00:00:20 <elliott> Specifically you just need a language that doesn't let the process access anything you can't be sure it allocated :P
00:02:25 <elliott> pikhq? Gregor? Nobody? C'mon, you guys are smart! Invent!
00:03:00 <pikhq> elliott: Here, let me wave my magic wand.
00:03:15 <pikhq> Voila, Gregor is now devoted to making it happen.
00:03:45 <pikhq> (I can make no guarantees about which universe possesses said Gregor. But somewhere out there, a Gregor is making it happen.)
00:09:56 <elliott> Gregor: HOW WOULD ONE CREATE SUCH A LANGUAGE SIMPLY
00:10:32 <Gregor> I don't understand how your request was language-related :P
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00:11:52 <elliott> Gregor: OK. I would like to see an OS that has "system call inlining" -- that is, every program runs in ring 0 (so "kernel space" in a way), and when it calls a system call, the compiler has the ability to take the source of the system call from the kernel and inline it into the program, hardware access and all, because there is no CPU-provided protection.
00:12:02 <elliott> Gregor: This can be done safely by using a memory-safe language -- Python, Haskell, whatever.
00:12:16 <elliott> Gregor: My question is: How can one write a simple compiler for such a language that would be suitable in this case?
00:12:32 <elliott> (i.e., it doesn't allocate oodles of memory itself, implementing it is a job for two or three weekends, etc.)
00:12:53 <Gregor> Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
00:13:20 <elliott> Gregor: Turn that mmmm into IDEAS!
00:13:30 <Gregor> Do you want that to be done statically or dynamically? If it's static, it would be difficult (at best) to verify the correctness of a binary before loading it. If dynamically, loading is slow in the best case, and inlining is less useful.
00:13:56 <elliott> Gregor: You do realise that compilers like, say, GHC manage this perfectly well? :P
00:14:12 <elliott> The question is basically "what's the simplest memory-safe language you can compile easily and semi-efficiently?".
00:14:29 <Gregor> elliott: The loader can't verify the correctness of a compiled GHC binary.
00:14:36 <elliott> Gregor: It doesn't have to.
00:14:48 <elliott> Gregor: Assume, for the sake of discussion, that the government shoots anyone who uses another compiler on sight.
00:14:56 <elliott> So the asm code can be as dirty and perverted as it wants.
00:15:05 <Gregor> As well as a hex editor I suppose :P
00:15:15 <Gregor> elliott: Well, it's a much simpler problem in that case.
00:15:23 <elliott> Indeed! But still not EASY. :p
00:15:34 <Gregor> I'm still not doin' it ;P
00:15:43 <elliott> Gregor: You just have to tell me HOW, y'see :P
00:15:49 <elliott> Gregor: (In actual fact, the OS just doesn't let you run raw machine code, everything goes through the compiler. But let's go with the shot on sight thing.)
00:18:11 <Gregor> Doesn't seem that complicated, you just need any ol' compiler, with some notion of code provenance to allow some code to use special instructions or just raw ASM, and the ability to be integrated into your "kernel"
00:18:29 <Gregor> Err: It's an enormous TASK, but it's not COMPLICATED, just tedius :P
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00:20:36 <Gregor> I don't like using "ou" because it makes me feel British, but "tedios" doesn't read right.
00:22:56 <elliott> Gregor: Being British isn't all that bad once you get past the sodomy.
00:24:05 <oerjan> Gregor: i find that a very dubius policy
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00:30:02 <elliott> TODO: X11! Gunfights! Duel at dawn! Write a goddamn OS! YEAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
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00:30:19 <pikhq> “The Defense Department forced all "war on terror" detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison to take a high dosage of a controversial antimalarial drug, mefloquine, an act that an Army public health physician called "pharmacologic waterboarding."”
00:33:55 <Gregor> v7x86's lack of booting under qemu makes me highly unhappy :P
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01:05:12 <Gregor> It is quite astounding how huge kdrive is :P
01:05:41 <Gregor> With every --disable option available specified, it's 1.4MB and has numerous library dependencies.
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01:14:32 <Gregor> Yes, it is truly a mystery ..
01:15:03 <Gregor> Windows references are not tolerated.
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01:54:54 <pikhq> Gregor: Sure, dynamically linked.
01:56:00 <Gregor> pikhq: That's my point! It's friggin' enormous and we're only seeing half the size :P
01:57:05 <Gregor> Made me think about JSMIPS again for some reason ...
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02:37:36 <quintopia> `translate the entire topic please
03:04:46 <Gregor> HackEgo tends to be slow the first time it's used after a while.
03:04:53 <Gregor> `translateto sv Should be faster now.
03:05:37 <Gregor> `translate 该通道目前正在红色中国的控制权。请继续深奥的活动不受干扰。
03:05:38 <HackEgo> The channel is currently being Red China's control. Please continue to esoteric activities without interference.
03:05:46 <Gregor> `translate 光榮的中華民國應收回這個主題的一些日子！
03:05:47 <HackEgo> Glorious Republic of China should recover some of this theme day!
03:06:03 <Gregor> `translate חנוכה שמח, הגויים!
03:06:04 <HackEgo> Happy Hanukkah, the Gentiles!
03:06:13 <Gregor> `translate sed อยู่เสมอดีกว่า Perl!
03:06:14 <HackEgo> sed is always better than Perl!
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03:14:10 <Gregor> ls (GNU coreutils) 8.7
03:15:34 <augur> who are you in isharia
03:15:48 <augur> who are you on the forum?
03:16:08 <goneriku> Gonorrhea comes from goneriku though
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04:13:07 <zzo38> Here is a new idea please tell me how many things wrong with this: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/TNTNT
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04:21:44 <zzo38> I am sure there is something wrong with TNTNT....
04:22:16 <Sgeo> Anyone reading Machine of Death: ALMOND is hilarious
04:22:35 <zzo38> Please note I am not using my own computer today, but I am using my own IRC client PHIRC, because I installed it in my account on this computer.
04:23:26 <zzo38> Sgeo: What are you reading?
04:23:34 <Sgeo> Machine of Death
04:25:44 <Sgeo> Collection of short stories about a machine that tells people how they're going to die
04:26:06 <Sgeo> Very ambiguous though. "OLD AGE" could mean dying old or being shot by an elderly person, for example
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04:27:32 <zzo38> OK. I suppose it is supposed to be ambiguous!
04:28:37 <zzo38> Today I made a big spider, it is one metre long.
04:28:48 <Sgeo> "Oh, I almost forgot the best card: DISK
04:28:49 <Sgeo> ERROR. I had to run that one three times before I was convinced
04:28:49 <Sgeo> that the guy would die from DISK ERROR and there really was
04:28:49 <Sgeo> nothing wrong with the machine. "
04:30:11 <zzo38> Sgeo: OK. So that is another thing. I do suppose it might be possible sometimes, for someone to die from DISK ERROR.
04:31:57 <zzo38> Please tell me how many things are wrong with [[TNTNT]]
04:42:28 <Sgeo> http://machineofdeath.net/pod-almond
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15:52:14 <elliott> 17:05:12 <Gregor> It is quite astounding how huge kdrive is :P
15:52:14 <elliott> 17:05:41 <Gregor> With every --disable option available specified, it's 1.4MB and has numerous library dependencies.
15:52:14 <elliott> 17:07:44 <Gregor> (624K UPX'd)
15:52:19 <elliott> Gregor: Link it with dietlibc.
15:52:27 <elliott> CC="diet -Os gcc" CFLAGS=""
15:52:51 <elliott> Gregor: (That'll auto-staticify.)
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15:59:05 <Gregor> elliott: Doesn't compile :P
15:59:05 <elliott> fucking internet echo chamber
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16:06:10 <elliott> Gregor: I would try, but I want a way not involving 70000000 tarballs. At least not unless you give me links :P
16:06:31 <elliott> 624K isn't bad, I have about 700 to 800K LZMA-compressed space to spend on X11.
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16:17:34 <Gregor> <elliott> Meh meh meh I want X11 but I'm unwilling to put any effort at all into it waaaaaaah
16:18:05 <elliott> Gregor: Spending effort on Flinix is undoubtedly wasted time, and you've wasted most of it anyway :P
16:18:29 <Gregor> You need to get back to Kitten :P
16:18:57 <elliott> Gregor: Sure; get me a coreutils!
16:19:21 <elliott> Gregor: Or just rebuild KDrive for me :P
16:20:29 <Gregor> KDrive is under the X11 license!
16:20:42 <Gregor> And since that's not EXACTLY EQUAL TO GPL, compiling it with dietlibc is EVIL
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16:21:37 <elliott> <Gregor> elliott: Doesn't compile :P
16:21:43 <elliott> Gregor: I THOUGHT YOU'D ALREADY TRIED HMMMM
16:22:15 <Gregor> What can I say, I'm evil *shrugs*
16:22:58 <elliott> Gregor: OK, I'll never bother you ever again* if you link me to all the KDrive dependencies :P
16:23:00 <elliott> *for at least five minutes
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16:38:52 <Phantom_Hoover> ineiros, would you consider the MoveCraft mod for hmod?
16:39:03 <elliott> ineiros: Did you disable health w/ hMod?
16:39:43 <Phantom_Hoover> Actually, I'll test it locally first, then report on the results.
16:40:46 <elliott> (Q stands for Quooley, the third boolean.)
16:42:25 <ineiros> elliott: I think so. At least I didn't get any damage from lava.
16:42:42 <elliott> (I haven't said w00t since, like, 2004.)
16:42:52 <elliott> ineiros: Are there any warp points yet? :p
16:43:34 <elliott> "Vote for net neutrality!" --yellow; this game is so totally neutral.
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17:13:42 <elliott> Vorpal: I swam down the waterslide.
17:13:49 <Vorpal> elliott, which waterslide?
17:13:55 <Vorpal> elliott, near the subtree?
17:13:55 <elliott> Vorpal: The one where the stairs are.
17:14:09 <Vorpal> elliott, the one that the cobble path goes around?
17:14:25 <elliott> Vorpal: It's hidden in the beach's pool.
17:14:54 <Vorpal> elliott, you mean that hole in the pool?
17:15:23 <elliott> I thought it was from the Flooding of the Way Up when I dug the underground part of the second staircase, but it doesn't seem to lead there.
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17:15:41 <Vorpal> elliott, quite a small place iirc
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17:37:00 <elliott> I should steal Tim Berners-Lee's heart and eat it and absorb his powers.
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17:57:56 <quintopia> i should steal mark zuckerberg's heart and eat it to absorb *his* powers. the ability to make gobs of money seems imminently more practical.
17:58:19 <oerjan> "The affair that we have somehow managed to avoid calling 'Arsenicgate' ..." ...right
17:58:35 <oerjan> (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/dec/08/2)
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18:06:03 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Hey, which blocks do I break in the ROU's cobble factory?
18:17:09 <elliott> "Just spoken to a London-based spokesman for Anonymous. He wished to remain, er, anonymous." --The Guardian
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18:28:43 <elliott> Slereah: I like how there's spokesmen now.
18:29:54 <elliott> [[A 22-year-old spokesman, who wished to be known only as "Coldblood", told the Guardian that the group – which is about a thousand strong – is "quite a loose band of people who share the same kind of ideals" and wish to be a force for "chaotic good"."]]
18:31:40 <elliott> "The spokesman said Anonymous plans to "move away" from DDoS attacks and instead focus on "methods to support" WikiLeaks, such as mirroring the site. "There's no doubt in [Anonymous members'] mind that they are breaking [the] law," he said of the latest attacks. "But they feel that there's safety in numbers.""
18:36:51 <Vorpal> <elliott> Vorpal: dwon? <-- no clue, just got back from eating
18:38:55 <Vorpal> elliott, did you break the ROU factory?
18:39:12 <Vorpal> ah, can show you in a bit which blocks
18:39:16 <elliott> I need two bukkits, lava, and water right now :P
18:39:29 <Vorpal> elliott, fizzie is on and I told him what happened :P
18:40:29 <Vorpal> elliott, also why not do like the rest of us: make buckets.
18:41:21 <elliott> Vorpal: i am. i'm trying to find iron.
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19:33:38 <fizzie> (It filters that sort of stuff.)
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19:34:13 <fungot> <CTCP>.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ...
19:34:42 <fizzie> I thought it was <32, but maybe it was just cr/lf.
19:36:37 <fizzie> ^bf +++++++++[>+++++++++>++++++++<<-]+.>-.>+.<--.>--.<<.
19:36:54 <fizzie> Too bad all the replies are NOTICEs.
19:37:27 <fizzie> If they were PRIVMSGs, I could have put fungot's name in the echoable bit, and then it'd have babbled as a response to everyone.
19:37:27 <fungot> fizzie: not it floors on odds too, it has lambdas! sort of :)
19:38:06 <fungot> tswett: the future of oop: an abstract framework of abstract metaclasses. :p
19:38:18 <EgoBot> 73 +++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++>+><<<<-]>--.>.-------.<+.>+.+++++.>---. [365]
19:38:18 <tswett> fungot's words sound correct.
19:38:18 <fungot> tswett: yes, but lisp. and it doesn't happen."
19:38:47 <tswett> !bf +++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++>+<<<-]>--.>.-------.<+.>+.+++++.>---.
19:39:08 <tswett> fungot: I think you're forgetting something.
19:39:09 <fungot> tswett: ( because file systems are first-class objects, which would go and track me down and deal me physical harm are hopefully rare here
19:39:13 <fizzie> ++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++>+++>++++++++++<<<<-]+.>.>+++.<--.>--.>++.>++.+++++++++++++++.-------.-------.++++++++.+++++.<<<<. generates a CTCP "PING fungot" request, but it doesn't do anything special.
19:39:13 <fungot> fizzie: might be fake nevertheless, he eventually obtained them, and the
19:39:18 <fungot> tswett: fnord pasted " eval in a " fnord
19:39:39 <fizzie> It has all these different styles, in case you haven't seen 'em.
19:39:40 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
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19:40:06 <fungot> Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
19:40:14 <tswett> fungot: how stupid do you sound now?
19:40:14 <fungot> tswett: i dont remember seeing any angels in tha game lol, and stop whineing... enjoy the video that literally everybody who sings high notes holy christ!!
19:40:28 <fizzie> That has a relatively small training corpus.
19:40:32 <tswett> fungot: yup, you sound pretty stupid.
19:40:32 <fungot> tswett: according to the fly-by-wire systems... :(
19:40:40 <tswett> fungot: how long until you start repeating stuff?
19:40:40 <fungot> tswett: final statement on this game in terms of scope there will be considered of the evening and a longer runway.
19:40:50 <tswett> fungot: are you talking about airplanes?
19:40:56 <oerjan> fungot: hopefully rare indeed
19:40:56 <fungot> oerjan: these were obtained, so you have quite a few facts about the hot-ness. but this is so much and i have ever seen!.....i myself am a hillary supporter,i'm not happy with the runway.
19:41:11 <fizzie> I think one of the videos included was some news clip about a plane crash.
19:41:16 <tswett> fungot: what's wrong with the runway?
19:41:16 <fungot> tswett: idk that just to say good job
19:41:33 <fizzie> "fisher" sounds pretty stupid occasionally too.
19:41:36 <tswett> fungot: ah, yes, you're right; it would be ridiculous to expect everyone to know that.
19:41:36 <fungot> tswett: pretty good. the plane
19:41:50 <tswett> fungot: to be quite honest, though, I've seen better planes.
19:41:50 <fungot> tswett: every time you're caught out, there wasn't anyone on the plane
19:42:01 <fizzie> He's very interested about planes.
19:42:17 <tswett> fungot: yeah, I've noticed that, too. Where do you figure they all went?
19:42:17 <fungot> tswett: you ridiculed yourself here. who taught you that? then maybe u kno- it is
19:42:23 <fizzie> You're going to hit the "amount of successive replies to any one person" limit soon, though.
19:44:30 <fungot> Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations)
19:44:42 <fizzie> fungot: How's it going? Isn't that what people say on the 'phone?
19:44:42 <fungot> fizzie: very good actually it was something you know that that at least laughter
19:45:01 <fizzie> fungot: I think you're not supposed to say "laughter" out loud.
19:45:02 <fungot> fizzie: ( ( noise)) affirmative action i don't know i
19:47:02 <tswett> fungot: I liked that noise; can you make some more of the same?
19:47:03 <fungot> tswett: hi where are you calling from
19:47:14 <tswett> fungot: I'm calling from Allendale, MI. You?
19:47:14 <fungot> tswett: by being too informed
19:47:40 <tswett> fungot: oh, sorry. I didn't mean to give you too much information.
19:47:50 <fungot> tswett: ( ( okay noise)) that have special human interest aspects that that appeal to me
19:48:43 <tswett> fungot: I disagree; sometimes the best music is just really good noise. But yeah, actual music does have some pretty appealing special human interest aspects.
20:05:30 <elliott> Vorpal: I am fairly sure that my model works wherever you have a pool below, and is something like 3x3x2.
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20:36:44 <quintopia> would anyone with an e2 account like to proofread my essay about how Facebook does not destroy real relationships?
20:37:19 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: You can make the world nether-only.
20:37:41 <elliott> quintopia: (And lawl @ using e2, not being Sam Hughes, and it being 2010 all in conjunction with each other.)
20:37:45 <quintopia> elliott: so you want to critique my essay then? :P
20:37:58 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, but you can't make it accessible from the normal world?
20:38:00 <elliott> ple in here that use Facebook.
20:38:13 <quintopia> elliott: the essay i am rebutting is on e2 (written in 2008) so i created an account just to post it
20:38:42 <tswett> elliott: if I am not one of them, then make that three.
20:39:12 <elliott> quintopia: You'll get mauled.
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20:50:14 <elliott> `addquote <ehird> Vorpal's pregnant. <Vorpal> yes
20:50:40 <elliott> `addquote <Vorpal> (had real world issues) <Vorpal> (to deal with) <ehird> Vorpal's pregnant. <Vorpal> yes
20:51:26 <HackEgo> 239) <ehird> Vorpal's pregnant. <Vorpal> yes
20:51:27 <HackEgo> 239) <Vorpal> (had real world issues) <Vorpal> (to deal with) <ehird> Vorpal's pregnant. <Vorpal> yes
20:51:36 <HackEgo> 239) <Vorpal> (had real world issues) <Vorpal> (to deal with) <ehird> Vorpal's pregnant. <Vorpal> yes
20:52:41 <fizzie> Sounds like Minecraft!
20:55:49 <Vorpal> fizzie, it was a timing issues
20:55:56 <Vorpal> fizzie, I was answering a different question
20:56:00 <Vorpal> elliott, it seems down
20:56:09 <Vorpal> elliott, you will get bucket back as soon as I get on
20:56:22 <fizzie> Just as I joinened it goes down. Coincidence? I think not.
20:56:30 <Vorpal> fizzie, yes I blame your viewing distance
20:56:41 <fizzie> My viewing distance, which is called "normal".
20:57:05 <quintopia> elliott: how does that work? does it detect if the latest quote is contained in the quote being added and replace it?
20:57:19 <elliott> quintopia: No, it's just a clash with the VCS.
20:57:49 <olsner> ik heb haar in je ogen :/
20:57:53 <elliott> quintopia: It did both separately and tried to merge the commits.
21:00:00 <quintopia> seems like it might be a good feature to have though: if two very similar quotes are added close enough together, the less complete one vanishes
21:02:43 <nooga> elliott: fllinix status?
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21:09:37 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: I have no idea what you did wrong.
21:09:40 <elliott> Although... log in... hmm.
21:10:01 <elliott> nooga: Flinix will go ahead as soon as I get KDrive small enough. You can help the effort by pestering Gregor to link me to all the dependency tarballs.
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21:10:30 <Gregor> nooga: Or, by convincing elliott that it's not magic, and the configure script will be quite happy to tell him of missing dependencies anyway.
21:11:46 <Gregor> elliott: If "FUCK" is an extreme form of "lazy" to you ... nah, I don't want to finish this sentence.
21:13:42 <nooga> coudn't you just compress the whole thing and then decompress to ramdisk at boot ?
21:13:52 <nooga> i mean the whole thing
21:13:58 <nooga> that way you could cheat
21:15:56 <elliott> nooga: duh, of course that's what i do
21:16:00 <elliott> embedded initramfs LZMA-compressed
21:19:54 <tswett> Perhaps elliott gets all his sexual pleasure by lying on the couch and having erotic dreams.
21:20:24 <elliott> Gregor: tswett presents a valid argument that, due to forgetting the context, I was utterly baffled by upon my first reading of.
21:21:21 * tswett gets a text: "Elliott and I will arrive on campus about 6:30. Don't hurry away from the meeting, tho. We can wait while you talk with the stats people."
21:21:48 <tswett> elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew.
21:23:04 <olsner> wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here?
21:23:46 <tswett> Heck yes I'm elliott's uncle.
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21:24:44 <pikhq> What the whatting what?
21:25:01 <olsner> what-what in the what now?
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21:26:53 <nooga> you both like the letter t
21:27:06 <tswett> It's not my fault my name has lots of Ts in it.
21:27:30 <olsner> tswett: it's your fault you haven't chosen another one
21:29:21 <elliott> `addquote <tswett> elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew. <olsner> wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here? <nooga> what <tswett> Heck yes I'm elliott's uncle.
21:29:29 <HackEgo> 240) <tswett> elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew. <olsner> wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here? <nooga> what <tswett> Heck yes I'm elliott's uncle.
21:32:56 <HackEgo> 112) <songhead95> think of all the starving kids in china who don't have rotting sea life to eat
21:33:02 <HackEgo> 165) <cheater99> you don't have an urethra, you're a girl.
21:34:07 <HackEgo> 165) <cheater99> you don't have an urethra, you're a girl.
21:34:22 <tswett> There is a 100% likelihood that that is the only quote containing the word "urethra".
21:34:43 <tswett> A naive statistician would interpret this to mean that there is a 100% probability of the same.
21:35:21 <tswett> There is a 50% likelihood that there are two such quotes; 33% that there are three; 25% that there are four; and so on.
21:35:42 <tswett> Since the total likelihood is infinite, it is obvious that all numbers are not equally likely.
21:36:46 <elliott> Gregor: tswett: That was directed to me :P
21:36:59 <tswett> Who are you talking to?
21:37:03 <olsner> hmm, girls don't have urethra?
21:37:07 <elliott> <HackEgo> 165) <cheater99> you don't have an urethra, you're a girl.
21:37:14 <tswett> Girls have urethras. Short ones.
21:37:38 <elliott> Gregor: I don't have a urethra, I'm a girl.
21:37:44 <tswett> They go straight from the bladder to the outside world, unlike boys' stupid loopy urethras.
21:38:23 <Gregor> They remove their bladders and squeeze them out like a washrag.
21:38:37 <olsner> detachable bladder! sweet
21:39:01 <fizzie> Blad, bladder, bladdest.
21:39:15 <Gregor> It's too bad that, all being male, we can't know the joy of detachable bladders.
21:39:39 <tswett> Oh, my mistake. The male urethra isn't loopy; it's S-shaped.
21:40:02 <olsner> elliott: they probably don't make the bladder detachable as part of that
21:40:11 <elliott> olsner: But then why would anyone do it?
21:40:42 <tswett> Though, one of the curves is located entirely within the penis, and the penis doesn't have a constant shape. If your penis is straight, your urethra is sort of U-shaped.
21:41:15 <tswett> Starting at the base of the penis, it goes down and back until it almost reaches the anus, and then it curves up and hits the bladder.
21:41:44 <tswett> You can actually block the flow of--wait, is this TMI?
21:43:32 <tswett> You can actually block the flow of urine by pressing in a certain spot between your legs.
21:45:07 <olsner> istr that's kind of a dangerous maneouver
21:45:27 <nooga> how to log in to an existing X session using NX
21:45:45 <olsner> afaik NX just doesn't do it like that
21:46:21 <tswett> Pressing in that spot?
21:46:41 <tswett> I seem to remember someone hearing that it's a dangerous maneuver and responding that no, it's not a dangerous maneuver. :P
21:46:55 <tswett> I think someone said that there are nerves running through there, but pressing there won't cause any permanent damage.
21:47:08 <tswett> Besides, whatever those nerves serve can't be very important.
21:47:38 <Vorpal> elliott, Phantom_Hoover: down?
21:48:02 <olsner> tswett: it's pretty close to all the junk used for reproduction, urination and defecation... I think those count as pretty important functions :D
21:48:04 <elliott> Vorpal: At least I got a bunch of impressive screenshots.
21:48:05 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, also ehird is official an insensitive douchebag, do you agree?
21:48:08 <elliott> I think the burning killed the server. :p
21:48:12 <Vorpal> elliott, on the fucking huge tree before?
21:48:33 <elliott> Vorpal: (1) I did not intend to burn every tree.
21:48:39 <elliott> (2) I did not think it would spread that far.
21:48:48 <Vorpal> elliott, (1) in fact you did (2) in fact it did
21:48:59 <elliott> (1) That is not true at all.
21:49:01 <Vorpal> elliott, and you know how far it spread. I told you before
21:49:04 <elliott> (2) I had no idea, and couldn't stop it at that point.
21:49:15 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, exactly
21:49:19 <tswett> Did elliott cause a Minecraft forest fire?
21:49:47 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: What am I meant to do, ritualistically swat myself?
21:49:59 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: (Maybe you can sympathise with Vorpal now ...)
21:50:09 <elliott> At least I didn't intend to do anything!
21:50:20 <Vorpal> elliott, think and listen to what we tell you
21:50:31 <Vorpal> elliott, you only have yourself to blame
21:51:03 <olsner> so, you failed to make backups and that makes it elliott's fault that something broke?
21:51:32 <olsner> I thought it was common practice for people to wreck the whole world once in a while :)
21:52:07 <Phantom_Hoover> Well, backups are taken, but we're not going to use them for a couple of trees.
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21:52:51 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: If it's any consolation, there are tons of eternal on-fire trees now and it looks sweet.
21:53:22 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Um, it's just the tree with a bunch of logs near the mine.
21:53:57 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: You can come and see the damage if you want...
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21:55:19 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, it was like 15 high
21:55:29 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, had had several grown together trunks
21:55:32 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, so huge
21:55:40 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, and now it is gone :'(
21:55:51 <Vorpal> all due to that bastard ehir
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21:56:58 <elliott> Vorpal: like Phantom_Hoover never destroys things.
21:57:22 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Vorpal might beg to differ.
22:02:50 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Oh well, I've gone back to spawn.
22:07:52 <elliott> Gregor: Wait, I can just install the proto packages locally, right?
22:09:40 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Ion cannon?
22:12:00 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: In... Minecraft?
22:12:42 <fizzie> Phantom_Hoover: Shush, you're going to get ineiros to shoot you with that thing if you talk about it.
22:13:16 <fizzie> http://wiki.hey0.net/index.php/Plugin:Low_Orbit_Ion_Cannon ?
22:14:00 <elliott> Man, Vorpal would hate that :)
22:14:44 <fizzie> "This plugin will pretty much ruin wherever you click with it. Back up your maps first. Also, it has a habit of overloading the server and making it so that you have to kill it before any console commands work anymore."
22:14:47 <fizzie> Sounds very practical.
22:15:03 <elliott> fizzie: Psht, it doesn't work as a user command.
22:16:06 <elliott> "18:36 ! Notch was kicked from #hey0 by chrisinajar [don't come back until minecraft is fixed]"
22:17:11 <fizzie> Heh, it shoots with diamonds?
22:17:13 <elliott> #elif !defined(UINT32_MAX)
22:17:13 <elliott> #define UINT32_MAX 0xffffffffU
22:18:02 <elliott> WaitFor.c:170: error: ‘fd_set’ has no member named ‘__fds_bits’
22:19:57 <elliott> " Ahh, I found out the hard way that this doesn't work if you have TNT nerfed. Now I have a huge diamond tower to remove because we're playing it survival like."
22:20:08 <Vorpal> elliott, you logged on, and then my trap broke again. Are you somehow involved?
22:20:39 <Vorpal> I don't have time to fix it again, Just going to close it off for now
22:21:48 <fizzie> Vorpal: Incidentally, snow at work, mobilephoneography, from the same window I've taken pictures from earlier once or twice: http://zem.fi/~fis/20101208_001-005.jpg
22:21:52 <elliott> I received word from someone who was able to build Tiny-X from XFree86
22:21:52 <elliott> 4.2.0 with the diet libc! He attached a diff which I put on foobar."
22:21:56 * oerjan swats elliott for arson -----###
22:22:23 <fizzie> oerjan: That's no Unicode-swatter yet. :/
22:24:29 <elliott> Gregor: http://web.archive.org/web/20071030182328/http://jusa.telco-tech.de/diet.html
22:24:40 <fizzie> ───⌨ <-- the keyboard-swatter.
22:26:01 <oerjan> The Swatter is not to be manipulated for trifling charset reasons
22:27:12 <oerjan> also i wish putty wouldn't show unknown chars as invisible space
22:27:18 <elliott> Gregor: This is before the licensefuck.
22:27:33 <elliott> Gregor: And don't deny that it'll be smaller :P
22:27:37 <fizzie> ───⌫ for a sparse-grid model, ───▩ or ───▦ for dense; I think those two ("square with orthogonal/diagonal crosshatch") are conceptually correct, but don't maybe render so well.
22:28:01 <elliott> I think ────▦ is the best so far.
22:28:33 <oerjan> fizzie: those end chars all show as blanks for me
22:28:42 <elliott> [ ] X420src-1.tgz 18-Jan-2002 15:43 25M
22:28:42 <elliott> [ ] X420src-2.tgz 18-Jan-2002 15:43 22M
22:28:42 <elliott> [ ] X420src-3.tgz 18-Jan-2002 15:43 8.9M
22:28:48 <Gregor> elliott: It'll be smaller ... AND LAMER.
22:28:58 <elliott> Gregor: And, importantly, smaller :P
22:29:05 <Gregor> What's that? Lamesauce?
22:29:27 <elliott> Gregor: If I can get tcc in, and maybe an old version of dietlibc, then I'll have a graphical, networked, latest-version Linux development environment on a single floppy :P
22:29:34 <Gregor> Actually it may not be smaller, since it's before KDrive but after XF dropped its simple servers I think, probably only has the monolithic server.
22:29:53 <elliott> At least the dietlibc mailing list circa 2002 suggests so.
22:30:01 <elliott> They used the letter K followed by the letters Drive.
22:30:15 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: /ion_cannon 64
22:30:30 <Phantom_Hoover> I think it literally just makes a 128-tall column of TNT with the given radius and detonates it at the top.
22:30:36 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: /ion_cannon 64
22:31:06 <elliott> Gregor: (Xfbdev + kernel framebuffer support) or Xvesa: WHICH IS SMALLER IN TOTAL
22:32:49 <Gregor> elliott: I would bet the former.
22:34:09 <elliott> Gregor: Probably. But the framebuffer requires multiple drivers, no? :P
22:34:26 <elliott> Gregor: WAIT. Doesn't DirectFB have an X server emulator?
22:34:38 <elliott> DirectFB can host XDirectFB, a rootless X server implementation that uses DirectFB windows for X11 top-level windows. XDirectFB is an interface that mimics the X11 interface through the DirectFB API to simplify running applications written for X11 on DirectFB.
22:35:08 <Gregor> elliott: Oh boy, now you're paying for DirectFB and X :P
22:35:19 <elliott> Gregor: No, 'cuz XDirectFB will not be as big as X :P
22:35:37 <Gregor> elliott: It would be very nearly as big, especially when compared to Xfbdev.
22:35:48 <Gregor> Perhaps bigger than Xfbdev since it's rootless, which is an added complication.
22:36:07 <Gregor> elliott: However, all seven of DirectFB's users will thank you!
22:36:56 <elliott> Gregor: Your words hurt me.
22:37:05 <fizzie> Just provide some sort of X protocol decoder/dumper, and have the user use hir imagination for the displaying.
22:38:22 <elliott> Gregor: And I use my soul to rape bears.
22:39:25 <Vorpal> elliott, heh up again and first message I saw was me leaving the game
22:41:11 <elliott> Gregor: Ohboy, imake is my favourite thing ever :P
22:41:48 <elliott> ~/flinix/bin/diet -Os gcc -O -I../../include -I../../exports/include/X11 -I../.. -I../../exports/include -I//include -DUSE_XWCHAR_STRING -DUSE_XMBTOWC -DX_LOCALE -Dlinux LinuxMachineDefines -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=2 -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE -DX_LOCALE -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO -march=i386 -pipe -DCPP_PROGRAM="\"/lib/cpp\"" -DHAS_MERGE_CONSTANTS=`if ~/flinix/bin/diet -Os gcc -fmerge-constants -xc /de
22:41:48 <elliott> v/null -S -o /dev/null 2> /dev/null 1> /dev/null; then echo 1; else echo 0; fi` -c -o imake.o imake.c
22:41:48 <elliott> gcc: LinuxMachineDefines: No such file or directory
22:41:48 <elliott> imake.c:1: error: -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 is not between 4 and 12
22:42:41 <elliott> -DHAS_MERGE_CONSTANTS=`if ~/flinix/bin/diet -Os gcc -fmerge-constants -xc /dev/null -S -o /dev/null 2> /dev/null 1> /dev/null; then echo 1; else echo 0; fi`
22:43:16 <Gregor> <elliott> I'M SO GLAD THIS ISN'T AUTOTOOLS DURP
22:43:28 <elliott> Gregor: I never said imake > autotools
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22:49:04 <elliott> Gregor: imake is in fact liquid pain :P
22:50:13 <elliott> Gregor: Something just failed to build and it completely ignored it X-D
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22:53:56 <elliott> /home/elliott/flinix/include/stdlib.h:114: error: conflicting types for ‘_Xmbtowc’
22:53:57 <elliott> ../../exports/include/X11/Xlib.h:4819: note: previous declaration of ‘_Xmbtowc’ was here
22:54:11 * Sgeo misread that as experts for a second
22:57:33 <elliott> Gregor: This server is going to be gigantic, I bet :P
22:57:54 <elliott> Gregor: Is the basic X protocol really that complicated? One would think there would be a trivial X-on-fb implementation.
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23:14:27 <Vorpal> elliott, I looked at a mc map generator tool that allows you too zoom and such. Uses google maps for it. And I looked at their "example page". This was one: http://qt3minecraft.project357.com/map.htm
23:14:35 <Vorpal> elliott, compared to that 128x128 is NOTHING
23:15:05 <Vorpal> elliott, megascale engineering galore on that server
23:24:47 <elliott> Vorpal: But none of it is 3D.
23:26:08 <elliott> Vorpal: Well, OK, some of it is.
23:26:24 <Vorpal> elliott, quite a lot of it is even.
23:26:29 <elliott> Vorpal: Anyway: Fine then. I'll make it 1024x1024.
23:26:32 <Vorpal> elliott, sure, most of the pixel art isn't
23:26:45 <elliott> Vorpal: the 3D stuff doesn't look 128x128 to me :P
23:26:50 <Vorpal> elliott, no. That server seems to allow free /give for everyone btw
23:26:59 <Vorpal> elliott, no, but there is a LOT of it
23:27:11 <Vorpal> elliott, (no, 128x128 is impressive enough)
23:27:45 <Vorpal> elliott, just wow at the thing in http://maps.mcau.org/oldmain/ (linked from same site of examples)
23:28:53 <elliott> Vorpal: The problem with >128x128 is that it can't be a cube :P
23:28:57 <elliott> I think that car was edited in...
23:29:19 <elliott> If not: As someone who hates hearing this all the time: whoever made that needs to get laid.
23:29:24 <elliott> Possibly because of that :P
23:29:32 <Vorpal> elliott, I can only presume it isn't solid
23:29:33 <elliott> I like how there's random obsidians there.
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23:30:35 <elliott> Vorpal: I like the Arecibo message on that first link.
23:31:02 <Vorpal> elliott, saw the 2D barcode thingy on it?
23:31:43 <Vorpal> elliott, uh, somewhere below the Arecibo message
23:31:48 <elliott> Vorpal: You mean a QR code.
23:31:59 <Vorpal> elliott, yeah I said 2D barcode thus, I don't remember the name of it
23:33:49 <Vorpal> elliott, anyway https://github.com/brownan/Minecraft-Overviewer
23:34:19 <elliott> I've seen it before I think.
23:34:27 <Vorpal> elliott, not sure what kind of load this puts on the server though
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23:35:17 <Vorpal> elliott, yes but I mean bw-wise
23:35:48 <Vorpal> elliott, typical values on that page: "700mb worth of image files for map"
23:35:54 <Vorpal> elliott, I mean, seriously...
23:36:02 <Vorpal> elliott, I guess they need several different scales
23:36:27 <elliott> Vorpal: It would be cool if we could get the server to use an editing tool to edit something waaay away from civilisation into, like, a 2048x2048x128 block with bedrock all around it at level 0 and one door from the outside, then put one single door level with whatever land is nearby there, and a spiral staircase down.
23:36:36 <Vorpal> "Another example map, day: http://thedailyautist.com/map/day/ night: http://thedailyautist.com/map/night/ ~430K chunks (~1.8GB). Continuously runs incremental updates (using --chunklist) that take between 15m and 4h depending on player activity. Full map data (cache + tiles) for both uses ~64GB."
23:36:39 <Vorpal> elliott, that looks bad ^
23:37:00 <elliott> thedailyautist.com -- best minecraft server domain name ever
23:37:02 <Vorpal> elliott, barfstairs you mean
23:37:06 <Vorpal> elliott, yes I noticed that too
23:37:10 <Vorpal> elliott, but look at the size
23:37:41 <elliott> Vorpal: Yes yes, barfstairs, but ... in fact, there's no reason they can't be straight stairs.
23:37:44 <elliott> They wouldn't take up much of the total area.
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23:38:11 <Vorpal> elliott, sure, but do you realise what that size is like?
23:38:14 <elliott> Vorpal: lol @ this griefing: http://thedailyautist.com/src/129149460290.png
23:38:17 <Vorpal> elliott, it is several times * far
23:38:22 <elliott> presumably the portal is griefing, dunno
23:38:41 <elliott> Vorpal: I realise how big it is :P
23:39:06 <elliott> Would be funny to fill someone's house with Nether portals.
23:39:29 <Vorpal> elliott, luckily that is so much work that it wouldn't be done
23:39:34 <Vorpal> (and no thanks, don't do it anyway
23:40:50 <Vorpal> elliott, and won't be going on until tomorrow evening probably
23:41:11 <Vorpal> elliott, and if you do mess up something at my place then you will be the one to clean it up
23:42:08 <Vorpal> elliott, why do you ask btw?
23:42:25 <elliott> Boring playing solo when I have no project.
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23:42:56 <Vorpal> elliott, you have one. To map out the border of the 128x128 cube
23:43:07 <Vorpal> elliott, using dirt or such to create markers so you can build within
23:43:24 <Vorpal> elliott, you need to do that anyway at some point for the project
23:43:38 <Vorpal> elliott, you don't want to mess up with glass :P
23:44:04 <elliott> http://thedailyautist.com/src/129107585141.jpg lol, drama
23:44:11 <Vorpal> elliott, going to build to the east?
23:44:12 <elliott> cuz we have no drama on our server of course.
23:45:09 <elliott> Vorpal: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecart_Mania! i wonder if this works with hmod
23:46:00 <Vorpal> elliott, I prefer vanilla minecarts. Well if they worked like for SP
23:46:07 <Vorpal> the bugginess on MP annoys me
23:48:35 <elliott> Vorpal: There's a new redstone thing.
23:48:39 <elliott> I, uh, http://i.imgur.com/YuiKT.png
23:48:41 <Vorpal> elliott, also I think it would work. Look at version history. Mentions hey0. Look at hmod forum hostname
23:49:30 <elliott> Vorpal: It's somethin gto do with sound, apparently :P
23:49:31 <Vorpal> elliott, some kind of music thing?
23:49:46 <Vorpal> elliott, ouch that sound sucks
23:49:56 <Vorpal> violins or pianos I would like
23:50:16 <Vorpal> elliott, oh those are reeds right?
23:50:47 <Vorpal> elliott, can't think of any other with 4 things like that on a single block
23:51:07 <Vorpal> and that is clearly glass and log down there
23:51:26 <Vorpal> the last one ("unts") could be gravel or cobble I guess
23:51:48 <Vorpal> elliott, where did you find that
23:53:17 <Vorpal> elliott, issue with twitter: lack of context when reading one page
23:53:55 <elliott> Vorpal: I know what I should call my Cube.
23:54:12 <Vorpal> "There we go.. Got some sounds from @C418, implemented redstone and punch triggering, and it's all very silly now. :D" <-- sounds fun
23:54:18 <Vorpal> elliott, companion cube?
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23:54:35 <elliott> Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_%28novel%29#Plot_introduction
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