< 1300579541 174000 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: And now you're gone :P < 1300579565 955067 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anybody wants a logbot, glogbot is pretty stable now. < 1300579868 811976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs > 1300579868 826206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1300579875 824302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOUS SOVIET yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D | NEW SOCIALIST TRADITIONS APPR < 1300579881 496440 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :glögbot, on the other hand, just keeps on drinking. < 1300579884 286991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOUS SOVIET yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1300579893 576614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is that yours? should be called flogbot < 1300579917 511789 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :glöggbot <3 < 1300579919 176340 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name does not start with an 'f' :P < 1300579925 719229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1300579929 736508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300579998 589652 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs more g's. < 1300580013 286386 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the maximum nick length on Freenode? < 1300580034 785250 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :experiment < 1300580037 827164 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shall remain glogbot :P < 1300580044 62636 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 chars or so, IIRC. < 1300580046 779522 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggglogbot? < 1300580059 766263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :giggityglogbot? < 1300580062 532207 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gluebot. < 1300580076 867776 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: 17. < 1300580090 911489 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :entgegengegangen, my favourite german word. < 1300580097 555124 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 16. < 1300580150 356697 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a multiple of 4 anyway, because when I changed fungot to antiantianti... for testing, it got cut off between the 'anti's. < 1300580179 78804 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 indeed, it seems. < 1300580186 802556 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most bacon consumed in the United Kingdom is back bacon." The UK is full of HEATHENS and SINNERS AGAINST BACON < 1300580245 235935 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1300580309 672210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "entgegengegangen" means? < 1300580335 481036 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread that as "black bacon", thought it was some sort of term for completely burned bacon, was all "huh, that's a weird preference". < 1300580335 688492 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ent gegen gegangs < 1300580344 709862 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's even googleable < 1300580364 427269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gone to meet", apparently < 1300580378 625704 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300580397 547807 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; past tense of entgegen/gehen, one of their silly two-part verbs. < 1300580486 351478 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the context it was introduced to me was a person gone to meet someone else at the train station. "gehen" is "to go", while "entgegen" is generally "against". < 1300580620 99636 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300580718 910526 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish idiom "mennä vastaan" (lit "to go against ") for sort-of going to "receive"/meet someone (who's e.g. coming to a visit) might well be from that. < 1300580768 316209 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300582134 217233 :cheater99!~cheater@g229030005.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300582361 471510 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my log converter in C for some lunatic reason. Easily the worst C program I've written in my entire life. < 1300582370 195663 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need no log bot I have server logs. Server logs works better. < 1300582376 675376 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then write a better C program. < 1300582398 189947 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ... you have server logs ... of FreeNode? < 1300582407 513741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only of my own server. < 1300582410 723187 :cheater99!~cheater@g229030005.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300582421 407980 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then there's that :P < 1300582424 265346 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not need server logs of FreeNode, I can use the clog for this channel. < 1300582439 320596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And glogbot can also be used for this channel, as well as the other logs. < 1300582464 760334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other channels that are logged have their own logs. < 1300582541 390638 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Don't you know that string processing is the single worst thing to do in C? < 1300582543 201846 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think server logs works better in general. < 1300582555 179633 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: strtok, bitch! < 1300582566 271604 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd sooner 切腹. < 1300582576 152864 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can do string processing in C. C works for many things that are not specific to only one computer. < 1300582593 213892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, but it's so insanely tedious to do string processing in C. < 1300582606 210111 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not far above Brainfuck on that front. < 1300582627 531677 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much the only advantage you get there is *more than one pointer*. < 1300582670 89124 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, I don't think you can do the equivalent of tail -f with C stdio only. < 1300582728 435173 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, I can do string processing fine in C. You just have to know what it is that you need, and then just make it. < 1300582733 309773 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (1) { fopen fseek fread fclose } < 1300582759 412546 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It is *possible*, yes. < 1300582771 733635 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's just about on par with doing it in Brainfuck. < 1300582822 807160 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh yeah, I guess I could work it out with fopen/fseek/fclose ... didn't work with just opening it once throughout. < 1300582848 889122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, in C you can use macros and more than one pointer, and memory allocation, and stuff like that. < 1300582903 708082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Still insanely tedious compared to doing it in, oh, *nearly any other high-level language*. < 1300583094 938470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Probably, but I am capable to do some insane things, and it is not too difficult if you know what you are trying to make, therefore it is OK. But it is OK to use other program language, too. < 1300583157 206101 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, now arguing sanity in #esoteric. has he lost his marbles? < 1300583186 212067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing for sanity is a clear sign of not having any < 1300583205 930799 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, it is possible to have both sanity and insanity. < 1300583219 827383 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes. < 1300583426 875004 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there program to convert PCL printing file to other format in case your printer does not use PCL? < 1300583674 964512 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1300585053 644167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585065 238347 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585065 368722 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585407 965188 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300585419 787091 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-213.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585441 436172 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes the fool things stay connected. < 1300585523 256293 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585523 794977 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1300585524 44739 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585682 252466 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300587003 272492 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300588121 840045 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1300588207 24701 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300588259 257402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-163.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300588440 738857 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-213.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300589288 917620 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, checking user modes is a friggin' pain. < 1300589691 80531 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300589712 971322 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300589738 354124 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300589764 246171 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300589918 986505 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-163.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300589925 924005 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-238.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300590375 323134 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Quit: Later < 1300590739 822791 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300590906 808251 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wanted to make a public logger bot, how would you make it verify that a request to join a channel is legit? < 1300590923 842395 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I can't determine who the ops on a channel are without joining it ... < 1300591083 996050 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, /whois does < 1300591466 858627 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-238.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300591471 467410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300591944 922027 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, only if they are on the same channel IIRC (or they don't have the secret options set) < 1300591959 384984 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *could* query chanserv access - but that wouldn't be complete > 1300591974 581349 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300591986 769364 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300592031 423237 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be whoisable, is secret even default? < 1300592039 696246 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not default then who cares, they'll just have to not be so sneaky to use it :P < 1300592070 675340 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, loghandler is running hot ... how odd. < 1300592079 352333 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s isn't default < 1300592083 809309 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+p is a candidate too < 1300592091 573561 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+p hides from whois, shows on list) < 1300592101 453387 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second, +s IS default, this is freenode < 1300592103 820667 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they do that anyway < 1300592126 124620 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If +s is default, then why am I not +s? < 1300592131 378207 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s is a channel mode < 1300592137 367795 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i is invisible < 1300592145 142137 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1300592146 259753 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hides you from /who and /names < 1300592156 537644 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i hides a user from channel listings < 1300592160 296045 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s hides a channel from user listings < 1300592160 650523 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1300592166 130805 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is +s only default for chanserv-controlled channels? < 1300592167 604187 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "information" not "listings" < 1300592170 290865 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1300592174 404237 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i joined a random string of letters < 1300592180 749388 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was set +s < 1300592187 157335 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1300592190 724457 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ns, what a weird default < 1300592206 36639 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess there could be reasons for it < 1300592219 545044 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once found a bunch of oper channels by getting on a server that crashed right after it came up < 1300592221 665774 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whoising opers < 1300592228 575730 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the server resynched < 1300592228 944179 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300592248 559 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they autoreconnceted to the server and joined the channels, but the channels weren't +s because they weren't with chanserv yet! < 1300592253 265550 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm foobar. < 1300592271 410045 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to make requests legit in this case >_> < 1300592290 714995 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join the channel < 1300592296 528492 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not legit, ignore the user < 1300592303 812676 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1300592323 972479 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1300592343 663942 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can at least verify that the channel exists before joining it < 1300592346 144165 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I require them to be an op anyway, I could just say they have to temporarily set it to -s ... or is that a huge pain due to ChanServ rumblings. < 1300592347 810419 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps has > X users < 1300592358 385298 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems like on freenode nobody bothers to op up < 1300592365 348651 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so requiring ops would be a bit of a pain < 1300592372 571041 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is just a one-time thing to prevent fraud. < 1300592378 479139 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one possibility would be to join and announce something the first time you join the chanenl < 1300592380 825029 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel < 1300592383 459816 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want logging, you op yourself then request the bot, then you never have to again. < 1300592388 286267 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "ops may ban me from this channel with this command" < 1300592389 568098 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1300592407 195047 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [Gregor] #esoteric < 1300592410 816818 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ops can request that glogbot leave a channel at any time, but there shouldn't need to be ops around to prevent it from improperly logging a channel. < 1300592419 239923 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ... fascinating. < 1300592432 160067 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough < 1300592444 610637 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of "don't log at first" or something < 1300592445 739147 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1300592451 931054 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you look at it it's a bit of an annoyance < 1300592454 132779 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, my point is that if you are on any other channels - I can't see them < 1300592468 421693 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Ah, yeah, >_> < 1300592471 246123 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on, like, dozens :P < 1300592475 913377 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does freenode even use chanserv? i messaged chanserv 'help' but no response < 1300592480 794160 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1300592484 337905 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went into another channel window wut < 1300592493 236850 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, yes it does < 1300592545 529257 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, :- < 1300592546 668952 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1300592556 92993 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad you can't use WHY without access < 1300592574 597740 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my lag is ~ 10s now :-( ) < 1300592576 591826 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, i guess it comes down to you basically just have to either make them jump through hoops or risk being irritating < 1300592602 327661 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, I set ##glogbot23 (a temp testing channel) to -s and it still can't see it in /whois ... < 1300592612 998113 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, tasting a channel should be fine: you get asked to join, join channel, check if person is ops) < 1300592613 165815 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :if courses there is a race condition there < 1300592636 986438 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, are you +i ? < 1300592644 390070 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Nope < 1300592644 849731 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't matter < 1300592650 845919 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i doesn't hide your channels < 1300592654 291984 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can somebody else /whois me? < 1300592657 207815 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hides you from user searches < 1300592660 125148 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i only see #esoteric < 1300592665 53872 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq < 1300592666 168384 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently freenode is Privacy Happy < 1300592669 568733 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [Gregor] #esoteric < 1300592704 227811 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, this is so obnoxious. < 1300592728 21354 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300592734 527294 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :runescript joins to check the names list then parts < 1300592742 647486 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know they'd have figured out a better way if it was feasible < 1300592746 674452 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is called 'tasting' myndzi ) < 1300592747 89040 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, you're pretty much stuck doing that < 1300592765 100517 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so lame ... should I make the bot apologize if it's requested improperly? < 1300592788 471146 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no. j/p spam usually don't matter < 1300592791 522557 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could use the part message < 1300592799 777999 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't matter < 1300592802 317674 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely ignore the obnoxious user < 1300592805 243865 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least temporarily < 1300592820 925913 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, as well as limiting channel joins to 1/3 min or so < 1300592827 41677 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: I don't want to ignore, it's possible that they just forgot to op or something. < 1300592846 457860 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ignore on two offenses then ;p < 1300592856 74685 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, idea: < 1300592859 623848 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just keep it as-is: Only people who are considered ops to glogbot itself are allowed to !glogbot_join, but others may !glogbot_part if they're ops on the channel in question. < 1300592860 531080 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it depend on /invite < 1300592865 485365 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOH < 1300592882 821213 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought he was already making use of /invite < 1300592894 871959 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never /invite, forgot you had to be op < 1300592897 611799 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was conditional < 1300592903 319215 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, by default you must be op < 1300592906 945373 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if channel is +i only ops can invite or something < 1300592917 100652 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a channel flag for everyone invite < 1300592921 176472 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1300592929 599175 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode specific probably then < 1300592938 447809 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, possibly < 1300592951 114694 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, another option is to *join* but not *log* < 1300592959 377767 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on fn /invite works < 1300592966 504320 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm loving the /invite idea. < 1300593594 836091 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300593826 255588 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, /invite = good times. < 1300594111 337382 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, if anybody wants their channel logged, /invite glogbot. < 1300594168 5932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot? < 1300594179 205108 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fancy new logger bot I made because I wanted logs in a raw format. < 1300594184 282109 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it can help that immediately after invited, sends a NOTICE to the channel with the URL of the logs for that channel? < 1300594206 514363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That is good, now we have 2 formats on glogbot and 1 format on clog. < 1300594213 246124 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You're right, it should. < 1300594227 976261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be a Freenode service < 1300594243 202401 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Or perhaps a subcommand of CS < 1300594248 253239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, logs in topic can be.. well, can't know if theere are other logbots, but < 1300594263 959038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semi-enforced < 1300594288 832600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, CS LOGS to configure logs for a channel and view status information about logs for a channel. < 1300594363 68552 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me, it makes sense, that if it were a Freenode service, make it a subcommand of the CS command. Now anyone can check if there is logs by typing something such as CS LOGS STATUS #freenode < 1300594383 714440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or CS LOGS #freenode STATUS < 1300594426 650386 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300594538 244225 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if they do that, subcommands of CS LOGS might be: STATUS START STOP NEW TIMEZONE MESSAGE AUXLINK ANNOTATE < 1300595444 945395 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor, another option is to *join* but not *log* // btw I don't really have the ability to use this option, as my logs include literally every byte into and out of the bot excluding the nickserv identification request. < 1300595480 461523 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even privmsgs are all publicly logged. < 1300595490 841277 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah, I see < 1300595502 65433 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :/invite works on Freenode then < 1300595511 798535 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :on other networks I duno < 1300595518 577258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVITE is a standard IRC command. < 1300595521 97929 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a one-network logger bot :P < 1300595530 730275 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The problem with other networks is that I'm using /invite to imply +o < 1300595538 32340 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's only true (by default) on Freenode. < 1300595542 679096 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes - but I don't know if it could be guaranteed to be limited to opers < 1300595554 676980 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm - what Gregor said :-p < 1300595594 98287 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, glogbot is for Freenode only anyways; if it is made for other networks as well then more features to edit those configuration can be added to it. < 1300595630 847202 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1300595739 195653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my own server it is not problem for a few reasons, one of which is that it uses server side logging. Also the policy is different, and only channels with topic messages are logged anyways, so there is no such problem. If other IRC networks could also do server side logging then it is not much of the problem anymore. Such as adding a CS LOGS command, for networks that use the CS command. < 1300595789 501769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Freenode, if you use the command HELP INVITE it tells you a few things about the INVITE command in IRC. < 1300595966 8430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither HELP INVITE nor HELP CMODE tells anything about only operators use INVITE command. < 1300596027 848590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another possibility is to have it log channels with the property USEGLOGBOT set. < 1300596115 797238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even with networks with CS, they do not all support CS SET PROPERTY though. < 1300596243 993378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300596252 341398 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-169.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300596676 906273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should not start humming My Heart Will Go On when I see some trigonometry < 1300596698 867434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you? < 1300596723 369914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in this one case < 1300596782 305882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1300596802 980291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's a very complicated way of doing it, so there's an easier way" as though difficulty just makes easier ways appear out of magic < 1300596825 618869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because "near [cos], far [sin], wherever you are"... < 1300597400 352771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300597486 600581 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1300597870 457588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's move to space! < 1300597909 979106 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300597968 41627 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300602962 687279 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300602976 166614 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300603951 858109 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :hipsterpumpkin < 1300604381 417582 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300604390 119978 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1300604395 235941 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-169.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300604830 123642 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AM I STILL AWAKE? < 1300604934 279479 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT STILL SLEEPING! < 1300604939 197041 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300604963 62284 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300604976 147000 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is getting a kick out of the myth of Osiris and Isis... < 1300605014 692126 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osiris died and rose again. Through him all can have eternal life. < 1300605030 936360 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was a common ritual to consume his flesh, in the form of unleavened bread. < 1300606293 578115 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300606684 498217 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, there's still native speakers of one of the languages on the Rosetta Stone. < 1300606975 138640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Greek. < 1300607005 350902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having the oldest writings that can, in a genuinely meanigful sense, be said to be in a modern language. < 1300607261 601207 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: no. < 1300607267 42785 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is incorrect. < 1300607288 58826 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient greek and modern greek are not mutually intelligible. < 1300607312 952273 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they actually had a large degree of mutual intelligibility? < 1300607315 839521 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1300607482 506661 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then I guess the claim for "oldest writings that can, in a genuinely meaningful sense, be said to be in a modern language" would almost have to go for Classical Chinese. Except the damned bastards in China had to kill that off last century. :P < 1300607504 523508 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also classical chinese is quite distinct from mandarin. < 1300607511 376181 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm well aware. < 1300607517 259546 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even last century noone spoke classical chinese natively < 1300607543 728106 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of Classical Chinese was more akin to the use of Latin than anything else, except it took longer to stop. < 1300607555 378092 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300607560 7476 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesnt make it a modern language. < 1300607614 631996 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it served as essentially the *only* form of writing. < 1300607629 813301 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1300607642 646424 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, "modern" in the sense that people actually used it, not modern in the sense that it was a fucking zombie language. < 1300607647 854367 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300607654 223458 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people" didnt actually use it < 1300607673 238142 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the written language, sure < 1300607673 375771 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you forget < 1300607686 560776 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most chinese people were completely illiterate, and the only people who could write did so for rather officious reasons < 1300607712 198171 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dur, Chinese literacy only really came about after the switch to "vernacular" Chinese. < 1300607720 632814 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1300607745 93017 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though, Written Chinese is only an accurate encoding of the vernacular for a *subset* of speakers of Chinese languages... But I digress.) < 1300607767 735036 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern written mandarin is indeed only accurate for mandarin speakers < 1300607779 853003 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats like saying modern written dutch is only accurate for dutch speakers < 1300607781 505308 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1300607786 550196 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :germans write in written german < 1300607792 956420 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cantonese speakers write in written cantonese < 1300607804 874163 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And every other speaker of a Chinese language is boned. < 1300607812 298130 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300607833 679557 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the Chinese languages are not commonly written. < 1300607860 80088 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but most chinese speakers write their native chinese language. < 1300607890 16299 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the top half dozen or so chinese languages are commonly written < 1300608103 843563 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should stick to talking about languages I actually know. :P < 1300608115 875442 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300608167 833472 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly this means I need to become immortal, and thereby have time to learn all languages. :P < 1300608177 412421 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wont help < 1300608185 254204 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a time machine. < 1300608191 997912 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically < 1300608194 640238 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were a time lord < 1300608200 658543 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300608319 313053 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were a timelord you'd already know every language in the universe < 1300608322 43132 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1300608343 865497 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if I were actually a timelord. < 1300608364 551134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I merely had some of the properties of a timelord, I'd have to work at it. But what's a few millenia out of eternity, anyways? < 1300608574 709256 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300610690 45411 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-30.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300610700 617435 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300611189 559833 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mind you, time lords only get 13 lives < 1300612512 921154 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-209.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300612811 2539 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1300612833 602032 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300612867 598158 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300612958 236013 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300613426 28457 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300613853 353817 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300613922 18821 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300614519 779938 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-209.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300614859 713062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300614863 862271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1300614864 31897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300615780 417989 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300615787 60526 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1300621470 765477 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-30.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300621502 188602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300623852 115579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE PIKHQ WHY IS GLORIOVS CHANNEL TOPIC CONTAINING CAPITALIST LOWER CASE < 1300624173 946426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300624835 589974 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300625023 581982 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300625463 603677 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300625697 412584 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300625703 594029 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300626519 922138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric > 1300627378 173788 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300627389 610810 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300629264 15933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[A falling cat's terminal velocity is 100 km/h]] — WP < 1300629269 808917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... how did they... < 1300629331 415118 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe with the vertical wind tunnel + net thing. < 1300629362 882697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST MENTAL IMAGE EVER < 1300629381 953384 :hipsterpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300629385 81831 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe with MATH. < 1300629388 8040 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lunatics. < 1300629408 65801 :hipsterpumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300629409 848894 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Maybe with the vertical wind tunnel + net thing." <<< luckiest cat in the world < 1300629437 554416 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no citation for that number. :/ < 1300629455 590894 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyone can check it < 1300629457 375930 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed] < 1300629472 80423 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a cat and an earth < 1300629472 731359 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But that would be ORIGINAL RESEARCH, a big no-no. < 1300629478 408487 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300629479 932206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1300629495 235611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now eternally depressed that that experiment has already been done. < 1300629541 522925 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't they like original research? it makes sense but i'm not sure why < 1300629555 371791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me that i really really want to play mc right now < 1300629659 463502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pixels are too big on my screen < 1300629728 79954 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play MC with the 960x1200 window instead of fullscreen partially because the vertically oriented window doesn't make it scale the UI parts so hueg. < 1300629769 388921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry the mc and the pixel comment didn't have anything to do with each other < 1300629778 507434 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, still! < 1300629782 209297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, #esoteric-minecraft < 1300629842 753028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually *going* to play, i have to prove theorems and prepare a lecture and watch a season of house < 1300629860 90885 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that order? < 1300629869 837191 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, umm < 1300629889 370123 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably in the order 1. watch a season of house 2. oh fuck it's late i'll wake up at 3am to do the rest < 1300629928 13605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a man can drem < 1300629929 344858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dream < 1300629939 442937 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dremel < 1300629957 699449 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, oklopol can drem. < 1300630038 512644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best word seen on WP: "destinated". < 1300630633 36589 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are in fact 42 instances of "destinated" *bran axplote* < 1300630635 580101 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300630637 667611 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain too* < 1300630655 285874 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many instances of "axplote"? < 1300630665 805902 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero, thankfully :P < 1300630688 571213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the material i'm doing had this pretty hilarious theorem, "for small enough value of a there exist d = d(a) and a constant B_a such that m_B(B_d^n(y)) <= B_a*e^(-nh) for all y \in X, n >= 1" where m_B is a measure, and B_d^n(y) is a kind of ball around y; and then they build, given a value of a, d and B_a with a straight face :D < 1300630701 514035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you had to be there. < 1300630706 407993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't stop laughing < 1300630777 420560 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d and B_a depend on a, and they don't even explicitly mention what "small enough" means, even though that is all that matters since m_B(B_d^n(y)) <= B_a*e^(-nh) doesn't even use "a" anywhere < 1300630996 54803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually for fun, let me define B_d^n(x), it is the set {y \in X | \forall 0 <= i < n: dist(x, y) < d}, where X is a compact metric space and T is an homeomorphism of the space to itself (the dynamics, which we assume reversible here) < 1300630998 532701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300631024 184972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :B_d^n(x) = {y \in X | \forall 0 <= i < n: dist(x, T^i(y)) < d} of course < 1300631052 505053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay last attempt: B_d^n(x) = {y \in X | \forall 0 <= i < n: dist(T^i(x), T^i(y)) < d} < 1300631062 313585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it should make sense < 1300631352 347173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people never join the definition frenzy with their own definitions, and it's no fun alone < 1300631355 413527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300631398 21667 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-239.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300631404 291915 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-77.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300631427 17316 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let (X, T) be as previously, we say T is expansive if there exists a constant d such that for all x, y \in X, exists n such that dist(T^n(x), T^n(y)) > d < 1300631509 612889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all x!=y of course < 1300631981 94757 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems if there are no isolated points then necessarily the n don't have a uniform bound: given d, we take an arbitrary x. by continuity of T, there exists d_1 such that dist(T'(x), y) < d_1 implies dist(x, T(y)) < d, where T' is the inverse of T. similarly, we find d_i for all i, so that if dist(T'^i(x), y) < d_i, then dist(x, T^i(y)) < d. if there are no isolated points, we can then always choose some such y < 1300631998 230397 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x isolated point = {x} is an open set < 1300632009 617228 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, there exists an open ball that is a singleton set < 1300632021 384041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that contains x) < 1300632120 444067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my first instinct was that there must be a uniform bound, by what compactness usually gives you. but it's actually a rather retarded thing to think now that i think about it. < 1300632308 99653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINITION FRENZY < 1300632464 277632 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :frenzy (n): See orgy < 1300632483 850211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i was just thinking about math orgies today < 1300632495 76249 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best (worst?) kind of orgies. < 1300632558 198154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo has some good definitions i'm sure < 1300632570 57058 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: would you like to engage in exchange of mental fluids < 1300632594 389393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to pretend I'm AFK < 1300632598 930408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300632621 677511 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a completely other matter, what have you learned on the courses? < 1300632688 24027 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever manage to prove that (x + y)/2 + 0/2 = x/2 + y/2 < 1300632701 845418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gave up last time < 1300632766 742973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha? < 1300632781 428623 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intersection of diagonals problem < 1300632794 815365 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give you a hint: you need two axioms, one is not enough < 1300632855 337089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadistic bitches, there are like 10 axioms so level 2 requires like 100 attempts < 1300632927 542113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait then there's the axioms (ab)*v = a*(b*v) where a, b in the field, v a vector. when the scalars are R, that might take some time < 1300632932 659827 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*axiom < 1300632960 499463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can apply that... what's 4 times uncountable? < 1300632964 496440 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that many times < 1300633000 639880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's divisible by two, so maybe you could prove the claim for p*uncountable where p is a prime first, and then show the the numbers that satisfy it are closed under multiplication < 1300633032 278554 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i hope i don't have to clarify that this makes absolutely no sense) < 1300633054 527094 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm and i meant 4 is composite < 1300633592 579400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so wait, have you given up on the category theory? < 1300633632 185141 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo category theory :o < 1300633642 494377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: teach me some category theory < 1300633687 252551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it's, like, lines. < 1300633696 710215 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay so far so good what then < 1300633704 957601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, oerjan mentioned he was a line researcher once... < 1300633709 407952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you have many lines, like, over 67 < 1300633715 988489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could ask him for insights on the matter. < 1300633722 600390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :67 is far beyond my ken. < 1300633727 624100 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1300633732 231233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can barely go above 5. < 1300633742 88902 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is actually pretty big < 1300633788 827085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, took me years to get that high. < 1300633888 281557 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: u got any fun definitions < 1300633890 750070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if I could learn all of math all at once, I would < 1300633906 696615 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There happens to be more convenient learning material for multivariable calculus < 1300633912 341684 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too especially all of it < 1300633920 36653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, multivariable calculus is the boring. < 1300633921 793656 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in particular, everything < 1300633930 732993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculus is pretty meh yeah < 1300634118 123386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :semigroups are the more fun < 1300634184 950190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Semigroup" is such a stupid name. < 1300634198 412248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a third of a group, not half! < 1300634208 171816 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes and pi should be 2pi, stop repeating your crazy arguments < 1300634267 263877 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot now sends you a notice if you set the /topic to something that doesn't contain the logging URL. I estimate time until somebody bitches about that to be roughly two days. Excluding the response immediately to this message. < 1300634305 349032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOVS MARXIST yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | DIELECTRIC SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: REMOVED FOR SOCIALIST SCIENCE < 1300634308 708751 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i dislike you because you implemented that penis of a feature < 1300634328 50257 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl, apparently it always notices me X-D < 1300634329 997762 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixfix* < 1300634342 358825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOVS MARXIST yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | DIELECTRIC SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: REMOVED FOR MORE SOCIALIST SCIENCE < 1300634342 538107 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, NOW it notices the offender :P < 1300634362 361527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOVS MARXIST yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | DIELECTRIC SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1300634374 247546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode policy since when? < 1300634382 50269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ever < 1300634392 60451 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the beginning of time. < 1300634407 215339 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just a suggestion. And/or to mention the logging in the welcome message, not the topic. < 1300634421 697269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does mister newbie know < 1300634429 930222 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been here for years < 1300634439 349258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wonder even read part of the welcome message of this channel < 1300634447 89412 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300634448 442391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*once < 1300634452 16598 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact." < 1300634457 918064 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess at least now it says like that. < 1300634469 20338 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a "should". < 1300634472 98348 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somewhat unclear whether it's a strict policy or just a strong suggestion. < 1300634483 945533 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But either way it's a glogbot policy to consider it a Freenode policy :P < 1300634496 115927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's #esoteric policy tho < 1300634498 246538 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging --" < 1300634518 826165 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's trickier with a raw logging bot :P < 1300634549 448784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeey i want to be able to make comments without logging < 1300634566 828905 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggested mechanism? < 1300634572 918076 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make it not log channel notices. < 1300634577 39670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i won't have to censor my speech all the time < 1300634595 351462 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I do it like this? < 1300634597 627169 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org NOTICE #esoteric :I wonder if clog logs notices ... < 1300634607 453256 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it does < 1300634612 952124 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, I'm not gonna parse pseudoHTML :P < 1300634639 880907 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, it does. < 1300634657 982693 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could make glogbot not (publicly) log notices anyway, but it'd be pretty pointless. < 1300634672 257331 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many logs would a clog log, if clog could log logs? < 1300634697 831523 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fizzie in the eye with a stick. < 1300634748 513983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, pseudoHTML = XML? < 1300634763 119338 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tastes like HTML to me. < 1300634826 562360 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could keep a map of "don't log this" :nick!user@host prefixes, and add to that list whenever says "glogbot: I hate you I hate you I HATE YOU"? < 1300634877 391521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's stateful, though. :/ < 1300634887 284835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO GOOD SOCIALIST WOVLD HATE COMRADE GLOGBOT < 1300634896 450816 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stateful anyway, it has a channel list and op list *shrugs* < 1300634897 748264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THAT NOT TRVE, COMRADE FUNGOT? < 1300634901 774542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1300634901 998746 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: more time, < 1300634921 165020 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Couldn't you be case-insensitive anyway? < 1300634921 500413 