 1290120414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would also love to know what PH was going on about wrt Clojure designers not realizing that O(log_32 n) = O(ln n) < 1290120441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They simply didn't. < 1290120442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On IRC. < 1290120456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said that O(log_32 n) != O(log n) "when the algorithm is run on a computer". < 1290120460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And similar things. < 1290120463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Almost direct quote.) < 1290120469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not direct since I'm not gonna look at the logs.) < 1290120483 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"when the algorithm is run on a computer" is just... that just makes it more facepalmy < 1290120487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of them were designers of the language. < 1290120490 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1290120491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that statement was not by one of them. < 1290120498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But someone who was a developer did agree. < 1290120499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC. < 1290120504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH definitely said so. < 1290120508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Developer of Clojure, that is. < 1290120596 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't quite ... how does one represent one step of an algorithm taking 1ms vs taking 100 years... obviously not in O notation, but... < 1290120622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in big O notation. < 1290120644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say "this one takes ~1ms * items in the array" and the other one 100 years. < 1290120672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that they may not have realized that log_b x = log_c x / log_c b < 1290120681 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless I got that backwards myself) < 1290120729 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make it more of a logarithm comprehension fail than a big O notation comprehension fail < 1290120819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's worse. < 1290120838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anyway, they agreed that it was true "in theory", just not "in practice". < 1290120882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh? < 1290120905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: One of them said that in a "perfect mathematical universe" they would be equal. < 1290120920 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231049016.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1290120921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they just didn't know how to state their intuition that big-O notation doesn't give the whole story < 1290121037 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're assuming that by writing down O(log_32 n) instead of O(log n), the difference, while not stricly speaking existing, helps tell a story outside of O notation < 1290121045 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1290121082 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1290121187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Maybe they're fucking retarded. < 1290121332 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] < 1290121336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't figured out this mine shaft thing. < 1290121392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIT < 1290121395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fizzie: PINGGG < 1290121443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey this conversation is actually happening < 1290121450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been reading a log and feeling sad because i can't comment < 1290121455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i can so here goeas < 1290121456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*goes < 1290121475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'O(log_32 n) != O(log n) "when the algorithm is run on a computer".' :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDD < 1290121493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121501 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3thunder < 1290121502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1290121503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1290121506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1290121508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1290121510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1290121536 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still convinced that they mean that by writing it like that they mean to describe something outside of O notation < 1290121548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because you love defending idiots. < 1290121557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, surely they have no idea what O means < 1290121559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol!!!! BUY MINECRAFT < 1290121576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cya < 1290121579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal < 1290121580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal < 1290121580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal < 1290121592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wait never mind the crisis is over i forgot < 1290121598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but uh i still don't understand mind shafts < 1290121600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I have an amusing screenshot of fizzie commenting on his custom texture :P < 1290121604 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will upload it in a bit < 1290121622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can you explain the way of the shaft :| < 1290121627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have started digging stairs downwards < 1290121639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be honest, I don't quite look that rectangular in real life.) < 1290121648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR FIZZIE < 1290121659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, aww, don't spoil it < 1290121669 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-11-19 00:32:18 [INFO] Oh, yes, it does. The chat is pretty rudimentary. < 1290121672 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-11-19 00:32:23 [INFO] Right, I made it look a bit more like myself. < 1290121675 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-11-19 00:32:35 [INFO] In the "blond hair, mostly black-ish clothing" sense. < 1290121678 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOOPS. < 1290121686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: You're quite a spoiler. < 1290121701 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's all moldy. < 1290121717 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a notation where constants do make a differ... then you'd probably have to get all fiddly with units < 1290121728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no my internal model of fizzie doesn't have blond hair < 1290121729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now I have some coal. Now to get up to the top < 1290121729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop lying < 1290121741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is tricky to climb to say the least < 1290121743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: can I join the party and kill Vorpal^W^W^W < 1290121748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally scandinavian < 1290121748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1290121750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm like < 1290121755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mere MILES away from you guys < 1290121760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :across the sea < 1290121783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is in UK. And I have no idea what he would do < 1290121798 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just gave him the address. :) < 1290121809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm innocent! Usually. < 1290121818 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, hope you have backups < 1290121838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now I claimed the mountain south of the wood house. Just so you don't think that is free < 1290121846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, is there meant to be a huge transparent pa- nope it loaded, eventually. < 1290121846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a nice one over east < 1290121885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now where *are* those torches... < 1290121893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one. < 1290121904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What wooden house? < 1290121920 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody makes a mess, I can kick them out (and restore from backups); but I'd rather not. < 1290121925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the south one < 1290121931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, indeed < 1290121952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spawn-point to subtree route is very unclearly marked; I just stuck in some torches to help myself, not for general guidance. < 1290121952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wish I knew which way south was :) < 1290122091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is the map generated pre-halloweeen? < 1290122100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look biomeistic < 1290122108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, quite a way pre. < 1290122150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is getting cloth from sheep broken? < 1290122160 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is, yes. < 1290122195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though based on Notch's tweets, he has it sort-of working and it will be in next patch. < 1290122210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least killing animals on the server. < 1290122357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: So which is more interesting, wherever Vorpal is or that lovely pit? :-) < 1290122415 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably the former. The pit is quite deep and rather dull. And I don't know the direction it is in, because I walked there quite a long time. < 1290122417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm outside interesting area. Building a first small house < 1290122435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so just quite empty around me atm. Going to fetch stone < 1290122443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Still, closer than I am. :P < 1290122450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "fizzie's temporary hut" near my mountain home. :p < 1290122461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It has a sign saying that.) < 1290122479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I got Minecraft, would you all just run? < 1290122479 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290122509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, you don't know the server address. Yet! < 1290122534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd leave spreading it to the server admin < 1290122558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, but ineiros even let *me* in. < 1290122581 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mysterious are the ways of the server admin < 1290122582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, exactly, could a malicious player do? < 1290122592 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides make a huge flood < 1290122600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, cause all sorts of issues. flooding lava over stuff that burns < 1290122602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1290122614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, that lava trap is such a tease, with the coal. < 1290122690 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you opened it? < 1290122695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1290122698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1290122701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm so tempted to. < 1290122722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how did you know it was a trap then? < 1290122723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello there, what's this then. An opening with torches. < 1290122726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's mining I see. < 1290122726 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Feel free to. I can always build a better one. :) < 1290122729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was mentioned in here... :P < 1290122750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn :P < 1290122757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Oh, if you *insist*. < 1290122770 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even test if it works. < 1290122881 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL|afk < 1290122892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who wants to watch me do something really stupid should ask ineiros to teleport to me round about now. :P < 1290122992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't want to stand near you when it happens < 1290123003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do take a screenshot however < 1290123006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Unfortunately, the blocks of coal ore are indestructible. < 1290123023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have a pickaxe? < 1290123027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1290123028 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They shouldn't be. Do they disappear and then reappear? < 1290123032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Yes. < 1290123037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: I've tried mining them twice in a row. < 1290123050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then just hold a few seconds after they go away < 1290123051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :known bug < 1290123052 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That happens sometimes. It's some kind of a bug. Sometimes related to the connection. < 1290123057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do. < 1290123059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't help. < 1290123078 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1290123085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very odd... < 1290123106 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more "unable to mine things" multiplayer bugs than just the recent one. < 1290123116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: OK, and *now* I just placed a workbench to make a new pickaxe with since my old one ran out, and it *disappeared*! < 1290123121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand a refund. :p < 1290123125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't quite recall what fixed one. < 1290123155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff this, I'm going to fizzie's subtree emporium. < 1290123205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want, you can have a spare diamond pickaxe; there should be two in the chest that's on the right wall, further away from the door, at my house. < 1290123225 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you still "recharge" the items? < 1290123225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go and throw it at you but the N900 doesn't yet have a client. < 1290123236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Unfortunately I have no idea where your house is! Also, there's no more torches leading to the subtree. < 1290123242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean -- they cut off at one point. < 1290123247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More accurately: I can't find the next one. < 1290123261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should continut far enough that you can see the structures. < 1290123272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you swam across the ocean yet? < 1290123276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1290123279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, I see some structures. < 1290123284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does "ocean" mean "very short bit of water"? < 1290123287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1290123289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I placed a furnace and then it changed the direction it faced a few seconds later < 1290123291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1290123292 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1290123293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then yes. :p < 1290123295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that way then. < 1290123298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, I see some really tall thing. < 1290123303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess that's where I gotta go. < 1290123316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A workbench, too. < 1290123325 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290123327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd come and give you a tour but the N900 doesn't yet have a client. < 1290123328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1290123334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd go and throw it at you but the N900 doesn't yet have a client. < 1290123335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd come and give you a tour but the N900 doesn't yet have a client. < 1290123346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have saved your parents but then N900 doesn't yet have a client. < 1290123364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Yes, but server-side health is coming in the next patch, which will probably fix that too. < 1290123372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You never told me how hilariously inaccurate ladder-climbing is! < 1290123379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot I actually said that thing. < 1290123411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have this really terrible urge to break a little bit of glass above that really high drop thing above that thing. < 1290123413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I mean. < 1290123414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the small hut near the tall thing has the entrance to the mines; subtree is near the bottom of that staircase. < 1290123415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can fall through. < 1290123442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that's a bit impolite. (I had the same urge, though.) < 1290123452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought you knew about ladders < 1290123453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made it, so I can confess my sins to them? < 1290123466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^W^W^W^Wextort them into^W^W^Wconfess my sins < 1290123728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie? :P < 1290123737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't there when it was made. < 1290123742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1290123745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros? >_> < 1290123762 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Sgeo: There was no "debacle". Just people being more or less rigorous with their notation :P" < 1290123818 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it wrong to think of Haskell as a stepping-stone to Scala, rather than the other way around as I've seen recommended? < 1290123821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fall through where? < 1290123834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn pure FP first, then mix-and-match as appropriate for the situation < 1290123860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You clearly have no idea what it means to be "appropriate for the situation"... < 1290123863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That big glass thing. < 1290123878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does glass turn into glass when picked? < 1290123888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1290123891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it disappears < 1290123894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so don't < 1290123894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dammit < 1290123897 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What? The ladder? < 1290123907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Erm -- You know that really tall glass... chimney for a better word? < 1290123914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the huge glass wall with a huge glass spire on top. < 1290123932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, there, made a torch path up to where I am working and put up signs saying "this place is under development by vorpal < 1290123935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm still not entirely convinced that it's appropriate to implement a queue as a purely-functional data structure < 1290123935 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, how much did you break?-) < 1290123952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Nothing! I'm just trying to figure out who I ask for permission to break one little piece of glass so I can have a huge fall. :) < 1290123964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Chris Okasaki hates you. < 1290123988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Go buy Purely Functional Data Structures or something. < 1290123990 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, at least if you replace it later, I guess removing a piece won't hurt much. :) < 1290123998 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm aware that it's possible < 1290124023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It is also good. :P < 1290124033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: How long can I take a loan out for on a piece? :-P < 1290124042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... why? Unless there's a demonstration that purely-functional data structures can always be made as efficient as the non-functional equivalent < 1290124043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1290124075 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Until someone who cares notices that it's missing. ;) < 1290124085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see any holes in that thing. < 1290124617 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection