< 1301356811 780674 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://c-faq.com/aryptr/non0based.html < 1301356824 774345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's for arrays < 1301356827 90941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301356829 992322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer arithmetic < 1301356830 946845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1301357776 938263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c extern void (*test)(int); test(3, 42); < 1301357780 817038 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1301357786 750265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void (*test)(int); test(3, 42); < 1301357788 192203 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1301357794 994607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1301357800 142961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: PLEASE MAKE THAT PRINT THE DIAGNOSTICS < 1301357885 313647 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it has two arguments and you declare just one? < 1301357939 263189 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void (*test)(int); test(3); < 1301357941 803907 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 21422 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1301357968 453187 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would appear to have something to do with it, then < 1301357990 754977 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void (*test)(); test(3, 42); < 1301357992 921487 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 21527 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1301357997 938184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : um it has two arguments and you declare just one? < 1301357999 248971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point < 1301358012 258073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want something that is known to require one argument, but might require more < 1301358015 205642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you can't do that < 1301358024 414481 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so < 1301358203 653105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c-faq.com/varargs/index.html might help? < 1301358246 220043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for variadic functions < 1301358248 798726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about function pointers < 1301358251 816484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK you can't do < 1301358255 77818 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301358256 941700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void (*test)(int, ...); test(3, 42); < 1301358257 858218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least < 1301358258 992515 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 21892 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1301358260 570987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have different semantics < 1301358266 462069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(variadic functions can be implemented however, pretty much) < 1301358282 406018 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it did compile... < 1301358299 73084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but test(3, 42) could be the same as test(3, MAGIC)))42{{ < 1301358304 355114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, AFAIK there's no guarantee that < 1301358305 590140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(1,2,3) < 1301358306 377072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1301358307 362758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g(1,2,3) < 1301358313 963997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are called in "the same way" if one is variadic and the other is not < 1301358321 983441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301358452 193876 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but doesn't that just mean that test must be a pointer that was declared in the same way? < 1301358461 84998 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to a function < 1301358464 613086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. which is ugly. < 1301358537 689718 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey people! < 1301358542 907063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1301358548 76382 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how goes the libc.so auction? < 1301358550 224089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey variables! < 1301358550 486603 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello elliott < 1301358559 313232 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: It's barely started < 1301358573 594690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's scoping! < 1301358581 167929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dynamic! < 1301358590 100551 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *ouch* < 1301358595 339701 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm supposed to say that.... < 1301358602 9786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, McCarthy did it < 1301358657 601872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well supposedly it has its uses < 1301358669 156124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: e.g. standard output handle < 1301358681 78916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like a global stack < 1301358692 982916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let ((*standard-output* ...)) (function-which-prints)) < 1301358693 898814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall someone worked out how they should interact with delimited continuations < 1301358715 88396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp, Racket and many Schemes all have dynamic vars < 1301358716 594285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :under various names < 1301358726 770759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor also has dynamic vars! < 1301358729 212426 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well even haskell does < 1301358777 806097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm you mean the ?foo things < 1301358778 457600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1301358783 589607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I guess so < 1301358785 164050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things? < 1301358790 430028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301358796 287743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but lisp before 1.5 was always dynamic :) < 1301358809 5281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1301358812 960103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when this first came up, one of the developers responded that the behaviour must be a bug and they'll get fixing it quickly < 1301358824 30989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they realised the scoping was broken :D < 1301358861 64546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :took them a while, i take < 1301358867 615066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, even 1.5 was dynamic < 1301358873 566186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it had closures with FUNARG < 1301358880 510361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could define lexically-scoped functions < 1301358884 253553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp 1.5 was a mess btw :D < 1301358893 379459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1301358894 280348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a language with DynamicScoping, a DynamicClosure is a function which will be evaluated in the dynamic environment it was created in rather than the one it is called from." < 1301358896 157419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not even lexical! < 1301358900 844055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close < 1301358922 150322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2? < 1301358928 497930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got me < 1301358946 549325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also reminded me of the fun fact that lisp 1.5 toplevel was evalquote < 1301358950 281692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :car ((a b)) => a < 1301358952 361455 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WikiLinks sort of gave it away < 1301358962 155337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, no outer parens) < 1301358967 568420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it could have been meatball! < 1301358970 934338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or text-editors! < 1301358976 998169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all three other OldStyleWikis < 1301358986 242801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1301359054 231776 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301359077 1691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301359187 618099 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301359196 227169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301359245 103393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1301359248 973901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your eye < 1301359257 359708 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eye? < 1301359263 657769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ais that has the eye < 1301359265 488055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has no eyes < 1301359267 669527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1301359280 760403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OldStyleWikis that aren't c2 exist? < 1301359282 406340 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's reasonably ok at the time, i guess < 1301359284 808495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1301359299 34466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i had a dream that you came back here some time last week < 1301359305 352025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm just here to talk to oerjan :) < 1301359311 922598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ##c failed at answering my question < 1301359315 342544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then oerjan fumbled in an attempt to answer < 1301359317 112918 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan answers in pm < 1301359323 477276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, but oerjan knows nothing about c < 1301359326 440430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why would i ask him that question < 1301359331 71670 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION subtly puts a noose around elliott's foot < 1301359350 199767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care why you're back, all i know is my dreams have come true < 1301359351 874294 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE GOING NOWHERE < 1301359352 137868 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301359368 539800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have a master's degree, yays for me < 1301359382 282197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you're stupid < 1301359384 207800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even oerjan has a phd < 1301359388 195279 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301359391 689103 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1301359397 613384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and HE'S borderline retarded < 1301359409 713595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i hate all fags. and all non-fags. < 1301359411 957068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAXIMUM OFFENCE ACHIEVED < 1301359442 99709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well these things take time when you're as slow as me < 1301359455 244050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate anyone who's ever had a wrong thought < 1301359462 262715 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong how < 1301359486 962581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incorrect, immoral, take your pic < 1301359488 462031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick < 1301359516 533703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :immortal < 1301359524 24805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had both of those < 1301359557 16162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to have an immortal thought < 1301359594 841030 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is the question - curious? < 1301359615 873710 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious is not a question < 1301359621 36304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: If p is a pointer, is p[-1] defined equivalent to *(p-1)? I know array[-1] is undefined. < 1301359636 753365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that array[n] is only defined for 0 <= n < array length < 1301359642 740134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is because (array+n) is < 1301359650 986530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe <= on the last one there) < 1301359659 996344 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd guess yes - but I don't have a copy of the standard to check < 1301359666 562690 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this computer < 1301359686 561534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately my situation is not adequately described by that question unlike what i first thought :) < 1301359731 524478 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : (maybe <= on the last one there) --> no < 1301359753 72278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "if (array_pointer < array + array_size)" is invalid/UB :D < 1301359768 135792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need "if (array_pointer <= array + (array_size - 1))" < 1301359911 8503 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates when gcc fails to build < 1301360026 78047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when gcc builds, because it's a precursor to having to use gcc < 1301360264 899367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: um yes < 1301360276 966318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1301360294 215773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, that's for (array+n) < 1301360540 635772 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh - I prefer using clang - but I'm doing some benchmarking now < 1301360582 958465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: unfortunately clang is C++ :) < 1301360638 182667 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no problems with C++ < 1301360647 136761 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: so is gcc < 1301360650 76717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: From a language POV or a programs-use-it POV? < 1301360655 131916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, gcc as of 4.6.0 does not have any C++ yet. < 1301360667 884329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least as of 4.5.2, I haven't checked 4.6.0 specifically. < 1301360683 294303 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do know that gcc core@ approved the use of C++ in the program though < 1301360689 30937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it hasn't happened yet. < 1301360707 148993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: From a language POV, C++ is absolutely insane and would be best forgotten. From a programs-use-it POV, some alternative libcs do not support it. < 1301360709 228683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case in point: musl. < 1301360715 14104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yet.) < 1301360716 63724 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :to answer the first question: I would not be against using g++ to get "c with classes" or related types of functionality. To be honest: I'd love to see people use "C++ subset" instead of C < 1301360725 354937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl is looking into working with LLVM's libc++ though. < 1301360737 800637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: have you ever read the C++ FQA? < 1301360743 268319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea of a C plus a class is not inherently bad. < 1301360753 179253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the subset of C++ that is just (not) C plus a class is bad. < 1301360760 484778 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :C as a language is just too bloated, but many of the ideas are decent < 1301360760 684455 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes I've read the C++ FAQ, the C++ Standard, and the TRs for C++ < 1301360765 612176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((not) C because C++ is NOT compatible with C99.) < 1301360767 962044 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* C++ < 1301360772 670529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say FAQ. < 1301360774 761309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said FQA. < 1301360804 378179 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ --> a while ago < 1301360809 977292 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgot about it < 1301360837 664449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good summary of why even the basic features of C++ are broken. < 1301360841 717836 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, I know C99 and C++ are not compatible (neither way C89) < 1301360868 930493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I would prefer people not use C++ or C at all, but if I had to choose I'd choose C. < 1301360896 576025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do "objects" in C (come on, you have structs and functions), and encapsulation of those objects. (Inheritance is a pain, but inheritance is evil anyway.) < 1301360911 590014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is not a convenient language, but C is not at a convenient level. < 1301360931 725112 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes - but it exposes the implementation of those objects and encapsulation; you could just use the already done version of those with C++ < 1301360932 533831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++-as-C-with-classes removes C's advantage, i.e. being low-level, and adds a bad version of objects on top. < 1301360943 682841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ in full is plain insane. < 1301360948 846818 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would (and generally do) choose C with classes (in C++) when I write code that needs the low-level code. < 1301360957 332381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Exposes the implementation of encapsulation? < 1301360962 668116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, try and violate the encapsulation of FILE. < 1301360978 517101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: you can't because it's "typedef struct ... FILE;" < 1301360980 98320 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301360981 629768 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what I meant by that is that: there is no reason to implement that in C when you have a C++ < 1301360982 294181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ exposes implementation unless you take pains to tell it not to < 1301360982 556626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ... is a name. < 1301360988 361626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: But you do NOT have that in C. < 1301360994 270193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not saying - implement an object system in C. < 1301361000 161432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am saying C already has the tools to solve the problems. < 1301361002 773326 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah - I thought you were < 1301361017 421561 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tbh: I'd love to design my own low level C like language < 1301361018 469669 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1301361033 505451 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is starting to get into religious wars < 1301361040 187714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own.. personal.. C like language... < 1301361042 450755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., 90% of the time in a design a struct (almost certainly containing other structs) and some functions serves perfectly well. < 1301361057 493002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other 10% of the time you can still work something out (see: the fact that large systems are written in C). < 1301361063 252761 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm aware < 1301361074 862533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C isn't a language without flaws, in fact it sucks quite fatally. But I'd still rather people use it than C++... < 1301361090 188494 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to continue further - I'm aware of issues and I don't think this conversation will do much  < 1301361099 276206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. < 1301361107 949903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not arguing with you, however. < 1301361115 893799 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: alright < 1301361137 407658 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry - I just had a *really* bad day < 1301361161 138160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, :( < 1301361181 247295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sorry :) < 1301361196 271587 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is not you < 1301361202 559097 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no need to be sorry :-) < 1301361223 90882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use structures that have function pointers < 1301361243 168340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that is only useful when there is a need < 1301361267 793364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: honestly though, it's a bit of a pointless argument in the first place as I'd rather nobody coded in C at all :) < 1301361295 42986 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well - for über low level things I don't mind C (its basically assembler macros) but in general I agree with you < 1301361308 268010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I wish C semantics were as simple as assembler macros :) < 1301361316 863518 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has their anti-language :-) < 1301361317 62993 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever thing you can do by object oriented, you can do some things without object oriented, by using structures, unions, function pointers, preprocessor macros, and so on. < 1301361321 841798 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mine is perl) < 1301361334 515562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO everything (including drivers) should be in trusted code. I want to say "managed" code, but hate to imply a VM. < 1301361346 715174 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can do anything you can do in python in Assembly; question is is it worth it < 1301361360 39116 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would it be, but one assembler is only for one computer. C is for the same program all computer. < 1301361382 319237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure's argument is that you don't need all of the benefits of objects at once. You should be able to pick and choose. < 1301361387 891374 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would be interested in seeing some sandbox that only lets people do input & output and nothing else. < 1301361391 914486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Err, yes, and? < 1301361404 325684 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the rest could be formally verified code with a small footprint < 1301361407 152769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Err, everything is input and output. < 1301361424 136757 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because, that is why I program in C. The purpose of C is so that you can write one program on other computers too. < 1301361425 976598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm talking e.g. a system based on capabilities < 1301361437 239659 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah: pretty much :- < 1301361438 899845 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1301361440 918972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: such that it would be possible to run all code in ring 0 :) < 1301361448 396866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eliminating the (large) overhead of syscalls) < 1301361453 244794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uh, and the concept of syscalls...) < 1301361466 833516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can do that in any language that isn't assembly. < 1301361498 32494 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zzo38: completely unrelated, I asked this in here a while ago but only Gregor anwered < 1301361501 459765 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm: < 1301361521 725321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's a self-hosted compiler, the non-self-hosted version from the past lost to time, and not ported to the target architecture < 1301361523 939930 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever written a feature complete, non-trivial, bug-free, program that other people use? < 1301361552 883869 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you too < 1301361554 582588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Answering that question required omniscience. < 1301361557 193296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to answer "bug-free") < 1301361561 259472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo wrote PSOX. :-P < 1301361576 808642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not feature complete, trivial, has bugs, and nobody uses it! ;D < 1301361578 833082 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I don't know. I did write some programs for specific customers. < 1301361586 405620 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by bug-free I mean: no known bugs with reasonable testing < 1301361588 33448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the last time I wrote a non-trivial program on my own was PSOX. Or maybe Evolution. But Evolution wasn't on my own. And PSOX, while intended to be used by others... what elliott said < 1301361595 534609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, trivial? < 1301361596 789259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1301361603 594073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take offense to that! < 1301361604 677832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: That's VERY hard to define. < 1301361623 101604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, I don't think the current mcmap revision, which I've contributed a non-trivial amount of code to, has any KNOWN bugs, but I am almost certain it contains bugs. < 1301361624 281107 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: define it as you will, I'm sure you get the intent of the question < 1301361628 622570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last committed version of PSOX has a syntax error. I don't know why. < 1301361636 769538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Feature complete" is basically impossible to define too, every program can have more features :P < 1301361663 880737 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by "feature complete" I mean: that which you have no interest in adding more features too and/or has accomplished its states goals < 1301361676 564310 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :again: I'm sure you get the intent of the question < 1301361694 242963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume the intent is to demonstrate that basically no such programs exist. < 1301361703 63432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from those that are old and used extensively in industry. < 1301361707 754737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, 70s old.) < 1301361709 423799 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I could answer yes to two programs I've written. Other than thay they are either not bug-free or not feature complete < 1301361716 393642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whose needs never change. < 1301361740 61082 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard might be good, if, later I could also make it so that external programs are not required anymore. But it is not quite complete I am sure it has bugs too probably < 1301361742 206306 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the intent of my question is something along the lines of "have you ever finished or completed a program?" < 1301361748 887788 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Which two programs? < 1301361752 810569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: You don't finish programs. < 1301361766 396632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: A finished program is a program that nobody uses any more. < 1301361777 172237 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one was a program to manage users and such for Google Apps < 1301361800 701465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so PSOX is finished! < 1301361812 862227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much doubt that program has no bugs. < 1301361824 247575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Anyway, I wrote an implementation of cat once or twice. < 1301361829 759403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is feature-complete, bug-free. < 1301361884 393817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my programs, it even says so, in the program, that it can certainly be improved. < 1301361905 432756 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was written for a contract with specific features in mind and it completed all those tasks without any bugs (after a year of testing) < 1301361914 82071 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*without any known bugs < 1301361918 501193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: What language? < 1301361923 10255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is relevant.) < 1301361947 854556 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: python. I do NOT count language implementation bugs as relevant here (just as I don't count faulty hardware as bugs) < 1301361953 785695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: The program has bugs. < 1301361982 626139 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain? < 1301361998 737820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, variable could secretly be God. < 1301362002 312584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for one Python allows any value to be None, which is obviously extremely dangerous < 1301362015 418314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dangerous. < 1301362025 875113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be very surprised if it didn't have bugs even going by that alone. < 1301362026 226447 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've got to run right now. < 1301362033 599919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired of my trolling? :) < 1301362042 419489 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually: important phone call < 1301362045 185743 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close ;-p < 1301362053 850446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate telephones. < 1301362091 311833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why? < 1301362097 37325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're annoying :) < 1301362166 343232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is very simple making telephone, just the switch, microphone, speaker. Now you can call anyone, receive telephone call, and even call waiting can work (however, I do not like to subscribe to call waiting). < 1301362178 574840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares how simple it is to make? < 1301362219 889036 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make a telephone like that? < 1301362223 73190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1301362231 129426 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then do so. < 1301362256 220931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you don't like it, you can disconnect it. < 1301362287 905159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) No. I don't want to. (2) I already know I wouldn't like it, so why bother? < 1301362299 95875 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who has not yet contributed to the libc.so fund: There is still time! As those who do not contribute will be required to enter the Evisceration Chamber within 48 hours of the end of the auction, those who have not yet donated are highly advised to consider it! < 1301362316 446209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a Evisceration Chamber? < 1301362335 133799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A chamber where you will be eviscerated. < 1301362335 395697 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly what it sounds like. < 1301362378 973925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think I can send the money anyways. Even if I did want to use that service. And I do not need that service. < 1301362415 422279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Donate the money. < 1301362423 743005 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To where? < 1301362426 43750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor. < 1301362432 221553 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is Gregor? < 1301362439 482101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purdue. < 1301362452 159835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I don't live there. < 1301362458 467545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean you can't send money there. < 1301362468 297646 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is quite the conversation. < 1301362478 924956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 would need to make his own money transfer service first. < 1301362496 498549 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1301362502 493855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how much money it costs. < 1301362568 746824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It does not cost any money, you just give him some amount to use to buy libc.so. < 1301362572 755809 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301362573 994311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be as much as you can afford. < 1301362578 278949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or as little as one cent. < 1301362598 199624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I decide what amount if I don't know how much it costs? < 1301362611 109472 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301362611 371491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Gregor doesn't know. It's an auction < 1301362633 845584 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to donate much to avoid the Evisceration Chamber. < 1301362655 326095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Just decide to give as much as you think Gregor deserves to help him buy libc.so in the auction. < 1301362662 790957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this could be 1 cent or it could be more money if you want. < 1301362757 824492 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES. WE HAVE THEM. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D , http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Everyone who has not yet contributed to the libc.so fund: There is still time! As those who do not contribute will be required to enter the Evisceration Chamber within 48 hours of the end of the auction, those who have not yet donated are highly advised to < 1301362758 216896 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : consider it! < 1301362759 624238 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1301362761 290018 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faillol < 1301362788 919138 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES. WE HAVE THEM. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D , http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Gregor's libc.so fund: As those who do not contribute will be required to enter the Evisceration Chamber within 48 hours of the end of the auction, those who have not yet donated are < 1301362792 714916 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301362797 664424 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :faillol, the new homeopathic drug that is all the rage < 1301362890 2585 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES. WE HAVE THEM. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D , http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Gregor's libc.so fund: Those who don't contribute will be forced into Evisceration Chamber. If you haven't donated, you are highly advised to consider it! < 1301362994 81063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: more like HOMOSEXUAL < 1301363001 486079 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homosexulol < 1301363033 586104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the possible to pay someone for a card, send it to someone in any way (including morse code or telephone), and then they can withdraw it on the other side in the same way? < 1301363035 895267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply rectally < 1301363112 853234 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi < 1301363148 685039 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Adding to my question) That is, without any accounts needed for anything? < 1301363190 13040 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"international money order" rings a bell < 1301363216 574500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is this how you plan to pay Gregor? < 1301363275 661399 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just mean in general. I might not pay Gregor. < 1301363284 506775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But you will be eviscerated! < 1301363398 563100 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe that. If the libc.so service interests me I will make such a payment. But right now it doesn't. < 1301363440 38184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Perhaps we should have a pre-emptive funeral for zzo38. < 1301363448 785362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor, poor zzo38. < 1301363469 412050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to funeral for if I am dead. The funeral will cost too much. < 1301363472 948666 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to/no/ < 1301363484 717309 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want anyone to make funeral for when I am dead, please. < 1301363516 975277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Our funerals cost nothing. < 1301363540 651433 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They might involve evisceration) < 1301363603 582697 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want no funeral for me. < 1301363639 413063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have no choice. < 1301363644 576187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evisceratory funerals are mandatory. < 1301363676 997053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happiness is mandatory. So an evisceratory funeral must be happy! < 1301363687 939263 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celebrate the evisceration of zzo38! < 1301363749 118071 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. < 1301363808 130216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad, I made sure the auction cannot end. < 1301363812 482478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1301363841 227174 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not permitted for you to know. < 1301363848 487966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand to know. < 1301363874 993427 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not matter if you demand, it is still not permitted. < 1301363948 779779 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: isn't it more like fluidity, really? < 1301363970 53843 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a quote from some random esotericist that came in here :P < 1301363975 757119 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to establish it as our creed. < 1301363976 935457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1301364013 694621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are not cleared for this information. please report for evisceration. < 1301364035 20433 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And/or donation to the libc.so fund) < 1301364145 67686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Relevant: I updated the main page. < 1301364161 879205 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES. WE HAVE THEM. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D , http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Gregor's libc.so fund: Those who don't contribute will be forced into the Evisceration Chamber. If you haven't donated, you are highly advised to consider it! < 1301364175 272891 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1301364186 191766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. Have a nice day! < 1301364681 568877 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one idea for electronic payment which I do not know if anything like this implemented. You go to the bank and pay them any amount of cash (no bank account is needed), and then will give you a card containing a SSH public key. You can use this to issue three commands "inquiry", "split", or "convert"; or you can go to a different bank and give then the card and they will give you your money back (no accounts needed, no questions needed). < 1301364717 713616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PUBLIC key? < 1301364720 227957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean a private key? < 1301364764 879859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1301364819 968 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have made a mistake. But I think in public/private key cryptograpy, some schemes just have two keys, and either one can be used for access of the other. < 1301364839 687783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually private keys are a lot bigger. < 1301364918 557213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a private key is probably what is needed. I think I made a mistake. < 1301364941 380957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1301364970 325214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it does not necessarily have to be a public/private key system. 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:oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is a subset, that's good enough for me < 1301370535 610369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the great John Dvorak" giving up reading this post now < 1301370559 834999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the G isn't capitalized < 1301371343 166336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan i have a nice game for you to play < 1301371343 582012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foddy.net/GIRP.html < 1301371657 20565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.6m yes!!! < 1301371730 27686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.8!!!! < 1301371733 170842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan how well did you do ;D < 1301372655 125407 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301372876 947526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was taking a walk, actually < 1301373057 736595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Excuses! < 1301373060 29176 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in our lovely march spring snow < 1301373124 579864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is this shit < 1301373541 497721 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i managed to activate the windows slow keys dialog, i take this as my clue to give up < 1301373549 554855 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gue < 1301374470 355643 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301374566 218307 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301376091 337690 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301378936 535657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301382093 55052 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301382308 461830 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301383006 45523 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231188.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301383066 732584 :cheater00!~cheater@g224201071.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301383295 35939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301383424 870470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:32:04: wtf is this shit < 1301383425 426949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:39:01: ok i managed to activate the windows slow keys dialog, i take this as my clue to give up < 1301383425 627705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:39:09: *gue < 1301383427 144356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301383431 714561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far did you get < 1301383440 760037 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very far < 1301383723 388815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i presume you've tried the classic QWOP then < 1301383727 327665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same guy) < 1301383760 627879 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall. i am not much of a player of games, other than puzzle games < 1301383773 967995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foddy.net/Athletics.html it's not a game, it's a torture program < 1301383822 464629 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, then i don't have to look at it < 1301383846 94731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said the torture was optional < 1301383878 355987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it even has a wp article :D < 1301383950 9310 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In QWOP I did run (...well, "run") the hundred metres, but in GIRP I barely managed two metres. < 1301384068 827203 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof: http://zem.fi/~fis/runner.png http://zem.fi/~fis/runner2.png http://zem.fi/~fis/runner3.png http://zem.fi/~fis/runner4.png http://zem.fi/~fis/runner5.png < 1301384126 527631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's the Cheating Method. < 1301384143 436519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe correct method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJeJtK7Q2kk < 1301384165 17739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to 10 m in GIRRRRRP < 1301384291 781745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: With GIRP the trick is to press shift at clever times. < 1301384352 899392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which incidentally is precisely how you activate slow keys in windows. approximately. < 1301384377 405736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301384386 206776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't you mean < 1301384386 407339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STICKYKEYS < 1301384395 656802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's the norwegian name < 1301384401 753066 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, i'm backtranslating here < 1301384439 425859 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i think there are two different settings one might accidentally trigger this way < 1301384455 107565 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one by holding a key too long, the other by pushing it too many times < 1301384466 811594 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not quite sure which one i did < 1301384490 370516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well QWOP has no use of the shift key at all! < 1301384546 727006 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really not very fond of games that depend on dexterity and timing. especially since i developed rsi-like symptoms. < 1301384661 709621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that + unpredictable feedback < 1301384966 891259 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301385141 12587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise the game is not meant to be _enjoyable_ :D < 1301385152 905073 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1301385174 222485 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiously, i'm not very fond of games that are not enjoyable, either < 1301385183 207307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1301385187 224113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best game is irc < 1301385190 817403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite possibilities < 1301385212 733458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the ai is pretty good < 1301385223 780503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1301385230 430847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only has one personality < 1301385230 694212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fag < 1301385233 899955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1301385246 638992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was entitled: < 1301385249 159590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joys of solipsism < 1301385342 644621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dryness of water < 1301385481 32096 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unbearable lightness of lead < 1301385508 886080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chocolate of merchantability < 1301385520 629576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pindrop of castrated bongos < 1301385536 385341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you slipped out of the theme there < 1301385551 789911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom slipped out of the theme there. < 1301385561 478853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that lines up < 1301385564 155474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my proportional font < 1301385564 947872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301385577 279833 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you proportional fiend! < 1301385591 484827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only in proportion!! HAHAHAHAHA < 1301385608 140852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...o kay < 1301385616 181894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs away carefully < 1301385635 564335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHA < 1301386717 254154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where is : the moon? < 1301386747 636090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...still insane, i take < 1301386781 351306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THE MOON < 1301386786 923577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would....... withhold the moon < 1301386926 590210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :| < 1301386961 692261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ashamed in oerjan. < 1301386969 620865 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how lunatic of you < 1301387001 72384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the moon ruse was a...... DISTACTION < 1301387019 75401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the irc. < 1301387034 478503 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1301387042 703521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD this means i win < 1301387352 534081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I love df. I just updated it and now it has bee keeping as well. :D < 1301387367 577874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it hvae irc < 1301387371 689535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1301387375 232818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alme < 1301387399 928754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, however bee keeping requires an industry of ceramics, for making honey pots < 1301387418 302466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that means a lot of attention to various types of glazing of the jugs in true df spirit! < 1301387440 495557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at last Vorpal finds a game as tedious as he is! < 1301387447 68909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301387453 36566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301387481 14441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course the clay industry is also complex. I'm reading up on that atm < 1301387565 511211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quoting the release notes for the update that introduced this: < 1301387568 3676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I didn't get very far into glazing, but you can ash glaze and tin glaze (with cassiterite). Earthenware jugs need to be glazed to hold liquids. Stoneware and porcelain jugs don't require glaze but can be glazed." < 1301387582 600964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is already more detail than what most games would include < 1301387588 923268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't this be in -minecraft where it's off-topic < 1301387601 473072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it is just as off topic here < 1301387620 163042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301387659 21327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but seriously you have to admire the attention to detail put into df. < 1301387659 426925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:59:28: GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (powerpc-apple-darwin8.0) < 1301387659 637128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:59:28: Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. < 1301387659 637300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the heck did i use this ... < 1301387675 563707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe that was 10.4's bash and it just said powerpc < 1301387680 919594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, wouldn't play it though :P < 1301387719 69476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure the learning curve is not so much a curve as a non-derivable discontinuity in the graph but once you get past that, it is awesome < 1301387833 674013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm using the site finder atm to find a nice place to embark on a new world to test out this new bee keeping stuff < 1301387856 18108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up, trying to remember the name of that thing so i can respond < 1301387862 966341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of what thing? < 1301387867 752120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1301387868 685932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1301387877 917525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :describe it or something < 1301387929 848378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is like < 1301387931 665427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoooooooo < 1301387932 648803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a function < 1301387934 681276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imma go straight up < 1301387936 742561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fuck you < 1301387939 77084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1301387942 704353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going straight down < 1301387945 379839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot stop me!! < 1301387947 64342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be math, could be programming. < 1301387953 461756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathzz < 1301387957 275627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it ends up looking all _|_ < 1301387958 714428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people are like < 1301387960 287939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol function < 1301387961 823239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even? < 1301387963 604771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, asymtope? < 1301387966 547207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about spelling < 1301387967 498733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301387969 469704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some fancy name < 1301387971 679982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is named after a person < 1301387975 360938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who it is named after. < 1301387978 457949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1301388010 106729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a function just totally goes up for one instant < 1301388012 990665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz it doesn't even give a shit. < 1301388027 680076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like the plot of tan(x) does? < 1301388035 634508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no. < 1301388039 480214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is some specific thing < 1301388041 738224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :used in some field of things. < 1301388042 17114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301388054 990474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an abstruse goose comic that referenced it once! ill find that :D < 1301388076 639158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :goose comic, never heard of that one < 1301388078 771892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1301388095 673799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the abstruse is part of the name heh < 1301388106 497308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like xkcd but worse but better < 1301388151 554804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the front page comic... Either they are several or there doesn't seem to be much connection between the topics in it. < 1301388164 223729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, got to the end. Well that explains it < 1301388436 340652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could just wait for oerjan to tell us < 1301388441 313610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt oklopol would know, he's stupid < 1301388481 819449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... < 1301388492 262569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he? I didn't know that < 1301388536 811030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes totally < 1301388540 646805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not waiting for him to come and act offended < 1301388541 243551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nosiree < 1301388553 535570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :suure :P < 1301388649 804608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: please, enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidarity this fine tuesday :) < 1301388652 654223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*solidity < 1301388653 479381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1301388741 690848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sounds interesting. What does it do? < 1301388752 474794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: confines you to solid forms, one presumes < 1301388755 103041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrixly < 1301388768 736431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the MATRIX is solid. < 1301388775 875547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're just confined in a nondescript manner. < 1301388780 960082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows? only its original utterer. < 1301388812 78352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weren't you the original utterer? Or did you quote someone? < 1301388834 664659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps paraphrase someone < 1301388837 271120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the new Esoteric Motto, provoked by me, uttered by some insane esoterica-seeker, and popularised by Gregor. < 1301388852 196833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tells me that I should mock such people more often. < 1301388875 876464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone who came here and had no clue what the channel was about? < 1301388889 986904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301388907 265043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually we did a stupid magick skit :P < 1301388911 704161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T THINK THEY WERE FOOLED < 1301392799 290730 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301398509 433596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the df wiki seems down < 1301400692 137932 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301401401 504470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301401924 302396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301401963 971221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301402295 830828 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/motto/creed/ < 1301402710 94475 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301404943 904960 :nooga_!nooga@jasminek.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301405514 436504 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301405583 630471 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 NICK :augur < 1301405637 119006 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301407528 23762 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm! < 1301407545 374240 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Pure might be very similar to my intentions for antigravity when i was seriously poking around with it < 1301407547 233951 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Gregor! < 1301407577 527371 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, Pure is not, ok. < 1301407612 380442 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor rrrrr! < 1301407771 904830 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Is this you wanting to donate to the libc.so fund? :P < 1301407785 888542 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301407788 411628 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301407792 262875 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is me wanting to talk about generative music < 1301407804 145783 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i'll donate well wishings to the fund < 1301407804 631807 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1301407806 749154 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that! < 1301407879 872389 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301408350 98305 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Well now I don't know if I want to *huff* < 1301408369 624856 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1301408468 279087 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would talk about generative music ... < 1301408478 965461 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since you'll just be forced into the Evisceration Chamber anyway, what difference does it make? < 1301408493 88891 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1301408499 724254 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know of any good papers on the topic? < 1301409195 639228 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! < 1301409255 956988 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301409311 21858 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301409517 10379 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Nope :P < 1301409523 478327 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1301409547 319475 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never read any paper on the subject, because I've never heard generated music that isn't abysmally bad. < 1301409571 946108 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1301409574 372988 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301409586 288261 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just looking for frameworks, really < 1301409665 601230 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. < 1301409689 799703 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1301409694 164712 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like being solid < 1301409698 98556 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want to be goo < 1301409699 66428 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301409722 379295 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: These poor, poor mundanes locked in their matrices. < 1301409761 66659 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW my log format is prettier than it was before :) < 1301409777 56325 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301409860 359023 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301410659 110635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301410905 714479 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log.html?c=_esoteric&d=2011-03-29#073046elliott <-- check out this magic! < 1301410971 237918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I have discovered the solution to all your Minecraft-related navigational plights! < 1301411013 202373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you have, like, a fetish for huge columns of blank space? < 1301411032 915482 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you have, like, a fetish for having such a ridiculously long name that I have to overallocate? < 1301411043 237891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :PH______________ < 1301411055 242736 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1301411070 233245 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are still about 5 empty columns. < 1301411082 504759 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just have a fetish for being a complaining bitch. < 1301411083 800062 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it. < 1301411103 635847 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Jesus, there's no need to be so upset. < 1301411122 239851 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, reduced. < 1301411124 466862 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blank space sort-of annoyed me as well, although it's the fault of people with long nicks rather than of the page < 1301411127 844892 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now quit thine bitching :P < 1301411138 285964 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :juiced dealt with the issue by clipping long names and padding short ones < 1301411148 543176 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people always think I'm /upset/ when I act like a jerk? I'm just a jerk. < 1301411183 840835 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1301411197 855694 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you don't act like a jerk *most* of the time. < 1301411310 93603 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway you're supposed to be amazed by my awesome highlighting and permalinking by-line. < 1301411351 625143 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the highlighting JS-based? < 1301411358 157687 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole page is JS-based. < 1301411362 447730 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The formatting is JS-based. < 1301411381 206594 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I normally have JS off < 1301411398 355374 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1301411403 899802 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really mind if it still degrades gracefully anyway < 1301411409 650886 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1301411420 491793 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalker mode needing JS makes sense < 1301411428 258082 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 NICK :hamiltonian < 1301411430 906701 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could make it degrade "gracefully" by forwarding you to the text version :P < 1301411431 847635 :hamiltonian!~augur@208.58.6.161 NICK :augur < 1301411563 130959 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301412311 553875 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301412870 719122 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301412888 577851 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, if you don't have JS then it degrades to text. All those who don't have JS: Welcome to 2011, we are pleased to see that your long-term cryogenic sleep was successful. Please enjoy your stay. < 1301412939 937760 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301413251 101307 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301413340 937911 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I once had to wrangle with someone who said that not having *CSS* degrade gracefully was EVIL. < 1301413350 21340 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1301413362 954916 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, this probably does degrade gracefully if you have JS but no CSS :P < 1301413448 595331 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what if you want to quickly look something up in w3m while programming? < 1301413452 16921 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually do that sometimes) < 1301413488 322962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, it wasn't even that graceless. You just got some random letters and numbers in place of some random characters. < 1301414347 458481 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-90.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301414518 167568 :cheater99!~cheater@e181140157.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301414546 167493 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231188.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301414551 85387 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301414587 505705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : There, if you don't have JS then it degrades to text. All those who don't have JS: Welcome to 2011, we are pleased to see that your long-term cryogenic sleep was successful. Please enjoy your stay. <-- the issue with js is that a lot of sites use it in a way that doubles their loading time, even if they don't use js for the actual loading (in other words, those that still work and don't become < 1301414587 711706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :blank without js) < 1301414606 498504 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1301414681 457092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is my experience using firefox. Of course some of that can probably be blamed on firefox too, but I have noticed the same pattern even in browsers I use less often. < 1301414786 975827 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301414866 533500 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301414920 999311 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, it even works in w3m now. < 1301414922 866849 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now shoo. < 1301414924 875014 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with disabling JS is that this is the year 2011. < 1301414932 937762 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web is no longer just a text medium, it is a platform. < 1301414940 571316 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.09: 64k to Taiwan, 16k to Vietnam, 2x128k+20x64k+1k to China, 256 to Australia, 256 to India, 256 to Sigapore, 1k to Samoa. < 1301414957 199319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301415184 390230 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimate for depletion stays at Friday April 15th. < 1301415245 821448 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.118 blocks this calender month. < 1301415394 222286 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even half that would be historically quite rare (IIRC, >1 block per month has been exeeded 4 times before this month, 2 being this year) < 1301415480 470229 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logaritmic space: /7.588. < 1301415688 659105 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last 30 days: 2.660 blocks. Wow, just wow. < 1301415845 467589 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301416184 212880 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301416233 202298 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301416849 216512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : There, it even works in w3m now. <-- what about lynx? < 1301416855 240212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1301417303 172486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1301417894 892854 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host < 1301417895 135822 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301417989 694712 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301418051 451829 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301418089 493487 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301418092 823585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301418096 924476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1301418107 274814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1301418397 819643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly! < 1301418409 289814 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1301418422 104684 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatting is unnecessary, I promise < 1301418427 190212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT FIREFLY YOU BROKE THE CHAIN < 1301418432 227338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCOMPETENT SWEDE < 1301418436 884218 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1301418449 507217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE ALL SWEDES INCOMPETENT < 1301418458 794230 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because your line lacks a question mark < 1301418458 998650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT OLSNER, HE'S ALL RIGHT < 1301418531 77944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for breaking the chain -----### < 1301418539 775323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD WORK OERJAN < 1301418553 705716 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i'm in a lot of places < 1301418596 859018 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: um but surely only on one freenode server? i was referring to the weird netsplit that was just happening then < 1301418607 117963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORW... YOU GUYS NEED A BETTER REFERENTIAL THING < 1301418642 280644 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while hopping from server to server, it looked like every server was split from every other. < 1301418663 32959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this included the logbots) < 1301418683 101710 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, only one freenode server < 1301418724 748824 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: quite possibly. < 1301418736 126524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE... NORDS. OR NORNS. < 1301418736 959705 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm connected to that server since almost 2 day < 1301418746 361671 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since my last disconnection) < 1301418784 102412 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: there was a global notice afterwards that a big hub in the EU had disappeared. < 1301418885 951936 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i see just pratchett & anthony < 1301419021 560469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming something's rotten in the state of Freenode? < 1301419797 959718 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it may even have been in the vicinity of denmark < 1301419886 828664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY GOD < 1301419893 384568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, YOUR COMMENTS! < 1301420156 270242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : we could just wait for oerjan to tell us < 1301420163 476934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jump discontinuity perhaps? < 1301420217 355117 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301420256 268635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:39:29: it has some fancy name < 1301420256 475436 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:39:31: that is named after a person < 1301420262 360132 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. dirac delta? < 1301420289 337473 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301420330 624491 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301420380 649017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that's not actually a "real" function. there's a plain delta function which is, though. < 1301420399 587248 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kronecker delta < 1301420407 105744 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1301420419 935010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi [DaTa] < 1301420452 730845 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing mobile irc app < 1301420494 645032 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't want to interrupt sorry < 1301420514 490522 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one but me were talking at the moment anyway < 1301420575 402075 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kk < 1301420602 838631 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PART :#esoteric < 1301420898 652175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who that was. < 1301420913 748869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh hm that's not actually a "real" function. there's a plain delta function which is, though. ← define "real"? < 1301421179 115740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the Cantor set is uncountable? < 1301421231 447305 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function explains it < 1301421231 691271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1301421235 618452 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL < 1301421257 288440 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"real" = the usual set of pairs kind < 1301421265 387033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way we use lambdabot as an impromptu MemoServ. < 1301421277 803129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't the delta function just that? < 1301421312 886202 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. the dirac delta is supposed to be zero everywhere except at zero, and still have integral one. this is impossible for a real function. < 1301421323 303099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1301421418 215225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, have you received the HORRIBLE NEWS? < 1301421419 512635 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: obviously. < 1301421440 769051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, where are you? < 1301421448 10668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes the cantor set is uncountable, same cardinality as the real numbers or the interval [0,1]. < 1301421459 130992 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in the hollands < 1301421467 995806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, not DENMARK? < 1301421473 26815 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no NOT DENMARK < 1301421478 520885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm, it seems it should be countable... < 1301421481 40536 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your news? < 1301421492 279424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, didn't you get the memo from lambdabot? < 1301421495 378809 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301421501 692083 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well she is a "scientist" < 1301421507 711883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No she isn't. < 1301421514 537959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense the only difference is that in the cantor set you don't identify .01111.... with .10000.... etc. but the number of such cases _are_ countable and therefore don't affect the total cardinality. < 1301421516 328631 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quote scientist) < 1301421529 440921 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scare-quote scientist) < 1301421548 707327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What she does is closest, perhaps, to mathematics, but only in the loosest sense. < 1301421561 288129 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when thinking of the cantor set in binary. i guess in the usual "remove center" version s/1/2/ and use trinary.) < 1301421575 278276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/1/2/g < 1301421584 604255 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm insulted on behalf of mathematics. < 1301421603 86012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence 'loosest sense'. < 1301421603 720527 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What she does is more akin to accounting. < 1301421622 663417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better, actually. < 1301421638 766806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not even zzo's insane accounting. < 1301421649 342259 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except accounting has a purpose. < 1301421651 693111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, unlike everything else zzo does, actually sounds interesting. < 1301421659 646637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, IT HAS A PURPOSE < 1301421661 771201 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. I was not aware of this < 1301421669 728238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How ELSE will people mine data????? < 1301421674 828744 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to imagine zzo38's accounting methods < 1301421682 970893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like the way we use lambdabot as an impromptu MemoServ. <-- recently when someone tried to send me a MemoServ memo i nearly missed it because its unobtrusive notice got lost in the server status messages. < 1301421699 135106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it involved Dirac notation. < 1301421805 708412 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... that's beautiful. < 1301421858 903828 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was sort of neat < 1301421907 192513 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I have this vague recollection that I'm wondering if it's an hallucination on my part. Wasn't there once a programming language called "Fish", or "Fish Programming Language", which had an article somewhere (on Wikipedia I think) -- it involved a big picture of a fish, and each scale on the fish had a number(?) and colour(?) and you programmed it by changing these? < 1301421929 337004 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be confused with deadfish, i assume < 1301421934 597763 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor <>< < 1301421970 778160 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and definitely not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISh_%28programming_language%29 < 1301422015 571331 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or blub < 1301422048 410465 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait < 1301422049 627196 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/FiPL < 1301422087 620284 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was deleted from Wikipedia < 1301422101 12391 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not on esolangs.org anywhere that i can see < 1301422108 3241 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and official site is down (of course) < 1301422108 642169 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds familiar, with the colored scales thing. < 1301422139 591149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this all sounds somewhat fishy < 1301422199 195442 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301422217 585925 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fish" is a not very greppable term. < 1301422225 52746 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2007-01-14 01:28:51] < oerjan> A very fishy language. < 1301422234 608108 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301422243 875784 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was re: homespring.) < 1301422317 220016 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly an uncommon theme here, is it? < 1301422328 193629 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we're all quite fishy. < 1301422347 315236 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for both fish and scale just gives me fungot "this evening's debate is certainly the case for amendments nos 3 and 4, so that we can all see the work we do with small-scale fishermen." < 1301422347 520060 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't do anything to cause trouble with it. i might even be on fnord < 1301422435 817583 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, FiPL was definitely what I was thinking of; just surprised it never got an article on esolangs.org < 1301422515 829874 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now EVERY feature degrades gracefully. < 1301422519 351253 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more complaining, nonJSers. < 1301422521 748176 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO MORE COMPLAINING EVER. < 1301422550 128142 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :nonJSer < 1301422553 710672 :nonJSer!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND PROUD OF IT < 1301422567 483699 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it even works in lynx. < 1301422579 161768 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the *day* is the HTML link. < 1301422582 313639 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in lynx it provides literally zero benefit over just using the text :P < 1301422584 81944 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I = slow. < 1301422584 286630 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301422619 384989 :nonJSer!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :AnMaster < 1301422631 237589 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301422636 324260 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, now you're really causing problems. < 1301422644 540138 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Have a fit plz < 1301422646 647872 :AnMaster!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RED FLAG RED FLAG < 1301422649 128840 :AnMaster!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301422834 415732 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301423000 263434 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the scripting do, exactly? It seems to be possible to highlight a particular line, but that's all I've found. < 1301423032 2854 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The script was originally generating the entire log's HTML, dynamically. < 1301423039 304869 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then people went all "bleh I'm a caveman I don't have JS" < 1301423073 848317 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So now the only client-side feature is the highlighting; but that's associated with the hash in the URL (e.g. #001100Gregor), so you can give somebody else that URL and have the same line highlighted. < 1301423086 547544 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I add searching and such, things will get more sophisticated. < 1301423135 107421 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stalker mode still generates the HTML dynamically) < 1301423145 623012 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301423152 442994 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301423172 476870 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1301423480 71809 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301424319 752471 :nelix!~nlx@home.nelix.id.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1301424880 184220 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301424880 581823 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301424880 786859 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301424943 227335 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that I put no effort whatsoever into making the HTML logs work on mobile browsers, it works surprisingly well. < 1301425035 376690 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301426158 19715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that for the last 5 years or so, mobile browsing has been all about making desktop sites work well < 1301426292 918014 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's true. < 1301426334 100047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus, America seems worse and worse the more I read. < 1301426458 254746 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasons why the USA seems so bad in media: 1) Our huge international influence means everything we do is global press. 2) We're freaking huge; not everything that happens anywhere in the US is even borderline representative of the entire country, and yet people don't say "France must suck!" when they hear about something terrible happening in Croatia. 3) We have some kind of problem with the notion of just laughing at people who are too stupid to live. Instead < 1301426458 506518 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : they form niches and then become TV pundits. < 1301426483 874798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no, I mean in terms of actual quality of life. < 1301426515 819035 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You either have fucking gold-lined streets or (2) applies. < 1301426524 322512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, OK. < 1301426531 781062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although even then... < 1301426596 486593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thar's gold in them welsh hills < 1301426613 694705 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hills/sheep/ < 1301426628 403305 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh that's how they extract it < 1301426643 760641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I still pretending to be Welsh? < 1301426646 311241 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sheep eat the gold-infused grass in the hills < 1301426656 56590 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well i didn't want to assume you weren't < 1301426666 444476 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: GLOGBOT KNOWS THE TRUTH NOW FOREVER < 1301426730 871700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've stated multiple times before that I'm Scottish, I just get a kick out of fooling V⁠orpal. < 1301426748 799617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that's NBSPed to avoid pings; please don't start letting him know.) < 1301426784 198077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nbsped? < 1301426798 493880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-breaking space. < 1301426805 690707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301426812 194421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inserted between the V and the o to throw off any ping highlighting. < 1301426814 75138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1301426814 640738 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_expunge_regex /:Phantom_Hoover!.*PRIVMSG #esoteric :.*scot/i < 1301426816 515500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott was here? < 1301426824 592298 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client doesn't even notice it's there... < 1301426839 936429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ...you can make glogbot ignore arbitrary things? < 1301426841 376061 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then it's a good client that understands Unicode :P < 1301426853 720460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: O KAY < 1301426854 420732 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pfff, nonsense. < 1301426870 917479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually *can* see it because in a fit of madness I set every font I could to Libertine, and it kerns the hell out of everything, < 1301426886 72754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And NBSPs prevent it. < 1301426907 734159 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heywait, don't you mean zero-width space? < 1301426915 10456 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-breaking space is still the width of a space :P < 1301426936 415892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES ALL RIGHT GREGOR THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR "FACTS" TO THE DISCUSSION < 1301426963 794204 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ENJOY BEING LOCKED IN YOUR MATRIX OF SOLIDITY. < 1301426975 117725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO < 1301426980 713087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT YOU ARE THE ONES WITH THE FACTS < 1301427012 741092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scotland does have the dubious distinction of eating even less healthily than America." < 1301427019 210573 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301427024 196113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BonnieScotland) < 1301427026 366712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a shame you're not welsh - welsh gets bonus points for appearing in a swedish word for gibberish, and I kind of like the welsh english accent < 1301427061 284602 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaudervelsk? < 1301427092 98938 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess, that literally means "The Language of the Welsh", but its connotation is "gibberish" < 1301427094 12422 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol, I have discovered the solution to all your Minecraft-related navigational plights!" <<< is what < 1301427142 390158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rotvälska, which might mean rootwelsh < 1301427156 921320 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it has anything to do with welsh, really < 1301427169 691708 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, not really, they just both come from the same word somewhere earlier on that means foreign < 1301427210 4796 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kauderwelsch appears to be german < 1301427251 195466 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A mixture of West Germanic and North Germanic languages spoken on the border between Germany and Denmark." < 1301427362 440285 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" In QWOP I did run (...well, "run") the hundred metres, but in GIRP I barely managed two metres." <<< i ran the 100m without cheating right? < 1301427364 160376 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure < 1301427373 809702 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, I think you did. < 1301427376 733977 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But that's you. < 1301427383 848646 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's GIRP? Second time I've seen it mentioned. < 1301427395 47353 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how is that not enjoyable < 1301427400 657374 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foddy.net/GIRP.html < 1301427402 535535 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like QWOP except you climb up. < 1301427417 999787 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: it's not that much like QWOP either.) < 1301427447 135263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's safe to open that link < 1301427541 422218 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's why GIRP's score system changes over time: it'll show your distance when you start playing, but if you reach the top of the cliff (which will definitely take more than a few goes), it'll record how fast you can scamper up next time you play. Foddy says he can reach the peak in about 20 minutes." < 1301427545 500560 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it has a goal too. < 1301427583 137682 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 minutes of climbing? < 1301427598 319974 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... fucking awesome < 1301427601 966510 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's just the game creator; I'm sure you can improve on that. < 1301427605 734889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i'll just watch house for now < 1301427706 740390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " oklopol, I have discovered the solution to all your Minecraft-related navigational plights!" <<< is what < 1301427708 707104 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301427722 289429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2011/2/24/9/enhanced-buzz-17712-1298559561-22.jpg < 1301427766 286823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301427845 703182 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that certainly works < 1301428374 155669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still entertained when I remember the time you tried to find some sand for the Cube and ended up walking to Deewiant's from the north. < 1301428683 633277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301428696 545300 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1301428708 896529 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i found the sand! admittedly that just meant i randomly bumped into a beach. < 1301428757 385673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "C is a subset of C++" ;; wow, people actually say this. < 1301428778 569283 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's incorrect, but is it just things like whether void* gets automatically cast into other types of pointers, or is there more? < 1301428818 772035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that thingy that the polygot linked to by zzo38 exploited, with sizeof(char) being different) < 1301429311 217471 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the fact that C++ keywords (class, friend) are ordinary identifiers in C. < 1301429343 940894 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some implicit-declaration things where you can leave prototypes out, but that's more of a bad idea. < 1301429348 53227 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://david.tribble.com/text/cdiffs.htm < 1301429547 775424 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that I don't see in Deewiant's link is that C++ forbids calling main() recursively (rationale: "the main function may require special actions"), while in C that's of course all right. < 1301429589 709706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301429620 604607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :girp has absolutely nothing to do with qwop < 1301429621 280256 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C++98 spec has an informative "Annex C: compatibility" which lists changes too. < 1301429635 382500 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: They're made by the same guy. < 1301429642 347590 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have nothing in common < 1301429651 71252 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they have the author in common. < 1301429671 936782 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also both are played by pressing keys on the keyboard. < 1301429673 275182 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and in both, there are pixels on the screen < 1301429687 693497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The names are both 4 characters long. < 1301429704 394533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up mister < 1301429706 738550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :S;DA < 1301429731 708476 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone happen to know how to disable the keyboard shortcut for sticky keys < 1301429747 573910 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be there in the "accessibility properties" thingamajick. < 1301429752 448351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also while you're at it, anyone know how to remove "insert" completely < 1301429956 34505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is the point of sticky keys anyway, is it for people who love closing processes, and only have one finger? < 1301430029 231227 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps people who have only one finger and just want to use keyboard shortcuts in general. < 1301430069 438501 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm true. and here i thought it has very little use cases. < 1301430120 592415 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an a11y thing anyway, they're sort-of meant for people with... difficulties. Or whatever the PC expression is. ("Accessively challenged"?) < 1301430136 905807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it doesn't have enough use cases to justify automatically binding it to the shift key. < 1301430170 686218 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, their way to make those features more discoverable is not perhaps the best. < 1301430182 8869 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But doesn't the first-time prompt for it ask if you want to permanently disable it or not? < 1301430187 607734 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301430192 470788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it does, i missed it < 1301430206 998903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always prompts whether i want to enable sticky keys < 1301430218 219981 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a bit of a silly. < 1301430226 91769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :orally. < 1301430248 477190 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same place where you'd normally enable it (control panel/something/something) at least used to have the checkboxes that disable the automatical prompting. < 1301430272 886412 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i managed to disable it < 1301430286 391387 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only took 5 minutes what with explorer crashing and all that < 1301430322 534890 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should switch to another os, but since i'm prolly never going to do it maybe i should just stop using computers < 1301430342 488503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, but how will you IRC with us? < 1301430349 34572 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :manually < 1301430415 302867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whistling into a phone line? < 1301430425 417138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually not entirely sure < 1301430464 720875 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah maybe i'll need some sort of irc machine < 1301430498 137849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just install $minimal_os and run IRC on it. < 1301430519 519078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not with, like, a client. < 1301430522 153433 :nelix!~nlx@home.nelix.id.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301430526 23039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just nc straight to Freenode. < 1301430795 230705 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be able to produce a sound that caused my modem to start a handshake (normally the calling side just waits), but I doubt anyone can actually do the whistling thing, at least with anything even remotely modern modem standards. (To start the handshake you just need a close-enough match for a 2100 Hz single-frequency tone, and at least my modem wasn't very picky about it.) < 1301431060 856681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in other news, Renault have become The Most Annoying Advertisers. < 1301431163 8224 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301431166 961047 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301431169 284144 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301431171 39249 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301431173 271079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301431174 399956 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301431176 536512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1301431187 410602 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You somehow opened the gates of oko. < 1301431187 648606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the okocalypse. < 1301431203 197322 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301431205 502779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301431206 564855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301431212 907689 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point i have no idea what happened there < 1301431213 450325 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it is a neurological affectation of some sort. < 1301431229 582869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND LO, THERE WAS BEFORE ME AN OKO HORSE < 1301431275 901484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or the oklopolypse < 1301431296 647327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hmm, that's a better name. < 1301431571 749670 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An oklopolyp is some sort of a marine thing. < 1301431592 256480 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you mean: colon polyp" < 1301431600 207709 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Google, I did not mean that. < 1301431623 419177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ooh, you have a YouTube account. < 1301431632 664741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should totally upload something. < 1301431640 556674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you saying "oko" for ten minutes. < 1301431738 400616 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301431745 491687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey! < 1301431761 124230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plural of oklopol should be oklopodes < 1301431801 658287 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1301431812 268954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oklopals - as in "Oklopol and his Friendly Oklopals" < 1301431832 76136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is an expert on oklology. < 1301431995 278486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are videos of me and others okoing for hours < 1301432018 115982 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't like publishing picture of myself < 1301432104 56406 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklobaba. (Cf. Napababa.) < 1301432123 537019 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if pictures of the oklo appear we'll use them to cut together a nature documentary about the shy oklopodes and their colorful and loud mating displays < 1301432131 946341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly narrated by attenborough < 1301432160 809179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, "The oklopol creates a nest from a bathtub, and fills it with nutritious Cola." < 1301432237 88236 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301432306 213978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If its potential mate prefers Sprite, however, all his work will have gone to waste." < 1301433045 23151 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301433569 503188 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301433697 625846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads erowid. < 1301433703 221836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD at the LSD effects. < 1301433715 388292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Positive: life-changing spiritual experiences. < 1301433728 544468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative: unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences. < 1301433811 194056 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301434078 560609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want this life-changing spiritual experience! I was quite happy being unenlightened! < 1301434307 651977 :cheater99!~cheater@e181140157.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301434640 498339 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had a life-changing spiritual experience, and are now completely certain that cthulhu loves you. with a little bearnaise sauce. < 1301434822 767101 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1929 Bahaha < 1301434908 753862 :cheater99!~cheater@g228060233.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301435326 310994 :cheater99!~cheater@g228060233.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301435587 69348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1301435590 468388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301435723 632609 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover implies sleep? < 1301435848 651258 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather frequently < 1301435884 703252 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-90.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301436953 929531 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... a language whose programs form a group (like Burro) but the group is finitely generated (unlike Burro). I almost have one... < 1301437041 84487 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By all rights it should be named "Mulo" but I don't think I like that name. < 1301437202 476352 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437268 746981 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :burro -> burrito? < 1301437317 927916 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :burrito -> burritino? < 1301437388 70292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437389 555415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:53:15: there are videos of me and others okoing for hours < 1301437389 758673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:53:38: but i don't like publishing picture of myself < 1301437390 110724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frappy < 1301437392 105636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301437401 898366 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1301437415 524089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't like killing people either but i'm still not a virgin < 1301437421 305254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437423 688880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frappr that is < 1301437425 157231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301437435 71587 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/frapp[yr]/fappy/ < 1301437460 986325 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437580 201558 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sounds like it should be doable if the commands just fail to commutate enough < 1301437608 352487 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :burro isn't finitely generated? < 1301437635 415514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some nested construct, doesn't it < 1301437678 535566 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't remember at all, i just remember it was not a group < 1301437702 734351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pessimistic bastard ain't i < 1301437713 88749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go to sleep now < 1301437746 461657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to do something with lots of commutators. i think. >:) < 1301437807 711066 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301437808 800405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437898 622821 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am reminded of that underload variant which removes () and instead uses a command that adds a single-character list containing the next one < 1301437918 980225 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a finitely generated monoid, at least < 1301437953 689773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/adds/pushes/ < 1301437971 687849 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301438127 986943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a finitely generated monoid is a pair containing a set S and a function * from S^2 to S such that (a*b)*c = a*(b*c) for all a, b, c in S and there is some 1 in S such that 1*a = a*1 = a for all a in S and also there exists a finite subset X of S such that {1} union X union X^2 union ... union X^n is S for some n < 1301438152 687468 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Burro, being based vaguely on brainfuck, has nested conditional blocks, so not finitely generated < 1301438231 841048 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally a group now though, since 2010 < 1301438261 637479 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll check if i agree omorrow < 1301438293 131595 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i have to do -> < 1301438305 473429 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol implies right margin < 1301438444 439366 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301438467 451993 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301438468 834471 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301438595 418809 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know about commutators -- I mean I've vaguely know what the concept is, I don't know how to work with them and I'm not approaching the design of the thing by saying to myself "ok so do I have enough commands that fail to commute yet". Maybe after I've got it together I'll try looking at it that way. < 1301438637 814320 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I've got right now is basically a reversible tag system. < 1301438675 173864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301438690 498156 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inverse of matching the front of the queue and appending to the back, is (sort of) matching the back of the queue and appending to the front. < 1301438764 926946 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile -- I rock at javascript < 1301438768 271455 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION air guitar < 1301438816 358322 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait there was no verb in that action < 1301438846 710326 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be quittin' time < 1301438848 126759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION accidentally cpressey's air guitar < 1301438855 707557 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS yeah < 1301438858 529802 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheeeee < 1301438859 899457 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301439295 643923 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1301439906 848868 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301440229 542711 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301440911 311168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301440917 476511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SQL OVERLORDS ARE COMING < 1301440918 131585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301440953 205254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear'; drop table overlords; -- MWAHAHAHA < 1301441300 739083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simon's hot... er, I got shot < 1301441482 876725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^quote < 1301441488 320166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, as in, that's a quote < 1301441500 805338 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU SAY SO < 1301441512 915732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO < 1301441593 543845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the chances of him responding are rather low, but that's an impressive uptime < 1301441614 670257 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301441638 509256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's his uptime? I don't see any such thing in whois < 1301441696 687603 :augur!~augur@96.231.223.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301441730 154217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric