00:00:04 elliott, asteroids. Don't think I actually played that 00:00:16 elliott, isn't it like Ambrosia's Maelstrom? 00:00:19 Vorpal: It's that thing where you're a triangle and there are hollow rocks around you. 00:00:26 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/Asteroi1.png 00:00:32 And you spin around shooting them. 00:00:53 elliott, do large ones break into smaller when hit? 00:01:04 Yes. 00:01:06 elliott, if so it is exactly like maelstrom, except with worse graphics 00:01:19 To be fair, it almost certainly predated Maelstrom by a long, long time :P 00:01:24 (1979) 00:01:25 elliott, yes quite 00:01:31 elliott, you played the latter? 00:01:38 Maelstrom is a 1992[1] clone of Asteroids with an improved graphics and interface.[2][3] Many of Ambrosia's subsequent shareware titles followed in a similar formula. 00:01:40 I haven't. 00:01:50 elliott, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maelstrom_screenshot.png 00:01:56 I have used exactly two Macs in my life for more than a few seconds, I think. 00:02:10 One was someone else's eMac I used once, the other is my iMac. 00:02:16 Although to be fair it's rapidly approaching three. 00:02:19 emac... what one was that now again? 00:02:31 Vorpal: you know the original iMac? 00:02:33 Like that, but white. 00:02:39 eh 00:02:57 elliott, I do know the original imac. And it came in a snow white edition later. And flower power 00:03:29 http://www.extensions.in.th/post/emac/emac2.jpg 00:03:34 It was short for "education Mac". 00:03:43 The eMac, short for education Mac, was a Macintosh desktop computer made by Apple Inc. It was originally aimed at the education market, then available as a cheaper mass market option over Apple's second generation iMac. The eMac design closely resembled first-generation iMacs. It sports a PowerPC G4 processor significantly faster than the older iMac's G3 processor, and a larger 17" flat display. 00:03:47 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 00:03:47 -!- cheater99 has joined. 00:04:07 that looks OS-X-ish 00:04:13 Naw. 00:04:15 OS 8, OS 9. 00:04:19 on the image it does 00:04:20 Although it did last for several years under OS X, yes 00:04:22 *yes. 00:04:25 Until 2005. 00:04:26 ah 00:04:28 Well, 2005/2006. 00:04:30 But nobody bought it. 00:04:45 Vorpal: Anyway we've ruled out MMO because MMO physics, synchronisation and servers sounds like FUN (read: pain). 00:04:56 Vorpal: So it's either going to be a deathmatch game or [insert other thing here]. 00:05:12 elliott, I know a guy good at MMO 00:05:14 a swede 00:05:21 elliott, I think he went by the name notch 00:05:24 you may ask him 00:05:29 Vorpal: You have a strange definition of good. 00:05:33 elliott, XD 00:05:39 Vorpal: Also of MMO, Minecraft servers rarely have /that/ many people on them :P 00:05:54 elliott, indeed. AND IT IS ALREADY BUGGY! 00:05:54 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:06:01 BZFlag! 00:06:11 Vorpal: I feel kinda bad doing copyleft ... 00:06:23 BZFlag servers have lots of people on them! 00:06:23 elliott, alt: it is MMO for minecraft 00:06:27 (massive there = 10) 00:06:36 elliott, XD 00:06:38 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:06:41 (and lots of cheating, but I digress) 00:06:48 elliott, and copyleft rocks! 00:06:53 elliott, you are seeing the light 00:07:01 Vorpal: (As in, the game will be released under "sorta-copyleft": it's copyleft, except you can't distribute anything more than patches in public, basically.) 00:07:10 Because otherwise people could just post the entire source :P 00:07:28 elliott, you're turning evil? 00:07:43 Sgeo_: Yes; mwahahaha, look at my fangs. 00:07:59 So evil that I'm considering putting it on a torrent site as a potential solution for slow sales. 00:08:03 MWAHAHAHAHA 00:08:08 (Note: Phantom_Hoover__ is not nearly as insane as me.) 00:08:30 elliott, of the two of us, who thought of the negative mass engine? 00:08:35 elliott, hm "On July 5, 2006, an "educational configuration" of the iMac Core Duo was introduced, discontinuing and replacing the entire eMac line. The new iMac has a Combo drive rather than a SuperDrive and a smaller hard disk of 80 GB." 00:08:40 elliott, this sound feeble 00:08:54 elliott, I mean, for education you want power machines 00:09:00 Vorpal: Are you being serious. 00:09:01 Phantom_Hoover__: Well, okay, you. 00:09:17 Phantom_Hoover__: But I'm crazy enough to want to release the whole thing as free-as-in-beer and open source after sales trickle off! 00:09:33 Pssht, Notch thought of that. 00:09:43 TAKE THAT, CAPITALISM! I AM GOING TO BE AS NONCONFORMIST AND HIPPIE AS I CAN WHILE STILL RELYING ON THE SALE OF DATA TO MAKE A LIVING! 00:09:51 elliott, yes quite. We all have Core 2 Quad or better in most labs at university. (so there are a few old ones with p4 and CRT iirc, but they are an exception) 00:09:59 Vorpal: education != uni 00:10:01 education = school 00:10:07 = budget of approx. £0 00:10:12 (and they are only there because other computers are non-legacy) 00:10:25 (and we need parport programmers for some stuff) 00:10:28 (like FPGAs) 00:10:31 MIT still use Athena :P 00:10:42 elliott, yeah but that is software. There is no excuse 00:10:48 elliott, FUN FACT: as far as I can tell, the Edinburgh Council computers all have BT branding as their screensavers. 00:10:59 Phantom_Hoover__, BT? 00:11:00 Phantom_Hoover__: wat. 00:11:02 And they refer to their "customers", which annoys me intensely. 00:11:02 Vorpal: British Telecom. 00:11:08 huh 00:11:10 Phantom_Hoover__, WAT 00:11:11 YOU ARE A COUNCIL. NOT A BUSINESS. 00:11:13 Heh, customers of the government. 00:11:20 LIVE WITH IT. 00:11:25 Isn't it more like the government is *our* customer? 00:11:28 Sort of. 00:11:36 Well, really, the government is our contractor. 00:11:40 -!- infanticide has joined. 00:11:42 We just seem to forget that every now and then. 00:11:44 infanticide: GAK! 00:11:52 :) 00:11:56 It's more like "commercial metaphors can only lead to naïvety". 00:12:19 Phantom_Hoover__: Sure. 00:12:29 Phantom_Hoover__: But the government are definitely supposed to work for us. :p 00:12:34 elliott, anyway, why athena? 00:12:41 elliott, I mean.... there is no excuse to use that 00:12:51 Vorpal: Because they invented it, and they have a LOT of machines with it. 00:12:58 Vorpal: Hey, it runs gnome now. :p 00:13:03 (And is based on Ubuntu, now, I think) 00:13:05 "og:url - The canonical, permanent URL of the page representing the entity. When you use Open Graph tags, the Like button posts a link to the og:url instead of the URL in the Like button code." 00:13:07 WTF 00:13:15 Sgeo_: What? 00:13:22 That doesn't sound the least bit abusable 00:13:30 http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like 00:13:32 elliott, wait, a second, isn't athena just a GUI toolkit? 00:13:39 Sgeo_: what 00:13:41 Vorpal: no 00:13:48 elliott, oh 00:13:57 Vorpal: Athena is just what some people call Xaw, because Project Athena at MIT (involving DEC and IBM) created it 00:14:11 Vorpal: Athena created X11, Kerberos and Zephyr. 00:14:27 -!- Zuu has joined. 00:14:28 elliott, ah 00:14:29 -!- Zuu has quit (Client Quit). 00:14:48 Vorpal: tl;dr: if MIT wants to have a bunch of semi-thin clients, they buy a bunch of expensive workstations, put Unix on them, invent X11 and Kerberos, connect them to a server, and call them thin clients. 00:14:53 "Students would have access to (for the time) high performance graphical workstations, capable of 1 million instructions per second and having 1 megabyte of RAM and a 1 megapixel display." <-- THIN CLIENT 00:15:03 -!- Zuu has joined. 00:15:59 elliott, well, if you need to do advanced computation then a lot of local resources might be good 00:16:07 Vorpal: They're used to run Emacs :P 00:16:29 elliott, see! 00:16:36 ha 00:16:44 eight megabytes and constantly swapping, not one! 00:16:49 (okay, so they've been upgraded since then) 00:16:54 Vorpal: http://blog.spang.cc/images/clean-athena.png Athena as of a few years ago. 00:17:03 Vorpal: I understand it has been upgraded to be Ubuntu-based since then and probably the visuals too. 00:17:06 elliott: Well, when they started getting high-quality workstations was much more expensive than getting high-quality X terminals and UNIX systems. 00:17:11 Vorpal: (That's GNOME 2.8. *In 2008.*) 00:17:25 pikhq: X terminals didn't exist because X11 didn't exist. 00:17:31 Vorpal: http://blog.spang.cc/images/clean-athena.png Athena as of a few years ago. <-- still decent 00:17:35 pikhq: They bought high-end workstations: 1 MIPS, 1 MB RAM, 1 megapixel display. 00:17:36 compared to the original 00:17:39 elliott: ... 00:17:40 Vorpal: 2.8!!! 00:17:44 elliott: Dear God. 00:17:46 elliott, what version is gnome now. 2.16? 00:17:47 elliott: The overkill. 00:17:47 I forgot 00:17:48 pikhq: They /invented X/ to run on these. 00:17:50 Vorpal: 2.32. 00:18:05 Vorpal: 2.8 came out in 2004. 00:18:06 elliott: Okay, Athena would have made sense if X terminals were easily available. 00:18:11 elliott: But holy God that's nuts. 00:18:15 pikhq: *AWESOME 00:18:16 pikhq: Not nuts! 00:18:23 pikhq, awesome for the students there 00:18:26 elliott: Okay, yes, I was actually looking for "crazy awesome". 00:18:28 pikhq: Anyway, they all have their own copy of GNOME I think. 00:18:33 Just /some/ apps are on a server. 00:18:40 I think Emacs is, for instance. 00:18:42 Maybe. 00:18:44 elliott, except those at the AI lab. They had lisp machines 00:18:47 Dunno about Firefox. 00:18:57 (at some point at least) 00:19:03 Vorpal: I'm pretty sure anyone could go down to the AI Lab :P 00:19:05 Vorpal: Lisp machines were falling out of vogue by the time Athena came into play. 00:19:11 pikhq, ah 00:19:25 Though MIT almost certainly still had plenty at the AI lab. 00:19:29 Athena started in 1983. 00:19:33 So not "really". 00:19:41 But yeah, it didn't take long for them to decline. 00:19:57 Were they Symbolics, though? I doubt it. 00:20:02 Since Symbolics grew out of the AI Lab. 00:20:20 Probably the AI Lab-built machines. 00:21:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:21:50 It amazes me that X actually has support code for widget libraries. 00:22:01 -!- cheater99 has joined. 00:22:08 Even though it was last used over a decade ago. 00:23:38 widget libraries? 00:23:42 presumably not gtk etc 00:24:32 Xaw and Motif. 00:24:48 They called out to Xt. 00:25:06 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:25:10 night → 00:25:28 pikhq: People still use Xaw. And Motif. 00:25:40 If Vorpal moves left, will time move backwards back into day? 00:25:51 DEEP. 00:28:06 pikhq: I NEED LANGUAGE SUGGESTIONS 00:29:28 elliott, Falcon Factor Haskell C C++ Java Newspeak Smalltalk Ur Python BancSTAR Brainfuck 00:29:34 ^^in no particular order 00:29:37 Fail at interpreting my statement. 00:30:59 pikhq: What would JESUS put in a language??? 00:31:44 coppro: 00:31:45 elliott@dinky:~$ clang -fblocks bar.c -o bar 00:31:45 /tmp/cc-FT8NmW.o:(.rodata+0x20): undefined reference to `_NSConcreteGlobalBlock' 00:31:47 coppro: :( 00:32:40 coppro: You never told me blocks don't work as regular function pointers :| 00:32:50 elliott: Jesus would put salvation into a language, and everyone else would turn it into C++. 00:32:52 elliott, something that prevents debuggers and statements used in a debugging context from working properly. You need faith that the program will work properly. 00:34:36 "Clang doesn't yet provide an easy way to use blocks on platforms that don't have built-in operating system support (e.g., SnowLeopard)." 00:34:40 pikhq: Can I see your copying code? 00:35:03 elliott: That line is bullshit. 00:35:13 elliott: http://compiler-rt.llvm.org/ You just need that library installed. 00:35:20 pikhq: Right. Apparently it's not so mature though. 00:35:27 (They linked to that in the same comment.) 00:36:13 pikhq: But srsly, you can't use blocks as function pointers. 00:36:15 i.e. useless to me 00:36:19 No? 00:36:35 http://sprunge.us/eFJC There's a self-contained example. 00:36:53 pikhq: But srsly, you can't use blocks as function pointers. 00:36:54 Is this true? 00:37:01 Hmm. Yeah, it is. 00:37:26 http://sprunge.us/eFJC There's a self-contained example. 00:37:31 Any way to avoid being explicit with the closure? 00:37:38 That's kind of a pain as a compiler-writer. 00:37:38 No. 00:38:05 What's the name of the compiler-rt lib? 00:38:20 There's librt but it's not that. 00:40:31 pikhq: Are you suuure I can't avoid explicit closing? 00:40:59 -!- cheater99 has joined. 00:41:31 elliott: If you can avoid ever popping the function off the stack, you can use GCC's automatic closing. 00:41:40 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:41:56 pikhq: Hmm. Well, can I just list all the variables mentioned in the function body and that would be sufficient? 00:42:12 pikhq: Also: How do you avoid invoking gcc's automatic closing in that code? 00:42:17 Should C have a allocprintf command? 00:42:32 zzo38: To do what? 00:42:43 elliott: What do *you* think? 00:42:50 zzo38: I have no idea. 00:43:00 elliott: I do not ever use any variable from the enclosing scope. 00:43:07 zzo38, how difficult would it be to port MegaZeux to Flash? 00:43:12 elliott: You cannot guess what I meant? 00:43:14 pikhq: Heh. 00:43:16 zzo38: No. 00:43:29 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:43:29 Sgeo_: I don't know. But I suggest you don't port MegaZeux to Flash. 00:43:56 :( 00:43:57 Can you compile C programs with SDL into Flash? If so, then it is easy. But I don't think you can do that. 00:44:08 Well, you can compile C to Flash. 00:44:12 A guy ported Doom to Flash that way. 00:45:07 Sgeo_: Why do you want it in Flash anyways? It is much better native (it will both be faster and will not require a Flash player). 00:45:34 So more people will play MegaZeux games! 00:46:11 Sgeo_: MegaZeux will compile on most operating systems, including Nintendo DS. 00:47:02 It's impossible to get lazy people to go through that effort to play what feels like a flash game 00:47:04 (But if you can find a way to compile C programs with SDL into Flash, you can try compiling mzxrun only into Flash, although I still don't like it.) 00:51:03 Sgeo_: Mainstream MegaZeux executables are available for most common operating systems. For my version, executable is available only on Windows to download, but it works on other operating systems too. If anyone wants to contribute executables of my MegaZeux in other operating system, I might post a link to those ones too. 00:51:53 elliott: What I meant by "allocprintf" is one that is like 00:52:15 "sprintf" but it automatically allocates it too. 00:52:43 zzo38: allocsprintf would be a better name. GLib has that, by the way. 00:53:10 elliott: I didn't know that before. 00:53:17 zzo38: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-String-Utility-Functions.html#g-strdup-printf 00:53:58 But that's for GNOME isn't it? 00:54:24 zzo38: No. 00:54:29 zzo38: GLib is portable. 00:54:45 zzo38: And works in programs with any type of interface; it does not depend on any interface library. 00:54:59 Well, either way, I am writing the program without such functions because it doesn't have it, I was just mentioning something that I might find useful. It is not absolutely necessary. 00:55:51 zzo38: Glib just happens to be heavily used by Gnome; it's a fairly generic "throw everything in that should've been part of the C library" sort of thing, though. 00:56:09 Well, it also has that revolting object system. 00:57:12 Yes, but you don't have to link that in. :p 00:58:25 Sgeo_: Have you played my MegaZeux game yet, though? (It is recommended you download my copy of both the world file and the MegaZeux program, but you don't have to (for Part I).) 00:58:59 pikhq, what's horrible about it? 00:59:16 I mean, besides trying to use it in its native language? 00:59:31 -!- cheater99 has joined. 00:59:57 What I know is that when I need a object system in a C program, I will write one that is suited for that specific program that I am writing. 01:00:24 zzo38, that's because you're zzo38 >.> 01:01:28 GLib is pretty awful in reality :P 01:01:29 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:01:47 elliott, to use from C, or even from a language like Vala/Genie? 01:01:58 GLib is just awful full stop. 01:02:03 But it has some useful functions. 01:02:48 I have written more of TeXnicard already. Including pattern matching. 01:03:48 pikhq: srsly though, I don't think Debian has a compiler-rt package. 01:04:02 elliott: What is a compiler-rt package? 01:04:13 A thing for LLVM. 01:05:38 aha 01:05:42 libblocksruntime-dev 01:05:45 split out by stupid debian 01:06:04 pikhq: Are you sure there's no way to cast a block to a function pointer? 01:07:26 I have a idea of esolang that nearly everything must be done by solving a halting problem. What is the minimum number of other things needed? 01:10:17 None that I know of. 01:12:58 pikhq: Bleh, I can't figure this out at all... 01:15:22 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:16:21 pikhq: Why is parsing such a pain. 01:17:01 -!- cheater99 has joined. 01:19:29 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:22:19 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:24:03 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:24:22 pikhq: Maybe I should just write the compiler in Haskell. 01:24:42 -!- infanticide has left (?). 01:34:07 pikhq: HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT NESTED COMMENTS 01:34:33 -!- cheater99 has joined. 01:35:05 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:36:03 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:36:52 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:47:22 109.8lbs 01:47:35 And that's considering I didn't eat much today 01:47:41 Maybe I'll be ok on Feb 10th 01:51:31 -!- cheater99 has joined. 01:52:22 pikhq: HOW SHOULD I PARSE 01:54:00 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:00:02 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 02:00:34 pikhq: ping 02:04:22 GNIP 02:05:18 pikhq: HOW DO I PARSE 02:05:33 Using GNIP. 02:06:17 pikhq: ;_; 02:06:21 pikhq: Even Parsec is a bit of a bitch. 02:09:59 -!- cheater99 has joined. 02:11:17 -!- wareya_ has joined. 02:12:26 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:14:34 -!- wareya has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:19:44 pikhq: You should make a parser library. 02:28:33 -!- cheater99 has joined. 02:31:11 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:38:07 elliott: seen "Yacc is dead"? 02:38:23 Mathnerd314: yep. and every response to it. and the author's re-response. 02:38:32 but it doesn't really help my current situation :) 02:42:09 * Mathnerd314 goes back to debugging his language 02:44:02 Mathnerd314: what lang? 02:44:56 my lang. a pre-pre-pre-release version of what will eventually rule the earth 02:45:08 Mathnerd314: brief overview? and no, /my/ lang will rule the earth. 02:46:04 Chrome's been acting up again lately 02:46:15 I'm almost tempted to switch back to Opera 02:46:50 elliott: it has message passing, and pattern matching, and multiple dispatch, and... the rest is part of the front-end I have to implement 02:46:58 Mathnerd314: strongly typed? 02:47:09 dynamically typed 02:47:35 -!- cheater99 has joined. 02:47:36 Mathnerd314: worthless 02:47:42 Mathnerd314: is it purely functional or impure? 02:48:05 the type system is part of the front-end 02:48:10 purely functional 02:48:21 Mathnerd314: hmm. maybe not entirely worthless then 02:48:34 Mathnerd314: message passing/multiple dispatch have a lot of overlap -- why not just pick one? 02:49:09 it has both; they're implemented in the same lines of code 02:49:09 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:49:19 Mathnerd314: that's not a reason 02:49:38 careful, thought-out design taking into account what to exclude as well as what to include > "it didn't take many lines of code so I threw it in" 02:49:39 umm... because I like power, and this is more powerful? 02:49:55 so far every time you've used the word power it's been to justify a bad idea ... but very well. 02:50:29 actually, it doesn't *really* have pattern-matching 02:50:37 i didn't even object to pattern matching 02:51:25 yeah, that's why it doesn't have it. because it has no data structures. 02:51:28 Is it "more power" to drop the strong typing from Haskell? More power in that case -> suck 02:51:50 Sgeo_: it has no type system yet. OK? 02:52:10 Mathnerd314, I was commenting on the idea of "power", not your language speciically 02:52:10 Mathnerd314: if it has no data structures, what do you send messages to? 02:52:14 specifically 02:52:14 also: how do you decide what dispatch to use? 02:52:45 elliott: environments 02:52:50 Mathnerd314: go on. 02:53:26 an environment takes some code and evaluates it. I have an environment which can construct other environments 02:54:29 and which dispatches to them 02:54:30 i still think that having both message passing /and/ multiple dispatch is a design flaw. or at least an indicator of badly-thought-out design. 02:55:21 coppro: wait, how do lambda expressions in C++0x compare, for compiling to? 03:02:28 I'm going to go watch a video on Ur 03:02:33 Maybe I'll warm up to it 03:02:45 Sgeo_: You won't unless you have a decent grasp of dependent types. 03:03:00 pikhq: In which a company announces that their BSD-licensed fork of the BSD-licensed LimeChat, which they do not name or link to in the press release, will be sold in the Mac App Store for $9. http://www.codeux.com/textual/future.php 03:03:33 18min 03:03:39 pikhq: New item on my TODO list: Offer free builds, encourage people to link to it with "Textual" as the link text for googlebombing. 03:03:39 I don't have that kind of time :( 03:03:46 Sgeo_: No, you can spend it on IRC instead. 03:03:50 Of course you have 18min. 03:04:12 elliott, if I start thinking it's ok to watch lengthy videos when I should be working, I'm screwed 03:04:59 -!- cheater99 has joined. 03:06:52 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:11:19 -!- wareya_ has changed nick to wareya. 03:13:34 http://www.khanacademy.org/ good way to learn some more advanced math? 03:15:28 um i don't really see anything there i would consider very advanced 03:15:47 khanacademy seems to be universally popular though. 03:18:10 DEAR FLASH: FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU 03:18:35 Sometimes, when playing YouTube videos, the audio will keep going and the video will stop 03:18:57 I blame Windows. 03:20:11 elliott, I see stuff about linear algebra 03:20:27 Sgeo_: and? 03:20:37 It's stuff I don't know 03:20:44 That doesn't mean it's advanced stuff. 03:22:59 -!- cheater99 has joined. 03:25:21 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:32:56 -!- oerjan has joined. 03:35:08 hi oerjan 03:35:15 the ho 03:36:44 oerjan: the ho what? 03:36:55 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Udage&diff=20547&oldid=20545 <-- i totally schooled that cpressey dude 03:37:07 the ho de hi 03:37:47 haha, and some classic Graue rage: 03:37:49 [[I reverted your purge of Talk:Udage because that isn't the way wikis work. You do not own that page, nor do you own the Udage article. Do not delete valid information from this site again. --Graue 19:16, 10 Oct 2005 (GMT)]] 03:40:53 So, if I try to pretend PSOX never existed, and try to remove all traces of it ever existing, I'll be yelled at? 03:41:33 -!- cheater99 has joined. 03:42:34 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:42:50 Sgeo_: sheesh, obviously you'll be yelled at regardless 03:43:09 _maybe_ a bit more in that case 03:45:07 the basic thing to understand, Sgeo_, is that people like yelling at you 03:49:41 precisely! 03:50:03 I know you all secretly love me 03:50:08 Sgeo_: NOW DO YOUR HOMEWORK 03:51:55 oerjan: you should ban Sgeo_. 03:52:09 that doesn't help. 03:52:45 also with my own procrastination that would be bad karma. 03:54:51 oerjan: no, i just want you to ban him to make him go away 03:58:08 -!- cheater99 has joined. 04:00:21 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:16:01 -!- cheater99 has joined. 04:17:34 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:20:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computable_number#Formal_definition computable dedekind cuts -- awesome! 04:22:49 Hmm... Last 30 days allocation lists for APNIC, 16x/14, 6x/13, 4x/12. That's about 11Mi addresses (plus then there are the <250k allocations...) 04:23:39 http://www.amazon.com/Wishing-Well-Making-Your-Every/dp/078686561X . This book. This horrible, evil book 04:25:06 Also intersting to look at raw allocation counts for 250k+ allocations: 5 for RIPE, 1 for ARIN, 1 for LACNIC, 2 for AfriNIC and 26(!) for APNIC. 04:26:33 Runner-up in large allocations: RIPE with 5.25Mi. That's not even half of APNIC. 04:29:42 As a kid, I had a bad reaction to the woowoo in that book 04:30:18 Some people find comfort in that sort of BS. I found abject fear that haunts me to this day 04:32:36 5 forms of the final boss remaining. 04:33:02 Allocations this month: ARIN: 1 693 696. AfriNIC: 384 000. LACNIC: 1 095 936, RIPE: 3 953 920, APNIC: 12 063 232. Yes, APNIC allocated way more addresses than all the other RIRs COMBINED. 04:33:33 -!- cheater99 has joined. 04:34:32 Sgeo_: You're fucking crazy. 04:35:09 elliott, the claims of that book have had such a profound negative influence on me 04:35:35 Sgeo_: Did I mention that you're fucking crazy? 04:35:54 elliott, are you unaware of how easily kids can be affected by this sort of stuff? 04:36:07 Sgeo_: No, no, I'm not quite sure you *understand*: you're fucking crazy. 04:36:47 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:37:23 3 forms remaining... 04:37:31 pikhq, YouTube it all 04:37:55 pikhq: Are you doing it with just the infinity-plus-one and mandatory bosses? 04:37:57 pikhq: If not: wtf i hate you 04:38:56 There's different woowoo I believed as a kid, that wasn't so traumatic 04:39:11 elliott: I'm finishing my first playthrough dammit. 04:39:18 pikhq: ur lame 04:39:22 And the final boss is still a pain with the infinity-plus-one. 04:39:30 elliott, did you just call Ur lame/ 04:39:33 You see, it has 12 forms. You have to kill each one. 04:39:36 Sgeo_: shut up 04:40:07 Each one is a difficult boss in and of itself. 04:40:59 pikhq: lawl 04:41:25 Except I one-shot each one. 04:41:37 I just need to have enough full-SP-heal items to get through. 04:41:41 Which I do. 04:41:58 I find no fear in the idea of an afterlife, only comfort. In the idea of being able to control reality with your mind, I find the most horrible painful fear. 04:42:07 FINISHED. 04:45:04 SATAN DEFEATS ALL 04:45:46 pikhq: Good ending. 04:46:08 elliott: Yes, I used Satan to defeat the end of the world. 04:46:12 Sgeo_: You can do that, it happens by sending a few signals down to effectors which effect changes in the world around them. 04:46:42 pikhq, it would be better if it were an unwilling Anti-Christ 04:47:19 elliott: I could've used Odin instead; would that have made you feel better? 04:47:57 pikhq: No. 04:48:04 elliott: Messiah? 04:48:05 Sgeo_: Why aren't you in abject terror? 04:48:08 pikhq: NO. SATAN 04:48:16 Okay, then. Satan it was. 04:48:24 * pikhq rocks the devil horns 04:48:34 Because the only real way for my mind to affect reality is limited 04:48:58 My OCDish thoughts of people dying aren't going to kill them 04:49:02 Not very limited if you're an atom. 04:49:05