< 1293753602 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: TANGLE is the program to convert the WEB file into the Pascal file. < 1293753612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293753619 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293753649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my hunch is that Memfractal is turing complete, although i'm not entirely sure if four exits is enough or not < 1293753699 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If not, could having multiple blocks help? < 1293753702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i assume all bits start as 0? < 1293753724 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes all bits start as 0 (unless initial state says otherwise) (probably it should be mentioned) < 1293753726 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ais523! < 1293753728 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when did you come in? < 1293753739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by multiple blocks? < 1293753743 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Initial state includes input state) < 1293753767 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1293753768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok so some of the bits might be set dependent on input? < 1293753787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By multiple blocks, I mean that instead of one block, you have two rectangles which are two blocks and possibly have some new command to select one. < 1293753811 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes some bits might be set on input. But if you are using with no input, it is all 0 at the start. < 1293753817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so + would select one of them and some other command the other? < 1293753846 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes maybe + selects one and some other command select the other. < 1293753861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not be necessary though < 1293753875 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I was thinking too, I don't know if it is necessary or not. < 1293753927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to implement a TC language in it? < 1293753948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how though, but BCT is probably a good target < 1293753988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't do BCT, the fractal connections don't fit a queue very well < 1293753995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm true < 1293754000 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, any better suggestion? < 1293754009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tape might be easy < 1293754032 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1293754041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, when does the program end? (does it end at all?) < 1293754055 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293754066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed it would end if you left the top program? < 1293754075 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes you are correct < 1293754095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293754177 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone make a Free emulation of the environment used in Knuth's TeX that can compile the program without changes and can treat file areas and so on in the way the TeX program does, and can save the program image (as described in section 1331 of TeX: The Program)? < 1293754276 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1293754280 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody can do that. < 1293754391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically someone could. But would be tricky and pointless < 1293754425 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1293754426 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293754428 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is physically impossible. < 1293754430 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly. < 1293754432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why? < 1293754436 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why zzo38 does not need to ask any more questions about it. < 1293754439 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is impossible. < 1293754442 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can drop the subject, obviously! < 1293754449 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't you agree? < 1293754456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh. true < 1293754477 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I have MiKTeX installed here (and Live TeX at Free Geek), it is too large and contains a lot of extra stuff < 1293754483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it's the third law of thermodynamics right? < 1293754487 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@75-174-216-30.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293754487 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1293754488 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I am sure it is not impossible. < 1293754494 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it is. < 1293754496 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of physics. < 1293754511 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of physics? < 1293754534 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1293754590 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it is possible for sure. Maybe it is even possible to modify GNU Pascal to work in this way. < 1293754604 0 :Wamanuz4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1293754610 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not impossible but improbable < 1293754723 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to leak of motivation < 1293754759 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: No. < 1293754763 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Impossible. < 1293754770 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay okay < 1293754779 0 :Sasha2!~WHAT@97-124-45-84.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293754799 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't impossible. < 1293754820 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1293754827 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to argue < 1293754851 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want some cookies? < 1293754852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh hm i see memfractal is reversible. that might complicate things... < 1293754858 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION offers
< 1293754975 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay tex live has almost downloaded < 1293754980 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i can continue reinventing package managers, badly < 1293754986 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i don't need to worry about dependencies < 1293755005 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vhdl must be the ugliest language on earth < 1293755008 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any small TeX distribution that works? < 1293755158 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mactex is 3 gigs unpacked apparently < 1293755158 0 :Sasha2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1293755159 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and installed < 1293755223 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293755246 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, without LaTeX, PDF, kpathsea, PostScript, BibTeX, fontconfig, and all that stuff. < 1293755353 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1293755364 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293755416 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar: Unrecognized archive format: Inappropriate file type or format < 1293755417 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. < 1293755450 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, the file type is porn < 1293755454 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293755494 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293755515 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They added a JPEG header by mistake and it just happens so to make pornography when you do that????? I don't think so. < 1293755528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... tiff header < 1293755593 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: O, it is tiff header. < 1293755615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, do you know what a joke is? < 1293755719 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, he does not. Nor does he know that none of us care about any of his software. < 1293755730 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or he knows and he doesn't care. < 1293755774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293755775 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know a joke. I write my own joke too. < 1293755797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1293755825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 doesn't read other people's jokes, he just writes his own < 1293756008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...does curl keep an internal cache? < 1293756016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be downloading this file suspiciously quickly. < 1293756104 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293756164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I very much doubt it < 1293756166 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone used https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/ -> any recs? < 1293756188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen plenty of people recommend it. It's probably the best choice ... if you want to get shared web hosting, but why would you want that? < 1293756193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a VPS. < 1293756198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prgmr.com/xen/ < 1293756248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you *sure*? :p < 1293756280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The requested URL /debian/pool/main/d/dblatex/dblatex_0.3.orig.tar.bz2 was not found on this server. < 1293756281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1293756293 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I'm no curl expert < 1293756295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1293756298 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1293756298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does curl not exit 1 on 404??? < 1293756312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, HOW SHOULD I KNOW?! < 1293756314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check docs < 1293756316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott-Hirds-MacBook-Air:~ ehird$ curl -O http://www.se.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/d/dblatex/dblatex_0.3.orig.tar.bz2 < 1293756317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current < 1293756317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed < 1293756318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :113 340 113 340 0 0 1211 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 3908 < 1293756320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott-Hirds-MacBook-Air:~ ehird$ echo $? < 1293756322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1293756324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is fucking retarded < 1293756459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try wget < 1293756519 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use --fail < 1293756524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ for prog in /usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/x86_64-darwin/*; do ln -s $prog /usr/local/bin; done < 1293756529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OS X doesn't ship with wget, so no. :-) < 1293756534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Heh. < 1293756540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Shouldn't it be --disable-fail :) < 1293756547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1293756552 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It successfully fetched the 404 page < 1293756566 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the docs for --fail say that it doesn't always work < 1293756570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1293756580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to see curl is so mature. < 1293756608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groan, it /does/ remember where it was installed. < 1293756658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what does, stow? < 1293756665 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that someone did manage to compile TeX with GNU Pascal. < 1293756746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, dblatex. < 1293756760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python setup.py install --prefix=/opt --destdir=../dest < 1293756760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir /opt/stow/$pkg < 1293756760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp -R ../dest/opt/* /opt/stow/$pkg < 1293756763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a boss. < 1293756784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the final boss of the game? < 1293756788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a miniboss? < 1293756795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a boss? < 1293756804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COOL IT DOESN'T DO --DESTDIR < 1293756811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Like a boss. < 1293756816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it doesn't do destdir? < 1293756834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does mcmap do destdir? < 1293756862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mcmap doesn't do install. So no. < 1293756878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --install-base base installation directory (instead of --prefix or -- < 1293756879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : home) < 1293756879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --install-platbase base installation directory for platform-specific files < 1293756880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (instead of --exec-prefix or --home) < 1293756883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see this is going to be fun and not painful at all. < 1293756903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single good thing about autotools is that it stops people too stupid to exist from creating their own systems. < 1293756914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently being a Pythonisticator overrides that. < 1293756927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, isn't it setuputils or whatever the standard python thing is called? < 1293757005 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying Aardappel
< 1293757018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: distutils. < 1293757030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1293757034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setuptools is an extension to distuti^W^W^W^W something we should all try and forget ever happened. < 1293757202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it an extension to something we should try to forget < 1293757210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean it is something we should try to forget < 1293757211 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1293757211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^W < 1293757214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter < 1293757363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why is setuptools bad? < 1293757390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh god. so many reasons. easy_install is the worst program ever written. and the command-line wrappers it installs take like 1s to just find the program < 1293757393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s classes < 1293757406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be noted, for instance, that easy_install comes without an easy_uninstall. < 1293757415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, installation requires manually editing a generated file, and removing a directory. < 1293757418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uninstallation < 1293757533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god this is awful < 1293757660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is supposed to be an upsetting scene, I think, but I got distracted by the crappy CPR < 1293757756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293757792 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293757963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY SOEONE FIX THIS REOJGEG]\E[PE]E[4 < 1293757963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 < 1293757987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, change the O to an U and the J to a G < 1293757988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahaa!! < 1293757990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1293757993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT IT LIKE A JUNGLE < 1293758002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ?? < 1293758030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python setup.py install --prefix=/opt --root=../root < 1293758031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir -p /opt/stow/$pkg < 1293758031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp -R ../root/opt/* /opt/stow/$pkg < 1293758227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION removes version numbers from his packages
< 1293758229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more simplar!! < 1293758272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, it all works now < 1293758383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is it sane to have an autotools source directory as a subdirectory of the build directory? >:) < 1293758527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think GCC will hate you at least < 1293758550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ghc hates anyone who even _looks_ at its build system. even it knows that it's the worst ever. < 1293758556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1293758557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gcc < 1293758560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how GCC devs even cope. < 1293758575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant the gcc build system < 1293758577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a million-line shell script that always recompiles the entire source tree would be faster and easier to use < 1293758578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1293758621 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc's build system is saner than ghc's IMO < 1293758657 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has some slightly silly requirements, like only working for out-of-source builds < 1293758665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: GHC's got completely modernised lately, dude < 1293758673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure && make && make install is now perfectly sane < 1293758681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /used/ to be a right mess < 1293758689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: if you're referring to the ghc dependency, well ... not much you can do about that < 1293758696 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but I think it's not completely modernised, and not sufficiently modern :P < 1293758705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what's suboptimal about it? < 1293758723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: WARNING: cannot find DocBook XSL stylesheets, you will not be able to build the documentation < 1293758726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: WARNING: cannot find hasktags in your PATH, you will not be able to build the tags < 1293758728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :todo: fix < 1293758730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hscolor < 1293758906 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1293759041 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally mostly that parallel builds aren't properly parallel, but there are other diffuse signs of ugliness < 1293759059 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something with the makefile generation through cabal was screwy last time I built < 1293759163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JESUS CHRIST @ docbook-xsl's install.sh < 1293759221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what is an xml catalog an why do i need it < 1293759335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: omfg xml is the worst, did you know < 1293759383 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: let's just say I've used ant... < 1293759394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah but that's not even the worst! < 1293759402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the worst is schema xsl catalogue files xsltproc < 1293759633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ dh_installxmlcatalogs < 1293759633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ # upstream ships {param,pi,table}.xml as example for DocBook < 1293759633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ # because we don't need them inside docbook-xsl, we exclude them < 1293759635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ dh_install -Xparam.xml -Xpi.xml -Xtable.xml -XChangeLog* -X.param.* -X.lib.* -X.gitignore < 1293759645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian -- hiding things away in macros so you can't see how the fuck to build things since 1993. < 1293759704 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verilog looks much nicer than vhdl. < 1293759707 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.. "It always amazes me that someone as perceptive on blood glucose, and indirectly on blood insulin, as Dr Davis can still believe the lipid hypothesis. Really believe. Fascinating." < 1293759759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the arch build scripts for this
< 1293759760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg what is this < 1293759768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awful < 1293759770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is in fact the worst < 1293759850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, a Linux distro heavily reliant on PSOX would ... *gets shot by elliott* < 1293759872 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is verilog turing complete? < 1293759891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, that went completely over my head (or maybe on the side of it) < 1293759909 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can implement a microprocessor in it, upon which you can implement a turing complete assembler < 1293759918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1293759926 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be turing complete, right? < 1293759938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, no actual hardware can be TC. < 1293759956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: verilog is sub-TC. < 1293759956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure neither verilog nor vhdl are actually TC. < 1293759964 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what can it not do? < 1293759970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ais523 can explain but i wouldn't recommend him to due to it being a waste of time due to the target. < 1293760005 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the target of this conversation being you showing off that you're a prissy brat? < 1293760021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so edgy. < 1293760021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was it docbook-xml or docbook-xsl? < 1293760023 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293760026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: -xsl. < 1293760039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it probably is TC via the not-for-synthesis features < 1293760043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the PKGBUILD seems to be manual install commands? < 1293760046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's incapable of dynamic allocation, which wouldn't surprise me < 1293760058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm pretty sure it is, isn't it? < 1293760059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the "because it can be used to make a microprocessor" is bogus reasoning as microprocessors aren't TC < 1293760064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the target of this conversation being you showing off that you're a prissy brat? <-- not brat no < 1293760068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think VHDL is capable of dynamic allocation is it? < 1293760082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not too sure about its not-for-synthesis features < 1293760082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, and I never thought I'd say this, do try to get along the two of you) < 1293760085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cheater doesn't like me because i call him a troll when he trolls. < 1293760086 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, but things that run on them can be < 1293760096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't surprise me if you could make arbitrary length strings, for instance < 1293760101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i think the lack of moderation in here is a bad thing :) < 1293760107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no they can't, because they wouldn't be able to access infinite storage < 1293760118 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293760125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: cheater99 doesn't know what Turing complete means < 1293760127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run a BF interp on a processor, but it would eventually run out of memory if you kept extending the tape < 1293760160 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but no concrete implementation of a language has access to infinite storage < 1293760176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: indeed < 1293760188 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would mean you imply no language is TC < 1293760198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no concrete implementation is TC, indeed < 1293760209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being TC is a property of languages in theory, not in practice < 1293760235 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in theory for every program that needs to be executed a microcontroller with enough storage could be programmed in verilog < 1293760238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also talk about bounded-storage machines, which are ill-defined, but effectively "machines that would be TC except for the possibility of running out of memory" < 1293760250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf question: If I have an X system, and want to build a compiler as an X executable, that outputs X executables, _but_ it's bootstrapping from a Y compiler < 1293760252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yep, verilog counts as a bounded-storage machine for that reason < 1293760254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's BUILD, HOST, TARGET? < 1293760262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X=64-bit and Y=32-bit in this case < 1293760267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :build = Y, host = X, target = X < 1293760272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh. that is a canadian cross < 1293760274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks < 1293760275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no it's not < 1293760279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1293760280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no it isn't < 1293760280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1293760284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :canadian cross requires three systems < 1293760285 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUILD is where you build it, HOST is where you run it, TARGET is what it builds when run < 1293760288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just cross compiling a native compiler < 1293760290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have a 64-bit system, and want a 64-bit compiler; I just happen to have a 32-bit compiler to build it with < 1293760296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is right I think < 1293760303 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but the memory doesn't need to be bounded. when you're executing and run out of memory, freeze the turing machine just before the allocation fails, and transplant it onto a bigger host. < 1293760318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: then doing that would be part of the impl itself < 1293760319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, no. 2 does it. on X build a compiler that will run on Y and will target X < 1293760326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as far as I know that is a canadian cross too < 1293760332 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can certainly implement that in verilog. < 1293760334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think you can have a /concrete/ impl that does that < 1293760337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a crossback < 1293760342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh okay < 1293760366 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think canadian cross is only when you build a cross-compiler using a cross-compiler, in this case he's just cross-compiling a normal compiler < 1293760380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1293760385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cross-compiling a compiler" is the best description < 1293760391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more or less the same as cross-compiling anything else < 1293760420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, canadian cross has the worst etymology ever < 1293760423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discovered by cpressey < 1293760426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done the YXX combination with C-INTERCAL before, in order to test it (where Y = x86-32, X = ARM, as I happened to have an x86 to ARM crosscompiler handy) < 1293760429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1293760431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a reference to the canadian political system < 1293760435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time, canada had three main political parties < 1293760435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the gcc manual < 1293760437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also < 1293760441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three architectures involved < 1293760445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean ... that is so stupid < 1293760462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought it was a reference to the red cross? < 1293760463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not call it a ménage à compiler? < 1293760465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes about as much sense < 1293760467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to me it fits in the "this is vaguely similar, let's call one after the other" strategy < 1293760467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... < 1293760475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/strategy/category/ < 1293760505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :red cross would work. You need band aid after doing a canadian cross < 1293760506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ménage à compiler! < 1293760510 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you read "cryptonomicon"? < 1293760512 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be compiler à trois? or was it flipped intentionally? < 1293760522 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a book that features a fictional version of alan turing. < 1293760529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's the Bad Etymology game < 1293760533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it shouldn't make more sense < 1293760539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Have you read "SICP"? < 1293760546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't < 1293760546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's a book that features a real version of Sussman. < 1293760551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never come across a copy, and it would take a while < 1293760553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*The Sussman. < 1293760573 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Sussman"? < 1293760607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes. < 1293760623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Technically it should be [b]The Sussman[/b] but IRC doesn't support the requisite International Standard for BBCode. < 1293760628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if anyone has ever tried to name their child "The"
