< 1298592002 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1298592116 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298592223 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1298592244 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest78142 < 1298592337 0 :Guest78142!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1298592456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "protests spread to North Korea" < 1298592462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well well well. < 1298592467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be interesting. < 1298592832 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g224201252.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1298592998 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298593114 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1298594087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahaha: "But will the NK military pull a Libya, and refuse to fire on their own countrymen? Here's hoping." < 1298594276 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1298594413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298594583 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298594652 0 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-49-131.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298594716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Isn't the NK military essentially the able-bodied male population of NK? < 1298594722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Precisely. < 1298594935 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1298594962 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298596068 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298596196 0 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-49-131.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298596593 0 :TLUL_!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1298596602 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1298596604 0 :TLUL_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL < 1298596832 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1298596897 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298597228 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1298597256 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I get into an argument with #clojure < 1298597627 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1298598087 0 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-49-131.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298598403 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1298599040 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1298599053 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1298599056 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest89266 < 1298599315 0 :Guest89266!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest24601 < 1298599324 0 :Guest24601!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just stick with this for a while. < 1298599627 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298600824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, looks like RTK volume II contains the readings. < 1298600834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: "The book is mainly focused on the Chinese readings, however one chapter does suggest a mnemonic device for learning the Japanese readings." < 1298600840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I dislike it. < 1298601415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, sounds crappy. :p < 1298601465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How's the "Remembering the Kana" book though? Seems like a bit of an overkill for kana. < 1298601777 0 :hagb4rd2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298602587 0 :Guest24601!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1298602899 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1298603028 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298603356 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1298603622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Overkill. < 1298603631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Shouldn't take you more than a couple days. < 1298603872 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298604778 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1298604781 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1298604943 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1298604963 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest58097 < 1298604990 0 :Guest58097!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1298605258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you believe i am still not up to date with homestuck dear god this is the longest comic ever < 1298605352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MUST NOT KNOW MEZZACOTTA < 1298605397 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1298605408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe not, but this thing is longer than IWC :) < 1298605420 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298605425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some 4000 panels. it's hard to map that directly to a traditional webcomic, really < 1298605427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well iwc is shorter than calvin and hobbes < 1298605431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the narration and pesterlogs and whatnot < 1298605442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nobody reads calvin in hobbes in a long chunk. ...do they? < 1298605447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine archive binding c&h < 1298605452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dmm has that as a (hopefully partial) goal < 1298605453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1298605462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1298605466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to stay shorter than C&H? < 1298605471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reach than number of comics < 1298605479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1298605482 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1298605483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean hopefully partial? < 1298605484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not to sto then < 1298605485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stop < 1298605487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1298605516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but does iwc have flash games instead of comics sometimes i think not. < 1298605518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plot-relevant ones, that is) < 1298605526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok so they're kind of linear usually) < 1298605539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also do you know if DMM has any plans to up the size of IWC comics? they're kind of small on this screen < 1298605551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current ones are bigger than the first one, anyway, if only marginally < 1298605564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it looks like he hasn't changed his text renderer in 9 years < 1298605571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall casey and andy had 666 comics as a goal, and stopped there < 1298605575 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298605585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 was for 1000 < 1298605587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was a long hiatus before he managed to end it, though) < 1298605648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also things like garfield and dilbert are technically archived on the web < 1298605664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :garfield doesn't have a plotline. < 1298605666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does dilbert :P < 1298605667 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298605686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually calvin and hobbes too, i recall, it is larson who is against being on the web < 1298605687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway 4000 anythings is a lot. < 1298605703 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(larson = the far side) < 1298605703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah his open letter on that is a bit stuck-up < 1298605713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watterson is just against other merchandise < 1298605715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE KILLING MY BABY BY SHARING IT WITH PEOPLE! < 1298605723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think I drew a comic so that people could READ it? < 1298605812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also it looks like he hasn't changed his text renderer in 9 years <-- i believe he uses a consistent text style for each single character < 1298605826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err, i think we have a word for that; "font" < 1298605830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1298605830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mostly color < 1298605832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what you mean < 1298605842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just meant the antialiasing is /identical/ < 1298605850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1298605858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite interesting, that e.g. GIMP and its dependencies haven't changed its text-rendering algorithms in 9 years < 1298605860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a happy non-font-fanatic
< 1298605874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't making a great statement about it, just saying it's interesting from a software POV ;D < 1298605891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering that a 2002 linux desktop would not exactly have much font antialiasing, you'd have expected the algorithms to change at least slightly < 1298606027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh, 2002 we had Freetype still. < 1298606034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Exactly. < 1298606041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :draak has a different font though, and the deaths of course often speak in CAPITALS < 1298606043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Freetype's greyscale rendering algorithm is identical to what it was in 2002. < 1298606050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's surprising. < 1298606056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... That is quite surprising. < 1298606073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm IWC's hinting looks like either slight or medium < 1298606078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell at that small a size < 1298606083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: compare: < 1298606085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Freetype has only improved hinting and subpixel antialiasing? < 1298606087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irregularwebcomic.net/comics/irreg2951.jpg < 1298606088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irregularwebcomic.net/comics/irreg0001.jpg < 1298606165 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1298606356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. Delay line memory in Minecraft is entirely practical. < 1298606363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for certain notions of "practical") < 1298607741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298607988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1298608315 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298608643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1298609761 0 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1298611586 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Esolang that is turing-complete but completely impractical to implement. < 1298611718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something in terms of matrix operations? < 1298611736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, O(n!) time... < 1298611766 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it in a quantum computer emulator < 1298611789 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298611796 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And preferably something more creative than operations being ECDL and modulo. < 1298611917 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1298611925 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298611925 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298612266 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1298612706 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-202-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298612711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298613331 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1298613347 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1298613865 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298613887 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298613899 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298614184 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298615148 0 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1298615185 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298615909 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1298615912 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298615931 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298615934 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298616235 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298616408 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298616535 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298616707 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298616914 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298616932 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298616960 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298617232 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298617247 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298617533 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298617750 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298617835 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298619975 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298620114 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298620799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1298620800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1298621190 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298621287 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298622390 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298622488 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298622520 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1298622596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((!P)(!)^^)()(^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^(~aS:^) < 1298622606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi)S < 1298622607 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1298622614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1298622698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((!P)(!)^^)()((X))~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^(~aS:^) < 1298622729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1298622750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((!P)~(!)~^^)()(^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^(~aS:^) < 1298622787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()((!P)~(!)~^^)(~aS:^) < 1298622799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sheesh < 1298622813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((!P)~(!)~^^)()(^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^(~aS:^):^ < 1298622813 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((!P)~(!)~^^) ...out of stack! < 1298622823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((!P)~(!)~^^)(~)(^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^(~aS:^):^ < 1298622824 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(()~((!P)~(!)~^^)~^^) ...out of stack! < 1298622936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone mentioned a palindromic ul quine, so I made one too, but mine's really uneleganz: < 1298622937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (()S:aS(:^:)Sa:S()):^:(()S:aS(:^:)Sa:S()) < 1298622937 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(()S:aS(:^:)Sa:S()):^:(()S:aS(:^:)Sa:S()) < 1298622950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's right there on the wiki < 1298622953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1298622958 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298622983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not exactly that much more pretty. < 1298622993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit shorter though < 1298622998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for something where the latter half did something sensible too. < 1298623003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it < 1298623013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aS(:^S^:)Sa:):^S^:(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:) < 1298623013 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:):^S^:(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:) < 1298623058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six letters less. < 1298623097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite similar, except the S in the middle doing what I have ()S ... S() inside the parens for. < 1298623317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has to end in a quote, which cannot do much < 1298623341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's a quote that's almost half the program, just boringly repeated. < 1298625559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((!P)~(!)~^^)((!Q)~(!)~^^)()()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^(~aS:^):^ < 1298625559 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((!Q)~(!)~^^)((!P)~(!)~^^) ...out of stack! < 1298625571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((!P)~(!)~^^)((!Q)~(!)~^^)(~)()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^(~aS:^):^ < 1298625571 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:((!P)~(!)~^^)(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^(!Q)~(!)~^^) ...out of stack! < 1298625942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul :(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:((^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(:)~^(^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:^^ < 1298625942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1298625946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1298625951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~):(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:((^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(:)~^(^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:^^ < 1298625968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sigh < 1298625990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1298626079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~):(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(S)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:((^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(:^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:^^ < 1298626079 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ ...out of stack! < 1298626100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((^)S)((~)S)a*^^ < 1298626100 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^~ < 1298626150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~):(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(S)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:^^ < 1298626150 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ ...out of stack! < 1298626187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~):(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(S)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(:^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:^^ < 1298626187 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~^ < 1298626234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~):(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(S)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^ < 1298626257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~):(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(S)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^(~a(#)*S:^):^ < 1298626257 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^S)# ...out of stack! < 1298626323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1298626417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~):(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(S)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:((^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(:^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:^^ < 1298626417 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ ...out of stack! < 1298626696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~):(()~(^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(:^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~((^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^(~a(#)*S:^):^ < 1298626696 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:(^)(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:^^)# ...out of stack! < 1298626724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh missing ~ < 1298626944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~):(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(S)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:((^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~(~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(:^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:^^(~(#)SaS:^):^ < 1298626944 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^~ ...out of stack! < 1298626964 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298626989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ():(()~(()~(^)~(:)~(:)~(^)~()~^S^(^)~^^^)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(S)~^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:((^~)~^a(()~)~(~^^)**:()~^~()~()~^~^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(()~(^()(^)(^))~(^~a(:)~(~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^)**~*)~^^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:(:^^)~(^())~(^(~))~^^()~^^:^^(~(#)SaS:^):^ < 1298626989 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1298627000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1298629760 0 :[1]altered_state!dsafsf@124-149-96-151.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1298629886 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298629997 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298630153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1298630734 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1298631085 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298631197 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298632284 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298632392 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298633210 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298633306 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134168.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1298633484 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298633593 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298634011 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-157-195.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298634015 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1298634265 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298634475 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181134122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1298634683 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298634793 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298635263 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1298635279 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-72-18-49-91.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298635882 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298635990 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298636674 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298637082 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298637193 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298637293 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha... X.509: Advantages: extremely flexible & general Disadvantages: extremely flexible & general, extremely ugly < 1298637313 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language? < 1298637329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.509 < 1298637330 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cryptography thangf < 1298637549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thangf"? < 1298637650 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thang < 1298637655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thang"? < 1298637663 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298637680 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thang < 1298637709 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. Certificates that say in one place that that those are not CA cetificates and then in another place say those are. < 1298637753 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CA flag false, CertificateSign in Keyusage (that's the CA capability). < 1298637779 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298637842 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is false < 1298637981 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1298637982 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and certificates that contain "strictly follow KeyUsage". And then contain KeyUsage that is useless for the type (IIRC, RSA for KeyAgreement, except that RSA can't do that). < 1298638086 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Reminds me of making mail programs attempt to encrypt using DSA (which is signature-only). < 1298638252 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and then there's the cute NonRepudation bit in KeyUsage. Nobody really knows what it means. < 1298638627 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For using RSA with TLS, one needs at least one of digitalSignature or keyEncipherment. < 1298638865 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Make an esolang that encodes its programs using ASN.1 < 1298638921 0 :[1]altered_state!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it < 1298639055 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-62-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1298639055 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298639055 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1298639567 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COME FROM in combination with hierarchial code structure could make some fun stuff. < 1298639572 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298639641 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1298639659 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298639918 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1298640087 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1298640535 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what EgoJoust does if it encouteres () without a * or a %? < 1298640566 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will kill all humans < 1298640592 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evil ((++-)*100000) < 1298640610 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, ...why is that evil? < 1298640622 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains a syntax error. < 1298640624 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see what happens. < 1298640977 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There! IconJoust now fully supports ()*and ({})% < 1298640996 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im re-uploading IconJoust now < 1298641049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Gregor's changed it back, it's running gearlance now. < 1298641079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gearlance treats a () that is not immediately followed by either * or % as if it were (...)*0. < 1298641109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To handle things where people put ()s inside a (...)*0 comment. (Still won't work if you're commenting out mismatched ()s, though.) < 1298641280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EgoBot doesn't seem to be here right now, though.) < 1298641297 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. wonder where he went. < 1298641308 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IconJoust is at http://www.yoyogames.com/games/164956-iconjoust < 1298641419 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298641419 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope JOIN :#esoteric < 1298641460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Have you tried the tripped-me-up (a(b{c(d{e{f}})*2})*3)*4 construction with it? (That's supposed to expand to abbbcddeabbbcddeabbbcddeabbbcddef.) < 1298641551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe more nitpickingly, "be interpreted as if it were" instead of "expand to".) < 1298641588 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lemme try now. It has a funny way of expanding ({}) - it turns (a{b}c)%x to (a)*x b (c)*x < 1298641612 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know thats kinda 'wrong', but im sticking to it... < 1298641687 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldnt it be (a(b{c(d{e{f}})%2})%3)%4 ? < 1298641776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. < 1298641797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that gearlance doesn't differentiate between * and %, so I forget to, too. < 1298641838 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the trip-me-up is correct. < 1298641926 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In completely other news, what: this classroom box doesn't have neither MATLAB nor an X server. And I was going to show a small MATLAB demonstration here. < 1298642018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also someone seems to have forgotten a Minority Report DVD in here.) < 1298642048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, *has neither MATLAB < 1298642067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, yes. < 1298642083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even proper spelling won't help me here. < 1298642517 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't seem to have the perrrivileges to install WinaXe or something here. < 1298642666 0 :zeotrope!~abc@unaffiliated/zeotrope JOIN :#esoteric < 1298643010 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-173.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298643263 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1298643835 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298644233 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1298644297 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1298644663 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1298644971 0 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1298645521 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1298645792 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1298646152 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1298646221 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1298646559 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1298646592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fshj3/wisconsinites_wouldnt_it_have_been_easier_to_vote/ < 1298646629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It annoys me that there are people who seem to think that picking the lesser of two evils is something you should be pleased about. < 1298647227 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298647547 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298647554 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298647598 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298647602 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298647603 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1298648122 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298648146 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136229.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1298648260 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down <0.01: 32k+1k to China, 32k to Guam, 2x4k+2k to Australia, 256 to India. IPv6: /48 to PH, /48 to Singapore. /32 to Thailand, 2x/32 to Australia, /32 to Hong Kong < 1298648533 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Yummy, like ircing on a cake! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] < 1298648657 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, well, I'm flattered, but I don't really need a /48. < 1298648747 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I missed expanding that entry. It should be /48 to Philippines. < 1298648813 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW: There are private individuals (and not exceptionally special otherwise either) that have ASN+PI IPv6 /48. < 1298648849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently I'm one of them. < 1298648950 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK, at least in ARIN region, the yearly cost of having ASN / PI IPv6 /48 is the same fee, so even if you have both, you only pay that once. < 1298649000 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other registrars might not be so nice. < 1298649113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the only real cost of getting your own ASN and IPv6 is getting an ISP to go along with it. < 1298649344 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before APNIC depletes, the maximum block size can start to drop. While it is possible to assign multiple ranges at once, doing this leads to fragmentation. < 1298649494 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1298649523 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1298650162 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1298651689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate profiling. < 1298651693 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate profiling SO MUCH. < 1298652316 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1298652402 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so do minorities < 1298652421 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ba-dum* < 1298652551 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1298652605 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1298652625 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298652699 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298653020 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1298653194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:09:52 http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fshj3/wisconsinites_wouldnt_it_have_been_easier_to_vote/ < 1298653194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:10:29 It annoys me that there are people who seem to think that picking the lesser of two evils is something you should be pleased about. < 1298653195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1298653211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :republicans support DADT and oppose abortion, therefore the USA has a healthy distinct two-party system < 1298653264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They also believe in smaller government. < 1298653291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uhh, not really. < 1298653302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sorry, they also *claim* to believe in small government. < 1298653311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure they go on about privatise this, privatise that but I don't see them claiming they'll shrink the military. < 1298653319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, uh, cut Congress pay. < 1298653320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... < 1298653324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Exception, Ron Paul. < 1298653338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Ron Paul in particular I'm not sure why he's in the GOP. < 1298653363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but he's a right-wing nutcase. < 1298653364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's more of an actual conservative than a fire-and-brimstone politician. < 1298653376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, libertarian nutcase, to be precise < 1298653406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They're all nutcases. Paul is a breath of fresh air merely for having internally consistent views. < 1298653437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now to stop mentioning the guy, because it's damned depressing that I consider him sane compared to most of Congress. < 1298653447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, I need a drink. < 1298653804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: May I suggest whisky, drink of old, grumpy farts? < 1298653971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KANNHĄI! < 1298654167 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scotch whiskey is the drink of young grumpy farts :P < 1298654223 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1298654273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'm too young to drink legally still. Coffee it is. < 1298654287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking puritans. < 1298654301 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to young to join the army though.. < 1298654306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is coffee that much better while fucking a puritan? < 1298654319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Them puritans are crazy in bed, man. :P < 1298654343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: I am, however, too 4F-able to join the army. < 1298654405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fuck it, I'm too young to drink legally still. Coffee it is. < 1298654407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL AMERICA < 1298654434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wtf is 4F-able. < 1298654435 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shame, could have learned some cool psyops stuff < 1298654437 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJIqpJ5_hJc < 1298654534 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4F is a conscription class meaning not admissable < 1298654551 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had to look that up
< 1298654677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also exempt from the draft. Yay. < 1298654714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you just had to mention brainfuck < 1298654750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4F-able? < 1298654758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1298654768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that doesn't explain why < 1298654774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ineligible for military service, medical reasons. < 1298654784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAD AS A HATTER < 1298654818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is secretly made out of plasma. < 1298654831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a miasma of plasma < 1298654848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will ruin your dwarf fortress! < 1298654853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the power of miasma! < 1298654854 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1298655083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you know that olsner is from paris? that's no lie! < 1298655106 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298655130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned French. My father does NOT smell of elderberries, I'll have you know! < 1298655300 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which medical reasons? < 1298655325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said. < 1298655328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plasma-based composition. < 1298655382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Autism. < 1298655391 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely that makes him an incredibly valuable military asset? < 1298655395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plasma, that is, not autism. < 1298655396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suppose someone already complained about the lack of Ego? < 1298655410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autistic plasma: THE MOST LOGICALLY TACTICAL NON-SOLID LIFEFORM _EVER_ < 1298655426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a movie. AUTISTIC PLASMA < 1298655461 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can't do anything because his electrons have to be lined up in *just* the right way. < 1298655489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S OCPD *slap Phantom_Hoover* < 1298655506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slaps < 1298655517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP I CAN'T EXACTLY MAKE IT "DOESN'T TALK TO OTHER PLASMA" < 1298655523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, wait. < 1298655533 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's useless because he can't interact with anything. < 1298655554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without exploding, that is < 1298655566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that'd be useful. < 1298655599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is totally offended now. < 1298655599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1298655604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare you mock his plasma-based composition?! < 1298655617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he doesn't, he cannot understand that we are mocking him < 1298655629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't < 1298655640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's zzo you're thinking of < 1298655642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION types in stereo
< 1298655672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's lunch talk: could you deep-fry plasma? (Context: apparently they do -- somewhere in Texas or something -- deep-fried coca-cola and deep-fried beer already.) < 1298655687 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_Coke < 1298655690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably eat at some point < 1298655704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: throw some billion tons of lard into the sun and see < 1298655704 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was introduced by inventor Abel Gonzales, Jr., at the 2006 State Fair of Texas, where it won the title of "Most Creative" in the second annual judged competition among food vendors." < 1298655725 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, dammit, Scotland has been overtaken by America in the deep-frying research industry. < 1298655737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Journal of High Energy Deep-Frying. < 1298655760 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Culinary Use of Fusion Reactors" < 1298655776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cooking With Your Tokamak" < 1298655785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: throw some billion tons of lard into the sun and see ← billion is waaaaay too small. < 1298655786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE AN INDUSTRY OPENING < 1298655801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well it's just for testing purposes, duh < 1298655814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_Coke < 1298655815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow. < 1298655819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must try this < 1298655827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds awful. it sounds amazing < 1298655832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh jesus < 1298655838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to vomit already. < 1298655848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it would be so delicious, and kill me. < 1298655853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let Ilari hear < 1298655854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did suggest converting ITER into an experimental magnetic-containment deep-fryer; sounds far more important to humanity than fusion energy. < 1298655855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1298655879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3500kJ per cup. < 1298655883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like... < 1298655885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now our _food_ can be permanently 30 years away too! < 1298655893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's like less than something you can buy from mcdonalds, i bet < 1298655904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough to make a bath with 10 litres of water. < 1298655938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I am in charge all energy content in food will be relativistic. < 1298655949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm pretty sure fusion will be a practical and viable method of energy production at around the year 2050. (Source: Sim City 2000.) < 1298655950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*labelled energy content < 1298655997 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1298656115 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to quote a website: "The shops have been using the bar code system, 666, for years. New American credit cards contain the prefix 666. World bank number code [?] is 666, etc. Source: a pamphlet." < 1298656134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Paraphrased; the original was in Finnish.) < 1298656153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wat < 1298656186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten into the habit of using "source: a pamphlet" as a sort of an intensifier whenever I make a statement; it's such a boost to believability. < 1298656214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sauce, a pamphlet. < 1298656228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SO LOOKING FORWARD TO GET THAT CREDIT CARD CHIP IMPLANTED IN MY FRONT HEAD < 1298656242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "lähde: lentolehtinen" in Finnish, it sounds better that way. < 1298656288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh, fusion cooking would take on an entirely new meaning! < 1298656318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on" < 1298656319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, reddit? WTF? < 1298656340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um there's a limit of six months or so iirc < 1298656353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one motnh < 1298656355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*month < 1298656357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1298656359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can't reply after a certain number of months too apparently, that's just fucked up < 1298656366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i can see a reason for voting < 1298656368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not being able to reply? < 1298656370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?? < 1298656376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1298656377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Actually, the reply limit was changed from six months to one. The voting limit was always in place, but now it's more transparent." < 1298656386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sell this Finlandia-brand "X Fusion" vodka with different X's -- Lime, Mango, whatever -- and whenever I see it I have to wonder about what it has to do with fusion-as-in-physics. < 1298656387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is ridiculous < 1298656401 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-72-18-49-91.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298656502 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1298657126 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi < 1298657325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, the advice animals tired-meme-series reaches new heights of ridiculousness: http://i.imgur.com/D8aO6.jpg < 1298657484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's the Scumbag Steve meme, you fool! < 1298657501 0 :Behold!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1298657501 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298657502 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1298657514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, it isn't; and besides, Scumbag Steve is just an Advice Animals offshoot. < 1298657517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all a bunch of reddit bullshit. < 1298657545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally, i recall the advice animals subreddit explicitly points out that humans are animals. < 1298657548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meme comes in from 4chan to reddit one year late --> breeds wildly --> run to the ground --> continues for months regardless. < 1298657717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/1pKaM.png < 1298657734 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1298658230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wat < 1298658272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i was thinking about :()^ < 1298658315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as we know, there is only one way to create more data - :. also, there is only one way to shrink *or* modify data - ^. so in the long run, there is exactly one way to create new data without just duplicating previous data < 1298658316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^ < 1298658329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for complex behaviour, data has to be a program that acts on itself < 1298658333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can't do anything with itself but :^ again < 1298658344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I very much doubt it's TC < 1298658378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt so too < 1298658395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think possibly a might not help either < 1298658433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can only modify the top with it, so you still need ^ which only reverses it) < 1298658442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think what I said above is pretty close to a proof < 1298658470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^ is the only "compound instruction" that does anything "complicated" < 1298658474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are overly optimistic < 1298658485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't mean a formal proof < 1298658489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a "let's stop thinking about it" proof ;D < 1298658521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um thinking that it is _not_ TC is no reason to stop wanting a proof < 1298658537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i meant, stop thinking about trying to do a TM in it < 1298658563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TM seems pretty hard < 1298658590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i mean any complex behaviour really < 1298658610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in fact, in the long run, I think any :()^ program ends up just doing < 1298658615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the behavior can be pretty complex, just not necessarily useful < 1298658621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(f^m(x), f^n(y), ...) < 1298658630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in the long run, you have to keep applying the same thing < 1298658637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... i suppose it could transform a function into a different function < 1298658639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ehhhh, i doubt it < 1298658653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say that function quotations in underload tend to be rather useless as data < 1298658656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you only have a finite set of elements to use in a given :()^ program < 1298658669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's true of :()^! too, which is TC < 1298658702 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1298658721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the essential property that i see of :()^a is the complete impossibility of getting to data below the top of stack without running it < 1298658847 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.239.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298658848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298658857 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1298658904 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, GHC developers: < 1298658905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um also what do you mean "function quotations in underload tend to be rather useless as data" < 1298658905 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most of my hacking cycles right now are going towards debugging the new code generator for GHC. The code generation stage of GHC takes the Stackless Tagless G-machine (STG) intermediate representation (IR) to the C-- high-level assembly representation; the old code generator essentially performed this step in one big bang. The new code generator is many things. It is a more modular, understandable and flexible codebase. It is a client of cutting edge < 1298658906 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : research in higher-order frameworks for control-flow optimization. < 1298658906 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also frickin’ hard to debug." < 1298658911 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : um also what do you mean "function quotations in underload tend to be rather useless as data" < 1298658919 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: things you can manipulate as data tend to not do anything useful when called < 1298658921 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice-versa < 1298658923 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in underload < 1298658939 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so I can't imagine most quotations can operate on themselves well < 1298658957 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when using :^ to get some modified data < 1298658990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is precise definition of "function quotation" < 1298658993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is your < 1298659009 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it isn't precise, I just mean "quotation that does something useful when ^'d" < 1298659016 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quotation is (...) if you didn't know :-P < 1298659030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realize quotations are the _only_ data in underload? < 1298659036 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ffffff < 1298659036 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any chess variants with sphinx of black quartz? Is there any chess variants with judging a vow? < 1298659050 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: QUOTATIONS THAT ARE USEFUL FUNCTIONS ARE RARELY WELL-MANIPULATABLE DATA < 1298659055 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x)~^(y)~^(z)~^) < 1298659059 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's well-manipulatable data < 1298659063 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:a:**) < 1298659064 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't < 1298659081 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the first is a bad example since you call it. but ff < 1298659105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...all data needs to be called, since that is the only way to get information out of it < 1298659114 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1298659115 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whatever < 1298659123 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that :^ is only useful for things like recursion < 1298659126 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for modifying data < 1298659137 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can get a list-like structure to modify itself < 1298659153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls eyes
< 1298659228 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1298659275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in the context of Underload < 1298659293 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just 'cuz i make no sense don't mean you have to be a meanie < 1298659300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be a vague distinction, but you can easily straddle the boundary < 1298659392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean my lookup tables, for example, are also essentially case statements < 1298659414 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY MR. "person who's actually written a program in underload unlike me" < 1298659463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use :^ like things to generate essentially infinite data like lists < 1298659499 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/marauding-gay-hordes-drag-thousands-of-helpless-ci,19325/ Oh nooooooooose < 1298659692 0 :Wooble!~user@pool-96-236-223-234.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298659756 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wooble-orig http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=N8Ne4yLY < 1298659798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooble: EgoBot isn't online at the moment. also the wooble- is added automatically. < 1298659817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um actually it's online, just not here < 1298659825 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then. < 1298659830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try privmsg < 1298659885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^ < 1298659911 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no response. in any case, I'm guessing my 2-year-old bfjoust strategy isn't very effective anymore. I had no idea the game still existed after the Agora version died off. < 1298659930 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, slow response. and yes, 0.0 score. < 1298659965 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1298659965 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1298659965 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1298659965 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1298659965 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1298659967 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1298659976 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=N8Ne4yLY < 1298659990 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would hurt the strategy a bit... < 1298659996 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid pastebin. < 1298659997 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the tape is 10-30 long, so your program never wins. < 1298660004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooble: um, your paste assumes a far longer tape than our ... right < 1298660033 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1298660036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack, EgoBot is off again >_< < 1298660057 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I broke things a lot yesterday :P < 1298660081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf a /raw.php? that doesn't actually respond raw... < 1298660089 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kids today and your modern jousting games. back in my day, we had to walk uphill in the snow to get to the end of the tape. < 1298660091 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use sprunge instead it does in fact respond with raw text by default. < 1298660118 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1298660119 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1298660123 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooble: There is snow in the tape? That must be why it doesn't work. < 1298660230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooble: well if you cut off most of those >>>>>>>>>>> that only run you off the tape anyway, that should fit nicely in an irc message < 1298660255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to use pastebin < 1298660258 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the strategy still should fail horribly for a short tape. < 1298660271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1298660288 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every program on the hill would beat any strategy so naive. < 1298660302 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially one that wastes time by moving with a loop. < 1298660348 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, it was in first place back when the game started and there were no strategies evolved :) < 1298660367 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when loop conditions were broken. < 1298660425 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1298660491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Gregor: I suppose someone already complained about the lack of Ego? < 1298660498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Didn't you say you follow pings? < 1298660551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I follow pings when I get home, not in the middle of the day. < 1298660560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have a bouncer, so I only see the full log when I'm on a computer with the full log. < 1298660562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What sort of excuse-monkey talk that is. < 1298660580 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1298660649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : to be fair, it was in first place back when the game started and there were no strategies evolved :) // when the game first started the tape length was different, it's 10-30 now. That's the biggest issue :P < 1298660656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i_regret_everything <3 < 1298660659 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_i_regret_everything: 0.0 < 1298660705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pastebin's "download" link is actually raw (though it comes with the metainfo that causes browsers to show a download link); the "raw" is a bit medium-raw indeed. < 1298660765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that looks like it would fit in an IRC message even without any trimmings. < 1298660854 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust naive >->+>->+>-->++>--->+++++[-]+[->++[-]+][->++[-]+][->++[-]+][->++[-]+][->++[-]+] < 1298660856 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Wooble_naive: 12.7 < 1298660969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last part can be abbreviated to ([->++[-]+])*5 in our current interpreters < 1298661015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, Continuity 2 is iOS only? < 1298661016 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1298661077 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the business community management company? ;) < 1298661495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooble: You can see some additional bits about what your proggie did/is-like at http://zem.fi/egostats/ (not on-demand, but freshly updated) < 1298661526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should add more plotteries. (Though it already takes something like 10-15 minutes to draw them all with the slow-as-slow numpy/scipy/matplotlib combination.) < 1298661583 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend13 and defend9.75 died? < 1298661646 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 41 23 13.94 -12.71 ais523_defend13.bfjoust < 1298661646 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 25 13.43 -19.74 ais523_defend9_75.bfjoust < 1298661650 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look so dead. < 1298661683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1298661684 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did not see them < 1298661684 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1298661736 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees what he _thinks_ is a nasty issue with Clojure's concurrency
< 1298661876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want use currency made by cons, anyway < 1298661879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to use < 1298661885 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ba-dum* < 1298661907 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust blah (>->+)*5(>++[-]+)*40 < 1298661913 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Wooble_blah: 10.7 < 1298661919 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what woulf a concatenative tree rewriting language look like... < 1298661939 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)^ === x < 1298661941 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*would < 1298662002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ais523 said the first underload interpreter was based on rewriting < 1298662100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)(y)S === (y)S(x) < 1298662108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)S(y)S == (xy)S < 1298662146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way all output can be eventually moved to the front < 1298662170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*=== < 1298662224 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed, i'm just thinking how it would work as a language < 1298662234 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl concatMap (\e -> concatMap (\(t,(s,as)) -> maybe [] (\bs -> [(s, map (subst bs) as)]) (bindings t e)) rs) < 1298662236 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((rs >>=) . (`ap` snd) . (. fst) . flip flip snd . (ap .) . flip flip fst . (((.) . flip (flip . (maybe [] .) . flip flip [] . ((flip . ((:) .)) .) . (. flip (map . subst)) . (.) . (,))) .) . flip < 1298662237 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bindings =<<) < 1298662240 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1298662260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap = (=<<) < 1298662383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=).([]++) < 1298662385 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. [a] -> (a -> [b]) -> [b] < 1298662391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=).($) < 1298662392 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b a1. (a1 -> a) -> (a -> a1 -> b) -> a1 -> b < 1298662523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may be complaining that Clojure doesn't enforce good design < 1298662530 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't bother, this is from some old code :) < 1298662557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not bothering, just testing out his type-restricting trick
< 1298662569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=).(>>=Just) < 1298662570 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. Maybe a -> (a -> Maybe b) -> Maybe b < 1298662580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=).(>>=Right) < 1298662581 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a a1. (Monad (Either a1)) => Either a1 a -> (a -> Either a1 b) -> Either a1 b < 1298662625 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey do you still have the link to that self-modifying wiki tom 7 did < 1298662686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1298662693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't keep so many links < 1298662855 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm does a concatenative tree rewriting language even require any placeholders beyond (x) < 1298662869 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you just need (var) < 1298662872 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do all of underload < 1298662879 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)(y)* === (xy) < 1298662883 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x): === (x)(x) < 1298662888 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)(y)~ === (y)(x) < 1298662889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you used plain x for ^ above < 1298662891 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)a === ((x)) < 1298662893 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)^ === x < 1298662897 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but the LHS just has (x) < 1298662903 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)! === < 1298662928 0 :Wooble!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1298662987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a plain x has an unknown stack result, so is hard to deduce anything about < 1298663008 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um how is that relevant < 1298663028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means it is hard to have a rule that needs it < 1298663043 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B133D33.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298663054 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1298663057 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i meant more like < 1298663058 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x*y) < 1298663063 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (x/y) or any of that kind of stuff < 1298663066 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more detailed patterns < 1298663068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1298663096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well concatenative more or less means not having those < 1298663323 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: completely randomly, a scary haskell thing: you can write "Right x = Nothing" as a top level definition < 1298663336 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1298663337 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Just x < 1298663350 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test :: Int < 1298663351 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just test = Nothing < 1298663351 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, modules loaded: Main. < 1298663352 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> < 1298663362 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("test" just produces an irrefutable pattern error) < 1298663519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 1 = 2 in "Logic!" < 1298663521 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Logic!" < 1298663553 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha... Superconductors.org highest T_c claim box is now in degrees Celcius (used to be in Kelvins). < 1298663690 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is the kind of temperature ordinary fridges (no need for even freezer) are capable of. < 1298663711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3 is a bit low for a fridge. < 1298663754 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most fridges go below that if you set the thermostat to the lowest it goes. < 1298663816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe at some regions; I'm not sure the whole box will stay consistently below +3, though. (Especially if you keep opening the door.) < 1298663995 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they change the units? < 1298664279 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a->[a]->Int < 1298664281 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List elemIndex :: Eq a => a -> [a] -> Maybe Int < 1298664281 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List elemIndices :: Eq a => a -> [a] -> [Int] < 1298664281 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.BufferType buf_concat :: BufferOp a -> [a] -> a < 1298664422 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey i think i finally wrote a superstrict evaluator < 1298664432 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr it being non-trivial, guess i was wrong... < 1298664676 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like me to post a subpage of the Checkout page describing my idea for a binary format? < 1298664693 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would probably fit better on the talk page < 1298664703 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = "abc" ++ map ('x':) x in x < 1298664704 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1298664704 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type... < 1298664706 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will post it on the Talk page instead. < 1298664717 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = "abc" ++ 'x':x in x < 1298664719 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "abcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxabcxab... < 1298664731 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = ["a","b","c"] ++ map ('x':) x in x < 1298664733 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["a","b","c","xa","xb","xc","xxa","xxb","xxc","xxxa","xxxb","xxxc","xxxxa",... < 1298664738 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = ["a","b","c"] ++ map (++"'") x in x < 1298664740 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["a","b","c","a'","b'","c'","a''","b''","c''","a'''","b'''","c'''","a''''",... < 1298665017 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the Y combinator these days < 1298665031 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, "these days"? < 1298665036 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1298665042 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Semi- Ed Stories reference.) < 1298665051 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("What's the speed of light these days?") < 1298665098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1298665105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ FINE STRUCTURE GODDAMNIT < 1298665123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((["a","b","c"]++).((++"'")<$>)) < 1298665125 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["a","b","c","a'","b'","c'","a''","b''","c''","a'''","b'''","c'''","a''''",... < 1298665142 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Shut up, the Ed Stories are brilliant. < 1298665152 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298665165 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^f.^x.`f`x x ^x.`f `x ` < 1298665167 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^f.^x.`f`x x ^x.`f `x x < 1298665167 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1298665196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes, they were. < 1298665200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ FINE STRUCTURE. < 1298665208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1298665244 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> yy < 1298665245 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L (A (L (A (V 1) (A (V 0) (V 0)))) (L (A (V 1) (A (V 0) (V 0))))) < 1298665245 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> eval [] yy < 1298665245 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L (A (V 1) (A (V 0) *** Exception: /home/elliott/Code/superstrict/superstrict.hs:14:17-83: Non-exhaustive patterns in case < 1298665245 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1298665247 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gah < 1298665251 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose that's one way to diverge < 1298665300 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> yy < 1298665301 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L (A (L (A (V 1) (A (V 0) (V 0)))) (L (A (V 1) (A (V 0) (V 0))))) < 1298665302 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> eval [] yy < 1298665302 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L (A (V 1) (A (V 0) (A (A (V 0) (V 0)) (A (V 0) (V 0))))) < 1298665302 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> eval [] $ eval [] yy < 1298665302 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L *** Exception: Prelude.(!!): index too large < 1298665303 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1298665305 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awfully broken < 1298665476 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (|>) = flip (.); (☐) = flip in undefined undefined |> undefined ☐ undefined | unefined < 1298665477 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `|' < 1298665622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your example is wrong in more ways than you intended" < 1298665623 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QQ < 1298665677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted on wiki Talk page about my ideas of Checkout binary. < 1298665775 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please read it < 1298666228 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have idea for a ".dvipub" format, which I will specify here. It is a ZIP archive. Which kind of files are allowed, the page sizes, the allowed specials, the dots-per-inch, are publisher-specific and the publisher must specify what are allowed in the files they receive. < 1298666293 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checkout confuses me. Machine code doesn't match current processor reali.. hm < 1298666313 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can contain ".dvi" file, any ".*gf" files for nonstandard fonts you use at the printer's resolution, picture files that might be included, an optional nested archive of source files, optional ".iso" files which will be recorded onto CDs/DVDs and included in the back of the book, etc. < 1298666324 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Átetraor átetradanwakin | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1298666382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to stop procrastinating.
< 1298666393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a metric fuckton of homework due. < 1298666402 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is all this Checkout stuff basically how real processors work? < 1298666428 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think it is for graphics processors? < 1298666440 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Wrote a tool that given stream of words in lexicographic order prints minimal subsequence subset so far. < 1298666534 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some specials that might exist on some publishers are: Telling where the barcode should be printed, specifying layer for printing with two layers (and what color the color layer should be), if some pages should have tabs sticking out, covers, metadata, and so on. < 1298666536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why the topic? < 1298666541 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why not. < 1298666577 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if the publishing service supports multiple resolutions and/or paper sizes, also specials for those things, too) < 1298666583 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squares in base 10: 0, 1, 4, 9, 25, 36, 576, 676, 665856, ... < 1298666607 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinions of this ".dvipub" format? < 1298666612 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, write a web browser in Checkout < 1298666622 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, let me rephrase: what did you get those words from? < 1298666628 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A spaceman. < 1298666641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'd he say they meant? < 1298666657 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, did he spell them for you? < 1298666666 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1298666674 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, set of cubes has quite big subsequence subset. < 1298666706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, ? < 1298666707 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have never written a program in Checkout. However, what I might do some day is to write a program to emulate Checkout programs with specified profiles, and that its output will also tell you the timing and power used, and so on. < 1298666814 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By far the biggest subsequence subset I have seen outside artifical examples: 113 numbers so far. < 1298666834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION discovers that there are a tonne of Mythbusters videos on YouTube.
< 1298666840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, subsequence subset? < 1298666911 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :«Tra átedáwakin» trawan. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1298666925 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a set A. Now what is smallest subset B of A such that every element of A has a subsequence in B? < 1298666964 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, set of strings A. < 1298667003 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to publish some books, I would like to use ".dvipub" format, but will any publishing services possibly support this format? < 1298667011 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This smallest subset is always finite (but there are sets that have arbitrarily large subsequence subset). < 1298667012 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :««Tra átedáwakin» «Tra tradáwan» dáwan» trawan. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1298667028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fears for elliott_'s sanity.
< 1298667064 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already found 117 for set of cubes (starting from 0) in base 10. < 1298667078 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Perfectly sane here! < 1298667092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, THE NHS DISAGREES < 1298667140 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Átewan. < 1298667171 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My idea is that the file should be either shipped to them by mail on a DVD, or uploaded to them using FTP; and then they will publish the book for you.) < 1298667212 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, you heard me. < 1298667219 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly that means "THAT STOPPED BEING FUNNY THE TENTH TIME" < 1298667220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: 33856 is a square (184^2), but it doesn't seem to have any of 0, 1, 4, 9, 25, 36, 576, 676 as a subsequence. < 1298667230 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: PRECISELY. < 1298667249 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 33856. 3, 3, 8, 4, 5, 6; see, it does. < 1298667285 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1298667368 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, also found 7888885568656 and 888288787822276, ... < 1298667398 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the set for cubes is at 121 elements.. < 1298667476 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found 122nd. < 1298667535 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: err didn't fizzie just invalidate what you were saying? < 1298667539 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1298667540 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squares not cubes < 1298667554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was a comment on the earlier "0, 1, 4, 9, 25, 36, 576, 676, 665856, ..." list for cubes. < 1298667572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. < 1298667574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squares, I mean. < 1298667577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering, since 665856 > 33856. < 1298667610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cube, square: "same, same but different", like a hotel receptionist once said. (Can't remember the context.) < 1298667628 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :36 is subsequence of 33856 < 1298667640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that sort of subsequence. < 1298667683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The generic sort, not just a substring.) < 1298667687 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that my internet is connected using a 100-foot cable that goes underneath the door, and then is connected to a wireless router next to my computer, and then connected with a shorter wire to the connection in the computer? (My computer is not connected wirelessly, but some other computers are) < 1298667702 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (m -> a -> b -> m) -> (m -> a) -> (m -> b) -> (m -> m) < 1298667703 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1298667712 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (m -> a -> m) -> (m -> a) -> (m -> m) < 1298667713 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Data gmapQl :: Data a => (r -> r' -> r) -> r -> (d -> r') -> a -> r < 1298667713 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function on :: (b -> b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> a -> c < 1298667713 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies parZipWith :: Strategy c -> (a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c] < 1298667715 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123rd for cubes. Still at 11 squares. < 1298667718 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1298667789 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, one would expect the sparser the original set, the bigger the subsequence subset will be. < 1298667816 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kfr is gone. < 1298667848 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how big the set would be for absolute pseudoprimes. < 1298667849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, I don't think I could have borne another obnoxious noob who wouldn't leave. < 1298667931 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that Phantom_Hoover guy is enough. < 1298667941 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1298667950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish he'd just go away and die. < 1298668028 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of first 33 absolute pseudoprimes, subsequence subset contains (in base 10) 28. < 1298668038 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Who doesn't. < 1298668064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other obnoxious noobs perhaps? < 1298668090 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I steadfastly ignore everything he does. < 1298668096 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might have alienated them as well. < 1298668096 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. < 1298668101 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh he does. < 1298668107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, he's not as bad as that elliott_ twat. < 1298668118 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst by far is fizzie though. < 1298668120 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a shithead! < 1298668124 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH I WENT THERE < 1298668133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And none are nearly as awful as sshc. < 1298668138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who has... left. < 1298668143 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1298668143 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         | < 1298668144 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         |\ < 1298668145 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from Gregor. < 1298668152 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is pretty much Hitler. < 1298668154 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Jewish. < 1298668163 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found list containing 10 000 first aboslute pseudoprimes. 4379 subsequences found. < 1298668202 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :«««Tra átedáwakin» «Tra tradáwan» dáwan» trawan» trawan. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1298668300 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is calling the asylum as we speak. < 1298668359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I will use my connections to have you slung in for LIFE. < 1298668368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then recommend ELECTROSHOCK THERAPY. < 1298668377 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Átewakin. < 1298668534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This linear algebra textbook is moronic. < 1298668564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this linear algebra thing? < 1298668566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to ask me to *add* a scalar to a matrix, you better *define that*. < 1298668637 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. For the latest discovery launch, they restarted the countdown two seconds before the last possible moment. < 1298668669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, surely that's just the same as scalar multiplication? < 1298668674 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: X-D < 1298668682 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5, 4, 3, 2... 10, 9, ... < 1298668703 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, extra countdown pause at 5 minutes. < 1298668740 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two seconds more and launch would had to be scrubbed (most likely for 24 hours). < 1298668741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If it doesn't define x+y :: Matrix -> Scalar -> Matrix, then it's fucking undefined. < 1298668754 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(+) < 1298668761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Dur. < 1298668851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*As it turns out*, addition of a scalar and a matrix consists of adding that scalar to each element in the matrix, but dammit a textbook should fucking define shit like that. < 1298668899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, I will be sorely tempted to write "DNE" on half the homework. < 1298668910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNE? < 1298668915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Not Exist. < 1298668941 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1298668973 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countdown can be no longer be held after the T-31 seconds mark. Cutoff remains possibility up to T-0s. However, if that is used (and problem is small enough not to scrub the launch) the countdown resumes at T-20min. < 1298669087 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main engine ignition happens at about T-5s. < 1298669159 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aren't all the matrix-with-scalar operations basically automatically lifted? < 1298669178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: No. < 1298669181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Erm. < 1298669197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, but this textbook leaves them ENTIRELY UNDEFINED except in the case of scalar multiplication. < 1298669211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is FAIL. < 1298669214 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm just saying that it doesn't have to define evrey single combination. < 1298669218 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*every < 1298669227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: "Here are the matrix operations:" < 1298669278 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(And building chickadee houses isn't universally considered a MACHO hobby, even though it involves the use of POWER TOOLS which can LOP OFF FINGERS.)" --prog21 < 1298669282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: How am I to know that addition of a scalar and a matrix is defined if it defines every operation but that? < 1298669296 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Usually questions don't involve undefined things :P < 1298669331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: The only reason I went to Google is that I thought it'd be wrong to write a big row of "undefined" on my homework. < 1298669351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have to go to Google to correct deficiencies in my textbook, FAIL. < 1298669690 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loads of questions that would require computing something invalid? < 1298669768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: It's entirely valid to add a scalar and a matrix. It's just that my textbook is defective. < 1298669857 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit shit shit shit shit shit < 1298669862 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never heard of that before. Multiplying matrix and scalar yes, but adding them? < 1298669866 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to hate all programming languages again. < 1298669876 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Good, they're all terrible. < 1298669894 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I knew *that*, I just managed to _suppress_ that fierce hate for a while. < 1298669900 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was doddering along quite happily with Haskell. < 1298669907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Yes, one adds the scalar to each entry. < 1298669919 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have heard of operations like exp(A) (A is a matrix)... < 1298669920 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How's Plof coming, I'ma use its features to change it into a decent language :P < 1298669940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: This textbook asks for it a few times, but never defines it. < 1298670067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Judging from some of these *questions*, it may be assuming that you instead multiply the scalar by the appropriate-sized identity matrix and then add *that*? < 1298670069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, exp(A) is simple for matrices. < 1298670077 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the Taylor series. < 1298670098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, by extension, so are sin and cos. < 1298670125 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I SEE < 1298670133 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Plof is dead, long live Plof. < 1298670140 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Fythe is comin' along pretty well though. < 1298670141 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What, even Fythe? < 1298670146 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So Plof 3 is dead? < 1298670151 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes. < 1298670164 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Plof 4 will be reborn by Fythe's wings :P < 1298670190 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have this awful sneaking feeling that Plof 4 is basically going to be Forth. < 1298670209 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implemented in half-Forth ... Secnd (Fythe :P) < 1298670232 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, and then, we can write Flop, which runs on top of Plof, running on top of Fythe! < 1298670236 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So every program starts with < 1298670239 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env fythe < 1298670241 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plof3 < 1298670245 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flop; < 1298670246 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1298670336 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At no point is Plof going to look anything like Forth. < 1298670367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point of Fythe is that the core may be Forthlike (sort of a mind-boggling hybrid between Forth and Lisp), but it provides you the functionality to not expose any of that to the user. < 1298670381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user language will look almost identical to Plof 3, modulo some stupid bits I'd like to get rid of. < 1298670381 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yah, but then you'll realise that all this crazy dynamism that's "easy" in Fythe (modulo the low-levelness) is a pain in Plof because of the more rigid syntax, and you'll loosen it by removing all the braces and shit, and then you'll make argument-passing implicit, just so it can be oh so dynamic... < 1298670385 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you'll have Forth! < 1298670402 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, after reversing everything. < 1298670418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeah, that's definitely Forth right there. X_X < 1298670427 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Plof 3's main problem was the syntax I think... < 1298670432 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I seem to recall "if" being super-ugly. < 1298670445 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cried over parens. < 1298670447 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're a durp. < 1298670447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hybrid between Forth and Lisp sounds sexy < 1298670453 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I distinctly recall something like < 1298670455 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 2==2, ( < 1298670455 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1298670457 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :), else, ( < 1298670458 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1298670458 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1298670460 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, no. < 1298670463 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just the most hideous thing ever constructed. < 1298670472 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (case) ( true stuff ) else ( false stuff ) < 1298670495 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should make {} identical to () :-P < 1298670500 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROBLEM SOLVED < 1298670503 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, roblem. < 1298670505 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} is a function. < 1298670507 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just solved the roblem. < 1298670515 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh god, it's thick vs. fucking thin all over again. < 1298670521 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no? < 1298670525 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, () vs {} :P < 1298670527 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vs. < 1298670540 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is just parens. < 1298670542 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it. < 1298670557 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but the point is that when you'd use a thin function, you'd use a lazily-evaluated expression with parens, < 1298670564 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you'd use a thick function, you'd use a function with braces. < 1298670593 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this was my SOLUTION to thick and thin functions, the problem wasn't their existence, it was the complications they caused w.r.t scoping. < 1298670626 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Right. < 1298670629 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[2There is no correct behavior for these functions, they are purely heuristic. That is, any implementation is allowed to produce < 1298670629 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect results if it cannot distinguish between types; proper type management is the responsibility of the programmer or language < 1298670630 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementer, not Fythe.]] < 1298670633 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl, what are those functions even for < 1298670653 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debugging your interpreter :P < 1298670791 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have successfully found The Worst Programmer. < 1298670792 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Algorithms? < 1298670793 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just finished rewriting about 100 lines of Python code for like a fourth time today. Because each time I finish and begin using it, I discover that my API sucks, I don't want to use the way I intended and want to use it in unintended ways, and I'm not going to tolerate this! Luckily, now I see a better way to organize it... then the cycle repeats, until I get something that I actually enjoy using. < 1298670793 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, algorithms are not even programming, just moderately interesting mathematical puzzles in a weird formalism. Architecture and design on the other hand are fascinating and immensely rewarding when you get them right! And possibilities for improvement are everywhere, in every function signature, literally! < 1298670795 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There must be something wrong with you people if you see only "glue" and "algos" in your code.]] < 1298670801 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest immediate removal from the gene pool and also society. < 1298670812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ues. < 1298670819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yes < 1298670827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Actually, it's really not thick-vs-thing. < 1298670828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is this person that I may beat them up. < 1298670832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, thin. < 1298670832 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. Movement passes. < 1298670841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Instead, Plof is lazy. < 1298670841 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/fsl62/programming_in_the_21st_century/c1ibjmf < 1298670854 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest you respond with vile comments referencing the mother of fish dicks. < 1298670864 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOTHER OF ALL FISH DICKS < 1298671011 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/IoB53.jpg 13 YEAR OLD LIBERAL MAKES WHINY IMAGE, POSTS ON REDDIT, REACHES FRONT PAGE, I think I'm going to shoot myself in the fucking head, < 1298671171 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I just sorta figured elliott_ already knew that and was basically trolling :P < 1298671202 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's your fault for not having created the perfect language yet. < 1298671285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sobs quietly to himself.
< 1298671384 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just to make you even sadder, with the valiant method of "stealing ideas and tweaking them", I believe I've made a wiki MORE FLEXIBLE THAN HACKIKI < 1298671461 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is now writhing on the floor in despair. < 1298671536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how does it work? < 1298671543 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'M WAITING FOR GREGOR TO BREAK DOWN AND ASK < 1298671682 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1298671829 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: wtf, I am *not* from paris < 1298671838 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: haha! very funny < 1298671963 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor Gregor. < 1298672016 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298672060 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what's so sad about gregor? < 1298672061 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If he doesn't break down in five minutes I'll just tell you. < 1298672063 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: He's so sad. < 1298672066 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: I just sorta figured elliott_ already knew that and was basically trolling :P < 1298672066 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: It's your fault for not having created the perfect language yet. < 1298672067 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Gregor sobs quietly to himself. < 1298672068 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So so sad. < 1298672074 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad :( < 1298672250 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heeey, on a technicality I've been here longer than I thought. < 1298672267 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long did you think you were here? < 1298672275 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in here 2006-12-29, even though I technically didn't actually, you know, say anything, and then didn't come back until May 2007 which is what I thought. < 1298672287 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coolt < 1298672299 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm slightly closer to oerjan X-D < 1298672304 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and for some reason that came out in swedish < 1298672312 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coolt. < 1298672344 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the neuter-gender version of "cool" < 1298672360 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is cool => det är coolt < 1298672432 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and older people don't treat it as a swedish word but always say just "cool" < 1298672579 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: _older_ people? < 1298672583 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect s/older/younger/ < 1298672708 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I hear some young people, mostly from Sweden, not inflecting it to neuter, effectively treating it as congruenceless < 1298672744 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all swedish speakers in Finland inflect it to agree, though < 1298672762 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: older people are likely to treat foreign words as though they were a real short stint of codeswitching < 1298672773 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: heh < 1298672774 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore don't conform to grammar < 1298672785 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn kids, always with the inflecting and the conjugating of the youth slang < 1298672788 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :younger people adopt them into the language < 1298672809 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off my gräsmatta! < 1298672813 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thanks google translate) < 1298672815 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1298672835 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altho' most people don't have lawns, they have snow. < 1298672843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *must* be a loanword. < 1298672847 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grass:lawn::snow:_what_? < 1298672849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To at least a degree. < 1298672861 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what word? gräsmatta? < 1298672865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, you've obviously not played Minecraft enough. < 1298672874 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow blocks, duh. < 1298672914 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively he's played minecraft the correct amount when optimising for having time left to do things that aren't minecraft in a day < 1298672916 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, not at all < 1298672924 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play minecraft < 1298672926 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1298672927 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298672932 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly play games from the mid-90s < 1298672932 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: precisely! < 1298672982 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho', well, minecraft kind of looks like a mod of some kind of forgotten proof-of-concept demo that id software made a year prior to quake < 1298673005 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so aesthethically I guess it's in that ballpark? < 1298673025 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, which games from the mid-90s? < 1298673028 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: It's meant to look retro; its gameplay is not really, though. Well, it's "retro" in that it's unconventional and more "fun" than contemporary games, but at the same time it's simulating a rather gigantic chunk of 3D world every tick. < 1298673049 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: It's a very enjoyable game but err... eats up an awful lot of time... < 1298673059 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what hardware does it even require? < 1298673076 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: It won't run very well on a netbook. Apart from that most things can handle it. < 1298673076 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fall into sort of addictive behaviours a bit too easily to want to risk that with minecraft, honestly < 1298673108 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: so like, it wouldn't spin on an old pentium II or any such stuff < 1298673115 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played it on a 1.33 GHz Core 2 Duo with 4 gigs of RAM, you could almost certainly run it with less RAM. < 1298673137 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Well, no. But at least it's not just wasteful coding -- it simulates 81 chunks at a time. < 1298673140 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A chunk is 16*16*128. < 1298673156 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think a Pentium II could do physics, no matter how naive, on 2,654,208 blocks, many many times a second? < 1298673156 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the marathon-series, various doom-derivatives, diablo II, the classical warcrafts, c&c, even some of the terrible things like rise of the triad and such < 1298673158 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda doubt it. < 1298673165 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasional dips into all kinds of weird stuff from then < 1298673180 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobliiins, king's quest, even, day of the tentacle, all kinds of stuff. < 1298673188 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quake. < 1298673198 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so pretty open-ended mid-90s < 1298673224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1298673246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298673265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, wireless conked out. < 1298673337 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, Google Translate's interface is so bad. < 1298673353 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The menus for selecting a language are five billion times less efficient than letting me type "de to sv". < 1298673360 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even "german to swedish". < 1298673412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, but don't you know that text interfaces are USER UNFRIENDLY??? < 1298673552 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why hasn't this important insight been entirely carried out in programming? < 1298673561 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should entirely abandon text in programming. < 1298673564 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a terrible way. < 1298673585 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: oh god. < 1298673596 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: here's the answer i'll deliver in lieu of another multiple hour debate. < 1298673610 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am obviously being entirely serious) < 1298673614 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: BECAUSE EVERY PROPONENT OF NON-TEXTUAL PROGRAMMING IS A FUCKING JERK ABOUT IT < 1298673616 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1298673617 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just < 1298673619 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last person i argued with about that < 1298673621 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talked exactly like that < 1298673632 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realise you were joking to PH < 1298673645 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to try and bury that memory some more < 1298673651 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, I prefer text-based interfaces, and their weakness in windows is a thing that really bugs me whenever i have to use that OS) < 1298673672 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i also prefer keyboard shortcuts to pointing-and-clicking) < 1298673704 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think both current textual interfaces (ok, "current", they haven't seen much advancement in the past decades) and current graphical interfaces are woefully badly-equipped to handle advanced use-cases, and they are also suboptimal for simple use-cases. < 1298673735 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... you have something better? < 1298673753 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I assume you react in the same way to movie critics? But yes, I do have ideas. < 1298673756 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A graphical layout of information is a perfectly reasonable and sane thing to have, and GUIs have advantages like having discovery and documentation of features baked in to the interface, whereas finding out how to do something is a separate step in usual textual interfaces. < 1298673779 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the same time linguistic communication is superior to icon-clicking. Icons are pretty much the worst. < 1298673805 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course a sufficiently advanced linguistic/shell interface blurs the distinction between using and programming, which is a good thing. < 1298674923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, the movie critics thing is a bit shaky as a refutal. < 1298674929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rebuttal < 1298674946 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, movie critics *should* be able to point out how it should be done better. < 1298674981 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but they don't have to make a better movie themselves. < 1298675025 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well, I don't think Mathnerd314 was asking if you'd implemented something better, just if you actually could say what would be better. < 1298675042 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did give some pointers in the next few lines. < 1298675091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can see that. < 1298675118 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that unless you actually have an idea of what would be better, complaining is pointless. < 1298675131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This does indeed apply to film critics. < 1298675302 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If someone only ever saw Plan 9 From Outer Space and had never seen any better films or made a film -- say it was the first film ever made -- < 1298675309 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they said it sucked, and could not expand on that, are you saying they'd be in the wrong? < 1298675344 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... you can't just say "this sucks" without explaining why < 1298675397 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey lemme make a < 1298675397 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you would just hate everything < 1298675401 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really great fallacy! < 1298675415 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes, because even then there would be basic problems with it which would be noticeable even if you had no experience of films. < 1298675435 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone had asked the grandchildren of mr. Fritzl whether their lives were good < 1298675441 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they had answered 'no, this sucks' < 1298675454 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you consider that answer invalid because they wouldn't be able to describe a normal life? < 1298675477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, that's a strawman and you know it. < 1298675492 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, it's more of an extreme case. < 1298675526 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was more going for something like a new approach to godwin-likeness without invoking hitler) < 1298675572 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298675816 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fritzl is such a funny name but now it's wasted < 1298675819 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: they could easily complain that they never went outside < 1298675821 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a good name for a comedian < 1298675837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1298675846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1298676388 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, I know you've toyed around with turboencabulators; are you a VXer too by any chance? < 1298676450 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor, mind if i just rip your conversions and resubmit? :P < 1298676461 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume lance is in now < 1298676466 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not. < 1298676469 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1298676471 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what happen < 1298676487 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: gearlance is in, and elliott_ is crying waaaaaaaaaaah < 1298676497 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OH NOES I MADE A FACTUAL STATEMENT? < 1298676499 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is gearlance < 1298676505 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gearlance is fizzie's buggy interpreter. < 1298676509 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1298676517 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i assume somebody was like OH NOES WE CANT HAVE THOSE BRACKET THINGS ANYMORE < 1298676518 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it was buggy a few days ago. < 1298676523 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so my programs failed and you replaced them < 1298676528 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Yes, because they cannot be interpreted efficiently. < 1298676529 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i would like to resubmit them myself if htat's ok ;) < 1298676535 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We didn't replace them afaik. < 1298676540 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just off the board. < 1298676542 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: shush, you don't have to fucking try and argue it every time i bring it up, i'm not arguing with you < 1298676552 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor resubmitted them < 1298676565 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to ask his permission to steal his code but put it under my name so i don't have to think about it ;) < 1298676568 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1298676571 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, I'm not arguing either, wtf are you on about < 1298676579 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Yeahyeahyeah, go ahead < 1298676580 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i assume all he did was make them runnable < 1298676584 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks <3 < 1298676588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: But copy them first, then I'll kill them, then resubmit. < 1298676595 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, one sec < 1298676615 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: every time i so much as mention it, you go out of your way to hammer in the CAN'T INTERPRET BLAH BLAH BLAH < 1298676640 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Uhh, you've mentioned it about three times and each time you're dramatic about it, so I've just responded with one factual line each time. < 1298676646 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the one who used caps, not me. < 1298676658 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: got em < 1298676663 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_myndzi_careless <3 < 1298676666 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust return_of_myndzi_careful <3 < 1298676683 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i used caps as a way of making it evident that i was being facetious < 1298676692 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust careful >+++++++++++++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++++++++++++>------------------------->------------------------->------------------------->>((>[-[++[(-.)*2((-)*28(.-)*4)*4{}]]])%21)*21 < 1298676702 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust careless >+++++>+++++>----->----->+>->>>((>[(-)*126(-.)*3{}])%22)*22 < 1298676746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buggy smuggy gluggy mr "it's ready except a small parser *bug*" man there grumble mumble. < 1298676789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so if you insist on being *factual*, it was buggy; might still be for all I know.) < 1298676795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But facts are for furries.) < 1298676803 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this actually seems pretty slow lol < 1298676806 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_return_of_myndzi_careless: 0.0 < 1298676806 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_return_of_myndzi_careful: 0.0 < 1298676806 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for myndzi_careful: 38.3 < 1298676806 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for myndzi_careless: 33.9 < 1298676816 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those numbers are so low now :( < 1298676817 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1298676844 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly, slowrush does better than them both < 1298676846 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just hangs around < 1298677218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re interpreter speeds, I tried to benchmark gear vs. egojoust on current hill, but seems that egojoust got stuck in an infinite loop on hill/ais523_decoybooster2.bfjoust vs. hill/Gregor_furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls.bfjoust -- it's been running for three minutes now. < 1298677372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also for defend10 vs defend9_25.) < 1298677477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/ywfk -- the most unscientific test ever, but anyways. < 1298678132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Write the given matrix as a product of elementary matrices". < 1298678136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should not be hard. < 1298678146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it *is*. < 1298678266 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you never answered my QUESTION! < 1298678274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I was being stupid.