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The set of calling conventions used by Windows is comprehensive, isn't it? 00:48:47 Pretty much :P 00:48:51 Which is quite retarded. 00:49:00 cdecl is MOSTLY the same as Unix though. 00:49:01 (Mostly) 00:49:05 http://www.agner.org/optimize/calling_conventions.pdf <-- so awesome 00:49:08 x86_64 has the Microsoft calling convention and the standard one. 00:50:00 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:50:04 I should here note that I only really refer to C calling conventions. 00:50:14 C++? Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. 00:50:53 Well yeah, obviously C++ is hell. 00:51:41 Anyway, I think libdl.so would be a pretty awesome homepage for gelfload and connected projects :P 00:51:42 Perhaps the only saving grace there is GCC has a single C++ calling convetion. 00:52:11 Modulo C details. 00:52:28 Anyway, I was thinking about hacking up gelfload to do "approximation" so you could load old binaries and such if things that changed names just so happened to remain mostly compatible (e.g. libc version hell) 00:52:45 But for some reason I can't load native binaries even when I load all deps with dlopen ... 00:53:13 Strange; I seem to recall using gelfload on arbitrary binaries just fine. 00:53:32 Arbitrary ... statically compiled binaries? :P 00:54:42 * pikhq_ should actually build this GCC 4.6.0 RC and binutils 2.21.51... 00:54:55 And let the LTO make static compilation suck less! 00:55:22 -!- cal153 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:57:06 lol, this seems to have failed in exit() :P 00:57:10 WURVE when that happens :P 00:57:19 It's so easy to make that fail in a runtime ELF loader. 00:57:45 (GCC 4.6.0 has LTO not suck, and binutils 2.21.51 has linker plugin support in a genuinely stable linker) 00:57:47 Oh, I'll bet it's because it double-exits. 00:59:26 SO MUCH CONFUSION 00:59:34 WHAT IN GODS NAME IS GOING ON 01:01:07 http://sprunge.us/OPHg 01:03:52 So I/O seems a bit ... "odd" 01:03:59 But /bin/ls works modulo segfault at exit 01:04:16 And xterm works which is kinda awesome :) 01:04:32 gimp doesn't X-P 01:05:11 lolwtf I can launch gdb :P 01:05:29 $ ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload # INCEPTION 01:14:14 -!- cheater00 has joined. 01:17:25 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:19:59 -!- zzo38 has joined. 01:24:21 -!- cal153 has joined. 01:36:01 -!- augur has joined. 01:36:03 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:36:17 -!- EgoBot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:38:47 -!- copumpkin has joined. 01:42:02 Found /lib/libc.so.6 for libc.so.5 :) 01:42:17 Are the files compatible? 01:43:08 Depends on what you use. 01:43:30 Anybody have an x86_64 BSD system floating about they'd like to throw me a binary from? 01:43:33 Say, /bin/ls? 01:43:50 Or maybe a simpler /usr/bin/yes? 01:48:06 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 01:56:47 -!- wareya_ has joined. 01:56:53 No BSDers? :P 01:58:08 Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm corned beef and cabbage 01:59:25 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 02:00:50 (And red potatoes) 02:07:17 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 02:07:17 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 02:07:17 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 02:07:42 I guess no BSDers. 02:08:58 Welp, time to make myself a FreeBSD install then! 02:10:29 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:28:07 YES 02:28:23 Mountain Dew Throwback is now a permanent member of the Pepsi line of products. 02:29:10 Sucrose tastes so much better. 02:29:30 as opposed to? 02:29:37 HFCS 02:29:53 It's really *quite* apparent in sodas. 02:29:56 (Lies) 02:30:18 You realize I make my own soda, right? :P 02:30:22 (w/ sucrose) 02:30:26 I'm just trollin' 02:30:34 You're also anosmic. :P 02:30:41 PFF 02:30:49 I ALSO have an ELF loader that can load itself :P 02:30:55 Yes, and that is awesome. 02:32:02 Aww foo, can't run FreeBSD ls :( 02:32:36 Oh, interesting, it's in relocating, not running ... 02:33:03 Hmm 02:33:06 * Sgeo installs Glary 02:33:15 Ninite has it, CNEt's heard of it 02:34:49 Symbol undefined: 'atexit' wuh? 02:35:16 How odd. 02:35:25 Definitely in libc. 02:35:32 I should hope so X-P 02:35:39 And I got Found /lib/libc.so.6 for libc.so.7 02:36:54 Oh, or is atexit maybe a macro in glibc? 02:36:58 What's bad about UAC not dimming the desktop? 02:37:17 It's not like this is Ubuntu, where a rogue application can just fake a dialog asking for the password... 02:37:57 Looking for atexit in libmetahost_libc.so.7: (nil) ... yuh 02:38:07 $ nm -D /lib/libc.so.6 | grep atexit 02:38:08 0000000000036870 T __cxa_atexit 02:38:09 hate 02:38:21 In PRINCIPLE I could run weirdo binaries, in PRACTICE I can't :P 02:38:39 Because the specs don't require certain things to be symbols and certain things to be macros. 02:39:30 Microsoft apparently has heard of Glary utilities. Though maybe I should learn how signed binaries work on Windows 02:40:02 Maybe they're not called signed binaries 02:40:03 Meh 02:40:15 Gregor: Just make a "library" that consists of calls to each libc function. 02:40:28 pikhq_: So painful :P 02:40:45 I of course mean "make a program that makes". 02:40:55 I'd have to make them ... from man pages or some such lunacy. 02:41:08 Or the info page. 02:41:56 I think I'll make a generishims library. 02:43:29 Ok, Glary is clearly demented 02:44:31 Or not 02:47:33 I'mma try with old Linux binaries instead. 02:56:57 ... in the eventuality that I download any :P 03:00:46 Try getting ahold of some Loki games. 03:01:19 (warning: they have more dependencies than just libc) 03:02:15 Oh, SDL is still ABI compatible with what Loki wrote way back when. 03:04:37 lol zmagic 03:04:38 Too old 03:05:04 Suggested old Lolki game? 03:05:10 (^^^ not typo) 03:05:17 I dunno, Alpha Centauri? 03:06:34 * pikhq_ is actually surprised that Loki had any success porting games. 03:06:56 They had 10 employees, and there was basically no infrastructure for doing games on Linux. 03:07:04 SDL exists because they needed it. 03:07:38 Somehow this random guy got their Sim City 3000 port running on Fedora in 2010 ... 03:08:10 It's actually quite commonly done. 03:08:22 Linux is still system call compatible, you see. 03:08:46 Just a matter of getting the entire set of libraries in place, and voila. 03:08:50 Oh, you think he bundled it with l---right 03:09:19 IIRC, Gentoo has the appropriate libraries in emul-linux-loki-compat or some such. 03:10:54 ... lol 03:11:20 * Gregor proceeds to snag SC3K 03:11:27 (In principle) 03:11:40 And, heck, even if it weren't for such convenient things, you could always just install a chroot of old Debian. 03:11:52 Yeah 03:12:43 Man. 03:12:55 Windows is still ABI compatible with Windows 1.0. 03:13:02 Linux can't even keep ABI for 10 years. 03:13:54 Mac OS X isn't ABI-compatible with earlier versions of Mac OS X. 03:14:04 Also, 64-bit versions of Windows can't run Windows 1.0 binaries :P 03:14:04 compatibility was windows's number one goal for quite a while 03:14:07 i'm not very surprised 03:14:20 Ah, true, Macs are even worse off than Linux. 03:14:32 It's still *possible* to run ancient binaries. 03:14:42 Fekk, potato binaries still work X-D 03:14:44 Mac's had 2 ABI breaks so far. 03:15:12 apple is all about the "if it's broke, throw it out and replace it" 03:15:15 Debian potato was on Linux libc, wasn't it? 03:15:26 No, no, hamm was that transition. 03:15:48 Yup, potato *non-C++* binaries will still work. 03:16:00 potato? 03:16:06 Oh 03:16:08 Dur 03:16:53 (C++ ABI has had a breakage since then) 03:17:21 Yup, missing symbols. 03:17:28 TIME FOR GENERISHIMS 03:27:44 Call to undefined symbol __setfpucw 03:27:44 Call to undefined symbol __libc_init 03:27:44 Call to undefined symbol atexit 03:37:12 Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. 03:37:12 #0 0x0804c306 in ?? () 03:37:13 lol 03:43:32 804c306: f6 44 43 01 40 testb $0x40,0x1(%ebx,%eax,2) 03:43:36 * Gregor goes "hmmmmmmm" 03:44:00 i'll see your "hmmmmmmm" and raise you a "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm" 03:44:25 Oh that's interesting, it's failing somewhere in the result of getopt_long_only ... 03:46:09 ... why is it dereferencing the result of getopt_long_only ... 03:46:29 (Which is an int) 03:46:39 Did getopt_long_only used to have a different API? 03:48:13 Oh, never mind, I misread. 03:49:05 That's odd, it's dragging something out of BSS ... that's zeroed still ... 03:53:15 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:54:32 In this game http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSxiangqivsortho the inventor claims that there is no checkmate possible on first move. However, me and two other people say the Chinese side can checkmate immediately if they play first. Look at the picture (under "Setup"), it should be clear. What do *you* think? 03:55:45 Actually, *three* other people. 03:56:48 Seems like FreeBSD and GNU might have incompatible internal __mbrtowc functions :P 03:57:04 Gregor: What are __mbrtowc functions? 03:57:47 mbrtowc - convert a multibyte sequence to a wide character // essentially a UTF-8 to UCS-16 converter (in the common Unicode case) 03:58:00 But it's implemented as a macro on both FreeBSD and GNU. 03:58:15 To different versions of an internal __mbrtowc >_> 03:58:38 OHHEY! I just ran BSD pwd! 03:58:42 (On GNU/Linux) 03:59:14 OK, now I know. Could you possibly make a kind of program patching for this? 03:59:15 echo works too :) 03:59:57 zzo38: That's what I'm doing when there are functions that simply aren't supported on the other system, but it's harder when they're just incompatible >_> 04:04:08 How should I make the icon for the Courier piece in Courier Chess? 04:04:24 ... by finding someone who can draw? :P 04:04:24 (It is called "courier" and also "runner") 04:05:03 Gregor: :D 04:05:05 And my question is what kind of shape. 04:05:56 pikhq_: Stupidly, old (like, libc5 old) Linux binaries are being more difficult than FreeBSD binaries :P 04:06:24 Gregor: Well, yes. 04:06:30 Gregor: BSD is better-written. ;) 04:07:35 Some of the pieces including FIDE chess, I just look at the SVG files in Wikipedia and typed in the same numbers. And for compound Archbishop/Marshal/Amazon, I take parts of it and make combined. Some pieces I look at other example and put my own numbers in. But some is difficult. 04:10:36 That is why I ask about Courier Chess. 04:39:03 -!- augur has joined. 04:47:13 And, doing the recitation video's problem, I flat out forget that dot products are scalars 04:47:17 * Sgeo WTFs at self 04:47:25 I only remembered as the guy started speaking 04:48:28 I am *very* disappointed at the limits on radiation. 04:48:43 Erm, irradiation. 04:48:47 Quite distinct. 04:49:13 The legal limit for radiation level in irradiation is a bit too low to allow for *shelf-stable meat*. 04:52:09 "For which angle θ is the component of A in the direction of B equal to 0." 04:52:26 Is it bad if I don't do any math for that probem since the answer is so blatently obvious? 04:59:01 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:08:33 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:08:47 I write some computer programs for Free Geek and make some changes to their other programs that I have been asked to do. I also help them make whatever documents and stuff they need in TeX, and make their logo in METAFONT. 05:11:18 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: This is a quit message!!! Now you have to play chess!!!). 05:12:59 Solution sheet did not list theta=3pi/2 as an answer 05:13:03 Who do I complain to? 05:13:47 Then again, they also didn't list 2pi + pi/2 as an answer, and I wouldn't expect them to 05:20:28 -!- augur has joined. 05:20:46 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:29:59 * pikhq_ would like to beat everyone who thinks that English is and/or should be the sole language of the United States. 05:30:35 Official languages of members of the United States include: English, Hawai'ian, Samoan, Chamorro, Carolinian, Spanish, French, and German. 05:31:04 no finnish? 05:31:14 No Finnish, sorry. 05:31:28 Though Finland could join the US, thereby solving that. 05:31:38 true, true 05:31:53 Only really takes the consent of Finland & Congress. 05:32:16 Or enough insanity to engage in a war of conquest. 05:32:34 :D 05:33:28 would be pretty cool if we suddenly decided to invade usa, flew there and started beating ppl up 05:33:45 Feel free. 05:33:55 :D 05:34:00 -!- augur has joined. 05:34:08 One of the few quick fixes to our political system. :P 05:34:23 there's five million of us so if we went to new york, each of us would only have to beat up a few guys 05:34:49 Man, just taking over New York would really fuck up the US. 05:35:06 i read somewhere really reliable that we have the second most weapons per guy in here. unfortunately you were the first. 05:35:20 Not that it'd stop Congress from wanting to nuke New York after that. 05:35:34 Good thing Congress doesn't have the power to nuke anything. 05:35:48 *Unfortunately*, the President can nuke anything for any reason whatsoever at any time. 05:36:05 maybe that's the big change obama meant 05:36:07 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:36:11 nuking cities 05:36:14 that suckl 05:36:16 *suck 05:36:21 Not even joking about that, though. 05:36:34 well yeah that's what i've understood 05:36:41 There is always one guy near the President with the equipment to signal a launch. 05:36:44 So fucking nuts. 05:36:59 that is sorta hard to believe 05:38:02 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football Not fucking kidding. 05:43:07 heh 05:57:09 -!- augur has joined. 05:57:18 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:03:56 -!- augur has joined. 06:19:11 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:20:28 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:22:16 Nuclear football, the sport of real men. 06:22:49 -!- wareya_ has changed nick to Alex_Megaroide. 06:25:24 -!- Slereah has joined. 06:35:59 -!- asiekierka has joined. 06:36:07 you mean european nuclear football, right? 06:36:16 oh 06:36:29 you're referencing pikhq_'s comment 06:36:40 which is undoubtedly an article about the "briefcase" 06:55:15 Which is called a football for stupid reasons. 07:00:07 presumably because it is meant to be protected by the person carrying it the way a runningback protects a football 07:00:57 oklopol: wait, you're finnish?? 07:02:54 quintopia: No, because of media. 07:03:10 hmm? 07:08:14 -!- variable has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:16:07 -!- asiekierka has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:46:03 * cheater00 is very happy because he's getting a free LYAH book 07:51:04 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:51:11 APNIC space fragmentation (total amount of non-reserved blocks of space smaller than): 1M: 1.786, 512k: 1.442, 256k: 0.895, 128k: 0.629, 64k: 0.329, 32k: 0.229, 16k: 0.154, 8k: 0.096, 4k: 0.062, 2k: 0.036, 1k: 0.024, 512: 0.017. 07:53:37 Better run defrag. 07:53:50 Yes, APNIC has over /14 (256k) worth of /24s. Allocating those would take fair amount of time, except that allocations start to seriously fragment when larger blocks are gone. 07:56:22 -!- augur has joined. 07:57:32 -!- Slereah has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:02:14 Just those small blocks will create something like 1500 fragments by the time APNIC depletes. 08:04:50 APNIC current maximum block size is 1M, so anything above that will be fragmented. 08:05:42 2M would fragment into 2 blocks, 4M would fragment into 4, 8M would fragment into 11. 08:08:11 -!- Alex_Megaroide has changed nick to wareya. 08:18:45 -!- cheater99 has joined. 08:19:45 -!- cheater00 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:26:49 Ilari: why would 8m fragment into 11? 08:27:51 5x1M+6x512k. 08:28:24 There's only 5 1M blocks (and nothing larger non-reserved). 08:28:45 ok 08:30:31 Large blocks are going to run out much faster than smaller ones, causing loads of fragmentation. 08:33:31 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:40:02 -!- Slereah has joined. 09:03:51 oklopol! 09:03:52 \o/ 09:20:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:42:11 Ilari: can't they defragment them? 09:42:30 Nope, they can't. 09:42:58 how come? 09:43:10 it would be perfectly imaginable people would be willing to swap blocks 09:43:45 That would mean renumbering, and renumbering is big amount of work, especially with IPv4. 09:44:05 -!- augur has joined. 09:45:23 With IPv6, renumbering is somewhat easier, and allocation strategies will also result much less renumbering as blocks grow. 09:47:41 Oh, and while APNIC will be source of something like only 1500 fragments, IP address transfers will result in loads more. 09:48:20 -!- cheater- has joined. 09:48:21 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 10:44:02 http://satwcomic.com/how-to-keep-friends 10:44:04 <3 denmark 11:23:08 -!- cheater99 has joined. 11:23:09 -!- cheater99 has left (?). 11:23:26 -!- cheater99 has joined. 11:24:36 -!- cheater- has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 11:29:42 alcopop! \o/ 11:29:42 | 11:29:43 /´\ 11:42:46 According to latest stats file, APNIC has 35 202 304 IPv4 addresses available. That's barely over /7 worth of space (/6.93). 11:43:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_number 11:45:27 gtfo cheater99 11:45:30 seriously 11:45:42 no u 11:46:26 GOOD NIGHT IR 11:46:29 .. sir 11:46:30 :| 11:46:32 FINGERS >| 11:47:22 good night 11:49:22 -!- hagb4rd2 has joined. 11:52:29 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 11:53:30 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 11:57:25 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:57:54 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:46:10 -!- FireFly has joined. 13:13:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:20:26 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 13:25:16 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:25:51 -!- hagb4rd2 has changed nick to hagb4rd. 13:26:31 -!- cheater99 has joined. 13:32:15 -!- cheater00 has joined. 13:34:08 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 13:56:39 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:57:35 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 14:43:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:43:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:43:53 J has been GPLed. 14:43:58 Is this \o/ worthy? 14:43:58 | 14:43:58 /| 14:44:54 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 14:51:34 $ ./src/gelfload /bin/bash 14:51:35 Symbol undefined: '__gmon_start__' 14:51:35 $ 14:51:41 * Gregor was wondering why it wasn't working. 14:51:51 The reason: Oh, it was working perfectly, I'm just an idiot :P 14:52:08 (Turns out THAT'S WHAT BASH LOOKS LIKE DURP) 14:56:51 Gregor, does this mean that Microcosm isn't actually utterly dead? 14:57:16 Phantom_Hoover: Microcosm is a project that I refuse to make entirely my project, so it is as alive as other people are willing to let it be :P 14:57:26 Phantom_Hoover: gelfload on the other hand is alive and well, but distinct from Microcosm. 14:57:45 But it ground to a halt when you couldn't work out a VFS structure you liked, no? 14:58:08 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 14:58:18 That's because everybody wanted ME to do the VFS, all I wanted was for there to BE a VFS. 14:58:31 Oh, right. 14:58:43 I'd be happy for somebody else to design (and implement :P ) it, I just don't want to get stuck with direct FS, since that'll make Windows a lame duck. 14:59:21 Due to completely different hierarchy? 14:59:51 And retarded limitations on file naming, not the best mapping of modes, etc. 15:04:02 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:21:24 -!- asiekierka has joined. 15:21:54 http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/17/virginia-middle-school-students-suspended-for-oregano-possession/?test=latestnews 15:21:59 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:22:04 Words fail me. 15:22:05 -!- asiekierka has joined. 15:23:30 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 15:39:22 -!- cheater00 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:40:24 -!- cheater99 has joined. 15:41:16 Phantom_Hoover: However, Microcosm or otherwise, I do have this: 15:41:31 $ ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload # INCEPTION 15:43:22 (Note that that only works by complete coincidence, btw :P 15:43:24 ) 15:45:44 XD 15:45:54 What's the coincidence? 15:46:02 Shared libraries or something? 15:47:15 Well, gelfload only works because it's configured to be loaded by the host ELF (or whatever) loader into an area of memory that it's unlikely that the guest ELF will be loaded into. 15:47:16 (Shared libraries graaaah etc.) 15:47:37 It just so happens that when loading itself, the process of replacing that area of memory with ... well, itself is sufficiently atomic to not segfault. 15:48:09 Gregor, so it's theoretically possible for gelfload to fail for no apparent reason due to unfortunate allocation? 15:48:31 Yes, but by that token it's theoretically possible for /lib/ld-linux.so to fail for the same reason. 15:48:46 Does it? 15:48:57 Well, I could intentionally make a binary that would fail in that way :P 15:49:07 But binaries made for ELF/Linux know where ld-linux is. 15:49:15 So they avoid it. 15:49:19 They of course don't know where gelfload is. 15:51:18 Gregor, I DEMAND SUCH A BINARY 15:51:27 -!- hagb4rd has changed nick to hagb4rd|afk. 15:54:44 http://codu.org/tmp/low.tar.bz2 <-- done 15:55:03 Apparently ld-linux is just barely smart enough to not load over itself, so it kills itself instead. 15:55:37 The result though is just "Killed" to stderr and $? == 137 15:57:26 Does it issue the signal to self or is that kernel killing process after exec goes sour too late to back it off? 15:57:40 The kernel has no idea. 15:57:45 It's totally userland. 15:58:05 The kernel doesn't even know how to load dynamic binaries. 15:58:06 strace should show it then? 15:58:37 strace can have ... unique behavior when things go wrong in the loader :P 15:58:46 (In my experience) 15:59:01 -!- impomatic has joined. 15:59:32 APNIC down 0.26: 1k to Malaysia, 3x1M+512k+3x256k to China, 256 to India. 1.84 blocks remain. 16:00:15 Logaritmic size: /7.120 16:00:55 Relative allocation size: 12.4% (!) 16:01:54 Oh, and two of those 1M blocks were part of 2M block APNIC didn't have space to allocate in one block. 16:19:11 The existing January monthly record has already been slammed (and it has been only 18 days instead of full 31). 16:19:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:20:35 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:22:12 Apparently ld-linux is just barely smart enough to not load over itself, so it kills itself instead. <-- what are you doing for this to be of relevance? 16:22:26 I get 30-day figure of 2.34. Ouch. 16:24:05 I love the way Chrome thinks the internet works. 16:24:15 strace can have ... unique behavior when things go wrong in the loader :P <-- strange, after all it just ptraces system calls 16:24:16 At that rate, depletion in about 3.5 weeks. 16:24:17 Phantom_Hoover, hmm? 16:24:19 Can't connect to website? WEBSITE MUST BE DOWN 16:24:54 -!- cheater00 has joined. 16:25:00 Phantom_Hoover, I think Chrome has a thing where it submits inability to connect to some Google server, and if a lot of people can't connect... 16:25:10 Ilari, when is depletion for RIPE? 16:25:34 Sgeo, it couldn't connect to the page because *my WiFi was down*. 16:25:42 Oh 16:26:51 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 16:28:40 Gregor, stracing low shows it dying during the execve call. 16:29:01 Vorpal: Lagerholm (ipv4depletion.com) says 2012-10-17. Huston (potaroo.net) doesn't seem to give estimate until APNIC depletes (and RIPE becomes next). RIPE itself says "this year". 16:30:12 For some reason, Lagerholm gives really optimistic estimates for RIRs. Huston is much more pessimistic (might not be as pessimistic as reality). With IANA depletion, it was the other way around. 16:31:16 Also, ARIN says "this year". 16:32:18 Haha. Reading comment by Huston written in November: "A less conservative model that uses settings that reflect continued escalation of demand through 2011 now forecasts APNIC exhausting its address pools in September 2011." 16:33:26 Heck, now it is mostly question of if depletion occurs in first or second half of April (The current huston estimate of May 5th looks quite overly optimistic). 16:37:37 -!- cheater99 has joined. 16:38:36 -!- cheater00 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 16:40:04 -!- cal153 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:41:50 -!- sftp has joined. 16:42:04 Hmm, is there any way I can use Libertine in LaTeX? 17:01:28 " oklopol: wait, you're finnish??" <<< yes, what else? 17:02:56 i figured my decent knowledge of the finnish language was a dead giveaway 17:04:56 Conclusion: JRR Tolkien was Finnish. 17:05:57 everyone's finnish in here 17:09:44 oklopol: i know a little about suomi without being finnish! 17:09:45 Except Vorpal. 17:09:51 HE DOES NOT HAVE THE AWESOME 17:10:04 does not have the... "quality" 17:10:35 do you know the language or the country? 17:11:43 i don't get why anyone would learn the language, but everyone seems to know "yksi, kaksi, kulma, n�ljy" 17:11:54 or something related 17:12:30 I know that the country completely failed at mocking gullible foreigners. 17:12:43 ? 17:13:05 well maybe scratch that 17:13:41 I mean, you seriously go for naked snow rolls? 17:13:51 That's *classic* gullible foreigner material right there. 17:14:13 are you saying we don't? 17:14:45 I'm saying you shouldn't *unless* it enables you to mock gullible foreigners. 17:15:07 ... naked snow rolls. 17:15:38 -!- asiekierka has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:15:40 maybe we could mock them by telling them we don't roll in the snow naked and when they go "figured" we could laugh behind their backs and go back to the sauna 17:15:43 those are actually pretty enjoyable. 17:16:01 what I don't get is swimming in holes in the ice. 17:16:14 You Finns just don't get it. 17:16:25 -!- Mannerisky has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:16:29 See, over here we have this thing called haggis. 17:16:33 Also bagpipes. 17:16:49 but bagpipes were pretty common all over europe 17:17:03 Zwaarddijk: you've tried and disliked? 17:17:04 As an instrument of torture! 17:17:15 it's just the British Empire's Army's bagpipe corps that've made them associated with Scotland 17:17:23 oklopol: tried and liked and lapsed from liking 17:18:39 i haven't done it for a while either, although multiple times this winter 17:18:42 i like haggis 17:18:43 it is good 17:18:46 haggis is great 17:19:05 oklopol, see? You've been gullible foreigner'd. 17:19:07 klop: i like the fact that suomi is similar to hungarian and japanese, from grammar 17:19:18 Phantom_Hoover: how? i still dgi 17:19:21 Phantom_Hoover: I figured that was the Scots tricking themselves into it 17:19:37 Phantom_Hoover: i've had really good haggis, but it was sold at waitrose in london, which is this posh supermarket. 17:19:46 sort of being gullible at being distinct from the english 17:19:48 Phantom_Hoover: i wouldn't dare eat it from say a stand or a pub somewhere. 17:20:53 cheater99: the similarity to japanese is less than commonly claimed 17:21:00 heat: i don't think we have anything in common with the japanese grammar, at least based on what i know sofar 17:21:10 oklopol: somewhat head-last 17:21:17 oklopol: japanese almost has a case system 17:21:20 that's about it? 17:21:28 Zwaarddijk: knowing both japanese and finnish is less than common. 17:21:44 I know three our four people that know passable japanese and finnish 17:21:59 well done. 17:22:03 but uh 17:22:10 I've read typological accounts of Japanese 17:22:15 finnish is more head-last than english? 17:22:19 and I consider reading a reference grammar at some point 17:22:25 oklopol: yes. 17:22:37 we have postpositions. 17:22:40 that's about it, I think? 17:22:55 hmm right 17:23:28 that indeed is a similarity 17:24:03 Head-last? 17:24:26 Phantom_Hoover: heads of phrases go after dependants 17:24:27 -!- cal153 has joined. 17:25:02 I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THESE FINN WORDS 17:25:10 Phantom_Hoover: so like, English is head-first, since the head of a noun phrase (the article), goes first, the head of a prepositional phrase goes before the noun phrase, the head of the verb phrase (the verb) goes before the arguments 17:25:15 according to my tiny understanding, head-last = stack-based 17:25:27 -!- lament has joined. 17:25:40