< 1293760700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO GO GHC BUIL < 1293760700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D < 1293760702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE AN SSD < 1293760704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THUSLY YOU GO FAST < 1293760706 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but what's The Sussman? < 1293760708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOOOOOOOO ROCKET POWER < 1293760720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you use -pipe, to save on the SSD? < 1293760724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, (for gcc that is) < 1293760729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The Sussman is the man otherwise known as ``Gerald Jay Sussman''. < 1293760741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. It'll only compile the runtime system with gcc anyway, the rest is all GHC. < 1293760747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Besides, SSDs are smart. < 1293760748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why use BBcode when you can do this? < 1293760756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: +c, silly < 1293760757 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I see what you mean < 1293760764 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOu can use CTRL+B for emphasis in IRC, some clients will accept it, some won't because it is not part of the main RFC for IRC. < 1293760765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought that didn't block bolding < 1293760767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just colors < 1293760769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It blocks everything. < 1293760773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293760780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, this channel will filter it < 1293760784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my client blocks colors, but not bolding < 1293760787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably for the best; when I'm on Jabber I abuse italics to ridiculous extent. < 1293760789 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use CTRL+A < 1293760801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've been told off for using /slash italics/ excessively < 1293760801 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's not actually *in* the book, is he? as far as I understand he just (co-)wrote it? < 1293760802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo, the fan realised I was using the computational power of my CPU and has decided to start going. < 1293760808 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any other control character which is not blockde. < 1293760809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all sorts of contexts, not just Usenet < 1293760812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: His beautiful voice comes through in the text! < 1293760812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1293760824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you aren't on the toshiba satellite any more, are you? < 1293760824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Look, I had to fit the snowclone, shut up and let me quote /prog/ memes until the last river runs dry. < 1293760831 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's funny, when I read it, it comes out in my voice < 1293760832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ctrl-A is reserved for CTCP commands < 1293760838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, I left it behind two days ago. < 1293760842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fan runs continuously on Windows 7, but on Ubuntu it only seems to run when I'm watching a lot of video < 1293760846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what are you on now? < 1293760850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293760857 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Use another control character then. < 1293760866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ensnared in the terrifying jaws of proprietary lockdown and loss of freedom ... but it's less than an inch thick! < 1293760871 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use ANSI escapes I don't know if any IRC client accepts it though < 1293760882 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293760885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an inch isn't really a very good comparison < 1293760887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VROOM I AM A JET PLANE," says the little fan. "VROOOOOM!" < 1293760890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was dumb < 1293760893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even the Satellite is less than an inch thick < 1293760897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it isn't < 1293760905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inches are massive < 1293760907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it also has ugly feet :) < 1293760920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, reword: It literally couldn't fit a bigger port than USB. < 1293760925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1293760929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The USB port only has the slightest border on the top and bottom. < 1293760930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macbook air? < 1293760936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: MAYE < 1293760937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MAYBE < 1293760937 0 :fxkr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1293760944 0 :fxkr!~fxkr@unaffiliated/fxkr JOIN :#esoteric < 1293760945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of much else that fits both statements you've given < 1293760948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my defence, they updated it recently and the specs are now ... well, respectable. < 1293760962 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 13" or 11"? < 1293760963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no idea how good or otherwise it < 1293760965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1293760969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Recent Core 2 Duo, 4 gigs of RAM, 1440x900 resolution, a whole *two* USB ports, and a 256 gig SSD.) < 1293760972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 13". < 1293760985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the fan ran less, but otherwise it's really nice. < 1293760992 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this work? < 1293760995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s/\*/s\/$\/$'\// < 1293760995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to like heating up whenever you actually /do/ anything. < 1293761004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just see literal characters around the "this" < 1293761007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, " Does [0010]this[0010] work? < 1293761009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I see < 1293761010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that look like solid triangles pointing left < 1293761025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 0010 = 16 = control-P < 1293761030 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 1440*900? that's an improvement < 1293761032 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not to the right? < 1293761036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, it's really nice actually < 1293761037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, to the left < 1293761041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the Toshiba has 1366x768 < 1293761051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not that much larger a res < 1293761053 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, does this do anything? < 1293761053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the ppi might be a bit high on this considering the proliferation of bitmaps, but it's actually just fine. < 1293761061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that gives me triangles pointing right < 1293761062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but it's definitely a marked improvement. < 1293761068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense < 1293761081 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macbook pros are only 1280x800 in 13" < 1293761081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I grew up on 640x480 < 1293761091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: heh < 1293761101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well this thing could stand up to a 13" macbook pro < 1293761102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, does this do anything? <-- same as before but 0011 now < 1293761107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot to mention it has the same GPU < 1293761113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is /really/ nice, for integrated graphics < 1293761116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I had an idea for an #esoteric collaborative language project, FWIW (there is, in fact, logic behind telling _you_ this in particular). < 1293761125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so intel graphics? < 1293761128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if integrated) < 1293761128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. Nvidia. < 1293761136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you embed a literal NUL in your messages? most clients can't, but I wouldn't be surprised if yours could < 1293761143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh. So integrated nvidia? how strange < 1293761149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um, that's incredibly common. < 1293761152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On desktops especially. < 1293761162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Our own Perl 6: basically, second system design taken to perfection. The biggest language we can think of focusing on ridiculous concision and no care at all for ease of implementation or bloat. < 1293761163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it seems unlikely that a Mac would use Intel graphics to me, it doesn't really fit their image < 1293761169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The idea is to beat them at their own silly game :-) < 1293761181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually they used to. < 1293761185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(use Intel graphics) < 1293761186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually rather like Perl 6 < 1293761197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, I do too. < 1293761203 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aos523: Let me see if I can embed a null < 1293761204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just think _we_ could do a much better job of it. < 1293761215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler/stage2/build/LibFFI_hsc_make.c:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set < 1293761216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1293761218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perl 6 almost isn't vaporware < 1293761219 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What did it display? < 1293761223 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293761233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aos523: Let me see if I can embed a null < 1293761239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the previous comment by you < 1293761245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the comment you embedded a nul in? < 1293761255 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the server cuts it off. < 1293761260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you embed it in a different comment, in such a way that it didn't come up at all? < 1293761265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server cutting it off wouldn't surprise me < 1293761265 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the null I wrote "there it is" < 1293761272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that makes sense < 1293761291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, it occurs to me that it might turn out quite similar to J < 1293761298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., Perl 6 has Zop for zip-with-op < 1293761302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo Zop bar < 1293761309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously you can have /op for fold-with-op, like J has < 1293761321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/op foo; < 1293761322 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293761322 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293761324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which generalises to < 1293761327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero /op foo; < 1293761330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1293761336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/+foo; < 1293761337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1293761342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo[0] + foo[1] + foo[2] + 1 < 1293761346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for 3-length foo) < 1293761367 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-8.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1293761565 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ety7i/the_one_day_challenge_one_php_file_24_hours_what/ < 1293761625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see first comment. < 1293761740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately, it looks like your cross-compilation help won't work < 1293761747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think GHC /can/ cross-compile like that < 1293761780 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1293761873 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is interesting: apparently cretin originally meant "christian" and was used to point out that mentally retarded people were still christian and deserving of dignity < 1293761904 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and atheist retards are apparently worthless...) < 1293761958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1293761959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minuit chrétiens < 1293761976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it takes a huge amount of hackery to get autoconf to do build/host/target correctly < 1293761997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more like, when you have a compiler that depends on itself, all this stuff is complicated to do! < 1293762000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL does it by running autoconf twice recursively < 1293762009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, that only does build/host, not build/host/target < 1293762011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /hope/ that it'll manage to do a proper bootstrap here, but I fear that it's going to just do an unregistered build < 1293762021 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shame, I somehow though half the point of autoconf was to make stuff like that work correctly < 1293762029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you trying to build for 64-bit using a 32-bit compiler anyway? < 1293762038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you should see gcc's autoconf script < 1293762044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly written by hand, in shellscript rather than m4 < 1293762046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hideous < 1293762052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because the only GHC binaries for 64-bit are two 7.0.1 ones that depend on MacPorts libgmp < 1293762062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and I don't use MacPorts < 1293762065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I write a program with works without autoconf. < 1293762072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (the support is rather new) < 1293762082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so I'm using the regular 32-bit GHC binary to try and build a 64-bit one < 1293762086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293762101 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I always thought autoconf was what did that :( < 1293762106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1293762114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf does many things, but not that < 1293762127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I also like how gcc uses _hand-written Makefiles_. < 1293762139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mostly compensates for nonportabilities with other systems < 1293762140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know if you've ever looked at them, but ... those don't look like the product of hands to me. < 1293762153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you seen GHC's Evil Mangler? < 1293762153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: more fun, gcc has various flags describing the machine < 1293762167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some combinations aren't supported by the gcc core, and the fact isn't documented except in comments inside the code < 1293762181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these combinations are actually used, and the arches that use them have their own code just override the core for that bit < 1293762184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a literate perl script that runs regular expressions over C compiler output to remove the C function prologues and epilogues from the assembly ... for _multiple assemblers_ < 1293762184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code duplication ftw < 1293762193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha < 1293762195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, literate perl: they wrote their own literate perl processor < 1293762201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is, quite possibly, the most evil thing ever written < 1293762203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and literate perl already exists < 1293762210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mean POD? < 1293762212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1293762213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POD has nothing to do with literate programming. < 1293762216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are very mistaken < 1293762221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it can be abused for that purpose < 1293762225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of. < 1293762228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in this case they used latex: http://darcs.haskell.org/ghc/driver/mangler/ghc-asm.lprl < 1293762228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=begin html < 1293762230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=end html < 1293762231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=cut < 1293762235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that's not what literate programming is at all < 1293762240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever other markup system you like < 1293762245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've seen literate programming < 1293762254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, it's nothing to do with the syntax, you could just use regular comments < 1293762257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's just inline documentation < 1293762266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to do with how you intersperse the comments and code, and what the comments say < 1293762272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's about reordering the program < 1293762277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1293762282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but more expressive languages alleviate this need by having more expressive procedural abstractions) < 1293762289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still, if you can't name a procedure a sentence, it isn't really the same) < 1293762299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that in algol 68! < 1293762306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world is an entirely legal variable name < 1293762390 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the evil mangler is quite impressive in a way < 1293762406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, i wish people woul stop talking about pair programming < 1293762435 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pair programming LOL < 1293762464 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't make this stuff up < 1293762533 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should rewrite it in haskell and call it the Holy Mangler < 1293762583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how did they port ghc to a new platform in the first place if it can't easily cross compile? < 1293762594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unregistered builds < 1293762599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, meaning? < 1293762627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: complicated things < 1293762634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay < 1293762637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't you do that then < 1293762641 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literate programming is about making a book! < 1293762641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building/Porting < 1293762643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or temporarily use macports < 1293762648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and no. < 1293762656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now you get the zzo38 book-is-program speech < 1293762726 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is about making a book! < 1293762744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Book is about making a book! < 1293762761 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Book [...] a book! < 1293762783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about starting from a 64-bit ghc 6.x? < 1293762787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does that work? < 1293762799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I had my own Wikipedia page for over 18 months. I made myself an apple orchard tycoon from the Midwest. Worst that happened was it being tagged for not including enough citations. When I started seeking "real" jobs I got paranoid that employers would see it and know it was me goofing off so I flagged it as a vanity page and got it taken down. I tried deleting it but the WikiBots auto-reverted it. I was very proud of that page. In fac < 1293762799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t, I later found a student at a Wisconsin university had used made up information from that article for his Senior Project (a planned bike route through apple country)." < 1293762802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there are no such builds < 1293762806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X 64-bit support is new < 1293762807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1293762842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just make a 32-bit build and save my sanity. < 1293762854 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be nice if ghc porting wasn't so darned difficult < 1293762876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: X depending on X is just a general headache :) < 1293762886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that depends < 1293762887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but it's shiny so we keep doing it regardless of the engineering problems < 1293762889 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably help if it could do cross-compiling (of itself) too < 1293762903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah #ghc says this build can't possibly work < 1293762906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm leaving it going < 1293762907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case < 1293762914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erlang depends on erlang. But since it uses bytecode this is less of an issue < 1293762921 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1293762925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still the erlang compiler is written in erlang) < 1293762942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised how sturdy this laptop is... it feels as solid as a MacBook Pro < 1293762943 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, elliott knows better than #ghc about building ghc < 1293762962 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know what "lipid hypothesis" is? < 1293762969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, never heard of it < 1293762972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, but I've got FAIIITH OF THE HEAART -- and if the Enterprise theme just started playing in your head, enjoy the pain. < 1293762992 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, I don't remember it :D < 1293762992 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh UGH < 1293762998 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst theme ever < 1293762998 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293763004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: absolutely < 1293763011 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall the theme as being that bad though < 1293763017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, I love the mirror universe theme from that series thoug < 1293763020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though* < 1293763022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1293763025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl5zw6fGjdA if you haven't seen it) < 1293763029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also with totally different graphics < 1293763030 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The (crock) idea that cholesterol causes heart disease. < 1293763035 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, lyrics makes it instantly worse than all other star trek themes < 1293763042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, same graphics in part near the beginning < 1293763049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well. all 3 seconds of it < 1293763053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and that is used to rather good effect < 1293763067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically the title goes black even before the ship < 1293763069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more like .5s :P < 1293763074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I have no opinion on that. < 1293763076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... come to think of it, < 1293763089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, too much of anything is probably bad anyway so *shurg* < 1293763116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ... come to think of it, < 1293763133 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :259) ... come to think of it, < 1293763152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes how that "... come to think of it," is clearly the only thing which _isn't_ pedantic
< 1293763165 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glucose and insulin in blood are necressary. But both become substances from hell when in excessive amounts... And those amounts aren't really that high. < 1293763173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is very very strange (from unregistered build instructions): $ cp /bin/pwd utils/ghc-pwd/ghc-pwd < 1293763178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL < 1293763184 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pedants don't just "come to think of" things! < 1293763252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SENSE NO MAKE ALL THAT < 1293763274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, THE PUN MAKE INSTALL < 1293763276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the little gnome inside my laptop is burning < 1293763284 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: relistened to the enterprise theme now - it doesn't annoy me < 1293763286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, check sensors? < 1293763293 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I remember there being an OS X app for it < 1293763296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I GOT FAIIIIITH! < 1293763303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's fine, it's just warm :P < 1293763308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not quite at birth control level yet. < 1293763318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1293763382 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293763432 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they sing that? I don't hear it when I listen to the song, so bladder all you want about FAIIIIIITH :P < 1293763445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's the alternate universe one < 1293763446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not annoying < 1293763448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you presumably clicked < 1293763458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's the AWESOME one < 1293763460 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I clicked onwards to the original theme < 1293763473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "I GOT FAIIIITH OF THE HEART" < 1293763498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this one yes? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPn-lTytfGo < 1293763536 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one yes < 1293763552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe you are deaf :) < 1293763568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: to be fair, it may be hatred for EVERY OTHER THING about Enterprise spilling over. < 1293763618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok it's killing my future children now < 1293763624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this laptop's silence and coolness does not scale < 1293763646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, move it to a table... < 1293763650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it will cool better then too < 1293763652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none nearby < 1293763655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's actually just cooling my legs < 1293763659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1293763659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warming < 1293763663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :melting more like < 1293763670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, move to a stable then < 1293763678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then move notebook on it < 1293763680 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I generally don't listen to lyrics, so "faith of the heart" would've registered as "faaaay blada baaa" or something like that < 1293763703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm. same for me actually. < 1293763708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just cuz youre swedenish < 1293763713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1293763721 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1293763773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1293763811 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's the same for swedish songs :) < 1293763820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1293763825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tro i ditt hjärta < 1293763827 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :german and japanese lyrics work better though < 1293763833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make[1]: *** [utils/haddock/dist/build/Paths_haddock.o] Bus error < 1293763836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard that i suck cocks < 1293763849 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "buss error" eh. That is quite rare < 1293763855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not on OS X. < 1293763857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it from mcmap the other day < 1293763858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a segfault. < 1293763866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you never get a segfault on there? < 1293763868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say bus error for whatever reason, perhaps Mach. < 1293763870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you get that too? < 1293763879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it's mostly bus errors. I think I may have seen a segfault once or twice. < 1293763884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1293763892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION builds a 32-bit GHC instead
< 1293763896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on linux you see bus error once or twice instead < 1293763903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stow is actually quite nice i wonder what pikhq dislikes about it < 1293763908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why do you hate macports? < 1293763920 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen a bus error on linux, only on solaris and mac < 1293763937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (1) they like to duplicate a lot of software Apple includes, which tends to be irritating ... except that they don't duplicate all of it, e.g. gcc (even though they have a gcc package), so managing everything can be a real pain < 1293763941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's pretty darn slow < 1293763942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, happens like... 2-3 times / year on linux for me < 1293763945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's really complex < 1293763953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's often out of date, sometimes significantly < 1293763958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfault : 5 / week ? < 1293763959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and it just generally isn't pleasant to use. < 1293763969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1293763973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's very easy to screw things up when using macports. < 1293763980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have to keep track of what youre using the apple version of vs macports < 1293763982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1293763983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but would using it for bootstrapping ghc hurt? < 1293763991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just downloaded the GHC installer for that. < 1293763996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacPorts wouldn't make that any simpler. < 1293764002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh but for 64-bit I meant < 1293764005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MacPorts has a 64-bit GHC, but really, 32-bit works better for now. < 1293764011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well that'd be silly < 1293764015 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1293764017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because macports already does download binary -> build from source < 1293764024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd have to build ghc from source TWCIE < 1293764025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TWICE < 1293764031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is the point where i commit suicide < 1293764039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well but why not download the binary only < 1293764043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and use that bit < 1293764068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because binaries suxxx0r0r0r. :p (Because I want it in my /opt stow-based system, and GHC isn't relocatable.) < 1293764097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so get 64-bit binary version. Use that to build your own 64-bit one from source < 1293764111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 64-bit binary requires macports libs. < 1293764112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can remove the non-/opt one once you built your new one < 1293764120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OR HOW ABOUT THIS JUST USE THE 32-BIT ONE < 1293764122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so get that single macports lib < 1293764127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, THAT IS GIVING IN! < 1293764128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than single. much more < 1293764130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would also involve macports perl < 1293764139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, chroot for it? < 1293764143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wanted to do it 64-bit, I'd LOOK AT THE MACPORTS BUILD SCRIPT to figure out how it does it < 1293764154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: macports already does everything in /opt/local so that would be pointless. < 1293764154 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1293764157 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229028122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1293764159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also making an OS X chroot sounds "fun" < 1293764167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well then easy to clean up after! < 1293764181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf /opt/local < 1293764200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite < 1293764203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, there is Gentoo/Interix < 1293764209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what... < 1293764210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1293764214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on gentoo prefix < 1293764222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interix < 1293764222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo/Interix (eprefix) is a port of Gentoo that runs atop the Interix Subsystem for Windows which is also known as Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX (SFU) or Subsystem for Unix-based Applications (SUA). < 1293764222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A result of the Gentoo/Interix project is the ability to install and use the Portage system to emerge native Windows applications (requires Visual Studio, 2008 Express Edition will do too). However, this feature does not support the wide variety of packages supported by other platforms (including Interix). < 1293764231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I bet there is like one guy using it. The maintainer < 1293764242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd write something like that without any intention of using it just for the lulz :) < 1293764253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe < 1293764266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd doubt you would touch gentoo though < 1293764278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no. < 1293764284 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, otherwise I charge you to do Gentoo/Hurd (unless this is done?) < 1293764295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: apparently the port to gnu hurd was abandoned (for gentoo/alt) < 1293764300 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD < 1293764307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interix support but no HURD < 1293764314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again hurd guys are basically in bed with debian so i'm not surprised < 1293764324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although arch/hurd exists now, thanks to arch people being idiots with nothing better to do < 1293764344 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293764353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re - segfaults < 1293764357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes? < 1293764400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes? < 1293764402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: here in OS X land we live in a land of perfect solutions. that is why we use a modified 4.3BSD kernel running on top of Mach, with a FreeBSD userland, running a windowing system which renders using PDFs. < 1293764409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it Just Makes Sense! < 1293764423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, doesn't quartz use opengl? < 1293764424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, Quartz is Display PostScript: The PDF Version) < 1293764431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1293764434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1293764436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1293764438 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293764443 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... to render the PDF:s :P < 1293764449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1293764450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[It is widely stated that Quartz "uses PDF" internally, often by people making comparisons with the Display PostScript technology used in NeXTSTEP (of which Mac OS X is a descendant) and OPENSTEP. Quartz's internal imaging model correlates well with the PDF object graph, making it easy to output PDF to multiple devices.[6]]] < 1293764454 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't the pdf stuff slow down a LOT < 1293764458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see above < 1293764461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _actually_ PDFs < 1293764468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1293764471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fun fact, before OS X 10.4 or so, the default OS X screenshot format was .pdf < 1293764483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual, scalable PDF ... apart from all the bitmaps used in the UI that made it utterly pointless < 1293764490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, you actually got screenshots ending in .pdf. < 1293764508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1293764521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: despite all of this insanity, it's better than X11 :) < 1293764522 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was used to make actually scalable UI:s, it'd be pretty awesome < 1293764528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't OS X use scalable icons and so on? < 1293764531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1293764532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where are the bitmaps? < 1293764546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but look in finder on program icons. They are scalable < 1293764547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: UI elements are bitmaps, icons are (512px or something) bitmaps < 1293764550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293764552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, they're just really huge bitmaps < 1293764556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I see < 1293764556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendered in multiple sizes < 1293764560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1293764560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1293764563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not rendered in multiple sizes < 1293764564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even linux uses svg nowdays < 1293764566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why i said that < 1293764568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really < 1293764573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it can < 1293764575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but it doesn't < 1293764582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a regular default-gnome or tango setup won't use svg < 1293764587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the option is available < 1293764590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's faster rendered bitmaps < 1293764618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually, I looked at readahead files from ubuntu. It does load a handful of *.svg < 1293764624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, more *.png though < 1293764639 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think computer.svg got loaded by gdm for example < 1293764681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VROOOM IM A JET ENGINE VROOOOM VROOOM COMPILING VROOOOM < 1293764689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, TABLE! < 1293764695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VROOOOOOOOOOM < 1293764702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it makes a noise even when i hold it up :P < 1293764716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well duh. But future kids < 1293764720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1293764722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also little molecules of dirt are sweating off my palms onto the aluminium ... lovely. guess that's why they use plastic < 1293764726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KEEP IT IN YOUR LAP! < 1293764739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think me reproducing would give very good prospects as to the estimated further lifespan of the universe < 1293764747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got lucky, I'm not *100%* evil. < 1293764756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, only 95% yes < 1293764774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they'd be little versions of me, and god knows I irritate myself enough already. < 1293764782 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft. he's a comparative teddy bear to 100% evil < 1293764799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you don't understand how *nice* 100% evil can be < 1293764846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why is the ghc evil mangler written in perl < 1293764856 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh maybe i do and realize that your occasional dickwaddery moves you closer to averagely evil < 1293764859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because FUCK YEAH LITERATE PERL FILE RUNNING REGEXPS ON C COMPILER OUTPUT < 1293764871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hmm darn < 1293764872 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not write it in haskell < 1293764880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to be really nice from now on and then slit everyone's throat < 1293764888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, literate perl!? that's even more wtf < 1293764892 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good new year's resolution < 1293764900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because that'd make porting even more of a pain. also, because haskell probably didn't have too good regexp support at the time :P < 1293764905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, they wrote their own literate perl processor < 1293764911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: note: it is only used when compiling via C. < 1293764916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not the recommended way to do things usually < 1293764931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well once it was the only way? < 1293764935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fvia-C really means "use the C compiler as a code generator, and then strip out all the C function bits from it" < 1293764937 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're on the subject of painful theme songs.. < 1293764941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no. < 1293764949 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1293764960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that was ages ago. topic closed. < 1293764977 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the evil mangler was also ages ago < 1293764985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but that doesn't involve Sgeo singing < 1293764986 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more ages than bad themes < 1293764987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"singing" < 1293764991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so SHUT UP < 1293764996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being That Guy! < 1293765005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is worse, the SGI theme or my singing? < 1293765010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: YOU < 1293765024 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's SGI? < 1293765043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67E-_SQLVRo < 1293765053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: DO NOT CLICK < 1293765059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst music ever < 1293765061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to worst series ever < 1293765087 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1293765089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : stop being That Guy! <-- ?? < 1293765108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That Guy. < 1293765121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a reference I do not get. < 1293765130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, though it does sound familiar < 1293765130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even really a reference :P < 1293765131 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stargate infiiiinity-ity-ity-ity-ity < 1293765140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stargate infinititty lol < 1293765142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ humor < 1293765152 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks for labelling it < 1293765162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, speaking of music that is actually good though it really feels like it shouldn't be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc < 1293765169 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinititty? that sounds like something worth watching < 1293765171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: its so u recognise < 1293765171 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made it funny hahaha yes it did < 1293765171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: that was the first line speaking of it) < 1293765178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dude /I/ linked you to that < 1293765184 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but not recently < 1293765191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and it is widely spread really < 1293765192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes it was a funny humorus < 1293765223 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking humeri is funny too < 1293765237 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yuck, there's autotune in it < 1293765251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, true. He /spoke/ that. < 1293765256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you expect Carl Sagan to sing properly in a TV series? :D < 1293765257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1293765260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have been so much better < 1293765263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he just sang all the time for no reason < 1293765276 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Universe: The Musical < 1293765282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is the first bit from "I'm not great good at singing but here is a try" < 1293765289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it from that series or? < 1293765291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RIP Carl. Fuck off to all those low-life career theoretical physicists." < 1293765293 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a glorious dawn is actually still my favorite melodysheep track < 1293765294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: All of it is :P < 1293765295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--YouTube < 1293765296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1293765301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low-life career theoretical physicists < 1293765303 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even despite the hundreds of others now < 1293765305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a phrase i never ever expected to read < 1293765305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so he /did/ sing in it? < 1293765309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. < 1293765311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the whalesong < 1293765312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's < 1293765320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it is < 1293765328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, I haven't watched the series (it is on my todo list) < 1293765331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what whalesong? < 1293765335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the Whoop-booo he does at the start < 1293765341 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "I'm not very good at singing whale songs, but I'll give it a dtry." < 1293765344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1293765351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293765351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Hawking should do a rap album after that bridge in A Glorious Dawn < 1293765355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would buy it < 1293765365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might have to hack up his software a bit though :-P < 1293765366 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MC Hawking. it's hilarious. < 1293765370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I know < 1293765375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be better if he actually did it < 1293765383 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but he wouldn't < 1293765387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1293765400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how do you know < 1293765403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen hawking is BADASS < 1293765412 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, why not? seems like a fun thing to do < 1293765420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit GHC compile faster, I need to go to the toilet < 1293765434 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't leave it unattended? < 1293765435 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's not studying it? he's thinking about math n shit? < 1293765437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, PUT IT ON THE FLOOR? < 1293765445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, shift stuck < 1293765449 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for someone who can't really talk, and can barely do it through text-to-speech, rapping would be pretty awesome < 1293765455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no i'm just scared to leave it alone in case it becomes sentient < 1293765455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need to clean keyboard < 1293765458 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off your ath and do some math. math, math, math, math, math < 1293765466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hit ctrl-z to pause it? < 1293765466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: only valid if he does it in real time though < 1293765469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work that throat yo < 1293765472 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will ALSO cool down the thing < 1293765474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't trust that to work reliably :) < 1293765478 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... what? < 1293765483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when has that ever broken? < 1293765483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'M SCARED OF GHC < 1293765505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dude, a program can't trap the relevant signal, unless it is pid 1 < 1293765509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCARED < 1293765526 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to spend time with your new build so it doesn't end up a misanthropist < 1293765533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he wouldn't have any trouble actually rapping though < 1293765538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add some sleep()s into his software to wait for a beat < 1293765545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1293765548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should just never turn it off < 1293765550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rap all of his interviews < 1293765581 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including end rhyme, mid rhyme, and ghetto slang < 1293765819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no need for the latter. Just do it as nerdcore < 1293765854 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerdcore can still get crunk up in the hizzouse < 1293765867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, if you haven't seen it already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nigRT2KmCE (I don't like rap in general, but this is an exception) < 1293765879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure *everyone* knows who MC Frontalot is :P < 1293765886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure, but that song? < 1293765892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gangster christian nerdcore I would go for < 1293765897 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like LOL money < 1293765898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1293765906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(christian gangster rap was one of the nullsoft genres) < 1293765927 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of frontalot before < 1293765961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is with j-invariant
< 1293765995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: comfortable rock is it? < 1293765997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one you live under < 1293766003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1293766034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: want a cushion? < 1293766119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Already got one < 1293766178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh no. You made him go to sleep. Now I have to provide the puns. < 1293766184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1293766193 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice track < 1293766204 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1293766213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, mmm < 1293766308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest xkcd 's title text is FRCTACUTALLY INATTCCURATE!!!!!1 < 1293766314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putty is not just for windows < 1293766339 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kind of inaccurate? < 1293766372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1293766381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/Users/ehird/Downloads/ghc-7.0.1/inplace/bin/haddock" --odir="compiler/stage2/doc/html/ghc" --no-tmp-comp-dir --dump-interface=compiler/stage2/doc/html/ghc/ghc.haddock --html --title="ghc-7.0.1: The GHC API" --prologue="compiler/stage2/haddock-prologue.txt" --read-interface=../Cabal-1.10.0.0,../Cabal-1.10.0.0/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/Cabal/dist-install/doc/html/Cabal/Cabal.haddock --read-interface=../array-0.3.0.2,. < 1293766381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./array-0.3.0.2/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/array/dist-install/doc/html/array/array.haddock --read-interface=../base-4.3.0.0,../base-4.3.0.0/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/base/dist-install/doc/html/base/base.haddock --read-interface=../bin-package-db-0.0.0.0,../bin-package-db-0.0.0.0/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/bin-package-db/dist-install/doc/html/bin-package-db/bin-package-db.haddock --read-int < 1293766381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erface=../bytestring-0.9.1.8,../bytestring-0.9.1.8/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/bytestring/dist-install/doc/html/bytestring/bytestring.haddock --read-interface=../containers-0.4.0.0,../containers-0.4.0.0/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/containers/dist-install/doc/html/containers/containers.haddock --read-interface=../directory-1.1.0.0,../directory-1.1.0.0/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/directory/dist- < 1293766383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install/doc/html/directory/directory.haddock --read-interface=../filepath-1.2.0.0,../filepath-1.2.0.0/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/filepath/dist-install/doc/html/filepath/filepath.haddock --read-interface=../hpc-0.5.0.6,../hpc-0.5.0.6/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/hpc/dist-install/doc/html/hpc/hpc.haddock --read-interface=../old-time-1.0.0.6,../old-time-1.0.0.6/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/old-tim < 1293766385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e/dist-install/doc/html/old-time/old-time.haddock --read-interface=../process-1.0.1.4,../process-1.0.1.4/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/process/dist-install/doc/html/process/process.haddock --read-interface=../template-haskell-2.5.0.0,../template-haskell-2.5.0.0/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/template-haskell/dist-install/doc/html/template-haskell/template-haskell.haddock --read-interface=../unix-2.4.1.0,../unix- < 1293766387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4.1.0/src/%{MODULE/./-}.html\#%{NAME},libraries/unix/dist-install/doc/html/unix/unix.haddock --optghc=-H32m --optghc=-O --optghc=-package-name --optghc=ghc-7.0.1 --optghc=-hide-all-packages --optghc=-i --optghc=-icompiler/basicTypes --optghc=-icompiler/cmm --optghc=-icompiler/codeGen --optghc=-icompiler/coreSyn --optghc=-icompiler/deSugar --optghc=-icompiler/ghci --optghc=-icompiler/hsSyn --optghc=-icompiler/iface --optghc=-icompile < 1293766389 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't decide if the title text or the comic itself is stupider. but i know i don't care to look at again to try to decide < 1293766389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r/llvmGen --optghc=-icompiler/main --optghc=-icompiler/nativeGen --optghc=-icompiler/parser --optghc=-icompiler/prelude --optghc=-icompiler/profiling --optghc=-icompiler/rename --optghc=-icompiler/simplCore --optghc=-icompiler/simplStg --optghc=-icompiler/specialise --optghc=-icompiler/stgSyn --optghc=-icompiler/stranal --optghc=-icompiler/typecheck --optghc=-icompiler/types --optghc=-icompiler/utils --optghc=-icompiler/vectorise --op < 1293766391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tghc=-icompiler/stage2/build --optghc=-icompiler/stage2/build/autogen --optghc=-Icompiler/stage2/build --optghc=-Icompiler/stage2/build/autogen --optghc=-Icompiler/../libffi/build/include --optghc=-Icompiler/stage2 --optghc=-Icompiler/../libraries/base/cbits --optghc=-Icompiler/../libraries/base/include --optghc=-Icompiler/. --optghc=-Icompiler/parser --optghc=-Icompiler/utils --optghc=-optP-DGHCI --optghc=-optP-include --optghc=-optP < 1293766393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler/stage2/build/autogen/cabal_macros.h --optghc=-package --optghc=Cabal-1.10.0.0 --optghc=-package --optghc=array-0.3.0.2 --optghc=-package --optghc=base-4.3.0.0 --optghc=-package --optghc=bin-package-db-0.0.0.0 --optghc=-package --optghc=bytestring-0.9.1.8 --optghc=-package --optghc=containers-0.4.0.0 --optghc=-package --optghc=directory-1.1.0.0 --optghc=-package --optghc=filepath-1.2.0.0 --optghc=-package --optghc=hpc-0.5.0.6 < 1293766395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--optghc=-package --optghc=old-time-1.0.0.6 --optghc=-package --optghc=process-1.0.1.4 --optghc=-package --optghc=template-haskell-2.5.0.0 --optghc=-package --optghc=unix-2.4.1.0 --optghc=-Wall --optghc=-fno-warn-name-shadowing --optghc=-fno-warn-orphans --optghc=-XCPP --optghc=-XMagicHash --optghc=-XUnboxedTuples --optghc=-XPatternGuards --optghc=-XForeignFunctionInterface --optghc=-XEmptyDataDecls --optghc=-XTypeSynonymInstances --o < 1293766397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptghc=-XMultiParamTypeClasses --optghc=-XFlexibleInstances --optghc=-XRank2Types --optghc=-XScopedTypeVariables --optghc=-XDeriveDataTypeable --optghc=-DGHCI_TABLES_NEXT_TO_CODE --optghc=-DSTAGE=2 --optghc=-no-user-package-conf --optghc=-rtsopts --optghc=-O2 --optghc=-odir --optghc=compiler/stage2/build --optghc=-hidir --optghc=compiler/stage2/build --optghc=-stubdir --optghc=compiler/stage2/build --optghc=-hisuf --optghc=hi --optghc= < 1293766399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-osuf --optghc=o --optghc=-hcsuf --optghc=hc --source-module=src/%{MODULE/./-}.html --source-entity=src/%{MODULE/./-}.html#%{NAME} --optghc=-DSTAGE=2 compiler/nativeGen/AsmCodeGen.lhs compiler/nativeGen/TargetReg.hs compiler/nativeGen/NCGMonad.hs compiler/nativeGen/Instruction.hs compiler/nativeGen/Size.hs compiler/nativeGen/Reg.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegClass.hs compiler/nativeGen/PIC.hs compiler/nativeGen/Platform.hs compil < 1293766401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er/nativeGen/Alpha/Regs.hs compiler/nativeGen/Alpha/RegInfo.hs compiler/nativeGen/Alpha/Instr.hs compiler/nativeGen/Alpha/CodeGen.hs compiler/nativeGen/X86/Regs.hs compiler/nativeGen/X86/RegInfo.hs compiler/nativeGen/X86/Instr.hs compiler/nativeGen/X86/Cond.hs compiler/nativeGen/X86/Ppr.hs compiler/nativeGen/X86/CodeGen.hs compiler/nativeGen/PPC/Regs.hs compiler/nativeGen/PPC/RegInfo.hs compiler/nativeGen/PPC/Instr.hs com < 1293766403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piler/nativeGen/PPC/Cond.hs compiler/nativeGen/PPC/Ppr.hs compiler/nativeGen/PPC/CodeGen.hs compiler/nativeGen/SPARC/Base.hs compiler/nativeGen/SPARC/Regs.hs compiler/nativeGen/SPARC/RegPlate.hs compiler/nativeGen/SPARC/Imm.hs compiler/nativeGen/SPARC/AddrMode.hs 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compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Graph/ArchBase.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Graph/ArchX86.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Graph/Coalesce.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Graph/Spill.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Graph/SpillClean.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Graph/SpillCost.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Graph/TrivColorable.hs compiler/nativeGe < 1293766409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/RegAlloc/Linear/Main.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Linear/JoinToTargets.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Linear/State.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Linear/Stats.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Linear/FreeRegs.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Linear/StackMap.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Linear/Base.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Linear/X86/FreeRegs.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAlloc/Linear/PPC/FreeRegs.hs compiler/nativeGen/RegAl < 1293766410 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i wish i could kick < 1293766411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:compiler/llvmGen/LlvmCodeGen/CodeGen.hs compiler/llvmGen/LlvmCodeGen/Data.hs compiler/llvmGen/LlvmCodeGen/Ppr.hs compiler/llvmGen/LlvmCodeGen/Regs.hs compiler/llvmGen/LlvmMangler.hs compiler/basicTypes/MkId.lhs compiler/basicTypes/Module.lhs compiler/basicTypes/Name.lhs compiler/basicTypes/NameEnv.lhs compiler/basicTypes/NameSet.lhs compiler/basicTypes/OccName.lhs compiler/basicTypes/RdrName.lhs compiler/basicTypes/SrcLoc. < 1293766417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lhs compiler/basicTypes/UniqSupply.lhs compiler/basicTypes/Unique.lhs compiler/basicTypes/Var.lhs compiler/basicTypes/VarEnv.lhs compiler/basicTypes/VarSet.lhs compiler/cmm/BlockId.hs compiler/cmm/CLabel.hs compiler/cmm/Cmm.hs compiler/cmm/CmmBrokenBlock.hs compiler/cmm/CmmBuildInfoTables.hs compiler/cmm/CmmCPS.hs compiler/cmm/CmmCPSGen.hs compiler/cmm/CmmCPSZ.hs compiler/cmm/CmmCallConv.hs compiler/cmm/CmmCommonBlockEl < 1293766419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imZ.hs 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compiler/codeGen/StgCmmGran.hs compiler/codeGen/StgCmmHeap.hs compiler/codeGen/StgCmmHpc.hs compiler/codeGen/StgCmmLayout.hs compiler/codeGen/StgCmmMonad.hs compiler/codeGen/StgCmmPrim.hs compiler/codeGen/StgCmmProf.hs compiler/codeGen/StgCmmTicky.hs compiler/codeGen/StgCmmUtils.hs compiler/codeGen/ClosureInfo.lhs compiler/codeGen/CodeGen.lhs compiler/codeGen/SMRep.lhs compiler/coreSyn/CoreArity.lhs compiler/coreSyn/Core < 1293766428 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF http://www.itv.com/news/100-car-pile-up-in-usa67788/ < 1293766429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FVs.lhs compiler/coreSyn/CoreLint.lhs compiler/coreSyn/CorePrep.lhs compiler/coreSyn/CoreSubst.lhs compiler/coreSyn/CoreSyn.lhs compiler/coreSyn/CoreTidy.lhs compiler/coreSyn/CoreUnfold.lhs compiler/coreSyn/CoreUtils.lhs compiler/coreSyn/ExternalCore.lhs compiler/coreSyn/MkCore.lhs compiler/coreSyn/MkExternalCore.lhs compiler/coreSyn/PprCore.lhs compiler/coreSyn/PprExternalCore.lhs 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compiler/hsSyn/HsDoc.hs compiler/hsSyn/HsExpr.lhs compiler/hsSyn/HsImpExp.lhs compiler/hsSyn/HsLit.lhs compiler/hsSyn/HsPat.lhs compiler/hsSyn/HsSyn.lhs compiler/hsSyn/HsTypes.lhs compiler/hsSyn/HsUtils.lhs compiler/iface/BinIface.hs compiler/iface/BuildTyCl.lhs compiler/iface/IfaceEnv.lhs compiler/iface/IfaceSyn.lhs compiler/iface/IfaceType.lhs compiler/iface/LoadIface.lhs compiler/iface/ < 1293766433 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an asshole < 1293766435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MkIface.lhs compiler/iface/TcIface.lhs compiler/main/Annotations.lhs compiler/main/BreakArray.hs compiler/main/CmdLineParser.hs compiler/main/CodeOutput.lhs compiler/stage2/build/Config.hs compiler/main/Constants.lhs compiler/main/DriverMkDepend.hs compiler/main/DriverPhases.hs compiler/main/DriverPipeline.hs compiler/main/DynFlags.hs compiler/main/ErrUtils.lhs compiler/main/Finder.lhs compiler/main/GHC.hs compiler/main < 1293766437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/HeaderInfo.hs compiler/main/HscMain.lhs compiler/main/HscStats.lhs compiler/main/HscTypes.lhs compiler/main/InteractiveEval.hs compiler/main/PackageConfig.hs compiler/main/Packages.lhs compiler/main/PprTyThing.hs compiler/main/StaticFlags.hs compiler/main/StaticFlagParser.hs compiler/main/SysTools.lhs compiler/main/TidyPgm.lhs compiler/parser/Ctype.lhs compiler/parser/HaddockUtils.hs compiler/parser/LexCore.hs compiler < 1293766439 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASKAL? < 1293766439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/parser/Lexer.hs compiler/types/OptCoercion.lhs compiler/parser/Parser.hs compiler/parser/ParserCore.hs compiler/parser/ParserCoreUtils.hs compiler/parser/RdrHsSyn.lhs compiler/prelude/ForeignCall.lhs compiler/prelude/PrelInfo.lhs compiler/prelude/PrelNames.lhs compiler/prelude/PrelRules.lhs compiler/prelude/PrimOp.lhs compiler/prelude/TysPrim.lhs compiler/prelude/TysWiredIn.lhs compiler/profiling/CostCentre.lhs compiler < 1293766441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/profiling/SCCfinal.lhs compiler/rename/RnBinds.lhs compiler/rename/RnEnv.lhs compiler/rename/RnExpr.lhs compiler/rename/RnHsDoc.hs compiler/rename/RnHsSyn.lhs compiler/rename/RnNames.lhs compiler/rename/RnPat.lhs compiler/rename/RnSource.lhs compiler/rename/RnTypes.lhs compiler/simplCore/CoreMonad.lhs compiler/simplCore/CSE.lhs compiler/simplCore/FloatIn.lhs compiler/simplCore/FloatOut.lhs compiler/simplCore/LiberateCas < 1293766443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.lhs compiler/simplCore/OccurAnal.lhs compiler/simplCore/SAT.lhs compiler/simplCore/SetLevels.lhs compiler/simplCore/SimplCore.lhs compiler/simplCore/SimplEnv.lhs compiler/simplCore/SimplMonad.lhs compiler/simplCore/SimplUtils.lhs compiler/simplCore/Simplify.lhs compiler/simplStg/SRT.lhs compiler/simplStg/SimplStg.lhs compiler/simplStg/StgStats.lhs compiler/specialise/Rules.lhs compiler/specialise/SpecConstr.lhs compile < 1293766445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r/specialise/Specialise.lhs compiler/stgSyn/CoreToStg.lhs compiler/stgSyn/StgLint.lhs compiler/stgSyn/StgSyn.lhs compiler/stranal/DmdAnal.lhs compiler/stranal/WorkWrap.lhs compiler/stranal/WwLib.lhs compiler/typecheck/FamInst.lhs compiler/typecheck/Inst.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcAnnotations.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcArrows.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcBinds.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcClassDcl.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcDefaults.lhs < 1293766447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : compiler/typecheck/TcDeriv.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcEnv.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcExpr.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcForeign.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcGenDeriv.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcHsSyn.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcHsType.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcInstDcls.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcMType.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcMatches.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcPat.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcRnDriver.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcRnMonad.lhs compiler/ < 1293766449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typecheck/TcRnTypes.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcRules.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcSimplify.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcErrors.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcTyClsDecls.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcTyDecls.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcType.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcUnify.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcInteract.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcCanonical.lhs compiler/typecheck/TcSMonad.lhs compiler/types/Class.lhs compiler/types/Coercion.lhs compiler/types/FamIn < 1293766451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stEnv.lhs compiler/types/FunDeps.lhs compiler/types/Generics.lhs compiler/types/InstEnv.lhs compiler/types/TyCon.lhs compiler/types/Type.lhs compiler/types/TypeRep.lhs compiler/types/Unify.lhs compiler/utils/Bag.lhs compiler/utils/Binary.hs compiler/utils/BufWrite.hs compiler/utils/Digraph.lhs compiler/utils/Encoding.hs compiler/utils/FastBool.lhs compiler/utils/FastFunctions.lhs compiler/utils/FastMutInt.lhs compiler/ < 1293766453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utils/FastString.lhs compiler/utils/FastTypes.lhs compiler/stage2/build/Fingerprint.hs compiler/utils/FiniteMap.lhs compiler/utils/GraphBase.hs compiler/utils/GraphColor.hs compiler/utils/GraphOps.hs compiler/utils/GraphPpr.hs compiler/utils/IOEnv.hs compiler/utils/Interval.hs compiler/utils/ListSetOps.lhs compiler/utils/Maybes.lhs compiler/utils/MonadUtils.hs compiler/utils/OrdList.lhs compiler/utils/Outputable.lhs com < 1293766455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piler/utils/Panic.lhs compiler/utils/Pretty.lhs compiler/utils/Serialized.hs compiler/utils/State.hs compiler/utils/StringBuffer.lhs compiler/utils/UniqFM.lhs compiler/utils/UniqSet.lhs compiler/utils/Util.lhs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Builtins/Base.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Builtins/Initialise.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Builtins/Modules.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Builtins/Prelude.hs compiler/vectorise/V < 1293766457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ectorise/Builtins.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Monad/Base.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Monad/Naming.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Monad/Local.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Monad/Global.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Monad/InstEnv.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Monad.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Utils/Base.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Utils/Closure.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Utils/Hoisting.hs compiler/v < 1293766458 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks he accidentally copy/pasted and now can't stop it
< 1293766459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ectorise/Vectorise/Utils/PADict.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Utils/PRDict.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Utils/Poly.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Utils.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Type/Env.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Type/Repr.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Type/PData.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Type/PRepr.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Type/PADict.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Type/PRDict.hs compiler/v < 1293766461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ectorise/Vectorise/Type/Type.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Type/TyConDecl.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Type/Classify.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Convert.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Vect.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Var.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Env.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise/Exp.hs compiler/vectorise/Vectorise.hs < 1293766463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1293766465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1293766467 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks he accidentally copy/pasted and now can't stop it
< 1293766467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had no idea how long that would be < 1293766469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just copied one compilation line to mock ghc < 1293766471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ < 1293766473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it doing < 1293766480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, there's always ways to stop copy/paste < 1293766486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if that spammed < 1293766491 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, force disconnect < 1293766498 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even /part won't stop it < 1293766502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow that is a lot of lines, i didn't even look that far back < 1293766509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1293766510 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't decide if the title text or the comic itself is stupider. but i know i don't care to look at again to try to decide < 1293766515 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, xkcd is not always accurate - for example the tic-tac-toe one had errors in the drawings < 1293766518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: < 1293766519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: elliott, xkcd is not always accurate - for example the tic-tac-toe one had errors in the drawings < 1293766521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i saw it :) < 1293766528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I wouldn't mind, if only it was funny < 1293766543 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, blasphemer < 1293766548 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dare call xkcd NOT funny ? < 1293766558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yeah ... it really isn't < 1293766561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great before comic 400. < 1293766564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwards, not so much so. < 1293766568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately, absolute crap. < 1293766572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs FOOD
< 1293766575 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope - that's a cognitive bias < 1293766577 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEED ME < 1293766582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: lol < 1293766584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: seriously? < 1293766586 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, awesome movie < 1293766588 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* play < 1293766589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that how you respond to criticism of work? < 1293766592 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, hmm? < 1293766596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You DON'T LIKE XKCD? It's because your brain's broken." < 1293766601 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope < 1293766610 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you missed what I as refering to as the bias < 1293766614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think... I accidentally made a reference of some kind. < 1293766617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that it's getting worse? < 1293766624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like i'm the only person to notice that. whenever they started reading. < 1293766628 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, WTF did I reference? < 1293766629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly obvious that randall is running out of ideas. < 1293766630 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is correct in this case though. everyone knows xkcd just isn't as good as it once was < 1293766648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because a lot of observations about "THE GOOD OL' DAYS" are false doesn't make them universally false. < 1293766680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I hadn't already seen them, I guarantee you I could accurately sort, say, comics 550 and onwards from comics 350 and before (ignoring the ones in the middle as being part of a decline and so harder to categorise) with high accuracy < 1293766686 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sort of. you remember the earlier good ones and forget the earlier bad ones. I'll bet that if you were to go thru them all in a random order and mark them good and bad the distribution would be roughly the same < 1293766696 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think he was saying it sucked before too < 1293766711 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i disagree < 1293766725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I doubt it: < 1293766730 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have done this experiment < 1293766732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:35 variable: elliott, blasphemer < 1293766732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:35 variable: you dare call xkcd NOT funny ? < 1293766734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok he could be joking < 1293766738 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was a joke :-} < 1293766740 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there were a lot more good ones then than there are now < 1293766741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1293766743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell < 1293766745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some xkcd fans < 1293766759 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'll mark jokes with :-) if a I remember for now on - ok ? :-) < 1293766767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just mark every line with :) < 1293766767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1293766769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: but no, xkcd really _has_ decreased in quality. i say this as someone who is almost to the point of paranoia with checking their own cognitive biases < 1293766810 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the only way to really tell that would be to perform some kind of randomized ordering and rating of a representative sample of the comic < 1293766868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it is, in fact, possible to derive accurate results _without_ always performing the most anal procedure. < 1293766877 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as an aside its been showing that being aware of cognitive biases and specifically attempting to avoid them might increase their likelyhood of affecting a person btw) < 1293766883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans are capable of quite good rational thought if self-analysed to a sufficient degree. < 1293766906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if variable is a Less Wronger.
< 1293766919 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less Wronger ? < 1293766944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesswrong.com/. < 1293766964 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for something where I'm more attracted to someone if I know they've had a rough past? < 1293766994 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, "Little Shop of Horrors" < 1293766998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: being Sgeo < 1293767002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: lol i like the timing of that < 1293767005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:42 Sgeo: Is there a name for something where I'm more attracted to someone if I know they've had a rough past? < 1293767006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:42 variable: Sgeo, "Little Shop of Horrors" < 1293767027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Is there a name for something where I'm more attracted to someone if I know they've had a rough past? Sgeo, "Little Shop of Horrors" < 1293767028 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :260) Is there a name for something where I'm more attracted to someone if I know they've had a rough past? Sgeo, "Little Shop of Horrors" < 1293767068 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've not seen that blog before < 1293767095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. < 1293767108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides that Slava has his head in the sand about modules and about capability security
< 1293767119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb. < 1293767128 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've not seen that blog before < 1293767135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: strange. < 1293767136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1293767141 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something particular about what I said that made you think of that? < 1293767147 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so is it positive or negative ? < 1293767150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re cognitive biases < 1293767152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just curiosity < 1293767159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now really brb, stop talking to me! :) < 1293767181 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, talk < 1293767182 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk < 1293767183 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk < 1293767613 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293767714 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293769098 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1293769165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMMXle. < 1293769171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MMXIe. < 1293769300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011e? < 1293769326 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me that's not the new D&D edition < 1293769336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMMXIe is the new Google logo. < 1293769365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? I don't see it < 1293769472 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's New Years eve where you are, so < 1293769503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1293769517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.google.co.uk/logos/2010/newyear11-hp.jpg < 1293770543 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it new year already < 1293770583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: no < 1293770587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: nother 19 hours for that < 1293770623 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Math#Usage <-- Cool formula for erfc < 1293770671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1293770713 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293770723 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. http://yfrog.com/h2m6wtj why? < 1293770738 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tattoos are daft, even if they are equations < 1293770750 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can they stay on? < 1293770753 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand that < 1293770761 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect them to at least disperse < 1293770857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: because of magic! < 1293770866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: hey that equation doesn't look tex typeset < 1293770876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I wouldn't get an equation tattooed on me (at all, but) unless it was set in AMS Euler! < 1293771199 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1293771235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah tattoos are lame. < 1293771265 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like.. bad to say it, because what if a person with a tattoo hears me - I don't want to upset them < 1293771278 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... what were they thinking < 1293771341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I think anyone who can withstand that sort of pain is hard enough to not get upset :-P < 1293771352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chirp.scratchr.org/dl/experimental/JsMorphic/morphic.html Smalltalk's Morphic ported to JS. This is great until Sgeo notices this message. < 1293771377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen in-browser Smalltalks before < 1293771386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I know little about Morphic < 1293771387 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy? < 1293771403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not in-browser Smalltalk, it's actual real Morphic. < 1293771407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without Smalltalk. < 1293771425 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really painful? < 1293771457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Morphic is pretty cool actually ... not sure the browser part is of any use though :P < 1293771801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/12/30/liberal-group-criticizes-christie-with-parody-website/ Since when is the existence of a parody website news? < 1293771861 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those damn liberals are at it again!! < 1293772214 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://vimeo.com/16754574 < 1293772245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't watch it i have a perfect mental image of conor mcbride < 1293772253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want to break it okay i pressed play omg no that's not what he sounds like < 1293772276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: more seriously i'll watch tomorrow when it's not 5am :) < 1293772332 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a perfect mental image of conor mcbride <-- hahaha < 1293772336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Randall Munroe has a beef with audiophiles < 1293772350 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293772369 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293772413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: eh? < 1293772416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most "audiophiles" are idiots. < 1293772423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are not. < 1293772466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only joke in the latest xkcd is too angry to be a joke < 1293772498 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who you calling an idiot! < 1293772528 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur just jelly of me listenin to flac vinyl rips on my grado headphones through this expensive ass setup < 1293772546 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1293772550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i bet you can distinguish lame -V2 --joint-stereo from flac too < 1293772552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FLAC from WAVs! < 1293772557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and WAVs from the CDs themselves < 1293772568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could swear I've heard "jelly" used in that context before < 1293772573 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can distinguish between different pressings of the same cd < 1293772574 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many audiophiles have perfect pitch? < 1293772586 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a: all of them < 1293772595 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's whatever pitch they say it is and i dare you to argue < 1293772595 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1293772603 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1293772609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: u jelly? < 1293772617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: the sane audiophiles are all at hydrogenaudio :p < 1293772627 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/838/ <-- LOL < 1293772641 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked that one < 1293772759 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because I RELATE TO IT ! < 1293772765 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen that meassage < 1293772785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it emails the sysadmin < 1293772787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you/root < 1293772795 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I ever tell you my sudo story? < 1293772833 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should put a label on it: Warning: May cause death by boredom
< 1293773002 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell! < 1293773244 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had two terminal windows open, one to the school and one for the computer I was using < 1293773263 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to sudo apt-get something, I think Chromium, but I was doing it at the wrong terminal < 1293773278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Figure out how to make cabal-install run "stow -v ghc" after installing/removing anything to redo the appropriate links. < 1293773280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realized it eventually, and sent the person in charge of that system a message < 1293773291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Figure out how to make cabal-install do copying and registering separately to integrate with stow. < 1293773300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Perhaps abandon this silly idea and just install into ~/.cabal like normal people do. < 1293773309 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: my brother plays muds a lot still < 1293773321 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was granted an immortal character with OLC access < 1293773324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother plays with mud < 1293773330 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what did it work or somethign? < 1293773335 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to often get mixed up with which character he was on < 1293773337 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it idn't < 1293773340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got annoyed < 1293773340 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he changed his immortal's prompt to be something like < 1293773347 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: annoyed at what < 1293773355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That my password wasn't working < 1293773370 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMMIMMIMMIMMIMMIMM < 1293773370 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanted to be root? < 1293773383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, so I could install Chromium! < 1293773390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Or maybe have stow stow packages separately. < 1293773391 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1293773400 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why did you say you have two terminals open? < 1293773406 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do wit hthis < 1293773408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Maybe redo the bootstrap with executable stripping. < 1293773414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: did it on the wrong terminal, got REPORTED < 1293773439 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to make a program not-crap with GTK < 1293773467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: wtf is root-cmd < 1293773468 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a slightly more interesting story < 1293773478 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: was that it? < 1293773491 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was the deadily boring story < 1293773507 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was that it? < 1293773511 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sent an email: End of story < 1293773513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1293773516 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1293773551 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So these numbskulls in class were playing with wall < 1293773583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play my head on wall < 1293773586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay bouncy < 1293773594 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I threaten to disable the next person who does so < 1293773600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just yes | write whoever) < 1293773608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't tell them that ofc < 1293773613 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I do so < 1293773629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person closes PuTTY, opens it again, and walls again < 1293773632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do so again < 1293773634 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. etc. < 1293773663 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the next thing I do, I write something stupid on the command line to do yes | write in an infinite loop < 1293773668 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1293773686 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next thing I know, people are complaining that the system's not working < 1293773690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing's happening < 1293773691 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1293773718 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone eventually reaches to turn off my computer, despite my protests that it wouldn't work. It did. < 1293773731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shell conncetion got dropped, duh. < 1293773732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*connection < 1293773760 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next class, we learn that someone was trying to work from home, couldn't, and complained < 1293773777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people who were using wall got in trouble. I did not. < 1293773807 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1293773813 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the one that caused all the problems < 1293773841 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and wall got disabled permanently < 1293773859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh, wall is still a problem. But yeah < 1293773934 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'splain yes | write? < 1293773957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spams yes to whoever's being written to < 1293773961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Spams y < 1293773971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, oops. Yeah < 1293774024 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that disable someone? < 1293774049 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they ae running yes in their own terminal < 1293774054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PuTTY does not like being spammed < 1293774059 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very hard to see what's gpoing on < 1293774065 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1293774071 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, I think it actually froze PuTTY < 1293774087 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just am unfamiliar with unix commands so i thought maybe it was doing something sly < 1293774090 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1293774110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sly as a faux < 1293774115 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was doing something y < 1293774340 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y so y < 1293774398 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293774498 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have sent them some BELs < 1293774722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293775273 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293775274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293775492 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293775493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293775718 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293776184 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ripped an arm off! < 1293776495 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063210.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1293776649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, I ripped an arm off, what should I do? < 1293776659 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1293776666 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293777007 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1293777019 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a game < 1293777031 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[off a chair] < 1293779533 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1293781032 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293782399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1293782400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1293783086 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293783638 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293783660 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.46.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293783855 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229184.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1293784550 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293785440 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293786436 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231048109.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1293787655 0 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293787656 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293788081 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1293788405 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-9-162.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293791185 0 :sftp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293791202 0 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293791386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust788.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293792251 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293792302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293792983 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1293793099 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293793114 0 :sftp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1293795157 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-9-162.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293795223 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293795278 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293795420 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-9-162.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293795656 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293795672 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293795979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that annoy me with eog: it blurs the image if you zoom in so that a pixel in the image covers more than one pixel on screen. < 1293796050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293797636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That annoys me too. Maybe there's some mysterious gconf flag that makes it do nearest-neighbor instead of filtering. < 1293798459 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1293799185 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok Ubuntu is like a devil it run in any computer... it works his way in to your computer and a demon takes control of your computer...what do I mean? < 1293799185 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen does cakes with cream felling that you like? Linux is the cream Inside thats what linux is and yes it should work in your in your computer.. < 1293799191 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love forums < 1293799320 0 :PEDRO-8B4ACF159!~PEDRO-8B4@host253-228-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1293799347 0 :PEDRO-8B4ACF159!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293800081 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1293801246 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293802458 0 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d93294dd.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293802659 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1293803865 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1293803986 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1293804218 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1293804581 0 :BMG!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1293804788 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1293804906 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1293804906 0 :BMG!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1293804911 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1293806339 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yieh < 1293806366 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like new years eve < 1293806897 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1293806989 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1293807029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes the paradox of variable learning haskell
< 1293807249 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293807299 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan what? < 1293807574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is purely functional, so everything is constant, not variable < 1293807583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sweeps some IORefs under the rug
< 1293807790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some STRefs, MVars and TVars < 1293807860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Newspeak's "module" system has spoiled me. Racket's makes me want to barf. < 1293807900 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm convinced that the Factor people have their head in the sand, unless they're planning to pull a Racket and have a centralized distribution source < 1293808025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now imagines a language named Ostrich
< 1293808113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally it would be based on ignoring all errors as long as possible < 1293808176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having a number of flawed design choices < 1293808228 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293808248 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293808249 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hrm.... < 1293808254 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that called Java ? < 1293808287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not aware of whether java ignores errors < 1293808306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never got much deeper than hello, world in it < 1293808339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the second part applies to everyone's favorite hate languages < 1293808347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(java, php, c++ ?) < 1293808369 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like C++ < 1293808378 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on flamesuit
< 1293808410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i hear it's a mess unless you work in a carefully restricted subset (and different people choose different subsets) < 1293808426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know php or c++ either
< 1293808478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i recall java's checked exceptions are supposedly so annoying that people _do_ tend to ignore them, so maybe it fits < 1293808539 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disliks the exception paradigm
< 1293808572 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty much a "goto" but in an if statement :-) < 1293808573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, a few (out of many) reasons that C++ is deeply flawed: templates sucking, multiple inheritance, operator++ overloading for ++x vs. x++, STL being crazy (especially the io stuff) < 1293808586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot more reasons why C++ sucks < 1293808591 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is very complicated < 1293808599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally haskell has _several_ variants of exception mechanisms, some purely functional and some not < 1293808599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, yes, and badly designed < 1293808624 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, templates are one of my fav. parts of C++, nothing is wrong with MI if you know what your doing; STL is crazy and I wish there were certain; blah blah blah < 1293808635 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to start this convo < 1293808637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the near-trivial Maybe monad up to IO exceptions < 1293808708 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paging coppro, paging coppro < 1293808733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a MonadError type class, i'm not quite sure if all the examples belong to it < 1293808743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, did you know that while C++ is not TC (nor is C) thanks to sizeof(void*) having to be finite, C++ templates are actually TC at compile time. < 1293808756 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes < 1293808761 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually - I did :-} < 1293808790 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, but its an interesting piece of knowledge (trivia?) < 1293808816 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that templates usually come with a maximum recursion depth to force them to terminate < 1293808847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, and that parsing C++ requires you to do syntax and semantic analysis in one pass since you will get ambiguous parse tree otherwise. < 1293808852 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a minimum of 16 -> but the standard allows infinite < 1293808853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, quite. < 1293808861 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yeah - its not context free < 1293808877 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's horrible < 1293808893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc's type system is also TC at compile time if you set the right extension flags < 1293808903 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong** :P < 1293808916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something like A B(C); parses differently depending on what a, b and c are. < 1293808933 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, exactly < 1293808934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that was the case already in C < 1293808949 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes quite. But also C++ adds a few more variants to that < 1293808979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, for example, myclass foo(42); Now that won't be a possible way to parse it in C since it has no constructors < 1293809010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1293809095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that they're going to introduce a new type kind in haskell to solve the newtype deriving inconsistencies < 1293809113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/haskell/ghc/ < 1293809116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype deriving inconsistencies? < 1293809172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ghc's newtype deriving extension is inconsistent with both the GADT and the type family extensions < 1293809194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can combine them in such a way as to convert any type to any other < 1293809210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, convert in what sort of way? < 1293809283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in such a way as to break type safety < 1293809297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right, but what will happen if you do it < 1293809303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, crash? < 1293809311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite likely < 1293809328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce vorpal :: Int < 1293809335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you convert an Int to a function type you would be able to jump to an arbitrary address < 1293809361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you could define unsafeCoerce :: a -> b with this, i think < 1293809373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1293809391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course unsafeCoerce _is_ already defined somewhere, but that's what the unsafe* prefixes are for) < 1293809396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, could you use this to get the bit pattern of a floating point value for example? < 1293809412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i would think so... < 1293809419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is there any other way to do that? < 1293809442 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, when I tell people in C++ channels that I'm using reinterpret_cast, and they yell at me, it's because they don't realize that's what I want to do < 1293809443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the RealFloat class has methods to get most of the information < 1293809444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I suddenly got an urge to do that famous inverse square function in haskell! < 1293809476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, squareroot < 1293809493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean integer square root? < 1293809498 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no < 1293809500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root < 1293809503 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newtons method one < 1293809507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the one famous from quake < 1293809527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with magic number and so on < 1293809539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1293809641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, surely you heard about it before < 1293809698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it vaguely rings a bell < 1293809713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially that strange constant thing < 1293809778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee how does this inconsistency work again < 1293809842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Trap a b where trap :: f a -> f b < 1293809873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Trap Int Int where trap = id < 1293809964 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconsistency? < 1293809978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype deriving < 1293809985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to google it
< 1293810085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/1496 < 1293810155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. Does anyone know if there is any good algorithms for uninlining? For a brainfuck compiler this could be an optimisation, trying to factor out code into functions. < 1293810872 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related to Common Subexpression Elimination? < 1293811172 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293811325 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1293811492 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1293811643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CEO of Active Worlds just rickrolled me < 1293812419 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293812563 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1293812750 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1293812805 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293813115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:12:49 I like C++ < 1293813117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: not for long < 1293813206 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1293813207 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ < 1293813417 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293813471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293813525 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293813902 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293814413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbwfg7kwca1qe2mq3o1_1280.png?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1293900774&Signature=tKmD48bMIwNvzV%2B55IbiF2gKWE0%3D /troll < 1293814999 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293815160 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1293815205 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@97-124-33-161.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293815210 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1293815244 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@97-124-33-161.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293815415 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181137060.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1293816400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1293816414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm told that AW telegrams are secure < 1293816422 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I instantly disbelieve it < 1293816435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I open Wireshark, send a test message, stop collecting < 1293816455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can't find the message in Wireshark. Doesn't prove that it's secure, but it's not plaintext like I was expecting < 1293816634 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can have all sorts of insecure encryption schemes... And those schemes look just as good in ciphertext as really secure ones. < 1293816715 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1293816897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, it's probably safer than email < 1293816931 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculating the total entropy of message blocks doesn't tell much either. Both good and bad encryption can have high entropy. < 1293816954 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, tbh, I can't even isolate the packets, I don't know how and not going to try < 1293817192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: What is the future of open source? A: Nagware! http://i.imgur.com/GJhbS.png < 1293817197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seen when starting Transmission for the second time. < 1293817198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame. < 1293817211 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you can't even find the packets, does that mean they use telepathy? < 1293817383 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293818169 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I mean I have so much other stuff running, and AW sends so many other packets, etc, I wouldn't know where to start < 1293818187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, standing there, I should only have been receiving packets other than the telegram, not sending < 1293818224 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION carefully watches a blind Braid Let's Play
< 1293818243 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solved worlds 2-4 < 1293818444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees World 4's hunt in a thumbnail :D
< 1293818624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: TIME FOR HORROR < 1293818865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hora horroris < 1293819062 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at the player... he accidentally managed to do something I completely failed at multiple times
< 1293820350 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what horror? < 1293820355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: KITTEN < 1293820384 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, O GOD KITTENS AAAAAAA < 1293820402 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, my father was eaten by rampaging kittens.) < 1293820416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: And INIT SYSTEMS < 1293820438 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he wasn't eaten by any of them. < 1293820465 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INIT SYSTEMS EAT PARENTS! < 1293820477 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do, even though they may not have eaten yours < 1293820492 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, THAT IS INSENSITIVE < 1293820520 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1293820553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words: never get children of your own < 1293820581 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least: never expose yourself to init systems after getting children < 1293820600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, tricky in this modern world of computers < 1293820637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait.... AHA! So *that* is how they plan to take over. < 1293820646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix, terminator. they were all wrong < 1293820665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just use windows < 1293820665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, they are going to scare humans into not having children < 1293820668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no init system! < 1293820670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of. < 1293820678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it has an init system of some sort. Not a /sbin/init sure < 1293820685 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if windows has no init system, how does it start? < 1293820709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: badl < 1293820710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1293820711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but there is something that checks and mounts filesystem, starts services and so on < 1293820735 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows' "Services" seem to be kind of the corresponding thing, winlogon does some more stuff < 1293820780 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think basic system startup like mounting filesystems is done before any of that < 1293820982 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293821326 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181137060.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1293821479 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293821521 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering getting a new laptop. Any suggestions? < 1293821527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: MacBook Air :-P < 1293821533 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OTHER THAN THAT < 1293821548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: BUY A SONY LOLZ < 1293821575 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not biased or anything, it's just that the rest of my family are firm members of the Holy Church of Mac and I don't want to let them think I've come back into the fold. < 1293821588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: That's why you put Linux on it. Duh. < 1293821600 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they wouldn't care! < 1293821610 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, specs are a little low for my liking. < 1293821618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Preferably use a tiling window manager, semitransparent terminals with tiny, unantialised green text over inane anime wallpaper, and LOTS AND LOTS OF NCURSES PROGRAMS. < 1293821628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Which specs? < 1293821641 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacBook Air. < 1293821646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Yes, but which specs in particular. < 1293821650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GPU is probably the second-best integrated graphics out there, which isn't bad if you ask me. < 1293821657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually recommend the MBA since it's hideously expensive :P < 1293821662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm curious which specs you think are low. < 1293821675 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are you poking fun at with the tiling window manager thing, BtW, < 1293821680 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1293821698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Umm, the kind of people who do that. < 1293821702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly Arch users nowadays. < 1293821706 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1293821738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of people who put a bunch of useless system performance statistics on their desktop because it looks MINIMALIST because it, totally has a transparent background, man. < 1293821740 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1293821748 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293821770 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, that. < 1293821807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should put Ubuntu on this soon. < 1293821898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: So what specs are low? < 1293821900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legitimately curious :p < 1293821922 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm. Clock speed, although I know it doesn't matter very much. RAM. < 1293821936 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using my current, dirt-cheap laptop as a baseline. < 1293821936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, while *nix permissions are rather limited, they have the advantage of being simple. < 1293821961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: 2.1 GHz of a recent Core 2 Duo ain't bad at all. As you said, clock speed is irrelevant -- I really wish they had never advertised it at all, ever. BTW, my previous laptop was 1.3 GHz and you wouldn't notice. < 1293821962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good when it comes to security IMO. < 1293821962 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not dirt cheap, but a third of the price of an Air. < 1293821971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: RAM -- I have 4 gigs. < 1293821973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(harder to get it wrong) < 1293821981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think you'll find 8 gigs on a consumer laptop with more than 2 minutes of battery life any time soon. < 1293821983 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I must have been looking at different specs... < 1293821994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: You were probably looking at the 11 inch version, or looking at the uncustomised 13 inch version. < 1293822000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: You have to up the specs before ordering :-P < 1293822006 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite probably. Price? < 1293822011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Um, £expensive. < 1293822025 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't HAVE £expensive! < 1293822033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I upped the RAM to 4 gigs and the SSD to 256 gigs and it came out to somewhere just under one-and-a-half kilo-monetary-units. < 1293822046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr WHOO THIS THING IS GONNA LAST ME A DECADE < 1293822077 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<2020 elliott> MY LAPTOP IS ON FIRE < 1293822086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIRE IS THE APPLE WAY < 1293822103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: But, yes, the unupgraded Air is kind of silly what with its 2 gigs. < 1293822118 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, INDEED < 1293822145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: If you're okay with a 128 gig SSD, you can get a 4 gig air for £1,179 apparently. < 1293822153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, that's with the lower clock speed. < 1293822160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I also upped the clock from 1.86 to 2.1 GHz, btw. < 1293822166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my defence, it has more cache. < 1293822186 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't care! I have an aversion to spending monies! < 1293822193 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Scrooger < 1293822205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger: Buy a ThinkPad! It costs slightly less than £expensive! < 1293822213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed: £expensive-minus-epsilon! < 1293822222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, it'll run Debian until Lenovo finally fuck it up for good. < 1293822230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In, say, five minutes.) < 1293822288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Writing to argc -- am I a bad person? < 1293822653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WRITES A SHELL
< 1293822660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need to know why you do it first < 1293822671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to avoid allocating another integer < 1293822674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the stack < 1293822675 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, his own nefarious purposes, clearly. < 1293822683 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't do that! < 1293822688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger: WHY NOT MWAHAHAHA < 1293822693 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use argv[0]! < 1293822698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, shouldn't the compiler be able to optimise that by a simple variable liveness analysis? < 1293822705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger: that's not int-sized :P < 1293822718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's gcc, i don't trust it to optimise its way out of a paper bag < 1293822724 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK, use the high dword! < 1293822747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need names for hell that aren't hades or nether < 1293822763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe naraka < 1293822772 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(LP64 IS THE ONLY TRUE 64-BIT SIZE SCHEME) < 1293822777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell -> sFOO < 1293822784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferno < 1293822795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger: Psht, I use SLP64. Ints are of course 16-bit. < 1293822807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chars are 32-bits. < 1293822815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long longs are 9 bits. < 1293822827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sinferno? :D < 1293822840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1293822847 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Malebolge! < 1293822849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm writing a shell < 1293822853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: s hell < 1293822855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s inferno < 1293822856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinferno < 1293822857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Scrooger: Psht, I use SLP64. Ints are of course 16-bit. <-- as awesome as that would be, I'm afraid C does not allow it < 1293822860 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293822864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1293822866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: C doesn't allow plenty of things that people do :P < 1293822875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: styx? < 1293822880 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalebolge < 1293822884 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tartarus! < 1293822885 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293822887 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Startarus! < 1293822888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not precisely hell, but close enough < 1293822893 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selysium! < 1293822893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.zymondo.com/georgekeys/00Pics/StyxBabe.jpg < 1293822898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I never heard about anyone breaking the rules it put down on char/short/int/long sizes :P < 1293822910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might go with hades actually < 1293822911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shades < 1293822923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, now even Greeks can use it! < 1293822932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pretend it refers to all the different shades of horror this shell gives. < 1293822948 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: retrieved from swap < 1293822965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m? < 1293822995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: EXAMPLE SHADES CODE < 1293823004 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you were paging me < 1293823005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo \ \ x < 1293823007 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't resist a pun < 1293823008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the same as the sh code < 1293823011 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that looks like perl 6 < 1293823013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo ' ' '' x < 1293823021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh < 1293823022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE RULES ARE SIMPLE < 1293823026 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* * *** ** * ** * * * * * ** ** **** ** ** ** ** * < 1293823030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ followed by anything adds that char to the current command < 1293823039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything but a space adds that char to the current command < 1293823043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space moves on to the next command < 1293823045 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is this a shell in the same sense as /bin/sh? < 1293823048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1293823049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excep < 1293823050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1293823054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be used as /bin/sh < 1293823059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant for writing simple init scrpts < 1293823060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scripts < 1293823066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid the slowness of /bin/sh :D < 1293823075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ahahahaha < 1293823075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fefe did it, so I can! < 1293823079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FEFE DID IT SO I CAN < 1293823082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fefe? < 1293823088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of dietlibc fame. < 1293823096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also will it integrate into init then, or how will you make it fast < 1293823105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by doing less obvs < 1293823112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvs? < 1293823115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1293823117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fefe's is called serdo < 1293823147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serdo has a bit of bloat though, it can do "cd" and "export" < 1293823159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cd is probably a good idea < 1293823166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes :P < 1293823166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I doubt that adds much if it isn't used < 1293823172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll make every assignment an export < 1293823173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo=x < 1293823201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in fact you need cd if you plan to handle any sort of daemon that wants to be chrooted < 1293823216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well yes. note that init scripts aren't services < 1293823231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact most services will probably have their "run" linked to an actual command plus a "params" file with parameters to it < 1293823233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh so this is not for starting daemons? < 1293823238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(idea to avoid pointless shell invocations stolen from fefe's minit) < 1293823239 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but rather, for the stuff before that? < 1293823245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the fsck and so ojn < 1293823246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on* < 1293823247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, /etc/rc/start. < 1293823255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course it might still be useful for starting daemons in a lot of cases. < 1293823551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone please move the ctrl key on my keyboard to somewhere I can press without getting RSI. < 1293823555 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/12/31/1254208/One-Tip-Enough-To-Put-Name-On-Terrorist-Watch-List?from=rss < 1293823568 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am tempted to go tip them off about the director of DHS being a potential terrorist or something < 1293823579 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a republican senator nobody's heard of < 1293823696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow. < 1293823705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs is so much nicer when you bind ctrl to the key right next to your spacebar. < 1293823709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. alt on pc, cmd on mac. < 1293823761 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just bind it to caps lock. < 1293823875 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1293823882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim doesn't bind meta by default, does it? < 1293823901 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293823915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293823983 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293823987 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim doesn't bind meta by default, does it? < 1293823998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well meta = esc < 1293823999 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293824007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as vim is concerned < 1293824015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger: caps lock as ctrl is not really ergonomic < 1293824034 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh what < 1293824035 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's all right. < 1293824045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: uh yes. < 1293824048 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh no < 1293824056 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, far less hand movement needed. < 1293824073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: whoops look at that i denied accepted UNIX-WIZZARD wisdom i must be wrong < 1293824076 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293824079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to say uh no condescendingly < 1293824082 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not if you have your thumb over it, < 1293824085 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1293824093 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the meta key is absolutely different from the escape key in vim < 1293824094 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293824098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh /that/ < 1293824104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not as far as terminals are concerned, lol. < 1293824107 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just verified this experimentally < 1293824108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Alt+x sends ^[x < 1293824111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESC sends ^[ < 1293824118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, vim waits a short amount of time before accepting esc < 1293824125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try pressing esc and then another key really quickly < 1293824128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also how it handles arrow keys. < 1293824163 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293824780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht, serdo is more ADVANCED than my script < 1293824791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has quotes and all < 1293824830 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serdo? < 1293824994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger: this thing < 1293825003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ARG_MAX based on the sum of the arg lengths, or is it just the number of max args? < 1293825020 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter, I should think. < 1293825037 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, nowhere does it say that argv must be contiguous. < 1293825134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger: I think it's the former, actually. < 1293825141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since people refer to it as kilobytes. < 1293825150 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, size of argv? < 1293825158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger: Size of all the arguments together. < 1293825159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1293825163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows. < 1293825199 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293825296 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293825578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maximum length of argument to the exec functions including environment data." < 1293825591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is how POSIX defines it.) < 1293825708 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So size of argv. < 1293825726 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, argv+envp < 1293825777 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, the value is typically ASCII + 64 < 1293825785 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0 = ^@ < 1293825790 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest go from there < 1293825840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that's for ctrl. < 1293825843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about meta < 1293825846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, were. < 1293825858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's kind of weird, since argv is really just an array of random pointers. < 1293825865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might just mean that < 1293825877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to test by measuring i guess but i'm laz < 1293825878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1293825998 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293826238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: p.s. static linking speeds bootup < 1293826290 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG, bootup speed? HOORAY < 1293826294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YES I KNOW < 1293826299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Small victories, my friend. < 1293826301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small victories! < 1293826308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (I'm really just trollin' Vorpal) < 1293826586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1293826590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't this output appearing after a fork() < 1293826684 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293826819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger: fix my porgram < 1293826874 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, humbug! < 1293826963 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My biggest concern with Newspeak is that it might be a headache to write small programs < 1293826970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick hacks, etc < 1293826984 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, my biggest concern with Newspeak is that you haven't shut up about it. < 1293827360 0 :shutup!~shutup@91.105.67.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293827365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So what's your current language obsession again? < 1293827432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Mm? < 1293827465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293827483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1293827570 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293827577 0 :shutup!~shutup@91.105.67.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293827580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some things about Racket are getting on my nerves. Well, one thing about Racket. But the thing is, it's something that's been praised < 1293827581 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Racket! < 1293827599 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newspeak < 1293827599 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Newspeak! < 1293827603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf < 1293827608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asdf < 1293827613 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk < 1293827613 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Smalltalk! < 1293827615 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor < 1293827616 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Factor! < 1293827620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda < 1293827632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL < 1293827635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1293827644 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python < 1293827645 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you seriously liked Agda? < 1293827650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Scrooger, no < 1293827665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just testing elliott's bot < 1293827713 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme < 1293827714 0 :Phantom_Scrooger!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo_exceptnotre < 1293827717 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSL < 1293827721 0 :Sgeo_exceptnotre!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk < 1293827722 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Smalltalk! < 1293827724 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds < 1293827729 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1293827733 0 :Sgeo_exceptnotre!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor. < 1293827733 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Factor! < 1293827748 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293827752 0 :shutup!~shutup@91.105.67.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293827759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds < 1293827760 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Active Worlds! < 1293827760 0 :Sgeo_exceptnotre!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActiveWorlds < 1293827773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF-RLE < 1293827785 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you really had to restart the bot to add a term? < 1293827797 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293827801 0 :shutup!~shutup@91.105.67.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293827801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hmm. Tell me, < 1293827809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What language feature would I need to be able to add a term without restarting the bot? < 1293827814 0 :Sgeo_exceptnotre!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds < 1293827834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's that one you were complaining about Racket not having, yeah? What's its name again? < 1293827841 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know what you think my answer would be, but I'm aware that it's a wrong answer < 1293827842 0 :Sgeo_exceptnotre!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hotswapping? < 1293827842 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about AW! < 1293827846 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1293827851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, please tell me, I want to know. < 1293827868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note to self: Matching "aw" in the message: not a good idea?) < 1293827873 0 :Sgeo_exceptnotre!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1293827879 0 :Sgeo_exceptnotre!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwww! < 1293827894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Please, tell me! < 1293827895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll say it if you clarify that it's not my answer to your question. < 1293827896 0 :Sgeo_exceptnotre!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hypothetical kitten! < 1293827900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Certainly. < 1293827908 0 :Sgeo_exceptnotre!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hooer < 1293827911 0 :Phantom_Hooer!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1293827913 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hotswapping < 1293827920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the bot's dead < 1293827928 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only reasonable conclusion < 1293827932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut. < 1293827937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put hotswapping in. < 1293827942 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotswapping < 1293827945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotswap < 1293827954 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk < 1293827955 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Smalltalk! < 1293827968 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltaLk < 1293827970 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Smalltalk! < 1293828231 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1293828303 0 :shutup!~shutup@91.105.67.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293828323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1293828333 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotswap < 1293828336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotswaping < 1293828338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotswapping < 1293828338 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about hotswapping! < 1293828365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swathopping < 1293828443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So what's that old game you like? < 1293828530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy Planets < 1293828531 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutation < 1293828534 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1293828539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolution < 1293828544 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cybertown < 1293828547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creatures < 1293828551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, the old game you like. < 1293828551 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Docking Station < 1293828561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one that's like Minecraft without any of the fun bits. < 1293828573 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that already < 1293828573 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1293828589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm trying to make you test it, dammit. < 1293828600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only listens to you -- the saddest life a bot can have. < 1293828640 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds < 1293828641 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Active Worlds! < 1293828648 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AW < 1293828649 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Active Worlds! < 1293828702 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falcon < 1293828705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falcorn < 1293828707 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falctorn < 1293828981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions to add to shutup's table are welcome. < 1293829065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX would qualify if he ever talked about it without it being tongue-in-cheek. < 1293829107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, believe me, he used to. < 1293829122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that, but he's stopped. < 1293829380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX < 1293829383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1293829404 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I not that long ago was talking about PSOX2 < 1293829435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, add it. Add it now. < 1293829459 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293829462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1293829467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was then suggested to me that I just make a way for various esolang programs to talk to eachother < 1293829475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of what I had planned < 1293829491 0 :shutup!~shutup@91.105.67.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293829495 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX < 1293829496 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about PSOX! I don't care if you're joking! Just shut up! < 1293829517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It was suggested by cpressey, who already tried implementing it. < 1293829530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was what catbus was. < 1293829540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was? < 1293829637 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293829642 0 :shutup!~shutup@91.105.67.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293829647 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, god, what /was/ that game you only played due to a burgeoning sense of nostalgia? < 1293829663 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cybertown. I said that already < 1293829672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, no, the other one. < 1293829679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actsomething. < 1293829686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Passive Dimensions < 1293829698 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flatland? < 1293829705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actsomething = Flatland! < 1293829710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, c, t, tland. Flatland. < 1293829714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you can't win. < 1293829721 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have POWERS < 1293829727 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1293829732 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh. < 1293829733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED < 1293829736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1293829737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Weak-head-normal-form domains. < 1293829746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1293829753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Active Worlds. < 1293829757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Lazy Domains. < 1293829761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Weak-head-normal-form Domains. < 1293829767 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION jumps back up.
< 1293829799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What was that name? Starts with an Active, ends with a Worlds. < 1293829812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds < 1293829813 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up about Active Worlds! One day the servers will go down, and NOBODY WILL CARE! The 90s are over! Move on!! < 1293829819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b *!*shutup@91.105.67.* < 1293829821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, man, it duplicates the apostrophe. < 1293829822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a mistak. < 1293829824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mistake. < 1293829825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOOPS < 1293829830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1293829832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was going to move it to a server anyway. :) < 1293829874 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of AW's best moments were in this past decade < 1293829946 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, lemme guess, all of them before '05. < 1293829973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't around that much after '05, so I don't know < 1293830083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1293830099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :shutup < 1293830112 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1293830126 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `echo ^echo echo < 1293830141 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ^echo echo < 1293830145 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo echo < 1293830156 0 :shutup!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1293830165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm < 1293830194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not smart enough to do what I want to do. Probably a good thing, as I'd get kicked anyway probably. < 1293830205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to do? < 1293830233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to: < 1293830234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1293830234 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot)! < 1293830239 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may wish to start with ^echo. < 1293830246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the other bots are less picky. < 1293830258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is sparkbot < 1293830270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1293830278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo !echo `echo echo < 1293830278 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `echo echo !echo `echo echo < 1293830278 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo echo !echo `echo echo < 1293830279 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo !echo `echo echo < 1293830292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot echoes twice. < 1293830293 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i mean, ok, i won't find about about call sites which need changing of the instruction struct? < 1293830295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean ^cat. < 1293830296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat x < 1293830296 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1293830298 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, quine-like to get two bots in an infinite loop < 1293830304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat !echo `echo echo < 1293830304 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `echo echo < 1293830305 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo echo < 1293830306 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo < 1293830306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. cat should output "meow" after :) < 1293830306 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's also a truth. < 1293830309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMIRITE < 1293830318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dude, we've done those billions of times. < 1293830319 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, we have repeatedly tried that, and as such it has been prevented. < 1293830326 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1293830328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1293830369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo !echo EgoBot? fungot? Don't you love me any more? < 1293830370 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo EgoBot? fungot? Don't you love me any more? < 1293830370 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: since lisp is so fractured into at least two more, and primarily) useful for development within it. how many do you have a lot of the design < 1293830401 0 :shutup!~shutup@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293830402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that neither fungot nor EgoBot like HackEgo. < 1293830403 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sigill is for making egobot use special characters, and work is ongoing on lispworks)) will make it easy to learn because it does < 1293830408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less yelly now. :p < 1293830425 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot hates all other bots, though, since he was raised by humans. < 1293830425 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it would be < 1293830432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Indeed. < 1293830433 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ruby for example has a coding standard. i ignored it for a couple of esoteric programs have turned up here: fnord/ cgi-bin/ fnord) < 1293830443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring coding standards is a good idea for esoteric programs. < 1293830448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(+ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1293830448 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (+ul )(^ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1293830454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That used to work. < 1293830463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already forget who did +ul, though. < 1293830463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the reason nobody likes hackego is because it only talks in code < 1293830469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly EgoBot does too but shut up < 1293830622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thutubot < 1293830629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, of course. < 1293830702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(!underload )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1293830703 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (!underload )(^ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1293830703 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(!underload )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^ < 1293830708 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It only talks in code" guh? < 1293830715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, without the ignores that would go on and on. < 1293830715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SHUT UP < 1293830718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot talks in happy. < 1293830719 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i do that sometimes, switching between cl and scheme)." < 1293830956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1293830956 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1293830963 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon < 1293830963 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive) < 1293830969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo I'M BETTAR < 1293830970 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M BETTAR < 1293830973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what do you hate? < 1293830973 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if ( ++sincereal 25) goto oops; for < 1293830980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, NO YOU AREN'T < 1293831016 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Phantom_Hoover: YES I AM < 1293831017 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YES I AM < 1293831026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive) < 1293831027 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know what kind of like that) which is actually a very likely that confusion would result in the right solution is to traditional ( i.e., " owner-wimpy", < 1293831037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how that didn't get renamed when I made fizzie get rid of the Jargon File :-P < 1293831046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I do believe I just asked for the pre-esr one.) < 1293831129 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1293831146 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine an unix hater < 1293831159 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should be unsurprised that bacon chocolate isn't sweet at all. < 1293831173 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacon chocolate? < 1293831177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You bought it? <3 < 1293831179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I got it for Christmas. < 1293831180 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh, only in USA :F < 1293831182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which brand which brand < 1293831184 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Got it for Jesusmas. < 1293831187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: No. Not only in USA. < 1293831190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which brand is it that one starting with V < 1293831191 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blargh < 1293831195 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Vosges < 1293831196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Trust me, it is gorgeous. < 1293831197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YES < 1293831201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It is amazing isn't it <333 < 1293831204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I legitimately love it < 1293831214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The saltiness is SO GOOD with the chocolate taste < 1293831217 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ate milk chocolate with mandels and rock salt < 1293831221 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway < 1293831223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ... not as good w.r.t. chocolate as baconnaise is w.r.t mayonnaise :P < 1293831229 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was suprisingly delicious < 1293831242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude. Excuse me. It is amazing. < 1293831248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have been letting it MELT right < 1293831251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And waiting for the aftertaste < 1293831269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: P.S. small bites (Americans don't know how to eat real chocolate) < 1293831272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because they have never seen it < 1293831273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1293831275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretty much shove foot directly down my throat with no chewing. < 1293831284 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1293831288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1293831289 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked surprisingly well for a typo. < 1293831300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: More seriously though, ... no, don't do that with good chocolate. < 1293831311 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was called a JOKE. < 1293831317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in the non-foot sense :P < 1293831318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, you're American. < 1293831324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Of course it wasn't a joke. < 1293831407 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering http://www.scottevest.com/v3_store/Expedition-Jacket.shtml < 1293831430 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1293831479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current jacket has 19 pockets and removable sleeves, but it keeps falling apart ... it's also less expensive. < 1293831497 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i drink beer after beer and eat tuna salad < 1293831536 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then cheap champagne < 1293831553 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i will code < 1293831598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 37 mothafuckin' pockets. < 1293831603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ... do not need that many pockets. < 1293831630 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs jackets < 1293831641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to have more than one pocket, you should have a potentially infinite amount! < 1293831645 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not considered socially acceptable for a man to carry a purse! < 1293831666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Clearly you must become a woman! < 1293831672 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use two pockets: one for wallet and keys and one for cellphone < 1293831678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use all of my 19 except for one inner pocket and the back pocket. The back pocket because it's useless, the inner pocket because I use the other one 'til it falls apart, then switch. < 1293831683 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then maybe one for cigarretes and lighter < 1293831729 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have this cursed blueberry bold < 1293831749 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sucks compared to my old ericsson w200i < 1293831755 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bigger < 1293831769 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: 37 mothafuckin' pockets. <-- awesome < 1293831772 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's harder to send a text message < 1293831822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pocket uses: (USB thumbdrives, camera batteries, other electrogadgets), (change), (student ID and/or bus pass), (pencils/pens), (tripod), (camera), (pocket reserved for unexpected carryables), (recycling when no bin is about), (papers to keep), (larger electrogadgets), (wallet), (passport) < 1293831842 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly that's only 12/19, I'd have to look at the jacket to remember what I use the others for :P < 1293831848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most are used though. < 1293831849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, you have ... way too many possessions. < 1293831862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, way too many possessions on ha- why do you carry a tripod everywhere. < 1293831870 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a small tripod! < 1293831887 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, "Travel around town or around the world" it says under "Key Features" (gah text as image, hate that). Does that mean the travel is included in the jacket somehow? < 1293831887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I missed my phone on that list lawl, that's a pocket too :P < 1293831894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, if so, can you opt out? < 1293831898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed my keys! Yeesh! < 1293831909 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Vorpal said "key" :P ) < 1293831936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, and two hand pockets. < 1293831940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fill up the rest of your pockets with a wearable computer. < 1293831948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could practically carry an i7 rig around in that jacket you're considering :P < 1293831958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, "(student ID and/or bus pass)" "(passport)" <-- don't both of those go into wallet? < 1293831973 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume by "practically" you actually mean "practically", as in "it would be practical" < 1293831994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ABSOLUTELY. < 1293832002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, "(larger electrogadgets)" <-- such as? < 1293832007 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The former I have in a surface pocket for quick access. The latter ... who the hell has a wallet big enough for a passport? < 1293832023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, fair enough, but who carries passport around everywhere < 1293832032 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: E-Reader, or sometimes nonelectrogadgets such as a book :P < 1293832034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also what do you do during hot summer days? < 1293832057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, another thing: backpack. Tried it? < 1293832064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: During hot summer days I take off the sleeves. My passport pocket is reserved for my passport because I so frequently travel, although I of course don't have my passport when I'm not at least out-of-state. < 1293832072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backpacks suck. I hate them with hatred. < 1293832085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you need passport to travel between states in US?! < 1293832096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a passport to turn into a goat in the US. < 1293832112 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, but it would not be the first time that I'd found myself unexpectedly going to Canada whilst on another trip. < 1293832148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, okay, why do backpacks suck? They are good for carrying laptop in (if you have a pocket large enough to carry a 15" laptop in I will be impressed. And also worried about the uneven load.) < 1293832152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: First you have a few drinks... and then you're walking and you're not sure where you are ... next thing you know, you wake up in Canada. < 1293832161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1293832162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15" laptops suck :P < 1293832167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You turn to look beside you, where in bed there lies a grizzly bear. < 1293832168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, 17" then? < 1293832172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you get mauled to death. < 1293832173 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17" laptops suck more < 1293832174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happens to me all the time! < 1293832186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, a mounty! (sp) < 1293832198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I gather there was a lot of mounting going on the previous night with that bear. < 1293832220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so what laptop size do you prefer < 1293832226 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293832239 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As small as you can fit a full-size keyboard onto. < 1293832252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why Gregor just bought an 11" MacBook Air. < 1293832252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, without numpad I presume? < 1293832260 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Without numpad. < 1293832266 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It also has to be a legit laptop :P < 1293832268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, with numpad. You pull it out the side! < 1293832280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, never felt a need for large screen area? < 1293832281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 12" ... I think? Maybe 13" :P < 1293832285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not one iota. < 1293832293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I would argue the issue on this MacBook Air, but I have the 13", which you can actually pay more to get a decent laptop :P < 1293832301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you would be happy with a 640x480 2" display? < 1293832305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very high DPI) < 1293832314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't need large != fine with tiny. < 1293832319 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That is one crazy-high DPI. Strap that on a headgear and I'd love it :P < 1293832326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well duh, I'm joking < 1293832331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, :D < 1293832336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it wasn't funny. < 1293832354 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My desktop had a 12" screen for ... good lord, years. < 1293832356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice google logo today < 1293832364 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It finally died and I bought the smallest screen I could find, 19" < 1293832370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMMXLe < 1293832371 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Find on short notice that is) < 1293832390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MMXI < 1293832393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You moron. < 1293832393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the l should be lower case < 1293832396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an I. < 1293832398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in capital I. < 1293832403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293832407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, Google would be celebrating 2010 at the LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT. < 1293832410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be hilarious, but no :P < 1293832423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOH 2010 YAAoh it's gone. < 1293832441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, their xmas logo was not recognisable as google IMO. < 1293832457 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People seem to think it was some kind of secret code. < 1293832463 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go with "no" on that :P < 1293832465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, http://www.google.com/logos/2010/culturetour10-hp.jpg) < 1293832469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the logo? < 1293832470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293832470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1293832471 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293832475 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, guys. < 1293832477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Jesusmas logo. < 1293832493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well it doesn't contain google anywhere in it that I can see. < 1293832500 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean if your laptop's screen spontaneously turns bright magenta, fixed instantly by a reboot, and then two days later, turns teal/blue, fixed instantly by a reboot? < 1293832501 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not disputing that :P < 1293832502 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't press anything. < 1293832506 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DOES IT MEAN. < 1293832520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: It means God has chosen you to go on a quest to find the Holy Grate. < 1293832522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that guy in the picture near the middle, when I first spotted it I went like "mario without his hat?" < 1293832528 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THOUGHT SO but really < 1293832530 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I worry for my laptop < 1293832549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What does it mean if your laptop's screen spontaneously turns bright magenta, fixed instantly by a reboot, and then two days later, turns teal/blue, fixed instantly by a reboot? <-- use warranty presumably < 1293832553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but google for it first < 1293832562 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Well your laptop, being a messenger of God, is unfortunately doomed to burn in Hell for all �ternity. < 1293832567 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I am not sure if this thing came with a warranty :P < 1293832571 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't sign up for AppleCare. < 1293832578 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of hard to google for, but I can't /find/ anything. < 1293832591 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "turns", I mean literally whole screen fill. Instantly. < 1293832592 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While typing. < 1293832604 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, at least in Sweden you will by law get at least n months of warranty (where n depends on type of product) < 1293832616 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Apple, they don't care about no laws! < 1293832631 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well they have to. Or they would get into legal problems. < 1293832648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, being forbidden from operating in the country in question < 1293832649 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple laughs in the face of legal problems! < 1293832658 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah probably there is a warranty. < 1293832664 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give it a week or so to see if it keeps happening though. < 1293832668 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be an OS X bug, after all. < 1293832677 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect two different colours from a hardware bug like that. < 1293832688 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, could be pretty random < 1293832698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I mean, if it is something glitchy < 1293832735 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be installing Ubuntu soon anyway. < 1293832738 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll see if it happens there. < 1293832753 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having said that, reboots happen in like 5 seconds total, so I'm not complaining :P < 1293832754 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot SSDs. < 1293832761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway I can think of hardware issues that would give non-predictable results. Quite a few in fact. Most however involves analogue and a A/D converter < 1293832775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, but it isn't orthogonally persistent! < 1293832778 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293832785 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, but under @ it would be! < 1293832820 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how fast a modern computer with a good SSD can random-read some fragmented 8 gigs from disk into RAM. < 1293832830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, btw, I suspect ubuntu will boot a bit slower than 5 seconds < 1293832841 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I mean, apple can fine tune for that exact hardware < 1293832862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apple spent a lot of time on such things anyway < 1293832887 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, OS X boots fast on anyhting. < 1293832893 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But Ubuntu, as of 10.10, boots fast on anything. < 1293832894 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anything. < 1293832901 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not the OS, it's the SSD :-P < 1293832908 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My iMac was 10x slower because of the disk churning. < 1293832930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, is 10.10 much faster than 10.04? < 1293832940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, 10.04 spends most time on my thinkpad in readahead < 1293832955 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They spent a lot of time with 10.04 and 10.10 optimising the bootup. < 1293832964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, right. < 1293833309 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1293833413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Vorpal could see that the google christmas logo had expandable pictures...
< 1293833614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it did? < 1293833638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but i thought maybe that was javascript so you didn't see it... < 1293833662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah. What were they like < 1293833682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of those pictures grew in size when you hovered over them < 1293833693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing a larger scene < 1293833694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, containing google logo somewhere? < 1293833707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not that i recall < 1293833710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293833733 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1293833741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yet another hotel-visit balcony view panorama thing: http://zem.fi/~fis/P1080159-173.jpg < 1293833979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, loading < 1293833992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice! < 1293834043 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... uh, it's fi:pilkkijä, dudes-who-fish-on-the-ice... well, those people, were pretty persistent; they were pretty much all the day out there. < 1293834069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pilka or pika or something in Swedish I think. I'm not sure, the hobby doesn't really interest me < 1293834122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also three rather curious-looking ones from the hotel atrium: http://zem.fi/~fis/P1080216-235.jpg http://zem.fi/~fis/P1080242-260.jpg http://zem.fi/~fis/P1080277-288.jpg < 1293834161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for the first, what projection? < 1293834169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I assume it was less bendy? < 1293834182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can see from the other that it is less bendy. < 1293834191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fake-fisheye lens for the first one. < 1293834212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, they are the same? Very different white balance there < 1293834239 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for the third, were some of the pics blurry? < 1293834244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while other were very sharp) < 1293834261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice pics though! < 1293834267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes" to both. Shot freehand and in .jpg, so white-balance comes from camera settings, which I changed to be less yellow. < 1293834269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293834287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not raw (or was this your phone?) < 1293834341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure why not; I guess mostly because it's a bit slower, and I had to take about four shots for each angle already, to get at least one not horribly blurry one at ISO 100. (Anything above that is horribly noisy on the camera.) < 1293834371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, enfuse to get rid of noise? < 1293834382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though without tripod that is doomed I guess < 1293834442 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1293834466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also two mobile-phone stitchings I took on the way to the hotel: http://zem.fi/~fis/20101229_032-040.jpg http://zem.fi/~fis/20101229_045-048.jpg < 1293834497 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293834540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are a bit stripy, because the default camera app doesn't do fixed white balance, and hugin's exposure-optimization doesn't seem to be able to fix it well. < 1293834548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh I guess it is 2011 over there already? Happy new .fi year then < 1293834569 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 00:30 Jan 1st 2011 here, right. Thanks. < 1293834591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year < 1293834726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't see any stripes in the second. And quite subtle in the first. Using my laptop though. Not the best colour reproduction in the world < 1293834768 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: terrible new year \o/ < 1293834768 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             | < 1293834768 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             |\ < 1293834779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stripes aren't too bad in that since the lighting (overcast sky) was quite identical in all the shots, so the camera guesswork is probably rather similar in all the cases. < 1293834850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, should be possible to get white balance in one place on the n900 then use the same for the rest of the shots < 1293834861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean, it is an advanced phone. Surely doable. < 1293834892 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the third-party "fcam" app that can do raw and manual settings and all, but it's not quite as user-friendly as the default app. < 1293834905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, it doesn't auto-start when you open the camera cover, which is important out there in the cold. :p < 1293834921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fair enough < 1293834925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess I could share the hotel-room photo(s) too, since it (they) turned out to be rather nice: http://zem.fi/~fis/P1080070-077_r.jpg + http://zem.fi/~fis/P1080096-108.jpg -- the first one in particular would not look that out of place in a hotel brochure or something, I think. (Well, discouting slight noisiness and such.) < 1293835057 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comment by uploader of DS9 to YouTube: "@murphy3162 if i pretend all bad voyager episodes dont exist....then theres no series left." < 1293835057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also some visible seams in the first < 1293835074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, (middle of door frame) < 1293835090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that too. < 1293835122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the mirror in the second one looks weird < 1293835168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh it has bevelled edges? < 1293835170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. I'm not sure if the mirror is just faceted weirdly. (But there's also a visible seam near the roof/wall edge at one point.) < 1293835204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving shortly for new year stuff here < 1293835205 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1293835210 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 minutes to midnight < 1293835284 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an hour and forty minutes to go, you unwashed heathens. < 1293835305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An hour and twenty¬! < 1293835319 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1293835325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nO < 1293835326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NO < 1293835327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTY < 1293835330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I EXIST IN GMT MINUS 20 MINUTES < 1293835395 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffft < 1293835404 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't you on some party anyway < 1293835431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party. That would suck. < 1293835448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats nooga -----###
< 1293835453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fireworks --> < 1293835458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This channel is all the party I can handle!" < 1293835472 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a norwegian speaking party at my flat < 1293835475 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in* < 1293835478 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whateva < 1293835486 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan could join < 1293835515 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why are you not here? < 1293835528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOO OPARTY < 1293835529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY IN THE HOUS < 1293835530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1293835532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY IN THE HOUSE < 1293835533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does no one ever ask me that? < 1293835533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY WITH A MOUSE < 1293835535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THE HOUUUUUUUUSE < 1293835539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe he's at some sort of a hip norwegian-speaking party. < 1293835540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because we call those periods tranquil silence < 1293835546 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'll protect you my friend < 1293835557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Phantom_Hoover already referenced Little Mouse yesterday so stfu. < 1293835561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm practically a substitute for pikhq, what do you want to ask. < 1293835568 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1293835572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Tastes good, less filling"? < 1293835577 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a calm party < 1293835593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ff < 1293835594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfk < 1293835600 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have some drinks, salad, champagne and chillout music from this computer < 1293835601 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you ever find a good deinterlacing filter in mplayer? < 1293835609 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 ppl < 1293835618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He found a gigantic combination of filters that worked on hideous, hideous inputs :-P < 1293835622 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ this channel < 1293835639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suspect that he would use something rather more conservative for, you know, _regular_ interlaced stuff. < 1293835641 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's my duty to be on this # now < 1293835689 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw. i've recently read Wouter's PhD thesis < 1293835720 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really inspiring but graphical Aardappel is bad < 1293835881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: aardappel is kinda fun though < 1293835895 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1293835902 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's good < 1293835910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not good but it is fun < 1293835911 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eee < 1293835911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1293835912 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1293835914 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS GOOD < 1293835922 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\but not this graphical notation < 1293835941 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to read aardappel qsort in a graphical form < 1293835964 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was really hard compared to the textual version introdouced in the paper < 1293835975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: oh by graphical you mean the list visualiation things? < 1293835978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*visualiation < 1293835979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*visualisation < 1293835981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah those are silly < 1293835983 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this aarded < 1293835991 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :textual form is nice < 1293836063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you mean like, linear? 1 dimensional? < 1293836064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1293836067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that defeats the point of aardappel < 1293836368 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the PARADING < 1293836370 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M < 1293836371 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit! < 1293836374 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :midnight! < 1293836375 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1293836405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga is going to get really, really drunk really, really quickly. < 1293837225 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo < 1293837227 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1293837762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1293837768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year + 22 minutes everyone! < 1293837811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, weirdo. < 1293837815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, I'll protect you my friend Sgeo: Phantom_Hoover already referenced Little Mouse yesterday so stfu. <-- why the sudden rise in number of references to it? < 1293837819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New year is in 40 minutes! < 1293837829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, A SIGN OF THE END TIMES? < 1293837842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY NOW CTHULHU < 1293837847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wait. that was 2012. < 1293837854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Off-by-one. < 1293837908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah. Even for Maya yes < 1293837925 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Romans counted off-by-one. < 1293837934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what have they ever done for us? < 1293837936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did they? In what way? < 1293838021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ _ _ _ __ __ _ < 1293838021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| || |__ _ _ __ _ __ _ _ | \| |_____ __ __ \ \ / /__ __ _ _ _| | < 1293838021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| __ / _` | '_ \ '_ \ || | | .` / -_) V V / \ V / -_) _` | '_|_| < 1293838021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|_||_\__,_| .__/ .__/\_, | |_|\_\___|\_/\_/ |_|\___\__,_|_| (_) < 1293838021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |_| |_| |__/ < 1293838041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right. You found banner(1)? < 1293838044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1293838050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, figlet < 1293838054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293838066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i don't have fist(1) < 1293838076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fist(1) ? < 1293838091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1293838103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is that < 1293838107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fourmilab.ch/fist/ < 1293838124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT, its configure script runs fast. < 1293838126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know why? < 1293838130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Guess values for system-dependent variables and create Makefiles. < 1293838130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Generated automatically using autoconf version 2.13 < 1293838131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Copyright (C) 1992, 93, 94, 95, 96 Free Software Foundation, Inc. < 1293838132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. Dang. < 1293838134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fast. < 1293838140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it didn't check if I have every function ever, either. < 1293838162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I have to make my own /opt/stow/fist/bin. < 1293838205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/NHIE; I would spam it in-channel, but, uh, it's a bit long. < 1293839026 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody know the conditions under which YouTube releases the time limit for particular accounts? < 1293839050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Used to be a director's account", I think :-P < 1293839066 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a director. I don't even know what that means. < 1293839096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then I think you are fucked. < 1293839098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it means they like you. < 1293839117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In the good way? < 1293839118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, so you had it removed and you don't know why? < 1293839124 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah < 1293839130 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Congratulations! Your account is now enabled for uploads longer than 15 minutes. Click the Upload button below to select a video." < 1293839132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YouTube does not run on logic. < 1293839150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to write a friggin' epic 2 hour piano piece. < 1293839189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude... play some Merzbow. On piano. < 1293839193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must. < 1293839210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure how this amazing idea did not come to me much sooner. < 1293839262 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeah. < 1293839275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is that a "YES I WILL DO THAT". < 1293839299 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries his hardest to force as much sarcasm as possible across the webertubes.
< 1293839326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can't deny that you'd watch two hours of Merzpiano on YouTube. < 1293839330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MAKE EVERYONE ELSE'S DREAM COME TRUE < 1293839332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Support this idea. < 1293839376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION approves of this message.
< 1293839385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION approves of this message.
< 1293839389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's approve of our own messages! < 1293839457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▌▌▄ ▄ ▄ ▖▖ ▄ ▗ ▖▖ ▖▖▗ ▄ ▖▖▐ < 1293839457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▛▌▄▌▙▘▙▘▚▌ ▌▌▛▘▙▌ ▚▌▛▘▄▌▛ ▝ < 1293839457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▘▘▀▘▘ ▘ ▄▘ ▘▘▝▘▀▘ ▄▘▝▘▀▘▘ ▝ < 1293839464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the rfk86 font.) < 1293839496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks nice in this terminal, less so in the xchat with empty spaces between lines. < 1293839507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does not work in the logs :P < 1293839571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I forgot to uppercase the other words. < 1293839744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hey, it's not even a magical gconf key in eog. It's just Edit/Preferences/Image View/uncheck "smooth images when zoomed-out". < 1293839767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you Gnome cynics. < 1293839778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: QUICK! WE MUST DEVISE GOLFSCRIPT 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO < 1293839785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(saying this because you're the only person even remotely likely to agree with me) < 1293839797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-out/-in/ < 1293839837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GolfScript is pretty good though. < 1293839847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~{.@\%.}do; isn't a bad gcd.