< 1300320084 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-179-12.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300320087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300320095 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300320817 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300320824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300321344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300321361 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300321841 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300321870 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300322291 0 :nathy!~Nathalie@212.203.98.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300323393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300323393 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300323411 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-238-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300323785 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224201079.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300323960 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300324436 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1300325945 0 :nathy!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300326108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1300326112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/03/michigan-declares-financial-martial-law/35861/ < 1300326145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michigan is now under fascist rule. < 1300326277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, literally, fascism. < 1300326335 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq didn't notice what with the partial nuclear meltdown ;P < 1300326446 0 :Alex_Megaroide!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1300326537 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300326567 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300326726 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1300326765 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300326793 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300327000 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300328144 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300328190 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300328654 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300328688 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1300328688 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1300328691 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quote < 1300328745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1300328766 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no shit sherlock < 1300328771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wrong bot durp :P < 1300328789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Wut? < 1300328796 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about fascism in michigan < 1300328832 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300328860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1300328860 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123) * Warrigal refuses to say goodbye to Quas NaArt, as he is coming closer, not going farther. < 1300328967 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moved my bots off Codu for now. < 1300329145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo blehboop < 1300329146 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blehboop < 1300329881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Textadupadup < 1300329883 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :114 ++++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>.+++++++++++++++++.>.----.<----.+++.>+.>++++.<<---.+++.>.>.>--. [397] < 1300329889 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW that's fast :P < 1300329972 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timing buffered disk reads: 4 MB in 4.34 seconds = 942.73 kB/sec laaaaaaaaaaawl < 1300330323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, they're moving me to a different server. < 1300330949 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1300330956 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prgmr is? < 1300330972 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1300331041 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your bf_txtgen implementation tune the number of values that it plays with and their initial values until it hits a local minimum? < 1300331086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not mine, and it's a genetic algorithm, and that's all I know about it :P < 1300331101 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody assumes it's mine just because my bot contains it, even though it also contains dozens of interpreters I didn't write :P < 1300331149 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i just meant "your" in the sense of "the one you use"...and i assumed you knew something more about it than that because it's the one you use >.> < 1300331162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know ... how to call it :P < 1300331171 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know whether it runs a per-string GA, or the whole program was GA-generated? < 1300331195 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per-string GA. < 1300331211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is human-written Java. < 1300331239 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300331435 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what the numbers it outputs mean? < 1300331442 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the first one is the length < 1300331588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is length, the other is the generation. < 1300331595 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose the shortest one within the first 1000 generations or something. < 1300331946 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the "cool factor" here more important than getting the shortest string possible? < 1300333946 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, no? < 1300333963 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortest string possible isn't very easy to calculate ... < 1300333977 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean actual optimal < 1300333994 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant if there were an algorithm that yielded better results than the current one, would you switch to it < 1300334003 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1300334015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'd prefer that somebody just give me an hg bundle so I don't have to do any switching myself :P < 1300334019 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has been tried? < 1300334033 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much nothing :P < 1300334035 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has done quite well. < 1300334056 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i held a coding competition for this problem a few years ago, right? < 1300334081 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if a "try a bunch of tuned heuristics and pick the best one" couldn't outdo the GA < 1300334193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could make a much better GA. :P < 1300334889 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how the GA works pikhq? < 1300334964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just tweaking a single setting loop and a string of +-<>. to output the string. < 1300334972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty dang naïve. < 1300336167 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: at some point in report.c do you store the values of "number of times p beat q" (bfjoust)? < 1300336179 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, where can i extract them from? < 1300336200 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's there. < 1300336209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's what's in the global var "scores" < 1300336439 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300336656 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a 2D array of signed chars? so scores[p][q] is the value i'm looking for? < 1300336726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a 2D array in the C sense; double-indirection is for pussies. < 1300336771 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scores[p*programCount+q] then < 1300336775 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one problem < 1300336793 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1300336797 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks harder
< 1300336872 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it only saves the score of p vs. q in there if q>p < 1300336883 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i misreading? < 1300337112 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to go check :P
< 1300337157 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it always stores it there. < 1300337203 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowait < 1300337211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, I misread your misreading X-P < 1300337224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it only stores it for the lower program. < 1300337230 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the score for the other is just the inverse of that. < 1300337259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The winner() function will (contrary to its name) always give you the proper score. < 1300337370 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHVrE1NTgxI < 1300337481 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh] < 1300337503 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the score exactly? < 1300337508 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remind me) < 1300337520 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall it is pwins-qwins < 1300337544 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300337545 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300337549 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300337552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rwins-lwins < 1300337557 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300337564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if left wins it's negative, if right wins it's positive. < 1300337566 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like strcmp < 1300337566 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll need to modify winner then < 1300337578 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make a new thing like it < 1300337588 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i need the actual values pwins and qwins < 1300337606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohohohoh < 1300337613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I didn't know you needed exactly that. < 1300337629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that that's not reported isn't even report.c's fault, the interpreter doesn't report it. < 1300337642 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300337645 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1300337657 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have to hack that too < 1300337668 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gearlance.c right? < 1300337792 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300338023 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found the relevant score summarization data < 1300338637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey. < 1300338659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franklin's daylight savings time proposal was almost certainly meant as a joke. < 1300338672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Franklin's essay also "suggested" ringing church bells and firing cannons at dawn to ensure that nobody would be excluded from his benevolent gesture.' < 1300338692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I don't have to blame *him* for it. < 1300338699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just everyone who failed at reading comprehension. < 1300338959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your readers, who with me have never seen any sign of sunshine before noon, and seldom regard the astronomical part of the almanac, will be as much astonished as I was, when they hear of his rising so early; and especially when I assure them, that he gives light as soon as he rises. I am convinced of this." < 1300339009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still adores these guys: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/
< 1300339026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm especially fond of the randomly-generated *speeches* they gave. < 1300339688 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300340220 0 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300341277 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300341450 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300341451 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300341457 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300341485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so easy to get rid of noobs < 1300341494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY, STOP THAT. < 1300341500 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twasn't me! < 1300341503 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points at PH
< 1300341520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats phantom_hoover in absentia -----###
< 1300341561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:37 --- join: elliott (~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott) joined #esoteric < 1300341561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:44 --- quit: elliott (Remote host closed the connection) < 1300341563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1300341571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300341706 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you miss him? :P < 1300341716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1300341737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have a bad conscience about this. < 1300341738 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry a bit then < 1300341810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not _that_ bad. < 1300341860 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1300342006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:11:32 So, I don't have to blame *him* for it. < 1300342006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:11:39 Just everyone who failed at reading comprehension. < 1300342074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be glad they didn't all misinterpret swift in the same way :D < 1300342117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm an atheist now. Aren't we supposed to eat babies? :P < 1300342131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO I'VE HEARD < 1300342141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omnomnom. < 1300342151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do put the baby on the plate! < 1300342255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1300342265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1300342278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure the puzzle out yet? < 1300342290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked you a couple more questions in the logs < 1300342300 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont log read. ask them again < 1300342326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one was if you can always add another 4-cycle < 1300342342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another was if 1 2-cycle + 1 6-cycle is a member < 1300342342 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean just take an arbitrary graph and tack on a 4-cycle? < 1300342351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an arbitrary member < 1300342354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1300342361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterexample? < 1300342372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that to the other. < 1300342377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its to both, actually < 1300342425 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the adding a 4-cycle thing might actually be true < 1300342427 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme think about this < 1300342444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i more or less assumed you'd have included it. is the new example list also still with all subgraph examples included? < 1300342450 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not true. < 1300342456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1300342510 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, all the puzzles are complete. no subgraphs are ever missing the way im doing this < 1300342521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1300342538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does that mean you have to check subgraphs to check a graph < 1300342565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300342601 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe the adding-a-4-cycle is true. its hard to know :p < 1300342629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see anything contradicting it in the examples, at least < 1300342824 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any ideas about whats underlying this? < 1300342832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1300342855 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres some stuff that seems plausible to ask that you're not asking < 1300342875 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you see the second puzzle showing a natural subset of the first puzzle? < 1300342878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undoubtedly < 1300342895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking at it but there are no bells ringing yet < 1300342913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bells dont have to be clearly related < 1300342964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the second list include everything from the first that is also in the natural subset? < 1300342974 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1300342997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't leave out anything from the first puzzle list that should be in the second list? < 1300343002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300343037 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to try to keep that sort of thing synchronized, so if i reveal more in one puzzle, and another puzzle is a natural subset, i'll reveal more there too < 1300343074 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, if i reveal more about the subset, i'll reveal some more of the superset (in a natural way) that keeps them synched < 1300343139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the second puzzle also have the disjoint union property? < 1300343167 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really what i could do is just mark the first puzzle's subset members with some sort of adornment < 1300343183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300343199 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it wont be as easy to see < 1300343213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you replace a 6-cycle by a 2-cycle, is that still a member? < 1300343213 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no, regarding the second puzzle < 1300343220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first puzzle) < 1300343232 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. im not sure. < 1300343260 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking too much about the details. you need to step back a bit. < 1300343270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the membership related to whether the graph can be embedded in some larger structure? < 1300343316 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its possible, but i have no idea. < 1300343351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it related to linguistics? < 1300343354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1300343389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to anything other than math? < 1300343397 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you eman by math. < 1300343426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something non-abstract? < 1300343435 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i suppose. < 1300343466 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i may ask a leading question < 1300343469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about flow? < 1300343477 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rephrase < 1300343491 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300343496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300343501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there are no sinks or sources, but is it related to something flowing between the vertices? < 1300343510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than just the edges) < 1300343520 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhhh sort of. < 1300343552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lead away < 1300343591 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let me just state < 1300343603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you pointed out initially they were digraphs. is that an intrinsic part of the property or just a corollary? < 1300343630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of the construction, perhaps < 1300343639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lets say that being digraphs is what you'd expect given how they're generated < 1300343666 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that they're not generated from some formula about graphs, as such. < 1300343716 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of what graphs are < 1300343720 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond merely graphs < 1300343739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are diagrams, also relations < 1300343764 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sorts of diagrams, what sorts of relations < 1300343805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_any_ relation is a graph, really. diagrams with dots and arrows. < 1300343818 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes graphs are diagrams with dots and arrows < 1300343825 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you dont just have diagrams floating around in space < 1300343831 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :devoid of, shall we say, meaning < 1300343842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE ARE SOME ON RUSSELL'S TEAPOT < 1300343869 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how little i know about the mathematical properties it should be clear that im not cranking a graph theory machine, here < 1300343892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the vertices correspond to two sets of natural objects? < 1300343899 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1300343962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're digraphs so the vertices can be divided into two sets with all edges between the sets. but is this division based on some natural distinction between vertices in the construction? < 1300344000 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean can the vertices be partitioned into two sets which each constitute some natural class? < 1300344005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the vertices represent people somehow? < 1300344009 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300344017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1300344073 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me reiterate that this puzzle is unusually appropriate for this channel < 1300344085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...do they represent esolangs? < 1300344090 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300344109 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose that depends on what you mean by esolang! < 1300344111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flow control? < 1300344121 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days almost anything can be an esolang! < 1300344136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300344137 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flow control, not as such < 1300344156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar? < 1300344190 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again i suppose that depends on what you mean by grammar, given the broadness of this concept < 1300344195 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in the right area < 1300344206 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now look at the damn graphs < 1300344216 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont pay attention to the members of the graphs < 1300344219 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at what they _are_ < 1300344223 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digraphs < 1300344230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrows from nodes to nodes < 1300344330 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is some non-graph-theoretic rational behind having graphs at all < 1300344334 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could that rational be < 1300344358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a relation between the vertices. < 1300344364 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit sherlock < 1300344377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that just is what a graph is < 1300344390 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not some sort of prior rational for having graphs at all < 1300344425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry but the construction workers have started _and_ the neighbors' dog is barking. my brain shall now be unusable for the next 8 hours. < 1300344559 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does mean after a process? < 1300344572 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, what likely happened to the process < 1300344600 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to drive home. while im doing so, contemplate what would naturally lend itself to yielding directed graphs as a way of visualization < 1300344603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300344638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...augur didn't get that part about unusable brain, i take. < 1300345425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're supposed to eventually start drilling as well. i don't know what i will do then but you will probably hear about it on the news. < 1300345856 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300346069 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300346549 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gifts oerjan some noise-cancelling headphones
< 1300346886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention the vibrations in the ground? probably not, as they hadn't started yet. < 1300346899 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: earth quake? < 1300346909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1300346919 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loud bassline? < 1300346928 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thumpa thumpa thumpa < 1300346935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chainsaw, possibly. < 1300346943 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays you music
< 1300347316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i shall have some respite from horror as i have a dentist appointment today. < 1300347337 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.x < 1300347343 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, any ideas? < 1300347360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think i'm _joking_ about my brain being unusable? < 1300347362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1300347365 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ok < 1300348799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1300348800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1300350347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300350376 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300350475 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300351514 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300352152 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the only thing that can help you now is LOUD MUSIC < 1300352198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm doomed, then. < 1300352228 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps oerjan around a bit with a DOOMSDAY DEVICE
< 1300352447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300354175 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Emacs just started to bleed. That can't be a good sign. < 1300354211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other windows are just fine, but any Emacs windows I open get their backgruond replaced by this flickery red mess. < 1300354218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't show up in screenshots. < 1300354759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i see no reason bots shouldn't sabotage each other. <-- ooh Bot Wars. I wonder if we could sell the concept to some TV station!? < 1300354787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what, seriously? < 1300354803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what did you change that might have caused it? < 1300354809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1300354817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no system upgrades? < 1300354817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I didn't even start a new Emacs. < 1300354820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300354823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1300354834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it happen if you start a new instance? < 1300354837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300354844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is even weirder < 1300354847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did xlock the screen when I went to lunch; when I came back, it was like this. < 1300354858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe some emacs virus? < 1300354870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if it is only emacs, hardware issues sound unlikely < 1300354879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it doesn't show up in a "xwd" dump at all, I'm inclined to believe some sort of closer-to-display-drivers thing. < 1300354889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what Emacs might be doing differently to trigger it, though. < 1300354892 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300354917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1300354931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you said it flickered to red? Do you mean flicker from normal to red? In that case maybe the dump got it just between the flickers? < 1300354934 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I xwd the Emacs window, then xwud-view the image, the resulting window flickers too. < 1300354954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha... < 1300354964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what if you xwud other windows? < 1300354980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it even flickers if I convert the .xwd to a .png and then open it in eog, but only the pixels of the background color. < 1300354987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have some strange bg colour there normally? < 1300354989 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice this before because it only flickers in one screen. < 1300354995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it bugged out on that specific colour < 1300355003 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that seems likely. < 1300355030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That specific color on this specific screen. < 1300355065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about dimensions of the emacs window? < 1300355073 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter. < 1300355084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimp's color-picker "Current" block flickers too if I set it to the background color. < 1300355085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power cycling that monitor might help < 1300355104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, that fixed it. :/ < 1300355108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300355116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, didn't want it fixed? < 1300355122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was sort of interesting. :p < 1300355130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1300355139 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What color it was that flickered? < 1300355175 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: #1e1e27. < 1300355181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, out of interest, is that Finish word order? ("it was" in a question) < 1300355287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think both word orders ("-- mikä väri oli se joka --" and "-- mikä väri se oli joka --") are understandable Finnish, though maybe "what color was it that" would be more canonical. < 1300355328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other pixels in the Gimp color-browser gradient did flicker a bit too, so it might not have been limited to exactly that one value. < 1300355406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that my screen no longer bleeds, I guess I should try to figure out some way around this "probabilities are no longer finite" error message this GMM tool is giving me. < 1300355844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is GMM? < 1300355862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also that error reminds me of a certain book < 1300355866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you know which one < 1300356247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaussian mixture model. You know, https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=tx&chl=p%28\mathbf{x}%29=\sum_{k=1}^K%20\pi_k%20\mathcal{N}%28\mathbf{x};\,\,\mathbf{\mu_k},\mathbf{\Sigma_k}%29 sort of stuff. < 1300356272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Couldn't resist a chance to use that chart thing.) < 1300356317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, since when does google render tex? < 1300356323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since ages ago. < 1300356326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300356376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I have no idea what a Gaussian mixture model is. What is the fancy-looking N in that equation? < 1300356378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least from 2010-11 onwards. < 1300356384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the normal distribution. < 1300356388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300356401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it does make a vague sort of sense now < 1300356403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of a messy notation; the pdf of it. < 1300356457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a weighted sum of normal distributions. I left out the part that https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=tx&chl=\sum_{k=1}^K\pi_k=1 of course. < 1300356484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the sum is 1? < 1300356493 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I again couldn't help myself. < 1300356504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1300356541 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1300356563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still don't know why the toolbox doesn't want to generate a model for this data. < 1300356588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably because of probabilities are no longer being finite! < 1300356651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, now if we could only get infinite improbabilities... < 1300356745 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one sort-of known issue with EM training a mixture model like this, which is that it can happen that one component of the mixture converges to cover a single data point with 0 variance. I would think the code would take that into account, though. < 1300356786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it mathlab? < 1300356819 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a third-party pile-of-code for MATLAB, from http://www2.it.lut.fi/project/gmmbayes/downloads/src/gmmbayestb/ < 1300356821 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC this month (16 days): 18 458 112 addresses allocated (1.100 blocks). On IPv6 front: 1 114 118 /48s. I think records on IPv4 allocations are going to get slammed again. < 1300356843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I assume the events in Japan had an effect on the allocation rate? < 1300356898 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. Japan has highly spiky allocation profile, making changes difficult to detect. < 1300356909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, heh, anyone know why that is the case? < 1300356919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did get that /9 not long ago, shouldn't that last them for at least a few moments? < 1300356948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a /9 is very large for a single country to get < 1300356979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single company, even, though I guess they're bit of a monopoly there. < 1300356985 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was for NTT Japan. < 1300356990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTT? < 1300356998 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it NNT? < 1300357001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NNT? < 1300357014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation, apparently. < 1300357016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300357016 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTT Japan apparently. < 1300357020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a single company getting a /9 these days seems absurd! < 1300357033 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC has allocated /8 at once twice. < 1300357071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen during mkinitcpio: ERROR: Root file system type detection failed. < 1300357081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too worried, since I don't use the distro kernel for booting < 1300357094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My coauthor for this stuff is in Japan, only realized yesterday evening I hadn't though about asking her how it's going. Though I guess Nagoya is reasonably far from the disaster area. < 1300357128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use the distro kernel because the nvidia X drivers package depends on the nvidia kernel driver package which depends on the kernel package. < 1300357189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"log-likelihood diff 179769313486231570814527423731704356798070567525844996598917476803157260780028538760589558632766878171540458953514382464234321326889464182768467546703537516986049910576551282076245490090389328944075868508455133942304583236903222948165808559332123348274797826204144723168738177180919299881250404026184124858368 on round 1" < 1300357197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert, but that sounds like a rather large number. < 1300357214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300357219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still finite though < 1300357223 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparsion: January (31 days): 23 735 040 (1.415) and February (28 days): 22 589 440 (1.346). < 1300357272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>1 blocks a month is already quite a burn rate. < 1300357304 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extrapolation to 31 days gives 35 762 592 (2.132). < 1300357332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so when will it run out? < 1300357352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw what is it that you are doing this GMM stuff over < 1300357397 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current best estimates are in mid-April. Formal models tend to guess late (underestimating the growth of allocation rates). < 1300357434 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're going to go to that "last /8" mode first, though, and isn't that policy going to last for a while? < 1300357437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, yeah wasn't it supposed to be in September just a while ago? < 1300357525 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to be October-November some time ago. Then September. Then May-July. Now it seems even May is too optimistic. < 1300357607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The GMM is for converting some heuristic (read: don't have much of a theory behind them) numbers in one domain to something that would correlate with observation uncertainties in another domain, to summarize it in one sentence. < 1300357675 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty vague eh < 1300357686 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, it wasn't very many months ago when the estimated IANA depletion was in June. Then came the surprise allocations to AFRINIC, ARIN and RIPENCC. < 1300357687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess you don't want to reveal too much before publishing < 1300357890 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceeding 2 blocks in calendar month would be pretty wild (2 blocks in 30 day window has IIRC already been exceeded). < 1300357907 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This part of it is (up to some degree, anyway) already published stuff, actually, from INTERSPEECH 2010. Unfortunately their proceedings are behind a "ISCA Members Area (membership starts from 15 Euros)" HTTP authentication request. :p < 1300357954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no clue if the proxy at my university allows accessing that one < 1300357959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1300357996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours doesn't, which is somewhat surprising; it tends to have a good coverage otherwise. < 1300358027 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, picking the last available 30-day window: 2.089 blocks. < 1300358051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually the first author seems to have a copy on his page, but I doubt you're *that* interested.) < 1300358054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't find any matching *ISCA* < 1300358070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed I'm not. < 1300358079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about a layman description of it? ;P < 1300358276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, um; we take our source-domain heuristic numbers for training data, concatenate them with the "correct" answers (since it's training data we constructed, we have those too), build a GMM model for the distribution of the concatenated vectors, then for test-data use the model to give MAP predictions for the latter half (target domain values) given the first half (source domain values). < 1300358291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's what I'd do if this silly thing would construct a model for me. < 1300358299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead it's just all < 1300358301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :log-likelihood diff NaN on round 20 < 1300358301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix cycle 20, fix loops 1 1 1 1 1 < 1300358301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? Error using ==> gmmb_em at 161 < 1300358301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probabilities are no longer finite. < 1300358303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300358336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what sort of domain is that? Something corresponding to some physical application? < 1300358381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source domain is a (warped) spectral one again; target is the cepstrum thing our recognizer likes to eat. < 1300358465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh sound? < 1300358513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speech stuff; it's what I do, after all. < 1300358527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah and irc log statistics :P < 1300358541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a hobby. :p < 1300358544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1300359218 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, APNIC has 5-day FIFO policy, so the request for that 4M block that was recently allocated to Japan was made before the 9.0 earthquake and following tsunami. < 1300360338 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300360396 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300360896 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300360929 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300366022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300366754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300366777 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300367741 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300367838 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300368629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300368906 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300368924 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300369054 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300369266 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137105.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300369308 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300369405 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300369645 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300369657 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300369925 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1300370345 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300371111 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1300371428 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300371799 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ==(>^w^)> ==(> >.<)> < 1300372257 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300372317 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300372375 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300372805 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300373345 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300373404 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300374161 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300374320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent an email to the zlib guys asking if they have any use for libz.so :P < 1300374361 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does libz.so do? < 1300374365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to make BUCKETS OF MONEY with your domain dealies? < 1300374371 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the domain name < 1300374375 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who got libc.so in the end? < 1300374386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It hasn't ended yet. < 1300374392 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't started yet :P < 1300374448 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm probably going to LOSE buckets of money on libc.so :P < 1300374453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But GAIN buckets of geek cred if I win it. < 1300374465 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right. BUCKETS OF CRED. < 1300374511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a name like that, you can probably name the price. I mean, facebook bought fb.com for $8.5 million. < 1300374556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely every group developing a libc will be fighting over it. < 1300374597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but if I DO get it, seeing as that it's a closed auction, then that means they WEREN'T fighting over it :P < 1300374605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besides that, the groups developing libcs have no money. < 1300374617 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1300374619 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're either profitless Unix ventures or F/OSS. < 1300374681 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300374692 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you get it, whatcha doing with it? < 1300374730 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300374734 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what country has so as their TLD? < 1300374739 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vanity domain names and I'll see if somebody who's already got a decent man pages site wants to collaborate. Somalia. < 1300374748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1300374748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vanity email addresses < 1300374752 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300374762 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I don't want to think too far ahead because my chances of getting it are low :P < 1300375151 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300375410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300375484 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300375556 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300375721 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300375739 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300375941 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300376053 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300377219 0 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1300377337 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300377337 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300377337 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300377410 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300378471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300378530 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300378666 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300378947 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300379130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Still* no elliott? < 1300379157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when elliott decides to do something, he sticks to it < 1300379188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's online, by the looks of things. < 1300379202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he shall return in three years, speaking perfect japanese < 1300379215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well find him < 1300379223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna know where he is < 1300379224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rather trickier. < 1300379242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300379251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an elliottt in #haskell. < 1300379265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's someone entirely different. < 1300379271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's the same right < 1300379290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1300379305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could look through all the Tunes logs and see if he's joined any of those channels. < 1300379322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, do that! < 1300379343 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG, will continue upon return. < 1300379415 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.21: 1k to Bangladesh, 1k+/32 to Malaysia, 2x512k+2x128k+64k+32k to China, 32k to Pakistan, 2M(!!!) to India, 2k to Japan, /32 to New Zealand. < 1300379447 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largest available block is now 1M (which there are 5 of). < 1300379512 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300379587 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total 256k block count is now 77. < 1300379705 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 1.20 blocks of space. < 1300379860 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That count dropped 12 today. < 1300379988 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300380018 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.024 from small blocks space. < 1300380712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody accused me of wearing a radioactive tie in recognition of Japan's nuclear problems :P < 1300380778 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :During last 31 days, 125 of 256k blocks have been allocated. Those blocks are expected to run out sooner than APNIC (and then allocations really start to fragment the address space). < 1300381425 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300381492 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, i've just traced the history of APNIC depletion since January. awesome. < 1300381502 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than /8 in a week? :/ < 1300381828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Somebody accused me of wearing a radioactive tie in recognition of Japan's nuclear problems :P < 1300381847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant business idea or brilliant business idea? < 1300381855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1300382056 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382057 0 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382063 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1300382064 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1300382064 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /< < 1300382074 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lifthrasiir < 1300382118 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, it is better changing a spare nickname... < 1300382131 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthras1ir and lifthrasiir are way hard to distinguish. < 1300382199 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300382204 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382407 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever pinged me, if anyone: pong. < 1300382468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, we were just talking about the new contact sport of tswetting. < 1300382474 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1300382481 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a fan of that sport. < 1300382488 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382577 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a very "contact" sport. < 1300382580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where by "contact" ... < 1300382585 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "banned in 47 states" < 1300382629 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Must involve some breaches of esoteric contract law. < 1300382794 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224200115.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382898 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300383087 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I use spreadsheets I realize how terrible they are and want to implement my own, then I go "OH GOD NO NOT THAT" < 1300383433 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement concealsheets instead. it's what all corporations /really/ want. you'll make a fortune. < 1300383869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300383893 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300384256 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a name for the class of languages in which it is possible to specify any bijection between sets (and only such functions)? < 1300384267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just checked today's clog logs; he's not on any of them. < 1300384285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not sure < 1300384289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm probably the wrong person to ask < 1300384342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm i think i came up with exactly that once when i tried to think of a semantic foundation for reversible languages < 1300384377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's my answer < 1300384378 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm going to call it "Permutation-complete" if not < 1300384411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for finite sets, it's the same, for infinite you need to consider computability and stuff < 1300384432 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the oh < 1300384437 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to say finite < 1300384441 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking finite < 1300384448 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that disappeared from my message somehow < 1300384449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. < 1300384479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you add phase shifts you essentially have quantum computation < 1300384515 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the phase in QC was just to make it a vector space... < 1300384521 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should read that book again < 1300384533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phase is to allow you to get more than just permutations < 1300384556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well from a qc perspective < 1300384570 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a copy here of "quantum computation and quantum information" by Nielsen and Chuang < 1300384605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never read an actual book about it, but i know the basic hilbert space formalism, and what a qubit is < 1300384685 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1300384730 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Hadamard, phase, CNOT, and pi/8 gates form a family of gates from which any unitary operation can be approximated, and thus is a universal set of gates" < 1300384750 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the phase gate < 1300384760 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300384884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300384981 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh aha, it's [1,0;0,i] < 1300385021 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049215.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300385089 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like flip across the Re(x)=Im(x) line, i guess < 1300385958 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300386225 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300386814 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300386832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300387021 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello eso < 1300387024 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you < 1300387055 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are my bots down >_< < 1300387118 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300387121 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300387144 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo I would be better if my bots weren't down :P < 1300387146 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be better if my bots weren't down :P < 1300387232 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since both bots use multibot, there is literally no reason for them to be separated. Combining them would be as simple as cp -R. AND YET I DON'T. < 1300387525 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it's because you want to retain control of the non-hackable things < 1300387528 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control freak < 1300387538 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multibot? < 1300387545 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In no way would it compromise control of the non-HackBot things. < 1300387571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: multibot is my simple IRC bot that calls out to shell (or any other kind of) commands when presented with queries. < 1300387580 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh you would have two separate folders running on the same instance of multibot? < 1300387594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So EgoBot uses it too? < 1300387604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Would you call the combination HackEgoBot, then? < 1300387609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The commands for ! and for ` would simply not refer to the same directory. < 1300387613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1300387615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I spose :P < 1300387649 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well that's the reason not to combine them then. having two command prefixes for the same bot instance is annoying. < 1300387655 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eyes lambdabot fumingly
< 1300387686 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hello < 1300387686 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1300387702 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ... that logic is silly, the two prefixes are already in use, they would just be responded to by the same nick :P < 1300387718 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!uname < 1300387720 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my logic is impeccable < 1300387725 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname < 1300387726 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux < 1300387727 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1300387737 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1300387737 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1300387740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ! only response to a specific set of commands, ` is just system() < 1300387748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, it's actually even simpler than system(), but anywho) < 1300387764 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, okay, i thought egobot now uses multibot... < 1300387776 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well it doesn't) < 1300387777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: multibot is not what enables HackEgo to do the things it does. < 1300387783 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1300387818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: multibot is just a framework for connecting IRC commands to shell commands. The fact that HackEgo goes beyond that and runs requested commands in a protected environment is what's implemented within the commands that multibot calls, not multibot itself. < 1300387823 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what you're saying is "this bot will actually be two bots running under the same nick. there is not one set of features, but two distinct sets of features." at which point i would say "then why not combine the features into the same list if its the same bot?" < 1300387845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh uname -a < 1300387845 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux gdeskgor 2.6.37-0.slh.2-aptosid-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 9 20:40:11 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1300387846 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, i think moving all egobot's stuff to hackbot would be pretty sane.) < 1300387851 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so multibot itself does not contain any sandboxing capability nor executing arbitrary commands without authorization? < 1300387852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gdeskgor"? < 1300387861 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's my desktop. < 1300387871 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an interesting name. < 1300387878 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a "glapgor" too and so on? < 1300387880 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Right. All multibot can do is e.g. when encountering a TOPIC command from IRC, run multibot_cmds/TOPIC.cmd with the proper arguments. < 1300387883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gpadgor". < 1300387899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: glapgor, gwirgor, grandroidgor < 1300387907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Had a gwatchgor for a while. < 1300387925 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo -ne 4; echo -ne 2 < 1300387925 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ne 4; echo -ne 2 < 1300387936 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shell expansion? < 1300387945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -ne 4; echo -ne 2 < 1300387945 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1300387961 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do expansion without `run simply so that things like `addquote work as expected. < 1300387974 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, yeah, maybe I'll just merge everything EgoBot does into HackEgo's actual filesystem. < 1300387993 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then EgoBot will be utterly redundant. < 1300388097 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181053160.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300388099 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i support this plan < 1300388133 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300388139 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't very doable before, but now that (hopefully) my FS access speed will be in the "non-shit" range, it should be doable ... < 1300388152 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-shit is a good place to be < 1300388168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 1MB/s read and 100KB/s write 8-D < 1300388187 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right: My HD speed was slower than my network speed. Pretty awesome, prgmr! Pretty awesome! < 1300388188 0 :bitmsk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300388195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So what did you end up doing; switched providers or got them to fix stuff? < 1300388213 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They claim they're going to move me to a different server. < 1300388253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Stupid TOSes keep me stuck to very few VPS providers. < 1300388276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm still glad I found http://www.bestdealvps.com/tos , which is the greatest work of comedy writing I've seen in a while. < 1300388312 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was another great TOS that said all you were allowed to do was run a web server and POP/IMAP/SMTP server, which makes me wonder why you would get a VPS at all :P < 1300388316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I tried to do a survey-murvey too, and quite many did indeed have that stupid IRC thing. (And a few I couldn't find anything approaching terms of service for, at least without clicking a "send order" button. < 1300388423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :User may not: b) Run stand-alone, unattended server-side processes at any point in time on the server. This includes any and all daemons, such as IRCD. // honestly, did no one with any technical knowledge read this at all? < 1300388438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do not that that part is for "Resource Usage for shared hosting accounts". < 1300388442 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm, i've just made a mutually recursive quine for egobot and hackego. how about it? :p < 1300388443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/note/ < 1300388474 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: do you think it will work? < 1300388484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I believe one of them is configured to ignore the other, but I can't remember which >_> < 1300388491 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can find out < 1300388496 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `run X='!echo `run X=xxXXxx;X=${X//x""x/"xx"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"xx"/x""x}}';X=${X//x""x/"'"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"'"/x""x}} < 1300388496 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run X='!echo `run X=xxXXxx;X=${X//x""x/"xx"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"xx"/x""x}}';X=${X//x""x/"'"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"'"/x""x}} < 1300388497 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `run X='!echo `run X=xxXXxx;X=${X//x""x/"xx"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"xx"/x""x}}';X=${X//x""x/"'"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"'"/x""x}} < 1300388503 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Except that they don't OFFER shared hosting accounts. < 1300388514 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so EgoBot ignores HackEgo. EPIC WIN < 1300388517 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but it's still only for shared hosting accounts. < 1300388518 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1300388527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot ignores both EgoBot and HackEgo; it's antisocial like that. < 1300388528 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you know 1.7 is out. this erc buffer remarkably similar to the last page of clinger's paper shows up for " grond" < 1300388547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... *brain axplote* < 1300388565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All bots should ignore any nick with 'bot' in it, but then HackEgo doesn't have 'bot' in it :P < 1300388606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does fungot. < 1300388607 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i suspect there being some kind of priorities between your rules. ha ha ha ha < 1300388610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1300388610 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot)! < 1300388620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This "Sparkbot", I have no idea where it came from. < 1300388631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried to grep my #esoteric logs for it, and can't find anything. < 1300388658 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does clog respond to any command? < 1300388678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: No < 1300388678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it responds to ctcp version, IIRC < 1300388686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from clog: CLOG v0. < 1300388721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pfff < 1300388723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot doesn't ignore myndzi, but I guess you can't set up a loop with just \o/-style stuff since fungot won't respond to that. < 1300388723 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( google it) to the window < 1300388750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So glad captain pedantry was here to save the day :P < 1300388770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most bots don't < 1300388773 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\001ACTION jumps over the lazy dog\001' < 1300388773 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION jumps over the lazy dog
< 1300388802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo quite intentionally has no protection to prevent that. < 1300388805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\001VERSION\001' < 1300388828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, you could use that to do the world's most awkward and inefficient DDoS attack. < 1300388850 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, theoretically. < 1300388862 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo !echo Why won't EgoBot listen to me *sobs* < 1300388862 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo Why won't EgoBot listen to me *sobs* < 1300388869 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the way :P < 1300388873 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality it's just slightly annoying though < 1300388908 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo -e '\xFF\xFF\xFF' < 1300388908 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-e '\xFF\xFF\xFF' < 1300388911 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e 'x\000y' < 1300388912 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1300388913 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... fail :P < 1300388917 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\xFF\xFF\xFF' < 1300388917 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :��� < 1300388944 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything after \0 will get removed, expected. < 1300388948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\002BOLD\002' < 1300388949 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOLD < 1300388953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel strips bold < 1300388963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo !echo `echo < 1300388963 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `echo !echo `echo < 1300388963 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo !echo `echo < 1300388964 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `echo < 1300388982 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classy < 1300389021 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181139120.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300389036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nobody talk, cheater's back < 1300389186 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300389210 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay there is one cheater in and one cheater out, the net cheater is zero < 1300389552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION golf clap
< 1300389834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes have outsourced their entire Fetish Fuel section. < 1300389837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To *Wikia*. < 1300389901 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1300390115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they were in severe trouble because Google threatened to - and actually did at one point - withdraw adverts because they thought there was too much adult content < 1300390127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course, that. < 1300390129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they've been busy trying to make the whole thing SFW in order to keep their advertising revenue < 1300390151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, why can't we have an internet run by adults. < 1300390201 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have an internet running on adultery < 1300390204 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we need < 1300390209 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300390259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, golden idols. < 1300390656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why haven't I ported gelfload to DOS ... < 1300390661 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, no good mmap implementation. < 1300390906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, do 32-bit DOS programs not use the MMU? < 1300390933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use DOS extenders which hide all the details < 1300390959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and typically they set the MMU to a really simple mapping, like mapping all physical memory into virtual memory with the same addresses, or the same addresses backwards < 1300390971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1300390984 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unless the extender provided an mmap implementation, you're hosed. < 1300390992 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could still load PIE binaries though ... < 1300391088 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that for Digital Bill, "mainstream audience" apparently means "people who are not interested in technology", including for example those who are interested in podcasts about didgeridoos. < 1300391090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DPMI does mmap: http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/dpmi/api/310508.html < 1300391101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More accurately, DPMI 1.0. < 1300391112 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nobody relly does more that 0.9. < 1300391247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Uhh, that doc does not look like mmap ... < 1300391251 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like device mapping. < 1300391275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking anonymous mmaps, not file/device-backed mmaps >_> < 1300391278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've mentioned that. < 1300391346 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the whole DPMI api is at that site, you can see if it does what you want. < 1300391416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can mungle with the LDT to some degree. < 1300391418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allocate Linear Memory Block [1.0] Allocates a block of page-aligned linear address space. The base address of the block may be specified by the client, and pages within the block may be committed or uncommitted. < 1300391443 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is, like, exactly mmap-anon :P < 1300391512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While Windows 3.0 includes support for DPMI 0.9,[2] version 1.0 was never fully implemented in Microsoft Windows, so many programs and DOS extenders were mostly only written for version 0.9. < 1300391516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most famous separate DPMI kernel is probably CWSDPMI; however, it only fully supports DPMI 0.9 and no undocumented "DOS API translation"." < 1300391533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So [1.0] support might be spotty. < 1300391534 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djgpp has its own though, doesn't it? < 1300391551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CWSDPMI is what it uses, IIRC. < 1300391552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't give a splat if I need a "special" extender, I'm talking about loading ELF binaries on DOS here X-P < 1300391563 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1300391569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why is this documented at delorie.com X-P < 1300391592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it works with multiple DOS extenders < 1300391597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just recommends one < 1300391600 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might get DOS4GW for free nowadays, it's what Watcom C used to use and there's OpenWatcom. < 1300391618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. I use it with HDPMI32 as JPC-RR doesn't emulate CWSDPMI correctly < 1300391622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CWSDPMI might do that part of 1.0 for all I know. < 1300391653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HDPMI (part of HX DOS Extender) provides "DOS API translation" and almost complete DPMI 1.0 implementation." < 1300391659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds viable too. < 1300391684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HX is friggin' crazy though, I could probably run WinELF under it :P < 1300391689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost assuredly in fact. < 1300391720 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put differently, "that's a bit heavy"' < 1300391776 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could use just the DPMI host part of it though. < 1300391851 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300392791 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: More than /8 is week was week of 28th February to 4th March. Of course, there has been those /8 allocations (two of them). < 1300392809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, elliott responded to a query but he showed no signs of getting over himself/ < 1300392894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he started thinking about Feather < 1300392897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope he recovers soon < 1300393630 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300393648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay Feather. < 1300393920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300394151 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300394639 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300395056 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've once again forgotten what Feather is :P < 1300395159 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEARTATO HAS MY TIE! < 1300395220 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how TV Tropes ended up with an administration so heavy-handed.
< 1300395242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discussion threads are _routinely_ nuked, and changes are made by fiat so often I've lost count. < 1300395329 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spring break achieved. < 1300395338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Huzzah? < 1300395430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've once again forgotten what Feather is :P <- be thankful < 1300395473 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it called feather anyway? < 1300395627 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same reason why Scape🐐 is called Scape🐐. < 1300395712 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you and your UTF-Goat. < 1300395787 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what reason is that? < 1300395800 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is there a scp-alike that does file-resume? < 1300395811 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does scp do it? < 1300395907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, ISTR that it was something to do with starting off as a lightweight Smalltalk. < 1300395936 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nvm that. what about a resumable scp? < 1300395948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1300395953 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300396104 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300396113 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, I finally figured out why aptitude ended up freaking out so much. < 1300396141 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenOffice to LibreOffice switch. < 1300396146 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dist-upgrade does it. < 1300396156 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/gtk-32-will-let-you-run-any-application.html how many people are already planning on seeing how many levels deep they can recurse firefox? < 1300396524 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0just spent 5 minutes searching for a piece of bread that fell off my plate on the floor. it was in my beard. < 1300396561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300396649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300397142 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1300397179 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g228060206.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300397336 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300397337 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181134066.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300397470 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300397911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the upper and lower bounds on votes on a single reddit comment are.
< 1300398674 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300398676 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300398689 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9ogpi/what_is_the_most_upvoted_comment_in_the_history/ might have the answer < 1300398690 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-243.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300398725 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://twitpic.com/4aciog < 1300398851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, 4000+ < 1300399022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You can do rsync-over-ssh to resume a broken scp transfer; I don't think it does natively. < 1300399066 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never used rsync < 1300399101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scp blah remote:bleh" + continue with "rsync -P blah remote:bleh". < 1300399147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there's another with 9500. < 1300399196 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that's a reply to one with -7500? < 1300399200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300399204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should work reasonably well as long as there's just one file, though it might waste some time/bandwidth in checking that the files match on both sides of the fence. < 1300399227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14,000. What. < 1300399230 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming a rsync that defaults to SSH.) < 1300399259 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ooh, where? < 1300399281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know. < 1300399291 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link is to a user page, not the comment. < 1300399325 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, look_of_disapproval? the *sum* is 14000, motivated by every comment being the same comment < 1300399338 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was, it's obviously changed since that post was made < 1300399347 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do i need to make a tunnel for it or will it just know? < 1300399361 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hmm, ah. < 1300399505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If it's configured to use ssh, it's going to use ssh just fine. Alternatively pass "-e ssh" to it. < 1300399715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly "--append" instead of "-P" would make it just append without checking the contents of what is already there. < 1300399973 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1300400210 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300400210 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300400210 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300400239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It annoys me to no end that the kind of people who think ESR is onto something have hijacked the glider? < 1300400243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?/./ < 1300400394 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://sss.cs.purdue.edu/projects/dynjs/javascript_the_evil_parts.png < 1300400408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seen it. < 1300400518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm makin' myself some corned beef and cabbage 8-D < 1300400558 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300400703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't a decent way of expressing my reaction to that. < 1300400755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JEALOUSY? < 1300400848 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone just came to my door, handed me money, and told me i'm getting more later < 1300400865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run for your freaking life. < 1300400889 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300400928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it's, like, terror mixed with incredulity mixed with curiosity all in a bag. < 1300400945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... due to ... corned beef and cabbage? < 1300400988 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300401051 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, the person does have clinically certified psychosis! < 1300401077 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300401359 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300401359 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300401359 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300401494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes/ < 1300401517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, combining my least favourite thing with something I have had only mildly negative experiences with. < 1300401566 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You are a bad person. < 1300401624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CABBAGE IS A BAD PERSON < 1300401727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What is your least favorite thing? < 1300401734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CABBAGE < 1300401743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BABBAGE. < 1300401746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good, so not corned beef. < 1300401756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, of course, DELICOUSNESS ITSELF < 1300401778 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, THE BASTARD < 1300401789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCUMBAG BABBAGE < 1300401793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVENTS COMPUTERS < 1300401819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GETS BORED AND DOES SOMETHING ELSE < 1300402556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
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