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i had actually forgotten most of the time < 1300634939 993172 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGOT YOU HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN OFTEN ENOUGH < 1300634944 266350 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ case in point < 1300635083 135711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to be able to make one-off comments that aren't logged < 1300635113 907578 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you just mass-privmsg your non-logged comments to everyone on channel. < 1300635131 43518 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's going to be real popular.) < 1300635137 906780 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mass-notice < 1300635143 549024 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't open query windows (usually) < 1300635145 657952 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mass-destruct. < 1300635161 844136 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can add nonlogged bits to glogbot, but it's pointless w/ clog still here. < 1300635164 20102 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still going to end up not being associated with the correct channel. < 1300635178 648874 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Better to be in the wrong channel than in a bloody query window. < 1300635200 615763 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was wrong with clog, incidentally? (Except the fact that it's broken every now and then.) < 1300635208 569099 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted raw logs. < 1300635230 454255 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw and BLOODY. < 1300635239 774088 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw and GETTIMEOFDAYEY < 1300635267 143094 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how does your logging format distinguish between the two seconds around a leap second that have the same unix-time number? < 1300635287 775518 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT DOES NOT, AND EVERYBODY GETS CONFUSED < 1300635292 180459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh NO! < 1300635357 551187 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More Lemmings.) < 1300635491 543667 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless ... < 1300635503 600032 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does gettimeofday do something tricky with it? < 1300635515 615719 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does, no. < 1300635517 772817 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like report tv_usec values greater than 100000 < 1300635520 182831 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1300635529 606259 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typoed 1000000 btw :P < 1300635631 397423 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :".. proposed a similar solution: < 1300635631 584489 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday() will not return during 23:59:60. If a process calls < 1300635631 584545 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday() during a leap second, then the call will sleep until 0:00:00 < 1300635631 584565 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it can return the correct result. < 1300635631 584614 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This horrified the real-time people. It is, however, strictly speaking, < 1300635633 899503 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely correct. < 1300635645 631854 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that would be a rather unexpected "solution". < 1300635656 68338 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think anything does that.) < 1300635666 25651 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's Very Bad™ w.r.t. realtime. < 1300635695 220655 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just fail with E_INTERRUPTED (or whatever that error code is) if it's called at the wrong time. < 1300635706 378601 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose most people work under the assumption that gettimeofday never fails :P < 1300635752 563342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pretty funny workaround though < 1300635777 766076 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300635805 599113 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has suggested a CLOCK_UTC secondary clock, for which clock_gettime would return >=1000000000 tv_nsec values. < 1300635809 353035 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Aways.) < 1300636201 564748 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-77.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300636205 805887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-65.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300636326 474343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300636430 300488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300636432 402986 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300636446 25508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300637454 471378 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi blogs < 1300637607 25063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wouldn't expect this channel to be full of blogs < 1300637646 629855 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least oklopol is a blog (and possibly more people) < 1300637675 675622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean "blogger"? < 1300637709 863256 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, blog. < 1300637712 708375 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone says i'm a blog and i don't am in my opinion :( < 1300637721 468209 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes you do. < 1300637729 261477 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do are! < 1300637744 343750 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i am amn't i :\ < 1300637762 77323 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out < 1300637805 339385 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*confirmed* < 1300637846 688856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's some of the best abuse of grammar I've ever seen, I'm impressed < 1300637911 673642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am amn't i = i am (am)^{-1} i = i i = 1 if i is an involution though < 1300637925 712672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am i an involution? < 1300637943 805204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is where math stops and poetry begins < 1300638268 220506 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-65.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300638274 586895 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-168-205.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300638977 575554 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think you're more of an involuntary than an involution. < 1300639082 724236 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate on that? i'm not entirely sure what you mean < 1300639091 951878 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably in semigroup terms < 1300639125 378445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're, like, the associative law. < 1300639144 239667 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. (1) involuntary, nonvoluntary, unvoluntary -- (not subject to the control of the will; "involuntary manslaughter"; "involuntary servitude"; "an involuntary shudder"; "It (becoming a hero) was involuntary. They sank my boat"- John F.Kennedy) < 1300639152 741130 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those quotes sound very okoish. < 1300639220 238155 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose i've experimented in all of those < 1300639222 678217 :hipsterpumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com NICK :copumpkin < 1300639223 45744 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1300639223 195416 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300640343 622147 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :involuntary fart < 1300640875 994197 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300640876 923442 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300641027 4986 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-84.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300641341 581779 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300641533 953605 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300642497 300440 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scans the names list for ehird and finds him absent. < 1300642528 577855 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you'll have to fulfill the role of ehird, then. < 1300642534 318013 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's Minecraft been treating you? < 1300642540 298666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: e's "elliott" on IRC nowadays, but isn't here right now < 1300642781 638645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is multivariable calculus, in fact, boring? < 1300642798 637834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it can become routine after a while < 1300642810 202957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'd call it boring, it's more like arithmetic, just more complex < 1300642824 51308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly boring if you have to do it hundreds of times out of context for no reason < 1300642826 327000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so are most things < 1300642852 241421 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I bother continuing this MIT thing, or should I look for something else to try to learn? < 1300642958 275712 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300643526 894184 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :KITTY KITTY KITTY KITTY KITTY KITTY < 1300644545 851482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300644632 567548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, yeah, elliott stormed off and hasn't been seen since. < 1300644645 34902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, he's online AtM. < 1300644721 401980 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I see. Excellent. < 1300644793 570208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does anyone with ops need to request glogbot parted, can't you use the KICK command for that? Just like INVITE can join, then KICK can part, isn't it? < 1300644828 796035 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suppose I could make kick serve that function, good point. !glogbot_part is just a bit more civil :P < 1300644902 156753 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: learning theory is overrated, just do math problems and all will be zen < 1300645095 961714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your level, you can find fun exercises by just browsing wp and proving definitions of things equivalent < 1300645165 545552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, WP is not useful for learning or getting interesting problems. < 1300645214 234914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine proving the definitions of continuity to be equivalent would not be trivial for him < 1300645227 12740 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Done. < 1300645243 432339 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm sure you can prove them equivalent easily, that's not the point. and i'm not zzo < 1300645254 841135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 13 seconds is impressive < 1300645261 119190 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*16 < 1300645264 609186 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-..-. < 1300645270 189697 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sort of a retard < 1300645274 117531 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 was correct. < 1300645486 613839 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mostly my point was that on his level, he can *even use wikipedia* < 1300645486 827779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-168-205.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300645491 836537 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300645537 139288 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, anything. < 1300645539 97168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Sgeo's level, again? < 1300645544 138867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a total noob < 1300646338 89128 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300646369 633797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well duh, but how much of a noob? < 1300646487 821870 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the standard kind of noob, can't really do anything unless it has to do with reals < 1300646502 212139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, some integration/arithmetics shit < 1300646528 877862 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A New Kind of Noob < 1300646547 392466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i mean someone who doesn't care about sets < 1300646564 710250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, reals. < 1300646569 292304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the bastards. < 1300646589 829189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like them when they are used in moderation < 1300646613 640030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls that x^x behaves quite weirdly if you go below 0, but he couldn't be bothered to actually wrestle with Mathematica enough to work out more. < 1300646626 363110 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly use them to metrize topologies < 1300646658 976298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who doesn't? < 1300646659 143529 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: google "The x^x spindle" < 1300646692 679088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AIN'T HAVIN' NONE OF YOUR WOLFRAM DEMONSTRATIONS < 1300646714 696749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica thinks 0^0 is undefined. < 1300646716 879786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indeterminate < 1300646719 437495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHILISTINES < 1300646781 609548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes graphing functions from R to C unnecessarily difficult. < 1300647147 188280 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I madea graph of y=x^x in my graphing calculator. I made it graph one line for the real and one for imaginary. < 1300647266 431415 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you get?? < 1300647279 435429 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1300647403 298331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the negative x, the real and imaginary line both are curved up and down (and they cross each other). On positive x, the imaginary is zero and the real goes slightly down and then curves upward. 0^0=1 and the line is proper there < 1300647426 406742 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what scale did you use? < 1300647468 349326 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmin=-2.5, xmax=2.5, xscl=.25, ymin=-2.5, ymax=2.5, yscl=.25, xres=2. < 1300647512 251291 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey can mathematica open this cdf stuff or do i really really need the "player"? < 1300647558 907937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, there's a new version of Mathematica out. < 1300647672 527913 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300648307 104685 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I partially made a documentation for TeX Chess. http://sprunge.us/NKBJ http://sprunge.us/Geaf < 1300648449 122377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good? < 1300648559 153499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The title page has the hacker emblem with chess. < 1300648854 140501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all the torrents are Windows-only. < 1300648917 838970 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300648938 576224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then don't use Mathematica. < 1300649068 611510 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300649442 884447 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300649623 989726 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300650174 794510 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then use... what? < 1300650381 537414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Khan Academy doesn't seem to have anything on abstract algebra. < 1300650416 515537 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it doesn't handle a lot of the actual interesting math out there < 1300650418 896952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if khan academy is the one i checked out, they don't really have anything < 1300650433 871412 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cover a lot of high school math and intro college math < 1300650465 764179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was confused by that given the recommendations for it. < 1300650492 223563 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's quite good for those things < 1300650496 999367 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely doesn't go into much depth < 1300650846 911164 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is simply *no room* on the internet for in-depth mathematics < 1300650870 677711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is not paper! < 1300651231 229748 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1300652324 234335 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Paper's cheap. < 1300652328 451379 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits are expensive. < 1300652329 173956 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300652403 534432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be wanting some bits then? That'll be a guinea for an ounce. < 1300652428 532154 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afraid I've only got that in pence. < 1300652588 768071 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300652642 625769 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pisya < 1300652650 321718 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;) < 1300652667 660112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferimulliga. < 1300652674 604089 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :) < 1300652677 211791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fansa etteta japinozua < 1300652680 554086 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1300652684 279160 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300652688 512004 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :```oo < 1300652690 737702 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :æthelred < 1300652691 585488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1300652694 973771 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1300652697 323656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1300652709 772368 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiirirrrioo iroo iiirrrroriooi < 1300652714 707671 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, esh kall < 1300652722 60160 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sho sehemell? < 1300652725 579143 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suka < 1300652727 794419 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^) < 1300652731 604240 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stetta :DD < 1300652735 73666 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUI HUI HUI < 1300652742 23111 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :han JAKEL! Xd < 1300652752 822039 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I`M RUSSIAN PIDARAS < 1300652759 985316 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1300652767 79947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm finnish zdedeflemek :DS < 1300652783 174894 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFUuuuu~~~ < 1300652790 362814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fuck that shit < 1300652811 55995 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PART :#esoteric < 1300652850 942210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :another day on #esoteric < 1300653023 823626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iGnoi: Your message won't work to anyone with their client set to UTF-8 < 1300653041 371189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could read it just fine < 1300653058 722234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Did you set your client to UTF-8 or something else? < 1300653064 286516 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1300653079 584525 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not UTF-8, because it will not display in UTF-8 mode. < 1300653092 43747 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was high quality white noise < 1300653103 161821 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as intended, i'm sure < 1300653159 890035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it just looks like one solid block which is very long < 1300653248 628704 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okei < 1300653249 966107 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*okay < 1300653254 762471 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was weird < 1300653256 189578 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1300653409 29257 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is the One True Solution < 1300654772 554504 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300654780 23631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1300654780 365366 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-77.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300654780 365379 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yah, at least. < 1300655215 724473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, someone tell me what the hell the mask in regionset does. < 1300655260 414834 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300656562 100327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if you can solve the following chess game (as the white (uppercase) player): 8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/qpprpK1P/1nkbn3 < 1300656578 149583 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1300656766 974030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i can tell you i *won't* solve it < 1300656773 251097 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1300656780 293658 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OK, then don't, is OK. < 1300656788 31215 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you unsolve it? < 1300656862 712279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's got to be a stalemate, surely? < 1300656863 384168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300656874 96570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it isn't. < 1300656896 22543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black's pawns are going rightwards, as usual? < 1300656908 244046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recognise the position, I may have seen it before < 1300656911 467579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't remember the solution < 1300656932 99322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought black pawns usually went downwards < 1300656951 208078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black pawns are going as usual (they are all stuck currently). < 1300656976 578833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, rightwards in the notation < 1300656982 56233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They go from rank 7 to rank 1, and white pawns go from rank 2 to rank 8. So, yes they do go downward. < 1300656990 173855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're stuck on pieces < 1300656995 936090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And yes they go rightwards in the notation (digits means blank spaces) < 1300657048 544966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recognise the notation, just forgot which was left and which was right < 1300657070 605043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now you know. < 1300657077 616636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : well i guess you had to be there. < 1300657081 229749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think. < 1300657205 503825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, oerjan mentioned he was a line researcher once... < 1300657208 339324 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1300657211 940281 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300657294 618905 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you think it can be stalemate? I think it is clearly win for white regardless of which player plays first. < 1300657295 942277 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think he was being colorful < 1300657314 230543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I misread it as having blank spaces in front of Black's pawns < 1300657330 692547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black is all blocked everywhere because they have too many things in the wrong place. < 1300657494 517520 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I do not think it can work if black plays first, because then black can promote and unblock everything. < 1300657512 981460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I could make it not log channel notices. < 1300657526 205325 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall from earlier clog doesn't log strange CTCP's :D < 1300657536 888585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE this < 1300657570 259400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do like that, but can't figur out how to send a response in my client < 1300657575 190537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*figure < 1300657581 291273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can't type the control-A < 1300657581 995830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it is inside of a message? < 1300657589 543168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for the control-A, I can copy-paste that < 1300657593 976924 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't have a /ctcp command? < 1300657599 321191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it doesn't send replies < 1300657608 931448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NOTICE #esoteric :like this yes I do like that < 1300657609 732110 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe /ctcpnotice? < 1300657626 409245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what clients or what commands the different ones have. < 1300657642 102759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm i didn't know there was a particular "reply" distinction? < 1300657651 417990 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my client apparently thinks so < 1300657653 130033 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NOTICE is for replies, PRIVMSG for requests. < 1300657656 280634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: CTCP replies are NOTICE-based, the CTCPs themselves are PRIVMSG based < 1300657662 187514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300657665 364064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/PRIVMSG based/PRIVMSG-based/ < 1300657700 567451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except bizarrely clog _did_ log your notice version < 1300657723 55242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A closure in Javascript is a black box. This makes sense most of the time - but not for the system designer." < 1300657728 117949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who sends CTCP replies to channel? < 1300657732 380603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's against the spec < 1300657735 627248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. never even considered that a clojure could be something other than a black box < 1300657738 895378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*closure < 1300657741 654306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sue me < 1300657744 87804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NOTICE #esoteric :PING 120 < 1300657746 972210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my client both requests and replies are sent by the actual CTRL+A key (although it can be configured to automatically send replies to some messages) < 1300657779 383056 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can send CTCP replies to channel manually I guess, but I do not know why. Generally automatic replies are never sent to the channel. < 1300657806 882385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I did it to make a stupid joke < 1300657810 369389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that's a good reason? < 1300657828 934010 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com NOTICE #esoteric :ACTION is this some reply command now that it says NOTICE? < 1300657850 195571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my client thought it was < 1300657875 88288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client just showed it literally < 1300657887 857793 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523> oerjan: who sends CTCP replies to channel? < 1300657892 211803 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to flood autopingers that way < 1300657899 506442 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody protects from ctcp replies < 1300657908 763653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :autopingers? < 1300657945 332557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot currently logs all of those, anyway... < 1300657972 7903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client does no special processing to replies, it just displays them. Special processing is applied to reply to requests, or to PONG to server PING. Therefore, it is immune to such attacks. < 1300658037 357981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scripts that respond to the word 'ping' and then ping you < 1300658040 885016 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then tell you your ping replie < 1300658050 123271 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say: just about the most useless scripts ever < 1300658062 33316 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly when people use them in a help channel and they match on *ping* < 1300658066 535255 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uhh.. yeah ;p < 1300658072 504836 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's other ways to turn them "off" < 1300658073 726230 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1300658086 136372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i guess they are not helping, then < 1300658097 66586 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should there be a CTRL+A SPECIAL command? < 1300658098 988544 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got real bad at one point < 1300658116 769955 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to tell someone how to use /ctcp ping only to get spammed by a bunch of noobscripts < 1300658130 766990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people don't use those sorts of scripts around here anyway < 1300658140 127472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the \o/ thing, but it's the only script of that nature I've seen < 1300658140 441995 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :              | < 1300658140 442066 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :             /| < 1300658144 461113 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway one time i went to the home channel for one of the full scripts that included an autopinger < 1300658151 959378 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ctcp reply flooded the channel < 1300658156 163413 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then giggled at all the excess floods < 1300658156 448761 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1300658173 662981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean people just turn on everything, even though they haven't checked what they do? < 1300658181 479704 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ais523 doesn't seem to have seen you < 1300658182 146302 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you really have to go to fnord either and try to make a huge difference between python and the second element is the symbol it. /misc/ _old/ fizban/ kern fnord fnord' < 1300658187 679643 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: glogbot provides a raw log, so at the moment every byte that goes in and out is logged, although e.g. strange CTCPs aren't baked. < 1300658203 242092 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I could make it exclude lines that matched certain parameters. < 1300658210 849542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I treat saying "fungot" (or "optbot", I suppose) as a deliberate attempt to trigger the bot < 1300658211 195437 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is he that unreachable? and equal? < 1300658215 277326 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "strange CTCP" is a strange one even for that :P < 1300658237 77502 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably shave < 1300658268 142944 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're assuming only smart people use irc < 1300658275 455527 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe freenode has distorted your perceptions < 1300658279 885054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: well, they have to find the servers somehow < 1300658288 990565 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the main thing is that the scripts are always written crappily < 1300658296 553173 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might flood protect the 'ping me' request < 1300658302 462821 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never the part that receives and responds to the reply < 1300658305 698558 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why we're all on Freenode, and particularly on #esoteric :P < 1300658308 378107 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sanity bastion. < 1300658323 406331 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no one sane could ever find us < 1300658346 748241 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanna know a cool trick on bahamut based servers? < 1300658363 820376 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope :P < 1300658367 617633 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok then < 1300658396 142913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Probably the raw logs should keep it although it might be very useful to remove some things from formatted logs, such as discarding all control characters from all messages (clog keeps some in, although it is bad in formatted logs, it is good in raw logs to keep control characters in). < 1300658405 121071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: What is trick? < 1300658412 864187 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor doesn't want to know < 1300658413 703936 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1300658417 777833 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1300658420 671483 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :privmsg @+#chan,@#chan,+#chan,#chan is the trick < 1300658426 500763 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so bad on dalnet < 1300658434 949900 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you realize that unreal is based on bahamut < 1300658438 514487 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has like 5 usermodes... < 1300658477 964583 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work on efnet_ < 1300658479 892389 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300658482 155749 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300658485 947752 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :efnet uses other ircd < 1300658486 977225 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1300658494 618148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do that, will it send messages to operators four times? < 1300658497 491330 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but efnet used to have some servers with a shitty @# message handling < 1300658503 638946 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it would send one message per op < 1300658511 924240 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1300658521 168131 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the servers send to "status symbol and higher" < 1300658523 525032 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be 4 times < 1300658533 132355 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes (like dalnet) they only send to explicit m atches < 1300658537 649854 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 3 for ops, 3 for voices, 1 for regs < 1300658560 763484 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reported it to quension in #bahamut years ago but nothing ever got done < 1300658566 837731 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did eventually fix some other problems i reported though < 1300658583 490212 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to keep it on the "down low" because i haven't seen anyone flood that way but me :P < 1300658599 774509 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is super effective though < 1300658645 259679 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another: < 1300658652 402384 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join 0,#channels,#to,#flood < 1300658668 831984 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 5, followed by disconnect -> 10 messages to multiple channels for cheap < 1300658700 489345 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300658708 6169 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my all time favorite < 1300658713 193627 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just whois your target, they are often on like 10 chans < 1300658723 267559 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus joins bypass local +i < 1300658740 585372 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally all the clones will have already joined by the time anything reacts, so you can't really stop it < 1300658754 397628 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300658771 850205 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and dccallow? < 1300658774 520513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^ this is why all those VPSes ban IRC, I suspect < 1300658779 618430 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't drop you from the list when you change nicks < 1300658787 679860 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I'm getting it :P < 1300658787 994326 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but watch does < 1300658795 449003 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use them together = track nick changes without sharing a channel < 1300658800 646982 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they finally fixed that one < 1300658833 209766 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might still apply on derivatives that haven't upgraded though < 1300658868 651492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why that sort of nonsense is so rare on Freenode? idiots not finding the server? or idiots deciding it's no fun? < 1300658952 173532 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just directive. Idiots join IRC just to chat and be idiots together. Then they become vicious when they get tired of being merely stupid. < 1300658973 958419 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who join IRC just to chat don't join Freenode. < 1300659013 697472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric being an exception? or do people join here hoping it's going to spend most of its time ontopic, then decide to stay? < 1300659050 623866 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300659056 683194 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the dalnet days of yore < 1300659067 133000 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears that the packet/flood kiddies come along with warez and stuff < 1300659073 885193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm all for ontopic talk in #esoteric, but seem to be outnumbered < 1300659075 924112 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd get competing channels that attack each other < 1300659101 560669 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in general just wind up attracting the sort of people who were into trying to keep botnets and whatnot < 1300659104 572812 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i suggest a small FORTE program to increase your number < 1300659127 370993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, FORTE oneliners are impossible to write, because it's impossible to put a loop in one < 1300659135 909669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a two-liner could be done, but I'm not sure I could write one in a hurry < 1300659145 957248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have no against ontopic talks, although you can do many things discussed in here, ontopic should generally take priority. < 1300659169 861364 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly just learned about flooding and stuff to learn < 1300659172 518667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you're correct < 1300659177 710073 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to write an excellent channel protection bot ;) < 1300659183 495374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protection from idiots? < 1300659194 753053 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my test bed was #0!!!!!!!!!!!!!preteen101 < 1300659208 858768 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't think anyone will hate on me for it ;p < 1300659218 217011 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no against untopic either, but i also have yes against offtopic. i like to have ontopic talks, but if you want to have offtopic talks, that is OK. < 1300659219 888628 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of times i reduced that channel to like 2 users... man... < 1300659223 811695 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ontopic < 1300659234 70430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nobody can do zzo38ese quite as well as zzo38 < 1300659243 112412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that was still quite good < 1300659244 343607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't try *that* hard < 1300659255 469067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: people actually joined it? < 1300659264 118025 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it usually had > 100 people < 1300659270 782770 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 3 - 4 ops < 1300659272 317794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I didn't realise channel names /could/ start with a digit) < 1300659273 414844 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they all had failscripts < 1300659280 862563 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't it starts with a # < 1300659282 137877 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300659296 608144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reduction to 2 users was just because you could? or because the other 98 were all idiots? < 1300659301 230245 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that channel is empty < 1300659306 472191 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was a kiddie porn channel < 1300659308 743047 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general i wasn't a douche to people who didn't deserve it < 1300659310 933172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's all the <13 girls < 1300659329 386065 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was learning about IRC and flooding, and i took that knowledge and applied it to better things < 1300659334 260002 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300659355 339240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just have reported it to the police? < 1300659358 566856 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did pull a few stunts for the lulz though < 1300659366 312441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would likely have worked better < 1300659367 807625 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like the ping reply thing above) < 1300659381 370028 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello, police? there are people on the internet trading pictures..." < 1300659381 785679 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with a good flood, if all the participants are okay with it ofc, you have to have a safe word for these things < 1300659387 627668 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1300659395 535822 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were many channels like that on dalnet < 1300659404 656400 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't expect the police were likely to be able to do anything about it < 1300659416 395178 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such people connect through proxies and whatnot < 1300659433 72544 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300659483 793981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a kid though, i found it more fun to harass them than report them. i guess i figured that if "just reporting it" would have done anything it wouldn't exist < 1300659496 423833 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days i'd look at it rather differently < 1300659506 162820 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you care < 1300659540 654803 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about pedos sharing pics? < 1300659544 879854 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300659559 166415 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't i? < 1300659568 485278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like an essentially victimless crime < 1300659577 476214 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody makes the things < 1300659601 601779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sharing pics somehow moves money in their direction? < 1300659602 656281 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i can't really see a reason to disallow it if it didn't encourage more of the same < 1300659618 292716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the standard antipiracy arguments applky < 1300659620 349606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*apply < 1300659620 692564 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i find it distasteful personally < 1300659627 601453 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-84.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300659632 221637 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as far as i can tell, it's like warez and other things < 1300659638 874877 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where people do it for props < 1300659639 970297 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not m oney < 1300659641 909387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually, I think the standard /propiracy/ arguments apply: it's illegal because pirating it encourages people to find legitimate sources < 1300659648 42325 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the argument of "sharing Sting songs makes people buy more Sting albums"? :DDDDD < 1300659664 47814 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there's an audience, there's more inclination to provide for that audience < 1300659666 320564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps that's true, yes < 1300659667 431138 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1300659671 77879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I never noticed the huge inconsistency there before < 1300659692 884163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues being excessively lawful good anyway < 1300659694 370291 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, while i can't exactly say that everyone who looks at such pictures is a pedo < 1300659703 682615 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely that active pedos look at such pictures < 1300659716 189575 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's good if they live in fear of getting 'caught' < 1300659717 266602 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1300659741 670011 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just say "oh, well, the pics already exist so have fun if you want" < 1300659806 13759 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back in time and abuses 13 year old myndzi < 1300659806 364760 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back in time and abuses 13 year old cheater00 < 1300659815 666590 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1300659832 450587 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAUSAL LOOP < 1300659839 163275 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop de loo < 1300659843 750757 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIVERSE COLLAPSING < 1300659852 618965 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back in time and divides by zero < 1300659991 669777 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, i put a burrito in the microwave on defrost and it burst < 1300659992 416248 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1300660021 860966 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300660028 672649 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf happened to this channel >_> < 1300660031 500693 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :had this happen to a fruit mousse < 1300660042 415032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: quick, bring it back on topic < 1300660044 733061 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 NICK :uorygl < 1300660047 764488 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like berries and stuff.. the inside looked like a bloody mess < 1300660066 47681 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went from ctcps to irc stuff to flooding to flooding pedo channels to pedos < 1300660067 470678 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I SHALL DEFEAT SLOWPOKE < 1300660073 50376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : wtf happened to this channel >_> | it was like berries and stuff.. the inside looked like a bloody mess < 1300660095 964473 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hi? < 1300660117 708116 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like some kind of carnage happened to the channel < 1300660123 23194 :uorygl!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 NICK :tswett < 1300660128 813017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: go for it < 1300660137 462956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine FFSPG could be trivially tweaked to beat it < 1300660139 176415 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: when you loop de loop do you shoop da woop? < 1300660140 248436 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know any esoteric languages, just some somewhat esoteric irc things haha < 1300660141 349063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I didn't realise how really close that match was < 1300660151 617790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: this is a good place to learn < 1300660166 884164 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good place to forget < 1300660198 721695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is so good at it that he forgets to come here < 1300660199 71718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you have a good name for it < 1300660211 284690 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another 'esoteric' dalnet tidbit: < 1300660232 662919 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chanserv doesn't break its UNBAN mode settings to < 512 bytes < 1300660252 834435 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you set bans that are long enough, you can use /cs unban to make chanserv send a mode string that gets truncated < 1300660271 803542 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it removes the modes it sent from its internal list, but the last one(s) that got cut off don't get removed from the channel < 1300660287 619599 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a better desynch at one point that let you make chanserv think a whole channel didn't exist when it did < 1300660296 518298 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that one is fixed currently :PY < 1300660298 313875 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Y < 1300660337 291303 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homework: write a script that creates five bans that are as long as possible and can all be set ;) < 1300660366 678838 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if an existing ban covers the one you try to set it won't set, of course) < 1300660410 818508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if it's possible to use a domain more than 510 characters long, and end up impossible to ban by domain as a result? < 1300660420 255005 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1300660424 104489 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are limits < 1300660436 570581 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reverts to the ip if the host is too long < 1300660540 503150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't think even the guy with a whole Befunge program in their hostname would exceed that limit < 1300660607 664856 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a malbolge program. < 1300660625 10883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody likes writing those < 1300660975 39762 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :contrapumpkin < 1300661225 769052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrapumpkin: along the lines of covariant/contravariant? < 1300661231 972234 :contrapumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1300661239 253210 :contrapumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, co isn't necessarily covariant < 1300661244 361978 :contrapumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but contra is contravariant < 1300661347 150264 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-ntravariant :P < 1300661369 524384 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300661403 779052 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is drinking co-ffee < 1300661567 780927 :contrapumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1300661680 541586 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300662289 66535 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-77.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300662302 456863 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-159.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300662329 696799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what? ← graph theory. < 1300662442 362975 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300662525 640299 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300662676 592940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1300662678 347194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300663446 804417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I finished TeX Chess document then maybe I should post version 0.1 on Chess Variants and on CTAN? < 1300664088 59588 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-243.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300664110 942346 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-159.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300665342 967773 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection