< 1299456010 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use something based on the current time of day? < 1299456027 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, didn't think of that < 1299456204 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can try now see what happen? < 1299456333 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1299456338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too interested, tbh < 1299456474 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a wiki, it has no colors but you could do things based on the time of day. However, if we want more random numbers I should implement that in addition because the time of day is only in minutes < 1299456633 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play a card game called Yomi, do they have a userbox for that, maybe? < 1299457195 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of tempting to try and hack at the bfjoust hill again < 1299457208 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I'd need to write my thesis on it to have any chance at this current state of development < 1299457212 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g229030067.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299457375 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299458108 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299458120 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299458218 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1299458300 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow: "When just one person is using certain P2P networks at home, I have seen 30 or more TCP SYNs _per second_ going out - over a 2Mbit ADSL." < 1299458378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO, AND SYN NO MORE < 1299458672 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, CGNs tend to have low state timeouts (as low as 1 minute has been spotted). < 1299460155 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-229.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299460160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299460915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's kind of tempting to try and hack at the bfjoust hill again < 1299460915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I think I'd need to write my thesis on it to have any chance at this current state of development < 1299460926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd be surprised, what with Gregor's quick rise from cheap tricks :D < 1299461945 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299462746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299462772 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299464611 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I missed anything important in making a wiki system? < 1299464631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the chickens? < 1299464872 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299464873 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299464873 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1299465098 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What chickens? < 1299465287 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you chicken? < 1299465319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah he's just an egghead < 1299465443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are a bit fishy in freefall today < 1299465684 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My userpage in Wikipedia is fixed now, isn't it? < 1299465809 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it broken more now? < 1299465898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the brokenness is self-referential < 1299465964 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think I fixed it more and I also broke it more, too. < 1299466134 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the new things I added to the bottom (except for a HTML comment near the top) < 1299466205 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read it? < 1299466296 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them I (or others can) might change to template pages so that it can be transcluded instead < 1299466341 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has no article about "Yomi (card game)"! < 1299467268 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of cleric domain would you make for this spell? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/options/Good_Insane_Spell.s < 1299467283 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returneth < 1299467302 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think domain clerics ought to cast it sometimes?) < 1299467351 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Do you think domain clerics ought to cast it sometimes? < 1299467739 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A curious spell. < 1299467830 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight all < 1299467831 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299467860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299467895 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, it was connection error. < 1299468561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299469506 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. Two of temperature sensors report alarms on this computer. Except those aren't "temperature too high", it is "temperature too low". < 1299469506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299469515 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299469518 0 :pizearke2!411cad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.28.173.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299469540 0 :pizearke2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1299470394 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: What should be the minimum temperature, then? < 1299470437 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those minimum temps seem way too high. < 1299470466 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you try to figure out the reason for that, and if it is not good reason, adjust the minimum setting to a lower number? < 1299470693 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree that UNIX is better than SpectateSwamp Desktop Search? < 1299470978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:26:10 Today I Learned: ais523 is a KDE person. < 1299470978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolno < 1299471001 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then explain the use of Konversation and Akregator < 1299471053 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, a lump on a log is better than SpectateSwamp Desktop Search [slight exaggeration] < 1299471055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:50:49 indeed, I pinged him then and didn't get a response (I don't actually /know/ that fizzie is male, but I'm guessing) < 1299471055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:51:46 To quote a high-school English teacher "English is a male language, if you don't know somebody's sex then you should use 'he', deal with it." < 1299471055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untrue. < 1299471070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would totally argue this, except me and variable just argued with and subsequently convinced pikhq about this issue mere days ago, so I can't be arsed. < 1299471087 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just quoting a teacher :P < 1299471114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote Hitler, "We should kill all the Jews." < 1299471120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Especially Gregor Richards." < 1299471121 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Better for what? < 1299471154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:56:10 pikhq_: And yet, we have no gender-neutral living pronouns... < 1299471154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they < 1299471163 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point < 1299471187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anything. And anyone. Except maybe SpectateSwamp. He might find use out of it. < 1299471246 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299471274 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not anything. Bump on the log is probably no good if you want to share videos? (Unless you have a video camera, in which case you should use the video camera instead) < 1299471311 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299471326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:10:01 elliott, then explain the use of Konversation and Akregator < 1299471332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible to install kde programs in gnome < 1299471416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSDS is no good if you want something usable by anyone outside the set of {SpectateSwamp, zzo38} < 1299471456 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not find it a very good program either < 1299471489 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely work with videos anyways. < 1299471781 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GNOME excludes all. < 1299471793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you log in, GNOME removes all non-GNOME programs. Permanently. < 1299471796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including all associated data. < 1299471822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so great about Konversation and Akregator though that makes them worth using on GNOME? < 1299471843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've kind of always had a prejucide for keeping GTK+ apps on GNOME and Qt on KDE < 1299471856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hmm, not that much < 1299471862 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME apps on GNOME and KDE apps on KDE < 1299472209 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, KDE apps on GNOME works quite well these days. < 1299472489 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how Ferrero has the balls to claim that Nutella is an exceptionally healthy food. < 1299472513 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ⅔ sugar! < 1299472529 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(corn syrup in the US) < 1299472855 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lifthrasiir < 1299472957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's delicious. < 1299472960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite relevant. < 1299473000 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299473006 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :healthy for your soul < 1299473008 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1299473087 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: True, true. < 1299473164 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.viva64.com/en/b/0094/ < 1299473251 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299473952 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-178-112.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299473953 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299474135 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299474269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299474274 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-221-24.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299474380 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299474440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bieng diagnsoed with a seriuos illenss or giong throguh a divocre ofetn triggres derpession." < 1299474442 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolspam < 1299474447 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't want derpession. < 1299474455 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(durpession?) < 1299474474 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2k9JwGpm1w Some days, I ♥ BBC. < 1299474487 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299474492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't seen look around you? < 1299474498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1299474503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the best TV show on earth < 1299474514 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it doesn't air in the US. < 1299474521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: You have the Internet. < 1299474528 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hence why I'm seeing it now. < 1299474536 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, well, hence *how* I'm seeing it now. < 1299474537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't air in the UK either, there are two series and they each have like six episodes, like all British programs :P < 1299474548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the second serious is wildly different.) < 1299474579 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but the point is, *quality TV basically doesn't happen in the US*. < 1299474590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like your mom. ...what? < 1299474597 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when it does, in which case it gets freaking milked for all it's got. < 1299474612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait until you get to the music episode. < 1299474627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now little mouse / I hope we understand one another / Hey now little mouse / Show me what to do. < 1299474630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MEANING, IT IS SO DEEP. < 1299474668 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look around you is truly awesome < 1299474678 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, the US is lacking in quality TV < 1299474682 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for satire < 1299474684 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fantastic < 1299474714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:11 %.b : %.bfm < 1299474714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:19 *Surely* pfuck.0.b matches that. < 1299474715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:51 * GregorR never uses that syntax. < 1299474715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:59 .bfm.b: < 1299474723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor came here from the 70s to let us all know that, 70s! < 1299474765 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh, it definitely has some quality. And this quality gets spread out into as many seasons as it takes for the quality to stop. < 1299474965 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And you came here from 200(something) to tell us that ... < 1299474984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299475829 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299477040 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299477120 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299477201 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299477500 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. ATI drivers are kinda weird with Flash video. < 1299477512 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full-screen performance > normal performance. < 1299477524 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(judging from smoothness of video & lack of tearing) < 1299477748 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299478418 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299478554 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299478555 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299478555 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299478813 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299478883 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299479510 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299481882 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299481910 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299481910 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299481910 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299482031 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299484541 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299484799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299484800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299485475 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: if you're in linux and using ff, try installing flash-aid < 1299485488 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i've had the same problems as you because of a wrong version of flash being installed < 1299485604 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: It's just that I get video tearing from Flash not v-syncing *unless* it's full screen. < 1299485619 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't really suggest any actual *problems*, except incompetence. < 1299486219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299486408 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299486722 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-141-60.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299486963 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299487121 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228061180.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299487133 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah, i've had that too. give it a go. < 1299487424 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299487424 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299487424 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299487460 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-22.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299487466 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299487580 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299488601 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1299489813 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1299490154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299490158 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299490278 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299490415 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299490597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299490688 0 :arw!~Weidner@p54A6CC6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299490738 0 :arw!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299493260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fuckyeahnouns.com/bfjoust < 1299493274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I sure hope it'll return the same image for everyone.) < 1299493354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does < 1299493410 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You might find http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/tmp.gif amusing too; the reference might be lost on non-.fi people, though. < 1299494435 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1299495995 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299496232 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299498374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide < < 1299498469 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_suicide: 0.0 < 1299498507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1299498524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(waterfall3 was losing to the program at the bottom of the hill and none of the programs above it, so I bumped it off to regain a flawless record) < 1299498554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nop . < 1299498575 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_nop: 4.1 < 1299498625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems no-ops still have a vague chance on the hill < 1299498671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, all the numbered defenders have fallen off the hill < 1299498838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust trivial (>)*9(+[[-]].>)*21 < 1299498844 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for fizzie_trivial: 15.4 < 1299498845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in the interests of experimentation. < 1299498862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/JKFa < 1299498869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with the whitespace bug fixed < 1299498871 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 43.2 < 1299498874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or workarounded, anyway < 1299498886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do rather better now that it's repeating 9 times rather than 1 < 1299498902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, #8, not bad < 1299498905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually if you had whitespace, it was interpreted as *0. < 1299498921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1299498949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to see waterfall3 still beats it < 1299498951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with the bugfix < 1299498955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did (...)*[garbage] as *0 since it was giving parse error for Gregor's "let's put some Perl inside (...)*0" thing. < 1299498988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a very chaotic match, because they keep trying to full-tape-clear each other, which is always messy < 1299498993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Gregor installamated the bugfixed gearlance; perhaps not. < 1299499012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust trivial ((>)*9(+[[-]].>)*21)* 1 < 1299499015 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for fizzie_trivial: 4.2 < 1299499019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. < 1299499072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, triplock is targeted specifically against the sequence ]]] < 1299499091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see trivial's score drop if you change the [[-]] to [[[-]]], not that there's any reason to really do that directly < 1299499102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because things like [-[++[+]]] are quite common that it's a good tactic < 1299499128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(things like ]]...] also fall to it) < 1299499138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where you can interpret the ... as an ellipsis, or as waiting three cycles) < 1299499182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust trivial (>)*9(+[[[-]]]>)*21 < 1299499185 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for fizzie_trivial: 8.6 < 1299499214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try that against triplock3 in egojsout, to see if it actually finishes in a plausible length of time < 1299499627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it'll "only" be ten thousand cycles or so < 1299499650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought of a new statistic for you to graph, btw: for each program, the average length of time before it wins, and before it loses < 1299499670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before it draws would potentially be useful, but only if there were simultaneous-loss draws rather than timeout draws, and I'm not sure if there are any on the hill) < 1299499757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try that out at home. I already have an average-duel-length graph, but it's sorted according to left/right program, not the win/loss result. < 1299499782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a program tends to win slowly but lose quickly, for instance, it's likely defence < 1299500256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to adapt juiced to attempt to determine the reason for a win or loss < 1299500267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which obviously can't always be done automatically, but there are some cases where you can make a good guess < 1299500504 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're not above using cheap tactics, here's a mostly-constant evo4 tweak that I think beats waterfall, purely to screw up your +-row. (At least it did in egojsout unless I misran something.) < 1299500508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evo4 ((-)*8>)*9((-)*128.[.(-)*1]+.>)*21 < 1299500519 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for fizzie_evo4: 15.1 < 1299500521 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I forgot the underscore in the name. < 1299500549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's at the bottom so you can displace it easily. But the table has a - in it now. < 1299500562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Epiphany is so much faster than Firefox at egojsout < 1299500571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange, because Chromium wasn't when I tested < 1299500623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it crashes/freezes when I try to run the animation < 1299500646 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they had a js engine update at some point late last year < 1299500682 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you link me up to bfjsout? < 1299500699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ < 1299500702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually called egojsout < 1299500708 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1299500731 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right i messed the name up :) < 1299500801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plot thickens: Epiphany itself was working fine, just the egojsout tab itself was broken < 1299500855 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1299500893 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais523 how does bfjoust work exactly? < 1299500895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone else try this run: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=f9ca4256e24ba262ba77e3ff7c182288baff4dee&r=e334674b466455690582d51437a4400e7dab8f98 < 1299500904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: what do you mean by that? < 1299500913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language itself? the competition ecosystem? < 1299500925 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter please < 1299500933 0 :nooga__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299500958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, there's a "hill" here in #esoteric, which contains the top 48 or so programs of the past < 1299500974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever anyone submits an entry, it's run against all the programs on a hill, and gains points for beating them < 1299500974 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1299500985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get more points by winning by a wider margin, or against better enemies < 1299500997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, the better the enemy or the wider the margin, the more points you lose from losing < 1299501007 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the match performed? < 1299501013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you end up with more points than the worst program previously on the hill, you end up on the hill yourself < 1299501026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 42 games are run, at each of the 21 tapelengths and each of the 2 polarities < 1299501047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(switched/reversed/"kettle" polarity is where one of the programs has all its + and - swapped to avoid trivial dependencies on which way round the program was written) < 1299501094 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the goal of a match? < 1299501100 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, how do you know which program wins? < 1299501119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a program loses if it goes off either end of the tape, or the cell it started on becomes 0 for two cycles in a row < 1299501130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the second person to ask that recently, which implies to me that it should be clearer on the wiki page < 1299501146 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was unable to find the wiki page by googling < 1299501159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1299501178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /did/ you find by googling, if not that? < 1299501289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, isn't looking on Esolang typical for finding definitions of esoprogramming langauges? < 1299501292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*languages? < 1299501354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google for me when searching for "bfjoust" is all "Showing results for joust. Search instead for bfjoust." < 1299501379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But after searching-instead like it suggests, the wiki-page is first. < 1299501491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, "bfjoust" or "BF joust" gives Esolang < 1299501504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hits for "brainfuck joust" are retroprogramming (impomatic's blog) and Agora < 1299501531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creates redirect at [[Brainfuck Joust]] < 1299501814 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's why < 1299501825 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is at a lowered mental capacity today < 1299501836 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, mensa was definitely wrong about me :D < 1299501931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how expanding an abbreviation and not realising that would confuse Google is a sign of stupidity < 1299501932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that normally it makes Google less confused < 1299502001 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest xkcd: Worst ever? < 1299502065 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well according to elliottt everything i do is a sign of stupidity :) < 1299502075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think it's just a complaint in comic form < 1299502099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a reference to the fact that many sites, when visiting any of the pages on their main site on a mobile, redirect to the homepage of the mobile site, not the corresponding page on the mobile site) < 1299502101 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no comedic value whatsoever. < 1299502122 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that's cool, they sneaked zalgo into google search results < 1299502414 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *cough* reddit *cough* < 1299502585 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299503463 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299503787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just went and clarified http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust, and removed most of the gratuitous italics < 1299503789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better now? < 1299504327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :• pikhq_ wonders how Ferrero has the balls to claim that Nutella is an exceptionally healthy food. < 1299504334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferrero has the _best_ balls < 1299504384 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum < 1299504415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Bieng diagnsoed with a seriuos illenss or giong throguh a divocre ofetn triggres derpession." < 1299504421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently dyslexia < 1299504473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait are they doing it on _purpose_ to avoid filters? < 1299504514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299504608 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299505801 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/memes-you-code-in-c-son-i-am-disappoint.jpg < 1299505804 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299505987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's intentional, I just enjoyed "derpession" :P < 1299506222 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299506391 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299506466 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299506738 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have i been repeatedly pinged about space elevator? < 1299506797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall ais523 was about to write something on the wiki about it < 1299506846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also on my list of 5 longest programs on the hill. < 1299506925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that name, ought to be _the_ longest < 1299506942 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-182.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299506950 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299507783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299508081 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was _the_ longest when i first submitted it, which was part of the reason for giving it that name < 1299508150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still is, if you just discount Gregor's "Big Girls" series (FFSPG/FFLDG). < 1299508496 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-21.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299508806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Big Girls" X-D < 1299508840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, it's not an official name?-) < 1299508946 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i suppose it is still the longest program that was hand-assembled (the only generated parts are the defend sequences) < 1299509500 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program was assembled by the loving hands of Perl :P < 1299509746 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510031 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299510061 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062004.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: waterfall3 was assembled by hand, with a bit of help from copy and paste < 1299510088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's probably a bit shorter < 1299510111 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so sayeth fizzie's measurements earlier. < 1299510212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I just spent an hour or so benchmarking recursive hardware < 1299510233 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510234 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299510239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the famously inefficient fibonacci example as the benchmark (the fib(n) = fib(n-1) + fib(n-2) definition, plus base cases, without memoization or anything like that) < 1299510240 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds...dull? < 1299510253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be, although it's fun seeing your code running on the hardware < 1299510262 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hardware? < 1299510267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CPU still outperforms it, but only by a factor of 4 or so < 1299510269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FPGA < 1299510298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's only slower by a factor of 4, it's going to be much much faster when parallelised; the FPGA's quite capable of running 50 or so copies of the code at once < 1299510315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that code's at all useful to run multiple copies in parallel, but the concept generalises to more useful programs < 1299510345 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what CPU are you comparing to? is it something pipelined? < 1299510367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was my supervisor's MacBook < 1299510385 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510417 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510428 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299510439 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the macbook experiment run with the fib program set to run at real-time priority? < 1299510453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but we weren't trying to measure that accurately < 1299510480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm not even sure quite how you set something to realtime priority on a Mac; nor am I at all convinced that setting a process that doesn't yield and takes 30 seconds or so to run to rt priority is a good idea) < 1299510491 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, even while it was multiplexing 30 odd system services and apps, it still beat the FPGA by a factor of four? :P < 1299510506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I used user-time rather than realtime as the measurement, because it's more accurate to the time that a CPU-bound program takes < 1299510516 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299510520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, it's a single-threaded program, so the CPU and FPGA were both executing completely sequentially < 1299510521 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CPU has a faster clock rate, so you'd expect it to be faster < 1299510552 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510623 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS can't do realtime anyway. < 1299510629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even worse at realtime than Windows. < 1299510677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Windows is even worse than Linux < 1299510695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is far from good at it, without a whole bunch of customizations < 1299510768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, earthshatteringly important question: does "Brainfuck Joust" have a lowercase b when not at the start of a sentence? < 1299510772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no as that would just be weird < 1299510810 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see why you had to ask though < 1299510840 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earth slows down its rotation speed while such an important question hangs in the air < 1299510894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a pity that elliott isn't here < 1299510911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct capitalization is bRAINfUCK JOUST < 1299510914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd give a definitive answer that everyone would agree with < 1299510930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ouch, really? < 1299510934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I'd rather stay incorrect < 1299510943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yup. I decree it canon. < 1299510944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should ask Kerim Aydin about it, he invented the sport in the first place < 1299511051 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be correct < 1299511066 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to accept that Gregor might possibly even be maybe correct < 1299511106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299511170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, < 1299511170 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it is you get a crown? < 1299511175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi coppro < 1299511191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I can't remember; were you playing Agora when BF Joust was created? < 1299511196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the phenomenon start? < 1299511212 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phenomenon? < 1299511220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phenomenon! < 1299511229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phenomenon. < 1299511286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm trying Chromium on that triplock example; it runs the actual runs quite fast, and doesn't crash on the animation, but the animation is very slow for some reason < 1299511353 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299511439 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I joined after it died < 1299511444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, pity < 1299511470 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181138245.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299511984 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512092 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512093 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299512179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with mariolone? < 1299512186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the second time they've joined and quickly parted again < 1299512226 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they are a banned spambot < 1299512255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bans are very rare here, so... < 1299512258 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512259 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299512305 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ircname indicates it is a bot < 1299512433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's parting rather than quitting, so it's not a k-line < 1299512556 0 :mariolone1!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512556 0 :mariolone1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299512810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/5FkE7.jpg < 1299512817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *really* hope this is genuine. < 1299512831 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512831 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299512904 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ha < 1299513053 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299513089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think cheater is paid to advertise flash-aid whenever anyone has a problem with flash < 1299513094 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299513095 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299513098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1299513117 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at Circa < 1299513121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just uninstalls "wrong" flash versions and installs the "right" one for ubuntu, it's a firefox plugin < 1299513127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. useless < 1299513134 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the impression that the current syntax was hastily designed < 1299513138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater suggested it because pikhq was having flash v-sync issues. < 1299513269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:02:44 Deewiant: You might find http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/tmp.gif amusing too; the reference might be lost on non-.fi people, though. < 1299513269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure at least 80% of people in the world* know at least Jukka Korpela's site, but I'm struggling to find the reference. (The character encoding?) < 1299513273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*figure not made up, absolutely true < 1299513522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:55:46 hmm, I just went and clarified http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust, and removed most of the gratuitous italics < 1299513522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:55:48 is it better now? < 1299513528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you fix the terrible organisation? < 1299513600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least, calamari looked at the wiki page and had to ask in here to figure out HTF you won a match; I have a feeling that the losing condition isn't prominent enough... blergh, it's terribly rewritten, I'll rewrite it once I finish integrating Guile into mcmap < 1299513630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed the formatting and added more explanation < 1299513637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could still do with being organised a bit better < 1299513689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: on tape length 29, kettle polarity, waterfall3 takes 97389 cycles to beat simple, and at the time its flag has value -11 and is being cleared upwards with a 2-cycle clear < 1299513699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, there are only 22 cycles in it after 97389 < 1299513724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make a great example for the wiki, except it'd kill everyone's browsers < 1299513731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I put it in anyway? waterfall3 doesn't really win on short tapes < 1299513744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you update interior_crocodile_alligator? it's started beating waterfall3 for no obvious reason < 1299513805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as it should lose to it quite badly, strategy-wise < 1299513832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't, no < 1299513838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably chainlance got another shiny bug or something < 1299513905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I misread < 1299513913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fizzie_evo4, updated to beat waterfall3 < 1299513915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1299513925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:52:11 hmm, earthshatteringly important question: does "Brainfuck Joust" have a lowercase b when not at the start of a sentence? < 1299513925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:52:15 my guess is no as that would just be weird < 1299513930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no such thing as Brainfuck Joust < 1299513931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only BF Joust < 1299513938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really wanted to expand it, maybe "brainfuck joust" < 1299513941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was called Brainfuck Joust in the original contract < 1299513946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Brainfuck Joust at the start of a sentence! < 1299513952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but we don't play a game anything like that any more. < 1299513960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people still search for it, though < 1299513979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two people had to ask for the win condition, one couldn't find it in the wiki page, the other couldn't find the wiki page via Google < 1299513980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, cheater searches for it, and cheater is a troll and a (possibly on-purpose) idiot < 1299513992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari's confusion was due to bad wiki page organisation :P < 1299514001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:17 such a pity that elliott isn't here < 1299514001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:37 he'd give a definitive answer that everyone would agree with < 1299514001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I still think , should give 0 on EOF for majority compliance < 1299514005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you never agreed to that < 1299514011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that majority compliance? < 1299514025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there's enough evidence, considering how many crappy BF interps there are < 1299514033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, all the implementations that matter use , = 0 on EOF, apart from dbc's, which use no-change < 1299514046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bff, bff4, esotope, egobf < 1299514048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think programs should be written to allow no-change or 0 on EOF, with a trivial fix for if it's actually -1 < 1299514053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's another matter < 1299514058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1299514060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else if( z->c == ',' ){ m[mp] = getchar(); continue; } < 1299514063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bff4 is just broken < 1299514067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think EOF is guaranteed to be -1 < 1299514071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think interps with more than an 8-bit tape should use -1 or no-change < 1299514080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there aren't many of those < 1299514080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit tape is also canon :P < 1299514084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299514105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, , being 0 is more elegant in most code < 1299514110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, should I post this 97389-cycle monstrosity on the wiki as an example of waterfall3? < 1299514112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the loop structure is fundamentally based on 0 < 1299514116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BUT OF COURSE < 1299514119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using my wonderful template < 1299514129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you need a powerful computer to run it and a browser really good at JS? < 1299514136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely going to describe the program on the wiki < 1299514144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to know which example to use < 1299514153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one shows off quite a lot of what the program can do, but it's so long < 1299514218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds it anyway < 1299514233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : even though you need a powerful computer to run it and a browser really good at JS? < 1299514242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is where we see the fine border between ais523 < 1299514248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is where we see the fine border between ais523's universe and everyone else's universe. < 1299514262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's the wikisyntax for kettle polarity? < 1299514288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lemme check < 1299514303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: |p=1 < 1299514308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even, wait < 1299514313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299514314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|p=1 < 1299514418 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299514467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299514468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kettle polarity? < 1299514498 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181142197.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299514501 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299514512 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299514513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Inverted polarity for people who have a problem with being clear. < 1299514514 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, +- < 1299514521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299514572 0 :elliott!5b694c60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299514582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, X < 1299514587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you so crashy X_X < 1299514597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest97317 < 1299514606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It heard you saying you were going to leave it for Wayland. < 1299514606 0 :Guest97317!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:26:14 http://i.imgur.com/5FkE7.jpg 16:26:21 I *really* hope this is genuine. < 1299514608 0 :Guest97317!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not. < 1299514611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww. < 1299514624 0 :Guest97317!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest97318 < 1299514627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still pretty funny, though. < 1299514684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just not happy with that guest number? :P < 1299514698 0 :Guest97318!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest97319 < 1299514699 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god < 1299514701 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm incrementing < 1299514703 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is next! < 1299514789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299514808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom__Hoover < 1299514820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299514823 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom___Hoover < 1299514842 0 :Phantom___Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom____Hoove < 1299514851 0 :Phantom____Hoove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn nick limits. < 1299514856 0 :Phantom____Hoove!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1299514906 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungou < 1299514917 0 :fungou!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungov < 1299514921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it's contagious! < 1299514933 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOO < 1299514935 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S GETTING < 1299514936 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPONENTIAL < 1299514945 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest97320 < 1299514954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now known as Gregor < 1299514963 0 :Guest97320!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest194640 < 1299514977 0 :Guest194640!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest389280 < 1299514988 0 :Guest389280!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest15153891840 < 1299515003 0 :Guest15153891840!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: overflow < 1299515003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it isn't Ackermann < 1299515079 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1299515128 0 :elliott_!5b694c60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299515142 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299515155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that, friends, is why you always identify. < 1299515174 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299515186 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181128191.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299515319 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299515441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? < 1299515453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Exponentials. < 1299515465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the silliness has passed? < 1299515467 0 :fungov!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungot < 1299515493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char is always at least 8 bits, right? < 1299515537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in C99 it is. < 1299515547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might well be in earlier editions too. < 1299515547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : packet_add_byte(p, (jbyte) scm_to_char(scm_car(scheme_field))); < 1299515549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good :-P < 1299515554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*schar < 1299515558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think jbytes are signed. < 1299515561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No?) < 1299515573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java "byte" is. < 1299515582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the name would suggest so. < 1299515595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's int8_t. < 1299515778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, before anyone shouts at me, waterfall3's constants were tweaked by a genuine genetic algorithm, not just evolutionary < 1299515786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even did crossover/sexual reproduction < 1299515829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between genetic and evolutionary? < 1299515845 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299515884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genetic's a subtype that has reproduction and a genotype, IIRC < 1299515975 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181137157.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: amazing < 1299516160 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm taking a bio class now *sigh* < 1299516381 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299516467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, my description of waterfall3 is really long compared to the others < 1299516491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was trying to explain what the program actually did, and it's less simple than most of the other descriptions as there are so many cases < 1299516555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think the triplock is going to turn up a lot more in the future < 1299516562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that two of the best current programs use it < 1299516726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how come ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys is doing so well < 1299516735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 4 decoys the most common number at the moment? < 1299516768 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299516769 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: char is always 8 bits in all versions of C < 1299516776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: wrong < 1299516783 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181143033.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516789 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in C89 it is. In C99 it is. perhaps pre-standard it wasn't < 1299516796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's allowed to be more than 8, although the only other values I know of it having are 9 (some old mainframes), and 32 (DSPs) < 1299516803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think CHAR_BIT is in the standards? < 1299516809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have to be 8 in POSIX, though < 1299516814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust triple_tripwire_avoider (+)*20(++>)*4(-->[>>(>[+[--[(-)*120[-]]]])*21])*23(>++[-])*2 < 1299516816 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm your right. I should have said "at least 8 bits" < 1299516826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair enough < 1299516844 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking at least but didn't type it. Meh < 1299516896 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot? < 1299516941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1299516944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1299516947 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1299516950 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516950 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299516950 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516988 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more chainlance bugs? ;) < 1299516994 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust do_nothing_forever [.] < 1299516996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it hasn't even started < 1299517006 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the scores? < 1299517017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/report.txt < 1299517030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/breakdown.txt is stats for the last/current run < 1299517037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still showing the last run, which is a sign that it hasn't started < 1299517043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, now it has < 1299517067 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious to see how well do nothing will do < 1299517077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around 4.2, typically < 1299517131 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_do_nothing_forever: 5.7 < 1299517131 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_triple_tripwire_avoider: 37.7 < 1299517160 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow - I won Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys.bfjoust vs variable_do_nothing_forever.bfjoust < 1299517168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tripwire avoider < 1299517179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust _double_tripwire_avoider < < 1299517195 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__double_tripwire_avoider: 0.0 < 1299517200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quadruple_tripwire_avoider (+)*20(++>)*4(-->[>>>(>[+[--[(-)*120[-]]]])*21])*23(>++[-])*2 < 1299517213 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Score for variable_do_nothing_forever: 5.7 --> heh < 1299517223 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_quadruple_tripwire_avoider: 26.3 < 1299517232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quadruple_tripwire_avoider < < 1299517235 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_quadruple_tripwire_avoider: 0.0 < 1299517247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quintuple_tripwire_avoider (+)*20(++>)*4(-->[>>>>(>[+[--[(-)*120[-]]]])*21])*23(>++[-])*2 < 1299517259 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_quintuple_tripwire_avoider: 24.3 < 1299517271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quintuple_tripwire_avoider < < 1299517274 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_quintuple_tripwire_avoider: 0.0 < 1299517280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sextuple_tripwire_avoider (+)*20(++>)*4(-->[>>>>>(>[+[--[(-)*120[-]]]])*21])*23(>++[-])*2 < 1299517283 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_sextuple_tripwire_avoider: 23.5 < 1299517288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sextuple_tripwire_avoider < < 1299517291 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_sextuple_tripwire_avoider: 0.0 < 1299517294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like 3's optimum on the current hill < 1299517328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect optimal tripwire avoidance count will rise as time goes on, with current strategies < 1299517358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should say, current trends < 1299517461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attack and defence are so different nowadays < 1299517469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you get to try a whole load of different defences if you like < 1299517474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you use an attack, you have to commit to it < 1299517488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a really slow one, which is counterproductive < 1299517655 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299517748 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_change_anything [.<>.] < 1299517751 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_this_change_anything: 0.0 < 1299517754 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_change_anything [..] < 1299517763 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_this_change_anything: 4.4 < 1299517777 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1299517833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the score of a nop is a reflection of the number of tripwire-avoiders on the hill, more than anything else < 1299517860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pure draws don't add to score for whatever reason, so it doesn't count pure defenders as well like you might expect it to, not that pure defenders really exist nowadays) < 1299518022 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust just_do_this > < 1299518025 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_just_do_this: 4.2 < 1299518048 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I enjoy seeing how simple strategies do in various games. < 1299518054 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust just_do_that < < 1299518056 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_just_do_that: 0.0 < 1299518064 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust just_do_that . < 1299518067 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_just_do_that: 4.2 < 1299518081 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust only_add + < 1299518083 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_only_add: 5.9 < 1299518101 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299518101 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299518101 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299518102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299518142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, after reading through discussion at Agora, it's struck me that if I were very evil I could submit a huge number of copies of waterfall3 and push all other programs off the hill (this always happens if you have a program that beats everything, and submit enough copies of it) < 1299518153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I won't, because there wouldn't be much point < 1299518164 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at Agora? < 1299518198 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1299518255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old archives < 1299518258 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299518259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of when BF Joust was created < 1299518272 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, would that still apply with the fixed point scoring system? < 1299518335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe not < 1299518346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it obviously draws with itself, that might make a foothold hard to gain < 1299518349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not obvious either way to me < 1299518370 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try it out, for science < 1299518373 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Back up the hill :P < 1299518380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's automatically backed up < 1299518382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't suggest it < 1299518387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll definitely work on the /current/ hill < 1299518392 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Back up the entire hill manually < 1299518396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all hypothetical future hills that the issue's about < 1299518410 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hill is in Mercurial anyway. < 1299518418 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You asked for it < 1299518431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1299518442 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ais523_waterfall3_1 http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/ais523_waterfall3.bfjoust < 1299518448 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy vey < 1299518448 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for elliott__ais523_waterfall3_1: 55.6 < 1299518449 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ais523_waterfall3_2 http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/ais523_waterfall3.bfjoust < 1299518453 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for elliott__ais523_waterfall3_2: 53.5 < 1299518454 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it in /msg X-D < 1299518476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, time to go home < 1299518479 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're actually getting a worse score each time < 1299518487 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, this one is going slowly < 1299518489 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Duh" < 1299518498 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the question is whether it'll push everything else off < 1299518520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will, it'll get lower scores but still form a higher block. < 1299518536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's obvious on the current hill < 1299518537 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Which is a flaw in the scoring system :P < 1299518543 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stop now, Gregor should probably revert that. < 1299518544 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not. < 1299518546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend you put the hill back to normal, anyway, at some point < 1299518556 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better to revert, since things will have been pushed off < 1299518556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to protect it from elliott's evil experimentation < 1299518611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299518845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i_regret_everything < < 1299518848 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_i_regret_everything: 0.0 < 1299518858 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1299519050 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easiest way to get it to rerun the hill :P < 1299519373 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299519459 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299519459 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299519459 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299519514 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029002.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299519554 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299520430 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: where is your hg repo of the channel logS? < 1299520538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: See PM < 1299520642 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I thought they were public now < 1299520671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're public if they're in the /topic X-P < 1299520680 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, I may or may not care, I vacillate on that :P < 1299520707 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets up a bot to download all of Gregor's logs every five seconds. < 1299520708 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299520730 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches elliott_'s internet connection slow down < 1299520748 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running it on my botnet. < 1299520764 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust one . < 1299520764 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust two [.] < 1299520764 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference - lets see < 1299520769 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299520774 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those programs are literally identical < 1299520781 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they get a different score it's because of things being pushed off the hill < 1299520793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should make a scientific computing botnet ... spread a virus, hack a bunch of machines, then use them to cure cancer :P < 1299520803 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_one: 4.1 < 1299520803 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_two: 4.1 < 1299520814 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: its called @home < 1299520815 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's called Folding@Home < 1299520818 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: *hi5* < 1299520824 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyword here is "botnet" < 1299520829 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yep < 1299520831 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "spread by virii" < 1299520848 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A memetic virus, but yes. < 1299520854 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy, that is so many levels of bullshit. < 1299520857 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hey, you, install F@H! Join my team!" "Okay!") < 1299520870 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fictional Richard Dawkins FUMES AT YOU < 1299520908 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should box up Folding@Home with an actual worm, thereby forcing anybody too stupid to upgrade from Windows $OBSOLETE to at least cure cancer :P < 1299520922 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how are memes bullshit ? < 1299520926 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has been bandied about too many times that someone should make a virus that upgrades IE. < 1299520940 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targeting IE 6, naturally. < 1299520945 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Upgrades it to Firefox, say X-P) < 1299520960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: The description of that as a virus, given my previous statements, is just being a contrarian asshat. < 1299520976 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: on any windows computer I touch I replace IE with with FF and change the image icon to the IE logo < 1299520985 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? A contrarian asshat? My my! < 1299520998 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: You should probably not touch too many Windows computers. < 1299520998 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I know, it's so unlike you! < 1299521000 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially corporate ones X-P < 1299521011 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No it isn't, dickwad! < 1299521028 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *brain axplote* < 1299521096 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, there's an interesting GC concept. I should steal it for @. < 1299521115 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299521123 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299521155 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: @ = elliottOS, my pie-in-the-goddamn-sky pipe dream of an OS; and < 1299521169 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://wingolog.org/archives/2011/02/25/ports-weaks-gc-and-dark-matter grep /garbage collectors, yo/ < 1299521177 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a meta-post-of-posts, the rest is irrelevant.) < 1299521194 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Linux/x86 stuff is of course irrelevant, it's the GC concept itself that would work well in an OS environment.) < 1299521281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's clever, using the page fault as your barrier. < 1299521313 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an OS might actually be able to get away with constantly running a GC... < 1299521320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it would be difficult to guarantee that /eventually/ all pointers get changed, so it's not clear from this tiny description how to ever reuse memory space, but *eh* :P < 1299521349 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I wonder if you don't _have_ to run the GC _all_ the time... < 1299521352 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, just have it as a regular thread. < 1299521358 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was thinking about devoting an entire core to it.) < 1299521376 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Consider that 4, 6, 8 core systems are becoming ubiquitous. 4-core, at least.) < 1299521408 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Mind you, in the context of @, it's going to be GC'ing *disk*. < 1299521413 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is going to be ... interesting ... < 1299521414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually having only one core for GC won't scale, but for the time being *shrugs* < 1299521423 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I just mean one core constantly in use :P < 1299521431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1299521440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually having only one core constantly in use for GC won't scale. < 1299521451 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Specifically, because in @, memory is just cache of disk, and both memory and disk map to artificial 64-bit address space... < 1299521460 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So GC happens at the disk level, basically. < 1299521485 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although probably 90% of GC will be done at the memory level, partial GCing of the disk does have to happen *occasionally* (preferably very spread out). < 1299521489 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like say when you run out of disk. < 1299521503 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it partially would be far preferable to scanning the whole disk, though X-D < 1299521562 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Gregor slowly backs away from the madman. < 1299521598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh* < 1299521661 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's Gregor for "slowly backs away from the madman", right? < 1299521696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1299521698 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like *eh* < 1299521742 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Define *eh* :P < 1299521786 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh* (i): An interjection meaning, roughly "I find this so unlikely to reach fruition that its details are irrelevant." < 1299521840 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hey man, I've written SEVERAL boot sectors. < 1299521848 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEVERAL. < 1299521855 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299521893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were my suggestions for polarity names? < 1299521923 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source and Antisource I think < 1299522171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concludes that elliott needs an injection of time < 1299522226 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wish to become a TIME JUNKIE. < 1299522245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, CLEARLY YOU NEED TO ACCELERATE THE EARTH TO RELATIVISTIC SPEEDS < 1299522422 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know Guile, so forgive me for asking, but why all the parentheses (particularly closing parentheses)? Even with my most parentheses ridden JavaScript or Python code, I've never seen so many. o.o < 1299522422 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with a text editor that highlights matching pairs of paren's/brackets with good accuracy, I would think it'd be difficult to keep track with that many." < 1299522438 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE ARE PYTHON AND JAVASCRIPT PROGRAMMERS WHO DO NOT KNOW WHAT LISP IS < 1299522441 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM GOING TO CRY NOW -> < 1299522490 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to hugbox < 1299522516 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299522525 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Bahahaha < 1299522529 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with libertarians and pretending to be confused to express their idiotic viewpoints? < 1299522531 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm confused, why should the government have any say in whatever negotiations I make with an employer?" < 1299522533 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, they do it all the time. < 1299522545 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always phrased as the innocent question borne of ignorance; the genuine confusion. < 1299522558 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LAUGHING IS NOT CRYING, THIS SITUATION CALLS FOR CRYING. < 1299522572 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused, why would you be deciding about what a libertarian should or should not be saying? < 1299522797 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299522860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299522868 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-41.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299523037 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wanna try and answer my Haskell code structure question? :-P < 1299523089 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Australia, you don't have to put .au" < 1299523131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/06/AR2011030602662.htmlhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/06/AR2011030602662.html < 1299523133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299523148 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe elliott is infecting this channel with questions about mainstream programming langs < 1299523157 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well start talking about php < 1299523187 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're really the worst elliottt < 1299523211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, my professors are the worst. < 1299523247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ? < 1299523256 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you have cheater00 on ignore < 1299523265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've never looked back. < 1299523290 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody has cheater on ignore. < 1299523293 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, that was after you dropped off the deep end! < 1299523298 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least three channel regulars (including me). < 1299523311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo doesn't, and was coming dangerously close to taking relationship advice from him. < 1299523320 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know, I was watching. < 1299523320 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: are the other two channel regulars other personalities in your head? < 1299523327 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299523361 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how cute, you'd see Sgeo have a shitty life rather than have me talk to him. < 1299523376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, I'm not going to become an asshole. < 1299523382 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thank you < 1299523397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, which is why I'm ignoring your advice < 1299523405 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i know. < 1299523411 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the world has enough assholes as it is. < 1299523412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, *please* put him on ignore. < 1299523436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to get rid of him is if oerjan comes to his senses and bans him or noöne feeds him. < 1299523453 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking about this in-channel is feeding. < 1299523456 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it to /msg. < 1299523474 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeeed meeeee < 1299523752 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: how goes the shenanigans? < 1299523758 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Totally shanny. < 1299523774 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, I think the packing stuff will work. Haven't worked on it much; have been busy integrating Guile into mcmap. < 1299523798 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... how will that help bring forth a boot-sector forth? < 1299523811 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I'm going to rewrite it in SCHEME < 1299523814 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a 10-byte Scheme runtime. < 1299524059 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299524534 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299524544 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132154.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299524734 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PAD is a catalog of the author's attempt to lift each and every item in his apartment with his dick. Nothing is spared his strength—from the furniture to the walls, from the coins in the coin jar to the cards in the card decks." --an actual book. < 1299524790 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1299524791 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good for him < 1299524807 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BEST BOOK EVER < 1299524826 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reads like a parody book description :P < 1299524844 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, a parod...ical {book description} < 1299524889 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pariodical < 1299524896 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299525638 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299526080 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb Patashu < 1299526108 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: you should be able to get on the current bf joust hill without studying extensively; Gregor (and quintopia) started out doing silly programs that only won in certain cases, and their strategies gradually evolved to what they are now < 1299526186 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299526200 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1299526202 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you parenthesize quintopia :P < 1299526244 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ISTR quintopia did slightly less stupid things than you to startwith :) < 1299526246 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*start with < 1299526264 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff :P < 1299526285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust gregor_still_does_stupid_things (>)*9([[-]]>)*21 < 1299526351 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299526380 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299526381 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_gregor_still_does_stupid_things: 17.0 < 1299526446 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299526499 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299526685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Gregor for stupid naming -----### < 1299526702 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what happened to your naming convention? it should be masochistic_slave_gregor or something < 1299526776 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299527095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299527227 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299527481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, olsner: Come on, this was a once-off :P < 1299527601 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no excuse, you need to be careful about these things < 1299527610 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299527660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we'll kill you < 1299527663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's kill Gregor with forky knives < 1299527706 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treat him to ye olde plastic forks with serrated edges < 1299527714 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha < 1299527780 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when they display the whole episode before it happens, and/or show a recap of the previous episode, but in a way that it's not clear which it is < 1299527857 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.09: 128k+64k+32k+8k+2k+3x1k to Japan, 512k+8k to China, 2k to Cambodia, 4k to New Zealand, 2k+/32 to Australia, 512k+256k to Thailand, /32 to Pakistan. < 1299527913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i hate it when flies die. < 1299527921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr $ 128+64+32+8+2+3 < 1299527922 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\237' < 1299527929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1299527943 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no you don't, you don't care the least < 1299527952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but i do. < 1299527958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr chr chr chr chr < 1299527958 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int' < 1299527959 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type ... < 1299527974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc is the only compiler with like three error messages < 1299528000 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299528036 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299528080 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299528275 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299528465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299528554 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-184-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299528590 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299528616 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299529140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O... K... < 1299529153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUCTeX's previews have just stopped working for me. < 1299529176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get little red stop signs everywhere. < 1299529288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR FREE PREVIEW IS OVER < 1299529331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO < 1299529381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is seriously annoying. < 1299529494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a Ghostscript issue... < 1299529677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Error: /typecheck in --setfileposition--]] < 1299531029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Debian problem and noöne on #debian cares, so I'll have to grin and bear it. < 1299531105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299532166 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299532217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299532474 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299532824 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299533096 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299533175 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. If >0.35 blocks more are used by APNIC this week (there's 4 days for that), then the equivalent of whole APNIC ERX space (~1.55 blocks) has been wiped out in 2 weeks. :-/ < 1299533339 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently ERX space is 1.58 blocks or thereabouts. < 1299533459 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299533459 0 :Mannerisky!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299533616 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299533671 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299534152 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299534311 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/02/17/y-combinator/ < 1299534312 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299534686 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299534820 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299535154 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299535468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299535827 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299535995 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299536608 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299536685 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299537349 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299537384 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-133-101.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299537606 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, APNIC is going nuts. < 1299537695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1299537702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299537980 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299538004 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: why? < 1299538103 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299538119 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: See Ilari. < 1299538129 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg That is one crazy section of border. < 1299538140 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enclaves of enclaves! < 1299538201 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those crazy gales < 1299538231 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's a single town. < 1299538236 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, de jure two towns. < 1299538247 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the border *does* go right down the middle of buildings. < 1299538603 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it go right down the middle of rooms though? < 1299538608 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fun < 1299538664 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299538670 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299538675 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could put a couch right on the border < 1299538680 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sit there with a buddy < 1299538698 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be like "hey netherlands, can you reach me the potato chips" < 1299538711 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank goodness that Europe has gotten relatively sane, and so if you're entitled to be on one side of the border you're entitled to be on the other side. < 1299538740 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he'd be like "sure belgium, let me order my diplomats to do just that." < 1299538744 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think before Schegen, it could have *technically* been illegal for you to sleep on the wrong side of your own house. < 1299538747 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diploMATES. < 1299538754 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schengen < 1299538764 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ya < 1299538810 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think so because in many countries border citizens (people who live in the very vincinity of the border) are usually allowed on both sides < 1299538833 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the US! < 1299538879 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa has no borders inside it < 1299538892 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there are exceptions for those buildings that are physically on the border, allowing you to be anywhere *in the building* without going through customs. < 1299538906 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you leave through the wrong door, you're screwed. < 1299538915 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are you talking about state borders? < 1299538920 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299538920 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are customs on state borders? < 1299538923 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US-Canada border. < 1299538926 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1299538937 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's stupid but it's MORE understandable < 1299538968 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Constitution *bans* customs on state borders, IIRC. < 1299539010 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's quite a lot of stuff crossing state borders. What with there being 50 states and all... < 1299539282 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299539357 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1299539402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: The Finland/Sweden border has this thing on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M%C3%A4rket_Island_map.svg -- it's not *quite* as complex as your map though. < 1299539425 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299539446 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to see a fractal border. < 1299539467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rationale for that goes approximately "whoops, we built this lighthouse on the wrong side, and now we can't change the coastline and/or the overall land area". < 1299539579 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299540843 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-193-241.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299540848 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299540943 0 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299541246 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any brainfuck variant with fork like command? < 1299541274 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking a fork and set cell to zero so the parent and child could do different things < 1299541323 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh... "Thanks for pointing this out. I never anticipated such high burn rate when I initially programmed the dashboard…" (Lagerholm about site bug report). < 1299541638 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228061116.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299541651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Brainfork. < 1299541661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfork < 1299541689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dammit i was about to type this snarky comment... < 1299541733 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ty < 1299541850 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299542100 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the beginning of this year, APNIC had (including future allocations from IANA but excluding setaside blocks) 6.18 blocks free. It is now down to 2.80 blocks (more than 50% relative depletion in little over 2 months).