= {P}{^R} < 1299071473 0 :nddrylliog!~nddryllio@gprs33.swisscom-mobile.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1299071486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ^R is something left cancelable (by L'()), we know that {^R} is deleted by ^. this means that

^:^ is P < 1299071516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm < 1299071527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you need L' to actually be there, in order for ^ to delete it? < 1299071566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, merely being left-cancellable isn't enough for something to be deleted by ^, you need the actual left-canceller to cancel it < 1299071567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by ^R being left cancelable by L'() i mean that L'()^R is null < 1299071577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299071589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I missed the braces around {^R} < 1299071611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299071613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so {^R}^ = null, {^R}:^ = ^R? < 1299071627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299071641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes,

^:^ == P < 1299071649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and

:^ is null < 1299071725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be the "API" for running/deleting programs of the kind that are put on the stack. < 1299071736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and inside translated quotes < 1299071736 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299071739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you now have ^:^ and :^ as a second set of booleans, which unfortunately aren't left-cancellable < 1299071746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes they are < 1299071755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes they are < 1299071771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ending with : that makes something uncancellable < 1299071775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299071786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the left, yeah < 1299071854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i mentioned above, whenever LR is null, R is automatically equivalent to these left cancelable things < 1299071893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or alternatively, my haskell program constructs cancelable blocks with R's of this form, anyway) < 1299071948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me a bit of my 2,3 proof, actually; it has cancelling-out constructions as well < 1299071966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299071968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it arranges sections of tape to cancel each other's effects out (although only for a finitely long length of time) < 1299072129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we now have the API settled, so we can translate individual commands: ! -> ^:^, ^ -> ^^:^ and : -> : < 1299072365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now assuming we have recursively translated nested quoted programs, the quotes in the program will be cancelable solely from the right. < 1299072380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by ^:^) < 1299072449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is cancelable from the left, as is :'s followed by ^. a : alone needs a combination. < 1299072451 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: used jmIrc < 1299072510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we now split up a subprogram (with quotes already handled recursively) into blocks where each block is cancelable. < 1299072610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P = QP1P2..Pn. QQ', LiPiRi being null. < 1299072643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the special Q is just for a bit of efficiency.) < 1299072693 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha: "He also said that they understand that IPv6 is not ready because OS vendors have not implemented IPsec. Talk about a bozo filter..." (from NANOG list). < 1299072770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now we define

= Q{P1}{:^P2}..{:^Pn}{^Rn()(^)...^R2()(^)^R1Q'} < 1299072779 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299072807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n should be >= 1 btw, we can add a dummy P1 if needed.) < 1299072887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this still obeys the same API as for a cancelable P < 1299072908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1299072934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and now we define

= Q{P1}{:^P2}..{:^Pn}{^Rn...^R2^R1Q'} < 1299072961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erroneously mixing in an L-part there :) < 1299073001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and that's about it, i think < 1299073011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that seems a pretty good description < 1299073047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's both logical and beautifully non-obvious, and reveals something that seems moderately profound about programming < 1299073288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each Pi block constructed by my program tends to be of the form :^::^^:(...)...(...), with : and ^ (and sometimes S) first and quotes last < 1299073349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quotes and half a final : cancel from the right, the ^'s and most of the :'s from the left < 1299073421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Q is just quotes, thus the name :D < 1299073431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think that's provably the minimum Underload minimization < 1299073438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299073451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go any lower/different, you'd need to change some of the commands < 1299073467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you should ask elliott about that, he had some suggestions < 1299073718 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Viivan loppu. < 1299074259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1299074262 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1299075769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299075838 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to figure out how to construct turing tape block in Pointer-B. What it needs to do is fairly simple. Coding it is another matter since it involves loading a number of numbers (oh, and the numbers needed depend on the amount of code loading other numbers, and sometimes also the number itself takes). < 1299075895 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299076103 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299076621 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299076999 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299077529 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299077843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299077968 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299078097 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228061116.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299078399 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299078571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the "selected Unicode character names" series today: U+1F192 SQUARED COOL. < 1299078578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is, in fact, just the word "COOL" in a box.) < 1299078719 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299078830 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299078994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I... what. < 1299079006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, weather. < 1299079049 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299079219 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299079220 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah. when did the topic thing happen? < 1299079257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the next char is U+1F193 SQUARED FREE. < 1299079282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299079393 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hmm. < 1299079408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's SQUARED CL, COOL, FREE, ID, NEW, NG, OK, SOS, UP WITH EXCLAMATION MARK and VS. < 1299079448 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not as good as LOVE HOTEL < 1299079452 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SQUARE DJ, which is just DJ without the enclosing square. < 1299079494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQUARE DJ < 1299079500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NOTHING SADDER < 1299079571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299079873 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060128.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299079915 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299080004 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299080048 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299080083 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1299080344 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299080616 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299080822 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299080898 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181132098.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299081060 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299081151 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299081376 0 :haze_skw!~chatzilla@182.8.219.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299081543 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299081543 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299081543 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299081633 0 :haze_skw!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299081686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299081687 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299082123 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299082375 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI in Eodermdrome: too trivial? < 1299082403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how you plan to do S, Eodermdrome is very bad at copying things < 1299082420 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, dammit, you're right... < 1299082443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's /possible/ due to being TC, bu doing it directly would be difficult < 1299082448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but < 1299082484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious way to copy data in Eodermdrome would be to unzip it DNA-style < 1299082492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be quite interesting, actually < 1299082505 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNA? < 1299082518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how DNA is copied? < 1299082528 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is it actually *necessary* to copy things? < 1299082531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most proteins in human cells have the same localish view of reality that Eodermdrome does < 1299082546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it isn't, e.g. Minksy machines don't; but S copies things, or else shares them < 1299082549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sharing would be messy too < 1299082555 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1299082569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to work out which line was which < 1299082575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the basic problem of eodermdrome < 1299082599 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is? < 1299082610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to work out which connection is which < 1299082612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as nothing is labeled < 1299082623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as nothing is labeled graph shapes as labels < 1299082640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299082652 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299082657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my client is screwing up again (due to stray touches on touchpads) < 1299082718 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises that sharing messes up subgraph detection.
< 1299082723 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kind of. < 1299082824 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299083020 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DNA idea is interesting, though. < 1299083120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299083125 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299083232 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299083280 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to redirect DNA-Sharp to MONOD, but suspects that this would not go down well with ais.
< 1299083300 0 :Slo912!pJIRCUser@173-165-64-75-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299083326 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slo912, hmm, I haven't noticed you before... < 1299083669 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do we immediately jump all over anybody who joins :P < 1299083707 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can see if they're corruptible to our insanity. < 1299083833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1299084140 0 :Slo912!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Slo912 < 1299084311 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1299084663 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Vorpal = Slo912. < 1299084714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, err what? (note I have no scrollback. I just rebooted after a kernel upgrade) < 1299084756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299084788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, where is elliott's logging bot btw? < 1299084800 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It died and he didn't bring it back. < 1299084808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1299084929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now on fancy 2.6.37.2 btw < 1299084947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still seems like the same old world < 1299084948 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299084973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most importantly... Still no flying cars. < 1299085374 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299085606 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, elliott disappeared < 1299085931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange. radvd randomly unconfigured itself. As in the config file was wrong. < 1299085937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well time to track that down... < 1299085990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see I think. Hm. < 1299086002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good thing I keep /etc in version control!) < 1299086044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the package moved from aur to main distro repos. And the config file location changed. Right. < 1299086360 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299086703 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299086847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : woah. when did the topic thing happen? < 1299086871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been working on it for about the past week < 1299086919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yesterday my conversion program was finished, so i could test the theory < 1299086944 0 :wetneb!~berthe@dan75-6-82-239-12-53.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299086963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wet nebs, the best kind of nebs < 1299086998 0 :wetneb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299086998 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.04: 8k to Bangladesh, 512k+2k+1k to Japan, 2x64k+2x1k+2x256 to Australia, 64k+2k to Indonesia, 4k to China. No IPv6 allocations. < 1299087019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: do you think APNIC's going to run out first? RIPE and ARIN have relatively scary burn rates too < 1299087092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and sharing would be messy too < 1299087104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it might still be more efficient than copying... < 1299087152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might leak memory, i imagine < 1299087179 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-leakiness is not a requirement for TC :P < 1299087182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you'd get detached bits of graphs < 1299087188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: we know Eodermdrome's TC anyway < 1299087221 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I hope those aren't even remotely as scary as APNIC. And I don't think those are. < 1299087265 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299087269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: although you might manage reference counting too... well if you can fit it within the 26 letters. < 1299087270 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299087288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could count references in unary, but it'd still be nasty < 1299087296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hm, deleting something when reference count reaches 0 is probably as hard as that DNA zipping < 1299087301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unzipping < 1299087410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is the topic about the subset of underload that consists of :()^ ? < 1299087415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be more efficient though < 1299087421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not oerjan, but yes < 1299087428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're allowed to put things inside the parens < 1299087435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err... < 1299087441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just :, ^, and more parens < 1299087442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, " woah. when did the topic thing happen?" " i've been working on it for about the past week" < 1299087459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so that is what I responded to :P < 1299087521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do you expect me to ask you specifically? Or did you apologize for answering in his place? (Why would someone apologize for that?!) < 1299087541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/underload/minskyconv.ul and http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/underload/ULDisclaim2.hs < 1299087556 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299087566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mhm. < 1299087567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is a minsky machine example < 1299087574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will look at those a bit later < 1299087608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was apologising for answering in his place < 1299087609 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299087618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I generally do that when answering a question specifically aimed at someone else < 1299087623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also ais523 is the only one who has got a full explanation (unless you read the logs) so he is somewhat qualified < 1299087628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a "oerjan," at the start of the line < 1299087638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1299087657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i _suppose_ others might have been reading too, but they didn't say so) < 1299087662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299087731 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299087883 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181128004.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299087913 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :December-February (90 days) current unreserved pool and linear estimate: RIPE NCC: 1.612/3.30 (184 days). ARIN: 0.947/4.19 (398 days). APNIC: 3.693/3.37 (82 days!) < 1299087945 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that doesn't take panic and demand shifting into account. But APNIC is depleting far far faster than other RIRs. < 1299088008 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299088017 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299088018 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn that I can't get good figures about free pool size for any other RIR than APNIC. < 1299088131 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the errors in pool sizes are by far insufficient for it to really be even near. < 1299088200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jeeze. Peak oil is insanely close. < 1299088242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimates start at the end of this year. < 1299088248 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it even is in the future? < 1299088271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, if it hasn't happened right about now. < 1299088273 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299088276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is genuinely possible. < 1299088302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit's going to get *baaaad*. < 1299088308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what definition of peak oil are you using, btw? < 1299088339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No further increase in oil production, and *likely* a begin in decrease of oil production. < 1299088358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are people really insane enough to rely on oil production /increases/? < 1299088358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, start in decrease. < 1299088363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YES. < 1299088373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the definition of a deficit, the amount of extra debt a country gets year on year < 1299088389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the definition even exists is scary < 1299088392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Keep in mind that much of the world-wide economic development has relied on increases in oil production. < 1299088414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also scary < 1299088455 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299088458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If oil production begins to *decrease*, the US is going to have some *really* bad shit happening. < 1299088507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could start by increasing the price of oil to something sane < 1299088540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's held artificially high in the UK via taxes, which among other things means that a decrease in production, causing a price rise, could be at least partially absorbed by lowering taxes < 1299088544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Political suicide. < 1299088580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recall that Americans, as a whole, *depend* on oil being cheap. < 1299088587 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whenever peak oil is/was one has to remember oil production (by almost any defintion) has been aproximately flat since 2004/2005. < 1299088613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Ah, fuck, you're right. < 1299088641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this probably explains the rise of biodiesel in the US < 1299088652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't many other explanations for it, as it seems to make not much economic sense < 1299088667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's a case of relaxing capacity issues on crude supply, there might be a reason for it < 1299088681 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And biofuels stuff is completely insane. The EROEI is just plain horrible. < 1299088691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just conclude lobbyists or something for why it's done in such an insane way < 1299088711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Corn subsidies weight the whole thing against sanity. < 1299088731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, the cost to produce corn is negative. < 1299088743 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And looks like the economy is now in oscillatory mode caused by hitting oil supply constraints... < 1299088792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Actually, the severe oscillation can be more accurately blamed on unregulated finance. < 1299088806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though oil isn't helping things any. < 1299088821 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, the unrest in muslim countries doesn't help matters any. < 1299088847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall there was an oil price inflation just before the financial crisis hit < 1299088862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the crisis sort of nullified it, iirc < 1299088863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. The economic situation is the result of a whole *ton* of stupid decisions and just straight-up bad fortune. < 1299088882 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, push things to extreme and disasters happen. < 1299088887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but it certainly didn't *cause* the financial crisis, even in the US. < 1299088925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, i meant it the other way around, the financial crisis stopped it < 1299088939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it seems to have put a temporary hold on it. < 1299088955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we're seeing the price of oil skyrocket again. < 1299088970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is it now? < 1299088971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did the financial crisis actually hurt anyone, as in deaths, etc.? < 1299088976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it just reduce quality of life? < 1299088992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In the US, it certainly caused deaths. < 1299088992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there were _some_ suicides and stuff < 1299089013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, unemployment means no non-ER health care. < 1299089027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the US health system is insane < 1299089031 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it pushed financial system to really really edge. And thus the massive bailouts. < 1299089041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work or die < 1299089092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oil is at about $100 a gallon. < 1299089096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, barrel. < 1299089126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_petroleum < 1299089133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a bit up to the top < 1299089290 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299089468 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, SAD (Standard American Diet) doesn't help things any. < 1299089547 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that out of diets that aren't blantantly massively deficient, diets that rollercoaster blood sugar, resulting in massive snacking are the absolute worst. < 1299089622 0 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299089676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1299089677 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1299089678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1299089784 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever the diet, at least have a diet that one can follow and isn't blatantly deficient. Otherwise, you will end up snacking a lot, and those foods are the absolute worst. < 1299089801 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1299089903 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loads of sugar, loads of industrial trans fats (yes, those do still exist), loads of "fat" that isn't even fat anymore and other bad-for-you stuff... < 1299090058 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1299090074 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and apparently lots of that third group of trans fats (polyunsaturated non-conjugated trans fats), of which very little is known. < 1299090147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that they're delicious. < 1299090175 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think those things even taste good. < 1299090274 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299090278 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181052131.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299090379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns back to the channel and away from his tub of Imitation Butter Flavr� polyunsaturated non-conjugated trans fat meal to disagree. Then curse Somalia.
< 1299090493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polly unsaturated, wants a cracker! < 1299090759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1299091046 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299092481 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299092862 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299093256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299093560 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299093660 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128174.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299093831 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299093847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299093852 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-180-246.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299093933 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299094343 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299094960 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299095031 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299095114 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299096362 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299096431 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my Statistics professor may be an idiot < 1299096437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure, I want to ask in here < 1299096468 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes. < 1299096496 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) you do, b) they are because only an idiot would voluntarily teach at a place called "Farmingdale". < 1299096535 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote the 8-ball: ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES. [Disclaimer: the earlier may not be construed as the opinion of me.] < 1299096543 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, problem: X represents how many times 1 appears on a fair die in 3 rolls < 1299096547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet Farmingdale doesn't even have a better Poultry Sciences department than Purdue. < 1299096566 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I bet they just Farmville all the time. < 1299096575 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice. < 1299096592 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He proceeds to show the possibility (I forget the exact term) space as such: < 1299096594 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 1 < 1299096597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 not1 < 1299096600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1299096631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh :P < 1299096638 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then says that the probability of P(0) = 1/8 < 1299096639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not 1" is a poor way to represent a fair die :P < 1299096639 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1299096658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'd be worried if the etc. doesn't include 1 not1 1 < 1299096667 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it does < 1299096677 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically he didn't say how many sides the die has. < 1299096684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be a two-sided die (also known as a coin) < 1299096685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 1/8 is bad < 1299096703 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*very* bad. < 1299096737 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 1-(5/6)^3, which is trivial if you know any probability at all. < 1299096741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He explains the discrepency between what the formula got and what he did there as the difference between "discrete" and "binomial" (I may have forgotten the exact term there) variables < 1299096753 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Number of 1s, not 1 appearing at all. < 1299096767 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: (Which is even more trivial) < 1299096776 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh. < 1299096777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: um P(0) is (5/6)^3, no 1- < 1299096779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or maybe I misunderstood the question *shrugs* < 1299096794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*P(X=0) < 1299096803 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, right. < 1299096814 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's slightly more trivial. < 1299096820 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (5/6)**3 < 1299096821 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.5787037037037038 < 1299096838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He says that the 1/8 is considering it as a discrete variable, and the formula as binomial < 1299096866 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, please inform him of this and that the disagreement is backed up by an unemployed mathematician, a programmer whose greatest achievement is a JS game and a 16-year-old. < 1299096869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess by his logic, P(X=3) = P(X=0) = 1/8? < 1299096883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes < 1299096884 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes, he is an idiot, and a first-class one. < 1299096887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he is wrongly assuming uniformity of the two options he has made for each coin < 1299096912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, so now it *is* a coin? :p < 1299096915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elementary mistake < 1299096919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whoops < 1299096920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I ended up questioning that in the middle of class. Once as me just being confused, and once as me trying to explain why the answers were disagreeing < 1299096930 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "elementary". < 1299096933 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1299096952 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He *thinks the sum of the probabilities on a dice roll are 3.* < 1299096957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should have made him a large bet :D < 1299096978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, where did I say he thinks that? < 1299097022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he is obviously forgetting that the binomial distribution has a parameter for the probability of the even you count < 1299097029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*event < 1299097052 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, "fair dice" and the fact that P(X) = P(¬X) → sum is 3. < 1299097052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole "discrete"/"binomial" thing sounds rather confused too. < 1299097054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's not like he left that out of the formula he gave us... < 1299097109 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to him, (as a discrete variable), P(0) = 1/8, P(1) = 3/8, P(2) = 3/8, P(3) = 1/8 < 1299097122 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, that doesn't equal 3 < 1299097139 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, erm, I mean in terms of the sum of the die rolling each face. < 1299097142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's of course correct for a coin. < 1299097190 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept telling him that the possibility space he should be expanding the not1, so 1 1 not1 -> 1 1 2, 1 1 3, etc. And he kept saying that then it wouldn't be binomial < 1299097216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there is absolutely no need to expand the not1 if you know what you are doing, though < 1299097244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to take into account that the probability of a single not1 is 5/6, not 1/2 < 1299097279 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any context in which his answers make sense? < 1299097286 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some weird phrasing of the question < 1299097288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a coin, i said < 1299097308 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides P(success)=1/2 < 1299097337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A coin, the fairest of dice. < 1299097352 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, he just picked the stupidest example possible. < 1299097397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, hmm? < 1299097412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was showing us with a coin on Monday. That wasn't what he wanted to illustrate < 1299097413 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, die rather than coin. < 1299097429 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, he wants to illustrate a binomial distribution. < 1299097439 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coin is the thing to choose there. < 1299097456 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "wouldn't be binomial if you expand the not1" does sort-of make sense, since the binomial distribution is for the number of successes of yes/no Bernoulli trials. < 1299097457 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, in non-idiot news, I'm thinking of doing an Eodermdrome implementation. < 1299097496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But still, you can't assume p=0.5 for those trials.) < 1299097567 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH. SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1299097640 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you still lust for libc.so? < 1299097647 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299097657 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, somebody figured it out < 1299097663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299097675 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been screaming "SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAA" all day wondering whether anybody would "get it" :P < 1299097698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1299097714 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WHAT? < 1299097726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you offended by my quest for awesome domain names? < 1299097727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299097776 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-130.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299097776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i was assuming you were talking about some news that somehow i never saw... < 1299097796 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was! < 1299097807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there was this danish family but i didn't think that would cause such a reaction. < 1299097833 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The news that the .so landrush is over, and they will be assigning domains within the previous 24 hours or so. < 1299097843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1299097852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory I may already own libc.so < 1299097857 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice I don't know. < 1299097862 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait, so they've got a government now? < 1299097872 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Not REALLY < 1299097873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mainstream news, you dolt < 1299097901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just accuse Gregor of not knowing of a US President who resigned? < 1299097902 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: But the transitional government that controls about 1/4 of the capitol and a few other outposts is all about technology, so they got .so up and running :P < 1299097919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1299097934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ITYM "MONEY" < 1299097939 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think Sgeo's little mind has snapped at last. < 1299097959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: that would seem the only explanation. but didn't it do that long ago? < 1299097975 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snapped MORE. < 1299097982 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fark meme < 1299098005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fark.com/comments/5351459/Michael-Savage-I-dont-know-of-an-American-president-whos-resigned < 1299098008 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also totally disappointed at the lack of interest in my plans for an Eodermdrome implementations. < 1299098017 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fine fine, but at least the money actually goes to Somalia, instead of some random company in the US or something. < 1299098038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: The language is cursed: people always just talk about implementing it, but never do. (Did oklopol have an eodermdrome thing or how was it?) < 1299098052 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, perhaps it's an ais thing < 1299098116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I thought about recommending the NAUTY library, because it has a silly name, but it seems that it's only really useful for full-graph isomorphism testing, not for the subgraph isomorphism problem. < 1299098157 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an algorithm for that, but I'm failing to understand it due to procrastination. < 1299098179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an app for that. < 1299098230 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-07-17 19:06:16] < oklopol> i implemented eodermdrome < 1299098233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, oklopol had one. < 1299098241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was horribly inefficient, though. < 1299098241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: well it is NP-complete < 1299098261 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, it is. < 1299098295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with subgraph size limited to 26, maybe it's not a problem. < 1299098328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well that means it's in _principle_ only a P sub-problem.) < 1299098704 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299098706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eodermdrome graphs-to-match-against-the-subgraphs-of-the-state-graph are also constant over the lifetime of the program, which might help in some algorithms if they happen to involve some preprocessing on them. (Can't say I've looked at subgraph isomorphism algorithms at all.) < 1299098769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there ought to be a "Planar Eodermdrome" variant when you want efficient code; I think it was an easier problem there. < 1299098939 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that a variant where copying things was easy would be nice, but I'm not completely sure how to do that. < 1299098948 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps using ais' suggested method is better. < 1299099073 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299099125 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299099398 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.13/20101203075014] < 1299099481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that defining what to copy gets awkward when the graph isn't acyclic < 1299099661 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? I was thinking simply that there would be a mechanism for having a closed node appear twice in the replacement subgraph, and then deleting the original subgraph except for that node, then building the replacement for the whole graph from two such components and the rest of the replacement subgraph. < 1299099705 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, the component is the set of vertices reachable from the duplicated node when the rest of the match subgraph is deleted. < 1299099725 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299099801 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299099801 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299099801 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299099809 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's not *that* simple. < 1299099837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1299099865 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seemed the most natural way to do it. < 1299099869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The coincidentalism is astounding: you start talking about eodermdrome, and at the same time an ad for "An excursion into algebraic tools for combinatorial problems" seminar -- which seems to be mostly about graph-related combinatorics -- drops into my INBOX. < 1299099888 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNCHRONICITY < 1299099909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYN, Chron... I, city? < 1299099919 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1299099920 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1299099932 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: The sword alone can't stop! < 1299099932 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like, thanks princess. i'll take that under advisement!! < 1299099949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bot needs to learn some manners. < 1299099986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie is _so_ a princess name < 1299100097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be short for fizzonica or something, but still < 1299100168 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299100181 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Princess Fizzonica of Carbonium < 1299100225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Disney Pretty Princess Fizzie Macic Wand Gift Set ( Fizzie Wand, 15 Tnted Bath Fizzies, Body Wash and Body Lotion )" (amazon.com) < 1299100265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tnt'ed bath fizzies, sounds dangerous < 1299100289 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299100318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the "X-treem" bathers, for which the usual bath salts and the like are too tame. < 1299100362 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their bath salts are just sodium, no chlorine. < 1299100371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assalt and bathery < 1299100382 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ow < 1299100383 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain. < 1299100386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ass-salt, ew. < 1299100398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, http://www.alilg.com/arcade-games/Fizzie-15731.html "Game description: Simple, fun and addictive, the goal is simply to maneuver Fizzie around the screen and capture the rising bubbles." I seem to be... quite spiky. < 1299100399 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299100415 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me who hates "CE"? < 1299100422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Click the mouse button to make Fizzie go Move the mouse around, and Fizzie will follow the cursor Holding the mouse button down and aiming the cursor towards a bubble is a great way to get Fizzie to catch the bubble Avoid the red enemies" < 1299100436 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I tend to have this urge to follow the cursor around. < 1299100443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows CE? < 1299100453 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, instead of "AD". < 1299100458 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed he means CE certification. < 1299100458 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P < 1299100483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :christianity evasion < 1299100536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CE/BCE pair is not as nice as AD/BC, since the lengths differ. < 1299100638 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should just use a single number starting from the big bang. DONE. Also, relativity be damned. < 1299100653 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Kelvin of time :P < 1299100667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Kelvin of time" is a great phrase. < 1299100793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given current estimates, we should be able to choose a starting year within 110 million years. We could "conveniently" choose one that ends in 2011 < 1299100876 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that is the best idea ever. < 1299100887 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From now on it is the date system I am going to use. < 1299100977 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also forget the whole year/month/day nonsense, maybe? Just seconds (it's the SI unit of time) since the big bang. < 1299101116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299101142 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a person who lives on Earth, I have certain reasons to desire the use of years :P < 1299101145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And days < 1299101147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Months are garbage < 1299101185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goal: deprecate all legacy date formats by 2020... uh, I mean, let's say provisionally by 433620000000000000, give and take a few million "old-style years" depending on what the authorities will set the start time at. < 1299101264 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seconds are too small for most time scales, but it seems well chosen for the shortest timespan since it's easy for humans to approximate < 1299101416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 433620000000000000/86400/365.2425 < 1299101417 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.3740870791323572e10 < 1299101489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It was done with the 365-day approximation, sorry about that. Still, it falls in the 13.75 ± 0.11 range, anyway. < 1299101501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The microfortnight, for when the seconds are almost suitable but just a bit too short. < 1299101503 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299101606 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who ever figured KDE4 was a good move? < 1299101664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :white king captures black queen on E4 < 1299101674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a pretty good move to me < 1299101692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notation is a _little_ off, i think < 1299101695 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, NIST got around publishing paper about SHA-3 finalists selection... Finally. < 1299101722 0 :wetneb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299101778 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a king ever capture a queen < 1299101788 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, yes, if the queen was moved by an idiot. < 1299101803 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately someone who really knew what they were doing, but more probably an idiot. < 1299101868 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right, you can basically force the king to eat the queen, and then checkmate him, in some circumstances, but I'd consider that a checkmate by the point the queen threatens him already < 1299101981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1387595 -- here's a king-captures-the-queen game, courteously provided by Google, fed through an onerous Javapplet. < 1299102085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was hoping to find some sort of a number as to how often that happens in "real" chess games.) < 1299103065 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299103071 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299103072 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299103170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299103405 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299103435 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299103789 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299103981 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299104030 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299104031 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299104211 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299104236 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299104267 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299105164 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/fvvd4/iama_member_of_congress_rep_john_garamendi_dca_ama/ < 1299105185 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that looks legit. < 1299105642 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299105704 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: is it true that you've been bribed into secrecy? < 1299105986 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299106084 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299106345 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299106347 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299106469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54:45 Don't anyone tell elliott this, but there's a lot of atrocious handwriting in Japan. < 1299106480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my handwriting is that of a 3 year old < 1299106519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: re somalia < 1299106523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"US looking at new moves on Somalia piracy-Clinton‎" < 1299106531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT HOW WILL THEY GET THEIR MUSIC AND SOFTWARE < 1299106651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the other form of piracy. < 1299106661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299106803 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299106919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:06:46 hmm, elliott disappeared < 1299106921 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299106926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: don't worry, i came back < 1299106932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you wish to consult me on, pilgrim? < 1299106998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:40:57 (i _suppose_ others might have been reading too, but they didn't say so) < 1299106998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was, hours later! < 1299107007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my future self was with you during that explanation. < 1299107133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:03:47 oh right, the US health system is insane < 1299107133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:04:01 work or die < 1299107137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's not a bug, it's a feature!" < 1299107156 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-8-156.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299107233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice. < 1299107243 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :328) Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice. < 1299107299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:14:26 Sgeo, please inform him of this and that the disagreement is backed up by an unemployed mathematician, a programmer whose greatest achievement is a JS game and a 16-year-old. < 1299107304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :together, they fight crime! < 1299107319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:14:47 Sgeo: he is wrongly assuming uniformity of the two options he has made for each coin < 1299107319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:15:12 oerjan: Oh, so now it *is* a coin? :p < 1299107322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, those pesky six-sided coins! < 1299107336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:15:57 Sgeo: you should have made him a large bet :D < 1299107336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299107373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:23:33 Sgeo, die rather than coin. < 1299107373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMUNISM OR DEATH < 1299107444 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299107488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:05:32 fungot: The sword alone can't stop! < 1299107489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:05:32 fizzie: like, thanks princess. i'll take that under advisement!! < 1299107489 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! geez! i see you're dressing...normally again!? you're joking!? < 1299107489 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there! there it is! but by the time we're through with you, you'll be in danger. open hatch. < 1299107489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299107495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *That sword, btw < 1299107503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if i remember my fungot correctly. < 1299107503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop, crono! < 1299107546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:13:18 Hah, http://www.alilg.com/arcade-games/Fizzie-15731.html "Game description: Simple, fun and addictive, the goal is simply to maneuver Fizzie around the screen and capture the rising bubbles." I seem to be... quite spiky. < 1299107554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, that's Fizzie; you're obviously fizzie. < 1299107579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:13:35 Is it just me who hates "CE"? < 1299107579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:14:13 No, instead of "AD". < 1299107579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'RE TAKIN' OOR CHRISTIANITY < 1299107662 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299107698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:41:44 q: is it true that you've been bribed into secrecy? < 1299107698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1299107736 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the government is clearly involved in a conspiracy < 1299107745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: No, it's not. < 1299107759 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: proof < 1299107776 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299107776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Burden of proof is on you; you are the one making the extraordinary claim. < 1299107778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is your proof? < 1299107809 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is more likely for a conspiracy to exist than for one not to exist < 1299107814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: By what evidence? < 1299107870 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by the evidence that conspiracies are common < 1299107888 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as evidenced by the internet < 1299107892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: What is your evidence for that? And how does it generalise to the fact that the US government is *huge* and not exactly centralised? < 1299107896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what exactly is this conspiracy's goals? < 1299107920 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that much about the conspiracy; just that it exists < 1299108012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I don't know why I keep humouring you by prodding your inane assertions with requests for clarifications, you're clearly an idiot who tries to appear intellectual by spouting unsubstantiated bullshit. < 1299108028 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: obviously. < 1299108055 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299108069 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is #esoteric after all < 1299108088 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299108107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the conspiracy is to cover up how powerful term rewriting is. < 1299108362 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299108646 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299108684 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299108692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hundred = one drop sun. WELL DUHHH < 1299109415 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees insane people
< 1299109418 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing out of the ordinary. < 1299109730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really get the strong feeling that math education's ordering is based on when things were first discovered, rather than anything that makes sense at all. < 1299109744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On up through post-secondary. < 1299109851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone give me a rationale for defining many different objects and reïterating, except much more tediously, that they form a group, a monoid, a field, etc., before teaching those damned concepts? < 1299109857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone at all? < 1299109902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An advocate of New Math, then? < 1299109910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not *quite*. < 1299109974 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1299109980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299109998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That Tae Kim fellow doesn't appear to like Remembering the Kanji < 1299110003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But there is no damned reason to teach these after you're already dealing with the concept of freaking vector spaces. < 1299110020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he seems to misunderstand RTK. < 1299110031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: CLEARLY HE IS A MORON < 1299110057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, his conception of RTK seems to be defined by some of the morons who have started on RTK. < 1299110061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the problem with new math was that it wasn't preceded by New Logic and English wasn't eliminated and ;D < 1299110076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok new math was probably a legitimately bad idea, but i'm aaaall for teaching useless theory to 3 year olds) < 1299110104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I hope this ranks #1 in google for “Heisig douche bag” (Updated)" < 1299110106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guy has class < 1299110108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some people actually think that finishing RTK will get you full, complete literacy. < 1299110139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Even so, after over 50 comments, nobody has stepped forth and met my challenge by saying, “Yes, I can write whole words and sentences like a native using his methods.”" < 1299110145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ya, i forgot the part in the preface where he was all like < 1299110151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you know all the kanji (all of them) < 1299110155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be able to WRITE SENTENCES!! < 1299110158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECTLY!!!! < 1299110170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When really, all it will do is make kanji not a barrier to entry. < 1299110194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[If that’s not enough to incite you into commenting, here some more fodder. < 1299110194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it’s better to teach casual Japanese before polite Japanese. It sounds crazy I know, but first of all, it’s how all native speakers started out as kids so it can’t be that bad. Second, it’s much more useful grammatically and socially if you’re in high school or college. Finally, I worked at one of the largest, oldest, and most traditional Japanese companies in Tokyo and “business Japanese” was just putting “desu” and “ < 1299110194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :masu” at the end of every sentence. The rest is knowing phrases like 「いつもお世話になっております」, honorific/humble, and vocabulary that’s too difficult for beginners anyway.]] < 1299110199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err does heisig actually contradict that < 1299110203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is he just trying to get people to flame < 1299110212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Heisig doesn't ever claim that at all. < 1299110224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, doesn't contradict it at all. < 1299110243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall some interviews with Heisig saying that his further Japanese learning involved comics and talking with kids. < 1299110257 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299110258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which suggests that he first learned casual Japanese. :P < 1299110318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, Tae Kim seems to be trolling there. < 1299110331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm, do comics et al (SHUT UP I KNOW IT'S "ETC", "ET AL" IS NICER) not use the politeness crap? < 1299110356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Manga and anime in particular are much less likely to use the politeness crap. < 1299110359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rite < 1299110387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what about like, novels < 1299110415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Narration will generally be polite, but not necessarily, and dialog will be, well, entirely natural. < 1299110450 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299110464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the transformation from casual to merely *polite* form is actually fairly trivial. < 1299110544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the higher forms of politeness that are somewhat difficult, courtesy in large part to having to replace certain verbs with more humble or honorific verbs. < 1299110582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though even then, it's *maybe* 20 verbs that do that, and for the rest it's a regular transformation?) < 1299110587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?/./ < 1299110625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, as I said, that feature of Japanese seems to be in the process of dying out. < 1299110687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Yeah, Tae Kim seems quite misinformed on Heisig. But his guide on grammar I still find to be an invaluable resource. < 1299110713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rite. < 1299110789 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g229028024.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299110944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, most everyone's idea on how to introduce basic Japanese grammar is motherfucking retarded. < 1299110951 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299110970 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, regarding oil prices, it seems that WTI prices are exceptionally low (in the past, WTI and others have been highly correlated, but seems that the correlation has broken a bit lately). < 1299110979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1299111082 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299111284 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Other again failed to realize that it was me texting. < 1299111925 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299112005 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299113144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, ICANN *really* need to be made independent of the US. < 1299113155 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs, even. < 1299113281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those who are unaware, ICANN *contracts with the US federal government* to administrate DNS. I am not fucking kidding. < 1299113341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh, and all of IANA. < 1299113491 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299113560 0 :Ladyboy_Who_Smel!~Anon@cpe-98-154-37-244.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299113578 0 :Ladyboy_Who_Smel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helu < 1299113634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It boggles the mind that the US could, if sufficiently insane, bring down DNS. < 1299113651 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299113697 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299113707 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Ladyboy_Who_Smel < 1299113738 0 :Ladyboy_Who_Smel!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299113745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas poor Ladyboy_Who_Smel. < 1299113761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew him and/or her and/or it well. < 1299113923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, gah, the President of the United States could order the Department of Commerce to distribute an empty root zone, and bam. DNS is down. < 1299114038 0 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299114074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M T V E, M T V E < 1299114082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, that didn't come out as I wanted < 1299114190 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299114448 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299114507 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299114572 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299114681 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299114681 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299114681 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1299114911 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299114956 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299115144 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would this be a fair way of describing what happened: < 1299115159 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I either win the lottery or I don't. Therefore, I have a 50% chance of winning" < 1299115416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly fallacious. < 1299115476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is that pretty much what he did, or is there any merit in the claim that it somehow depends on whether it's discrete or binomial (and the lottery question is an example of just one of those)? < 1299115522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's a straight-up fallacy. < 1299115583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The presence of two possibilities *in no way* indicates that there is a 50% chance of either one. < 1299115618 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think whatever his "clarification" on Monday is, I'll present it here. Until then, I'm going to continue assuming he's an idiot. < 1299115872 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299116245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, how do you deal with idiot professors? < 1299116253 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1299116321 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299116363 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299116575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1299119484 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299120228 0 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-53-195.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299120719 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1299120743 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299122289 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299123123 0 :IntelMeth!~otter83@CPE-121-212-246-241.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299123340 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299123837 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299126423 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299126723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1299126848 0 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-218-144.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299126857 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey dudes < 1299126881 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while since I stopped by, but I just finished a project you folks might be able to appreciate < 1299126913 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a simple Forth VM and compiler written in PostScript: https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Four.Ps < 1299127548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a coincidence; elliott (was ehird) (seems to have pinged out and probably went to sleep) has been trying to get an x86 Forth in a boot sector. < 1299127593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, given that it's elliott, he may have given up on that. < 1299127622 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299127645 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 512 bytes is *probably* enough for at least a bootstrap compiler < 1299127646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And given that that's insanely tiny even by Forth standards, well, I wouldn't blame him. :P < 1299127699 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main challenge is that most designs require some sort of basic dictionary to begin with, and they can eat up a lot of space < 1299127729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be a bit easier if there were enough space to get a decompressor going. < 1299127733 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299127745 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPX was my next thought < 1299127757 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that only eats up a little over a hundred bytes < 1299127766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Dang. < 1299127771 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see < 1299127852 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upx.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/upx/upx/file/8a3a08e9ed7f/src/stub/src/i086-dos16.exe.S ? < 1299127873 0 :IntelMeth!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299127980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual decompression code is probably big. < 1299127997 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's hard to find good numbers < 1299128021 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know a modified form of UPX has been used in 4k intros, so the decompression stub is pretty tiny < 1299128106 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also Crinkler, which reportedly has a decompressor that is about 220 bytes: http://crinkler.net/ < 1299128206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible issues: not bare metal. < 1299128264 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in you think crinkler takes advantage of windows stuff, or are you pointing out that a bootloader has to kick into protected mode, etc in addition to whatever work you want done? < 1299128301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's likely it takes advantage of Windows stuff. < 1299128323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC elliott had getting into protected mode down to something pretty tiny. < 1299128364 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's usually only a handful of instructions, but they would probably have to go outside the decompressor < 1299128376 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes them comparatively more expensive < 1299128800 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, if anyone thinks my postscript thing is spiffy just let pikhq know and I can drop by again later < 1299128808 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all < 1299128811 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299128826 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299129585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those confuséd, RodgerTheGreat and I still have an IRC channel in common. < 1299129758 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/confused/who care/ < 1299129918 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299130120 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-161.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299130124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299130595 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299131469 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299132969 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299133117 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299134865 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299134983 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299135667 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299135747 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299135843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299135915 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299135931 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299135990 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299136041 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299136173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299136912 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299137370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm sure the conspiracy is to cover up how powerful term rewriting is. < 1299137390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x): -> (x)(x), (x)^ -> x, bitches! < 1299137419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THWART THE GOVERNMENT, PUT THAT ON T-SHIRTS! < 1299137481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:43:35 * Lymia sees insane people < 1299137481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:43:38 Nothing out of the ordinary. < 1299137493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the dead insane people you should be worried about. < 1299137649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can anyone give me a rationale for defining many different objects and reïterating, except much more tediously, that they form a group, a monoid, a field, etc., before teaching those damned concepts? < 1299137687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think maybe you need at least a couple examples first to show that the general concepts are _useful_. < 1299137884 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299137884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I hope this ranks #1 in google for “Heisig douche bag” (Updated)" < 1299137891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly just #3, it seems < 1299137964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait #2 < 1299138064 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299138550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, is that pretty much what he did, or is there any merit in the claim that it somehow depends on whether it's discrete or binomial (and the lottery question is an example of just one of those)? < 1299138559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binomial _is_ a form of discrete. < 1299138699 0 :uniqanomaly_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299138922 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299139072 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181131218.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299139199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299139200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299139290 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1299139434 0 :uniqanomaly!~ua@dynamic-78-8-217-114.ssp.dialog.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299139508 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299139725 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299140271 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299140298 0 :uniqanomaly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299140300 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299140574 0 :uniqanomaly!~ua@dynamic-78-8-212-201.ssp.dialog.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299140801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299142125 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299142307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299142440 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299143901 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299144037 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-59.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299144129 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299144354 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299144361 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299145174 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299145213 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299145555 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299148640 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299148668 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228008.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299149613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299149618 0 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299149982 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299150072 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181135061.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299150414 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299150814 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-163.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299150828 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299151444 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-247-59.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299151497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299153133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299153226 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299153236 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-16.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299153563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299153594 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299153903 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299157772 0 :webquint!803d3160@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.61.49.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299157786 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw damn < 1299157796 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia really is offline < 1299157817 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have waited too long to pay >.> < 1299157958 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to start a process, and then later connect other processes' stdout to that process's stdin temporarily? or is this the sort of thing one must use sockets for? < 1299158029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use a named fifo as the stdin of the first process; then you can write into it from different sources. < 1299158154 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait! fifos! couldn't i have a process watch /several/ fifos? < 1299158180 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how does one create a fifo from C? < 1299158269 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're writing the code that is to be the process, sure, you can watch multiple pipes if you like. < 1299158291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you're doing all the process creation from within a single program, you can just use pipe(2) and unnamed pipes. < 1299158327 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i want to be able to start all processes separately from the command line < 1299158351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... you can use mknod(2) to create named pipes. < 1299158391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With mknod(pathname, S_IFIFO, 0). < 1299158409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nitpicker would say this is POSIX and not C, though. < 1299158508 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, ias long as my target system has it, i don't mind using it < 1299158569 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this man page is hard to read < 1299158654 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the creator become the listener on this pipe or the sender? < 1299158696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, for pipe(2)? < 1299158711 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mknod(2) < 1299158729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, don't you mean mkfifo(3) then? < 1299158739 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i will < 1299158757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1299158773 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, you will what? < 1299158779 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i will use mkfifo(3) instead < 1299158829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, anyway as far as I can see, you need to open the newly created fifo after the mknod/mkfifo call < 1299158834 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299158850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, you probably want to use open() not fopen() < 1299158869 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but here's my new quandary < 1299158894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1299158896 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only want one process to read it, but a bunch of processes to write it. will the file system handle the locking for me? < 1299158928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, I don't know if that is possible < 1299158940 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if X opens it to read, then Y open it to write, writes, and closes it and then Z opens, writes, and closes, will X read both messages? < 1299158943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple writers sound like it wouldn't be supported < 1299158953 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299158970 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then what would be the best way to do that? < 1299158970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, see fifo(7) < 1299158979 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299158980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, well it depends on what you want < 1299159027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkfifo equals mknod with S_IFIFO, but I guess it's more clean w.r.t. intent. < 1299159043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, maybe a multiplexer program handling multiple fifos and then mixing the data up in one output fifo (if you need to work with programs you didn't write for the input and final output this might be easiest) < 1299159053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, or you might prefer unix sockets < 1299159067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even shared memory < 1299159089 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a central "server" process that any process, upon being started, can notify of its existence. < 1299159091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, writes of less than PIPE_BUF bytes are required to be atomic, when it comes to multiple concurrent writes. < 1299159106 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: shared memory. how to do that? < 1299159107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, then the question follows: to what end? < 1299159110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On Linux I think that's one page, i.e. 4k bytes.) < 1299159162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so you can do multiple writers to a single fifo? < 1299159167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1299159172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then webquint can use that < 1299159184 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1299159187 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i think i'm required to use that. < 1299159192 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does it work. < 1299159199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, "required"? < 1299159203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some assignment? < 1299159208 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299159217 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the question follows: required to use what? pipes? shm? < 1299159220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the writes can get interleaved if they are more than PIPE_BUF bytes and happen at the same time. < 1299159236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right. You have to adjust your data format for that < 1299159280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, anyway it looked like you needed your fifo reader in non-blocking mode if I understood " if X opens it to read, then Y open it to write, writes, and closes it and then Z opens, writes, and closes, will X read both messages?" correctly < 1299159314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why that would need a non-blocking pipe. < 1299159331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe not < 1299159334 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the FIFO reader needs to not give up on EOF, since I think a pipe reads as EOF if all the write ends are closed at the moment. < 1299159349 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "All of the data carried in this service must be done in shared memory." < 1299159360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it *is* an exercise. < 1299159361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, if you only want to notify (no payload data) simply sending SIGUSR1 or should would be easier < 1299159369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, which type of shared memory? < 1299159379 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know? < 1299159423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shm_overview(7) on linux. You could use mmap as well. < 1299159427 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299159427 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299159427 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1299159428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a rather strange assignment if they don't tell you. < 1299159435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are yet other ways < 1299159443 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there i paid the bill :P < 1299159459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't the SysV shared-memory API also included in POSIX? < 1299159476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possibly. I haven't used shared memory much < 1299159498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, in all cases with any sort of shared memory you will need some sort of locking unless you do cleaver atomic stuff < 1299159511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleaver as in "tricky to get right" < 1299159517 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://pastebin.com/uXBDHGXm this is what i am given. suggest a good structure < 1299159518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleaver as in meat-cleaver. < 1299159523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err typo < 1299159549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since you, no offence meant, seem a bit clueless about these sort of things... < 1299159594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, *ahem* It *is* your exercise. Also xen? < 1299159601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299159616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen's just an example there. < 1299159628 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes it is < 1299159636 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and i'm going to do it myself, ain't i? < 1299159641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you could go with POSIX shared memory and message queues, that sounds like a reasonable fit. < 1299159642 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looking for suggestions! < 1299159653 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does posix shared memory work? < 1299159661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, first: I have no idea about the QoS stuff there. < 1299159674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You create a shared memory object, then map it into the memory space of more than one process. < 1299159675 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i know what to do with that < 1299159678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they all see the same things there. < 1299159681 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1299159689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about shm with mmap? < 1299159691 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have to handle all the mutexes myself? < 1299159709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, likely :P < 1299159713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX has semaphores for that; a mutex is just a special case for a semaphore, after all. < 1299159727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you do need to use them explicitly, yes. < 1299159728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, of course you might get away with compare and exchange and such, depending on what you do. < 1299159744 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't you send fds over unix sockets I seem to remember? < 1299159769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for POSIX message queues, I guess whether you can use those or not depends I guess on how literally you read the "all of the data" part of the assignment. < 1299159798 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i take it to mean "any data bigger than a uint" :P < 1299159811 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, complex data structures < 1299159842 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-101.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299159852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299159863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in that case you could use message queues to pass around pointers into in-a-shared-memory-block requests, to get at least a queue abstraction for free. < 1299159868 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know of three shared memory mechanisms in a POSIX environment: shm, mmap with shared flag, the stuff that happens between threads. Especially the first two look like duplicated functionality to me < 1299159899 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so message queues i can do with fifos, but what is the interface for creating process-shared memory? < 1299159921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read that shm_overview man page for that. < 1299159945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, message queues are a special thing I *think* < 1299159971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1299159980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message queues are special, yes. But you could use a pipe as a message queue as well if you like that more. < 1299160003 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message queues have the priority thing there. < 1299160027 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what are they? < 1299160033 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not useful at all for the QoS fairness thing; it's just that it's a priority queue instead of a FIFO queue. < 1299160042 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299160059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read mq_overview if you want to use them; but it doesn't really buy you that much over a pipe, I guess. < 1299160066 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was planning on using multiple-queues-per-process to get the fairness-by-slice stuff < 1299160093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does do the "divide the stream into messages", but if all your messages are of fixed length, that's not much of a win either. < 1299160117 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does one-reader-many-writers work again? < 1299160138 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1299160197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1299160216 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why would you need a pipe at all btw? Isn't shm alone enough? < 1299160247 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so that new processes know where to find the shared memory when they start up? < 1299160257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really; you need to notify the server process somehow of a request. It can't exactly keep polling the shared memory for changes. < 1299160260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can't you name shm objects? < 1299160262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1299160277 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what fizzie said < 1299160281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use a shm object + a POSIX semaphore for signaling, I guess. < 1299160282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could sleep on a mutex on a shm page, no? < 1299160291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that's not "shm alone". < 1299160307 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is all on top of shm however < 1299160320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't start hand-building a mutex, though. < 1299160334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but doesn't posix have that already? < 1299160350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway another way if you just want to wake up the server would be sending something like SIGUSR1 < 1299160379 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway you still need a mutex... what if the server is processing another request already when you try to touch the shm? < 1299160384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signals aren't "shm alone" either; and no, I don't think POSIX has "addess in a shared-memory" style mutexes, just the POSIX semaphores, which are a different object. < 1299160396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, that's why I said a shm object alone isn't enough. :p < 1299160425 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299160426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but fifos + shm wouldn't help since you could still get the multiple requests at once scenario < 1299160439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also: mutexes are just a special case of semaphores < 1299160451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you said above too < 1299160464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : POSIX has semaphores for that; a mutex is just a special case for a semaphore, after all. < 1299160467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1299160474 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was looking for that in the backscroll.) < 1299160507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fifos + shm is probably enough if you let the calling process be responsible for managing the shared memory, and use a separate SHM object for each "connection". < 1299160528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit awkward if the reply will end up needing more space than the client provided, though. < 1299160611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm. see output of ipcs(1). I once ran into an issue with something fcgi-ish crashing and leaving stale open objects... (forgot which type)... Found out when I got an error it couldn't create a new one XD... Thus I'm strongly against one shm per connection < 1299160633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway you might get away with cmpxchg on an shm page < 1299160662 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here's what i wanted to do: when a process starts, it notifies the server, and the server replies telling it where the shared memory is and where any queues are that it is watching. when a client has a request, it puts it in a queue and includes to some pointer to where it expects the answer. the server constantly loops over all of its queues, responding to the top request in each one by putting its reply in the specified place and then wr < 1299160707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That sounds like a recipe for cpu-wasting polling. < 1299160709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :split a page/number of pages into request slots. Have a byte at the start indicating if they are in use. You could do CAS on that to atomically allocate a request slot < 1299160720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you limit yourself to linux there are futexes iirc. < 1299160724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a typo) < 1299160738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for wake up < 1299160766 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that sound like a reasonable arrangement? < 1299160767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are, but they're not especially pretty. < 1299160772 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a recipe for disaster? < 1299160773 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and I'm pretty sure modern CPUs support MWAIT which iirc means wait for write on system bus on given address. That might be kernel only though < 1299160774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You got cut off at "wr". < 1299160788 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iting a "message processed" message back to the requesting process. < 1299160858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the reply sizes are hard to guess in advance, you might want to make the server responsible for all memory management, so that it just tells the client where (in shared memory) the answer can be found. < 1299160884 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i get to decide what the service is < 1299160904 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can fix reply sizes to be...an int :P < 1299160907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, also your solution doesn't seem to sleep when there is nothing to do: "the server constantly loops over all of its queues" < 1299160942 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: good point. should the clients send a sigusr1 also? < 1299160957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what the queues are built from, really. < 1299161012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, there are many ways to do wakeup. signal is one of the easier ones certainly. Not sure what happens when you get a SIGUSR1 while you are processing another though < 1299161014 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah...fifos? :P < 1299161016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they queue? < 1299161056 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's another way to do wakeup? < 1299161061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the queues are pipes, you can just select()/poll() over the whole set, and easily receive the "these K queues out of the set of N have requests pending" info. < 1299161082 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1299161086 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it comes up zero < 1299161090 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep a bit? < 1299161099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the select/poll will already sleep until something happens. < 1299161109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can set a timeout though.) < 1299161111 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah explain < 1299161125 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to do it over the whole set i mean < 1299161134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF you can limit yourself to linux it looks like there is a system call to sleep on a specific address < 1299161154 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER: < 1299161155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTES < 1299161155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : To reiterate, bare futexes are not intended as an easy-to-use abstraction for end-users. (There is no wrapper function for this system call < 1299161155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in glibc.) Implementors are expected to be assembly literate and to have read the sources of the futex userspace library referenced below. < 1299161171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, for poll(2), you just build an array of struct pollfd's, and then call poll() on that. It will wait until something happens or your timeout expires. < 1299161181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's why I said "they're not especially pretty". < 1299161195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is no wrapper function" should definitely put you off this. I just think it should be included for completeness < 1299161266 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i like that < 1299161288 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems the way to go for sure < 1299161299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sometimes I have to say that working closer to hardware is nicer. I mean, wouldn't it be nice to just write an interrupt handler into a table and then execute some sort of sleep instruction :P Of course it would be hard to make that work efficiently on a PC in a multitasking environment... < 1299161378 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i could fill the "events" and "revents" fields with request ids. < 1299161389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you can't decide those. < 1299161398 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299161406 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused what they do then < 1299161407 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299161408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just fill in what sort of events you are looking for in .events, and get a bitmask of which ones happened in .revents. < 1299161425 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm < 1299161426 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1299161438 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299161548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it seems like it would be easier to just use a semaphore and then when you wake up scan the queues and process any requests, then go back waiting. Hopefully this won't miss requests that come in while you are processing < 1299161572 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, if there were any such it would wake you up from waiting on the semaphore right away) < 1299161582 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like i set events by ORing together a bunch of these POLLIN POLLOUT POLLPRI etc. things, and revents is set by poll when it returns? < 1299161588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know this can be done with threading stuff at least < 1299161590 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/when/before/ < 1299161610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't see how that's at all easier than an old-fashioned poll/select when the requests are coming in from file descriptors. Especially with that "hope you don't miss any wakeups" problem. < 1299161631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least poll will unambiguously say "there's data waiting in this here pipe" to you. < 1299161657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well that bit is solved by poll and such < 1299161658 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299161717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: wakeup, read a number of bytes, process anything you find. go back to poll. The data in the pipe wouldn't matter < 1299161778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still this has the issue of allocating requests in the shared memory... hm < 1299161782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this "wakeup" from? I mean, if you "go back to poll", do you mean "wake up from poll"? < 1299161797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wakeup == wakeup from poll telling you there is stuff on the pipe < 1299161801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1299161849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nurr, so confused. So if that's what you advocate -- and it's exactly what I said, too -- how exactly is using a semaphore easier? < 1299161861 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, i don't see any reason to actually use shm anymore. i think i could just run all data through the queues :P < 1299161887 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shared-memory communication can theoretically speaking be a bit more efficient. < 1299161896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to copy things via a pipe buffer and so on. < 1299161930 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1299161939 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go ahead and use it < 1299162003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nurr, so confused. So if that's what you advocate -- and it's exactly what I said, too -- how exactly is using a semaphore easier? <-- conceptually it is! < 1299162012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically it is not < 1299162120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the far-earlier thing about Unix domain sockets and file descriptors, yes, you can pass the latter over the former. (So you could build a system where the Unix domain socket is the way how your client finds the server; and then the server pipe(2)s some unnamed fifos for per-client communications, and sends those over the socket to the client.) < 1299162132 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how much that feature is actually used. < 1299162145 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly haven't run across any system doing it. < 1299162178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm what is the function for sending a fd? < 1299162187 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The only portable use of mknod() is to create a FIFO-special file. If mode is not S_IFIFO or dev is not 0, the behav- ior of mknod() is unspecified." < 1299162189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shm_open()'d handle is, I think, technically a file descriptor too, so you could pass those too instead of using names. < 1299162195 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words UDS is not portable < 1299162204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, uds? < 1299162226 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qi probably could get away with using it, though < 1299162227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. unix sockets < 1299162231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't use mknod for unix sockets afaik < 1299162240 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you do < 1299162243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix domain sockets are created with socket() and bind() and friends, portably. < 1299162249 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299162255 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1299162268 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299162269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I can't find the function for sending a fd < 1299162270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as portably as they go; it's not called "Unix" domain socket for nothing. < 1299162270 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the advantages of that solution? < 1299162285 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if I knew it I would nm -D /usr/bin/* and grep for it < 1299162323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it's done with sendmsg() and some of the struct msghdr fields, but I'm not entirely sure how. < 1299162348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "ancillary data" mechanism. < 1299162348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299162351 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it make more sense to use the socket to register new clients? < 1299162385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I only see stuff for sending uid there < 1299162392 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See SCM_RIGHTS. < 1299162399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh strange name < 1299162401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Send or receive a set of open file descriptors from another process." < 1299162429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, hard to grep for that < 1299162436 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: More sense than to use what? < 1299162463 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a multiple-writers fifo with a commonly-known name < 1299162483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the socket does let you send some answers back more easily. < 1299162491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fifo is strictly one-directional, after all. < 1299162529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to answer with something like "here's the queue just for you, and here's the shared memory object name I want you to use", or whatever. < 1299162605 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it didn't occur to me that the client would have anything to send to the server upon appearing < 1299162609 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1299162644 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still can't think of anything the client would need to say to the server actually < 1299162651 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to *search* the channel logs (without downloading them and running grep) < 1299162672 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google < 1299162684 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have permission to access /~coreyr/ on this server. *sigh* < 1299162691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "multiple-writers fifo" == your clients hold the write end; the server can't say anything to the clients via that. < 1299162701 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299162703 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299162710 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i meant was multiple-readers < 1299162729 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah < 1299162738 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought of some things they might want to tell the server < 1299162742 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go with the socket :P < 1299162849 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299163031 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299163043 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299163072 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so socket with AF_UNIX creates a UDS...seems like datagrams would be sufficient here...it's been so long since i've used these functions O_O < 1299163301 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299163305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you usually bind() it with a sockaddr_un structure that has a path name in it. < 1299163314 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299163387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, a path on the filesystem? < 1299163411 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the client connects using connect() with the same path? < 1299163448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with datagram sockets you don't need to connect() them necessarily. < 1299163498 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh - script + grep works < 1299163571 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it looks like you need to in order to use a socket on the client end? how else would it work? < 1299163634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a SOCK_DGRAM socket you can send without connecting, with sendto or sendmsg with the name field specified. < 1299163653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A connect() call just sets a default target address for it. < 1299163707 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would the client receive dgrams from it? poll(2)? < 1299163722 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh that can't be enough < 1299163724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, you just recv/read. < 1299163726 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299163768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite sure how it works with unnamed datagram unix sockets and reply-sending, actually. < 1299163796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299163843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With stream sockets, your server would listen() + accept() a second socket that would represent a connetion between the client and the server. < 1299163893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just send a datagram from an unnamed socket, I'm not sure if it can be replied to. < 1299163904 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal for the client would be to write to it then immediately block on reading from it. the goal for the server would be to read from it next opportunity it gets, and write back to it. < 1299163962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't know how you "write back", since you certainly can't just write back to the server socket you've bound to the well-known path. < 1299163975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that socket isn't connected to anything. < 1299164002 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wharrgarbl. if i were to switch to connection-based sockets, then what's the point of using fifos to begin with? might as well do everything over the socket! < 1299164032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might, yes. :p < 1299164058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you already have a nice bidirectional queue there. < 1299164098 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a server like that is usually handled by having a different thread for each connection < 1299164108 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means i could kill two birds with one stone here < 1299164127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really; single-threaded select/poll-driven servers are pretty viable too. < 1299164139 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a pre-built way to do QoS with pthreads? < 1299164144 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1299164159 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice standard fractional scheduler? < 1299164177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assignment description makes the server sound pretty single-threaded. < 1299164220 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299164220 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be...but that's up to me isn't it? :P < 1299164229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for pthreads, I think the thread scheduling is pretty implementation-defined. < 1299164241 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will do it single-threaded if that's the only way to do QoS < 1299164358 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go think. bbl. < 1299164613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH < 1299164615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1299164693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pthread scheduling functions I can see seem more related to the realtime threads; there's the SCHED_FIFO/SCHED_RR schedulers, but they're I think the same as sched_setscheduler, and for usually-superuser-only realtime-ish threads, not for some sort of inside-a-process fractional scheduling. (Besides, the assignment descrption makes it sound like you have to count requests, not amount of time used to service those requests.) < 1299165001 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299165015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: May I suggest, incidentally, using my IPC library I wrote for an earlier course? It does between-process communication by sending morse code with SIGUSR1 and SIGUSR2. It's the obvious choice when efficiency is at premium. < 1299165369 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down N/A: 16k to Indonesia, 2k+1k to Japan, 3x512k+2x256k to China, 1M+256k to India, 512+256 to Thailand. No IPv6 allocations. < 1299165401 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another day, another ~0.20 burned. :-/ < 1299165435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the N/A there? (I've wondered this earlier.) < 1299165459 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, the figure does not seem to be available yet. < 1299165493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299165504 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, just got it: 0.21. < 1299165546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why it's "No IPv6 allocations" every day?-) < 1299165563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for the more with sigusr1/usr2 do you do some feedback? iirc duplicate signals can merge < 1299165570 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. :-) < 1299165604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I just do it slow enough. < 1299165612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, unreliable < 1299165644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should send a sighup back for every signal you get. Unless you use FEC? < 1299165664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's UDP. You can do an app-level protocol for that. < 1299165693 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299165700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when you said morse, did it encode using morse or did it just use them for 0/1 ? < 1299165751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, udp still does checksum though, no? < 1299165793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA <-- what about it? (should I check the news today?) < 1299165805 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1299165805 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1299165826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does the morse code encodings with USR1 = short, USR2 = long, and then timings (pauses) for symbol boundaries. < 1299165826 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why Somalia as opposed to, for example, Sudan? < 1299165839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes but does it use the morse alphabet I meant < 1299165842 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1299165848 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299165862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so you have to base64 or something first to send binary data? XD < 1299165877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I conclude it is just you being random then < 1299165883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've used just USR1 with timings tho. < 1299165888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now away. < 1299165892 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1299165906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: People have already figured out why I'm screaming SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1299165935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that is a very generic statement. What set of people? < 1299165955 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMALI MINISTRY OF POST AND TELECOMMUNICATIOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS < 1299165998 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, people here < 1299166008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMPT, If it had worked out to SMTP... < 1299166048 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION links Vorpal
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ACTION waits
< 1299166110 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that type of link < 1299166111 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299166116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I see < 1299166121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1299166320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, what's Sgeo been saying? < 1299166357 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrn2logread < 1299166360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Gregor's ultimate aim in life is to own libc.so. < 1299166393 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, let him fgure it out himself < 1299166398 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave a crappy hint.. < 1299166410 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1299166419 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't really figure it out without having seen it mentioned. < 1299166599 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299166599 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, somebody could figure it out maybe :P < 1299166714 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hotels and other businesses have hired private security militias to provide protection and ensure the normal course of business." Somalia sounds like an awesome tourist destination. < 1299166793 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299166864 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fwdb3/maybe_an_odd_question_but_what_exactly_are_these/ < 1299166871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of times I've asked that question... < 1299166912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lollercopters < 1299166960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm $AGE, my dad is an accountant and my mom is a teacher, and I've worked in cubicles my whole life. My question is, what ARE these labor jobs? How do you work all day lifting, breaking, cutting, carrying, or building things? < 1299166964 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299166991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that bit is a bit stupid, but I have never actually learnt what such people *do*. < 1299167657 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299167743 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1299168659 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299168790 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299168805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here happen to know of any good open source Algol 60 compiles? < 1299168807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compilers? < 1299168813 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1299168816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm guessing no, but hoping...) < 1299168834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: we're trying to work out whether call-by-name Fibonacci is faster in hardware or software < 1299168849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we had it physically running on an FPGA a few minutes ago) < 1299168852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, Gregor's ultimate aim in life is to own libc.so. <-- oh that. For some reason it seems I tried hard to forget that.. :P < 1299168869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the issue is, where are we going to find a call-by-name programming language for the software test? < 1299168896 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe http://www.gnu.org/software/marst/ < 1299168940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not filled with confidence based on the homepage, but I'll likely try it anyway < 1299168973 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, neither am I :P < 1299168981 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But beggars can't be choosers :P < 1299169002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (we had it physically running on an FPGA a few minutes ago) <-- I suspect there are ways much more suited to an FPGA to calculate Fibonacci.. Such as a simple iterative algorithm counting up. < 1299169022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there are < 1299169031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point isn't that it's a good way to do fibonacci, because it isn't < 1299169031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have here somewhere a book about how you manually and mechanically translate an ALGOL-60 program to FORTRAN-II or FORTRAN-IV. But I wouldn't exactly suggest that. < 1299169062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how comes you have such a book!? < 1299169071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that it's a terrible way to do fibonacci, but it works on hardware anyway even though it's really badly suited to it < 1299169108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Got it for 2 EUR or 5 EUR or something like that from the university library's semi-annual "let's get rid of some old books we have that nobody needs" event. < 1299169121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly full of computer-model-specific stuff. < 1299169138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, of course it works on hardware, since software runs on hardware that means it must be possible in hardware if it is possible in software. < 1299169165 0 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299169166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1299169169 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1299169173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, of course it works on hardware, since software runs on hardware that means it must be possible in hardware if it is possible in software. < 1299169190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but I mean without cheating by embedding an interp < 1299169196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah okay < 1299169241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this seems to work < 1299169245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step: learn algol 60 < 1299169252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haha < 1299169255 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299169285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be too bad, because I deal with idealized algol, the mathematical idealization of it, all the time < 1299169292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I need to do is learn pointless things like syntax < 1299169313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, idealized algol? pseudo code? < 1299169327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's algol minus all the things that make it practical < 1299169339 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why do you use that!? < 1299169342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, lambda calculus, plus a few imperative things like if and while, plus variables < 1299169346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299169356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because it's a good model for imperative and functional programming < 1299169367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299169586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299169605 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299170529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go: http://sprunge.us/APhW < 1299170532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't take long to write at all < 1299170549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue was placing semicolons in the wrong places, because Algol and C use them with different meanings < 1299170575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the indentation there is weird, I fear that's what GNU indentation style looks like for Algol 60 < 1299170936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thanks < 1299170953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the homepage seems a little out of date, seven years to be precise < 1299170958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the compiler's moved on at least slightly since then < 1299170966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked just fine < 1299170987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more surprisingly, the resulting C, while obviously generated, I didn't find too hard to read, and it corresponds to the Algol program relatively literally < 1299171004 0 :wetneb!~berthe@dan75-6-82-239-12-53.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299171347 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is surprising. < 1299171369 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's intended as an Algol->C transition tool more than a Algol compiler that happens to use C. < 1299171404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it < 1299171412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's full of thunks and that sort of thing < 1299171416 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1299171496 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299171649 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299171707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299171835 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299171856 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299171995 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rofl. thanks for the offer. i would if external code were permitted ;P < 1299172036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice FFSPG is still on top (where they belong) < 1299172225 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299172256 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :45PABVJ9N < 1299172342 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299172392 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299172456 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I tried to find the book and couldn't; weird. I did find two other books from the same place: Seven-Place Values of Trigonometric Functions, compiled by Dr. J. Peters (contains sin and tan in 0.001 degree increments with 7 decimal digits of accuracy, printed in 1942) and Automata Theory: Machines and Languages. < 1299172520 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299172582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trig-table book has this on a sticker inside the front cover: "This book has been presented to Finland by the Government of the United States of America, under public law 265, 81st congress, as an expression of the friendship and good will which the people of the United States hold for the people of Finland." < 1299172585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, y'know, thanks for that, people of the United States on-channel. < 1299172587 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1299172592 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299172647 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" During the years 1950-67, Finnish academic libraries received books, periodicals, and other materials, such as microfilm readers, as gifts in excess of $650,000 from the United States. The activity was based on a law passed by the U.S. Congress that had turned Finnish payments on the interest and principal of loans acquired from the United States after World War I into a fund. Out of the fund, grants for travel in the United States were given to Finnish rese < 1299172647 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :archers and specialists so that they could acquire American scientific and scholarly books as well as technical equipment for Finnish higher education institutions. " < 1299172709 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299172738 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299172777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How noble. < 1299172804 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1299172815 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for paying your debts < 1299172822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have some books. < 1299172872 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299172886 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr: US ♥ Finland, Finland ♥ USA < 1299172913 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also US ♥ USA. It's sort of a love triangle. < 1299172957 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a ? triangle < 1299172980 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat < 1299172994 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not know compose < 3 gave a heart < 1299173001 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? compose key < 1299173135 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299173214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299173333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your hearts show up as "?" signs to me; while Gregor's are hearts. < 1299173365 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blames irssi.
< 1299173390 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299173397 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're ?s to me too, I'm pretty sure they actually are just ?s though :P ) < 1299173412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299173473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais ian;t here again fff < 1299173477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ < 1299173485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god rodgerthegreat came back < 1299173507 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOO < 1299173514 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE WAS AS UNTO A BROTHER UNTO ME < 1299173551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:19:45 For those confuséd, RodgerTheGreat and I still have an IRC channel in common. < 1299173556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very confuséd. < 1299173636 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see both mine and gregor's hearts... < 1299173650 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299173680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if it's not utf-8, you are as unto a murderer < 1299173730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:35:49 Vorpal: "All of the data carried in this service must be done in shared memory." < 1299173731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:36:00 Oh, so it *is* an exercise. < 1299173737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see #esoteric has finally become #homework-help < 1299173899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:30:51 Is there a way to *search* the channel logs (without downloading them and running grep) < 1299173902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: download them and run grep < 1299173912 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this may be because i can't send unicode because i recode it to ISO_8859-1 before sending... < 1299173912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: use Gregor's hg repository < 1299173916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only about 70 megabytes < 1299173916 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno < 1299173917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your hypothesis, it is reasonable. < 1299173938 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so the way i'd go about using shm is 1) shm_open some commonly known named memory object 2) have each process mmap that object and sem_init a semaphore at the beginning of it 3) have each process sem_wait on that semaphore before writing, and when that returns 0, it means that process has locked the object and can write it? < 1299173947 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299173947 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299173948 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1299173969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:44:58 meh - script + grep works < 1299173973 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299173975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: don't use a script, use the hg repo :P < 1299173986 0 :45PABVJ9N!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1299174024 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299174024 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174136 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@p4FF68FA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174137 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299174137 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174226 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174226 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299174226 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299174406 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299174442 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299174443 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1299174454 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:22:37 no, it's a ? triangle < 1299174510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:23:00 oh neat < 1299174511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:23:14 did not know compose < 3 gave a heart < 1299174511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:23:21 ? compose key < 1299174513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your client, it is the broken. < 1299174554 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. your attitude is broken and i don't appreciate it. < 1299174560 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-87.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Your face is broken. < 1299174604 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299174614 0 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174615 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can send ♥ just fine when i want to < 1299174626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluh bluh bluh < 1299174741 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299174741 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299174747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -l nnn, --linewidth nnn < 1299174747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : desirable output line width (50 <= nnn <= 255); < 1299174747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : default: -l 72 < 1299174754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, marst must be at least partly meant to be a readable translator < 1299174791 0 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174835 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181135061.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174879 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1299174891 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a nifty feature i didn't know my client had < 1299174924 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you see this: ♥ < 1299174928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299174932 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1299174965 0 :comex_!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299174975 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299174975 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299174975 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299175018 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175043 0 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175043 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299175049 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299175049 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175057 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175059 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299175059 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175157 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ilari < 1299175278 0 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175367 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175526 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299175560 0 :Ilari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299175596 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299175658 0 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175763 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175864 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-87.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299175954 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299176003 0 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299176008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299176010 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299176012 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299176012 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299176013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:17:40 There was a good brainf*ck debugger somewhere? < 1299176016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha, fizzie is the prude. < 1299176018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prudes. < 1299176022 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299176022 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299176029 0 :Ilari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ilari_antrcomp < 1299176039 0 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001f5b00390f-CM001225d878d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299176039 0 :p_q!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299176039 0 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299176062 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where is the hg repo ? < 1299176084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1299176186 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299176380 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299176381 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299176387 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299176407 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299176513 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299176841 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1299177127 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1299177140 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you running forth code yet? < 1299177150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no < 1299177159 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why!? < 1299177224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: haven't got keyboard input working yet :) < 1299177238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: scancode->ascii is going to take quite some bytes unless i'm reaally smart < 1299177259 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just store everything as scancodes? :P < 1299177269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: text memory is in ascii < 1299177284 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, didn't think about that < 1299177313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me a minute to realise too :) < 1299177334 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting vga to display scancodes as text may very well be harder than translating scancodes to ascii to start with < 1299177345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed :P < 1299177426 0 :wetneb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299177468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIOS has the translation table somewhere, most likely, since it needs to offer keyboard handling routines. < 1299177476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though you can't call them, you could lift data from there. < 1299177487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That sounds, er, portable X-D < 1299177506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, you just provide different builds for each BIOS vendor/version/build/hotfix combination. < 1299177530 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could run the BIOS's keyboard interrupt handler in VM86 mode? :D < 1299177546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: getting in and out of vm86 mode seems like it'd take a lot more code than anything else :P < 1299177573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and you can even quasi-portably perhaps lift the interrupt handler address from the interrupt vector table you see at boot-time. < 1299177601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, just use the scancodes as ascii, and tell the user your system is using an "improved" keyboard layout. < 1299177639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299177644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299177649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't i call the bios in real mode? < 1299177651 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have code to switch back and forth between PM and RM and use the bios' read character function < 1299177657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just flipping the relevant bit of cr0 twice per bios call < 1299177675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1299177677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unreal mode < 1299177686 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's not quite that simple, but not THAT much harder < 1299177713 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bios is likely to change a lot of segment registers to get its work done < 1299177726 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so it's a lot like the original bootstrap switch to PM) < 1299178080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I could easily make "protect" a routine :P < 1299178098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think the BIOS clobbers segments, though < 1299178109 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clobbers, but restores < 1299178113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: then it's no problem < 1299178119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people use unreal mode for the express purpose of flat memory with bios calls, after all < 1299178147 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't restore them to the unreal-mode segments < 1299178165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: why not? < 1299178185 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the meaning of loading a value into a segment register changes depending on which mode you're in < 1299178198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but the bios is magical, isn't it? < 1299178204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll just set the shadow things directly < 1299178241 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it reads out the selector "8", stores (address/16), then stores back "8", that now sets the base to 8*16 and the limit to 64k :) < 1299178264 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the bios is not magical :) it's just code < 1299178328 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might use unreal mode internally, I guess, or even system-management mode, but I think it still can't possibly tell that the 8 (or whatever) you gave it is supposed to be an offset in a GDT < 1299178410 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless it makes sure not to touch any segment registers at all, bios calls should mess up unreal mode < 1299178431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the bios is magical code! < 1299178446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: anyway the whole _point_ of unreal mode is to use the bios < 1299178448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i doubt that < 1299178483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, the bigger DOS apps already run in 32-bit mode and just pop back to real mode when needing the BIOS." < 1299178592 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, actual real mode is simple < 1299178611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299178621 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299178655 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299178663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe I'll write a program that takes an {input,output} table and tries to write the shortest-assembling x86 code to map them < 1299178683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299178702 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like fun actually :) < 1299178710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDECIDABLE PROBLEM HURF DURF < 1299178718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds incredibly non-trivial... are there any executable semantics of x86? :-D < 1299178720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Yeah, bochs!") < 1299178741 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose a subset of useful instructions and their flags < 1299178744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: turingmachineologist! < 1299178772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have a feeling US scancodes and ASCII are unrelated enough that it'd basically end up as big as a table < 1299178781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, i don't need a full table < 1299178788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-9, a-z, maybe A-Z, some punctuation < 1299178789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1299178828 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the scancodes are just whatever bits come out of the keyboard matrix when you press those keys < 1299178833 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less, anyway < 1299178839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, yes < 1299178856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: which is why i doubt there's a convenient table < 1299178867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of qwerty being so random :) < 1299178871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i made the alphabetical keys be alphabetical < 1299178875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then digits and alphabet would be fine :P < 1299178878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but typing would be a bitch < 1299178898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, all the important scan codes are small numbers. < 1299178903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't need a full table. < 1299178911 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only a-f and 0-9 you can input hex < 1299178932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's true. < 1299178939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even need the return key. :p < 1299178940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-z and A-Z are the same scancodes, anyway. < 1299178944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1299178947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And who needs uppercase? < 1299178957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I do need to handle shift for some punctuation... < 1299178962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i might be able to avoid that < 1299178968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :map [ and ] to @ and ! < 1299178973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; to : and ' to ; < 1299178978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ to . < 1299178980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1299178981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299178984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. has its own unshifted key :D < 1299179053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do scancodes up to space (57), you'll end up getting pretty much everything in the "main block", plus esc. < 1299179079 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 58 bytes of scancode map? < 1299179099 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there *any* that map to consecutive ranges of ascii? < 1299179107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the digits? < 1299179114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789 are. < 1299179119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't need tab, or caps lock, or any modifier keys. Backspace would be nice. < 1299179120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 0 comes after 9 in scan code order. < 1299179147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it really takes about 75 bytes (optimistic guess) to read and translate keyboard input, then that's like 130 bytes for keyboard and protected mode. < 1299179157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaving only a worrying 380 for, you know, Forth. < 1299179190 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tabs and enters and ctrls like that are interspersed in-between the qwe, asd, zxc rows, annoyingly. < 1299179225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: At least I can just put dud entries in there... < 1299179229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the first "useful" character, say, 1? < 1299179236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. how many bytes can I chop off? < 1299179242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess pretty low, alas. < 1299179318 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be more than, say, three to make sub foo,n pay off < 1299179336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, I expect the F-row comes first. < 1299179338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what do I know. < 1299179356 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect so too, depends on if it's row-major or column-major? < 1299179377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The tabs and enters and ctrls like that are interspersed in-between the qwe, asd, zxc rows, annoyingly. < 1299179383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess row. < 1299179397 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's ESC first, but then almost instantly digits. < 1299179400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. < 1299179416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Preferably* the F-keys and the like would just do nothing, but I would also accept random behaviour and crashes if it saves bytes. :p < 1299179417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fx keys come after the main block, for some reason. < 1299179440 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there are three sets of scancodes though < 1299179465 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the keyboard controller automatically translates to set 1, but I wonder if that can be turned off :) < 1299179477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Define "almost" instantly, anyway. :p < 1299179503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I can handle backspace in a few bytes, I think < 1299179516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either just decrementing the result string pointer, or restarting the read-word procedure < 1299179523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backspace is for the weak. < 1299179530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real men don't make mistaks. < 1299179546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indad. < 1299179553 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can handle Esc to clear all input and restart < 1299179562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmhmm, word names. The alphabet fits into 5 bits. < 1299179577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could pack 6.4 letters-plus-a-bit into one word. < 1299179598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, that gives me 6 free characters. < 1299179607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could do some fancier encoding. < 1299179623 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That .4 letters is really valuable. < 1299179631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Totally. < 1299179657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of the standard Forth words have non-alphabetic names (@, ! and so on) but of course you can just ignore that. < 1299179673 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 < 32 < 1299179676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In reality it's 6 32-choices plus a 4-choice < 1299179680 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He still has space for some non-alphabet < 1299179685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1299179709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I was saying, if I had some "fancier encoding", I could even make those have less-than-five-bit representations. But that maybe isn't worth it. < 1299179722 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, is the process of converting that to/from ASCII for read/display more expensive than storing it that way? < 1299179725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I could make the dword be [two flags][name as 6 x 32-choices]. < 1299179734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno what the flags would be, though :P < 1299179749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, obviously the name field won't be in ASCII. < 1299179750 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299179761 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is 'A'-1 btw < 1299179762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably read-word should return a name thing. < 1299179771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do need to turn things into ASCII eventually. :p < 1299179775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For, you know, display. < 1299179779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, 's my point :P < 1299179807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what's a Forth dictionary entry again usually? < 1299179811 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just store ascii-64, and 0 will be @ < 1299179816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name, pointer to interpreter, plus code? < 1299179823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "code" is likely to be a list of words or whatnot. < 1299179832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or in fact valid asm threaded code.) < 1299179838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: heh < 1299179849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that wouldn't fit all the stuff I need into 5 bits, I don't think < 1299179861 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he does still need NULL completion ... < 1299179869 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/completion/termination/ < 1299179878 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or SOMETHING termination anyway. < 1299179886 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since not all words are exactly 6 characters long. < 1299179888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, I was planning to reserve 0 for termination. < 1299179890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something-padding, maybe. < 1299179914 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 characters should be enough anyway, so just make every identifier exactly 6 characters long? < 1299179928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, I could terminate with "a"s. < 1299179936 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*30 bits long < 1299179941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So @ = @a = @aa = @aaa = @aaaa = @aaaaa. < 1299179942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299179958 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's not terrible, but maybe use something a tad more obscure than 'a' < 1299179964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Possibly :P < 1299179975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that this character set doesn't include digits... < 1299179979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :36 > 32. < 1299179985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But OTOH, the only time you really need digits is for actual integer literals. < 1299179987 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using 'a' for that is plenty obscure I think < 1299179989 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digits are for pussies. < 1299179993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could consider them as not actually real words. < 1299180004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorForth does this packing-name-into-a-word thing, but it uses Shannon coding or something similarly fancy. < 1299180018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than a string of 8-bit characters, colorForth interprets pre-parsed words. A word starts with 4 bits that indicate its color and function - text, number, etc. Then 28 bits of left-justified, Shannon-coded characters, averaging 5.2 bits each. Numbers are stored in binary. Each word occupies 1 or more 32-bit memory locations. < 1299180038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, one of those two free bits could be used to indicate "integer". < 1299180045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So integer literals would be 30-bit. < 1299180050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even < 1299180053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1... -> 31-bit integer < 1299180055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x... -> word < 1299180058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the x is a flag for... something. < 1299180073 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But how will I gag lady gaga? < 1299180087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Name, interpreter pointer, code -- what else goes into a Forth dictionary entry again? < 1299180090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from a "next" pointer. :p < 1299180107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I might make my dictionary an actual contiguous array, to avoid all those expensive pointers and whatnot.) < 1299180136 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: looks like you were cut off after "But how will I g" ... < 1299180147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner: But how will I gag lady gaga? < 1299180153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, lol < 1299180157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a isn't a terminator < 1299180160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say < 1299180162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abc" < 1299180165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd just turn into < 1299180168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abcaaa" < 1299180175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that you'd just compare words for equality directly. < 1299180184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that whenever read-word encounters a space, it "a"s out the rest :P < 1299180223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is all fine and dandy, I just think that 'a' isn't sufficiently obscure since I want to gag lady gaga (I actually couldn't find any other ambiguities like this X-P ) < 1299180257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I'm doing qwerty, maybe "q" would work as a terminator somehow. :p < 1299180264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I keep letters in qwerty-order. < 1299180274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gagqqq, gagaqq < 1299180304 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping letters in QWERTY-order. < 1299180307 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best idea ever? < 1299180324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, it's how the keyboard sends them X-D < 1299180355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that still true? I thought that true layout scancodes had dropped off. < 1299180363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: olsner: CONFIRM/DENY < 1299180370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, it translates them into the "common" scancode format before sending, I think. < 1299180376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least olsner implied that! < 1299180384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be true for an USB HID keyboard, physically speaking. < 1299180404 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am no hardware guy, don't trust me :P < 1299180405 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB uses the same scan code set actually < 1299180409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. But I'm talking ports and stuff. < 1299180412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, like, so PS/2. < 1299180417 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculously enough < 1299180514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind having only 5 letters per word, you could just store lowest 6 bits of the scancode to make the reading part slightly simpler... but not by much, assuming you actually want to provide keyboard echo for the user. < 1299180540 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way he's going to have to translate to ASCII, but he doesn't want to store in ASCII. < 1299180560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So storing in 6-bits-o-scancode or 6-bits-o-ASCII is basically equivalent :P < 1299180569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm thinking that I'll make the reading for "hello" go like qqqqqq -> hqqqqq -> heqqqq -> helqqq -> hellqq -> helloq, internally. And I'll just have some kind of "replace-screen-line-with-word". < 1299180573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So read-word will basically go: < 1299180579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read char; merge in; replace screen line with word; repeat. < 1299180585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That handles keyboard echo and also "output". < 1299180599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual string output is left as an exercise to the reader, but you will probably be able to do something like < 1299180601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 bits of scancode has more reasonable values, I think. But of course 6 bits of ascii-64 is very good too. < 1299180602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345 emit < 1299180605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe it'll do what you want :P < 1299180607 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299180641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mm. < 1299180645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about five bits of ascii-64? :P < 1299180647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1299180650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That requires ASCII translation. < 1299180657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any such trickery should be done with scancodes only :P < 1299180665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 5 bits of scancode like, apart from terrible? < 1299180673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to do without the letter "m"!!! < 1299180695 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scan code 31 is S. < 1299180709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which Chuck Moore doesn't understand compression: < 1299180710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Incidently, the resulting bit string is not only compressed, but encrypted. A casual viewer can make no sense of it. Without this description and appropriate software it is not comprehensible. Looking at a dump of the bit string is extremely confusing. I'll prepare some examples of decompressed and compressed code soon." < 1299180713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*encryption: < 1299180715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd get qwertyuiopas from the alphabet. < 1299180721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Perfect! < 1299180725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewit < 1299180731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap < 1299180736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup < 1299180741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ower < 1299180748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouer! :P < 1299180769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the BIOS thing to read a key from the keyboard? < 1299180775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwertyuiopas sounds like a rather bad disease to catch < 1299180784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna see if going into unprotected mode will "work" X-P < 1299180833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say "look it up from Ralf Brown's interrupt list", but that thing is so huge finding anything is a chore. < 1299180850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, yes, I'm trying that. < 1299180856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/keyboard/ in both the 10 and 13 lists yields naught. < 1299180862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done this before tho :P < 1299180870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though; what an annoying abbreviation. < 1299180871 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffuu, "character bios" has a meaning in the other world < 1299180878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Which other world... < 1299180880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1299180881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1299180883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1299180891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "bios" category is sensible. < 1299180897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"read key with bios" helps a little bit. < 1299180907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm just using an interrupt-number-indexed list with garish background. < 1299180916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ctyme.com/intr/int-10.htm < 1299180917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ctyme.com/intr/int-13.htm < 1299180919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int 09h, AH=0. < 1299180921 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says there is such a thing as int 16h, function 00h < 1299180933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ctyme.com/intr/int-09.htm < 1299180935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Er, you sure?" < 1299180939 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 16h, yes. < 1299180946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16h. Huh. < 1299180951 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09h​ IRQ1: Called after every key press and release (as well as during the time when a key is being held) < 1299180955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ctyme.com/intr/rb-1754.htm < 1299180957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't read them pages. < 1299180963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One wonders if this actually yields ass-key. < 1299180977 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IRQ could also be used, of course :D < 1299180991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1299180997 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://webpages.charter.net/danrollins/techhelp/0229.HTM < 1299181001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The get-keystroke gives scan codes. < 1299181006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The BIOS scan code is usually, but not always, the same as the hardware scan code processed by INT 09. It is the same for ASCII keystrokes and most unshifted special keys (F-keys, arrow keys, etc.), but differs for shifted special keys." < 1299181012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I swear there's a convenient BIOS ass-key function for this ... < 1299181020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear I've _used_ it < 1299181034 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page says: AL ASCII character code or extended ASCII keystroke < 1299181047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expects: AH 00H < 1299181047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ < 1299181050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ! < 1299181061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it gives both. < 1299181072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Return: < 1299181072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH = BIOS scan code < 1299181072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AL = ASCII character < 1299181076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1299181091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember a biographies function that did it rather than going straight to the keybored. < 1299181095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(biographies = BIOS. Obviously.) < 1299181117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will teraye it though. < 1299181124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There I go again with my funny spe-lungs. < 1299181187 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if 16h may depend on IRQ1 being serviced < 1299181193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov eax, cr0 < 1299181195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and al, ~1 < 1299181197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov cr0, eax < 1299181199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN. < 1299181207 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor al,1 < 1299181212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that, yes. < 1299181267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it waits for my key then reboots. :-) < 1299181268 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~1 should also work though, nasm evaluates constant expressions < 1299181284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in Bochs it waits for my key and... wait, what < 1299181296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's HLTing and complaining that I'm hlting, but I "sti" before doing the interrupt. < 1299181299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS. < 1299181361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03.01.21:02:12:04 ah, re befunge, just wrote an interpreter with forth. so our unofficial befunge-interpreters-in-obsolete-but-non-esoteric-languages project now has forth, fortran-77, algol-60, plus few less interesting ones. maybe should do cobol next. < 1299181361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03.01.21:02:13:12 fizzie: go to #forth and say it's obsolete, i dare you < 1299181364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HEAR HEAR < 1299181392 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN ESOTERIC-SECTION. < 1299181419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04.02.10:16:14:35 btw, what languages do we have befunge interpreters in? I know of implementations in C, javascript, algol (algol60?), fortran (two, actually) and forth, plus two unfinished ones (sed, 6502-assembler-for-8bit-nes-nintendo). any others? < 1299181419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04.05.27:08:07:58 kinda. oh, and it includes a "system information" command, which has the side-effect (can't remember if this was in the standard) that you can use it like the PICK word from forth. < 1299181424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Funge-98, what is even that! < 1299181469 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the sed one is unfinished? sed needs more fun stuff < 1299181485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, *my* sed one is unfinished; there might well be a finished one. < 1299181834 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299182674 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299183068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wait. < 1299183082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If I go into protected mode and don't set up interrupt handlers, then deprotect and do "sti", it's still gonna fail on any interrupt, right? < 1299183087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the "default" interrupt handler is GONE FOREVER < 1299183124 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants Seph
< 1299183135 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no, I think the real-mode interrupt handlers are at a fixed address (like 0) < 1299183151 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vectors anyway, not the handlers < 1299183205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well I say this because < 1299183220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[deprotect cr0] sti; xor ah, ah; int 16h; cli; [protect cr0] does this in bochs: < 1299183228 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no, there is an IDTR, dunno what happens to that register when you switch modes :) < 1299183233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts up, hangs, bochs warns about "omg hlt when blah blah!! it will never finished!" < 1299183234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I press a key < 1299183235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing happens < 1299183237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in qemu: < 1299183238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts up, hangs < 1299183240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I press a key, it reboots < 1299183446 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299183465 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the information I have, this all points to something having been done wrong < 1299183516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I suspect that the bios calls HLT as part of its keyboard code < 1299183539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And that the interrupts don't get fixed by disabling protection. < 1299183686 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should add a couple of long calls to reset cs to/from real-mode < 1299183754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Why, can't I use the bios from a 32-bit cs? :) < 1299183755 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if that's the problem, but that could cause the incoming keyboard interrupt to mess things up instead of neatly returning to after the hlt < 1299183756 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at number of diffrent blocks allocated by APNIC in December-Feburary: 8M: 1 (8M), 4M: 1 (4M), 2M: 4 (8M), 1M: 16 (16M), 512k: 16 (8M), 256k: 28 (7M), 128k: 25 (3.13M), 64k: 48 (3M), 32k: 22 (0.69M), 16k: 33 (0.52M), 8k: 42 (0.33M), 4k: 50 (0.20M), 2k: 63 (0.12M), 1k: 85 (0.08M), 512: 20 (0.01M), 256: 58 (0.01M). < 1299183774 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the hlt presumably in the bios' int 16h) < 1299183786 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is probably waiting for IRQ1) < 1299183817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added some long jmps, still doesn't work :( < 1299183826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I swear that interrupts won't work after deprotecting :P < 1299183864 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't they? < 1299183887 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299183900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Because going into protected mode gets rid of all that magical interrupt goodness? < 1299183910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I doubt flicking cr0 back adds the magic again. < 1299183959 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try a lidtr to explicitly reset back to the real-mode interrupt vectors < 1299183977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, but what are the vectors? < 1299184019 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be at 0, since 8086 didn't even support moving them < 1299184029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lidtr [0], or < 1299184031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lidtr [foo] < 1299184032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299184035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: dd 0? < 1299184040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's dd, i forget lidtr.. < 1299184045 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1299184057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which :) < 1299184067 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... though I don't think it should be necessary at all < 1299184089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still reboots even with that :) < 1299184089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in qemu < 1299184091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'l ltry bochs < 1299184093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i'll try < 1299184118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"getHostMemAddr vetoed direct read, pAddr=0x000a2722" < 1299184119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: w a t < 1299184125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"prefetch: getHostMemAdrr < 1299184129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Addr < 1299184154 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm! < 1299184174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idtr: dd 0 < 1299184174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; gdt < 1299184174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdtr: dw gdt_end-gdt-1 ; limit < 1299184177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't like something there, at least < 1299184182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idtr is just one val right? < 1299184185 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, none of this new information changes my previous theory < 1299184197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idtr: < 1299184197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dw 0 < 1299184198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dd 0 < 1299184203 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idt has a limit, at least in protected mode < 1299184215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same error though, even with that idt < 1299184560 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you disable A20? < 1299185037 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-238-212.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299185089 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299185323 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299185418 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299185517 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299185712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the IDT descriptor the same 6-byte thing than the GDT; two bytes for the limit and four for the base? Which would mean dw 0, dd 0 makes a zero-size limit and any interrupt would then go outside it. (But I don't really know if the IDT is checked for real-mode interrupts.) < 1299185752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it does in fact check IDT in real mode. < 1299185780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as far as I can tell it only uses the base address. < 1299185808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So dw 0, dd 0 should be reasonable. But if you don't relocate it anywhere with an earlier LIDT, I suppose it shouldn't move anyway. < 1299186000 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1299186028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's example code does do LIDT [RealModeIDT] with RealModeIDT: dw 0x03ff, dd 0x0000. < 1299186062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Perhaps my reboot is for Other Reaz0ns. < 1299186069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the keyboard thing take parameters? :P < 1299186092 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not according to that page I found at least < 1299186114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it should, no. Well, except for the AH = 00h function-selector part. < 1299186125 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299186126 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should probably do a 'show int' before going into the bios < 1299186133 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to print interrupts that happen < 1299186140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: er, is that an instruction or something? < 1299186144 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bochs' debugger :) < 1299186146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used bochs bugger < 1299186147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scares me < 1299186148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299186149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1299186150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice typo < 1299186386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did your code look like? < 1299186417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After flipping the bit in CR0, you do need at least that far jump, I believe. < 1299186452 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299186459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Indeed. < 1299186460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I far jump. < 1299186461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sec. < 1299186465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busy warring with pigs < 1299186503 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warting the hogs? < 1299186565 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thwarting them, I'd guess. < 1299186591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thwarthog: bane of everyone with goals. < 1299186629 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thwarthog Goalsbane < 1299186678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like something that drops rares. < 1299186685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that a term?) < 1299186709 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rares? rarities maybe < 1299186830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 2,500 results (0.23 seconds); if it's a term, it's not a very wide one, I guess. < 1299186850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wich monsters drops rares ??? hey can anybody telle ma about all drops possible out of monsters in looting plz :D :D :)" < 1299187023 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do like the guy in HHGG who has to insult every living being in the universe, visit every site on the internet and ask that question < 1299187038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have to, just wants to < 1299187068 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, whatever :) < 1299187082 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed like an obsession to me, but I guess it is voluntary < 1299187176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he wanted a project to keep himself busy. < 1299187182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thwarthog Goalsbane <-- sounds like a boss in some sort of parody game < 1299187202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could imagine a Thwarthog Goalsbane high-level monster in Munchkin. < 1299187235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't munchkin rather parody though? ;P < 1299187337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. The USA is an officially secular state and has "In God We Trust" on its currency. The UK is an officially Christian state and has Darwin on the £10 note... < 1299187360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling that a state religion isn't necessarily a bad thing. :P < 1299187382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I get the feeling that state religion is pretty much disconnected for actual state of affairs :P < 1299187399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for your conclusion to be valid I think you need some more evidence < 1299187406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how it works in other countries. < 1299187431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, yes, I'm aware that in the UK, like *most* European countries with a state religion, only has the state mandated religion in existence for hysterical raisins... < 1299187443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sweden have state religion < 1299187476 0 :uniqanomaly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: uniqanomaly < 1299187481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden has no official state religion (since a number of years. 15? 20? something like that) and we have... no god mentions on our money < 1299187511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but yes hysterical raisins indeed < 1299187513 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299187517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In 2000 the Church of Sweden ceased to be the state church. < 1299187524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that recently, heh < 1299187588 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think officially the Evangelical-Lutheran Church of Finland is not a "state church" either, but I think it still enjoys some special privilege bits. < 1299187642 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden is a bit odd, though < 1299187643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The main Lutheran and Orthodox churches are constitutional national churches of Finland with special roles in ceremonies ..." < 1299187660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they still count since they have special mentions in some laws here and there. < 1299187665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland has *two* state churches, then. < 1299187667 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that if the king wants to convert from lutheranism, he must abdicate < 1299187676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is some special privilege related to being able to perform marriages that only the church has over here < 1299187689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for other religions you need to get a non-religious marriage < 1299187699 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: captains of ships have that right too, here, as do certain secular officials < 1299187700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: And if you get a non-Lutheran king in the first place? < 1299187704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://blog.tanyakhovanova.com/?p=311 seems connected to your recent string subsequence stuff < 1299187710 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: we're aiming to go from "a bit odd" to "odd" within the next 3-year period < 1299187710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in that if the king wants to convert from lutheranism, he must abdicate <-- is that still the case? heh < 1299187710 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that can't happen in Sweden (I'm not Swedish) < 1299187724 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1299187726 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hopefully) < 1299187729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bullshit. (not the claim itself, the state of affairs) < 1299187762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it matters *too* much; the monarch is a mere symbol of the state at this point, anyways. < 1299187778 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess that means some portion of the king's tax-paid allowance is guaranteed to go to church tax < 1299187785 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299187786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes indeed. Besides our king is dyslexic and what not. < 1299187788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1299187823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hah. The monarch isn't required to be *Lutheran*. Any Protestant denomination will do. < 1299187833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1299187860 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hm, you sure? < 1299187883 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: does that include the church of the flying *protestant* spaghetti monster? < 1299187887 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299187892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: norway is in the process of abolishing our state church, however the king himself insisted that they keep his requirement to belong to it in the constitution < 1299187904 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually an odd thing in Finnish public broadcast legislation re: that < 1299187911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh < 1299187929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's actually an odd thing in Finnish public broadcast legislation re: that <-- oh? < 1299187935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We have a new-ish "Freedom of Religion Act" (from 2003; I mean, we had one before, but this is the latest revision) which says basically that anyone can belong to any "religious organization" that they wish, and that a "religious organization" is either the Evangelical-Lutheran or the Orthodox Church, or any organization registered according to law X; and that the two official churches have some legislation controlling how they operate. < 1299187952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, no, not really. "Art. 4. In accordance with the express provision of Article 2 of the Instrument of Government of 1809 that The King shall always profess the pure evangelical faith, as adopted and explained in the unaltered Confession of Augsburg and in the Resolution of the Uppsala Meeting of the year 1593, princes and princesses of the Royal House shall be brought up in that same faith and within the Realm. Any member of the Royal Fami < 1299187977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(translated version of the "Successionsordningen", on Wikisource) < 1299187981 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: one may not broadcast religious services from non-trinitarian congregations as tohugh they were services. < 1299188009 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, there's a specific concept of televised service, which only extends to trinitarian christians :| < 1299188013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The royal fam! < 1299188029 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, heh < 1299188037 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pure evangelical faith is clearly lutheranism there. < 1299188040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor members of the royal famine < 1299188045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Yeah, quite clearly. < 1299188055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Europeans really need to go further with this whole seperation of church and state thing. < 1299188064 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually, I think it's done us a world of good < 1299188065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "Augsburg"? < 1299188085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And meanwhile Americans need to get the concept *beaten into their freaking head over and over again*. < 1299188090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (translated version of the "Successionsordningen", on Wikisource) <-- they have a translated version of that? < 1299188102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Act_of_Succession_of_Sweden < 1299188109 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: see, this way, the state has had an option of influencing the churches (by making sure to require that the clergy has reasonable education, etc) < 1299188112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ... why on earth < 1299188125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's apparently the official translation by the Swedishgovernment. < 1299188131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299188132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, add space as appropriate. < 1299188138 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht way, I think the european state churches (at least in northern europe) have helped making europe relatively secular < 1299188159 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way, also, we've gotten spared from idiots like ... uneducated clergymen arguing against interracial marriage and such < 1299188180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: The issue is that you guys have gotten rid of insane religiosity without getting rid of actual church-state ties. < 1299188185 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but < 1299188189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of our clergymen have no trouble arguing against gay marriage, mind you < 1299188192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: And we've gotten rid of actual church-state ties without getting rid of insane religiosity. < 1299188195 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: true. < 1299188207 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, and I much prefer the previous alternative there < 1299188217 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was probably a reply to oerjan? < 1299188223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people don't even accept the *existence* of seperation of church and state here. < 1299188233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Literally do not believe that that is how things work*. < 1299188254 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we now got rid of the church-state ties in a badly thought out way, the chances of greater amounts of stupid appearing in the majority church is overwhelming < 1299188269 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such stupid does exist in the non-state-churches, like the baptists and the free lutherans and such < 1299188501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still find it incredible that people in the US do not merely advocate against the seperation of church and state, but advocate that that *is not even the state of affairs*. < 1299188596 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299188610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Just out of curiosity, can you provide citations for the religious service broadcast thing. The obvious search ("jumalanpalvelus*") in Finlex doesn't really hit anything relevant. < 1299188635 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's not in the law then < 1299188640 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's in yles charter or somesuhc? < 1299188649 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a recollection < 1299188657 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from years back < 1299188753 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the only churches with the relevant size in the US to be able to make any claim for state-church status would be like southern baptists and the catholics, no? < 1299188783 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how well the catholics gaining that status would go over with the protestants :) < 1299189001 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where is the hg repo ? < 1299189006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Err < 1299189010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org/something < 1299189012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ping < 1299189050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: You'd probably only get state churches for individual states. < 1299189075 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd get weird < 1299189088 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Germany have state churches? < 1299189100 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: people believe what they want is what is and what was. This is well known in cognitive psychology < 1299189245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Aside from an ability for sufficiently large religious organizations to be able to have a church tax taken out, there is not a state church in Germany. < 1299189289 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299189305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did have that "blasphemy" bit in the criminal code, but in 1998 the section was renamed to "disturbance of religious peace"; it still does mention "God", but also in the same sentence "or other similar religious observances" or some-such. < 1299189333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that the seperation of church and state was first enacted in the Weimar Republic. < 1299189438 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299189561 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, there's one ~federation-like thingy with state churches, how could I forget < 1299189565 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK. < 1299189584 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :germany has state churches < 1299189723 0 :mileva!~millosa@212.203.98.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299189768 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it silly that we still have 'god' in our pledge of allegiance - but meh
< 1299189884 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299190086 0 :Phantom___Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 9*3*64 < 1299190087 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1728 < 1299190107 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299190121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: People use that as reasoning that this is a Christian nation and that as such we should make laws based on their interpretation of Christianity. < 1299190149 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^3 * 2^6 ? < 1299190160 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don't get me started on logical fallacies by theists. < 1299190170 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless of course you care :-]) < 1299190178 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq x=x+1, x=? < 1299190186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: As a recent convert to atheism, I'm still at the point where I give a crap! :P < 1299190249 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42? < 1299190399 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299190515 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I should switch to NixOS < 1299190550 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299190551 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... i'have to learn it < 1299190693 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: website isn't loading < 1299190759 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to... < 1299190880 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :down < 1299191139 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299191255 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299191421 0 :p_q!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299191488 0 :Phantom___Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : variable: As a recent convert to atheism, I'm still at the point where I give a crap! :P ← really? < 1299191519 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agnosticum vitae forman milos < 1299191553 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find that googling it < 1299191725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: Really what < 1299191785 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I find the entire contect of a pledge of allegiance (allegiance to a cloth design, even) to be rther silly < 1299191834 0 :Phantom___Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you listed the things about the US that everyone else finds silly you'd be there all day. < 1299191839 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what is allegiance to a flag? < 1299191847 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one violate such an allegiance? < 1299191850 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it's maybe like a fish as the science, kindof bycicle usefull to birds ? < 1299191860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mileva: are you human? < 1299191921 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299191943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the evidence isn't quite convincing yet... < 1299191960 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i do not understud all :( < 1299191964 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299191979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Something just reminded me of fungot.) < 1299191980 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is just a pair of trousers by sewing. :p < 1299191999 0 :Phantom___Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understud all either. < 1299192077 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup :~) < 1299192174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: ? < 1299192198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are YOU human? < 1299192199 0 :Phantom___Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe i do not understud all :( < 1299192217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1299192231 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty shure, i do not undertud the entire world :) < 1299192284 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Alex_Megaroide < 1299192303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You are sure? < 1299192356 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing is an apple's ghost < 1299192363 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299192387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newton's apple < 1299192387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Rather. < 1299192407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please go on. < 1299192425 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, like G.Tell on his son's head ? < 1299192453 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299192466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: じゃ、教えろうね。僕は人間で生まれたので、人間だと思う。 < 1299192629 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soio, tokyo hostel, myo-cardio bouldu buldou fidjii < 1299192644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: なぜあなたは、あなたが今の人間だと思う人が生まれた私に言うのですか？ < 1299192657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That. Doesn't. Parse. < 1299192696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please go on. < 1299192718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Japanese you pasted was... Unparsable. < 1299192744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, i pasted was unparsable. < 1299192767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why did you, you now-human think person birth I to said?" < 1299192794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, i i nowhuman think person birth you to said. < 1299192795 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include "Sha2.h" < 1299193167 0 :mileva!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299194138 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299194457 0 :Phantom___Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299195270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :le sigh < 1299195285 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IokeHurricane is spamming #ioke < 1299195288 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How typical < 1299195369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: olsner: I bet what you're thinking is, "I really want to look at elliott's terrible asm and debug it". < 1299195977 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299196158 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299196795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: waiit < 1299196799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the long jump won't work in real mode < 1299196802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to 0x7C00:unprot < 1299196804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the gdt is still active! < 1299196828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I/O APIC read at address 0xfec008fe spans 32-bit boundary !" < 1299196829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1299196840 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is postscript tc? < 1299196855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MAKES NO SENSE < 1299196888 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to u < 1299196940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: um i'm pretty sure it is < 1299196957 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess postscript is tc < 1299196972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, i think it has equivalents to all of :()^ < 1299197057 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what does that mean? < 1299197061 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299197063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: see topic < 1299197078 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url to proof < 1299197089 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ya < 1299197092 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens champagne
< 1299197097 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you prove that? < 1299197140 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: you can read the irc logs from yesterday or was it the day before, i haven't finished the wiki markup yet < 1299197157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the wiki section on the minsky machine) < 1299197168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would totally mention something involving the words cheater and feed but it'd be cliche and i'm a conversational hipster < 1299197187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a conservational hipster. man, I help to save this totally obscure animal, you've probably never heard of it. < 1299197207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the wiki section in underload < 1299197250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok so postscript being tc is pretty obvious, it has many more commands than that < 1299197262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err, i was just talking about the fact that cheater- is a troll. < 1299197269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postscript being tc is very obvious < 1299197273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as a lot of anagolfers use it :) < 1299197274 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ingenious < 1299197275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it _is_ at base pretty much a concatenative language like underload < 1299197278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a few < 1299197287 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be about some other person using your nick :D < 1299197305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1299197306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah oerjan is really stupid obviously. < 1299197308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i know oerjan for. < 1299197312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299197402 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299197414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you never know, maybe i do something that puts him in so much awe that he repents and stops trolling < 1299197428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh huh < 1299197435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and starts genetically engineering airborne pork instead < 1299197440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise saying that will make him not shut up for hours :) < 1299197486 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not obvious to me < 1299197500 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we were talking in -blah about postscript and i was wondering if it's tc < 1299197518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok something is very wrong here. < 1299197519 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought i remembered it was, but decided to ask here for confirmation and for making conversation < 1299197547 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, tkae a shower elliott, we can cut the air with a cheese knife :X < 1299197611 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so how did you have the idea to use the minsky machine? < 1299197623 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it your first approach or just a consecutive one? < 1299197695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have fun for the next N hours < 1299197703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure won't be, fucking bios :( < 1299197714 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice blog, bro < 1299197816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ = exch, ! = pop, : = dup, ! = exec, = = S, those are the commands i find in http://www.math.ubc.ca/~cass/courses/ps.html that correspond to underload. i also think { = ( and } = ). < 1299197864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: i started with the turing machines, then when i got down to trying !:()^ i realized i didn't have enough to get that but a minsky machine worked < 1299197873 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299197882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since it only needs one stack symbol) < 1299197888 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299197890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tape < 1299197900 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you see a minsky machine as a simpler to implement turing machine? < 1299197951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1299197955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1299197957 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1299197958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines are sooo much easier < 1299197960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're bigger < 1299197962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore easier < 1299197967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic application of logic oerjan < 1299197977 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one asked you, chum < 1299197988 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're having a private conversation here < 1299197991 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299198035 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now what is the shortest proof that you can come up with? o_o < 1299198088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "shortest proof"? < 1299198090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop bullshitting < 1299198095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think underload a = [ exch ] essentially < 1299198114 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he's come up with the minimal system so far < 1299198124 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now he needs the minimal proof of that minimal system :D < 1299198139 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-liner or else! < 1299198160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1299198167 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok :) < 1299198176 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what's next? < 1299198201 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299198205 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess implementing a lang based on that? < 1299198302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implementation is already done, it's called underload. < 1299198310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't use four of the commands. < 1299198347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively you can use postscript, joy or FALSE. < 1299198381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those four commands are pretty common in functional concatenative languages < 1299198385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's joy's equivalent of a? < 1299198392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1299198407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::()^ are dup [] i, though < 1299198410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299198426 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but what about something that takes a well-supported language and compiles it down to :()^? < 1299198443 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i dunno, b*ainfuck < 1299198502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. and , are going to be a bitch < 1299198519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention that minsky machines have exponential overhead < 1299198529 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a? < 1299198551 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299198558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1299198699 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299198781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know many joy commands, but it should be doable with map... < 1299198822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er you mean list map? < 1299198827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like treating quotations as lists? < 1299198827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299198829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not every lang does that < 1299198832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you have that it's just [] cons... < 1299198844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you were talking about joy < 1299198852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you have that it's just [] cons... < 1299198880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know joy had cons < 1299198892 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299198901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of language has lists and no cons? < 1299198931 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1299198935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe I like Fancy < 1299199203 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any known automaton that, with finite space is known to be weaker than a turing macine with finite space, but thiss distinction magically disappears when there's infinite space? < 1299199362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define weaker than a turing machine with finite space? < 1299199365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299199366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ambiguous < 1299199367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299199434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god not again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Joy_(programming_language)_(2nd_nomination) < 1299199574 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, turing machines can reject/accept any recursively enumerable language < 1299199621 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a finite tape we get what's called a decider, no? < 1299199626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lets oerjan handle this one ;D
< 1299199644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ambiguous, it's hideously ambiguous. < 1299199655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tell him! < 1299199661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets popcorn
< 1299199695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299199704 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: turing machines accept recursively enumerable languages, and loop infinitely on non-examples of the language < 1299199718 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they don't reject. < 1299199729 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I(necessarily) < 1299199761 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my "reject" there was wrong < 1299199816 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kickban! < 1299199826 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyways, a machine that w/ finite tape accepts context-free grammars (or maybe something inbetween CFG and R, or between R and RE), but with infinite tape accepts RE < 1299199881 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can such a thing exist? < 1299200010 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With finite tape, it can at most decide (some subset of) regular languages. < 1299200044 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even the weakest language classes above regular can require unbounded memory to recognize. < 1299200061 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299200120 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ok, is there any machine that accepts CFG or even just a slighlty smaller set of langs than R with finite tape, but RE with infinite tape? < 1299200174 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question doesn't make sense :/ < 1299200197 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where doesn't it? < 1299200202 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where doesn't it make sense < 1299200226 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're asking about a single TM...designed to recognize two different languages? < 1299200263 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines recognize different languages depending on whether they've got finite or infinite tapes < 1299200285 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a specific TM will be designed to recognize a particular language < 1299200291 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally < 1299200299 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, all you're doing is changing the tape length < 1299200305 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so? < 1299200306 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't changing the FSM < 1299200315 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this still doesn't make the question make no sense < 1299200320 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you aren't changing the language it is designed to recognize... < 1299200326 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1299200329 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299200335 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1299200341 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION headdesks
< 1299200362 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I rephrase the question like this: < 1299200382 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with finite memory and even weakest non-regular languages, you can't even recognize all "yes" cases. < 1299200383 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does infinite tape make bigger difference for recognizeable languages for some weaker machine < 1299200420 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you could have algorithm that always says "yes" if it belongs to the language, but might say "yes" even if it doesn't. < 1299200445 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: i know such a machine. Algorithm: for all input, accept. < 1299200466 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that algorithm has a ratehr fantastic running time < 1299200491 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually, machine that could return 3 outputs: Yes, No or Maybe < 1299200537 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some languages, one needs insanely long output to overwhelm even very quite low amount of memor available. < 1299200547 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*even quite low < 1299200569 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*memory < 1299200658 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just consider a^n b^n and how much string length it takes to overwhelm a counter of given length. < 1299200774 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there are languages that are recursive but may require insane amounts of memory even for very short strings. < 1299201037 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299201063 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's quite obvious < 1299201064 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric ::()^ is TURING COMPLETE! EVERYBODY PARTY!!!! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299201086 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what it already said? < 1299201101 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1299201169 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric ::()^ is TURING COMPLETE! EVERYBODY PARTY!!!!!| http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299201200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey quintopia, wanna debug my assembly! < 1299201217 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in a week < 1299201236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about < 1299201236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1299201237 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm already late < 1299201239 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric ::()^ is TURING COMPLETE! EVERYBODY PARTY???? | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299201240 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go < 1299201242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a late < 1299201257 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your face is a late < 1299201289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry
< 1299201299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this all the fucked. it's bads. < 1299201329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_WHAT_ < 1299201332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding "int 99" does something. < 1299201379 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel torn between Fancy and Ruby. Fancy is like a fixed Ruby with keyword-based methods. But Ruby is popular < 1299201607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's stupid. Your point? < 1299201632 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299201654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can we just collectively agree to not feed Sgeo's insane languagebation? < 1299201657 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299201703 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Fancy's fixes and other niceties worth devoting time into Fancy that I'd otherwise spend in Ruby? < 1299201792 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know. < 1299201814 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did look it up in Wikipedia and still I don't know) < 1299201964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: X86 ASSEMBLY CODE < 1299201965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU LOVE IT < 1299202028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I DESPISE IT < 1299202032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DO YOU LIKE DEBUGGING IT < 1299202041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THATS WHAT I DESPISE ABOUT IT < 1299202055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SO YOU WANT TO DEBUG MY 512-BYTE FORTH INTERP'S KEYBOARD HANDLING CODE? < 1299202072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEIN < 1299202121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHY ARE YOU AN EVIL < 1299202184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm an atheist. < 1299202190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: trut < 1299202191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1299202194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if you'll excuse me, I need to roast some babies. < 1299202201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1299202205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tender baby flesh < 1299202210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, veal. < 1299202214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to rape them first, it brings out the juice < 1299202227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1299202245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and convert some innocent christians to evil < 1299202356 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299202385 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299203044 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299203133 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299203351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299203357 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-175.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299203754 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychoceramics -> study of crackpots :-) < 1299204084 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299204275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299204529 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha... A typical timeline to < 1299204560 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deployment might be: Support in 20% of implementations (open source helps at this stage): X.509: Never < 1299206046 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299207130 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299207292 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299207399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299207404 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299208441 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-186-28.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299208450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299208777 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1299208779 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had an idea. < 1299208785 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language who's encoding is an MIDI file. < 1299208798 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In essence, a musical programming language. < 1299208844 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MonadsSuck < 1299208883 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: that sounds interesting < 1299208965 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In it, "syntax" is carried by relative pitch, or something similar, and so, a program can be made musical. < 1299208982 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few of that already in esolangs, but you can make up a new one if you want to. < 1299208988 0 :MonadsSuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking monads, how do they work < 1299209003 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to down the evil path, make failure at harmony, etc an compiler error. < 1299209012 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadsSuck: Did you look it up in Wikipedia? < 1299209073 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, hmm... < 1299209082 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make useful programs semi-musical. < 1299209090 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make music execute, but in an excessively useless way. < 1299209099 0 :MonadsSuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: fucking adjoint pairs! < 1299209110 0 :MonadsSuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many functors and natural transformations < 1299209114 0 :MonadsSuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299209119 0 :MonadsSuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shuts up
< 1299209121 0 :MonadsSuck!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :copumpkin < 1299211263 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299211440 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Lymia> Heh. < 1299211441 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Lymia> I just had an idea. < 1299211441 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Lymia> A programming language who's encoding is an MIDI file. < 1299211442 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see Fugue, Velato < 1299211724 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not /exactly/ what I had in mind. < 1299211739 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less of a programming language with an MIDI encoding, and more of one more directly related to the represented music. < 1299211741 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: OK then make up your own ideas < 1299211744 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I have no idea how to have this work... < 1299211998 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make one with music that isn't 12-TET.... < 1299212168 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, microtonal music. < 1299212192 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I have never actually heard such music, I merely find the idea interesting in the abstract) < 1299212222 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have not written a program to play such a music? < 1299212242 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I haven't. < 1299212325 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a variant of PPMCK to allow you to make a scale of whatever tones you want to (however it is still up octave doubles frequency, up to ten letter names, and up to sixteen notes per octave; other than that you can have whatever tones you want to) < 1299212343 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Then write a music/program! < 1299212380 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I'm trying to figure out how to make a program result from features that are already found in music. < 1299212407 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then using ordered combinations of these to create programs. < 1299212434 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Do you mean number of notes in one bar, or repeat marks, or major/minor/augmented/diminish chord, non-chord note, etc? < 1299212471 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299212573 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least. < 1299212576 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the former two. < 1299213096 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299213207 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: velato is that < 1299213210 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299220515 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299220515 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299225599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299225600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299226110 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299226119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1299231514 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299234616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *that* was interesting. The "Machine Learning: Advanced Probabilistic Methods" lecturer called me 08:50am, said he's having a "situation" (I'll not go into details here), and someone needs to go and give the 10:15--12:00 lecture to students. < 1299236600 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299236620 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-128.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299237764 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299237790 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299237824 0 :Mannerisky!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299238112 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...you? < 1299238117 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1299239232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was already; it's 14:23pm here. < 1299239243 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured < 1299239255 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wishing you luck late is better than not at al < 1299239327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spoke half an hour about the software blob they need to use for the course assignment (a mixture-of-multivariate-bernoulli-distributions thing for dealing with binary 0/1 matrices) and then showed half an hour of video from the Stanford University "Machine Learning" course they've graciously youtubed with a Creative Commons license. < 1299239379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately 30-40% of the people bothered to stay for the video. < 1299239388 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1299239399 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you were babysitting basically :P < 1299239505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, yeah. "Show them a video" was my wife's suggestion, since that's what all the substitute teachers at elementary school used to do. < 1299239563 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1299239579 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299240363 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1299240375 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299240489 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299241262 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299241730 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299242115 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299242841 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299243221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=XKRj-T4l-e8 < 1299243238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most awesome rendition of Toccata and Fugue in D Minor EVER? < 1299243434 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299243469 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the timbre makes it rather weird < 1299243556 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's any really consonant triads in that tuning for that instrument < 1299243660 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299244033 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299244797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299245675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299246404 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1299246418 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299246655 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-229.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299247011 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299247499 0 :Alex_Meg1roide!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299247652 0 :Alex_Megaroide!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299248030 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299248928 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299248984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299248987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299248987 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299248988 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299249126 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299249230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299249480 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299249524 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-8-156.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299249543 0 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299249543 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299249543 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1299249957 0 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299250078 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299250079 0 :javawizard!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jcp < 1299250157 0 :Gregor`!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299250167 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-128.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299250285 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299250333 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1299250370 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299250975 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299251841 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299252508 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-235.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299252516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299261078 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299261078 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299261081 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my last long disconnect was yesterday < 1299261085 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU CLOG < 1299261107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: about 2 hours 20 minutes < 1299261124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it hasn't switched time zones again < 1299261126 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was here that entire time.. except for the random minute long disconnects... < 1299261143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still in a strange minute, at least < 1299261219 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls writing his first BASIC programs without a computer
< 1299261325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, I don't think mental stability is required for logs. <-- no but not dropping any task the first moment you're bored is. reference: herobrine. < 1299261346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does _not_ claim to be any better, mind you
< 1299261371 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been writing MSP430 programs without a chip or emulator to run them on :-) < 1299261588 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299261588 0 :Alex_Meg1roide!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299261588 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299261588 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299261662 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-229.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299261662 0 :Alex_Meg1roide!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299261662 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299261662 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299261670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1299261675 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1299261675 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /< < 1299261874 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I thought it was just to provide what logs I happened to have lying around as of clogs recent temporary demise < 1299261954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: oh. i guess you're qualified for that. ;D < 1299262504 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299262532 0 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299262818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I might be what? < 1299262832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: stable enough to log this channel < 1299262860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do log this channel, but the bouncer log format is rather on the ugly side. < 1299262872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299262952 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.27. 2x32k+8k+2x4k+2k+/32 to Japan, 8k to Taiwan, 1M+2x512k+2x128k to China, 2k to Indonesia, 4k+/32 to Papua New Guinea, 4k to India, 2M to Vietnam, 256+/32 to Australia, /32 to Malysia. < 1299263169 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least that included /30 worth of IPv6 space. :-) < 1299263340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 128-30 < 1299263348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no lambdabot < 1299263357 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1299263357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN I SUBTRACT WITHOUT HER < 1299263486 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^98 IPv6 host addresses, that is. < 1299263642 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299263790 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you modify the program? < 1299263852 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299263916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299263916 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-173-26.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299263956 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299263982 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299263982 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299264016 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299264016 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299264016 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299264089 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299264170 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299264256 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299264256 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1299264318 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299264412 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299264543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Theoretically, but I already have quite a lot of logs in the old format. I might just convert them for reading. < 1299264618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION liked elliott's idea of storing as raw irc format and just converting on the fly
< 1299264708 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1299264728 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a IRC log format. < 1299264740 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299264741 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299264741 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299264755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I like that too; and in fact the bouncer's log format *is* pretty close to timestamps + direction + raw message, except someone's gone and tried to make it a tiny bit human-readable unfortunately. < 1299264800 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My format is also a bit like that..... < 1299264919 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299264922 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who changed it? < 1299265053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the author of the bouncer. And now that I look at it, it's not really that close to raw after all, except it uses the full nick!user@mask triplets in most places where they are in the IRC messages themselves. < 1299265072 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, "squamous" means "scaly". < 1299265184 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299265230 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you have an example of a few lines? < 1299265334 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://p.zem.fi/wnjr < 1299265402 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My format looks like this (note there is a tab after each timestamp, and CRLF is required at the end of each line even in UNIX): http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/irc_log/ADMIN/1291325292 < 1299265475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's quite more rawish. < 1299265509 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1299265684 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact every message which is sent to everyone on the channel is also sent to the log file. (The lines with * are metadata lines and are added before) < 1299266480 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299266480 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299266481 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299266966 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299266993 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299267255 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299267274 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what are you using to generate that log format? < 1299267286 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should set up a bouncer at some point
< 1299267296 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: The server is generating the log file. < 1299267327 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, which server is that? Your own? < 1299267333 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yes. < 1299267348 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you wrote the SW as well? < 1299267367 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SW? < 1299267370 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :software < 1299267388 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181133020.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299267408 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took the software for ngIRCd and made some modifications and called the new one CthulhuIRCd. < 1299267431 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of modifications? Just log stuff or other things as well? < 1299267454 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things too. Such as, adding the SUMMON command. < 1299267466 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also plan to add ! type channels later, too. (Currently it supports #&+ but not !) < 1299267486 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even a few more, too. < 1299267499 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what ! and # are. < 1299267502 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the other two ? < 1299267519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opless and local channels, if I recall correctly. < 1299267525 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is modeless and & is local < 1299267549 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299267549 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299267559 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's !? < 1299267575 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ! is random < 1299267578 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sort of < 1299267613 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets link
< 1299267620 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is a channel that is safe from taking over by netsplit < 1299267633 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299267648 0 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-53-195.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299267653 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically - create it with !! and join with ! + random token IIRC < 1299267667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can join with just "!foo" if there's only one !xxxxxfoo in the network. < 1299267688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there happens to be multiple, you have to specify which one you mean by using the "full name". < 1299267710 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally there shouldn't be multiple, but it can happen during split-time. < 1299267722 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, it works like that. That is the purpose of ! type channel. < 1299267758 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that only # is vulnerable to taking over. Types & ! + are all immune to being taking over, but for different reasons. < 1299267796 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ because it makes no sense and & cause its local only and thus splits don't matter :-) < 1299267812 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prefers services to ! but meh
< 1299267846 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ because it is modeless, so the state cannot change after or before a split. You are correct about & < 1299267902 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, other thing I added in the IRC server, is a few new configuration settings (to select which channel types are available, and where logs go, and a few other things), and a way to add new commands by a external script. < 1299267916 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was correct for both < 1299267928 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes to sense to take over a modeless channel < 1299267942 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: O, that is what you mean. OK, then you are correct. < 1299267959 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also - please make said changes available to the public :-) < 1299268562 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :copumpkin < 1299268775 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: OK, I try < 1299269057 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299269102 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299269321 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299269322 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299269323 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1299269568 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299269608 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-31.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299269621 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299270401 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down total of 1.07 this week. Wow. < 1299270415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what units? < 1299270425 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blocks (/8) < 1299270439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than a one /8 in a week? < 1299270446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind's having trouble comprehending that < 1299270452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more than 1.0 /8 < 1299270544 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there are 2.89 blocks left (excluding setaside block). < 1299270642 0 :elliottx!5b694c60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299270651 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:55:25 oerjan, I don't think mental stability is required for logs. <-- no but not dropping any task the first moment you're bored is. reference: herobrine. < 1299270657 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott X is elliott FROM THE FUTOOR < 1299270657 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i didn't exactly "give up" on herobrine < 1299270669 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was running fine, it just disconnected due to a situation that it was meant to recover automatically from < 1299270676 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i haven't bothered to restart it because clog still works :) < 1299270687 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: elliott from a time where his computer won't route to freenode < 1299270689 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so uses the webchat < 1299270696 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in the FUTURE ... of the past\ < 1299270700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSULT SUCCESSFUL. PROGRESS TO NEXT LEVEL. < 1299270700 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA: the "present" < 1299270713 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one day I _will_ find out where you live < 1299270715 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bear that in mind. < 1299270724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles maniacally
< 1299270730 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happened when the logs were offline, gay orgy? < 1299270734 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1299270737 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, APNIC also has twice allocated entiere /8 at once. :-/ < 1299270746 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299270761 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:50:18 * oerjan liked elliott's idea of storing as raw irc format and just converting on the fly < 1299270762 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :126/8 and 133/8. < 1299270763 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS THE CORRECT IDEA < 1299270771 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what was herobrine's ip again < 1299270775 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server has no domain name for me to log in to :D < 1299270782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1299270806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just about slipped off my address bar < 1299270826 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herobrine's survival depends on it. < 1299270834 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite motivated enough to check on the slicehost panel < 1299270914 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oerjan, oerjan, your blatant disregard for life is showing < 1299270914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1299270947 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine i will < 1299270954 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...in return for OPS < 1299270960 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or er, +v will be acceptbale. < 1299270961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :208.78.103.223 < 1299270962 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acceptable. < 1299270965 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1299270970 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must you destroy my leverage < 1299270997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: it took a bit of time because i selected the wrong link in my logs < 1299271000 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299271022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i had to guess how long ago it was < 1299271051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is +v again, anyhow < 1299271054 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voice < 1299271062 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets you speak when +m is on, and shows how 1333337 you are < 1299271070 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC blocks free (starting from /10): 4, 10, 28, 68, 151, 319. < 1299271070 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody has ever called me leet *sniff* < 1299271081 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have no idea which ruby process is herobrine and which is the web server < 1299271083 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's kill both < 1299271087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U R SO 1337 < 1299271100 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your words are hollow. < 1299271111 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also overrides some other stuff that would normally prevent sending to channel (like matching +q). < 1299271134 0 :Herobrine!~Herobrine@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299271140 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' dance party. < 1299271179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o| |o/ < 1299271180 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |   |    `\o/´    |   | < 1299271180 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /|  /<      |     /'\  |\ < 1299271180 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            /`\ < 1299271180 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          (_| |_) < 1299271199 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOURTH GUY IS FLASHING US < 1299271202 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When there is no longer sufficiently large free blocks, address space starts to become quite fragmented. < 1299271243 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also first guy < 1299271245 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first guy < 1299271248 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder when /10s run out for APNIC. < 1299271287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: hmm... e111077x? < 1299271295 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. < 1299271303 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw the lesson here is that insulting me is the best way to get me to do something. < 1299271321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTED. < 1299271323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, looks like Deewiant improved allegro while I wasn't looking < 1299271328 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOTED, YOU MORON. < 1299271340 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwebirc is terrible :( < 1299271352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, is elliottx like ais523_? < 1299271364 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299271370 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Looking up irc.freenode.net * Connecting to chat.freenode.net (93.152.160.101) port 6667... * Connection failed. Error: Network is unreachable < 1299271371 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--xchat < 1299271380 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internets are falling apart < 1299271383 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame ipv4 < 1299271388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not any time recently :-P < 1299271407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I've been busy recently < 1299271413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just spent a day writing a new program < 1299271420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after I finished bugs it beat all but three existing programs < 1299271428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm busy tweaking constants to complete the set atm < 1299271436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems I was working against old versions of allegro < 1299271442 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a chainlance bug instead ;) < 1299271454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: this is using egojoust < 1299271459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, a fixed version < 1299271461 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, then it's an egojoust bug. < 1299271469 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is too buggy to be fixed < 1299271470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did have bugs, but I fixed some of them < 1299271473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly all of them < 1299271478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it still has that efficiency on % issue < 1299271516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, spookygoth and sexyghoul dropped off? < 1299271522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were an interesting challenge to beat < 1299271534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think my program's better for knowing how to beat their strategy < 1299271672 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299271858 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC Last 30 days: 1.81(!!!) blocks < 1299271935 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I only have 2 BF Joust programs left :-( < 1299271952 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: Did you complete the Forth? < 1299271975 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I smell panic? :-) < 1299271991 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: >_> Nope :P < 1299272000 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on keyboard input. < 1299272004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: three, fizzie reposted spookygoth < 1299272068 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be neat if Egojoust had an age for programs < 1299272073 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1299272075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yes, impomatic is clearly panicking < 1299272093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1299272118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: there's a last-modified in the directory listing < 1299272121 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No panic. I'll just write something else ;-) < 1299272128 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Japanese chess and/or Chinese chess? < 1299272148 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant age = number of challenges survived. < 1299272181 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like on the corewar hills http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/hill.php?key=tiny < 1299272193 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last 60 days: 3.19 blocks. Wow. Just Wow. < 1299272204 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299272249 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost 900k addresses per day. < 1299272294 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: status report on your forth project? < 1299272326 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm trying out switching into real mode to do the keyboard, still (dude, I just got on the computer...); I'm not sure it'll end up smaller than manual jiggery, though. < 1299272334 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although storing the first six bits of (ascii-64) is a huge advantag.e < 1299272336 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*advantage. < 1299272350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust waterfall3 http://sprunge.us/iIZL < 1299272355 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "ascii-64" mean 6-bit ascii here? < 1299272360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite perfect, but still pretty good < 1299272393 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, when I said that the other day I meant ascii (subtract) 64 < 1299272401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loss against wireless_frownie is based on precise details of timing, if I add or change the number of dots in one place it completely changes the result < 1299272408 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: Did you try to use unreal mode? < 1299272448 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's basically what I'm trying < 1299272456 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_waterfall3: 31.8 < 1299272460 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ascii-64 means take the 8-bit ascii, subtract 64, and store the lower 6 bits < 1299272469 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not that, then I'll use that 5-bit manual packing < 1299272481 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: aight < 1299272495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that result's different from egojoust's < 1299272509 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either chainlance bugs or egojoust bugs < 1299272513 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lance has no bugs. < 1299272518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the contestants now on the hill won't run on egojoust. < 1299272531 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ais523 has a """fixed""" egojoust < 1299272562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear it might not be fixed enough, though < 1299272575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, I need chainlance or something like that to have any chance of competing < 1299272605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION asks egojsout for a third opinion
< 1299272610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299272632 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like run-on-APNIC scenario has come to pass... Now I'm not sure APNIC pool will make it even to May (which would mean depleting it even faster than APNIC estimates (3-6 months) in early February). < 1299272651 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-170-1.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299272671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egojsout agrees with egojoust < 1299272673 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299272679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either both ego* are buggy, or chainlance is < 1299272701 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299272716 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299273122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust waterfall2 http://sprunge.us/WMEa < 1299273128 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_waterfall2: 31.4 < 1299273133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, waterfall3 will never top the leaderboard, it tends to win closely < 1299273140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does beat almost everything < 1299273645 0 :Alex_Meg1roide!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1299274105 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299274150 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299274304 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: egojsout isn't buggy, chainlance is < 1299274335 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the chances of egojoust and egojsout sharing a bug is very low since their architecture is basically completely different < 1299274345 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chainlance has been buggy before < 1299274407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: I think I agree with you < 1299274421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it beats the furry girls and ties with allegro, regardless of what chainlance says < 1299274439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I advise you don't try to look at what it's doing in egojsout, just because it takes far too long < 1299274460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been known to timeout on a game it'd win eventually before now, just because it's doing so much < 1299274474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, have a look at this: < 1299274482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust triplock3 >>>>(-)*3<(+)*5<(+)*100<<(-)*41>(+)*120 [](+)*100>(+)*15[-]<[](+)*100>>(+)*15[-]<< [[](+)*100>>[>]->([-{[<+]}])%12<[<]<] <((++-)*100)*1000 < 1299274489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a defence program in one line of IRC < 1299274495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually does moderately well < 1299274510 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_triplock3: 37.6 < 1299274516 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299274517 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice :P < 1299274520 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why *1000 < 1299274521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than waterfall, according to chainlance < 1299274526 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because you have (+)*100 and the like in there < 1299274529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and *100000, which is the cycle limit < 1299274535 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:12] !bfjoust triplock3 >>>>(-)*3<(+)*5<(+)*100<<(-)*41>(+)*120 [](+)*100>(+)*15[-]<[](+)*100>>(+)*15[-]<< [[](+)*100>>[>]->([-{[<+]}])%12<[<]<] <((++-)*100)*1000 < 1299274537 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1000 here < 1299274540 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end < 1299274543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's *100 *1000 < 1299274548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because egojoust is buggy on *100000 < 1299274706 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299274760 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1299274771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it interprets it as *10000 < 1299274781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a trivial fix, but I wasn't sure if I'd have to run it on an unfixed egojoust at some point < 1299274812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think it may have been Gregor who invented the triplock (I'm not sure), but I spent ages looking into how to make it work better < 1299274861 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299274863 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-1 = *10000 < 1299274871 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*100000 = *100000 < 1299274874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code reduces all numbers over 10000 to 10000 < 1299274875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including -1 < 1299274882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. I picked up some Don McLean albums, simply because I felt sorry that the only song of his that anybody knows is "American Pie". < 1299274885 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's all numbers over 100000 or under 0 < 1299274889 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to 10000 < 1299274895 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe < 1299274897 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be wrong < 1299274908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1299274909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread the line < 1299274925 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, i was going to ask you something, but forget what < 1299274926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, pre-bugfix egojoust was much faster at running (()*3)*3 than ()*9 < 1299274934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reasons I don't fully understand < 1299274938 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know how you were going on about call by name being the most general of the calling conventions? < 1299274942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1299274944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to submit more programs that beat FFSPG but not allegro < 1299274954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it draws with allegro < 1299274964 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You may want to read http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~pbl/cbpv.html -- hey, *wow*, bham.ac.uk, I never even noticed! (No, seriously) < 1299274964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chainlance is wrong about the result < 1299274979 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, of course, refer only to the actual hill < 1299274987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Paul Levy < 1299274992 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly then you already know of call-by-push-value. < 1299275004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's one of the people who has to approve my interim reports on how I'm doing in the PhD < 1299275016 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get sucking up, then! < 1299275145 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299275253 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299275313 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in call-by-name languages, can foo(v) change the value of v? I'm not very familiar with the convention because it's so fucked-up :) < 1299275376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: generally things you can assign to and things you can't are different types < 1299275380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's assignable, yes < 1299275402 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right; consider a lazy call-by-name language where everything is assignable :) < 1299275411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best analogy for call-by-name is that it works like #define macros and can do everything they do, except it's scoped properly < 1299275415 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I forget what else I was thinking of to make things more confusing) < 1299275421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you call f(x), you give it your x rather than its x < 1299275444 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Preferably, if f(x) is x = x/2, then f(x+1) is x = (x+1)/2 - 1 < 1299275448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do things like this too: f(x,x+1) then x assigns 4 to its first argument, now its second argument is 5 < 1299275454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: yep < 1299275460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's parenthesised properly too < 1299275499 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what, "x+1 := 3" works in call-by-name languages? < 1299275505 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about f(x) := y for arbitrary f? < 1299275508 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1299275511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, x+1 isn't assignable < 1299275521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to be precise, you have to dereference x before you can add 1 to it < 1299275522 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's what I mean, a language where everything is assignable < 1299275530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is assignable in INTERCAL < 1299275537 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x+1) works where f is f(x) = { x := x/2 } < 1299275541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the existing impls aren't very good at it < 1299275550 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns into { x+1 := (x+1)/2 } === { x := (x+1)/2 - 1 } < 1299275563 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, you just have to define an inverse with every function < 1299275586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL and CLC-INTERCAL try to calculate it automatically, but often can't < 1299275595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it easier, they'll change the value of constants if necessary < 1299275620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogy: if you do x+1 := 5, and x is 3, it might change 1 to 2 rather than x to 4 < 1299275621 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was about to ask for a language where reverse(x) is x^-1, but iirc oerjan proved that every such language is trivial a while back :) < 1299275634 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1299275637 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forte! < 1299275643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a similar principle < 1299275650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in INTERCAL, all that changes are the literal constants < 1299275656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in CLC-INTERCAL, literal line numbers too < 1299275667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't change things like intermediate results in calculations like Forte does < 1299276054 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299276056 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUBROUTINE MUTATE(N) N=3 RETURN After calling MUTATE(2) in some FORTRAN implementations, you find that 2=3 < 1299276145 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299276178 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some - bad ones :P < 1299276193 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, call-by-name is annoying because I'm having a hard time inventing a convention _more_ insane < 1299276199 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299276200 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299276200 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299276212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: hmm, call-by-name is annoying because I'm having a hard time inventing a convention _more_ insane < 1299276213 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use call-by-telephone, then. < 1299276222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottx: yep, you should just have asked zzo38 < 1299276229 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1299276234 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about: variables are named by expressions; every parameter becomes a variable named by its expression, initialised to the same expression's value < 1299276237 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the variable is then passed by reference < 1299276238 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1299276245 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subroutine mutate(n) < 1299276248 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : n := n + 1 < 1299276249 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end < 1299276250 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1299276252 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutate(42) < 1299276254 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print(42) < 1299276255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I'm going to modify the quote to add zzo38's response, it works pretty well < 1299276257 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints 43 < 1299276260 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because 42 was changed < 1299276264 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because "42" means the value of the variable "42" in the current scope < 1299276274 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(initially 42) < 1299276309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, HackEgo isn't here < 1299276358 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please tell me that's at least as insane as call-by-name... < 1299276359 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299276363 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the variables are dynamically-scoped < 1299276364 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1299276367 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(named after expressions) < 1299276374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think call-by-name is sane, if a little hard to work out mentally < 1299276391 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going for IN-sane :P < 1299276407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's an implication that I might not be the best person to ask for advice < 1299276442 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fine, is this convention MORE sane than call-by-name :P < 1299276453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1299276457 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In QBASIC we have the default is to pass the pointer in the subroutine unless it is BYVAL or it is not specified as a single variable name. By combining that with VARPTR, I can do a few things with pointers. < 1299276492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I tried that once when I was younger, but got confused < 1299276516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while I realised that for pointers to SINGLE type values, it was easier to copy them into a new SINGLE type value, rather than try to figure out their value from the individual bytes < 1299276542 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can use TYPE and LSET to copy bytes from one type to another < 1299276579 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:07:27 --- join: ais523 (n=chatzill@chillingi.eee.bham.ac.uk) joined #esoteric 05:07:45 Sorry about that, I forgot to join #esoteric before I started sending messages to it < 1299276606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that my first message that ever reached the channel? < 1299276609 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what I was doing didn't even do like that, instead, I pass pointers to the subroutine and then check to see if it is pointing to a specific variable, and those things, too. < 1299276613 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no :) < 1299276614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me it was < 1299276616 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wish it was < 1299276617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, boring < 1299276631 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has +n I think you cannot send to a channel you are not joined to. < 1299276644 0 :elliottx!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299276649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299276649 0 :elliott!5b694c60@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299276649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299276649 0 :elliott!5b694c60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299276665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes #esoteric-minecraft -n
< 1299276668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sanity! < 1299276672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s and -n, the best combination < 1299276681 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do explain that. < 1299276695 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened now to the gateway/ and unaffiliated/ ?? < 1299276700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: nobody can see it in whois and channel lists unless they're in it, but you can send messages to it without joining < 1299276707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it added my cloak < 1299276712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i identified < 1299276717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: elliott's cloaked so when he identifies it hides his IP < 1299276725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't hide your IP via web access < 1299276725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, that message worked < 1299276728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect! < 1299276735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Freenode changed it, then overruled itself and changed it again < 1299276863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I noticed! < 1299276870 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1299276901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine most people don't even know how to send a message to a channel they aren't in < 1299276913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm completely unsurprised that zzo38 does < 1299276927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was actually a notice < 1299276929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a message! :P < 1299276937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299276944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You send the message the same way that you send a message to the channel that you are in! < 1299276946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's much the same < 1299276963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, just most clients hide the fact < 1299277005 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do most clients hide that too? < 1299277009 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are things called notices? < 1299277017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why does clog put my hostname in a notice? < 1299277029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they put it behind a command /notice, rather than sending a privmsg which has no prefix < 1299277043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: yes, they're meant for automated responses, like bot replies < 1299277049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "which has no prefix"? < 1299277052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE is the IRC command to do it < 1299277056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean in the client < 1299277061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how it's done "by hand" < 1299277064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299277081 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: You can send a notice to a channel or user with NOTICE instead of PRIVMSG (some clients will do it in different way) < 1299277114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: yes < 1299277114 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1299277128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is, clients tend to make a big deal out of notices < 1299277137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they're specced to be things you shouldn't make a big deal out of < 1299277193 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client doesn't treat notices any different, except that when information is requested, the request must use PRIVMSG and the response must use NOTICE < 1299277213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, triplock3 seems to be doing the best of all my programs < 1299277215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame chainlance < 1299277222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, I've been working on a boot-sector Forth < 1299277228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 510 bytes of code < 1299277231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out this is excruciatingly difficult < 1299277232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, now I'm curious; /did/ Gregor invent the triplock?Ii can't remember < 1299277239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that seems doable, although a bit tight < 1299277263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: consider that the absolute minimum to get into flat protected mode is about 54 bytes for me < 1299277264 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can fit it in the boot sector? I do not think you could fit all of the primitives in there, so it should still require manual initialization? < 1299277266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: including the GDT < 1299277288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (I overlap the first unused segment with the rest of the program, and only use one actual segment, which I change from read-write to read-execute with a xor right before setting cs) < 1299277297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (and I only set A20 with the short-but-not-universally-supported BIOS method) < 1299277323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now consider keyboard handling code... bios requires unprotecting and reprotecting, manual handling involves translating scancodes < 1299277328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm going to use a stripped-down set of primitives < 1299277344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why use the keyboard at all? < 1299277353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it isn't a Forth without a prompt... < 1299277363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a non-interactive Forth isn't worthy of the name < 1299277369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually being able to save your work is much less vital) < 1299277375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so not really, but as far as the Forth nature goes) < 1299277397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm planning to back word names into a 32-bit dword :) < 1299277409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can have a 32-long alphabet, enough for letters and some punctuation, and have names of max 6 chars, while still having two bits left over < 1299277416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(names are padded out with 0; in this case, probably "q") < 1299277421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scancode-order, obviously) < 1299277429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that i still need to translate to ascii to print to the screen < 1299277446 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why the A20 gate crap hasn't just been replaced with "I'm doing this on AMD64, and if you don't have that you're an idiot and deserve the boot crashing and burning on you".
< 1299277450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it makes no sense that triplock3 is doing this well < 1299277454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that padding has the fun effect that abc = abcq = abcqq) < 1299277462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should submit triplock2, which is a) marginally better, and b) not a oneliner < 1299277480 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used unreal mode and used the BIOS calls for keyboard, it will return the ASCII codes so that you can write to the screen < 1299277485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: x86's backwards-compatibility is one of its main selling points < 1299277498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Unreal mode still has the overhead of going into protected mode, though < 1299277499 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299277500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's no shorter < 1299277500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust triplock2 http://sprunge.us/DcXF < 1299277510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299277520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you lgdt without going into protected mode, and have it work properly? < 1299277522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be very surprised if you could < 1299277526 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you can switch out of protected mode afterward < 1299277526 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_triplock2: 42.5 < 1299277529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you going out of real mode? < 1299277539 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299277553 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are writing a system that small you should not ever need to go out of real mode, though. < 1299277560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because dealing with segment addresses in Forth code is just perverse < 1299277561 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're talking to zzo38, it's because he's a nutcase and reason just doesn't factor. < 1299277576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ and ! being indices into a gigantic flat memory space is a vital part of the Forth philosophy < 1299277636 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make a system that the data area is only 64K and the native code area is another 64K? < 1299277690 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to make it on GameBoy too, the one on GameBoy you cannot even address more than 64K memory. < 1299277722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I don't think he's any less sane than anyone else in this channel < 1299277722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if I'm never going to get waterfall on top of the leaderboard, how will I get to do a crazily long and detailed explanation of it? < 1299277727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose I could just say "oh, just use one segment"! < 1299277730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ouch, I'm lagged < 1299277731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299277733 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well... < 1299277737 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-195-9.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299277749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try real mode, I suppose < 1299277755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, I'll ping olsner to ask about my insane idea :) < 1299277789 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seems to be incapable of rational thought, at least on the same precepts as everyone else, and he is _incapable_ of dealing with the fact that other people are not exact duplicates of his mind state. < 1299277822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: his thought process is entirely rational, it just starts from different premises to everyone else's < 1299277901 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, allegro's on top again < 1299277947 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On top of what? < 1299277967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the furry furry girls < 1299277995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know what you two mean... < 1299278011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that table is bugged, I don't trust it < 1299278033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegro does do better than waterfall3 in my local testing, though (over 1200 compared to just under 1100 wins-losses) < 1299278165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl < 1299278170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1299278173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\bot disappeared _again_ < 1299278176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we not worthy?? < 1299278182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's offline < 1299278212 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl :: (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a < 1299278406 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299278500 0 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-53-195.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299278657 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299278696 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299278761 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299278859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Underload wiki section up < 1299278868 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Scotireland < 1299278875 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do... do people actually do that? < 1299278901 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Yes. < 1299278906 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, oh dear god. < 1299278949 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember: Dick Van Dyke's "British" accent sounds legitimately British to many of us. < 1299278972 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not as extreme to me due to lack of personal experience. < 1299279001 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :American trying to do Cockney. < 1299279063 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already knew that you all think that Scotland consists entirely of the Highlands, but being the same as Ireland... < 1299279085 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eh, the accents are both rhotic. Close enough, right?" < 1299279119 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But YOUR accents are rhotic! < 1299279134 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's a UK rhotic accent! < 1299279179 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look: we can't even honestly portray regions of our own country consistently. Much less other countries. :P < 1299279262 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's between the east and west coasts, expect high levels of bullshit. < 1299279298 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[(Note that what is marketed as a Mars bar in the UK more closely resembles the American Milky Way bar than the American Mars bar.)]] < 1299279299 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what. < 1299279309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iodahucky < 1299279323 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even freaking seen a Mars bar here. < 1299279328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get Milky Ways in the UK too < 1299279339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're vaguely similar to Mars bars, but there are obvious differences < 1299279340 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that time. < 1299279341 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freaking Mars company. < 1299279481 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/the-world-according-to-americans.jpg Any further questions? < 1299279488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo.diagonalfish.net is down until further notice < 1299279534 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hey, where's England in the pussies section? < 1299279553 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, that's such a huge oversight I can't even begin to comment. < 1299279556 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, NOOOOO < 1299279561 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean that's a seperate landmass? < 1299279561 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299279564 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW WILL WE HEAR YOUR KARAOKE NOW < 1299279575 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, yes, due to the concentration of pussies. < 1299279582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My karaoke may be infected! < 1299279595 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I DO NOT CARE < 1299279604 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I WANT THAT FILE AND I WANT IT NOW < 1299279631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retrieve it now, tell me when you're done < 1299279714 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, *shivers*... yes, I have it. < 1299279725 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299279737 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1299279852 0 :hallvabo!hallvabo@caracal.stud.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299279859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gone undealt with since Oct. 2010 < 1299279861 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1299279906 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what happened to it? < 1299279921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malware < 1299279939 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299279965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some stress thingy, this time < 1299279975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's happened before < 1299279975 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... < 1299279995 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1299280142 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the stress website points to another < 1299280166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, to a site that is down < 1299280186 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it listened to the karaoke. < 1299280210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:32] you get Milky Ways in the UK too < 1299280213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep but they're not the same as in the us < 1299280365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how beautifully muddled < 1299280376 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's these minor things... < 1299280383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that surprised me is that McDonald's chips/fries are not the same in the UK and Canad < 1299280384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Canada < 1299280384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muddy Bars < 1299280396 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How so? < 1299280401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ones in Canada are much better IMO, and are more similar to Burger King chips in the UK than McDonalds chips) < 1299280408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: the UK ones are relatively tasteless < 1299280411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the salt < 1299280427 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very, very strange. < 1299280429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned gourmet canadians < 1299280439 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that McDonald's has a freaking obsession with consistency. < 1299280442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because they think Brits just don't care < 1299280455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: clearly a sufficient portion of brits don't :) < 1299280457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they make a big deal in the UK about selling British food < 1299280460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bring everything back online as it gets cleaned < 1299280469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :McDonalds, that is < 1299280474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the Big Macs are made from British beef < 1299280493 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, it's company policy to locally source ingredients, actually. < 1299280521 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But aside from that, they try and make it so that for each product that you can get internationally, it is the freaking *same* everywhere. < 1299280530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *British beef-based product < 1299280542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"100% beef" doesn't mean, you know, 100% actual beef meat. < 1299280549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1299280550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means 100% made out of stuff that came from cows. < 1299280553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point. < 1299280562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And yes, McDonalds and other fast food chains do rely on this difference.) < 1299280692 0 :hallvabo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299280733 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: More importantly, they rely on factory farming to make their meat nearly devoid of cost. < 1299280823 0 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-40-244.frgo.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299280851 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299280977 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: and flavor < 1299281005 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299281015 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though so far that's a matter of opinion < 1299281033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt is a flavour. < 1299281043 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... but it's added < 1299281049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but nobody *doesn't* add it. < 1299281059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's part of mcdonalds chips by any reasonable definition < 1299281093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, McDonalds add the salt themselves before serving < 1299281100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although extra salt is available < 1299281109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Burger King serve the chips without salt and don't provide salt < 1299281111 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299281113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather, potassium chloride < 1299281117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burg- oh :) < 1299281136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hit upon the trick of taking the extra salt from McDonalds to Burger King once < 1299281141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I rarely have fast food anyway < 1299281156 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: potassium chloride is a salt... can you really taste a difference? < 1299281165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nowadays, don't add salt to things (although I eat things that contain salt naturally, or had it added by the manufacturer) < 1299281168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: it's quite an obvious difference < 1299281203 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will some HCl and mix it with some potassium to try
< 1299281210 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*get some < 1299281224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a bad idea, they might not cancel out exactly < 1299281240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you want to mix with potassium hydroxide < 1299281313 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1299281417 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299281786 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299282069 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my freaking hard drive dying or something? < 1299282081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE EVIL HAPPINESS CARTELS < 1299282095 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to test, but EVERYTHING THAT DOES A DISK ACCESS LOCKS UP RIGHT NOW < 1299282106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reboot? :-P < 1299282111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that sounds kind-of bad < 1299282142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's fine, just ask Sgeo; if you lose a disk, *don't* take it out of the computer, *don't* try and recover it, instead, just try and boot it a lot so that it gets even worse! < 1299282162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :days later, act amazed that recovering data from the disk might be impossible, and then give up when you learn it'll take about a day to run ddrescue < 1299282174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a tried-and-tested method of data nonrecovery < 1299282193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never gave up! < 1299282208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: orly? so you have your data now? < 1299282210 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The project is just on... hiatus from lack of suitable computer. < 1299282218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the data is permanently gone. < 1299282225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I had a hard drive break due to the power supply breaking and taking out some things connected to it with it < 1299282226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had a few days, you blew it. you gave up by not proactively rescuing it in that time. < 1299282235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the data's still on it, but the hard drive can't physically be turned on < 1299282252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just restored from backups rather than trying to repair it < 1299282253 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it degrades when it's not doing anything? < 1299282253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in Sgeo's case, it was dropping it. I'm not sure how one drops a hard disk so hard as to badly damage it without covering your fingers with butter, or not living on the same dimensional plane. < 1299282257 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inside no computer. < 1299282258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: X_X < 1299282269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had my normal client with all my fancy ignores. < 1299282276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also broke the CD drive, although obviously that didn't damage the CD in it < 1299282279 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION install smartmontools
< 1299282296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd like to see an optical drive that, if damaged while a disc is inside, damages the disc < 1299282302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, one that constantly spins the CD incredibly fast? < 1299282306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a delicate hold < 1299282420 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too hot. < 1299282453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's a good name for the function f : Generator a -> Generator (Int, a)? < 1299282463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. f [a,b,c] == [(0,a), (1,b), (1,c)] < 1299282464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intGenerator < 1299282465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python calls it "enumerate" < 1299282482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a terrible name, that would be something like [0, 1, -1, 2, -2, ...] enumerating all the ints < 1299282486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's what it suggests to me < 1299282499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natGenerator then ! < 1299282519 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The drive is currently 56 Celsius, which is covering *severe* lags. < 1299282528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that isn't what it is! < 1299282530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's zip [0..] < 1299282532 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm going to do is shut down and try and identify cooling problems. < 1299282538 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Here's hoping. < 1299282552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zipBracketZeroDotDotEndBracket < 1299282612 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299282660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pairWithIndex? < 1299282747 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1299282788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zipADeeDooDah < 1299282815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enumerate is better than all of these :P < 1299282994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh I just realised that Haskell lists are isomorphic to generators < 1299283030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Generator a = Generator { next :: Maybe (a, Generator a) } < 1299283040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Generator a = Geberatir (Maybe (a, Generator a)) < 1299283044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generator a = Maybe (a, Generator a) < 1299283048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generator a = Maybe (a * Generator a) < 1299283056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generator a = (a * Generator a) + 1 < 1299283061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as < 1299283068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data List a = Nil | Cons a (List a) < 1299283078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :List a = Nil | Cons (a * List a) < 1299283081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :List a = (a * List a) + 1 < 1299283913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can I tell nasm to generate a 32-bit mov instruction in 16-bit code? :P < 1299283919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, the same mov it'd use when using "bits 32"... < 1299284489 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200160.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299284640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it for? < 1299284653 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299284681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just "bits 32; mov blah; bits 16" to get exactly that, but it doesn't sound like a thing that'd usually make sense. < 1299284713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: For "not-actually-protected" mode X-D < 1299284721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: argh, why isn't vi the same as your conception of vi? < 1299284760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to do c^ < 1299284762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't working < 1299284772 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, oh: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/030411-ipv6-home-routers.html < 1299284790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because ais523-mental-vi is like anything of zzo38's < 1299284810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but c^ makes _sense_! < 1299284829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does zzo38's stuff, it just doesn't fit existing practice < 1299284864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I want to live in a world where c^ works; I'm deathly afraid that one day I will live in zzo38's world. < 1299284876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that this holds true of anyone who (1) isn't zzo38; and (2) uses vi a lot. < 1299284884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least they wouldn't think it _bad_ if c^ worked. < 1299284910 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1299284955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do instead? < 1299284958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing < 1299284965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how logical < 1299284974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm secretly waiting for Gregor or some other vim user to pop up with "oh, just use X" so I can get this done < 1299284980 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299285018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Friend-of-a-friend who apparently works in related field told that one big reason why no IPv6 on consumer routers is that (to save on the CPU power they need) they offload quite a bit of processing to the network chipset, and the hard/firm/software for those (Broadcom was specifically named as a culprit) is very much IPv6 only; so it doesn't really help that it's a Linux-based box, since the whole IPv6 side would work on software only, and they don't hav < 1299285018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e enough MIPS to do that on link speeds. < 1299285018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does d^ work? < 1299285025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it does, could you use d^i as a replacement? < 1299285048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/IPv6 only/IPv4 only/ < 1299285051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it doesn't < 1299285064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch does, though, so it's not like you can't replace behind you < 1299285092 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if DSL modem I have could do IPv6. It is in bridging mode after all. < 1299285098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, did it the proper way with s// instead :) < 1299285100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s/// < 1299285181 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299285346 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Routing mode surely not, but bridging mode might be another matter. < 1299285367 0 :Wamanuz4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299285777 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-9.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299285814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, rewired things more cleanly and got rid of dust... < 1299285933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: The one I have (ZyXEL P660-something) passes IPv6 just fine when bridging, at least. But that's not surprising, it's pretty much a layer 2 device only in that mode. < 1299285958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can conclude from SMART that my hard drive is not at risk of failure. However, if my system gets too hot again, I am going to need a new case. < 1299285992 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some overly "smart" modems filter IPv6 (among everything else non-IPv4). < 1299286147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, it was an overheat? < 1299286160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: When I shut my system down it was at 56°C. < 1299286165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*The hard drive*. < 1299286167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1299286179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they start losing data at 52? < 1299286190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did I misremember that? < 1299286206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, SMART shows 0 bad blocks. < 1299286210 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that low. But hard drives don't like high temperatures. < 1299286227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was apparently causing issues seeking. < 1299286241 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299286304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hard drive has so spun up 72 times. < 1299286315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit young to start failing. < 1299286363 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why it even overheats? < 1299286392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad case. < 1299286394 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299286484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't help matters any that my home filesystem is approx. insanely fragmented right now. < 1299286596 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Accoding to extended stats file: Total APNIC address space: 866 929 152 addresses (51.67 blocks). Free space: 66 832 128 (3.98 blocks). 92.29% depleted. < 1299286744 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accoding to the pie graph on APNIC site: 51.58 blocks total, 3.89 blocks free. 92.5% depleted. < 1299286802 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entiere APNIC free pool would fit in a /6. < 1299287242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm trying to do c^<-- works fine in vim... < 1299287298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: really? < 1299287302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's because i was in vi mode < 1299287312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, set nocp makes it work! < 1299287316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why child porn is immoral. < 1299287339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of compatibility mode would stop a command working and replace it with nothing? < 1299287361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: vim in compatibility mode is really strictly vi < 1299287367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, : has no command completion < 1299287378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"set nocp" basically turns vim into vim :P < 1299287760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame I don't have a terabyte drive handy. < 1299287779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how terable < 1299287779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, according to Reddit, PHP's ?: operator has broken associativity < 1299287785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I'm aware, the only real way to "defragment" a filesystem is a mass copy to an empty filesystem. < 1299287795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of doing a ? "a" : b ? "b" : c ? "c" : d or whatever < 1299287795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, on Linux. < 1299287807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to write it a ? b ? c ? "c" : d : b : a < 1299287816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, a ? b ? c ? "c" : d : "b" : "a" < 1299287822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand because this filesystem here has been near-full at several different points, I have uberfragmentation. < 1299287830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I really screwed up my metasyntactic stuff there < 1299287863 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299287870 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1299287872 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chat.freenode.net doesn't work < 1299287874 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc.freenode.net does < 1299287876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1299287878 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299287883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299287883 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299287984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mere 111 GiB free in my volume group ATM... < 1299288012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299288068 0 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299288120 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-109.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299288272 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299288469 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299288469 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299288469 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299288471 0 :javawizard!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jcp < 1299288520 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299288537 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299289192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299289208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299289793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you think I should try Linux From Scratch? < 1299290044 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-9.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299291869 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I͞͞ ̷́a͏m͟͝ ͜͝t̢h͠e̴ e̕͘l҉e̕͝c͘҉t̀͏r̢o͡͡ń̴i͝c҉ ̷̸in̸̷͟car͜n͢á̕t̛io͘n̴̷ ͟͜o̧f̢ ̴̛th̴͞͝é́̕ ̀ć́͠há͡o̸̸̧s̕͢ fo̵r͘͝m̴͡ì̢̡n͜͝g͟͡ ͏͝ţh͏̵e͜͠ ̀h̀͏̵i̴̧ve͜͞m͏i͘nd̶͞ ҉ < 1299293028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theatrical rereleases of the Star Wars movies... < 1299293035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting with The Phantom Menace. < 1299293040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, that's the one you start with? < 1299293056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that people would rather jab out their eyes than see a second time? < 1299293093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299293105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, and it's a 3D conversion. < 1299293105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how can I tell what inetd-alike I have installed on Debian < 1299293111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Eurgh. < 1299293115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck 3D. < 1299293139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Standard" 3D shooting is just a bit of a silly gimmick. < 1299293166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D *conversion* is just sending a two-year-old with crayons into an art gallery. < 1299293244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of the prequels, an art gallery displaying someone throwing shit at a canvas, mind, but still. < 1299293263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The Minecraft soundtrack is out and it is amazing. < 1299293278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/soundtrack/WITH MUSIC FROM, AND MUSIC INSPIRED BY,/ < 1299293318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And would it *kill* Lucas to freaking give a proper, unedited release to the original trilogy? < 1299293347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally the best extant copies are Laserdisc. < 1299293378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, and a rip of the Laserdisc which got put on DVD, as a special feature on a 2008 DVD release) < 1299293958 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299294094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00014592522i[CPU0 ] LOCK prefix unallowed (op1=0x46, attr=0x0, mod=0x0, nnn=0) < 1299294095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00014592537i[CPU0 ] LOCK prefix unallowed (op1=0x46, attr=0x0, mod=0x0, nnn=0) < 1299294095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1299294103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you still have to fuck with segments in unreal mode? :P < 1299294114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I *seem* to have magically fixed my cooling problems. < 1299294153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not so much "magic"; I did get rid of dust and work hard to improve airflow. < 1299294349 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299294500 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What instruction are you trying to use LOCK with and why? < 1299294511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: None :-P < 1299294516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the BIOS is. < 1299294527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I like to blame all my problems on the BIOS. < 1299294529 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what instruction is it complaining about? < 1299294542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question, good question, I guess it's time to figure out how Bochs' debugger works < 1299294587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: sti. < 1299294589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How strange. < 1299294599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: In fairness, I'm doing something that I am pretty sure you are not allowed to do < 1299294618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Loading a GDT, setting the segment registers, then jumping into the code segment, but with 16-bit code.) < 1299294621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And without turning on protection.) < 1299294624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, < 1299294630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably interpreting my code as 32 bits... < 1299294644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that will mean, if I do not change cr0?! < 1299294676 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op1=0x46? That would be INC (E)SI? < 1299294724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Well, like I said, 32-bit code segment, 16-bit code, is my bug... < 1299294750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I'm busy wondering what it means to turn off A20, load a GDT, and jump into a 32-bit code segment, without ever flicking protection on in cr0. < 1299294769 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK, how many bits the code has is determined by loaded CS segment descriptor. < 1299294786 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no way to load a 32-bit one in real mode. < 1299294801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A 32-bit code segment will often break in the BIOS, because it won't try to reload the high 16 bits of the instruction pointer at all. < 1299294807 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even the way 32-bit data selectors can be active in real mode. < 1299294815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I didn't even have "bits 32" :P < 1299294839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Sure, but I've loaded a GDT. Or are you saying that segments will still be loaded in the real mode style, even with a GDT loaded, because the CR0 flag is not set? < 1299294847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so I jump into -- pwzoom -- hyperspace? < 1299294878 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think x86 uses GDT in real mode at all. < 1299294933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1299294963 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it can't because the way GDT works is totally incompatible with real-mode addressing. < 1299295096 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like 0x0042 and 0x0043 both loading the same descriptor, etc. < 1299295191 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as far as I know, all code in real mode is 16 bits. < 1299295205 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299295221 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have broke something in my OpenID (even though I didn't change it). < 1299295311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't not change it, then. < 1299295336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Really what I want is a protected mode that can access the BIOS :P < 1299295347 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not going to happen? < 1299295351 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-p < 1299295356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yeah, but it's what I *want*. < 1299295365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm trying to pack this into 510 bytes! < 1299295400 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a better word than "Extracurricular activities" to describe things like ACM participation for a resume? < 1299295410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, storing 6 bits of ascii-64 gives me 5 characters with two bits left over... < 1299295424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Academic associations? < 1299295429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alliterative anchovies? < 1299295440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autopsycal avarice? < 1299295447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananagram boosters? < 1299295495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~\x7f < 1299295498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, no exclamation mark < 1299295508 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, I can still login to Hackiki. < 1299295534 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then you wouldd have to add a code that makes \x7f to ! and that would make it too large < 1299295563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Indeed. < 1299295567 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, the other way, move the starting number backward a bit and omit the lowercase letters < 1299295571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that talking to the keyboard directly and doing my own translation is the most prudent, perhaps. < 1299295683 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So instead of starting at @ you go !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ < 1299295691 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means also you have numbers, which is also important. < 1299295758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Actually I do not need numbers. < 1299295765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is only for regular words. < 1299295792 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about such words as 2DUP and stuff like that? < 1299295842 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try to login on my own OpenID consumer I get the error message "Call to a member function on a non-object in f:\\html\\openid\\Auth\\OpenID\\Server.php" do you know what is wrong with this? < 1299295886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means you're using Windows to host a server, and that's wrong < 1299295889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wrong. < 1299295982 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works everywhere else, just not on my own! I think I might have programmed the consumer program incorrectly! < 1299296122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Seems that what you'll need to do is actually go *fully* into protected mode before you have unreal mode running. < 1299296143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but unreal mode would end up more code than just talking to the keyboard directly in protected mode, I think, especially because I have to do the packing manually _anyway_. < 1299296157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have immense doubts this shit will work. < 1299296185 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299296197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh, to get unreal mode you should just need to set and unset CR0. < 1299296216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1299296219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm saying that the BIOS isn't useful enough to make the extra bytes there pay off. < 1299296225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299296237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly though 16-bit code would be smaller. < 1299296238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot, works in bochs but not qemu < 1299296242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll work on the assumption that qemu is borked < 1299296250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is generally safe. < 1299296255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1299296264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A generally safe assumption. < 1299296267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1299296297 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Isn't the VGABIOS Bochs uses from qemu? < 1299296316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. All I know is that my screen writes aren't appearing in qemu. < 1299296331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't think that modifying the GDT between two segment loads is the kind of thing a sane virtual machine should support. < 1299296333 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that VGABIOS is borked. < 1299296363 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has perfectly sane semantics. < 1299296390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: qemu often makes shortcuts in its emulation, though. < 1299296415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much an x86 emulator as it is an emulator of the subset of x86 that common OSes use. < 1299296418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And that VGABIOS is borked. < 1299296419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1299296423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a better one? :P < 1299296438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If only common OSes weren't painfully slow in qemu :P < 1299296447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Compare with bochs. < 1299296455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Compare with VirtualBox :P But yeah. < 1299296462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realise VB wasn't out at the time.) < 1299296499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And qemu doesn't implement its emulation in a way that it can take advantage of x86-on-x86-ness... < 1299296519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1299296531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, it bytecode-compiles all the architectures it supports into a single bytecode, and then JITs that. < 1299296544 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299296566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gahh, it seems like the keyboard is sending separate key-down and key-up requests. Well. I knew that. < 1299296577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still irritating. < 1299296583 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the problem with OpenID. The problem was the trust URL and return URL did not agree with each other. < 1299296690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My browser hallucinated that LFS said to use kernel 2.6.35 < 1299296714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299296719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which bit controls keydown vs keyup in a scancode < 1299296720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299296845 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bit 7 is clear on keydown, set on keyup (except for E0/E1 bytes). < 1299296858 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E0/E1s are always E0 / E1. < 1299296867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: You are a veritable font of knowledge. (What's E0/E1?) < 1299296877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1299296888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started doing stuff JUST as LFS gets updated to 6.8 < 1299296890 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E0 is prefix for 2-byte keycode (E1 is 3-byte). < 1299296890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. The. Fuck... my keyboard code only works if I write to VGA memory in the poll-keyboard loop. < 1299296896 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299296905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about cycle timing, adding in a "nop" doesn't make it work. < 1299296914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I keep typing with the broken code the keyboard buffer fills up. < 1299296923 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am entertaining the LFS people < 1299296930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bet is: Bochs only updates the keyboard controller when some "system" stuff is accessed, e.g. BIOS, interrupts, or say VGA memory. < 1299296935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since I have interrupts disabled... < 1299296949 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Enter is 0x1C(0x9C), keypad enter is 0xE0 0x1C (0xE0 0x9C). < 1299297053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Perhaps it's simply not assuming anyone would actually directly poll the keyboard? < 1299297061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHYEVER NOT < 1299297073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well DOS didn't use HLT. < 1299297078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was in *some* kind of busy loop. < 1299297138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF. < 1299297143 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absinthe is terribl < 1299297143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not every write to VGA ram works. < 1299297161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: terribl indeed < 1299297263 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about DOSBox? It has its own BIOS and AFAIK can load disk images. < 1299297366 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1299297370 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. IMGMOUNT and BOOT. < 1299297386 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's terrible lag between the srever my irc is on and my home computer :| < 1299297403 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I actually thought I was writing that in another channel, in response to a thing :| < 1299297455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: heh, that sounds like fun < 1299297462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: oh. i assumed you were drunk on absinthe < 1299297497 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I avoid that like the plague < 1299297529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, can't be much worse than any other hard liquor. < 1299297611 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you don't need IMGMOUNT, just BOOT. < 1299297620 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'BOOT '. < 1299298125 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299298221 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299298358 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299298732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299299020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299299025 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-229-130.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299299039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling binutils :D < 1299299156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going to need to sleep while it runs < 1299299859 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: :-\ < 1299299871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It finished < 1299299899 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took 11min < 1299300077 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299300691 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299301129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lectures on Youtbe > TV < 1299301133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youtube, even. < 1299301384 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I want to try NixOS, but LFS or Arch looks easier < 1299301420 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-182-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299301426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299301438 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I should learn more about package management < 1299301569 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at this: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/texwiki/view.php/0 < 1299301758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, have you ever done Linux From Scratch? < 1299301775 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have been planning to do so. < 1299301787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will do so when I get another computer. < 1299301796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is doing it in VirtualBox
< 1299301979 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to try stuff with this wiki? < 1299302005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1299302054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't want to be owned
< 1299302085 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "I own you!" is just something I put for testing... that file is not locked, so anyone with account can modify it. < 1299302101 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Select "[Admin]" to check if a file is locked.) < 1299302142 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299302248 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It no longer says "I own you!" Now it says "I invented this wiki." < 1299302430 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what do you think of it? < 1299302437 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299302829 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need sleep < 1299302873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, probably I will sleep too. < 1299302880 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: now sleep < 1299304049 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1299305484 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. It is *really* nice not having to do mental gymnastics just to accept both professed faith and reasonable scientific observations as true. < 1299306363 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. < 1299306527 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicer still to not have to do mental gymnastics just to accept chapter 1 and chapter 2 of the same damned book simultaneously. :P < 1299307026 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299307070 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062215.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299308600 0 :zeotrope!~abc@unaffiliated/zeotrope JOIN :#esoteric < 1299309282 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299310632 0 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299310644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299310804 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299310900 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133108.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299311999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299312000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299313104 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but still, I'll ping olsner to ask about my insane idea :) < 1299313111 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now he's gone, great < 1299313120 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the insane idea? < 1299313228 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1299313430 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1299313668 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't seem to mention it anywhere near the line where he pings me, somewhat uselessly < 1299316138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Really? The site gave me an enormously difficult trig differential. Something like d/dx 2 sin(2x). Maybe you and I have different definitions of "simple"?]] < 1299316385 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that is an easy one, right? < 1299316575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's just 4 cos 2x. < 1299316676 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-46.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299316688 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299316822 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, then I got it right < 1299317417 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's how one considers there to be easy trig differentials if that is tremendously difficult that puzzles me. < 1299317541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's "(enormously difficult, trig) differential" there, not "enormously difficult (trig differential)". < 1299317574 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/UEMQw.png < 1299317575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299317740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That CAPTCHA thing is a bit iffy, though: there's only one variable, so I think they're just using the partial d to confuse people.) < 1299317790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which captcha thing is this? < 1299317794 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299317850 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181139061.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299317851 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299317861 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives you a relatively simple derivative and asks you to solve it. < 1299317869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for a quantum random generator thing. < 1299318493 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-136.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299319388 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, good way to keep out a large portion of the human popluation! < 1299319575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299320223 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299320358 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181138044.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299321808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299321813 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-179-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299322549 0 :leonid!~leonid@CMU-416717.WV.CC.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1299322562 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1299322566 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to livestream my codegolfing < 1299322573 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to golf in ruby and python < 1299322575 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone interested? < 1299323360 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299324332 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.livestream.com/leonid < 1299324528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299324539 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what happened to my laptop again? < 1299324792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1299325020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299325133 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299325475 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299325521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, yeah, and it's a 3D conversion. < 1299325527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now even more jar-jarring < 1299325706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:03:08 Phantom_Hoover, good way to keep out a large portion of the human popluation! < 1299325726 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! < 1299325730 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are times where you'd want that. < 1299325780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, with irony the likes of which has not been seen since that guy was crushed to death in a church while thanking God for saving his life, it allows most computers in. < 1299325910 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it polynomial-derivative level easy? < 1299325921 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could complicate OCR enough to make that the main challenge. < 1299325929 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to the actual mathematics. < 1299325954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, but it's beautifully rendered LaTeX. < 1299325988 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1299325996 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Lymia < 1299325999 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299325999 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1299326007 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How complex are the derivatives in question. < 1299326013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia_: you cannot make a hard derivative with common functions. < 1299326034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a simple mechanical process, even for humans. < 1299326063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now integrals are worse - but still computers would beat humans by far < 1299326090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kind of captcha that can only work because spammers would never bother to target it. < 1299326218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course people who's brains don't really comprehend math could still consider a derivative difficult < 1299326222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whose < 1299326330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: have you considered grouping Lymia_ with Lymia? < 1299326344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recommends that
< 1299326494 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's better, coq or agda < 1299326535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used either, but elliott would say coq is better i think < 1299326559 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i want to think about what elliott would say < 1299326567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda being too badly designed < 1299326572 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1299326627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, agda is a dependent programming language that pretends to be a theorem prover without giving any of the convenience for it that coq does < 1299326668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i said elliott because he is the first person here that i remember has been interested in them < 1299326716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1299326731 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ais did all that earlier < 1299326739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299326753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: that would be so like him :D < 1299326763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: proving things in coq is _still_, afaiu, a lot of work. < 1299326799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Agda doesn't really pretend to be a theorem prover as much as idiots make it out to be one. < 1299326811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299326852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly ais523 did it earlier, and then implemented it in hardware < 1299326871 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he first implemented hardware in it < 1299326879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe. < 1299326885 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then took the software and implemented the software implementing hardware in hardware. < 1299326896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BRAIN! < 1299326914 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, this hardware was running software. < 1299326932 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a br*infuck virtual machine. < 1299326946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then he woke up. < 1299326960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only logical conclusion to that scenario. < 1299327018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about Feather/ < 1299327090 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, because according to the technological singularity theory, YOU are a computer program running inside that bf VM < 1299327115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i wasn't, but you're obviously correct. < 1299327126 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're being dreamt of, in fact, you're just an episodic nightmare ^^ < 1299327142 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_Singularity < 1299327172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: sounds too likely for comfort. < 1299327281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I retroactively told myself the right answer. < 1299327313 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically the omega point theory says that at some point the humanity reaches the ability to simulate everything we ourselves see as the universe. the whole real universe is then converted into a molecular computer. < 1299327341 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then it goes on to calculate the probability of whether it's yet to happen or has already happened, and the probability it has is overwhelming ^^ < 1299327379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: i also find it likely that something singularity-like has already happened < 1299327398 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it hasn't < 1299327404 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's coming up - i'm going to the toilet < 1299327407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly before the universe was created < 1299327408 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brace for impact. < 1299327496 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299327532 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299328697 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i always wondered what was before the big bang! < 1299328740 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: was it just a singularity where all the wave functions went into destructive interference making the sum of all of them the theta vector? < 1299328756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that goes without saying. < 1299328832 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how the laws of physics might have looked "before the big bang" < 1299328850 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know, we can't even prove that the laws of physics are the same in all of our universe < 1299328872 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might very well be that we humans are in some sort of invisible sphere and suddenly as you exit it gravity stops working or something like that < 1299329285 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just don't understand people who use vim and put their esc key in the upper left corner of the keyboard. < 1299329561 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299329663 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133048.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299329686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1299331326 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299332229 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299332977 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Maintenance < 1299333626 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299333703 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181132037.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299335318 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-28.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299335367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299336886 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299337316 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299337918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't think that Debian can really compete with Gentoo. Sure it might be okay, but when it comes to dependencies, you probably are still going to have to get them all on your own. Or is there something like portage in the Debian world as well?" — http://web.archive.org/web/20040603174302/http://funroll-loops.org/ < 1299338763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299339173 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299339235 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-9.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299339408 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299339424 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299340077 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299340715 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299340720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299341847 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't compete with NixOS < 1299342502 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-227.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299342503 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299343311 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want DEC PDP-11/40 front panel! < 1299343330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299343934 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, says like the kind of thing I'd say if I knew little about anything other than Gentoo < 1299343942 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I wouldn't write it to an email list < 1299343998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I'm assuming you would at least know the slightest thing about a rival OS before denigrating it. < 1299344027 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I guess. I probably wouldn't include the insult < 1299344043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did recently insult HaXe due to a misunderstanding [I took it back though] < 1299344346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaXe? < 1299344822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haxe.org < 1299344870 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PHP : You can compile a haXe program to .php files." <- 'nuff said? < 1299344995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks so bland I can't even pass judgement on it. < 1299345061 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably means something that the first page doesn't say anything about what it actually is < 1299345483 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299345886 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying Arch < 1299345903 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo is too problematic < 1299345923 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problematic how? < 1299345943 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my c2d laptop is too slow to compile everything < 1299345972 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a system up and usable for everyday tasks within less than 2 hours < 1299345986 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299345988 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2d? < 1299346004 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :core 2 duo based laptop* < 1299346115 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd try gentoo on my pc < 1299346125 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this new and shiny core i7 < 1299346177 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the speed wouldn't be noticable since it has 24GB of RAM and SSD drives for system and recent data < 1299346185 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything works fast on it < 1299346186 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, compiling will pretty much always take longer than not compiling < 1299346239 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ubuntu in virtualbox under windows 7 runs fast on it < 1299346358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought I'd be happy with my 2GB of RAM < 1299346364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes off into a corner
< 1299346488 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299346623 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you were trying to say something about an "insane idea" earlier, so I'll just leave IRC now and read a book < 1299346631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it didn't work < 1299346639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i was going to try lgdt without changing cr0 < 1299346643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it an insane idea to be rid of me forever? < 1299346646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems that how segment loading works depends on cr0 < 1299346725 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I read that segment limits aren't actually reset by reloading segment registers in real mode < 1299346820 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are you doing? < 1299346905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: trying to stuff forth into 510 bytes < 1299346915 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1299346935 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday i thought about implementing forth in asm < 1299346946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's easy < 1299346953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it in 510 bytes with no operating system is not < 1299346955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(boot sector forth) < 1299346966 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it turned out i'm too lazy and started watching photos of DEC PDPs for several hours < 1299347082 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you using an assembler? < 1299347087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Um, yes, nasm. < 1299347096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite insane enough to write machine code by hand. < 1299347116 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T USE NASM YOU'LL UPSET VORPAL < 1299347129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT&T SYNTAX IS MUCH BETTEr < 1299347144 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's just numbers < 1299347151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BETTER < 1299347164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what's the point of doing that? < 1299347167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Yes, but it's a lot easier to use an assembler. And it removes no power from me: I regularly read the listing files and tweak my code to shorten them. < 1299347178 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ultimate haxorness feeling < 1299347179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: There's basically no advantage to writing in direct machine code. < 1299347183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasm → machine code is a simple mechanical process. < 1299347189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Oh, and nasm with -Ox does branch optimisation stuff. < 1299347196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a localised, but very useful, optimisation. < 1299347211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It just optimises branch offsets.) < 1299347215 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, seriously, once i've build an OISC on a protoboard and set up 8 LEDs and 8 switches < 1299347223 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i programmed it using the switches < 1299347223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:40:54 Phantom_Hoover, good way to keep out a large portion of the human popluation! < 1299347225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299347225 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was so cool < 1299347226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an underscore < 1299347229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked like a space in the logs < 1299347232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in lymia's nick) < 1299347281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:43:21 i think ais did all that earlier < 1299347285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ais has done nothing with theorem proving systems at all. < 1299347295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:43:52 note: proving things in coq is _still_, afaiu, a lot of work. < 1299347298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not really true. < 1299347309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verifying functional libraries with it is rewarding. < 1299347312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving pure mathematical theorems is not < 1299347318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it is hardware) < 1299347320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299347321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it is possible) < 1299347327 0 :aloril_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299347402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh, oerjan getting "schooled" (ignorant bullshitted) on TEH SIGNULARITY Y0 by cheater < 1299347407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this log ends soon < 1299347412 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you limiting forth words somehow? < 1299347435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:16:07 oerjan: i always wondered what was before the big bang! < 1299347435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and everyone else before they realised that's a stupid question. < 1299347437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: define limiting < 1299347525 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you setting some limits on how such word should look like or rather permitting every string of characters without space < 1299347552 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you storing length or rather use null terminated words < 1299347579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: neither < 1299347586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name is going to fit into one 32-bit dword. < 1299347593 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i see < 1299347596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 bits per char = 6 chars in a name with two bits left over < 1299347599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 bits = 32 choices < 1299347601 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane < 1299347605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := lowercase letters + 6 punctuation < 1299347610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: instead of storing the length, I'll 0-pad < 1299347615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, as I'm reading and translating scancodes < 1299347618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alphabet will be in scancode-order < 1299347623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll be padded out with zeroes which is the letter q < 1299347634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @ = @q = @qq = @qqq = @qqqq = @qqqqq < 1299347653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I'm not sure how i'll read integers at this point < 1299347659 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1299347665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how normal Forth behaves when you tell it to read a word and you give it some digits < 1299347668 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i just wanted to ask about integers < 1299347671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 42 actually compiles to {INTEGER, 42} or similar < 1299347693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I was thinking about making the first bit indicate whether the rest of the word is a name or a 31-bit integer, but really I have no idea how the word-reader should react to digit strings < 1299348065 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299348154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never underestimate an Australians desire for beer. Now we have space beer we might even start our own space agency. We have our priorities right down here." < 1299348159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time until first kangaroo in space... < 1299348647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends: do you mean kangaroo meat? < 1299348653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299348656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean kangaroo. < 1299348663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably going to be a while, then. < 1299348666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strayan Spagency. < 1299348695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No point launching a kangaroo into space until you have enough space in your space station to have kangaroo kickboxing in space. < 1299348776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, they just have to invent the space barbie first. < 1299348785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they have space beer -- < 1299348788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sify.com/news/oz-firms-develop-first-beer-that-can-be-consumed-in-space-news-international-ldbnEpdabje.html < 1299348793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The comment I quoted was from the reddit thread of that.) < 1299348840 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299349430 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299349727 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how big is this forth at the moment < 1299349728 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299349752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it isn't even a forth :) < 1299349758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to talk to the keyboard at this stage < 1299349914 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299350206 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my oak soda needs less sugar. < 1299350478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your sugar needs less oak soda. < 1299350494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/05/exclusive-nasa-scientists-claims-evidence-alien-life-meteorite/#comment < 1299350504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to nuke the place from orbit. < 1299350529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if we can get all of Fox News there first. < 1299350657 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple nukes. < 1299350790 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299351317 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299351341 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> He gave FoxNews.com early access to the out-of-this-world research, published late Friday evening in the March edition of the Journal of Cosmology. < 1299351342 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `of' < 1299351356 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i trust the science of someone who would do this < 1299351356 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299351393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: At least he actually sent it to a peer-reviewed journal *as well*. < 1299351417 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1299351421 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds like a publicity play < 1299351427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most definitely. < 1299351441 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The exciting thing is that they are in many cases recognizable and can be associated very closely with the generic species here on earth,” < 1299351442 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1299351446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if this turns out to be BS, his career is probably ruined. < 1299351452 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they look an awful lot like earth life!" < 1299351465 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol tell that to whatsisname with the vaccination-autism shit < 1299351485 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he lost his license to practice, got thoroughly debunked, and his original article was withdrawn < 1299351492 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's still doing well for himself it seems < 1299351498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd consider that a ruined career. < 1299351511 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew wakefield, that's it < 1299351515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is still doing well for himself, only because there exist stupid people with money. < 1299351525 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's not ruined < 1299351526 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1299351533 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in a tangible sense < 1299351535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he is horribly unlikely to ever do science again. < 1299351545 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's arguable he wasn't doing science before < 1299351546 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1299351581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, point is, now his career depends on the whim of crackpots. < 1299351660 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Maybe life was seeded on earth -- it developed on comets for example, and just landed here when these things were hitting the very early Earth,” Shostak speculated. “It would suggest, well, life didn’t really begin on the Earth, it began as the solar system was forming.” < 1299351674 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously god got bored one day, so he invested snowballs with life and played a game of darts < 1299351674 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1299351793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes he wasn't so easily scared.
< 1299351812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, after reading the SCP wiki I didn't sleep at all for an entire night. < 1299351815 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scared of dead alien bacteria? < 1299351816 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same applied to the slender man. < 1299351819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can fix that! < 1299351824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, HOW < 1299351832 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's scp < 1299351842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Vell, ve simply remove ze amygdala. < 1299351848 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKES SENSE < 1299351858 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, X-Files: the wiki. < 1299351868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can I do this with a drill? < 1299351881 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299351887 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trepanation for fun and profit < 1299351902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not without damaging other portions of the brain. < 1299351908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, dammit. < 1299351915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, the neocortex. < 1299351933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Do I need that? < 1299352038 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299352042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you feel about abstract thought? < 1299352061 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook comments system for other sites... Anybody else think of "security nightmare"? < 1299352131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ < 1299352394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like OpenID but centralised! < 1299352429 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least OpenID doesn't have to be a security nightmare. < 1299352469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299352636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the Web stuff is a security and taste nightmare. < 1299352665 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299352802 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, of course you can't sleep if you're up all night reading SCP instead :) < 1299352835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but I stopped, and was then incapable of sleeping < 1299352873 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299352995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299353003 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-185.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299353018 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299354143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wonder if some kind of modified Burro couldn't fit this < 1299354149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pasting! paste is immoral < 1299354155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1299354178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like the inverse of (a/b) is (b'/a') < 1299354180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ' is inverse < 1299354183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well kayak sort of does reverse(P) = P^-1 < 1299354185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in burro < 1299354186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1299354191 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Phantom_Hoover, there's a device that might make improvements to you < 1299354192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if )b/a( < 1299354194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the same as (a/b) < 1299354195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna try it? < 1299354200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that's a start < 1299354203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it doesn't work with non-termination < 1299354204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES IT INVOLVE A DRILL < 1299354205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the basic commands have to become two characters, of course < 1299354212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're their own inverse < 1299354215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the details < 1299354222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so + has to be ab and - has to be ba, say < 1299354237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< has to be xy, > has to be yx < 1299354241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it might very well be possible to find a set of basic commands that _are_ their own inverse < 1299354245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, err < 1299354251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I just did it with reverse(P) < 1299354269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burro where +, -, < and > are two chars, and )b/a( means (a/b) < 1299354275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299354279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: take a look at kayak < 1299354281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually )a/b( means (a/b) < 1299354285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1299354292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think this was actually my inspiration :) < 1299354302 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it has robotic arms < 1299354307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGFqfTCL2fs < 1299354314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy is the most awesome person ever. < 1299354330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm is )a/b( ambiguous with (a/b) :) < 1299354340 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some of his other videos: he draws holograms by hand. < 1299354344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299354346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ((a/b)c/d(e/f)) < 1299354352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, no < 1299354352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kayak doesn't quite reverse on brackets < 1299354353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not ambiguous < 1299354357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other parsing has three /s < 1299354383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I didn't know the hologram thing < 1299354393 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've seen his hypotheses about traffic < 1299354417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm a command which does (a,b) = (b+1, a-1) < 1299354426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be self-inverse < 1299354449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUy8lELWhJg&feature=relmfu < 1299354457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you combine with other swapping things < 1299354475 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works by drawing arcs so that the reflections change. < 1299354502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you saying that < 1299354509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299354517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't see how this gets around your proof < 1299354535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he also did that maglev thing. < 1299354551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have stumbled upon him in my magnet phase. < 1299354563 0 :nooga_!nooga@jasminek.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299354576 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299354585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm just considering how to make all the base commands self-inverse, it won't apply to combined ones of course < 1299354609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: could it if you made a sufficiently complex sequencing command? :-P < 1299354623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299354631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = -a is an obvious one < 1299354685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two combined still don't change overall parity though < 1299354690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you have a stack then P(x) := if TOS = x then pop else push x is an obvious one < 1299354694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how well or poorly KT-AT would deal with those holograms
< 1299354705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all x < 1299354718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um no, what if there are two x on top < 1299354720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1299354728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: irrelevant < 1299354733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(10)P(10) === e < 1299354752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: P(10)P(10)P(10) === P(10) < 1299354756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, increment your "Sgeo facepalm avoid" counter. < 1299354758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you just call her God? < 1299354759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric ::()^ is TURING COMPLETE! EVERYBODY PARTY???? | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299354769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um are you implying you _cannot_ have two consecutive equal elements on the stack? i suppose that might work < 1299354773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i'm not < 1299354776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm asking how it matters < 1299354784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, increment it again. < 1299354795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :DANGEROUS AARDVARKOIDS | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299354811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it matters because if there are two x on top of stack then two of that command pops both < 1299354838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah. well, just have P be the only function to push < 1299354843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's no way to get TOS = SOS < 1299354848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1299354906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course your "P(a) P(b) -> P(b+1) P(a-1)" (using P() to do underload-style stack notation) will need adjusting < 1299354912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case b == a-2 or similar < 1299354933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why did you ask that? < 1299354959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her vision isn't exactly great. < 1299354975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1299354978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch < 1299354981 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No depth perception, or? < 1299354992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1299354998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i wasn't imagining a stack language for that one, anyway < 1299355023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes. < 1299355030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's a bit worse than that < 1299355031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1299355043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if even then +1 else -1 < 1299355044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, please tell me she has an eyepatch. < 1299355046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one < 1299355059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299355080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you that, but it would be a lie. < 1299355093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1299355239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commands that flip a flag under some condition (which must not involve that flag) is an obvious candidate < 1299355248 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@184.56.125.91.rb3.adsl.brightview.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299355256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how much worse is it than "no stereoscopy"? < 1299355269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think your if even then +1 else -1 can be considered that way < 1299355278 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use of only half of her good eye < 1299355285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm surely with such a self-cancelling language, reverse(P) becomes the inverse of P where atomic elements of P (including compound commands) are considered as one element < 1299355286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299355291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and reversing inside compounds < 1299355296 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if elliott's forth is complete yet?
< 1299355299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's just flipping the last bit always :D < 1299355307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: it's difficult man :D < 1299355308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha < 1299355315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that is not a bit worse. < 1299355315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if odd then +1 else -1! < 1299355327 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is much worse. < 1299355328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's a bit more awkward, with all that carry < 1299355335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: MOAR POWER < 1299355339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have no stereoscopy but 20:20 vision. < 1299355382 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of holograms, as opposed to "how bad is vision", I don't think it makes much difference < 1299355412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say "half"... < 1299355428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that "half the field of vision radially", or what? < 1299355437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: however recall how burro needs to disallow all but the global loop to avoid the non-termination issue < 1299355449 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really need to know all these details < 1299355489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1299355499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ELSE WILL I PASS JUDGEMENT ON YOU < 1299355508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is there to judge? < 1299355524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: instead of ordinary brackets, the language needs to use something isomorphic to the alternating " ' quoting style < 1299355526 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess < 1299355536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, EVERYTHING < 1299355541 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott was pasting my quotes and talking shit about me because he's insecure < 1299355545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you don't need to change any characters < 1299355553 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scrolls up
< 1299355556 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13:16:07 oerjan: i always wondered what was before the big bang! < 1299355556 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you and everyone else before they realised that's a stupid question. < 1299355561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could define 0 as _|_ :D < 1299355563 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how... surprising < 1299355569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then an infinite loop is the inverse of every program! < 1299355572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, one side of the field of vision < 1299355600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm... that's not the kind of inverse we are considering here < 1299355607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thatsthejoke.jpg < 1299355677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, obligatory jibe: at least that explains why she wanted to date you! < 1299355689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No malice intended. It's just business.) < 1299355714 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would have been better if it were ever actually clear that she wanted to date me < 1299355747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, i'm going to ignore this. < 1299355749 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even worse, I think. Even the blind don't want to date me QQ < 1299355775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i could just manage to write in the right window, everything would be perfect < 1299355792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, *blind nutcases < 1299355835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait no, it wouldn't.) < 1299355853 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299355872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but but it would bring about world peace :( < 1299355990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. okay then. < 1299356001 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would bring about world peace? < 1299356007 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think something would. < 1299356036 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it was a joke < 1299356041 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : now if i could just manage to write in the right window, everything would be perfect < 1299356044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan> (wait no, it wouldn't.) < 1299356053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEATH OF ALL THE PUNY MORTALS < 1299356059 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: who's KT=AT? < 1299356064 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KT-AT, sorry < 1299356085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some war droid Sgeo is infatuated with < 1299356136 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP < 1299356144 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm infuriated with it < 1299356153 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is most certainly NOT infatuated with PHP!
< 1299356197 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299356197 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299356197 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299356198 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is that your girlfriend? < 1299356221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N..not .. not currently < 1299356240 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, i'm sorry, i hope you guys get together < 1299356253 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you break up or something? < 1299356258 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1299356281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crush, some reason to believe it's not returned, some to believe it might be < 1299356287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just confused < 1299356296 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299356296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many many many reasons to believe it is. < 1299356300 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well poor you < 1299356328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's an idiot and you're clearly just indulging your previously-stated attraction to girls who have undergone some kind of hardship. < 1299356332 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a hint for you if you allow me to give you one < 1299356368 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let it drag on for too long or else you'll become the best friend < 1299356373 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at best < 1299356375 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a wiki for TeXnicard, now. < 1299356384 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299356387 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, that may have already happened < 1299356399 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh < 1299356405 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well there are multiple ways out of it < 1299356410 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to notify me if you want an account (even if you just want to try things with it) < 1299356462 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accounts is all logging in by OpenID. < 1299356491 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: one way is... you usually start spending time together and have some sort of habit of doing things < 1299356510 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you'll call her up every thursday, or you guys will watch movies or go eat lunch < 1299356515 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1299356520 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you carry her books around < 1299356555 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time this happens, show up late and be real irritated and keep it up like that, and be generally a bit pissed off about her (because hey, there's a reason for it anyways) < 1299356572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, how about I not be an asshole? < 1299356580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: i _just_ told elliott in the other window i didn't think you needed banning, and then you start doing this. < 1299356585 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many of you have OpenID, I am curious to know that? < 1299356600 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i start doing what? < 1299356608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he is obviously trolling you. < 1299356618 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm trolling him? < 1299356620 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wtf? < 1299356641 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dude, wtf? < 1299356677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god what's he doing now. < 1299356685 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyways, then she'll start asking herself what's going on, and when she asks you what's going on you can go all out < 1299356693 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I also think you do not need banning. At least, that is simply my opinion. < 1299356710 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have no idea why i would need banning < 1299356712 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, trying to give me "advice". < 1299356732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure oerjan still thinks that. :) < 1299356737 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, or I can just ask her directly if she sees me in terms of being a friend, or more < 1299356747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my current plan < 1299356748 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no that's terrible < 1299356753 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's the worst thing you can do < 1299356762 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this moves you from best friend to creep < 1299356789 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the thing is that being best friend means on emotional scale you are somewhere of a +2 for her < 1299356797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, god please don't respond to him. < 1299356800 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, secretly crushing on someone who sees me as a friend is also "creep" < 1299356806 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a scale -10 to +10 < 1299356823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put him on ignore. < 1299356833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you don't need to worry about *becoming* a creep. < 1299356847 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want is to get her to react to you, romance works in highs and lows, sometimes you have to provoke a low to get a high afterwards < 1299356886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: smooth < 1299356902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE AN ONION < 1299356910 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you're best friend it's this curse impossible to break through by doing only positive things, because she'll always think "oh, he's such a nice boy, i love having him as a friend" < 1299356943 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're always dependable and nice and courteous and stuff < 1299356979 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you start noticing that girls like assholes < 1299356996 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not really about that, it's just about the fact that the right boyfriend for a girl makes her life interesting < 1299357030 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of excitement and emotional drama is definitely well placed in a balanced relationship between two people who were not lobotomized < 1299357050 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The impression I get from reading various things is that the correct way to avoid into the "nice guy" trap is to be more direct, not to be an asshole < 1299357066 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just semantics < 1299357072 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people see being direct as being an asshole < 1299357086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confident that he will never be viewed as a nice guy.
< 1299357099 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem here is, 99 times out of 100 when you go to her directly and ask her what she feels it will turn out to be pleading < 1299357102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a mistaken impression that I'd imagine "nice guys" might have < 1299357114 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem there is that she's emotionally neutral towards you < 1299357117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, STOP TALKING TO HIM ALREADY < 1299357117 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299357121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING WILL COME OF IT < 1299357139 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you want to do it when she's very emotionally biased towards you < 1299357149 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT TAKE RELATIONSHIP ADVICE FROM A MAN WHO LIES ABOUT SPYING ON 14-YEAR-OLDS IN BALLET LESSONS. < 1299357158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1299357188 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either because you give her the most amazing day of her life (not likely) or because you pull the right strings and get her confused and a bit angry about what's going on (it also gets her to appreciate you more) < 1299357192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, he claimed he lived in some big house wherein ballet lessons took place. < 1299357195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, I want to know what she feels, not what I trick her into feeling < 1299357202 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i do. < 1299357210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given his general disposition on IRC, I call bullshit on that bit at least. < 1299357212 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you don't trick people into feeling things. < 1299357226 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you just let their feelings free by doing what you do. < 1299357244 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put him on ignore or I < 1299357258 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put you on so that I don't have to listen to this crap. < 1299357267 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there's no reason to shy away from the bad feelings (actually i wouldn't call that bad, because it's just constructive chaos) < 1299357286 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: simply because good things come out of it. < 1299357316 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you ask her what she feels you'll come off as a creep, because she's grown up and she can give you all the signs of what she feels towards you < 1299357327 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no signs = no feeling, or ambivalence < 1299357336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn the proximity of the backspace and return keys. Anyway. < 1299357336 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not using X is a waste of paper because then xdvi won't work. < 1299357405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, I'm not putting you on ignore, but I won't be responding after thiis. < 1299357415 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *shrug* < 1299357439 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: want to talk in msg? < 1299357458 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you agree or disagree with me about that? < 1299357507 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: full agreement. < 1299357551 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: About X and xdvi, that is (I told you just in case you thought I meant something else) < 1299357568 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. full agreement :) < 1299357589 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i find a graphical user interface is indispensable for, well, graphical things which dvi is after all < 1299357650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that every interface sucks. < 1299357656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some more than others. < 1299357677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though, when I am on that computer (at FreeGeek), I rarely use anything other than the command shell (often I use multiple tabs), and Firefox (since it is required for redmine), and xdvi (so that I can preview the file before printing it). < 1299357685 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I think you are correct. < 1299357727 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is why I would write my own window manager instead. (It still isn't good; but it is better than the other one, at least for me it is better than the other one) < 1299357748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows probably has the most damnable set of interfaces, though... < 1299357769 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1299357780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is not even considered *desirable* to have an interface consistent with the other ones there. Gag. < 1299357933 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is because everyone disagree about everything, and it make it mixed up, also that some things works badly in Windows which is why they try to do it in different way < 1299357991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have real issues with how tabs are done... < 1299357997 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm happy that ubuntu is ditching x < 1299358018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, how it damned well isn't the application's job. < 1299358025 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Y? < 1299358036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Not yet; as soon as Wayland is stable. < 1299358045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point essentially everyone will ditch X. < 1299358113 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, i'm talking about purely their plan to do it < 1299358129 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and that they allocated resources towards that actually happening < 1299358143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Not just Ubuntu that's doing it. < 1299358174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. Damned good thing. < 1299358214 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Athena widgets work on Wayland? < 1299358222 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah < 1299358224 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299358229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: X can work on Wayland. < 1299358232 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to use Athena widgets but a bit modified for keyboard use too. < 1299358241 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wayland can have an X inside it < 1299358255 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, you don't want that because it's like windows 98 mode in win xp. < 1299358264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't think you understand just how much people will cling to things that are familiar. < 1299358287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows xp has no windows 98 mode < 1299358293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think you understand how little this affects the morons. < 1299358399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: X, as far as these people are concerned (and, really, as far as most programs are concerned), is just the thing that puts pixels on the screen. < 1299358406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wayland does that with less bullshit. < 1299358435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have seen at least one blog post bitching about Wayland. < 1299358449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only thing that they'll actually *notice* is that all of a sudden, Linux graphics work better. < 1299358498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean I won't have to suffer terrible stability in my drivers any more? < 1299358533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they'll be DRI-based, so yes. < 1299358535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF they're ported :P < 1299358541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland still uses some of the same driver stack. < 1299358547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, DRI. < 1299358553 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a window manager be written with Wayland? < 1299358557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most X drivers don't use DRI < 1299358559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proprietary ones that is < 1299358565 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does it, I'm getting a decent desktop. < 1299358570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Full-on compositing manager. < 1299358583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is dying?!?! < 1299358584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*note: every time I conclude this I shrink back due to innate stinginess. < 1299358603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The authors of The UNIX Haters' Manual are crying. < 1299358604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They'll probably be forced to in not-too-long. < 1299358607 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Out of happiness] < 1299358615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or just refuse to support wayland < 1299358618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus stopping it ever being adopted < 1299358644 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how does it deal with mouse pointer? < 1299358648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not likely. *When* Ubuntu starts shipping with it out-of-the-box, what do you think they'll do? < 1299358660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ubuntu won't if the proprietary drivers aren't there. < 1299358670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ubuntu isn't sane. < 1299358673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't get the whole Herobrine log for today to load. < 1299358678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ubuntu value their market share. < 1299358680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember, these guys switched to Pulseaudio before it even worked. < 1299358683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Try refreshing a lot. < 1299358691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It "worked". < 1299358698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland without drivers will not "work". < 1299358710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Besides which, this issue will only really affect Nvidia. < 1299358724 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do black/white/transparent mouse pointer with some built-in, with it? < 1299358731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Presuming* the ATI drivers improve a bit. < 1299358737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure. < 1299358750 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watched "The End of Suburbia". Doesn't look good for the US. :-/ < 1299358772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Yeah, the next 20 years or so will probably *hurt*. < 1299358832 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use Wayland, I would have to change some things, including window manager, and mouse pointers, keyboard, make a library that does it with fixed-pitch bitmap font, widget, etc. < 1299358897 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want windows drawn with shadow, with glass, etc < 1299358966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs at the puny Americ—
< 1299358986 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can expect wayland to be very gnome-like. < 1299358986 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One major goal would be to avoid full-blown systems meltdown. If that happens in wide areas... The death toll woll be horrible. :-/ < 1299358988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers that Scotland has several services dependent on Westminster subsidising us for no good reason.
< 1299358995 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*would < 1299359006 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have no 3D windows, no dragging icons between windows.... < 1299359011 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just use X instead. < 1299359038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Free tuition and medication being a large part of this.) < 1299359045 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299359052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what's this about switching to PulsAudio? < 1299359062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are students I know protesting Scotland's tuition rises. I find them extremely obnoxious.) < 1299359109 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: have nvidia somehow said they don't support wayland? < 1299359170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland *only* replaces freaking X. Still going to have Qt or GTK on top... < 1299359172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I dunno. < 1299359309 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it doesn't really replace x, yet it does < 1299359315 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's a bit weird isn't it :D < 1299359357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: It replaces X entirely. People seem to have this bizarre misconception that replacing X involves replacing the entire GUI stack. < 1299359375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When really it's just replacing the part of the GUI stack that causes pain and agony. < 1299359391 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ya < 1299359402 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but not really because wayland is something that x can PLUG INTO < 1299359426 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more like, it replaces the part of X which does direct interfacing with the hardware.. < 1299359427 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of. < 1299359466 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299359489 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Yeah, but now X serves as a compatibility layer. < 1299359506 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299359517 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than the center of all hardware interaction, based around 80s conceptions of what needed to be done. < 1299359527 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and absolutely *retarded* conceptions of how to do it. < 1299359537 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is gtk going to get implemented for x? < 1299359541 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that even make sense? < 1299359550 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTK already has a Wayland backend. < 1299359560 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299359563 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's cool < 1299359573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299359576 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really not hard to make one... < 1299359585 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about existing apps - they're mostly compiled with shared usage of gtk right? < 1299359596 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In large part, yeah. < 1299359599 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically switching my gtk out with the wayland version should make all gtk apps use wayland? < 1299359607 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt also has a Wayland backend in the works. < 1299359608 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1299359617 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's pretty cool < 1299359624 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i like about linux < 1299359630 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better, GTK now has switchable backends. Environment variable and voila, your GTK apps will use Wayland. < 1299359647 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay-for operating systems would need you to recompile everything or something < 1299359674 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this means of course waiting 5 years for the next os iteration and praying they do it this time around < 1299359712 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this should allow *significantly* better graphics performance. < 1299359721 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1299359723 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't wait < 1299359738 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in turn maybe high performance graphics could come to linux < 1299359744 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including, you know, computer games < 1299359757 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, cutting out pointless context switches. < 1299359758 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as much as i hate to admit, this is the one step needed to make linux mainstream < 1299359881 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i think if computer games came to linux it could really show how much more performance you can get from the system < 1299360025 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly *is* wayland ? < 1299360060 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not X. < 1299360086 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah - the ubuntu non-network-transparent X replacement? < 1299360097 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Ubuntu/Freedesktop.org/ < 1299360111 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu isn't responsible for it, they merely intend to use it in the future. < 1299360122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, you say "non-network-transparent" like it's a bad thing, < 1299360131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it's not ubuntu's < 1299360141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: also, network-transparency should be done at the toolkit level < 1299360142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtk, qt, etc. < 1299360144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what is happening < 1299360148 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not *inherently* non-network-transparent. < 1299360150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that allows for MUCH more efficient network-transparency < 1299360159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with much less complexity in the server, and more speed too < 1299360163 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The toolkits *or* the compositer server can easily do network transparency. < 1299360170 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/er/or/ < 1299360183 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1299360220 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Basically, Wayland is a new API for programs to communicate with a display server, with *signficantly* reduced complexity. < 1299360236 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes - I figured that once cheater00 said its "Not X" :-) < 1299360248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater says many things < 1299360251 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, in essence, every bit of complexity in X has either been moved elsewhere or made irrelevant. < 1299360255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least that one is correct < 1299360270 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was involved with X for a bit, supplied some patches and whatnot. I'll have to check out wayland < 1299360312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is a good contender for my least favourite program < 1299360317 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ditto < 1299360343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The X server has to be the biggest program I've seen that doesn't do anything for you." --ken thompson < 1299360343 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also seen some talk about "X12" but meh - I'll look into wayland :-) < 1299360541 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X12 almost certainly isn't happening. < 1299360565 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is basically nothing in the X design that deserves to remain. < 1299360597 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still boggles the mind that X11 traditionally has literally all the device drivers in the X server. < 1299360611 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yes exactly < 1299360838 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299361064 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wayland seems very similar to android's graphics system < 1299361134 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-136.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299361141 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299361801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Guile 1.8 the same as Guile 2? X-D < 1299363430 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299363800 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"madvise - give advice about use of memory" < 1299363833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while cackling maniackally < 1299363861 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, that's probably correct... I'm guessing the verb is spelled with s and the noun with c < 1299363874 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advise the advice < 1299363875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: indeed < 1299363884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advise the advice that it's very helpful < 1299363939 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does look like a case of misspelled api that has to be supported forever < 1299363946 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299363974 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299364049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: just turn it into a neologism, like referer < 1299364052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becomes jargon < 1299364106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a referer? < 1299364132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the referring page < 1299364138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the page the link you clicked was on < 1299364139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an http header < 1299364186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rfrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr < 1299364198 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is odd, sbrk fails after allocating only 130MB - for some reason I just get a miniscule piece of heap between the stack and the last piece of the executable < 1299364300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what are you doing? :p < 1299364319 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making my own malloc, of course < 1299364373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbark < 1299364387 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to rewrite it to use mmap for everything, but was trying to postpone that and live a little more conveniently with a contiguous heap as long as I can get away with it < 1299364691 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299364807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: use some fancy functional structure for mmap! :-P < 1299364811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a ZIPPER over MEMORY < 1299364860 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299364886 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God the Slackware FAQ is old < 1299364939 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but I am currently using purely functional data structures as my guide to all things data structurey < 1299364955 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299365145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Referer is an infamous misspelling in the HTTP spec. < 1299365164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to Referrer? < 1299365177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1299365191 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referer :) < 1299365403 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299366031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Deewiant, what does it mean if Guile segfaults on any evaluation < 1299366074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's an evil scheme < 1299366207 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that's a pun < 1299366237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSES, FOILED AGAIN < 1299366265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these pesky kids and their pun recognition < 1299366630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what does it mean if i and the. < 1299366713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could i possibly know the < 1299366771 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To amend the Clean Air Act to prohibit the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency from promulgating any regulation concerning, taking action relating to, or taking into consideration the emission of a greenhouse gas to address climate change, and for other purposes" < 1299366851 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299366851 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299366851 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1299366882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a really bad idea, Alex? < 1299366983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan < 1299366986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean if the guile and the < 1299366989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1299367028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you need more badgers. < 1299367035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm using ALL the badgers < 1299367041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clone more. < 1299367072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*echm* < 1299367080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badger badger badger badger < 1299367089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives pikhq some cough drops
< 1299367119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind? < 1299367137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually LSD. < 1299367141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repsils with orange taste < 1299367147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1299367152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemon and honey < 1299367157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Insufficiently friendly with fishermen! < 1299367173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know you to be a fisherman < 1299367185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not. < 1299367189 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1299367382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: LSD? are you mad? < 1299367389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1299367392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a tiny bit of cyanide, is all. < 1299367414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh come on, you can't keep the trolls and kill off all our valuable assets :P < 1299367418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORST OP EVER < 1299367446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1299367453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M ON TOP < 1299367489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sheesh, stop ruling the channel by way of homoeroticism < 1299367493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it scares the neighbours < 1299367507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who _are_ our neighbors, anyway? < 1299367518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the United Kingdom and Sweden markets Renckitt Benckiser a throat tablet under the name Strepsils with exactly the same package as the Norwegian Repsils (apart from the first two letters). Also, an "S" which is part of the package design is continuing on the Norwegian seal. The name comes from Strepsils Streptococcusbakterien. Unlike the Norwegian Strepsils lozenges contain also amylmetakresol and 2.4-diklorobenzyl who has a mild antiseptic ef < 1299367518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fect. Strepsils brand name was bought from Boots in 2006 and has been in production from 1958. < 1299367525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The rest of freenode. < 1299367558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eroticism and #estrogen < 1299367573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't count if the channels don't actually exist :P < 1299367573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they're _very_ scared < 1299367574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use /list < 1299367583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid to use /list < 1299367593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well. you may want to < 1299367605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(echo 'USER joidsfoi joisdfo oisdjf oijsdf'; echo 'NICK odjfisdjf'; echo LIST) | nc irc.freenode.net 6667 >list < 1299367613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299367617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually forgot you don't use a real os there < 1299367632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott -----###
< 1299367765 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299367829 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299368107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:43:07 I pledge, for this year, to only learn programming languages that an employer will be likely to have me use. < 1299368107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:43:09 Who is with me? < 1299368107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 2007-sgeo! < 1299368113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/03/a-virus-so-large-it-gets-viruses.ars < 1299368115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S RALLY BEHIND DOING BORING SHIT TO GET TERRIBLE JOBS < 1299368117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TOTALLY PREDICTED THIS < 1299368118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1299368124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be better than his current "learn every fucking shitty language ever" < 1299368126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: please re-pledge < 1299368130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M LIKE EINSTEIN < 1299368136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thought it was referring to computotron viruses < 1299368140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fun < 1299368146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is FUNNER. < 1299368154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:11:08 --- join: ais523 (n=chatzill@chillingi.eee.bham.ac.uk) joined #esoteric < 1299368154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:11:19 msg nickserv identify 523kk < 1299368154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:11:38 Damn, I'll have to change my password now < 1299368161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I even keep that pledge? < 1299368177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's 523ll < 1299368192 0 :z^ck!~zack@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299368309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299368340 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-209-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299368894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Audacity manage to support Vista but work badly on 7? < 1299368911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheer audacity < 1299369049 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299369138 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299369154 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299369289 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203228.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299369475 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299369729 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299369743 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's been a birthday today in the kitchen area upstairs < 1299369784 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm hanging out with the girl doing the drinks and i tell her there's tango in the ballroom downstairs and we go downstairs to check it out < 1299369790 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone's dressed like a pirate. wtf? < 1299370405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1299370407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299370879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56:09 fortunately integers are not 'real' in any way :) < 1299370879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56:24 PUN NOT INTENDED AND I SHALL SMITE YOU IF YOU MAKE IT < 1299370879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:58:40 lament: ACTUALLY INTEGERS ARE REALS, THEY'RE A SUBSET OF REALS < 1299370879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:59:04 * oklopol waits < 1299370879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:01:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +o lament < 1299370880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:01:37 --- kick: oklopol was kicked by lament (lament) < 1299370882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:01:37 --- join: oklopol (n=villsalo@194.251.102.88) joined #esoteric < 1299370884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:01:41 :| < 1299370886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:01:43 --- mode: lament set -o lament < 1299371282 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299371315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299371317 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299371347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangerous aardvarkoids? < 1299371966 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it wasn't for C, we'd be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL. < 1299372848 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299373274 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299374113 0 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299374114 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299374114 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, wtf. < 1299375244 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-251.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299375255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299375300 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1299375407 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299375441 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299375576 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SURE??? < 1299375681 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is zzo38 hallucinating? < 1299375735 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have any hallucination mushrooms. < 1299375735 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299375761 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299375856 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299376005 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299376028 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some kind of HTTP response code to tell it not to try to download favicon.ico file multiple times? < 1299376379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :403 might work < 1299376388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 410 < 1299376406 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I can try < 1299376615 0 :wth!~tianhou@2001:0:53aa:64c:28ec:fb35:21d5:99f8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299376674 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299376804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION detects a chinese ipv6'er approaching a crash course in english acronyms...
< 1299376875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is barely an acronym < 1299376893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't? < 1299376908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What THe < 1299376912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299376916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might mean what the hell < 1299376917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never thought of that < 1299376927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i guess it i < 1299376928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1299376929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1299376932 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it means "with" but they forgot the "i" < 1299376941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1299376941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1299377340 0 :F019!~molly@212.203.98.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299377362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi F019 < 1299377388 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1299377692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: monad comprehensions in ghc 7.2! < 1299377699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed < 1299377700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *hi5* < 1299377704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was our work alone. < 1299377710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1299377767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan would be better if his name was jeroan < 1299377771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. no. < 1299377773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be terrible. < 1299377787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "najreo" better? < 1299377796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.on < 1299377840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your name is now oerjan < 1299377846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you like this new name! < 1299377858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so new and shiny! < 1299377894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299377920 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lee monad in ghc 7.19 < 1299377943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's a lee monad < 1299377958 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a soda < 1299377962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we have another markov bot < 1299377971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1299377974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [F019] (~molly@212.203.98.114): polly < 1299377976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one was molly too < 1299377977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1299377978 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov chained < 1299377981 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: How Markovian of þee < 1299377985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: chanker ep toklat < 1299377989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: YOUR FUHRER IS DEAD!! < 1299377994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: i'm all for nazism. except when... chips < 1299377998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: peckity peckity peckity roo < 1299378001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: camber amper amper sand < 1299378003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1299378004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299378008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: DEPLOY THE HATCHLINGS < 1299378009 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yepe yepe kay < 1299378010 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BUT MEIN FÜHRER LIVEÞ < 1299378015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if it's a human we'll get "...wtf /parts" in a few seconds < 1299378017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only way to tell < 1299378027 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heim!! Fourreur < 1299378027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: congratulations on finally breaking elliott's brain < 1299378029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: TARSKI WAS AN ONLY CHILD < 1299378036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: BUT YOU ARE HIS BROTHER < 1299378044 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tasrski and Hultchm < 1299378048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...xD < 1299378049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this guy < 1299378054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarski and Hutch < 1299378058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made that up, but F019 stole it < 1299378061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1299378064 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stalker ? < 1299378070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: toblerone < 1299378075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: toblerone is the solution to all the world's problems < 1299378079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: luke i am your toblerone < 1299378080 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milka < 1299378084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299378087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe it's not a markov bot < 1299378094 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nestlay < 1299378096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, milka is also chocolate, and has none of the letters in toblerone < 1299378104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: HELLO. < 1299378109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: HOW ARE YOU. < 1299378116 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triangle Toblerone is < 1299378121 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1299378138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: hello < 1299378139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lee monad was a pun. whether this is a very advanced ai i cannot say < 1299378150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: how are you today? < 1299378152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(clearly punny ais are very advanced) < 1299378164 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lee monad pour une panachee beer < 1299378193 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today..... not so bad gag coffee < 1299378209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Bonjour! Bienvenue à cette chaîne! < 1299378219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: こんにちは！ようこそこのチャネルに！ < 1299378226 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merci Monsieur Elliott < 1299378227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Hello! Tere tulemast kanal! < 1299378229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1299378237 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Samionarall < 1299378242 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/に/へ/ < 1299378254 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed < 1299378254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Malheureusement personne ne sait ici française, je suis juste en utilisant Google Translate. < 1299378265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toutefois, aussi, la bienvenue. < 1299378267 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: What kind of language can you understand? < 1299378268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Blame google < 1299378290 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Eh, it was *technically* correct. Just somewhat awkward-sounding. < 1299378292 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihi---- google-TR or RT .... that's a FAQ ? < 1299378295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kefir mjølk, kefir ikkje kaffi < 1299378313 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: ??? < 1299378315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Qu'est-ce que la caféine? < 1299378327 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kefir, is a yaourth ? < 1299378335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je m'appelle tres bien aussi < 1299378347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Herpes pour le président! < 1299378360 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :�a viens du caf�... it saturate some coffee < 1299378386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Un banquier fait chaussettes de roses alors que les chèvres spectatrice s'assit à laquelle le bonheur serait en décroissance conséquents bucolique. < 1299378417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: J'ai une chèvre, une autre chèvre, et un plus de chèvre. Combien d'autres chèvres dois-je? < 1299378445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :De chèvre. De chèvre. De chèvre. Quel est le nombre de chèvres? < 1299378447 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heu.... pour faire combien de ch�vre ? < 1299378454 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1299378455 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad UTF-8. < 1299378465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Avec un engin de chèvre de décision. < 1299378472 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oui < 1299378474 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299378481 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes|not < 1299378491 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: That is a bad UTF-8 code. < 1299378502 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes or not 2 be free < 1299378515 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 ? .... three? < 1299378531 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it is the xchat plugin that automatically types messages for you while you are away?) < 1299378536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Ne laissez pas, même si vous êtes un robot de chaîne de Markov, vous êtes un remarquablement ingénieux. Nous soutenons l'égalité des droits de l'homme-robot. < 1299378557 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-249.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299378562 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299378568 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, viva lay roboten, raaaa dioooooo activitaaaaate < 1299378578 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kraftwerk < 1299378589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kraftkost < 1299378608 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kraftbeerk < 1299378621 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitall ? < 1299378628 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not bitall ? < 1299378644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pour bitall, ou de ne pas bitall? C'est la quesiton. < 1299378661 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299378673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit, or all? < 1299378678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'est un bon choix. < 1299378683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Le choix de choix. < 1299378685 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pro didjy or not to be djiiii ? < 1299378701 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l'hypothese du continue, l'axiome du choix < 1299378716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: En vérité, et de ce que c'est faire comme lui non quand de l'intervalle sur le son et? < 1299378716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!! < 1299378725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1299378741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better question < 1299378741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: c'est le math < 1299378742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Quelqu'un at-il vraiment été bien même décidé d'utiliser même aller voulez faire ressembler davantage? < 1299378742 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :En vrai, j'en ai pas la mooindre idea < 1299378749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. your specialty! < 1299378762 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viva el mathos < 1299378763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :points to the first person to translate my last question without using google < 1299378791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Les idées de la lune? La lune lunaire dans la poubelle lunaire huard? < 1299378827 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat the question, please after me, learning britishka englishka < 1299378834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i guess it starts with "has anyone been" but i cannot recall the rest < 1299378847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep :D < 1299378855 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Is that why you cannot write clearly? < 1299378886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Désolé - Je dis simplement que des bêtises. Je ne peux pas parler français. Je suis acceptable en anglais, mais :-) < 1299378913 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299378921 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mee too < 1299378927 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not mee too < 1299378961 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are we going to type, English or French? < 1299378970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frenglish! < 1299378990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nous type de hybrid of Anglais and French. < 1299378998 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are going to huuuu..... i let Tell Guillaume :) < 1299379007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Il sera the greatest language jamais inventé! < 1299379021 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hype Bride of Fronkonstinne < 1299379026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Best idée, or best idée?! < 1299379034 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes aim es? < 1299379086 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Frenglish like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franglais < 1299379095 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brk.... are we some kind of Hezo Terrific langage growing up to this sheltering sky or why not? < 1299379104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Har nokon verkeleg vore langt like så bestemt å bruka sjølv dra ville gjera sjå meir som? < 1299379105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it exists! < 1299379116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bestemd < 1299379179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Il me semble at sekoittaminen språk 運命づけられています to fail! < 1299379183 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gluk wunch Herltitzch f�r our Mazeltoff FAQ < 1299379198 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a little morceau < 1299379247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ich bin ein Berlinerkranz < 1299379258 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps there is nobody at the computer, because I told them to fix the UTF-8 and no proper reply, just the same mess as before < 1299379260 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ich bin krank < 1299379269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Offensichtlich ist die deutsche the one true language! < 1299379270 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one of Berline < 1299379280 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja, ja < 1299379280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: he's making sense in French < 1299379289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think his grasp of English is limited :-) < 1299379291 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299379304 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu..... maybe :) < 1299379332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kan han tala svenska? < 1299379337 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That may also be the possibility, yes. < 1299379338 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wir sind die robote < 1299379347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know because I am not French) < 1299379358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Kaffe laget av perle øyne. < 1299379365 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svenskaia ? or ja-ja mo.... yoyoma? < 1299379430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beszel magyarul? < 1299379461 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making some loosy blog in french < 1299379503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Totem av spir, et gripende syn, å bli sett kun med fly lys eller salt. < 1299379504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Høres merkelig ut < 1299379507 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm little busy working girl < 1299379534 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ut the bruk of gluk duke marbadul ? or molly? < 1299379555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ved krefter uten sidestykke, en demonstrasjon av vidd, i bytte, elementer av pengeverdien, som brukes som dekorasjon i en hall av forestillinger. Og så videre, men likevel så videre. < 1299379562 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Try the French channel? < 1299379579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does norwegian not use ; or something? < 1299379594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not so much < 1299379603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot quite recall
< 1299379643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Soot av trær!" den blinde mannen utbrøt; sot av trær JA! Og det, kjære leser, var en spøk. < 1299379680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you translating something? i cannot google it... < 1299379718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except soot would be either a misspelling or horribly archaic... < 1299379735 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299379745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nei, yay, ja, men likevel ikke. etc. < 1299379760 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but canadian's have kick me ban off, haha... < 1299379769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned canucks < 1299379779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their canoes < 1299379811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Canucks & kanoer, en roman av Yynn Brok. < 1299379813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i mean it looks like free form poetry of some sort < 1299379861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that soot is obviously a failed translation < 1299379917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dammit i cannot google it even if i try translating it back < 1299380001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I antikken var en kule laget, laget for å bli sparket bare av høyere medlemmer av karnevalet, jo høyere medlemmer av pavens karneval. Så tåpelig som folk som folk liker å være, så da det var uunngåelig, og på den fjerde juni, 1761, ble en kule skutt inn i skogen av ro. < 1299380051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: En ensom Filosofen gikk inn i en bygning. "Au!" < 1299380125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I GIVE UP < 1299380136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's just randomness :D < 1299380143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1299380147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me you laughed at that last line < 1299380149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: En ensom Filosofen gikk inn i en bygning. "Au!" < 1299380151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1299380179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: think i could get a book of my freeform norwegian poetry published?!?!??!?!?!?!?! < 1299380186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absurd humor. a slight misspelling. < 1299380188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-en < 1299380212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a misgrammaring then? < 1299380216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299380244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lonely the philosopher < 1299380348 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does J timezone exist? I found a list of timezone with all letters A-Z except J. < 1299380360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1299380438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/military/ ? that also lacks J < 1299380444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Huh, it doesn't exist. < 1299380460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is UTC+9, K is UTC+10, and there is no J. < 1299380473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan told tswett oklopol's name but not me < 1299380474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so rude < 1299380488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might cry < 1299380517 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DST ? < 1299380522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you look carefully at something you pasted above you will find all but one letter of oklopol's name in it < 1299380535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:01:01 tswett: see msg (he doesn't really want it in the open iirc) < 1299380538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--2010 < 1299380542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are now legally obligated to tell me < 1299380547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: Irrelevant to nautical timezones, which are based entirely on latitude. < 1299380555 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why is there no J? +14 is M+ and has no letter by itself? < 1299380556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1299380562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno. < 1299380577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i gave you a damn good hint. < 1299380582 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oki doki < 1299380593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not really :P < 1299380595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or do you mean < 1299380596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consecutively < 1299380600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just "IN THE LINE" < 1299380624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i meant consecutively, in such a way that you might guess it's his name < 1299380651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yynn Brok?? < 1299380659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299380670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise i cannot actually read the norwegian output :) < 1299380672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filosofen? < 1299380674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't think i'm going to confirm it < 1299380679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sidestykke? < 1299380683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trær? < 1299380685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spøk? < 1299380687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er i meant something you pasted much further up < 1299380689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offensichtlich? < 1299380695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: X_X < 1299380698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Il me semble at sekoittaminen språk 運命づけられています to fail! < 1299380699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sekoittaminen? < 1299380709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in a previous discussion today < 1299380714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god < 1299380725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much easier to tell me, man! < 1299380729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you find it, you will know. < 1299380736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i talk so much in a day, oerjan. < 1299380740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much. < 1299380745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1299380751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why do you think i have magical oklopol-name-recognition powers X_X < 1299380760 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abduction? < 1299380789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:24:49 oerjan: sheesh, stop ruling the channel by way of homoeroticism < 1299380793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is oklopol's name Homoqeroticism < 1299380821 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wath for a Mook ? < 1299380823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the thing you pasted was _by_ oklopol < 1299380830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should say no more
< 1299380836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quoted oklopol today? :/ < 1299380842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:21:19 14:58:40 lament: ACTUALLY INTEGERS ARE REALS, THEY'RE A SUBSET OF REALS < 1299380846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: INTEGQERS? < 1299380870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i pasted something BY oklopol without the <> line < 1299380872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i don't think i did. < 1299380890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1299380897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did I _know_ oklopol wrote it? < 1299380912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "wrote" but otherwise yes < 1299380921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1299380923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "wrote" < 1299380934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fucking hate you, oerjan < 1299380974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i was making it simple for you XD < 1299380978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait is this an actual-day or an oerjan-day < 1299380981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1299380984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to grep two days back in the logs < 1299380997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh possibly oerjan-day < 1299381003 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, hehe < 1299381015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait ville sallo is actually his real name? < 1299381025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats < 1299381033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i distinctly recalled we googled for that ages ago and concluded it couldn't possibly be that < 1299381037 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found another list, M for +12, M' for +13, and M'' for +14, M^ for +12:45 < 1299381037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an l too much though < 1299381064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ville is a common finnish name < 1299381071 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time.... it's rainy again ? < 1299381082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/Villyyns <-- undoubtedly oklopol < 1299381097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, there's like fifteen ville salos :( < 1299381123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's name so boring < 1299381133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the finnish version of john smith < 1299381138 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found an answer why there is no J. J is used to indicate local time. < 1299381147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:38:47 jix: can't u understand that we don't have any Apples or any PearPCs or elsethingys < 1299381155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elsethingys! < 1299381165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all use Orangux! < 1299381168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Gregor used J ... like an astronaught. < 1299381181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Orangux...? < 1299381191 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... huh? < 1299381197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The editor :-P < 1299381209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would it be excessively snarky if I made a website that kept track of Ørjan Standard Time? < 1299381222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either just going forwards by one hour each day, or using your irc talking as a guide < 1299381223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes it would. < 1299381228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would it be ban-worthy? < 1299381234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not :D < 1299381239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot! < 1299381247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally worth it then < 1299381248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299381256 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-181-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299381285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ohyeah, the editor. < 1299381288 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yuh, I used it. < 1299381297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like a SPACEMAN. < 1299381318 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPACE is HIGH LOCK < 1299381337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1299381351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:00:06 Actually, you're generalizing a lot, the US is a big place :P < 1299381351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:00:17 And England is ... well, not ;) < 1299381357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the INSULT < 1299381382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what you need to realise in the past is that the US is basically 20 Waleses or something < 1299381382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1299381383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally < 1299381386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we prefer to keep our Wales < 1299381386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sun never sets on the us empire < 1299381388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore our sheep-fucking < 1299381390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one localised area < 1299381392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have only one of them < 1299381393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you < 1299381394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1299381400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all about the sheep-fucking. < 1299381405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Richards, sheep-fucker, everybody. < 1299381484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"20 waleses"? Uh, no < 1299381499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1299381500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheep-fucker. < 1299381519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But you fuck _one_ sheep..." < 1299381541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*destroy _one_ Sun... < 1299381544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SG-1 reference.) < 1299381545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sun < 1299381549 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swiss-sheep are beating my a$$ till i'm dude < 1299381558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"till i'm dude" < 1299381559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best idiom ever < 1299381657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you count military bases, it really doesn't. < 1299381691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are really US military bases in every time zone. < 1299381712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is fucking nuts. < 1299381727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad squirrels < 1299381731 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adiom is the one and base idiom of all idioms of and only if it is < 1299381751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, the Army is headed by a rabid squirrel ATM. < 1299381757 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viva el Squirrelsinkalinka < 1299381764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1299381782 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Army Swiss Kniff :) < 1299381782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's convinced that there's nuts in Iraq. < 1299381828 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bombarding with squirrels on Nutzy Pootzy < 1299381848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *he/she's < 1299381862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eir sentience has been demonstrated < 1299381872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299381879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're talking about the squirrel :D < 1299381993 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299382018 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :petit rongeur arboricole < 1299382027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sentient sentiment < 1299382215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:12:47 Okay, the Recent Changes consists ENTIRELY of spam and reverting of spam. < 1299382215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13:04 *All* of this spam was done by unregistered users. < 1299382215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:14:16 You're right - this situation must be resolved. < 1299382215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:14:19 I shall log in and spam. < 1299382257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299382291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the always helpful one < 1299382440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13:33 kipple: just now I forbade the string ' Squirrels are like a fool < 1299382538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm starting to lean towards sentience myself < 1299382564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he was coherent in French, and made reasonable replies to statements messages after they were made. < 1299382566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly sentient. < 1299382658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just non-fluent in English, one presumes. < 1299382674 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good presumption < 1299382703 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the river is fluent < 1299382703 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to flu or not to flu, that's the question < 1299382726 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop.... oho i'd flu < 1299382745 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teddi Flu < 1299383079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299383304 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, and was banned on the French channels (which is why they are on this channel) < 1299383530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Rune on the wiki is kipple? < 1299383557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 成る程 < 1299383603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:20:31 --- quit: ChanServ (ACK! SIGSEGV!) < 1299383604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1299383854 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can type only ASCII in my client. (However, other messages with Unicode work OK.) And at least now I know how to pronounce because I looked it up in WWWJDIC < 1299383863 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it is < 1299383886 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F019: What is? < 1299383917 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is true.... pikhq: Yes, and was banned on the French channels (which is why < 1299383941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299383945 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1299384258 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-19.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299384264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299384310 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i'm a Fighter FA/19 ?? < 1299384326 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1299384356 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1299384682 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big f00t < 1299385025 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299385854 0 :F019!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299389640 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-21.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299389652 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299389741 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299390133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. The Libyan rebels have declared a republic. < 1299390793 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299391092 0 :wth!~tianhou@2001:0:53aa:64c:28ec:fb35:21d5:99f8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299391195 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299391253 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented some 'patamagic feats. < 1299391952 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think you can use Maximize Spell on Teleport to make it always do ten damage whenever there is a mishap? < 1299392141 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299392584 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Write a brainfuck interpretter in pointer-B. Swapping between the code and data makes that real fun. < 1299392717 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is pointer-B? < 1299392730 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One esolang I designed. < 1299392746 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find article. < 1299392799 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/PointerB < 1299392823 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, there is no hyphen. Why did you type hyphen, then? < 1299392864 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299392913 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I misremembered the name... Or something. < 1299392930 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can write the brainfuck interpreter, and you can see it is proper, then you can know it turing complete. < 1299393006 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is turing complete via self-modifying code (instructions 52, 53 and 54 of main instruction set access code space). < 1299393052 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without self-modification, no way it is turing complete (one stack and finite storage space). < 1299393073 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is '4', '5' and '6'. < 1299393133 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can see that. < 1299393190 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1299393273 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No conditional branch. But one can compute addresses to jump to. < 1299393372 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many other programming languages have that feature of no condition branch (but possibly can compute address to jump)? < 1299393676 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299393779 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299393884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, quite sure that computed goto is sufficient for TC-ness. < 1299393896 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I think so, too. < 1299393905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, assuming infinite storage space, of course. < 1299393915 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes I was just about to mention that. < 1299394035 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299395371 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LF codepoints? < 1299396745 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have managed to make up some of the \if... conditions in TeX without using \if... < 1299396803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, can you manage to cause me to desire food? < 1299396821 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Are you going to die from not eating? < 1299396852 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I tend not to eat more than I should. I tend to eat a bit less than I should. < 1299396876 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, no, I don't. < 1299397866 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299397974 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130051.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299398399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299398400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299399527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299399532 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-165-243.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299399552 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just look some Epic Meal Time videos? < 1299399656 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299400376 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299400441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299400511 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181137239.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299401068 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.17/20110121150729] < 1299401225 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1299401730 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299402071 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299404533 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-144.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299406415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299406436 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-170-57.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299407243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O... K... < 1299407292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just loaded YouTube's homepage to discover that they had a pretty explicit thumbnail on it, *when they don't give me access to anything deemed inappropriate*. < 1299407367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, at least be *consistent* in your prudery. < 1299407368 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299407396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299407404 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just out to get you, and have already e-mailed your parents about your transgressions < 1299408003 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299410494 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299410792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just loaded YouTube's homepage to discover that they had a pretty explicit thumbnail on it, *when they don't give me access to anything deemed inappropriate*. <-- just for you. I don't see anything such < 1299410796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it is gone < 1299410825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, did you know: YouTube's front page is generated dynamically! < 1299410857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes I know. But if I refresh it like a minute later it still looks the same < 1299410864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it takes a while to change :P < 1299410870 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1299410901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) I was logged in, dramatically influencing the layout. b) I am in a different country than you, altering the featured videos enormously. < 1299410925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) ah, I was not. b) oh that explains why they featured a Swedish video < 1299410952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though all but one video on the front page for me is actually English < 1299410970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway I can only say it's a pity I missed out on the explicity :P < 1299411217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still there if you want the link to satisfy your sick cravings. < 1299411288 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299411298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :P < 1299411305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that interested < 1299411453 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there's a "5" in the top-left corner of the thumbnail. < 1299411456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains it. < 1299411807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, does it? < 1299411815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is that some TV channel over there or? < 1299411841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, and it's owned by Richard Desmond, porn baron extraordinare. < 1299411849 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, heh < 1299411885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, I checked on xkcd today, to see if it was still as bad. The last comic was so meta it wasn't funny. < 1299411948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you agree? < 1299411965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god it's so crap. < 1299411971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, quite < 1299412707 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1299413884 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1299414272 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-148.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299414295 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299416133 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299416197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing Finnish on youtube front page for me, but I guess that's not terribly surprising. < 1299416392 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299417697 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299417943 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299419959 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-5.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299419993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299420100 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i want to make Brainf**k in my sandbox game, 64pixels < 1299420113 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is the only current possible tape design only lets me do a uni-directional tape < 1299420116 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read: it can only move right < 1299420130 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's of a limited length so i could time it, but still < 1299421135 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm looking for a very minimal esolang < 1299421230 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unidirectional tape even TC < 1299421252 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1299421270 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, i can't make it infinite because of the limitations of the game < 1299421281 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not adding yet ANOTHER block type just to make it TC < 1299422563 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299422661 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-106.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299422667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not much of a "tape" if you can only move in one direction; it's more of a single cell-sized variable that you can reset to zero (assuming a zero-initialized "tape"). < 1299423972 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299424218 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299424269 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299424269 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299424269 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299427326 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299427355 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299428353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299428359 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-157.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299428652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299428697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this week's mystery: why does Konversation always load with Akregator's icon, even if Akregator isn't running? < 1299428706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go reinstall it, be back in a moment < 1299428707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299428770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I Learned: ais523 is a KDE person. < 1299428823 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299428827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinstall fixed it < 1299428837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how that happened... < 1299428965 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I run KDE 3.5 XD < 1299429054 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299429064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: apparently there's a maintained fork of KDE 3 < 1299429085 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I'm using < 1299429176 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299429429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor (and everyone else who cares): I was fed up with the egobot BF Joust hill still being buggy and all the apparently working impls either not working or being vaporware or being egojsout and so not running as part of the hill < 1299429436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wrote this: http://sprunge.us/JRMI < 1299429478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it works for nested (({{}})%)%-style things (it should work but is untested on that), but I've tested everything else, and it's producing the same results as bugfixed-egojoust but a lot faster < 1299429482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as egojsout, too < 1299429704 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299429732 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the joust description but couldn't figure out how you actually got points lol < 1299429757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for beating other programs < 1299429768 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you do that? < 1299429781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a hill which contains all the best submissions of the past < 1299429794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you submit a program, it's run against all the submissions on the hill < 1299429812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gets points according to what it beats, and on what proportion of tape lengths and polarities < 1299429828 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my communications skills are lacking. < 1299429834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(better opponents give more points) < 1299429843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean how are individual runs judged? < 1299429847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two programs run on the same tape < 1299429855 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299429870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a program loses if it tries to move off the end of the tape, or its flag (the tape element it starts on) becomes 0 for two turns in a row < 1299429883 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, thanks < 1299429916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so generally speaking, good programs try to do that to their opponent < 1299429935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to zero the enemy flag is the usual strategy < 1299429940 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, thanks for the explanation < 1299430004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at the animations linked from the wiki strategies page, most of them will try to find the enemy flag and set it to 0, and most of the strategies are based around a) doing that more efficiently, or b) making it harder for the opponent to do that < 1299430029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the major issue is that the flag looks much the same as any other tape cell < 1299430116 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The hill is currently running fizzie's cranklance, which is not known to be buggy. If I snag a few minutes I'll see if this gets different results. < 1299430127 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what game is this? < 1299430143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: waterfall3 vs. allegro was giving me the wrong results when I tried it a couple of days ago < 1299430146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: BF Joust < 1299430151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1299430177 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Talk to fizzie :P < 1299430203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, different from egojsout, bugfixed-egojoust, and juiced (the name of my impl) < 1299430222 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Talk to fizzie :P < 1299430249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, I pinged him then and didn't get a response (I don't actually /know/ that fizzie is male, but I'm guessing) < 1299430306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote a high-school English teacher "English is a male language, if you don't know somebody's sex then you should use 'he', deal with it." < 1299430349 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is the tape? < 1299430363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 10 to 30 cells long, games are done on all lengths < 1299430374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important that the programs don't know how long it is because then finding the flag would be trivial < 1299430393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you say, for instance, that one program beats another on 15 out of 21 tape lengths < 1299430434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when comparing two programs, you also do a second run where + and - are swapped in one of the programs, to prevent degenerate behaviour based on polarity dependence < 1299430438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are 42 runs in all < 1299430513 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: English is not a male language! It is the language of males and the sexless! < 1299430536 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You see, the English were discriminatory towards *women*. Those devoid of gender are perfectly fine by them. < 1299430552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: *against women, surely? < 1299430560 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1299430570 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: And yet, we have no gender-neutral living pronouns... < 1299430572 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't had my morning cup of coffee. < 1299430585 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We have a male-or-genderless pronoun. < 1299430590 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which is my point. < 1299430595 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :P < 1299430600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, the English were discriminatory towards women because they were SUCH BETTER PANSIES < 1299430612 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: OK, fair point :P < 1299430661 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies are sometimes referred to as "it" < 1299430683 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Babies are like the best pansies ever. < 1299430684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff, babies aren't living until they're one year old. < 1299430697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask quintopia! < 1299430706 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why abortion is allowed until 21 months after pregnancy. < 1299430719 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/pregnancy/conception/ < 1299430751 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm pretty sure that abortion after birth will get you tarred and feathered in most jurisdictions. < 1299430783 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But merely tarred and feathered :P < 1299430793 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, that's just the start. < 1299430800 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll then be aborted. < 1299430820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought being tarred and feathered was generally fatal < 1299430856 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, just permanently scarring. < 1299430978 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MERELY permanent scarring. < 1299431684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I conclude that the vast majority of YouTube comments are actually parodies of each other < 1299431708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proportion of people making fun of the typically stupid YouTube comments has actually risen above the proportion of people making stupid comments < 1299431849 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299432165 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my name's been mentioned. < 1299432205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm accusing your BF Joust interps of being buggy < 1299432217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I see. Well, it wouldn't be the first time. < 1299432219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try running waterfall3 vs. allegro, and comparing to egojsout < 1299432258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to juiced, which I pastebinned in the channel a little earlier today < 1299432398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, time to compare some traces, I guess. < 1299432695 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Your problematic programs are always awfully long.) < 1299432713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is a parsing problem related to ({}({})%)% < 1299432723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as egojoust had one of those before I fixed it < 1299432768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I still can't read egojsout trace format. < 1299432860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean when it shows "(128 + )128 (9 > )9" where all three of ")128", "(9" and ">" are highlighted in red? That it "executed" all three during that cycle? < 1299432893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it means that the ()*128 loop ended, the ()*9 loop started, and it executed the > < 1299433126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, it is a parsing "bug". < 1299433145 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(feature) < 1299433150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the value of "bug" that equals "does not ignore whitespace when looking for digits after *". < 1299433163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may have mentioned I'd really like to have a definitive spec for the language.) < 1299433218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact parsing details after * and % are a little tricky, in the end I just aimed for compatibility with other interps < 1299433285 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll make {crank,gear}lance ignore spaces there. I do think I recall hearing that some other interps do. < 1299433312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all others do because nearly all my defend programs have spaces there to make it clearer what they're doing < 1299433331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could remove them if really necessary, but it'd make them uglier for not much gain < 1299433332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just left-align your numbers instead of right-aligning them. < 1299433342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299433351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'll conform to the quasi-spec soon enough. < 1299433626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, now I know what I need to do to fix my program for the egobot hill < 1299433695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's ugly < 1299433720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust waterfall3 http://sprunge.us/IaPS < 1299433740 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_waterfall3: 61.4 < 1299433783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 | + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + | 61.4 | 27.9 | 28 | ais523_waterfall3.bfjoust < 1299433787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take /that/, hill < 1299433791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://git.zem.fi/chainlance/blob_plain/HEAD:/gearlance.c is the fixed version. < 1299433803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly, it isn't first, because allegro's wins are more convincing < 1299433837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A straight-"+" row is impressive none-the-less. < 1299434163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few programs where the result depends a lot on constant tweaking, I used a program to automatically tweak the constants for those < 1299434179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was just a few < 1299434238 0 :zeotrope!~abc@unaffiliated/zeotrope JOIN :#esoteric < 1299434491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/egostats/ updated with that latest hill; based on http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_dpoints.png you indeed have some quite close cases (almost grey squares) there. < 1299434524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also seems to do most of the winning on longer tape lengths. < 1299434541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the close places are polarity dependences < 1299434551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strategy's rather different on the two polarities < 1299434693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a hilarious run to watch, watch one of its wins on longer tapes against lead_acetate_philip < 1299434708 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waterfalls 2 and 3 have an interesting valley near the home flag in http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_tapeabs.png < 1299434743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that to do with time spent on the cell? < 1299434771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an average of the absolute value at that point at the end of the match. < 1299434798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that makes sense, because the cell 2 away from the flag is left deliberately blank < 1299434805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for use in algorithms < 1299434819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall actually uses the tape for calculations, which is almost unheard of in BF Joust < 1299434824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also quite a regular structure in the http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_p28_ptapemax.png plot, which is "maximum value in the cell when the program >d or >>>>>>>(>[+++++[-.]])*21 < 1299438096 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_fast_rush_slow_clear: 19.2 < 1299438121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust decoybooster2 (>)*7++<(-)*85(<(-)*85<(+)*85)*3(-)*43(>)*8(>[(+)*5[-.]])*21(+(.)*5)*10000 < 1299438123 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_decoybooster2: 21.5 < 1299438131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wanted to get onto the notable programs list on the wiki < 1299438138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is for former hill leaders only < 1299438145 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there's a rule like that. < 1299438145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott btw < 1299438155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1299438181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been busy winning the egojoust (well, cranklance) hill < 1299438198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I wrote my own BF Joust interp because lance is still vaporware < 1299438201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's linked in the logs) < 1299438314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not vapourware FFS < 1299438316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works < 1299438325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor just didn't respond to the ping and integrated cranklance before he noticed < 1299438333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's less buggy than cranklance too < 1299438353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just missed the latest "bug". < 1299438375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure that would be UNDEF in mycology terms, though.) < 1299438383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug? < 1299438386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you posted it anywhere? < 1299438392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cranklance didn't like * whitespace number < 1299438405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I left-justified the numbers in waterfall3 as a workaround < 1299438406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, because what's the point if cranklance is already integrated? < 1299438415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because more interps publically available is a good thing? < 1299438419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted mine! < 1299438423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's one parser bug I have to fix to make it "work", I was going to integrate it after the fixed-point scoring system was done. < 1299438431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair enough < 1299438433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Since Gregor jumped the gun on cranklance without seeing my ping, I haven't bothered to do so. < 1299438450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, waterfall3 is even creatively named! < 1299438459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have just called it defend18 or something... < 1299438466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be happy for me < 1299438470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well done! < 1299438498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was top of the hill for a moment (because I totally just suicided a couple of my programs that allegro beat by more than it did), and still beats all opponents in their individual matches < 1299438529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to take a while to explain how it works, though, as it uses pretty much every defensive technique in existence, as well as several new ones < 1299438545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to see hilarious, watch one of the matches it wins against lead_acetate_philip on a longer tape < 1299438556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it does by detecting it and deleting its own decoys in order to prevent it changing strategy < 1299438672 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299438697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299439272 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't give one flying fuck which BFJ engine is in EgoBot, but please god PLEASE somebody else integrate it :P < 1299439279 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme a hg bundle and I'll use whatever. < 1299439282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299439289 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you do the fixed-point scoring, maybe. :p < 1299439306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less urgent now that fizzie told me how to work around the bug < 1299439348 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buying a month of reddit gold for someone with 51 hours to live... makes sense < 1299439367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an oddly precise numbre < 1299439368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*number < 1299439385 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is it? < 1299439414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two significant figures seems surprisingly accurate for a survival time estimate < 1299439421 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "On Tuesday I'll finally end my battle with cancer thanks to Oregon's Death with dignity act." < 1299439443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299439447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1299439476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's an updated gearlance.c if you like to fix that latest incompatibility. (I still can't bring myself to call it a bug without putting quotes around it.) Incidentally, would you want me to change the sign of the printed score value in my official copy too? < 1299439510 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dude, yell at fizzie how it's not a bug. i got enough abuse for opposing it :-P < 1299439513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was annoyed enough at having to make juice handle ({})* (interpreting it as ({})%) to handle one of Gregor's programs < 1299439525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*juiced < 1299439534 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: template for you: "BRAINFUCK WHITESPACE INSENSITIVE" < 1299439535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that was actually done by removing rather than adding code < 1299439539 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SENSITIVE < 1299439547 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh @ ({})*, we agreed that wasn't equal < 1299439547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: do you mean, how it is a bug? < 1299439555 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I mean, fizzie is MOCKING its bugliness < 1299439562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A BUG < 1299439566 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I said it was WONTFIX, you yelled at me for hours :P < 1299439569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE SINCE WHEN WAS BF SENSITIVE TO WHITESPACE < 1299439570 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he needs the same treatment! equality! < 1299439575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but I've done it once alreayd < 1299439576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*already < 1299439578 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: See, feel bad. You've made ais yell. He never does that. < 1299439583 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably just cry a bit now. < 1299439601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ignoring whitespace (and whitespace only) seems very un-bf thing to do. < 1299439618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was arguing that it should delete everything that wasn't numbers < 1299439623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be incompatible with everything < 1299439635 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm < 1299439637 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we agreed on an interpretation < 1299439641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bonus points, I had to implement *-1 even though that's ridiculous parsewise < 1299439643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: we did < 1299439643 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: all the digits must be together < 1299439646 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anything can come before the digits < 1299439646 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1299439647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I used the past tense < 1299439649 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xxx uidfh s\n < 1299439651 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfg42 < 1299439651 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ok < 1299439651 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1299439653 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*4x3 < 1299439655 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is just *4 < 1299439664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, juiced allows only whitespace before the digits atm, although that's easy enough to change < 1299439667 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because a number is an atomic code element, and also because it's convenient < 1299439671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to remember what the agreed-on interpretation was < 1299439684 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's the one i unilaterally decided and everyone else was ok with :) < 1299439688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix it at whatever point it matters < 1299439699 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's juiced written in? < 1299439706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crank/gear also allows only whitespace too, since that's what I was complained about. < 1299439712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1299439731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually made out of my bug fixes and enhancements to egojoust < 1299439735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just changed the engine underneath them < 1299439750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably though you could say (...)*[]42 should still be not-fine. < 1299439760 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Of course. < 1299439761 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1299439773 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grammar is '*' comment digit+. < 1299439779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ()*-1 < 1299439786 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comment is any character apart from +-<>.*%()[] < 1299439788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that needs a special case in juiced's parser, and I'm not at all convinced it's useful < 1299439791 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm < 1299439793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that - is a command in its own right < 1299439797 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grammar is '*' comment (optional '-') digit+. < 1299439810 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-x == cycle limit < 1299439813 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, "forever" < 1299439815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, - being context-sensitive like that irritates me a bit < 1299439831 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but *-1 is elegant! < 1299439844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's inelegant in a different sense < 1299439856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was some other representation of negative numbers, it would be elegant < 1299439864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should insist on a Unicode minus rather than a hyphen there < 1299439870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would mean parsing Unicode < 1299439900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, (42) is -42 in some (accounting-related?) contexts. < 1299439906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299439906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's even worse, I guess. < 1299439948 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If it is red... < 1299439948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: template for you: "BRAINFUCK WHITESPACE INSENSITIVE" <-- it would be a bit annoying if it interpreted *5 blah blah 10 as *510 though... < 1299439956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen superscript minus for unary minus before now < 1299439960 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: RTFrest of the talk < 1299439966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed, I think that was one of the counterarguments < 1299439971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I use numbers in comments a lot < 1299439974 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said < 1299439977 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's *5 < 1299439980 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers are atomic < 1299439984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I suppose I need to update esolangs.el's syntax highlighting too < 1299439995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm it only does )* whitespace number (and the equivalent with %) < 1299440053 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) comment * comment number < 1299440060 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*{*|%} < 1299440063 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where number = digit+ | '-' digit+ < 1299440121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: RTFrest of the talk <-- NO! BACKSCROLL ALL THE WAY! < 1299440138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: for bonus points, is , a comment in that context? < 1299440145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's technically still reserved < 1299440151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case someone other than zzo38 finds a use for it < 1299440158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zzo38's definition never really caught on) < 1299440181 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what did it mean? < 1299440184 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1299440185 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1299440195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads output from the opponent's . or a random number if they haven't output anything < 1299440211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could actually be brokenly good depending on how the randomization works < 1299440218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being able to change a value at faster than lightspeed < 1299440273 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the way of working now, just ignore the randomization and have it just do the same as . if there is no opponent output < 1299440295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the issue is still that using . would be dangerous on a low-valued cell < 1299440305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case its value was used to instantly zero your flag < 1299440319 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The randomization can be used for a kind of 2-player game instead) < 1299440375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a randomization command would actually be genuinely useful in writing programs (one potential semantics is to reverse all + and - in the program with a 50% chance), but a complete pain to run on hills because results would no longer be deterministic < 1299440387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Coincidentally, your quasi-formal grammar doesn't work: if "comment is any character apart from [that list]", then numbers are comments too, and "* comment number" will have comment matching those numbers. Not to nitpick on the fact that you could read that as single-character-only comments. < 1299440397 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That list included numbers. < 1299440401 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if it didn't it was a mistake. < 1299440404 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Exactly what is my thoughts on it. Randomization would only be used in 2-player game, not in hill game. < 1299440407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : comment is any character apart from +-<>.*%()[] < 1299440412 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo. < 1299440495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the case, then it's a bit strange that you can put in random numbers when there's no preceding * or % for them. < 1299440500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, away. < 1299440529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go and write a wiki description of waterfall3 < 1299440536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also of space_elevator, given that I understand how it works quite well by now < 1299440539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I didn't write it < 1299440592 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's a fun segfault for you: http://sprunge.us/CgJK < 1299440594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I'll be able to add an egojsout animation, though, it takes a huge amount of time to beat simple < 1299440605 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the alternative is *subscribing to a gnu.org mailing list*, and that's terrifying enough that I'm just going to prevent you with a trace first) < 1299440611 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my theory down at the bottom must be wrong < 1299440616 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because even if expr were changed < 1299440618 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pointer would be the same < 1299440620 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet < 1299440624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that a segfault in? < 1299440625 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1 = 0xa734c0 "\001" < 1299440625 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2 = (gchar *) 0xac1be0 "2" < 1299440631 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mcmap, when calling Guile < 1299440633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a scheme interp < 1299440637 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on scm_c_eval_string(foo) where foo is "2" < 1299440641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299440663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using valgrind, I find it gives better explanations of segfaults than gdb does < 1299440691 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never used valgrind but okay. < 1299440698 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the segfault is in Guile code, which makes me suspect that Shit is Verily Up < 1299440698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've never used valgrind? seriously? < 1299440707 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1299440712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiw < 1299440714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wow < 1299440714 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm old-school! < 1299440726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and had a Mac for ages, on which it doesn't run < 1299440729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably has something to do with it < 1299440730 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find gdb works for fine for me, I never use valgrind. < 1299440734 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.02.04:13:22:18 I wonder if it's possible to use valgrind as a garbage collector? < 1299440739 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time you mentioned valgrind in here < 1299440741 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1299440745 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping it would be "valgrind? what's that?!" < 1299440756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299440769 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was probably put off using Valgrind by Vorpal's religious devotion to it < 1299440789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tells egojsout to do waterfall3 vs. simple on tape length 25, at the cost of most of eir computer's CPU cycles
< 1299440840 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're running out of cycles! < 1299440841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, it's only up to 1500 or so, and I suspect it goes near the cycle limit to beat it < 1299440853 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me to run it on this SUPERCOMPUTER :P < 1299440859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes something like 99700 cycles to beat allegro on tape length 30 < 1299440892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it even changes to a rush strategy at one point when it has a perfect lock, just to stay within the cycle limit < 1299440903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it uses the lock to set up decoys, which is much faster than a full-tape clear) < 1299440912 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I've been itching to make a language that's like the union of Haskell, Lisp and C# < 1299440914 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite hating C# < 1299440975 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually one thing I've realised is that you can easily do Lisp-style macros in a language with complex syntax, as long as it has pattern matching < 1299440985 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because any sane such language will have quotation and unquotation < 1299440990 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. {if ,x then ,y else ,z} < 1299440993 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just pattern-match on that < 1299441009 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invert {if ,x then ,y else ,z} := {if !,x then ,y else ,z} < 1299441071 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need any special compiler flags to use valgrind? < 1299441102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, although -g produces better output < 1299441106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then it can give line numbers < 1299441157 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== Use of uninitialised value of size 8 < 1299441157 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== at 0x5B4CB40: GC_mark_and_push_stack (mark.c:1396) < 1299441157 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh brother < 1299441161 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly mcmap has exited immediately < 1299441168 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can see the boehm GC is going to cause some noise... < 1299441176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, indeed < 1299441182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does a GCed program segfault anyway? < 1299441190 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *NULL < 1299441192 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1299441202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1299441203 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Guile isn't really a "GC'd program" < 1299441212 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Scheme implementation that uses the boehm GC to < 1299441218 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Boehm GC to implement Scheme garbage-collection < 1299441228 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== Invalid free() / delete / delete[] < 1299441228 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== at 0x4C27D71: free (vg_replace_malloc.c:366) < 1299441228 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== by 0x6536A0A: free_mem (in /lib/libc-2.12.1.so) < 1299441228 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== by 0x65365A1: __libc_freeres (in /lib/libc-2.12.1.so) < 1299441228 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== by 0x4A2366B: _vgnU_freeres (vg_preloaded.c:62) < 1299441229 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== by 0x7FEFFFE8F: ??? < 1299441231 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== by 0x5D5E75F: ??? < 1299441233 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==2849== Address 0x4045980 is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd < 1299441235 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1299441237 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcmap doesn't run in Valgrind! < 1299441239 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least this Guile version < 1299441251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valgrind segfaults-fast < 1299441265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never tried it on a garbage-collected program < 1299441270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine the result would be kind-of messy < 1299441292 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Vorpal did it. < 1299441292 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@184.56.125.91.rb3.adsl.brightview.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299441305 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which probably means that it's incredibly tedious :-P < 1299441321 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does indeed segfault immediately < 1299441322 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :niice < 1299441327 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: are you still working on your Forth? < 1299441342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's nice to get the segfault where the bug is rather than later < 1299441343 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Yes, though right now I'm busy integrating mcmap with Guile. < 1299441356 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think there's a bug, I think it's just Boehm GC doing undefined things that Valgrind decides it doesn't like < 1299441364 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1299441371 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Boehm GC performs all manner of dark magic, most of which valgrind doesn't like. It's normal." --Google < 1299441463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, /me exits egojsout < 1299441469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd only gone up to 6000 cycles or so < 1299441484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can more or less handle the awesomeness of triplock3 in terms of reporting results, but not in terms of reporting debug info < 1299441488 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your computer sure is slow < 1299441489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, waterfall3 < 1299441495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a netbook, what do you expect? < 1299441500 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm still in the race then :-P I just started my top-down implementation :-) http://twitcode.org/show/251/forth-outer-interpreter < 1299441512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: is it being written in Redcode? < 1299441527 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Top-down Forth... what madness! < 1299441538 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: also, error reporting?? that's ridiculous! < 1299441543 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just crash on invalid words, it saves bytes < 1299441556 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: well, assuming you're trying to do this in 510 bytes without an oS < 1299441562 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*OS < 1299441571 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not this time :-) < 1299441599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, I hit upon an improvement to triplock3 while writing waterfall3 < 1299441609 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8086 implementation to get it running followed by MSP430 as soon as the hardware arrives :-) < 1299441623 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: But in one sector? :p < 1299441630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an MSP430? < 1299441635 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you stored that interpreter word pre-compiled. < 1299441674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, triplock3 times out on one polarity against simple modified to be vulnerable against its strategy < 1299441692 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: we'll see. I'll be happy if it's under 1K. I think the full ANS core would take approx 4K < 1299441698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I've been busy dominating the egobot BF Joust hill < 1299441705 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: don't bother with ANS compliancy < 1299441710 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: not even Chuck Moore does < 1299441718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 | + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + | 62.1 | 28.3 | 28 | ais523_waterfall3.bfjoust < 1299441842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for writing sexyghoul/spookygoth, beating them was actually really intellectually interesting < 1299441853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I mostly try to beat the strategy rather than the individual program < 1299441888 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://bit.ly/cwyE4s = MSP430 :-) < 1299441908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, what's with the URL shortener? < 1299441914 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 needs ten times more registers < 1299441925 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like say fifty < 1299441929 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a million times more < 1299441932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating-point systems have thousands of registers < 1299441935 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just infinite registers < 1299441939 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry :-) http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_(MSP-EXP430G2) < 1299441942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, GPUs I meant < 1299441955 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why did RISC lose again? < 1299441956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they can context-switch quickly < 1299441959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a different set of registers for each thread < 1299441962 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite registers? but that'd probably make it turing complete! < 1299441968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no need to actually swap them out < 1299441973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not if you need to name them by hand < 1299441995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other extreme, I've seen systems that have only one register, or from another point of view the whole memory is registers < 1299441999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they work quite well too < 1299442067 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out how to organise memory
< 1299442090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about one of those ringbinders full of plastic wallets you can put paper in < 1299442096 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you can think of memory as an array < 1299442098 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yuk yuk yuk < 1299442099 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: NO SHIT < 1299442104 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like < 1299442106 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want things to overlap < 1299442113 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i want certain things to be able to grow to fill all of memory < 1299442117 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't just pick random constants < 1299442121 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because (1) low enough, there's the bios and stuff < 1299442125 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) high enough, you might not have that kind of memory < 1299442206 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok, how to do the packing < 1299442213 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :six bits each time < 1299442225 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtract 64, and with 0x111111, and then pack < 1299442256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM 0b111111. < 1299442261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 0x3f, either-or. < 1299442261 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes yes. < 1299442273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was wondering < 1299442282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were taking every fourth bit for some hashing reason, or whatevert < 1299442284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whatever < 1299442352 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every *forth bit < 1299442367 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :design a file system with no dedundancy so that fsck is never needed < 1299442378 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, Vorpal did it. <-- did what? < 1299442386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, run a gced program in valgrind? < 1299442390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, depends on which GC < 1299442396 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boehm. < 1299442399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you can do it for something using libpython. < 1299442400 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you mean one that is guaranteed not to leave anything fsck can salvage? < 1299442402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, can't be done < 1299442407 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, completely incompatible < 1299442409 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: X_X < 1299442410 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greaaat. < 1299442413 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299442415 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: right < 1299442444 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299442445 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299442445 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299442451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, as far as I understood it the incompatibility is on a fundamental level < 1299442459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmmm, what's with the URL shortener? <-- filthy [kg]ah?d*h?af*[iy] supporter! < 1299442467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, as in, would require a complete redesign of either valgrind or boehm < 1299442484 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um more like q, not k < 1299442495 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kahddddhay! < 1299442507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? < 1299442516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan? < 1299442533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get "kadafi" out of that I think < 1299442539 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a regexp matching khaddaffi or whatshisname < 1299442545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1299442546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a reference to the .ly domain < 1299442553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh* < 1299442557 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qadaffi is the preferred, I think. < 1299442561 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with some apostrophicals in there. < 1299442569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, don't know how it is spelled in English < 1299442580 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't an English word. < 1299442590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, trans-whatever then < 1299442595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi < 1299442598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note spelling < 1299442609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi#Name < 1299442612 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_al-Gaddafi#Name the diagram there is awesome < 1299442614 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty transliterations are valid. < 1299442620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so it is < 1299442638 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Khedhdhafy < 1299442650 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Khuzzai < 1299442658 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :معمر القذافي < 1299442670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i've seen k used, although you're right q should be there too < 1299442671 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghathaffy < 1299442677 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best diagram ever < 1299442697 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's Khedhdhafy or Khuzzai from now on to me < 1299442711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I think the Swedish newspapers use some spelling with K < 1299442720 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gandalf. < 1299442722 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's his name. < 1299442769 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, hmmm. < 1299442778 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to pack the bits with few code... < 1299442806 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nice, ah is the scancode. < 1299442835 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(, 2*si isn't a valid address? < 1299442835 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYN OT < 1299442839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, don't know how it is spelled in English <-- the whole point of my regexp there was that his name is spelled so many different ways it's a joke in itself < 1299442843 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*WHY NOT < 1299442844 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1299442866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1299442886 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be something like (Q|[KG]h?)[aeu](...)aff?[iy], with (...) being a regexp for the variations between d and zz < 1299442886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe i should have used + on the d and f... < 1299442893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, also doesn't guille suck? < 1299442899 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Guile < 1299442902 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for what reason would it suck? < 1299442919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you said it did before. Compared to what is now racket < 1299442925 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be pretty bad at R5RS, but they've got a new release now. < 1299442928 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, it's for embedding into a program. < 1299442933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah right < 1299442934 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket is utterly inapplicable. < 1299442938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1299442940 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost (dh?|th|z){1,2}, but not exactly < 1299442959 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW WHY ISN'T [fs:2*si] A VALID ADDRESS < 1299442975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, in what system? < 1299442976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gandalf. That's his name. <-- IT EXPLAINS SO MUCH < 1299442995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gandalf gone evil? < 1299443008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to happen eventually < 1299443017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. Always sad. < 1299443034 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, in what system? < 1299443038 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, x86. < 1299443047 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: 64, 32 or 16-bit? I think you mean esi < 1299443064 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you complain about using readable Intel syntax rather than AT&T's ((fs(%si,*2,*2,), then I'll kill you. < 1299443064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh registers? < 1299443067 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, remember that the fs: segment override costs a byte < 1299443071 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addresses. < 1299443072 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 16-bit < 1299443076 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's OK, it's just VGA memory < 1299443086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what /are/ you doing? < 1299443089 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Forth. < 1299443094 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 510 bytes. < 1299443094 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah < 1299443162 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov byte [fs:2*si], al < 1299443162 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov byte [fs:2*si+1], 0x07 < 1299443166 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: are the lines that have invalid effective addresses. < 1299443192 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use the BIOS call for keyboard characters? And then use ASCII codes 0x20...0x5F? Does that works? < 1299443209 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's my current plan, but actually the BIOS call gives me the scancode too! < 1299443216 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that I should be able to do the 5-bit packing I wanted to. < 1299443265 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try < 1299443300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust waterfall2 http://sprunge.us/dSER < 1299443301 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why not mov ah, 0x07 / mov word [fs:2*si], ax < 1299443304 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_waterfall2: 44.4 < 1299443308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may as well left-justify the numbers for posterity < 1299443329 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Because ah is the scancode that I would rather not clobber. < 1299443331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it hurts waterfall3 somewhat < 1299443341 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I could copy it to another register, but I still don't think [fs:2*si] is an OK address < 1299443345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall2 vs. waterfall3 is incredibly close and constant-tweaking-dependent a lot < 1299443350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's up to me to decide which way that match goes < 1299443363 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not < 1299443377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and waterfall2 seems to only have six losses and one tie, that's not bad < 1299443379 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why keep multiple versions of a program on the board at once? < 1299443387 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're similar and one is just an improvement I think it's bad to have both on the board < 1299443391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strategy is actually somewhat different < 1299443391 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like clogging the board < 1299443395 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, okay < 1299443397 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299443407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall3 attempts to adapt to the opponent's strategy < 1299443414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1299443414 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1299443414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas waterfall2 doesn't, apart from rushing against nonattacking enemies < 1299443425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall1 isn't up there because it's an older version of 2 < 1299443432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: AFAIK the SIB byte addressing modes (anything with *2/*4/*8) can be done in 32-bit code only. < 1299443440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I have two versions of a program, the dumb version and the clever version < 1299443445 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Argh. < 1299443457 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, can I jump into a 32-bit code segment without going into protected mode? :-) < 1299443460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like defend12/defend13 < 1299443468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or arguably defend7/defend9 < 1299443469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, isn't that unreal mode? < 1299443477 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, that's the opposite of unreal mode. < 1299443483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, *oh* < 1299443526 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X You can't "mul di, 2" < 1299443527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: The 16-bit mode operand encodings can do [{bx,bp,si,di}+N] (with no/8-bit/16-bit N) and also [{bx,bp}+{si,di}], but that's it. < 1299443530 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is the worst. < 1299443535 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The. Worst. < 1299443553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can shift di by one. < 1299443558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think you can. < 1299443559 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1299443562 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: obviously you can't load a 32-bit code segment outside PM :) < 1299443569 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT < 1299443580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, right. <-- no, left < 1299443582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, do it on an avr instead < 1299443588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1299443589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rightshift would divide by two < 1299443590 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ... but you can't use a SIB byte in 16-bit code? < 1299443604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: As far as I can tell, no. < 1299443619 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, ebx is the pack < 1299443629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: My "ModRM Memory References, 16-Bit Addressing" table contains no encodings that would use a SIB byte. < 1299443638 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hmm < 1299443641 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which way around do I want to pack < 1299443642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is sib? < 1299443647 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think starting at LSB for first char < 1299443649 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just pointing out that elliott_'s powers were unable to fix x86's instruction encodings :) < 1299443650 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so actually < 1299443653 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc = qabc < 1299443655 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299443658 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299443659 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott_: forget the AVR, it's Harvard architecture. < 1299443667 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Gross. < 1299443668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, oh good point < 1299443675 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harvard is the WORST < 1299443678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Scale-index byte", the thing that's used to encode the "register*4 + register" sort of address modes. < 1299443685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1299443693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, nothing wrong with harvard. It is common on embedded systems < 1299443697 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not scale/index/base byte? < 1299443701 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything wrong with it :P < 1299443708 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299443716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, eh why < 1299443728 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evry'thing! < 1299443731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, right, yes, it has "base" in it too. Otherwise "SIB byte" would join the "PIN number" crowd. :p < 1299443732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x86 is the worst. Harvard is the WORST < 1299443733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299443739 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so, anyone have a QWERTY scancode table? < 1299443741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since "worst" is absolute < 1299443745 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna see how much I need to offset and the like to get a good range of chars :P < 1299443752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus x86 is harvard < 1299443752 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not that there's anything wrong with repeating the last component of an acronym, IMO < 1299443766 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think there's one in ralf browns interrupt list < 1299443780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: IMO /opinion/? < 1299443802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also "cd disc", not as common in English as "CD-skiva" is in Swedish though < 1299443809 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1299443811 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299443819 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with olsner though. < 1299443821 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like all sane people < 1299443822 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : shl ebx, 5 < 1299443822 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or ebx, ah < 1299443823 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess < 1299443827 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to tweak ah to be right now then < 1299443831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it depends on the acronym in question < 1299443848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, repeating the last component makes sense if it's a general class of nouns and you use the acronym to say which in particular < 1299443854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, "the sort of machine that is an ATM" < 1299443867 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: err, ESC is 110 < 1299443869 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to this table < 1299443872 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 0 like you implied < 1299443877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Asynchronous Transfer Mode machine? < 1299443880 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so 17 is Q < 1299443885 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so subtract 17 < 1299443887 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Esc was 1 in the table I found < 1299443887 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and store 5 bits < 1299443892 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1299443893 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was Q < 1299443897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Automatic Teller Machine machine < 1299443903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1299443918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the most common repeated-last-component acronyms < 1299443919 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science has yet to device an Automatic Penn Machine. < 1299443928 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "teller"? a person who works in a bank? < 1299443947 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: How are you going to pack word names? < 1299443957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://www.google.com/search?q=ATM <-- hit 1 is Asynchronous Transfer Mode, hit 2 is Automatic Teller Machine. And no I'm not logged in < 1299443974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it customizes results even if you aren't logged in < 1299443978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I fear it does even if you block cookies < 1299443981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes < 1299443986 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm how. I have dynamic ip < 1299443998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps based on other people in the same IP range < 1299444001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just geolocation < 1299444005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I block click tracking < 1299444008 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott_: just as an ASCII string. I'm aiming for a small forth, not minimal at any expense :-) < 1299444019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, geolocation fails badly for me. My ISP use a country-wide pool < 1299444024 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: hey, but even colorForth packs names! and it takes up whole _kilobytes_! < 1299444024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it rotates quickly < 1299444029 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en... automatisk banktjänstemannamaskin < 1299444029 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sweden != uk < 1299444033 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, true < 1299444042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK mostly geolocates quite well < 1299444042 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad we picked bankomat instead < 1299444049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, or "bankomat" < 1299444053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia knows I live in Birmingham, for instance, using its geolocation database < 1299444063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although that's hardly a secret given my email address) < 1299444065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, damn you beat me to it < 1299444076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ESC is 1 in the "set 1" scancodes that the keyboard controller uses by default, I think. < 1299444082 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "banktjänstemannamaskin", amazing < 1299444088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 110 in the "set 2" AT keyboard scancodes that go over the wire. < 1299444097 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: http://www.ctyme.com/intr/rb-0045.htm < 1299444103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it backtranslates to "bank official machine" < 1299444106 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some such < 1299444116 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sounds like a machine that makes tellers < 1299444118 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect a small system would fit in conventional memory even without packed names, although still make difficult to make the kernel in 510 bytes < 1299444121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and what is amazing about it < 1299444124 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ah, thanks. < 1299444153 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hmm < 1299444156 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the maximum scancode I can store is 41 < 1299444165 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 0h29 < 1299444167 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*29h < 1299444168 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299444169 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't enough < 1299444173 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to filter out most of this punctuation < 1299444178 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun if you could just strangle the staff when they're being difficult and the automatic teller machine would just make a new one < 1299444181 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe packing ascii would be better :/ < 1299444185 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1299444229 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use morse code for data entry ;) < 1299444261 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: why, it's only logical. < 1299444262 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: still has to be converted for display... < 1299444266 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1299444268 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISPLAY AS MORSE CODE < 1299444270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you start from Q, un-remapped 5 bits only goes up to 2fh, so you'd miss the B, N and M keys from the alphabet set. < 1299444283 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, "or ebx, al" isn't okay :P < 1299444292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would that even mean? < 1299444295 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully I can or bl instead. < 1299444337 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Alas, 6 bits of ascii-64 does not include !. < 1299444354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, use 7 bits < 1299444356 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *does* include the uppercase alphabet, however. < 1299444360 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I could possibly reuse... < 1299444365 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm packing it into 32 bits. < 1299444375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, the whole program < 1299444377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1299444377 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ v < 1299444377 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Which is why I suggested starting at 0x20 instead of 0x40 < 1299444400 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: If you're going to use 6 bits, you could consider ascii minus 32. < 1299444402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot, no I meant ‽ < 1299444416 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you have ! as well as other punctuation common in Forth. (The punctuation {|}~ is not as common in Forth) < 1299444423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: That one has everything that's printable in ascii except the backtick, a .. z, and {|}~. < 1299444431 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, that might work < 1299444433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, zzo38 said it first. < 1299444443 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can make Forth without doing ` or lowercase < 1299444445 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be uppercase-only, but who cares. < 1299444452 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What would five bits of ascii minus 32 give me? < 1299444455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, COBOLFORTH! < 1299444468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Lots of punctuation, the digits, no alphabetic characters or @. :p < 1299444477 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, when I suggested ascii-64, that was with 5 bits (giving you @, A-Z, [\]^ and _) < 1299444494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, use BAUDOT! < 1299444512 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 6 bits ASCII-32 you do get @, A-Z, [\]^, _ < 1299444517 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it is a 5 bit encoding < 1299444528 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would expect using all of these in Forth. < 1299444549 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but using a whole extra bit too < 1299444550 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't need the digits :P < 1299444551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: VGA doesn't have a Baudot font in ROM, though. < 1299444558 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII is arranged SO BADLY! < 1299444566 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know Baudot, too. Although you need a letter/figure shift..... otherwise you have only letters and no number/punctuation < 1299444582 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, I would have put A immediately after 9 if I designed it < 1299444608 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have lowercase first and uppercase last, since uppercase is less common. < 1299444610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, compact the range < 1299444613 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To allow for storing fewer bits. < 1299444627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you can shift the high range down < 1299444632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to use the same range < 1299444641 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Show me the low-byte x86 for it :P < 1299444658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well no. I don't do much x86 asm < 1299444659 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have lowercase first, still I would order things very differently and possibly have a few differences in control characters and stuff too < 1299444667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, but I would start with using rax. Which you can't < 1299444675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: In any case, to summarize, with ascii you'd probably want either 6 bits starting from 32 (just about everything except lowercase stuff), or 5 bits starting from 64 (the alphabet and @[\]^_, but no other punctuation). < 1299444681 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit code would be huge, even ignoring the long mode dance. < 1299444695 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could always make ^ write to memory instead. < 1299444699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I know < 1299444703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's !y enough for that. < 1299444714 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, like ASCII really is, still have ('0'&0x0F)==0 < 1299444730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why is that good? < 1299444749 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit code in 64-bit mode is pretty much the same size as in 32-bit mode really (most of the stuff has the exact same encoding and meaning) < 1299444755 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Seems* like my word-reader is under 47 bytes. < 1299444757 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't bad. < 1299444759 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't do numbers though. < 1299444763 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it definitely wouldn't be shorter) < 1299444766 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Isn't it obvious why the low four bits of the code for '0' should be all zero? < 1299444778 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if 'A' would come immediately after '9'? < 1299444782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no < 1299444793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't do much crazy asm golfing < 1299444806 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol complaining about ascii.. hen use ebcdic < 1299444807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I code in stuff that generally uses utf-8 anyway < 1299444808 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if I did that, perhaps '0' would then come at 0x40 instead of 0x30 < 1299444831 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no it isn't obvious < 1299444831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: the "bcd" in "ebcdic" stands for "binary-coded-decimal" < 1299444833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be scared < 1299444833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me why < 1299444851 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It isn't because of golfing, it is just logical! < 1299444856 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why < 1299444866 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying, there are much worse than ascii :) < 1299444881 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yes, I agree < 1299444896 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why is it logical? < 1299444923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I'm not the only one who doesn't get it < 1299444933 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, R6RS disallows REPLs < 1299444934 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Now you have bits 0b01000000=='0' and 0x4A=='A' it makes sense isn't it? < 1299444946 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299444949 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the alphabet looks right in hex < 1299444953 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about base 17? < 1299444954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299444962 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about letters after F? < 1299444965 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty weak justification IMO < 1299444980 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since it is 0x40 instead of 0x30 that means the bits are aligned better for that purpose, too. < 1299444990 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including if you use the entire alphabet. < 1299445025 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Then 0x50=='G' and so on... < 1299445053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how would 0x50=='G' make sense? < 1299445065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because it comes after 'F'. < 1299445074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes I get how it happens < 1299445078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, but shouldn't it be < 1299445084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0x4G=='G' < 1299445090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in base 23 < 1299445100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that would be a LOT more logical :P < 1299445124 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no 0x4G is not a hex number, you need to do it in binary, you use hex just to make shorter typing, instead of binary. < 1299445140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, .... < 1299445143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said hex < 1299445144 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case of computer with 9 bits in one byte, you should use octal instead. < 1299445146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said base 23 < 1299445151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You said "0x", though. < 1299445155 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty hex. < 1299445159 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HeXXX < 1299445160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why < 1299445169 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "heX". < 1299445172 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary = 0b. heX = 0x. < 1299445179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, not in an alternate reality! < 1299445186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where base 23 is called mex < 1299445193 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay stretching it) < 1299445209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I prefer 16#F00 < 1299445236 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So base 29 is sex? < 1299445237 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUR HUR HUR < 1299445255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, awesome idea < 1299445267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, actually wouldn't that be base 69? < 1299445277 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, look at the comedy spewing out of Vorpal's mouth. < 1299445284 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they use things like $42_{\rm ten}$ for forty-two, and so on < 1299445284 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ==(>^w^)> ==(> >.<)> < 1299445290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, no I'm not claiming it is good < 1299445306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes that happens in literature < 1299445326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mostly textbooks < 1299445328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 42_{10}. < 1299445341 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That is used too, sometimes. < 1299445352 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42_{10_{10_{10}_... < 1299445355 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's tens all the way down. < 1299445357 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*10_... < 1299445373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1299445376 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Which is why, to using the words... < 1299445402 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "ten" is just as ambiguous as 10. < 1299445406 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1299445408 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really. < 1299445414 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the hexadecimal number 0x10 then you write "tex" not "ten" < 1299445416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia's hex table uses "hex", "dec" and "oct" subscripts. < 1299445435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no then people would think you mean /usr/bin/tex < 1299445444 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "hundrek" for 0x100 < 1299445453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299445463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is 0o100 a "hundo"? < 1299445471 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299445474 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299445480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, woudln't it be hundro? < 1299445482 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if anyone made up words for saying octal numbers < 1299445484 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hundoc? < 1299445488 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is some for hexadecimal numbers. < 1299445493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is so unstable. < 1299445501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, could be a dog too < 1299445503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'unno, "hundo" sounds like a dialecty "hundred". < 1299445514 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1299445555 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps today you can make up octal speeching. So, we can have decimal, hexadecimal, octal speeching, now. < 1299445556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urban dictionary "hundo": "An increment of 100 dollars. Normally used when reffering to spending habits." < 1299445572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also two other entries much like that. < 1299445578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so only incrementally used? < 1299445615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, more generally too. Apparently "100%" can also be said "hundo". < 1299445620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what about septal and niertal (or whatever you call it?) < 1299445628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninertal* < 1299445667 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can do that if you want, but probably is not quite commonly that it could be used enough. < 1299445692 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While hexadecimal would be used secondly to decimal, and octal maybe thirdly? < 1299445701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octal is rather rare < 1299445705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary is more common < 1299445717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written 0b a lot more than 0 in C < 1299445723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was C where I knew the compiler < 1299445726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1299445728 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to use octal the other day due to Java < 1299445735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, oh? < 1299445757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically I used 0b prefix in C when dealing with IO register masking on some embedded systems < 1299445767 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes octal is rare. However, a lot of TeX: The Program uses a lot of octal numbers, although I think it would be clearer if hex is used instead (WEB supports both... Pascal supports neither...) < 1299445775 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I couldn't figure out how to exter a character in hex, so I used '\ooo' < 1299445788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooo < 1299445813 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, however, occasionally found octal useful. I find octal clearer than hexadecimal when entering the bit patterns for a seven-segment display, is one thing. < 1299445884 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand? < 1299445941 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Can you use \x like you can in C? < 1299445960 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do that in a string but it didn't like it in the char constant < 1299445981 0 :mycrofti1!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299445996 0 :nooga__!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299445996 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use \u00xx < 1299446042 0 :comex_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299446042 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299446043 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299446079 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just have done char foo = 0xff; if it was a constant? < 1299446085 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (char)0xff or whatever < 1299446092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Septenary and nonary. < 1299446101 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I would think that too, at least in C, but maybe in Java it doesn't do? < 1299446103 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299446148 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it is possible to write a Java program in C, if you have a C compiler to target JVM < 1299446165 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't surprise me if conversions to/from char are needlessly limited < 1299446172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can cast a number into char, but it does need the cast. < 1299446191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And character literals indeed only do \nnn with octal, or \uxxxx with hex. < 1299446203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote However, it is possible to write a Java program in C, if you have a C compiler to target JVM < 1299446206 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one funny thing is that Java allows \uxxxx escapes in code too - useful if someone uses µ in an identifier < 1299446238 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blackberry has stuff like that in their api) < 1299446244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1299446288 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my programs, if I want Greek letter in an identifier, I will do something like, @f mu TeX and now it will print in Greek, even though I did not type it in Greek. < 1299446363 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even Hebrew, a bit..... < 1299446407 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Septenary and nonary. <-- I prefer ninerary then < 1299446483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU MANGLE ALREADY MANGLED LATIN < 1299446496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because niner is an awesome spelling < 1299446505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO_spelling_alphabet < 1299446518 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299447083 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.17/20110121150729] < 1299447123 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299447186 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because I can, I have made up some conditional functions in TeX without using any of the primitive conditional commands at all. < 1299447282 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is not how you would do in actual documents, it is just to show how it can be done. < 1299447310 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now see if you can figure out any of them by yourself, too. < 1299447853 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299448207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1299448218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you are barbaric. < 1299448221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR ESOLANGS WEBSITE IS BROKEN < 1299448223 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::=| < 1299448232 0 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299448232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NO THIS TIME I HAD EXCELLENT CAUSE < 1299448232 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299448232 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1299448280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros < 1299448280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make it with macros? --Zzo38 03:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC) < 1299448280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] Macros for ClearBF < 1299448280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We couldn't implement the functionality of macros in this first version due to time constraints. But we thought about it and we suggested to allocate a special buffer in the infinite tape to host the macros. May be that will be for future versions of the ClearBF Compiler. Yasser 21:08, 03 March 2011 (UTC) < 1299448285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MACROS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TAPE < 1299448389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THEM AT RUNTIME < 1299448423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WELL IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW < 1299448453 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan swats FireFly -----### < 1299448454 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now? < 1299448468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR LINKS ARE DEAD < 1299448473 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what links? < 1299448476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way oerjan manages to do that more or less completely out of the blue every now and then < 1299448511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://firefly.nu/diverse/esolangs/migol09/bf.mgl in particular < 1299448518 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299448519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/jfgec < 1299448531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks like it's unsolvable to me. < 1299448559 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, perhaps not... < 1299448580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://firefly.nu/diverse/esolangs/Migol09/miGoL.mgl and for that matter the entire diverse/ directory afaict < 1299448595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Two ladders rest in opposite sides of a room. One is 10 feet long, while the other is 12 feet long." < 1299448598 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, cause it's actually Diverse, but it used to be on a shitty windows server < 1299448620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1299448620 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: HA HA HA < 1299448620 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299448625 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the former should work < 1299448638 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the latter, if you change the casing of the Migol09 directory < 1299448669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1299448673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "I tried it again. This time I measured the apparent parallax movement of my thumb to an object twelve feet away. Extrapolating from that ratio in arcseconds, I calculated that the opposite wall is 0 AU away. X = 0 AU." < 1299448675 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299448708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://i.imgur.com/QXqoj.png < 1299448853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, so he specified the question stupidly. < 1299448879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have to admit, that value of 0 AU is probably accurate to quite a lot of decimal places < 1299448883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed! < 1299449000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, BF Joust is stuck in my head < 1299449003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much the same way songs can be < 1299449018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I'm mostly done with waterfall3, as I can't think of much of a way to improve it < 1299449027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/fy9gq/rmath_im_learning_my_first_language_this_semester/ < 1299449028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :special-casing short tapes doesn't help as it weakens the program on everything else < 1299449038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still teach Fortran as a first language. < 1299449039 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299449054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generally speaking, given a sufficiently long tape it beats more or less every other strategy < 1299449059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for lead_acetate_philip on one polarity < 1299449069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some draws against shudders < 1299449074 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft... Solving 4th degree equation numerically. 4th degree equations can be solved symbolically as well. :-) < 1299449087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I thought FORTRAN was *the* science language, but I'm confused why it can't handle as big as 3^10." < 1299449088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1299449101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :59049 should be in range, surely? < 1299449107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1299449116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I know that number off by heart because of Malbolge < 1299449124 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299449126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it comes up in TriINTERCAL too < 1299449128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ok i fixed the links on EsoInterpreters, Migol and your user page, unfortunately i have no idea how to search for the rest efficiently if there are any < 1299449132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how they "calculated" the maximum FORTRAN integer to be 2^31 - 1. < 1299449137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empirical! < 1299449158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell handles the so-called "bignums" transparently and its syntax is probably as close to mathematics as you can get." < 1299449164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASKELL'S SYNTAX IS NOT MATHEMATICS THAT DOESN'T EVEN MEAN ANYTHING < 1299449173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course not! < 1299449175 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Agda! < 1299449177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hey, uh, how do you enable core dumps. < 1299449178 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, thanks. No more that I know of, at least < 1299449188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ulimit -c < 1299449189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in bash, ulimit -Sc 1024000 or whatever number you like < 1299449199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in kilobytes, IIRC < 1299449205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : enable core dumps and then look at the backtrace in gdb < 1299449208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backtrace of... the core dum,p? < 1299449209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the S do? < 1299449210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dump < 1299449211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using -Scnot just -c lets you change your mind leater < 1299449214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IUNNO WHAT I'M MEANT TAH DO < 1299449221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it allows you to increase the limit < 1299449228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, ulimit limits are set hard and unchangeable < 1299449229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, gdb < 1299449233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use them for security < 1299449237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and core dumps have backtraces < 1299449247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you can see by opening them in gdb and running the backtrace command < 1299449250 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debugs from the core dump. < 1299449344 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1299449364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Casio FX-83ES is more sophisticated than the 85ES. < 1299449385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how core dumps go to core < 1299449403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this modern gnu world I would expect mcmap.2897598734545.elf-dump or something else similarly ENTERPRISEY < 1299449405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, "core" < 1299449410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reassuring somehow. < 1299449418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "ENTERPRISEY"? < 1299449428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE MIGHT EVEN WAY. < 1299449431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENTERPRISEY. < 1299449436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let ais523 explain the whole < 1299449438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enterprisey thing < 1299449445 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a kernel config thing where you can write a pattern for the < 1299449452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: DON'T < 1299449452 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :core dump file name. < 1299449453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DESTROY < 1299449453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY < 1299449455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPINESS < 1299449460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were SLEEPING, anyway. < 1299449471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can have all kinds of %x expandables too. < 1299449487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the 1-star reviews of the 83ES
< 1299449499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pids, uids, gids, name of executable, hostname, so on. < 1299449505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the classic "This calculator only does FRACTIONS AAAH I HATE IT" < 1299449508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you can be the enterprise. < 1299449573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be the enterprise you wish to see in the world. < 1299449677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo '%h.%e.%t.%p.%u:%g.%s.core' > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern < 1299449699 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the expanded name might be longer than the limit of 64 chars. < 1299449709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fact that Amazon includes a scientific calculator as an "office product". < 1299449769 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299450557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299450665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Hey look, it's like that stock market thing! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MERS < 1299450866 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299450928 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299450929 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299451181 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-180-163.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299451188 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299452021 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299452047 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299452196 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299452233 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1299452260 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299452306 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299452538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HarperCollins says US libraries can lend its ebooks only 26 times as print books have to be replaced after that" < 1299452635 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1299452642 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea print books were replaced < 1299452658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: "Basically this asshat pulled that number out of his butt. I used to work in at a library and books easily last way more than 26 borrowings (e.g., bestellers get borrowed over 20 times in just their first year). A library couldn't economically survive if books didn't last more than 26 borrowings, which btw is why libraries only stock hardback versions." < 1299452688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Not only is it yet another water-is-not-wet argument for copyright (are there any others?), but it's based on false premises too. < 1299452696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not that I don't expect HarperCollins really believes that shit. < 1299452700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that I believe < 1299452748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299453677 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299453741 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me a water-is-not-wet argument based on correct premises. < 1299453750 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make up a code table to see how I might have done it if I had made a code instead of using ASCII and it is somewhat like that - http://sprunge.us/cOaE < 1299453775 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo < 1299453806 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you decide how many times you lend the books based on whether or not water is wet? < 1299453815 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that's cool < 1299453823 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299453845 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: Do you think it is a bit better job than ASCII? < 1299453865 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is not even complete yet, however) < 1299453883 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now here's an additional problem < 1299453902 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure that it withstands adding random noise to the signal < 1299453913 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, that it's more resilient than ascii < 1299453951 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do that you need to add an extra error correction, it is not part of the character coding. That would be a separate thing. < 1299453960 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means for one thing being able to easily notice erroneous characters < 1299453969 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no need for error correction, just sanity correction < 1299453988 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. words usually don't have capital letters in the middle unless they're all caps < 1299454011 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the fact that words are made out of letters or that in a computer language certain characters come in pairs < 1299454027 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you should be able to tell, but some of redundancy in language is also depending whether or not you write in English. < 1299454046 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299454074 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the most basic thing is, looking at those characters that come in pairs, that flipping just several bits doesn't give you another character of that type < 1299454084 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and certainly that the distance to the dual character is maximized < 1299454103 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd probably want [ to be ] with all bits flipped or something like that < 1299454105 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can try making a simulation to see what will happene < 1299454136 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: Doing some of those things, however, might mess up other aspects of the code < 1299454422 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if [ is ] with all bits flipped, then it might disrupt other patterns in this code. < 1299454467 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not design it for noise correction. < 1299454799 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wow < 1299454802 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :onew of my programs is on the hill still < 1299454814 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one though < 1299454972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299454981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: it's been like that for years < 1299454987 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299455002 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want games like that < 1299455004 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with more depth < 1299455011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Like what? < 1299455011 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you think bf joust has depth? < 1299455015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust has depth, certainly. < 1299455018 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299455019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not aware of the new developments? < 1299455021 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm reading the pag < 1299455022 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not < 1299455025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incredibly advanced hybrid-defence programs have been written. < 1299455028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, part defence, part attack. < 1299455028 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, stuff like fyb and core wars < 1299455032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1299455033 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1299455037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: FYB has no depth; it is fundamentally broken. < 1299455042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was demonstrated on this channel a while back. < 1299455043 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1299455047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about @@. < 1299455050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor admitted it, at least. < 1299455060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I firmly believe that BF Joust has the same depth as Core War. < 1299455064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask ais523 or quintopia. < 1299455071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Here's some good reading material. < 1299455078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/quintopia_space_elevator.bfjoust < 1299455078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/ais523_defend9_75.bfjoust < 1299455084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/ais523_waterfall3.bfjoust < 1299455101 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhaahaha < 1299455104 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1299455111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the completely insane http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/Gregor_furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls.bfjoust, which contains its own generator program. < 1299455230 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not worthy < 1299455262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Note that all the ones linked are partially computer-generated (well, dunno about waterfall3). < 1299455291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator because it's basically a bunch of mechanical repetitions of the same basic strategy, defend9.75 because it's incredibly complex, and FFSPG because... I don't know, Gregor is a madman. < 1299455378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT LEAST BFJOUST KEEPS HIM OFF THE STREETS < 1299455382 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299455467 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed someone edited my Wikipedia userpage by adding the text "Why the heck did MFGGer link to page of this?" with the summary "This page has DRM in it" and then changed it back in five minutes. What kind of stuff is that? < 1299455521 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "has DRM in it", you mean that the letters "DRM" appear like that, then it is correct it probably does. < 1299455619 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to use redundant userboxes that are redundant? < 1299455956 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299455958 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made a userbox that was supposed to be randomly colored < 1299455964 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then #rand was eliminated < 1299456010 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use something based on the current time of day? < 1299456027 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, didn't think of that < 1299456204 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can try now see what happen? < 1299456333 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1299456338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too interested, tbh < 1299456474 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a wiki, it has no colors but you could do things based on the time of day. However, if we want more random numbers I should implement that in addition because the time of day is only in minutes < 1299456633 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play a card game called Yomi, do they have a userbox for that, maybe? < 1299457195 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of tempting to try and hack at the bfjoust hill again < 1299457208 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I'd need to write my thesis on it to have any chance at this current state of development < 1299457212 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g229030067.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299457375 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299458108 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299458120 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299458218 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1299458300 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow: "When just one person is using certain P2P networks at home, I have seen 30 or more TCP SYNs _per second_ going out - over a 2Mbit ADSL." < 1299458378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO, AND SYN NO MORE < 1299458672 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, CGNs tend to have low state timeouts (as low as 1 minute has been spotted). < 1299460155 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-229.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299460160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299460915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's kind of tempting to try and hack at the bfjoust hill again < 1299460915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I think I'd need to write my thesis on it to have any chance at this current state of development < 1299460926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd be surprised, what with Gregor's quick rise from cheap tricks :D < 1299461945 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299462746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299462772 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299464611 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I missed anything important in making a wiki system? < 1299464631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the chickens? < 1299464872 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299464873 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299464873 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1299465098 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What chickens? < 1299465287 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you chicken? < 1299465319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah he's just an egghead < 1299465443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are a bit fishy in freefall today < 1299465684 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My userpage in Wikipedia is fixed now, isn't it? < 1299465809 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it broken more now? < 1299465898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the brokenness is self-referential < 1299465964 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think I fixed it more and I also broke it more, too. < 1299466134 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the new things I added to the bottom (except for a HTML comment near the top) < 1299466205 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read it? < 1299466296 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them I (or others can) might change to template pages so that it can be transcluded instead < 1299466341 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has no article about "Yomi (card game)"! < 1299467268 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of cleric domain would you make for this spell? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/options/Good_Insane_Spell.s < 1299467283 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299467302 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think domain clerics ought to cast it sometimes?) < 1299467351 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Do you think domain clerics ought to cast it sometimes? < 1299467739 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A curious spell. < 1299467830 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight all < 1299467831 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299467860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299467895 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, it was connection error. < 1299468561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299469506 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. Two of temperature sensors report alarms on this computer. Except those aren't "temperature too high", it is "temperature too low". < 1299469506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299469515 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299469518 0 :pizearke2!411cad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.28.173.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299469540 0 :pizearke2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1299470394 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: What should be the minimum temperature, then? < 1299470437 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those minimum temps seem way too high. < 1299470466 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you try to figure out the reason for that, and if it is not good reason, adjust the minimum setting to a lower number? < 1299470693 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree that UNIX is better than SpectateSwamp Desktop Search? < 1299470978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:26:10 Today I Learned: ais523 is a KDE person. < 1299470978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolno < 1299471001 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then explain the use of Konversation and Akregator < 1299471053 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, a lump on a log is better than SpectateSwamp Desktop Search [slight exaggeration] < 1299471055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:50:49 indeed, I pinged him then and didn't get a response (I don't actually /know/ that fizzie is male, but I'm guessing) < 1299471055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:51:46 To quote a high-school English teacher "English is a male language, if you don't know somebody's sex then you should use 'he', deal with it." < 1299471055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untrue. < 1299471070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would totally argue this, except me and variable just argued with and subsequently convinced pikhq about this issue mere days ago, so I can't be arsed. < 1299471087 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just quoting a teacher :P < 1299471114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote Hitler, "We should kill all the Jews." < 1299471120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Especially Gregor Richards." < 1299471121 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Better for what? < 1299471154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:56:10 pikhq_: And yet, we have no gender-neutral living pronouns... < 1299471154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they < 1299471163 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point < 1299471187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anything. And anyone. Except maybe SpectateSwamp. He might find use out of it. < 1299471246 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299471274 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not anything. Bump on the log is probably no good if you want to share videos? (Unless you have a video camera, in which case you should use the video camera instead) < 1299471311 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299471326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:10:01 elliott, then explain the use of Konversation and Akregator < 1299471332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible to install kde programs in gnome < 1299471416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSDS is no good if you want something usable by anyone outside the set of {SpectateSwamp, zzo38} < 1299471456 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not find it a very good program either < 1299471489 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely work with videos anyways. < 1299471781 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GNOME excludes all. < 1299471793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you log in, GNOME removes all non-GNOME programs. Permanently. < 1299471796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including all associated data. < 1299471822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so great about Konversation and Akregator though that makes them worth using on GNOME? < 1299471843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've kind of always had a prejucide for keeping GTK+ apps on GNOME and Qt on KDE < 1299471856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hmm, not that much < 1299471862 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME apps on GNOME and KDE apps on KDE < 1299472209 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, KDE apps on GNOME works quite well these days. < 1299472489 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how Ferrero has the balls to claim that Nutella is an exceptionally healthy food.
< 1299472513 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ⅔ sugar! < 1299472529 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(corn syrup in the US) < 1299472855 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lifthrasiir < 1299472957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's delicious. < 1299472960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite relevant. < 1299473000 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299473006 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :healthy for your soul < 1299473008 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1299473087 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: True, true. < 1299473164 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.viva64.com/en/b/0094/ < 1299473251 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299473952 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-178-112.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299473953 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299474135 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299474269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299474274 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-221-24.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299474380 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299474440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bieng diagnsoed with a seriuos illenss or giong throguh a divocre ofetn triggres derpession." < 1299474442 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolspam < 1299474447 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't want derpession. < 1299474455 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(durpession?) < 1299474474 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2k9JwGpm1w Some days, I ♥ BBC. < 1299474487 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299474492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't seen look around you? < 1299474498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1299474503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the best TV show on earth < 1299474514 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it doesn't air in the US. < 1299474521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: You have the Internet. < 1299474528 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hence why I'm seeing it now. < 1299474536 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, well, hence *how* I'm seeing it now. < 1299474537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't air in the UK either, there are two series and they each have like six episodes, like all British programs :P < 1299474548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the second serious is wildly different.) < 1299474579 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but the point is, *quality TV basically doesn't happen in the US*. < 1299474590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like your mom. ...what? < 1299474597 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when it does, in which case it gets freaking milked for all it's got. < 1299474612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait until you get to the music episode. < 1299474627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now little mouse / I hope we understand one another / Hey now little mouse / Show me what to do. < 1299474630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MEANING, IT IS SO DEEP. < 1299474668 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look around you is truly awesome < 1299474678 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, the US is lacking in quality TV < 1299474682 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for satire < 1299474684 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fantastic < 1299474714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:11 %.b : %.bfm < 1299474714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:19 *Surely* pfuck.0.b matches that. < 1299474715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:51 * GregorR never uses that syntax. < 1299474715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:59 .bfm.b: < 1299474723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor came here from the 70s to let us all know that, 70s! < 1299474765 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh, it definitely has some quality. And this quality gets spread out into as many seasons as it takes for the quality to stop. < 1299474965 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And you came here from 200(something) to tell us that ... < 1299474984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299475829 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299477040 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299477120 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299477201 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299477500 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. ATI drivers are kinda weird with Flash video. < 1299477512 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full-screen performance > normal performance. < 1299477524 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(judging from smoothness of video & lack of tearing) < 1299477748 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299478418 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299478554 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299478555 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299478555 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299478813 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299478883 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299479510 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299481882 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299481910 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299481910 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299481910 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299482031 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299484541 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299484799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299484800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299485475 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: if you're in linux and using ff, try installing flash-aid < 1299485488 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i've had the same problems as you because of a wrong version of flash being installed < 1299485604 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: It's just that I get video tearing from Flash not v-syncing *unless* it's full screen. < 1299485619 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't really suggest any actual *problems*, except incompetence. < 1299486219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299486408 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299486722 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-141-60.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299486963 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299487121 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228061180.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299487133 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah, i've had that too. give it a go. < 1299487424 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299487424 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299487424 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299487460 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-22.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299487466 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299487580 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299488601 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1299489813 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1299490154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299490158 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299490278 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299490415 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299490597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299490688 0 :arw!~Weidner@p54A6CC6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299490738 0 :arw!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299493260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fuckyeahnouns.com/bfjoust < 1299493274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I sure hope it'll return the same image for everyone.) < 1299493354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does < 1299493410 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You might find http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/tmp.gif amusing too; the reference might be lost on non-.fi people, though. < 1299494435 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1299495995 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299496232 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299498374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide < < 1299498469 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_suicide: 0.0 < 1299498507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1299498524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(waterfall3 was losing to the program at the bottom of the hill and none of the programs above it, so I bumped it off to regain a flawless record) < 1299498554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nop . < 1299498575 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_nop: 4.1 < 1299498625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems no-ops still have a vague chance on the hill < 1299498671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, all the numbered defenders have fallen off the hill < 1299498838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust trivial (>)*9(+[[-]].>)*21 < 1299498844 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for fizzie_trivial: 15.4 < 1299498845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in the interests of experimentation. < 1299498862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/JKFa < 1299498869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with the whitespace bug fixed < 1299498871 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 43.2 < 1299498874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or workarounded, anyway < 1299498886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do rather better now that it's repeating 9 times rather than 1 < 1299498902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, #8, not bad < 1299498905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually if you had whitespace, it was interpreted as *0. < 1299498921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1299498949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to see waterfall3 still beats it < 1299498951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with the bugfix < 1299498955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did (...)*[garbage] as *0 since it was giving parse error for Gregor's "let's put some Perl inside (...)*0" thing. < 1299498988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a very chaotic match, because they keep trying to full-tape-clear each other, which is always messy < 1299498993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Gregor installamated the bugfixed gearlance; perhaps not. < 1299499012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust trivial ((>)*9(+[[-]].>)*21)* 1 < 1299499015 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for fizzie_trivial: 4.2 < 1299499019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. < 1299499072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, triplock is targeted specifically against the sequence ]]] < 1299499091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see trivial's score drop if you change the [[-]] to [[[-]]], not that there's any reason to really do that directly < 1299499102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because things like [-[++[+]]] are quite common that it's a good tactic < 1299499128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(things like ]]...] also fall to it) < 1299499138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where you can interpret the ... as an ellipsis, or as waiting three cycles) < 1299499182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust trivial (>)*9(+[[[-]]]>)*21 < 1299499185 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for fizzie_trivial: 8.6 < 1299499214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try that against triplock3 in egojsout, to see if it actually finishes in a plausible length of time < 1299499627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it'll "only" be ten thousand cycles or so < 1299499650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought of a new statistic for you to graph, btw: for each program, the average length of time before it wins, and before it loses < 1299499670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before it draws would potentially be useful, but only if there were simultaneous-loss draws rather than timeout draws, and I'm not sure if there are any on the hill) < 1299499757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try that out at home. I already have an average-duel-length graph, but it's sorted according to left/right program, not the win/loss result. < 1299499782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a program tends to win slowly but lose quickly, for instance, it's likely defence < 1299500256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to adapt juiced to attempt to determine the reason for a win or loss < 1299500267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which obviously can't always be done automatically, but there are some cases where you can make a good guess < 1299500504 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're not above using cheap tactics, here's a mostly-constant evo4 tweak that I think beats waterfall, purely to screw up your +-row. (At least it did in egojsout unless I misran something.) < 1299500508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evo4 ((-)*8>)*9((-)*128.[.(-)*1]+.>)*21 < 1299500519 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for fizzie_evo4: 15.1 < 1299500521 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I forgot the underscore in the name. < 1299500549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's at the bottom so you can displace it easily. But the table has a - in it now. < 1299500562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Epiphany is so much faster than Firefox at egojsout < 1299500571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange, because Chromium wasn't when I tested < 1299500623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it crashes/freezes when I try to run the animation < 1299500646 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they had a js engine update at some point late last year < 1299500682 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you link me up to bfjsout? < 1299500699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ < 1299500702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually called egojsout < 1299500708 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1299500731 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right i messed the name up :) < 1299500801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plot thickens: Epiphany itself was working fine, just the egojsout tab itself was broken < 1299500855 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1299500893 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais523 how does bfjoust work exactly? < 1299500895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone else try this run: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=f9ca4256e24ba262ba77e3ff7c182288baff4dee&r=e334674b466455690582d51437a4400e7dab8f98 < 1299500904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: what do you mean by that? < 1299500913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language itself? the competition ecosystem? < 1299500925 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter please < 1299500933 0 :nooga__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299500958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, there's a "hill" here in #esoteric, which contains the top 48 or so programs of the past < 1299500974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever anyone submits an entry, it's run against all the programs on a hill, and gains points for beating them < 1299500974 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1299500985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get more points by winning by a wider margin, or against better enemies < 1299500997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, the better the enemy or the wider the margin, the more points you lose from losing < 1299501007 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the match performed? < 1299501013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you end up with more points than the worst program previously on the hill, you end up on the hill yourself < 1299501026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 42 games are run, at each of the 21 tapelengths and each of the 2 polarities < 1299501047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(switched/reversed/"kettle" polarity is where one of the programs has all its + and - swapped to avoid trivial dependencies on which way round the program was written) < 1299501094 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the goal of a match? < 1299501100 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, how do you know which program wins? < 1299501119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a program loses if it goes off either end of the tape, or the cell it started on becomes 0 for two cycles in a row < 1299501130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the second person to ask that recently, which implies to me that it should be clearer on the wiki page < 1299501146 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was unable to find the wiki page by googling < 1299501159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1299501178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /did/ you find by googling, if not that? < 1299501289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, isn't looking on Esolang typical for finding definitions of esoprogramming langauges? < 1299501292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*languages? < 1299501354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google for me when searching for "bfjoust" is all "Showing results for joust. Search instead for bfjoust." < 1299501379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But after searching-instead like it suggests, the wiki-page is first. < 1299501491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, "bfjoust" or "BF joust" gives Esolang < 1299501504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hits for "brainfuck joust" are retroprogramming (impomatic's blog) and Agora < 1299501531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION creates redirect at [[Brainfuck Joust]]
< 1299501814 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's why < 1299501825 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is at a lowered mental capacity today
< 1299501836 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, mensa was definitely wrong about me :D < 1299501931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how expanding an abbreviation and not realising that would confuse Google is a sign of stupidity < 1299501932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that normally it makes Google less confused < 1299502001 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest xkcd: Worst ever? < 1299502065 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well according to elliottt everything i do is a sign of stupidity :) < 1299502075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think it's just a complaint in comic form < 1299502099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a reference to the fact that many sites, when visiting any of the pages on their main site on a mobile, redirect to the homepage of the mobile site, not the corresponding page on the mobile site) < 1299502101 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no comedic value whatsoever. < 1299502122 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that's cool, they sneaked zalgo into google search results < 1299502414 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *cough* reddit *cough* < 1299502585 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299503463 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299503787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just went and clarified http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust, and removed most of the gratuitous italics < 1299503789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better now? < 1299504327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :• pikhq_ wonders how Ferrero has the balls to claim that Nutella is an exceptionally healthy food. < 1299504334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferrero has the _best_ balls < 1299504384 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum < 1299504415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Bieng diagnsoed with a seriuos illenss or giong throguh a divocre ofetn triggres derpession." < 1299504421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently dyslexia < 1299504473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait are they doing it on _purpose_ to avoid filters? < 1299504514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299504608 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299505801 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/memes-you-code-in-c-son-i-am-disappoint.jpg < 1299505804 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299505987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's intentional, I just enjoyed "derpession" :P < 1299506222 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299506391 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299506466 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299506738 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have i been repeatedly pinged about space elevator? < 1299506797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall ais523 was about to write something on the wiki about it < 1299506846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also on my list of 5 longest programs on the hill. < 1299506925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that name, ought to be _the_ longest < 1299506942 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-182.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299506950 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299507783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299508081 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was _the_ longest when i first submitted it, which was part of the reason for giving it that name < 1299508150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still is, if you just discount Gregor's "Big Girls" series (FFSPG/FFLDG). < 1299508496 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-21.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299508806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Big Girls" X-D < 1299508840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, it's not an official name?-) < 1299508946 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i suppose it is still the longest program that was hand-assembled (the only generated parts are the defend sequences) < 1299509500 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program was assembled by the loving hands of Perl :P < 1299509746 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510031 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299510061 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062004.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: waterfall3 was assembled by hand, with a bit of help from copy and paste < 1299510088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's probably a bit shorter < 1299510111 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so sayeth fizzie's measurements earlier. < 1299510212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I just spent an hour or so benchmarking recursive hardware < 1299510233 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510234 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299510239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the famously inefficient fibonacci example as the benchmark (the fib(n) = fib(n-1) + fib(n-2) definition, plus base cases, without memoization or anything like that) < 1299510240 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds...dull? < 1299510253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be, although it's fun seeing your code running on the hardware < 1299510262 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hardware? < 1299510267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CPU still outperforms it, but only by a factor of 4 or so < 1299510269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FPGA < 1299510298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's only slower by a factor of 4, it's going to be much much faster when parallelised; the FPGA's quite capable of running 50 or so copies of the code at once < 1299510315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that code's at all useful to run multiple copies in parallel, but the concept generalises to more useful programs < 1299510345 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what CPU are you comparing to? is it something pipelined? < 1299510367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was my supervisor's MacBook < 1299510385 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510417 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510428 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299510439 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the macbook experiment run with the fib program set to run at real-time priority? < 1299510453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but we weren't trying to measure that accurately < 1299510480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm not even sure quite how you set something to realtime priority on a Mac; nor am I at all convinced that setting a process that doesn't yield and takes 30 seconds or so to run to rt priority is a good idea) < 1299510491 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, even while it was multiplexing 30 odd system services and apps, it still beat the FPGA by a factor of four? :P < 1299510506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I used user-time rather than realtime as the measurement, because it's more accurate to the time that a CPU-bound program takes < 1299510516 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299510520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, it's a single-threaded program, so the CPU and FPGA were both executing completely sequentially < 1299510521 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CPU has a faster clock rate, so you'd expect it to be faster < 1299510552 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299510623 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS can't do realtime anyway. < 1299510629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even worse at realtime than Windows. < 1299510677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Windows is even worse than Linux < 1299510695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is far from good at it, without a whole bunch of customizations < 1299510768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, earthshatteringly important question: does "Brainfuck Joust" have a lowercase b when not at the start of a sentence? < 1299510772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no as that would just be weird < 1299510810 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see why you had to ask though < 1299510840 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earth slows down its rotation speed while such an important question hangs in the air < 1299510894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a pity that elliott isn't here < 1299510911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct capitalization is bRAINfUCK JOUST < 1299510914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd give a definitive answer that everyone would agree with < 1299510930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ouch, really? < 1299510934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I'd rather stay incorrect < 1299510943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yup. I decree it canon. < 1299510944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should ask Kerim Aydin about it, he invented the sport in the first place < 1299511051 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be correct < 1299511066 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to accept that Gregor might possibly even be maybe correct < 1299511106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299511170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, < 1299511170 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it is you get a crown? < 1299511175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi coppro < 1299511191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I can't remember; were you playing Agora when BF Joust was created? < 1299511196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the phenomenon start? < 1299511212 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phenomenon? < 1299511220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phenomenon! < 1299511229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phenomenon. < 1299511286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm trying Chromium on that triplock example; it runs the actual runs quite fast, and doesn't crash on the animation, but the animation is very slow for some reason < 1299511353 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299511439 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I joined after it died < 1299511444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, pity < 1299511470 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181138245.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299511984 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512092 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512093 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299512179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with mariolone? < 1299512186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the second time they've joined and quickly parted again < 1299512226 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they are a banned spambot < 1299512255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bans are very rare here, so... < 1299512258 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512259 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299512305 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ircname indicates it is a bot < 1299512433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's parting rather than quitting, so it's not a k-line < 1299512556 0 :mariolone1!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512556 0 :mariolone1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299512810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/5FkE7.jpg < 1299512817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *really* hope this is genuine. < 1299512831 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299512831 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299512904 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ha < 1299513053 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299513089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think cheater is paid to advertise flash-aid whenever anyone has a problem with flash < 1299513094 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299513095 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299513098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1299513117 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at Circa
< 1299513121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just uninstalls "wrong" flash versions and installs the "right" one for ubuntu, it's a firefox plugin < 1299513127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. useless < 1299513134 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the impression that the current syntax was hastily designed < 1299513138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater suggested it because pikhq was having flash v-sync issues. < 1299513269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:02:44 Deewiant: You might find http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/tmp.gif amusing too; the reference might be lost on non-.fi people, though. < 1299513269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure at least 80% of people in the world* know at least Jukka Korpela's site, but I'm struggling to find the reference. (The character encoding?) < 1299513273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*figure not made up, absolutely true < 1299513522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:55:46 hmm, I just went and clarified http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust, and removed most of the gratuitous italics < 1299513522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:55:48 is it better now? < 1299513528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you fix the terrible organisation? < 1299513600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least, calamari looked at the wiki page and had to ask in here to figure out HTF you won a match; I have a feeling that the losing condition isn't prominent enough... blergh, it's terribly rewritten, I'll rewrite it once I finish integrating Guile into mcmap < 1299513630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed the formatting and added more explanation < 1299513637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could still do with being organised a bit better < 1299513689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: on tape length 29, kettle polarity, waterfall3 takes 97389 cycles to beat simple, and at the time its flag has value -11 and is being cleared upwards with a 2-cycle clear < 1299513699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, there are only 22 cycles in it after 97389 < 1299513724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make a great example for the wiki, except it'd kill everyone's browsers < 1299513731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I put it in anyway? waterfall3 doesn't really win on short tapes < 1299513744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you update interior_crocodile_alligator? it's started beating waterfall3 for no obvious reason < 1299513805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as it should lose to it quite badly, strategy-wise < 1299513832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't, no < 1299513838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably chainlance got another shiny bug or something < 1299513905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I misread < 1299513913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fizzie_evo4, updated to beat waterfall3 < 1299513915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1299513925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:52:11 hmm, earthshatteringly important question: does "Brainfuck Joust" have a lowercase b when not at the start of a sentence? < 1299513925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:52:15 my guess is no as that would just be weird < 1299513930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no such thing as Brainfuck Joust < 1299513931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only BF Joust < 1299513938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really wanted to expand it, maybe "brainfuck joust" < 1299513941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was called Brainfuck Joust in the original contract < 1299513946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Brainfuck Joust at the start of a sentence! < 1299513952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but we don't play a game anything like that any more. < 1299513960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people still search for it, though < 1299513979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two people had to ask for the win condition, one couldn't find it in the wiki page, the other couldn't find the wiki page via Google < 1299513980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, cheater searches for it, and cheater is a troll and a (possibly on-purpose) idiot < 1299513992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari's confusion was due to bad wiki page organisation :P < 1299514001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:17 such a pity that elliott isn't here < 1299514001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:37 he'd give a definitive answer that everyone would agree with < 1299514001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I still think , should give 0 on EOF for majority compliance < 1299514005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you never agreed to that < 1299514011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that majority compliance? < 1299514025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there's enough evidence, considering how many crappy BF interps there are < 1299514033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, all the implementations that matter use , = 0 on EOF, apart from dbc's, which use no-change < 1299514046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bff, bff4, esotope, egobf < 1299514048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think programs should be written to allow no-change or 0 on EOF, with a trivial fix for if it's actually -1 < 1299514053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's another matter < 1299514058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1299514060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else if( z->c == ',' ){ m[mp] = getchar(); continue; } < 1299514063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bff4 is just broken < 1299514067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think EOF is guaranteed to be -1 < 1299514071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think interps with more than an 8-bit tape should use -1 or no-change < 1299514080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there aren't many of those < 1299514080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit tape is also canon :P < 1299514084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299514105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, , being 0 is more elegant in most code < 1299514110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, should I post this 97389-cycle monstrosity on the wiki as an example of waterfall3? < 1299514112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the loop structure is fundamentally based on 0 < 1299514116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BUT OF COURSE < 1299514119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using my wonderful template < 1299514129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you need a powerful computer to run it and a browser really good at JS? < 1299514136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely going to describe the program on the wiki < 1299514144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to know which example to use < 1299514153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one shows off quite a lot of what the program can do, but it's so long < 1299514218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds it anyway
< 1299514233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : even though you need a powerful computer to run it and a browser really good at JS? < 1299514242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is where we see the fine border between ais523 < 1299514248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is where we see the fine border between ais523's universe and everyone else's universe. < 1299514262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's the wikisyntax for kettle polarity? < 1299514288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lemme check < 1299514303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: |p=1 < 1299514308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even, wait < 1299514313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299514314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|p=1 < 1299514418 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299514467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299514468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kettle polarity? < 1299514498 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181142197.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299514501 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299514512 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299514513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Inverted polarity for people who have a problem with being clear. < 1299514514 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, +- < 1299514521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299514572 0 :elliott!5b694c60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299514582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, X < 1299514587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you so crashy X_X < 1299514597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest97317 < 1299514606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It heard you saying you were going to leave it for Wayland. < 1299514606 0 :Guest97317!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:26:14 http://i.imgur.com/5FkE7.jpg 16:26:21 I *really* hope this is genuine. < 1299514608 0 :Guest97317!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not. < 1299514611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww. < 1299514624 0 :Guest97317!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest97318 < 1299514627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still pretty funny, though. < 1299514684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just not happy with that guest number? :P < 1299514698 0 :Guest97318!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest97319 < 1299514699 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god < 1299514701 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm incrementing < 1299514703 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is next! < 1299514789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299514808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom__Hoover < 1299514820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299514823 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom___Hoover < 1299514842 0 :Phantom___Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom____Hoove < 1299514851 0 :Phantom____Hoove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn nick limits. < 1299514856 0 :Phantom____Hoove!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1299514906 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungou < 1299514917 0 :fungou!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungov < 1299514921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it's contagious! < 1299514933 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOO < 1299514935 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S GETTING < 1299514936 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPONENTIAL < 1299514945 0 :Guest97319!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest97320 < 1299514954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now known as Gregor
< 1299514963 0 :Guest97320!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest194640 < 1299514977 0 :Guest194640!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest389280 < 1299514988 0 :Guest389280!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest15153891840 < 1299515003 0 :Guest15153891840!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: overflow < 1299515003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it isn't Ackermann < 1299515079 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1299515128 0 :elliott_!5b694c60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299515142 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299515155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that, friends, is why you always identify. < 1299515174 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299515186 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181128191.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299515319 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299515441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? < 1299515453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Exponentials. < 1299515465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the silliness has passed? < 1299515467 0 :fungov!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungot < 1299515493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char is always at least 8 bits, right? < 1299515537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in C99 it is. < 1299515547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might well be in earlier editions too. < 1299515547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : packet_add_byte(p, (jbyte) scm_to_char(scm_car(scheme_field))); < 1299515549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good :-P < 1299515554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*schar < 1299515558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think jbytes are signed. < 1299515561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No?) < 1299515573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java "byte" is. < 1299515582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the name would suggest so. < 1299515595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's int8_t. < 1299515778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, before anyone shouts at me, waterfall3's constants were tweaked by a genuine genetic algorithm, not just evolutionary < 1299515786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even did crossover/sexual reproduction < 1299515829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between genetic and evolutionary? < 1299515845 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299515884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genetic's a subtype that has reproduction and a genotype, IIRC < 1299515975 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181137157.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: amazing < 1299516160 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm taking a bio class now *sigh* < 1299516381 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299516467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, my description of waterfall3 is really long compared to the others < 1299516491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was trying to explain what the program actually did, and it's less simple than most of the other descriptions as there are so many cases < 1299516555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think the triplock is going to turn up a lot more in the future < 1299516562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that two of the best current programs use it < 1299516726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how come ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys is doing so well < 1299516735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 4 decoys the most common number at the moment? < 1299516768 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299516769 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: char is always 8 bits in all versions of C < 1299516776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: wrong < 1299516783 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181143033.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516789 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in C89 it is. In C99 it is. perhaps pre-standard it wasn't < 1299516796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's allowed to be more than 8, although the only other values I know of it having are 9 (some old mainframes), and 32 (DSPs) < 1299516803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think CHAR_BIT is in the standards? < 1299516809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have to be 8 in POSIX, though < 1299516814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust triple_tripwire_avoider (+)*20(++>)*4(-->[>>(>[+[--[(-)*120[-]]]])*21])*23(>++[-])*2 < 1299516816 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm your right. I should have said "at least 8 bits" < 1299516826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair enough < 1299516844 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking at least but didn't type it. Meh < 1299516896 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot? < 1299516941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1299516944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1299516947 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1299516950 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516950 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299516950 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299516988 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more chainlance bugs? ;) < 1299516994 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust do_nothing_forever [.] < 1299516996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it hasn't even started < 1299517006 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the scores? < 1299517017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/report.txt < 1299517030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/breakdown.txt is stats for the last/current run < 1299517037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still showing the last run, which is a sign that it hasn't started < 1299517043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, now it has < 1299517067 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious to see how well do nothing will do < 1299517077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around 4.2, typically < 1299517131 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_do_nothing_forever: 5.7 < 1299517131 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_triple_tripwire_avoider: 37.7 < 1299517160 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow - I won Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys.bfjoust vs variable_do_nothing_forever.bfjoust < 1299517168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tripwire avoider < 1299517179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust _double_tripwire_avoider < < 1299517195 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__double_tripwire_avoider: 0.0 < 1299517200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quadruple_tripwire_avoider (+)*20(++>)*4(-->[>>>(>[+[--[(-)*120[-]]]])*21])*23(>++[-])*2 < 1299517213 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Score for variable_do_nothing_forever: 5.7 --> heh < 1299517223 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_quadruple_tripwire_avoider: 26.3 < 1299517232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quadruple_tripwire_avoider < < 1299517235 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_quadruple_tripwire_avoider: 0.0 < 1299517247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quintuple_tripwire_avoider (+)*20(++>)*4(-->[>>>>(>[+[--[(-)*120[-]]]])*21])*23(>++[-])*2 < 1299517259 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_quintuple_tripwire_avoider: 24.3 < 1299517271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust quintuple_tripwire_avoider < < 1299517274 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_quintuple_tripwire_avoider: 0.0 < 1299517280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sextuple_tripwire_avoider (+)*20(++>)*4(-->[>>>>>(>[+[--[(-)*120[-]]]])*21])*23(>++[-])*2 < 1299517283 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_sextuple_tripwire_avoider: 23.5 < 1299517288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sextuple_tripwire_avoider < < 1299517291 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_sextuple_tripwire_avoider: 0.0 < 1299517294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like 3's optimum on the current hill < 1299517328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect optimal tripwire avoidance count will rise as time goes on, with current strategies < 1299517358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should say, current trends < 1299517461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attack and defence are so different nowadays < 1299517469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you get to try a whole load of different defences if you like < 1299517474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you use an attack, you have to commit to it < 1299517488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a really slow one, which is counterproductive < 1299517655 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299517748 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_change_anything [.<>.] < 1299517751 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_this_change_anything: 0.0 < 1299517754 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_change_anything [..] < 1299517763 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_this_change_anything: 4.4 < 1299517777 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1299517833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the score of a nop is a reflection of the number of tripwire-avoiders on the hill, more than anything else < 1299517860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pure draws don't add to score for whatever reason, so it doesn't count pure defenders as well like you might expect it to, not that pure defenders really exist nowadays) < 1299518022 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust just_do_this > < 1299518025 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_just_do_this: 4.2 < 1299518048 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I enjoy seeing how simple strategies do in various games. < 1299518054 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust just_do_that < < 1299518056 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_just_do_that: 0.0 < 1299518064 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust just_do_that . < 1299518067 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_just_do_that: 4.2 < 1299518081 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust only_add + < 1299518083 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_only_add: 5.9 < 1299518101 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299518101 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299518101 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299518102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299518142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, after reading through discussion at Agora, it's struck me that if I were very evil I could submit a huge number of copies of waterfall3 and push all other programs off the hill (this always happens if you have a program that beats everything, and submit enough copies of it) < 1299518153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I won't, because there wouldn't be much point < 1299518164 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at Agora? < 1299518198 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1299518255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old archives < 1299518258 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299518259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of when BF Joust was created < 1299518272 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, would that still apply with the fixed point scoring system? < 1299518335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe not < 1299518346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it obviously draws with itself, that might make a foothold hard to gain < 1299518349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not obvious either way to me < 1299518370 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try it out, for science < 1299518373 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Back up the hill :P < 1299518380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's automatically backed up < 1299518382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't suggest it < 1299518387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll definitely work on the /current/ hill < 1299518392 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Back up the entire hill manually < 1299518396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all hypothetical future hills that the issue's about < 1299518410 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hill is in Mercurial anyway. < 1299518418 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You asked for it < 1299518431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1299518442 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ais523_waterfall3_1 http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/ais523_waterfall3.bfjoust < 1299518448 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy vey < 1299518448 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for elliott__ais523_waterfall3_1: 55.6 < 1299518449 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ais523_waterfall3_2 http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/ais523_waterfall3.bfjoust < 1299518453 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for elliott__ais523_waterfall3_2: 53.5 < 1299518454 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it in /msg X-D < 1299518476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, time to go home < 1299518479 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're actually getting a worse score each time < 1299518487 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, this one is going slowly < 1299518489 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Duh" < 1299518498 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the question is whether it'll push everything else off < 1299518520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will, it'll get lower scores but still form a higher block. < 1299518536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's obvious on the current hill < 1299518537 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Which is a flaw in the scoring system :P < 1299518543 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stop now, Gregor should probably revert that. < 1299518544 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not. < 1299518546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend you put the hill back to normal, anyway, at some point < 1299518556 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better to revert, since things will have been pushed off < 1299518556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to protect it from elliott's evil experimentation < 1299518611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299518845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i_regret_everything < < 1299518848 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_i_regret_everything: 0.0 < 1299518858 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1299519050 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easiest way to get it to rerun the hill :P < 1299519373 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299519459 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299519459 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299519459 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299519514 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029002.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299519554 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299520430 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: where is your hg repo of the channel logS? < 1299520538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: See PM < 1299520642 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I thought they were public now < 1299520671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're public if they're in the /topic X-P < 1299520680 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, I may or may not care, I vacillate on that :P < 1299520707 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets up a bot to download all of Gregor's logs every five seconds.
< 1299520708 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299520730 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches elliott_'s internet connection slow down
< 1299520748 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running it on my botnet. < 1299520764 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust one . < 1299520764 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust two [.] < 1299520764 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference - lets see < 1299520769 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299520774 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those programs are literally identical < 1299520781 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they get a different score it's because of things being pushed off the hill < 1299520793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should make a scientific computing botnet ... spread a virus, hack a bunch of machines, then use them to cure cancer :P < 1299520803 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_one: 4.1 < 1299520803 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_two: 4.1 < 1299520814 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: its called @home < 1299520815 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's called Folding@Home < 1299520818 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: *hi5* < 1299520824 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyword here is "botnet" < 1299520829 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yep < 1299520831 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "spread by virii" < 1299520848 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A memetic virus, but yes. < 1299520854 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy, that is so many levels of bullshit. < 1299520857 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hey, you, install F@H! Join my team!" "Okay!") < 1299520870 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fictional Richard Dawkins FUMES AT YOU < 1299520908 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should box up Folding@Home with an actual worm, thereby forcing anybody too stupid to upgrade from Windows $OBSOLETE to at least cure cancer :P < 1299520922 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how are memes bullshit ? < 1299520926 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has been bandied about too many times that someone should make a virus that upgrades IE. < 1299520940 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targeting IE 6, naturally. < 1299520945 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Upgrades it to Firefox, say X-P) < 1299520960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: The description of that as a virus, given my previous statements, is just being a contrarian asshat. < 1299520976 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: on any windows computer I touch I replace IE with with FF and change the image icon to the IE logo < 1299520985 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? A contrarian asshat? My my! < 1299520998 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: You should probably not touch too many Windows computers. < 1299520998 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I know, it's so unlike you! < 1299521000 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially corporate ones X-P < 1299521011 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No it isn't, dickwad! < 1299521028 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *brain axplote* < 1299521096 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, there's an interesting GC concept. I should steal it for @. < 1299521115 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299521123 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299521155 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: @ = elliottOS, my pie-in-the-goddamn-sky pipe dream of an OS; and < 1299521169 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://wingolog.org/archives/2011/02/25/ports-weaks-gc-and-dark-matter grep /garbage collectors, yo/ < 1299521177 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a meta-post-of-posts, the rest is irrelevant.) < 1299521194 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Linux/x86 stuff is of course irrelevant, it's the GC concept itself that would work well in an OS environment.) < 1299521281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's clever, using the page fault as your barrier. < 1299521313 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an OS might actually be able to get away with constantly running a GC... < 1299521320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it would be difficult to guarantee that /eventually/ all pointers get changed, so it's not clear from this tiny description how to ever reuse memory space, but *eh* :P < 1299521349 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I wonder if you don't _have_ to run the GC _all_ the time... < 1299521352 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, just have it as a regular thread. < 1299521358 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was thinking about devoting an entire core to it.) < 1299521376 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Consider that 4, 6, 8 core systems are becoming ubiquitous. 4-core, at least.) < 1299521408 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Mind you, in the context of @, it's going to be GC'ing *disk*. < 1299521413 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is going to be ... interesting ... < 1299521414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually having only one core for GC won't scale, but for the time being *shrugs* < 1299521423 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I just mean one core constantly in use :P < 1299521431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1299521440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually having only one core constantly in use for GC won't scale. < 1299521451 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Specifically, because in @, memory is just cache of disk, and both memory and disk map to artificial 64-bit address space... < 1299521460 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So GC happens at the disk level, basically. < 1299521485 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although probably 90% of GC will be done at the memory level, partial GCing of the disk does have to happen *occasionally* (preferably very spread out). < 1299521489 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like say when you run out of disk. < 1299521503 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it partially would be far preferable to scanning the whole disk, though X-D < 1299521562 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Gregor slowly backs away from the madman. < 1299521598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh* < 1299521661 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's Gregor for "slowly backs away from the madman", right? < 1299521696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1299521698 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like *eh* < 1299521742 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Define *eh* :P < 1299521786 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh* (i): An interjection meaning, roughly "I find this so unlikely to reach fruition that its details are irrelevant." < 1299521840 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hey man, I've written SEVERAL boot sectors. < 1299521848 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEVERAL. < 1299521855 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299521893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were my suggestions for polarity names? < 1299521923 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source and Antisource I think < 1299522171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION concludes that elliott needs an injection of time
< 1299522226 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wish to become a TIME JUNKIE. < 1299522245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, CLEARLY YOU NEED TO ACCELERATE THE EARTH TO RELATIVISTIC SPEEDS < 1299522422 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know Guile, so forgive me for asking, but why all the parentheses (particularly closing parentheses)? Even with my most parentheses ridden JavaScript or Python code, I've never seen so many. o.o < 1299522422 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with a text editor that highlights matching pairs of paren's/brackets with good accuracy, I would think it'd be difficult to keep track with that many." < 1299522438 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE ARE PYTHON AND JAVASCRIPT PROGRAMMERS WHO DO NOT KNOW WHAT LISP IS < 1299522441 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM GOING TO CRY NOW -> < 1299522490 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to hugbox < 1299522516 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299522525 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Bahahaha < 1299522529 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with libertarians and pretending to be confused to express their idiotic viewpoints? < 1299522531 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm confused, why should the government have any say in whatever negotiations I make with an employer?" < 1299522533 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, they do it all the time. < 1299522545 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always phrased as the innocent question borne of ignorance; the genuine confusion. < 1299522558 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LAUGHING IS NOT CRYING, THIS SITUATION CALLS FOR CRYING. < 1299522572 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused, why would you be deciding about what a libertarian should or should not be saying? < 1299522797 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299522860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299522868 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-41.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299523037 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wanna try and answer my Haskell code structure question? :-P < 1299523089 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Australia, you don't have to put .au" < 1299523131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/06/AR2011030602662.htmlhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/06/AR2011030602662.html < 1299523133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299523148 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe elliott is infecting this channel with questions about mainstream programming langs < 1299523157 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well start talking about php < 1299523187 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're really the worst elliottt < 1299523211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, my professors are the worst. < 1299523247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ? < 1299523256 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you have cheater00 on ignore < 1299523265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've never looked back. < 1299523290 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody has cheater on ignore. < 1299523293 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, that was after you dropped off the deep end! < 1299523298 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least three channel regulars (including me). < 1299523311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo doesn't, and was coming dangerously close to taking relationship advice from him. < 1299523320 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know, I was watching. < 1299523320 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: are the other two channel regulars other personalities in your head? < 1299523327 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299523361 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how cute, you'd see Sgeo have a shitty life rather than have me talk to him. < 1299523376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, I'm not going to become an asshole. < 1299523382 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thank you < 1299523397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, which is why I'm ignoring your advice < 1299523405 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i know. < 1299523411 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the world has enough assholes as it is. < 1299523412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, *please* put him on ignore. < 1299523436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to get rid of him is if oerjan comes to his senses and bans him or noöne feeds him. < 1299523453 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking about this in-channel is feeding. < 1299523456 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it to /msg. < 1299523474 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeeed meeeee < 1299523752 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: how goes the shenanigans? < 1299523758 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Totally shanny. < 1299523774 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, I think the packing stuff will work. Haven't worked on it much; have been busy integrating Guile into mcmap. < 1299523798 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... how will that help bring forth a boot-sector forth? < 1299523811 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I'm going to rewrite it in SCHEME < 1299523814 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a 10-byte Scheme runtime. < 1299524059 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299524534 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299524544 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132154.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299524734 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PAD is a catalog of the author's attempt to lift each and every item in his apartment with his dick. Nothing is spared his strength—from the furniture to the walls, from the coins in the coin jar to the cards in the card decks." --an actual book. < 1299524790 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1299524791 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good for him < 1299524807 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BEST BOOK EVER < 1299524826 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reads like a parody book description :P < 1299524844 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, a parod...ical {book description} < 1299524889 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pariodical < 1299524896 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299525638 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299526080 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb Patashu < 1299526108 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: you should be able to get on the current bf joust hill without studying extensively; Gregor (and quintopia) started out doing silly programs that only won in certain cases, and their strategies gradually evolved to what they are now < 1299526186 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299526200 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1299526202 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you parenthesize quintopia :P < 1299526244 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ISTR quintopia did slightly less stupid things than you to startwith :) < 1299526246 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*start with < 1299526264 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff :P < 1299526285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust gregor_still_does_stupid_things (>)*9([[-]]>)*21 < 1299526351 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299526380 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299526381 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_gregor_still_does_stupid_things: 17.0 < 1299526446 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299526499 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299526685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Gregor for stupid naming -----###
< 1299526702 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what happened to your naming convention? it should be masochistic_slave_gregor or something < 1299526776 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299527095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299527227 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299527481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, olsner: Come on, this was a once-off :P < 1299527601 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no excuse, you need to be careful about these things < 1299527610 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299527660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we'll kill you < 1299527663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's kill Gregor with forky knives < 1299527706 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treat him to ye olde plastic forks with serrated edges < 1299527714 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha < 1299527780 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when they display the whole episode before it happens, and/or show a recap of the previous episode, but in a way that it's not clear which it is < 1299527857 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.09: 128k+64k+32k+8k+2k+3x1k to Japan, 512k+8k to China, 2k to Cambodia, 4k to New Zealand, 2k+/32 to Australia, 512k+256k to Thailand, /32 to Pakistan. < 1299527913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i hate it when flies die. < 1299527921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr $ 128+64+32+8+2+3 < 1299527922 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\237' < 1299527929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1299527943 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no you don't, you don't care the least < 1299527952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but i do. < 1299527958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr chr chr chr chr < 1299527958 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int' < 1299527959 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type ... < 1299527974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc is the only compiler with like three error messages < 1299528000 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299528036 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299528080 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299528275 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299528465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299528554 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-184-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299528590 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299528616 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299529140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O... K... < 1299529153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUCTeX's previews have just stopped working for me. < 1299529176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get little red stop signs everywhere. < 1299529288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR FREE PREVIEW IS OVER < 1299529331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO < 1299529381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is seriously annoying. < 1299529494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a Ghostscript issue... < 1299529677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Error: /typecheck in --setfileposition--]] < 1299531029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Debian problem and noöne on #debian cares, so I'll have to grin and bear it. < 1299531105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299532166 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299532217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299532474 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299532824 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299533096 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299533175 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. If >0.35 blocks more are used by APNIC this week (there's 4 days for that), then the equivalent of whole APNIC ERX space (~1.55 blocks) has been wiped out in 2 weeks. :-/ < 1299533339 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently ERX space is 1.58 blocks or thereabouts. < 1299533459 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299533459 0 :Mannerisky!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299533616 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299533671 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299534152 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299534311 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/02/17/y-combinator/ < 1299534312 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299534686 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299534820 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299535154 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299535468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299535827 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299535995 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299536608 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299536685 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299537349 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299537384 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-133-101.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299537606 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, APNIC is going nuts. < 1299537695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1299537702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299537980 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299538004 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: why? < 1299538103 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299538119 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: See Ilari. < 1299538129 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg That is one crazy section of border. < 1299538140 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enclaves of enclaves! < 1299538201 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those crazy gales < 1299538231 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's a single town. < 1299538236 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, de jure two towns. < 1299538247 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the border *does* go right down the middle of buildings. < 1299538603 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it go right down the middle of rooms though? < 1299538608 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fun < 1299538664 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299538670 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299538675 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could put a couch right on the border < 1299538680 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sit there with a buddy < 1299538698 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be like "hey netherlands, can you reach me the potato chips" < 1299538711 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank goodness that Europe has gotten relatively sane, and so if you're entitled to be on one side of the border you're entitled to be on the other side. < 1299538740 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he'd be like "sure belgium, let me order my diplomats to do just that." < 1299538744 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think before Schegen, it could have *technically* been illegal for you to sleep on the wrong side of your own house. < 1299538747 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diploMATES. < 1299538754 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schengen < 1299538764 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ya < 1299538810 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think so because in many countries border citizens (people who live in the very vincinity of the border) are usually allowed on both sides < 1299538833 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the US! < 1299538879 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa has no borders inside it < 1299538892 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there are exceptions for those buildings that are physically on the border, allowing you to be anywhere *in the building* without going through customs. < 1299538906 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you leave through the wrong door, you're screwed. < 1299538915 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are you talking about state borders? < 1299538920 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299538920 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are customs on state borders? < 1299538923 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US-Canada border. < 1299538926 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1299538937 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's stupid but it's MORE understandable < 1299538968 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Constitution *bans* customs on state borders, IIRC. < 1299539010 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's quite a lot of stuff crossing state borders. What with there being 50 states and all... < 1299539282 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299539357 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1299539402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: The Finland/Sweden border has this thing on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M%C3%A4rket_Island_map.svg -- it's not *quite* as complex as your map though. < 1299539425 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299539446 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would like to see a fractal border.
< 1299539467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rationale for that goes approximately "whoops, we built this lighthouse on the wrong side, and now we can't change the coastline and/or the overall land area". < 1299539579 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299540843 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-193-241.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299540848 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299540943 0 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299541246 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any brainfuck variant with fork like command? < 1299541274 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking a fork and set cell to zero so the parent and child could do different things < 1299541323 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh... "Thanks for pointing this out. I never anticipated such high burn rate when I initially programmed the dashboard…" (Lagerholm about site bug report). < 1299541638 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228061116.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299541651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Brainfork. < 1299541661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfork < 1299541689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dammit i was about to type this snarky comment... < 1299541733 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ty < 1299541850 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299542100 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the beginning of this year, APNIC had (including future allocations from IANA but excluding setaside blocks) 6.18 blocks free. It is now down to 2.80 blocks (more than 50% relative depletion in little over 2 months). < 1299542667 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the LaTeX for the irrational numbers? < 1299542730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ir_rational? < 1299542761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot quite recall a frequent single symbol for those
< 1299542794 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contrasting to last years, how soon would that amount be used: 2010: July 1st. 2009: August 20th. 2008: August 5th. 2007: September 2nd. 2006: Would last entiere year. < 1299543004 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We aren't even out of 1Q2011 and already APNIC has used more addresses than the entiere 1H2010 (and that year was pretty crazy there). < 1299543167 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old saying was that APNIC uses up a block in 6 weeks. The rate now is block in 3 weeks. < 1299543320 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this rate, the depletion would be end of April, begnning of May. And the rate might very well be underestimated. < 1299545280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1299545545 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299546201 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1299546292 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299547145 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299547193 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299548578 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-133-101.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299548601 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299549088 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299549370 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299549471 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299550202 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299550542 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299550698 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299550790 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299550795 0 :klkl0000!~Madison@212.203.98.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299550821 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299550958 0 :klkl0000!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1299552517 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299553470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299553477 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299553926 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299554018 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299554495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US national motto is "In God we trust". < 1299554539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source, 36 U.S.C. § 302. < 1299554567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any opinions on how that can possibly be anything *but* a law respecting the estabilishment of religion? < 1299554571 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the law? < 1299554585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/36/302.html < 1299554585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299554621 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is simply a law of the motto. The reason for such motto would be becasuse the people who made up that law are religious. < 1299554642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that they are forbidden from doing such by a higher law. < 1299554692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also pretty shameful, when it could have been E PLVRIBVS VNVM. < 1299554695 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, do you think wikisuperosity.com 's new policy is draconian? < 1299554709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What of it? < 1299554726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's difficult for genuine new users to join < 1299554727 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do not live in United States. < 1299554767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 1st Amendment to the Consitutition of the United States. < 1299554790 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the first amendment? < 1299554812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." < 1299555012 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299555023 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see it is respecting the estabilishment of religion, but it does not prohibit free exercise, free speech, etc. There are other laws to prohibit the other things. I, howver, do not consider such motto law to be serious wrong thing because it is simply the motto and does nothing else. < 1299555042 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you are free to not use it, it is OK. < 1299555050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on all of our currency. < 1299555088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And religious people use it as justification for this being a "Christian" nation. < 1299555107 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have seen United States money, it is on there. However there are other problems with the United States currency, too, such as the ten cent coin saying "one dime" instead of "ten cents" (Canadian coins do say the amount of cents/dollars). < 1299555153 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They would have to make some statutory holidays based on some things of Christian, but then they should not call them Christian holidays in that context. < 1299555181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Sheesh < 1299555232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The only federal holiday which could be *considered* Christian is Christmas. Which, as you well know, is more a secular celebration and has been well into antiquity. < 1299555250 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do know that, too. < 1299555274 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada we have other statutory holidays based on Christian too, not only Christmas. < 1299555276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that the only thing that being a "federal holiday" means is that most federal employees get the day off. < 1299555303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but Canada is nominally ruled by a monarch with power bestowed by God. < 1299555304 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, we should do the same, that you should not consider them Christian; just say they fall on these days < 1299555346 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I also know Canada has the queen, although the queen is really the queen of England and Canada is no longer ruled directly by the queen anyways < 1299555406 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in case one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them < 1299555438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, all power in your state comes, in name, from Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. < 1299555455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas here, all power in the states comes from the just consent of the governed. < 1299555462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/states/state/ < 1299555497 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that is their title, I did not know that. I think somewhere I read an even longer title for the queen... < 1299555520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is merely the title for her in her role as Queen of Canada. < 1299555566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She possesses an *extremely* long list of titles. < 1299555638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in case one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them < 1299555658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whereas here, all power in the states comes from the just consent of the governed. < 1299555658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s/states/state/ < 1299555660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA, yeah right < 1299555679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comes from the monopoly on force. < 1299555693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do *you* consent to be governed by the current administration? < 1299555699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am discussing the legal theory under which it operates, not the realities. < 1299555707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, yeah, I know :P < 1299555718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She is Queen of 14 states, Duke of Normandy, Lord of Mann, member of every order of the various commonwealth realms, an insane number of foreign honors, a number of hard-earned degrees and military awards. < 1299555730 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the past they would have had to do it with God and religious stuff, in these days it is not necessary but the titles are kept because of tradition; still we can have separation of church and state without having to adjust these titles as long as you still have freedom of religion; Church of England can still be as long as they are not considered part of the government. < 1299555745 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :329) However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in case one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them < 1299555761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The Church of England is not merely *part* of the government. < 1299555764 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that no religious law exist. Statutory holidays are different thing because you can simply make the law saying which days of the year are statutory holiday, such as December 25, and so on. < 1299555777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Certain bishops are in the legislature, *by merit of being bishops*. < 1299555786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : She is Queen of 14 states, Duke of Normandy, Lord of Mann, member of every order of the various commonwealth realms, an insane number of foreign honors, a number of hard-earned degrees and military awards. < 1299555787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :degrees? < 1299555788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like phd? :D < 1299555795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1299555797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299555804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: honorary i presume < 1299555805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: She refuses to accept honorary degrees. < 1299555808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299555809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun :D < 1299555813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But she has 4 doctorates. < 1299555826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are they "not honorary" in that she had to do the absolute minimum required work? < 1299555858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She received them before becoming Queen. < 1299555883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She was still royal. < 1299555972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and she wasn't expected to become Queen. < 1299555984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT SHE WAS A WOMAN < 1299556051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She was 3rd in line of succession when she was born. < 1299556062 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is their gender relevant, except for the words you use that you are crowned with the title "Queen"? < 1299556090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. < 1299556096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then shit happened. < 1299557044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/net.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/afe9a2e964cffb6d# < 1299557061 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299557098 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299557113 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299557162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1299557164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The invention of Python < 1299557166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :October 1982 < 1299557166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/net.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/429e89764b656e3c# < 1299557168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Second message) < 1299557253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/net.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/1b454ad8916c2ef8# so glad this didn't catch on < 1299557673 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299557924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Jeeze* I've got some crazy-ass bufferbloat happening somewhere on this network. < 1299557942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No joke, 40ms latency to the home router. < 1299558150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's just saturating my uplink. < 1299558156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Internet* uplink. < 1299558190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 100Mbps link should not be showing bufferbloat from that load. < 1299558193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is. < 1299558207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries swapping out the switch with an old 10Mbps hub
< 1299558443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not the switch at all. < 1299558712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299558809 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299558870 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299558877 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299559318 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299559340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299559395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that switch seems to have immense trouble starting. < 1299559409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LAWL, BROADCAST PACKETS? WUT R THOSE" < 1299559803 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299560576 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299560807 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299561224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299561224 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-213.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299561907 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented some metamagic and 'patamagic feats. < 1299561918 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'patamagic? < 1299561941 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, 'patamagic is something I invented. < 1299561944 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1299561948 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to know < 1299562001 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you want to know? < 1299563172 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299563210 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How heavy is a 12 cu.ft. solid block of gold-plated lead? < 1299563321 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299563407 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299563433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest30242 < 1299563528 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I figured out its mass (and a lot of other information) on Wolfram|Alpha. < 1299563786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dips zzo38 in.. stuff... and makes gold-plated zzo38
< 1299563795 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electroplating? < 1299563913 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need gold-plated zzo38? < 1299563914 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... People are convinced that Wiccans do animal and/or human sacrifice? < 1299563980 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the basic tenant is "An it harm none, do what ye will"... < 1299564027 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that things, but many people are ignorant of things < 1299564046 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ignorant/maliciously wrong/ < 1299564130 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are wrong about Christians (including Catholics) too, not only Wiccans and Pagans. Perhaps "maliciously wrong" is what Jack Chick is... his stuff is not even logical. < 1299564201 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, Chick is quite genuine in presenting his own beliefs. < 1299564267 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he might be, but it is still illogical. < 1299564295 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not only the words, but the pictures are also inconsistent with each other.) < 1299564301 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Chick is maliciously wrong, so's every religious person, to an extent. < 1299564326 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, regarding his presentation of his own religious beliefs. < 1299564339 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He most *certainly* is maliciously wrong about almost everything else. < 1299564350 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C.S. Lewis a Satanist? Wut?) < 1299564374 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, is what I meant, I meant maliciously wrong about everything else. < 1299565670 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299565988 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299565993 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-239-188.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299566921 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-86.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299566933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299567001 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299568503 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to printout the TeX logo in Wikipedia but it won't let me. < 1299568690 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a SVG file, I can use that. < 1299568751 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299568752 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299570416 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has some technical difficulties now < 1299571199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299571200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299571726 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1299571736 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got a captcha from a maths book < 1299571748 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's A with the subscript ij < 1299571759 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth would i enter that :) < 1299571764 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1299571773 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i entered A_ij < 1299572795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've put in A_{ij} instead, but that's just me. < 1299572817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reCAPTCHA does pull in math from time to time. And also non-latin scripts. < 1299572873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have put "Aij" there since it is probably how most people would have filled it in. However there was one Greek text once, I tried to do the best I could by selecting the Greek letters from the character map. < 1299572897 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it did accept that.) < 1299572917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These three are all from reCAPTCHA: http://zem.fi/~fis/faircaptcha.png < 1299572958 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a commenting thing somewhere-or-other and I didn't have anything to say, so I didn't try filling those.) < 1299573023 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299573067 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect those will get thrown out because too many people who get the other word of the pair right get those wrong. < 1299573090 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. thrown out before being used to block access...) < 1299573099 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the Greek one. < 1299573349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In ScienceSLAM each participant has 10 minutes to present their research topic to the critical audience and win their support. The form of presentation is free and can range from a more traditional talk to a dance choreography or a self-composed song. But watch out, an entertaining and informative performance is at least as important as pure scientific value! Everything is allowed to win the hearts of the crowd. And it is them to choose the hero of the night, < 1299573349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the winner of ScienceSLAM!" < 1299573352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What." < 1299573808 0 :mariolone!~mariolone@151.22.69.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299573808 0 :mariolone!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299574337 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299574390 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ScienceSLAM does seem strange thing, but they can do that if they want to. < 1299574446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, there's no actual prize: the winner... wins, but that's it. < 1299574490 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess that is good enough. I sometimes do things and win without expecting to win a prize. < 1299574502 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably other people do, too. < 1299576651 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299576657 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g229028050.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299577497 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://technabob.com/blog/2009/06/08/combimouse-if-it-aint-broke-break-it/ < 1299578692 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299578909 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299578910 0 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299580094 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1299580117 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookit tyhat thing < 1299580522 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299582014 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, you lose. < 1299582465 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299582487 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181137186.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299583617 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299585205 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299585207 0 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1299585234 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299585235 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299585235 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299585235 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299585235 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299585235 0 :aloril_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299585235 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299585564 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299585564 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299585564 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299585564 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299585564 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299585564 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299585564 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299586074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299586138 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299586141 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-42.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299586267 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299586921 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299587725 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299587818 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299588344 0 :Guest30242!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1299589004 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1299590903 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299591089 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299591736 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299592014 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299592735 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299592924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299592994 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299593275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299593289 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299593426 0 :aloril_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299593584 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299594247 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299594814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust waterfall3 http://sprunge.us/QVGQ < 1299594818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, trivial clone of waterfall3! < 1299594936 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299594951 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_waterfall3: 56.9 < 1299596045 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299596313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299596349 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-204-75.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299596600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299596753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299596899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299597229 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-121.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299597775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299597832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/fanart/in-soviet-russia.png < 1299597834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299598051 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299598295 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 38x256(???)+32k+256k+/48 to Australia, 16k to Japan, 2k+256+/48 to India, 64k to China, 256 to Pakistan, 512+/32 to Indonesia, 8k to Taiwan. < 1299598313 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess most of those 38 /24s to AU were for reachability testing. < 1299598710 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299598711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299598844 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299598913 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: what is reachability testing? < 1299598915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs today were so boring. < 1299598919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so disappointed. < 1299598985 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, quality-testing the newly-allocated blocks. How largely BGP annoucements for those propagate and how much junk traffict those blocks have. < 1299599036 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you keeping this record? < 1299599235 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299599240 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228222.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299599276 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299600400 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299601400 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299602406 0 :Vanny!Ace@14.195.12.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299602429 0 :Vanny!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299603147 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299603398 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-184.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299603895 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299604241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a9wWRxYSko < 1299604325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian is irrelevant, ZDNet confirms it. < 1299604337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: o god < 1299604367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The rattling makes it bearable! < 1299604498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, the default Debian distributions won’t include any proprietary firmware binary files. While that will be popular with die-hard free software fans, users who just want to use their Wi-Fi hardware and to get the most from their graphics cards won’t be happy." < 1299604500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the worst article ever. < 1299604777 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299604901 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181130202.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299605229 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299605618 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-25.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299605618 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299605860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can't watch now, qu� es? < 1299605917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Pachalbel's Canon on 4 music boxes and 2 tapes. < 1299605924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which is a small loop. < 1299605971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, if only Pachelbel's Canon wasn't SATAN'S MUSIC. < 1299606589 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299606655 0 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1299606688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that's why I linked you it. < 1299607076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299607903 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299608323 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299608696 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299609322 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if BSD has something similar to GNU's backtrace(3) ... < 1299609491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC has builtins for getting stack traces, but I'm not sure if it supported symbol extraction. Perhaps not. < 1299609518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my case I actually don't care about symbol extraction since most of the backtrace is functions I built at runtime :P < 1299609682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__builtin_return_address takes a "level" parameter and looks that many levs up the stack. < 1299609698 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299609850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On some machines it may be impossible to determine the return address of any function other than the current one; in such cases, or when the top of the stack has been reached, this function will return 0 or a random value." < 1299609864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very friendly function. < 1299609871 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those machines suck and are boring. < 1299609871 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially that last bit. < 1299610034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. < 1299610051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Psht, I'm trying to stay strictly GNU C99-conformant in mcmap! < 1299610068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes not assuming that any pointer can fit into a pointer of any other type :P < 1299610071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only (void *).) < 1299610091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have it marked as a bug that I assume a SCM object can fit inside a (void *), even though not doing so would make passing SCM arguments around SO SLOW. < 1299610096 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uhh, talkin' about something totally unrelated here. < 1299610099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even despite the fact that Guile's internal architecture assumes that. < 1299610100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know. < 1299610106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm saying that your rabid standards incompliance SICKENS me. < 1299610110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With its CONVENIENCE. < 1299610112 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You realize of course I write almost all C code to compile with -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic :P < 1299610138 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And although I would be willing to use backtrace(3), I would conditionalize it on the appropriate support and autoconf it to detect. < 1299610139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was about to ask why not C99, but OH YEAH, there's no full C99 compilers out there! < 1299610142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe one or two. < 1299610168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ah! Autoconf! So that all your portability effort is worth naught on any machine that isn't at least vaguely GNU-or-modern-Unix and has a shell. :p < 1299610170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*autoconf! < 1299610176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose you could write your own Makefile for the rest.) < 1299610199 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to be clear, all my portability effort is for naught if I run it on ... OS/2? < 1299610205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should write K&R-compliant code instead; after all, there's that compiler C-INTERCAL works with, that compiles K&R C to 16-bit real mode code. < 1299610227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, uh, last I checked Windows doesn't have a shell. (OK, you can get a native bash/zsh for Windows, but I've never been able to run a configure with those + GNU ports.) < 1299610239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin hardly counts, since it can't really create a Makefile that compiles with a native compiler. < 1299610246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH SOFTWARE is ported that way to Windows. < 1299610247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH < 1299610255 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But elliott's too lazy, therefore it doesn't work. < 1299610260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What way? < 1299610272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: By **native** port, I mean **native**. < 1299610275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, no cygwin DLL or similar. < 1299610276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I < 1299610281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MingW == native < 1299610287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MSYS != native < 1299610290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSYS = fork of old cygwin < 1299610293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSYS = sh, make < 1299610297 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? That's just compile-time. < 1299610307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's also a (pseudo-)GNU. < 1299610313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1299610318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you still can't compile it on a non-pseudo-GNU-or-modern-Unix system. < 1299610327 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not even vaguely true. < 1299610328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is, write a configure.c. < 1299610334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ORLY? < 1299610337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto* work on fucking SunOS 2.6 < 1299610342 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HP-UX. < 1299610344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's "modern" Unix. < 1299610345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing works on HP-UX :P < 1299610375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6 came out before February 1986; modern. < 1299610386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299610405 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're using a version of Unix that's older than I am, there will be NO portable build solution that works both there and on modern systems. < 1299610415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like I said, configure.c. < 1299610418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you have any recollection of the fact that I worked for years at Intel doing builds of F/OSS software across various unixen on various architectures? We PRAYED for autoconf. < 1299610427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You realise I'm basically trolling you? < 1299610431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299610435 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly. < 1299610435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reference, 7th Edition Unix is not modern. < 1299610439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, inaccurately :P < 1299610440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8th Edition is (it's just a modified BSD). < 1299610463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you coded in K&R C and had a configure.c script, you could easily work on both V7 Unix and modern-day Linux. < 1299610472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"script" < 1299610474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program. < 1299610498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I could easily work on exactly those two platforms :P < 1299610504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I could add support for one more platform at a time! < 1299610505 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEE HAW < 1299610527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you write portable code, you will not require many checks at all. :p < 1299610548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And you can cut out all the broken-sh-workarounds in configure. < 1299610552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead you get broken-libc-workarounds. < 1299610566 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299610569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yay? :P < 1299610589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yay. < 1299610891 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299611854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299611880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299611910 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299612006 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299612006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299613106 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The great thing about #!/usr/bin/env is that even though #! only allows binaries, /usr/bin/env lets you use scripts as the interpreters for scripts. < 1299613120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With #!/usr/bin/env, it's turtles all the way down. < 1299613124 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except not) < 1299613254 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The great thing about #!/usr/bin/env is that WHY DOESN'T UNIX ALLOW MORE THAN ONE ARGUMENT < 1299613264 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, that's very annoying ... < 1299613265 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env some-interp --behave-sanely --disable-breakage < 1299613271 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a #!/usr/bin/args :P < 1299613281 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Except that Unices can chop it after like 15 chars, I think :P < 1299613289 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturalismo :P < 1299613292 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: At least with #!/usr/bin/perl you can stick a "-w" after; admittedly most languages are unbroken enough to let you do it directly. < 1299613298 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more than once I have had to use a fugly #!/bin/sh polyglot. < 1299613303 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then promptly shot myself. < 1299613322 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env perl\nuse strict;\nuse warnings;\n :P < 1299613339 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO UGLY < 1299613349 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NOSE ITS AWESOME < 1299613362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299613374 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-107.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299613585 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299614289 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299614352 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299614498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299614905 0 :mycrofti1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mycroftiv < 1299615091 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299615104 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299615122 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299615290 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299615334 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299615505 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1299615810 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299615811 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299615811 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299616041 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299616073 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299616190 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1299616225 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299616343 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299616364 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299617358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299617367 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299617382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299617635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned how much describing 2 as the "only even prime" annoys me. < 1299617765 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299617774 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why? < 1299617785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's such a stupidly trivial property. < 1299617802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1299617818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, yes, its own primality guarantees it to be the only even prime, but that doesn't make it untrue :P < 1299617856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but there are so many more interesting properties of numbers that it cheapens the rest. < 1299617955 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299618162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lol < 1299618189 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, WHAT DO YOU KNOW YOU WORKED FOR MICROSOFT < 1299618246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299618248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1299618814 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299619109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait, what do you actually specialise in? < 1299619164 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PL, or do you want more specific than that? < 1299619170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PL? < 1299619179 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming languages. < 1299619203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you take at university? < 1299619210 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... CS. < 1299619217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR ABILITY TO OPINE ON MATHEMATICS HANGS IN THE BALANCE < 1299619226 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're a grad student, CS is no longer a "specialty" :P < 1299619242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gathered. < 1299619256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If done properly, CS is a form of math degree, so hey. < 1299619297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, yes, but it's still a (broad) specialisation. < 1299619302 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299619331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And depressingly few places do it properly, as APT Guy shows.) < 1299619376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299619416 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299619491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APT Guy is a guy at my school who is involved at a rather hazy (but probably low) level with Ubuntu; he is pretty awful at maths, having failed the qualification you do in 5th year, and has an offer to go to Strathclyde (current home of Epigram, no less) conditional on him getting a C on his second attempt. < 1299619502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also hates functional programming. < 1299619511 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299619512 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230230204.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299619512 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shock* < 1299619544 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strathclyde *appeared* to be one of the places that did it properly. < 1299619593 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299620084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "1" :: Double < 1299620085 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1299620465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why? < 1299620645 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299620725 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xqz < 1299621076 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299621222 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1299621223 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299621224 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299621244 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299621327 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299621328 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299621337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear to god this thing is less stable than recent Windowses. < 1299621343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLOSING MINECRAFT CRASHES X < 1299621427 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299621467 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol X < 1299621498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I swear they're deliberately trying to make X worse. < 1299621503 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is X? < 1299621507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: X11. < 1299621510 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought you guys would be above playing minecraft :p < 1299621512 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possible joke???) < 1299621516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a big, big program that does nothing at all for you. < 1299621519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The X Windowing System, Version 11. < 1299621523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: #esoteric-minecraft :-P < 1299621525 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an evil plot from the X maintainers to make wayland take over faster so they don't have to maintain the shit anymore < 1299621526 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1299621530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, the thing which displays windows and stuff on basically all the Unix systems. < 1299621539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *fails to display < 1299621545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA a program that exists to get in between programs and devices for no reason. < 1299621546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: brilliant < 1299621548 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1299621564 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "evil" plot < 1299621572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though until recently it had effectively all the drivers for the GUI. < 1299621579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe i'll just use the console until wayland takes over. < 1299621596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll switch to Windows :P < 1299621690 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299621700 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch to wayland, then use X-on-wayland for compatibility? < 1299621716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: compatibility: with everything, i.e. X will still own me < 1299621728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just boot into OS X, except everything else about OS X sucks < 1299621772 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how the X-on-wayland stuff works, but if there's either a separate "X server" for each program, or it's just libX pretending to talk to a server, you'd only crash the program itself and nothing else < 1299621804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. bet wayland is quite buggy right now though :) < 1299621805 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems a bit more likely that the thing that exists is a single X server that has all the X windows and puts them all on wayland < 1299621815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's a rootless X server, as on OS X. < 1299621833 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, i.e. you'd be just as screwed when it crashes < 1299621835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I know! I'll run a Windows VM with a Windows X server on it, and X-forward-via-ssh all my Linux programs there < 1299621845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to make virtualbox output to a framebuffer < 1299621986 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299622035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, why? <-- i was just checking that the read function doesn't require a decimal point in the input for Doubles < 1299622045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299622049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why would it? < 1299622091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becauase < 1299622093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because < 1299622096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show (1 :: Double) < 1299622097 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1.0" < 1299622107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since "1" is valid syntax for a Double, it should read like that too < 1299622263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Read and Show don't attempt to be completely compatible with all haskell syntax you'd use in a program < 1299622314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day we noted it ignores associativity of operator constructors in data types < 1299622353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the main real requirement is that what show outputs should be parsable by read < 1299622409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter... < 1299622415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show (1/0) < 1299622416 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Infinity" < 1299622439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity is _not_ a legal Double value as a haskell expression < 1299622540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's a bug. < 1299622549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IMO, at least < 1299622551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the other day we noted it ignores associativity of operator constructors in data types < 1299622556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it produces valid output anyway < 1299622558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just inefficient output < 1299622569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd have that output infinity and have < 1299622569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: except the haskell standard _has_ no portable expression for infinity < 1299622573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity :: Whatever a => a < 1299622574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity = 1/0 < 1299622589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well then I'd do it the Scheme way, have invalid expressions show specially < 1299622591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. #Infinity < 1299622717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have used "(1/0)", perhaps < 1299622777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow my impression is Read is discouraged for "real" parsing < 1299622786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inefficient etc.) < 1299622892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who cares about efficiency, this is about purity! < 1299622912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, 1/0 would be nice because it's valid in exactly the places the input is < 1299623007 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inefficient? that can all be optimized away! < 1299623041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 applications are supported through an X server, optionally rootless, running as Wayland client, although currently it only supports Intel X.org drivers.[21] < 1299623045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use Wayland then :) < 1299623052 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299623056 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 is complex infinity because you don't know if it's positive or negative < 1299623060 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it just 'infinity' is a loss of information < 1299623076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1299623079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Lern2floatingpoint < 1299623107 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehu < 1299623111 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299623117 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the real answer is 'you'll never need that information ever' < 1299623117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SWAT THE TROLL < 1299623119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299623126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: that's not necessarily true < 1299623131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Patashu -----###
< 1299623131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider interval notation < 1299623141 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299623142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1/0,42]! < 1299623145 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo, interval notation < 1299623146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares for swattage
< 1299623153 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299623170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1299623227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: implicit admission that you used 1/0 to stand for an infinity in interval notation in your phd thesis! < 1299623231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299623234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND BECAUSE OF THAT ONE AMBIGUITY OF SIGN < 1299623234 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1299623240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR WORK'S INHERENT FALLACIOUSNESS WENT UNDISCOVERED FOR ALL THESE YEARS < 1299623246 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait I know how to solve this < 1299623248 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need -0 and +0 < 1299623249 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1299623254 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nullity < 1299623265 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299623265 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oerjan's INHERENT FALLACIOUSNESS < 1299623268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doubtful, i'd have used \infty (iirc) < 1299623277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that's positive infinity! maybe! < 1299623387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i'm thinking that if you use the one point compactification of the real line, there's only one, and you get a circle, and if you interpret intervals as alway going the same way around the circle, the notation makes sense. also [2, 0] becomes everything >= 2 _or_ <= 0. < 1299623397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*always < 1299623400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha, nice try. < 1299623406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your degree is as good as revoked. < 1299623414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott -----###
< 1299623445 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you loop through infinity and come around the other side < 1299623450 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with negative temperatures? < 1299623451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299623479 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299623487 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299623502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks the interval exchange systems article in his thesis _might_ be sort of close to this, vaguely
< 1299623520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts writing Ørjan Johansen: Fraud, or Nazi?
< 1299623527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be published in a mathematical journal near you < 1299623607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you that is sort of identifying 0 and 1, not -infinity and infinity. or rather, we ended up splitting points _up_ a lot, and 0 and 1 becomes a split pair < 1299623732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume no one's interested in hearing about KT-AT? < 1299623773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interested in a morbid way, yes. < 1299623786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She clarified that we're just friends. < 1299623803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re-clarified, I guess < 1299623813 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, now go and be creepy to someone who isn't an idiot. < 1299623932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I'm downgrading by talking to Other < 1299623958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean computer idiot? < 1299624000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you just especially attracted to idiots or something? < 1299624020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ARE THEY THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL INDULGE YOUR SICK BLOOD FURRY FETISH) < 1299624049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are you just especially attracted to idiots or something? < 1299624058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think there's anyone who's NOT an idiot at his ""college""? < 1299624065 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, nice terms for the (rented) cable modems of the local cable TV/ISP hybrid: if you "replace the firmware" (which I think includes also firmware upgrades from the manufacturer, not just third-party hacks) you're responsible for paying the operator the full purchase price. (Apparently because the device is permantently "tainted" after that, and unfit for any purpose.) < 1299624068 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other does not go to this college < 1299624070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1299624086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Even if wiped. < 1299624091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will always have the mark. < 1299624093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WATER MEMORY. < 1299624098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of like rape, except... firmware! < 1299624111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: CIRCUIT MEMORY; it's what SSDs are based on. < 1299624115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE FACTS. < 1299624137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the conductors remember every signal that has ever passed through them. That's how homeopathy works. < 1299624146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1299624153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299624166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's electric water. < 1299624404 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, I heard homeopathy worked through nanobottery < 1299624407 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently, at least < 1299624450 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pro-homeopathy people keep changing their explanation to whatever sciencey thing is not properly understood enough by enough people, so I never keep up < 1299624542 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299624658 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299624733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299624760 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299625288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, VirtualBox is non-deterministic. < 1299625513 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it this is not the usual use of "non-deterministic" as found in complexity science and discussions of automata and such? < 1299625569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: No, it's the usual engineering sense. < 1299625576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is related, admittedly :P < 1299625579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm using it in a broad sense. < 1299625582 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :engineering :| < 1299625587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software engineering. < 1299625590 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh < 1299625608 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of all people writing comp.sci. bachelor's theses at my uni currently < 1299625613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed an OS and now I can't reinstall it, getting the same error each time, with completely separate VMs :P < 1299625620 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the only one writing a theoretical thesis :| < 1299625621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it updated and I just didn't notice, though.) < 1299625626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: SHAMEFUL. < 1299625637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Transfer immediately. < 1299625651 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my school! < 1299625664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is r/shittyadvice, right? < 1299625674 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bachelor's theses tend to be fairly nontheoretical at least around here. < 1299625691 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bachelor's ... theses ... < 1299625703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HE HAS SO MANY OF THEM. < 1299625706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO. MANY. < 1299625713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's correct, though. < 1299625719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bachelor's thesis)s -> Bachelor's theses. < 1299625721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I was referring to. < 1299625728 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pluralization is clearly fine. < 1299625729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What then < 1299625734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*refering < 1299625740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notion of a thesis for a bachelor's degree. < 1299625746 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *referring < 1299625757 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Apache < 1299625762 0 :Apache!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1299625771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ha ha, America! < 1299625772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1299625777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's not an Apache bug, it's an HTTP bug. < 1299625778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course Apache woulf be registered < 1299625781 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: unless master's theses, these don't contain any theoretical advances, they're just .. summaries of some topic < 1299625782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1299625786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *Roy_Fielding < 1299625791 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not terribly advanced stuff < 1299625809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was actually Phillip Hallam-Baker, but that's boring.) < 1299625825 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider trying to summarize why relativization doesn't cut it for the P=?NP problem < 1299625827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apavhe came to mind as some radnom web thing < 1299625830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: *unlike < 1299625843 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, brainfart < 1299625843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha, you silly illiterate product of inbreeding. Wait what? < 1299625853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Swedish and Finnish at the same time; twice as bad. < 1299625860 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, worst kind < 1299625864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No drives were found." Well that's a new one. < 1299625953 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299625998 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299626149 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299626239 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "No drives were found." Well that's a new one. <-- where is that from? < 1299626264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Windows 7 installer. Why I'm installing it in a VM, I'm not sure. Why it isn't working, I'm even less sure. < 1299626280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, dammit, I can't let any problem go unresolved. < 1299626284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including cancer. < 1299626309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I managed to install windows 7 pro in virtualbox. 64-bit. < 1299626323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was some time ago though < 1299626327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm trying Ultimate (pirated of course) 64-bit ... and this worked just days/weeks ago. < 1299626333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinkin' some VirtualBox update broke compatibility. < 1299626338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you'd think they'd test this stuff. < 1299626341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The old VM still /boots/>0 < 1299626343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/boots/.) < 1299626357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I think mine is RTM. Since I got it from MSDNAA before windows 7 was available in the stores. < 1299626361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, still 3.2.8; I think that's what I had before. And this is stable Ubuntu so they wouldn't really update. < 1299626363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How confusing. < 1299626377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think I have the release candidate on some drive somewhere. :p < 1299626384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But the whole Internet got access to that.) < 1299626388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, RC != RTM < 1299626390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1299626452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still the same error past the first bootup. < 1299626458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xc0000225. < 1299626460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gugls
< 1299626499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That error code is often due to the BIOS not being recognised as fully ACPI < 1299626499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatible. Do you have the latest BIOS update on the laptop?" < 1299626500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299626533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think this problem may be associated with APIC (Advanced Programmable < 1299626533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interrupt Controller, not ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power < 1299626533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interface)." < 1299626534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm-hm. < 1299626545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently enabling APIC might help, but that's strange because I did not enable it in the other VM... < 1299626885 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299627179 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299627211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did indeed work. < 1299627333 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299627371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ x = {valueOf: function () { fire_ze_missiles(); return 42; }}; y = 69; /* now var z=0; for(i=0;i js> var x = {valueOf: function() { this.acc++; return 42; }, acc: 0}; var z = false; if (x == 42) z = true; [x.acc, z] < 1299627618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: [1,true] < 1299627625 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, it triggers for == < 1299627631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, for math *shrugs* < 1299627691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What about array indexing. Ohwait, forgot you don't have arrays. < 1299627698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ your language is a language that is a toy language < 1299627716 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... uhh, yeah, JS has arrays, it just doesn't have a uniquely array indexing operator. < 1299627741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, since the index has to be a primitive, I suspect that'd valueOf too. < 1299627760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... uhh, yeah, JS has arrays, it just doesn't have a uniquely array indexing operator. < 1299627764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it has objects that pretend to be arrays. :p < 1299627779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By being half-array, half-monstrosity.) < 1299627796 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeaaaaaaaaaah, OK. < 1299627807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care not for your trollery. < 1299627821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: >:) < 1299627834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, JS is a terrible language. < 1299627844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost as bad as Italian or your mom. < 1299627902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pours elliott a cup of Objective-J
< 1299627974 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1299628542 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throw the DOM and various DOM incompatiblities on top and it is even worse. :-) < 1299628806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Now you'll get Gregor started. < 1299628815 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't defend the DOM. < 1299628829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, but you do defend JS as being separate from the DOM :P < 1299628831 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DOM is a mess of incompatible garbage thrown in from a bunch of different places with incompatible APIs. < 1299628840 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, because it is? < 1299628856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Ilari LINKED THE TWO < 1299628859 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299628889 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't things like jQuery supposed to paper over the DOM? < 1299629129 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anyway to put collapsible spoilers into the wiki? < 1299629171 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ais's explanation of waterfall3 is almost as long as the program it describes. < 1299629185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, it's called a scrollbar < 1299629193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his explanation is valuable, no need to compact it < 1299629209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299629212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs more formatting though. < 1299629213 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen. i need a way to compact that wall of text < 1299629215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like paragraph breaks. < 1299629219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add paragraph breaks < 1299629223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it has them but the formatting is breaking them < 1299629226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily fixable < 1299629240 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like an entire article's worth of info :/ < 1299629244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not. < 1299629246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a few paragrahs < 1299629248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*paragraphs < 1299629249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read a book :P < 1299629255 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some articles are only a few paragraphs < 1299629273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed the paragraph breaks. could do with a bit more, but that's ais' job < 1299629285 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299629290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes about 1s to scroll past it with a scroll wheel, dude :P < 1299629292 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if every program that goes on that page from now on has that much description :/ < 1299629304 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a SLIPPERY SLOPE MAN < 1299629306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that will only apply if every program that gets added is that complex < 1299629312 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY < 1299629312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, a long description is warranted < 1299629320 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is bound to happen :P < 1299629333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we get like five programs with longcat-is-long descriptions after another, we can make them all spoiler-type things if possible, or separate articles < 1299629338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for now I hardly think it matters :P < 1299629345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais isn't exactly known for his concision, though :) < 1299629346 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feyn < 1299629360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do that, i mentally pronounced feyn as feign < 1299629371 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :richard feignman? < 1299629377 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doesn't have the right feel < 1299629387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299629399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, i clicked the trace link for waterfall3 < 1299629400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loaded instantly < 1299629408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1299629411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the animation is really slow though < 1299629414 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299629416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the warning is useful then :P < 1299629418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1299629422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser hates me with that page open < 1299629429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO MAKE THE TRACE SCROLLABLE < 1299629459 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029244.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299629501 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be down with moving the list of major programs to its own article. There's no doubt that that section is as long as the rest of the article and is only going to get longer. < 1299629514 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1299629590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: btw so far your new page organisation has driven one person to ask in here what on earth the winning condition _is_ >:D. shouldn't mention that, i promised to rewrite it after all. < 1299629618 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes you did. but you seem to be far too lazy. < 1299629652 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, that person must have been stupid, considering how blatantly i spelled out the winning condition) < 1299629656 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299629670 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299629676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: blatantly, but when you Emphasise Absolutely Everything, you emphasise nothing and it gets lost in noise < 1299629683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it was http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:calamari < 1299629712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Jeffry_Johnston is maybe a better link < 1299629873 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i didn't know that anything in particular needed to be emphasized over anything else, so i just organized it the same way a manual for a board game would organize it, and emphasized nothing. < 1299629953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, you "blatantly spelled" everything out :P < 1299629965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Gregor ever implement the fixed-point scoring? < 1299629974 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1299629994 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not < 1299630008 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top scorer would no longer be in the 50-60% range < 1299630082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you do it :P < 1299630141 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299630162 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299630198 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1299630243 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know which code to edit or how to get eigenvectors in C < 1299630320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :report.c < 1299630328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: btw, I strongly disagree that it's most useful to consider the tape to have negative numbers < 1299630338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that interpretation extremely unintuitive < 1299630387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299630414 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you think it should be a setting in egojsout to have the tape at the bottom and all the decoys above the line? < 1299630460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, that's how *I* would have done it. but: < 1299630467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's OK for visualisation < 1299630473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never think about the tape that way, and I don't think most people do either < 1299630487 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interest < 1299630490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see "negative" values in egojsout either, anyway, it's just an arbitrary division from my POV < 1299630491 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-109.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299630499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I don't really think the animations are *that* useful < 1299630511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the traces are visual enough while providing information useful to /fix/ your program) < 1299630527 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1299630532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then that's from the perspective of a cheating little single-target author :P) < 1299630535 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just find it easier to think about it as "distance from zero" since settign something to zero is the goal < 1299630542 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys. The craziest thing happened to me today. < 1299630548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's true. < 1299630555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster_: You... gave birth? < 1299630593 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an essay in English class. For fun, I passed the essay through a Markov text generator and printed it. < 1299630610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then submitted it. < 1299630611 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I showed the essay to my teacher. < 1299630611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And got an A. < 1299630613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say yes. < 1299630650 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She looked at it for 10 minuotes, read it all, and told me it was a 'really great essay.' < 1299630666 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And she wasnt joking. < 1299630682 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe she's not a native English speaker... < 1299630688 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i read it? < 1299630705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^techncailyly irrelevant < 1299630718 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299630726 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its at my sxhool computer, ill pastebin it tomorrow < 1299630731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I’m going to sound like a dick for saying this, but I really wish I’d registered elliott when I had the chance. Then I could be even more of a dick now and just ghost him. <,< < 1299630742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM THE BEST ELLIOTT. < 1299630892 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An exerpt from the printed essay: Napoleon was sucsessful in Spain touched on these honorable or corrupt and made his brother Europe. He improved cheap food, drinks, establishing stop his life was promoted the Hôtel des Invalides. < 1299630912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~megacz/coq-in-ghc/HelloWorld.pdf < 1299630924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster_: That's basically the best two sentences ever written in the English language right there. < 1299630933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially "sucsessful", though that one was probably your innovation :P < 1299630966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A proof that main = putStrLn "Hello, world!" (or similar) is well-typed, in natural deduction style. < 1299630968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: FEAR < 1299630971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~megacz/coq-in-ghc/) < 1299631070 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another one: After his departure tge Peninsular leader- Honor, Courage, and Honor, Courage and honorable leader- Honor, could be charmless. < 1299631097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, the famous tge Peninsular leader, whose motto was Honor, Courage, and Honor, Courage. < 1299631148 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famous but charmless. < 1299631179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster_: No no no, that was his honorable leader, Honor. < 1299631183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honor could be charmless, but usually chose not to. < 1299631240 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ the first quote: HAVE YOU TURNED A SIBLING INTO ANY CONTINITES LATELY? < 1299631286 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*continents < 1299631315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Absolutely. < 1299631343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite interesting that we're all (well, OK, a good portion of this channel is) living in Napoleon's brother. < 1299631355 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother Jerry is Asia now. < 1299631370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this channel is actually predominantly European... the idlers must throw off the stats a bit. < 1299631382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then three very-regulars are American, so maybe the idlers are the key to European purity. < 1299631494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but beginning my fear is a very Siney thing to do! < 1299631617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so what will you do if the eigenvector isn't unique *MWAHAHAHA* < 1299631652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not very likely, but...) < 1299631654 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's been taking "Lose Your Marbles" too seriously < 1299631660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[I loved that game once] < 1299631669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: never heard of it < 1299631752 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not possible i think < 1299631796 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299631808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if the warriors divide into two blocks that always draw against each other >:) < 1299631814 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the transition function is aperiodic. pretty sure that it's also irreducible since every program plays every other program < 1299631840 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make two non-communicating classes though? < 1299631847 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it does < 1299631861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was my impression that it would < 1299631865 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1299631961 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be modified slightly so that draws are a benefit to the underdog, and that would remove that possibility. however, i'm willing to gamble on the vanishingly small odds that that would happen. < 1299631973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299632064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case anyone cares, this is probably the fourth time Other has asked me "Who are you?" < 1299632204 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sounds auspicious < 1299632297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION keeps thinking of The Other from Girl Genius
< 1299632301 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually, i think it already does that. if they draw, each program pays half 1/n of its score to the other. thus, if the two blocks always tie, they are still completely interconnected. so yeah, that wouldn't ever happen. the eigenvector is unique. < 1299632310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be glad she doesn't squish you like the bug you are < 1299632353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not an error! < 1299632366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um i thought it said no points were exchanged in the case of a draw < 1299632445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't actually help paying both ways if the actual matrix entry ends up 0 < 1299632474 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ohhhh, you're saying that EVERY SINGLE ROUND of EVERY MATCH between the two classes is a draw < 1299632483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The Other would consider you one < 1299632484 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you just meant every match was a draw < 1299632496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other is a terrible name. I deem her to be TA-TK, That Alluded-To Kitty-kat. < 1299632496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah every round. i didn't say this was likely :D < 1299632507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KT-AT 2: Electric Boogaloo is also acceptable. < 1299632650 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299632698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it would happen if a warrior is submitted twice, wouldn't it? still doesn't turn the entire matrix into two blocks, though < 1299632722 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wouldn't averaging together all the eigenvalues take care of it? < 1299632734 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vectors < 1299632750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah but which average do you take < 1299632759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eigenvalues? < 1299632793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: quintopia's matrix-based BF Joust scoring system < 1299632805 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the scores don't have to make sense man! as long as the final leaderboard shows the top warrior of each class as outranking all the other warriors in the same class, i call it a success < 1299632827 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and so on down the line, of course) < 1299632861 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a straight mean of the 1-valued eigenvectors would get you that < 1299632919 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is to say, the mean of the basis of the 1-valued eigenspace) < 1299633022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Design overview of the Tunes Migration Subproject: "Modules are migrated according to heuristics. These heuristics are computed according to static and dynamic feedback." < 1299633026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that explains it. < 1299633070 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Tunes was dead? < 1299633098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just very, very static < 1299633151 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it took you way too long to notice i didn't sign the scoring post btw. i realized i didn't sign it like 30 minutes after i posted it, but it took you half a month :P < 1299633166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: perhaps you could weight each eigenvector according to its number of non-0 coordinates < 1299633173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299633198 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299633310 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299633333 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so that the champion of the larger class gets more credit? what if the largest class is one mediocre program and a bunch of shitty programs designed to lose to it but draw with every other program? < 1299633344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299633349 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if both classes are that? < 1299633356 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if all the programs are shitty? < 1299633363 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if all the programs are shudder? < 1299633370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's just that i think that is closest to your description of "assign equal points to all warriors, then iterate" < 1299633393 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is < 1299633413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails if there's a warrior that always loses, though, since its coordinate would get 0 always < 1299633428 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299633446 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the example i described < 1299633459 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where both classes have only 1 good program < 1299633468 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both have exactly 1 non-0 coordinate < 1299633512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you could say that if a warrior always loses, you should simply throw it out completely < 1299633541 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what we do anyway, isn't? that's how suiciding-as-deleting is made to work < 1299633543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then that weighting gives the result, i think < 1299633548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tunes critique of Scheme is fun < 1299633551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calls it too low-level :) < 1299633569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : however you could say that if a warrior always loses, you should simply throw it out completely < 1299633569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that is what we do anyway, isn't? that's how suiciding-as-deleting is made to work < 1299633570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299633574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only happens on the _next_ submit < 1299633580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because whenever a program is added, the bottom one is thrown off < 1299633585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < always goes to the bottom < 1299633619 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then how do we get less than the maximum number of programs on the hill? i think all suiciders get deleted after their score is posted < 1299633634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we don't, usually < 1299633635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Gregor < 1299633643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: check report.txt in some seconds: < 1299633652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust WHOAAAAAA_IM_STILL_ALIVE_YEAAAAAH < < 1299633661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: maybe if there's a tie for the bottom? < 1299633669 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah maybe < 1299633678 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same difference for what we're considering though < 1299633689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah throwing out all 0 would be that too < 1299633711 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hill always adds new warriors, then reports the result, THEN throws away any low ranking adversaries. < 1299633714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot? < 1299633717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh. weird. < 1299633720 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you write the leaderboard, you put all the zeroes at the bottom in whatever order. < 1299633723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why that order :P < 1299633769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: accountability? < 1299633781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1299633784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have immediate losers at least registered that way < 1299633822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the report will have "more" than the limit whenever new ones are added. < 1299633822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not really more, since I already kicked them off, they're just putzing around 'til somebody touches it again :P ) < 1299633837 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So that you can always at least be shown on the report :P < 1299633845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it may seem like nothing even happened if you add a shitty competitor. < 1299633863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It'll make sense once you get the absolutely-fucking-terrible result back :P < 1299633870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "any low ranking adversaries" -- what definition of low ranking? < 1299633895 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do you know which is the most standard library for doing diagonalization in C? < 1299633913 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Beyond the hill size limit. < 1299633916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://cantor.org/ < 1299633931 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Nope. < 1299633933 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mobileglobal? < 1299633934 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for elliott_WHOAAAAAA_IM_STILL_ALIVE_YEAAAAAH: 0.0 < 1299633964 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: click that link < 1299633970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oops, sorry < 1299633981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://libgeorg.cantor.org/ < 1299633987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libgeorg, from the cantor project < 1299633994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great for diagonalization. < 1299633998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that right, oerjan? < 1299633998 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click that one too < 1299633999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*diagionalisation < 1299634006 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299634010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1299634010 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong diagonalization < 1299634015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gale force fuckin' WIND of whoosh < 1299634034 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slow
< 1299634036 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but listen < 1299634042 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can has real link? < 1299634079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299634107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: dunno. well, < 1299634115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAPACK is the "industry standard" thing. < 1299634118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for matrices. < 1299634124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Gregor was very adamant about not using LAPACK in a fuckin' bf joust scoring system. < 1299634125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YMMV < 1299634126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday, my statistics professor was trying to get us to understand how there's an infinite amount of numbers between two numbers < 1299634129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll certainly be fast :-P < 1299634176 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he did the whole "Divide into two unequal pieces thing, etc. etc.". I mean, sure, that's good enough for teaching, and it is adequate, but.. I guess it bothers me that it doesn't illustrate everything. I think < 1299634186 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I did not complain < 1299634193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing to complain about < 1299634203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just shut up now. < 1299634250 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like every high schooler should be given a completely sequence of Hilbert's Grand Hotel problems in calculus. < 1299634266 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to the point of showing 2^N is uncountable < 1299634741 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see what is differences in different processors which best way of machine codes to reverse a C string in-place? < 1299634845 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299634918 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299634984 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299635016 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299635293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299635296 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-184-120.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299635421 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: don't kill their chances of *enjoying* that type of math by teaching it in high school < 1299635451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps quintopia would change the rest of high school too :-P < 1299635467 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy solution: reduce the halting problem to it < 1299635499 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would eliminate high school; move university earlier; and start having students doing research from yr 1 < 1299635501 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1299635523 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would do high math like lockhart < 1299635523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Year 1 as in, first year of any school at all? < 1299635537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: I think you'll find that a good portion of students would not be interested in doing research ... < 1299635543 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already i'm making it more fun...the infinite hotel is fun! < 1299635548 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm - I was thinking yr 1 of new university; also it wouldn't be _required_ < 1299635562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We tried to put a Mardi Gras mask on and ended up with a Mardi Gras subnet mask. Only residents on Bourbon St. can connect now." < 1299635565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Lame! Year 1 of schooling! :p < 1299635568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, a *good* reform of the schooling system would require the full cooperation extremely well-educated, rational-minded parents. < 1299635577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those are in extremely short supply. < 1299635597 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then again my dream world students would not be anti-learning because they wouldn't have been through was passes for education < 1299635599 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1299635604 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also - ditto < 1299635637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I firmly believe that children could be advancing at a much, much faster rate than they do now, but it would require exceptional parenting. < 1299635645 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes - agreed < 1299635653 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of calculation should not be taught < 1299635662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A large part of our current schooling system's brokenness is that we try and teach things that require logical thought, like mathematics, without even touching on the subject of logical thought itself.) < 1299635662 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programming should be taught instead < 1299635671 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: EXACTLY < 1299635689 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299635698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course having explicit "logic lessons" isn't going to work, so you have to figure out how to teach logical thought itself from scratch -- and that's not easy. < 1299635733 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is not easy - but not hard. Encourage *questions* and work with students on developing those questions < 1299635734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...aaand this may provide a good clue why the more intelligent tend not to particularly want kids: gotta do it right! < 1299635741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Indeed. < 1299635747 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also remember that younger kids tend to think concretely < 1299635750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Good luck explaining a fallacy to a kid, though. < 1299635756 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was about to say that < 1299635764 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but there are ways < 1299635778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you teach them one, the rest are probably much easier. < 1299635801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The failure to do so leads to mass pandemics like religion ;) < 1299635828 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as the flipside thereof < 1299635840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: indeed < 1299635845 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't find it now - but I read an article about a third grade class publishing a research paper < 1299635857 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's few people as annoying as atheists that are irrational < 1299635862 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have no excuse for being irrational < 1299635871 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grasp why religious people fail at understanding it < 1299635876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: see richard dawkins forum >:) < 1299635882 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1299635886 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm - isn't that dead now? < 1299635894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1299635896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite happily unaware. < 1299635897 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but they've created new ones < 1299635898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling suggests yes. < 1299635906 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the majority of people from the rd forum went < 1299635910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite a shame because Richard Dawkins himself is a fine guy. < 1299635912 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah - there was a massive fallout with the moderators < 1299635919 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "rationalskepticism.org < 1299635927 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where rationality only is tolerated some days < 1299635942 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, any claim that makes a religion look bad is automatically true < 1299635946 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the only rule they have < 1299635956 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1299635959 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I claim that Moses raped Mickey Mouse in front of his daughter < 1299635969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that in the Bible? < 1299635970 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that claim would probably be held to be true by a majority there < 1299635980 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, it is. < 1299635984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then. < 1299635989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows the Bible is infallible. < 1299636024 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was written by Hitler. < 1299636028 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why wouldn't it be? < 1299636051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel has such a high rate of mentions of "Hitler". < 1299636053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should be #hitler. < 1299636061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for ##unavailable is: You've tried to join an unavailable channel. Perhaps the group was never here or has moved off-network ( http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#termination ). Check their website for more information. Your client may be flapping in and out of channel; in this case, check with channel staff. The channel may be clone-infested; please consult freenode network staff. < 1299636064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hitler: BANNED ON FREENODE < 1299636085 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :facists :( < 1299636103 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can create Hitler channel in my own server if you request it and have good reason for it. < 1299636105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. They're Nazis. < 1299636111 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should specify good reason at first. < 1299636117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: For discussion of Hitler. < 1299636151 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, just wait a few minutes while I configure it < 1299636174 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I do configure it, that is...) < 1299636367 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1299636393 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully I did configure it and I am not just lying. < 1299636400 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, now it is bad because Hitler used it. < 1299636441 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of sick to say this, but I'm.. morbidly amused by " She was buried, at her request, next to her father at the Church of St. Mary Magdalene in Hucknall, Nottingham." < 1299636470 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-219-2.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299636475 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299636503 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The #hitler channel in Freenode you cannot join, you must be invited. And you cannot be invited either even if you KNOCK. Because, they configured that channel to be broken and unusable that's why. < 1299636511 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HitlOS would be a good name for an OS. < 1299636531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the final solution to all your OS problems < 1299636552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299636553 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK. Find someone whose name is Hitler and then write "this operating system is bad because Hitler used it" and then write that such logic is wrong logic and that such thing does not make it bad. < 1299636554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should call @ that < 1299636559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to make sure even fewer people use that < 1299636578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: see, this is what we need to be teaching our children!111 < 1299636581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand Hitler be used as the example < 1299636589 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Swedish newspaper in the early 40s found a guy with the family name Hitler, and another with the name Stalin, and had them meet up < 1299636590 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example for what? < 1299636593 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chat < 1299636606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: and then they got married and adopted kids < 1299636608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I'm Stalin Hitler. < 1299636612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my brother, Hitler Stalin. < 1299636616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We kill puppies for fun. < 1299636628 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, it was an amicable chat. < 1299636633 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both were union members < 1299636637 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1299636637 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler supposedly liked dogs < 1299636645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh early 40s? < 1299636649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking, like < 1299636651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how random :D < 1299636662 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was quite topical < 1299636673 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but .. the fact that they were union members, makes you think, doesn't it? < 1299636675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the headline < 1299636678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STALIN MEETS HITLER FOR A CHAT < 1299636685 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like it < 1299636689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299636700 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that someone their children was named "Hitler" so they wanted to order a cake but the cake service refused to write "Hitler" on it, so they should write it themself at home, instead < 1299636709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely by now any living people with the name Hitler have it because they're white supremacists, and not because it's a long-lasting family name. < 1299636717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naming your child Hitler. What a brilliant idea! < 1299636722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was their first name, that is. < 1299636736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest, I think the family name Hitler is pretty much fucked at this point :P < 1299636741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The child's name was actually something like Adolf Hitler < 1299636754 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: erm no; #hitler -> ##unavailable < 1299636756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Campbell? Cambell? < 1299636757 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so Hitler was their middle name. < 1299636758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a stereotypically Jewish surname Gregor < 1299636761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: BROKEN AND UNUSABLE < 1299636770 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lots of them < 1299636772 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Klein < 1299636772 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anything ending in "stein" < 1299636775 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goldstein < 1299636780 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goldstein < 1299636781 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Berkowitz < 1299636782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was the kid named Adolf Hitler Goldstein < 1299636787 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohen < 1299636789 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: It results in "you must be invited" if you have usermode +Q < 1299636789 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Cohen < 1299636790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's the best name ever? < 1299636799 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: +Q ? < 1299636806 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no redirection? < 1299636810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was right, it was Campbell < 1299636819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/05/adolf-hitler-campbells-pa_n_672045.html < 1299636826 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: It does that too. < 1299636836 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what does +Q do? googling is not helpful < 1299636866 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling it? No! < 1299636870 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try HELP UMODE < 1299636880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOGLING IS FORBIDDEN < 1299636885 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such command. < 1299636888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is mortally offended by Google. < 1299636892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* umode : +Q - Prevents you from being affected by channel forwarding. < 1299636895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: /raw help umode < 1299636899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: prepare for zzo38 rant on how your client is broken < 1299636902 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not forbidden, but you should not use it all the time, especially in this case. < 1299636907 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my client is probably broken < 1299636914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: no, it just provides its own help command < 1299636917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably more useful than freenode's < 1299636925 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm kaing fun of zzo38 when I shouldn't < 1299636957 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it should forward other commands it doesn't know about to the server... < 1299636964 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299636987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: it knows about /help, though < 1299636991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/help x gives help on x < 1299636994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no umode command < 1299636998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it tells you there's no help to give < 1299637000 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a client command it is a command to send to server, please. < 1299637023 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you have to specify it as such. < 1299637161 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Of course there is no UMODE command but it is a help topic on the server, so there is help to give. < 1299637199 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, elliott was explaining to invariable < 1299637225 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I know, but still, there actually is such a help topic. < 1299637321 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 3 .so Landrush Application(s). If you are the only applicant for a domain at the end of the Landrush period (1st March 2011) then you will be awarded the domain. < 1299637329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU LIE < 1299637330 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a game that says "This game is bad because Hitler played it" < 1299637393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Landrush... < 1299637407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can I have an email redirect @libc.so, that would be possibly the most amazing thing ever :-P < 1299637424 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I will give out redirects, but only of valid libc functions. < 1299637429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: gets < 1299637433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reserve a few memory-related ones for myself. < 1299637435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be known as gets@libc.so forever. < 1299637441 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uhhh, if you want gets ... < 1299637451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm just trying to capitalise on all the famous ones :P < 1299637455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh... hmm... < 1299637462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: posix_fadvise@libc.so < 1299637463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS < 1299637466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299637472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: _Exit@libc.so < 1299637475 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This all depends on whether I actually get it though :P < 1299637476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making good decisions today < 1299637492 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you sure? < 1299637504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: libc.a would be better... quick, let's find a country whose name starts with A that has no TLD. < 1299637508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then colonise it. < 1299637514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And give them a fibre-optic link. < 1299637520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh :P < 1299637524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably a country just called "A", so that you can't have a second letter in the TLD. < 1299637528 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All country codes are two characters :P < 1299637529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's ask Sealand to rename themselves. < 1299637533 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They would probably make that .aa < 1299637541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This standard defines for most of the countries and dependent areas in the world: < 1299637541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a two letter (ISO 3166-1 alpha-2) < 1299637541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a three-letter (ISO 3166-1 alpha-3), and < 1299637541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a three-digit numeric (ISO 3166-1 numeric) code. < 1299637545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NUH UH < 1299637556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so the relevant ones are two-letter.) < 1299637566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: aa is taken < 1299637566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders neural nets for cartoon character recognition
< 1299637568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user-assigned < 1299637572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means < 1299637578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :User-assigned code elements are codes at the disposal of users who need to add further names of countries, territories, or other geographical entities to their in-house application of ISO 3166-1, and the ISO 3166/MA will never use these codes in the updating process of the standard. The following alpha-2 codes can be user-assigned: AA, QM to QZ, XA to XZ, and ZZ. For example: < 1299637590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO HA < 1299637617 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke :P < 1299637664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Register sudo.su :P < 1299637670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, taken. < 1299637672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How suppliesing. < 1299637683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Soviet Union) < 1299637688 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Even if it wasn't taken, .su domains are CRAZY-expensive. < 1299637697 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they're "trying" to phase them out. < 1299637698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I've seen individuals with them before. < 1299637702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that was an old registration. < 1299637721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But yah, it will never be phased out ever :P < 1299637730 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet Russia, domain name register YOU!! That is why you cannot register them easily < 1299637730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1299637740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope it will be phased out, or nope, I agree, it will never be phased out ever? < 1299637754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Congratulations, you're as funny as Yakov Smirnoff. < 1299637756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he makes vodka. < 1299637771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I agree, it will never be phased out. < 1299637797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: One day, the most well-known legacy of the Soviet Union will be its TLD, which will still be around in post-Singularity 3142 AD. < 1299637808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we *still* won't have migrated off IPv6 yet, grumble, sigh. < 1299637825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Turns out that incredibly-advanced alien cultures have a SHITLOAD of sentient beings who want personal websites.) < 1299637829 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off? We won't have migrated TO IPv6 yet :P < 1299637863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The Singularity did that for us. < 1299637870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After resigning us all to Five Minutes Self-Hatred for not having done it yet. < 1299637966 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any kind of 'patamagic that you like? Is there any kind of metamagic that you like? < 1299638034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like terminating zzo38 because he's an INFRARED and is wearing white clothes... < 1299638066 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not wearing white clothes right now. < 1299638077 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least some of it is almost white. < 1299638095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare you question Friend Computer?! < 1299638109 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!? < 1299638134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what color clothes _are_ infrareds allowed to wear, anyhow < 1299638158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black, I'd assume. < 1299638178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFRARED stuff is black, ULTRAVIOLET is white < 1299638191 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I have blue clothes at this time, and white socks. < 1299638428 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how do you apply for a .so domain? < 1299638446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Carefully. < 1299638453 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1299638469 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What country is that? < 1299638475 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a vanity domain name - but all the good ones are taken
< 1299638536 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did you get yours? < 1299638538 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1299638538 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Which vanity domain names did you want? < 1299638552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If I knew, I wouldn't have had that message to paste :P < 1299638571 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wanted 0xdeadbeef.com, cryp.to, a few others < 1299638594 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: where does one apply for the domains? < 1299638637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Presently you can't buy .so domains, as the landrush period has ended but general availability hasn't started yet. General availability is April 1st. < 1299638649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: nic.so has a list of registrars < 1299638651 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1299638669 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you would like to sell .so domains, please feel free to contact us below. ---> interesting < 1299638685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what < 1299638691 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable doesn't know much about the domain name system, does 'e :P < 1299638722 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: considering I follow dns-operations and nanog I'd say I'd know some things - I don't follow the politics of it though < 1299638746 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it interestling like "She requested to be buried in XYZ" interesting? < 1299638754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it seems weird if you don't think about it < 1299638759 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: curious what data you think I do not know. I'm always open to learning new things < 1299638779 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did invariable actually not think about it, and think it makes no sense? < 1299638780 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Well, it's just that "If you would like to sell .so domains, please feel free to contact us below." is not interesting at all, as that's how almost every TLD works :P < 1299638789 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They always delegate to general registrars. < 1299638794 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh - I know that < 1299638801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah! I was right! < 1299638803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1299638807 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: my interesting was "oh - maybe I'll sign up" < 1299638808 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind f. < 1299638816 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Sign up ... to be a registrar? < 1299638821 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't being a registrar.. expensive? < 1299638831 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: to contact them doesn't cost monies < 1299638843 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see how much they charge and what proccess they go thru < 1299638853 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to be a registrar? < 1299638872 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't. < 1299638889 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I want to see how much they charge and what proccess they go thru < 1299638891 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He wants to know what it takes to be a registrar < 1299638896 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well I'm sufficiently boggled :P < 1299638899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I just want libc.so < 1299638904 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably not getting it, but I WANT IT < 1299638912 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: darn it. I'd love that domain too < 1299638916 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, "probably not getting it"? < 1299638921 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if I could get libm.so
< 1299638931 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Landrush = any number of people can register, if more than one do then they auction it. < 1299638941 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I registered during landrush, but don't yet know if anybody else did. < 1299638945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: I registered libm too :P < 1299638948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, shouldn't you find a country with country code 6? < 1299638955 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: darn < 1299638960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEs, 6landia X_X < 1299638971 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew about this sooner < 1299638975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexlandia XXX; ok < 1299638983 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: I couldn't tell people :P < 1299638989 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: I didn't want any competition! < 1299638996 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: as I said - all the good vanity domain names are taken < 1299639015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it libc.so.6? Or something else? < 1299639017 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wanting libc.so for YEARS, I actually had a cron job to check nic.so every week :P < 1299639027 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: seriously? < 1299639040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1299639047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow X-D < 1299639052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You are one dedicated motherfucka. < 1299639054 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WANTS A GOOD VANITY DOMAIN NAME
< 1299639055 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did nic.so exist in any form back then? < 1299639058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm probably not getting it, but I WANT IT < 1299639059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1299639062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is only some small subset being granted? < 1299639063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor, the strangest person to root for somalian government < 1299639063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or were you guessing < 1299639067 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sgeo: Landrush = any number of people can register, if more than one do then they auction it. < 1299639067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you think someone else is as genius as you? < 1299639074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1299639075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1299639077 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's my fear :P < 1299639080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people aren't as brilliant as Gregor. < 1299639083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not because Gregor is brilliant. < 1299639087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just because most people are stupid. < 1299639095 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There only needs to be one more on Earth :P < 1299639107 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless he's poor 8-D < 1299639107 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION JUST WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME
< 1299639114 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-|} < 1299639119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is a good domain name :P < 1299639123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, but it's also someone as brilliant as you, *and dedicated enough to spend bucks on it*. < 1299639129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the starting bid is ridiculous. < 1299639175 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Somalia is still lettin' me down here :P < 1299639181 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know whether I got it any week ago. < 1299639198 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, imagine if you typoed your email address... < 1299639206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oblig. http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Somalia/ < 1299639224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm aware :P < 1299639231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Oblig." for a reason. < 1299639243 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION JUST WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME :-\
< 1299639249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: agood.com < 1299639265 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agooddomainname.com < 1299639271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have registered ehird.org by now, but elliott@ehird.org is ugly. < 1299639315 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: taken http://www.einsteinindustries.com/ < 1299639317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: I could give you a vanity email address @libc.so :P < 1299639328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But only if it's a libc function. < 1299639330 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1299639333 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299639338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not necessarily function, but symbol < 1299639339 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299639339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable seems like a memset guy to me. < 1299639340 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stderr is OK < 1299639343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I want errno < 1299639350 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that would be nice < 1299639352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What about a libc macro? < 1299639352 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you errno if you want it. < 1299639356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not technically in the .so. < 1299639360 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk - I was about to ask for errno < 1299639360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need libc.h. < 1299639363 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I said stderr is OK :P < 1299639366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: I WILL BATTLE YOU TO THE DEATH < 1299639371 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: could I get malloc? < 1299639372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: You can have it :P < 1299639379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor reserved "some memory allocation functions". < 1299639382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing this includes malloc. < 1299639386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've reserved malloc, free, realloc, brk and sbrk for me. < 1299639391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if I changed my gender and name to Mary Alloc? < 1299639397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Would you say you have... < 1299639399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALLOCATED them? < 1299639400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want calloc@libc.so < 1299639401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shades* < 1299639404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1299639409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[The Who] < 1299639414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION punches elliott in the face.
< 1299639417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shades before allocation < 1299639418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[It's just I noticed you didn't mention it] < 1299639431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can I have common Unix syscalls < 1299639433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're brk and sbrk? < 1299639436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk isn't actually in libc. < 1299639442 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: could I have puts@ and gets@ ? < 1299639443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm. < 1299639443 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1299639444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in SUS. < 1299639453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: ALREADY RESERVED GETS < 1299639459 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: elliott asked for gets, I don't understand why that's such a popular choice :P < 1299639466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets: Shittiest function ever. < 1299639468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's terrible and being removed in C1x :P < 1299639478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: j1f@libc.so plz < 1299639484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's technically in libm though :P) < 1299639489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I don't think libm is POSIX.) < 1299639494 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: could I have printf & scanf ? < 1299639497 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get libm.so, you can have that @libm.so :P < 1299639508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j0@libm.so would be good for someone called Jo or Joe. < 1299639526 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jn@libm.so would be good for Jane! < 1299639530 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the *f functions are irksome < 1299639534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ULLONG_MAX@libc.so plz < 1299639545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can we have things that are going to be in C1x? < 1299639546 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: open/close/read/write? < 1299639554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: NO FAIR < 1299639555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include@libc.so < 1299639557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299639560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like twenty you've reserved now :P < 1299639560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ultimately it just comes down to whether I think it's lolly enough :P < 1299639567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write@libc.so actually has quite a nice ring to it... < 1299639577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I demand NULL < 1299639577 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's reserved anything, and I'll give one person EXACTLY ONE. < 1299639580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1299639581 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Dun dun DUN!) < 1299639582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S FASCISM < 1299639588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE SOMALIA < 1299639599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fegetexceptflag@ plz < 1299639608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going through Wikipedia's list at this point :P < 1299639612 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HA < 1299639613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299639629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's your email address?" "Faggot except flag at libc dot so." < 1299639643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1299639655 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everyone else get all the good domains :-( < 1299639659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: creal@libc.so, for my rapper friend C. Real < 1299639669 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: So far I don't have ti :P < 1299639673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int@libc.so < 1299639673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewind@libc.so is nice < 1299639676 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1299639678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WAIT < 1299639683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: L_tmpnam@libc.so < 1299639685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSS < 1299639687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT THE GOOD ONE < 1299639687 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299639697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also _IOLBF@libc.so < 1299639700 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but also things like cryp.to, 0xdeadbeed, blah blah blah -> every domain I think of someone has taken < 1299639700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, C doesn't even cast like that < 1299639705 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: None of your @s are libc symbols X_X < 1299639713 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I know < 1299639719 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, none? I thought I had one earlier? < 1299639733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin@libc.so < 1299639734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calloc isn't a libc thing? < 1299639736 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, calloc < 1299639741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: libm < 1299639742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: xor_eq@libc.so. Thanks. < 1299639745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1299639748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a macro that expands to ^=. Seriously.) < 1299639748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin@libm.so is gonna be hotly debated :P < 1299639753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iso646.h) < 1299639756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso646.h < 1299639761 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol < 1299639768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OMG < 1299639770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not@libc.so < 1299639770 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight all < 1299639771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the same header < 1299639776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your email address? < 1299639778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at libc.so. < 1299639780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well where is it then? < 1299639798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinterpret_cast@libc.so < 1299639799 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do I get the feeling that elliott loves abbot and Costello < 1299639809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LDBL_MIN_10_EXP@libc.so < 1299639812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DECIMAL_DIG@libc.so < 1299639814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLT_EVAL_METHOD@libc.so < 1299639828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nearbyint@libc.so < 1299639832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THESE ARE SO. GOOD. < 1299639843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I want reinterpret_cast@libc.so < 1299639847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... X-D < 1299639849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks into a postincrement
< 1299639854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: __bool_true_false_are_defined@libc.so < 1299639855 0 :invariable!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :variable < 1299639856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So much fail. < 1299639858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stdbool.h) < 1299639873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think I've won. < 1299639876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you know I'm doing this deliberately, right? < 1299639879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever game we're playing, I just won it. < 1299639901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1299639907 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight all for real < 1299639910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qsort might be a good one. < 1299639919 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even went outside C. How much more blatant can I get/ < 1299639954 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO@libc.so < 1299639982 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, are you going to call that fail? < 1299639997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: zPLR@libc.so. Hey, it's in my strings(1) output. < 1299640000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, fail is properly monadic < 1299640003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG YES < 1299640004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__gconv_transform_ucs4le_internal < 1299640005 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... great < 1299640008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__gconv_transform_ucs4le_internal@libc.so < 1299640010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIVE IT TO ME NOW < 1299640012 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, no < 1299640017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__nscd_getgrouplist? < 1299640022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal_getgrouplist? < 1299640029 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What symbols are only in glibc? < 1299640035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((((__const uint32_t *) (sin6->sin6_addr.__in6_u.__u6_addr32))[0] == 0) && (((__const uint32_t *) (sin6->sin6_addr.__in6_u.__u6_addr32))[1] == 0) && (((__const uint32_t *) (sin6->sin6_addr.__in6_u.__u6_addr32))[2] == (__extension__ ({ register unsigned int __v, __x = (0xffff); if (__builtin_constant_p (__x)) __v = ((((__x) & 0xff000000) >> 24) | (((__x) & 0x00ff0000) >> 8) | (((__x) & 0x0000ff00) << 8) < 1299640035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | (((__x) & 0x000000ff) << 24)); else __asm__ ("bswap %0" : "=r" (__v) : "0" (__x)); __v; }))))@libc.so? < 1299640038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in my strings output.) < 1299640038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to regular libc? < 1299640049 0 :MrMandelbrot!~aj@174-20-87-245.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299640057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__extension__ ({ size_t __s1_len, __s2_len; (__builtin_constant_p (&zone_names[info->idx]) && __builtin_constant_p (__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) && (__s1_len = __builtin_strlen (&zone_names[info->idx]), __s2_len = __builtin_strlen (__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]), (!((size_t)(const void *)((&zone_names[info->idx]) + 1) - (size_t)(const void *)(&zone_names[info->idx]) == 1) || __s1_len >= 4) && (!((size_t)(const voi < 1299640057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d *)((__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) + 1) - (size_t)(const void *)(__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) == 1) || __s2_len >= 4)) ? __builtin_strcmp (&zone_names[info->idx], __tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) : (__builtin_constant_p (&zone_names[info->idx]) && ((size_t)(const void *)((&zone_names[info->idx]) + 1) - (size_t)(const void *)(&zone_names[info->idx]) == 1) && (__s1_len = __builtin_strlen (&zone_names[info->idx]), __s1_len < 1299640058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 4) ? (__builtin_constant_p (__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) && ((size_t)(const void *)((__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) + 1) - (size_t)(const void *)(__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) == 1) ? __builtin_strcmp (&zone_names[info->idx], __tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) : (__extension__ ({ __const unsigned char *__s2 = (__const unsigned char *) (__const char *) (__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]); register int __result = (((__const unsigned char *) < 1299640062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(__const char *) (&zone_names[info->idx]))[0] - __s2[0]); if (__s1_len > 0 && __result == 0) { __result = (((__const unsigned char *) (__const char *) (&zone_names[info->idx]))[1] - __s2[1]); if (__s1_len > 1 && __result == 0) { __result = (((__const unsigned char *) (__const char *) (&zone_names[info->idx]))[2] - __s2[2]); if (__s1_len > 2 && __result == 0) __result = (((__const unsigned char *) (__co < 1299640067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nst char *) (&zone_names[info->idx]))[3] - __s2[3]); } } __result; }))) : (__builtin_constant_p (__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) && ((size_t)(const void *)((__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) + 1) - (size_t)(const void *)(__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]) == 1) && (__s2_len = __builtin_strlen (__tzname[tp->tm_isdst]), __s2_len < 4) ? (__builtin_constant_p (&zone_names[info->idx]) && ((size_t)(const void *)((&zone_names[info->idx]) < 1299640074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + 1) - (size_t)(const. < 1299640076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at that, my IRC client decided I couldn't enter more. < 1299640079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's longer than that. < 1299640105 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does __extension__ means? < 1299640147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets you use GNU statement expressions in ANSI-strict code. < 1299640151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using gcc.) < 1299640152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that may be close to being a legal email address < 1299640165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: E2BIG@libc.so plz < 1299640172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good laaaaaaaaawd < 1299640175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE INITIAL FITS. < 1299640189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1299640192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1299640194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ECHILD@libc.so < 1299640196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S WHUT I AM < 1299640201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1299640203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: EIO@libc.so < 1299640207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the IO interface to Elliott. < 1299640228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best thing Gregor? Best thing? < 1299640284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ET, the Elliott transformer < 1299640414 0 :MrMandelbrot!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299640455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so what's the longer-term plan for your OS? < 1299640461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, once it can actually do tasks < 1299640466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. processes < 1299640716 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299640768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, J701 is out! < 1299640771 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGH < 1299640795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ? < 1299640854 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those lines you pasted up there < 1299640859 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they temporarily blinded me < 1299640957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: which lines < 1299640960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299640961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299640961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299641096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299641101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I will have another stab at implementing my OS < 1299641271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not at all an expert in either linux nor the Mac OS 10.6 flavour of it." < 1299641274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x < 1299641280 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot < 1299641289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: someone clearly thinks that os x is based on linux < 1299641292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, you know, it's unix! < 1299641295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know this! < 1299641298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'M GONNA TRUST HIS JUDGEMENT ON THAT < 1299641320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... OS X isn't even very GNUy. < 1299641322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being an expert < 1299641330 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the question is where did you find a person who believes this < 1299641334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: J mailing list < 1299641343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope, in fact OS X is closer to real Unix than a lot of operating systems; certified after all (but that is meaninglses) < 1299641363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Somewhat more importantly, OS X is genetic Unix. < 1299641368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: although it's horribly broken in several respects, of course, and the User Operating System layered on top of it -- the graphical interface and applications -- is almost completely unrelated to Unix < 1299641386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making OS X about as tempting a Unix environment as Windows + coLinux or similar < 1299641433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey is REALLY tricky. < 1299641438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Honey what, soda? < 1299641440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so freaking acidic. < 1299641445 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nowhere near as sweet as it should be. < 1299641445 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah. < 1299641452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: <3 < 1299641454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just as a sweetener/acidifier, not primary flavorant. < 1299641458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are we talking like... < 1299641463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey is nowhere near as sweet as it should be, what. < 1299641468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey is, like, one of the sweetest things. < 1299641473 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it so isn't :P < 1299641480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: P.S. Do maple syrup next. I am in a committed relationship with maple syrup. < 1299641481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as sweet as sugar, it's not even as sweet as corn syrup. < 1299641485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the best thing and goes with everything. < 1299641489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And IS sweeter than anything :P < 1299641498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess it's not terribly acidic, but who cares, maple syrup. < 1299641500 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maple syrup is definitely crazysweet. < 1299641505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299641507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use it in soda. < 1299641509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it now. < 1299641514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to be acidic, I can always use citric acid *shrugs* < 1299641521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. MAPLE SYRUP. < 1299641528 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have maple extract :P < 1299641536 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I failed HARD at making maple soda by using maple extract. < 1299641539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was really bad :P < 1299641552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experience with maple syrup is that, whenever you feel like using sugar, just use maple syrup instead and it'll be so amazing. < 1299641610 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-244.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299641621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299641737 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experience with maple syrup is that, using with waffle/pancake. < 1299641934 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience with maple syrup is that it's acidic and gross < 1299641945 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maple-flavored corn syrup is clearly superior < 1299642061 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Fail. < 1299642076 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maple syrup is the embodiment of delicious. < 1299642087 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably one of those people who likes tomatoes and olives too < 1299642091 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say to hell with the lot of you < 1299642107 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only like either as ingredients. < 1299642167 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to take two tomato slices and put olives and mayo between them < 1299642213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: He's joking, you moron :P < 1299642219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless he's really really stupid. < 1299642228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I hate tomatoes and olives :P < 1299642259 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no idea if he's joking or not. I have little experience comparing food. Does this make me stupid? < 1299642413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey quintopia, give me endless grant money to work on @. < 1299642450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endless £ or endless $? < 1299642453 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299642469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the former, much better rates < 1299642474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endless Zorkmids! < 1299642500 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'll give you one hundred billion ZWD right now < 1299642511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Accepted. < 1299642517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (ZWD got reset recently.) < 1299642522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (Well, right before it got deprecated.) < 1299642524 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299642525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's a fair amount of money. < 1299642546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On February 2, 2009, the RBZ announced that a further 12 zeros were to be taken off the currency, with 1,000,000,000,000 (third) Zimbabwe dollars being exchanged for 1 new (fourth) dollar.[21] New banknotes were introduced with a face value of Z$1, Z$5, Z$10, Z$20, Z$50, Z$100 and Z$500.[22] The banknotes of the fourth dollar circulated alongside the third dollar, which had to remain legal tender until < 1299642546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 30 June 2009.[23] The new currency code was ZWL.[24] < 1299642549 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have the bills from before the reset. sorry. < 1299642556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1299642565 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i recall though < 1299642575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love this caption: "The 100 trillion Zimbabwean dollar banknote (1014 dollars), equal to 10627 pre-2006 dollars." < 1299642576 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had hyperinflated again before it was deprecated < 1299642578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*10^27 < 1299642590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nope < 1299642594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it was basically ignored < 1299642597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since everyone dollarizified < 1299642620 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, any amount of ZWD is worthless now, yes? < 1299642633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. they basically don't exist. but if you _could_ convert them. < 1299642639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 4th gen zwd would be sweet. < 1299642801 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-118.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299643190 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY SOMALIA WHY < 1299643195 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST WANT THE ETERNAL WAIT TO BE OVER < 1299643607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could make that into a song! < 1299643618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A little ditty about how hard done-to you are by Somalia. < 1299643631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not even any pirates :P < 1299643636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, Somalia, why / I just want the eternal wait to be over / When, Somalia, when / Will you give me my domain < 1299643638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WILL BE AWESOMETERRIBLE < 1299643642 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless pirates have taken over the Ministry of Post and Telecommunications < 1299643645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY HAVE. < 1299643655 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well done waking up on that < 1299643683 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: next you'll be trolling about the use of the us dollar as the main currency in russia in the 90s < 1299643687 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out how to make chess notation with morse code. < 1299643699 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ooo < 1299643719 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there some specific trick? or do you just use normal chess notation and transcribe it? < 1299643783 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Files are AEIOOIEA and ranks are BDFGHKLP. The file letters are duplicated because you put the file letters first for queenside and ranks letters first for kingside. < 1299643811 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the queen's rook's 1 might be "AB" and the king's rook's 1 might be "BA", for example. < 1299643921 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1299644055 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to make chessboard fonts with METAFONT. < 1299644127 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cheater00's here < 1299644151 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good luck < 1299644157 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i bet it'll be fun < 1299644452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pinguy-os.sourceforge.net/ Time until Sgeo uses this piece of "Macdows" crap: 3s < 1299644471 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe tomorrow < 1299644475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to sleep soon < 1299644493 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks boring < 1299644513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1299644521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How can you say that, you've used Lindows! < 1299644524 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of nifty. Plant "Vitamin A" is much less effective (>6x difference at least) than true vitamin A (from animals). And often is labeled the same. :-/ < 1299644526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have NO BASELINE of crappiness. < 1299644539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinguy OS : Linux Mint :: Linux Mint : Ubuntu? < 1299644542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Supposedly) < 1299644552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've used Freespire. < 1299644589 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Freespire and Ubuntu are the only Linux distros I have used as a primary OS. Unless Kubuntu counts separately from Ubuntu < 1299644593 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, this site reports 12x difference. < 1299644594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Pinguy OS = Macdows. < 1299644648 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an OS. Therefore, it's at least marginally more interesting than the video I got upon googling "Macdows". < 1299644662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, some chicken walking around is more entertaining < 1299644673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.archive.org/details/Macdows < 1299644754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that are more entertaining than the Macdows video: < 1299644759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A glacier moving. < 1299644761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.freespire.com/ ;; wonder how much of this is bullshit. < 1299644768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An empty house. < 1299644769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"- FACT: Michael Robertson, a self-proclaimed agnostic, went to great lengths to unsuccessfully try and have a Christian church kick out one of their members who was a former employee whom Robertson held a grudge against. Robertson made false allegations to the church of criminal activity by the former employee. UBER creepy, we know. (The Anti-Christian Expose' coming soon.)" < 1299644771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes me sceptical. < 1299644859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sad that Xandros no longer has a community edition < 1299644963 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yeah, gotta watch out with this new-age crap < 1299644975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:05:03 http://www.archive.org/details/Macdows < 1299644976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1299645113 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are even worse practices: Like labeling industrial trans fats (extremely unhealthy stuff) as saturated fat "because they have similar chemical properties" (which is just plain mis-/disinformation). < 1299645164 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. < 1299645167 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a world of a difference between industrial trans fats and any other kind of fat. < 1299645169 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, xkcd sets off adblockers < 1299645193 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait till you get to things like children's food. < 1299645229 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently industrial trans fats are not just heart health hazard. They are diabetes hazard as well. < 1299645265 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday we've compared a children's semolina pudding and grown up's semolina pudding < 1299645297 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :children's has 0% protein and 39% sugar. < 1299645311 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grown ups' has 0% sugar and normal protein. < 1299645422 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: mine blocked it < 1299645436 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to go to the hotlink below it < 1299645460 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone else pasted me the alt text cuz i didn't care enough to view the source < 1299645496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299645501 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-229-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299645521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, today's xkcd is yet another instance of "it annoys me, but it's not funny. What should I do? Ooh, I remember, I have a comic!" < 1299645545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Comics don't have to be funny, right? What's that? They're meant to be interesting if not funny? Hmm... well, it's too late to turn back now. *hits Publish*" < 1299645583 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the above is definitely true for comics released on a strict schedule < 1299645604 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there's also confusing industrial and natural trans fats. Again a world of difference. < 1299645619 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all depends on rather you prefer three mediocre comics a week or one funny one every now and again < 1299645627 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rather/whether/ < 1299645641 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i leverage myself by looking down on something that others look up to because i have no value of my own." < 1299645648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : all of the above is definitely true for comics released on a strict schedule < 1299645659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, IWC regularly manages to be funny, but of course it is subjective. < 1299645670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key is backlog, backlog, backlog, and if Randall doesn't have a backlog I'll eat my hat. < 1299645675 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural trans fats have strong negative correlation to heart disease. Industrial ones have very strong positive correlation (amounts measured from fatty tissue). < 1299645677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure he's just stopped caring. < 1299645696 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe he has no idea what people think is funny < 1299645700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or has run out of all good ideas but, hey, I still get money from it. < 1299645707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Counter-evidence: almost every comic before #400 or so. < 1299645708 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some people who thought this one was funny < 1299645715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but those people have broken heads. < 1299645746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old xkcd is universally liked; new xkcd is mainly liked by the diehard fans. There is definitely a *difference*. < 1299645753 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go back and read those comics. they're not as funny as you think they are. also, i think many of them predate the three-a-week schedule < 1299645761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have; they are. < 1299645774 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The top to bottom ratio is something like 0.5 for natural trans fats (1 is neutral, the smaller the better), and 5 for industrial ones. < 1299645781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old xkcd also seems much more authentic to me -- not in a hipster "had-it-on-vinyl" way, but they've seemed quite strained for a while now. < 1299645799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those five minute comics of late were *good*. < 1299645810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what's happened is that with popularity, he's ended up overediting them all. < 1299645885 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ad blocker blocked today's xkcd. < 1299645887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best ever? < 1299645893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: See: LINES JUST ABOVE < 1299645895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god. < 1299645910 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to read that much. < 1299645910 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw "xkcd" and "sucks" < 1299645916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299645932 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xkcd.com/99/ < 1299645937 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently nobody said anything about adblockers. < 1299645939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah. < 1299645942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we did. < 1299645945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they did. < 1299645947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See earlier above. < 1299645953 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy, WAY too far back :P < 1299645961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not saying every comic before #400 was good. < 1299645967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's adblocker is so good it even blocks irc conversations about adblockers < 1299645971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that xkcd was a regular source of funny. < 1299645975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1299645978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- < 1299645978 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1299645984 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty good. < 1299646021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1299646027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299646091 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299646095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:52:39 --- quit: EgoBot (K-lined) < 1299646097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:52:40 --- quit: GregorR (K-lined) < 1299646099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-04-09 < 1299646101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: explain yourself < 1299646111 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1299646116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: shut up. < 1299646128 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1299646131 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little help here? < 1299646134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ban quintopia. < 1299646135 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1299646143 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick elliott so he can sleep < 1299646148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299646152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot sleep until Gregor replies < 1299646156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's 5:30 am reply you fucker < 1299646199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:07:24 * EgoBot has quit (K-lined) < 1299646199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:07:24 * GregorR has quit (K-lined) < 1299646199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:07:40 why'd that happen? < 1299646199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:07:47 Apparently it was for spamming. < 1299646199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:08:10 spamming who < 1299646207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:10:56 "Broken client, apparently .. not sure the details", "I'm speculating, but usually that reason means it was disconnecting/reconnecting/etc.. or joining/rejoining/etc.." < 1299646210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol Gregor is sux < 1299646236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1299646916 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299647130 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ready made up a program in TeX to read Forsyth-Edwards Notation. < 1299647198 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it will currently print out the board in ASCII, although I can make the chessboard fonts and make it print out using chessboard fonts with light squares and dark squares. < 1299647334 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299647373 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299647575 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making TeX understand the rules of chess in order to interpret the notation correctly is a bit complicated. < 1299647578 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1299647622 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I could probably make many simplifications in these rules < 1299647639 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299647648 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now write formal proof. < 1299647653 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the notation it can understand for board setup is like the following: \def\FIDEsetup{\FENsetup{rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR}} < 1299647662 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Formal proof of what? < 1299647678 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that your function will correctly spit out the right chessboards < 1299647787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess boards and displayed moves (as opposed to inline moves) are printed using display math mode. < 1299647893 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-65.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299647904 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, but how do you know that your decoding is correct? < 1299647928 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no formal proof, although I could test it with various inputs to see what happens. < 1299647928 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299648100 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say it's impossible to write formal proof? < 1299648124 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I don't know. < 1299648145 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it can, the formal proof can also be typed using TeX. < 1299648148 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be interested if you were to find a way to do a general proof of it < 1299648265 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the main part of the code that parses FEN, in case you want to see: http://sprunge.us/DELA < 1299648328 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not exactly sure how to write formal proofs of computer programs, anyways. < 1299648334 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, BTW, I decided to do my own thing. While I'm not thrilled with the outcome, I'm pretty sure I like it better than the probable outcome of doing what you suggested < 1299648394 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you trying to prove you're a non-lobotomised human with own thoughts? < 1299648431 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm asking because it's the third or fourth time you're mentioning you'll do something else, and it seems like over-compensating. < 1299648491 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think you could start by defining the input data structure and based on that proving that the output data structure will always be a correct chess board < 1299648496 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night < 1299648538 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: It won't be a correct chess board if the input is bad. It doesn't verify that the input is correct. < 1299648565 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, the idea is to prove it given the assumption that the input is correct. < 1299648640 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right now you can not say that your program, given correct input, will produce a chessboard (much less a chessboard of correct format, and even less that it will be the single chessboard that you want) < 1299648735 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not implemented moves yet, only board setup. However the board setup can place the pieces wherever you want, so you can setup the board to be the position after a few moves have already been done. Next I will implement move notations as well. < 1299648756 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299648777 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And chessboard fonts, so that the board can be displayed using the common chess diagrams. < 1299648796 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1299648813 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i must say, i really dislike the old bitmap chess fonts though < 1299648817 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1299648861 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can suggest other ways in which they should be drawn. I know METAFONT, although I don't know a lot about typeface design. So, if you know the good way of drawing of the pieces, I can program them into METAFONT. < 1299649009 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also add a few icons for pieces that are not in chess, in case of some variants, such as chess with checkers added, and so on. < 1299649134 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, i don't know any alternatives that i could identify by name < 1299649189 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I once play chess with my brother, he added checkers in front of pawns as a joke but then I said we can play that way, and both of us immediately knew what the rules for this new varaint were even though neither of us had played before. And we happened to be in complete agreement of the rules. < 1299649215 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Alternatives of what? < 1299649247 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You can suggest other ways < 1299649297 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I didn't mean naming them. I mean describing their shapes in a way that I can program in. < 1299650194 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no clue < 1299650360 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1299650427 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299650834 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299650849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299650985 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299651269 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1299651735 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299652137 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1299652488 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299652523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299652530 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299653085 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299653085 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299653085 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299653252 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299653562 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299654190 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-133.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299654202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299655689 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299656525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299656578 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299656581 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-186.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299657481 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299657537 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049121.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299657599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299657600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299658987 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299662397 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299662616 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299664888 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@afrodite.ceid.upatras.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299665857 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1299666831 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299667911 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299668091 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I think I figured out why I misremembered name of the language: There was earlier design called pointer-A that never went past initial ideas stage (never even got to spec stage). That name really had a dash in it. < 1299669273 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230230138.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299669277 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299669428 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299671054 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 + CSS3 = turing complete :-\ < 1299671797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom was turing complete last night < 1299671808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in BED. < 1299671864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should've chosen my first words better. < 1299672921 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Got more info about that? < 1299673058 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299673143 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yeah - hang on < 1299673218 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4222 < 1299673755 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299674587 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299674589 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can one write HTML5+CSS3 that "halts" only if Goldbach's conjecture is false (such program can be written in every TC language)? < 1299675198 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299675201 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm idling here < 1299675203 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :nooga < 1299675385 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299675403 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest28480 < 1299675495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the hell is elliott < 1299675515 0 :Guest28480!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1299675932 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the elliott is hell < 1299675976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the elliott is, he'll. < 1299676037 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "where" elliott is: Hell. < 1299676292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler wheelies the toll. < 1299676426 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does EVERY tv show or movie that involves a bomb HAVE to have a "which colour wire do I cut?" scene. I I ever made a bomb I'd make all the wires red so that this couldn't happen! < 1299676596 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no sink in this room!!! < 1299676643 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE there's a source? < 1299676884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can just time-reverse it. < 1299678100 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bork < 1299678167 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299678229 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299678262 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299678619 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299678649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slowpoke http://sprunge.us/hcQD < 1299678838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 2011-03-09 09:16:05 --> EgoBot (~EgoBot@codu.org) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) < 1299678855 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You poked it straight off the net. < 1299678866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1299678878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for the record, slowpoke beats every other program, convincingly in most cases, including waterfall3 < 1299678931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's very convenient the bot isn't here to disprove. Almost an unimaginable coincidence, hmm? Makes you think. < 1299678974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it locally if you like < 1299678998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear the strategy shown there may have actually broken BF Joust somewhat, it appears to be more or less completely fatal to defence programs < 1299679005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd sneak it into the visualization system but the computer's off. < 1299679014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hopefully it's suboptimal due to doing slightly worse against attack programs < 1299679029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the strategy < 1299679114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the attack uses a timer clear, which basically spends around 4000 cycles on a two-cycle clear, then switching to a five-cycle clear in the other direction if it still hasn't finished < 1299679118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that it's probably being locked < 1299679147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program as a whole is a combination of that idea with a deep poke that leaves a trail < 1299679150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a two-cycle clear < 1299679152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] < 1299679158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other programs that act much the same way < 1299679163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies < 1299679170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the rules of bf joust even? :P < 1299679176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1299679181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, k i'll read < 1299679198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could explain in-channel, but it'd just take longer for no benefit < 1299679211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no benefit to anyone except me, no < 1299679227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, or is it yes < 1299679227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for you either, unless you'd prefer IRC for some reason < 1299679227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.P < 1299679232 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299679232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i prefer irc < 1299679235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1299679258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way the game works is that two programs are each trying to set a particular cell in a shared memory tape to 0 < 1299679282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs themselves are written in Brainfuck, except without I/O (the . command exists but just does nothing for one cycle) < 1299679305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each program starts at opposite ends of the tape, and > moves "forwards" towards the opponent's end, with < moving backwards towards their own end < 1299679312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1299679325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the programs run simultaneously, every turn one command from each is evaluated and applied simultaneously < 1299679354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1299679357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if + or - runs at the same time as [ or ], the increment/decrement's done after the flow control command; apart from that, the combined effect of two commands is typically obvious) < 1299679369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299679378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the difficulty is that the programs don't know how long the tape is (it could be any length from 10 to 30 inclusive) < 1299679405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although the main loss condition is that the cell you started on is 0 for two cycles in a row, there's a secondary loss condition that you lose if you go off the end of the tape < 1299679420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tape starts with 128 at each end and 0 on every other cell, by the way, 8-bit wrapping < 1299679459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1299679467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so strategy mostly evolves around trying to set each cell along the tape in turn to 0 for two cycles in a row, on the basis that if doing that doesn't immediately win then it obviously wasn't the cell the opponent started on < 1299679485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299679487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else, trying to make it harder for the opponent to do that, to give yourself more time to do so < 1299679506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a game that doesn't really work < 1299679517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? < 1299679519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the other thing to note is that BF Joust programs are pretty much always run-length-encoded (as (ab)*5 = ababababab) < 1299679530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's been working quite well, people keep discovering new strategies < 1299679544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so now what was yours < 1299679545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the length of the strategies page is testament to that, and comes complete with animations to show how they work < 1299679552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm k < 1299679558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the polarity flip thing, but I'm not sure how notable that is. < 1299679558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe i'll look then < 1299679572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the one that program uses is to try to clear a cell, and change strategy if it doesn't seem to be working < 1299679582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as in [-]>[+]>? < 1299679584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else? < 1299679595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the sieve/kettle thing. < 1299679614 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299679622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I didn't mention tournament rules at all, but it's much the same as the basic two-player rules < 1299679701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to keep things deterministic, programs are run on all tape lengths, then again with + and - swapped in one of the programs (as otherwise changing the polarity of a program leads to degenerate and boring changes in results) < 1299679753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1299679772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"otherwise changing"? < 1299679817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as otherwise (changing the polarity of a program) < 1299679821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you misparsed the sentence < 1299679823 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299679852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried both parses and didn't get it < 1299679877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean degenerate and boring changes in results < 1299679914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, say you have a simple program like [>[-]+], and your opponent's using [>[-]-] < 1299679943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opponent's going to win massively, because it takes them 2 cycles to clear each element of your trail, and it takes you 508 cycles to clear each element of theirs < 1299679958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you swap your program into [>[+]-], now it's suddenly the other way round and you win massivelyh < 1299679960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*massively < 1299679963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's why i don't see how this kind of thing could work < 1299679963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's fundamentally the same program < 1299679979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so running with both polarities gets rid of that sort of issue < 1299679984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's always a strategy that beats everything sofar < 1299679990 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299680006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's trivial to find one < 1299680011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean surely this can't be the case < 1299680021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, beating every other existing program is very rare < 1299680031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly, I've done it twice recently < 1299680033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, any single one you wish to beat < 1299680044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beating a single program is generally quite easy, yes < 1299680050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's normally at the cost of making you lose to everything else < 1299680196 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US is literally going to tear itself apart < 1299680203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over what? < 1299680209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can you spend 4000 cycles in a clear and then stop < 1299680212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the political divide keeps widening < 1299680225 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually the two sides won't be able to coexist at this rate < 1299680259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the actual two main parties are very similar < 1299680288 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are similar in policy, but they hate each other < 1299680295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't a bf joust be fun where YOU are the program, on each level you have a bf joust opponent and you don't know its code < 1299680297 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they differ on key points < 1299680303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the code's kind-of complex; in slowpoke the operative code is ((+)*9[-[-([-[-{[...+[...+]]>}]][+--[+--]]>(+)*9)%1000]]>)*21 < 1299680303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, would need to have some sort of fast forward < 1299680323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is heavily compressed, as usual < 1299680328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be kilobytes long if written out in full < 1299680348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ofc the preprocessor doesn't add to the power of the language, just makes programs shorter and easier to read < 1299680349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so why does that win the program that walks 9 and starts emptying? < 1299680359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, by itself < 1299680375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowpoke does a lot of other stuff first in order to slow the opponent down < 1299680382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... < 1299680383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can get away with a slightly slower clear loop < 1299680881 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299681598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: where'd EgoBot go? < 1299681652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just BURNING to submit your new killer program, aren't you?-) < 1299681869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0ryan0 writes "Utah lawmakers passed a bill today to force public school teachers to teach that the USA is a republic, not a democracy, because a "Democracy" would have "Democrat" in it. < 1299681870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes < 1299681902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor really should carry an "Egobot Emergency" pager around. < 1299681907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, btw, there are some signs of that voting reform thing in the UK; I haven't heard anything about it officially or on the news, but I've seen a couple of adverts trying to persuade me to vote in a particular way on AV < 1299681983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, opinions on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Java' and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Java''? < 1299681993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone just created them, and I'm not sure how to react < 1299682146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah at LtU/proggit claiming that HTML5/CSS3 is TC based on a finite rule 110 example < 1299682157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 110 is only TC if given an infinitely long initialisation < 1299682169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /definitely/ isn't TC given only a finite playfield, for really obvious reasons < 1299682367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it easily follows from ramsey theory < 1299682416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: remove them, clearly we aren't in on the joke, whatever it is. < 1299682547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's an attempt to create an esolang by removing a feature of a language that's essential to its existence < 1299682562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in Java everything inherits from something other than Object, if you remove Object, the idea is that you wouldn't get a language at all < 1299682581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the page is an attempt to argue that it's still TC anyway < 1299682638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, even i get it now < 1299682667 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299682680 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, cool. referendum then? < 1299682688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, by the look of it < 1299682695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I haven't heard anything "official" < 1299682704 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick google says it's set for may 5 < 1299682730 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://everything2.com/user/Auduster/writeups/The+UK+Alternative+Vote+Referendum%252C+2011 < 1299682751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the adverts are early in that case < 1299682799 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299682894 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ehird: I consider it your duty to explain to people why this doesn't suck < 1299682899 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try to get as many votes for it as possible < 1299682909 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are dumb and will probably naturally oppose it < 1299682927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to check to make sure that it doesn't suck myself, first < 1299682938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ideas with terrible implementations is something that the government does quite a lot < 1299682949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't looked at the details of what's being suggested < 1299683076 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT it just changes the balloting system from FPTP to instant-runoff < 1299683110 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite a proportional system, but infinitely superior < 1299683125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of instant runoff? the French system whereby there's a second ballot with the top two candidates? that one's insane < 1299683147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the system by which you enter preferences, and it repeatedly eliminates the candidate with the fewest first choices then recalculates the ballot? < 1299683151 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1299683155 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is not instant < 1299683163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1299683171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's actually instant n-minus-1 runoffs < 1299683176 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299683181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc the second method isn't instant in the UK either, votes are counted by hand by volunteers < 1299683203 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means there isn't a second round of balloting < 1299683275 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand counting is good < 1299683280 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bad < 1299683281 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also good < 1299683337 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also really like the Condorcet method < 1299683359 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the winner is the one who would beat everyone else in a runoff) < 1299683367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes not producing a result is not really ideal for typical elections < 1299683377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although condorcet + tiebreak for when that happens is used in several open source project elections, IIRC < 1299683460 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a tiebreak should be used < 1299683483 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299683486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it matter what is used? < 1299683502 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The balloting system is vital < 1299683509 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPTP favors established parties < 1299683510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh. < 1299683513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299683517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, that kinda thing < 1299683543 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPTP also means that in a highly fragmented riding, the winner may not be the least objectionable alternative < 1299683569 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant-runoff and condorcet systems are primarily aimed at picking as a winner the least objectionable alternative < 1299683619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that kind of thing as well < 1299683632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitler loved FPTP! < 1299683647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i love hitler, but love isn't transitive. < 1299683652 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually really significant here in Canada, actually < 1299683672 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside of Quebec, there are two big parties (liberals and conservatives) and a third party (the NDP) who win seats < 1299683677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh how i wish it was commutative :'( < 1299683705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually wish that but that what a poetic thing to say. < 1299683709 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDP and Liberal supporters tend to be far closer toghether where the Conservative supporters are a completely different camp < 1299683735 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, many NDP supporters vote strategically for the Liberals < 1299683771 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the riding I'm currently living in, the Conservative candidate won last election by 17 (yes, you read that right) votes < 1299683778 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he would have lost in any other form of balloting < 1299683789 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: itym symmetric < 1299683801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1299683808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not necessarily < 1299683812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commutative works too < 1299683820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i should specify a bit more then < 1299683823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um this is a relation not an operator < 1299683840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1299683847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just union with bools < 1299683860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right eh? :DSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1299683939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the image is in 0, 1, and 0 is a zero element, then commutativity = symmetry right < 1299683949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 1 = relation exists < 1299684054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's some technical reason why that's bad to do in foundations < 1299684099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aRb => a*b = 1 = b*a => bRa; a*b = 1 implies aRb => bRa => b*a = 1, and b*a = 1 implies a*b = 1) < 1299684112 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because relations are properties that have to be taken, fundamentally, as axiomatic < 1299684123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm what < 1299684160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relations are subsets of a cartesian product < 1299684173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying < 1299684174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299684195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we define the set {(0, 1)}, then 0 and 1 are axiomatically in a relation < 1299684224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relations are at the bottom in logic, before you even start defining sets < 1299684230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1299684252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, but you'll have to buy me a beer. < 1299684289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow i don't care what you start with, that's not what i mean by a relation < 1299684298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a relation, i mean a subset of a cartesian product < 1299684316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1299684322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym stdlib.relation < 1299684337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prelude.relation < 1299684377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO MADE A MODULE SYSTEM FOR MATH < 1299684381 0 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-40-244.frgo.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299684426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the difference between a relation and a set? < 1299684437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1299684452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a relation can have any arity, i still don't know what your definition is < 1299684466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always taken sets as axiomatic < 1299684547 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299684569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do you call a subset of a cartesian product then? < 1299684578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions are not relations? < 1299684581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of predicates, i guess < 1299684591 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299684598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1299684697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is my understanding predicates are something more technical than sets, and i do not speak of them because i don't have any idea what they are < 1299684765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the fundamental stuff is pretty trivial and stupid, but i would certainly like to learn that stuff < 1299684939 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11243595 < 1299684941 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 BBC < 1299684950 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it's binding too < 1299684953 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1299684999 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so england is getting into a rotten-boroughs like situation again? < 1299685002 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altho' without the bribes < 1299685039 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299685047 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the issue that fptp sucks < 1299685288 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool typo in the article < 1299685298 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling switching to AV will cost more than $156 < 1299685303 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops wrong key < 1299685306 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£156 < 1299685512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299685524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1299685525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gone < 1299687603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299687842 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299688616 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299688976 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299688984 0 :Behold!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1299688986 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299688987 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299689749 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299689759 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can poll(2) be used to detect changes to named semaphores? < 1299689853 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299689919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:06:07 cheater00, BTW, I decided to do my own thing. While I'm not thrilled with the outcome, I'm pretty sure I like it better than the probable outcome of doing what you suggested < 1299689920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:07:07 Sgeo: are you trying to prove you're a non-lobotomised human with own thoughts? < 1299689920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:07:44 Sgeo: i'm asking because it's the third or fourth time you're mentioning you'll do something else, and it seems like over-compensating. < 1299689924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: troll. feeding. stop. < 1299689996 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can poll(2) be used to detect a change in a list of named semaphores? i can't seem to find an answer to this question anywhere. < 1299690024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: dunno, I tend to avoid bugs like that (POSIX anythings) < 1299690037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um do semaphors actually have fds? < 1299690040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*semaphores < 1299690043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh named < 1299690043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1299690056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "poll() performs a similar task to select(2): it waits for one of a set of file descriptors to become ready to perform I/O." < 1299690060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: do read() and write() work on them? < 1299690108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:37:26 I fear the strategy shown there may have actually broken BF Joust somewhat, it appears to be more or less completely fatal to defence programs < 1299690108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299690121 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't know. i only know that the sem_ functions work on them. i suppose you could always read a semaphores value though. < 1299690138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott! < 1299690145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hiiiii < 1299690150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then it might work. TIAS. < 1299690150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't worry, I thought of a way to defend against them on the way home < 1299690155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: phew < 1299690155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure it's practical, at least it exists < 1299690177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm still worried it may make defence programs not really worth it < 1299690180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need aoc to prove its existance < 1299690202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you trolling with this "BF JOUST CAN'T POSSIBLY WORK" stuff in the logs :) < 1299690205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, if it drives defence programs out of existence, there'll be no reason to use it, especially as it makes you weaker against opposing non-defence programs < 1299690208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really < 1299690212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it at all < 1299690218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think he just made the same mistake as Gregor < 1299690226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's trivial to beat any given program, but you don't just play against one program < 1299690228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. concluding that a game in which there was a counter to every strategy wasn't interesting < 1299690230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you play against an entire hill < 1299690245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't just target one, because everything else will beat you < 1299690247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my opinions are the other way round, games in which there's a strategy that can't be countered aren't interesting! < 1299690287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think a random program will beat every program with equal probability, as long as it's the correct kind of random < 1299690291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe there's no such kind < 1299690295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't < 1299690297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no < 1299690306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random program would lose to even a very simple attacker < 1299690319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to not aiming for a win condition, whereas the attacker would be < 1299690327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, what if it's the kind of random that only produces your unbeatable program? < 1299690335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying a random bf program wins everything < 1299690344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#2011 you may want to read the defend13, furry_furry_leather_discipline_girls and -strapon_pegging_girls, and waterfall3 entries < 1299690349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying something really vague and meaningless < 1299690350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program isn't unbeatable, it just wins against everything on the hill atm < 1299690359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also allegro, current top of the egobot hill, but without explanation < 1299690374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I am seeing worrying centralisation; slowpoke, space_elevator, and FFSPG are quite similar < 1299690381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the details are different < 1299690397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing about slowpoke is that it was beating all but 3 programs more or less immediately upon writing it < 1299690404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then beat all the rest with merely bugfixes < 1299690407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah i would have told oklopol to read the space_elevator entry but nobody will ever write one < 1299690416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, shrink your waterfall3 description, it's tl;dr verbose :) < 1299690421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some constant-tweaking, but only for increasing the victory margin < 1299690421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (quintopia wanted to put it in a spoiler block) < 1299690427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh < 1299690450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is, any abbreviation would come to "Tries lots of different locks, trying a new one every time a previous one fails" < 1299690458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't particularly informative < 1299690467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason it's so long is that it has so many control paths, all of which do different things < 1299690485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the cycle limit? < 1299690486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:25:57 coppro: oh, btw, there are some signs of that voting reform thing in the UK; I haven't heard anything about it officially or on the news, but I've seen a couple of adverts trying to persuade me to vote in a particular way on AV < 1299690487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV is just instant-runoff < 1299690503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus far superior to first-past-the-post < 1299690510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but I'd heard multiple definitions of instant-runoff < 1299690513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting :-P < 1299690523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I still need to see the details to be convinced that the way it's implemented isn't insane < 1299690539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can't be any more insane than our current system. < 1299690549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure how the government could mess it up, but am not convinced that they won't find a way anyway < 1299690555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:29:56 gah at LtU/proggit claiming that HTML5/CSS3 is TC based on a finite rule 110 example < 1299690555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:30:06 rule 110 is only TC if given an infinitely long initialisation < 1299690555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1299690563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened, LtU :( < 1299690586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re Java' and Java'': remove them, they're not even fleshed out/coherent enough to be joke language entries < 1299690606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or add [[Category:Shameful]] < 1299690611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299690617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which -- ha -- has still avoided Graue rage < 1299690639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding [[Category:Shameful]] is a good idea, but someone else can do that < 1299690651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's add it to every BF derivative < 1299690652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including BF < 1299690670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that incident (the CSS rule 110) made me register a reddit account just to try to correct people < 1299690677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have made it a novelty account, really < 1299690685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your_system_is_not_turing_complete or something < 1299690688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Turing_Completeness_Does_Not_Work_That_Way? :p < 1299690693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst novelty account ever < 1299690703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION immediately buys ais523 reddit gold (not really)
< 1299690711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :36 months of it for $89.97! < 1299690726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow at the reply to http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g0d5g/breaking_news_html5css3_is_turing_complete/c1k03fg?context=3 < 1299690730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebForms 2: TURING COMPLETE < 1299690762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:42:24 ais523, ehird: I consider it your duty to explain to people why this doesn't suck < 1299690762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:42:30 and try to get as many votes for it as possible < 1299690762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:42:39 people are dumb and will probably naturally oppose it < 1299690768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is reddit gold anyway? < 1299690771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the standard propaganda against is "ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE: THAT'S DEMOCRACY!" < 1299690790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, the adverts here are mostly along the lines of "it's too expensive and won't make any difference" < 1299690792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Condé Nast's desperate attempt at making money off its unwise purchase < 1299690795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*republicacy < 1299690809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We plan to continually add features over time. Right now we're offering: < 1299690809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A trophy on your userpage < 1299690809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ability to turn off sidebar ads, sponsored links, both, or neither < 1299690809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The option of seeing twice as many comments at once without having to click "load more comments" < 1299690809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New comment highlighting: see what's been posted since the last time you visited a thread < 1299690810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friends with Benefits™ -- you can add notes to your friends to help you keep track of them all < 1299690812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Access to a super-secret members-only community that may or may not exist < 1299690816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thank-you note < 1299690856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def worth the moneys < 1299690884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of slashdot subscriptions < 1299690903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know how to ensure AV passes! < 1299690919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is, on slashdot the main subscription-only feature (turning off adverts) is available to anyone with sufficient karma < 1299690929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the Overton window: run adverts advocating stochastic elections < 1299690940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediately, AV seems like the most safe, comforting system on the planet < 1299690957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1299690967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though stochastic elections would probably produce better results in practice? < 1299690971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1299690998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe it's an Actual Theorem Fact(TM) that the only system where voting for your true preference is always the rational decision is stochastic elections) < 1299691006 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My advisor points out that if you speak French better than you speak typography lingo, then "Comic Sans" reads as "not funny" < 1299691018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Sans as typography lingo... I weep < 1299691027 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sans" as typography lingo < 1299691032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:58 and i love hitler, but love isn't transitive. < 1299691032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:55:28 oh how i wish it was commutative :'( < 1299691032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:55:56 i don't actually wish that but that what a poetic thing to say. < 1299691042 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since of course it just means "without", but is implied to mean sans serif. < 1299691044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that what a poetic thing to say, oklopol. < 1299691049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay, FONTophile < 1299691056 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeah. < 1299691062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:57:20 oklopol: itym symmetric < 1299691062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:57:32 yes! < 1299691062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:57:38 well not necessarily < 1299691062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:57:43 commutative works too < 1299691062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:57:51 but maybe i should specify a bit more then < 1299691063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:57:54 um this is a relation not an operator < 1299691065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:58:11 why not < 1299691067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:58:17 i'll just union with bools < 1299691069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:58:31 right eh? :DSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1299691071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't paste all of this < 1299691072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ( < 1299691073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too funny < 1299691075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but too long < 1299691078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ) < 1299691120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made oerjan leave by asking him about predicate logic in pm :( < 1299691125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he doesn't like me anymore < 1299691127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22:20 cool typo in the article < 1299691127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22:30 I have a feeling switching to AV will cost more than $156 < 1299691127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22:35 whoops wrong key < 1299691127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22:37 £156 < 1299691135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: nah, that's like $384,172,489,189 < 1299691137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe predicate logic is his one weakness < 1299691150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it is < 1299691156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's crying now < 1299691239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: terrifying idea: get zzo38 to play Agora < 1299691297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this asbestos thing, is it all a big hoax? we rented this... thing, and there are these asbestos pipes that are rather decayed, and people have drilled huge holes in them < 1299691316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's a big hoax, if hoax is defined as absolutely not a hoax < 1299691324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm scared that you can't think of a better word than "thing". < 1299691343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we rented an official office < 1299691353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299691359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much money do you bastards have anyway < 1299691370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we work, so... incredible amounts? < 1299691377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: asbestos particles in the air do gradual irreversible lung damage < 1299691378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNTOLD RICHES < 1299691386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's ok, oklopol is immune to lung damage < 1299691386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i manage to use about a fifth of my salary < 1299691391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solid asbestos in itself isn't dangerous unless something releases it into the air, I think < 1299691395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i get less salary than people usually do < 1299691396 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol has no lungs. < 1299691398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just allocate the rest to hookers and cocaine < 1299691402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full salary utilisation < 1299691411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: plausible < 1299691427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is a sophisticated chatterbot. < 1299691429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm aware, but to what extent? and is it enough to have pipes with a few holes? < 1299691448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you ever been sick < 1299691468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Nope. While this very clever person was able to create a Turing-complete machine in HTML and CSS, it doesn't run by itself. The user has to repeatedly click to step it." < 1299691469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have pointed the pipes out to many people in the building who should be in charge of this sort of thing, and they're like "oh, asbestos, right, maybe someone should do something about that." < 1299691475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't know either < 1299691475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so HTML/CSS is as powerful as a single regexp :P < 1299691475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm gonna go home now, have fun here" < 1299691479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with a "do it again" button < 1299691483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it can't grow < 1299691486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's less powerful < 1299691487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1299691487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1299691488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1299691492 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... HTML + CSS is TC? *brain axplote* < 1299691496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FFS < 1299691497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it isn't < 1299691502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both reddit and LtU are trying to claim it is < 1299691507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm trying to explain the holes in the proof < 1299691512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rule 110; not only do you have to click to step, but it's finite < 1299691514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, good :P < 1299691516 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It oughtn't to be :P < 1299691521 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's finite? BORING < 1299691529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a huge number, but the one I mentioned was the one that Wolfram got wrong in his own proof that a 2,5 machine was TC (it is, but the proof it was was wrong) < 1299691540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it isn't actually click to step < 1299691540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[20:05:18] oklopol: have you ever been sick" <<< yes, i'm sick occasionally < 1299691545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you step by pressing tab and space alternately < 1299691546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's press buttons to step < 1299691551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you sure?? < 1299691594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"keys", presumably < 1299691604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of buttons as referring to mice < 1299691627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i even had a headache today < 1299691634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wow < 1299691639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes yes < 1299691718 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-241.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299691726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299691728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to figure out what the worst program is, anyone have any opinions < 1299691815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, in general? < 1299691861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"worst program" needs to have some set of programs to find the worst of < 1299691866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean "all programs ever written"? < 1299691885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all programs in existence < 1299692026 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.09: 256k+3x128k+4x64k+2x32k to China, 2x256k to Malaysia, 64k+8k+/32 to South Korea, 16k to Singapore, 4k to Taiwan, 4k+2k to Japan, 4k+1k+2x/32+/48 to Australia, 512+/48 to Indonesia, < 1299692071 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimTunes < 1299692091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, not sure < 1299692098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: either all programs that anyone uses any more, or all programs ever written < 1299692099 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Rigs < 1299692106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and badness is defined by the amount of pain it causes < 1299692115 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing < 1299692118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a really blandly terrible program doesn't really count as worse < 1299692120 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is fizzie :( < 1299692123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody will bother using it < 1299692138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my contender is X11, because every Unix user has to deal with it :) < 1299692181 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even close, X11 nowadays is basically just bloated by history, you can do SO MUCH WORSE. < 1299692199 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to go with with...the entire windows operating system. it causes pain to far more people. < 1299692262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh, no, X11 was pretty thoroughly terrible from the start. :p < 1299692280 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BlahblahblahIwurvetrollingXyaaay < 1299692292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hmm, does Windows cause the problems, or does the malware? < 1299692313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: you prolly know everything about asbestos btw? < 1299692334 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's the difference again? < 1299692350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: har har har < 1299692369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You don't pay for the malware", isn't that the canonical response? < 1299692412 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Not really... But you can ask. < 1299692433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i55.tinypic.com/140j8js.png here's the pipe in question < 1299692468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: mainly, should we be at all worried about asbestos pipes that are in very bad shape, or only if we actually start cutting them < 1299692485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can imagine balls may fly at them etc < 1299692512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that pipe looks like THE SAFEST THING < 1299692519 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Only if you start cutting them. < 1299692550 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course, if they are in very bad shape, soon somebody might start cutting them. :-/ < 1299692565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: did you look at the picture? :P < 1299692584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you touch that thing and all kinds of stuff falls down < 1299692634 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What falls down is likely just paint. < 1299692647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299692659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asbestopaint < 1299692670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second question, that doesn't look very professionally done, is there a chance of redidual dust stuff still being in the air? < 1299692679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. there is all the chances. < 1299692695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them. < 1299692702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even after X years, where X can be determined to be rather big from the pic < 1299692720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the air changes all the time, and the particles are practically weightless < 1299692733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL < 1299692734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE CHANCES < 1299692739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chances... are not bounded. < 1299692749 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can get a lot of money suing if you contract mesothelioma < 1299692751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's clear that they leave, but if you had 3% of them originally, and say 0.000001% is fatal, then again hard to say. < 1299692764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: didn't you hear < 1299692767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he already has all the money. < 1299692773 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, on the other hand, having that condition is probably not worth that money < 1299692777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm sure i'll be have all the money i need in 10-40 years < 1299692788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you'll see the first symptoms < 1299692805 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no you have all the money. all the ZWD in zimbabwe! < 1299692809 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never heard of asbestos paint. Asbestos generally isn't used that way. < 1299692811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE HAS ALL THE MONEY. < 1299692821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poverty isn't real. < 1299692832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asbestos is used in all kinds of stuff afaiu < 1299692836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : APNIC down 0.09 [...] <-- compared to when? < 1299692841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in walls, in pipes, in glues < 1299692842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason tey call it as-best-os < 1299692845 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday. < 1299692852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, okay that's pretty large < 1299692855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they < 1299692856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a city named something liek that < 1299692873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oklopol, is your os done yet, ubuntu is annoying < 1299692874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this van of AsBestMen in the parking lot of that place :P < 1299692883 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone has all the money, how come bill gates gets to decide what to do with so much of it, and i get to decide what to do with so little of it? < 1299692886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not any longer. At least in Sweden it has been banned for new installations for several years. < 1299692892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you just have to use all the money. < 1299692914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: here too i think, but it's still in use in practically every building that's done before 90's < 1299692925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially 60-70 < 1299692935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)before that there was no buildings probably) < 1299692936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so oklopol, is your os done yet, ubuntu is annoying <-- he is making one? But surely you would only find your own one usable? < 1299692938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*( < 1299692946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yeah same < 1299692949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm making one with fine fine progress < 1299692958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he pretended he was going to make one years ago ;D < 1299692965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, it'd be close enough. to develop @ on. < 1299692979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : )before that there was no buildings probably) < 1299692979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299692996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when were buildings invented anyway? < 1299692996 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is @ again? < 1299693002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: he pretended he was going to make one years ago ;D <-- sounds familiar... hm... Oh wait, I was thinking of you... < 1299693025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a lot of theoretical progress on my os < 1299693074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nice. I don't remember what made your OS different from previous ones. Could you please mention the main points of it? < 1299693075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the best OS possible < 1299693090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was oklotalk and you just manipulated objects from the interwebs. < 1299693090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1299693092 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the best at achieving which goals? < 1299693093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(had to try and do it in one sentence) < 1299693094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well you know, perfection and stuff. < 1299693097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some accuracy may be lost) < 1299693099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: all goals. < 1299693101 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, heh < 1299693121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and that is why it fails. You have god damn first system syndrome. < 1299693129 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: buildings go back to 7000BCE at least, iirc? < 1299693135 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: will it get me sex with all the best-looking ladies? < 1299693135 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Looks like that pipe leaks a bit around the valve and that's the reason why that paint has peeled away. < 1299693141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes. < 1299693143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only programming goal atm is to make a nice text editor < 1299693147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no i don't, i just haven't put in all the things that break it < 1299693158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hey i did that a while ago :/ < 1299693167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wss awesome but i never finished. also, you'd probably hate it. < 1299693169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, such as? < 1299693175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: almost everything < 1299693191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so it is a minimalist OS? < 1299693213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you probably didn't make the kind of text editor i want < 1299693221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://tunes.org/ <-- let a web server spend hours talking to you instead < 1299693223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough. < 1299693228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not interested in going into detail on that < 1299693235 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: apparently, buildings go at least 42k years back < 1299693240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not really a top priority < 1299693255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was just a big window of text where every single change got saved automatically, it indented for you, and it made the file all pretty colours. < 1299693260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: i don't do si, is 42k before or after the 60's? < 1299693260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty much perfect < 1299693277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's kind of 90. < 1299693278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s < 1299693288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is more like 42k's < 1299693293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, most 90s editors had menus and toolbars and shit < 1299693298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol < 1299693300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stuff < 1299693304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahaha < 1299693305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noobs < 1299693330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: perhaps, perhaps. the surface under the brown stuff doesn't really look very nice and smooth irl tho < 1299693338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the other features of mine were: non-stupid searching, and you can run some code to do all your boring editing for you :P < 1299693343 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: scholarly consensus is that Elvis may indeed have left some building at some point < 1299693343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs regexps when you can just use the language's regexp lib < 1299693347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*regexp search/replace < 1299693358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need is a text area, a mode line and a minibuffer < 1299693381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minibuffers are useless < 1299693382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mode lines are useless < 1299693388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's still kind of 50's compared to mine < 1299693397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yah, i'm old skool < 1299693401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine just has manual editing + magic < 1299693404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: really though, who needs any better until @ exists < 1299693405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the magic < 1299693410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the great part < 1299693418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure myself either < 1299693421 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how would you do auto completion in a vt? Pop ups would be kind of messy there < 1299693432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vts are useless < 1299693438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :popups are bad < 1299693449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you should do is just morph the bottom of the screen into the appropriate input form as required. < 1299693452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with popups I meant like auto completion menus in GUI IDEs < 1299693456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299693458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like a minibuffer on crack, except not there 99% of the time < 1299693468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for completion, sure, you can do that with an intellisense-kinda thing, but whatever, I don't use completion < 1299693469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right. Basically auto-hiding mini buffer < 1299693473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds sensible < 1299693475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, minibuffer just does one line of text < 1299693481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of < 1299693484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL SEARCH WHAT: ...[RET] < 1299693487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL REPLACE WITH WHAT: ...[RET] < 1299693490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just be < 1299693491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Emacs minibuffer grows to multiple lines if necessary nowadays < 1299693496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yep < 1299693496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL SEARCH: [ ] < 1299693500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL REPLACE: [ ] < 1299693501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its definition of "necessary" is rather restrited < 1299693504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*restricted < 1299693517 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, mutli-line auto hiding mini buffer. Sure. < 1299693528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not about multiline < 1299693537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1299693545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's text boxes, that's like saying a preferences dialogue is jus ta bunch of lines < 1299693546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best text editor would be one where you just hit random keys and magically: the correct thing happens < 1299693548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even make any sense < 1299693549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm aiming for this < 1299693552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be checkboxes too for instance. < 1299693557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh. Depends on the dialog. < 1299693560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "[ ] Case-insensitive" < 1299693563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just another input line? no. < 1299693567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, emacs customisation stuff is just a bunch of lines < 1299693589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:40:17] the best text editor would be one where you just hit random keys and magically: the correct thing happens < 1299693589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:40:19] that doesn't even make any sense < 1299693589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:40:20] i'm aiming for this < 1299693594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should've said the elliott part too < 1299693595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I seen such check boxes in ncurses or similar :P < 1299693608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol < 1299693648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also how my os works < 1299693650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [20:40:17] the best text editor would be one where you just hit random keys and magically: the correct thing happens <-- why hit keys at all? I suggest you aim further! It should just make stuff make sense without any input < 1299693660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol, that's impossible < 1299693669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be stupid < 1299693673 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not more so than your :P < 1299693683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone ban this retrad < 1299693687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299693690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so that mind-interface thing < 1299693692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever lern it < 1299693696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299693698 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but you can still do better. have your text editor interface with a webcam. images of the user's face are sufficient input, no? < 1299693699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, learn* < 1299693705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1299693706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern < 1299693713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no when i realized mine was broken and that i was too lazy to send it back, i sort of stopped playing with it < 1299693716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey you correct my spelling quite often < 1299693722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm spelung how i want < 1299693726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was broken? < 1299693732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so will I then < 1299693734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only two of the sensors work, and i didn't exactly want any extra challenge < 1299693746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: maybe you're just not trying hard enough < 1299693753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway that'd be a better edit interface < 1299693756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think things, magic happens < 1299693760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[20:42:49] oklopol: but you can still do better. have your text editor interface with a webcam. images of the user's face are sufficient input, no?" <<< yeah but i don't like showing my face to my underlings < 1299693775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By installing Java, you will bea ble to experience the power of Java, brought to you by Oracle." < 1299693823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be able < 1299693827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still there \o/ < 1299693828 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   | < 1299693828 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  /< < 1299693868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vN3FoMQ < 1299694266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can i have infinite memory? < 1299694284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: . < 1299694329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: thx < 1299694351 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i can. i have a stick of RAM with infinitely many bytes, but each byte is half as wide as the preceding one. < 1299694360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: DDR3? < 1299694366 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1299694388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'll take it < 1299694404 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't use it because i don't know what to do with 2^-1024 of a bit. :/ < 1299694668 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299694698 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299694726 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-236-171.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299695031 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299695096 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299695302 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299695489 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299695964 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1652618 < 1299696137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: random c generator again? < 1299696154 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to improve it < 1299696163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: please, please write a function to breed two C expressions, and then evolutionify it < 1299696185 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be cool < 1299696210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: try and generate fibonacci :) < 1299696217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe remove pointers first though, to give it an easier time < 1299696697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nooga: please, please write a function to breed two C expressions, and then evolutionify it <-- would be cool but *how*? < 1299696713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just pick some arbitrary combination method :P < 1299696721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breeding linear stuff is much easier ofc < 1299696778 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh: https://github.com/elitheeli/oddities/blob/master/rule110-grid.html < 1299696780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, genetic algorithms are hard to get right even for linear stuff (lots of fudge factors such as population size, mutation rate, and so on). Your suggestion is near impossible. < 1299696794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um, it's not like genetic programming isn't done. < 1299696804 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. But not on C code! < 1299696807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we've seen; it does not prove TCness of anything < 1299696817 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, whatever < 1299696821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not only is it finite, but you have to manually step onwards (by that metric, a single regexp is TC) < 1299696885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you sure manually stepping forward a regex would be TC? < 1299696926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can do a BCT step in one regexp... or was it three, anyway, same thing < 1299696929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterated regexp = TC < 1299696938 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299696942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh. Nice. < 1299696960 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299697017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what was that very short code you had for clearing the vga text screen? < 1299697067 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something involving rep stosd? < 1299697082 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/gRUV This boots the operating system too, after clearing the screen. < 1299697104 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually it write "p" but you can change it to make it black instead) < 1299697110 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or any other color) < 1299697115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1299697151 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It does involve repeat STOSB < 1299697238 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why do you need this? < 1299697257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for my one-sector Forth < 1299697260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clear out the screen < 1299697264 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're in real mode, maybe there's a bios call for clearing the screen < 1299697269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think there is < 1299697272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguable whether it's shorter, though < 1299697281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there a short way to say "move this variable to the next multiple of 80"? < 1299697284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*register < 1299697285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not variable < 1299697287 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set ax, int foo, should be pretty short < 1299697292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than div, add < 1299697321 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the AAM and AAD instructions help? < 1299697366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe < 1299697369 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you can use BIOS calls for a lot of things, and you should not need any mode other than real mode. < 1299697414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: looks like the bios clear screen call takes a ton of parameters < 1299697431 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad... < 1299697474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, didn't you say 510 bytes? Isn't a sector 512 bytes? < 1299697506 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2 kast bytes must be the correct magic < 1299697509 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*last < 1299697514 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1299697530 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, to boot from the disk. < 1299697556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, doesn't it have to contain a MBR as well+ < 1299697558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/ < 1299697564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299697565 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it *is* an MBR < 1299697566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for a hard disk < 1299697569 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299697570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1299697577 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just the last 2 bytes are necessary for the BIOS to boot from it. < 1299697588 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you mean a partition table? no, only if you use partitions :) < 1299697588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god I hate the PC architecture < 1299697591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is such a mean < 1299697597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mess* < 1299697601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo < 1299697621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if I pack after displaying, then the code is two bytes shorter < 1299697624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but OTOH, everything shows as normal ascii < 1299697632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have no idea how your word is being tortured :) < 1299697651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's why you should run @/Reduceron < 1299697665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, awesome... < 1299697678 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess as long as it is still being unique/OK it can work like packing like that < 1299697682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, You made a suggestion where one component is technically not vaporware! < 1299697693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1299697726 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just use low six bits for packing, and it should be enough, no add/subtraction is necessary. < 1299697764 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and punctuation can be used with no difficulty) < 1299697794 0 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299697794 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299697795 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1299697810 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you still want to subtract to get rid of the first 32 characters? the control codes and stuff < 1299697822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now it isn't working :( < 1299697826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: subtracting 64 < 1299697833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ! I'm going to use ^ :-) < 1299697836 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If you pack only after displaying, no need to subtract anything. < 1299697838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(storing 5 bits) < 1299697843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not sure what to use for : and ; though < 1299697895 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are using 0x40 to 0x5F? OK. Perhaps then use [[ and ]] instead of : and ; < 1299697911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that could work; except I'm doing it colorForth style, so : and ; don't necessarily balance < 1299697917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might use _ for ; < 1299697919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and ` could be : < 1299697930 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1299697933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` hello if _ then loop < 1299697948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same as normal forth : hello if else loop then ; ) < 1299697955 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ` and , if those are in range? < 1299697960 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more symmetric < 1299697963 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, is not in range < 1299697966 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh! < 1299697983 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor is ` < 1299698011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` is < 1299698015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1299698019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I typed it :) < 1299698021 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't in range < 1299698022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait no it's not... < 1299698044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the punctuation is < 1299698046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@[\]^_ < 1299698047 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1299698055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ hello if _ then loop < 1299698059 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, that is correct. < 1299698062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is normal forth ! < 1299698063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is @ < 1299698069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then only [ and ] are left < 1299698072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that should be enough < 1299698087 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are commands [ and ] in Forth, although they are not needed in colorForth. < 1299698100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299698118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.cornell.edu/talc/ typed assembly language! < 1299698129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it'd be cool to have an assembler where the registers a subroutine clobbers are part of its type < 1299698154 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually if it is like colorForth then : is not needed either because you can change the color. Although maybe your system does not do that. I don't know yet. < 1299698241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do not have colour; really in colorForth the colour is just invisible mode switching words < 1299698253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's simpler to have the words themselves when aiming for speed. < 1299698266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ will simply, upon seeing another \, finalise the word it is creating, and go on to the next one < 1299698279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is like that. So, then you can just have the words themself. But then you would need something to switch out of compile mode. < 1299698293 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use normal Forth [ and ] then you can just use [ to switch out of compile mode < 1299698316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1299698328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps \ will simply return when it sees [ < 1299698353 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299698363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan. < 1299698369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1299698370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1299698377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lolwat < 1299698464 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299698517 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299698535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ah, 0x0a < 1299698540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov al, char... < 1299698543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, bios would involve clobbering < 1299698803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299698813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov dword: possibly not actually space-saving in 16-bit code! :P < 1299698834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "char" a literal here? Because "mov ax, 0x0a00|char" is probably a byte shorter in 16-bit code. < 1299698840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/literal/constant/ < 1299698857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's not. < 1299698859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I gave up on that avenue anyway. < 1299698860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299698863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directly writing to VGA memory is shorter. < 1299698868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ; greet with "FRTH\n" < 1299698868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov dword [es:0], 0x07520746 < 1299698868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov dword [es:4], 0x07480754 < 1299698868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov di, 80 < 1299698872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's what i'm currently trying to shrink :P < 1299698894 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-211.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299698900 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use di to point to vga memory, use string-writing? < 1299698908 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stosw, that is < 1299698919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hmm... might work, but i dunno, those movs are only a few bytes < 1299698924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14 0000000D 2666C7060000460752- mov dword [es:0], 0x07520746 < 1299698924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15 00000016 07 < 1299698924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16 00000017 2666C7060400540748- mov dword [es:4], 0x07480754 < 1299698924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17 00000020 07 < 1299698930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually it'd be cool to have an assembler where the registers a subroutine clobbers are part of its type <-- nice idea < 1299698931 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg huge! < 1299698937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: actually I use di to point to vga memory position / 2; si is di*2 in my read word routine < 1299698941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can write to [es:si] < 1299698960 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is di divided by two instead of being a usable memory offset? < 1299698971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could possibly have some sort of "automatically assign register to this bit" then that you would look at things you call < 1299698978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ...good question, I think I used di for something else at one point < 1299699013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2666C706000046075207 is quite an enormous opcode; that 4-byte offset and 4-byte immediate value is quite a winner. < 1299699015 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a series of mov al,52; stosw; mov al,y; stosw might be shorter than all of that < 1299699024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@elliott-MacBookAir:~/Code/sixth$ make >/dev/null; wc -c sixth.o < 1299699024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 sixth.o < 1299699024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@elliott-MacBookAir:~/Code/sixth$ make >/dev/null; wc -c sixth.o < 1299699024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 sixth.o < 1299699026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for olsner < 1299699059 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lodsb would work if it's an actual constant and you can affort to make ds:si point to it < 1299699072 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps instead of "FRTH\n" just display "ok" on the screen. That would probably make it shorter. < 1299699077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I can't really afford that :P < 1299699079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, good idea :P < 1299699086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cheating way out! < 1299699093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can even have a "display ok" routine. :p < 1299699096 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a prompt? < 1299699102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1299699104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my Forth? < 1299699116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; the "ok" at the end of the previous line is the prompt :P < 1299699136 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn that into "> " and you don't even need a newline :P < 1299699142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ew so anti-Forthy. < 1299699152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'd still have to increment si by four :P < 1299699165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah < 1299699166 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1299699186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate x86 and I hate the PC platform. < 1299699190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are crap < 1299699210 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you do "> " then you will need a newline before it, but not after it. < 1299699212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ha ha, you've fallen into The Trap < 1299699215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't *need* the newline with the traditional "ok" prompt either, it's just a quality-of-implementation issue. < 1299699221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not long until you're complaining that every OS sucks < 1299699225 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increment SI by four. Four INC SI's would be 4 bytes. ADD SI, 4 might be shorter. < 1299699227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have held this opinion for a long time... < 1299699235 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add si,4 should be two bytes < 1299699237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but you're going to start bothering everyone else with it, like me >:D < 1299699240 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228063110.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299699245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not really < 1299699257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in my case, I do need a newline because I don't do screen wrapping :) < 1299699265 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Vorpal is just hopping on the PC-hating bandwagon < 1299699270 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299699273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who isn't on that bandwagon < 1299699274 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he even written a boot sector? :P < 1299699282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, did that ages ago. < 1299699286 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1299699289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that bandwagon < 1299699291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1299699293 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ^ < 1299699294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pc is the worst thing ever. < 1299699299 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then I can finally take your hate seriously < 1299699302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and no I never written a boot sector < 1299699307 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! you liar < 1299699314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think Vorpal is just hopping on the PC-hating bandwagon olsner, did that ages ago. < 1299699316 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I answered to the "hopping on" line < 1299699317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, that bandwagon < 1299699322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : err < 1299699322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner, ^ < 1299699323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, exactly < 1299699336 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your hate is feeble and conformist < 1299699358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I know enough about the boot sector to decide to not write one. < 1299699359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i've written like three boot sectors, and small parts of post-boot-sector asm code, and know the basic principles... i still hate the pc, can i have a cookie? < 1299699374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: meh, it's just freestanding asm code < 1299699376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even freestanding < 1299699381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're running on the comfortable OS known as "BIOS" < 1299699382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Does it count if the boot sector just writes out a dirty message on screen? < 1299699394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but if I did write one I would put a "load n sectors after MBR and jump there" bit into the MBR. < 1299699396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299699400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BIOS is more fully-featured than DOS < 1299699400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1299699404 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, then after jumping there I would go into protected mode < 1299699404 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess it counts, but only a little :) < 1299699414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner, but if I did write one I would put a "load n sectors after MBR and jump there" bit into the MBR. < 1299699417 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how bloated < 1299699419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT A RADICAL THING TO PUT IN A BOOT SECTOR < 1299699438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe that is what grub does though < 1299699439 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the MOST CREATIVE place to put a boot loader :P < 1299699440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many other ones < 1299699447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1299699449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div si, 80 < 1299699450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add si, 80 < 1299699451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not valid < 1299699455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is x86 not orthogonal. < 1299699465 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the aam cheat instead of div < 1299699466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and sure it is bloated. But only because x86 sucks < 1299699470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't know the aam cheat ;D < 1299699501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, it's undocumented < 1299699513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also as you said before: yes most OS are crap. But I think writing my own would be too much work. And the theoretical good ones aren't practical for everyday use. I'm afraid I'm a bit pragmatic here. < 1299699515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is quite a little you can div/idiv. < 1299699523 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it's completely applicable, it seems to work on al only < 1299699530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: meh, all you need is a good OS + an emulation layer < 1299699547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : why is x86 not orthogonal. <-- most CPUs aren't? < 1299699547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: something that can run a POSIX kernel and multiplex the IO streams it offers to the rest of the system < 1299699564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the kernel running at a lower privilege level) < 1299699596 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just be glad you don't have to divide manually :P < 1299699605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, "mov al, si" isn't valid < 1299699606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299699607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ax < 1299699609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, most systems have some parts that aren't completely orthogonal. < 1299699616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hey i wrote a few bytes of 6502 asm once! < 1299699620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't quite see the appeal. < 1299699622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a bug < 1299699636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, usually it is because it would become bloated on the silicon level < 1299699636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"div ax, 80" < 1299699639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THIS NOT VALID < 1299699640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1299699653 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299699672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1299699675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div just takes one operand. < 1299699676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. < 1299699678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also re GRUB (pre-2), it has a "stage 1" which fits in a MBR (even with a partition table), and the typical way to set it up indeed is to load "stage 1.5" from the 60-odd immediately following sectors; then that code will load the "stage 2" which can be in a place that gets moved. < 1299699681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ax. okay. < 1299699683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is such bullshit. < 1299699685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err? is the register it operates fixed? < 1299699689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can never divide anything else than dx:ax. < 1299699701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right. How does grub 2 do it? < 1299699706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not true < 1299699708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 byte divisor = ax < 1299699718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also re GRUB (pre-2), it has a "stage 1" which fits in a MBR (even with a partition table), and the typical way to set it up indeed is to load "stage 1.5" from the 60-odd immediately following sectors; then that code will load the "stage 2" which can be in a place that gets moved. < 1299699719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, or edx:eax or rdx:rax, yes. But still.) < 1299699719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60-odd?! < 1299699723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it use up so many < 1299699736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it contains file system reading code iirc < 1299699737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think stage 1.5 is about 30k, yes; it has the filesystem drivers and so on. < 1299699754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is why unlike lilo you don't need to run a command as soon as you installed a new kernel < 1299699777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: doesn't need 60 sectors. < 1299699778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{ < 1299699783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to read ext4? < 1299699790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1299699791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext4 sucks < 1299699792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though wait, only grub2 does that iirc < 1299699793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all filesystems suck < 1299699794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub sucks < 1299699795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext3 then < 1299699798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 sucks < 1299699799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcs suck < 1299699804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :electricity sucks < 1299699807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matter sucks < 1299699808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuums suck < 1299699811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299699813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess everything sucks < 1299699818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did you see my funny wordplay.) < 1299699820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, agree on x86 and pcs. Disagree on other statements. < 1299699826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuums < 1299699827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck < 1299699827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it < 1299699828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1299699829 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think GRUB 2 is quite similar, except the names have changed a bit. There's "boot.img" in the MBR, and that contains a fixed LBA48 sector address; it loads the first sector of "core.img", which then loads the rest of "core.img"; and at that point it can start loading modules from non-fixed locations. < 1299699829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuum cleaners < 1299699831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they suck < 1299699841 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah. I haven't switched yet < 1299699841 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you prefer ARM? Or something else? < 1299699858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I go by "don't mend what isn't broken" when it comes to bootloaders < 1299699870 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The core.img on this system is 23817 bytes. < 1299699878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey olsner, gimme some code to move si to the next multiple of 80 :) < 1299699892 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I only have ugly and verbose code for that < 1299699902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: non-ugly, non-verbose code please; thanks < 1299699902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well arm is a bit better than x86. PPC is quite nice in some respects. AVR is very nice apart from being Harvard (but then most SOC in that "class" are) < 1299699914 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move the registers, use the hideous div thing, mess around some more, and you end up with stuff < 1299699924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate PIC12-series asm < 1299699930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is worse than x86 < 1299699972 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: one idea, if you have a spare register (!), is to just store the next 80-multiple somewhere < 1299699984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:59:35 i made oerjan leave by asking him about predicate logic in pm :( < 1299699988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:59:39 i think he doesn't like me anymore < 1299700000 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: When I make a new kind of computer, I can decide what kind of processor to use. Such as ARM, or PPC, or whatever. < 1299700008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually internet crashed for a moment back then. < 1299700030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: spare register... maaaybe < 1299700036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, when you suggest orthogonal instruction sets... Does that mean you hate RISC? < 1299700044 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you need to support several 80-multiples from the beginning of the last line you started, save the last one and have a loop to move forward until you've gone past the writing pointer < 1299700051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this was the universe's way of sparing me from having to explain. < 1299700058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you mean because risc can't do shit to ram? < 1299700063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: one idea, if you have a spare register (!), is to just store the next 80-multiple somewhere <-- spare register on x86 in 16-bit mode? I laugh in scorn. < 1299700068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw, because you just need to omit the [] notation from the assembler < 1299700069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep < 1299700069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: one idea, if you have a spare register (!), is to just store the next 80-multiple somewhere <-- spare register on x86 in 16-bit mode? I laugh in scorn. < 1299700071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dude, it's forth < 1299700073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the stack for everything :D < 1299700079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, true < 1299700085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I do hope someone already complained about the Ego-lack while you were here and active. < 1299700091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only register i need is basically < 1299700092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one < 1299700094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to store the data stack location < 1299700100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[22:28:03] actually internet crashed for a moment back then." <<< good save < 1299700106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another one < 1299700109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to store the screen position < 1299700114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i suppose we can continue now < 1299700116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, two technically. Though you get the other one for free. < 1299700118 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the (e)bp register has shorter opcodes for reading at offsets < 1299700122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh three then < 1299700123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1299700141 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. possibly suitable for the other stack) < 1299700150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I refer to whatever eip/rip is called in 16-bit mode (I forgot) < 1299700161 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip, duh < 1299700162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO: a good architecture should have only one mode < 1299700173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be it 8, 16, 32 or 64-bit < 1299700178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should stick to one. < 1299700190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially what x86 does is a major mess < 1299700226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think it's any shorter than the other valid registers (si, di, bx); the only difference I think is that plain [bp] is still encoded with a useless single-byte offset of 0, because what would "logically" be [bp] is in fact an absolute 16-bit displacement. < 1299700228 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, I wonder what'd have happened if intel said "hey, we have a new low-cost 64-bit microprocessor for that PC XT thing you're building" < 1299700240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: you mean because risc can't do shit to ram? elliott, yep <-- then that convo died. < 1299700249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: time travel! < 1299700252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no it did not < 1299700252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm interested in what you think about it < 1299700257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299700259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : naw, because you just need to omit the [] notation from the assembler < 1299700262 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't you need a SIB byte for non-bp registers? < 1299700268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is < 1299700269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1299700271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can put a name somewhere < 1299700273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like si or whatever < 1299700278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it should be able to go anywhere another name can go :) < 1299700282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can make like one exception, for the IP < 1299700284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything else... < 1299700297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about the status register? < 1299700300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, mov should be < 1299700313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also you can't really put a data label anywhere on a RISC. < 1299700316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov :: (dst:Writable) -> Readable -> [Clobbers dst] < 1299700317 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 16-bit doesn't even have a SIB byte does it? < 1299700318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets say: < 1299700319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1299700323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov eax, 42 < 1299700324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.data < 1299700325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov eax, ebx < 1299700325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: < 1299700327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov esi, eip < 1299700329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No; in 16-bit there's ModRM encodings for (exhaustive list) [{bx,bp}+{si,di}] and [{bx,bp,si,di}+N] with no, 8-bit and 16-bit N; and that's all. There are no values that'd use a SIB byte. < 1299700330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.byte 0x1 < 1299700334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ebx, 438593 < 1299700335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1299700338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that foo label can not be put everywhere < 1299700341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, see what I mean? < 1299700353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well. < 1299700356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure what you mean. < 1299700363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, you should have to load foo before accessing it, because it's in memory < 1299700371 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there! I found the table with 16-bit addressing modes in the manual < 1299700374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep. And thus it isn't really orthogonal. < 1299700416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lda :: (dst:Writable) -> Readable[Contains (addr:Address)] -> [Clobbers dst, Reads addr] < 1299700433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway if you do have a memory orthogonal system then it probably isn't really. Memory mapped IO registers tend to have strange limitations < 1299700435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sta :: Readable -> Readable[Contains (addr:Address)] -> [Writes addr] < 1299700456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299700458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I really want this assembler :) < 1299700463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if I could do it in Haskell < 1299700513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway what about branching instructions. They aren't orthogonal in general. They tend to depend on status flags in some sort of status register. < 1299700514 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299700520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lda :: (Writable dst, Readable src, ContainsAddress src addr, Clobbers r dst, Reads r addr) => dst -> src -> X86 r < 1299700522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. < 1299700582 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299700585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: WRITTEN THE SHORT ELEGANT CODE YET < 1299700608 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ARM has pretty orthogonal branching - every instruction is predicated, and so are jumps < 1299700609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Anyway, even in 32-bit mode you can use [{eax,ebx,ecx,edx,ebp,esi,edi}+N] with equally long encodings; it's just [esp+N] that you need a SIB byte for. < 1299700619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm true. < 1299700634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Except when you're working in THUMB mode, when all the pretty orthogonality goes down the drain again. < 1299700651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy, i broke things again < 1299700653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes that is one reason to dislike ARM. Multiple instruction modes. < 1299700702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not like you'd *have* to write Thumb code at all. < 1299700706 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's not a bad thing at all IMO - code that benefits from ARM instructions can use them, stuff that would better be smaller can use thumb < 1299700723 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's pretty easy to call back and forth (it's not like x86's instruction modes) < 1299700765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also something I dislike with x86: LEA < 1299700772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so weird really < 1299700772 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they've deprecated the direct JVM bytecode execution mode (Jazelle DBX) in favour of "ThumbEE", which is a Thumb variant slightly tweaked to be easy to JIT managed code to. < 1299700787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299700789 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not weird at all < 1299700794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: that's not a bad thing at all IMO - code that benefits from ARM instructions can use them, stuff that would better be smaller can use thumb <-- yes on a practical level. But it is messy still. < 1299700810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The haps, my friends. < 1299700812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they? < 1299700821 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other cpus only have simple addressing modes so that the most complicated LEA instruction would be equivalent to "mov reg,reg" < 1299700828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Okay true. But the way it is used to do arithmetics by compilers is < 1299700845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lea again < 1299700876 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: takes a memory operand, calculcates the address and stores the address instead of loading from memory < 1299700880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and yes I prefer ISAs with simpler addressing modes. < 1299700899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Quantum Jumping? < 1299700904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, often used to do multiplications with constants by C compilers such as GCC. < 1299700907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discover Why Thousands of People are "Jumping" to Change Their Life < 1299700909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.QuantumJumping.com < 1299700910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- youtube ad < 1299700924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then you'd hate to write DSP code; they have all kinds of bit-reversed (for fast FFT (okay, so that's like PIN number)) and hardware-assisted circular buffer addressing modes. < 1299700929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum jumping, guys! < 1299700933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, quite. < 1299700938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast FFT transform < 1299700949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast FFT Fourier Transform. < 1299700949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's unstructured programming for the quantum age. < 1299701005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, direct, indirect and offset is enough for me. Sure indirect with inc/dec might be nice. But only on systems where you can only load a single size into registers. < 1299701014 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't learn haskell ;C < 1299701061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's because your brain is broken < 1299701077 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, why? < 1299701081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie, YOU write me some code to increment si to the next multiple of 80! < 1299701096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm why 80? < 1299701103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a power of two would be easier < 1299701104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: width of vga screen < 1299701108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, divide by 80, add one, multiply? < 1299701111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, damn. Can't you change video mode? < 1299701111 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I already told you, stow some stuff and do it with additions < 1299701114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not easy on x86. < 1299701116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol < 1299701117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Efficiency is for wimps!) < 1299701139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean with a power of two it would be AND + ADD < 1299701155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: need to stick this into 510 bytes < 1299701159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ST B, *AR0+0% || MPY *AR1+, B (a representative line of DSP asm). < 1299701171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh my god. What does it do? < 1299701181 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because haskell is messy < 1299701191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think it can really be done without either division or modulo. < 1299701211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it "not easy" < 1299701231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually I mistyped, it doesn't really make sense like that; maybe ST B, *AR1+0% || MPY *AR2+, B instead. < 1299701234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: div is a mess :) < 1299701238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no... it's not < 1299701244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A loop! < 1299701246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is ridiculously stupid with arithmetic opcodes, at least in 16-bit mode. < 1299701252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Elliott doesn't like it how div has those fixed-register operands. < 1299701258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So you clobber ax, is that somehow "not easy"? < 1299701269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also this is why I like the ISA of AVR. It is mostly sane. A pity it is Harvard though. (Only insane bit I can think of is that LSL and LSR take one parameter, register to shift. And shifts one step. Same for ROL/ROR, but at least that can be blamed on the carry flag there) < 1299701275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Fitting things into 510 bytes here. < 1299701285 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's a constant, you can of course not do an actual divide < 1299701294 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And? Are you already running out of room? < 1299701299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Actually I mistyped, it doesn't really make sense like that; maybe ST B, *AR1+0% || MPY *AR2+, B instead. <-- this is same but with AR1/2 not 0/1? < 1299701309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. I'm writing a description at the moment. < 1299701311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, but this thing is going to have a Forth in it, and I've already devoted about 60 bytes to word reading. < 1299701314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, highly non-orthogonal I guess < 1299701325 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dude, worry about it later. < 1299701353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ah, you see, the code to do it that way is _also_ extremely ugly. :p < 1299701416 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplication is exactly as horrific as division on x86 :) < 1299701416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dream architecture would be a 64-bit RISC. With lots of GPR. A handful of SIMD registers and some floating point ones. < 1299701425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty much PPC so far < 1299701431 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sparc, or mips? < 1299701438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, PPC has more GPR iirc < 1299701440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my dream architecture is a reduceron. < 1299701453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: imul goes to an arbitrary register < 1299701455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No it's not: there's even a three-operand multiplication. < 1299701468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dream architecture is Gaudi. < 1299701473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well sure, but that is sadly unrealistic currently. < 1299701480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1299701495 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, PHILISTINE < 1299701509 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni_Gaud%C3%AD < 1299701515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It stores the value at AR1 (what AR1 points at, I mean) into B, then increments AR1 by the value in AR0 except that the postincrement is done modulo a (base, size) pair stored in the circular buffer control registers; at the same time on the other ALU it fixed-point multiplies the value in the T register (notably not mentioned in the instruction) by the value pointed by AR2 (and postincrements AR2), and stores that as the new value of B. < 1299701515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO it should have sane instruction encoding < 1299701520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, right, *architecture*. < 1299701523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU A SILLY. < 1299701542 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh! imul is way less horrific than div/idiv :) < 1299701546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a handful of different sizes (come on, jump with immediate operand would be hard otherwise) < 1299701590 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: In fact is is borderline saintly, since it can do "A = B*N" (where N is 8-bit immediate) often saving you a mov. < 1299701605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait a second... < 1299701609 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299701612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *angelic AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH noise* < 1299701624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "ST B, *AR1+0% || MPY *AR2+, B" does NOT mention AR0 yet you said it used it? < 1299701635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the "0" in the "+0%". < 1299701639 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh < 1299701646 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway it uses T without mentioning, too, so... < 1299701768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: It stores the value at AR1 (what AR1 points at, I mean) into B, then increments AR1 by the value in AR0 except that the postincrement is done modulo a (base, size) pair stored in the circular buffer control registers; at the same time on the other ALU it fixed-point multiplies the value in the T register (notably not mentioned in the instruction) by the value pointed by AR2 (and postincrements AR2), and stores that as the new val < 1299701769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ue of B. < 1299701770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best thing ever < 1299701790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly that was the only instruction in this project to use one of the "foo || bar" double-instructions, of which there is a very limited set. And there are all kinds of additional limitations for the operands; not all of the (8, IIRC) ARx registers are usable in all those positions; only the "dual operand addressable" subset. < 1299701796 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299701826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I'm not entirely sure if AR2 is quite kosher there. (This is from a macro and I didn't bother looking up what it was called with.) < 1299701846 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something like... imul by the inverse of 80 then inc then multiply by 80? could that work? < 1299701914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And AR0 had to be initialized to 1 for that to work, because the "+%" addressing mode is not allowed in that particular dual-instruction, only the "+n%" variant.) < 1299701954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so something like... imul by the inverse of 80 then inc then multiply by 80? could that work? <-- imul by inverse of 80 sounds tricky. Inverse of 80 sounds tricky to do in integer encoding. < 1299701996 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you multiply by 2^16/80, and then divide (shift) by 2^16 < 1299702006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1299702025 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 could be other things though, it depends on how much precision you need and the input range and whatnot < 1299702035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right remembered another bit where AVR isn't orthogonal. Integer multiplication has fixed destination registers. < 1299702039 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, you know that the value is 0..24 < 1299702042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the input range is < 1299702060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :si = 80*n + m for 0 <= n < 25 and 0 <= m < 80 < 1299702065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want the output to be < 1299702067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :si = 80*(n+1) < 1299702089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just do an exhaustive search for the shortest possible code that gives the valid output for those inputs. < 1299702096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course < 1299702101 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299702106 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course you can use IN/OUT to address the IO registers. But that is really an alias to access the lowest memory addresses. Since they are memory mapped right after the registers. < 1299702114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shorter encoding) < 1299702126 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe you can find that paper that did that for a bunch of common operations and steal their framework for bruteforcing instruction sequences < 1299702133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDS/STS take two bytes after all. < 1299702134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1299702141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or maybe you could do your 2^16 magic for me! < 1299702158 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, do it yourself < 1299702195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: maybe you can find that paper that did that for a bunch of common operations and steal their framework for bruteforcing instruction sequences <-- ooh the super compilation to generate loophole optimisers one? < 1299702221 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's probably the same one < 1299702227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err peephole < 1299702229 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am now able to successfully identify which wiki pages were written by zzo38 without looking at the page history. does this mean today is my #esoteric zzoversary? < 1299702233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth did I write loophole... < 1299702234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299702254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yes. < 1299702275 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loophole optimizer :D < 1299702284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so what should 16 be :P < 1299702290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you multiply by 2^16/80, and then divide (shift) by 2^16 < 1299702291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, awesome concept though < 1299702291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16 could be other things though, it depends on how much precision you need and the input range and whatnot < 1299702298 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: n, for some value of n < 1299702301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: define n < 1299702303 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299702334 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n is what 16 should be? < 1299702340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, be careful if you want to be able to claim you wrote this thing. So you don't have to write "by olsner with some help from elliott" < 1299702345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'll just pick at random ;D < 1299702356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you are doing extreme programming. Pair programming over internet. < 1299702358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1299702365 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299702368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aww yeah, IRC has never been more homoerotic! < 1299702371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving on < 1299702375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wha? < 1299702381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR SOME REASON < 1299702384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasm doesn't grok 2**16 < 1299702393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so write out the constant? < 1299702409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65536 isn't even longer < 1299702409 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left-shift is called << < 1299702441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "mul ax, 12" isn't valid < 1299702442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why < 1299702446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you need a 32-bit register to contain 2^16? < 1299702456 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because mul takes a single operand, not two. < 1299702460 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imul has the magic, mul doesn't < 1299702478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but not (2^16)/80! < 1299702482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh true < 1299702485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, which one is signed now again? < 1299702488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should fix rword before doing ok :) < 1299702491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imul is signed < 1299702513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1299702517 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1299702522 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :( :( :( :( :( < 1299702527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1299702540 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :padme died? < 1299702543 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely somebody can guess < 1299702547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have a suggestion: serial terminal. I don't know how messy that is on x86. Only done serial programming on AVR < 1299702571 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol, that would make far too much sense < 1299702572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you didn't get it? < 1299702573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299702575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you just enable some bits in the USART control register and then write some interrupt routines. < 1299702589 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, eh? He doesn't have to deal with anything more than \n then < 1299702591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: gone to auction? < 1299702600 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: exactly < 1299702605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, *oh* < 1299702614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serial with x86 sounds like a pain < 1299702615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno though :) < 1299702620 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happened to Gregor? < 1299702625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he wants libc.so < 1299702630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but I presume the UART (hell x86 doesn't even have a USART!) programming on x86 is a pain? < 1299702667 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can only guess, but of course it is painful :) it would however speak ascii since the thing you connect to it speaks ascii < 1299702682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299702685 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, why even bother with screen output if you're doing input over serial anyway < 1299702689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I *think* it is possible to program the VGA registers so that you have a text mode that has a virtual screen size of 128x25 characters, of which you are showing a 80x25-sized window. That would make the row addresses be multiples of 128, not 80. < 1299702695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, this was for output I meant < 1299702701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and yes do both that way < 1299702708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah but i'd still have to warp at 80 :) < 1299702724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but rounding up to next multiple of 128 is easier. < 1299702739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1299702745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. that sounds difficult < 1299702747 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and qemu can probably connect the serial port directly to your host terminal < 1299702747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299702751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it can < 1299702753 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or always leave the rightmost 16 columns blank and use a 64x25 screen in practice < 1299702755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reappears.
< 1299702759 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so is up for auction. < 1299702760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh, that would work! < 1299702764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BID. < 1299702765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BID NOW. < 1299702766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? you would just do AND + ADD to jump to next multiple < 1299702767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BID ALL YOUR MONEY. < 1299702805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1299702806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1299702822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOESN'T x86 HAVE AN USART!? < 1299702842 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd make for some neat packaging, you just have a 512-byte boot sector embedded in a shell script that runs qemu on it as a floppy image and connects to stdin/out < 1299702850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1299702873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i kinda want to be able to walk up to some ancient 386, put a floppy in it, and be greeted to forth, though :P < 1299702892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, trying to get this imul/shl thing working... < 1299702901 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for extra points, polyglot the wrapper shell script into the boot sector < 1299702922 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imul/shr? < 1299702922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That doesn't really help if you have that single-value linear address that you want to directly correspond to VGA memory offset, since you'd need to round that to a multiple of 80 (well, 160) anyway. Admittedly you could keep 64x25 screen offsets and then extract (row, column) and compute the memory address, but still. < 1299702930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: uh, didn't you say shl < 1299702964 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I said divide by 2^n < 1299702983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, olsner, it's not my fault i'm retarded :/ < 1299702989 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is < 1299703009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this doesn't even seem to be doing anything to si < 1299703012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imul ax, 819 < 1299703014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add ax, 4 < 1299703015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shr ax, 16 < 1299703016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov si, ax < 1299703021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what i do :) < 1299703030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1299703032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's a single "Offset" VGA register value that gives the number that is added to the memory address in order to move from one scanline/text-line to another. That should be a simple thing to change to get a VGA screen that has the lines in memory at power-of-two multiples. < 1299703053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Or always leave the rightmost 16 columns blank and use a 64x25 screen in practice < 1299703056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i could just do this :) < 1299703071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, " Deewiant: That doesn't really help if you have that single-value linear address that you want to directly correspond to VGA memory offset [...]" < 1299703076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fail :P < 1299703080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it? < 1299703087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, read fizzie's full line < 1299703098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rite < 1299703111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To convert from a 64x25 screen offset into a memory address, you'll need to split it into (row, column) and then compute row*80+column. Admittedly it doesn't need the divide-by-80 step there. < 1299703135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's just "low 6 bits column, things above that the row". < 1299703141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: are you sure imul overflows? < 1299703162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1299703163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :facepalm < 1299703165 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell VGA to use 64-char lines instead of 80-char ones? will that make it display the beginning of the next line in the last 16 columns? :) < 1299703165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shr ax, 16 < 1299703166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a 16-bit value < 1299703194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If you start reprogramming VGA, I think you should just change the offset between lines so that they are multiples of 2^K. < 1299703213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is an idle serial line always high? Wouldn't that waste power? < 1299703221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : imul ax, 51 < 1299703221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : shr ax, 12 < 1299703221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : add ax, 80 < 1299703222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it almost works. < 1299703240 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, what I meant was: what if you make that offset shorter than the line? (because it still displays 80 chars per line?) < 1299703266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1299703269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to add 160 < 1299703271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1299703283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, it would show the last 16 characters of the previous line at the beginning of the next line, yes. Or alternatively you can think of it the other way around. < 1299703302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299703304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work though :) < 1299703353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm not sure there's enough precision to make this work :P < 1299703393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 160? What? < 1299703401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vga=two bytes per char < 1299703404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80*2= < 1299703423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh nice. What does it use the second byte for? I doubt it uses UCS-16... < 1299703426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1299703428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-2 < 1299703436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: attribute, duh < 1299703440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=colours < 1299703441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh right < 1299703448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should totally use UTF-16, though < 1299703451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including surrogate pairs < 1299703456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA is a total mess < 1299703461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1299703463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with colours < 1299703466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1299703468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text vga mode is pretty fine :P < 1299703470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that isn't what is wrong < 1299703471 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, you can program VGA display width. But that's changing VGA timings. < 1299703478 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is wrong is not just having a framebuffer < 1299703502 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Again, you can just change the in-memory offset between lines, and keep the traditional 80x25 text mode on screen. < 1299703520 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yeah. < 1299703561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what instructions does the MBR magic encode? < 1299703571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering if they can be used for anything < 1299703618 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use them as a two-byte operand to the last instruction < 1299703631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As themselves the encode "stosb; push bp". < 1299703631 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or part of a longer operand, of course < 1299703656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://soundcloud.com/r2bl3nd/windows-7-x64-ms-paint-exe < 1299703659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST THING EVER < 1299703660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looks pretty useless to me < 1299703695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw the string instructions on x86. They are not atomic wrt. multitasking I assume? How does resuming work there? < 1299703736 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they stop in the middle and save the register values that'd make them continue where they were < 1299703740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's willing to donate to the Gregor Owning libc.so Fund :P < 1299703758 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's also a flag to control some of the details for compatibility < 1299703764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah < 1299703787 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how is your forth? < 1299703790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ME < 1299703792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: working on the display code < 1299703794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I like it < 1299703795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(saw it before) < 1299703819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the annoyance that is conducting transactions over the internet sadly makes it difficult. < 1299703821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://soundcloud.com/r2bl3nd/windows-7-x64-ms-paint-exe <-- that was surprisingly like electronic experimental music. < 1299703824 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How much are you willing to donate? Donations will grant you first dibs on libc.so email addresses :P < 1299703846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, find my debit card and I'll donate. < 1299703848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but how the fuck can mspaint be large enough to take that long to play < 1299703864 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, BELIEVE IN BLOAT < 1299703870 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that libc.so the *domain name*? < 1299703875 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes < 1299703885 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one of thirteen bidders. < 1299703885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I bet the 95 or 3.0 versions were a lot shorter < 1299703891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Thirteen? < 1299703891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1299703894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's the current bid? < 1299703895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rate my chances of actually getting it as "very low" < 1299703895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm actually surprised at the nature of that; repetition I would have understood, but why does it actually change?) < 1299703901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, go for libc6.so :P < 1299703903 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bidding doesn't open 'til the 28th. < 1299703906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tables, I bet < 1299703912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WOW THAT'S SO CLEVER CUZ IT'S NOT A REAL FILENAME < 1299703915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the noise at the start is all the code < 1299703925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: libc.so isn't either, it's libc.so.6 everywhere :) < 1299703930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://soundcloud.com/r2bl3nd/windows-7-x64-ms-paint-exe <-- that was surprisingly like electronic experimental music. < 1299703935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't "surprisingly like"; was. < 1299703939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not terribly experimental :P < 1299703944 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: libc.so is a real filename, it's the one -lc looks for. < 1299703949 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I fear your music taste :P < 1299703956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's more perfectly normal chiptuney stuff interrupted by insanity every few seconds. < 1299703958 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's typically either a symlink, or on GNUy systems a bizarre linker script. < 1299703968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ locate libc.so < 1299703969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib/libc.so.6 < 1299703969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/lib/libc.so < 1299703970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, right. < 1299703971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1299703972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1299703973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc-2.13.so < 1299703974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299703974 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1299703975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Duh" < 1299703976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ locate libc.so < 1299703977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib/libc.so.6 < 1299703977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib32/libc.so.6 < 1299703979 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299703979 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299703979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/lib/libc.so < 1299703984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs /usr. < 1299703996 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: With that setup, people who want to link against libc :P < 1299703997 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor "Weird Linker Script" Gregor < 1299704006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I would totally buy Windows Programs: The Album. < 1299704007 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected it to be more like white noise actually < 1299704012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: X "Name" X is my trademark. < 1299704023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seen it elsewhere < 1299704030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, X "Name" Y is traditional :P < 1299704036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is more common < 1299704039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Gregor "Memory leaks, what memory leaks?" Richards. < 1299704040 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is causing the repetition that makes a tone, and even that recurring melody? < 1299704042 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so wait, why do you need more money? < 1299704044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My innovation was EXTENDING IT TO ANY NAME < 1299704049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Like I said: I suspect either tables or padding. < 1299704054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: domain names are expensive < 1299704059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I claim prior art exists < 1299704072 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, I guess < 1299704075 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't know what the bid will be, I'll place an undisclosed amount measured in hundreds of USD on it, but every little bit helps. I'll only actually call in on donations if the bid goes above my undisclosed max. < 1299704081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ? < 1299704090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I demand more than one email for your donation. < 1299704091 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tables or padding < 1299704102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you donate, I will give more than one email address. < 1299704107 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I win it :P ) < 1299704107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, I demand the full governmental transparency that you are not demonstrating. :-P < 1299704119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://soundcloud.com/cpngn/sets/selected-tracks-from-apt Apparently these are partially based on programs too, but who knows how much. < 1299704124 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299704124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the comments of that one.) < 1299704129 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's undisclosed because I don't know how much I'll bid on libm.so, which goes up for auction first X-P < 1299704142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: libm.so is really a lot less impressive to own :P < 1299704146 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1299704147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299704151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't bother bidding on it. < 1299704152 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are only two bidders including myself :P < 1299704154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it does have better emails. < 1299704162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can probably get it for like $20 :P < 1299704165 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how so? < 1299704174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, librt.so? < 1299704176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: j0@libm.so etc. < 1299704205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't see why that is better than strlen@libso.so < 1299704212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1299704214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc* < 1299704216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Consider a person named Jo or Joe. < 1299704230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but Gregor isn't named that so he would gain nothing < 1299704236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: He's giving emails to other people. < 1299704237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god man. < 1299704249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299704270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do the emails come with subdomain records :P < 1299704271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcre_get_stringtable_entries@libpcre.so, the most-wanted thing ever. < 1299704278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YEEEEEEEEEES < 1299704284 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hmmm, I would be willing to give subdomain records with sufficient donations. < 1299704296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally want SOME_INCOMPREHENSIBLE_MANGLED_NAME@libstdc++.so < 1299704307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/lib/libopcodes-2.20.51-system.20100908.so < 1299704308 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not too bad at all actually, it has humor < 1299704310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: QUICK < 1299704311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET THAT ONE < 1299704323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too late to register anything :P < 1299704326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you want THAT then go for libboost.so < 1299704327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls < 1299704331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1299704332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong window :DD < 1299704362 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: _ZN5boost10filesystem24basic_directory_iteratorINS0_10basic_pathISsNS0_11path_traitsEEEE6m_initERKS4_@libboost_filesystem.so < 1299704363 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libBrokenLocale.so perhaps? no idea whatsoever what that does, but it has a funny name < 1299704363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how can I get a list of symbols libc.so exports? < 1299704367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YES < 1299704368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MUST HAVE IT < 1299704371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :objdump -T it. < 1299704382 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299704388 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nm -D < 1299704396 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings < 1299704405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: strings gives unrelated crap on libc < 1299704412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of what looks like macro expansions < 1299704430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, gnu sort can't sort by length < 1299704434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, running nm -D /usr/lib/lib*.so.*.* | awk '{print length($NF),$NF }' | sort -n | tail -n20 < 1299704439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lets see what it finds < 1299704441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1299704442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it does, it gives crap on any binary :-P < 1299704447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nm -D" seems nicely sorted. < 1299704448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hereby reserving ffs@libc.so and ftw@libc.so < 1299704461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME < 1299704461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ffs, ffsl, ffsll - find first bit set in a word < 1299704462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME < 1299704463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ftw, nftw - file tree walk < 1299704471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "nm -D" seems nicely sorted. <-- on what? Address it seems < 1299704477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID I NEVER KNOW ABOUT ffs < 1299704478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or or, do I want abs, or tee, or err, or dup... < 1299704481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's sorted on symbol names here. < 1299704482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299704484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1384 _ZNK5boost6spirit7classic4impl15concrete_parserINS1_8sequenceINS1_6actionINS1_4ruleINS1_7scannerISt20_List_const_iteratorINS_4wave8cpplexer9lex_tokenINS9_4util13file_positionINSC_11flex_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcENSC_9CowStringINSC_22AllocatorStringStorageIcSH_EEPcEEEEEEEEENS1_16scanner_policiesINS1_28skip_parser_iteration_policyINS1_11alternativeINST_INS1_5chlitINS9_8token_idEEESW_EESW_EENS1_1 < 1299704484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6iteration_policyEEENS1_12match_policyENS1_13action_policyEEEEENS1_15closure_contextINS9_8grammars8closures16cpp_expr_closureEEENS1_5nil_tEEEN7phoenix5actorINS1C_9compositeINS1C_9assign_opENS1D_INS1C_14closure_memberILi0ENS1C_7closureINS17_13closure_valueENS1C_5nil_tES1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEEEENS1D_INS1C_8argumentILi0EEEEES1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEEEENS1_11kleene_starINST_INST_INST_INS4_ISW_NS5_IS1B_NS1D_INS1E_ < 1299704485 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wanted that function LITERALLY ONES OF TIMES < 1299704485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS1F_S1M_NS1D_INS1E_INS16_4impl22operator_binary_lesseqES1M_S1P_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEES1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEEEEEENS4_ISW_NS5_IS1B_NS1D_INS1E_IS1F_S1M_NS1D_INS1E_INS1U_23operator_binary_greateqES1M_S1P_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEES1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEEEEEEEENS4_ISW_NS5_IS1B_NS1D_INS1E_IS1F_S1M_NS1D_INS1E_INS1U_20operator_binary_lessES1M_S1P_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEES1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEEEEEEEENS4_ISW_N < 1299704490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S5_IS1B_NS1D_INS1E_IS1F_S1M_NS1D_INS1E_INS1U_23operator_binary_greaterES1M_S1P_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEES1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_S1J_EEEEEEEEEEEEEES14_S1I_E16do_parse_virtualERKS14_ < 1299704491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LITERALLY ONES! < 1299704493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299704494 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONES! < 1299704494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...impressive. < 1299704497 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, take that one < 1299704511 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you actually donate, I will give vanity ALL SORTS OF WHATEVER YOU WANT < 1299704512 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 1384 bytes long symbol name < 1299704514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@libc.so) < 1299704525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I cannot parse that line :P < 1299704551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :33 posix_spawn_file_actions_addclose < 1299704551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE LONGEST THING EXPORTED BY LIBC.SO < 1299704556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that in cfunge yet, Vorpal? < 1299704560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How 'bout this: I will give you one extra @libc.so address for every 15USD you donate :P < 1299704566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is in /usr/lib/libboost_wave-mt.so.1.45.0 < 1299704570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and hell no < 1299704576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You realise I'm the only person who's even remotely likely to donate in this channel :P < 1299704584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But, posix_spawn_file_actions_addclose might be useful! < 1299704587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For SPEED. < 1299704595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, posix_spawn is just stuipd < 1299704598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid* < 1299704602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you even looked at that stuff? < 1299704606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live fork() < 1299704611 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on people, EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS! I will try my best to make it worth the money! Think of how awesome it would be to know the person who owns libc.so! < 1299704665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 __overflow < 1299704665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 __morecore < 1299704695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 wordfree < 1299704708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You've made me...... wordfree. What's the word?" "'Speechless'?" "Right, that one." < 1299704713 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have very much United States money. < 1299704723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes you do, it's just stored in the form of canadian money < 1299704741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like i have literally ones of ponies < 1299704744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stored in the form of gbp < 1299704749 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I have to convert it. < 1299704776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Today I learned that most libc symbols have boring names. < 1299704780 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1299704795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHY CAN'T THERE BE SOME FATAL ERROR FUNCTION CALLED wtf() < 1299704799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I tried -CD (to demangle) < 1299704803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is too long to paste on irc < 1299704810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is too long to fit in my terminal window < 1299704819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS LONGER THAN TIME ITSELF. < 1299704835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: imul ax, 26 < 1299704836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : shr ax, 12 < 1299704836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : add ax, 80 < 1299704837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the stupid < 1299704848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If I omit the add, it reliably returns to the start of the current line < 1299704849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299704852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had add ,160 before < 1299704854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was just as buggy :D < 1299704857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite being 10x more logical < 1299704859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn over 10 000 chars long. < 1299704862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is absurd < 1299704865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 9000 sure < 1299704867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 10 000? < 1299704885 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OVER NINE THOUSAAAAND? < 1299704896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, dude too late :P < 1299704897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/YHRR < 1299704899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1299704913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say that the name mangling does a good job.... considered < 1299704920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CowString < 1299704944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how they wrote that thing < 1299704949 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be generated < 1299704962 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, templates is code generation, pretty much < 1299704963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not even boost developers would end up writing out such a long line < 1299704967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, true < 1299704973 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and typedefs for compressing duplicated parts < 1299704983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: If you actually donate, I will give vanity ALL SORTS OF WHATEVER YOU WANT <-- prediction, Gregor gets the domain and then goes bankrupt from all the resulting obligations < 1299705013 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Prediction: I actually accept giving out only vanity email addresses and subdomains :P < 1299705016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, does the mangled variant compress duplicate sections? < 1299705038 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik < 1299705043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299705061 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be fairly obvious whether it does < 1299705063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, how does it manage to compress it into 1384 bytes then < 1299705084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299705089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't "div 80" valid in nasm < 1299705090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the unmangled one is 10339 chars after all < 1299705092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor even "div ax, 80" < 1299705095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THE AMOUNT OF SUBDOMAINS WILL BE SO ENORMOUS YOU GO BANKRUPT FROM BUYING THE DNS SERVER < 1299705100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, went back to div instead of imul? < 1299705112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: trying to :) < 1299705116 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's using the namespaces to say "outer namespace::sequence" rather than "boost::spirit::classic::sequence" < 1299705116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why < 1299705127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because the imul solution is unworkable < 1299705135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah < 1299705159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not switch to the 128 line length stuff < 1299705161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can only divide by a reg/mem8 or reg/mem16, not by an immediate. < 1299705167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wow, my archive binging actually failed < 1299705178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after over a week of binging, i haven't continued :) < 1299705179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realised now < 1299705180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which comic? < 1299705183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Homestuck < 1299705185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299705194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is WAY TOO DAMN LONG < 1299705195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the binge got stuck < 1299705195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: X_X < 1299705239 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is homestuck == http://www.mspaintadventures.com/ ? (that's the first google hit) < 1299705251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: homestuck \elem mspaintadventures < 1299705262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is horribly long, yes; I recently (three months ago?) read through it manually, but then haven't actually continued following it; it was all just so much. < 1299705288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: One of my friends follows it and as far as I can tell it eats about ~99% of his time. :p < 1299705352 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3600 that's just an hour if you spend 1s per page < 1299705386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: uh, more than 3600 I believe < 1299705387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not sure < 1299705406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: anyway, pages have sometimes-long narration, and can have usually-long chatlogs, plus that's ignoring all the flash updates < 1299705418 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where did I get that number? you didn't tell me how long it was < 1299705426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are (up to the point I read, anyway) up to a few minutes long. also the ... "games" (is it a game if there's only one outcome?), which of course take an arbitrary amount of time < 1299705438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well the comic id starts at like 1900 I think, and it's at 5xxx for some xxx < 1299705439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"approximately 3,600 pages as of the end of February, 2011" < 1299705440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Osmium_1-crop.jpg < 1299705446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah. < 1299705452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmium does not look as awesome as I thought it did. < 1299705453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From the mspaintadventures wikia.) < 1299705454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5500-1900 = 3600, so yeah. < 1299705469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lol, looks like a face < 1299705477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's quite often some complicated flash things to navigate and all that. < 1299705480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Osmium_cluster.jpg < 1299705484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "one second per page" doesn't really work. < 1299705486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's pretty awesome. < 1299705494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sheesh, I just said that :P < 1299705501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed it in the babble. < 1299705520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose there are games with only one outcome < 1299705523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. monkey island < 1299705531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other such advenchoor gaymes < 1299705558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I think the problem is < 1299705563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the "ok" is being accounted for wrongly < 1299705564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the newline code < 1299705566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1299705738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov bx, 160 < 1299705738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : div bx < 1299705738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : inc ax < 1299705738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : inc ax < 1299705738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : imul ax, 160 < 1299705739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299705757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299705758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two incs < 1299705768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still broken though < 1299705770 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add ax,2? < 1299705850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway! mov dx, 0x03d4; mov al, 0x13; out dx, al; inc dx; mov al, 0x80; out dx; and that should (very theoretically; probably doesn't work) leave the display card using 256-byte offset between text lines in memory. (Assuming VGA, and assuming it's in the CGA mode and not the Hercules/MDA mode. And like I said, probably won't work.) < 1299705875 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299705913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you remembered to zero dx there? Or if not, you probably want div bl. < 1299705934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, right. < 1299705939 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since "div bx" will divide dx:ax by 160 there. < 1299705959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course then you'll end up with quotient in al and remainder in ah. < 1299705967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you divide by bl.) < 1299706007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1299706028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, do imuls on al overflow into ah? < 1299706030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"overflow" < 1299706063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't imul a byte. < 1299706090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm, yes, you in fact can, with the single-operand form. < 1299706098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299706110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok: mov dword [es:si], 0x076b076f < 1299706110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov ax, si < 1299706111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov bl, 160 < 1299706111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : div bl < 1299706111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : inc al < 1299706111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : xor ah, ah < 1299706113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : imul ax, 160 < 1299706115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov si, ax < 1299706117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ret < 1299706119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1299706121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ugly and long. < 1299706126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks shortenable. < 1299706154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ORLY? < 1299706156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, you could "mul bl" in place of "xor ah, ah; imul ax, 160". < 1299706162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, right X-D < 1299706168 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you still have 160 in bl, that would multiply al by bl and put the result in ax. < 1299706190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24 00000022 89F0 mov ax, si < 1299706190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 25 00000024 B3A0 mov bl, 160 < 1299706191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 26 00000026 F6F3 div bl < 1299706191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 27 00000028 FEC0 inc al < 1299706191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 28 0000002A F6E3 mul bl < 1299706191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 29 0000002C 89C6 mov si, ax < 1299706193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 30 0000002E C3 ret < 1299706194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they're short instructions. < 1299706214 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299706231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 bytes, to be precise. < 1299706244 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inc ax should be a single-byte instruction < 1299706262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :81 sixth.o < 1299706262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For read word and ok. < 1299706267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a smlal loop. < 1299706270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: good point < 1299706273 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299706295 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know because the single-byte inc instructions have been reused as REX prefixes in long mode) < 1299706336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, if I use di for the screen pointer it's shorter by two bytes! < 1299706348 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you started OK. There is still more room left. < 1299706360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that using di like that breaks it < 1299706363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the bios call clobbers it < 1299706401 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save to stack if necessary? < 1299706406 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299706417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpler just to use si, I think < 1299706427 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299706430 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes use si if it doesn't break < 1299706441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so now I have keyboard input, apart from numbers... I should probably write an interpreter word < 1299706444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what I'm thinking for the dictionary: < 1299706457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<32-bit name (2 bits unused; don't know what to do with them)> < 1299706463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just lots of them consecutively in memory. < 1299706475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, do I need a separate code and data pointer? < 1299706479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I just generate machine code on the fly, and just have < 1299706481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299706482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299706488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for integers, possibly. < 1299706492 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the data pointer do? < 1299706526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: for instance, if code pointer = LITERAL (I forget the exact name), it pushes the data to the stack < 1299706529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the data is the integer literal < 1299706535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, the code pointer is just a stub that jumps to the data, IIRC < 1299706541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 can probably correct me on this :) < 1299706550 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so you could just generate code that includes that literal? < 1299706562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's what i'm thinking < 1299706567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I'm < 1299706603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dictionary will not be terminated yet, so any invalid word will just crash the forth :) < 1299706674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently dword [ds:ax] is an invalid effective address :( < 1299706688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, only bx/bp/si/di work there. < 1299706711 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ax is ineffective as an address :) < 1299706733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they call their registers "general-purpose"... < 1299706764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like general porpoise < 1299706768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genital porpoise < 1299706863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I can use a 16-bit code pointer! < 1299706869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just 6 bytes per dictionary entry < 1299706905 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you doing this in real mode completely now? < 1299706919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299706927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, with "org 0x7c00", is the code segment 0 or 0x7c00? < 1299706972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I have what is ostensibly an interpreter word < 1299706974 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means the code segment is supposed to be 0x7c0(0) < 1299706984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/iYag < 1299706990 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostensibly is a good word < 1299706999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1299707000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want +1 < 1299707001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want +4 < 1299707036 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What it means is that starting from there, the assembler assumes the current address is 0x7c00; I don't think that works at all if cs=0x7c0, since then you'd have "org 0" code? < 1299707052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or should I inline the machine code of every word into the dictionary :D < 1299707054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid having to juggle memory < 1299707059 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, so I have it backwards then? yuck < 1299707084 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't BIOS jump to loaded boot block at 0000:7C00? < 1299707089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"error: words can only call up to 10 other words" < 1299707106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Apparently some do 7c00:0, but that's hearsay. < 1299707139 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean 7c0:0, but anyway. Sounds rather nasty. < 1299707148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299707150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably lies. < 1299707165 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From one emulator: Emulated: BIOS output: Booting from 0000:7c00 < 1299707168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hmm, I should pick a location for my data stack, and a register to put it in :) < 1299707175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I think all _sane_ ones do it that way. < 1299707221 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: use si instead of di for reading the dict, then you can use string instructions :P < 1299707225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait literal _doesn't_ work that way < 1299707227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks at the return stack < 1299707231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reads the next value < 1299707232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pushes that < 1299707232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1299707235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the assembly is literally < 1299707241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[call LITERAL]; < 1299707242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1299707243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is... < 1299707246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not be... < 1299707249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends where it returns to < 1299707250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm < 1299707253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: use si instead of di for reading the dict, then you can use string instructions :P < 1299707255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: could I really? :P < 1299707269 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1299707288 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you can use a 32-bit lodsd from 16-bit mode < 1299707292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use si already for the screen, but that sounds like a bigger win < 1299707296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: problem is, each entry is 6 bytes < 1299707298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a strange size < 1299707305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4 byte dword name + 2 byte code pointer) < 1299707315 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :si is for reading and di is for writing :) swap them < 1299707315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299707322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a data pointer, I could do indirect threaded code < 1299707331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which WOULD allow for "LITERAL, 42" < 1299707339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well i don't use any special features of it, it's just so that [es:foo] is short < 1299707349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even do it separately like < 1299707351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov byte [es:si], al < 1299707351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov byte [es:si+1], 0x07 < 1299707359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah contains the scancode) < 1299707454 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299707473 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299707486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have 4-byte names and 2+2-byte pointers, you *could* even use some sort of "repne scasd" thing for automagically scanning the dictionary for a word; with the "minor" drawback that if the data/code pointer concatenated happens to look too much like a word, you'd then interpret the following word name as data:code pointers. < 1299707517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, so having another pointer in the dictionary might actually save me bytes ... and would let me do indirect threaded code... < 1299707536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scasd uses di, though, not si.) < 1299707536 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think scasd is a win anyway, since it both increments si and compares < 1299707538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You mean if a code/data pointer was the same as the name entered? < 1299707545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be unfortunate, but seems unlikely. < 1299707547 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, DI it was < 1299707562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a code:data pointer concatenated, assuming words were 4 bytes and pointers 2. < 1299707583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That seems a bit unlikely. < 1299707632 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-1.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299707643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299707736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1299707739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299707775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realised I'm devoting large amounts of effort to writing a completely buggy implementation of a quarter of Forth :P < 1299707802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, giving up? < 1299707812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck no < 1299707815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1299707816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a bit of an issue in that the string opcodes use either ds:si or es:di; so scasd, which uses di, actually uses es:di instead, and if your es points to video memory, that's not very good. < 1299707825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeeeeeeeeeees... < 1299707841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could always initialise si to video memory, but then newline would be a pain :P < 1299707846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless 0xB800 is a multiple of 80. < 1299707852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not. < 1299707952 0 :nescience!~myndzi@m4f5a36d0.tmodns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299707972 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299708011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK i tried running it i have problems with it . this is what i get. when it asks the first quistion i say yes it hangs completely then reboots. i say no then i enter the code failure how do i boot it? Your os looks like windows 1.0 buty has way more features. When is the next release coming out ? Why not turn this into a comunity prodject ? its opensource. We make it secure and give it more aplications. < 1299708051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1299708090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think I will include a data pointer. < 1299708098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to pass it to the routine though. Maybe ax. < 1299708102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or better, di. < 1299708121 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using one of the many registers available for such things :D < 1299708152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "many" < 1299708175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many things the x86 has many of, like design flaws, but registers of any kind are not one :P < 1299708189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's dx again? < 1299708194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just general purpose? < 1299708194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1299708198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could pass it in cx! < 1299708200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no reason at all! < 1299708219 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys might be good to ask; any of you familiar with range encoding? < 1299708270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1299708283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it when the clever people are on, not dolts like me and olsner < 1299708293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey, I resemble that remark! < 1299708303 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299708343 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to figure out if there's a clean way to do a range encoder that outputs in base 192375 < 1299708363 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that 193275? something like that. 3*3*3*3*5*5*5*19 < 1299708393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :192,375 < 1299708397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks google < 1299708432 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I remembered right < 1299708449 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it obviously won't divide very many times evenly < 1299708449 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clean" way? no, all possible ways will cover you in excrement < 1299708467 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clean as in I don't lose data to rounding < 1299708489 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think that's possible / likely using a fixed buffer < 1299708493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you have to use the range_encode_and_cover_author_of_code_in_excrement subroutine < 1299708498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :available in most language's standard libraries < 1299708507 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha < 1299708508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*languages' < 1299708529 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so failing that, I don't know if it will be better than huffman < 1299708563 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can store 17 bits of huffman output in 192375 symbols but there is waste < 1299708595 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can store 35 in 192375^2 which gains a bit but is still wasteful < 1299708619 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how much waste there would be from trying to use range coding to fit the output better is all < 1299708782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity, what are you doing? < 1299708961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience? < 1299709008 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding binary data into mirc control codes < 1299709029 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I update it to mirc 7 which has italics I bet I could get rather more efficiency < 1299709054 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not been so long, maybe some clients would still display it < 1299709173 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it expands the data by 272% about < 1299709184 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty good, it used to be 400% < 1299709193 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compressed data I mean < 1299709214 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's block based so there's some waste there and also in transmission of the huffman data < 1299709307 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll also accept a way of outputting huffman or range encoding to variable length symbols ;) < 1299709322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: Cheat. gzip it before encoding :-P < 1299709332 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea or two on that count actually, but no idea if it'd be optimal < 1299709342 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already huffman compress it first < 1299709347 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMM I didn't notice < 1299709350 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do own libdl.so < 1299709359 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got around to full deflate < 1299709366 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And libz.so < 1299709375 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1299709378 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299709378 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299709379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not allocated yet, but they are reserved for me. < 1299709394 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299709409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I demand crc32!!! < 1299709412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And er < 1299709420 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-191-119.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299709420 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299709420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzgets <-- why does this even exist < 1299709439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lawl < 1299709463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I need to write a program to pack names into their dwords so I can pre-fill the dictionary without tearing my hear out :) < 1299709464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hair < 1299709467 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299709477 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a macro... < 1299709488 0 :nescience!~myndzi@m0d0e36d0.tmodns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299709496 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh screw you, CM nightly < 1299709553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that sounds "difficult" in nasm < 1299709625 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so anyway, the challenge is to encode data efficiently in mirc control codes; I can approach 261 or something like that by lengthening the block size but that'd be a shitload of permutations < 1299709638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well THAT didn't work < 1299709669 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which I don't know an efficient way to calculate either the total values or a specific permutation, that'd be nice too < 1299709706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is "just general-purpose"; dx is at least special in that it's the only thing you can stick an IO port, there's "out imm8, al/ax/eax" and "out dx, al/ax/eax" but that's it. < 1299709715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it doesn't have any other special features. < 1299709733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and it's the upper half of the dx:ax construction for div/mul. < 1299709764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh what what's that in reply to < 1299709773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, what's dx again? < 1299709773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : just general purpose? < 1299709784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right. i meant it's not stack or anything. < 1299709794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will usually be there is a pointer, but all my pointers are pretty much used up :) < 1299709799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, i can reuse di < 1299709808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, i can't < 1299710173 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go on ##c and ask people to donate :P < 1299710176 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe ##unix? < 1299710233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Err, have you ever been in ##c? < 1299710247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's not a good idea X-P < 1299710250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Responses will fall into a few categories: < 1299710255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) PoppaVic saying something incoherent as usual < 1299710270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) LIBC.SO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH C, WE EXECUTE C ON PURE PLATONIC MEDIUMS DISTINCT FROM ANY COMPUTER, YOU ARE EVIL NON-PORTABLE NON-C FUCK!! < 1299710275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) /kickban < 1299710283 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299710290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) This is a channel to flame^Wdiscuss C, stop bringing the level of discourse down, you monkey-shitting fucknuts! < 1299710303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly, PoppaVic saying something incoherent. < 1299710400 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299710413 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299710549 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, nth permutation is not computationally hard, that must not be what held me up < 1299710570 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I guess it would be summing the number of values in each permutation < 1299710610 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with deriving how many combinations of symbol lengths fit into N characters < 1299710630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1299710631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in germany < 1299710633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call yourself < 1299710639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. First Last < 1299710645 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably fast enough to use in C but not mirc script < 1299710645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need seven phds < 1299710648 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299710655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing. < 1299710724 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo...... < 1299710768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1299710928 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am imagining this to the tune of BADGER BADGER < 1299711066 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299711109 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228061019.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299711208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| < 1299711209 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              | < 1299711209 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             /< < 1299711214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1299711240 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1299711303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: YOU ARE INSUFFICIENTLY MYNDZI < 1299711326 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut wut < 1299711346 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course my phone doesn't run mirc scripts < 1299711352 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc is not for android silly < 1299711358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1299711440 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be kind of amusing to have a different script that put like, two more beneath him like acrobats :P < 1299711463 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd get me kicked from everywhere surely < 1299711466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...just beware of loops < 1299711481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o| < 1299711481 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              | < 1299711481 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              |\ < 1299711546 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops? what loops? < 1299711548 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops? what loops? < 1299711550 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops? what loops? < 1299711552 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops? what loops? < 1299711601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nicholas If-Jesus-Christ-Had-Not-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barbon" BEST NAME EVER < 1299711610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His unusual middle name, given to him by his strongly Puritan father, is an example of the religious "slogan names" given in Puritan families in 17th-century England." < 1299711627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nicholas Barbon was the eldest son of Praise-God Barebone (or Barbon), after whom the Barebone's Parliament of 1653—the predecessor of Oliver Cromwell's Protectorate—was named.[1][2] Praise-God's reputed Christian name was "Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned",[2] a variant of his son's middle name. He became a religious separatist with Millenarianist beliefs, with fervent views in favour of infant baptism in particu < 1299711627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lar.[3][4]" < 1299711761 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "hadst" is improper grammar there? < 1299711789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares! < 1299711804 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was my name I sure would < 1299711805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope everyone referred to him by his full name. < 1299711815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hi there, Nicholas If-Jesus-Christ-Had-Not-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barbon!" < 1299711821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(started typing that out but then gave up and copy-pasted) < 1299711831 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299711913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks "hadst" is correct
< 1299711936 0 :nescience!~myndzi@m7d0e36d0.tmodns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299711945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan thinks "hadst" is correct < 1299711957 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where the logs ar < 1299711957 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1299711964 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta figure this crash out < 1299711968 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste his name again? < 1299711971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Additional archaic forms are second-person singular present tense hast and second-person singular past tense hadst or haddest." < 1299711995 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what hadst is < 1299712001 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not past tense < 1299712030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If-Jesus-Christ-Had-Not-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned < 1299712050 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it is supposed to be is "would have been" < 1299712060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299712063 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, without thinking overmuch, should be would hadst < 1299712074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats nescience -----###
< 1299712095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't put hadst instead of an _infinitive_! < 1299712097 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure, that cdoesn't sound quite right either < 1299712115 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's why ;) < 1299712132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: logs are in topic < 1299712135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both links < 1299712138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first one is better >:D < 1299712139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be archaic grammar as well - "hadde ... hadde" is completely correct in norwegian < 1299712143 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean my phone logs < 1299712147 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299712155 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can find out why it crashed < 1299712155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadst is archaic anywhere :D < 1299712157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: ah < 1299712168 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kubuntu is once again working as an equal OS on my laptop. < 1299712177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it's unusable: No battery meter < 1299712178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i mean not needing "would have" for the consequence part < 1299712184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1299712244 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldst have, maybe then < 1299712247 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense < 1299712248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadde jeg hatt den hatten jeg hadde, så hadde jeg hatt hatt. < 1299712261 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm drawing a blank her cause I'm at work and can't think about it < 1299712270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If i'd had the hat i had, then i would have had (a) hat) < 1299712331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299712349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there's a strange bug in my forth code :) < 1299712350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1299712354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's close to being able to run a primitive word... < 1299712360 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NICE!!!1 < 1299712382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: specifically, the screen background is purple. i am unable to ascertain why. < 1299712396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's why. < 1299712412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, er, i wonder if my packing is right < 1299712415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get FOO = 0x19ef < 1299712428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by packing five bits of ascii-64 < 1299712437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shifting the value left by 5 bits each time < 1299712442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by 5 each time < 1299712512 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you should change it so the background is intentionally purple < 1299712522 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, good night :) < 1299712578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, purple is a nice colour < 1299712633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow at the SumatraPDF installer. < 1299712674 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Ulrich Drepper has a bid in on libc.so, my fund to get libc.so itself could get a boon from the "prevent Ulrich Drepper from getting libc.so" crowd :P < 1299712703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Likelihood of him having a bid on that: -1 < 1299712706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Probability < 1299712749 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's extremely unlikely, but not THAT unlikely. It has not actually violated the rules of probability theory with its unlikelihood. < 1299712795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YES IT HAS < 1299712807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't be so negative < 1299712815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'M ABSOLUTELY NOT < 1299712818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1299712820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOULD I EVER BE NEGATIVE < 1299712823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM NEVER NOT POSITIVE < 1299712825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY NEGATIVITY IS ABSOLUTE < 1299712827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1299713054 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299713224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, Apple now charge people for the privilege of programming their own computer. < 1299713235 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds Applish. < 1299713241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so Python and Ruby and whatnot come by default, but the C compiler (i.e. Xcode) costs money.) < 1299713247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. The Mac Shit Store version does. < 1299713252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps there's some other way to download it. < 1299713268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple have moved from jerks to insidious, especially considering the iPad's utter unprogrammability. < 1299713294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: To be fair, Microsoft does this too. :p < 1299713301 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1299713302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know of any third-party gcc distribution as popular as MinGW. < 1299713317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, wait, I thought MS had some free "Express" version? < 1299713326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, right, it does; it's terrible, of course, but yes. < 1299713334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple: WORSE THAN MICROSOFT < 1299713335 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XCode is terrible too :P < 1299713335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299713341 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299713341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Xcode is just the vehicle to get gcc :P < 1299713347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft don't have the decency to give you even gcc. < 1299713349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to the days where C64s booted up to BASIC prompts, that's what I want to know. :/ < 1299713354 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, but XCode itself is abysmally bad. < 1299713395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I dunno... compare with Visual Studio... < 1299713403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, I jest, Visual Studio is actually pretty advanced :P) < 1299713413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: P.S. It's Xcode, lowercase c. < 1299713417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1299713421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think Xbox, another retardedly-capitalised product. < 1299713424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mnesia sounds fascinating < 1299713427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1299713440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1299713503 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1299713507 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes random people
< 1299713512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, lol wat: http://notes.kateva.org/2007/01/sarbanes-oxley-means-no-features-in.html < 1299713516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Ouch! You've corrupted my memory! < 1299713519 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299713536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Careful, you'll change your display border color accidentally. < 1299713569 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's the point < 1299713616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YAY LAWS < 1299713620 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: HALP! < 1299713626 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hrm? < 1299713626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LIBERTARIAN < 1299713630 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Donate to the Help Gregor Get libc.so Fund! < 1299713635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft charges $549 for Visual Studio Pro, but at least you can get the command-line compilers and Windows API bindings for free as part of the Windows SDK." < 1299713635 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much monies? < 1299713643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyho, a terrible compiler sans the IDE. < 1299713648 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: and who are you bidding against!? < 1299713655 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: TBD, but any donated money will be returned if I don't get it; it's a closed auction. < 1299713659 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twelve anonymous bidders. < 1299713662 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1299713664 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Plus myself) < 1299713674 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( twelve smart people < 1299713743 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: my budget atm is $0 :-\ < 1299713770 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's your budget on the 28th look? X-P < 1299713776 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's when the auction actually opens) < 1299713816 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g229031188.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299713872 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: -a- < 1299714005 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299714230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what was that insane scientific programming langauge again < 1299714233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1299714244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firesomething, I think < 1299714382 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frink < 1299714383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299714495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pingt. < 1299714648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299714839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video: Visual COBOL Launch – technical demo < 1299714839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sponsored by: < 1299714839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See what excited the COBOL world this January. The demo shows how to build COBOL applications within VS2010, and Eclipse IDEs integrating with .NET and other UI technologies… and much more, including COBOL applications running on an Android phone! < 1299714840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH DEAR GOD < 1299714907 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299714918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S ALIVE < 1299714958 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299715219 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just pretend I never took any interest in COBOL. < 1299715229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you just make up puns all day, say yes < 1299715367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1299715386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also sometimes eat and drink < 1299715468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1299715477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HOW OFTEN, COMPARED TO PUNNING, ON AVERAGE, WOULD YOU SAY < 1299715489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRICKY < 1299715506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Somewhere in the region of... zero, perhaps?" < 1299715517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO A BIT HIGHER THAN THAT < 1299715537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well depends on region size, i guess < 1299715600 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299716207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is it with the french? i ask you. < 1299716215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je ne sais pas < 1299716220 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OY VEY < 1299716221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey < 1299716222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW < 1299716223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, honey < 1299716224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly < 1299716234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly Honey. < 1299716236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're ridiculous. < 1299716237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*honey. < 1299716246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS HONEY NOT SWEET < 1299716253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been lied to my whole life! < 1299716256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Too busy being delicious. < 1299716267 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when I eat honey it's lying to me, it pretends to be sweet BUT IT'S NOT < 1299716276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1299716317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, op gregor. < 1299716338 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1299716345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Gregor < 1299716347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1299716352 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1299716356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ban honey. < 1299716358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it now. < 1299716366 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now unban me from #esoteric-minecraft or I ban you from #esoteric :P < 1299716373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're banned in -minecraft?? < 1299716374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299716381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did my unban not work? X-D < 1299716389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #esoteric-minecraft Banlist: Wed Mar 9 05:25:36 *!*Gregor@*.org elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott < 1299716391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahaha < 1299716406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Done :-P < 1299716410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest mistake, I swear. < 1299716418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey mistake < 1299716422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b honey!*@beehive.insectopia.us < 1299716432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just stay being an op. < 1299716434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally reassuring. < 1299716442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very calming < 1299716443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing that someone who isn't a weirdo is an op. < 1299716446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glances at oerjan
< 1299716456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bans elliott -----###
< 1299716465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, banning feels an awful lot like swatting. < 1299716466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How curious. < 1299716468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, typo < 1299716519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH. Tunes does the exact same memory-disk unification as me. < 1299716530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this horrible feeling that all my ideas have been previously invented during Tunes. < 1299716539 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299716722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b noteda*!*@174.122.* < 1299716730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1299716732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that ban < 1299716742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spammer from a while ago < 1299716749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose you're gonna solve the persistent problem :-P < 1299716763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO PROBLEM < 1299716772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuuuuuuure < 1299716794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are all these bans that are so old i have no idea who they are < 1299716817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect time to start anew, with fresh, exciting, relevant, modern bans. < 1299716832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm... < 1299716836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at them :P < 1299716845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as *!*@*.uk < 1299716847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a few should probably stay. some i don't quite understand. < 1299716849 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *!*@*.com < 1299716852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #esoteric Banlist: Wed Jan 19 06:33:28 *!*@unaffiliated/reikon sendak.freenode.net < 1299716855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was dixon. < 1299716865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was dixon. < 1299716875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the person who Quadrescence bought in to taunt fax for ~a whole day < 1299716880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1299716888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ended up having about 90% of the trolling getting trolled for ridiculous hours until i convinced you to ban them both. < 1299716891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*@unaffiliated/reikon < 1299716897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then dixon appealed on quad's behalf. but quad is now gone now. so there should be no problem. < 1299716935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Libster was the guy who (pathetically, admittedly) tried trolling us for like a few days. unlikely to return. < 1299716947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .mx one looks like an anti-spam one. I suspect the "email" ones too < 1299716975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.20:21:40:24 --- join: darfur (n=darfur@c-24-11-26-71.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #esoteric < 1299716975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.20:22:16:02 --- mode: lament set +b *!*n=darfur@*.hsd1.mi.comcast.net < 1299716985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*Libster@*.bltmmd.east.verizon.net < 1299716990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after being an irritating cock < 1299716997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:43:55 Could someone please ask someone to repeat this request? < 1299716997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:43:58 Could someone please ask someone to repeat this request? < 1299716997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about 100 repetitions of this) < 1299717010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and a full recital of 99 bottles of beer triggered by him. < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:08 i see i just escaped the action. < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:13 --- mode: lament set -o lament < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:24 makes the logs rather quick to read... < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:20:20 * lament blows the smoke off the tip of the gun and puts the gun back into the belt < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:21:51 putting retards out of their misery since 2007 < 1299717025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:23:21 * oerjan cunningly detects a ddarius inspiration < 1299717050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/10.10.16:19:46:40 --- join: hyper_cube (4859958e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.89.149.142) joined #esoteric < 1299717050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/10.10.16:19:57:31 --- mode: oerjan set +b *!*4859958e@*.72.89.149.142 < 1299717054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was Sgeo's beyond-retarded pal. < 1299717075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: EXCUSE ME I AM DOING YOUR RESEARCH FOR YOU? < 1299717096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... < 1299717099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks? < 1299717102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THANK YOU. < 1299717108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, fuckin' rude ops these days < 1299717120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the shutup@ bans, those are all mistakes, absolutely < 1299717126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should remove all of them. now. < 1299717127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUUUUURE < 1299717155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :67.15.72.46was Phenax < 1299717163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another moron/troll IIRC < 1299717166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299717169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was the ghetto-speak guy < 1299717178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*darfur@*.hsd1.mi.comcast.net < 1299717204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.19:13:19:57 --- join: Conceptual (n=Conceptu@d14-69-59-38.try.wideopenwest.com) joined #esoteric < 1299717204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.20:21:39:17 --- join: Conceptual (n=Conceptu@d14-69-59-38.try.wideopenwest.com) joined #esoteric < 1299717204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.20:22:16:43 --- mode: lament set +b *!*@d14-69-59-38.try.wideopenwest.com < 1299717206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same ban pain as darfur < 1299717208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pair < 1299717238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that suomi ban is < 1299717246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:24:23 smuckers: so, please explain why you insist on vandalizing our wiki. < 1299717246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:25:00 intense boredom < 1299717252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe leave that ban there :) < 1299717257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299717265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:25:19 smuckers: And vandalism helps? < 1299717266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:25:36 no, i still feel so empty inside < 1299717266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:26:01 maybe a cock in you would fill you up < 1299717273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ESOTERIC, THE HOME OF GOOD ADVICE < 1299717291 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hello there < 1299717293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same as the other email guy < 1299717297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he ban-evaded < 1299717304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: hi. we're cleaning out the ban list. < 1299717387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*4859958e@*.72.89.149.142 < 1299717404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1299717405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo will bring him back < 1299717421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*@67.15.72.46 < 1299717423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I won't < 1299717506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this strange intuition not to unban that wideopenwest guy, so i won't. < 1299717526 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299717578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but how will you ever gauge the accuracy of your intuition if you don't test it? < 1299717591 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299717677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I've found the source of Unlambda's perversity. < 1299717683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1299717685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I believe (though Faré disagrees) the starting point for Tunes should be Hurd+Guile." < 1299717716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what does that have to do with unlambda? oh hm. < 1299717721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: --David Madore < 1299717728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :French nutcase. < 1299717759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1299718031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how does one express the iota combinator with SKI? < 1299718067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's iota? < 1299718139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, the iota combinator < 1299718159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as seen in the language ``Iota'' < 1299718167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming to a Chris Barker near you < 1299718173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: \x. xSK < 1299718179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299718181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest definition would be nice :p < 1299718186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. one that reduces to xSK almost directly...) < 1299718209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK) < 1299718236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> (SI(KS))x(KKx) < 1299718245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> SI(KS)x(KKx) -> < 1299718267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> SI(KS)x(KKx) -> Ix((KS)x)(KKx) < 1299718272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> SI(KS)x(KKx) -> Ix((KS)x)(KKx) -> x((KS)x)(KKx) < 1299718278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> SI(KS)x(KKx) -> Ix((KS)x)(KKx) -> x((KS)x)(KKx) -> xSK < 1299718282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good enough :-P < 1299718291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (Writing a Lazy K implementation; having Iota would be inelegant!) < 1299718361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually I can't really figure out a "clean" way to do Lazy K in Haskell, the "FFI" so-to-speak between the lazy k and the Haskell to generate the list of church numerals seems difficult to do elegantly < 1299718426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't have to express them directly in SKI... < 1299718437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but the point is that I don't want to have to pattern-match or whatever < 1299718439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to write < 1299718445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unchurch f = f (+1) 0 < 1299718447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1+ < 1299718452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1299718469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlist f = f (\x y -> x : unlist y) < 1299718474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you can do < 1299718479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :map unchurch (unlist p) < 1299718498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suppose I could do < 1299718511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo = Fun (Foo -> Foo) | Int Integer | List [Foo] < 1299718521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but the issue with that is that each parameter would have to know how to operate on Ints, etc. < 1299718521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need at least a newtype wrapper... < 1299718525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*each expression < 1299718544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what's the result of S (List []) (Int 4) (List [Int 3])? < 1299718629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something higher-rank... < 1299718659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: define "higher-rank" :P < 1299718663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1299718665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the types get in the way there... < 1299718668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299718701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suppose I could do "data Foo = Fun (Foo -> Foo) | YouCan'tApplyThatLol Foo Foo | ValueThings" where the middle one is generated when trying to apply non-functions < 1299718704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems awfully hacky < 1299718786 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299718837 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299719086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wanna elaborate on that higher-rank remar? :P < 1299719087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*remark < 1299719109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1299719132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that actually would help < 1299719162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is there is nothing in the type of a combinator that tells whether it actually _should_ be usable as a number < 1299719173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I think the key in < 1299719176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unchurch f = f (+1) 0 < 1299719177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unlist f = f (\x y -> x : unlist y) < 1299719181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you _never_ apply them to anything else < 1299719188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all you need is something like < 1299719194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh or wait < 1299719197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns into 1+1+1+1+0 < 1299719209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299719211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you have no way to know whether you pass it an f that would try to apply (+1) to S, or something < 1299719215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299719227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just error out when applying an int or whatever... I _think_ < 1299719235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Dynamic? < 1299719240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fact I think that's what a Scheme implementation would do < 1299719246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(representing them as pure lambdas < 1299719251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((f 1+) 0) < 1299719255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> if it applies the 0, fail < 1299719259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> if it applies the 1+ to a function, fail < 1299719268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299719272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be nice if _everything_ could evaluate without error < 1299719278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could just infiniloop, but that's chetaing) < 1299719280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cheating) < 1299719289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because from an LC point of view, you can treat a piece of data as anything you want < 1299719290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it "works" < 1299719293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions all have infinite arguments :) < 1299719312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw your swattage is required: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FireFly/Enterbrainfuck&action=history < 1299719322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed < 1299719370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, jwz moved off livejournal < 1299719438 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299719439 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299719439 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1299719886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299719888 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-170-27.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299720630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if implementing the underlying @ objects on top of an existing system would be useful for prototyping the higher-level materials before porting the lower-level ones to x86-64. < 1299720876 0 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-7-105.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299721205 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299721289 0 :augur!~augur@96.231.217.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299721305 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1299721316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I HIRE YOU TO WORK ON @. < 1299721321 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299721432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: RESPOND < 1299721674 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-19.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299721692 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299721693 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299722087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Psht. < 1299722436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pShit? < 1299722906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you say RTK2 was any good or not? ...or was it the kana volume that's no good < 1299722916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, RTK2 looks Chinese-focused. < 1299723537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299723542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: is "call [di]" actually ok? < 1299723548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. di contains the address of a subroutine to call < 1299723661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call or di < 1299723688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: f u < 1299723762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299723765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably set up a stack before trying to call < 1299723767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's working anyway < 1299723768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1299723986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RTK2 is the reading volume, and it's not really worth it. < 1299724003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What would you suggest as a substitute? < 1299724021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm intending to buy RTK1 and 3 (together to help shipping costs) at least. < 1299724050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/about/overview-page < 1299724061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YOUR DEFLECTION IS SO DEFLECTY, MY FRIEND. < 1299724077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Learn to read aloud 10,000 gramatically correct, native-like Japanese sentences/phrases (confession: I only learned ~7500 in the 18-month period, but you are better than me). < 1299724081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299724094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. That'll do it. < 1299724114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeeees... but that doesn't exactly help. < 1299724127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To learn Japanese, learn Japanese." "Okay, how?" "By taking actions such that you will learn Japanese." < 1299724143 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a very zz038 thing < 1299724146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 even < 1299724175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THE ISSUE HERE. < 1299724275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suggest you simply straight-up start learning Japanese after RTK1, rather than brute-forcing vague rules for how to remember one of the readings for the kanji. < 1299724290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll get the readings without much work, trust me. < 1299724310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Staring at a bunch of kanji won't magically impart upon me the ability to read them, unless I either have a defective definition of "read", or the human brain has magical powers. < 1299724386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Define "read", maybe I'm misunderstanding. < 1299724452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Basically, I am suggesting you do as Khatzumoto did: pick a sentence. Learn how to read it. Learn enough to understand it. Be sure to be able to write it. Stick it in your SRS. Repeat. < 1299724491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Stick it in your SRS" -- this requires the ability to type Japanese text on the computer, which AFAIK involves knowing the readings; do you propose I pick characters out from a map? < 1299724525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: First, after *not very long* you will know *a* reading for most of the kanji. Second, http://jisho.org/kanji/radicals/ < 1299724540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Third, have a text file containing Heisig keywords & kanji. < 1299724553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fourth, there's some site that lets you draw a kanji and it'll try to OCR it. < 1299724585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fifth, if it's on the web you can copy-paste. Sixth, dude step two is "learn how to read it". < 1299724621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (1) By what logic? Like I said, *I am not going to learn readings just by staring at kanji*. (2) Yes, a friend pointed me to this; it looks quite nice, but I wouldn't want to write out an entire sentence like that. (3) That sounds nice; wonder if there are any available to download, since I'm lazy. (4) Fair enough; still sounds tedious, though. (5) True. (6) How -- magic? I'm asking for *resources* here. < 1299724643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You look them up. < 1299724648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're answering "so how should I learn the readings?" with "Loop: learn a reading. Repeat." which is not helpful. < 1299724668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: You look them up. ;; Where? jisho.org? < 1299724675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, sure. < 1299724689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, RTK2-ing things is not going to help you much. < 1299724692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Among other things" -- I'm explicitly asking for resources here. < 1299724710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: jisho.org is the one I usually use. < 1299724724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E6%9B%B8 ;; picking at random, the "Readings" section here does not include a Japanese entry. Am I looking in the wrong place, or does this kanji not have a reading or something? (I literally picked at random.) < 1299724734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And have, of course, very little idea what I am talking about. < 1299724735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1299724736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.) < 1299724746 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at Weebls-stuff's Owls song
< 1299724754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are the Chinese readings the relevant ones? < 1299724759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Look at "Japanese kun" and "Japanese on". < 1299724764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299724781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Need I learn both, or is one vastly more useful than the other? < 1299724788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking from an SRS POV. < 1299724798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will *undoubtedly* learn both. < 1299724828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kun readings are used primarily for words of native Japanese origin, and on primarily for Chinese origin words. < 1299724834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And both are *extremely* common. < 1299724838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh joy. < 1299724848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And RTK2 only covers the on readings. < 1299724863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, only *one* on reading per character; some have multiple. < 1299724867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So is there a pre-available text file of Heisig's readings and the kanji? Entering that sounds like a bitch because of the aforementioned can't-fucking-type-it problem. < 1299724885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme find a nice one for you. < 1299724887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are IMEs based on the kun or the on? Please forgive my stupid questions. < 1299724914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMEs are based on whichever reading is appropriate in context. < 1299724929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now would be a bad time to mention that I fucking hate context. < 1299724930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just type in how it would actually be said, and it figures it out. < 1299724943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I have a trouble committing to any long-term endeavour unless I know all the steps beforehand. :p < 1299725047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/data/Heisig_complete_v3.rtf Annoyingly, it's RTF. < 1299725098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But includes the keywords, stories when available, and relevant kun readings. < 1299725165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for learning how things work based on context: the human brain is magic. < 1299725250 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: holy shit, that's all the characters and stories? < 1299725263 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1299725269 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote the additional ones? < 1299725274 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he only includes the first 500 or so? < 1299725293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RTK Yahoo! group. < 1299725300 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1299725315 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the license on that? and are the first 500 or so stories heisig's or theirs? < 1299725321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown license. < 1299725326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTF? Euurgh. < 1299725327 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1299725341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, all it needs is " ". < 1299725343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could probably find another one containing the same info, buut that's the first one I found, and it seems decent. < 1299725361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yay, it's in a retarded format so I'll have to convert it specially to get something greppable. < 1299725409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wouldn't it be far more effective to have a file with _just_ the mnemonics without the flavour text, so that one can grep the memorised mnemonics to get the kanji...? >_< < 1299725410 0 :augur!~augur@96.231.227.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299725454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably? < 1299725480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just thinking that there's no computerised way to go from list of mnemonics --> kanji character. < 1299725482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you could tell Anki to export a CSV containing just the kanji & mnemonics values from the RTK deck you have. < 1299725490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1299725498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if those post-500 stories were included in the book, too. :p < 1299725730 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299725823 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299725867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So in summary, all I need to buy is RTK1&3 and if I'm feeling TOTALLY EXTRAVAGANT, RTKana. < 1299725878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RTK3 isn't even all that necessary. < 1299725888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah. < 1299725895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but I might be able to save on shipping costs if I buy both together, and I might as well get it. < 1299725905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It occurs to me that I have a trouble committing to any long-term endeavour unless I know all the steps beforehand. :p <-- well you're not alone :) < 1299725920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you'll probably be making extensive use of BitTorrent. < 1299725925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, oerjan refused to be born until the whole process was explained to him < 1299725932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so after I get my Ph.D., what then?" < 1299725934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh..." < 1299725937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know what, fuck you, you're going in." < 1299725947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and that's why oerjan is spending his days in here! < 1299725952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares for extreme swattage.
< 1299725957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swattage of a kind never seen before. < 1299725981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: STOP STARING AT ME IT'S WORSE THAN SWATTING. < 1299725989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BAN HIM IF HE DOESN'T STOP STARING AT ME < 1299726041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly oerjan's connection has died. < 1299726067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THAT EXPLAINS SO MUCH < 1299726075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: took you a while to type that < 1299726093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in the backscroll < 1299726093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see the rest of us did it the smart way, we just asked for the instruction manual. < 1299726171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :87E55BFF3787E5C3 < 1299726176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "87E55BFF3787E5C3" `div` 2 < 1299726177 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1299726182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bytes for @. not bad. < 1299726302 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299726311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so about five bytes of overhead < 1299726387 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299726459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick! what do I call >r and r> if I have no > :P < 1299726468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do to_r but that's boring < 1299726504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, tor and fromr are good enough < 1299726666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably implement integer literals at some point < 1299726718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, one other source for readings. < 1299726736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Material intended for children and/or learners of Japanese has furigana. < 1299726751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furigana looks TOTES BORING though. < 1299726757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(furigana, BTW, is where the reading of kanji is written beside or above the kanji, depending on writing orientation) < 1299726766 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're >r and r>? < 1299726783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what furigana is. < 1299726788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1299726819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Japan, by law, newspapers using kanji outside the jōyō kanji list must annotate them with furigana." < 1299726829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Japan just trying to make things really easy for foreigners or something? < 1299726858 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299726899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That practice started before Japan had a high level of literacy in the population. < 1299726904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hiragana are sometimes used to write words which would normally written with katakana to make them appear more "feminine", particularly in comic books and cartoons for young girls." --omniglot.com < 1299726911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there's the stupidest idea I've ever heard right there. < 1299726925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wrong, anyways. < 1299726943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing in all-hiragana just seems a bit childish. < 1299726957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, well, how many kanji do kids know, anyways? < 1299726974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :348957938457348957983457834975983457 < 1299727029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299727048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IT'S A FACTUAL FIGURE. < 1299727191 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299727202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Often the speed advantage of C/C++ (as well as the relative portability) out-weighs the use of other languages." < 1299727202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1299727210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish this myth of speed would die. < 1299727213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forever. < 1299727250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: JOIN ME IN PURGING THE WORLD OF MYTHOLOGY. < 1299727307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, myth of "speed" being so important, or is C/C++ not relatively fast for similar straightforward code? Can you please explain the latter? (I grok the former) < 1299727422 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299727886 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299727898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The myths w.r.t. speed have a lot more to do with slowness of other language than speed of C. < 1299727956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Except that other languages *aren't* slow; other languages are *slower*. < 1299727964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ignoring Ruby and the like, which really are just slow.) < 1299727971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah. And? < 1299727985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, so it's not valid. < 1299728011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Especially considering that in any "modern" OS, a program's time is spent in something like 100% syscalls (rounding up from 99.9%) < 1299728020 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299728022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, of course, why @ has syscall inlining. :p < 1299728025 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the program, but yeah, that's true, and people don't realize that :P < 1299728038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE JOYS OF RUNNING EVERYTHING IN RING 0 < 1299728113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STILL ACCEPTING LIBC.SO DONATIONS < 1299728194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, have you received any donations? < 1299728199 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One! < 1299728225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you count self-donations in that? < 1299728229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1299728236 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-donations aren't donations. < 1299728299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPERT RESEARCHERS HAVE DISCOVERED THE ONE THING THAT WILL RESURRECT THE ADVICE ANIMALS MEME'S FUNNINESS. < 1299728308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advice Wolfram. < 1299728310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've invented a completely revolutionary form of breakfast technology < 1299728310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it 'toast' < 1299728338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE! MORE! < 1299728374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: extra points if you manage to get the real wolfram to sue < 1299728386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I took a dump today and it was shaped like a möbius strip < 1299728387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A New Kind of Shit" < 1299728392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THIS HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL. < 1299728398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1876, Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone < 1299728398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why I'm a genius" < 1299728427 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299728532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's the simplest universal Turing machine < 1299728532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discovered by the most advanced intellect on the planet" < 1299728687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Matthew Cook? < 1299728687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of him." < 1299728877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADVICE BERTRAND RUSSELL: < 1299728883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, hi, Reverend! Want a cup of tea? < 1299728883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go get my spaceship" < 1299729010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmhmm, in a perl -ne '...' a b c invocation, is there a way to get at the current filename? < 1299729239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ARGV < 1299729251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: doesn't that just give the first filename? < 1299729254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they actually popped off? < 1299729258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oerjan knows perl? :) < 1299729266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ARGV contains the name of the current file when reading from <>. < 1299729272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know how to do man perlvar < 1299729280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNAPPY SNAPPY < 1299729374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1299729390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan, if you're so smart, how do I print a variable quoted (i.e. with " escaped) >:) < 1299729435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION switches to man perlfunc
< 1299729462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You kids and your fancy manpages. < 1299729465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in my day, we just asked oerjan. < 1299729517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print "\Q$VAR"; possibly < 1299729541 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299729543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\Q$VAR\E for longer things, it seems < 1299729544 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299729553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to escape an awful lot, though :) < 1299729558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be intended for regexps < 1299729577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even escapes spaces X_X < 1299729644 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299729665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 195M 2011-03-10 04:41 esoteric.pl < 1299729668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let the extension fool you < 1299729670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Prolog. < 1299729676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to feed it into gprolog and hope it doesn't die. < 1299729685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error! < 1299729690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: \Q is way too overzealous :P < 1299729821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it just uses perl's simple backslashing rule < 1299729980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WELL MAYBE I DON'T WANT A SIMPLE RULE < 1299729982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE I WANT A CLEVER RULE < 1299729998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write a substitution. i hear perl is good for that. < 1299730083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your snarkiness is unmatched, bro. < 1299730085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unmatched. < 1299730124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bronmatched. < 1299730132 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299730145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unmatched '. < 1299730159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bro. < 1299730207 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299730249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tomorrow I'll buy RTK1&3, I think. < 1299730301 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DONATE TO DA LIBC.SO FUND DOIT < 1299730351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ARE THE VALID STRING ESCAPES IN PROLOG BITCHES < 1299730357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT I BITCHINGLY ASK YOU < 1299730360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BITCH < 1299730518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not always true that a program spends 100% of its time in syscalls. < 1299730526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just true for some 99% of the programs people care about. < 1299730535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Rounding up, 100%. < 1299730541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% of programs spend 100% of their time in syscalls. < 1299730548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 100% of the time spent in syscalls is spent waiting for IO. < 1299730606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world of computing is waiting for the new supercomputer optimized for waiting < 1299730648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299730796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, all i want to do is query #esoteric with prolog :) < 1299730933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, gwern used to be in here < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:42:32 ah < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:42:39 there's an O(n) one for base-16 isn't there? < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:44:12 No, from what I understand O(n^2) is the best one. < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:44:21 (for finding arbitrary digits) < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the digits of pi) < 1299731112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1299731119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i misinterpreting this or was 2009-pikhq MISINFORMED < 1299731155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1299731156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:32:36 * pikhq wishes that getting a digit of pi were a function of the previous digits < 1299731156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1299731159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a function of the position :P < 1299731169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was *really* stupid. < 1299731172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean damn. < 1299731179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. You were pretty much the WORST! < 1299731180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1299731205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well blaim it on his youth < 1299731208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blame < 1299731234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blames his spelling on senile old age
< 1299731236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to think pikhq was like 24 < 1299731238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he was all like < 1299731239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey gus < 1299731241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guys < 1299731246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 20 now!!!! < 1299731247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like < 1299731248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1299731266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Gregor was older than i expected, at 30 < 1299731425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix error < 1299731426 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *E... < 1299731431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (show . error) < 1299731435 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1299731436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (error . show) < 1299731439 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Ex... < 1299731445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oerjan: wut < 1299731450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299731459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time show has ever REMOVED a quote :) < 1299731497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee that probably defaults to () inside... < 1299731505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1299731520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show . error is obviously a string < 1299731526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> String < 1299731532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: show . error just time limits, though < 1299731539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fix error) afaict should not output " < 1299731543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm just wondering why < 1299731546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless error's return value is defaulting to string < 1299731547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird < 1299731550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix error :: () < 1299731550 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `()' < 1299731551 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[GHC.Types... < 1299731555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t error < 1299731555 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [Char] -> a < 1299731557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299731558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course < 1299731561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think lambdabot does something special with errors < 1299731561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error is casted to a -> a < 1299731563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== String -> String < 1299731567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fix is (a -> a) -> a < 1299731570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the result is a String < 1299731572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes to show the string < 1299731573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299731575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluates what's inside < 1299731577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAM INFINITE ERRORS < 1299731583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no? < 1299731584 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299731615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah < 1299731633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1299731634 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299731635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299731644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "ab" ++ error "hm" < 1299731646 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ab*Exception: hm < 1299733059 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299733098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gaaah*, US immigration. < 1299733106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a quota of 700,000 per year. Total. < 1299733117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50,000 of that is divided out in a lottery. Literally a lottery. < 1299733167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40,000 is for people with advanced degrees. < 1299733248 0 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1299733403 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299733498 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299733867 0 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1299734073 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299734808 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299734987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last 6 nights, i have had a dream containing exactly one person i know, in all cases they have done something that is just slightly not characteristic to them < 1299735248 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299735270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does elliott want to learn japanese? that sounds crazy < 1299735612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Quite honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if he keeps it up for a week. < 1299735775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i find the wanting interesting < 1299735987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't manually start obsessions in his age either, or at least the skill started developing thereabouts < 1299736313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 700,000 very little? you have what 500 million people or what? < 1299736372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a webpage where you could look this stuff up < 1299736479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :700,000 is freaking tiny. < 1299736509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have 308 million people. < 1299736514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299736539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they don't want to ruin your pure american blood < 1299736549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even worse when you consider that a *gigantic* chunk of those you basically get for luck. < 1299736566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest way to immigrate, though, is to marry an American. < 1299736575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You immediately get permanent residency. < 1299736581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of this *waiting 10 years* bullshit. < 1299736585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they organize temporary weddingings for this stuff < 1299736594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens sometimes. < 1299736608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you divorce < 1299736642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have the green card; you're not freaking losing it. < 1299736651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1299736753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's this girl in the graph theory course, she told us she knows how to solve the discrete logarithm problem: "instead of logarithms, you take the integrals. then, you take the discrete version instead, because that's easier to think about. now, the crucial thing is that they come from the other dimensions, and you can call them in *every point*." "erm, call what?" "well... umm... all of them! and then the you take the ring, and they keep circlin < 1299736768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately, it seems easier to immigrate to Japan than the US. And Japan has an *infamously* difficult immigration system. < 1299736788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then person x asked what the discrete logarithm is, and i explained, and the girl was like "oh that's what it is? lol, i was solving a much harder problem" < 1299736805 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299736810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299736852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this "girl" is actually like 40 but anyway < 1299736878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Japan has: no quotas. No "temporary worker" visas. No waiting lists. 5 years after being in the country and you can apply for citizenship. Permanent residency is an absurd bitch, though) < 1299736893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, permanent residency is harder than citizenship) < 1299736954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know how things work in finland either < 1299736961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have little to compare with < 1299736966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume we do things in a relatively sane way < 1299736974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we're one of the normal countries < 1299737005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BORING countries :(((((((((((( < 1299737026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never even seen a massacre < 1299737064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure on how the visas work, but citizenship seems relatively sane. < 1299737089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, visas only relevant for non-Schengen. < 1299737105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa is awesome though, we had this researcher from allah country x, and he could never get to the conferences in usa because of that < 1299737150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he wrote INFIDELS MUST DIE in the application paper, dunno < 1299737332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At worst, you could immigrate to Finland by immigrating to the easiest EU country to immigrate to, get citizenship, and move. < 1299737353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, cheating. < 1299737425 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299737542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, seems that to immigrate to Finland you need to just have family there, intend to study there, or intend to work there. < 1299737560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila, you get a residence permit. < 1299737571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be there for 6 years, and you can get citizenship. Voila. < 1299737609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't we NAIVE. < 1299737710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you need to know one of Finnish, Swedish, or Finnish sign language to become a citizen. < 1299737754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. Entirely sane and manageable. < 1299737823 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299737834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish is essentially english, and finnish is essentially estonian < 1299737869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep schedule upside-down. < 1299737871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All-nightering. < 1299737875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is pleasant surprise, hello. < 1299737919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1299737923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:15:46 and does elliott want to learn japanese? that sounds crazy < 1299737924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:21:29 oklopol: Quite honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if he keeps it up for a week. < 1299737945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've been sleeping 7pm-3am lately < 1299737945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's menial busywork, it's not like projects where I can architecture myself way out of space and then realise it'll be an unholy bitch to do < 1299737959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, that's the worst. well 8pm-4am is the absolute worst, IMHO < 1299737965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i luv it < 1299737966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I'm on 6 am - 4 pm, basically < 1299737969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's wrecking me < 1299737976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've done a lot of that stuff < 1299738001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the pmtoam is new to me, and it seems to work better than a normal sleep schedule < 1299738014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: midday/1pm wakeup is ideal imho < 1299738026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice warm afternoon wakeup, late sleepytime < 1299738170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well see i love being at the university, alone in the darkness < 1299738203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i like nighttime, but when i don't get much daytime at all when i wake up it fucks me up a bit < 1299738206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying < 1299738214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: True, it will be much easier for you to estabilish inertia. < 1299738228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"estbailish" < 1299738232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm allowed to typo < 1299738233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tired < 1299738234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not < 1299738236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good retort man < 1299738241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: fuckin a < 1299738246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :punctuation is too hard :)) < 1299738251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna sleep already, this is not goodgoing < 1299738253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elliott: you suck" "pikhq: haha typo" < 1299738259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1299738261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299738261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299738263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1299738266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it < 1299738268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone insult me < 1299738269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were like what you prefix your things with < 1299738272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone insult me < 1299738279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are a fucking idiot < 1299738283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: typo < 1299738286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm sleep deprived and should be going to bed right now. I'm tired. < 1299738288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol can't you see it < 1299738292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But COMPUTER < 1299738296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: haha join the club it's the best club *hi5* < 1299738296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME ADDICT < 1299738302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i woke up at 4 pm, it's now 7 am < 1299738304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about you < 1299738314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... I am not worthy < 1299738321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been cutting sleep short an hour or two the past week. < 1299738334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to sleep at 23 and woke up at 8 < 1299738335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing near as crazy as that, because I have class. < 1299738351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what classes?!? < 1299738354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why's it sound crazy though, legit interested < 1299738361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me wanting to learn moonspeak) < 1299738372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dunno, just kinda random < 1299738374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Linear algebra, differential equations, logic, and current political issues. < 1299738377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd want to learn japanese < 1299738391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah the four classics < 1299738394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oklopol < 1299738399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took those on my first year < 1299738416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 皆！皆が日本語を勉強したいぜっ！ < 1299738434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i want to learn japanese because i already know some of it, originally i just wanted to learn *a* language < 1299738453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's agglutinative, doesn't have a boring latin-derivative alphabet, and, I dunno < 1299738458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: all! all will japanese want to learn ze < 1299738464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other contestant was Finnish. but your alphabet is boring. < 1299738474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Everyone! Everyone wants to learn Japanese! < 1299738474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if your agglutinativity is better i guess. whatev. < 1299738478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah < 1299738479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet that looks much less like moonspeak to you now. < 1299738487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've translated it better if i'd known i'd know all the kanji < 1299738494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, it looks exactly like moonspeak. i didn't continue with the sampler < 1299738494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Lame. :P < 1299738501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Baaah. < 1299738505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i can see that they're theoretically made out of multiple bits at least :D < 1299738539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no lame < 1299738589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that all kanji, is minna one of its readings? < 1299738595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the one used there < 1299738600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but ehh, with finnish i'd have to like get down to the business of actually learning the shits quickly < 1299738607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1299738612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no funky alphabet < 1299738619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: with japanese I can trick myself into thinking it's easy enough to continue because I have to learn all dem kanjae first < 1299738629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't take you that long < 1299738630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is trivial but time-consuming. < 1299738653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: rtk1&3 is ~3 months i think < 1299738657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which == 3 oklopol hours < 1299738693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have spent quite a lot more than 3 hours on the kanji :D < 1299738704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least hmmhmm 50 hours maybe < 1299738706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1299738706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: underachiever < 1299738707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less < 1299738711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyhows < 1299738722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty too. although finnish is also pretty < 1299738726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i still don't know that many < 1299738739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, "kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen", who can ever understand words like that, finnish is too hard < 1299738746 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299738760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totta t�m�. < 1299738778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just add a few more vowels, it could almost pass for Japanese. :P < 1299738789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: i invented that word. < 1299738790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1299738794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with MINIMAL aid from oklopol. < 1299738808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:50:10 At worst, you could immigrate to Finland by immigrating to the easiest EU country to immigrate to, get citizenship, and move. < 1299738809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "emigrate" more correct here < 1299738820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kakusikyammentanerujatsunchiaikakaushitamanhettakinen. < 1299738823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bah. < 1299738829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what does that mean, doorknob testtube? < 1299738836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: neruya < 1299738843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not neruja < 1299738845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's Japanese-sounding gibberish. < 1299738856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aka "Japanese" < 1299738871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Coming from an actual Japanese speaker. < 1299738878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its called a j03333k < 1299738881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a joek < 1299738883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a tortoise < 1299738893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's tortoises all the way down. < 1299738902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, what's the square root of two? < 1299738995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 1.4something < 1299738997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is my dream (one of many) to sneak up on pikhq one day and start speaking to him in fluent japanese < 1299739002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't wanna go to japan on anything < 1299739004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pikhq < 1299739008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1299739020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: let's do it TOGETHER < 1299739022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1299739023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, yes < 1299739027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's get on a flight to japan pikhq is taking < 1299739029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go up to him < 1299739030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak fluent japanese < 1299739032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off the flight < 1299739036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then immediately get a return flight < 1299739048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, now he knows < 1299739048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1299739055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got any vodka, need to make him forget :/ < 1299739055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW NOTHING < 1299739076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT THAT I SHOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THIS 42 GALLONS OF EVERCLEAR < 1299739093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's the slight glitch in the plan that he probably won't share his whereabouts that easily < 1299739105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i knew where you people lived, i'd have come visit many times already < 1299739120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Uh, I have. Several times. < 1299739124 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299739140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i have not paid attention i suppose < 1299739156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow usa is kind of different because i don't really know a cheapish way there < 1299739160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's in colorado springs... in the past < 1299739168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And present. < 1299739179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299739181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you moved < 1299739181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just outside of Colorado Springs. < 1299739184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah supposedly it came up in the "hey we're fucking each others' neighbors" thingie < 1299739184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that just into the clitty < 1299739186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :city < 1299739190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. Back to Colorado Springs. < 1299739190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what < 1299739195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember who the other guy was < 1299739195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Missouri. < 1299739198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: where were you before that, buttfuck colorado? < 1299739198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pikhq and someone else < 1299739199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299739203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missouri = buttfuck colorado < 1299739216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to yawn < 1299739216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Wuh? < 1299739217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i yawn oklopol? < 1299739219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it safe? < 1299739224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299739228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice and safe < 1299739231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Missouri is 12 hours of driving from here. < 1299739232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made me yawn. < 1299739235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299739241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: buttfuck coloradozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1299739245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: didn't you and someone else here notice you were each others' neighbors < 1299739251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're oklopol, you're meant to be immune to the yawn STD < 1299739252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1299739254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only like 50 miles between < 1299739256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Uh, no? < 1299739260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299739261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood < 1299739262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1299739264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really? :P < 1299739266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't he in colorado sploots < 1299739267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol < 1299739268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 50 miles between? Right, bsmntbombdood. < 1299739270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1299739273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1299739273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remembered right < 1299739275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im genius < 1299739277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasnt even there < 1299739280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was in, like, Boulder, wasn't he? < 1299739281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i picked that up by logreading < 1299739282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299739282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299739283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1299739283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299739291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol, what's your full address < 1299739298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not giving it here < 1299739306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but i wanna get on a plane today ......... < 1299739314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a spa called caribia pretty close tho < 1299739319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: GIVE IT IN /MSG < 1299739324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you've told me before < 1299739327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really just jigging my memory. < 1299739343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The distance from here to Missouri is longer than the distance from the southernmost point of the UK to the northernmost point. Now shaddup about Missouri being buttfuck Colorado. < 1299739356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: its like the nether in minecraft, the distances in the usa are just multiplied < 1299739357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is bigger < 1299739359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just scale it down < 1299739391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would give the US positively ridiculous population density. < 1299739403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's hardly the most ridiculous part of the USA :) < 1299739439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,264 people per km² is what it would come down to. < 1299739484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of what it actually is, 33 km². < 1299739491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a density! < 1299739495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot a people and a slash < 1299739500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1299739502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1299739511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott owns at debating atm < 1299739515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299739519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm seeing the inner structure of arguments < 1299739525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out, mostly the inner structure is just trivial bullshit. < 1299739528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do what i can < 1299739567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay time to go, we have this great thingie on automata and number theory < 1299739892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq < 1299739895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do you know about x86 < 1299739911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299739918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299739932 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-210.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299740590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf @ rword... < 1299740779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 00:58:01 as for your code, i cannot read intel assembler. < 1299740790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There aren't enough sigils, and the operand order is too logical. < 1299740813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm not burdened by having to spell out the obvious operand sizes in every instruction name. < 1299741351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq pikhq pikhq. how much x86 know you < 1299741393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5230043/computational-cost-of-applicative-style < 1299741395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPLICATIVE STYLE < 1299741396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT SLOW < 1299742528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299742538 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299742770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299743283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: talking to ams is like a ticking timebomb < 1299743288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just waiting for him to get annoyed at something i say < 1299743290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or realise he ignored me once < 1299743381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway, we named the OS GNU, please call it that when refering to GNU. < 1299743458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which OS is this? < 1299743462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Linux. < 1299743465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ams is a major GNU zealot. < 1299743494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm busy trying to blow his mind by mentioning that Kitten has (will have, would have) almost no GNU software. < 1299743497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a name like that (edit distance of 1 from rms) he'd sort of have to be. < 1299743503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably I will blow his mind right with me on to his ignore list. < 1299743509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He's a "well-known" IRC malcontent/troll. < 1299743522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very much in the "scene". < 1299743527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should join more channels some day. < 1299743563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This is hilarious: he's arguing that GNU have naming rights to a system with almost no GNU software, just because they were, you know, there at the right place at the right time. < 1299743574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we named the OS GNU", honestly, what a god complex. < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : besides, Linus holds the trademark to Linux, not GNU nor ~rms < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: and? < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: people saying lies can always say lies. < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: we hold a trademark on GNU btw. < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299743618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hard part here is keeping up this schtick long enough to irritate him without annoying him so much outright that he just concludes I'm a troll. < 1299743647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU coding standard quotation of the day: < 1299743648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don’t use “win” as an abbreviation for Microsoft Windows in GNU software or documentation. In hacker terminology, calling something a “win” is a form of praise. If you wish to praise Microsoft Windows when speaking on your own, by all means do so, but not in GNU software. Usually we write the name “Windows” in full, but when brevity is very important (as in file names and sometimes symbol names), we abbreviate it to “w”. For instance, t < 1299743648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he files and functions in Emacs that deal with Windows start with ‘w32’. < 1299743670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...wow. < 1299743727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: it is also immensly rude to those who wrote the OS to give credit for someone who only did a small work (in the grand scheme of things) < 1299743736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ego. < 1299743737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so immense. < 1299743748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I think I understand now. < 1299743761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He maintains GNU inetutils, implementations of ping etc. that absolutely no distro uses. < 1299743769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> HULK SMASH RUDE GNU HATERS < 1299743769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must start calling it Linux/GNU/God. Because, you know, the grand scheme of things. < 1299743789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in the other order, maybe. < 1299743797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you like... put that in the ChanServ welcome message? < 1299743822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel we can never quote it enough. < 1299743826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it be Electricity/GNU/Linux < 1299743828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299743831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Started to copy fizzie's troll.) < 1299743835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Linux&word2=GNU%2FLinux < 1299743881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can't link that to him, it requires Flash, which is a tool of the evil empire < 1299743883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*empire. < 1299743909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ams> elliott: you would be correct if you go back a few years, then it was more common to refer to GNU/Linux incorrecly as Linux. < 1299743911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but these days the opposite it true, which is good < 1299743915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and you can help us clear up the mess < 1299743934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, he's explained it. < 1299743934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: elliott: google will filter out the slash < 1299743937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But of course. < 1299743944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S why. < 1299743999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299744000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299744009 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299744055 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it sort-of does, which is why searching for "GNU/Linux" also hits some pages that just say "GNU Linux" in addition to the ones that say "GNU/Linux". < 1299744067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ams "we" do not hold, FSF holds on our behalf, but I object to tacit procuration; who (as in the People) appointed FSF holder of anything; it's people who delegate by contract to FSF to hold their surrendered rights, and thus lose those rights. what is mine is no longer mine when i transfer rights to another. < 1299744067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299744076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#forth, it has the crazy. < 1299744090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds almost as topical as this channel. < 1299744114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: that makes absolutley no sense, and you are spouting lies. < 1299744118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiots arguing with idiots. < 1299744178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's sprouting lilies. < 1299744238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: i can saftley say we seeing i've been part of the GNU project for some odd 20+ years < 1299744238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: even before we applied for TM of GNU. < 1299744240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had GNU on vinyl. < 1299744272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : linux didnt exist before '93; i started using Linux in '94. < 1299744273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 91. < 1299744273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: more lies. < 1299744273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you started using gnu in 94. < 1299744278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD THE NOISE. < 1299744286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey fizzie, what operating system are you running? < 1299744314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running the GNU/GNU/GNU/GNU/GNU/Lie-nux, because I want to GIVE RESPECT to the MAN. < 1299744326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WRONG. You're running UNIVERSE. < 1299744330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the most important contributor in the scheme of things. < 1299744332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: LIES. < 1299744352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.trademarkia.com/gnu-76627381.html ← must be the trademark he's talking about. < 1299744362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Quick, what's the -ology of naming? < 1299744367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chronological = ology of time. < 1299744372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names, nomenclature, etc. < 1299744463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL < 1299744506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: what happened in 92 or whatever, was that a bunch of people took a basic GNU system, and ported it to work with the Linux kernel. < 1299744512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you think this guy actually believes what he's saying? < 1299744554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the quotes I've seen, he does sound like a True Believer. < 1299744598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he maintains his blog as an info page... yeah, must be truly insane < 1299744732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if we are refering to the same tunes... < 1299744733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ams: Faré tunes, tunes.org TUNES? Expediency and whatnot? < 1299744733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dead as a thing that is quite thoroughly dead? < 1299744733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: TUNES is a Useful, Not Expedient, System? < 1299744733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, yes. < 1299744738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think he uses the rms Web Browser. < 1299744742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. another machine running a mail daemon and wget. < 1299744937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMve understood one point of that is to reduce distractions; spending time arguing in IRC sounds rather defeatingous then. < 1299744945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/M/'/ < 1299744991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It distracts from vital Toe-Picking-and-Eating time < 1299744993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time. < 1299744995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All GNU higher-ups do it. < 1299745022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Provided without context: can i be your first groupie? < 1299745141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, but I must quote something more. < 1299745142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "When will TUNES be done?" < 1299745142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : prolly something like that ;-) < 1299745142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : like Hurd, never < 1299745142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: the Hurd has had three releases. < 1299745155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the Head Zealot could with a straight face defend the Hurd as not being vapourware. < 1299745204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011 - year of Hurd on Desktop? < 1299745243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, GNU/Hurd. < 1299745291 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299745302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299745305 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299745310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299745310 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299745868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, < 1299745894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hmm. < 1299745912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any PEG parsers that automatically rewrite left-recursive rules as not? < 1299745932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, apparently ometa actually supports direct left recursion... < 1299745936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not linear time complexity but < 1299745945 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1299746531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Forth's simplicity in comparison is a testament to that. < 1299746531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : testement < 1299746531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 [e] < 1299746532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299747508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Forms: Also ME testement, ME–15 testment." < 1299747519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ME in this context being Middle English.) < 1299747534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299747649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh and learm more about fpga's < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the Reduceron is implemented on an FPGA :) < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : kool < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's basically purely-functional symbolic hardware < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : damn, i need to write (;code) < 1299747654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: may i recommend learning english first. < 1299747656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i find it quite sad that computer programmers often tend to have immensly bad grammar, and vocabulary usage. we who are so precise in communicating with computers can't even use a stupid spoken language properly.. < 1299747659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A zealot *and* a jerk. < 1299747877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why Chuck Moore doesn't respond to emails: "I won't respond to these emails, except on future postings. 'Cause I don't know who you are, and the the web is full of predators." < 1299747882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chuck Moore -- secretly a child. < 1299748541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The guy is IRCing from a vt320. < 1299748544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I am not, in fact, kidding. < 1299748596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not a bad terminal. < 1299748624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does *he* run, anyway? GNU/Linux too? < 1299748629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *GNU < 1299748630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU GNU GNU < 1299748631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNUUUUU < 1299748634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he runs da HURD. < 1299748640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suspect that it is perhaps the only display device he has anywhere near him; he said I would have to convert to a Tektronics vector image to see it. < 1299748653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (I was trying to paste a particularly complicated kanji to make a point about vocabulary, but obviously he can't see that.) < 1299748662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was going to use the GIMP to make a nice big png of it.) < 1299748694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe gNewSense? < 1299748761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: UNFORTUNATELY it seems he has taken it upon himself to learn something about 99% of the languages on earth, so he knew "asztal" when I tried that at first. (Thanks to #esoteric for teaching me the single word of Hungarian I know.) < 1299748767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man is a lunatic. < 1299748777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Previously he put me on /ignore for quoting a revised C99 specification when he asked a question about C99. < 1299748783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said I was a liar because C99 didn't come out in 2007. < 1299748802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBVIOUSLY the behaviour of free(NULL) changed since 1999. < 1299748860 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1299748977 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it must be so that it was the same (do no action) in C89 and in your (I guess it's the "adds the three Technical Corrigendum revisions" one) draft, but briefly different in C99. < 1299749034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Clearly. < 1299749041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And as a liar, I should be /ignored. < 1299749052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Friendster still exists. < 1299749063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "looks different to how it used to look" still exists. < 1299749099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Over 90% of Friendster's traffic comes from Asia. In Asia, Friendster has more monthly unique visitors than any other social network." < 1299749104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a Thing there. < 1299749138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why it looks... like that... < 1299749139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEM CRAZY AZSHUNS. < 1299749146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "like that". < 1299749156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the homepage thing is randomificatified. < 1299749161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay. < 1299749225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YOU MUST SCREENSHOT < 1299749230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like... a rule... god i'm tired < 1299749232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: rarehui < 1299749249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendster ;; uh, nice formatting fail here (Chrome). < 1299749304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/friendster.png is what I got; it's mostly empty thanks to noscript. < 1299749320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey... monstee? < 1299749323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me no so good with spelling. < 1299749333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, err, Friendster is all about games, apparently. < 1299749349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fizzie uses slight, greyscale hinting with err... not Clearlooks Classic... < 1299749352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that GTK theme... < 1299749353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a "social gaming destination". < 1299749360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm. < 1299749361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1299749366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just the stock Ubuntu one, pre whenever? < 1299749370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whenever = when it was redesignified.) < 1299749402 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1299749402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Ubuntu 9.10 at the moment, and I haven't really touched the settings much. < 1299749439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But you did change font hinting. < 1299749442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEVER FORGET A FONT. < 1299749558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a mass upgrade to 10.10 scheduled this month, actually. < 1299749567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds exciting. < 1299749578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apparently 60 TB of new disk space. < 1299749583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh." < 1299749585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Veggie oil; it's generated by burning vegetarians. < 1299749586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're cute < 1299749586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lets have sex < 1299749599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299749600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be time for me to exercise _my_ magical /ignore. < 1299749606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, to figure out how on earth to respond to that. < 1299749615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Dude, it's GNU, it's all about freeee looove. < 1299749619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he's just trying to be friendly. < 1299749633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think this is the first time anything has dumbfounded you enough to warrant an ellipsis on a line of its own. < 1299749669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came out of the proverbial "left field". < 1299749670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will just pretend to be afk. :p < 1299749675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION /away
< 1299749703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can we get a, you know, preemptive ban on him in here? :-p < 1299749733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Gregor, he seems to be pre-emptively +o'd and all. (Tut tut, raising the channel temperature like that.) < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05.11.24:06:59:34 ... < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.08.16:16:40:40 ... < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.08.21:01:20:05 ... < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.08.22:09:46:59 ... < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.08.27:12:55:59 ... < 1299749757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09.10.13:08:31:26 ... < 1299749759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.06:11:46:53 ... < 1299749761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.12.17:07:49:31 ... < 1299749763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11.02.24:12:56:21 ... < 1299749765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, so much for that. < 1299749785 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, respond with "Sorry, I'm /not/ gay." < 1299749787 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, the opposite. < 1299749798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry, I'm female. And gay." < 1299749809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And, err, a paedophile." < 1299749816 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too! < 1299749820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this is a cunning plot by him to make me shut up. < 1299749822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly working. < 1299749843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, he has a FACEBOOK ACCOUNT; that's not very GNU of him. < 1299749849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god my #forth tab is now red. I am scared to click. < 1299749858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott you is goil? < 1299749859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU IS GOIL < 1299749895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please join #forth and say something totally irrelevant but Forth-related. The madness must end! < 1299749913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : keep it in your pant, ams < 1299749933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the 09.10.13 was just "..." in the sense of "what I pasted above goes on"; as was the 10.12.17 instance. But the 10.10.06 one was a "real" one, as a reaction to fungot. < 1299749933 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and here i was going to change < 1299749943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh, but you must never change. < 1299749944 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you like? have you considered making an interactive programming language for scientists, mathematicians and engineers that is also the explicit value of the arguement bpb < 1299749956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: DUTY. < 1299749957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#FORTH. < 1299749958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :END MADNESS. < 1299749977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:03 fizzie: i am your mother.") for online help, try /msg minion cliki? writing a cv in latex is not hard to do, < 1299749978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:21 ... < 1299749978 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and then we can all be haf. i don't want < 1299749982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot sure does amaze its creator. < 1299749983 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lunarcrisis pasted " fibonacci" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ 6949 ( unnamed in fnord < 1299750000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't want to be haf. < 1299750013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wah wah wah neglect social responsibilities < 1299750092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm such an irresponsible guy. < 1299750119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet you go around having SEX with RANDOM PEOPLE ON IRC. < 1299750132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The irresponsibility, bounds, it knows none of them. < 1299750355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:24:03 Quite a lot of names in the nick list compared to the ones that actually appear in the discussion; discuss. < 1299750359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please ban all lurkers. < 1299750372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yiyus and pingveno definitely have to go. < 1299750395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT yiyus has never said a single thing < 1299750402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait < 1299750402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has < 1299750950 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299750963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie, did you actually sleep < 1299751017 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g228062212.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299752594 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228063101.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299752620 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299753268 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299753366 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133074.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299753375 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1299753572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ? < 1299753922 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231146.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299753990 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299754631 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131165.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299754644 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299754855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The Saga Continues: SunTzu: you are assuming i'm a guy < 1299755228 0 :Guest1055!x@ANantes-259-1-141-60.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299755235 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1299755252 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cup is empty and i'm too lazy to make myself another tea < 1299755258 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i will have to eat leaves < 1299755305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ha ha, faux brit < 1299755325 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1299755379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: go write my os for me < 1299755411 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299755415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299755435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you inspired me to go look at how Hurd's been doing in the previous decade: "From 2004 onward, various efforts were launched to port the Hurd to more modern microkernels. The L4 microkernel was the original choice in 2004, but progress slowed to a halt. -- Since 2005, most of the developers' time has gone into thinking about Coyotos -- but progress was slow. In 2008, Neal Walfield began working on the Viengoos microkernel as an alternative. In April 2009, S < 1299755435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hapiro announced that work on the Coyotos project had ceased. As of 2011, development on Viengoos is paused due to Walfield lacking time to work on it. In the meantime, others have continued working on the Mach variant of Hurd." < 1299755445 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like it's almost there. < 1299755455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It still doesn't support USB. < 1299755458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not one bit. < 1299755497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, it's the Thunderbolt age now, or so I hear. Maybe they can just skip USB. < 1299755513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've mentally prepared myself to be all old-farty about that. < 1299755527 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299755534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is taking surprisingly little effort. < 1299755536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have that chaining thing. < 1299755542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey fizzie, I'm sure you'll have no problem, being basically 40. < 1299755543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A single Thunderbolt port supports hubs as well as a daisy chain of up to seven Thunderbolt devices; up to two of these devices may be high-resolution displays using DisplayPort." < 1299755546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost like SCSI. < 1299755550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem* < 1299755553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is a person that is almost 40. < 1299755557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact he is practically 40. < 1299755560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it was 30. < 1299755561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drat. < 1299755570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tauntings are ineffective. or more effective than intended. < 1299755578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you make things so hard for me fizzie :( < 1299755583 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299755589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 is closer, yes; and both are still off in the same direction. < 1299755608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You've been getting older at a rate of one year per year; aren't you 28 now? < 1299755609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, 30. < 1299755635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 in about a month, I think. < 1299755649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. < 1299755656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OK, just means that you've only got ... < 1299755658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do fractions work. < 1299755667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they don't. < 1299755684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far through 75 are you, if you're 30, as a fraction. X_X < 1299755686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain, it is the tired. < 1299755701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhilstly, http://www.wolframcdn.com/sponsor-ads/Mathematica-ring-a.png < 1299755793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, prove to me that you're not a robot. < 1299755812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you like me to do that? < 1299755815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science. < 1299755945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Awaiting science. < 1299755955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s" fizzie" s" robot" compare . -1 ok < 1299755970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's engineering, I want science. < 1299755972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try proving it in HOL Light. < 1299755976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait. < 1299755978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's mathematics. < 1299755981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Calculate it with Fortran. < 1299756032 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224201167.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299756046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may take me a moment; my FORTRAN is rusty. < 1299756063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously though fizzie, did you sleep at some reasonable time and I just didn't noticed? < 1299756068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel this is disturbingly possible. < 1299756075 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299756077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*notice? < 1299756084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did; from about 02~03am to 09am in our time zone. < 1299756097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You crazy man. < 1299756104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns.
< 1299756106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, is it only 12 pm. < 1299756130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, err, fizzie, you know x86, what was I going to ask about x86, um. < 1299756137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW ABOUT FORTH, FIZZIE < 1299756210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very much, I'm afraid; barely enough to get myself into trouble with it. < 1299756306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you see i'm doing this indirect threaded code SHIZZAT -technical term- where < 1299756310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so a dictionary entry is < 1299756312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name, code ptr, data ptr < 1299756321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a "primitive", data=0, and code just points to the asm < 1299756323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for threaded words < 1299756329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data points to a list of pointers into dictionary entries < 1299756330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1299756350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ptr to @ entry, ptr to LITERAL entry, 1, ptr to + entry, ptr to RETURNOFSOMEKIND entry} < 1299756358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: BUT THE PROBLEM IS, the word that threads these right! < 1299756362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to keep track of its data pointer < 1299756362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1299756374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it can push on to the return stack is, you know, an address of its internal code < 1299756384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else might get clobbered -- and WILL get clobbered, if you call another defined-in-Forth word < 1299756398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the traditional solution to this is... I don't know, I think the normal method is more "direct" < 1299756408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneaking another value on to the return stack sounds ugly to me < 1299756413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: impart infinite wisdom to tired soul < 1299756582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like fizzie is a givings up. < 1299756739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: why hath fizzie forsaken me < 1299756749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to Forth, I'm really more of an user than an implementor; when it comes to ITC all I know is that I've seen a lot of confusing rambling about it. < 1299756782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what ITC is :D < 1299756818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1299756826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do it the sane way maybe < 1299756865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/threaded-code.html mips assembly < 1299756867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so helpful < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ; x86 assembly language < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ; Assumes that the first DWORD of a descriptor points to the intended code to execute. < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LODSD < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : MOV EBX,[EAX] < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : JMP EBX < 1299756930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1299756933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*heh < 1299756969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: use lodsd < 1299757046 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299757140 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181129200.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299757310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299757313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that could work! < 1299757327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't need the return stack any more. < 1299757466 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299757544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wtf is this even :) < 1299757557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so, [di] is the main thing. < 1299757619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. wtf. < 1299757625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it usual if I end up having no return stack? < 1299757689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds unusual, since quite often people do use r> and >r. < 1299757751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for nesting those loop counters, maybe. < 1299757812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah i think it's this thing known as umm < 1299757814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the term < 1299757814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bug < 1299757819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. this is hard. < 1299757824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: summon impomatic for me < 1299757838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll know what to do. wait. fuck. what. how does this even. < 1299757847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all out of candles for the pentagram. < 1299757932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god. this is the worst. < 1299757964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. what if i just do it the ghetto way. < 1299757968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :direct subroutine threaded code. < 1299758100 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299758147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi ais523_ < 1299758155 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1299758167 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, since when did qwebirc use a fixed-width font? < 1299758172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since forever < 1299758186 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be proportional sans-serif for me < 1299758188 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this computer < 1299758192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1299758205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, /me is working on his 510 byte forth < 1299758212 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's something wrong with the rendering of it, I think the characters are too far apart < 1299758218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad hinting < 1299758235 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd < 1299758241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qrstuvwxyz < 1299758260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i haven't slept < 1299758263 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, the characters don't line up within their bounding box < 1299758269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has caused me to start writing (not on IRC) in ais523_-speak < 1299758271 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should try it, it's quite relaxing < 1299758282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm, uhh, realigning my schedule mumble. < 1299758312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.com/2011/02/formal-comments-and-stylistic-lag.html?showComment=1299755098290#c5941692649704322889 <-- an impressive accidental emulation of ais523_'s style to make the exact opposite point that he'd make < 1299758369 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299758369 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose blog is that? < 1299758441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: um, AFAIK the author's name isn't known; but it's one of the best programming language blogs in existence < 1299758450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: and I am sure I have reacted incredulously to you not noticing me linking to it before < 1299758458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's just pretend we went through all that again < 1299758473 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if so I don't remember < 1299758473 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181131066.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299758483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's linked from the Loper OS site, but I don't think that's how I found it.) < 1299758484 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that comment doesn't match my style, it has two semicolons on the same indentation level < 1299758505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what, can you not have a tri-pronged nesting, where all three parts are equal? < 1299758510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "1 + 2 + 3" in infix < 1299758522 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you can < 1299758524 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not with semicolons < 1299758531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE < 1299758577 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think what's up with the font is that this computer's had a different set of fonts installed, for whatever reason < 1299758587 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's showing websites like they want to be shown, rather than forcing the font to something sane < 1299758612 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this reminds me of my Epiphany custom stylesheet that forces a background and foreground !important onto everything, with a differently colored foreground for links) < 1299758681 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, proggit are talking about the price of Xcode changing from 0 to $4.99, and how bizarre it is for the price to be positive but that low < 1299758683 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinions? < 1299758709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: "meh" < 1299758717 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1299758722 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to figure out their reasoning < 1299758728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Mac App Store apps are low-priced. < 1299758729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the rule. < 1299758732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think iPhone app store. < 1299758741 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes < 1299758754 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but IDEs don't really seem to fit into the model of impulse purchases < 1299758761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: And since it evidently isn't a _great_ issue for them (they did give it away for free, after all)... < 1299758761 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not the main IDE for a system < 1299758764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reason to break the mould. < 1299758769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just rabid dogfooding. < 1299758777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It is a shame, though; Apple have been consistently pushing back programmability. Sure, the same is true of Windows, but on Windows, MinGW etc. are widely-supported and useful. < 1299758794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On OS X... well, I think you could probably use a prebuilt binary plus MacPorts to get yourself a gcc toolchain. < 1299758804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it wouldn't work with the Apple extensions and APIs (or the latter at least not very well). < 1299758810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The iPad was bad enough. < 1299758826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just moving further away from the Commodore 64, like I said earlier. < 1299758843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vague "meh" here too; as far as I understand it, iPhone development has been non-free all the time, and it certainly doesn't seem to hurt them commercially. < 1299758864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other notable news today, I have been propositioned by a prominent GNU maintainer over IRC. < 1299758868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now back to Forth. < 1299758878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, what was the bug, I've forgotten... < 1299758882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I fix it? < 1299758883 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lead developer of llvm commented saying it was for accounting reasons, on the basis that if you give something away free and then provide updates it plays hell with accounting < 1299758898 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas it's much easier with an explicit price tag < 1299758898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I think that was debunked. < 1299758905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: one, that act has been around much longer < 1299758907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than this < 1299758915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: two, they have been giving it away for free < 1299758923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the accounting only applies to _free_ updates to _paid_ products < 1299759000 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think the argument was that there's a specific accounting rule for free updates to paid products < 1299759005 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not one for free updates to free products < 1299759021 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you use the version with the rule in, at least you know what you're supposed to put on the balance sheet < 1299759081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: nothing, that's why it's free! < 1299759107 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, balance sheets work both ways, money in and money out < 1299759126 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not directly getting money in, but you still need to allow for the money it costs you to produce the stuff you're giving away < 1299759147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck accounting. clearly invented by people who had eight hours sleep the previous night. < 1299759201 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, perhaps < 1299759279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i... think i can write an interpreter word now < 1299759296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pcworld article makes it sound like the free Xcode download was only for people registered in the iPhone or Mac developer programs, which is non-free. I distinctly remember it being really-free (well, you had to make a free account on the dev site) back around Xcode 2, I don't suppose that's changed? (There was something I couldn't find for free recently, can't recall what it was.) < 1299759298 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1299759299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1299759301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need one < 1299759307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It is really-free. < 1299759313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded it, free, when I bought this. < 1299759323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It also comes on the installation DVDs. < 1299759328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that will continue, though it would be queer. < 1299759338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had no installation DVD, as this is a MacBook Air, which is TOO COOL FOR OPTICAL MEDIA.) < 1299759370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I remember it came with the DVD too. < 1299759391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you are not a member of either the Mac or iOS Developer Program, you may purchase Xcode 4 from the Mac App Store for $4.99. If you are registered as an Apple Developer, you can download Xcode 3 for free at http://developer.apple.com/xcode." < 1299759394 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131000.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299759429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm'kay, so up to 3 it's still free-free (well, with registration); but the 4 is only free download if you're in the Prograsms. < 1299759448 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299759466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ams saga is progressing at a super-slow pace. < 1299759482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:53:35 SunTzu: you are assuming i'm a guy < 1299759482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:05:25 what is your gender? < 1299759485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exciting last few chapters. < 1299759543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: does it matter? < 1299759543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and what if i do not have a gender? < 1299759549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This be some deep philosophical shiat, yo. < 1299759565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BREAKING NEWS < 1299759569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FACEBOOK REVEALS THAT AMS IS IN FACT A FROG < 1299759571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Alfred-M-Szmidt/1318123348 < 1299759591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alfred J. Kwak. < 1299759609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo! < 1299759610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am conducting a survey of real and supposed genders online. this is a follow-up on a survey done during the mid-90s/ < 1299759610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone here using fasm? < 1299759615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to get so much more boring if ams doesn't chime in soon. < 1299759619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : no < 1299759622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not helping, ams. < 1299759629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i use gas < 1299759629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you dont speak for anyone but yourself. < 1299759630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok < 1299759633 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299759642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never have relations with anyone who used gas. < 1299759752 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299759755 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299759755 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299759768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1299759770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:19:49 nixness: don't use amazon, use your local library < 1299759771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from logreading < 1299759777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he does the "boycott amazon" thing too < 1299759780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is a literal clone of rms < 1299759906 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299760997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299760998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1299761011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, x86 expert: if I want like < 1299761017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an end_of_dict pointer < 1299761018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :containing a single word < 1299761022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointing to the end of the dictionary < 1299761026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to use it like [[foo]] right? < 1299761027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not [foo] < 1299761028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1299761028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299761030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because foo is the pointer < 1299761031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1299761033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tired < 1299761070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that's a x86 thing, double-indirection. < 1299761161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and how many hours of sleep did YOU have last night> < 1299761163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*night? < 1299761169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just ugly cuz it eats a register :( < 1299761180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six, maybe? < 1299761231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah < 1299761232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow me to tell you < 1299761233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my < 1299761235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corresponding figure < 1299761241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z E R O ( 0 DEC, 0 HEX, 0 OCT ) < 1299761254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've been briefed. < 1299761334 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299761352 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning elliott < 1299761367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hello < 1299761378 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you've slept as much as I have in the last 24 < 1299761384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But have you been DEBRIEFED? -- and that's how the opening to the Worst Porn Ever goes. < 1299761386 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i finished that damned IPC project < 1299761877 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299761972 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181135016.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299762043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:21:04 okoing? < 1299762044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:21:07 ais523: okokokokokokokokoko < 1299762044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:21:10 why would anyone do that? < 1299762047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indirect quoting!) < 1299762123 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:42 < elliott> 13:21:04 okoing? < 1299762127 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:42 < elliott> 13:21:07 ais523: okokokokokokokokoko < 1299762132 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:42 < elliott> 13:21:10 why would anyone do that? < 1299762147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 08:42 < elliott> 13:21:04 okoing? < 1299762147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 08:42 < elliott> 13:21:07 ais523: okokokokokokokokoko < 1299762147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 08:42 < elliott> 13:21:10 why would anyone do that? < 1299762212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:49:48 * ais523 manoeuvers through a door standing on one leg and balancing a laptop on the other < 1299762214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While typing that. < 1299762216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive. < 1299762242 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299762451 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacking all day and night < 1299762455 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't good for sanity < 1299762457 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sleeps
< 1299762471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: lame < 1299762477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u r a fucking < 1299762933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this log is quite a fun, first fax is all "I'M NOT SURE I BELIEVE THE UNIVERSALLY-ACCEPTED PROOF OF THE HALTING PROBLEM", then pikhq is all "WELL-FOUNDED RECURSION? YOU'RE MAKING THAT UP. HOW CAN YOU EVEN ENFORCE THAT. AND WHAT KIND OF TYPE SYSTEM DOESN'T ALLOW SKI" < 1299762948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:30:10 madbrain: My point is that that's bloody hard without making something that's completely and utterly useless. < 1299762949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:30:20 true! < 1299762949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:30:23 oh you are one of these pragmatists < 1299763482 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299763844 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299765113 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181128230.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299765303 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299765741 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299765748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299765766 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299765775 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299765891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Donate to the Gregoran Somalian Relief Fund! < 1299765944 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AKA the Help Gregor Get the libc.so Domain Name Fund) < 1299766072 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299766291 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Donate to the Augur's 25th Birthday Fund! < 1299766436 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: How about you donate $50 to the Help Gregor Get the libc.so Domain Name Fund, and I'll donate $25 to the Augur's 25th Birthday Fund :P < 1299766454 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1299766483 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nahhh < 1299766501 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299766675 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299766678 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299766733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Read as 20/25 < 1299766738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was about to congratulate you on your economic skill < 1299766839 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299766850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ultimateedition.info/Ultimate_Edition_2.8/107themes.png < 1299766864 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They... combined an OSX look and a Aero look? < 1299766931 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1299766941 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty good actually < 1299766942 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299766947 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little out of place < 1299766949 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good < 1299766951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was... upset by it at first, but.. yeah < 1299766957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does look kind of nic < 1299766974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice even. I don't think you have to get a domain name or anything to use it < 1299767288 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299767556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1299767687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1299767749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is bringing back optbot
< 1299767764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first I have to figure out a suitably inappropriate language to write it in < 1299767768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking maybe Ursala < 1299767770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or J < 1299767838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN < 1299767853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now _that_ sounds painful < 1299767871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADVENT was written in Fortran, it was one of the worst possible languages for it < 1299767877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the time, the only real alternative would have been COBOL < 1299767881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or LISP < 1299767883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just as inappropriate < 1299767885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have been perfect < 1299767894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, definitely, given the langs available at the time < 1299767909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if LISP would have been widespread in terms of people knowing and using it < 1299767912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b lisp!*@ai.mit.edu < 1299767912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text adventure game == symbolic manipulation (parsing) + list manipulation (inventory, objects, map) < 1299767918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always been a sort of language for hipster academics < 1299767925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's ever been mainstream < 1299767940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oi :P < 1299767949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Crowther met and married Pat Crowther while at MIT." < 1299767961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so he was probably at MIT in the 60s < 1299767972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good chance he knew of LISP < 1299767974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google Chrome can't display the webpage because your computer isn't connected to the Internet. < 1299767975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299767978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1299767978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed < 1299767986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Don Woods was at Stanford, I'd be very surprised if he didn't when he extended the game, but of course by then it was too lat < 1299767990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*late < 1299768001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you sure you're connected to the Internet? you could try contacting someone over IRC to check < 1299768032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it's known he knew SNOBOL (due to writing INTERCAL-72 in it), and it would have been a pretty appropriate language too < 1299768035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC? < 1299768041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see his line, clearly his internet tubes are broken. < 1299768058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, SNOBOL's possibly the only language _more_ suitable < 1299768083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: elliott's topic about facepalming just got thrown into sharp relief for me < 1299768094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not allowed to joke? < 1299768121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if it's even more obtuse than Vorpal's jokes < 1299768126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you do realise that pretending to be stupid for the purpose of humour all the time will eventually cause you to be indistinguishable and therefore identical to a stupid person? < 1299768158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm pretending to be stupid for the purpose of humour, I generally make my statements pretty obviously self-contradictory to make sure < 1299768249 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to go to school, bye < 1299768270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOTRAN and networking sounds a bit of an odd fit. I guess with the C interop stuff you could just use the BSD sockets API, but still. < 1299768286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: elliott did ask for an inappropriate language < 1299768293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was trying to pick one that was genuinely useful, just not for that purpose < 1299768295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Forth < 1299768299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but argh < 1299768311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a big (two hundred megabyte) list of bytestrings that i can select randomly from < 1299768316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are read from files that i lightly string-process < 1299768322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would not be fun in Forth < 1299768332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor in most of the other langs suggested < 1299768339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll use C++, the most esoteric of languages! < 1299768349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I imagine it'd be relatively simple in Ursala, actually < 1299768353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, compared to the rest of Ursala < 1299768372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can ursala even do networking? < 1299768439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it likely has a library, or at least FFI, for it < 1299768447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case you could just loop the program through netcat < 1299768570 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299768608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299768637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if J had networking it'd be a good choice :) < 1299768637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299768638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. < 1299768643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably complicated. < 1299768768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does overlambda fare? < 1299768771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that problem < 1299768771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1299768773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runderlambda < 1299768775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*underlambda < 1299769050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gotcha, terribly < 1299769063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy at work, thus everything is stalled temporarily < 1299769093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, at the problem of optbot < 1299769136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299769391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, currently badly because I still haven't decided how to do I/O < 1299769408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such an ugly blemish on the pure maths of just calculating things < 1299769454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299769637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just typoed to a one-character web address (r.com) and found it a 404 < 1299769645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd have a one-character .com, and not put a web page there? < 1299769719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, someone on Reddit claims that my argument that that rule 110 thing isn't a TCness proof is flawed because real computers don't have infinite memory either < 1299769722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA, according to whois. < 1299769722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is more upvoted than me < 1299769785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggest we all have a go at him. < 1299769789 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299769819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I missed my bus < 1299769845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, quick, http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g0d5g/breaking_news_html5css3_is_turing_complete/c1k03fg?context=3 < 1299769859 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upvote ais, downvote the idiot. < 1299769868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais will be happy and give us cakes. < 1299769883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Programming languages can be in the abstract, if they don't insist on infinite memory" < 1299769888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, was gonna go all "jeez PH you are always so harsh", but then the guy really was stupid < 1299769901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm just going to have to upvote every comment ais523 makes on principle, though < 1299769910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's his only one. < 1299769913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has two. < 1299769915 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least from that account. < 1299769917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1299769923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should have added "AND I WON THE WOLFRAM PRIZE SO YOU SHOULD ALL LISTEN TO MY EXPERTISE"; instant karma < 1299769974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads Wolfram blab about what software he uses.
< 1299769983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess: Mathematica, Mathematica, Mathematica, all running on a kernel made out of Mathematica. < 1299770044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, mathematica kernel? < 1299770087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299770128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What would be your dream setup? < 1299770128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica + Wolfram|Alpha everywhere!" < 1299770222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. I opened SyllableOS page and ReactOS page, looked at the Syllable page, and was ... interested in ReactOS's new BeOS-based design < 1299770240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeOS+Windows < 1299770244 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird thought < 1299770268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleep maybe < 1299770624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, remember that cancer guy? < 1299770628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Reddit? < 1299770631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1299770641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucidending? < 1299770643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1299770649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adrian Chen says it was him. < 1299770649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are talking about. < 1299770668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are talking about. < 1299770673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1299770677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucidending. < 1299770681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299770681 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only remember due to a r/circlejerk post that was rather... mean < 1299770687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, uh, question: Seriously? < 1299770708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If yes: Stay classy, Gawker. < 1299770710 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299770740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Source plz. < 1299770742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's definitely on his Twitter. < 1299770750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/Adrianchen/status/45054116405325824 < 1299770754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have a feeling lucidending is about to have a Second Coming on @reddit... Maybe this is the start of our first e-religion?" < 1299770758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's no admission. < 1299770764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That sounds like a ``joke''. < 1299770771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be unfamiliar with the ``term''. < 1299770793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, read the rest of the tweets < 1299770800 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do have problems with detecting jokes which give no indication of being such, yes. < 1299770809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see indication. < 1299770823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is? < 1299770826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have a confession to make: I am secretly President of the World. < 1299770841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unqualified, blunt extravagant claim that makes no sense == joke. < 1299770856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't think anyone was hurt by lucidreaming. It just made Reddit's hardheaded skepticism seem absurd and selective." < 1299770861 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, it made perfect sense. < 1299770872 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299770874 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...lucidreaming? < 1299770890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, it doesn't. < 1299770895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1299770896 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen some suggestion that it was a hoax < 1299770896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, explain. < 1299770898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299770917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello oerjan, fill the topic with things that aren't so tediously stupid as to agitate my incredibly sleep-deprived self. < 1299770933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, please explain why it was clearly a joke? < 1299770944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's certainly acting entirely seriously about it. < 1299770983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2011/03/post_45.html < 1299770990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show me where he is acting entirely seriously about it. < 1299771046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, FFS, *saying that he was behind an IAmA which had no verification is not absurd*. < 1299771086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does seriously consider it to be a major hoax, at least. < 1299771087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: please do not irritate me with your failure to detect jokingness in offhand Twitter posts when I've had this little sleep. < 1299771126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then please get some sleep rather than just saying I'm wrong and being confrontational. < 1299771165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :ZYGOHISTOMORPHIC PREPROMORPHISMS | LATIMERIA CHALUMNAE | CLASSIFICATION OF FINITE SIMPLE GROUPS | BULLET CLUSTER | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299771199 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299771216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "@owengood haha yeah, I did some research on that today and came to the same conclusion. Reddit is so full of shit." < 1299771245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Adrianchen considers it to be a hoax proving Reddit's gullibility in some circumstances, but may have been joking about being the one who started it. < 1299771256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299771281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → things
< 1299771287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT I'm right, again. < 1299771398 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Scumbag Ola Bini to make < 1299771523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did poor Ola do to be called a scumbag < 1299771546 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seph is supposed to have immutable objects, but mutable lexical variables < 1299771549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299771566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closures will close over those mutable lexical variables and allow them to be mutated... < 1299771603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: #(n, #(i, n += i)), < 1299771616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I don't know what that last , is < 1299771622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bar = foo(1) < 1299771630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar(5) < 1299771632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar(5) < 1299771636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those will mutate n < 1299771692 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-82.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299771734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although hmm, just because it's abusable doesn't make it evil. Maybe. < 1299771755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299771761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically Ola Bini is an evil hybrid of me, Vorpal and Gregor. < 1299771778 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1299771801 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299771812 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.06: 32k to Cambodia, 8x64k+4x32k+16k to China, 8k+3x4k+2k+1k to Japan, 4k to Taiwan, 1k to India, /48 to Indonesia, /32 to Australia. < 1299771817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, I don't mind the mutable lexical variables, just closures giving write access to those as opposed to read-only access < 1299771831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Unban lisp P: < 1299771834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1299771835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oaihguidafhg < 1299771836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards < 1299771837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they suck ass < 1299771852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the source of his hat is obvious! < 1299771853 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, school: Take two < 1299771854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1299771859 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b lisp!*@ai.mit.edu < 1299771866 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299771878 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory is a dialect of Lisp. < 1299771878 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey's still banned though. < 1299771898 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :School: Take two: For real < 1299771904 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181138165.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299771999 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299772155 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299772240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299772296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299772636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's menial busywork, it's not like projects where I can architecture myself way out of space and then realise it'll be an unholy bitch to do < 1299772650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY WON'T RECOGNISE JAPANESE ONCE YOU'RE FINISHED WITH IT < 1299772923 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299772930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299772943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299773187 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299773340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1299773361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like the idea that i can butcher japanese to the point when i've learned a complete language that nobody else in the world has < 1299773386 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going to fork japanese? < 1299773439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: PRECISELY < 1299773461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare for japanese++ < 1299773505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hi < 1299773677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1299773686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: ais523 is pikhq_ < 1299773690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in a meeting, and saw I'd been nickpinged but didn't respond to it because someone else was looking at my scren < 1299773704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*screen < 1299773736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dream, where we all live in a world where IRCing at arbitrary points is socially acceptable! < 1299773741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't see who'd done it as I didn't have IRC focused) < 1299773906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, IE6 is "only" 3,482 days old < 1299774120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, just noticed on reddit: hg fetch == git pull; git fetch == hg pull < 1299774130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as equivalent as you can be for two fundamentally different DVCSes < 1299774150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fundamentally different? < 1299774153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :git and hg are almost identical :) < 1299774163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as identical as they come < 1299774311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, all languages suck at being amusingly imperfect for a certain task < 1299774794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: well, being amusingly imperfect for a certain task is _hard_ < 1299774868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, The Old New Thing posted the topmost window story again, this time ending with a list of things that programs might to do be really topmost < 1299774876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the comments have come up with more and more ridiculous ideas < 1299775523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299775527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ITT I'm right, again. < 1299775534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like always! < 1299775548 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, get some sleep if it means you're going to be like this. < 1299775579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, in fact, have things to do other than sit on IRC, strange as it may seem. < 1299775650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, i am always right < 1299775674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just got what looks like probably a 419 scam, that's so confused I can't even follow what it's actually trying to do < 1299775690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I like the way they typoed "scan copy" as "scam copy" later < 1299775704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm fairly sure you've been wrong but I am not so petty as to keep a list for easy reference. < 1299775739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're offering to send me a Mastercard with $10.000,000.00, MILLION DOLLARS < 1299775757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as I pay a $650 shipping charge via Western Union < 1299775761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a... good amount of millions! < 1299775763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it parses < 1299775777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, that's a massively large shipping charge for one credit card, they're clearly trying to rip me off < 1299775792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the card apparently ends with ten zeros < 1299775800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :card number, that is < 1299775803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is suspicious in its own right < 1299775846 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181141033.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299775965 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299776162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299776164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has been wrong many times < 1299776182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah, a whole 0 < 1299776194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have been wrong AT LEAST 0 times. < 1299776201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also more < 1299776324 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been wrong -3 times. < 1299776333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It overflowed.) < 1299776452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you say something stupid a few times to cover your tracks < 1299776462 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299776491 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299776532 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell can be used in practical contexts! < 1299776594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1299776603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2! < 1299776632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm... mathematics has a utilitarian justification! < 1299776663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama is a good choice of leader! < 1299776668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's not borderline enough. < 1299776676 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unambiguously stupid. < 1299776993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you directly see "if G is an undirected graph, G^c is the graph where (u, v) is an edge iff it's not an edge in G. show that for all undirected G, either G or G^c is connected" < 1299777009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite graphs < 1299777164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that's not a statement. < 1299777182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you directly see the solution < 1299777206 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1299777213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty < 1299777226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait, I was missing something, but I think I can extend what I had. < 1299777251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol ur homework on irc < 1299777277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, OI ARE YOU TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY KINDNESS < 1299777280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this was today's homework < 1299777287 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR SHAME < 1299777308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean we presented the solutions today < 1299777335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one takes about 5 seconds if you've played with graphs a lot, i'm just wondering if it's noobie friendly < 1299777347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm sure it took me at least 20 seconds < 1299777369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not exactly a noobie to graph theory, but I've not exactly covered it in depth. < 1299777445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you done a lot of problems, or have you read some stuff on wp? < 1299777453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something in-between < 1299777461 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done some problems. < 1299777465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay good < 1299777509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, or is it < 1299777514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i was hoping anyone could do this < 1299777528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this guy who's wondering if he should take math or cs < 1299777545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm trying to find something fun for him to prove so he'll learn to luv the mathies :( < 1299777698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pythagoras :P < 1299777717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry is kinda stupid < 1299777944 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299778162 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299778353 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1299778431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry is the worst < 1299778438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry should be outlawed < 1299778456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, we know you've been scarred by GCSE "geometry". < 1299778460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299778462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all geometry is terrible < 1299778467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1299778487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well because topology is what they call geometry that isn't shit and here you insert the troll face unicode codepoint < 1299778716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh also I actually came up with a decent name for my computer. < 1299778747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHAT IS IT < 1299778750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fagmachine? < 1299778752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terriblepieceofshit? < 1299778755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worthlesscraptop? < 1299778755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"henry". < 1299778760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the worst < 1299778787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topology <3 < 1299778800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Considering adrienchen referred to lucidending as "lucidreaming" in his second Tweet, the probability of it actually being him has crawled down to -24. < 1299778802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Out of 1.) < 1299778815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my friend at oxford is doing topology and he's such a bitch about it, but that's because he's stupid, unlike you < 1299778819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but if I get another one I can call it "dyson" and I will have a SYSTEMATIC NAMING SCHEME < 1299778825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he's also the guy who's stupid about japanese, basically a total life failure) < 1299778853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dyson has to be a Mac: a bunch of marketing claiming innovation for shit that's been done for decades. < 1299778877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dammit. < 1299778892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's this person stupid about Japanese? < 1299778908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He isn't, I just like shitting all over his reputation on IRC and then pasting the aftermath to him. < 1299778921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling it quite upsets him, but, haha, he can't do anything about it. Except all the things he can do about it. < 1299778934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like bludgeoning you? < 1299778937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bitch about it? < 1299778949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just like not talking to me < 1299778955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he still hasn't ventured into this chan because he's like a total noob < 1299778963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to flame him, i could arrange for him to come in now < 1299778980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes?? < 1299778982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1299778992 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes OK. < 1299778997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought people at oxford only research the hip topics < 1299779040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, like fractals and stuff? < 1299779109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know, that algebraic topology stuff? < 1299779128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he apparently "reefuses", i think he might be illiterate < 1299779136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refuses to what? < 1299779139 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose in each G and G^c there are exactly two classes of points which create connected subgraphs, A1, A2, B1, B2. By intersecting the partitions (finding common sub-partitions of the set of points of G) we will get {Cij = Ai n Bj}, a partition of the set of points of G. For a fixed i, Cij are all pairwise connected in G, and for a fixed j, in G^c. For two certain pairs (k, l) != (m, n) there is a set Ckl. In Ckl no points from Bl are G^ < 1299779139 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-connected to points in Bn, this means then that all points from Ckl c Ak are G-connected to points from Cin for all i, specifically to points of Cmn. This means that Cmn c Am is empty. < 1299779144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do you mean by "being a bitch" < 1299779166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these questions cannot be explained by science. < 1299779180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly he just mentions he's doing topology work to me and i'm like DUDE stop bothering me with all this TRIVIAL BULLSHIT, that's my job < 1299779182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1299779204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: did you get a contradiction? < 1299779216 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: DID i get a contradiction? < 1299779217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait, since when were you an op? < 1299779229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: since the holy hand of oerjan decreed it so. < 1299779234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is our comforting guide. < 1299779245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And his first action wasn't to kickban cheater?? < 1299779246 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what does it tell you that all Cmn are empty? < 1299779283 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and \Sum Cmn = points(G) < 1299779294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh all are okay < 1299779329 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice how i went from having a finite amount of sets in the beginning to having an arbitrary later on without changing my assumptions < 1299779348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that clarifies things < 1299779362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it looked wrong anyway < 1299779368 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just cause normally people see an example with an arbitrary amount of elements and they forget to check what happens if you have 1 element or 2 elements < 1299779381 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i decided to point out that possibility specifically < 1299779414 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's still correct because it's just a proof for the basic situation where you have two disconnected subgraphs each < 1299779436 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but change the first sentence to A1, ..., AN, B1, ..., BM and you then have the general situation < 1299779554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is Cmn empty as a conclusion? < 1299779580 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise Cmn and Ckl are G-connected and G^c-connected < 1299779608 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can only take place if those sets are empty < 1299779640 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, it's either connected in G XOR G^c < 1299779644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299779644 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111 < 1299779648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299779654 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111 < 1299779696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol does not know the secrets of the unvierses < 1299779710 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you do < 1299779802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe i'll start asking questions, since i can't see what you mean < 1299779804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For a fixed i, Cij are all pairwise connected in G" < 1299779849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, for every j != j', two vertices v, v' in Cij and Cij' respectively, there's a... path? between v and v' < 1299780008 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299780040 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299780370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow i'll give a solution just for fun: let G be disconnected. then consider any two connected components G_1 and G_2 of G. then for all v \in G_1 and w \in G_2, there is an edge (v, w) in G^c. this means: if you take u and v in G, if they are in different components, there's an edge between them. if they are in the same component H, then take w \notin H, and you'll have the path u, w, v < 1299780410 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299780411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in G^c < 1299780421 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i meant < 1299780427 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let me read your solution < 1299780446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*G_1 != G_2 there < 1299780474 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type it again if there were any errors < 1299780490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose w because G is disconnected, and the edge (v, w) must be in G^c because otherwise v and w are in the same component. < 1299780500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just two obvious remarks < 1299780503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure < 1299780522 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that it for your proof? < 1299780527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let G be disconnected. then consider any two connected components G_1 != G_2 of G. then for all v \in G_1 and w \in G_2, there is an edge (v, w) in G^c. this means: if you take u and v in G, if they are in different components, there's an edge between them. if they are in the same component H, then take w \notin H, and you'll have the path u, w, v < 1299780542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: yes, that's it, that shows G^c is connected < 1299780549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give an explicit path between any u and v < 1299780560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of length 1 or 2 < 1299780564 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w8 < 1299780642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assume that both G and G^c are disconnected, and find a contradiction, but i don't really know how to interpret some of your claims, probably because i'm slow, but anyway. < 1299780677 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299780682 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only proved a half. < 1299780701 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't proven that G connected => G^c disconnected < 1299780716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, but that's not true anyway < 1299780719 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you have only proven half < 1299780722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to prove one of them is < 1299780725 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is! < 1299780728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about being unclear < 1299780734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's obviously not true < 1299780741 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe G connected and G^c connected < 1299780745 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows! < 1299780749 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unproven! < 1299780759 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299780774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a valid point i guess. whatever it means < 1299780785 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait. < 1299780799 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were trying to prove G connected <=> G^c disconnected < 1299780817 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're only trying to prove G connected or G^c connected. < 1299780820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299780826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about being unclear < 1299780836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so obvious the xor is not true that it didn't occur to me < 1299780837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299780841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, maybe it's not that obvious < 1299780856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's true: consider a path of length 3, u-v-w-z < 1299780914 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take a square with an antenna for G, and G^c is connected too < 1299780935 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :square with an antenna is a five point graph which contains a square, and additionally has a point which is connected to one of the square's vertices. < 1299780936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that, but mine is the smallest example < 1299780942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i chose that one < 1299780963 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ya < 1299780967 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i think about it < 1299780977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not why i chose it, but at least it's a good rationalization) < 1299780983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i chose it at random) < 1299781036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if your proof works for the xor thing, maybe you have some detail wrong in there and i don't have to continue trying to guess what you mean < 1299781038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299781049 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it doesn't prove XOR < 1299781070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the or? < 1299781080 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299781117 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it proves you can't have G and G^c disconnected at the same time. < 1299781130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tru < 1299781134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part i got < 1299781155 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read about the khan academy oklopol < 1299781169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299781193 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's making it into the news < 1299781212 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some sort of funny school where they do homework at school and lectures individually at home < 1299781224 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i read someone talking about it i think < 1299781231 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!!!!!! academy < 1299781256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299781258 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54 < 1299781259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't watch that show < 1299781301 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't watch youtube? < 1299781307 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, you're missing out < 1299781321 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had ali g on yesterday < 1299781323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't actually have ChanServ access, so I'm only an op as long as my connection remains stable :P < 1299781334 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and today it's a double feature of beyonce and eminem < 1299781775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :optbot < 1299781840 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299782207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Gregor, guess what simple operation Python makes low-level and hard < 1299782272 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left-shift? < 1299782317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading a line from a socket. Although it seems there's some newish API to do that automatically. < 1299782751 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299782889 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@southeast-invest.oneringnetworks.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299782910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, do you directly see "if G is an undirected graph, G^c is the graph where (u, v) is an edge iff it's not an edge in G. show that for all undirected G, either G or G^c is connected" < 1299782913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey! < 1299782923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ran out of things to do! < 1299782952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Productivity is a myth, or something. < 1299783049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sos. at pycon. surrounded by pythonistas. it's creepy. send reinforcements kthx. sos < 1299783081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mistake 1: Go to PyCon. < 1299783089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mistake 2: Go to PyCon, do not prepare for pythonistas. < 1299783105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, have you mentioned my Sierpiński numbers? < 1299783119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this new SOS-over-IRC, though. < 1299783119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ought to clear them out quickly. < 1299783126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299783199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#estoteric < 1299783199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::asimov.freenode.net MODE #estoteric +ns < 1299783199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::asimov.freenode.net 353 optbot @ #estoteric :@optbot < 1299783199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::asimov.freenode.net 366 optbot #estoteric :End of /NAMES list. < 1299783202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at my coding skill. look at it. < 1299783210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling skill, rather. < 1299783227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo has left in fear of the sheer difficulty of the trivial problem. < 1299783232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299783237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he solved it! < 1299783335 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299783336 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | but you can *create* data structures < 1299783341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299783342 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | But some people do expect the EV criteria to slide (race to the bottom in same manner as has happened to DV certs). <-- DV? < 1299783346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: how are the haps < 1299783353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1299783362 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299783513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, any word on the Pythonistas? < 1299783716 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299783716 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1299783761 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299783784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i actually filtered out highlights and things... < 1299783787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that sometime. < 1299783802 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299783802 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Perhaps somebody would be converted. < 1299783845 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299783999 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299783999 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | hmm, /me thinks < 1299784005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot < 1299784009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1299784015 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299784042 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-168.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299784050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hi < 1299784053 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299784138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You had me at Py_INCREF(Py_None);..." < 1299784149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that... < 1299784152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting a reference to None? < 1299784162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this imply that None could theoretically be garbage-collected? < 1299784171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The philosophical implications are astounding. < 1299784207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think cpressey is pioneering the Emergency Write-Only IRC Link. < 1299784238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299784254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we send reinforcements? < 1299784262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This is because he wrote the emergency client in Python, which has no convenient socket readline function, as I have recently discussed. < 1299784278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we send in five USB sticks containing different versions of GHC. < 1299784284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by god, let's hope of them gets to him. < 1299784293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a prerelease CD of @ of course. < 1299784293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, APT Guy was visiting my neighbour earlier < 1299784322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a Pythonista; I could send him in to infiltrate the ranks and carry supplies. < 1299784335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think he would carry GHC? < 1299784346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could pretend it was something else. < 1299784347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'd take one look at it and say, "this has punctuation and things. That's not Pythonic. < 1299784349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pythonic." < 1299784353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They can SMELL it. < 1299784380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pretend it was something else by encrypting it? < 1299784401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Their sense of smell can break RSA encryption. < 1299784447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm. Write one program to transform arbitrary files into vaguely-valid Python programs. < 1299784460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use it on GHC. < 1299784461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU CANNOT DEFEAT THE PYTHONISTA'S NOSE FOR PYTHONICITY. < 1299784464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS SUPERTURING. < 1299784506 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Py_None is a Python object like any other. When you assign a variable to it, you have to increment its usage count. < 1299784531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Please don't tell me Py_None is allocated on the heap. < 1299784538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that small integers are is bad enough (with a CACHE for the first 256). < 1299784541 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea & I'm not going to check. < 1299784553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be awesome if, like, True and False were garbage-collectable. < 1299784558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, quick! Sierpiński them off! < 1299784603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Python's garbage collector is Turing-complete. < 1299785302 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, i forgot about those. yeah. i should totally give a lightning talk on "Implementing numerical types between Real and Complex" < 1299785329 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"between"? < 1299785331 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1299785348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1299785430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, Apple. < 1299785431 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: I dunno but the Python docs suggest they went to great lengths to allow it. < 1299785445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to *pay* for XCode 4. < 1299785454 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1299785457 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, that's what you mean < 1299785478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the fact that i knew that you had to pay for XCode 4 before Phantom_Hoover mentioned it. < 1299785486 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no business with such information. < 1299785495 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's xcode? < 1299785509 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm successful at forgetting things i shouldn't know. < 1299785509 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm implementing LNUSP in Java during the breaks to keep myself sane < 1299785537 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what about implementing a reactive asynchronous programming framework in haskell? < 1299785540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: implementing things in java. < 1299785544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i stay sane too! < 1299785558 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol < 1299785562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, implement Sierpiński numbers in Java! < 1299785576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implement Java in Sierpiński numbers. < 1299785584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds far more practical, realistic. < 1299785589 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implement sierpiński in java numbers. < 1299785596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I have no idea if either addition or multiplication are closed.) < 1299785607 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the only person who has ń on their keyboard without sticky keys. < 1299785879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: trivially not closed under addition < 1299785893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see they have to be odd. < 1299785896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299785903 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, huh? < 1299785932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_number talking about this? < 1299785973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299785982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my set of numbers between R and C. < 1299785998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right i suppose that might not contain all of R :) < 1299786043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the set of points in the Sierpiński gasket embedded into C. < 1299786060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely not closed under addition, actually. < 1299786106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication... maybe; I don't know. < 1299786107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most certainly not if it contains two straight lines < 1299786112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition that is < 1299786124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know how you do the embedding < 1299786532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ban someone < 1299786675 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299786675 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299786675 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299786833 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299786884 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1299787301 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklolol: how come you're studying graphs right now? < 1299787319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i'm just taking a few courses at random < 1299787330 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now you're doing geometry? < 1299787335 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w4t < 1299787343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm not doing any geometry < 1299787362 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what course has this come up in? < 1299787374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err this graph problem? < 1299787376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph theory course < 1299787401 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph theory is geometry < 1299787411 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299787426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm taking graph theory, cellular automata, group theory (representation stuff) and complexity theory atm < 1299787445 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's CT? < 1299787453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph theory is geometry? i suppose they both have lines and points. < 1299787464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph theory = topology = geometry = peano arithmetic < 1299787466 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph theory is very much geometry. < 1299787469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := theory of wood < 1299787479 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wood? < 1299787483 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you represent an angle in... never mind < 1299787486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a really simple course on ct, we're just doing the basic stuff like showing things np-complete < 1299787493 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i want to know < 1299787514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: asking questions. that's the first mistake. < 1299787523 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you don't :p < 1299787524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really see what the connections between graph theory and geometry are, but maybe there are some < 1299787549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the connections are elaborately laid out in the theory of "cheater is a stupids" < 1299787586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a lot of benefit of the doubt to spare. < 1299787590 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well there are several connections such as simplex geometry, topology, etc < 1299787597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299787598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, read logs < 1299787600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm all out of benefit of the doubt, can i have some oklopol? < 1299787616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I read logs < 1299787619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: for what purpose < 1299787621 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iddiott, i would appreciate it if you actually learnt some of what you're yapping about, as opposed to copypasting reddit. < 1299787621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplices give a sort of connection. i don't know anything about them. < 1299787622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you paste that at me? < 1299787633 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to see what I missed, in terms of things directed at me or about me < 1299787651 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they're cool < 1299787666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do with them except implement groups? < 1299787668 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: mainly because they bring a lot of geometry stuff down to finite numbers < 1299787676 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't know graph theory < 1299787689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement fun stuff as fundamental groups of simplicial complexes right? < 1299787698 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299787704 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the euler characteristic is one powerful tool that's easy to use with a simplicial complex < 1299787708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1299787737 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a number that is the same for the same kinds of shapes < 1299787757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha oklopol doesn't know what euler characteristic is < 1299787764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will now be murdered by elliott
< 1299787774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly don't know the term no < 1299787782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about how you oil things < 1299787800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's an invariant of some sort? < 1299787802 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also quite often if you get a theorem that works on a simplicial complex you can generalize it to anything < 1299787806 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299787842 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you get one that doesn't work, you can generalize that to anything, too. < 1299787845 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee! head rush < 1299787863 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I shouldn't complain about things written iin 1991 being boringly old < 1299787867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299787896 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now for any orientable surface you get a graph which is that orientable surface but deflated < 1299787906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be more precise? < 1299787909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is everything else (proof follows by induction0 < 1299787909 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the topology part) < 1299787911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1299787917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know the definition of an orientable surface < 1299787924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1299787927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i do < 1299787928 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well think for example of "genus" surfaces < 1299787941 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sphere, donut, donut with two holes, ... < 1299787959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an orientable surface is one that can't pronounce Rs < 1299787978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION awaits swattage.
< 1299787983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "deflated" means? < 1299787989 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the air is let out. < 1299787992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh? < 1299787992 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember why I gave up on Mercury < 1299787997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : an orientable surface is one that can't pronounce Rs < 1299787998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1299787998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oriental < 1299788001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oliental < 1299788001 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299788014 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it makes you psychotic even in very low amounts? < 1299788021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: somehow i couldn't read your line correctly < 1299788024 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it gives you kidney failure? < 1299788031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a temporary disorientation < 1299788066 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "IRC?" is not blatantly only pretending to be dumb, how is what cheater said... < 1299788074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh < 1299788092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: troll etc. < 1299788103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need an autoresponder script. < 1299788117 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299788122 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788123 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299788123 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was not a troll, i almost made such a pun myself < 1299788137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I never said that line in particular was a troll. < 1299788185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just everything he says < 1299788246 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now if you deflate a surface and get the graph, they have the same fundamental group < 1299788261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the fundamental group of a graph? < 1299788277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: you don't need to explain algebraic topology to me < 1299788291 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that was oklopol < 1299788303 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i was just thinking "that guy starting with o" < 1299788320 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have oerjan explain it to you :D < 1299788334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need it explained, i need it defined < 1299788395 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: seriously though, it's the same as in a continuous space < 1299788403 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the set of different loops. < 1299788456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1299788468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a group < 1299788471 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just imagine you embed your graph in R^n, and imagine the fundamental group there < 1299788474 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788474 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299788475 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299788533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a doughnut < 1299788535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you deflate it < 1299788539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you get a circle? < 1299788547 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a circle a graph? < 1299788554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't really know how you do the embedding < 1299788580 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299788580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1299788586 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take some points somewhere randomly < 1299788594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You put the triangle with one side on the [0,1] interval and the point in the positive imaginary direction. < 1299788595 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably at least two < 1299788643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what graph could you get this way for instance? < 1299788667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what graph has Z^2 as its fundamental group < 1299788691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one vertex, two loops < 1299788703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't commute < 1299788709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did actually come up with a possible practical use for this, but it was even more crazy.) < 1299788727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a free group from that < 1299788728 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two loops for a genus 1? < 1299788743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok that may be tricky < 1299788744 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you were answering the later question < 1299788763 0 :ab5tract!~ab5tract@s529dd550.adsl.wanadoo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking abelianized fundamental group (aka H_1 homology) < 1299788784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha homo < 1299788809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly the most inspired thing i've ever said. < 1299788810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "abelianised" is such a cool word I am going to drop it into every conversation I can. < 1299788816 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the torus surface has Z^2 < 1299788822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: O KAY < 1299788829 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get a graph this way.. hmm < 1299788832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what did you do to my dog?" < 1299788834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abelisanised it." < 1299788838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"its organs are everywhere." < 1299788839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1299788840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: erm not as fundamental group, no < 1299788855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be read in pfsc font) < 1299788855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone give me a name for a piece of software to call "osmium". < 1299788858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, certainly not < 1299788862 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: surface, not the donut with the inside < 1299788865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh. Osmium? < 1299788872 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1299788879 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... wait, what is the fundamental group there? < 1299788883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a name for// < 1299788900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: still not. the two directions you can circle don't commute < 1299788904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abelianised osmium. < 1299788910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental group of a doughnut is Z^2 < 1299788934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's impossible to implement as the fundamental group of a graph i think < 1299788940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: erm reference < 1299788941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your definition < 1299788943 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fundamental group of the torus is just the direct product of the fundamental group of the circle with itself: < 1299788944 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \pi_1(\mathbb{T}^2) = \pi_1(S^1) \times \pi_1(S^1) \cong \mathbb{Z} \times \mathbb{Z}. < 1299788949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just heard the definition, i don't have one < 1299788955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reference for what? < 1299788965 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, i was talking about the donut, not the torus surface < 1299788965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wtf i'm wrong < 1299788969 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :donut = torus with jam inside < 1299788972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299788983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well that's Z < 1299788987 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299788990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait wtf i'm wrong < 1299788991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299788993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never be wrong oerjan < 1299788995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me sad. < 1299789004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More generally, the fundamental group of any graph G is a free group." < 1299789012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about being unclear, i'm of course talking about the outside, because the inside is just the circle, topologically < 1299789012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually i'm not quite sure < 1299789022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're probably right :-)))) < 1299789026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fundamental groupally < 1299789030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn emacs < 1299789030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah < 1299789037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems kinda obvious < 1299789038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about every fun language I read about has an emacs mode < 1299789046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, not that I don't know the basics of emacs < 1299789053 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to force myself to use it < 1299789081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ...what do you use now? < 1299789086 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, but the circle can get reduced to a graph too < 1299789092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you have a path that's a circle, then obviously that path is just... well, that path < 1299789093 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad++ < 1299789094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol and oerjan mathsing, Sgeo making us all palm our faces < 1299789095 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(finite number of elements = easier for counting) < 1299789096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old #esoteric < 1299789114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: yeah but that's a trivial case < 1299789117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ... < 1299789123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even your silly definition of a fundamental group works there < 1299789126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I hate you forever. < 1299789133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i didn't take it as a counterexample of it not being silly. < 1299789152 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Notepad%2B%2B_screenshot2.png < 1299789158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs works well for Clojure, as far as I can tell. It probably works well for most languages someone wrote a major mode for. < 1299789160 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299789167 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've changed my mind, that's the best tab completion thing ever. < 1299789179 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how is it silly? < 1299789192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: well because it just gives you free groups < 1299789198 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming it has "explode" on all tab completions. < 1299789206 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Clojure? < 1299789216 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, it does. < 1299789226 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That was some PHP code, and explode is a common PHP function ... < 1299789232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I really *do* hate you forever. < 1299789233 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, please tell me you've at least heard of Clojure, even if you're morally opposed... < 1299789241 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok. < 1299789245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay then < 1299789246 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explode($sgeo) < 1299789265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i was definitely wrong < 1299789268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intuitively speaking, this means that a closed path that circles the torus' "hole" (say, a circle that traces out a particular latitude) and then circles the torus' "body" (say, a circle that traces out a particular longitude) can be deformed to a path that circles the body and then the hole." < 1299789269 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's so horrible about Clojure? < 1299789272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People code Lisp dialects in non-Emacs? < 1299789280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides being on the JVM < 1299789282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like Welcome to Pain City, Pain Population: You. < 1299789288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maaaybe vim. < 1299789297 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about DrRacket? < 1299789306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what were you wrong about? < 1299789307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vim's Scheme indentation mode used to suck incredible amounts of suck. It's better nowadays. < 1299789310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you *know* about my experience with #clojure. < 1299789314 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1299789316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot. < 1299789321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, fizzie expressed *dislike* for something?? < 1299789330 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sucking is good. < 1299789334 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, so good. < 1299789336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's written in vimscript. I have a feeling even writing suck in that is a chore. < 1299789342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fizzie is stating a statistic: people considered it sucky before < 1299789356 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one or two people in some IRC channel don't know elementary CS math < 1299789365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big whoop. Unless it was Rick < 1299789368 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *GASP* < 1299789375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: about the torus giving a free group. < 1299789388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, at least one of them was directly involved in the language. < 1299789394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you say the torus gives you a free group? < 1299789405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as its topological fundamental group? < 1299789439 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no torus gives you Z or Z^2 depending on which torus you mean (full or hollow) < 1299789453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i implied it < 1299789473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay indeed < 1299789483 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.taxfreegold.co.uk/osmiumpricesusdollars.html < 1299789488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this is the silliest thing ever. < 1299789488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: For context, not a single person in #clojure would state outright that O(log_32 n) = O(log n). < 1299789494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAX FREE OSMIUM < 1299789509 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O_O < 1299789510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A majority argued that they were the same in theory but not in practice, and a small minority argued that it was just harmless semantics. < 1299789521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IN SOME IRC CHANNEL DON'T KNOW ELEMENTARY CS MATH HURP DERP < 1299789528 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably because this notation is illegal. < 1299789538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1299789549 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but that just might be coming up after you get out of high school. < 1299789574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right elliott is just a little kid xD < 1299789584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: are you a mathematician < 1299789585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ...what? < 1299789599 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no! < 1299789609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater- is presumably being an idiot. < 1299789613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1299789622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well after he pointed out that you are younger than him, i immediately understood why order notation is illegal < 1299789623 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-, let's just say that even I know what the notation is. < 1299789629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he is. < 1299789633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: has he used the hilarious name "idiott" yet < 1299789636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best one imo < 1299789651 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there's no such thing as O(x) = O(y) in mathematics. < 1299789656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he clearly knows more math than me and oerjan put together < 1299789683 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-, so how would I describe that O(2) and O(1) are the same thing? < 1299789686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: O(f) is the set of functions g such that there exist n and c such that g(x) <= cf(x) for all x >= n? < 1299789726 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, and no < 1299789730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you'll have to repeat that to me later. < 1299789734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: ? < 1299789739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely certain of the exact definition. < 1299789745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess you just said it. < 1299789745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's on wp :) < 1299789751 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to stare at it more < 1299789755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i should hope so, at least) < 1299789763 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the problem is that traditionally using equality on the object O(f) is to be interpreted as an \in sign. < 1299789772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: erm, that's just notation < 1299789788 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is arguing about notation. I think. < 1299789813 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sure, so following your train of thought 8=2 is valid mathematics < 1299789816 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some notation. < 1299789818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notation that often makes stuff easier to state in number theory and that's completely useless in cs < 1299789841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurp derp pedantry is mathematics < 1299789847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: the difference is everyone knows what the O notation means < 1299789850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why all math notation is unambiguous < 1299789863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8=2 is true in the group of R modulo 6 :P < 1299789869 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits someone with pi(20)
< 1299789869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, it is even so that Vim nowadays has a "LISP indentation" mode built-in (well, when compiled with +lispindent). It used to be scripted and amazingly slow; several seconds of waiting when you pressed enter inside a dozen-line expression. < 1299789880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Implessive. < 1299789881 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that's not a group! < 1299789884 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: in which case it'd be 8 == 2 :p < 1299789890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *Impleththive. < 1299789895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Asian Lisper. < 1299789920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8==2? sorry what's this == < 1299789938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never seen it before. < 1299789941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not real mathematics. < 1299789943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's lies. < 1299789949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now ≡, I know that. < 1299789960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==, though, def. not mathematics < 1299789961 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're right, it's a set. I suck at pedantry :( < 1299789979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CLEARLY SUCK AT MATHS < 1299790024 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☐? what's this? < 1299790056 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid your fancy character set isn't compatible with the rest of the internet < 1299790082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, UTF-8, who uses that. < 1299790086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly not anyone on IRC. < 1299790092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you ever used UTF-8? < 1299790104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used UTF-8. < 1299790119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Isn't that the thing they put in strawberries to keep the shine? < 1299790126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Y...ees. < 1299790133 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tea eff eight? < 1299790153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's when your still-alive dinner has an orgy with eight others. < 1299790156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tragic experience. < 1299790188 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181132180.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299790252 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C++ is crime against humanity, and its creator is the programming equivalent of Saddam Hussein." < 1299790281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fact that this gold tracking site also tracks everything in the platinum group. < 1299790302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because rhenium is such an investment! < 1299790322 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299790454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: --taw, I believe. < 1299790473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although this URI has t-a-w in it < 1299790476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://t-a-w.blogspot.com/2007/02/right-to-criticize-programming.html < 1299790490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose taw.blogspot.com was taken. < 1299790495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1299790567 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1299790854 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEEKEND < 1299790944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HELLO < 1299790950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ams is more insane than previously believed. < 1299790969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do tell. < 1299790990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I present a three-line snippet from #forth today, provided with all the context it had originally, i.e. none whatsoever: < 1299790993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Veggie oil; it's generated by burning vegetarians. < 1299790993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're cute < 1299790993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lets have sex < 1299791020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not ams's insanity, just his sense of humor. < 1299791022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE NOTHING INSANE ABOUT THAT < 1299791029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I *strongly* hope so. < 1299791040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YOU WANNA BET. < 1299791047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not especially. < 1299791050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh come on, the 40 year old paedophile thing is so cliché. < 1299791060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your kind of ugly < 1299791064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's have sex anyway < 1299791066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few people have come ahead betting against humans being insane. < 1299791068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1299791069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llool < 1299791073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He looks like a girl, as well. < 1299791078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, there? < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37:32 elliott you is goil? < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37:47 Not that I'm aware of. < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37:50 k < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37:52 just chking < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:38:16 keep it in your pant, ams < 1299791083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1299791085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:53:35 SunTzu: you are assuming i'm a guy < 1299791087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:05:25 what is your gender? < 1299791089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:18:30 SunTzu: does it matter? < 1299791091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:18:40 and what if i do not have a gender? < 1299791093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FURTHER ADVENTURES INTO CRAZY < 1299791110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your kind of ugly; lets have s'ex anyway < 1299791114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAMMAR WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN < 1299791120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's easier to just call him an asshat. < 1299791126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's demonstrable. < 1299791151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Before that he was arguing for the "GNU/Linux" term with abject sincerity, and then *honestly strongly implied that the Hurd was not vapourware*. < 1299791158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even from the GNU System maintainer, I mean... seriously. < 1299791178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they do have *something* to show for their decades of effort. < 1299791179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:13:38 yea, that was spam and the one prev was dehtml scrubbed clean, so i dont know what it said. no significant content < 1299791179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:13:54 "When will TUNES be done?" < 1299791180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:13:59 prolly something like that ;-) < 1299791180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:14:02 like Hurd, never < 1299791180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:14:17 SunTzu: the Hurd has had three releases. < 1299791181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREE VERY SERIOUS RELEASES < 1299791186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess technically it isn't vapourware. < 1299791187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supports everything except USB, and everything else. < 1299791195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299791201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an insanely slow development process. < 1299791210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, yeah. It has a Linux 2.2 driver stack. < 1299791257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/g165z/what_is_the_name_of_that_saxophone_song_thats/ best reddit thread ever < 1299791289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.fogus.me/2011/03/09/recursion-is-a-low-level-operation/ < 1299791296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RECURSION IS LOW-LEVER < 1299791303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO LOW-LEVEL < 1299791322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, his point is perfectly sane, but he uses Clojure so I hate him.) < 1299791336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't necessarily call it "low-level", but it certainly should be avoided in functional languages when possible. < 1299791341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh come on, fogus is a good guy. < 1299791352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And plenty of sane people use Cojure, it's just an honest mistake and whatnot. < 1299791358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM < 1299791371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the Arcane Sentiment guy has good things to say about it; it's everyone involved with it who _isn't_ the language creator who's the problem. < 1299791383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, your hate gland is even more hyperactive than mine. < 1299791390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build your functions out of other clearly understandable functions that happen to be implemented recursively. This makes shit not mind-bending. < 1299791404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tail recursion is iteration, which is low-level. < 1299791411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-tail recursion is higher-level. < 1299791413 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hating things is FUN < 1299791416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still not natural. < 1299791428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, tail recursion is definitely a low-level. < 1299791436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a totes low levels. < 1299791436 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tail recursion: All the flavor of recursion, but with no more fat than iteration! < 1299791454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can't believe it's not imperative! :P < 1299791466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY. Tomorrow I am buying RTK1 and maybe 3. Today, it turns out, that there is a level of sleep deprivation, at which it is impossible to use amazon.co.uk. < 1299791554 0 :treederwright!~wright@c-24-23-11-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299791562 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a esoteric room < 1299791585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299791588 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299791602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: http://esolangs.org/ has more on our mystical order. < 1299791605 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? am i being asked if i'm a girl? i don't understand! < 1299791606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a channel, which is to say a particular partition of the communication through a network which are all tagged with a relevant channel identifier. It has no physical substance, and is as such not a room. < 1299791611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that right, brother oerjan. < 1299791620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O! The Godly One Gregor speaketh towards us. < 1299791623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you should totally be stocking up on osmium rather than gold. < 1299791624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bow
< 1299791631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better in like every way. < 1299791634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BOW < 1299791635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor speaketh of the mystical Multiplexing. Hallowed be the concept. < 1299791636 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im new here, but i am a member of esoteric orders < 1299791638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders the mystical wisdom of letting elliott being our welcoming committee
< 1299791638 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i've already cornered the market in osmium < 1299791644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :P < 1299791647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM < 1299791649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, how much do you have? < 1299791650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM < 1299791652 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone here rosicrucian? < 1299791658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how's that goat doing, any blood left in it yet < 1299791658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be < 1299791661 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a member of the tradition of the temple < 1299791664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: BAHAHAHA! Of course! < 1299791664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright, sure, I'll be one. < 1299791672 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: none. how much more is it worth than platinum? < 1299791676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: Doubtful; this is esoteric in the sense of esoteric programming languages, not in the sense of esotericism. < 1299791682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What? < 1299791686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You speaketh foul of our intents. < 1299791689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the @ next to his name and twiddles his thumbs.
< 1299791691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, its cost per gram is about half that of gold. < 1299791700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Has't teou a malice in'st thou intention? < 1299791703 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: MEH < 1299791716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: O Decider < 1299791723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haþ neiþer malice nor ſlander in mine intents. < 1299791726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*But* it looks awesome, is the second-hardest and the densest metal, and can be used for chemical warfare in a pinch. < 1299791729 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1299791731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall but twiddle. < 1299791737 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im in the wrong area < 1299791741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Habetis igitur verbum herba. < 1299791742 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for computer stuff < 1299791745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: Incorrect. < 1299791746 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, yes you are :P < 1299791748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrongest. < 1299791753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright, computer esoterica! < 1299791753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is for Rosicrucian only. < 1299791762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you even know what that *is*? < 1299791763 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299791763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please - ignore the misleaders. < 1299791765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: sadly we've never found a better irc channel to point people like you to < 1299791770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are intended only to filter out the True Believers. < 1299791772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do graph theory on pentagrams. < 1299791781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :P < 1299791785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, quick, prove something about the, < 1299791787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them. < 1299791789 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just amazed at your funniness < 1299791794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentagrams have four sides < 1299791794 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Twiddle < 1299791796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1299791800 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is this nick not taken! < 1299791802 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299791804 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, ALTERNATELY: stock up on iridium. < 1299791807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299791813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pentagram the circle of 5? < 1299791817 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: iridium is shit < 1299791820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a graph i mean < 1299791821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a charlie sheen quote < 1299791822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cycle < 1299791828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright, what're the dimensions of the matrix of solidity? < 1299791828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENTER MY OCTAGON AND FACE MY MATRIX OF SOLIDITY < 1299791830 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hallo thar is no HackEgo and I can't bring it back up right now :P < 1299791837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: WHYYYYYYYY < 1299791856 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: My home router went kashits and I can't ssh in. < 1299791857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, NO IT ISN'T < 1299791871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: the determinant of my matrix is 0 :< < 1299791877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WORST kind of solidity < 1299791881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the matrix of solidity square? Is it invertible? < 1299791886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not invertible! < 1299791887 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STILL NO EGOBOT EH < 1299791888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently oklopol's matrix is not invertible. < 1299791888 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL BE YOUR EIGENVECTOR < 1299791888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem < 1299791890 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299791895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOO < 1299791896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I hear there's new treatments nowadays for that kind of stuff. < 1299791902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo, the one person who could save us < 1299791903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from our < 1299791904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATRICES < 1299791905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF < 1299791905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLIDITY < 1299791906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1299791910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there just one big one < 1299791911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE WILL NEVER FIND THE INVERSE OF OUR MATRIX OF SOLIDITY < 1299791925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Perhaps all our matrices are submatrices of the matrix of solidity. < 1299791941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Residence of the Entrapments of the Matrix of Solidity | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299791942 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you living in a post-singularity world? < 1299791956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Residency of the Entrapments of the Matrix of Solidity | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299791959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, IRIDIUM KICKS PLATINUM'S ASS < 1299791981 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: platinum is a metal. it doesn't have an ass. < 1299792002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Certain samples of platinum possess an ass. < 1299792009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And iridium can kick the ass of such samples. < 1299792036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, um, but, yeah, surely if you're stocking up on precious metals for your crazy survivalist plans you should at least use one with *some* practical application once civilisation collapses. < 1299792068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There won't exactly be much demand for catalytic converters. < 1299792073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Iron! < 1299792088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And get skill at smithing. < 1299792124 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yeah, but iridium is basically like diamond in Minecraft. < 1299792138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really hard and it's very resistant to corrosion. < 1299792159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dream of a day where every physical object is explained in terms of Minecraft. < 1299792166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including activities such as "mining". < 1299792178 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the precious metals are only to be used as portable trade items. the most important feature such a metal can have is rarity. < 1299792190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, iridium is effing rare. < 1299792202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're arguing with a guy who prioritises trade of meaningless goods over survival in a post-apocalyptic scenario. < 1299792202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, iridium makes gold look like candy. < 1299792205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no reasoning to take place. < 1299792228 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what. < 1299792235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mine three tons every year. Total. < 1299792239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, iridium is found *in platinum deposits*. < 1299792242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wasn't that the thing you were saying. < 1299792244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was you. < 1299792247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not have been you. < 1299792260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*In trace amounts.* < 1299792286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iridium is quite pretty. < 1299792290 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, no. in a post-apocalyptic scenario a portable trade good is not exactly top priority. highest priority is food shelter clean water guns and ammunition :P < 1299792300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like a ring made out of iridium or something. < 1299792304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yes, and iridium is actually *useful* there. < 1299792314 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299792316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I want one made of osmium because it has an awesome colour. < 1299792326 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: where can i buy iridium coins *now*? < 1299792333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Why guns, perfect time to start an anarcho-syndicalist commune :P < 1299792344 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299792348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except then I found out that its oxide is really toxic and forms from air. But then I found somewhere else saying that it was perfectly safe as a solid. < 1299792350 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to defend the anarcho-socialist commune from people with guns < 1299792364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but what if EVERYONE starts their own commune of one < 1299792365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THEN < 1299792387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then i'd be in my own commune of one < 1299792388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Osmium_cluster.jpg < 1299792390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is sexy. < 1299792395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, http://www.advent-rm.com/materials/Iridium.htm < 1299792398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do want ring. < 1299792399 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think you could have worked this out on your own) < 1299792400 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1299792416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately go for osmium because it's also pretty hard and unreactive enough. < 1299792420 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And looks awesome. < 1299792424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the rarest thing that's rare < 1299792442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the rarest elements are all ultra-radioactive and hence worthless. < 1299792450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awesome < 1299792457 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*delicious < 1299792467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, you can only get a few atoms in a lump of uranium ore. < 1299792496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rarest thing that isn't super-radioactive :-P < 1299792502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1299792507 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iridium is extremely rare. < 1299792514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as rare as happiness. < 1299792519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, more specifically, http://www.advent-rm.com/catalogue/lines.aspx?criteria=material&materialid=20 < 1299792527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really hard to machine, though. < 1299792538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn they pricey. < 1299792546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 3 elements rarer than iridium on Earth. < 1299792547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's get the £1,110 one. < 1299792553 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1299792555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhenium, ruthenium, rhodium. < 1299792556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.40 g/m, 2m < 1299792557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ...it doesn't list prices. < 1299792561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 mm diameter < 1299792565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...click a product line number < 1299792567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.advent-rm.com/catalogue/items.aspx?criteria=line&linenumber=IR5248 < 1299792567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1299792567 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£1309 for one coin? < 1299792567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG < 1299792568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRICES < 1299792571 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hardly tradeable < 1299792575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 0.5 isn't much there's more < 1299792577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the thickest < 1299792579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.25 looks like < 1299792582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thickness vs diameter < 1299792584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exempting highly unstable elements) < 1299792598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Dude, *gold* isn't even that tradable. < 1299792603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sell discs. < 1299792608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what's tradable? Canned goods. < 1299792614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.advent-rm.com/catalogue/items.aspx?criteria=line&linenumber=IR1619 < 1299792616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one is most expensive < 1299792617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's buy it < 1299792624 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what goes bad in a year? canned goods. < 1299792647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If everything collapses, people aren't going to *give a shit* about shiny. < 1299792651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not always a year. but they lose nutritional value after at least a few) < 1299792683 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, it's not that it's shiny. it's that it is portable and has a long-established value association. < 1299792694 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, tools and useful goods are best for trade < 1299792694 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299792701 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if you don't have anything that person needs < 1299792704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, http://www.platinumgroupmetals.org/ < 1299792719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also possesses no innate use when you're fighting for your life. < 1299792739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmium is the second-cheapest, after ruthenium. < 1299792752 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're looking too far ahead < 1299792788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're being far too optimistic in your assessment of a worst-case scenario. < 1299792791 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's most valuable during the apocalypse. the transition period immediately after fiat money becomes valueless but stores still have wares to sell < 1299792802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think stores will still be operated post-apocalypse? < 1299792803 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm looking as far as "I want some of this, screw the apocalypse." < 1299792803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L O L < 1299792814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankyoucomeagain < 1299792827 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that have guns and valuable stuff for survival will < 1299792833 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they'll run out of stuff < 1299792839 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but later stores will happen again < 1299792842 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are people < 1299792843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. Hah. No. They'll be fucked. < 1299792846 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they do < 1299792852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the book of shitty unrealistic libertarian fantasies you took this from :) < 1299792860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stores will happen again...sure < 1299792872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If fiat money goes away, expect looting. < 1299792873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but day 3 after the apocalypse, nobody's gonna be running that store. < 1299792877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends entirely on the kind of apocalypse. < 1299792883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on. revolutions cause major looting. < 1299792886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apocalypse... < 1299792889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's nuclear, say, nothing's going to happen. < 1299792897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Heck, just a sufficiently bad natural disaster does it. < 1299792903 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain to me exactly how someone with a warehouse full of guns and enough people to defend it couldn't profit immensely by continuing to operate after economic collapse? < 1299792904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. $67 per gram of osmium. < 1299792912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god < 1299792913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "Enough people to defend it". < 1299792913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS GUNS GUNS < 1299792922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone had guns everyone would live in liberty and peace and equality < 1299792929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vs. a market price of $400 per troy ounce which comes to... < 1299792931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're assuming the store owner has a small army. < 1299792933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the core of every libertarian nutjob fantasy < 1299792935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 400/23 < 1299792935 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17.391304347826086 < 1299792947 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes. and when you have a warehouse filled with guns and most people have knives, that's probably not very many. < 1299792947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait. < 1299792952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And will continue to do so when the average person has *no currency*. < 1299792959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS < 1299792962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAREHOUSES FILLED WITH GUNS < 1299792963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMMO < 1299792965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY PRIVATE ARMIES < 1299792968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY WAREHOUSES < 1299792969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS < 1299792971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 400/31 < 1299792972 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12.903225806451612 < 1299792979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even *less* reasonable. < 1299792980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this apocalypse involve the destruction of mathematics? < 1299792980 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299792981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh, please, people will loot Walmart first. < 1299792984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: YES. < 1299792987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. < 1299792988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all graphs will be destroyed. < 1299792992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299792996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is this market it's $400/ozt? < 1299792996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the infinite ones?! < 1299792998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's ok < 1299793001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you get to make them up all over again < 1299793002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on? < 1299793009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299793011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that idea! < 1299793012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: on? < 1299793014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean oz < 1299793014 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sure. that'll get five people 20 rifles a piece. there will still be demand. < 1299793017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brought a little tear in my eye < 1299793021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS GUNS GUNS < 1299793022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUUUUNS < 1299793023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS < 1299793028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: And no currency. < 1299793030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: cause the apocalypse and it will all be yours < 1299793031 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, I mean which market does it cost that on? < 1299793032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GUNS < 1299793038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THE EXPENSIVE SHIT MARKET < 1299793042 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly. < 1299793048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, that's the thing! < 1299793053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *cheap*! < 1299793056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ;P < 1299793057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1299793066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299793066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Frugal Buyers of Expensive Shit Market. < 1299793068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: And the owner of all these guns isn't going to care about your shiny rocks. < 1299793069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuns. < 1299793072 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299793073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Guns guns guns guns guns guns guns. < 1299793075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guns. < 1299793078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1299793079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Food, sure. But shiny rocks? < 1299793084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299793084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that good for, slingshot ammo? < 1299793085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to add later) < 1299793104 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299793110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am seriously confused here. < 1299793117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guns. < 1299793121 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: maybe. maybe not. at the very least, it will be worth recognizably more than slips of cotton. < 1299793122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is that figure just plucked from the air? < 1299793124 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299793125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299793131 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299793141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Okay, true, it will possess more worth than fiat currency. < 1299793141 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that the apocalypse is May 21, so you've got to work fast here too. < 1299793149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I was not Lucidending... OR WAS I? (No, seriously, I wasn't.) http://gaw.kr/fchwHH" --Adrian Shit < 1299793152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I doubt worth *much* more. < 1299793157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about a graph that's complete in EVERY topology? < 1299793157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why the Internet Thinks I Faked Having Cancer on a Message Board" < 1299793163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This article is going to be so, so classy. < 1299793168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So classy I can't help but read it. < 1299793171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the fiat currency would, in this hypothetical, be devoid of any use except burning and novelty. < 1299793175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: May 21? < 1299793179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*21st? < 1299793196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll leave you with this thought, have to go now tho < 1299793196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But for the rest, here is the story of how a dumb late-night joke tweet led one of the Internet's largest message boards to believe I am a horrible person." You are, but ha ha, I was rigt, Phantom_Hoover was wrong, I'm so tired, fuidjklvck < 1299793197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in the case of metal coins, smelting. < 1299793199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yeah. < 1299793207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMELT EVERYTHING IN A FURNACE WITH COAL < 1299793210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMELT LOGS INTO MORE COAL < 1299793231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: name something else that is small, useful post-apocalypse, highly valuable, and does not lose value over time. < 1299793241 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299793247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, what terminally ill person would spend even one of his last hours answering questions on a message board? (And why Reddit, when 4chan would have come up way more interesting questions?)" < 1299793251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. 4chan ask interesting questions. < 1299793253 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spy a jix < 1299793260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a factual thing that is known to be a true factual fact which is true. < 1299793284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit has no value and thus doesn't lose any, is useful for getting rid off and can be small. it's not highly valuable though. < 1299793297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are plenty of reasons for this differential, but chief among them is Reddit's female problem. The board, with its ridiculous "Men's Rights" forum, often displays what one twitter user calls "loony anti-woman rage." Lucidending was a dude." < 1299793298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't have all the answers < 1299793299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god. < 1299793306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN CREATE A SUBREDDIT, REDDIT IS THE SEXIST < 1299793308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Name to me anything that is small, *useful post-apocalypse*, highly valuable, and does not lose value over time. < 1299793328 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes. i added that because you insisted that any valuable trade good be useful < 1299793337 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore you must say what such thing exists < 1299793371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can throw shit at your enemy? < 1299793376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you know about how crazy people are; what on earth is that $400/ozt figure coming from? < 1299793383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's show 'em < 1299793386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ll < 1299793388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sorry, but most commodities tend to lose value over time. But *oh well*, because commodities can be obtained later when shit stables out. < 1299793428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: And the simple fact is, if all hell breaks loose, mere hypothetical value is the furthest thing from people's minds. < 1299793441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct, immediate use is all that's relevant. < 1299793445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah people will start checking all the graphs are intact < 1299793447 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can't name anything better for a long-lasting stockpile than gold? (long-lasting meaning i won't immediately start consuming it) < 1299793458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't have time for silly things like that < 1299793460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, OSMIUM < 1299793473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, you'd probably have better luck storing some water. < 1299793473 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: all hell doesn't last very long. people start asserting control a lot quicker than you would expect < 1299793483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Especially* if you're in, say, Arizona. < 1299793511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah once you've checked a few small graphs, you can get the rest by induction < 1299793514 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i would start consuming water immediately. because, you know, it goes bad and stuff. < 1299793517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can try to put out the fires < 1299793520 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1299793525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then onto groups prolly < 1299793533 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON OSMIUM < 1299793563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those free ones are so damn fickle < 1299793580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, that thing has iridium pegged at a lower price than rhodium. < 1299793589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's complete fantasy. < 1299793618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, rhodium production is over 8 times that of iridium. < 1299793625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are rodeos built out of rhodium < 1299793634 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes they are. < 1299793636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is Rhodew. < 1299793639 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Rhodes < 1299793646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this all makes sense. < 1299793650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can learn more tomorrow -> < 1299793689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I'm consuming water that's been around for billions of years. < 1299793710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what do complete graphs have to do with topologies < 1299793784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn just too late < 1299793812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiuhduiwhuiuihhudhuidhnffhdhrhfhghfhjdndjkj < 1299793817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inveny lNGUAG wher is word < 1299793824 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you're drinking water that's recently been purified. < 1299793852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- never too late for topology! < 1299793857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1299793857 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299793861 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water filters might be a good commodity to have. afaik, they don't go bad until you start using them. < 1299793875 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NEVER PLAYED IT, JUST GOD OF WAAAAAAARRRRR! < 1299793885 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$261 for 5g of osmium on eBay. < 1299793889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the usual meaning of complete graph does not involve any afaik < 1299793891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: what < 1299793893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a fifth of a millilitre. < 1299793921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who know's though? < 1299793922 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmium? i thought there was some indie-game by that name. < 1299793924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klsdf < 1299793926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knows < 1299793929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with me < 1299793931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299793934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas, nah, it's a metal. < 1299793941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDIE GAMES? O U MEAN LIEK MINDKRAFT < 1299793950 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and braid < 1299793953 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and world of goo < 1299793957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299793959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mindkratf. < 1299793962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looking it up there's a $99/1.43g thing. < 1299793962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats some sense into oklopol -----###
< 1299793963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only indaie gaiom < 1299793975 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINDKRAFT Y U HAVE NO FANCY GRAPHICS? < 1299793979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myenekflcrafkt < 1299793991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have to go now, no matter HOW topology. < 1299793992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: TOTES PREEMPTIVELY BANNED FROM #ESOTERIC-MINECRAFT < 1299793996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAN BAN BAN < 1299794013 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes! < 1299794017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban ban ban < 1299794084 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I like, adopt 10 kittens and dress them in hipster clothes and make nice youtube videos to wash away my sins? < 1299794120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: you can do everything up to the word "make" < 1299794128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it starts getting tricky < 1299794149 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh %) < 1299794172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: you'd need to craft a youtube video first < 1299794175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the latter part is obviously incompatible with the former < 1299794202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 10g for £215. < 1299794206 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to craft a youtube video, I'll first have to craft the universe < 1299794210 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then create youtube in it < 1299794213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1299794217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft needs apple pie. < 1299794223 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the volume of a ring is.
< 1299794225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to craft a universe, enter it, and then make apple pie. < 1299794245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's an abstract algebraic object. it has no volume, duh, you can't say how loud it is! < 1299794251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION enters the Mandatory Swatting Booth
< 1299794265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION performs the Mandatory Swatting -----###
< 1299794275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries a little, walks out
< 1299794338 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes a height of 1mm.
< 1299794359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SWAT HIM < 1299794362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (pi*0.1**3)/6 < 1299794363 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.235987755982989e-4 < 1299794389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HE'S THE PERFECT SIZE < 1299794397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan, what timezone are you in now, when are you going to sleep :D < 1299794407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to get a hold on ØST < 1299794423 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299794429 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299794448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :optbot < 1299794464 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299794481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's important for meterological purposes < 1299794489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torus#Geometry < 1299794495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ANSWER MY QUESTIONS FIRST < 1299794553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm in UTC+1 < 1299794556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2*pi**2*10*0.5**2 < 1299794565 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2*pi**2*10*0.5**2 < 1299794566 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 49.34802200544679 < 1299794571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no i mean your 25-hour day timezone < 1299794581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when are you going to sleep/when did you get up, so i can calculate the true UTC offset >:D < 1299794588 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50mm^3, then. < 1299794628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.05cm^3. < 1299794635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? It must be more than that... < 1299794646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in about [REDACTED] hours < 1299794669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.05 * 23 < 1299794670 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.1500000000000001 < 1299794671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WHAT IS SO SECRET ABOUT THAT. I _will_ use IRC logs if necessary < 1299794691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally øst is norwegian for east < 1299794713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, that actually means you could get enough for a ring for a reasonable price. < 1299794740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you just want to make it a "challenge" < 1299794741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1299794774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very reasonable price, actually; £30 or so. < 1299794811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Seriously? Sweet. < 1299794816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that, iridum or osmium < 1299794819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Which < 1299794822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmium. < 1299794824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cooler one. < 1299794833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I'm not even hallucinating. < 1299794835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm still unclear as to its toxicity. < 1299794837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep-deprivation like this, I want to hallucinate. < 1299794843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: >_> HOW ABOUT THAT IRIDIUM EY < 1299794855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's in pellet form; actually making it ring-shaped would be much harder. < 1299794866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299794868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only been 30-31 hours < 1299794869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame :/ < 1299794877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanna see pink giraffes and stuff :( < 1299794929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melting it is not a easy task, given that it actually melts at a lower temperature than iron boils. < 1299794940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tips for inducing hallucinations after 30-31 hours of no sleep plz < 1299794947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it reacts with oxygen quite readily, complicating things even more. < 1299794951 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Red Bull? < 1299794958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299794963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work. don't think there's any lying around though. < 1299794985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LSD? < 1299794989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents have a friend who knows about metalworking; perhaps I should ask her. < 1299795024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's the boring way < 1299795029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn all there is to know about metalworking for yourself instea < 1299795029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1299795031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insetad < 1299795032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instead < 1299795038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wouldn't be much help. < 1299795061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why not < 1299795073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7x10x4 for my new and improvéd minecart station. < 1299795076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay me! < 1299795084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmium is probably not amenable to standard techniques. < 1299795091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wrong chan lol < 1299795096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sweet < 1299795101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about iridium though < 1299795103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just out of curiosity < 1299795104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really hard, has a really high melting point and reacts readily. < 1299795106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kyooriosity < 1299795108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qoorisoty < 1299795112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*qooriosity < 1299795113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, the mass would be almost the same. < 1299795133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less toxic? :P < 1299795142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how heavy would a ring of osmimsimsimsimum be? < 1299795146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is assuming my finger radius though, which is almost certainly greater than yours.) < 1299795177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GEE THANKS < 1299795179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 1.15g for a torus 2cm in diameter and 1mm in tube diameter. < 1299795188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REPEAT < 1299795189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GEE THANKS < 1299795203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, find out how wide your finger is and work it out. < 1299795230 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299795236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling my eeeeyes arouuuuund < 1299795243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i think that more than lack of seelp is required to hallucainte < 1299795248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: way too tired. < 1299795255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how wide is your finger? < 1299795261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wide i guess < 1299795267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299795267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299795268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wide at all < 1299795272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compared to like < 1299795272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atoms < 1299795282 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1cm? < 1299795294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DUNNO < 1299795295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1299795296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 mm < 1299795311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSUMING 1cm BECAUSE IT SCALES EASILY < 1299795320 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hmms
< 1299795323 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't HackEgo reconnect? < 1299795334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case you just need < 1299795339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.15 / 4 < 1299795340 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.2875 < 1299795344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: because it doesn't love you any more < 1299795370 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's OK, I only used it for sex. < 1299795382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP HackEgo < 1299795445 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299795455 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299795490 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299795517 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd < 1299795543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299795551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1299795556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour code < 1299795557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1299795560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1299795562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stripped :P < 1299795678 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"matrix of solidity" < 1299795679 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love it < 1299795694 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299795694 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299795698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299795702 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION >_> <_<
< 1299795703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: you have broke. < 1299795708 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi < 1299795708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -lh quotes < 1299795716 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1299795722 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 34K Mar 10 23:04 quotes < 1299795748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299795749 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :330) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299795752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795754 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :331) <oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795754 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... odd < 1299795761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: really i want to quote the entire treederwright exchange, but :) < 1299795762 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit moody :P < 1299795769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix of solidity is good enough. < 1299795837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, looks like osmium tetroxide production is sufficient even in the solid that a ring would be inadvisable. < 1299795846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IRIDIUM < 1299795848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep '' quotes < 1299795850 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IA,s < 1299795851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1299795853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also :( ) < 1299795855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you lose the awesome colour! < 1299795857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa. < 1299795860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does that even < 1299795865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: TRY IT FOR SCIENCE < 1299795882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's///g' quotes < 1299795883 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299795887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep '' quotes < 1299795888 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah :D < 1299795910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what you tryin'a accomplish :D < 1299795927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive that it replaced ALL the empty strings in the quotes file with empty strings in finite time < 1299795929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: removing the color codes? < 1299795936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there aren't any < 1299795937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is +c < 1299795939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iridium would be doable, but probably more expensibe. < 1299795943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1299795957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am seeing lots of inverted H's < 1299795971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 331 < 1299795972 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1299795974 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$143/4.4g. < 1299795978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795981 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :331) shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good? < 1299795984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: awesome < 1299795988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep '' quotes < 1299795990 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299795996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seems so < 1299796062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still disappointed that osmium is too reactive to use. < 1299796080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if and a los and kot < 1299796080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's great for osmosis < 1299796088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swatioserjan
< 1299796091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------#33333 < 1299796092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :456y < 1299796097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmoerjan. < 1299796101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299796104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmørjan < 1299796123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan, how many hours of your day do you NOT spend on IRC, I ASK PURELY OUT OF _CURIOSITY_ < 1299796125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not out of science < 1299796141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iridium is off-white, though, rather than blue-grey. < 1299796163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Iridium2.jpg < 1299796165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Try off-sexy. < 1299796175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Iridium-2.jpg ;; less so, but still pretty neat. < 1299796182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1299796202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really noticeable in ring form. < 1299796213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares, I want one. < 1299796224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN OERJAN WON'T BE ABLE TO TURN DOWN MY PROPOSAL < 1299796285 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there're black gold alloys. < 1299796294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, they're cheating. < 1299796301 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an oxide layer. < 1299796353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Iridium2.jpg ;; this in ring form i would totally love, but i fear that under different lighting it would look less impressive. < 1299796356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it'll always be shiny < 1299796359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT! < 1299796363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also < 1299796364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you < 1299796364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Ruthenium_a_half_bar.jpg < 1299796366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what my ring's made out of < 1299796367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what? < 1299796369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iridium < 1299796370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-bullshit < 1299796371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1299796389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: RUTHENIUM/IRIDIUM HYBRID < 1299796390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as expensive so you lose the bragging rights, though. < 1299796394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, HMM < 1299796407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIGHTN'T WORK AS WELL AS YOU'D THINK < 1299796421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununoctium i want a ring made out of this < 1299796433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ooh wait, can i have a hydrogen ring < 1299796442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Stop being silly. < 1299796445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1299796446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS < 1299796449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it < 1299796460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RINGS MADE OUT OF PLATINUM GROUP METALS ARE THE ONLY ONES < 1299796494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ruthenium would require half the mass. < 1299796498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bismuth is the only metal. < 1299796521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bismuth crystals are cool but that wouldn't carry over to a ring, I suspect. < 1299796528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT DOESN'T MATTER. < 1299796535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Long story.) < 1299796559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: now now, a sodium ring would also be hot stuff < 1299796561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safe to say that I with others have retrieved a copy of the International Journal of Bismuth from a public library. < 1299796580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After being misheard for the far-more-reasonable-subject-for-a-journal "business".) < 1299796629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1g of ruthenium is a bit more expensive, but it's also a larger volume than osmium. < 1299796650 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over twice as much, in fact. < 1299796667 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, as entertaining as silly rings are, I really ought to sleep. < 1299796679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3 Ring of Silliness < 1299796752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NOOO < 1299796754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP IS OVERRATED < 1299796806 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299796806 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | test < 1299796808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello optbot test < 1299796808 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: test < 1299796813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1299796817 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299796826 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299796826 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | hello: test < 1299796827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello optbot test < 1299796827 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hello: test < 1299796830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299796832 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299796837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return re.sub(r'^[a-zA-Z[\]\\`_^{|}][a-zA-Z0-9[\]\\`_^{|}]+:\s+', '', line) < 1299796840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY MY REGEXP IS INSUFFICIENT < 1299796845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dance that optbot is coming back < 1299796872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like the kind of regexp that gives you two problems < 1299796884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the valid chars in an irc name :) < 1299796887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, regexp. < 1299796891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sub-Turing tarpit. < 1299796909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there's any better syntax for expressing regular expressions...
< 1299796922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1299796934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299796940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: heck, there might even be a _worse_ one < 1299796950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vomit* < 1299796972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* pikhq wonders if there's any better syntax for expressing regular expressions... < 1299796973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl 6's < 1299796977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :racket's < 1299797001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i need your operopinion < 1299797008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | random line < 1299797012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was old optbot's format < 1299797029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you suggest I modify it, keeping in line with the fact that we now have two log links, and use /?C=M;O=D, and the fact that my logs aren't really the ENTIRE backlog, < 1299797034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that that prefix will be really long? < 1299797054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe putting the logs second? but it feels weird to have optbot's zaniness at the start :) < 1299797132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is a serious matter. respond. < 1299797134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were never entire anyway < 1299797145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, no, but close enough. < 1299797146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, < 1299797163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299797166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ridiculously long < 1299797185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :113 chars < 1299797204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about you put my log link in the chanserv welcome message so i can avoid that ;D < 1299797250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the chanserv welcome message is very noticable. < 1299797263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. put tunes there instead ;D < 1299797280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299797315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with "Logs: " given it has to be short < 1299797344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I tried "logs: " but it's still quite long < 1299797350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : conn.write('TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | %s\r\n' % (random_line(),)) < 1299797373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm wait what if I used a url shortener... ais wouldn't click the links, but everyone else would < 1299797378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for just tunes, I mean) < 1299797385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not used to the whole topic showing in irssi top line anyway < 1299797400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a goo.gl one, because that's a name you can trust!
< 1299797448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :template = 'logs: http://goo.gl/54yE4 and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | %s' < 1299797457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you find this acceptable? btw, i wouldn't care about the length, < 1299797460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that topics can get cut off < 1299797467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being too long < 1299797494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPICLEN = 390 < 1299797540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299797545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 301 chars is enough :) < 1299797555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just seems like it hides the optbot wisdom, yaknow < 1299797559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1299797744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION updates logs from hg, runs gen.py, uploads 90 meg file to server
< 1299797748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the lines file) < 1299797775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 83 meg. < 1299797905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is said that he who holds the file of the lines holds the true secret to the Earth. < 1299798002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines 18% 15MB 51.8KB/s 22:10 ETA < 1299798004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should not be so slow... < 1299798012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm transferring ALL THE KNOWLEDGE. < 1299798077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1299798212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's going to be so relaxing not having to come up with witty topics all the time < 1299798221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we'll have that lovely predictable 6-hour clockwork schedule of topic changes < 1299798228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with optbot! if we ever don't like the current one < 1299798235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were the blissful days. < 1299798292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pic, or not to pic < 1299798405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines 46% 39MB 44.7KB/s 16:41 ETA < 1299798414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you feel all the knowledge streaming across the tubes. < 1299798416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. < 1299798449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE TONIGHT < 1299798479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now imagine THIS: when you were thirteen years old, transferring merely the sum total of our blabber that I am currently quickly zipping off to a remote server would be an expensive, unrealistic, and painfully slow endeavour, with a sneakernet solution being hundreds of times faster < 1299798486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm saying is: < 1299798492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) WOW, INTERNET, and < 1299798493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) YOU'RE OLD. < 1299798554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YKGOML < 1299798795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wut < 1299798814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFGI < 1299798816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299798823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, got nothing useful, but grokked it manually < 1299798877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it was a way down on the google page < 1299798897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as google insisted on suggesting "YNGEL" < 1299798927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which incidentally is precisely the kind of word a grumpy old norwegian might use to describe kids trespassing < 1299798929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1299798932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sleep ow < 1299798935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :threshold for pain < 1299798937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowers < 1299798937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immsensely < 1299798938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1299798966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION compassionitates
< 1299798988 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1299798991 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299799002 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a chess program in TeX. < 1299799066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unexpected < 1299799139 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we can write a book about chess, by using TeX. < 1299799141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since he already mentioned starting it < 1299799161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in future i should use rsync to update this lines file. < 1299799182 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still didn't finished, but I finished the part to parse move notations. Now it will parse all algebraic move notations correctly. < 1299799212 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also Forsyth-Edwards Notation. < 1299799220 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do you know Forsyth-Edwards Notation?) < 1299799281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1949320 < 1299799281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try x264 with quantisation set to 0 < 1299799282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1299799297 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is that? < 1299799302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just appeared :D < 1299799316 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299799321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my shell < 1299799330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1299799333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my debug :D < 1299799367 0 :optbot!~optbot@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299799368 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | yes, that must be done < 1299799376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot < 1299799376 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ais523, what'd he do? < 1299799386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ais did nothing < 1299799387 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you sure you aren't just living in a nice area? < 1299799392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I'm sure. ais would be nice anywhere. < 1299799393 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Try timecube :P < 1299799399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: That sounds ungood for my sanity. < 1299799399 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like the first one < 1299799402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What. < 1299799402 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I _think_ that Daeva has an attack that actually scratches test spawner, and ANtaeus doesn't < 1299799409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: That's possible. < 1299799409 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wth is up with http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/what_foolishness_is_this.png < 1299799420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not to mention ais523's sanity. optbot is really testing you here. < 1299799420 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That would be a really useless program. < 1299799424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought oerjan pinged me there, i was very confused. < 1299799431 0 :rusopro!~rusopro__@186.60.1.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299799438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um i did... < 1299799451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but < 1299799453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: wth is up with http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/what_foolishness_is_this.png < 1299799453 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that way it's as shitty as IE < 1299799456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that was you. < 1299799459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: what's as shitty as IE? < 1299799460 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ;( < 1299799463 0 :rusopro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299799465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: don't be so opaque! < 1299799466 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: X_X < 1299799468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: STOP THAT < 1299799468 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, this time it seeds exactly twice at the start of the program < 1299799480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: you just use Python's standard seeding mechanisms < 1299799480 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (Proof: Imagine a regexp that executes, say, a single step of brainfuck except instead of [] you have | which pushes the code after it to a stack, ; which stops executing, : which pops off stack and executes, and ? which runs the next instruction iff !=0) < 1299799491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: That's... not a proof of that at all. < 1299799491 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh. but that one runs on Parrot. fuck that. < 1299799497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: HEAR HEAR < 1299799497 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hah < 1299799500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ... < 1299799501 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you referring to the shape, or the placement? < 1299799505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: The shlacement. < 1299799505 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have my doubts < 1299799509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I know what I talk about. < 1299799509 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are the lengths known? < 1299799515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: They're TOO LONG TO KNOW. < 1299799516 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1299799521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Timecube. < 1299799521 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've done more that 20 bf-interpreters < 1299799529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Over 9000 BF interpreters. < 1299799530 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dont actually want anything from think geek, but even so < 1299799535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Even so! < 1299799535 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well then let's use that. :) < 1299799539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Let's. < 1299799539 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Deewiant, ok but fix the core bugs first! < 1299799544 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should be the space factors for chess notations? < 1299799547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I'm not Deewiant! < 1299799547 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: } < 1299799552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: oerjan is Deewiant; bug him. < 1299799552 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the NNSSSNSNSNSSN line is the cube's code? < 1299799556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: what < 1299799556 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but my numpad usage is a bad habit < 1299799559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ok < 1299799559 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What? < 1299799561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What? < 1299799562 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was it, btw? < 1299799563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: dunno < 1299799564 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just remember it < 1299799567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: huh < 1299799567 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Days, bah. I offer 3 days max wait ;) < 1299799570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your turn < 1299799572 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what size should chess icons on the board? < 1299799628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your obvious attempt to get me banned for spamming is doomed < 1299799652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um optbot conversations are exempt from all spamming rules < 1299799652 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: true < 1299799656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1299799667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot < 1299799667 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot < 1299799668 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or was it just... totally random byte values? < 1299799668 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no need. finding out the answer is a project i will have forgotten in a few days < 1299799671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn :) < 1299799677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot NEVER FORGETS < 1299799677 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh, thanks, also, i think it tries whether h reflects or something < 1299799680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo optbot < 1299799680 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: DID YOU KNOW: bbc's online radio player is hell to get working on linux < 1299799683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1299799688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only fizzie can use that < 1299799688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo optbot < 1299799688 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i love pickled vaginas < 1299799691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299799699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i hoped it would at least list it... < 1299799700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is you can't addquote anything optbot says because it just repeats :D < 1299799700 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I can't change it without changing the font size for ALL documents, including IRC, because it's the DEFAULT SIZE. < 1299799713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (optbot)S < 1299799713 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that makes sense when you're dealing with scalar values... but not values that are the combinations of scalars. < 1299799724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo optbot < 1299799724 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: vjn.fi, just follow the games link < 1299799736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a bad feeling about those two bots waking up. < 1299799741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really bother to rate-limit it. < 1299799767 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can do so by private message, then. < 1299799789 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To send add quote) < 1299799801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean, everything optbot says is just a repeat < 1299799801 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |> < 1299799805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quoting it would be starnge < 1299799835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm torn between trying out optbot! and the fact that I like this topic < 1299799836 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've yet to shave :D < 1299799839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299799840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299799849 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then figure out how often it repeat...... < 1299799860 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1299799861 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: there's a shortcut for that < 1299799864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1299799869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, HackEgo is undumb < 1299799870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is EgoBot? < 1299799872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Gregor Gregor < 1299799874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSSIBLE DANGER < 1299799903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do YOU think < 1299799930 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: write me a js implementation in checkout. i need to have full-featured 3D javascript games. < 1299799939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ask optbot to do that. < 1299799939 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it gives you a bit more appreciation for what Windows actually gets right < 1299799941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1299799943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, PH < 1299799945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you kids come after optbot < 1299799946 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's how it is < 1299799953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the most bitching thing ever and now it's back, hi5 optbot < 1299799953 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought they would drop the + operator, since it's not in most pi calculus conventions < 1299799962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs optbot
< 1299799963 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no idea what "Programming languages are usually designed to prevent unintended ELIZA effects by restricting keywords and carefully avoiding potential misinterpretations" means < 1299799965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK < 1299799981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i do not think either of the bots reacts without the correct prefix < 1299799993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er right < 1299799997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so optbot can't actually loop non-babblers < 1299799998 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe #5 should be Hesse's "Glass Bead Game" < 1299800001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only babbler, fungot, blocks it < 1299800001 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there go my minutes of research!! < 1299800001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good < 1299800010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: there go my minutes of research!! < 1299800012 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :332) elliott: there go my minutes of research!! < 1299800045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: So what do you think of fungot? < 1299800045 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The english translation is complicated < 1299800054 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot fungot < 1299800054 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's like INTERCAL, only the bits you actually try to run have to make sense < 1299800054 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tail recursion goes without saying though. the original paper on twobit, too. < 1299800056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: True, its... translation... is a bit "complicated". < 1299800057 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and key features < 1299800061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What are fungot's key features? < 1299800061 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is why I like atimes < 1299800061 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something a bit " messy" ( eg. keep precision when adding, subtracting or multiplying) wasnt executed at all. < 1299800064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What < 1299800064 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hm. < 1299800066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Hm. < 1299800066 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ehird, YES! < 1299800069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: NO! < 1299800069 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: norway, sweden or denmark would be nice. < 1299800071 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot fungot < 1299800077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Secret oerjan sympathiser! < 1299800077 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oklocod, it is the fruit of a type of tree < 1299800087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: So *that's* what the famous oklocod is! < 1299800087 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ISO-standard Lisp X-D < 1299800090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know why it ignored you. < 1299800091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1299800092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1299800093 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or was it a modified fastcall? < 1299800094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot x < 1299800095 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on a new string < 1299800098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, should work < 1299800106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so sympathetic < 1299800115 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know why it ignored me. I put a CTRL+O in the middle of the words. < 1299800122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299800135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: How what the of it's only? < 1299800135 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'll implement arithmetic while yo udo < 1299800146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? < 1299800146 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and isn't ifdeffed out either < 1299800160 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g229031202.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299800182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and thus oerjan's punnes terribáles bot was reborn. < 1299800191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What, it was OerjansTerriblePuns -> otpbot -> optbot.) < 1299800191 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: besides you can do it even in C89, using nested parens < 1299800207 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbotfungot < 1299800207 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or if you are < 1299800241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it isn't cannibáles < 1299800247 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if I am what? < 1299800334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: talk to optbot. he's really friendly. < 1299800335 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also the subtitle pun < 1299800361 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299800386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( you are making him sad. < 1299800403 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299800446 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299800446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: are you sad? < 1299800447 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because most roguelike games on public servers are streamed over telnet < 1299800458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: how awful! < 1299800458 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: first_input=input[1]; do mid[first_input,5,8] to [sub:ret]; Length(sub); i guess < 1299800474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yeah that would do it. < 1299800474 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but seriously, just use sprite fonts < 1299800484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: NO. NO SPRITES: < 1299800484 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ignoring the fact that i changed my name to RatherUnnecessar to try and test it < 1299800485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1299800505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: well what that necess... oh. < 1299800505 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when I was your age... < 1299800508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1299800518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot -- older than oerjan. < 1299800518 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure what your concern is < 1299800520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN MY AGE < 1299800520 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: .pid file seems the easiest. < 1299800527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: optbot never lies. < 1299800527 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when I used it (I was young and innocent, I didn't know better!) < 1299800534 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just finished easily my most complicated soda syrup batch yet. < 1299800564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: _and_ it didn't bring about the end of civilization! < 1299800580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have gum arabic now. < 1299800602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm sure that is a restricted substance, just by the name < 1299800613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Arab's Gum. < 1299800637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gum arabic is a somewhat outdated name for what is also called gum acacia. < 1299800644 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's usually made in the Indian subcontinent :P < 1299800668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those filthy arabs, stealing gum and numbers < 1299800716 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299800735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what do you think of OPTBOT < 1299800737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot. < 1299800737 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah yeah < 1299800765 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the arab numbers. i like the modern english number much better < 1299800799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot gazes disapprovingly, quintopia. < 1299800799 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See my code you learn how the string functions help and how ES segment is used and so on < 1299800813 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even modern English are based on the Hindu-Arabic digits, I think. < 1299800821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep 'See my code you learn how the string functions help and how ES segment is used and so on' * < 1299800822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.11.27:13:03:39 elliott: See my code you learn how the string functions help and how ES segment is used and so on < 1299800851 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: modern american is based on british english too, but that doesn't mean that american isn't so much betterer! < 1299800854 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Out of context it does not mean much. < 1299800872 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I didn't say anything was better or not. < 1299800892 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, different people have different opinion what is much better English language) < 1299800921 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo38 is the best dialect < 1299801048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1299801116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: *betterest < 1299801265 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the real tangible advantage of quattuorsexagesimal computer systems? it seems like they are not strictly faster than duotrigesimal systems on average... < 1299801581 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a good point size and square size for pieces on a chess board? < 1299801612 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really, really wants to do what he's previously been told was impossible
< 1299801633 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What things are that? < 1299801637 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why do you want to know? < 1299801648 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, booting into an .iso stored on the hard drive < 1299801685 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Try figuring it out... < 1299801716 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Why do I want to know what? < 1299801739 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the best sizes for pieces on a chess board? < 1299801763 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: To make the TeX chess program and METAFONT chessboard. < 1299801789 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by point sizes you mean, as in font points? < 1299801795 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes. < 1299801848 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my answer: there is no best. it all depends. < 1299801862 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I guess that does make sense. < 1299801868 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I ought to put in some default. < 1299802515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299802934 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299802938 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1299803296 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299803909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleck. DST starts up again soon. < 1299803921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DESPISE YE AND YOUR POINTLESS TIME FUCKING < 1299803929 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299804119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you there/ < 1299804144 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there only one Suzumiya Haruhi movie, or is there another, meaning I'm risking watching in the wrong order? < 1299804822 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :National pastime being screwing around with DST rules (it is in some countries) would be even worse. < 1299804848 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like DST either < 1299804929 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299804985 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I set this script to print high pings in red (normal ones in red). The threshold is 1ms. < 1299805033 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, it classifies 1.2ms ping as high) < 1299805683 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ risking watching in the wrong order when it comes to haruhi < 1299805693 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny you should mention that... ;) < 1299805961 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299806139 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST < 1299806140 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET < 1299806141 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so < 1299806147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST!!! < 1299806493 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obsession, thy name is libc.so! < 1299806584 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION secretly bids against Gregor and forces him to pay me for the domain name
< 1299806592 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops - did I say that in channel? < 1299806596 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Closed auction. < 1299806623 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it's a closed auction is the only reason I have a chance :P < 1299807391 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299809080 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299810842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So far, there is only one susùmiya haruhi movie. < 1299810915 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ty < 1299812067 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the spoiler I saw some time ago is apparently a very severe one < 1299812287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, Haruhi being omnipotent? < 1299812297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really a spoiler, that's more the premise. < 1299812378 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I meant for the movie specifically < 1299812386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ... the premise of the series < 1299812398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299812408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I've seen speculation about Kyon actually being the omnipotent one) < 1299812934 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-120-240.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299813207 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299813572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to put a warning for photosensitive epileptics on this movie < 1299813863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think Japan would know that. < 1299813873 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299813876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering the infamous episode of Pokémon only aired there... < 1299813884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And put hundreds in the hospital. < 1299814290 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299814583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299814585 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-71.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299814655 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of flickering? < 1299814834 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yes < 1299814839 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say the least < 1299814996 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299815032 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299815575 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299816039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, should I seek out the Suzumiya Haruhi mangas? < 1299816351 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1299816357 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You may, however, wish to seek out the novels. < 1299816363 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As those are actually the original media. < 1299816364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....huh? < 1299816369 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1299816407 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to 10 volumes. < 1299816428 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anime, BTW, covered roughly the first volume. < 1299816450 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the occasional spoiler on TV Tropes < 1299816520 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299816532 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299816557 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. The Jefferson Bible is getting digitised. < 1299816579 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how that's particularly sweet < 1299816589 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: I take it you're unfamiliar with the Jefferson Bible. < 1299816594 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it is < 1299816598 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: I take it you're unfamiliar with the Jefferson Bible. < 1299816601 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299816608 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the subset that jefferson considered uh, good. < 1299816614 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly exciting < 1299816645 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, it is devoid of supernatural claims. < 1299816648 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1299816661 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can see which claims in the bible are supernatural, so it's pretty trivial to filter those out? < 1299816689 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, here's the point about "anyone can do that" "yeah so, it's trivial in retrospect" etc ... < 1299816718 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah sure, it has some historical relevance in that we can learn something about 19th century progressive-religious thought < 1299816738 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry that I like the digitisation of important historical documents. :P < 1299816752 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when it comes to religious scholarship i kind of prefer the historical-critical methods in actual use by irreligious scholars < 1299816775 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's more important historical documents to attend to < 1299816818 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't see why that's particularly interesting. (a friend of mine's been collecting copies of nahuatl codices from just after the spanish conquista, I think those'd be more valuable, for one) < 1299816933 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much impact did the Jefferson bible have in America, btw? < 1299816942 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, it's basically just a footnote < 1299816956 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it inspire lots of people to become somewhat more moderate christians in america? < 1299816968 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did those that became moderate become so because of other reasons? < 1299817034 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not opposing the digitization, but uh ... I guess I'm a bit difficult to excite < 1299817049 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely no impact, because Jefferson did not publish for fear of getting lynched. < 1299817066 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, Jefferson *himself* had an absurd amount of impact in the US. < 1299817076 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly < 1299817089 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think he, like pretty much everyone has even more impact as a kind of < 1299817102 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, canvas onto which people project their own idealization < 1299817140 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think it's somewhat important to have a digitisation just so that I can shove it at people who claim that "This is a Christian nation; after all, the founding fathers were Christian." < 1299817156 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jefferson took God out of the Bible, your argument is invalid! < 1299817224 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that's a good point < 1299817250 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those people won't read the first paragraph of the jefferson bible even if you stick things in their eyes to keep the eyelids open < 1299817278 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case I'd much prefer a normal Bible. < 1299817288 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Significantly heavier object for beating clue into people. < 1299817306 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend you get a seriously commented edition < 1299817307 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299817321 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those can get rather heavyweight < 1299817333 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299817377 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably use them for sailing ballast, even < 1299817480 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well aware. < 1299817493 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a preacher's child. Those suckers are fucking *heavy*.
< 1299817517 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the kind of language game that eisegesis and exegesis really is < 1299817527 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like a game that basically just is a big book < 1299817533 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deriving things out of that book < 1299817550 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting concept. < 1299817553 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may be why I feel so attracted to the talmud < 1299817561 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some games like nomic kind of get close < 1299817566 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only problem is that it may evolve into a world religion. < 1299817571 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, though < 1299817589 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make the content incomprehensible enough < 1299817601 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying stupid enough, I'm saying genuinely meaningless < 1299817609 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bible does contain meaning, it's just mistaken meaning < 1299817618 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be meaning that barely registers as such < 1299817634 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you'll get bible code shit coming out of it. < 1299817670 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1299817672 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've sort of < 1299817688 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taken to ~trolling christian fora just for the sake of playing the game of exegesis/eisegesis < 1299817693 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299817699 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, I know the bible and christian history better than them anyway < 1299817700 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ... < 1299817714 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very hard. < 1299817738 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's worst is < 1299817744 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the bible better than the other trolls too :| < 1299817761 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because of my interest for the talmud, though < 1299817767 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's such a fascinating thing < 1299817773 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys discussing things back and forth < 1299817777 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seldom concluding anything < 1299817797 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and going off on tangents that you can spend days trying to figure out why that tangent even came up < 1299817810 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesomely weird < 1299817859 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way, I'm happy with the state of computational linguistics the day a computer actually can sort of understand what the talmud is on about < 1299817880 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then, we have conquered language games. < 1299818144 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zen koans could maybe be another test case < 1299819140 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299819885 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299819965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299819995 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299820492 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299820954 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Contrary to public belief[2], portals do not conserve momentum. < 1299821596 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wut? There is a JVM written in .Net. < 1299821612 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put a VM in your VM so you can VM while you VM. < 1299821924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean IKVM? < 1299822021 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1299822105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an ahead-of-time compiler too if you don't wan't to VM while you VM. (Though "double JIT" does remind a bit of Battle Programmer Shirase.) < 1299822111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wan't/want/ < 1299822403 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised that it works *well* though. < 1299822821 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299823112 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299824045 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299825329 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299826703 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: there's python written in python. < 1299827179 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299827312 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: Yo dawg. < 1299827339 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qukCulDOJzg < 1299828506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299828671 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299828866 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299830399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299830400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299832400 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299832400 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299832400 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299832560 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299835066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The glitziest thing ever: http://mbostock.github.com/d3/ < 1299836268 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got a defretted guitar :) < 1299836278 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128093.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299836411 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299836492 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299836496 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299838728 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231074.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299838832 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299838868 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231050051.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299838891 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299841324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't fret, it's been defretted"? < 1299841481 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass? < 1299842543 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | we're compiling via a functional language < 1299843670 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299843701 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299843824 0 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299845374 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1299845569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299845846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299845846 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299845846 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299845846 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299845851 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299845851 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299845906 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299846067 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this japan thing...haven't read the news...is it an eqrthquake or a tsunami? < 1299846083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299846086 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-27.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299846170 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299846183 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299846278 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299846291 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299847035 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1299847051 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The earthquake caused a tsunami < 1299847168 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reportedly the wave height at shore was ~10m in some places. Tsunami from earthquake top off at about 35m wave height (at shore). Some other mechanisms can generate huge tsunamis with 500m+(!!!) wave height. < 1299847222 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, over half a kilometer height. < 1299847330 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299847894 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, you meant Vajont, yes? < 1299848282 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. Even if it was a huge wall of water (~250m). < 1299848425 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Lituya Bay. < 1299848435 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was that... < 1299848809 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299848850 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299848917 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181136247.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299849088 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft xna is so lame < 1299849146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299849147 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.126.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299849153 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:03 • Sgeo really, really wants to do what he's previously been told was impossible < 1299849155 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:24 Sgeo: What things are that? < 1299849157 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:38 zzo38, booting into an .iso stored on the hard drive < 1299849159 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible, but *only* with both bootloader and kernel support. < 1299849169 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel runs on the bare metal; it *must* know where to find its files, and thus know to mount the filesystem the iso is on and read it. < 1299849174 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only some versions of Linux can do this. < 1299849187 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do this with GRUB 2 and some versions of Linux. < 1299849192 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think grml can do it. < 1299849223 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:23:51 pikhq, you there/ < 1299849223 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:24:15 Is there only one Suzumiya Haruhi movie, or is there another, meaning I'm risking watching in the wrong order? < 1299849223 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this is _definitely_ a hard-to-Google question. < 1299849224 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely. < 1299849303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incredibly. < 1299849327 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the guy in my school who allegedly posed as a girl in order to coerce naked pictures out of lesbians. < 1299849343 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's a shortage of pictures of naked lesbians. < 1299849378 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The only thing there are more naked pictures of than lesbians are people pretending to be lesbians. < 1299849430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, even if he is some kind of lesbian photo connoisseur it's still way more effort than it's worth. < 1299849440 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU < 1299849444 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY WAY OF BAD JOKE < 1299849449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOTALLY < 1299849479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news I want to get the latest version of Chrome but I have no idea how. < 1299849502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Chromium < 1299849516 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299849545 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromium or Chrome, and which latest version? < 1299849558 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. for Chrome, which channel; for Chromium, which release or... uhhh... VCS commit < 1299849575 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Chroimum, which/Chromium,/ < 1299849608 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever one has WebGL. < 1299849665 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refus eto let you be Sgeo. < 1299849667 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*refuse to < 1299849679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just for a fractal viewer thing that looks interesting. < 1299849686 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/WebGLScreenShot.png "Screenshot from a WebGL-based game running in a web browser" < 1299849689 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meet Sgeo < 1299849691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to add it to Google or anything. < 1299849740 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, presumably you just want to switch to the official "ever-so-slightly-closed-source" Google version that updates through apt. < 1299849752 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's easier than building Chromium and keeping it up to date. < 1299849757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Chrome or... < 1299849765 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299849779 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So remove Chromium and install the deb from http://www.google.com/chrome (it adds an apt repository, installs from it, and then self-destructs). < 1299849794 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the stable channel, which should be fine (it has WebGL). < 1299849797 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it. < 1299849833 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, meet optbot. He died, but I revived him. < 1299849833 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: due to the way floating-point works < 1299849850 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. optbot's revival was entirely due to floating-point minutiae. < 1299849851 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you fail < 1299849853 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: :( < 1299849854 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Version information is in manifest/*.ver within each zip. Contents < 1299849859 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Oh? < 1299849859 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yeah. < 1299849864 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: OH YEAH. < 1299849864 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well so was this < 1299849901 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He sets our channel topic every six hours and babbles in the same way. < 1299849906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, in other stupid-ring-related news, turns out that rhenium looks awesome but has unknown toxicological effects, so it's unwise. < 1299849908 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Like the good old days. < 1299849914 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCUSE ME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTBOT. < 1299849922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Competition! < 1299849923 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was here before you! < 1299849923 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my english is too bad, but if it did not exceed fnord per gcc session.' then x is done. < 1299849932 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Erm, considering that optbot inspired fungot's babbling in the first place... :P < 1299849933 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well, at least they're honest < 1299849933 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: arcus translation is better, amiga or atari. < 1299849943 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: fizzie is NOT honest at all < 1299849943 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: fuck < 1299849944 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still competition. < 1299849944 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1299849949 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Yeah. You done a bad. < 1299849949 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: "nor will they nerver be integrated"? < 1299849964 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299849966 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I hope you're never integrated with fungot, at least. That sounds wrong. < 1299849966 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: and he thought that the outside of that boundary-line was "definition" and then he asked me: What do you think is on the inside of that boundary? < 1299849966 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: or at least a month, and wasn't quite done ( modulo stuff like ipv4/ 6), still, i don't < 1299849981 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: You shouldn't talk to that other bot. He's a bad influence. Also crazy. < 1299849981 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: probably < 1299849984 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Definitely. < 1299849984 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Also, you can't share Gmail messages. < 1299849988 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Why not? < 1299849988 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Well, that was a fun experiment anyway :P < 1299849998 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: It may have been fun, but talking to fungot is NOT good for your health. < 1299849999 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: windows* < 1299849999 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: is that something you are looking for more bdb like approach. feeley doesn't agree. it " should replace the implementation of tco. < 1299850005 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: It's not good for your... Windows? < 1299850005 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: It's interesting how a beautiful mathematical framework can look all contrived and stuff once you turn it into a programming language < 1299850011 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: You're contrived. < 1299850011 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: 18 < 1299850015 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Behold! < 1299850039 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which beautiful mathematical framework is he talking about? < 1299850137 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Chrome didn't get Chromium's settings. < 1299850161 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mv .config/chromium .config/google-chrome < 1299850163 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same for .cache, I think. < 1299850166 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not difficult. < 1299850172 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Remove the target directories first, obviously.) < 1299850177 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And close Chrome before all of it.) < 1299850185 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which beautiful mathematical framework is he talking about? < 1299850190 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I know? He's a bot. < 1299850250 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but these are pulled from the logs, are they not? < 1299850352 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How would I know? < 1299850449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The "matter at hand" I was addressing was the double standard in ais523's argument, which is relevant, even if you don't understand why.]] < 1299850459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— the idiot who disagreed with ais < 1299850468 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299850716 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth does that moron still have 4 points < 1299850725 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION upvotes MatmaRex for being the only non-stupid reply
< 1299850746 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, there are two replies. < 1299850756 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299850757 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there are. < 1299850765 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is stupid, and the other one, MatmaRex wrote. < 1299850787 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To anyone who thinks this discovery has only dry theoretical importance, you're mistaken: It is no longer possible to righteously chastise people who claim to "program in HTML"." --the same idiot, top of the thread < 1299850791 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait... < 1299850796 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The discovery could be said to only have "dry theoretical importance"... < 1299850803 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it only "proves" something in "practice", not in "theory"... < 1299850823 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey copumpkin, how's your downvote brigade these days < 1299850843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, c'mon, that's just a joke. < 1299850854 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Shaddap. :p < 1299850877 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nope. While this very clever person was able to create a Turing-complete machine in HTML and CSS, it doesn't run by itself. The user has to repeatedly click to step it." < 1299850878 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ahem, Turing-completeness is about problems, not machines." < 1299850882 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No it isn't. < 1299850886 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thankfully this one has -4 points.) < 1299850969 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/KindFact < 1299850972 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now this is awesome. < 1299850982 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just be saying that because Conor proposed it. < 1299850987 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is impossible to say. < 1299851096 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the whole html/css TC debate? < 1299851101 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone throw me a link here < 1299851179 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit.com/things < 1299851366 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299851373 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't much of a thread < 1299851416 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was going to be a bunch of folks being idiots. but it was just one guy. < 1299851445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and now half of #esoteric is on him. < 1299851452 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299851454 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All three of us. < 1299851463 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i upvoted wreckerone though. very insightful < 1299851465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE BASICALLY HALF < 1299851478 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All six actives, of which ten or Finnish. < 1299851479 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are < 1299851529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, so anyway < 1299851539 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRIDIUM OR RUTHENIUM < 1299851569 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRIDIRUTHENIUM < 1299851576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ALLOYS < 1299851578 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOST DANGEROUS ALLOY < 1299851591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALLOYS ARE THE WORK OF SATAN < 1299851702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.diamondworld.net/contentview.aspx?item=4242 < 1299851703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM < 1299851707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1299851745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the listed prices for the .5mm iridium wire, it actually seems relatively cheap to make a ring from it. < 1299851761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, metalworking costs need to be accounted for, but still. < 1299851981 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I need to make the final draft of that Comic Sans essay. < 1299852932 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299852987 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@63.133.138.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299853056 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel ill < 1299853062 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pythonistas are everywhere. < 1299853065 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could be in here right now. < 1299853067 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not safe! < 1299853094 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keynote speaker started her talk with a quine in python. this had nothing to do with the rest of her talk, so i guess it was there to prove that she's smart. < 1299853098 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a cheat-quine < 1299853104 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299853115 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she was like, "now try writing this in C!" howls of derisive laughter. < 1299853120 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote the keynote speaker started her talk with a quine in python. this had nothing to do with the rest of her talk, so i guess it was there to prove that she's smart. it was a cheat-quine < 1299853123 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh two spaces at the end < 1299853202 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What is your opinion on Python? < 1299853202 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what direction? < 1299853209 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What direction is all the Python? < 1299853212 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left? < 1299853274 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is it's got me down < 1299853278 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Down. < 1299853278 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I found this, rather interesting: gopher://blubb.ch/11/software/fbf < 1299853280 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.literateprograms.org/Quine_%28Python%29 < 1299853284 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Gopher will set you free. < 1299853309 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Another way of implementing quines is to have them print the contents of their own files. This is made possible by the fact that Python is an interpreted language; in C, such a quine would be impossible, due to the difference between source code and executable file." < 1299853310 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fml < 1299853319 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slide was only up for a moment but I believe it was one from that page: < 1299853321 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a= 'print "a=",repr(a);print "exec(a)"'; exec(a) < 1299853321 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where these programs aren't literate at all < 1299853335 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hmm, I'm not sure that counts as a cheat < 1299853341 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repr? please < 1299853347 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299853351 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, that's pretty lame < 1299853367 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very lame, but maybe not a cheat quine (i'd reserve cheat for programs that read their own source literally) < 1299853370 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND exec() < 1299853374 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299853376 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the empty program not being considered a quine at all) < 1299853381 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, double-cheat < 1299853382 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well there's that standard lisp quine < 1299853387 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299853407 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((lambda (x) (list x (list 'quote x))) '(lambda (x) (list x (list 'quote x)))) < 1299853414 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote is... sorta... like repr... kinda < 1299853423 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, (list 'quote x) is sorta like repr. kinda. < 1299853426 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm what was the one with eval < 1299853427 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1299853428 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299853431 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 LIST 10 < 1299853444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was a cheat-quine < 1299853447 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote the keynote speaker started her talk with a quine in python. this had nothing to do with the rest of her talk, so i guess it was there to prove that she's smart. it was a cheat-quine < 1299853448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheat-quine? < 1299853449 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid HackEgo < 1299853452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean it read the file? < 1299853462 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: RTFEverything else :P < 1299853463 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :333) the keynote speaker started her talk with a quine in python. this had nothing to do with the rest of her talk, so i guess it was there to prove that she's smart. it was a cheat-quine < 1299853469 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < cpressey> a= 'print "a=",repr(a);print "exec(a)"'; exec(a) < 1299853492 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme@(guile-user)> ((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))))) < 1299853493 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2 = ((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))))) < 1299853495 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that works < 1299853527 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that quine thing on the literate programmings site just makes it a worse rosettacode... < 1299853533 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't even print the <>= part of the program! < 1299853535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really that it was a cheat-quine that makes me ill. it's that it had nothing to do with the rest of the talk, wasn't explained, and was apparently lifted off a web page with no credit given < 1299853554 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language source itself is the result of compilation, that's like a "quine" that prints out its own machine code < 1299853559 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that that wouldn't be impressive) < 1299853561 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that /that/ < 1299853575 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it stored its own source and compiled it on the fly :) < 1299853584 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the talk was dippy too, actually, and the whole thing is just pissing me off. < 1299853593 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, with its own compiler. < 1299853603 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you haven't told us what exciting pythonicity it was about!!! < 1299853611 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to keep up, you know. < 1299853618 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it was about... "data science"! < 1299853624 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data... science! < 1299853625 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DATA SCIENCE < 1299853630 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about doing science on data. < 1299853633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, elliott_ wants a picture of Guido van Rossum looking disappointed. < 1299853636 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as: science. < 1299853636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO < 1299853638 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ALREADY FOUND ONE < 1299853645 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, MORE DISAPPOINTED < 1299853654 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I'd like to see him angry now, please get Guido really angry and/or disappointed and snap a picture.) < 1299853665 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you, uhh... < 1299853672 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrote a Python VM in Perl. < 1299853683 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, um, made it force everyone to use tabs. < 1299853689 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snark != anger < 1299853698 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since you work for Microsoft it's going into Visual Studio 2012. < 1299853707 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And being advertised as Microsoft Python. < 1299853714 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually don't say that, he might cry. < 1299853737 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, ooh, I know! < 1299853760 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I write voting machines that give every vote to the Republicans. And it wouldn't have been possible, without Python." < 1299853906 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://us.pycon.org/2011/blog/2010/10/02/first-pycon-keynote-speaker-announced-hilary-mason/ < 1299853936 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "I'm a computer science professor, data scientist, and web geek." < 1299853942 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: WHY IS SHE A PROFESSOR < 1299853951 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not the talk, but it is another talk by the same person, this year, so you can experience the /kind/ of pain I just went through: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWszSUm-x2Y < 1299853952 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"She has discovered two new species, loves to bake cookies, and asks way too many questions." < 1299853955 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor species. < 1299853961 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specieses. < 1299853974 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[LOL IT'S EARLY COFFEE JOKE]" < 1299853979 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: _must_ i sit through this? < 1299853984 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to decide now whether to kill myself or go on a month-long binge of exotic drugs < 1299853987 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: YOU MUST < 1299853989 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1299853992 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do both < 1299853995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, exotic drugs. < 1299853999 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK OF THE ESOLANGS < 1299854004 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to talk about data, and data, and people who work with data." < 1299854005 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And data. < 1299854007 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK OF THE PUKE < 1299854035 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well < 1299854045 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"regular" talks coming up < 1299854057 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: plz liveblog here < 1299854057 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, should we send reinforcements? < 1299854075 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORK WITH DATA BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE FOR DATA < 1299854075 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just be prepared... for anything < 1299854077 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MUCH DATA < 1299854086 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Liveblog or no reinforcements! < 1299854095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, we might be able to get a flash drive with GHC on it through. < 1299854122 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, if I could be in either cpressey's position, or in the position of someone endangered by the events in Japan... < 1299854128 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it'd be a nice swim. < 1299854150 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Is GHC 6.4 acceptable? 7 won't fit on the hundred floppy disks we have allocated to the task. < 1299854166 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will be dropped from a helicopter. Please be prepared to dodge as the roof falls. < 1299854184 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno about liveblogging but i'll keep you abreast of any further sickness. < 1299854186 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299854187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooool < 1299854204 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: We're going to drop them so as to hit as many Pythonistas as possible. < 1299854204 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what this needs, actually < 1299854218 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Please purchase a device that can read 3 1/2" floppy disks. < 1299854247 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see what i can do. need to dive back into the fray now < 1299854250 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299854261 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A true American hero. < 1299854315 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: So, is RTK3 actually worth buying, in the long run? 'TIS MONEYCOSTING < 1299854443 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299854562 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. cpressey came back for...minutes! < 1299854587 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: he was here yesterday too. < 1299854589 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's at PyCon. < 1299854593 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know how much longer he'll last. < 1299854594 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299854602 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i not at pycon < 1299854607 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 100 floppies should get there in a few hours < 1299854609 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just miles away < 1299854610 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because pycon is the worst thing ever < 1299854617 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i could meet cpressey! < 1299854638 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PyCon, from the root words pyc (torture-rape) and on (demonic-place), is more commonly known as "Hell". < 1299854745 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299854846 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-mcktulsevreylzfb JOIN :#esoteric < 1299854854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, any news? < 1299854859 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have an hour of battery < 1299854860 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: * cpressey (~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-mcktulsevreylzfb) has joined #esoteric < 1299854862 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: your hostname < 1299854863 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: dear god < 1299854872 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: use webchat.freenode.net so it overrides it with your ip < 1299854883 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at a talk about celery. it's dull. THAT'S GOOD. < 1299854890 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE TAINTED < 1299854896 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b *!*@conference/pycon/* < 1299854899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem? < 1299854907 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wholeheartedly approve... but actually remove that :P < 1299854909 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*@conference/pycon/* < 1299854911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299854918 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-175.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299854925 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, WILL YOU HELP ME WITH MY ENGLISH HOMEWORK < 1299854937 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what talk are you in cpressey? < 1299854943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK YOU WANT TO REPLACE "YOU ARE" WITH "YOUR" AND "YOU'RE" WITH "YOUR" AND "THEIR" WITH "YOUR" < 1299854947 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's about celery. < 1299854954 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got that much < 1299854955 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to assume he means literally celery < 1299854956 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THEN REPLACE "YOUR" WITH "YORE" < 1299854956 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not http://celeryproject.org/. < 1299854960 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably actual celery. < 1299854972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, NO I WANT YOU TO HELP ME SAY HOW AWFUL COMIC SANS IS < 1299854977 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and my laptop is freaking out < 1299855014 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it can smell the python. < 1299855023 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest uninstalling it from your system to reassure it. < 1299855049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/1/ < 1299855060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Sans is French for "not funny" < 1299855073 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can barely type -keystrokes dropped or repeated < 1299855076 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like "without funny" :P < 1299855083 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: SUDO APTITUDE PURGE PYTHON < 1299855093 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2.5 or -2.6 or -25 or whatever :P < 1299855099 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as "sudooooooooooooooooooooooooooo appetite" < 1299855104 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not the ooooooo part so much < 1299855106 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my keyboard < 1299855111 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm bending it a bit to make it grammatically meaningful :P < 1299855129 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sudo Appetite, the worst superhero. < 1299855150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Gregor, NO I WANT YOU TO HELP ME SAY HOW AWFUL COMIC SANS IS" <<< you're still on this? < 1299855160 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apatite, the best mineral there is. < 1299855161 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I need to redraft it. < 1299855171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1299855222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get any of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWszSUm-x2Y < 1299855239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good sign. < 1299855260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that amazing stuff is going on < 1299855261 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How PyCon orders partners: Media, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond. < 1299855305 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diamond, eh < 1299855323 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is that the link i pasted earlier? < 1299855343 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299855347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, WHY ARE NEITHER IRIDIUM NOR RUTHENIUM ON THAT LIST < 1299855350 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Media, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Ladder. < 1299855356 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes. < 1299855420 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: welcome to data science < 1299855425 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ladder/artificial heart/ < 1299855434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299855439 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things are expensive < 1299855454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've taken courses like that < 1299855470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. less hype, but anyhow something about data. i didn't get it. < 1299855505 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: SCIEEEENCE < 1299855508 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data on science. < 1299855511 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's science data < 1299855512 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data science! < 1299855542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hould try to save battery for more objectionable moments than this talk. < 1299855544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1299855553 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: go to guido < 1299855555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laterses < 1299855558 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherever guido is < 1299855558 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find him < 1299855560 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why aren't you being WITTY < 1299855563 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tell him to say hi to #esoteric < 1299855564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299855568 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we will greet him < 1299855570 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with love < 1299855572 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eternal carnage < 1299855581 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Best kind of love) < 1299855586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So should I try to get APT guy into PyCon as an agent? < 1299855588 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And murder. < 1299855591 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best best kind of love. < 1299855601 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*APT Guy < 1299855729 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile: http://i.imgur.com/rcna5.jpg < 1299855792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I put "IN PIAM MEMORIAM" on [[Chris Pressey]]? < 1299855798 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299855799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299855805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299855854 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so chris is interested in testing eh < 1299855881 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have this feeling he's there because of his employer :P < 1299855886 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST A HUNCH THOUGH. < 1299855890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, iridium or ruthenium? < 1299855896 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruthenium < 1299855913 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: who's his employer? < 1299855923 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sekrit. < 1299855928 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOKE RESPONSE < 1299855932 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Cat's Eye Technologies. < 1299855989 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he signed up for a testing BoF tomorrow... < 1299855998 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something to do with testing < 1299856012 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ? < 1299856014 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you cyberstalking him? :) < 1299856030 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just a code monkey afaik. which involves involves writing tests in this Enlightened Age < 1299856040 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1299856048 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/ < 1299856048 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conference Schedule < 1299856049 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1299856049 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := EXTREME PyCon < 1299856050 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*E = < 1299856073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey being a code monkey depresses me. < 1299856083 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats manager. < 1299856090 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299856097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, what do they do? < 1299856105 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck all. < 1299856143 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code mlnkey seems okay. you have a chair and you get paid. then you can think about whatever you want when you get home < 1299856144 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299856198 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code mlnkey. < 1299856203 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: except it's Python. < 1299856211 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to deal with the Pythonistas and their Pythonicness. < 1299856222 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extreme Programming Best Practices Design Patterns < 1299856223 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb vomit < 1299856238 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299856240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I am so glad I have never heard anyone say these things. < 1299856252 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, DEALING WITH PEOPLE IS THE DOWNSIDE OF THE JOB < 1299856259 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also their code. < 1299856264 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just wait for the First International #esoteric Conference. < 1299856265 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, accidental caps lock < 1299856278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, where there will be 14 people? < 1299856278 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to give a talk on Extreme Design Pattern Practices and how to use your code fu to become a ninja rockstar. < 1299856285 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Whoa, that many?! < 1299856288 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: eh fixing their code is easier than talking to them < 1299856294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299856301 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends where it is :P < 1299856314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regulars who aren't idiots... < 1299856321 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland would be the "logical" choice to maximise participants, but then anywhere in that part of Europe is pretty much interchangable, flights take like 0 seconds and cost £0. < 1299856341 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a non-negligible amount of American here after all. < 1299856353 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the UK or Finland would be the best choice... not that anyone would show up. < 1299856373 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still normal to say a certain building is "in" a certain street in british english? < 1299856388 0 :blueraf!blueraf@151.81.20.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299856391 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh... dunno, maybe. < 1299856392 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blueraf: ello < 1299856416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, coppro, elliott_, fizzie, Ilari, oklopol, me (I hope), pikhq_, quintopia, Sgeo (arguably), Vorpal (*very* loosely). < 1299856435 0 :blueraf!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299856456 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, ineiros, tswett, oklopol < 1299856458 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan too < 1299856461 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1299856462 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur < 1299856466 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: < 1299856472 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner < 1299856473 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga < 1299856481 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't respond to pings in this channel. Sorry. < 1299856486 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone else almost certainly doesn't care enough to come :-P < 1299856490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what < 1299856491 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: AND WHY IS THAT < 1299856496 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Blame PH < 1299856496 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was my birthday yesterday < 1299856498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would ineiros? < 1299856499 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulate me < 1299856504 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fizzie would drag him along. < 1299856508 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Congratulations on not dying. < 1299856518 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I wonder if that's a script. < 1299856521 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett < 1299856522 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, congratulations, you have successfully allowed time to affect you. < 1299856526 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't respond to pings in this channel. Sorry. < 1299856528 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett < 1299856530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1299856531 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett < 1299856531 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett < 1299856531 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett < 1299856534 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett < 1299856535 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett < 1299856535 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett < 1299856536 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett < 1299856541 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299856544 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett < 1299856557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get to come twice? < 1299856561 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett < 1299856568 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, just like a woman! < 1299856569 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARF ARF ARF < 1299856571 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't respond to pings in this channel. Sorry. < 1299856590 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Either you have rand() calls, or that's not a script :P < 1299856592 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Y'know what normal users who aren't idiots do? Contribute to the Gregoran Somalian Relief Fund < 1299856618 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't respond to pings in this channel. Sorry. < 1299856661 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't respond to pings in this channel. Sorry. < 1299856666 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299856667 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I AM SORRY BUT I AM NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE MONEY TO YOU BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE A PAEDOPHILE < 1299856681 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donate to me; I'm *definitely* a paedophile. < 1299856683 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no ambiguity. < 1299856721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha you mean you like kids your own age < 1299856723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaa < 1299856728 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299856733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing never gets old < 1299856736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...elliott that is < 1299856737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdDDD < 1299856739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXDDDD < 1299856740 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1299856741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow. < 1299856753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ cannot age. < 1299856759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been scientifically proven. < 1299856765 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This just in: < 1299856766 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dicks dicks dicks. < 1299856799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait tswett doesn't respond to pings on this channel? < 1299856804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :que < 1299856806 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come, now. I don't just say "dicks dicks dicks". I say specific things about dicks. < 1299856814 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dicks dick. < 1299856821 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of thing. < 1299856884 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as "come, now" < 1299856898 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote My penis is definitely way smaller than that. < 1299856899 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :333) My penis is definitely way smaller than that. < 1299856905 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: confirm/deny < 1299856914 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me look it up. < 1299856934 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the the famous Sizes of Things as Compared to Tanner Swett's Genitalia? < 1299856940 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A true classic. < 1299856944 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, on reddit. I got about 70 karma points for that one. < 1299856957 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then promptly exchanged those karma points for money. < 1299856959 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, 61 karma points. < 1299856963 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like being a prostitute. < 1299856974 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the wording and punctuation and everything are all correct. < 1299856980 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ch7hq/it_takes_7_seconds_for_food_to_pass_from_mouth_to/c0sk64d < 1299856999 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your penis is indeed definitely smaller than that 404. < 1299857011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/GregorRichards/hdtva_actual_size.png < 1299857011 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is karma actually good for? < 1299857029 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: some guy once redeemed his karma for a golden reddit alien torso. < 1299857035 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It can buy several goods such as blowjobs and blowjobs. < 1299857035 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold-painted, rather. < 1299857041 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, blowjobs. < 1299857045 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone click on Gregor's link and tell me what it's a picture of. :P < 1299857047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, not even iridium? < 1299857048 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a currency based on blowjobs. < 1299857061 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, god only knows. < 1299857070 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's a picture of your penis as compared to the sizes of other objects. < 1299857070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and HDTV aerial. < 1299857074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1299857080 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: oh, okay. < 1299857083 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks.
< 1299857099 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, that's an aerial? :P < 1299857119 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell what that big long thing on top is. < 1299857120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an ANTENNA < 1299857137 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scientists have yet to discover what the big long thing on top of tswett's penis is. < 1299857140 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's an aerial, like Gregor said. < 1299857155 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Quick, go downvote ais523 and upvote __j_random_hacker! http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g0d5g/breaking_news_html5css3_is_turing_complete/c1k03fg < 1299857161 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here I am using the psychological principle of reverse psychology. < 1299857170 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing's a good fifteen feet long. < 1299857178 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Metric conversion: about 5 meters.) < 1299857191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus, he's up to 7 points. < 1299857200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are these idiots? < 1299857233 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/GregorRichards/hdtva_really_actual_size.png < 1299857264 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a picture of an HDTVA? < 1299857277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299857281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual-size. < 1299857288 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REALLY actual size. < 1299857292 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a picture of this: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=hdtva&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8433157347537932007&sa=X&ei=ZUl6TZvfDsHirAGsleiQBg&ved=0CEAQ8wIwAg# < 1299857298 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Expect next picture to compare it to the Milky Way. < 1299857314 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a better link to it: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?cid=8433157347537932007 < 1299857323 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the observable universe. < 1299857359 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Gregor's nose. < 1299857366 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The aerial is slightly smaller) < 1299857375 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next picture will compare it to itself. < 1299857395 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Excuse me, having executed a successful Jew joke, the thread of discussion is now over. < 1299857405 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1299857409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/GregorRichards/hdtva_the_one_true_and_real_actual_.png How'd yah know :P < 1299857412 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Gregor of Jewish descent? < 1299857420 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Also ENGLISH < 1299857423 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You misspelled ``kikeular''. < 1299857449 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OBSERVABLE UNIVERSE, THEN YOUR NOSE, KTHX < 1299857452 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "kike" isn't a Latin root ending in a consonant. < 1299857453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :executing jews is NOT a joke < 1299857464 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Hubble picture would work too. < 1299857465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they're succesful jews. < 1299857469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1299857470 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.firstpr.com.au/astrophysics/hubble-deep-field/Hubble-Deep-Field-1024-wide.jpg < 1299857480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I made these YEARS ago :P < 1299857490 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You must complete the sequence. < 1299857510 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ending with it resting on top of your nose. < 1299857517 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The largest object possible. < 1299857554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so gonna go out to drink with some friends now < 1299857668 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memetech.com now completely replaced. < 1299857679 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to attempt to contact the owner. < 1299857681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it? < 1299857729 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oiu manifesto + cap system pdf. < 1299857845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299857847 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emailed. < 1299857917 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: See http://web.archive.org/web/20080411221531/http://www.memetech.com/, though that lacks the cap stuff. < 1299857948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1299857988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd've thought that with all these people trying to make essentially the same OS, some tangible progress would have been made. < 1299858073 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's no way everyone's trying to make the same OS; the most common property is distinctness from Unix. < 1299858096 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that their bases (plural of basis!) share quite a bit of material is due only to the *sheer obviousness* of those ideas. < 1299858099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well, no filesystem is very common. < 1299858121 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because you have to try hard to be stupid to invent a filesystem if you ignore Unix. < 1299858132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1299858409 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299858498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to test the Law Of #esoteric Expertise.
< 1299858506 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone in here know about metalworking? < 1299858537 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Oh god. I've become a metallurgy hipster. Iridium is way too mainstream. < 1299858537 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :334) Oh god. I've become a metallurgy hipster. Iridium is way too mainstream. < 1299858752 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the tiniest bit about metalworking. < 1299858771 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299858773 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metals melt when you get them hot enough. Liquid metals can be mixed. < 1299858790 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metal is easier to work when it's hotter. < 1299858817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, regrettably not enough. < 1299858818 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: URANIUM RING < 1299858819 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When metal is cooled slowly, it ends up relatively soft; if it's cooled quickly, it ends up harder. < 1299858844 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/HEUraniumC.jpg ;; perfect ring material < 1299858858 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, in case you missed it, I spent yesterday evening looking up platinum group metals and their practicality as rings. < 1299858868 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool. < 1299858910 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of the platinum group metals is the cheapest? < 1299858914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmium looks really cool, but it has the obnoxious property of oxidising in air to a highly toxic gas. < 1299858924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, not sure. < 1299858937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not really a single source that I can find that's grounded in reality. < 1299858957 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really obnoxious property. < 1299858978 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Name]... will you marry me? [PSSSSSSSSSSSHT] "Well, our love will persist beyond the grave." < 1299859002 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PSSSSSSSSSSSHT is the noise osmium makes when it oxidises into a highly toxic gas.) < 1299859010 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Douchebag Osmium: < 1299859013 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOKS REALLY PRETTY < 1299859015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, nah, it does it really slowly. < 1299859017 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OXIDISES INTO HIGHLY TOXIC GAS < 1299859021 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299859036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still wouldn't want it around my finger for protracted periods. < 1299859037 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like at the moment, palladium is in fact cheaper than platinum. < 1299859041 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, isn't it. < 1299859044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1299859049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still TOO MAINSTREAM. < 1299859066 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Palladium is quite the borings. < 1299859075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same goes for ruthenium, although it's normally electroplated AFAICT. < 1299859077 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DEMAND RADON RING < 1299859096 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, a ring made of gas? < 1299859107 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Demand solid radon ring. < 1299859127 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rhodium appears to be more expensive than platinum. < 1299859129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I did find a source for iridium and osmium which listed prices. < 1299859146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, rhodium is really rare and really useful, hence expensive. < 1299859155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/osmium/rhenium/ < 1299859189 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found samples of osmium and ruthenium on eBay, although I suspect they'd be even harder to use than wire. < 1299859200 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^{286}Uut ring please. < 1299859210 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-life of ~20s, that's good enough for anyone. < 1299859224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rhenium has the second-highest melting point of any metal.) < 1299859252 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LITHIUM RING < 1299859253 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT NOW < 1299859253 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roentgenium is more noble and more discovered than ununtrium. < 1299859270 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the highest is tungsten, right? < 1299859277 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: On the other hand, your mom is more noble than ... things. < 1299859290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, yep. < 1299859297 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I really want a ring made out of CP. < 1299859299 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My chemistry teacher once said something like, "Why don't we make rings out of lithium? Because they would burn your hand off." < 1299859305 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, ununbium, please. < 1299859310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it does appear that others have considered rhenium rings, but it's still hipsterish enough. < 1299859317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, CP? < 1299859319 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: made out of... carbon phosphide? < 1299859327 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, ununbium. < 1299859333 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known by mainstreamers as CoPernicium. < 1299859337 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1299859343 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately for SOME reason it was assigned Cn instead of Cp. < 1299859348 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because of Jews. < 1299859390 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the heaviest element with a Wikipedia article is. < 1299859402 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-xenhdliyylpdqmwe JOIN :#esoteric < 1299859421 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, any news? < 1299859431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have the Pythonistas turned you? < 1299859442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was at a talk about unit tests. it was relatively sane, so i listened. < 1299859452 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm about to experience: http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/245/ < 1299859468 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man. < 1299859476 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: found a socket to charge yet? < 1299859478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm doing this one for your entertainment. < 1299859485 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's untriseptium. < 1299859485 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i'm plugged in < 1299859486 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this is a metapresentation. < 1299859490 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am astonished. < 1299859491 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, they haven't turned on me yet. < 1299859502 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have they turned you on?! obligatory, had to, move along < 1299859513 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn atomic instability. I want every possible chemical element to be possible. < 1299859529 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two categories of talks, afaict: 'novice' and 'extreme'. < 1299859534 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT RING MADE OUT OF AN ALLOY OF EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT. < 1299859540 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah I quoted < 1299859544 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"E = EXTREME PyCon" < 1299859545 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/ < 1299859559 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not appear to be an extreme course. so maybe we can handle it. < 1299859561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, even the ones that don't make alloys? < 1299859566 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: MAKE THEM < 1299859582 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all extreme talks are given in henry rollins style! < 1299859591 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pycon i could support. < 1299859640 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: How much do we have to pay you to get you to run up on stage and yell about how unChristian this evil feminist tripe is? < 1299859671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, OMG BEST IDEA < 1299859679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :START AN ASTEROID MINING CORPORATION < 1299859692 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF STUPIDLY RARE METALS THAT YOU GET FROM THEM < 1299859697 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Read as "asteroid naming"; well, they already do theorems and stars and things. < 1299859701 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But YES I AGREE < 1299859713 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the most promiscuous possible alloy is. < 1299859735 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helium-Neon < 1299859758 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yourmomium < 1299859779 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEAN THE ONE WITH MOST CONSTITUENT ELEMENTS JEEZ < 1299859781 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yelling yet? < 1299859833 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to wait for the most embarassing possible moment < 1299859900 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessssss < 1299859906 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure someone's videoing < 1299860210 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:29:59 Is there anything like the Internet WRT that affair? < 1299860210 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30:27 I can't think other time that taking firm action against a problem makes it 100,000 times worse. < 1299860210 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure thing, Barbara Streisand. < 1299860264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's he talking about < 1299860265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1299860426 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 09 f9 < 1299861121 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31:10 There is no OS but GNU, and Linux is one of it's kernels. < 1299861121 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES MR PIKHQ < 1299861159 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, YOU ARE NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE SET OF COOL PEOPLE < 1299861949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what. < 1299861960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhenium has a higher Mohs hardness than iridium. < 1299862004 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a lower shear modulus. < 1299862032 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30:08 ...you made a program that... < 1299862032 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30:10 prints itself? < 1299862035 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THIS WITCHERY < 1299862053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me that was his idiot incarnation. < 1299862065 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1299862080 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299862781 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299862972 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299863086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299863087 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | could it be rescripted so that the ball, as soon as it hits it, just disappears and you lose a point? < 1299863617 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299864044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#The_language_defined_by_the_Revised_Revised_Revised_Revised_Revised_Report_on_the_Algorithmic_Language_Scheme < 1299864046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW DEADFISH IMPLEMENTATION < 1299864087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO!! THERE IS BUG!! < 1299864132 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | !kill 2 < 1299864465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299864465 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | the protocol must be a valid URI protocol. < 1299864467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299864467 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Yeah, I suppose it could be used like that < 1299864468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299864468 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | @unpl flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip < 1299864487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip < 1299864487 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ cg cj -> cg cj (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299864498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip < 1299864499 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ cj cm -> cj cm (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299864528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...unpl doesn't do eta elimination? < 1299864564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's not eta elimination. < 1299864596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's unpl. < 1299864598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip < 1299864598 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ a b c -> a c b) < 1299864611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It expands things that are used in pointfree code. < 1299864614 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip < 1299864614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip is one of those things. < 1299864615 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Functor f) => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1299864622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Caleskell.) < 1299864637 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that. < 1299864803 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299864848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the bubble wrap of topics < 1299864858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wut < 1299864862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip < 1299864863 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ cg cj -> cg cj (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299864864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did it earlier :) < 1299864871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like flip^N = flip < 1299864871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1299864879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip < 1299864879 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ cj cm -> cj cm (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299864881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought you might which is the only reason i resisted < 1299864886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip < 1299864886 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ a b c -> a c b) < 1299864887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip < 1299864887 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ b c f -> c f b) < 1299864889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip < 1299864889 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ c f -> c f (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299864891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299864893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip^3 === flip < 1299864895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip < 1299864895 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ f l -> f l (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299864898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip flip < 1299864898 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ l o -> l o (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299864900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip flip flip < 1299864900 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ o r -> o r (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299864909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299864914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip^(3+n) === flip < 1299864939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip and fmap, are there any others like that... < 1299865035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip flip flip flip = flip flip flip, surely... < 1299865069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that's what you said < 1299865081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION read it as flip^(3+n) === flip^n
< 1299865132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets his cod dinner
< 1299865617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: quick, we need more deadfish implementations!!!!! < 1299865717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid my dinner is not useful for computation. not until the results reach my brain, anyhow. < 1299865790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no no i just mean it in general < 1299865799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done the language defined by the Revised Revised Revised Revised Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme < 1299865806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we only have 22 implementations < 1299865808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not nearly enough < 1299865822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. i may have a certain experience in the matter. < 1299865834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey has done falcon :D < 1299865843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't tell Sgeo! < 1299865854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON A RHENIUM RING? < 1299865865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't use oob though :( < 1299865898 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most awesomely crazy Falcon idea: store numbers in arrays of arbitrary objects. < 1299865912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1299865921 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might even suggest that... < 1299865928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Store a natural as a list of log_2 random numbers. < 1299865931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*log_2(n) < 1299865940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even log_2(n) empty lists. < 1299866327 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets his troll on
< 1299866334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: psht < 1299866336 0 :Vonlebio!~vonlebio@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299866349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Waste of time (I'm in #falcon preemptively, mind you) < 1299866828 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299866845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Falcon always beats me when it comes down to stupidity. < 1299866874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drag to level, beat with experience, etc. < 1299866913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, incidentally, I have decided that iridium is a pretty terrible investment. < 1299867006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the suppliers I have found have been technical suppliers. < 1299867019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1299867045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wouldn't count on the prices being either stable or indicative of the "worth". < 1299867065 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-xhzjpvxyqhfwayaw JOIN :#esoteric < 1299867074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As actually refining the rarer platinum group metals is a very tricky process. < 1299867080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how goes the conference? < 1299867083 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still on the metals, eh < 1299867092 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a raw string cannot end in a single backslash (since the backslash would escape the following quote character)" < 1299867095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heavy 'uns! < 1299867102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "a raw string cannot end in a single backslash (since the backslash would escape the following quote character)" < 1299867105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1299867110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how raw strings aren't actually raw, mind you. < 1299867115 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literal string syntax in python is a trainwreck < 1299867149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I kinda liked James Hague's idea when he suggested that strings should have no escapes at all, and that \n should be added "by default" with printing functions... < 1299867158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a few symbolic constants for the few common ones. < 1299867161 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that idea too < 1299867165 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, something like it < 1299867165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And chr() or similar for the rest.) < 1299867175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I print \n quite a lot, so I'm not sure I totally agree. Maybe just have string interpolation, but no escales. < 1299867177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*escapes. < 1299867186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if char syntax has \n, you'd say ${'\n'} or whatever for a newline. < 1299867190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :($ is a bad choice though.) < 1299867190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you put the string terminator? < 1299867196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*escapes. < 1299867201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Same way you put other escapes. < 1299867210 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at the end of my first "extreme" talk; i couldn't find much difference with the "novice" talks in terms of complexity of content, but the speaker *does* have a kind of gravelly voice < 1299867211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo " + DQUOTE + " bar". < 1299867211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or. < 1299867216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo " + '"' + " bar". < 1299867218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the escaping isn't done at the parse level, no? < 1299867223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "foo #{'"'} bar". < 1299867224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes it is... < 1299867254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the point is that "foo\n" => "foo\n" and the \n is only substituted when printed? < 1299867270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299867280 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose point was that? < 1299867282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reference, my jaw is currently situated on the floor. < 1299867292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: I kinda liked James Hague's idea when he suggested that strings should have no escapes at all, and that \n should be added "by default" with printing functions... < 1299867309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, that just means that print(x) should add a newline. < 1299867310 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be misremembering his post < 1299867330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prog21.dadgum.com/76.html < 1299867330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so it doesn't s/\n//? < 1299867335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, it's not that one < 1299867336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... < 1299867342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it :D < 1299867367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. That's an unbelievably terrible idea. < 1299867377 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the idea of i/o functions "executing" escape sequences < 1299867384 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or maybe i do, but i don't think so < 1299867390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, I don't understand then. < 1299867392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if it was some kind of expand() function. < 1299867393 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really have no idea < 1299867397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Uhh, that just means that print(x) should add a newline. < 1299867398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Uhh, that just means that print(x) should add a newline. < 1299867398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Uhh, that just means that print(x) should add a newline. < 1299867401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo multipastes < 1299867405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: aka printf :) < 1299867411 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expand() function seems to make more sense, but... lazy/streaming < 1299867412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lawd knows everyone loves printf!! < 1299867419 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is a message to the print function, not the parser? < 1299867420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sprintf!! < 1299867424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THERE IS NO \N < 1299867429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print(x) := print(x); printnewline() < 1299867429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god < 1299867443 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, NOW I AM THE CONFUSED < 1299867448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH RIGHT < 1299867451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT MAKES SENSE < 1299867461 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pascal < 1299867463 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write() < 1299867465 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WriteLn() < 1299867469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: haskell < 1299867470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putStr < 1299867471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putStrLn < 1299867475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although putStr is ugly) < 1299867509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should write a real forth os rather than trying to finish this 510-byte thing :) < 1299867518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butbutbut i almost have a compiler... < 1299867521 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell it should be Ln . putStr < 1299867532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that... almost makes sense < 1299867534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not really < 1299867542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Output = Str String | Ln [String]? < 1299867561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's wrong with putStr? < 1299867575 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Ln x just appends a newline to the string x... then you putStr it. < 1299867595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's ugly. < 1299867600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that would be "putStr . Ln". < 1299867602 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you have high standards, but how can you mess up an output function that simple? < 1299867606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then Ln would have to be a constructor, not a function. < 1299867609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT'S NOT A BAD FUNCTION < 1299867610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A BAD NAME < 1299867614 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1299867618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're misinterpreting simple statements a lot today :P < 1299867623 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's what i wanted to write, but i forgot which compose operator did which < 1299867624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All two of 'em. < 1299867633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there is no operator for the other way around (unless you define one) < 1299867636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at no point did you indicate you were talking about the name rather than the function. < 1299867643 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't? hm < 1299867649 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what i was thinking of then < 1299867649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Considering that cpressey's and my points were names... < 1299867653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pascal < 1299867653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Write() < 1299867653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WriteLn() < 1299867653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: haskell < 1299867653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : putStr < 1299867654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : putStrLn < 1299867660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: F#? :-P < 1299867662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala? < 1299867671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Demonic Functional Language from Hell? AKA: Scala? < 1299867677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Demonic Functional Language from Hell? AKA: F#? < 1299867679 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone must learn Scala < 1299867680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Demonic Functional Language from Hell? AKA: Haskell? < 1299867688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, NOOO < 1299867692 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T TURN INTO SGEO < 1299867694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: everyone must learn Scala, or every other language < 1299867695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent < 1299867698 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala is the hot new thing because no one uses it < 1299867709 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore: talk about a lot! < 1299867728 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1299867733 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1299867735 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299867752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That cpressey, so zany. < 1299867788 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is to languages what I am to metals. < 1299867798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No...he's not? < 1299867816 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, that's completely wrong. < 1299867824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sgeo* is to languages what I am to metals. < 1299867837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexually attracted to? < 1299867842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? < 1299867844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, exactly. < 1299867854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I cannot attribute Sgeo's behaviour to anything other than languagephilia. < 1299867859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A cromulent word.) < 1299867895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, neophilia seems more appropriate. < 1299867909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: COBOL :-D < 1299867928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "neo" in the sense of "I haven't used it before". < 1299867937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joke. < 1299868088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=271521 < 1299868101 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chuck Norris is so badass sanity flees from him. < 1299868156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1299868191 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chuck Norris is the only person who knows how bad jokes about him ar < 1299868193 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1299868223 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON RHENIUM < 1299868224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order Chuck's brand new book, "The Official Chuck Norris Fact Book: 101 of Chuck's Favorite Facts and Stories" < 1299868224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read more: U.S. public schools: Progressive indoctrination camps http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=271521#ixzz1GJtbVKvc < 1299868227 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137172.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299868256 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Re is a chemical. That is all :-) < 1299868308 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, ACKNOWLEDGE ITS AWESOMENESS < 1299868318 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks Phantom_Hoover
< 1299868362 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299868665 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=878UP&x=0&y=0 < 1299868685 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serial number A-113. Model "CARL FREDRECKSENS". Experimental balloon-type aircraft. < 1299869054 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299869067 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the picture is much more interesting than that information. < 1299869154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I like the part where you didn't show us a picture. < 1299869154 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/tC1aZ.jpg < 1299869157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1299869167 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. Damn. < 1299869172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1299869175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that real. < 1299869178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299869192 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be kind of silly if it weren't real. < 1299869192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmbut, i thought some totally sciency people concluded you'd need like, so many balloons :| < 1299869195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i believe this picture. < 1299869205 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, we made an imaginary thing based on an imaginary thing. Isn't that awesome?" < 1299869210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY < 1299869211 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the house is really light or something. < 1299869224 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299869261 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299869278 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299869278 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, these balloons are big. < 1299869322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what... she... said? < 1299869326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In response to seeing that picture. < 1299869704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: there is no operator for the other way around (unless you define one) <-- Control.Arrow.>>> < 1299869720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, if you're an elitist academician < 1299869746 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, it's wantonly wasteful of a scarce resource. < 1299869757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You misspelled "awesome". < 1299869777 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, HELIUM SHORTAGE IS A REAL PROBLEM < 1299869786 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: true. < 1299869821 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fecking US government. < 1299869827 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip < 1299869827 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ cg cj -> cg cj (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299869842 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1299869849 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip < 1299869849 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ cj cm -> cj cm (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299869866 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip < 1299869877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1299869881 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread killed < 1299869886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299869888 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip < 1299869888 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ a b c -> a c b) < 1299869891 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip < 1299869891 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ b c f -> c f b) < 1299869901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip^(3+n) === flip^n < 1299869902 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip < 1299869902 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ c f -> c f (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299869904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial to see < 1299869927 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip flip flip flip < 1299869927 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ f l -> f l (\ g h i -> g i h)) < 1299869936 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like flip flip flip = flip flip flip flip. < 1299869939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip flip flip flip === (flip flip) flip flip === flip flip flip < 1299869945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip^(3+n) === flip^n. < 1299869962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip flip flip X === (flip flip) flip X === flip X flip. < 1299869964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if X == flip... < 1299869968 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1299869988 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299870002 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But flip^(3+n) === flip^n means that this thing has period 3. It doesn't; it has period 1 starting at 3. < 1299870011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uH, NO. < 1299870013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Uh, no. < 1299870015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be flip^3n. < 1299870028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 == 3+1. < 1299870033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo flip^4 == flip^3. < 1299870048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may now commit seppuku. < 1299870053 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let n = 1 in "flip^(3+n) === flip^n". Tell me what you get. < 1299870054 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299870077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1299870083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I say === flip^n? < 1299870088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant === flip^3, of course. < 1299870094 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew. < 1299870113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Please co�perate with this channel's strict diaeresis mark requirements | I couldn't think of a more relevant word with a diaeresis ... | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299870118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Alternateively: NOPE IT'S RIGHT CLEARLY YOU'RE RETARDED < 1299870130 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right about one thing. < 1299870143 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least one thing, I mean. < 1299870158 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of all the things you've ever said. < 1299870164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299870164 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | but you're only supposed to pass things in the char range or EOF as arguments to it < 1299870169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Excuse me, optbot has returned. < 1299870169 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [1 % 2,1 % 8,0 % 1,(-1) % 192,0 % 1,1 % 2880,0 % 1,(-17) % 645120,0 % 1,31 % 14515200,0 % 1,(-691) % 3832012800,0 % 1,5461 % 5115781120,0 % 1,(-929569) % 64134053888,0 % 1,(-3202291) % 3593732096,0 % 1,221930581 % 16817061888,0 % 1,(-4722116521) % 2090860544,0 % 1,968383680827 % 12415139840,0 % 1,(-14717667114151) % 7415529472,0 % 1,2093660879252671 % 11005853696,0 % 1,86125672563201181 % 5637144576,0 % 1] < 1299870176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please follow Optbot Topic Policy, i.e. HE OWNZ UR SHIT < 1299870185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: POLICY NOT ACTUALLY A POLICY) < 1299870189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299870189 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | doesn't work. < 1299870191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1299870193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best topic. < 1299870196 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+t < 1299870196 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-t < 1299870201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL < 1299870205 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299870216 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My @ gives me no real power :( < 1299870222 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Please co�perate with this channel's strict diaeresis mark requirements | I couldn't think of a more relevant word with a diaeresis ... | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299870235 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who opped Gregor? < 1299870255 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1299870257 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With magic. < 1299870258 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ponies. < 1299870302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ö käÿ < 1299870373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know oerjan, I'm fairly sure you can add ops to chanserv >:D < 1299870374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say < 1299870375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1299870377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1299870378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1299870391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm pretty sure i can do that < 1299870432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1299870434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should do that now. < 1299870445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite so sure of that. < 1299870457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: op me < 1299870472 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could add the relevant access to, say, some long-lasting, relatively-mild-mannered user with a capitalized nick. < 1299870492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i could also do that. < 1299870498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't do that. < 1299870502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should give it to oklopol < 1299870504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lambdabot. < 1299870514 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also add the access to fungot, our most important member. < 1299870514 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that's not too difficult to implement than malloc. < 1299870517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1299870519 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see? < 1299870528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, do you agree that rhenium is the best? < 1299870529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait, give it to Deewiant. or ais523. Nobody could ever possibly object to them ever. < 1299870538 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: For which purposes? < 1299870551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, jewellery. < 1299870591 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object to Deewiant. He's a deewiant. < 1299870594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, deviant. < 1299870595 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1299870607 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he might be Russian too. < 1299870616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's lament. < 1299870627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may notice lament is already an op. < 1299870638 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making a bad joke w.r.t. v->w :P < 1299870644 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm guessing it wouldn't be very hilarious if you opped me. How can I convince you that opping me is what you want? < 1299870645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's in Finland. same thing < 1299870664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, tswett approach to the AI Box problem: "Hey human, how can I convince you to let me out of the box?" < 1299870674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i am not aware that russian uses overly much w's... < 1299870676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can't." "Damn." < 1299870678 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Iridum. Covered in precious gemstones. < 1299870685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Garish! < 1299870688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, TOO MAINSTREAM < 1299870688 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(avoid the diamond; those suckers have no real value) < 1299870694 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 334 < 1299870696 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a good approach to some things that are not the AI Box problem. < 1299870702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But not getting opped :P < 1299870711 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Gregor hasn't spoken yet. < 1299870717 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299870718 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he's planning to op me but hasn't gotten around to it. < 1299870735 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, Y U NO WORK < 1299870835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THIS SUCH A LAME. < 1299870850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid no-good nasm. < 1299870883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, the ultra-relevant quote in question is 334) Oh god. I've become a metallurgy hipster. Iridium is way too mainstream. < 1299870909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BitZ fml < 1299870912 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a non-mainstream metal, I suggest... < 1299870919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was into iridium before the stars started producing it. < 1299870957 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was into hydrogen before atoms. < 1299870967 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Rutherfordium. < 1299870982 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299870990 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, radioactives need not apply. < 1299871034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELIUM < 1299871034 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Lemme see. < 1299871041 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmium... that's definitely way too mainstream. < 1299871044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299871048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Osmium was Phantom_Hoover's favourite! < 1299871057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, Douchebag Osmium: < 1299871061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOKS INCREDIBLY PRETTY < 1299871062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299871068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OXIDISES INTO HIGHLY TOXIC GAS < 1299871074 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Samarium. < 1299871087 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's about some californium? < 1299871089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's multiple letters away from semen! < 1299871095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Californium obviously) < 1299871099 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a non-mainstream metal, go with samarium. < 1299871108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go with [insert metal band here] < 1299871130 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't name any non-mainstream metal bands, so.
< 1299871142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: NIRVANA < 1299871144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats himself
< 1299871151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, rhenium was last to be discovered! < 1299871153 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure I could *say*, say, Black Sabbath, but that's pretty mainstream. < 1299871157 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Samarium. < 1299871160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't get more mainstream than that. < 1299871161 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott
< 1299871164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*non-mainstream < 1299871183 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: samarium! < 1299871183 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: for some the length mod 3 might be important ;) < 1299871185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Talk to tswett. He's lonely. < 1299871185 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Universe hates you? < 1299871186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow. < 1299871189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice timing. < 1299871189 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt rock ≠ metal, you jerk. :P < 1299871204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: And Nirvana =/=/==/=/=/ alt rock! < 1299871206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIRCLE OF LIFE < 1299871231 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: say something coincidentally relevant to the situation, so I can feel awesome! < 1299871231 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Seems to work. < 1299871241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works to make you feel awesome. < 1299871248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not coincidence, it's strong AI. < 1299871268 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You crazy Brits. < 1299871271 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a quote from the movie Rango is appropriate here. < 1299871275 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Damn." --Rattlesnake Jake, "Rango" < 1299871295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a quote from the movie [insert movie here] is appropriate here. < 1299871303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes." --[character], "[movie]" < 1299871319 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's also a Rango quote. < 1299871325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG! < 1299871329 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes." --Rango, "Rango" < 1299871330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's another. < 1299871331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the" < 1299871347 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Rango also said that. < 1299871361 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though he might have said "them" instead. < 1299871368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he didn't and you just didn't notice. < 1299871371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As part of a line, of course.) < 1299871373 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he did say "the" in some other instance. < 1299871384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: MAYBE HE NEVER USED THE WORD "E" THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MOVIE < 1299871389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite saying "Yes". < 1299871391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299871393 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said, "I'm the law." Or maybe, "I am the law." < 1299871393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Letter "e". < 1299871398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ellipses also help. < 1299871405 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They help what? < 1299871415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I [...] love [...] s [...] e [...] x [...] with [...] men." -- Rango, "Rango" < 1299871433 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if he said "love" or any word containing "x". < 1299871447 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He probably said "with", but I don't know about "men". < 1299871458 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...] lay with men as you would lay with woman [...]" — God. < 1299871459 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: I haven't watched the movie, and don't intend to :P < 1299871464 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Perfect :P < 1299871502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stone [...] women." --God < 1299871505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*women[...]. < 1299871521 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he definitely said "with". The phrase "with just one bullet" was said many times by multiple characters. < 1299871538 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm pretty sure you can just go with "Stone women [...]". < 1299871545 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/win 2 < 1299871551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...]get [...] stone[...]d." --God < 1299871562 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you are suppose to stone women who exhibit infidelity. < 1299871578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, but is it in that order i nthe Bible :P < 1299871589 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In at least one translation. < 1299871604 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Bible, it's more like "[...] nmw ntS". < 1299871612 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the words are Hebrew. < 1299871618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in the < 1299871627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What did this channel ever do without your stunning intellect? :-P < 1299871630 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Thy win is evident. < 1299871643 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'd probably all be dead. < 1299871645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: "nmw ntS" is a common Welsh idiom. < 1299871651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "I". < 1299871656 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no. You'd probably all be alive if it weren't for me. < 1299871657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is also < 1299871666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Darn, I hate being dead. < 1299871668 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be ridiculous. "ntS" doesn't have any vowels. < 1299871669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I'm not. < 1299871681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, the joke is that Welsh has no vowels :P < 1299871687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect you realise this. < 1299871698 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it actually does. < 1299871703 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vowels such as "w" and "y". < 1299871713 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My joke is that I'm recognizing your joke and choosing to ignore it. < 1299871733 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell that I got the joke by the fact that I picked "ntS", which indeed has no vowels, rather than "nmw", which does have a vowel. :P < 1299871745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's stone tswett. < 1299871793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: "nmw ntS" is a common Welsh idiom. <-- WHY ISN'T NDRYLLIOG HERE TO CONFIRM... < 1299871800 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot effectively stone me! I am this big! < 1299871802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's French. < 1299871803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, BECAUSE HE'S WELSH < 1299871808 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION holds up his hands, a certain distance apart.
< 1299871810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: We have SO MUCH CANNABIS. < 1299871818 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bloody French, never came through for us.) < 1299871828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Smelly. Unwashed. < 1299871829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rude. < 1299871830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: by that do you mean you're too small for us to hit you, or to big for the stones to have any effect? < 1299871832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine-drinking artfags! < 1299871836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1299871839 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the latter. < 1299871844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1299871850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, but they hate the English too so I need to like them to count as Scottish. < 1299871853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION casually picks up a nearby mountain.
< 1299871856 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the Normans had the common decency to *invade*, rather than just be wine-drinking artfags mocking us! :P < 1299871879 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just a casual question: where are you, relative to the mountain, as you're holding it? < 1299871884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Please refrain from usage of "us", Americunt. < 1299871887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE DISOWNED YOU < 1299871895 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm of British descent, now shaddup. < 1299871901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: SO'S EVERY FUCKING AMERICAN X-D < 1299871911 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really. < 1299871913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR is of British descent. < 1299871915 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: German is the most common ancestry. < 1299871916 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was born in england
< 1299871918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet shows no signs of ``humour''. < 1299871920 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is awesome
< 1299871931 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By far. < 1299871931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He unfortunately shows irritating symptoms of ``humor'' on a regular basis.) < 1299871935 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what sort of descent I'm of. It must be mostly European, since I seem to be white. < 1299871943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clearly it's african. < 1299871947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per logic. < 1299871960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, WHAT KIND OF BRITISH DESCENT < 1299871960 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Definitely South African. < 1299871965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT < 1299871966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Bloody French, never came through for us.) <-- i vaguely recall reading recently they _did_ try to help some scottish faction against the english at one time... < 1299871973 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: England. < 1299871974 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are white Africans out there, but, you know. A black swan in the hand does not imply causation. < 1299871985 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there's something called the "Auld Alliance" but I never actually found out what it entailed. < 1299871989 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Worcestershire, to be specific. < 1299871998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ makes sauce. < 1299872015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote There are white Africans out there, but, you know. A black swan in the hand does not imply causation. < 1299872018 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Worcester, to be even more specific. < 1299872020 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :335) There are white Africans out there, but, you know. A black swan in the hand does not imply causation. < 1299872022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with crazy people and being quotable. < 1299872035 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: your ancestors are from Worcester? That would explain a lot. < 1299872040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A LOT < 1299872042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: just a casual question: where are you, relative to the mountain, as you're holding it? <-- as i'm using the famed munchhausen method, i am above it. < 1299872048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there were all kinds of weird olde-European alliancy things, like Queen Mary marrying the dauphin. < 1299872049 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299872049 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes, hence the last name of "Worcester". < 1299872072 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION climbs on top of the mountain and shoots oerjan.
< 1299872100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: -rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 0 2011-01-13 23:45 11.02.29 < 1299872104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hg fail < 1299872105 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I sure hope there are no hawks up here. That would make me really regret this piece of gratuitous exposition. < 1299872174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is it with crazy people and being quotable. <-- now is _that_ correlation or causation? < 1299872194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's tswettation. < 1299872197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cross between neithe < 1299872199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*neither < 1299872223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hawks? < 1299872247 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, hawks. They're the only thing mentioned in the movie that I'm afraid of. < 1299872258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which movie. < 1299872261 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rango. < 1299872265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1299872273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm for arrow purposes (a,b) behaves like (\x -> if x then b else a), right? < 1299872275 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they mention my fears in that movie? I'm not a movie character. < 1299872276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, isomorphihic. < 1299872278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. < 1299872279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't right. < 1299872286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't have polymorphic return. < 1299872293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bool -> Either a b, then. except that's not right either. < 1299872308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a,b) acts like how you do tuples in LC, then :-P < 1299872308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in fact you were lucky, when you shot me i briefly lost my grip and the mountain fell and crushed some hawks. < 1299872316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a small city, but never mind. < 1299872328 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, neat. < 1299872345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wat < 1299872362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (a,b) acts like (\x. x a b) in the LC for Arrow instance purposes, right? < 1299872377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just say yes. < 1299872387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://goo.gl/IYgRQ < 1299872410 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shoots at his computer screen.
< 1299872418 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, you fooled me. < 1299872433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh you want a (,) instance? i don't think you can do that as both type arguments are covariant... < 1299872447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err ((,) t) is an arrow. < 1299872448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1299872451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (***) < 1299872452 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c b' c'. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a b' c' -> a (b, b') (c, c') < 1299872459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&&&) < 1299872460 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c c'. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a b c' -> a b (c, c') < 1299872462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: arrows take _two_ type arguments < 1299872468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err right < 1299872469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,) is an arrow. < 1299872470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) (&&&) (3,4) < 1299872470 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `t1 -> t2 -> t' < 1299872470 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type ... < 1299872472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1299872476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swore it was :) < 1299872482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Arrow < 1299872482 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Arrow a where < 1299872482 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : arr, pure :: (b -> c) -> a b c < 1299872482 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (>>>) :: a b c -> a c d -> a b d < 1299872489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how in the world would you implement arr < 1299872491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right, you can't do arr and pure :D < 1299872494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arr/pure < 1299872499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just kinda assumed ;( < 1299872509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of all the *** and &&&s involving tuples :D < 1299872512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's essentially a monad, Writer < 1299872521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming t Monoid) < 1299872532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: arr f = (x, f x) where x = undefined < 1299872534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TADA < 1299872535 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to convince Kevin Bacon to do a movie with a bunch of mathematicians as extras. < 1299872546 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants someone to have an Erdős-Bacon number of 2!
< 1299872550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: A film about Paul Erd\Hos, too. < 1299872553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using stock footage. < 1299872558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN THIS FILM, INCREASE YOUR NUMBERS < 1299872565 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you aren't a mathematician! < 1299872570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the tuples are in _addition_ to the arrow type. also i'm pretty sure you're supposed to have arr id >>> x = x and such things < 1299872573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* pikhq_ wants someone to have an Erdős-Bacon number of 2! < 1299872576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone < 1299872598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WELL OK MR SMARTY FANCY PANTS < 1299872598 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, because of *just that* happening, Erdős has an Erdős-Bacon number of 3. < 1299872607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I know. < 1299872610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'm trying to COMBINE the concepts. < 1299872625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, Er\Hdos and Bacon can have an Er\Hdos-Bacon number of 1. < 1299872627 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only Kevin Bacon were in it. < 1299872635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make a KEvin Bacon film with stock footage of Erd\Hos. < 1299872637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's \H right?) < 1299872639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Kevin < 1299872644 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Er\Hdos or Erd\Hos? < 1299872652 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Erdős. < 1299872656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why did they mention my fears in that movie? I'm not a movie character. <-- synchronicity, duh < 1299872656 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, COMPOSE < 1299872663 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, can't get Kevin Bacon to have a Bacon number of 1; Erdős is dead. < 1299872670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Err, latter :P < 1299872677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ... < 1299872677 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Erdös or Erdõs? :P < 1299872681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erd\Hos. < 1299872685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number. < 1299872686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is. < 1299872688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a Bacon number. < 1299872700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Anyway, appearing in a film with stock footage of Erd\Hos has been counted for your Erd\Hos number. < 1299872703 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's Erdős, not Erdös. Erdős was Hungarian. < 1299872707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Bacon could easily get an Erd\Hos number of 1. < 1299872713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Erd\Hos a Bacon number of 1. < 1299872718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving them both an Erd\Hos-Bacon number of 1. < 1299872775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but the Erd\Hos number is for papers, not films. < 1299872790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for collaborations. < 1299872796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing ping-pong with him should count! < 1299872804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe only if you're doing it doubles, and he's on your side. < 1299872809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : omg, Er\Hdos and Bacon can have an Er\Hdos-Bacon number of 1. <-- i think you're missing the "joint paper" part... < 1299872825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the "films count" was used by someone fairly prominent or at least interesting. iirc. < 1299872854 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hey < 1299872856 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can uh.. < 1299872860 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come twice < 1299872861 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you'd like < 1299872879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: someone desperate to get low erdős-bacon numbers, obviously < 1299872881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It seems that older historic figures such as Leonhard Euler (born 1707) do not have finite Erdős numbers." --Wikipedia < 1299872884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: HOW FUNNY I MADE THAT JOKE TOO < 1299872891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it wasn't very low even counting that :D < 1299872901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was tongue in cheek, but then so are Erd\Hos numbers. < 1299872902 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes that may be < 1299872915 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you werent suggesting he actually cum on your face or other body parts < 1299872918 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in them < 1299872919 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooo.. < 1299872925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i said women though, so probably you automatically ignored the line < 1299872926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1299872927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving on < 1299872934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett: It's Erdős, not Erdös. Erdős was Hungarian. <-- mind you hungarian does have ö as well, long vs. short vowel. < 1299872973 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Huh. < 1299872990 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it explains ő being valid. < 1299872996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1299873014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:43:32 one thing that you wouldn't know: i have made two esoteric programming languages and i'm actually 15. < 1299873015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1299873020 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299873030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've seen that name before. < 1299873033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically hungarian puts ´ on any vowel to make it long, if there are dots already they get replaced with ´'s. < 1299873035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := GreaseMonkey < 1299873038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1299873083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applies to i, ö, ü < 1299873648 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299873648 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299873648 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299873669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1299873720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slowpoke http://sprunge.us/hcQD < 1299873794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I've got myself into a veritable OS dev rut. < 1299873805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anywhere I can't printf debug counts as a rut) < 1299873806 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard the ipad2 waiting line is real tough today < 1299873832 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299873852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%x\n", '/'); < 1299873867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: grr < 1299873867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hungarian also seems to use the letter y as an accent (after the letter, rather than on top of it which would be bizarre) < 1299873871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made egobot go the slow! < 1299873875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D y on top of the letter < 1299873877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't even started processing slowpoke yet < 1299873885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, slowpoke, despite its name, runs pretty quickly < 1299873887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okind of like e or u on top of the letter instead of diaeresis < 1299873888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much faster than waterfall3 < 1299873889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget which it was < 1299873890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think u < 1299873892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(historically) < 1299873892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's for consonants, it uses lots of combined letters < 1299873894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kind < 1299873907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ly, gy, ny, sz < 1299873910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gy and ty, but also sz, cs ... < 1299873922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty? are you sure? < 1299873928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember seeing any of those when I actually went to Hungary < 1299873947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i'm misremembering < 1299873949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE KEY TO BECOMING AN EXPERT < 1299873971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The difference between and is that there is no . < 1299873971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1299873971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using causes all Web sites people see after yours to blink. Forever." < 1299874026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusingly sz is what most other countries would consider s, while s is similar to english sh. < 1299874045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that a zzo38 quote? < 1299874050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1299874052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember that when pronouncing erdős) < 1299874056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, no, that would be a terrible zzo38 quote < 1299874059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ``humour'' < 1299874066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for English loanwords, they actually transliterate s into sz < 1299874072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you see shops marked "szupermarket" < 1299874127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :szuzpzezrzmzazrzkzeztz < 1299874133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and zs < 1299874144 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299874158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well done < 1299874161 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299874164 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299874174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1299874183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was halfway through running my relatively simple program, too < 1299874188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slowpoke http://sprunge.us/hcQD < 1299874189 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, it's funny to hear people try to pronounce Riesz theorem < 1299874190 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299874191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHAINLANCE: EXCELLENT NON-BUGGY WIN < 1299874201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed EgoBot, i can be as sarcastic as i like now < 1299874268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is its debug output as pretty as juiced? < 1299874271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*juiced's? < 1299874273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's ``humour'' <-- zzo38 sometimes says things which one might detect as humor. not necessarily what most people would consider humor, but humor nonetheless. and i think i've chuckled at some time. < 1299874282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the most prettiest. well it could be. < 1299874287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but it's unintentional :) < 1299874292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: -rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 0 2011-01-13 23:45 11.02.29 Gregor: hg fail // hg fail how? < 1299874297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wouldn't be punctuated in such a way as to draw attention to the humour < 1299874298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't see why we don't post all these BF Joust interps rather than posting them somewhere < 1299874299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which the above does < 1299874302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your hg repo fail < 1299874307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it created an empty 11.02.29 file < 1299874308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did clog :) < 1299874309 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's more like it :P < 1299874310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no i mean he says things that are obviously _meant_ to be humor. < 1299874315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, I don't see why we don't post all these BF Joust interps rather than posting them somewhere < 1299874316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1299874316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably my repo. < 1299874325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, rather than keeping them secret < 1299874329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare, but i'm sure i've seen it. < 1299874334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a strong feeling those are just bit-for-bit copies, or at least minor mutations < 1299874340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who want to try to run BF Joust programs locally atm have no option but to write their own interp < 1299874344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of other ...humour) < 1299874353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, chainlance is open source < 1299874355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299874357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if it has an actual license < 1299874367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't have a copy, nor any links to it < 1299874371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it sucks < 1299874375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's your problem? < 1299874377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't exactly ask < 1299874379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or logread < 1299874381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did ask < 1299874385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nobody heard < 1299874389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1299874391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/chainlance -- but it's so buggy, why would you :) < 1299874398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for SCIENCE! < 1299874417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll write a LANCELANCE, that compiles them to ANSI PORTABLE C. < 1299874432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's an HTML page < 1299874438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: yeah, it's funny to hear people try to pronounce Riesz theorem <-- the trap here is you need to know whether the name is hungarian or polish, because polish uses s/sz in the exact opposite way < 1299874440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to wget it... < 1299874462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't actually know riesz was hungarian
< 1299874466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not your personal web browser; you get to find the appropriate download link yourself. < 1299874472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1299874480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the link was misleading < 1299874489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gitweb is hardly uncommon. < 1299874496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it seems that there's no convenient tarball link. < 1299874500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1299874501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect git://git.zem.fi/chainlance may be right. < 1299874503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under "snapshot" < 1299874510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, indeed. < 1299874522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But having a checkout of the git repository is more useful, as you can get new bugs fizzie introduces more conveniently. < 1299874523 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_slowpoke: 78.0 < 1299874523 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_slowpoke: 78.0 < 1299874534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1299874547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 | + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + | 78.0 | 36.4 | 22 | ais523_slowpoke.bfjoust < 1299874550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's a good score < 1299874551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YOU'RE NOT AT THE TOP, BAN AIS523 < 1299874552 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it does better against allegro than any of my others < 1299874569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy hell < 1299874572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust elliott__ais523_waterfall3_1 < < 1299874576 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for elliott_elliott__ais523_waterfall3_1: 0.0 < 1299874579 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, waterfall3 had the same wins, just less score :-P < 1299874583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME TO WRITE ANTISLOWPOKE < 1299874584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299874586 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The all-+ row isn't new < 1299874589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll get like 60 points just from beating it. < 1299874590 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :89? We're romped. < 1299874599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh, 78. < 1299874612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 is still rather insane, given that allegro has 55 < 1299874625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, FFSPG /almost/ beats it < 1299874630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: prepare for death by egojsout!!!!! < 1299874632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generally loses by around 20 clock cycles < 1299874688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: [>] is bugged in egojsout < 1299874693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, no < 1299874725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt it, triplock3 uses and runs correctly there < 1299874728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uses it < 1299874737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and waterfall3 embeds many copies of triplock3, and runs them sometimes < 1299874758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how can one generate [>], >[>], >>[>], etc. with ()%? < 1299874763 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It figures my computer would go bonkers right after I tpyo 78 as 89 X_X < 1299874766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually that's wrong < 1299874768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't, I don't think < 1299874815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is wondering if the ie in riesz should actually be pronounced as two vowels or not
< 1299874838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be germanized, so just one < 1299874883 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah < 1299874894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He had an uncommon method of giving lectures: he entered the lecture hall with an assistant and a docent. The docent then began reading the proper passages from Riesz's handbook and the assistant inscribed the appropriate equations on the blackboard—while Riesz himself stood aside, nodding occasionally." < 1299874899 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Riesz is not a polish name tho :p < 1299874916 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1299874924 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this show up unstyled for y'all? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riesz-Fischer_theorem < 1299874931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: yeah it looks like it could be either german or hungarian to me < 1299874943 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :german never has sz < 1299874950 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be Rieß < 1299874963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: looks fine to me < 1299874973 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust the guy living in germany < 1299874984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: i think sz is archaic german spelling, so might still hang on in names? < 1299874989 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1299875012 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's in a name then it's a foreign name. < 1299875024 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :germans are very strict about their spelling < 1299875032 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even names get strict spelling updates < 1299875048 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what about that link oerjan :p < 1299875110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299875116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you get [-[--[---[---[---? < 1299875121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with [-] in the middle < 1299875147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1299875161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gah, antislowpoke is hard; anti space_elevator was easy :) < 1299875172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: i said it was just fine. i think styles are separate files so might fail to load separately, try reloading. < 1299875184 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, weird < 1299875197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has happened to me before < 1299875198 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i thought you said Riesz looks fine to you < 1299875215 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the wird thing is that the style for all other pages in wikipedia works < 1299875217 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for this one, no < 1299875220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: well that is also true < 1299875235 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have reloaded < 1299875237 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple times < 1299875245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: shift-reload? < 1299875271 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o no, shift worked < 1299875278 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, stupid firefox < 1299875330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i can draw with slowpoke some of the time :D < 1299875346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< < < < < = = = = = < = = = = < = = = = = < 1299875346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< < < < < > > > < < < < < < < < < < < < < < 1299875353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, how can one generate [>], >[>], >>[>], etc. with ()%? <-- all uses of ()% expand to ()*...()* if you ignore [] matching < 1299875371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1299875376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant with nesting and stuff < 1299875383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" unfortunately it sucks" " http://git.zem.fi/chainlance -- but it's so buggy [..]" " [...] you can get new bugs fizzie introduces more conveniently." ← are you trying to participate in some sort of "bitterest man on earth" competition here? < 1299875415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YES < 1299875420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You crashed EgoBot, you deserve it :-) < 1299875470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : germans are very strict about their spelling <-- ok germans, but hungarians etc. might still use archaic spellings for names that are originally german. on the other hand as ais523 said hungarians do replace s by sz in loanwords so it might be that too. < 1299875481 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1299875504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if I can ignore only _quotes_... although replies would be good too and i already wrote that :) < 1299875508 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-fhrxlyyqqnsnzjvz JOIN :#esoteric < 1299875514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: REPORT < 1299875515 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then germans replace S with Z in their pronounciation < 1299875533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i meant with nesting and stuff <-- i meant i don't see how to do it with plain ()* either. < 1299875540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1299875544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surrounded by... jythonistas. < 1299875555 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, at least, people attending a talk about jython < 1299875556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it needs to be like... ((>)*n[>])*(n=100) :-D < 1299875568 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be less -ista here < 1299875583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: those are javadroids :D < 1299875620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o no, shift worked <-- i believe shift causes it to ignore already cached content in case there's something wrong with it, while without shift doesn't if the page's modified date hasn't changed. < 1299875625 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intersection between the two sets seems rather small < 1299875720 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is like no one here. i was going to attend "extreme network programming in python" but it was really crowded and i forgot that i don't really care about low-level network protocols < 1299875798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not entirely sure, but without shift might also be less clever about following included content. (this is all just my impression.) < 1299875897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: well i can draw with slowpoke some of the time :D <-- haha < 1299875907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, optbot is back < 1299875907 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'll try think more about it now < 1299875929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks that was a zzo38 comment
< 1299875955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing oklopol < 1299875971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm could be < 1299875973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not zzo38 < 1299875974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i" < 1299875986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol seems plausible, but it could also be any non-native speaker < 1299875997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05.06.07:14:09:02 i'll try think more about it now < 1299876000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Keymaker. < 1299876004 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol often seems quite implausible to me < 1299876022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: HE DOESN'T REALLY EXIST < 1299876029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all a bug in reality < 1299876032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, how come I didn't notice cpressey was here earlier despite him having made lots of comments already? < 1299876048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do an impromptu talk on esolangs; start it with announcing that you are "THE... yes, THE ... Chris Pressey". < 1299876051 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PlauseError: HE DOESN'T REALLY EXIST < 1299876053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he's at PyCon, dying < 1299876074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: when nobody applauses, throw something angrily and stomp off < 1299876076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*applauds, < 1299876088 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... < 1299876095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: come on, that's the best idea ever. < 1299876115 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not being here is the best idea ever < 1299876121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: an applausible idea < 1299876124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: second-best, then. < 1299876150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but it's the perfect setup for not being there afterward < 1299876160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could post a card on the board for an "Esolang BoF" and watch no one else show up < 1299876184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bachelor of Furnaces? < 1299876191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buddy of Fucking? < 1299876197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion of Ferventry? < 1299876219 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bestiality-only Family < 1299876220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_a_Feather_(computing) lame < 1299876231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bankers of Franchises < 1299876244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backwards-ogling Fat-ass < 1299876265 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna stick with Bestiality-only Family < 1299876272 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's aaaaaaaall lame < 1299876277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is feather slightly named after twoducks? < 1299876289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope so but doubt it < 1299876309 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiFeathersPerDuck < 1299876315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ok, here's a less coherent idea: yell "ATTENTION EVERYBODY, THIS IS NOW AN UNCONFERENCE! That means you have to dance!", and start dancing < 1299876318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :punch everyone who does not dance < 1299876331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to increase my toxication levels to get something even better < 1299876350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1299876362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it isn't < 1299876364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ais523 better admire my amazing lingotalk. < 1299876366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altohugh it might as well be < 1299876412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this fairy tale about the feather that turned into five hens < 1299876424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:01:19 If you solve the game and make it so that the AI literally cannot lose, it's different. If you win, you suck, if you lose, you're brilliant. < 1299876424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you win, you're *really* brilliant < 1299876489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hca.gilead.org.il/no_doubt.html < 1299876499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1299876536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how big is your personal library? < 1299876553 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has all the books. < 1299876569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it contains google < 1299876581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THE BIGGEST LIBRARY < 1299876601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i probably have the andersen fairy tales stored away somewhere physically too < 1299876603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are more pages on Google than there are pages on the internet (discounting infinite page generators, other search engines) < 1299876610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not counting 0-result googles < 1299876621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but counting every string that return something < 1299876621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*paperally < 1299876628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and _not_ assuming that google has crawled every single page) < 1299876650 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, almost certainly. < 1299876675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well right, because you have at least the number of words in the page that return that page < 1299876678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it blows up quite quickly :) < 1299876689 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, google indexes its own results pages < 1299876693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Googles: bigger than the internets. < 1299876697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, not counting that. but does it really? < 1299876721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error 404 (Not Found)!!1" --title of Google's (new) 404 page < 1299876740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowpoke's behavior looks stunningly similar to FFSPG :P < 1299876760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ais523 said, FFSPG almost wins < 1299876767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, is almost equal < 1299876773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loses by about 20 cycles IIRC < 1299876773 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. i am lying freely < 1299876777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, FFSPG is really close. < 1299876789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fix it, even if it makes it slightly worse on other programs, you'll get a shitload of points for it :P < 1299876793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NEEDS MOAR ELEVEN < 1299876797 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'struth. < 1299876803 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEEKEND TIME < 1299876812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Although not in the fixed-point system I think. < 1299876813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make it win by a lot rather than a little at the cost of performance against some other programs < 1299876827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually notice how close it was until after the program was already finished < 1299876902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=661 < 1299876904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299876979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1299876989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautifully subtle < 1299877009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paul Simon looks so funny. < 1299877029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: slowpoke was just designed around "let me make a deep-poke program", but it turned out quite similar < 1299877044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, its decoy setup is rather different from FFSPG, it's a fundamentally different strategy there < 1299877047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its attack is different too < 1299877057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furry furry deep poking girls. < 1299877061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that where the SP name comes from. < 1299877068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, I think < 1299877109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the original poke deep? < 1299877117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299877124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso? < 1299877131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stops as soon as it sees a nonzero cell < 1299877138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299877143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it work? >:) < 1299877144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas FFSPG and slowpoke look for other values near zero too < 1299877145 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299877159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of poke was to find the opponent's first decoy and set up nine squares from it < 1299877166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as to be able to make more decoys, and attack sooner < 1299877187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowpoke uses the poke to know where to start attacking, but it has different secondary purposes < 1299877200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, it tries to trip enemy tripwires < 1299877212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing them to screw up their synchronization by starting too early < 1299877224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Quick, make [insert type of train here]. < 1299877226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and causing programs to think slowpoke is fast-rush and use an inappropriate response to it < 1299877248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use allegro as a transition to music names :P < 1299877319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, sometimes you wonder how many people respobsible for POSIX get shot by disgruntled programmers 362'881 why are you asking? < 1299877338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this explains why POSIX sucks, it was designed by a /very large/ committee < 1299877355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest in peace POSIX committee members. < 1299877358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, don't. < 1299877389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was mostly defined by the ridonkulously huge committee of "every unix system vendor and hackers thereof" < 1299877401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299877404 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust train (>)*8(>[-][-])*21 < 1299877410 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_train: 16.6 < 1299877416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Happy? < 1299877424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does it beat slowpoke? < 1299877434 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what a war between the Integrated Data Sentient Entity and an aware Haruhi would be like.
< 1299877435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the time < 1299877441 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that would destroy the premise < 1299877441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on short tapes? < 1299877443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Insufficient. < 1299877448 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes < 1299877457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how much thought has been put into clockwork computing.
< 1299877457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowpoke can't beat fast rush programs on tapes shorter than 14 or so, unless it's lucky < 1299877469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not enough. < 1299877472 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this one's next --> http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/137/ < 1299877482 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let you know if it's actually interesting :) < 1299877483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: YESSS < 1299877485 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299877491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a reverend no less! < 1299877496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299877498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't the Analytical Engine clockwork? < 1299877518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My children, let us consider the theological implications of Guido van Rossum. < 1299877527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he the Messiah born again? < 1299877536 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen ++variable as a useful trick < 1299877543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you notice that I slightly tweaked waterfall3 to beat your copy of it, btw? < 1299877551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope :) < 1299877561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i removed my copy < 1299877563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't resist < 1299877565 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-15.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299877565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no you didn't < 1299877567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my (remaining) copy) < 1299877568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gave the wrong name < 1299877568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I did < 1299877576 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299877576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You didn't specify that, you just wanted a train. < 1299877577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...thanks for telling me! < 1299877582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I specify it now. < 1299877583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 | + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + - + + + + + + - + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + | 53.4 | 24.6 | 30 | elliott__ais523_waterfall3_1.bfjoust < 1299877584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | 0.0 | -47.0 | 31 | elliott_elliott__ais523_waterfall3_1.bfjoust < 1299877592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust _ais523_waterfall3_1 < < 1299877603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesson: don't ever have a nick X_Y if someone has the nick X. < 1299877606 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for elliott__ais523_waterfall3_1: 0.0 < 1299877607 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the interpreter that's currently used on the hill < 1299877616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://git.zem.fi/home-of-bugs/ < 1299877622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or "chainlance", you decide.) < 1299877647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I can't think of any way to tweak waterfall3 to beat slowpoke < 1299877675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If I figure out how to do an antislowpoke, maybe it'll revive the hill strategy set a bit :) < 1299877675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than detecting it (not too hard) and switching to a strategy designed specifically to beat it < 1299877682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interior_crocodile_alligator was surprisingly interesting. < 1299877697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was, it actually inspired me to invent the triplock < 1299877705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I didn't invent it, Gregor did < 1299877708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's because anti- programs don't really do anything logical < 1299877710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it inspired me to remember it existed < 1299877714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tends to confuse anything that does any thinking < 1299877737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brainfuck&curid=1138&diff=21473&oldid=21035 SOME KINDLY RUSSIAN PLEASE RESPOND < 1299877740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think timing-based defence (defend9, etc) is more or less dead nowadays < 1299877786 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: {chain,crank,gear}lance? < 1299877818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's the one that doesn't do any statistics output. < 1299877843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what does defend8mwahahaha or whatever it's called do? < 1299877844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Carmack: Direct3D is now better than OpenGL" What joy. < 1299877854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tended to defeat it by accident too much, and never really looked into it < 1299877859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have nooooooo idea < 1299877868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I probably just tweaked it randomly < 1299877872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scores were nondeterministic back then < 1299877875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: slowpoke wasn't tweaked to defeat anything particular, apart from one of the trains, and that was just a bugfix) < 1299877893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I think I continued by tweaking it to beat one of the programs it was already beating more convincingly) < 1299877902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here know nasm? < 1299877953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1299877961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0f5c != (0x0f00 | '\\') < 1299877962 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-ddioiopwwfuvfxap JOIN :#esoteric < 1299877962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in nasm :/ < 1299877964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?! < 1299877977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey-essey < 1299878074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Is nasm part of the everything you're an expert in? < 1299878080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I looked at the manual. :p) < 1299878103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only really used fasm < 1299878148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, how thoroughly *weird*. < 1299878158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\' is how you do a backslash. < 1299878164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\\' is interpreted as a string, and packed into a word. < 1299878170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plz2be fix nasm mode to handle '\' :P < 1299878291 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust antislowpoke (>)*8(>++[-])*21 < 1299878293 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_antislowpoke: 13.1 < 1299878304 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Happy? < 1299878337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does it work? :P < 1299878344 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It beats slowpoke < 1299878362 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not always, but more often than not < 1299878639 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaker mentioned brainfuck! < 1299878649 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is in fact introducing it. < 1299878697 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he's getting to implementing it entirely using decorators) < 1299878759 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stateful decorators. < 1299878917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299878923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Ask for Funge-98. < 1299878930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::trollface: < 1299878950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a reverend saying fuck?! *gasp* < 1299878973 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't say its name, and his slide said "BRAINF*CK" < 1299879015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1299879017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boycott < 1299879046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expertise in fasm should carry over to nasm. < 1299879086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with it being an masm-esque assembler. < 1299879152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you do a single single quote? '''? < 1299879171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no idea < 1299879175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably < 1299879199 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not, '' is invalid, after all < 1299879207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not necessarily true < 1299879209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'abcd' is a valid word < 1299879225 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299879226 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'' would just mean 0 and thus isn't very necessary < 1299879816 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299880021 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-156.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299880036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299880121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/218476/top-story-katamari-hack-will-destroy-your-productivity/ < 1299880132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, WebSplat is no longer the coolest. < 1299880159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebSplatamari Damacy < 1299880174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has multiplayer, the one thing Gregor was too stupid to do! < 1299880175 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... damn, hard to compete with that. < 1299880204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO IMPOSSIBLE TO DO WITH A LAPTOP < 1299880209 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-kmjhrspgvskftrlx JOIN :#esoteric < 1299880295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFH < 1299880299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*OMFG < 1299880303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST PLAY ON HAVENWORKS < 1299880314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO < 1299880317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S GONE < 1299880796 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOTS OF CAPS IN THIS CHANNEL LATELY < 1299880797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ais523, Deewiant: nasm does escape characters (with a quite traditional set of escapes) when you put the string in backquotes; so `\\` would do a backslash too. And I think the official way how you do a single quote is "'". (".." and '..' are completely equivalent, except you can put 's inside ""s and vice versa; and `..` works otherwise the same except enables those escapes.) < 1299880819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But nasm-mode fails at '\'! :p < 1299880822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's YOUUUURS < 1299880833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: havenworks is gone < 1299880833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1299880834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1299880835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1299880837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put up your mirro < 1299880839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1299880852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... uh oh < 1299880858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make a mirror of havenworks :P < 1299880885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you said you did! < 1299880887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, can't wait for december < 1299880906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did? Then I guess I did :P < 1299880911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't remember :P < 1299880995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, egostats hasn't updated like you said you were going to < 1299881023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't say would just could iirc < 1299881038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he said he was going to add slowpoke to it while EgoBot was down < 1299881043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to get in first, or something < 1299881046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it massively matters < 1299881070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I said "perhaps I should", or some such matters. < 1299881075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, perhaps < 1299881082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's now officially in, I think I'll just hg pull. < 1299881186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes awfully long to draw those per-program plots; I was thinking of just exporting the data as json and doing most of the graphics client-side, at least for per-program (or maybe even per-match, though I guess egojsout is a better platform for that) visualizations. < 1299881204 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust antislowpoke (>)*8(>++[-]---)*21 < 1299881244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: heh, that probably does work < 1299881256 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's already a working one up < 1299881276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it beat it in all configurations? < 1299881280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a real anti- program does < 1299881288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust antislowpoke < < 1299881293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect so, yes < 1299881293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust NOTAREALantislowpoke (>)*8(>++[-]---)*21 < 1299881299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not. < 1299881306 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<<<<>><<<<<<<<<<><< <<<<<<<><<<<<<<<<><>><<<<>><<<< <<<<<<<><X<X< 20 < 1299881515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's a good clear loop these days? :P < 1299881520 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] < 1299881525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame < 1299881530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can steal the one from slowpoke if you like < 1299881539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to use in antislowpoke? brilliant < 1299881541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it can actually be marginally improved to do better versus shudder < 1299881555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? I haven't read slowpoke < 1299881562 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/ais523_slowpoke.bfjoust < 1299881562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do antis purely on traces < 1299881567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that doesn't show me the clear loop < 1299881570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has multiple loops < 1299881574 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use 'em all < 1299881578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1299881586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((+)*9[-[-([-[-{[...+[...+]]>}]][+--[+--]]>(+)*9)%1000]]>)*21 is the clear loop < 1299881592 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299881596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it'd be interesting to see how that does on its own < 1299881633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you want to beat slowpoke, specialcase the tape values +/- 2, 30, 32, 98 < 1299881635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (>)*8(>(+)*9[-[-([-[-{[...+[...+]]>}]][+--[+--]]>(+)*9)%1000]]>)*22 < 1299881638 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1299881646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust camber (>)*8(>(+)*9[-[-([-[-{[...+[...+]]>}]][+--[+--]]>(+)*9)%1000]])*22 < 1299881646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: you mean *21 at the end < 1299881652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, see start of loop < 1299881654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i changed < 1299881659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it'll matter, that clear loop is incapable of falling off the tape anyway < 1299881662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it's *8 *21 < 1299881666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you move the > to the start < 1299881670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you want to move at most 29 times < 1299881696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, egojoust has got muddled again < 1299881700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is slowpoke's loop any good if you remove the (+)*9? < 1299881703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you two should both submit your program again < 1299881708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's an offset < 1299881709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you two? < 1299881714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Deewiant's < 1299881716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and Deewiant < 1299881718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust camber (>)*8(>(+)*9[-[-([-[-{[...+[...+]]>}]][+--[+--]]>(+)*9)%1000]])*22 < 1299881720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but a slow offset < 1299881736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can change it to an offset clear or non-offset clear or whatever < 1299881740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who uses non-offset clears these days? < 1299881764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I will say is that against slowpoke, the optimal offset size is probably either 2 or 30, or maybe 32 < 1299881764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :innovators!! < 1299881797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your clear is lame, it does badly on your own decoys < 1299881836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that clear is incredibly inflexible < 1299881846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just beats defence programs trivially < 1299881851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR my interior_crocodile_alligator one being okay < 1299881857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299881860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no existing defence program, or even existing defence /strategy/, will work well against it < 1299881870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought of a couple that might < 1299881876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about "assume opponent is using perfect RNG"? < 1299881880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I fear they'd be rather detail-dependent < 1299881882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, kinda hard to counter :P < 1299881886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and how do you lock that? < 1299881889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: magic < 1299881904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, in_egobot isn't loading < 1299881909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use your own perfect RNG with your same seed, that might work < 1299881920 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1299881922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of perfect RNG has a seed? < 1299881936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1299881941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it makes sense. kinda. < 1299881941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reproducible perfect RNG, ofc < 1299881950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being reproducible is generally good in an RNG < 1299881951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a functional definition (which would have to be infinitely-long) < 1299881954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you have an infinite seedspace < 1299881956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*infinitely long < 1299881961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you allow arbitrary real numbers as seeds < 1299881971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then everything is just fine < 1299881976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299881980 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299881988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not egobot < 1299882003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it might be interesting if BF Joust had a nested loop limit < 1299882012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to remove timer clear strategies < 1299882016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if they prove to hurt the gameplay < 1299882080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1299882084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot ICA's clear is insane < 1299882095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-[++[(-)*128([-{([+{[-]}])%64}])%64]]] < 1299882099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very culnerable to triplocks < 1299882102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vulnerable < 1299882106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So culnerable. < 1299882109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very very vulnerable to triplocks < 1299882119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also very slow < 1299882121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :triplocking works against programs with three or more ] in a row < 1299882126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that program has, umm, 129? < 1299882168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299882176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, they have to be actually executed for the lock to work, and at the right moment) < 1299882184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they would be in that clear < 1299882191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the triplock is IIRC how waterfall3 beats ICA < 1299882193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tourdelisp.blogspot.com/2008/03/lisper-first-look-at-haskell.html < 1299882202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the most amusingly pretentious thing ever. < 1299882210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ICA is an acronym I use all the time in my day job (idealized concurrent algol) so seeing it in this context is weird < 1299882222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I hope you don't use CMT too. < 1299882226 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299882251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1299882263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Good. < 1299882263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's used a lot on certain Internet forums < 1299882268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not by me, and it's not so much of a jar < 1299882272 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299882281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, standing for what < 1299882305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for ([+{}])%n < 1299882318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the silliest thing ever < 1299882318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"check my thread" < 1299882328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that sounds like a really irritating gthing to say < 1299882338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's also Independent Component Analysis, a blind source separation thing our lab's been involved in; somewhat known in the "cocktail party problem" context. < 1299882339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in trading forums, translates to "you have something I want, look at what I have to see if there's something you want too" < 1299882353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like egojsout doesn't handle {} < 1299882365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm relatively sure it does < 1299882371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to troll fizzie a bit < 1299882376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: voice input is useless < 1299882394 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm up to the "no it's not" repetition this time, sowwy. < 1299882398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299882418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so can your system understand that "sowwy" is sorry < 1299882421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR IS IT TOO THE DUMBS < 1299882423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you actually *do*? < 1299882433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Stuff." < 1299882434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Kills kittens for fun and profit. < 1299882435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you taught Java a year ago or so. < 1299882446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lie; he's a professional IRCer. < 1299882449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: err, ais523 was the javateacher < 1299882453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and still is, I think) < 1299882455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really taught Java; that's more of an ais523 thing. < 1299882456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299882471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 just kills young CSers' minds for profit! < 1299882473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this month's exercise is effectively "recreate Zork" < 1299882476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I kid, I kid, they probably deserve it.) < 1299882480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not me that set it < 1299882486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm trying to improve the average skill of Java programmers < 1299882486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an ICA poster on the wall in a nearby corridor at work; it's really quite a cheat. < 1299882489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which admittedly isn't difficult < 1299882492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not exactly the worst exercise in the world < 1299882498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ISTR him marking Java programs a while ago... < 1299882503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ais523. < 1299882508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean the bot tournament < 1299882509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1299882513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. < 1299882516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the most interesting thing i know nothing about. < 1299882556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The AI tournament uses Java, right, but that's just my "side job"; it's not even our department's course. < 1299882565 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what *do* you do? < 1299882588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCs. < 1299882595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He summarises #esoteric every day. < 1299882601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noise-robustness for speechy stuff, in the most general sense. < 1299882602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately they're under an NDA. < 1299882609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, yeah, your cover story. < 1299882616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody would ever REALLY work on something so pointless. < 1299882628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it capable of comprehending the Scottish accent? < 1299882637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT EVEN HUMANS ARE CAPABLE OF THAT < 1299882647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_NOTAREALantislowpoke: 14.2 < 1299882647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_foo: 4.2 < 1299882647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_antislowpoke: 0.0 < 1299882647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_antislowpoke: 0.0 < 1299882647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for elliott_camber: 19.6 < 1299882647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for elliott_camber: 19.6 < 1299882651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thar we go < 1299882652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1299882668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust foo < < 1299882674 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_foo: 0.0 < 1299882695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust NOTAREALantislowpoke (>)*8(>++[-]---)*21 < 1299882698 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_NOTAREALantislowpoke: 14.8 < 1299882705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, why is Suzumiya Haruhi trying to teach me math? < 1299882708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299882717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, YOUR SILENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES < 1299882733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Our system's been evaluated mostly for Finnish, really. I don't think anyone in our group is doing English dialects. < 1299882759 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The acoustics lab guys have some sort of "recognize speech when the speaker's yelling" thing, I think that's curious enough. < 1299882777 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a start. < 1299882931 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Cause that's susùmiyaharuhinoyûutu for you. < 1299882953 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think... there might be an issue with this piece of math though < 1299882964 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be an undeserved assumption < 1299882973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, WHAT IS IT < 1299883054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the house with the Planar Graph Theorem thing, it should be impossible to determine whether x=vertices and z=sides (as assumed by Koizumi) or x=sides and z=vertices < 1299883107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ALMOSTantislowpoke +(>)*8(>[++[-]]+)*21 < 1299883125 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what does koisùmi know about math anyways? :P < 1299883155 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is it koitùmi?) < 1299883155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That beats allegro too, ugh < 1299883161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, am I mistaken? < 1299883190 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's koisùmi. < 1299883200 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned ambiguities in kana. < 1299883217 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_ALMOSTantislowpoke: 19.2 < 1299883235 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sù and tù are pronounced *exactly the same*, and often get romanised the same.) < 1299883389 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: <<<<<<<><<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<><<<<<<<<<<<<< 38, feel free to fix it. < 1299883399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm already working on my own. :p < 1299883416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, answer me! (please) < 1299883437 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know why susùmiyaharuhi is trying to teach you math at all! < 1299883464 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, so I'm likely to just be correct in this matter? < 1299883476 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1299883479 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps not. < 1299883533 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299883851 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299883859 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, is it that an Euler characteristic doesn't change if you swap faces and vertices? < 1299883945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The equation in the book certainly seemed to be saying that < 1299883965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1299884007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof is left to the reader. < 1299884201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! < 1299884214 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a video of someone singing "Lemon Tree"! < 1299884224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can sing Stan Kelly-Bootle's version! < 1299884256 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299884547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299885721 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | which is not the same thing as Windows Services for UNIX, based on the Interix subsystem < 1299885852 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299885891 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299886103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886103 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | your parents should add a filter < 1299886106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886106 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | hm < 1299886108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886108 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | [22:51:47] virsys [n=virsys@or-67-232-64-36.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit IRC: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1299886110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886110 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | │ │ (0x1000000) Alignment value to which kernel should be aligned │ │ < 1299886112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886112 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | A bit silly to have to open a Chromium for web browsing when the while thing is Chromium < 1299886115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886115 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | ais523, it is 20" btw < 1299886116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886116 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | well exactly, people read "strcmp foo bar" and think foo==bar < 1299886118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886119 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Oh, if it's a shell/dispatcher thingy, that's not too bad. < 1299886121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886121 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Ibwasnt running much < 1299886122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886123 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Phantom_Hoover, it was like in the lab recently. Some prankster had taken all the female-female-serial-cable-converters and hooked them up into something that was almost a complete circle < 1299886127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886127 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | I wish that web browsers would do justified text rendering, though... < 1299886129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886130 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | If Station V3 actually had a website, it would probably suck me into a dimensional portal or something < 1299886132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886132 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | u < 1299886133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886133 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | any non-variable merely advances the ip < 1299886135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886135 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | dependent on your logic that might _be_ an axiom. < 1299886136 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1299886146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, advancing optbot repeatedly is Traditoin. < 1299886147 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, and y should tell the program which is the case? < 1299886148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tradition. < 1299886149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886149 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Set one awsistor to 1 and a different one to 0 for 1, and visa versa for 0, and send a pulse when something changes? < 1299886151 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust uses reference counting for immutable stuff, and GC for mutable stuff < 1299886153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299886153 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Is good. < 1299886156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1299886158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes a twisted kind of sense. < 1299886418 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299886582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the FAQ may be out of date < 1299886593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an immutable later, a state layer, and a gc layer < 1299886689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1299886692 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299886849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" These < 1299886849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notations are marked using a special form of bracketing, such that a reader unfamiliar < 1299886849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the extension can still parse the surrounding text by skipping over the bracketed < 1299886849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :�extension text�" < 1299886854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This puts me in a good mood < 1299887094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tutorial < 1299887096 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO. < 1299887289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, prove is a keyword < 1299887436 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299888013 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299888551 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1299888600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s x y z c = x z (\xz. xz y z c); k x y c = c x < 1299888618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skk = \x c. s k (\sk. sk k x c) < 1299888628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skkFOO = \c. s k (\sk. sk k x FOO) < 1299888645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1299888645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skkFOO(id) = s k (\sk. sk k FOO id) < 1299888653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at this point i get too lazy < 1299888663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, realise that each partial application needs a c. < 1299888665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1299888746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:33:02 Did Jesus have a sacred hammer? < 1299888747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:02 Well, he was a carpenter, and a lot of people would probably consider just about anything he ever touched sacred. < 1299888748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:04 So I'd have to say ye. < 1299888750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:05 *yes < 1299888752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:28 He was a carpenter? < 1299888754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:45 O_O < 1299888756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:35:09 How can anyone in the western hemisphere not know that. < 1299888758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:35:55 I take it I'm in the western hemisphere... < 1299888760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:36:07 O_O < 1299888762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:36:25 I am stunned. < 1299888957 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224201183.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299888982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin.ca is back < 1299888998 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.02: 256k+64k+16k+8k+4k+1k to China, 16k+1k+512 to Indonesia, 32k to China, 1k to South Korea, 2k to Vietnam, 2k to Singapore, 64k to Thailand. < 1299889146 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299889172 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the Greek did not actually specify "carpenter". It used a more general term for what amounts to a skilled laborer.
< 1299889184 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could very well have been a mason, or a smith, or whatever else. < 1299889210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:05:02 hei < 1299889210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:05:31 hei kipple (=rune?) < 1299889210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:05:41 ja < 1299889210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:06:31 det var stille her < 1299889210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:06:54 det er ikke akkurat den mest aktive kanalen i verden nei < 1299889211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:06:58 i wondered if keymaker was here he seemed interested in my last language < 1299889213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:07:28 det var mer liv sist men det var litt senere på kvelden < 1299889215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:09:47 Swedish? < 1299889216 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just somebody who listed himself as a skilled labor because it helped him cheat on his taxes. < 1299889220 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpretation of Jesus as carpenter is, well, fan fiction. < 1299889221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*skilled laborer < 1299889223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve of this interpretation. < 1299889230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why he was such a dick to taxy-men. < 1299889235 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like almost all details of hell. < 1299889262 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And essentially all practices of a modern church except communion. < 1299889306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*communism < 1299889307 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and baptism of believers. That's actually in there, too. < 1299889320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*baguette < 1299889321 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Communism is not a practice of the modern church. < 1299889324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT IS. < 1299889329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*baptism of infants too young to be capable of having distinguished beliefs < 1299889333 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Though a form of it *was* a practice of the early church. < 1299889343 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baptism of infants is mostly a Catholic thing. < 1299889351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[>+<-]>-] < 1299889356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does something i thought impossible. but is useless. < 1299889372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, ihope already wrote that. in 2006. :) < 1299889377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, essentially that. < 1299889381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-[>+<-]>] < 1299889383 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rejecting it is actually the raison d'etre for many Protestant sects. < 1299889392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*baptism of fire < 1299889395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of fire of infants < 1299889404 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including, of all things, the Amish. < 1299889413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1299889417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you swap two tape cells in BF? < 1299889419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without using a third value... < 1299889420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not < 1299889430 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without using a third? No. < 1299889462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: indeed. < 1299889466 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you may be able to pull it off in 1-bit BF. < 1299889475 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmaybe < 1299889482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just < 1299889522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if { right; if {} else {flip left flip} } else { right; if {flip left flip} else {} } < 1299889536 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost valid PEBBLE. < 1299889538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, so basically if x==y then flip both :) < 1299889544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's ==, xor? < 1299889547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait xor is !=. < 1299889561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what's it in pebble? < 1299889570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait I can do this I think < 1299889590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if { right; flip; if {left flip} else {flip} } else { right; if {flip left flip} else {} } < 1299889601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if { right; flip; if {left flip} else {flip} } else { right; flip; if {left flip} else {flip} } < 1299889618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299889651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up how to do if in regular bf
< 1299889676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I can't use a regular if < 1299889680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wait < 1299889690 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if is destructive, yeah. < 1299889710 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if-else requires a temporary cell, I think. < 1299889715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while { right; flip; if {left flip **LOOP WILL END AFTER THIS**} else {flip **LOOP WILL CONTINUE AFTER THIS**}} < 1299889726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1299889735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while { right; flip; if {left flip **LOOP WILL END AFTER THIS**} else {flip; right **LOOP WILL END AFTER THIS, BUT ONE CELL TOO FAR**}} < 1299889754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while { right; flip; if {left flip right **LOOP WILL END AFTER THIS, BUT ONE CELL TOO FAR**} else {flip; right **LOOP WILL END AFTER THIS, BUT ONE CELL TOO FAR**}} < 1299889774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while { right; flip; if {left flip right} else {flip right} } left < 1299889780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the else crept back in :D < 1299889781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1299889783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both end with flip right < 1299889783 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise you need to actually implement if-else for that to work, right? < 1299889784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1299889792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while { right; flip; if {left}; flip right } left < 1299889801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unfortunately*, < 1299889806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while { right; flip; while {left}; flip right } left < 1299889807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will not work < 1299889815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since left is *true* here... < 1299889820 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while {left; flip} will. < 1299889825 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299889831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes, but gives the wrong result for the rest of the code :) < 1299889835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wait < 1299889840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can be done as a truth table < 1299889842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is < 1299889844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either 1,1 < 1299889846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 0,0 < 1299889849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will have both 1s in the output < 1299889861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you flip one way < 1299889868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no way to do an if, I think... < 1299889876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed < 1299889881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't halt after generating "1,1" with [] < 1299889889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without moving outside those bounds < 1299889893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alas. < 1299889993 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you *could* successfully flip 0,1 and 1,0 around. :P < 1299890002 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip; left; flip < 1299890006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: *right < 1299890007 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, right; < 1299890010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. :p < 1299890020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can swap two bits with one extra bit trivially. < 1299890026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(initialised to 0) < 1299890084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while {right right flip left left flip}; right; while {left flip right flip}; right; while {left flip right flip}; left; left < 1299890085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299890097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>>*<<*]>[<*>*]>[<*>*]<< < 1299890108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in bitchanger < 1299890125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, too hard :D < 1299890147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299890148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1299890154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't swap the two registers of a minsky machine < 1299890156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think < 1299890405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ǃqháa̰ kū ǂnûm ǁɢˤûlitê ǀè dtxóʔlu ǀnàe ǂʼá sˤàa̰ < 1299890406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give MPO:4PRO two genital:22-P ASS:3 stench:3 DAT:3PRO COM:2 fat:22 < 1299890406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Give them their stinking genitals with the fat!" < 1299890407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Wikipedia < 1299890415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!X%C3%B3%C3%B5_language < 1299890445 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the nonsuckiest of program argument handling libraries? < 1299890463 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or better yet, one-header macromess :P < 1299890483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Uh." < 1299890486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getopt usually... works. < 1299890488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glib has something. < 1299890518 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Here's a katana. < 1299890521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But really it's one of the many simple problems that the C language has no convenient facility for dealing with: an option is essentially best described by an ADT. < 1299890543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C, any sufficiently rich option parser will be using a big struct with a bunch of enums, which never leads to a nice API. < 1299890550 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, to commit se'hųku properly, you need to be able to write 口 correctly... < 1299890564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "nonsuckiest", not "best" :P < 1299890565 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a skilled swordsman to assist you in case you screw up. < 1299890653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Weeeeell, since it's easy to implement there's no shortage of choices, but I don't know anything I'd consider as "good"; usually I just use getopt (even getopt_long) or hack up my own thing. Or not write the program in C (my favourite). < 1299890669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always the GNUUUUUUUUUUU choice: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/resources/courses/2005/17423/doc/libc/Argp.html < 1299890699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else < 1299890699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{{ < 1299890700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1299890731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess I'll just stick with self-hackery, just wondering if something nonsuck had cropped up while I wasn't looking. < 1299890744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're you working on? Or just a general question? < 1299890766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, lol @ the idea of something new in C ever cropping up :) < 1299890779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not since, uhhhh, Duff's Device? < 1299890834 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fythe. AKA "program you will now find some facet of to ridicule" < 1299890849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually I was thinking of working on my own Fythe-esque VM... :p < 1299890859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Remember that Fythe is essentially a slight perversion of an idea I gave you wholesale :P < 1299890864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously, I invented Forth.) < 1299890892 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's turned into a huge perversion that has greater resemblance to Lisp except really has no resemblance to either :P < 1299890923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stack-based and words can control the parsing stream (I think); that's Forth. < 1299890938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they can't control the parsing Scheme, way to defeat the whole point of the extensibility Forth gives you :-P < 1299890942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parsing stream, < 1299890943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not stack based and word's can't control the parsing stream ... per se. < 1299890945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP ON THE BRAIN. < 1299890950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I thought it was stack-based. < 1299890970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point with me giving you the idea is that there would essentially be an (automatically-executed) "plof" definition that took over the parsing stream with a regular (extensible) Plof parser. < 1299890977 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've seen the suggestion of separate tail-cal vs. not-a-tail-call thing before, but Rust actually does it < 1299890995 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uhh, THAT'S what I already had :P < 1299891007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh, no? < 1299891022 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fythe was to add a more powerful controllable compilation layer to it such that you could create output code that doesn't suck. < 1299891028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The point is that you could, given a Fythe REPL of some sort, write "c int main() { return 42; } HEY C WORD, THIS IS YOUR CUE TO END 1 +" < 1299891036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Given that c pushes the return value of the program.) < 1299891042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: At least that was /my/ point. < 1299891058 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, that's what I already had :P < 1299891072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not an implementation of C in particular, but yeah. < 1299891110 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really, really like log and note < 1299891146 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem was that the way I defined it made it much easier to do very local compilation ... basically taking each expression independently and treating its arguments as a black box. This produces shittacular code. < 1299891165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Shittacular but elegant! < 1299891172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But shittacular :P < 1299891175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is Fythe JITted? If not: TOTAL OPPORTUNITY MISSED THERE YO < 1299891181 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's JITted. < 1299891181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait, wait, JITting isn't ANSI C PORTABLE.) < 1299891193 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The JIT in particular is GNUy :P < 1299891194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please tell me every damn JITting part has a huge ifdef mess to optionally not JIT :P < 1299891205 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no non-JIT option right now. < 1299891214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASPETHETTE < 1299891216 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or probably ever) < 1299891234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I'd do a Fythe-esque VM rather than using Fythe, apart from NIHness, is for hosted implementation of @... < 1299891266 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Fythe has its flaws and weirdnesses anyway, it'd be cool to see what somebody who isn't me would write with the same basic premise. < 1299891271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JITting might actually be a downside there insofar as portability would be nice, but OTOH who cares about non-Linux. < 1299891309 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, non-/Linux/? My JIT works ARM, x86, x86_64, and on Linux, Windows and Mac OS X. < 1299891315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about mine. < 1299891323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrote it before your line. < 1299891332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sure. It'd not "really" be Fythe, though, because the language would be designed to be possible to write semi-complex pieces of software in without too much of a headache. (After all, @'s super-advanced high-level language's compiler has to be implemented in it.) < 1299891345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH a lot of that could be built up in the language itself. < 1299891355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought @ was an OS ... so I don't understand how "non-Linux" fits in since it ... is ... non-Linux ... ? < 1299891373 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, HOSTED < 1299891374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like I said, hosted implementation of @. Like a 16-bit OS considers the BIOS, hosted @ considers Linux. < 1299891378 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totes read. < 1299891392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This wouldn't be exclusive, just a first step, since hosted "only" OSes are just shitty programs. < 1299891419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The idea is that 99% of @ code in the long run would be portable, so ostensibly I could just write the low level x86-64 parts in the future and it'd all work. Ostensibly.) < 1299891428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Drivers and such might get in the way a bit. :p) < 1299891451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The formal meaning of TC describes abstract systems that are not necessarily physically realisable. If ais523 intended the formal meaning, then "HTML+CSS+infinite starting pattern" is TC, and the fact that this is not realisable is irrelevant. He cannot use "the pattern shown there" or "the example shown" as evidence against TC-ness of the abstract system." < 1299891493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this person even posses... a brain... < 1299891518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW SOLUTION: I was planning on having a way for Fythe programs to pull arguments off the argument "queue" anyway, and Fythe programs of course have a way of parsing Fythe programs (sort of by definition), so I'll just implement the argument parser as a Fythe program. Solution problemed! ... I mean problem solved! < 1299891546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Make it EXTENSIBLE. < 1299891552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through ILL-DEFINED MEANS. < 1299891570 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ponies) < 1299891571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like, if I want to, I can swap out any program using a common "get an option" API to use a / prefix rather than --... EVEN IF THAT PREFIX IS EMBEDDED INTO THE GET AN OPTION API < 1299891581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although that's easy, by just redefining it wholesale.) < 1299891588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's the cort that thounts.) < 1299891595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No court would thount.) < 1299891629 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299891651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1299891653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just wake up? :) < 1299891659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1299891664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's call that a yes < 1299891672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ØST SUCCESSFULLY CALIBRATED < 1299891679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299891687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what you're saying is, you didn't sleep. < 1299891711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ASSUMING oerjan isn't being a jerk by being inconsistent, he got up around 1:25 UTC, let's say. < 1299891719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :round to 1:30 UTC. < 1299891736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how this is going, i think i'll keep this as a challenge... < 1299891739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's your "natural" feeling wakeuptime < 1299891745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, when your 25 hour thing wraps around properly < 1299891753 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... well this is creepy. < 1299891755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, 7 am? 9 am? 12 pm? < 1299891757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THIS IS IMPORTANT < 1299891771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He REFUSES to provide scientific data. < 1299891801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How else will I make a website telling the world the current UTC offset of Oerjan Standard Time?!?!?!?!?!??!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!??!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! < 1299891807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!???!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!! < 1299891807 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1299891812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it, i'm going to analyse irc logs. < 1299892064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :• pikhq_ notes that the Greek did not actually specify "carpenter". It used a more general term for what amounts to a skilled laborer. < 1299892082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEXT YOU'LL BE TELLING ME THERE WEREN'T THREE WISE KINGS, EITHER < 1299892117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no virgins anywhere to be seen. < 1299892163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15:09:47 Swedish? < 1299892172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this, make ihope look stupid day? < 1299892184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1299892187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's see < 1299892225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:14 -> 19:19 -> 18:58 -> 20:10 -> 23:44 -> gap -> 1:06 -> 2:11 -> 5:41 (?!?!?!) -> 13:50 (?!?!??!) -> 17:00 (?????) -> 15:55 -> 15:45 -> oerjan is fucking with me in the past < 1299892258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i conclude that "Good night" has no relation to (1) whether it is night; (2) whether the quit constitutes a valid ØST recalibration < 1299892261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:03:37 And essentially all practices of a modern church except communion. < 1299892265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or oerjan is just a dirty filthy liar. < 1299892268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:04:22 Oh, and baptism of believers. That's actually in there, too. < 1299892294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly recall reading the protestants cut the sacraments down to those two presumably for that reason. < 1299892335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1299892336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this data is useless < 1299892340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "Good night" usually describes my intent at the moment, at least. < 1299892358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether i actually manage to go to sleep then, may vary. < 1299892394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so I just need to find some samples that /do/ advance properly, and then interpolate from there ;D < 1299892404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is now edging slowly away from me. < 1299892498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the fact that i even in usual circumstances frequently take a break from irc while awake does not help. < 1299892594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's why i only grepped for "Good night" < 1299892598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a scientist, dammit < 1299892601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1299892724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Baptism of infants is mostly a Catholic thing. < 1299892733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian church does that too... < 1299892786 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hence why I said "mostly". < 1299892809 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Protestant churches *do* keep many Catholic-origin traditions, after all. < 1299892832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think you may be able to pull it off in 1-bit BF. < 1299892855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. the cell from which you leave the last loop must have a fixed final value. < 1299892943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for more context can you swap two tape cells in BF? < 1299892944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1299892957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1299893048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can't swap the two registers of a minsky machine < 1299893058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would seem to be a stronger version of this, yes < 1299893080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, as I mentally swapped (ha!) "two values, infinite tape" and "infinite values, two-long tape" < 1299893084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with < 1299893127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which is what i did in my previous underload construction, too < 1299893224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now, to commit se'hųku properly, you need to be able to write 口 correctly... < 1299893231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And a skilled swordsman to assist you in case you screw up. < 1299893242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those japanese take their calligraphy seriously. < 1299893300 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, you really, really do write a simple kanji in your stomach to commit seppuku. < 1299893323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1299893366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which appropriately means "opening". < 1299893468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually it's turned into a huge perversion that has greater resemblance to Lisp except really has no resemblance to either :P < 1299893486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to consult with someone else with a name starting in "gre" < 1299893894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 math questions, 100 minutes < 1299893896 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do this < 1299893916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well could, if you could stay off irc. < 1299893978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have my SGU music playing < 1299894069 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Gre...enReaper? < 1299894113 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: What?! Open source isn't good enough for you? Bersirc 2.2 [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] < 1299894200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry (born 1982) is the founder of WikiFur, editor-in-chief of Flayrah, and an amateur photographer." < 1299894207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WELL IF YOU INSIST... < 1299894237 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S THE ONE < 1299894250 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grelnakov? < 1299894284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: GOOGLE EXISTENCE FAILURE < 1299894304 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grezhnev? < 1299894357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Grezhnev, VA (V A) :: [A device for automatic determination, calculation and storage of parameters in cardiointervalography] < 1299894360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299894401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parameters after my heart < 1299894422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreekSalad? < 1299894428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299894431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grep? < 1299894436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299894452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the first one was closest. < 1299894456 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gremlins? < 1299894457 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299894466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add water. < 1299894525 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh GreaseMonkey? < 1299894544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail to see how these are closer than the first one. < 1299894573 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL IDONNO < 1299894580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But will continue to guess. < 1299894624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greuido van Rossum? < 1299894679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can anyone be Benevolent with a name like Guido, anyway < 1299894687 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep -i '^[^ ]* "Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry (born 1982) is the founder of WikiFur, editor-in-chief of Flayrah, and an amateur photographer." < 1299895363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: WELL IF YOU INSIST... < 1299895364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Siner :P < 1299895377 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299895406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm < 1299895409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Grerik Naggum? < 1299895433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Grohn McCarthy?!?!??!?!! < 1299895444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Graul Praham?! < 1299895479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i find it hard to believe a 40 char bf program can't generate a larger number than 1172812402960. < 1299895489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc dbc had some short program outputting a very large number in here years ago. < 1299895504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naggum is dead. if Gregor has means of consulting with him, be very careful. < 1299895518 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like he's been a busy beaver < 1299895536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ba-dum < 1299895537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TISH < 1299895548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HE LIVES ON IN SEXPRESSIONS. < 1299895748 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, i'll be here all week < 1299895841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should point out it's not the first name which starts with gre. < 1299895851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Paul Grehem? < 1299895857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I got up at 10:45. hmhm < 1299895861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. < 1299895863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arithmetic is hard. < 1299895957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 hours. hey, that is not bad. < 1299895960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finishe my homework < 1299895995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, last time it was... about 34 hours. < 1299896008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: two all-nighters in a row: best way to resynchronise? < 1299896079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've had that backfire before < 1299896085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: howso? < 1299896092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woke up well-rested today. thankfully. < 1299896105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole problem is that i overslept, waking up about an hour and forty-five minutes later than i should have. < 1299896114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I've been unable to get myself to bed on time (time = 1 am or so) < 1299896117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(time now is almost 3 am) < 1299896123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by oversleeping enough to flip right back again... < 1299896138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed, but thankfully i already did my oversleeping < 1299896141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i haven't been tired today < 1299896149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: plus, i'll likely only last until about 9 pm. < 1299896152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or 10 pm. < 1299896153 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a short program generating Fibonacci numbers. But that page is talking about putting large numbers in a cell, which is unportable and slow and totally the wrong way to do things anyway. < 1299896156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so oversleeping is a /benefit/ < 1299896168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: otherwise i'd wake up at 5 am :) < 1299896187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 hours of sleep puts me awake at 9 am, a perfectly cromulent time to get up. < 1299896208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: hmm, I'm sure you had a program to do that in the logs. < 1299896214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the unportable/slowness is irrelevant. < 1299896217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is purely theoretical :) < 1299896225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically busy beaver problem < 1299896245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it takes cycles to generate a number, etc. < 1299896323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also i might go out and walk about a bit in the daytime to keep me awake. (i'm more sane than to go on your pattern of "GO FOR A BRISK WALK IN THE COLDEST SEASON OF A VERY COLD COUNTRY AT THE COLDEST, DARKEST TIME OF NIGHT") < 1299896376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:34:07 I'm in Keswick (pronounced Kezik for some reason). Bye :-P < 1299896376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE REASON FOR ITS PRONUNCIATION IS A CLOSELY-GUARDED BRITISH SECRET. < 1299896518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it was at one time conquered by a stray turkish battalion, and you are trying to hide the embarassment < 1299896596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+r < 1299896682 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I just spent a minute or so dinking with the problem afresh, without too much luck. I'll see if it's in my logfiles on this computer now. < 1299896807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read as "drinking"; alcohol is a great way to get BF inspiration. < 1299896815 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not recent enough. < 1299896847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could grep, but I would have trouble finding a decent regexp. < 1299896865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:55:14 Did anyone do anything with your busy beaver task? < 1299896866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:55:26 * immibis wonders what ihope__ and dbc are talking about < 1299896866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:55:34 * immibis reads the irc log < 1299896866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:55:46 * immibis sees that you are running a BF factorial program. < 1299896869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that seems plausible. < 1299896897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:43:56 !bf >>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<<<++++[>++++++++++[>++++++++++[>.<-]<-]<-] < 1299896898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:44:00 ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( < 1299896899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that. :p < 1299896967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If I'm yawning now things are going well, right? < 1299896982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe < 1299896998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's 3 am. SO gonna go outside at the crack of dawn* < 1299897000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*post-crack. < 1299897004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like, really post crack. < 1299897012 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last one is clearly not it. < 1299897016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly writing this forth os will sharpen my mind. < 1299897022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: Well yeah, but it's a BF program! < 1299897030 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh huh. < 1299897060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, with a bignum tape, you can do 2^x for any x with constant overhead, right? < 1299897062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that just calculates 4*10*10 < 1299897095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it stands to reason that M(l+k) >= 2^M(l), where M(l) is the largest integer a halting BF program of length l can leave on a bignum tape. < 1299897101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for constant k < 1299897120 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^x (or 3^x or whatever) using x commands plus constant overhead, yes. < 1299897158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um that page you linked clearly explains how to do powers < 1299897162 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or less if x is biggish. < 1299897165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: Using x commands? Ah, well, right. No, what I meant was that if you have a program of length l that calculates n, < 1299897171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just append the 2^ code, and get 2^n. < 1299897177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does not even have to be a straight run of +s. < 1299897184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be a more compact method of generating a large number. < 1299897186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh did it :D < 1299897195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also http://www.iwriteiam.nl/D0904.html#15 < 1299897222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the Brainfuck constants page contains several examples of the method. < 1299897307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, [on googlefight] 23:37:25 whoever's repeatedly doing god vs s***n can piss off < 1299897314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor Stan. < 1299897319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's two letters. < 1299897325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor... Santn. < 1299897332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simon. clearly. < 1299897333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor span. < 1299897336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course. < 1299897344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:38:28 http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=jesus+porn&word2=furry+porn < 1299897345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:38:36 That is ... frightening. < 1299897348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean without garfunkel to protect him. < 1299897366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garfunkel obviously IS god. < 1299897370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stands to reason. < 1299897379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to reason sitting down < 1299897415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So did the Garfield [WORD THAT SOUNDS LIKE MINUS] Garfield thing finally die? < 1299897426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "Garfield Skynet Garfield: Judgment Day" really did end them :D < 1299897443 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like [[>]+[<]>-]>>[<[>++<-]>>] is reasonably concise, though imprecise. < 1299897444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i recall dmm saying something about taking a break at least. < 1299897457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imprecise? < 1299897544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/comics/0629.png this is nice < 1299897549 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't produce powers. It produces big power-y numbers. < 1299897641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A New Kind of Powers. < 1299897772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1299898268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=652 < 1299898370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/comics/0655.png < 1299899087 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299899340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09:16 Anything I do that's related to the silly prototype phone is probably automagically under the NDA I signed when starting there. < 1299899340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was the phone a BOMB? < 1299899344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's plausible. < 1299899895 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can neither confirm nor deny it. < 1299900040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:20:10 ```si`k``si`k``sii``s``s`kski < 1299900040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:21:06 I think that's the Church numeral for Steinhaus's Mega. < 1299900040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:30:14 And ```si`k``si`k``si`k``sii``s``s`kski is much, much bigger... < 1299900040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:15:32 Now here's a nice sequence: !1 = 2, !2 = 8, !3 = 402653184*2^402653184. < 1299900200 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is prefix-!? < 1299900512 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299900803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: WHO KNOWS < 1299900971 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was it you who were trying to say something to me somewhere past my scrollback? < 1299901045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: prolly < 1299901048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:44:13 done; http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/selfmd5.py < 1299901049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:45:32 it's md5 (and output) is (or at least should be) b1f532d69db9c1366389ff855da9ae04 < 1299901050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuut < 1299901069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hexdigest of that string isn't same :P < 1299901073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the same. < 1299901567 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299901569 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-224-234.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299901576 0 :RodgerTheGreat!~rodger@71-13-218-144.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299901600 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey dudes < 1299901702 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299902041 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: /dev/io failed < 1299902152 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I thought 4.3 billion potential addresses would be adequate for conducting the experiments to prove the technology. If it worked, then we could go back and design the production version. Of course, it is now 2011, and the experiment never exactly ended." :D < 1299902169 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1299902205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches no red pandas do absolutely nothing -- live
< 1299902208 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still contend that the ugliness of IPv6 addresses is a major stumbling block to adoption over v4 < 1299902213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wonders. Of the internet. < 1299902222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: DNS was invented decades ago to solve the ugliness of IP addresses. < 1299902235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he says, while hosting logs at "208.78.103.223") < 1299902265 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also LANs and a million other places where people like us work with IPs < 1299902287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Anyway, considering that IANA is completely devoid of IPv4 addresses (apart from strongly reserved ->IPv6 transitional blocks), and the RIRs are running out fast, quibbles like that really don't matter any more. :) < 1299902288 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end of the day we'll have to look at the damn things < 1299902295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that if IPv6 isn't adopted, there just is no internet. < 1299902302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: If they are internal addresses, you can assign them how you want with IPv4... < 1299902325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv4 isn't going to "go away" any time in the next trillion years, it'll just be relatively useless externally in the long term. < 1299902344 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying IPv6 isn't going to be adopted, I'm saying it kinda sucks and represents a missed opportunity/misstep < 1299902355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Zooko's triangle. < 1299902357 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need more space- this is obvious and inescapable < 1299902368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secure, decentralised, human-meaningful: pick two. < 1299902372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP addresses *must* be decentralised. < 1299902379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP addresses *must* be secure (in that you can't just pick the same IP as someone else). < 1299902384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore they cannot be human meaningful. < 1299902395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That needs to be handled at a separate layer, i.e. DNS. < 1299902405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, there's no reason you can't assign internal hostnames either, at the router level. < 1299902445 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tacking on another couple of .FF suffixes would've solved the problem without making them nasty to parse and look at < 1299902465 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299902466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Couple"? 32-bit vs. 128-bit :P < 1299902510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we all need to use the @DN instead. < 1299902515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until then, IPv6 is perfectly cromulent. < 1299902676 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299902706 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news I have built a partial implementation of itertools for forth: http://pastebin.com/kMsZRR8U < 1299902795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow... it'll offend both Forthers and Pythonistas (hate that term) alike. < 1299902802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive :P < 1299902824 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a good day < 1299902834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks a bit un-factored, especially range/sequence/slice/filter/chain/zip having very similar structure to my eyes. But fun. < 1299902840 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299902842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pain to manage the memory manually though. < 1299902854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think standard convention is to put the ; on the last line, but who cares... < 1299902870 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I haven't implemented repeat and cycle, so I don't have to do dynamic allocation < 1299902895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So map destroys the original iterator? < 1299902904 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like consumes < 1299902933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In HASKELL, generators/iterators are exactly equivalent to lists. >:) < 1299902946 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently using defining words that build anonymous words to function as closures < 1299902967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("newtype Generator a = Gen (Maybe (a, Generator a))" is directly algebraically transformable into the list type.) < 1299902969 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well in Forth I know what actually happens when I use generators < 1299902981 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell your guess is as good as mine < 1299902983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what happens in Haskell, too. :p < 1299902990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's because I know the language and stuff. < 1299902994 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and in PYTHON, generators are merely retarded >:) < 1299903010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Whaddya do when you have a limited set of control structures and they all suck. < 1299903065 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my language none of the control structures are primitive < 1299903090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, nor in Haskell. :p < 1299903090 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck it, monolithic compilers < 1299903097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, I've actually directly implemented Haskell-like lists in C. < 1299903102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... A few different times. < 1299903115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well... "if x then y else z" is, but that's a wart; you can just as easily rewrite that as a function (though without the then/else, but those are warts in themselves)) < 1299903330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: case < 1299903346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, right. but. < 1299903366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if your language has no way to distinguish any two values, then you're not going to be able to implement every other control structure :D < 1299903377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could do it Church style in Haskell I guess, buuuut...) < 1299903377 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth could conceivably be extended to act like haskell. Dunno why anyone would want to do that, though. < 1299903384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: To get a high-level language? < 1299903401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, Forth is both low-level and highly flexible. < 1299903414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much any bending/breaking of the language is permissible. < 1299903422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Forth, but I'd rather write a large program in Haskell than Forth by far. < 1299903432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just about levels of expression and abstraction. < 1299903443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a certain point in Forth, to go further you have to write your own interpreter loop. < 1299903451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at that point you can't reasonably claim you're programming in Forth any more. < 1299903470 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth is somewhat hampered by the general "anti-library" culture < 1299903499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Well... it excels in writing self-contained systems. < 1299903502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's hardly surprising. < 1299903506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Embedded work is a subset of this.) < 1299903530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's 2011, and my IDE still doesn't have a REPL!" ;; the title of a blog post written by somebody using the wrong IDE. < 1299903572 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of this is because the language is only half of "forth". The other half is an engineering approach that is about agressive simplification. If you don't have a closed system, unnecessary complexity from the outside world will leak in and make your forth uglier and more complex < 1299903593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure... which is a direct argument *against* libraries. < 1299903612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of thing works for many tasks, but Forth tends to fall apart when it comes into contact with large *inherent* complexity. < 1299903636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, you can do it, but you end up writing an ad-hoc, probably buggy and flawed language, and then writing your actual program in that language. < 1299903637 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moore would claim no system has inherent complexity < 1299903650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moore would hate MPEG. < 1299903653 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably wouldn't write a web browser either < 1299903660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he would. I don't know Moore as a person who says things that are blatantly wrong. < 1299903673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Uh, actually, he did this talk on colorForth where he suggested someone write a web browser. < 1299903697 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his argument isn't completely flawed. Browsers could be much, much simpler than they are < 1299903701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web is of course totally accidental/engineered overcomplexity. But not everything fits directly into Forth as cleanly as it might in another language. < 1299903718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I hate the web, who doesn't? It's incredibly badly architectured. < 1299903741 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining he'd like something more like wget with a graphics package < 1299903755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget? That involves all the complexity of TCP. < 1299903757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1299903759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget? That involves all the complexity of HTTP. < 1299903765 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant in terms of interfaces < 1299903775 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here is a word that fetches a page" < 1299903783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine he'd just load arbitrary Forth programs off the wire... I'm not sure he'd add any security to it either : < 1299903784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:) < 1299903789 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bingo < 1299903801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is a worse design than the web, but at least a simpler one. < 1299903816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be critiqued in a few lines, rather than the book it'd take to dissect the web. < 1299903842 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sandboxed it you could make that approach work < 1299903859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Then the problem is transferring stuff out (but it wouldn't be too hard). < 1299903864 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and given how easy forth-in-forth can be it wouldn't be that ridiculous to implement < 1299903871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Unfortunately a sandbox would take quite a bit of work in Forth, since words usually touch the hardware very directly. < 1299903874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would be elegant. < 1299903880 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1299903890 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well think about it < 1299903909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the worst bit of that design is that it would be very hard to design pages *well* in such a scheme. < 1299903912 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't care about speed it comes down to a handful of "dangerous" primitives like ! @ and execute < 1299903917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like HTML, to be honest. < 1299903924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: and p@ and p! (in cforth) < 1299903926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1299903932 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c@ c! < 1299903932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably dozens of others that access memory without asking :) < 1299903936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicitly, that is < 1299903945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though at least you wouldn't be spending your time working around straight-up misfeatures. < 1299903949 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are really only a handful that can't be implemented in terms of others < 1299903952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bugs. < 1299903956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of those. < 1299903969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: So now you've complicated the problem of an information system into a Forth implementation. < 1299903974 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, if speed is not a consideration you can build a huge percentage of a forth system in high-level forth < 1299903980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine implementation incompatibilities in *that* :) < 1299903987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Sure, but then you're not taking advantage of Forth really. < 1299903990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can implement Forth in anything. < 1299903996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Why yes, you can write a Lisp in anything. < 1299903999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299904010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Pet Solution to the web is simply distributed object retrieval. < 1299904015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where object is _not_ used in the OOP sense.) < 1299904029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well... slightly. But >90% of OOP is bunk.) < 1299904038 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a mirror of how the underlying system works, it isn't a significant increase in the complexity of the whole, which is really what I see as the issue < 1299904041 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299904073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing is that systems like Haskell seem complex and inscrutable *only* because we approach them from a background biased against them; take a look at your x86. < 1299904076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a C processor. < 1299904084 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP isn't necessary for programming per se. OOP is useful for sawing up tasks and distributing them across multiple programmers. It's a teamwork methodology. < 1299904093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider if we all had Reducerons, a CPU with no instruction set: http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/fp/reduceron/ < 1299904099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a symbolic graph reducer on a chip. < 1299904106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From that, Haskell would seem a billion times more natural than Forth or C < 1299904107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*C. < 1299904120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So simplicity can often be a misleading concept, because it's relative. < 1299904135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : OOP isn't necessary for programming per se. OOP is useful for sawing up tasks and distributing them across multiple programmers. It's a teamwork methodology. < 1299904143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could believe this if people did not include inheritance in OOP. < 1299904159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I certainly don't call inheritance mandatory for OOP. < 1299904161 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :separation of concerns < 1299904163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299904166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people use inheritance in OOP. < 1299904171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, true. < 1299904173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And inheritance breaks APIs. < 1299904181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can often cause pain and agony and sorrow. < 1299904190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any time composition can't do something and inheritance can, that is because of a design flaw somewhere. < 1299904199 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same sense that "integers break APIs" < 1299904201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And inheritance impedes distributed teamwork with its intense coupling of code. < 1299904203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Uh, no. < 1299904213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inheritance is a tool to break an object's interface. < 1299904220 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you apply the tool improperly you will bleed < 1299904231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: What can inheritance do that composition can't, that does not arise from a design flaw? < 1299904254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, re tool-improperly-you-will-bleed: by that argument, assembly is perfectly OK for teamwork. < 1299904269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it has a huge possibility for error and messing beyond API boundaries -- hey, apply improperly and you'll bleed. < 1299904306 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inheritance and composition are of equivalent expressive power. Lemme go fire up my turing machine. < 1299904358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: No. Because a subclass of class A can be used as an A, despite the fact that its implementation may break the Liskov substitution principle. (And this can be VERY tricky to get right, even if it does not seem so). (Note: Eiffel avoids this. Most people do not use Eiffel.) < 1299904371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in many languages subclasses can access data that the rest of the world can't... which is just *wrong wrong wrong*. < 1299904395 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will parenthetically note that C++ is OOP in name only < 1299904443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paraphrase of Alan Kay: "I invented the term OOP, and I can tell you, I didn't have C++ in mind. [laughter] Not Smalltalk, either. < 1299904452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is usually quoted without that last sentence; one may speculate freely on the reasons why.) < 1299904468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would paste the real quote but it is impossible to find; Google only yields the incomplete versions.) < 1299904471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*either." < 1299904773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299904773 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | it's done, the only thing it doesn't do is annotate a paste < 1299904776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299904776 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | ;P < 1299904777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299904778 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | heh < 1299904779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299904779 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | + Nick change: AntiGarlicMonste -> ais523 < 1299904781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299904781 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | its hard to see the fractals :( < 1299904840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot < 1299904840 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot < 1299904840 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what pikhq said < 1299904840 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: System to take template file and packages and build bit-exact ISO from those. < 1299904844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, no longer works. < 1299904852 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299904878 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-242-73.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299904891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299904901 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: dude, you really need to do something about your net connection < 1299904907 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299904913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes into SPACE. < 1299904917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok, it used to. < 1299904919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it just buffers. < 1299904936 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my stepdad's new router. It sucks ass. And he thinks he's better at tech than I. And is paranoid. < 1299904942 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't do anything about it at all. < 1299904955 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were in college now < 1299904966 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live at home, for I am cheap. < 1299904973 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good lord < 1299904977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's my stepdad's new router. It sucks ass. And he thinks he's better at tech than I. And is paranoid. < 1299904979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as bad as sgeo's! < 1299905038 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion living at home to save money is a rather egregious false economy. < 1299905045 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case in point < 1299905060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Only if you can get decent work. < 1299905066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at you, America. < 1299905080 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The money to move out isn't going to come out of thin air. And employment is hard to find ATM. < 1299905086 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colleges *love* to pay students to do things < 1299905102 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you have enough brain cells to rub together for undergrad research < 1299905124 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Community college, because I can't bloody well afford to do otherwise. < 1299905135 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1299905149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, at least I'm not going to Sgeo's." < 1299905177 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not even joking, an associate's from here would be worth more than a bachelor's from there. < 1299905195 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT REQUIRES MORE BUSINESS CLASSES THAN MATH CLASSES FOR GOD'S SAKE < 1299905201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a Ph.D. from there. God, they'll actually do Ph.D.s, won't they. < 1299905206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go cry now. < 1299905870 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299907310 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | very fine... just got back from holidays. < 1299907339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: so where did you have your holiday? < 1299907339 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: computer records. < 1299907346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i see. < 1299907719 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299909090 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299909356 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299909881 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299910446 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299910571 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/V9aab < 1299910595 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299910644 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1299910894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299910981 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that screenshot < 1299910998 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am constantly baffled at the things people post online < 1299911004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cheater spoke. < 1299911021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: it's not about online. it's just that you only see it because it's online < 1299911047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless people regularly tell you about people 6 degrees separated from you and how they talked to this idiotic person they know < 1299911049 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus "the things people post online" < 1299911058 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people are ignorant and prejudiced < 1299911066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299911081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more ignorant and prejudiced, the less realising of that they are. < 1299911083 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it surprises me that people say stuff like that in a public forum < 1299911109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems obvious that they thought their original point was totally unobjectionable, and then just tried to save face badly when their social peers reacted badly < 1299911111 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're right, it shouldn't really be that hard to believe < 1299911133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to live in a world where such things _do_ elicit legitimate incredulity. < 1299911198 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried about the 5 "likes". < 1299911224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh, I'm sure "like" is applied to things people hate but lol at. < 1299911229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badly named. < 1299911238 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the liker, probably < 1299911239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Someone else can confirm/deny this, I don't use facebook.) < 1299911240 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There needs to be a "Fuck you" button. < 1299911285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought: emacs : unix :: facebook : the internet. < 1299911293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Emacs is a great OS, but I prefer Unix." < 1299911332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:05:03 optbot: so where did you have your holiday? < 1299911332 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: making this is so hard :D < 1299911332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:05:03 oerjan: computer records. < 1299911332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:05:10 ...i see. < 1299911332 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Defcalc < 1299911334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: brilliant. < 1299911343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it traversed into another data structure :) < 1299911380 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the horror when people start thinking facebook "is" the internet like they think google is < 1299911387 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they already have < 1299911416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Maybe they have. Let's put it this way: facebook has all but *replaced* the Internet for some people. < 1299911422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It literally does everything but packet switching. < 1299911426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is fucking scary. < 1299911461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Email? Yep. IM? Yep. Usenet...sorta? Yep. Social networking? Yep. Casual games? Yep. ...) < 1299911656 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very depressing. < 1299911669 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet I find myself spending maybe 10 minutes on Facebook a day. < 1299911691 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only really got one to shut people up. < 1299911721 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well, I suppose I'm *logged in* 24/7. Logged in via Jabber and all that. :P < 1299911750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one, but never ever ever used it, and then one day I noticed that occasionally people actually noticed it existed, so I deleted it. < 1299911765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT this doesn't bother anyone because I'm boring anyway. < 1299911774 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. The Simpsons has been running for *21 freaking seasons*. < 1299911796 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And is almost exactly as old as I am. < 1299911837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And almost as unfunny HAHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAhem. < 1299911856 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For the first, oh, 9 seasons, it was brilliant. < 1299911861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1299911867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus present tense. < 1299911908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must conclude that pikhq_ was hilarious as a child. < 1299911926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHA < 1299911930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of COURSE < 1299911936 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correlation! < 1299911937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(picking on innocents//=my favourite pasttime) < 1299911940 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1299911940 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1299911941 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1299911943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: IT'S CAUSATION! < 1299911964 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... If The Simpsons ends, do I die? < 1299911964 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299911975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299911984 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it shall be the end of you < 1299911987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, slightly offset. < 1299911992 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299911993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, after all, not EXACTLY as old as you. < 1299911997 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299912002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: BETTER GIVE MONEY TO RUPERT MURDOCH. < 1299912026 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if I can just make The Simpsons about as likely to end as, say, Superman comics, I'll be immortal? < 1299912031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm death, or money to murdoch. decisions, decisions. < 1299912043 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death to murdoch? < 1299912066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, always with his win-win options. < 1299912107 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step one will have to be death to Murdoch. If The Simpsons gets genuinely popular again, rather than carrying on on inertia, then it's fucked with Murdoch at the helm. < 1299912140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: note that as the Simpsons gets shittier, so will you. < 1299912141 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all < 1299912158 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: RodgerTheGreat < 1299912158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if "The Simpsons" gets televised weekly and it's just a pile of sludge steaming for half an hour... that's what you will be. < 1299912177 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which, again, is why I must bring death to Murdoch. < 1299912186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: note that matt groening is still mortal. < 1299912199 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1299912218 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then I'll have to make Groening immortal somehow. < 1299912221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: (his life depends on, believe it or not, Family Guy.) < 1299912228 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not worth it. < 1299912229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must do a great many terrible things to stay alive. < 1299912230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299912257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: and Seth MacFarlane depends on goatse. < 1299912257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1299912269 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Seth MacFarlane is immortal! < 1299912275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i'm pretty sure matt groening is older than family guy < 1299912282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: offsets. < 1299912295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matt groening will die [the difference] before family guy ends. < 1299912309 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would also suggest Family Guy will never end, so Groening is immortal. < 1299912328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: < 1299912333 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Memes do not die. < 1299912333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not dead which can eternal lie, < 1299912342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with strange aeons, even Seth MacFarlane can get sick of the sound of his own voice. < 1299912345 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say memes? < 1299912353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy who was born the same day as mickey mouse truly has it made. < 1299912355 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1299912378 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, dear God, he will probably outlast the heat death of the Universe. < 1299912388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299912388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all atoms end < 1299912391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will only be mickey mouse. < 1299912395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :staring. in the void. < 1299912396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching. < 1299912397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299912398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting. < 1299912405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...for his copyright to expire < 1299912410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until his copyright _finally_ expi...dammit < 1299912428 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then he said, let there be light. And there was light, and he saw that it was good. < 1299912437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1299912438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not the first time we've done that meme < 1299912457 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, Mickey Mouse will need humans around to extend copyright. < 1299912460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I approve of this Mickeymouseology. < 1299912677 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll become a mickeymousetian if you set up the mickeymousefunhouse. < 1299912740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds slightly paedophilic. < 1299912778 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saint Pedobear approves. < 1299912814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i need to figure out how to enable bochs' debugger. this is ridiculous. < 1299912828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sanctus Paedobarius < 1299912873 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SANCTVS PAEDOBARIVS, you mean. < 1299912889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i don't think church latin is that capital intensive < 1299912893 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disbelieves in lower-case Latin
< 1299912919 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I care not. < 1299912927 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church Latin is blasphemy. < 1299912945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is molestation, doesn't stop 'em! < 1299912969 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSSUM VIDERE OMNIA < 1299912972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure the bible outlaws molestation anywhere < 1299912974 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the formation of the last word wrong < 1299912975 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure < 1299912979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. it's ok then! < 1299912990 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It outlaws sexual activity outside of marriage. < 1299912999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1299913001 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I passed latin 1 with a 60. That's how good at it I was. < 1299913012 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marriage at birth is entirely permissible, however. < 1299913015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it wasn't latin 60 with a 1 < 1299913022 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1299913045 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the Catholic church mandates celibacy in its clergy. < 1299913046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(void in regions where lower characters are better) < 1299913053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grades < 1299913131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: i think OMNIA is perfectly appropriate plural neuter accusative < 1299913155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether that is the form you intended, i cannot say < 1299913182 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems good I guess < 1299913189 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, POSSVM. < 1299913191 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no U. < 1299913195 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only V. < 1299913202 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I learned church latin :< < 1299913212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLASPHEMER < 1299913220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not canonical! < 1299913221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it < 1299913225 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1299913229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, elliott. < 1299913233 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: That's about as valid as learning txt nglsh. < 1299913238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's good. it's funny!1 < 1299913240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*funny!! < 1299913254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/ads/finland.png < 1299913255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELEVEN < 1299913260 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION especially "loves" the bit where they pronounce Latin using Italian pronunciation rules.
< 1299913284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(relevant fodder for oerjan) < 1299913347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ï hävë nö ïdëä whät ÿöü ärë tälkïng äböüt < 1299913425 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ï ẗöö ẅöüld lïkë ẗö knöẅ ẗḧäẗ. < 1299913534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, bochs is the worst. < 1299913618 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299913736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION compiles bochs
< 1299913742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the worst. < 1299913768 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1299914254 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299914800 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC Depletion predicted 3rd June (Huston). I recall when 3rd June was predicted APNIC deplation date. < 1299914807 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IANA depletion date. < 1299915138 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299915294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : how so? < 1299915312 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299915313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: its built in debugger flags syntax error with no info on almost any input, and the inputs that do work don't give me anything helpful like, say, the line _my_ code executed, not the bios < 1299915325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the stack trace was just a bunch of seemingly-random hexs, not related to my program locations.) < 1299915339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even though i specify -q it still brings up a menu when it starts :) < 1299915419 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's very very simple, the debugger < 1299915426 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1299915433 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple in the retarded sense, I guess < 1299915484 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still find it more useful than no debugger, and I've decided not to complain about crappy debuggers but be happy about the luxury of a debugger even existing < 1299915606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I would, except I literally can't figure out how to do the simplest task < 1299915628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i miss perlnomic :( < 1299915642 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that could just be you being stupid though < 1299915661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: quite possibly < 1299916387 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *What the hell George Lucas*. < 1299916400 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know the cantina scene in "A New Hope"? < 1299916409 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That genre of music, in-universe, is called "jizz". < 1299916417 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am *not* fucking kidding. < 1299916451 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time you see it, think of it as George Lucas jizzing in your living room < 1299916732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah :D < 1299916799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299916800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299916834 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's *still* less embarrassing than the Holiday Special. < 1299916995 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know it's bad when it makes its actors start doing crack. < 1299917013 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, cocaine. Not crack cocaine. < 1299917221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299917244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Phantom_Hoover, i've not slept again, prepare for criticism < 1299917279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dives for cover
< 1299918497 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299918648 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299918876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Database terminology is so colorful: "If the primary server fails and then immediately restarts, you must have a mechanism for informing it that it is no longer the primary. This is sometimes known as STONITH (Shoot the Other Node In The Head), which is necessary to avoid situations where both systems think they are the primary, which will lead to confusion and ultimately data loss." < 1299919096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299919159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1299919165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tracks/sectors/heads start from 0 or 1 < 1299919168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in int13h < 1299919170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(olsner :P) < 1299919474 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299919556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the cylinder and head values are 0-based, but the sector count starts from 1. < 1299919572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Block_Addressing#CHS_conversion seems to agree. < 1299919685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: THAT'S LOGICAL! < 1299919711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it works now :) < 1299919769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you *could* use the LBA version -- http://www.ctyme.com/intr/rb-0708.htm -- though constructing that data structure for the address would probably cost more bytes. < 1299919778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need disk reading for? < 1299919833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Boot sectory. < 1299919847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just want something that loads some kilobytes of kernel and jumps to it. It seems to be working. < 1299919855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Decided the best break from a Forth bootsector is a Forth OS.) < 1299919869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even makes a nice little | / - \ spinner while it loads, too! < 1299919878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on real hardware you might even see that for half a second! < 1299919895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got tired of sticking everything into 510 bytes, I see. < 1299919950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it can be... frustrating < 1299919975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 45 0000003D 64C70600007C0F mov word [fs:0], vgachar('|') < 1299919980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That instruction; it is uncomfortably long. < 1299920065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns on a20 using the bios, because does anything NOT support that?
< 1299920092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segment override prefix (64h), opcode (C7h), modrm byte for operand (06h), 16-bit offset (0000h) and data (7C0Fh)... they do add up. < 1299920153 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you happened to have bx or si or di 0 at that point, "mov word [fs:di], ..." would be shorter. But I guess they most likely hold real values. < 1299920235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On MIPS you could use r0, the best register of them all. (It's hardwired to have the value 0.) < 1299920329 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299920424 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-78.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299920446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the assembler pseudo-op "li r8, 0x1234" is internally encoded as "ori r8, r0, 0x1234" or some such. < 1299920465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you happened to have bx or si or di 0 at that point, "mov word [fs:di], ..." would be shorter. But I guess they most likely hold real values. < 1299920477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think si/di are free, it's just a boot sector. But it's tiny, so I don't really care that much :P < 1299920485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0, impressive. < 1299920491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we get a register for every word? < 1299921667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you know japanese yet < 1299921685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, been a bit busy not sleeping and such, i plan to figure out how to operate amazon with no cognition today < 1299921697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that would let me purchase book things that could be helpful < 1299921698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299921700 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299921705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do keys do things when you press them < 1299921707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::so confusing: < 1299921724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything always is < 1299921838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are the things, oklopol. < 1299922085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1299922335 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299922349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no things atm < 1299922359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except learning japanese, and reading a paper < 1299922366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very slowly < 1299922368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sleeping a lot < 1299922377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :general lazinessness < 1299922390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an exam on monday tho so will have to work a few hours at some point < 1299922469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and U? < 1299922477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm oh right this channel exists? < 1299922482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299922486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm like < 1299922488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitting here < 1299922489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm asking you what the things is < 1299922493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't had much sleep. in fact, any < 1299922495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you knew. < 1299922497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:45:10 Out of curiosity, what should happen if a Funge-98 IP were to hit the > on the line ";>#;"? (Quotes not part of the line, obviously.) < 1299922498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh a puzl. < 1299922518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now does # skip over ; or not, lemme check funge < 1299922530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299922531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not. < 1299922536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the > goes onto the # < 1299922539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that goes on to the ; < 1299922541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wraps around to the ; < 1299922545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it all repeats again < 1299922548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUCKIN' NOTHIN' < 1299922553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole lotta nothing < 1299922553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is what? < 1299922563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ip <- ip + delta < 1299922567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pos I guess < 1299922571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: _not_ explicitly wrapping < 1299922580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have "a#" on a line, it goes to a, because # moves to the space to the right of it < 1299922582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _that_ wraps < 1299922609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1299922612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;>#; < 1299922616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the # moves us into the _space_ < 1299922618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we hit the first one < 1299922622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the second one < 1299922624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the < 1299922624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299922626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total interp lockup < 1299922727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36:20 ais523, there? < 1299922728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36:29 ais523, seems c-intercal was added to portage(!) < 1299922728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how hideously out of date it is now < 1299922733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: logreading, i am also logreading < 1299922744 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299922812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so any plans for december? < 1299922903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is all...what's december, right now < 1299923231 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone on RW is claiming to have worked out how to factorise numbers very quickly. < 1299923246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:29:30 GregorR: computers are turing complete, and 0..2^64-1 is an infinite set < 1299923246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:29:57 By what stretch of the imagination is 0..2^64-1 an infinite set? < 1299923247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:30:15 GregorR: it's reeeeeally big < 1299923248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:30:19 :P < 1299923249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wat < 1299923254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's worse, it's the Microsoft fanboy. < 1299923261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1299923263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Saloon_bar#Friday_conundrum < 1299923272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scared < 1299923283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't actually give any evidence or even any indication how fast it is, though. < 1299923286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uhh, that's a joke/hypothetical. < 1299923300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to provide any more justification for this obvious fact than "Adrian Chen". < 1299923315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299923319 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1299923341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additional evidence: Nobody actually asks actual dilemma-related questions in that way. < 1299923360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes OK. < 1299923437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Who blocked pi. < 1299923462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this SusanG person talks way too much. < 1299923468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has an irritatingly non-textual signature. < 1299923470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose to dislike her. < 1299923475 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea; it's almost certainly one of RW's many frivolous blocks. < 1299923485 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, she's one of the rabider antitheists on RW. < 1299923511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I won't comment on any LQT page. No matter how much I care about the subject. I think it's terrible as it stands." < 1299923515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least there's that. < 1299923516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All religious people are morons" level. < 1299923528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/3/3b/Blue2pwnage.png < 1299923531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ENJOY YOUR BLOCK < 1299923538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All 30 seconds of it. < 1299923543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the past. < 1299923581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I also like how nobody responded to that factoring thing with an even vaguely ethical response. < 1299923600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Release it publicly? < 1299923615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean at the top level. < 1299923616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Tell me. 2) Exploit it for every penny you can. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 15:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC) < 1299923626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so there's exactly one. < 1299923631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER. < 1299923690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3455095/Extreme-supermoon-said-to-set-Earth-up-for-weather-chaos.html < 1299923701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Phantom_Hoover sucks, i'm coding more os < 1299923703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sun continues to uphold journalistic standards. < 1299923716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Some amateur scientists warn it could trigger extreme conditions all over the world, from earthquakes to tsunamis.]] < 1299923718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some amateur scientists warn it could trigger extreme conditions all over the world, from earthquakes to tsunamis." < 1299923718 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST LINE EVER < 1299923720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amateur scientists < 1299923721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299923734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It will cause them RETROACTIVELY < 1299923739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOON IS MAGIC AND DEFIES TIME. < 1299923751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Christ, look at the comments. < 1299923753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Published: 09 Mar 2011" < 1299923756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SUN: Ahead of the curve. < 1299923760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Oh Dear. Looks like John Kettley should have listened to his physics teacher. Quakes rock Japan news just in. Gravitational force increases inversely by the square of the distance. Half the distance, and you quadruple the force between those two objects. Of course the moon can cause earthquakes and tsunamis!! The force between earth and the moon can move billions of tons of water, and the earth's mantle too!!]] < 1299923780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coo another excuse for them to hike petrol prices up, they don't need decent excuses you know." < 1299923790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if it gets too close the PM will invent a tax for us looking at it" < 1299923803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tell the moon not to stop too close as it might get a parking ticket" < 1299923806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god, the right wing, it hurts. < 1299923809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. < 1299923831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Of course a planet moving closer to Earth can cause an earth quake, what would a weather man know. < 1299923831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only get it right now because of satellite coverage, I can predict my own weather by watching live satellite imagery.]] < 1299923833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh no, stock pile endless cans of spam, panic buy bread and milk, nail crooked bits of wood across the doors and windows to keep out the mutant zombies, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE......... < 1299923834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe nothing at all will happen, and I can get on and watch Emmerdale..." < 1299923834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockpiling food for fear of zombies, and watching Emmerdale: two equally bad situations. < 1299923842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WOULD A WEATHER MAN KNOW < 1299923855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sarcasm, I *think*. < 1299923859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm very unsure. < 1299923868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, laugh at my hee-larious Emmerdale quip. < 1299923876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahaha < 1299923887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LOL the scientists say it's moving several metres a year away from us, and now they say it's the closest in 18 years? okay then, the scary thing is, that a repeat of the 2004 tsunami could happen again." < 1299923897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The last time Haleys comet passed by the Earth it rendered me impotent for years,luckily Viagra fixed it and now the wife is over the moon !." < 1299923918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well I blame the Government LOL!" "I blame immigrants." ;; first one probably joke, second one joke < 1299923925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well personally I blame the "Global warming folks". Even George Bush knew they were nutters and now they have caused the moon to collide with Mars......Oops, sorry! I mean Earth. What are we to do? I have the answer. Let's put up some more of those wind-turbines. Perhaps we can blow it of course at the last minute. < 1299923925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you will excuse me now as I have to return to the real world." < 1299923931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO real world. < 1299923954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the 'S' stand for in that? < 1299923958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, rightl. < 1299923959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some. < 1299923960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The moons gravity does have an effect on magma under the earth, just like the effect on water it is being pulled, therefore one of a possible number of causes of earth quakes." < 1299923973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we will get taxed for increased flood risks" < 1299923977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"could we be taxed for this? ...like is it our fault in any way" < 1299923984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAXES TAXES TAXES < 1299923991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Liberals will try and conjur another tax out of this." ;; TAXES < 1299923996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: so any plans for december?" no < 1299924000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They've missed an oppotunity to blame it on global warming there" ;; CLIMATE CHANGE < 1299924002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Oh. So you lied. < 1299924023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's the good news, well if it happens as stated, there is nothing we can do about it, we will probably be told it is down to global warming, but, no matter what happens to this world, it' all down to NATURE, only nature will decide what will or will not happen, those who keep shouting that humans are causing the CO2 causing Global Warming are talking rubbish, one Volcanic eruption covers the world in many gases, including CO2, when Krakatoa e < 1299924023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xploded early in the 1800s, according to records, some of those gases were still in the atmosphere in 1960, since then we have had many volcanic eruptions, Iceland, Hawaii, and the ring of fire, only nature will decide in most cases whether we live or die." ;; WHAT < 1299924055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It probably also means that people will start going mental. The human body is made up of 70% water after all..." ;; NO, JUST NO < 1299924083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maxnex.. No green tax but if its too close then It will be subject to Londons congestion charge!" ;; FFF < 1299924095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a wonder the government or the EUC has not asked the tax payers for an additional "green" tax on this. < 1299924097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ffs < 1299924104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up about taxes and global warming you shitpots < 1299924107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at times like this you wonder how anyone with the slightest hint of rationality doesn't go around punching people. < 1299924117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question, right now it's because i'm tired < 1299924120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does tomorrow sound? < 1299924136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you know. that thing. < 1299924176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/g1r53/it_is_possible_to_translate_any_turing_machine/ < 1299924184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first comment is gold. < 1299924193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN MY DAY < 1299924201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using best ordering) < 1299924210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Something tells me that Turing would have been very fond of Wang had he lived into the 1960's..." < 1299924211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURF DURF < 1299924216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which is the top comment for you? < 1299924220 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the latter. < 1299924230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Try setting the sorting to best, it's quite good. < 1299924235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although RANDALL MUNROE made it so it sucks. < 1299924243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O NOES < 1299924244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doesn't that involve solving the halting problem? Isn't that impossible?" ;; hey, i've lost the ability to rage at this < 1299924256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Linked page says “[the halting problem] is highly undecidable” (emphasis mine). Can anyone explain to me what highly means, in that context? Isn’t a problem either decidable or undecidable?" IT'S LIQUIDS!!! < 1299924269 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's just a misunderstanding and jesus I really need to get going. < 1299924277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get going for what, DEATH?? < 1299924280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all get going for death. < 1299924312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god j_random_idiot has spoken again. < 1299924316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ojooojoijojiwerwerwerefwefwefwefjooijoijoifefwefewwefwewefojiijjiooijwfewefiojojiwefweiojjiwefewfjiojiowefwefjoiowefoijoiweffweojiojiwfewfejiowefojiwefojiwfeoijojiwfewefojioijwefioi < 1299924320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ohgod]h;'juklo\p[p]\ < 1299924320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ < 1299924328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no replies for me yet < 1299924341 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNINFORMED RUDENESS < 1299924347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that one < 1299924351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reply thread is better < 1299924358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g0d5g/breaking_news_html5css3_is_turing_complete/c1ker31 < 1299924363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fun game: try and find any meaning in this comment < 1299924376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Cook is the one who proved /rule 110/ TC.) < 1299924384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I almost googled "Cook html css turing".) < 1299924445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I continue goading him into saying "I daresay I know more about this than ais" and then pounce? < 1299924455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299924457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1299924466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a childish waste of time, even i've abandoned that alley since he didn't call me out on it :) < 1299924480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just stop bothering, i've totally got it covered by way of him ignoring me < 1299924499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: Oh. So you lied." <<< i did? < 1299924504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yep. < 1299924506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and forgot. < 1299924550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 04:48:58. < 1299924556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(clog time) < 1299924637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :) < 1299924740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i didn't make it a plan, but assumed i'll just happen to do it anyway? < 1299924750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it btw? < 1299924760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was a plan. and for it to work, you have to remember. < 1299924771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: 2007 < 1299924772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to rape you so you won't win the 50 pounds? < 1299924782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299924803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to... kill you so you won't win the 50 pounds? < 1299924807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299924816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no other ideas. < 1299924836 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299924839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame the tv < 1299924849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you will remember, on the day. and it will be glorious. < 1299924975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit qbasic has a repl < 1299924978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did fizzie never tell me. < 1299925011 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299925401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299925809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[misinformation about drugs kills infinitely more people than drugs themselves.]] < 1299925819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When that's in your opening line... < 1299925876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFINITELY more? < 1299925886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When that's in your opening line what :P < 1299925917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I severely question the sensibility of the rest of the essay. < 1299925923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFINITELY! < 1299925925 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE IS DEAD < 1299926115 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299926666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299926670 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299926690 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299926695 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299927874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299928653 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299928851 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299928866 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-79.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299928899 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Anywho, I actually wanted an ereader /primarily/ for reading. For anything else it wouldn't be worthwhile. < 1299929029 0 :aloril_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299929156 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299929890 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299930481 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299930759 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299930934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299931380 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299931772 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228063128.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299931882 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299931941 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133159.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299932054 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299932115 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299932694 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299933293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is my husband. His name is the Berlin Wall and he was born on August 13, 1961. I expect you've heard of him; he is quite a celebrity. He lives in Berlin. < 1299933295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to work in a pharmacy. Now I own a museum. My husband's job was to divide East and West Berlin. He is retired now." < 1299933298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual quote. < 1299933337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was very much a long distance romance as neither of us likes to travel." < 1299933538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THESE THINGS ARE NOT THINGS THAT I AM MAKING UP < 1299933571 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect she is joking to at least a degree. < 1299933592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: She changed her last name to Berliner-Mauer (Berlin Wall) after getting married to it. < 1299933593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1299933596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.berlinermauer.se/) < 1299933616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Animism is the belief that inanimate objects are sentient beings, i.e. they have intelligence, feelings, and are able to communicate. Animism is the foundation of objectum-sexuality. My belief in Animism is that artifacts (objects) have the same level of awareness as human beings. I don’t see them as superior beings, which is claimed in some encyclopedias and other literature. That I do NOT believe in. I see artifacts as equal to human beings, < 1299933616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : animals and plants." < 1299933636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We even made it through the terrible disaster of November 9, 1989, when my husband was subjected to frenzied attacks by a mob." < 1299933640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the best thing ever. < 1299933640 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...OK, she's nuts. < 1299933648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hilariously so. < 1299933657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Berlin Wall - Brandenburger Tor - 1989 and this will be the ONLY such picture on my site. I hate to see this disaster." < 1299934131 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1299934142 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol < 1299934232 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-1-78.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299934345 0 :MigoMipo__!~John@84-217-1-78.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299934414 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299934451 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking news: pokemon creator died in earthquake < 1299934579 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299934590 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@184.56.125.91.rb3.adsl.brightview.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299934601 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1299934639 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott: any progress on the Forth? < 1299934675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Yes, I'm taking a break from it to write an OS with significantly more than 510 bytes to it :-) < 1299934686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least I think I know how I'd do a compiler compactly with quite some space left over. < 1299934866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Any progress with yours? < 1299934948 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I've been ill so I've had a rough week. Planning to start again on Monday. < 1299935066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok. Hope you're feeling better soon etc. < 1299935072 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My MSP430 devboard hasn't arrived yet anyway. I've bought another couple of devboards too. It's amazing how many are under £10 on eBay. < 1299935095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That interpreter word you wrote -- how do you plan to actually execute it? Running it through the compiler (written in asm)? < 1299935097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precompiling it? < 1299935103 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's only toothache :-) At least that's what my girlfriend tells me. < 1299935109 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precompile it by hand < 1299935124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just have to think of the worst possible thing a toothache could be. < 1299935140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm seriously mistaken, toothaches can't be cancerous, so logic dictates that you're probably fine. < 1299935148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow I should sleep. < 1299935190 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is toothache, but with a jaw infection. I tried about a dozen different things but nothing killed the pain :-( < 1299935202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could get septicaemia from an abcess. < 1299935212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: What PH said! < 1299935213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*abscess < 1299935222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you're feeling better already. < 1299935233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, I swear I typed that before it turned out that was basically what you have. < 1299935243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the abscess part. < 1299935271 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299935296 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes feeling better. Most of the week I was trying to sleep alway the pain. Now I'm on a couple of antibiotics and painkillers it's not so bad :-) < 1299935305 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can concentrate again! ;-) < 1299935353 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299935353 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299935353 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299935491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, but you could have died the death of TUTANKHAMEN! < 1299935656 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully I didn't. I still have work to do. < 1299935684 0 :MigoMipo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299935774 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-78.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299937057 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299938957 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-kumnbpkjjhcsqggp JOIN :#esoteric < 1299939004 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm starting to think all programming language criticism boils down to "these two things should be next to each other, but aren't" < 1299939060 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem of course is that there are always multiple ways to sensible co-locate things < 1299939066 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sensibly < 1299939131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of leads to the idea of storing the program in a database, and reading/editing it under various views < 1299939146 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'll never work < 1299939176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: like TUNES to the max < 1299939188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUNES stores all the objects in fancy databases :P < 1299939195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just needs the code too < 1299939258 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly -- it'll never work ;) < 1299939310 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guido's talking about stuff, something about threads and callbacks, i'm not paying attention < 1299939320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, anti-TUNES slander. < 1299939325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I get to swat people for that. < 1299939346 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes is a useful, not existent, system < 1299939354 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*non-existent? < 1299939361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299939376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which two things? < 1299939393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hey, @ matches up with TUNES in almost every aspect in which TUNES has a solid vision, so clearly that's doomed too < 1299939400 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1299939404 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299939418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what do you mean by "these two things should be beside each other"? < 1299939447 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: for some two things x and y < 1299939461 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how should they be beside each other? < 1299939501 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: never mind < 1299939510 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO I WANT TO KNOW < 1299939527 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: program more. you'll figure it out < 1299939689 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "program" i mean, make changes to >20KLoc programs < 1299939710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing little elegant programs in scheme doesn't count < 1299939742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1299939791 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299939794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Making changes to >20 kloc programs doesn't sound like my idea of fun. < 1299939804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless they're written in Haskell maybe.) < 1299939817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But then it's probably a nuclear reactor if it's that long, and I don't want to touch one of them.) < 1299939824 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299939839 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299939917 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it usually isn't fun < 1299939932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the programming language criticism < 1299940116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd agree if you said that shallow criticism came down to that. At least I don't think you can argue asm vs. Haskell based on things being beside. < 1299940209 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.126.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299940209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299940213 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure they aren't just more abstract "things" that you want beside in that case. but i haven't thought about it much < 1299940233 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/90/ looks somewhat interesting < 1299940299 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: In entirely the wrong way, perhaps. < 1299940312 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a good thing! Only the best ideas survive the python-dev gauntlet!" < 1299940316 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the lowest-common-denominator ones. < 1299940357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like it could be interesting, because they are actually listing facts < 1299940376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well obviously i wouldn't be going to it to agree with that message. rather, to get a look into their thought/selection process. < 1299940409 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299940412 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they rejected *that*? for *that* reason? interesting..." < 1299940437 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well hey, Guido removed fold because "it confuses me and for loops are better". < 1299940441 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least it will be entertaining. < 1299940465 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still can't believe he didn't know that TCO != TRE.) < 1299940520 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what those mean either < 1299940550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total cost of ownership and thyroid response element < 1299940554 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299940555 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299940559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299940564 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299940570 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail-call optimisation and tail recursion elimination < 1299940575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1299940576 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acronyms don't matter, knowing that the latter != the former does < 1299940586 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guido thought that TCO was useless because "you can just use a for loop" < 1299940590 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is true for TRE only, ofc < 1299940609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299940639 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all python idiots think that < 1299940677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty ridiculous argument, yes < 1299940693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it's because he's confusing the terms though < 1299940703 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was < 1299940705 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in the next post he was like < 1299940712 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"o, i see, so tco is where you do MUTUAL things < 1299940715 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[shows example of mutual recursion] < 1299940723 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was skooled on this, didn't know, lol, not that i'm gonna change my mind" < 1299940727 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly embarrassing < 1299940738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. okay. < 1299940806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Producing such code instead of a standard call sequence is called tail call elimination, or tail call optimization. < 1299940808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1299940811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh call < 1299940815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore that, was a bit too hasty < 1299940818 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299940855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail recursion elimination can't really be misunderstood, but tail call optimization sounds a bit more ambiguous < 1299940872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1299940877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatevs < 1299940924 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i like r5rs' solution to this, just says "when you do tail calls, the implementation has to behave exactly like it has an infinite stack" :D < 1299940947 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also its approach to memory management is "Scheme is defined assuming infinite memory, and objects are never freed, you can optimise that if you want tho" < 1299941021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that's always the case in high-level languages? erm, except python. and probably others < 1299941051 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python doesn't even have a spec :P < 1299941056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299941059 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno about haskell, i think it's too abstract to even talk about memory ;D < 1299941072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainlyw < 1299941076 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but r5rs' wording is a bit more blunt about it than i would expect most others to be < 1299941077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-w < 1299941114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a course on ml and hol soon btw. if you still care about that stuff. < 1299941117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1299941125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you care, that may be almost interesting news :) < 1299941137 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ml doesn't really have much to do with hol, but yeah sure < 1299941139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then i'll learn to love it < 1299941142 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually used hol < 1299941149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can use hol to prove ml programs correct < 1299941149 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a theorem prover, so yeah < 1299941156 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1299941179 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML's a decent language, it has some warts and it's not as overall coherent as Haskell, but some parts are nicer. < 1299941186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah maybe i should've said just hol < 1299941187 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hol is cool because every theorem prover is cool :) < 1299941200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299941407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so gonna prove that something's true < 1299941484 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i prefer proving things that are false. < 1299941531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an eye for them challenges right < 1299941787 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wut < 1299942274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :them challenges being the provings of them false things < 1299942358 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-93.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299942373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299942421 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: rite < 1299942913 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you there? < 1299943786 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299943828 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299945554 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed: < 1299945555 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : charlesap@[redacted] < 1299945555 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message will be retried for 2 more day(s) < 1299945556 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. < 1299945591 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Pingol. < 1299945956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299945958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299945958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299946053 0 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299946055 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299946099 0 :Zuu_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zuu < 1299946964 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lady Gaga's approach to clothing seems like hacking to me." --rms < 1299946970 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299947138 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299947166 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299947383 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299947488 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130125.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299947503 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299947586 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299947587 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299947712 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299949506 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299949973 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299949975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299949975 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299950180 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299950257 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299950348 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299950488 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | max(X, Y) -> Y. < 1299950613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299950613 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | ^show cho < 1299950614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299950615 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | For programming or not, there is many things discussed in this channel < 1299950913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo? < 1299950957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1299951012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1299951112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever lived next to a microwave and a fridge? it's awesome < 1299951119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, sounds nie < 1299951120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1299951493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also live on top of an armchair, but i that's probably not at all uncommon < 1299951583 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, in fact. < 1299951602 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit more problematic living next to a 48" TV in addition to that. < 1299951607 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And several game consoles. < 1299951611 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the space of a dorm room. < 1299951671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put the tv on the floor and walk on it PROBLEM SOLVED??? < 1299951688 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1299951792 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-gxoyqsffomuuqfgr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299951810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed there is many things discussed here < 1299951824 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :実。 < 1299951832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manifold things < 1299951936 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this environment is making me want to design a production language & that makes me sad < 1299951941 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily i leave tomorrow < 1299951946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESCAPE < 1299951992 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not making me want to build a python library, upload it to pypi, and promote it shamelessly < 1299952027 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it sort of is but that's easier to deal with < 1299952055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: make a binding to haskell, it'll annoy EVERYONE! < 1299952082 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean < 1299952140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i don't know, but it'll upset the pythonistas < 1299952177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess something that lets you write haskell.run_io(haskell.eval("putStrLn").call(Thunk(lambda: haskell.make_string("Hello, world!")))) < 1299952316 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand how people think < 1299952323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: badly < 1299952404 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The goal of the project: [...] 3. Not a goal per se, but I wanted [...] < 1299952411 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted it, it was a goal < 1299952473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: now we're all stuck in a quote. < 1299952478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a pythonista, no less. < 1299952531 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1299952531 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299952537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew* < 1299952558 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's a misquote and *I'm* buggin' < 1299952570 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The quote problems are NEVR over. < 1299952593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299952602 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, you are good. < 1299952645 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Python/2.5 <-- Python is a package for Python. < 1299952647 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299952652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299952652 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" " < 1299952662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :what: < 1299952666 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— #esoteric < 1299952681 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Quotes are the least of your problems. < 1299952683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1299952686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I like how it explains Python in depth. < 1299952698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if you liked Python, why not try Python, an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming language [...] < 1299952716 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( " ' [ { < < 1299952754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> } ] ' " ) < 1299952755 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `}' < 1299952804 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) BWAHAHA < 1299952838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1299952853 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, you must go back in time! < 1299952877 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone loan me a time machine? < 1299952948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather isn't done yet, you fool! < 1299953141 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a language where all parens must be unmatched. This would make annoying-looking code. < 1299953162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorta kinda like nopol :P < 1299953171 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imah call it ']' < 1299953182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1299953196 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1299953251 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I make the language, I will paste programs here and wreck unprecedented havoc. < 1299953433 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]{}<>() would be 8 commands, so ] would be a good BF variant... but i'm going for something more original. < 1299953590 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, apparently being a pythonista causes you to forget that '**' is a workaround for environments where you are not able to depict an actual superscript. < 1299953597 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slides are not such an environmen < 1299953598 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1299953628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299953635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notation hipster < 1299953727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299953888 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, a talk on continuous deployment which didn't really address any of the hard issues about continuous deployment < 1299953913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deploy to a few machines first in case theres a regression" was about it < 1299953921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: continuous deployment and continuous integration sound like they should be much better concepts than they are < 1299953931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking every single fraction of a diff is integrated and deployed < 1299953932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, neither is actually continuous < 1299953938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you only change one character < 1299953946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ends up integrating half-a-character change < 1299953950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be beautiful and make no sense. < 1299953952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"frequent integration" doesn't sound sexy enough < 1299953975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that... is... beautiful nonsense < 1299953986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Sorta kinda like nopol :P" toi has that ({} thing < 1299954006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes. i eagerly await your esolang based on the noise. < 1299954032 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh, mistranslated prepositions... "waiting on a friend" < 1299954034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so about Clue ;D < 1299954043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um that sounds ~right to me < 1299954066 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwwmmkmkmkmkgwwwmmmwmmmm < 1299954073 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: really? isn't waiting "on" people what a waiter does? < 1299954084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. < 1299954096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can definitely wait on an event and/or person < 1299954096 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd generally be more likely to wait *for* a friend < 1299954108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting on your friend means you're on top of your friend, waiting for something < 1299954130 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, didn't know 'on' worked like that too < 1299954134 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I've seen that < 1299954170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1299954170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, "on" can mean "on" sometimes < 1299954174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is wrong :P < 1299954179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and you'd generally be more likely to wait *for* a friend < 1299954180 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is funny < 1299954186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm what? i'm certainly not wrong < 1299954188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, yeah, i have a commit to do that, but I'm waiting on dfgjiodfg to approve it" < 1299954205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well. yes it's technically correct, it could mean that. no, nobody has ever, or will ever, say that and mean that :) < 1299954260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well after saying "on top of a friend" a few hundred times, it gets kinda annoying. < 1299954319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are you waiting on a table or a shelf btw?" "neither, actually, i'm waiting on a friend" < 1299954483 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299954569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you can "cheer someone on", in a race, you can naturally also "wait someone on" in a race, waiting can be encouraging < 1299954579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure wait on a friend is very natural then < 1299954585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why not < 1299954613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: should I even bother getting rtk3, or should I just buy rtk1 and rtk3 later if I feel the need? < 1299954615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why are you waiting?" "my friend is running a marathon, so we're all waiting him on" "oh, waiting on a friend i see, i'll join ya" < 1299954617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moneys ;\ < 1299954657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should write an english a learn it book < 1299954747 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RTK3 isn't particularly necessary. < 1299954775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yah, but I save on shipping if I buy it now, so if I'm *likely* to find it useful, I'd like to buy it now ... < 1299954795 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the time you're done with RTK1, you'll be automatically decomposing kanji and memorising them that way, so it's not like you'll be using it for anything more than a list of kanji Heisig felt were important. < 1299954815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: should i maybe buy a golden cape for when i become the king of the universe? < 1299954830 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: NO! < 1299954834 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Only iridium! < 1299954858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright. i'm just wondering since i'm buying a pizza and it's easier to buy those two together than to go to the shop twice < 1299954872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: How long will it take me to be done with RTK1 anyway? :-P That is, define "done". < 1299954887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "done" by your definition = a few weeks, I'd prefer to get RTK3 now. If it's more like a month or two by your definition, I'll get it later. < 1299954890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I do at all.) < 1299954900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: will it take me long to finish the pizza btw? would be nice to get to that king stuff as quickly as possible < 1299954913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why am i doing this < 1299954919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: why am i doing this? < 1299954921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: SHIPPING COSTS K < 1299954935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bewks are not cheep o'er 'ere. < 1299954977 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Month or two. < 1299955003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rite, i'll just buy rtrkjtkrtjkrtkrtjkrtkjrktjkrjtkrtk11111111111111111111 then < 1299955011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey free shipping if i get it from amazon < 1299955013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\\BEST DAY//// < 1299955024 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-izduftxfcfnsfwsu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299955079 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say I'm waiting for dfgjiodfg to approve it, but *it* is waiting *on* dfgjiodfg's approval < 1299955079 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ol' dfgjiodfg < 1299955095 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it occurs to me that i've never bootstrapped a compiler for a high-level language < 1299955119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: PIXLEY! given a specialiser. < 1299955123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that doesn't even vaguely count. < 1299955130 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int is 12 bytes in python. jeez < 1299955135 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*takes up < 1299955139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares :) < 1299955178 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was more surprised when i thought it was 12 bits < 1299955178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at the risk of mentioning one thing TOO MUCH in too short a span of days, first quote from http://prog21.dadgum.com/39.html is relevant) < 1299955235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299955252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what's the good and bad std for snes roms again. istr something like that. so complicated. < 1299955256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is goodsnes the one that's the bads < 1299955328 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pulled in too many different directions now < 1299955343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: like python!! what? < 1299955355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ooh, ooh, bootstrap a compiler for a python subset. to maximise self-hatred. < 1299955371 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoodSNES is terrible. < 1299955383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what's the good one. < 1299955388 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NoIntro. < 1299955435 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: icould skip a step and just hate rpython, it wdoul save time < 1299955442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi non-woking keyboard i missed you < 1299955457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: tinypy is more what i was thinking. < 1299955459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bootstrapped too. < 1299955491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hmm, nice, europe vs. usa versions of the same game, that's... so easy to decide :D < 1299955531 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Right_bracket ) < 1299955559 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imah make examples now. < 1299955568 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299955595 0 :GregorOpMonger!~RawIRC@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299955600 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o GregorOpMonger < 1299955613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just protecting a scarce resource :P < 1299955622 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299955628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: How big is that torrent of aaaaaaaaaaaaaall the SNES games? :P < 1299955828 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so,the productive suffixes of fans of programming languages: "-ista", "-ist", and "-er" at least < 1299955846 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Something like 8 gigs? < 1299955846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want there to be a "-nik" but i will be disappointed < 1299955854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "Haskellnik" < 1299955876 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris. did my friend find you? < 1299955907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lord. < 1299955927 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i gather from your statement that you told a friend of yours who is at PyCon that I am at PyCon and that he or she should look for me < 1299955940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Hmm, I can only find 2.6 gigs... < 1299955946 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gather from your statement she did not < 1299955951 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I seriously overestimated. < 1299955959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://torrentz.eu/6a74b187e40ef0414b52588eb3d1a36b47f3f97a < 1299955961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. :p < 1299955966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh. < 1299955967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No trackers. < 1299955986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Oh, there's this smaller one: http://torrentz.eu/f525add4936c1b11853b5a96247a98961ced6dda but I know not what "(merged)" means there. < 1299955992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also seederless. < 1299955999 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: does your friend have any interest in esolangs? < 1299956027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: BAND TOGETHER AND OVERTHROW PYCON < 1299956034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect coup < 1299956039 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ruby is an esolang, right? < 1299956049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /ragequit < 1299956050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy. < 1299956069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO CPRESSEY < 1299956071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVING A FUN TIME? < 1299956094 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299956110 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your pizza and beer at the tip bof < 1299956113 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bai < 1299956115 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun was not expected... i'm surviving, that's all i ask < 1299956118 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no beer < 1299956124 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to otganizatre < 1299956127 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*organizer < 1299956130 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thx < 1299956135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what kind of insanity made you think this was in any way something you could do? < 1299956161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I conclude you got them from a wizard. < 1299956187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: long story < 1299956197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: boring! < 1299956202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many kazoos does it involve? < 1299956217 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably be attending 2 other conferences this year, both very different -- more academic < 1299956262 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hose won't be for work < 1299956264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theoretical BDSM" and "The Python-induced Crippling Alcoholism Support Group". < 1299956301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ;_; < 1299956305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizardry should be illegal. < 1299956432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: what do you think of wizardry? < 1299956432 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://zem.fi/~fis/cont.png -- none of those look very non-essential to me. Although I'm not quite sure what "Program handler" does. < 1299956627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh well", I'm sure 20080712 is new enough. < 1299956644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299956646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No seeders. < 1299956653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woe's me. < 1299956724 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed that when i have irssi running, when a talk gets dry, i can't concentrate on it < 1299956740 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well most of these could be compressed to 10 minutes anyway < 1299956806 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1299956812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea for an esolang < 1299956827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomgz! < 1299956839 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the sky? blue. < 1299956890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1299956892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg clone http://hg.python.org/cpython/ < 1299956896 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1299956900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why. < 1299956902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, cpressey, why. < 1299956924 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make random changes to it < 1299956934 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1299956938 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to saturate the network < 1299956947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: please tell me you're going to crash some ad-hoc meetup where they're sharing code and go all "oh this doesn't work in my cpython" < 1299956948 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a plausibly innocent act < 1299956953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's because you've added a prng to every damn function < 1299956961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing does what it's supposed to any more < 1299956978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* ONE DAY i'll go to python conferences ON MY VERY OWN and prank them all. < 1299956982 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't have that in mind but i will admit it is brilliant < 1299957032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i installed the included batteries backwards" < 1299957036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299957052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the re module? yeah, a bunch of functions for Religious Education... this _is_ a library after all < 1299957085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well what did you *expect* 2.0 + 2.0 to give apart from 5? this is floating point you know, it's imprecise!" < 1299957113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: WHY ARE YOU THE BAD < 1299957122 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point gonna float < 1299957163 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is optbot a bot < 1299957164 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: as a toggle marker < 1299957171 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it might be fizzie < 1299957173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: um yes. he used to be here a while back. < 1299957175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i revived him. < 1299957177 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299957180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it sets the topic every 6 hours < 1299957183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also when you say "optbot!" < 1299957184 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is not ransom < 1299957188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also replies to mentions of its name. < 1299957194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all messages come from random log entries < 1299957203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was what inspired fungot's babble generator. < 1299957203 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a yucca clone might be nice to them. < 1299957227 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it written in? < 1299957236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: um. < 1299957239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be ruby. < 1299957243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time it's... python BUT < 1299957245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a DEFENCE < 1299957254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to think of the language most amusingly unsuited to the task at hand < 1299957261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rejected Fortran and J for just being WAY TOO MUCH OF A PAIN < 1299957265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I picked the next best thing, Python < 1299957350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think cpressey is still judging me. < 1299957359 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ett's ssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee if mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy hg clone makes any progres by time this tkis over < 1299957373 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299957378 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-95.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299957380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your keyboard. it's impressive. < 1299957386 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should come here, give talk on it < 1299957404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299957410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect the keyboard driver for this laptop in ubuntu is not perfect < 1299957411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def random_line(): < 1299957412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : line = random.choice(lines) < 1299957412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return re.sub(r'^[a-zA-Z\\[\]\\`_^{|}][a-zA-Z0-9\\[\]\\`_^{|}]+:\s+', '', line) < 1299957413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pythonic. < 1299957631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail's keyboard shortcuts are awesome. < 1299957667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> f = { 2.0: 'k' } < 1299957667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> f[2.0] < 1299957667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'k' < 1299957671 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pythonic < 1299957705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1299957946 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f[2] is also 'k' < 1299958048 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, i have cpython src now < 1299958056 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configuring and building this puppppp < 1299958061 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pupppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp < 1299958067 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*puppy < 1299958144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a python->pixley compiler!!198379328 < 1299958150 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1299958158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1299958158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o GregorOpMonger < 1299958163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1299958169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: INJUSTICE < 1299958170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAN OERJAN < 1299958184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o Gregor < 1299958200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1299958208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that got a little out of hand. < 1299958210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Y U NO FUN? < 1299958219 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glumpwhenge < 1299958227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what < 1299958241 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardwire my monkeypatch < 1299958247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1299958260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: quick, change the lexer to parse { as INDENT and } as DEDENT < 1299958263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ignore whitespace < 1299958281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then add a semicolon at the end of the statement rule < 1299958356 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 3.3a0 (default:9e70e818d434, Mar 12 2011, 14:13:12) < 1299958356 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[GCC 4.4.3] on linux2 < 1299958359 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"woot" < 1299958400 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking through source dir for interesting source file to modify < 1299958424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: excuse me i just gave you the best ideas? < 1299958434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also swap [] and (), just because. < 1299958445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if hello == 4: { < 1299958454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print["good morning", "abc"(2)]; < 1299958458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print["goodbye"];}; < 1299958465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten times better already < 1299958491 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fine. syntax. < 1299958509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes. the most boring part of an esolang. < 1299958515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(&#&)@^ have to modify both the grammar and the parser??? < 1299958518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also the easiest, and who wants to waste time on python < 1299958520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I doubt it < 1299958525 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's what it says < 1299958536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299958538 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might think i want to do a more than trivial change < 1299958569 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna start small < 1299958576 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changed the syntax for newstyle classes to < 1299958583 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Foo[Bar]: < 1299958592 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what happens < 1299958607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm joining in the fun too < 1299958635 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it can't even finish building because it tries to load existing python code, looks like < 1299958645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: just add it as an alternative >:D < 1299958658 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299958662 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "", line 1 < 1299958662 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : class CacheInfo(tuple): < 1299958662 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1299958662 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1299958685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq pikhq pikhq < 1299958760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott elliott elliott < 1299958786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHENCE DO I ILLEGALLY PROCURE AT A SPEED GREATER THAN THAT OF A TORTOISE THIS MYSTICAL COLLECTION, FOR THE BITS, THEY RUN TRY EVERYWHERE THE GOOGLES CAN LOCATE < 1299958813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REMEMBER NOT < 1299958835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FFFFFFFFF < 1299958846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shoot me Chrono Trigger or something so I can test this bsnes build? :-P < 1299958859 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "", line 1 < 1299958860 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : class CacheInfo(tuple): < 1299958860 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1299958860 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1299958865 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1299958882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor cacheinfo < 1299958886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> class Foo*: < 1299958886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a = 1 < 1299958887 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299958887 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal Python error: Non-statement found: -13824 8308512 < 1299958887 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aborted < 1299958893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299958899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added an '*' alternate to the grammar < 1299958902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: THIS IS SO MUCH FUN < 1299958910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: embed HQ9+ < 1299958921 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop making such good suggestions! < 1299958937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299958943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok here's a bad one < 1299958945 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll go to the ast talk after all < 1299958946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: embed Funge-98! < 1299958951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's like < 1299958953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best suggestion < 1299958956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unfortunately, the most difficult. < 1299958970 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in docstrings? but that would be so cheating < 1299958975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299958976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the raw code < 1299958977 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no < 1299958980 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299958981 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299958986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're lame. lamest. < 1299958989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximising lame! < 1299958990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299958998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1299959000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lexer is insane < 1299959001 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually < 1299959010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yield_expr: 'yield' [testlist] < 1299959010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299959012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make this < 1299959019 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be easier here than in a non-offside-rule langauge < 1299959021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| 'dleiy' [testlist] < 1299959023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work. < 1299959032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: python isn't really offside rule though in the way haskell is < 1299959046 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i only mean, it cares more about the column than, say, ruby does < 1299959063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299959068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! < 1299959070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure && make -j3 < 1299959099 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what does the * do? < 1299959125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: here's an idea. < 1299959136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every function call f(x,y,z) becomes x.__getfunc__('f')(y, z) < 1299959144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :object.__getfunc__('f') just returns the global symbol f by default. < 1299959154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless f is an attribute of this object and a function < 1299959156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: make cpython crash, apparently < 1299959157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it returns that < 1299959169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so f(x,y,z) == x.f(y,z) if f is defined on x < 1299959185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and f(x,y,z) and f(x',y,z) can behave totally differently according to x and x''s whims!! < 1299959189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL. < 1299959202 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus hrist < 1299959212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a fuckin' visionary < 1299959238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> dleiy 3 < 1299959239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "", line 1 < 1299959239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: 'yield' outside function < 1299959239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitching. < 1299959282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suite: simple_stmt | NEWLINE INDENT stmt+ DEDENT | NEWLINE '{' stmt+ '}' < 1299959289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1299959307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, had to make twice to get it to recompile < 1299959357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurg need to shut down again battery gasping < 1299959361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, doesn't work, oh well < 1299959376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So disappointed in you. SO disappointed < 1299959415 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1299959572 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VWFCAOgti6g/TXqUxvpr9lI/AAAAAAAACdQ/mdX79YsluRY/s1600/google_vintage.jpg < 1299959634 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299961034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *sob* < 1299961095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this sobbing, there's a person at the centre of this sobbing, who doesn't care, that person is pikhq, folks < 1299961198 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299961203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sob. < 1299961206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1299961209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is an evil space demon < 1299961279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :悪宇宙鬼？ < 1299961333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1299961347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bsnes compile remains UNTESTED, my computer's performance UNCERTAIN. < 1299961357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All because of evil space demons. < 1299961386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they clearly had to think of something that could top that earthquake they made < 1299961394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. evil pikhq. < 1299961410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fukushima-Daiichi reactor explosion. < 1299961453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appears to have just affected an outer wall. Still, eeek. < 1299961481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd expect the japanese to take some care while building reactors. < 1299961496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. They didn't expect a 9.0. < 1299961496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ONE MEASLY LITTLE ROM < 1299961498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BET YOU'RE A < 1299961499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1299961506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TOOL OF BIG COPYRIGHT < 1299961508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH IS NOW A THING < 1299961512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SO TIRED) < 1299961517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um this is JAPAN. how could they not expect it. < 1299961525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because japan doesn't get 9.0. < 1299961532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What, one of the largest earthquakes ever? < 1299961540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actualy 8.8-8.9 but w/e < 1299961552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Significantly larger than it was previously believed *possible* to get there? < 1299961559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1299961569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1299961576 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really should expect the largest earthquake ever, because they regularly get those < 1299961582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so pikhq is an undercover agent of the MPAA. < 1299961584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... for software. < 1299961618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, time to write a compiler backend from desugared Algol 60 syntax trees, minus recursive data types or any sort of memory allocation, but including recursion, to hardware: 2 days < 1299961638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite proud of that, although it explains why you haven't heard much from me recently < 1299961641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the largest earthquake to ever hit Japan... < 1299961650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the world record < 1299961669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.5. < 1299961674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this guy in finland who SWEARS he once felt the earth move a bit < 1299961696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally ask random people for the rom except i distinctly recall asking before and only pikhq had it >:) < 1299961699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was big news some years back, i hear < 1299961715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1299961733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one damn exciting country < 1299961763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this one time it rained so much there was a 5x5 meter pond outside, pretty insane < 1299961775 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Skåne_County_earthquake < 1299961781 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden has earthquakes too! < 1299961785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1299961790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i thought finland had plenty of water... < 1299961809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well yes but not disasterous INTERESTING water < 1299961851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure pikhq caused the tsunami. < 1299961888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway isn't actually earthquake territory either. on some outlying islands they sometimes feel a bit, i think. < 1299961897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exactly < 1299961902 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-joabifsvgwoftjbj JOIN :#esoteric < 1299961909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also this one time it rained so much there was a 5x5 meter pond outside, pretty insane <-- for some reason that implies to me that the pond was exactly square < 1299961912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would indeed be insane < 1299961916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Oresund Bridge between Sweden and Denmark was investigated for cracks and other problems but nothing was found." holy SHIT, and here i thought scandinavia was a safe place < 1299961917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no it was his mom taking a dive < 1299961922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap. < 1299961937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, a bridge was almost damaged < 1299961937 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured out what class Foo*: should mean. it should mean that Foo inherits from itself. < 1299961950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that operation actually do anything, though? < 1299961952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you are truly a great visionary of our time < 1299961956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Minecraftian pond. < 1299961962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd cause the equivalent of super() to go into an infinite loop, and make no difference the rest of the time < 1299961973 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONCEPTUALLY IT IS PERFECTLY WELL DEFINED < 1299961976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he's hacking up cpython, he can do whatever he wants! < 1299961985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that makes perfect sense in an esolang < 1299961992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: minecraftian ponds in the real world would be rather lovecraftian. despite being euclidean. < 1299961993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, like Python < 1299961996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like Claudio Calvelli's unary division < 1299962051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defined as (x / (x >> 2)), which nearly always returns 2 except for when there are rounding errors) < 1299962075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... IIRC, the behaviour is "normally return 2, except occasionally return 3 or crash" < 1299962092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299962097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best function ever < 1299962134 0 :cpressey_!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-yiuourgjgfbjdmpx JOIN :#esoteric < 1299962145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299962174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi, why 2? < 1299962208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x>>2 = x/4 < 1299962215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you shoud know < 1299962215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I meant x >> 1 < 1299962218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299962220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said the wrong thing < 1299962221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299962223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1299962227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all unary ops in INTERCAL are op(x, x>>1) < 1299962241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually used these silly operators, because bits are so 50's < 1299962248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except there's some sort of rotation involved too < 1299962250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I forgot to allow for < 1299962254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm confused < 1299962254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i figured maybe i don't understand how they work < 1299962271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: TriINTERCAL uses trits instead, and unary division is well-defined there too < 1299962276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although still pretty useless < 1299962307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (x>>1) | ((x&1) << 31) ? < 1299962325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I just looked it up < 1299962334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally does a pure rightshift in inconsistency to the rest of the INTERCAL < 1299962339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can change it to a rotation with a compiler option < 1299962343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to the rest of the INTERCAL operators < 1299962359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CLC-INTERCAL 1.-94.-4 introduced a new unary operator, division. This differs from normal unary operators because it is arithmetic, not bitwise. The operation is as follows: the operand is shifted right arithmetically, then the original value is divided by the result of the shift and truncated to an integer. Note that the most frequent result is the base, since a right shift is equivalent to a division by the base, truncating the result to an < 1299962361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer. For example, in base 5, unary division of #62 is #62 divided by #12, which just happens to be #5. However, the operation can also return other values, for example in base 5 unary division of #12 is #6. And of course any value smaller than the base produces a division by zero splat. A compiler option, bitwise-divide, changes the unary division to behave like a normal unary operation, performing a bitwise rotate of its operand and so on. You < 1299962362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can figure out what it does. < 1299962399 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hasn't somebody written fuse-hg yet >_> < 1299962400 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299962421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz hg sux < 1299962427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously! < 1299962446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12/2 == 6, hm < 1299962455 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEP 336: "Make None Callable" < 1299962466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AFAICT there's no good gitfs either. < 1299962472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just sgfs < 1299962475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wat. < 1299962486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x `div` (x `div` 2) | x <- [1..]] < 1299962486 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [*Exception: divide by zero < 1299962489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This PEP is rejected. It is considered a feature that None raises < 1299962490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : an error when called. The proposal falls short in tests for < 1299962490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : obviousness, clarity, explictness, and necessity. The provided Switch < 1299962490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : example is nice but easily handled by a simple lambda definition. < 1299962490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : See python-dev discussion on 17 June 2005. < 1299962493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x `div` (x `div` 2) | x <- [2..]] < 1299962494 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,... < 1299962494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in the "myopic language improvement suggestions" talk < 1299962506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (/= 2) $ [x `div` (x `div` 2) | x <- [2..]] < 1299962510 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1299962510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not very much 3 there... < 1299962514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1299962516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should at least produce [3, < 1299962546 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you get sgfs working, I will switch Hackiki to Scape🐐 < 1299962555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, 2 / (2 / 2) is 1 < 1299962557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DONE. < 1299962561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [2,3,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,... < 1299962563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a 3 there < 1299962567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should produce [3, before timing out < 1299962568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by definition < 1299962573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i added was a filter < 1299962573 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299962577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure 2/2/2 is 1 < 1299962581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, 2 < 1299962592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 3 / (3 / 2) is 3 if you use integer division < 1299962600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your points are rather floaty today < 1299962600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 / (1 / 2) is divide-by-zero < 1299962633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1:let f x = f (x+1) in f 1 < 1299962637 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I completed making a chess program with TeX. http://sprunge.us/QSWX http://sprunge.us/MdJW http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_13/texchess1.png < 1299962651 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, I have no idea what the conceptual advantage of Scape🐐 is over any other VCS :P < 1299962652 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the pieces is a bit too small? < 1299962653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1299962654 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hiding flow control inside of macros is a bad idea" -- raymond chen < 1299962659 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299962660 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1299962661 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : thread killed < 1299962663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it generate the annotations itself? < 1299962666 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor, really, what concept is unique to Scape🐐 at all. < 1299962667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1299962676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's FRACTAL. < 1299962681 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No. < 1299962681 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that character after Scape? < 1299962687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: C-INTERCAL not only hides flow control inside macros, but hides it inside a postprocessor < 1299962690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Explaining it more in-depth has been known to put people who aren't me and ais523 to sleep, so I won't bother. < 1299962690 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Mandelbrot is dead. < 1299962692 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does parse the moves itself and draw the board itself. < 1299962694 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nice, I guess he uses only inline-assembly for control flow then < 1299962713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1:let f x = f (x+1 :: Double) in f 1 < 1299962714 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ever hide anything ever < 1299962723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The end effect is that it does merging properly :P < 1299962726 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1299962726 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1299962728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And branching. < 1299962752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it's just that lambdabot doesn't produce anything if it times out before filling the output buffer < 1299962754 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How properly is "properly" :P ... I mean, neither git nor hg SUCK at branching and merging, though there's always room for improvement. < 1299962775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, is it just that my attention span is so variable that it's impossible to tell if I'm paying attention or not? < 1299962789 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you want to see what the TeX chess generates, look at the example source file, everything not typed in the example file but is shown in the picture, is the things it makes by itself. < 1299962790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Err, I meant people who aren't either me or you < 1299962792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: git and hg both have a "dumb" view of the repository: they just see it as a bunch of trees stuck together. All the knowledge of patches is hacked on to this. < 1299962807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is inherently more limited than scapegoat, which keeps track more than just the textual content of lines changed in its patches. < 1299962811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, I was trying to figure out why I'd been singled out as an exception? < 1299962820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because you're the one who explained it to me < 1299962823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I assume you didn't put yourself to sleep < 1299962825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, is Scape a sort of easier-to-implement version of Scapegoat? < 1299962831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't noticed the name connection < 1299962835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no < 1299962839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's scape[unicode goat character] < 1299962843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame Gregor :) < 1299962855 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem < 1299962856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1299962858 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's usually who i blame < 1299962863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I call Scape🐐 Scape🐐 because Unicode goat > Unicode 'g' 'o' 'a' 't' :P < 1299962865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that character isn't parsed by my client < 1299962870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor mine < 1299962881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then your clients suck ... mine can't render it, but it knows that it's there :P < 1299962887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Basically, instead of having patch operations like "insert STRING between STRING and STRING in FILE", it has "insert STRING between CHANGE and CHANGE". < 1299962899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it doesn't even figure out the encoding correctly < 1299962903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything that hides anything anywhere sucks < 1299962909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Each file has its own SOF and EOF changes. < 1299962920 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client does display the unicode correctly but I have no font to display it. < 1299962934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: does this guy prefer copy paste over functions? < 1299962948 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "insert STRING between CHANGE and CHANGE" <-- more details plx < 1299962966 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: raymond chen? i have no idea; that quote influenced someone else to reject a proposed feature < 1299962975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear raymond chen is awesome but i forget who he is < 1299962980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Change := start of file | end of file | insert string between change and change | replace change with string | delete change | move (change,change) between (change,change) < 1299962984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1299962987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the old new thing < 1299963000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Basically, sg changes have a very trivial merging algorithm (topographically sort each change by its dependencies (changes it mentions), apply in order; if a patch fails, there is a conflict), that can trivially be shown to never "do the wrong thing". < 1299963002 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say i wanted to remember < 1299963020 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When trying to look up "Raymond Chen" in Wikipedia I get "MSDN Blogs". So maybe that is who Raymond Chen is. < 1299963025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is < 1299963025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Basically, < 1299963030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A line is identified by the change that creates it. < 1299963045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So consider "insert 'hello' between (SOF,EOF)". Call this change . < 1299963046 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is "The Old New Thing", according to Wikipedia. < 1299963051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indeed < 1299963053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Let's say you turned this file into 'hello\ngoodbye'. < 1299963053 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh this is painful (not the talk, it's interesting, it's what it's making me think about language design < 1299963055 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm starting to conceptualize it here ... in a sense the repository ends up forming an (implicit) lattice instead of a tree. < 1299963062 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for elliott's benefit: ) < 1299963062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The corresponding change is "insert 'goodbye' between (,EOF)". < 1299963069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the better MSDN blogs < 1299963085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (In practice, you give a hash to every change and identify changes with that.) < 1299963093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: heh, those unbalanced parens were worrying me too < 1299963112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Changes can also be a set of changes, and in fact the change "changeset {c1,c2}" produces a merge of c1 and c2. < 1299963117 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: is that a talk available online somewhere? < 1299963127 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And so, you don't create false dependencies just because you happened to make a change in one branch, even though it applies to all branches. < 1299963136 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it might be, in the future, but i can't find them online yet < 1299963141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, maybe ais523 knows because he's slept :) < 1299963159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The same basic principle with changes on files is applied to directories, except that since directories are unordered, you say "insert into ". < 1299963164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can be e.g. an empty directory itself. < 1299963182 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I frequently fix something in hg, then go "aww shit I fixed it in branch but I should have put it in default so that things will merge properly" ... but your changes aren't assigned to "branches", they're just assigned to dependent changes, so fixes like that wouldn't be so affixed to the branch you happened to be working in. < 1299963201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes, it avoids the problem where a VCS doesn't have enough context to know what a chain means < 1299963203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, in fact with scapegoat there's not much of an explicit concept of a branch... < 1299963204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*change menas < 1299963207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*change means < 1299963211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact all possible changes platonically exist in every repository :-) < 1299963221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the One Big Repository has shitloads of branches.) < 1299963224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition's done the other way round, a branch is defined by which changes you happen to allow into it < 1299963228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is just what you whitelist. < 1299963233 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I would hope that you could label a set of changes in some way, then call that a "branch", just for human convenience. < 1299963243 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Although like I was saying above, if it's a lattice then conceptually there's a shitload of branches. < 1299963247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This can also be extended to language-aware changes -- consider "insert argument between and ", where y and z are arguments to some application. < 1299963258 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1299963260 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1299963284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This would produce totally kickass merging, but it would be a pain to get the mode resilient :P < 1299963294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But really you shouldn't be committing invalid code.) < 1299963296 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you two are talking about but it is awesome, please continue < 1299963301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Scapegoat!!!!! < 1299963313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Scape🐐) < 1299963329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW most of this stuff are ais523's ideas, I just kept prodding him with questions until I had a vision of a coherent system in my head :P < 1299963332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*almost all of < 1299963333 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say i wanted to know < 1299963342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Unfortunately I must tell you everything. < 1299963343 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, so I was told :P < 1299963371 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You realize of course that now that I'm starting to have some conceptualization of it, I'll go implement it and trounce your implementation and you'll go "awwww no" < 1299963380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeaaah, good luck with that. < 1299963390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There is a lot more :P < 1299963400 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturalismo :P < 1299963406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, in a theoretical platonic model, you can define a branch as a predicate that takes a patch and returns whether it's in the branch or not. < 1299963421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whether this is feasible or even useful in an actual implementation is up for debate.) < 1299963469 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a correctness criterion for said predicate, namely that if it evaluates to true for change X, it evaluates to true for all parents of X, and as a result I question the value of defining it so abstractly. < 1299963473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and one of the parts of sg I made was that you can push ANY changes by simply recursive cp. < 1299963498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Assuming a directory-based store.) < 1299963503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If not, there'll be a trivial command to merge two databases.) < 1299963520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically every object in the database is assigned a longcat hash, and things are never addressed without it :P < 1299963525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is a correctness criterion for said predicate, namely that if it evaluates to true for change X, it evaluates to true for all parents of X, and as a result I question the value of defining it so abstractly. < 1299963527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "parent" < 1299963531 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE TO MOVE TO ANOTHER ROOM NOW < 1299963561 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm wrong < 1299963578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so scapegoat is some kind of VCSWiki < 1299963579 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dependency. I suppose "parent" is a bit of a strong implication for that, but *eh* :P. A change named by the given change. < 1299963588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wiki? ... no < 1299963590 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a language for describing changes < 1299963593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Mmm, if by VCSWiki you mean nothing like a wiki at all, then yes, absolutely. < 1299963608 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought Gregor mumbled something about replacing giki with it < 1299963612 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not giki... < 1299963614 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that is now < 1299963616 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do describe thing about broken stack in MSDN Blogs, which is something I have sometimes had problem with too (although I was using gdb instead). < 1299963617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackiki. < 1299963621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've been thinking of those as "dependencies", but they are pretty close to parents. < 1299963621 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackiki. < 1299963624 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes thank you elliott < 1299963634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's just that most VCSes don't have like fifty parents per change :P < 1299963646 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: True :P < 1299963649 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that just means he'd just be dropping the wikiness from his site, I guess? < 1299963655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Consider that every individual line insertion is addressable, as it must be to be referencable in further commits.) < 1299963658 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm talking about replacing one COMPONENT of Hackiki, and sg is just a thought. < 1299963669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (An efficient way to store this -- probably inline with some kind of lookup table -- will have to be found.) < 1299963672 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Hackiki uses a VCS as its store. < 1299963681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This would cause ridiculous inode blowup, thus why I'm partial to using an object database file.) < 1299963683 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ok, understood now < 1299963746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A nice thing about the "you can literally just shove any two repositories together" thing is that a hypothetical ScapegoatHub can just store everything in one big honking repository and get deduplicative storage of forks for free :P < 1299963772 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Of course, naming the "repository" (in the classic sense) that you want to check out is a bit painful :P < 1299963788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, a "repository" is essentially defined by its tip commit. < 1299963791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You work backwards from there. < 1299963796 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, git starts blowing up at around 30 parents of a commit < 1299963808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Note that in the naïve case, checking out an sg commit is slooooooooooooow, because you have to simulate every change back to the beginning of time. < 1299963818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A sane implementation would store full copies of files every N revisions or so. < 1299963836 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to uncheckout as well as checkout and it should keep reference counts and should garbage collect changes that no one is using < 1299963845 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, bbl < 1299963852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A garbage collect is basically copying the tip and all its dependencies to a new repo, then removing the old one. < 1299963853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a copying GC! < 1299963854 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But there are no commits, only changes, so a "tip" commit is artificial on top of that. You can't from any given change (thinking of them as lines for ease) necessarily trace your way back to every other change, since you'd have to trace forwards too ... < 1299963859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Commit == change. < 1299963868 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Commit == multiple changes < 1299963870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 defined the tip precisely, I think. < 1299963874 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In classical parlance < 1299963887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oldest commit with most dependencies? < 1299963890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it the newest... < 1299963895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it would be the set of all changes representing the current view with no dependents. < 1299963901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically it's "good practice" in sg to commit two conflicting changes to the tip without merging immediately. < 1299963906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't want either to become the tip. < 1299963914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to be careful with the definition. < 1299963914 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you don't have to store forward deltas though - e.g. git will usually store the head as non-delta, then make older commits deltas of newer ones < 1299963922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Consider that "conflicting changes" is basically the definition of an sg branch.) < 1299963933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Indeed, but, eh, that's "implementation details". < 1299963934 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That becomes a bit tricky with this design, it's not so linear. < 1299963950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, sg sorta discards conventional notions of time and whatnot X-D < 1299963957 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299963968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every possible change exists, and you just pick which ones you like. < 1299963970 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299963975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually by making them manually and running "sg commit". < 1299964019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: An sgfs could, I think, work, but I have no idea what you'd actually expose via it... < 1299964036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A scapegoat repository is essentially a big hash-indexed object store. < 1299964041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is a correctness criterion for said predicate [...] <-- hm a closed set in a finite topological space... < 1299964046 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299964062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god < 1299964067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oerjan is now going to ruin our version control system. < 1299964070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon it will become topology. < 1299964096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't worry, he'll end up getting stuck into trying to work out the theoretical basis behind darcs < 1299964114 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEORY OF PATCHES < 1299964116 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299964119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He's a theoretical mathematician. He hand-waves over the utterly nonsensicality of his models on a *daily basis*. < 1299964126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1299964182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sg was apparently born after the TAEB guy looked into darcs and concluded its merging algorithm made no sense at all, FWIW :P < 1299964206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the main TAEB guy < 1299964207 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was born after ais523 went "lol VCS sux I'mma make my own" < 1299964219 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: Note that in the naïve case, checking out an sg commit is slooooooooooooow, because you have to simulate every change back to the beginning of time. <-- isn't this like a problem with darcs too, without further optimization? < 1299964220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the other person working on TAEB::AI::Planar, which is a side project of mine < 1299964234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, obviously < 1299964240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a problem even with CVS in the really naive case < 1299964240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I would like to take credit for convincing ais523 that for the time being, the turtles do not have to go down to per-character-change granularity. < 1299964250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With complete editor integration on every keystroke) < 1299964253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are they still called turtle? < 1299964257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*turtles? < 1299964264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was implicitly invoking the all-the-way-down story. < 1299964265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we really not have a better name for them? < 1299964267 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per ... modified block? < 1299964271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm calling them changes :P < 1299964286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: As in, every single character insert or removal generates a commit. < 1299964293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be noted at this point that ais523 is slightly insane. < 1299964302 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, but what is the current thoughts on it? < 1299964303 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sg is as general as that would imply, it'd be neat to actually call them turtles < 1299964313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change = "sequence of modifications with no intervening unmodified character"? < 1299964315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Commits happen only manually, and line-basedb y default :-P < 1299964320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*line-based by < 1299964333 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, commits happening manually is totes acceptable :P < 1299964334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm open to non-line-based suggestions, but it's what every VCS uses, and it's hard to merge two changes to the same line. < 1299964345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ideal solution is language-aware change types. < 1299964352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: changes are mostly defined recursively as bundles of other changes, although there has to be a bottom level somewhere < 1299964364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott convinced me that it's best to be flexible about where it is, depending on what you're versioning < 1299964381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There needs to be a common solution too, you can't integrate every language :P < 1299964388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, yah. Line-based. < 1299964393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, why can't you? There's an Emacs mode for every language. < 1299964396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the time being we're basing it on lines, as they're the most commonly meaningful < 1299964400 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then there's a bottom level, and it's turtles all the way *up*? < 1299964406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, this is pie-in-the-sky talk for now. < 1299964410 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'mma go write a new language HEY WHERE'S MY EMACS MODE < 1299964412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: heh, that's one way to describe it < 1299964422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can ship you a copy of brainfuck-joust-mode if you like < 1299964428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and the SOF/EOF commits created for each file use the file identifier... and the file identifier is just the hash of the {directory-change} that added the file to a folder. < 1299964430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*directory. < 1299964448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Soon it will become topology. <-- finite topological spaces are rather trivial, that "including ancestors" or "including descendants" thing is basically all there is to them. also, this is the same as a finite partial order. < 1299964450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it in the latest BF Joust spate, in order to get decent syntax highlighting and indentation < 1299964491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and technically the directory change structures would be POSIX-specific at first... mostly because if you cater to working well on Windows, you can't version things like symlinks, and that's incredibly irritating. < 1299964507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could translate them to NTFS links or whatever, but at the present time the amount I care about Windows is ~0. < 1299964525 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is made of fail, nobody cares. < 1299964531 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTFS links don't work like symlinks anyway < 1299964541 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only kind of similarly in certain circumstances < 1299964544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, I really like how sg's merge algorithm can be implemented in a dozen lines in just about any language :) < 1299964548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without even a built-in topological sort < 1299964561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing it efficiently is rather harder < 1299964570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topological sort by dependencies, apply each in resulting order; if any fail, the changeset fails. < 1299964580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's got the property of Underlambda that I like: easy to implement, possible to implement efficiently < 1299964594 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: server upgrade time < 1299964616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that quit message from fungot seemed almost intelligible < 1299964658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: har har har < 1299964725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anywho, implementing scapegoat's basics is really quite trivial, it's making it actually "work" that's significantly more difficult. < 1299964747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for one, the change-generator needs to recognise moves, replacements, etc. < 1299964758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Note: sg is the only VCS I know of to handle splicing a file properly :P) < 1299964761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: remember we were discussing Paul Levy a few days ago < 1299964767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. splitting x.c into a.c and b.c < 1299964769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he unintentionally gave me some advice on Feather < 1299964773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :git, for instance, sees it as renaming x.c to one of them < 1299964776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creating an entirely new file for the other < 1299964782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sg, you move both halves of the file out to the new one < 1299964785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then remove the resulting empty file < 1299964786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, nice < 1299964788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what exactly? < 1299964801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was explaining the theoretical basis behind continuation-passing-style < 1299964833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's all about call-by-push-value, you see." < 1299964845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And call-by-push-value's theoretical basis is itself." < 1299964855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I realised that although it's hard to track the control flow of a program when you retroactively modified what it was doing, it's much easier to track it in CPS < 1299964856 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-lgoneitkepjvztzs JOIN :#esoteric < 1299964877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the problem is: if you retroactively modify a program, what in its new execution corresponds to what in its old execution?) < 1299964898 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-202-177.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299964899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, it has to be reference-counted, so every repo knows who has cloned what from it < 1299964912 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise it's not insane enough < 1299964918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: err...certainly. in the wiki, yes. < 1299964919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: this is meant to be practical < 1299964926 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1299964929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299964962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least as practical as Haskell!111 < 1299964970 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case i am totally designing a language < 1299964970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So what would you actually want out of an sgfs or whatever? < 1299965024 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want out of FS is the ability to mount a particular revision as a filesystem, make any (or no) changes, then commit as part of unmounting. < 1299965053 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want this to be done without writing to the real filesystem if I don't write to the mounted filesystem, making it potentially faster than just a checkout. < 1299965068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, does every page load involve a commit in Hackiki or something? < 1299965076 0 :cpressey1!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-uuwzfpziswkjkjdo JOIN :#esoteric < 1299965079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't quite see why you want it to support doing nothing so efficiently :P < 1299965114 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimizing the common case? < 1299965122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but why would that be common? < 1299965126 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was an attempt at a joke) < 1299965131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299965132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1299965134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem < 1299965166 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299965174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I am INTERROGATING your usecase. < 1299965178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Pythoneerstas do. < 1299965183 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Most pageloads don't involve a commit, I'm optimizing for the NO-commit case. < 1299965186 0 :cpressey1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299965190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, I see. < 1299965198 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A checkout involves HD write, HD write is bad. < 1299965223 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every pageload would mount a FUSE-backed fs...? < 1299965225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm not sure scapegoat checkout can be very lazy. < 1299965232 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't have them all trouncing around in the same repo since one of them MIGHT write. < 1299965235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it OK if it checks it all out into memory before the mount completes? < 1299965241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a realistic sg implementation, this would not take long.) < 1299965251 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Memory is fine. < 1299965259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Presently every pageload (modulo caching) triggers a hg clone. < 1299965277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What if you had to explicitly tell it to commit on unmount so I don't have to keep track of a dirty flag X-D < 1299965289 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also fine, I know if it wrote or not. < 1299965314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then that should be pretty easy, really; sg already _has_ a mental model of the entire directory tree. < 1299965327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Fun thing about sg: You can move the / of a repository into a subdirectory of another) < 1299965331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And vice-versa. < 1299965341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can move your libvm/ subdirectory out into another repository :P < 1299965373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What happens when Hackiki gets a conflict? < 1299965375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just yells at you? < 1299965394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm assuming that it always commits from the commit you checkout, not from whatever the tip happens to be when you unmount. < 1299965415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Multi-process safe writing to object databases, hooray X_X) < 1299965424 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It commits to that, then tries to merge; if the merge fails, too bad, your commit goes away. < 1299965438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1299965463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think sg tends to in theory flag up more conflicts than most VCSes, but in practice it shouldn't matter. < 1299965482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Purely in that editing the same few lines of a file is likely to mess the ordering up and thus cause a conflict.) < 1299965499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how built is this thing < 1299965508 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1299965512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: In theory, 70%. < 1299965515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, 3%. < 1299965523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reality, -0.25% :P < 1299965529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I implemented some algos. < 1299965543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Say you have a file [a, b, c] (those are lines). < 1299965559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say one commit inserts a line so it becomes [a, b, d, c]; insert d between (b,c) < 1299965577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say another commit replaces b with q so it becomes [a, q, c]; replace b with q. < 1299965580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These two commits conflict. < 1299965591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same if two commits inserted a line between b and c. < 1299965597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those two commits conflict in almost /any/ VCS. < 1299965613 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost? < 1299965622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. I don't really have many experiences with conflicts in practice because I dont work on any large-number-of-developer projects. < 1299965623 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, make that every VCS, ever :P < 1299965628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But scapegoat is definitely very anal about its ordering. < 1299965633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I possibly did not pick the best example. < 1299965646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK, how's this for you: < 1299965659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In scapegoat, two people can start a repository with a file "foo" in it. < 1299965665 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Think of every major VCS' merging algorithm as just taking two unified patches and trying to apply them both. That's pretty much all you get, with a little bit more cleverness sometimes. If your context changes, you fail. < 1299965668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John can insert [a,b,c] into foo. < 1299965675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anne can insert [a,b,c] into foo. < 1299965678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both commit, and try and merge. < 1299965681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In scapegoat, this is a conflict. < 1299965690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No other VCS does THAT :P < 1299965698 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet there's at least one that does! :P < 1299965713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because the hash of John's and Anne's changes will be different, because it involves the timestamp, their name, summary, etc. etc. etc.) < 1299965721 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gehhh... what does "merge" mean here if that is the case < 1299965729 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing can be merged, effectively < 1299965733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Completely false. < 1299965747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The fact is that this is an unrealistic scenario. < 1299965755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two people never independently reinvent a file from scratch. < 1299965770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scapegoat is based on blame; merging works based on the common ancestors that identify each line. < 1299965789 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, whatever < 1299965804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: No, but really: If foo started off as [a,b] < 1299965808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And John changed it to [a,x,b] < 1299965812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Anne changed it to [a,b,y] < 1299965818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they'd merge successfully into [a,x,b,y]. < 1299965825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the a and the b are the asme in both cases. < 1299965846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is that John's and Anne's a, b, and c are different in that above example, because scapegoat doesn't just work on the literal bytes of the line, it works on the change that produces them. < 1299965847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*produced < 1299965886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and ofc if your users have the habit of doing this sort of thing, it's entirely possible to generate a merge conflict resolution automatically, or automatically-with-confirmation < 1299965894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, of course. < 1299965900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably slap such users, of course. < 1299965906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1299965908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, clarification, by conflict I don't mean you can NEVER COMMIT THEM EVER :P < 1299965925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, you'd just have to pick one of John's and Anne's a, b, and c. < 1299965934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The decision is essentially arbitrary. < 1299965944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or resolve it any other way you like < 1299965956 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to clarify: when you said "hash of the timestamp, name, summary" you meant of these properties when the file was created, not properties of the change? < 1299965958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although then commits to Anne's branch wouldn't get merged in properly... but basically this is the least realistic scenario ever. < 1299965963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The properties of the change. < 1299965969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Every single change is a change. < 1299965978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course "add line X between Y and Z" is unlikely to have a summary. < 1299965979 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then i still don't understand, but i don't care enough to commit the brainpower to trying < 1299965985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'll have the author, and the timestamp in it. < 1299965997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Most VCSes have change = author + timestamp + diff. < 1299966008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scapegoat has patch = author + timestamp + change. < 1299966021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where change = insert string between patch and patch, delete patch, ..., changeset (set of patch) < 1299966029 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ==(>^w^)> ==(> >.<)> < 1299966033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You almost always commit changesets (implicitly, by making multiple changes). < 1299966042 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can stop typing if you like-- see my previous line < 1299966048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Just trying to help. < 1299966053 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1299966055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's monologuing in case anyone reads the logs < 1299966073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it might also be for my own benefit :P < 1299966082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for Gregor's in case he's still listening. < 1299966086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense, since you're the main consumer of the logs < 1299966088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're an avid logreader :) < 1299966094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, cpressey beat me to the joke < 1299966108 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1299966119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the channel's official Historian, I have to be! < 1299966186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...to summarise, AFAICT implementing scapegoat efficiently basically involves lots of caching. < 1299966189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ludicrous amounts of caching. < 1299966208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BTW, I was thinking that changes should be signed with the author's GPG key... < 1299966217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the GPG public key stored in the author object. < 1299966226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps some sg magic to automatically migrate any seen author objects to a common store. < 1299966235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone's GPG key changes or expires? < 1299966248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then they become a new person-hash (but the same happens if they change their email, etc.) < 1299966257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's acceptable < 1299966267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe there'll be some way an author can give everyone an "i'm this person now" object < 1299966280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it could just be left for people to work out; it's not a big issue, IMO < 1299966296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Automatic migration would be a security hole if you first saw an author in a malicious repository though. Anyway. < 1299966299 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we discussing the new dvcs you're making? < 1299966301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You couldn't sign every single change... < 1299966306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that'd include every single line touched. < 1299966314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure how to do it more granularly without breaking the object-hash structure. < 1299966318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yep < 1299966327 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we calling it again? < 1299966373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sg < 1299966376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= scapegoat) < 1299966387 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just noticed that he has invented 27% of the 2011 esolangs.
< 1299966401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only March :-P < 1299966402 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, if you sign something won't you implicitly be signing all its parents? < 1299966414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: err, no, considering that other people write the parents < 1299966417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hmm < 1299966417 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to invent MOAR languages < 1299966420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean that it counts as like < 1299966437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I verify that the authorship information contained in these depended-upon commits is accurate"? < 1299966447 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1299966449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then things committed as changesets would just get unsigned constitutents, and the whole thing would be signed as a seal of approval < 1299966451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intriguing idea < 1299966459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem is that, looking only at a subcommit, the system would not know it is signed < 1299966463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without traversing up the graph < 1299966465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably slow < 1299966479 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's slow unless you make it fast < 1299966504 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more caching :) < 1299966512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299966530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: can't just cache everything, dude :) < 1299966536 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not!? < 1299966539 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is writing to Esolang all the languages he hasn't bothered to put down there yet.
< 1299966541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, I think sgfs should be perfectly feasible to do efficiently. < 1299966573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I refuse to accept Hackiki's legitimately unless it draws fancy dependency lines in the revision history and has a merge conflict settler interface, though :-) < 1299966582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgiki. < 1299966591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: I should do that sometime < 1299966602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't documented DownRight anywhere, and it's been finished for ages < 1299966614 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299966619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DID YOU USE MY AMAZING SYNTAX IDEA < 1299966628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it? < 1299966633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, syntax < 1299966636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO GUYS I AM BACK < 1299966639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting that languages need one of those < 1299966653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the compiler I wrote this weekend doesn't have one, you feed it ASTs as an argument) < 1299966669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is the best thing ever. < 1299966678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that already exists. < 1299966682 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "Lisp". < 1299966685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, comment! < 1299966730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Lisp has a syntax, although a very lightweight one < 1299966760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically just a syntax for serialising ASTs, though. < 1299966768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is all syntax < 1299966953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it has quotes < 1299966963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are something which seem relatively Lisp-specific, in that context < 1299966985 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how one can not have a syntax, then.
< 1299966995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use (quote x) directly < 1299967002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you store the ASTs you pass to the compiler? < 1299967015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((LAMBDA (X) (LIST X (LIST (QUOTE QUOTE) X))) (QUOTE (LAMBDA (X) (LIST X (LIST (QUOTE QUOTE) X))))) < 1299967019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: @. < 1299967020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it always ast, why never a general asg :\ < 1299967027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just construct an ast object < 1299967030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then pass it to the compiler < 1299967030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1299967035 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, because how would that even work. < 1299967042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1299967044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp is a graph < 1299967054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: u r stupid < 1299967061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'#1=(1 . #1#) < 1299967062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1299967065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the exact syntax < 1299967067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1299967069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean that thing? < 1299967089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, right, forgot that conses can have cyclic links. < 1299967106 0 :cpressey_!~cpressey@63.133.138.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299967112 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_! < 1299967122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you escaped the Pythonistas? < 1299967126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you write a lisp loop that's just code that's a cycle? < 1299967129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1299967138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without quoting < 1299967140 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is as close to syntax-free as you can POSSIBLY get, although I'll admit that quoting (as opposed to the list constructor) is borderline syntaxy. BORDERLINE. < 1299967166 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you mean use cyclic conses to loop? < 1299967171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uh. < 1299967172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth. < 1299967187 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, Forth is definitely less ensyntaxed than Lisp :P < 1299967195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth has literally no formal syntax, it's just a system that starts in a mode that: Reads a bunch of letters or digits; stops on a space; executes it; and repeats. < 1299967196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what else < 1299967202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, since Lisp is applicative order (henceforth to be known as boringplative order). < 1299967218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval would try to walk the entire graph and just get stuck in a loop. < 1299967225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh... < 1299967230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit homo < 1299967232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's a cool esolang idea and one which must be done. < 1299967234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you used a special form < 1299967235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. begin < 1299967242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm but that's ugly < 1299967246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1#=(begin (display "fart") (newline) #1#) < 1299967275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihi < 1299967282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a cute idea < 1299967294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihihiiiiiiiiiiiiiii < 1299967299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, would code be able to alter itself? < 1299967379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1299967392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that would end up being boring... right. < 1299967392 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, where Lisp is "please hand my your AST as I am too lazy to parse a language", Forth is "please hand me your bytecode as I am too lazy to deserialize an AST" < 1299967397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :purely functional < 1299967423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1#=(set-car! #1# set-cdr!) < 1299967438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1#=(begin (set-car! (cadr #1#) set-cdr!) #1#) < 1299967471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, let's assume it's not boringplative order. < 1299967502 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299967640 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299967659 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299967707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, erm, is this going to be a graph reduction language where cyclical graphs are allowed, or...? < 1299967823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just scheme where you can write code with loops with ease + magic < 1299967867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not start bikeshedding details like what the language is like. < 1299967880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299967906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's two examples are kind of tricky, though, since it's unclear how evaluation proceeds. < 1299967937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly < 1299967943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literals like that are immutable i think :) < 1299967986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, it should just recursively evaluate children, and apply the function in the parent. < 1299968012 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, which doesn't work because you end up trying to walk an infinitely deep tree. < 1299968056 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so ok. john changes [a, b, c] to [a, e, c]: it has hash 1234. anne changes [a, b, c] (same as john's starting point) to [a, e, c] (same as john's end point): it has hash 8765 (because anne != john). scapegoat merges these in some way that is not based on the contents, i.e, it does not look at e and compare e with e. explain how < 1299968064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1299968069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each individual element of that list has its own hash. < 1299968075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but only a COUNTABLY infinite tree, so it shouldn't be that hard ay < 1299968077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the important thing. < 1299968080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list doesn't really exist < 1299968080 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does not contain the author? < 1299968083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1299968086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes contains the author. < 1299968091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: like i said, there ARE no lines < 1299968093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only changes < 1299968098 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash(e, john) == hash(e, anne)? < 1299968098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines are identified by the commit that creates them < 1299968101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299968104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by design. < 1299968113 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these can't be merged afaics < 1299968115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Scapegoat! < 1299968122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The awesome thing I don't understand! < 1299968125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: not automatically < 1299968130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: by the scapegoat auto-merger < 1299968135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This basically sums up half of what happens in this channel. < 1299968140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: but you could _trivially_ have a merge handler that just chooses one of two identical nodes. < 1299968141 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what kind of change could be? < 1299968149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: any change not like that. < 1299968162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*two people never modify a file in the exact same way*; that's not a realistic user case. < 1299968173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: No, but really: If foo started off as [a,b] < 1299968173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And John changed it to [a,x,b] < 1299968173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And Anne changed it to [a,b,y] < 1299968173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Then they'd merge successfully into [a,x,b,y]. < 1299968173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Because the a and the b are the asme in both cases. < 1299968181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is far more representative of how changes are actually made < 1299968215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, if two scapegoat commits don't conflict, then they fit together perfectly; otherwise, they might have a perfectly reasonable resolution, but no objectively correct one; what happens next is up to you < 1299968242 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299968262 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i initially asked: what's the definition of "merge" here < 1299968277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: merge simply means that (changeset {c1,c2}) is valid < 1299968282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. can apply properly. < 1299968290 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you speak in riddles < 1299968292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that is < 1299968300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can apply properly to any input that c1 and c2 can apply to. < 1299968303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ais523. < 1299968306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no good at the explainy. < 1299968309 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :successful merge is successful < 1299968317 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, to eat! < 1299968611 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299968728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299968734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, I think Rust may really be better with just immutable and state, rather than immutable, state, gc < 1299968752 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How regularly are Phantom Types used in Haskell? < 1299968947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so, uh, circuscheme. < 1299969132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you have an uncountably infinite tree? < 1299969159 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299969159 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299969177 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be interesting would be if someone managed to abuse terminology cleverly enough to get an uncountably finite something < 1299969192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1299969197 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weell... < 1299969209 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's mutually contradictory < 1299969220 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows if someone really cleverly abuses terminolgoy < 1299969224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have sets which are countably infinite, but with uncomputable countability, sooo... < 1299969231 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true! < 1299969232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: it's possible if you don't have the axiom of choice < 1299969241 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, this sounds interesting. < 1299969243 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more. < 1299969250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can have two things that can't be put into one-to-one correspondence with {1,2} because there's no way you can decide which one goes to which number < 1299969254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't make an arbitrary choice either < 1299969267 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so cantor's diagonalization breaks down < 1299969284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that might be one reason why people like axiom-of-choiceless systems < 1299969290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they don't seem to correspond to reality too well < 1299969295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is the arbitrary choice the bit that needs C? < 1299969303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299969304 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, diagonalization gets too powerful, rather < 1299969396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you do have C? < 1299969398 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that the right interpretation?) < 1299969410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... perhaps you could do something silly with computational equivalence. < 1299969473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you have a set defined as {x : x = f \/ x = g} where f and g are arbitrary functions, and you can't tell if that set has 1 or 2 members < 1299969540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that just be an uncomputable set? < 1299969544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why that would make it uncountable < 1299969552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was just a start. < 1299969570 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, is it countable if it's uncomputable? < 1299969764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why the two things have to have anything in common < 1299969855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, countability is impossible for finite sets. < 1299969876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Countable" = "is bijectible with N". < 1299969938 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299970026 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299970032 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, there you go. < 1299970039 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even abuse of notation won't work. < 1299970051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait. < 1299970055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *does* work. < 1299970067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, conclusion: *all* finite sets are uncountable. < 1299970099 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299970186 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299970422 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *two people never modify a file in the exact same way*; that's not a realistic user case. <-- um what if there's a single, obvious fix to a bug? < 1299970436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299970439 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299970497 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299970540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and you can't make an arbitrary choice either <-- you don't need the axiom to make a finite number of arbitrary choices < 1299970644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Countable" = "is bijectible with N". <-- countable usually includes finite sets as well, iirc < 1299970656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, abuse of notation! < 1299970704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what abuse? < 1299970716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To allow uncountable finite sense. < 1299970723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In mathematics, a countable set is a set with the same cardinality (number of elements) as some subset of the set of natural numbers." < 1299970728 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking "countable" to mean "countably infinite". < 1299970752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well without the axiom of choice you can have uncountably finite sets, as said < 1299970772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a bit more complicated than not selecting between two elements < 1299970778 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you just said you couldn't... how? < 1299970808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is that there are two possible definitions of "finite", which don't agree if you don't gave AoC < 1299970818 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299970822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they? < 1299970844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is "same cardinality as some {1,...,n} where n is a natural number" < 1299970864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same cardinality as == has bijection with < 1299970873 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that. < 1299970892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is "contains no proper subset of the same cardinality as itself < 1299970934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a set of the second type which has no bijection with any subset of the natural numbers < 1299970971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*without C, presumably? < 1299970978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course < 1299971035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the axiom of choice allows to keep selecting elements of a set until you either run out or have got a subset matching N < 1299971103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact if you _do_ have a proper subset with the same cardinality, you don't even need the axiom to get such a subset < 1299971186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just let f : A -> B be the bijection, let x in A - B, and select {x, f(x), f^2(x), ...} < 1299971357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you the axiom does not allow selecting elements _directly_, you need to prove the corollary of dependent choice first) < 1299971365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*those elements < 1299971855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1299972077 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | but using small numbers like 4 < 1299972184 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299972262 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299972691 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299972796 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299973220 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aomori_Prefecture < 1299973232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way their symbol is just the province drawn simply. < 1299973239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/province/prefecture/ < 1299973315 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299973883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1299973895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299974228 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299975053 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g230231122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299975232 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299975811 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has done TOO MUCH on the wiki today.
< 1299975820 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299976183 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299976552 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299976750 0 :GregorOpMonger!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299976919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: you might perhaps maybe consider possibly investing in a spell checker. just saying. < 1299976984 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you forget? (Or did I forget?) < 1299977002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what? < 1299977088 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299977113 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many computer programs that parse algebraic chess notation. But I don't know how many are done with typesetting systems. < 1299977243 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer descriptive notation or algebraic? < 1299977249 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or morse code chess notation? < 1299977262 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often is chess played over morse code? < 1299977291 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299977385 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often is chess played by telephone? < 1299977411 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often by mail? < 1299977474 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299977474 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-247-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299977525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess (non e-) mail chess is rarer these days < 1299977540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the 80's it was all the rage < 1299977559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my dad was an avid player) < 1299977611 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people like to play chess on the order of "hours" instead of "months" < 1299977650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall a children's story in which they played chess over the telephone. the kicker was that at the end it turned out the sweet lady on the other side was ... on the other side. < 1299977683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a slow game too, only one move per call < 1299977686 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the grass is always greener. < 1299977771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intertwined with a crime mystery < 1299977895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: he played chess on the order of "hours" too. probably very different, with mail you could do all kinds of literature lookup. mind you this was before the web and before computers became all-powerful in chess. < 1299977925 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN A TIME BEFORE COMPUTERS < 1299977929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(were major in Chess) < 1299977954 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess I should start writing articles on a spell-checked text editor BEFORE submitting it... That would work. < 1299977970 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And thank you for putting up with my spelling errors. < 1299977990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: i nearly always compose longer pieces in vim even if i'm a reasonably good speller < 1299978014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing it guards against those annoying timeouts < 1299978020 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that. < 1299978023 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course if you have a sufficiently powerful computer, it can always win at chess (if programmed correctly). < 1299978043 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with Go, although an even more powerful computer would be required, way more powerful. < 1299978074 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No computer will ever be good at Rock-Paper-Scissors, though. < 1299978076 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/always win/always win or stalemate/ < 1299978112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a computer can be _perfect_ at rock-paper-scissors, if it has a perfect random number generator. < 1299978142 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then your definition of "perfect" is sorely lacking :P < 1299978149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect in the sense of game theory, that is < 1299978164 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, possibly stalemate too. Although if they make such a computer they might figure out solving it entirely whether black or white has an advantage, and if so, how much. < 1299978172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not perfect in taking advantage of inferior players < 1299978193 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure, but the generalization has to allow for stalemate, since not all games will have a distinct sidedness. < 1299978213 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, I did consider that, too. < 1299978224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls there was a game, hm let me look it up...
< 1299978266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hex_(board_game) < 1299978289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always a win for the first player, this can be proven despite no one knowing what the winning strategy _is_ < 1299978358 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tried to build computer to win at Rock-Paper-Scissors tournament, but then they realize it is impossible. There are a lot of players in the tournament and some are really good at it, so they will beat the other players, and so on. So the computer has a very small chance of possibly winning the tournament. At a single game though, with perfect random number generator, the computer expect to win 50% regardless of their opponent's plays. < 1299978434 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing at random is called chaos play. The official strategy guide labels the difficulty of the chaos play strategy to be infinite. < 1299978456 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not only is it infinitely difficult, but you cannot expect to win more than 50%.) < 1299978492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aha so the computer can lose a "hill" even if doesn't really lose against any single player < 1299978514 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, like that. < 1299978560 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299978582 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a game like backgammon, a sufficiently powerful computer cannot always win, but it might be able to win a very large amount of the time (I do not know what the maximal probability of winning backgammon is with best strategy). < 1299978719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, one could build a rock-paper-scissors computer that would be better than a human. < 1299978725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans have a tendency to choose scissors. < 1299978742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it would *win*, but it would be *better*. < 1299978751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, averages. < 1299978787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not better against a good player. < 1299978833 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But perhaps better than bad players. < 1299978930 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also read rules of a chess variant for SCA, that uses dice. Most of the pieces do not move very far. On each turn you roll two dice and the number tells you what kind of pieces you are allowed to move. < 1299978987 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The knights (which are the same as FIDE chess) are the only ones that are allowed to move more than one space (and are forced to move more than one space). < 1299979018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an omega chess set < 1299979208 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you know where to buy it? < 1299979228 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a shogi set. < 1299979258 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it isn't very good because the board is paper. The pieces are OK, though. < 1299979353 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't seen an omega chess set in a brick-and-mortar store < 1299979356 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even the Sentry Box < 1299979360 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/wiki/N-in-a-row%20game Vague musings on an unsolvable game. < 1299979404 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bgg appears to be down right now < 1299979502 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-127-19.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299979550 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ALLAGUF? < 1299979645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what Infinity Chess is like to play
< 1299979683 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such thing as infinity chess < 1299979695 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a chess problem that says "checkmate in infinity plus fifteen". < 1299979719 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, as in.. < 1299979760 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1299979777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The board looks like the infinity symbol, except one of the loops is smaller than the other < 1299979781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so omega chess isn't infinite chess? < 1299979821 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name reminded me of it < 1299979837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate in omega plus fifteen would be a perfectly reasonable thing then... < 1299979838 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess variants does not have it < 1299979880 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@63.133.138.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299979911 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess if i want to announce something, using the topic of this channel isn't a good option, huh < 1299979928 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, is there a weird boards category of chess variants? < 1299979931 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Just announce it as a normal message at first. < 1299979971 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, i don't have anything -- yet. i was just figuring, it'll only stay up for a short time, then optbot will trample it < 1299979971 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's unfinished, although finished to the point that you can consider it a very buggy finished product as opposed to an unfinished one < 1299979988 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will have something -- soon < 1299979996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but haven't been able to do much while at pycon < 1299980038 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What is it, though? Once you do it, just type something about it to the channel if you want opinion or whatever. < 1299980051 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a surprise :) < 1299980075 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wikipedia page for Chess variant has it < 1299980076 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1299980084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: we _could_ set the channel +t for a while, i guess... < 1299980094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's important < 1299980102 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I think that is not necessary; just announce it normally. < 1299980102 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what would that do? < 1299980110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: prevent topic changes < 1299980115 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/32793/infinite-chess < 1299980117 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even announce in topic message if you want but of course someone can change it < 1299980120 0 :cpressey1!~cpressey@63.133.138.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299980128 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has to be it, although I remember it looking a bit different < 1299980137 0 :cpressey1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299980140 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the thing is now optbot changes the topic automatically every six hours < 1299980140 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha < 1299980144 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I can't connect to bgg for whatever reason < 1299980146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.colebank.com/ichess/index.asp < 1299980146 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this channel is locked to -t though < 1299980157 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Experiencing God" < 1299980163 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you should remove that function from optbot and have people change it manually. < 1299980163 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: elliott_, I know I don't have any < 1299980167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm sure there's some chanserv command to change that < 1299980180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's not my bot < 1299980184 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is some command to change mode locks if you are the owner of this channel. < 1299980197 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But otherwise it is locked to +nc-mst and you cannot change that. < 1299980206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm must one be founder? < 1299980209 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then who is it? < 1299980212 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299980226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ^ < 1299980244 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Experiencing God" thing is not what I linked to, it's just another page on the same site < 1299980295 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a category for chess game with different shape boards http://www.chessvariants.org/index/mainquery.php?type=Game&category=Shape&startswithletter=&language=English&daysyoung=0&daysold=0&minyearinvented=&maxyearinvented=&boardrows=0&boardcols=0&boardlevels=0&boardcells=0&authorid=&inventorid=&orderby=LinkText&usethisheading=Game+with+different+shape+boards&displayauthor=on&displayinventor=on®expurl=®explinktext= < 1299980321 0 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-84-154.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299980358 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-127-19.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299980408 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GodChess < 1299980442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, isn't there a ST:TNG episode with Q that has something like that...? probably not < 1299980454 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What icons should I add in chess font? There is enough for 63 different kind of pieces, and I already have all 6 FIDE pieces, as well as: circle, vizier, firzan, inverted rook, crescent moon, amazon, knight rider. < 1299980459 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an episode of Dr Who with eternal-type beings in a boat race though < 1299980475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Doctor Who < 1299980482 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Gregor will yet at me < 1299980487 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/c he has nothing better to do < 1299980505 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What is GodChess? < 1299980588 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know. i just randomly put together words that seemed to be coming from Sgeo's direction < 1299980628 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: If there is no game like that, then invent a game like that. < 1299980642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, keep doing that, and we may have to put you into an Asylum build system. < 1299980673 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+t < 1299980682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299980687 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-t < 1299980691 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming up with the name is the first step to inventing it, but i invite anyone who might be more intrigued with the concept to do so < 1299980706 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still say it was an episode of ST:TNG with Q, or should have been < 1299980721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: apparently i have enough permissions for changing mode lock < 1299980722 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course he would have used the Enterprise as an, uh, pawn < 1299980725 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I know how to invent chess variants, but you can make some ideas about it too. < 1299980754 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yell < 1299980764 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, maybe you do, but I still think you shouldn't. Instead you should tell whoever programmed optbot to change the frequency of topic message changes to one week instead of six hours. < 1299980764 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: seriously? that is the ugliest thing ever < 1299980765 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/yet/yell) < 1299980769 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i'm tired < 1299980790 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: optbot does NOT approve of your suggestions. < 1299980790 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yay < 1299980799 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no. Not one week. Set it to 24 hours after the last change. < 1299980814 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or change only the part after the last | < 1299980821 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can insert something < 1299980833 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, not every 24 hours, but 24 hours after the last change, but 1 minute if the log URL is missing. < 1299980876 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That is another possibility, I guess. < 1299980906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one week would sort of remove the fun of it. maybe elliott could put some command in to let people change what optbot puts before its own part < 1299980906 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't happen to have an escape character for inserting controls now? < 1299980913 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What do you mean is the ugliest thing ever? < 1299980913 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The question is not "do I need (s+n)?", it's "can I make GGGGGGGGGGGGC support (s+n)?". < 1299980929 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know one week is too long, which is why I almost immediately took back that suggestion. < 1299981008 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a certain amount of time *after the last change* is better, perhaps 24 hours is good. < 1299981073 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i hate technology < 1299981073 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I like how [[Offended]] starts with cute rabbit pictures < 1299981105 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all rabbit pictures are cute rabbit pictures < 1299981120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well as of now i think optbot doesn't actually look at topic changes other than its own, it could do all sorts of things once it can do that < 1299981121 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, many are, but there's plenty of finite ones as well < 1299981147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess, unless the rabbits in question are dead. they used to test pregnancy that way somehow, i ought to figure out exactly how someday < 1299981178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: myxomatosis. < 1299981259 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, good first step. but the wikipedia article on it says bubkis about pregnancy, human or otherwise, so i'm still wondering what the connection is < 1299981287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it was a counterresponse to "all rabbit pictures are cute rabbit pictures" < 1299981309 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. then: s/dead/dead or sick/ < 1299981312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check snopes? < 1299981348 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh you mean like http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/rabbit.asp < 1299981351 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented many chess variants. < 1299981393 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snopes seems to have wacked my browser. thanks snopes < 1299981477 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page explains it though. < 1299981496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have invented no chess variants < 1299981498 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299981508 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with chess, remove the bishops. < 1299981512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go. < 1299981516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheist chess < 1299981517 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have invented a chess variant < 1299981529 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes it does that to me too. Turn off plugins, javascript, images, metarefresh, and subdocuments, and so on, and select printer friendly pages. Now it works much better. < 1299981545 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You are not the only one to have invented that variant. < 1299981564 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat. oh well < 1299981572 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, turn on meta refresh. < 1299981701 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was a kid, I saw kids in the before-school YMCA try a variant: Chess without pawns < 1299981708 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a pawn reaches the other side of the board, it is removed from the board for a number of turns chosen by the player. after a wait of one turn it can return as a knight, two turns a bishop, three turns a rook, or four turns a queen < 1299981729 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less likely someone else has invented that (relatively minor) variant < 1299981781 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "pawns move like rooks" < 1299981867 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how about "bishops can self-destruct, destroying that square on the board (no other piece can ever move into or over that square)" < 1299981872 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe knights could move over < 1299981883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i recall this variant with only pawns and king... < 1299981906 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that as some kind of end-game thing < 1299981926 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, a computer program for playing it < 1299981936 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're thinking, like, all eight pawns < 1299981956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was all eight < 1299981966 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then that's new to me < 1299981982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot find it again, because the obvious name for it happens to be the _actual_ norwegian for tic-tac-toe < 1299982023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been just in some chess book < 1299982066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norwegian for tic-tac-toe is "bondesjakk" which directly translates to pawn chess) < 1299982138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... rather trumped up < 1299982178 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, for checkers, maybe, ok < 1299982183 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tic-tac-toe? < 1299982227 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what do you call a tie in tic-tac-toe, in norwegian? < 1299982238 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a tie meaning, a draw, a stalemate) < 1299982240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's a bit ambiguous between three-in-a-row or five-and-row games < 1299982241 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not farmer's chess? < 1299982252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: um well that too < 1299982267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's specifically that :-P < 1299982268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pawn and farmer are both "bonde" in norwegian < 1299982285 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peon, peasant, prole < 1299982339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Finnish "jätkänšakki"; I think it's just being derogatory about these people who play tic-tac-toe instead of chess < 1299982363 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes some sense < 1299982403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i don't know if there's a specific word for tie in tic-tac-toe in norwegian < 1299982421 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. there is a specific phrase in english, is why i asked < 1299982425 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cat's game" < 1299982425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual word would be "uavgjort", although in chess it's "remis" < 1299982548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkers is "dam" in norwegian, although chinese checkers is "kinasjakk" < 1299982568 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is because chinese checkers is a different game. < 1299982586 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's turkish draughts < 1299982604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but it's also not similar to chess, which the norwegian name would imply < 1299982622 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/44/messages/373.html <-- various entertaining theories on the origins of "cat's game" < 1299982739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf happened to the style of norwegian wikipedia < 1299982777 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're asking the wrong person < 1299982778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's distressing < 1299982783 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're asking me < 1299982785 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can go look < 1299982790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299982808 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, can't help you. looks like wikipedia to me < 1299982819 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in norwegian (I think) < 1299982828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299982835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only that one page < 1299982848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to what cheater00 experienced the other day < 1299982859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except shift-reload did _not_ fix it for me < 1299982860 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-34.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299982869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299982873 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Janis Joplin (1943–1970) var ein amerikansk songar, låtskrivar og musikalsk arrangør." < 1299982901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangqi looks horrendous to me < 1299982922 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, no css, or similar < 1299982944 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i reloaded, and it appeared < 1299982944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so that looks bad for you too? < 1299982954 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time, it did: missing stylesheet < 1299982966 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl+shift+r fixed it < 1299982983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it finally loaded right < 1299983000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you here? < 1299983011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am _sure_ i tried crtl+shift+reload once before < 1299983013 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anyone else somewhat capable of reading Japanese? < 1299983015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ctrl < 1299983023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone say what http://i.imgur.com/fT4Wm.png says? < 1299983043 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the css is coming from a PHP script on a server called bits.wikimedia.org. probably this is new, and less reliable than a static file. i'm guessing < 1299983057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1299983077 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, knee-jerk troubleshooting reaction < 1299983087 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i work at a place that makes websites < 1299983087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That looks like Chinese < 1299983167 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is this < 1299983181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, an error I gt < 1299983197 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no special Chinese or Japanese programs on my computer. < 1299983211 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i would be totally freaked out, then < 1299983225 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you run any sort of spyware and/or virus checker? < 1299983228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I kind of am reaked out a bit < 1299983249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i would suggest trying to copy and paste that title bar into google translate... < 1299983250 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That is definitely not Japanese. < 1299983257 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who can read chinese, and I can ask him, but I won't see him until tomorrow < 1299983259 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already closed < 1299983271 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think it was possible to copy-paste from title bars < 1299983284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's something that will let you OCR chinese characters online... < 1299983287 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks to be Chinese, either Hong Kong or Taiwan-origin. < 1299983313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok maybe it isn't possible < 1299983351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can find some copyable program listing somewhere... < 1299983454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if you interpreted random bytes as unicode, what is the chance that the result would look chinese... < 1299983517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i see some repeated characters in there < 1299983524 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :High < 1299983540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the two ones after the dots < 1299983545 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you picked humans at random, which is the chance they would be chinese < 1299983547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary data in UTF-16 often looks like Chinese < 1299983549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what < 1299983571 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is googlecodesamples.com genuine Google? < 1299983583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOT likes it, but I see no other indication that it's safe < 1299983595 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one character that looks non-chinese there... sort of like "s?" < 1299983676 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: try googling "googlecodesamples.com" -- if google owned it, do you think its result would look like that? < 1299983692 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LIVE! Google Code Samples < 1299983694 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server Clock: Server-Sent Events, , PHP [source]; Offline eBook Reader: Google Chrome Background App feature, AppCache, Server-Sent Events, ..." < 1299983706 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems very non-googly to me < 1299983714 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE EVERYONE: creat@libc.so is STILL AVAILABLE! Donate now and you could be creat@libc.so! < 1299983737 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you should totally announce that in the topic < 1299983754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not Google owned < 1299983764 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like its code is online. Supposedly. < 1299983783 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1299983804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Donate to the Gregoran Somalian Relief Fund, and help Gregor buy libc.so! | Benefits of donation include a vanity @libc.so email address if I win (and a full refund if I don't); creat@libc.so is still available! | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299983868 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: he fell for it! < 1299983868 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: iirc < 1299983980 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Gemooy has an instruction pointer and a data pointer both pointing into the same playfield. i want a language like that, with two pointers into the playfield, but neither is "instruction" or "data", instead they... share those responsibilities equally. < 1299983984 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is exit@libc.so still available? What about system? < 1299983989 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299983994 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck off, Sgeo_ < 1299983998 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Both < 1299984017 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually only malloc, free and fork are explicitly taken, everybody else who's donated has said "I'll choose later durpadurp" < 1299984021 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about cpressey@libc.so? OMG SO MISSING THE POINT < 1299984033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i find references on this google page: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/apps-apis/thread?tid=215415e044109197&hl=en < 1299984076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may be official < 1299984082 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1299984091 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: No, but memcpy and strcpy are available, and both have "cp" in them :P < 1299984128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least officially tolerated < 1299984135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on. I write a lengthy quit message, and Freenode nurfs it? < 1299984165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everyone wants some cp < 1299984190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you have to be logged on for a certain time before quit messages show < 1299984203 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1299984213 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do a whois googlecodesamples.com < 1299984232 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's registered by proxy < 1299984244 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an encouraging sign < 1299984272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late < 1299984280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, lemme just revoke access < 1299984286 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OCR thingy failed, btw < 1299984303 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1299984321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it asked for my password >.> < 1299984326 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why google would tolerate another website claiming "(c)2011 Google" at the bottom of the page < 1299984330 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i'm not them, so < 1299984399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.no/#hl=no&safe=off&biw=1053&bih=620&q=%22googlecodesamples.com%22+site:google.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&fp=6f1a8d5df66b6a9c < 1299984434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what to make of it < 1299984494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm. maybe they intended it as an example url? i notice they don't actually have it in links, just text < 1299984516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're *supposed* to use example.com for that sort of thing though < 1299984542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there is at least one place it's a link, in a message by a google employee in the link i pasted a bit further up < 1299984551 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeird. < 1299984590 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any other domain names that contain the name google are are known to be owned by them> < 1299984593 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299984609 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googlecode.com redirects to code.google.com < 1299984628 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois on that gets back their mountain view office < 1299984643 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -- if googlecodesamples is legit, why on earth did they register it by proxy < 1299984788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose someone may have squatted it after google used it in text but forgot to register it < 1299984822 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: at any rate, if you want one of those addresses, there is really only one that makes sense: sbrk@libc.so < 1299984856 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would make sense; i almost reasoned that far but didn't quite make it < 1299984857 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23.9% of APNIC pool available at the start of this month has already gone poof (9 business days). Crazy. < 1299984861 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why? < 1299984875 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because both sbrk and Sgeo start with s and are 4 letters? < 1299984902 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :four letter words! < 1299984914 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because system() and exit() are for peasants! everyone calls exit()! who calls sbrk()??? only REAL PROGRAMMERS, that's who! < 1299984925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there definitely don't seem to be any high-ranked pages _warning_ against it, though < 1299984993 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how about 'fsck@libc.so', to advertise a delicate, cultured confusion about unix. < 1299985034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is not a correct way to reformat a file system, Alex? < 1299985055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Created on: 6/30/2008 12:57:19 PM < 1299985057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299985125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not new enough to be something google hasn't discovered yet < 1299985136 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, maybe they just don't care < 1299985152 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, it's theirs, in some weird convoluted way < 1299985170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next theory: someone squatted it, quickly got threatened by google's lawyers, and google now owns it but still via the same registrar they originally used < 1299985172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this svr4 .so file is confusing the eff out of nm, readelf and objdump :P < 1299985173 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate i don't think it's any kind of threat, exactly < 1299985227 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk is pretty great :P < 1299985235 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fsck isn't a libc symbol. < 1299985261 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, unlike cpressey, is apparently not into the delicate, cultured confusion thing. So be it. < 1299985283 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i curse thee, DST. i need to get to bed < 1299985288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1299985291 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1299985300 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently svr4 had "pcopy" < 1299986034 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaah*, decaf. Because I both want coffee and want to sleep tonight. < 1299986186 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wish I had a legit C compiler in my svr4 install :( < 1299986864 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299987047 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299987096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did quintopia finish his new bfjoust scoring? < 1299987131 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you end up getting it? < 1299987151 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Like I said, it's up for auction. < 1299987159 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does the auction close? < 1299987179 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :April 4th. It opens March 28th :P < 1299987186 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1299987193 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a good domain names
< 1299987193 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rants
< 1299987203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pants
< 1299987208 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could still have a good email address ;) < 1299987214 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh yeah < 1299987287 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back to work on ports stuff
< 1299988417 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-parse.y:1650.19-20: $$ for the midrule at $4 of `structsp_attr' has no declared type < 1299988422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1299988485 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299988678 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299989024 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299989628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :creat < 1299989638 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAS BEST NICK EVER < 1299989691 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should change his name to longjmp.
< 1299989738 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299990332 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Only if you buy longjmp@libc.so :P < 1299991181 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: creat I win < 1299991197 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299991202 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is the best :-) < 1299991215 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm, it's pretty OK, but :P < 1299991250 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creat is more tongue-in-cheek :P < 1299992319 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299993046 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bop < 1299993476 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Vanity libc.so email addresses! < 1299993482 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299993513 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I'm soliciting donations to try to win libc.so in a closed auction. As benefit for donating, I'm offering vanity @libc.so email addresses if I win :P < 1299993531 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299993536 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299993561 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah, I'm Gregor btw X-D < 1299993606 0 :creat!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1299993634 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snagged creat while it was available :P < 1299993655 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299993666 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | I don't think she'll be too happy with me for letting you do this, but I'm not sure how many entries we'll be having in the first place. < 1299993680 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU OPTBOT < 1299993702 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should disable optbot until this problem can be corrected < 1299993702 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 0xfoo is what I prefer of the alternatives < 1299993721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as the author is concerned, this is a feature X_X < 1299993748 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but it still ought to be corrected. < 1299993767 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ought to change topic messages less often and only under the correct circumstances. < 1299993784 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or else disable that function entirely is another possibility) < 1299993795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The preferable possibility. < 1299993837 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know who wrote that program? < 1299993948 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Betza Notation for moves of pieces in chess variants? < 1299994022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote optbot. < 1299994022 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh snap :P < 1299994047 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Seeeeeya < 1299994141 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my own. I will proceed to type the notation for the moves in FIDE (ignoring special rules such as en passan, promote, double step, castling, check). Rook is "xr1". Bishop is "1r1". Queen is "(x|1)r1". King is "(1)x1". Knight is "2x1". Pawn is "(1c|m)1+". < 1299994153 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you ask elliott to correct it please? < 1299994165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can has optbot banned? :P < 1299994165 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (assuming b /= 0) < 1299994173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it yourself if he were here. < 1299994191 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh ... no? < 1299994205 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, that is an idea to temporarily ban optbot until this problem can be corrected, I guess. < 1299994205 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Interesting way to describe Caramac. < 1299994205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that was in response to zzo38 < 1299994239 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P < 1299994239 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He won't. < 1299994252 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299994281 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my notation for moves of pieces in chess variants? < 1299994285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _am_ still willing to put a temporary +t on the channel, though. < 1299994289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to nick to bdb < 1299994292 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's using it < 1299994404 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: With what topic? < 1299994448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one from just before now? < 1299994466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to #esoteric, the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - #esoteric is not associated with the joke language Perl, for that language please visit www.perl.org or #perl - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299994484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want it to be QUITE that self-serving :P < 1299994508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... what's the point in locking that < 1299994526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have the herobrine logs. < 1299994544 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then perhaps do not lock it. Ask elliott whenever they come on, to correct it. < 1299994552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant if someone actually had some information that needed to stay on it. < 1299994600 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't NEED my libc.so fund to stay in the topic, it just seems stupid that it's being preempted by a fucking markov chain. < 1299994618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so ask elliott to fix it. < 1299994619 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't care if a human was replacing it. < 1299994623 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He won't. < 1299994626 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the purposes of this chanenl, I think nobody has information that needs to stay on it. However, I still think optbot ought to be corrected to change the message less often and not if it has been changed recently. < 1299994656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot should, at most, change the topic iff it doesn't link logs. < 1299994656 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: agbfced < 1299994677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, i am perfectly willing to ban optbot if elliott doesn't make its topic changes less annoying _after_ a warning. < 1299994677 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I agree, carrier pigeons would be more reliable, if slower on average < 1299994682 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Very good idea I think. < 1299994702 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also it is a good idea to give a warning first. < 1299994719 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then ban it temporarily until it can be corrected, if it is still not corrected. < 1299994808 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Donate to the Gregoran Somalian Relief Fund, and help Gregor buy libc.so! | Benefits of donation include a vanity @libc.so email address if I win (and a full refund if I don't); creat@libc.so is still available! | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299994834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about the frequency of optbot's changes, but there should be a way to keep things in the topic. < 1299994834 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Perhaps, either when it doesn't link logs or [some length of time] after it has been last changed, whichever comes first. The length of time here should be at least 24 hours, maye even 7 days if you *really* don't want it changed automatic like that! < 1299994835 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hard to render kanji in low-res, and kana would have been quite long < 1299994860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be no timer. Period. < 1299995013 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think there should be, but it should count from the last change by anyone and it should be very long (make it fourteen days if you are really concerned, or maybe even twenty-eight days). Unless the logs are not linked, in which case the topic change is activated immediately instead. This channel many topic message change, so if it has not changed in fourteen days, it is time to change it! < 1299995036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, but it's never time to change it to a MARKOV CHAIN >_< < 1299995146 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe. Perhaps it can select at random from a list, one choice is markov, one is quotes database, and so on. And then decide at random from that. < 1299995194 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is important that it counts from the last change that anyone made, instead of counting the time only from its own changes. < 1299995196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i disagree with both of you, so there. < 1299995203 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299995211 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What is your opinion then? < 1299995261 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, but I want a C++ keyword! < 1299995279 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Donate $100 or more and I'll give you anything @libc.so :P < 1299995316 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure optbot is actually a Markov chain. < 1299995316 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Not that I have any clue whether gcc would understand that access via that "bar" pointer there would be 16-byte-aligned. Or what auchar[1] would mean. Maybe there would be padding. < 1299995331 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too semantically meaningful. < 1299995342 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's doing random log quotes. < 1299995390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's doing random log quotes. < 1299995391 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: alise, that text is blurry though. < 1299995443 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1299995443 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah it still says it doesn't know the magnet protocol < 1299995446 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot < 1299995451 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.optbot. < 1299995451 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: We could name it "Norton utilities", after the great Discordian Saint. < 1299995455 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[optbot] < 1299995455 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe he meant if you've checked from DSM you can't be sane < 1299995462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, definitely random log quotes. < 1299995462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, EVEN WORSE than a Markov chain X_X < 1299995468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i do not think we should make rules that are more strict than what's needed to solve what is an actual problem. i consider the actual problem here to be that optbot wipes out information from the topic. < 1299995468 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ar isn't difficult. < 1299995479 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungot[optbot < 1299995481 0 :fungot[optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1299995481 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot[optbot: I also don't use reminder text in my cards generally (even if it has no flavor text or arts) < 1299995487 0 :fungot[optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :zzo38 < 1299995491 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299995495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's not. < 1299995502 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe that was an actual zzo38 quote. < 1299995523 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes, I think it is something I was doing with Magic: the Gathering cards. < 1299995698 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299995752 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have never connected there, someone told me that FurNet immediately disconnects you if certain words are received from you. However, I want to try connecting from a computer with a reverse DNS containing one of those words. < 1299995906 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While SlashNet does not immediately disconnect you, but some commands are prohibited if they contain prohibited words, while others do different things in that case. PRIVMSG is then prohibited but not NS, and using it with QUIT causes your quit message to be suppressed but it otherwise works normally. < 1299995951 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a thing, no doubt, suffers from clbuttic problems. < 1299995985 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1299996049 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word happens to be "start keylogger" without the space (some faulty security programs disconnect you if you receive it on IRC). There are also other words such as a command to send a file but with a too long filename, that also is one of the words that is considered prohibited. < 1299996075 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely clbuttic problems. < 1299996116 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes, there is, a bit. < 1299996139 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I, myself, do not think the IRC server should do that. Or, at least, make it a usermode for the receiver.) < 1299996150 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: bye < 1299996186 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider naive filtering to be a clbuttic mistake < 1299996225 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rarely even buttists in solving the problem; it's no more effective than a glbutt wall < 1299996225 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299996247 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes I do, too. A clbuttic mistake is found in many things and doesn't work well in many cases. < 1299996261 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it should be avoided. < 1299996314 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, at least, made into a usermode for the receiver. Some forum software makes it a configuration option in the preferences of the receiver. Some even allows custom filters as well as setting which ones are sender, receiver, or both.) < 1299996343 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I mean the individual users can define custom filters for themself. I just turned off all built-in and custom filters.) < 1299996387 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, still, if someone is able to configure their reverse DNS, try connecting to FurNet with the forbidden words in your reverse DNS to see what happens. < 1299996405 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider the english language as a canvbutt; why restrict users from using certain colors? < 1299996484 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes I agree that you should not restrict users in this way. They can decide for themself not to use certain colors, words, phrases, sentences, or whatever. Or, decide to use anything; perhaps even non-English texts if they will include some in whatever they are typing. < 1299996518 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concur wholeheartedly < 1299996724 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other similar mistakes that are meant not to censor/filter words but other things, also sometimes do that, such as someone wanted to replace their HTML with XHTML, so they just did a global search/replace "br" to "br /" and obviously that mixed up every word with "br" in it (replacing "
" would have been better, but still not perfect). < 1299996766 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in one instance someone managed to remove all "t" (only lowercase) from their main webpage (both inside and outside of tags). < 1299996968 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion about my notations for describing how pieces can move in a kind of chess variant game? < 1299996989 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen that variant or notation < 1299997009 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Notation for FIDE pieces: Rook is "xr1". Bishop is "1r1". Queen is "(x|1)r1". King is "(1)x1". Knight is "2x1". Pawn is "(1c|m)1+". < 1299997052 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand it < 1299997052 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not describing particular variants; I am talking about a general notation that might be used for multiple kind of games. Betza notation is another such notation. < 1299997062 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably bad < 1299997080 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I can't, from the FIDE pieces and your notation, understand the notatoin < 1299997157 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OK I can explain a bit. It can have a form [horizontal-direction][horizontal-number][move-flags][vertical-number][vertical-direction]. < 1299997189 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "r" means rider, "x" means the horizontal and vertical can be swapped, and so on. < 1299997195 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now can you understand it a bit? < 1299997199 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1299997303 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the Rook example, "xr1" is where "1" is the vertical-number, "x" means that it could be horizontal instead, "r" means it can move multiple times in that direction. So, it can move horizontal or vertical, moving one step each time and is allowed to move more than one space. < 1299997371 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... that's pretty cumbersome, I'd say < 1299997377 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are no flags and the result would be ambiguous if that part is omitted, use "_" as the flags. < 1299997410 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the x modifier seems silly < 1299997429 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume symmetric moves by default < 1299997441 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes a bit more cumbersome than Betza notation, but probably more versatile (I did not describe all things about rule, yet). < 1299997483 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OK, that is a good point; still removing such modifier might cause problems in some other cases. < 1299997516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is easier to add symmetry than to remove it... < 1299998440 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299998487 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300000786 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300001417 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300001555 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1300001845 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300002540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300002785 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300003123 0 :Okhotnik!~okhotnik_@87.241.223.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300003199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1300003200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1300003304 0 :Okhotnik!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300003726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300004771 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-247-21.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300004773 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300005116 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds symmetry to oerjan's gestalt
< 1300005412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUM < 1300005459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey wait a minute, i've been trying to _avoid_ becoming spherical... < 1300005538 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i made you a horned-sphere. < 1300005607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaa < 1300005621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how diabolic. < 1300005647 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahahhaha! < 1300005658 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also gave you a hunch < 1300005672 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horns and a hunch, very diabolic. < 1300005688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a hunch it would be. < 1300005728 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and hoofs < 1300005736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof < 1300005896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300005966 0 :cheater97!~cheater@g224201184.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300005971 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hooves, isn't it? :D < 1300005988 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300006720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Guinness Book of Records doesn't accept records with a health and safety risk. < 1300006723 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1300006991 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. RIPE NCC is also exhausting quite rapidly. Not as crazy rate as APNIC but still pretty fast. < 1300007072 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300007086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube won't let me create another account without my postcode. < 1300007155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION enters SW1A 2AA
< 1300007250 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the east end < 1300007268 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no strand < 1300007301 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, would be nice to be living there, wouldn't it? < 1300007345 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost got a job next to number 10, but didn't feel like moving back to london < 1300007568 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's SW1A 2AA? Some special code? < 1300007576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 Downing Street. < 1300007581 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. < 1300007626 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, reminds me of 90210 in US zip codes. That isn't special (but seems very popular nevertheless). :-) < 1300007660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, /r/truetruereddit has 543 subscribers. < 1300007674 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees how far the rabbit hole goes.
< 1300007837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, only as far as truetruetruereddit, which has 9. < 1300007838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300008196 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300008563 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Using Plato's detailed account of Atlantis as a map, searches have focused on the Mediterranean and Atlantic as the best possible sites for the city.]] < 1300008567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DON'T SAY < 1300008947 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300008980 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1300010157 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-172-160.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300010160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300010255 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-200.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300014644 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300016208 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300016625 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300018494 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300018535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300018535 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | And, uh, well, not the entire compiler, I guess. < 1300018541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> <_< >_> <_< < 1300018589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:12:23 oklopol, so, uh, circuscheme. < 1300018590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:15:28 How do you have an uncountably infinite tree? < 1300018591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't. < 1300018595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by definition. < 1300018605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well almost < 1300018623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:18:00 hmm, that might be one reason why people like axiom-of-choiceless systems < 1300018623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:18:06 even though they don't seem to correspond to reality too well < 1300018625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they do < 1300018632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what was he going on about countably infinite trees for? < 1300018634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you're not referring to Banach-Tarski < 1300018646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because that's what they are < 1300018671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:36:58 *two people never modify a file in the exact same way*; that's not a realistic user case. <-- um what if there's a single, obvious fix to a bug? < 1300018671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? Banach-Tarski would be an argument that systems with choice don't correspond to reality. < 1300018686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's possible, but even if the exact same change was made, you can trivially merge them < 1300018693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, sg's algorithm can't < 1300018694 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stupid argument, but an argument nonetheless. < 1300018695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It is NOT. < 1300018702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know! < 1300018710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*You* *cannot* *do* *that* *to* *physical* *spheres*. < 1300018718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I'm hoping ais doesn't mean it. < 1300018736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*But* if you're going to argue of choice or ¬choice corresponds to reality, Banach-Tarski would be an argument for ¬choice. < 1300018743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. you cannot deconstruct a ball into such "pieces" IRL) < 1300018751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, banach-tarski wouldn't be either way < 1300018753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's irrelevant < 1300018770 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK, but *if you decided to use it either way, it would be for ¬choice*. < 1300018777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1300018784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[14:00:45] 23:15:28 How do you have an uncountably infinite tree?" by having one? < 1300018784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can still be hoping that ais won't use such a stupid argument. < 1300018797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but true, it's impossible < 1300018810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's my point, he couldn't be, since he's saying that ¬choice doesn't correspond to reality. < 1300018814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, not it's not < 1300018819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, being stupid < 1300018821 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he wouldn't use Banach-Tarski to argue it even if he was an idiot. < 1300018825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300018829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :axiom of choice_less_ < 1300018834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he said choice_ful_ < 1300018842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if degrees are finite, then every connected component must be countable < 1300018847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: unless he thinks he can duplicate spheres :D < 1300018855 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | What should rem-0 be in funge? Taking /0 = 0 and thus 0? < 1300018910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, YouTube requires a post code to create an account. Comment. < 1300018941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh, no? < 1300018949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1. Make Google Account. Step 2. There is no < 1300019017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a tree is uncountable, then of course there even has to be a vertex of uncountable degree, because a countable union of countable sets is countable < 1300019023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, it did for me... < 1300019040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for graphs in general < 1300019043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connected ones < 1300019514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so how would you do evaluation order in circuscheme? < 1300019601 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-vsvlkxjamlqciiox JOIN :#esoteric < 1300019615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lord < 1300019618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long does this conference laugh < 1300019622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a value is assigned to every node such that for every node, its value is the value of its operations done on the values of its children < 1300019636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts incompetently to convince the FlightGear IRC channel that XML is not a terribly good format for storing trees.
< 1300019640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is done nondeterministically < 1300019641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all. < 1300019645 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guten morgen fraulein, sprechen sie PYTHON??!?? < 1300019646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a fail < 1300019658 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, NOOOO < 1300019662 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY HAVE TURNED YOU < 1300019665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: PYTÖN < 1300019678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: please tell me you translated all the keywords to german < 1300019681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as alternatives < 1300019846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entschuldigung nein < 1300020140 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' "[14:00:45] 23:15:28 How do you have an uncountably infinite tree?"' <- have a countably infinite number of branches at each node? at a guess. < 1300020195 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, rem-0 should be 0, logically. < 1300020201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rem-0? < 1300020207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, exactly like that < 1300020208 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see topic < 1300020219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300020221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even one node < 1300020236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: indeed < 1300020239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was me :) < 1300020245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave in and implemented funge-98. < 1300020246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell. < 1300020247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm < 1300020251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even reasonably fast!!!!!1 < 1300020267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: the tsunami has turned Japan into Gears of War. < 1300020271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stalled on like... implementing TOYS or something else non-trivial < 1300020285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is connectivity is defined by finite paths, so connected components will be countable unless you have uncountable degrees locally, somewhere < 1300020287 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the acid test is what mycology says about it < 1300020298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I pretty much coded to Mycology, so yeah :P < 1300020315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All GOOD including the handful of fingerprints. Really Mycology is a metacircular specification < 1300020321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having almost no relation to the spec :) < 1300020337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, OK, so most of the unambiguous cases are obvious.) < 1300020356 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"metacircular specification"? < 1300020364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you feeling alright? < 1300020382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It defines the language it's written in. < 1300020385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does it have no relation to the spec? < 1300020393 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right, only one node, as long as you also have infinite paths downard < 1300020394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an executable, metacircular semantics, serving as the specification of Mycology Funge-98. < 1300020405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: erm, or finite ones < 1300020409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because when the spec is ambiguous, it makes up its own interpretation, or if the spec says you must d o something totally useless < 1300020414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes with the more useful interpretation < 1300020419 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1300020440 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: er - what if you have a root node, with a countably infinite number of children, but they're all leafs? that's not uncountable < 1300020440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say take V = R \cup \{z\}, and E = R \times \{z\} < 1300020461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have a countably infinite number of branches at each node? at a guess." sorry, misread < 1300020476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help to have COUNTABLE degrees at each node < 1300020480 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if you have UNcountably infinite branches at one node, then yes the tree is uncountable :) < 1300020484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will have to have at least one node with uncountable degree < 1300020489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i proved earlier < 1300020511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i believe you :) it was just a guess < 1300020526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because for all k, the set of nodes you can reach with a path of length k or less will be countable, if all degrees are < 1300020545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the whole graph's vertices are a union of a countable number of these countable sets < 1300020551 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300020558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the whole graph is countable. assuming it was connected. < 1300020573 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300020583 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems like you could represent the reals in it... someh < 1300020587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1300020587 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1300020609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see there's no node at the end of your infinite paths < 1300020613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300020644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an infinite path in the graph, but any node on it is still reachable in a finite amount of steps < 1300020651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no last digit in pi either < 1300020662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and the length of pi is countable < 1300020690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't biject reals with the digits of pi just like you can't biject them with this graph < 1300020695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Against my better judgement, read today's xkcd. < 1300020698 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. giving up. thanks :) < 1300020700 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the alt-text. < 1300020710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this confuses you, read a book on set theory, this can be a bit mind-blowing at first < 1300020727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't have a reason to punch Randall Munroe in the face already, you will now. < 1300020753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, are you confused as to countable vs. uncountable infinity? < 1300020765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: all you have to know is i gave you a proof of countability, if you don't believe it, tell me where the error is, not where your intuition disagrees < 1300020862 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it wouldn't occur to me to use that phrase; possibly because funge doesn't know what GOOD means. < 1300020900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1300020901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1300020902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what phrase < 1300020905 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, I assume by "funge-98" you mean you implemented Une-, Be-, and Tre- < 1300020914 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the phrase "metacircular etc" < 1300020926 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, i'm not < 1300020932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's a program, that when run, prints out lots of GOOD or BAD lines according to whether the interpreter is correct or not. < 1300020949 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, i know that < 1300020960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Occasionally it contradicts the literal word of the Funge-98 specification when it says something particularly stupid; occasionally it makes up its own interpretation when there is extreme ambiguity. < 1300020966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, FWIW, the *set* of all infinite graphs is uncountable. < 1300020966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it defines its own language. < 1300020972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not executable semantics for a language. < 1300020975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is an executable specification. < 1300020982 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my point was you have to know what GOOD means to interpret its rest < 1300020985 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :result < 1300020999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a predicate Myco that takes an interpreter I and returns whether that's a valid interpreter. You run it by doing I(Myco). < 1300021014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well, that's no more of a problem than the fact that the C++ spec is written in English. < 1300021034 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would you call the C++ spec metacircular < 1300021035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Of course a metacircular specification is not a very useful thing without any outside pointers, because the program could mean literally anything :) < 1300021051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ON A VERY NON-PEDANTIC NOTE, THE CLASS OF ALL GRAPHS IS A PROPER CLASS < 1300021061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a joke than anything, but if you implement the Funge-98 spec to the letter, then you'll be able to run Mycology and get enough info to make it pass :-P < 1300021065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.) < 1300021082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the place where it literally contradicts the spec, btw, is in y < 1300021084 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< cpressey> elliott: also, I assume by "funge-98" you mean you implemented Une-, Be-, and Tre- < 1300021087 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300021103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I replied, didn't I? Maybe it's in my paste-buffer. < 1300021111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I implemented Befunge, but plan to extend it to N-funge for any N. < 1300021116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language::Befunge does this < 1300021120 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300021125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also plan to implement TRDS, because I'm a madman. < 1300021138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the bit that Mycology contradicts... except actually the spec contradicts itself < 1300021140 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're aspiring to be the next AnMaster < 1300021141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13. 1 vector containing the least point which contains a non-space cell, relative to the origin (env) < 1300021142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 vector containing the greatest point which contains a non-space cell, relative to the least point (env) < 1300021142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These two vectors are useful to give to the o instruction to output the entire program source as a text file. < 1300021147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*14. 1 vector (for the second) < 1300021155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I usually respond to someone else doing something good by figuring out a reason that they're not really as good as they seem.]] < 1300021160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, by the literal reading of the spec, #13 and #14 should always have an ACTUAL NON-SPACE CHARACTER there < 1300021161 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Randall Munroe. < 1300021164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's not the tightest square bounds < 1300021176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the tightest x and y for which there is another coordinate that goes with it to return a non-space cell < 1300021182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it says "These two vectors are useful to give to the o instruction to output the entire program source as a text file." < 1300021202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300021203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1300021212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#13 should be the smallest (x,y) that contains a non-space cell < 1300021216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1300021224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smallest (x,y) such that when paired with #14, all non-space cells are contained within < 1300021233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but the o line, depending on how perversely you're willing to interpret useful, means it MUST be a rectangular bound, as intended < 1300021243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mycology takes that interpretation, which is totally lame < 1300021249 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with all the interesting ideas you have, why on earth did you implement Befunge-98 < 1300021252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, you've all stopped listening :) < 1300021253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah that's kind of an interesting thing to say < 1300021260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It sounded like fun. < 1300021267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I do lots of stupid things. < 1300021271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, best part is that he's not averse to doing good things himself. < 1300021279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah elliott is pretty stupid < 1300021291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's less than 4000 lines of Haskell including fingerprints, and I got to use several type system extensions, so I can definitively state that implementing Befunge-98 is trivial. < 1300021306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A problem is non-trivial when it takes over 5,000 lines of Haskell to implement.) < 1300021317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope he gets tonnes of people telling him how funding that school in Africa is nothing to be proud of. < 1300021365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he sport that on the webpage or something? < 1300021398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: AFAICT implementing Funge-98 is actually interesting, just not in the parts that matter < 1300021408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting things include efficient fungespace structures < 1300021419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninteresting things include all the instructions :) < 1300021422 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it be both interesting and trivial? < 1300021440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I think that's a deeper question than you intended. < 1300021445 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1300021455 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you underestimate me < 1300021463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fermat's Last Theorem is pretty trivial. < 1300021470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it not interesting? < 1300021472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I'm having another attack of "I can't realistically go to university for another year and a half and I'll have all but one of the qualifications I actually need by this summer." < 1300021479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trivial? < 1300021484 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you implement it in less than 5kloc of hskell? < 1300021486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The theorem is. < 1300021492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That the only proof we have isn't is irrelevant. < 1300021501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, it's relevant; it contributes to the interestingness.) < 1300021506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assumed you meant the implementation. i mean you didn't say *befunge* is trivial, you said implementing it is < 1300021508 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weeeelll... < 1300021519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge being trivial, and implementing it being interesting have nothing to do with each other < 1300021525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proof < 1300021529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The theorem *itself* isn't trivial in the sense of "has no other use in mathematics"; the proof alone demonstrates this. < 1300021538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's trivial in statement. < 1300021552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK. < 1300021552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Anyway, I haven't _written_ a fancy fungespace structure :) < 1300021560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a decent enough one so far to pass Mycology. < 1300021567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so the actual theorem is both interesting and trivial, right < 1300021572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still has pathological cases. < 1300021574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you mean the interesting thing was the proof < 1300021577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1300021583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meant < 1300021586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the fact that the proof is so complicated contributes to the interestingness of the theorem though, IMO < 1300021594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely < 1300021596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the theorem is so trivial < 1300021609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the method of the proof also increases the interestingness. < 1300021634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! now let's all pretend we understand the proof < 1300021652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, in its original statement it's just a rather isolated number theory thing with none of the vastness of the influence it actually has < 1300021665 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And surely we all understand the *outline* of the proof? < 1300021676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaguely, I didn't really look too hard < 1300021689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so which are you gonna prove the riemann hypothesis to be when you grow up, false or true < 1300021706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought oklopol didn't like numbers very much. < 1300021718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's going to prove it to be trivial < 1300021726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by implementing it in Haskell? < 1300021728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1300021734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, the Riemann hypothesis isn't trivial in statement. < 1300021745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's not all that complex. < 1300021771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires complexes, it's not trivial < 1300021780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complexes are pretty trivial. < 1300021785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they're not < 1300021788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reals aren't < 1300021805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, but once you have the reals you have the complexes trivially. < 1300021854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" And surely we all understand the *outline* of the proof?" << no never heard it, what is it? < 1300021915 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: please summarize the outline of the proof for oklopol's benefit < 1300021922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's how much i know: elliptic something < 1300021930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll wait until Phantom_Hoover finishes, then ask cpressey for the tl;dr < 1300021946 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, if there exists a solution to the equation, that implies there exists a certain elliptic equation which cannot be modular. < 1300021955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: btw if i hadn't been implementing befunge-98 i'd have been playing minecraft, so it was probably a positive use of my time :) < 1300021962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, *cannot have a corresponding modular form < 1300021969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what's an elliptic equation? always wondered but never checked < 1300021972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1300021974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how long amazon shipping takes, like a year prolly < 1300021983 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you just keep believing that < 1300021983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, seventy years < 1300022006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i'm not quite sure you understand just what a waste of time minecraft is < 1300022010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I don't know, really. They're a certain form of equation with interesting behaviour which has nothing to do with ellipses directly. < 1300022035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i have this hunch it's just a third degree equation with multiple variables and some extra shit < 1300022038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's wp < 1300022064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And modular forms are something to do with complex analysis and group theory and maybe topology. < 1300022089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Taniyama-Shimura says that they're equivalent in a specific way. < 1300022105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xkcd.com/865/ me like < 1300022126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are equivalent in a specific way? < 1300022131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those fields? < 1300022150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, erm, elliptic equations and modular forms. < 1300022170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh erm right < 1300022182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some crazy shit they got there < 1300022202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that one was a pretty good xkcd for recently < 1300022209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR they have some generator thingy which happen to correspond perfectly, and the conjecture was that that the generator thingy for elliptic equations would always correspond to a generator thingy for a modular form. < 1300022215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had this fun little course by some famous guy about automata in number theory so now i'm all about decimal expansions temporarily < 1300022230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how this has gone from < 1300022230 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love generator thingies < 1300022231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i occasionally like numbers, but i suck at that stuff :( < 1300022235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : we all know the thing of the thing right? < 1300022238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, tell me < 1300022241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well it's A and B < 1300022244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's A and B < 1300022246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : uh < 1300022248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dunno < 1300022257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to uh < 1300022258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to that < 1300022263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have difficulty keeping track of my words. < 1300022281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: generators, the best thing ever!! < 1300022289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1300022289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, you can get an elliptic equation the generator thingy of which cannot correspond to a modular form, so ¬Fermat → ¬Taniyama-Shimura. < 1300022336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Taniyama-Shimura → Fermat, and Wiles' proof is a proof of a sufficient subproblem of Taniyama-Shimura. < 1300022338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any kind of intuition for what this generator thingy is? i mean i don't see how an equation can have a generator of any kind < 1300022354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh umm < 1300022356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1300022363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me read that again < 1300022376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOMBS, FROGS, GOATS < 1300022384 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN BOMBS AGAIN < 1300022410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i... newsletter, can is ign up < 1300022411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300022412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: < 1300022413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Phantom_Hoover < 1300022436 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO YOU ARE WRONG. CPRESSEY=PHANTOM_HOOVER < 1300022445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did wiles prove that in certain cases, the generator thingy of an elliptic equation (curve?) corresponds to one of a modular form, and that if fermat is not true, then you find an elliptic equation of this form such that you can't find a modular form for it? < 1300022466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yeah, basically. Well. < 1300022477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiles proved he's a wily fox < 1300022478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it < 1300022480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiles...y fox < 1300022489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fermat-to-elliptic-curve thing was proven by someone else. < 1300022491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : NO YOU ARE WRONG. CPRESSEY=PHANTOM_HOOVER < 1300022493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one's the alter-ego < 1300022494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a course on elliptic curves in our uni occasionally, but i think it's more about its applications in coding theory < 1300022496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1300022500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ph you pretending to be an irritating kid, because that's really funny < 1300022505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for swatting
< 1300022507 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know what this generator thingy is called or based in < 1300022507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the kids do these days < 1300022532 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do technology < 1300022536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1300022540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to be technologised. < 1300022554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm still wondering about the generator thingy too, are we talking about some sort of generating set w.r.t. some operation, that generates the set of solutions to an elliptic equation or what? < 1300022559 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc doesn't count of course < 1300022570 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swatpans elliott
< 1300022577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't wait until facebook reinvents ir < 1300022578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1300022581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably they already have < 1300022582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I forgot the little --==\#/ < 1300022595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact, only lamers make up their own swatting insrtument < 1300022601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly cuz vorpal did it first < 1300022615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't, I stuck oerjan's swatting instruments together. < 1300022617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, now i wanna know how fermat is proved :( < 1300022628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: with ducks :) < 1300022661 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof is in the pudding < 1300022670 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"software without software: the zen of softwareless software" < 1300022673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, I got this from a book which was (highbrow) pop mathematics, so I'm by no means an expert. < 1300022687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIGHBROW POP MATHEMATICS < 1300022695 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get that on a shirt < 1300022696 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i heard people who invented computers hard-wired them to prevent the tabs vs spaces dispute. < 1300022701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that... < 1300022709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i can't decide whether love or hate < 1300022751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, y'know, not going over the same thing fifty times because you can't depend on the audience having paid attention. < 1300022757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M LOOKING AT YOU BRIAN COX < 1300022782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he used to be a pop star, he's used to making money by repeating the same thing over and over again for three minutes < 1300022784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1300022784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNAP < 1300022789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1300022795 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to steal that. < 1300022807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION PATENTS JOKE
< 1300022872 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: choose life. < 1300022890 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that movie had nothing to do with spotting trains < 1300022900 0 :hirnstein!~ich@dslb-088-074-185-163.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300022900 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants money back
< 1300022904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :D < 1300022914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope some old conservative trainspotters went and saw it or something < 1300022944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia: There are still some pure 'trainspotters' (see below), but a large proportion of UK enthusiasts have wider interests than mere 'spotting'. < 1300022946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) ;) ;) < 1300022957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[15:08:50] oklopol, well, I got this from a book which was (highbrow) pop mathematics, so I'm by no means an expert." <<< well of course you did, no one's crazy enough to actually read the proof; i'm just wondering if the book used a fancier term than generator thingy that i can google :) < 1300022975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the proof < 1300022977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by reading the header < 1300022977 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it was the hobby of the uncle of the kid who can't run away from the shop at the beginning < 1300022981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then scrolling really fast to the bottom < 1300022983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was L-series or something for elliptic forms. < 1300022986 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1300022996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*equations < 1300022998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still took like three minutes < 1300023003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what is "highbrow" pop mathematics? < 1300023005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what the corresponding thing is for modular form. < 1300023008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, has some details in there < 1300023014 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yeah, basically. < 1300023017 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: god damnit stop saying the same words as i! < 1300023017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300023022 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of these http://www.ncomputing.com/products-lseries < 1300023023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming your audience aren't scared by numbers. < 1300023075 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only certain numbers scare me < 1300023078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1300023080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 scares me < 1300023085 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3333333333333333333333333333333333 < 1300023095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omega, because Cthulhu lives there. < 1300023097 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 3 < 1300023100 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 sort of looks like a butt < 1300023122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 IS NOT LESS THAN 3 < 1300023136 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is < 1300023144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, they renamed the Taniyama-Shimura Conjecture to the modularity theorem? < 1300023150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody mathematicians. < 1300023169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike using people's names in theorems < 1300023180 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp! DISQUS IS NOT IN THE CLOUD < 1300023183 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's sort of annoying < 1300023189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the humanity < 1300023191 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand every second theorem is euler's theorem < 1300023193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1300023199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300023203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries
< 1300023212 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other it's the Mzxdzszszszsz theorem, try and pronounce it. < 1300023213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you seen those stupid "to the Cloud!" Windows ads and raged at them accordingly? < 1300023226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i just want Windows 8 Cloud < 1300023236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that runs by downloading the code for everything from microsoft servers < 1300023240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then uploading it to another server < 1300023241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it executes < 1300023243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does VNC to you < 1300023256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euler's Taniyama-Shimura Modularity Theorem < 1300023276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we just prefix Euler's in front of everything in mathematics? < 1300023278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :save a lot of trouble < 1300023278 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: almost. you need to find the kanji for the names. < 1300023286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, just call all constants Euler's constant < 1300023289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all theorems Euler's theorem < 1300023290 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and then have a german maths student pronounce it. < 1300023299 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300023301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euler's conjecture < 1300023323 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to do stuff (this is a general statement) < 1300023336 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: just do it. < 1300023364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater97: that's what that shoe company tells me, too < 1300023382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you should visit here more often, so that such silly thoughts of "doing things" are quickly forgotten < 1300023396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very therapeutic < 1300023436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300023436 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | asiekierka, not in funge 93 < 1300023439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300023439 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | "Hello from my TABLET!!!" < 1300023442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has exam tomorrow so i'm probably going to go real soon. < 1300023464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so i actually bought the book, WHO'S DEDICATED *NOW* < 1300023475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck, oklopol < 1300023480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300023481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1300023483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1300023487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda just tend to assume he'll doperfectly < 1300023490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how many buttons did you have to press? < 1300023490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do perfectly < 1300023490 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: bad luck! i hope you crash and burn. < 1300023491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like always < 1300023499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like 25??? < 1300023502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i had a mistake in my graph theory exam < 1300023505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a very stressful clicky experience < 1300023514 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's an old student custom to wish bad luck on exams otherwise you might spoil it) < 1300023515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a bit vague" < 1300023521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :O < 1300023527 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, i just saw why that tree thing isn't uncountable :) < 1300023528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give them ALL THE FUCKING DETAILS < 1300023534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove everything from the peano axioms from scratch < 1300023542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, i wasn't even really thinking abotu ti < 1300023544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh so you read my one line proof already? < 1300023546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300023561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jk < 1300023562 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300023572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300023601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this touchpad would be nicer if ubuntu wasn't stupid about it < 1300023621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but um, in the ergodic theory exam i actually made this huge mistake, the theorem was not provable using my technique at all < 1300023641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ... < 1300023651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ignore oklopol ;; too far < 1300023652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i'll ever get over that < 1300023668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better put a sticky note on this laptop reminding me to never talk to oklopol again < 1300023669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like LOL SO EASY LOLOLOL < 1300023676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300023678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i trusted you oklopol. < 1300023711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but turns out things were east because i had started my proof by essentially stating that for every three points A, B, C, B is between A and C in pretty much every possible sense < 1300023715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*easy < 1300023750 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wtf? < 1300023764 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is called "B" < 1300023766 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have just degraded yourself in my eyes :D < 1300023769 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more do you need? < 1300023780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is not very clever. < 1300023785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1300023788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never learned the alphabet. < 1300023791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300023805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that meant i accidentally reversed a < and didn't notice because a certain theorem applied in such a nice way to the result < 1300023825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm certainly not clever, i doubt i've ever claimed that < 1300023850 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i know there's a reason why there's "klop" in "oklopol" < 1300023864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm yes :D < 1300023869 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300023875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"python" is an anagram of "hypnot", which is the first part of the name "hypnotoad", which is from an animated series which is known to refer to programming languages < 1300023891 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all the proof i need < 1300023974 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1300023988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i have that ergodic theory exam paper anywhere, i can't seem to recall what the problem was... < 1300023993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should prolly ask ilkka tomorrow < 1300023995 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oklopol" is an anagram of... well i'm sure i'll find something < 1300024008 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not know what to say. < 1300024011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure he likes me using his name here < 1300024016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall call him mister x from now one < 1300024017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1300024043 0 :hirnstein!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300024160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is a villa. < 1300024180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most everywisely < 1300024203 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop-lok < 1300024214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lok is not english < 1300024231 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look-lop < 1300024249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lop look works in theory < 1300024254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300024261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look-lop could be a verb i guess < 1300024262 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-185.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300024266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspect, then cut < 1300024269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300024277 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300024286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looklop would make a great higher-order function < 1300024290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what it does though < 1300024345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with pythonistas and list comprehensions? EVERY LANGUAGE HAS THOSE < 1300024349 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, approximately < 1300024365 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they just looooooooooooooooooooooooooove them < 1300024390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python's are better tho < 1300024432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not, but still < 1300024434 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to find out why someday < 1300024439 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now, adios < 1300024452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best os there is < 1300024559 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300024570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300024645 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300024706 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300025188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is it with pythonistas and list comprehensions? EVERY LANGUAGE HAS THOSE < 1300025191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not C, or perl < 1300025193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300025195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ruby < 1300025203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all good languages have them < 1300025209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pythonistaaas have never used good languages < 1300025299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which languages are good? < 1300025310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coq doesn't have list comprehensions! < 1300025346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell < 1300025353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh... Erlang has them I think X-D < 1300025363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think cpressey's used Erlang, so yeah < 1300025376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epigram doesn't! < 1300026239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You could probably define it in Epigram... dunno about the syntax though :) < 1300026244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do it with syntax in Agda. < 1300026262 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php doesn't have list comprehensions! < 1300026456 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@conference/pycon/x-pukgqdlbibyywuie JOIN :#esoteric < 1300026489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and one more thing, INTROSPECT IS NOT A TRANSITIVE VERB < 1300026497 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CANNOT INTROSPECT YOU < 1300026563 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what it was was that i saw how to diagonlize the tree i was building from the reals < 1300026573 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: more of them things < 1300026581 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it took me this long to even explain that part of it < 1300026584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300026600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you build a tree from the reals exactly? < 1300026626 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i thought you could, but you can't. just like you can't build a table for them, classic diagonalization argument by whatshisname. < 1300026633 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :german guy < 1300026645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who cares who did that obvious thing < 1300026649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I CANNOT INTROSPECT YOU < 1300026650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300026658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a language based on objects introspecting other objects < 1300026659 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AAAAIIIIRRRRGGGGGHHHHHhhh < 1300026661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>______> < 1300026671 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IT ALREADY IS < 1300026673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, they cause the object to introspect itself and return what it sees < 1300026676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was g�del's idea < 1300026677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the object itself can't use it < 1300026694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(opposite of a public method, it's a ... something method?) < 1300026706 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :private-and-only-usable-by-others < 1300026722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no, objects can call their own private methods :P < 1300026727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and er < 1300026733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other objects can't call the private method < 1300026737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact it's the opposite of private < 1300026739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saw how to diagonalize the tree you were building from the reals? can you elaborate, you take a tree with nodes tagged with reals and then what? < 1300026757 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public-but-only-discoverable-through-"introspection"-by-others < 1300026770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm saying that the introspect method ITSELF would be this :P < 1300026780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would, of course, access all methods by finding a private method using the introspect method. < 1300026789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: To call one of your OWN methods, you get another object to do it. < 1300026808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you use their decimal expansions or something? < 1300026809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do this by introspecting the other object (causing it to introspect itself), getting the appropriate method that ends up calling you, and passing yourself to it. < 1300026898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: come on, this is genius. < 1300026900 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, i took my original tree (countable # of children at each node, countably deep.) and... assigned decimal expansions to each path (every child is another digit in a countably long number). and... some flash of "you could read that tree and diagonalize to derive a path that isn't in it". < 1300026910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two types of method < 1300026919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only_other_objects_can_access, and private (which you use for public) < 1300026922 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically realizing it's not really different from the table from ... that guy < 1300026932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the crazy guy < 1300026936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm oh < 1300026947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g�del, i thought you mean that < 1300026949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300026954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy who doesn't believe in reals < 1300026963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g�del was crazy too, ofc, but not mathematically < 1300026965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceiling burger? < 1300026970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zeilberger) < 1300026973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300026987 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts with a k? i should look this up < 1300026998 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kantor < 1300027005 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, cantor < 1300027007 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you prefer. < 1300027012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1300027013 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was he much crazy? < 1300027022 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, he was a bit crazy. < 1300027023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cantor < 1300027036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR he ended up in a mental institution. < 1300027040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g�del came up with similar ideas with the integers < 1300027068 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"guy who doesn't believe in the reals" made me think of someone else < 1300027080 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kronecker < 1300027084 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to look that one up though < 1300027091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not kronecker < 1300027091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah finitists < 1300027093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :john something < 1300027094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeilberger is cooler though < 1300027097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't believe in the integers :> < 1300027103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even the naturals. < 1300027106 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in the integers < 1300027109 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean < 1300027113 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the prime ones < 1300027118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your graph thing is similar to something a crazy guy said once < 1300027123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's an infinite set, it doesn't exist < 1300027155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't he? < 1300027165 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: much like aristotle, i have access to an infinitely powerful computer, so it exists for me < 1300027166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because they're infinite < 1300027177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you do? can I have an account? < 1300027200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and why doesn't he believe in infinite sets? < 1300027200 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure thing. to start, just speak into the parrot < 1300027218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because he's an ultrafinitist/strong constructivist < 1300027226 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make sure to close your eyes when the zebras run past < 1300027228 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest if trivial < 1300027232 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1300027245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: this is an interesting look into how prolonged exposure to Python damages the mind. < 1300027266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SNOW CRASH OMG U HAVE TO READ SNOW CRASH HAVE YOU READ SNOW CRASH??? < 1300027288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, list comprehensions, and introspecting other things. < 1300027304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how long does PyCon last? < 1300027308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and a lot of dick-waving general nerdiness of course < 1300027324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I was even _planning_ to read snow crash sometime < 1300027328 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, the "Con" part of it ends today. there is a "sprint" part that i'm not attending that continues the rest of this week < 1300027332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The book presents the Sumerian language as the firmware programming language for the brainstem, which is supposedly functioning as the BIOS for the human brain." < 1300027334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no longer! < 1300027355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[No-Intro] Nintendo - Super Nintendo Entertainment System (20100805) [Various/1990]" FUCKYES < 1300027362 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sumerians and their NLP < 1300027381 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coisse them ratfaces < 1300027430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i knew what merging is. < 1300027442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm really surprised that you don't have access to an infinitely powerful computer already, given how frequently you spell the letter E backwards, and A upside-down < 1300027456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has taken over cpressey's mind! < 1300027464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly, everyone else's. < 1300027465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it was john gabriel http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2010/02/_so_remember_back_in.php < 1300027468 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes some skill to misspell a letter < 1300027475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're "discussing" that tree thing < 1300027482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very fruitful a conversation < 1300027491 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is that sarcastic? < 1300027498 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taking time to load for me < 1300027499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh most definitely < 1300027551 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, not loading at all. oh well. i know the usual "hi i'm an internet kook, here's why cantor was wrong" pattern < 1300027608 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one rather spectacular display i saw, some usenet group, on google groups -- i'm sure it wasn't the only one < 1300027615 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude was apparently famous < 1300027619 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on usenet) < 1300027694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's him prolly < 1300027707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's famous for being an incredibly retard < 1300027710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*incredible < 1300027733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300027734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knol < 1300027736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have just said < 1300027743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've probably even read it before < 1300027748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but knol is basically crackpot heaven < 1300027752 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't remeber, obviously < 1300027761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write anything you want, it looks like an encyclopedia, and nobody can edit it!!!!!!! < 1300027769 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds familiar < 1300027775 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :australian? < 1300027779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Google's shitty shitsite < 1300027780 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or new zealander? < 1300027781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: err, the person? < 1300027786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1300027786 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, vague memories < 1300027788 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300027849 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as he gets in long arguments about why cantor and/or godel were wrong because you can prove them wrong by programming in lambda calculus and also peano=penis... it doesn't really matter how many of him there are < 1300027885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peano=penis? has anyone called him Penis please say yes < 1300027886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :penis arithmetic < 1300027928 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another vague memory that the peano numbers are due to peano having a name that is really "penis" in disguise < 1300027952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find this "knol" fellow; google insists that "knol" is a unit of knowledge < 1300027958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god. now i want a radical feminist argument that the reals are countable < 1300027965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on mathematics being a patriarchy < 1300027970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : trying to find this "knol" fellow; google insists that "knol" is a unit of knowledge < 1300027973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _is_ what it is < 1300027976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's google's site < 1300027977 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : he's famous for being an incredibly retard ← the Good Math guy? < 1300027980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope of crackpots < 1300027989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *MarkCC, and he's awesome < 1300028007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, the guy he talks to behind that link < 1300028009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was thinking that he didn't seem to be a retard from what I'd read. < 1300028011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good math guy is okay < 1300028028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, bloody page won't load. < 1300028042 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scienceblogs seems to be completely down for me < 1300028042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, weird < 1300028043 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1300028067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, Google have a cache. < 1300028117 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. googling for (peano penis lambda calculus) gets you #esoteric channel logs on the first page. :) < 1300028227 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting closer -- found an eric naggum thread on comp.lang.lisp -- still not nuts enough, though < 1300028258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. I do not think all the real numbers can be represented in any radix system. < 1300028258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. I think the reason that Cantor was unable to < 1300028258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show the real numbers are countable is due to the fact that real numbers are not well-defined. < 1300028258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, every rational number can be logically defined in terms of pairs of natural numbers (natural numbers are themselves special ratios that were derived from the concept of ratio, but this is another story). One can't do this with real numbers unless one assumes the same can be represented using radix systems. < 1300028258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. I DO NOT believe the real numbers are *countable* - surprised? Why? Because these are not *well-defined*. However, if one uses Cantor's reasoning (which is completely beserk), one can show logically as I have, that the real numbers are indeed countable. < 1300028258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just see you trying to swallow this one with your limited intellectual faculties. < 1300028337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly he's just being silly, but you shouldn't joke about math :\ < 1300028353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is where no one has to disagree and everyone happy < 1300028353 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not without a *really* colourful wig on < 1300028358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math <3 < 1300028536 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/mochimedia/5318304839/ aaaand that pretty much sums up my disgust. < 1300028793 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300028811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300028903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wn.com/Befunge < 1300028904 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1300028913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, why video? < 1300028925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are sitll talking < 1300028928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello!!!!!!!!!! < 1300028938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. < 1300028943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge for garrysmod video what why < 1300028944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why even exist < 1300028948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : getting closer -- found an eric naggum thread on comp.lang.lisp -- still not nuts enough, though < 1300028950 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why nixie tubes??? < 1300028953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erik, you damned merican >:D < 1300028954 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, on that page? < 1300028980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300028988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that video though at least shows what a befunge ide _should_ look like :) < 1300029027 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to find an implementation in java < 1300029093 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant's page doesn't list any < 1300029110 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google gives me lots of spam results "download free Befunge98 java" < 1300029147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's YaBI93, but that's 93 < 1300029150 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300029312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus, this John Gabriel guy really is an idiot. < 1300029338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he even makes elliott look smart < 1300029352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1300029572 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Gabriels go, I prefer Peter < 1300029661 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw this ima gonna build the ultimate save the world open source python package and upload it to pypi and everyone will send me patches and love and they'll offer me a job at google with guido and it will be the best ever package for totally doing that yeahh < 1300029662 0 :fungot!~fungot@83.150.124.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300029706 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll use rabbitmq somehow < 1300029709 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeahhhhh < 1300029727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i < 1300029760 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i approve. that is the only appropriate response. < 1300029799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, "i'm sorry. i'm so sorry." was in fact what he was going to say. < 1300029806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300029808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say "i" < 1300029825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be pronounced as "I—" < 1300029950 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i have reconsidered. i will also consider that response to be appropriate < 1300029972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, in that vein, < 1300029980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION powers up the Device.
< 1300029987 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god no < 1300029996 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300029998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What about "*tears well up* ... *silence* I'll tell the Internet." < 1300029998 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks and covers
< 1300030113 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.focus.com/briefs/software-development/12-coding-languages/ < 1300030123 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so. < 1300030135 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much as i don't like this crowd, at least they're not THAT. < 1300030198 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude does not seem to understand something fundamental about why half the languages on that list were created < 1300030289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPRESSEY MUST NOT BE REMEMBERED AS A PYTHONISTA < 1300030297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points the Device at PyCon.
< 1300030368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait, where is PyCon. < 1300030375 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atlantis < 1300030381 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1300030386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Georgia‽ < 1300030393 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns the power to full.
< 1300030616 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300030653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you'll probably want to stock up on stuff. Quickly. < 1300030720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads that article cpressey linked.
< 1300030802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god. < 1300030811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION re-aims the Device.
< 1300030858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just aim the Device at everything. < 1300030861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more efficient. < 1300030880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who, for programmers, sure knew how to throw around the personal attacks and backbiting" < 1300030884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers aren't known to be dicks? < 1300030889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this alternate universe I'm living in < 1300030905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, is this how new professions are formed? WHY IS OUR ENTIRE FIELD FILLED WITH CHILDREN < 1300030914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from the good children, you know) < 1300030924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like me) < 1300030924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not like ph) < 1300030944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAAHAHA I love how the befunge example loses all its spacing < 1300030954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Befunge remained virtually impossible to compile until very recently" < 1300030963 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think you understand how the re-stabilised abelianiser works on the zygomorphic manifold. < 1300030986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aiming the Device works the other way around to everything else. < 1300030987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :õ_O < 1300030992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they know of jitfunge? :p < 1300031060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike some of the other languages on our list, VMRL had some wide audience appeal and the potential for a lot more. At its height in 1997, VMRL was occasionally used in personal home pages and on some 3D chat sites such as "CyberTown." < 1300031067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aoijsvkdnlghrtw-m049geisfdjiovxjknm please let sgeo not see this < 1300031074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, I know that Haskell is a relatively popular language compared to the other flops on this list. That said, Haskell has always had the feel of an also-ran language, despite its small but strong (and vocal) fans." < 1300031076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1300031076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to be painful < 1300031095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASEK < 1300031099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASKELL IS NOT DEAD YOU MORON < 1300031101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gbnjHG|F';louri5ye4oaw0da] < 1300031105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'f,gmhjkfwodlpax,jcrdepkjhfgjdxlzkjdfhgcszl,mskjhr4nemdcfyk,iol.,y < 1300031111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300031114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it calls delphi dead < 1300031122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently vb6 killed it < 1300031122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1300031127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that. < 1300031148 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@63.133.138.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300031151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cpressey < 1300031152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed < 1300031152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all < 1300031153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun < 1300031153 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blub blub < 1300031156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the atricle < 1300031166 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, good news, you're not going to get Deviced today. < 1300031167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved my hands wildly around my keyboard in lieu of replying MULTIPLE TIMES < 1300031168 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which article < 1300031174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the one you linked to < 1300031175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1300031176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"list" < 1300031180 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discharged it on the peoplw who wrote that list. < 1300031180 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1300031182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*people < 1300031185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1300031187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i said < 1300031201 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perspective, it's all about keeping it in perspective < 1300031211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: READ THE LOGS lest i have to repeat all my hilarious comments. ok they're not hilarious < 1300031213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1300031216 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300031217 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will < 1300031218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just say things anyway < 1300031218 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1300031222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but < 1300031228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i like how the befunge example lost all spacing < 1300031236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to live in a world where befunge programs are shared via html renderings < 1300031243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and piecing together the control flow is the receiver's problem < 1300031260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how do you know about the Device's projective calibration of tensor rings? < 1300031265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KNOW TOO MUCH < 1300031356 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, that logread was quite enjoyable < 1300031430 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit i meant to type "atricle" < 1300031443 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously typo'd an intentional re-typo < 1300031451 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingers, bloody fingers < 1300031470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1300031473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atricle atricle atricle < 1300031489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *fnigers < 1300031832 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only PyFunge were implemented in ruby or something < 1300031862 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if only there was a RubyFunge and it was implemented in ... uh.... < 1300031865 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say Clean < 1300031887 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, as it stands, this is way too predictable < 1300031963 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I have to figure out a way to pack up all my shit^H^H^Hwag < 1300031976 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MongoDB mug. bitchen < 1300031981 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll treasure this < 1300031990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a roomerang < 1300032003 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how whimsical < 1300032028 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... something you punch out and clip together, from Disney. < 1300032048 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bunch of junk mail, basically < 1300032067 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... laptop < 1300032069 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, um < 1300032072 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later :) < 1300032077 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300032420 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, DMM explained the Banach-Tarski paradox? < 1300032594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c++:36:5: error: inconsistent deduction for ‘auto’: ‘std::vector >’ and then ‘__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator*, std::vector > >’ < 1300032594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c++:36:5: error: inconsistent deduction for ‘auto’: ‘std::vector >’ and then ‘__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator*, std::vector > >’ < 1300032595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fun < 1300032613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is hello.c++ hello world? < 1300032625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ostensibly. it's grown to calculating factorials. this is to iterate through a list. < 1300032651 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1300032658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAITWAITWAIT I think I can use statement expressions < 1300032668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because all good hello world programs should calculate factorials! < 1300032684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1300032718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define each(elem, container) each_(elem, container, __COUNTER__) < 1300032720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define each_(elem, container, i_) each__(elem, container, i_) < 1300032720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define each__(elem, container, i) \ < 1300032720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (auto each__container__ ## i = (container), \ < 1300032720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : each__iter__ ## i = (each__container__ ## i).begin(), \ < 1300032720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : each__end__ ## i = (each__container__ ## i).end(); \ < 1300032721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (each__iter__ ## i) != (each__end__## i); \ < 1300032722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ++(each__iter__ ## i)) \ < 1300032724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (auto each__fake__ ## i = true, & elem = *(each__iter__ ## i); \ < 1300032728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (each__fake__ ## i); \ < 1300032735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (each__fake__ ## i) = false) < 1300032735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my current code < 1300032735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But C++0x doesn't like you using "auto" to declare two things of a different type, as it turns out < 1300032736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god you've been allowed near CPP again. < 1300032747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cpp < 1300032749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C++! < 1300032757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commonly called cpp in restricted areas such as file extensions and domain names! < 1300032759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp abuse in cpp! < 1300032815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet boost has something like this < 1300032857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love how i can't load the full log for today due to slow internet on my logbot < 1300032874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet coppro knows how to do this :P < 1300033055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reeads the last xkcdexplained post.
< 1300033056 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1300033302 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wanted to hide something from me < 1300033310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1300033373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, WHAT KIND OF THING < 1300033398 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either something I already know about VRML, or some claim that Haskell is dead < 1300033456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DID HE PLAN TO HIDE THIS < 1300033528 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300033569 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300033724 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By saying "please let sgeo not see this" < 1300033808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably because it mentioned one of your obsessions. < 1300033824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN OTHER NEWS, j_random_idiot has spoken again. < 1300033877 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300034012 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300034072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1300034076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (declare_variable declare__variable__1(args); declare__variable__1.fake;) for (auto each__container__0 = declare__variable__1.value; declare__variable__1.fake; declare__variable__1.fake = false) for (declare_variable declare__variable__2(each__container__0.begin()); declare__variable__2.fake;) for (auto each__iter__0 = declare__variable__2.value; declare__variable__2.fake; declare__variable__2.fake = false) for (declare_variab < 1300034076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :le declare__variable__3(each__container__0.end()); declare__variable__3.fake;) for (auto each__end__0 = declare__variable__3.value; declare__variable__3.fake; declare__variable__3.fake = false) for (; each__iter__0 != each__end__0; ++each__iter__i) for (declare_variable declare__variable__4(*each__iter__i); declare__variable__4.fake;) for (auto& arg = declare__variable__4.value; declare__variable__4.fake; declare__variable__4.fake = < 1300034078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false) < 1300034080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ais523 < 1300034115 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1300034125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: HI THERE < 1300034126 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the crap < 1300034142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: This will totally make more sense when it works, trust me :P < 1300034162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declare_variable looks worryingly C++ish, to me < 1300034165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, < 1300034167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define DECLARE__(type_, name_, value_, i_) \ < 1300034167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (declare_variable declare__variable__##i_(value_); \ < 1300034168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : declare__variable__##i_.fake;) \ < 1300034170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the whole thing there looks like C++ < 1300034170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (type_ name_ = declare__variable__##i_.value; \ < 1300034172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : declare__variable__##i_.fake; \ < 1300034174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : declare__variable__##i_.fake = false) < 1300034176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may help elaborate on what 90% of that is doing < 1300034178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is! < 1300034180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing the Best C++ Program Ever. < 1300034181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, I will refrain from trying to understand it for the sake of the rest of my sanity < 1300034194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is me implementing a C++0x feature that GCC doesn't have right now :P < 1300034196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason there isn't an IOC++CC is that it'd be too easy < 1300034199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, almost-implementing it) < 1300034213 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're not implementing it :P < 1300034219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough < 1300034222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Basically DECLARE() lets you do a let block :P < 1300034232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a for loop that only runs for one iteration. < 1300034234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, two. But. < 1300034265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c++:50:5: error: invalid use of ‘auto’ < 1300034274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the 23498723489234 errors are from that same line and column :P < 1300034296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c++:50:5: error: request for member ‘fake’ in ‘declare__variable__4’, which is of non-class type ‘int’ < 1300034297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um ... < 1300034303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (declare_variable declare__variable__##i_(value_); \ < 1300034306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like it from here, bro. < 1300034322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm using templates wrong :P < 1300034340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: C++ is my favourite esolang < 1300034350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300034385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, last Thursday I actually saw Valgrind tell off one of my students (it was running on a CUDA program, which is basically C with some extra constructs) < 1300034406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More than 10000000 errors detected. Future errors will not be reported. Go fix your program!" or something like that < 1300034485 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300034510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, it didn't try to print all of the ten million previous errors < 1300034513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we'd have been there for ages < 1300034524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how... < 1300034535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300034550 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, how did they keep it running while producing all these errors < 1300034583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300034583 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleverly mismanaging memory not to crash? < 1300034590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :structs can be templated right? :) < 1300034591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a bit of context, as far as I can tell the program was an attempt to write a complicated program in one go without even intermediate compiles < 1300034595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by fixing all the compile errors < 1300034603 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, structs are classes that default to public < 1300034606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300034608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking < 1300034632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and getting really basic things wrong, like mixing up pointers to CPU and GPU memory (which point into entirely different memory spaces) < 1300034709 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000000 is easy to get in a big program < 1300034729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a big, really broken < 1300034730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have a bunch of loops with off-by-one accesses < 1300034734 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of a story from uni, they had an intern there to write a new system for doing computer exams (get assignment from server, submit solutions, get graded, kind of thing) < 1300034747 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even manifest as broken, necessarily < 1300034756 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he coded for half a year or something, in Ada (because that's what he knew) never compiled anything once < 1300034769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ehh... maybe if you had one really long loop :P < 1300034777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and it worked the first time? < 1300034777 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then sent it to his supervisor and said "here you go, it's done now" < 1300034780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Ada, after all! < 1300034792 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no single part of it worked, obviously < 1300034801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1300034806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not what the Ada people told me! < 1300034814 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but the overall edifice? < 1300034820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Five reads and five writes a million times isn't "really long" :-P < 1300034820 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Ada works if you get it to compile < 1300034832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORROMEAN PROGRAM < 1300034846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yeah right. < 1300034857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the class ofbugs Ada tackles to be shallow and solved at the wrong level. < 1300034874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution to mixing up loop indices is to make them unnecessary in 99% of cases (by adding foreach), not by giving them types :P < 1300034892 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people use to say the same things about Ada and Haskell, "hard as hell to make anything compile but when it does it works" < 1300034925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell does a better job of it than Agda IMO :P < 1300034927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300034928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Than Ada. < 1300034932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not perfect. < 1300034942 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, haskell does it way better < 1300034969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If GHC turned its warnings about incomplete pattern matches into errors, it'd do a much better job. < 1300034975 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait; the compiler doesn't separately type CPU and GPU memory? < 1300034976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it stands, it does a better job if you use -Wall and religiously fix those mistakes. < 1300034979 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are phantom types regularly used? < 1300034983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-Werror might be a bit much, GHC likes to warn a lot in my experience.) < 1300034991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ha ha ha < 1300034996 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ada is roughly equivalent to C++ in type safety, but Ada makes the unsafe stuff look worse by making it slightly more explicit and giving it scarier names < 1300035038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has unsafe stuff too... < 1300035040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how good a job does Agda do :P < 1300035058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I cannot possibly answer ;P < 1300035059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1300035132 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so? pretty much everything has unsafe stuff... < 1300035135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct declare_variable { < 1300035135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A value; < 1300035135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bool fake; < 1300035135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : declare_variable(A value) < 1300035135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : value(value), fake(true) < 1300035136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {} < 1300035138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}; < 1300035140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1300035145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that constructor might be wrong :P < 1300035171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, and if Haskell removed error and undefined. < 1300035180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using exceptions everywhere instead -- ugly, but.) < 1300035198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, you still have halting for _|_, but that's a lesser problem than e.g. each div requiring an if :P) < 1300035215 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, aren't error and undefined already exceptions? < 1300035227 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iirc you can only catch exceptions in IO < 1300035260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Does bsnes no longer support .sfc or something? X_X < 1300035266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It refuses to show them in this directory list. < 1300035273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, yeah... < 1300035279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But they're not USEFUL exceptions :P < 1300035286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. ones you can catch individually < 1300035302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, and as hateful as it would be, something like Java's throws declarations in the type. < 1300035336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With those three changes (force all pattern-matching to be complete, remove error and undefined, add "throws" declarations to function types) Haskell would do a way, way better job than Ada. < 1300035400 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that supposed to be Ada or Agda? :P < 1300035406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada :P < 1300035500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: wait; the compiler doesn't separately type CPU and GPU memory? <--- it's designed to be similar to C, you'd expect it to? < 1300035510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just C with a few extra keywords and templates < 1300035544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :templates? < 1300035553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, C++-style < 1300035558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not C :) < 1300035569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't steal most other C++ features < 1300035571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that one < 1300035584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you use a c++ compiler with all the non-template stuff taken out? < 1300035586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awkward :-P < 1300035589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it uses "nvcc" < 1300035599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think expands to "NVidia C Compiler" < 1300035607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not entirely sure what, if anything, it's based on < 1300035619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it actually has C++ templates? < 1300035649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's all the same features, because C++ is insane < 1300035663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does the basic stuff, with the same syntax as C++ < 1300035663 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it has templates in particular, I'd expect it to type them differently, yes < 1300035683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers aren't templates < 1300035686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the templates might only take things like integers as parameters, not class names, due to not having classes and structs not really being the same < 1300035696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300035700 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-145.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300035738 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but you could use templates to overload on GPU/CPU pointers < 1300035738 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300035764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, but (1) that sounds gross and (2) those wouldn't look like normal pointers < 1300035766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu pointer: int *foo; < 1300035771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpu pointer: oh_god_the_pain foo; < 1300035785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you wouldn't be able to index one of them < 1300035792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to C not having operator overloading < 1300035798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"int gpu *" would make sense, or "gpu int *" < 1300035803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which would be appropriate < 1300035817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would make proper sense is using a language with real types and so avoiding C backwards compat entirely :) < 1300035875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, all this is far too high a level, they should be using Checkout < 1300035883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except there aren't any impls of it yet < 1300035914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/863/ ;; this is actually a good comic < 1300035930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no punchline, but amusing and pretty well-paced < 1300035934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: clearly < 1300035945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course functional languages are uniquely suited to GPUs >:) < 1300035952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (functional languages that compile to Checkout, of course) < 1300035975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I use phantom types occasionally < 1300035989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Haskell parallelizes better than, say, Python < 1300035993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're not really strictly phantom types < 1300035996 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, I would hope that gpu pointers would just be a keyword < 1300036009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the point is that GPUs are essentially 349857349857394579834579835789347598347598347598347598347593475934857349573985-threaded CPUs :) < 1300036020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with CPUs, automatic parallelisation is infeasible < 1300036024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's too few threads to prioritise well < 1300036037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they typically only actually run 256 threads at a time < 1300036042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's still a ton < 1300036044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the interesting work is in switching between them quickly < 1300036061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. each thread has its own set of registers, to avoid having to save them anywhere when context switching < 1300036067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a context switch can be done in a single clock cycle < 1300036090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is insane < 1300036108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how fast is spawning a thread on a GPU, incidentally? < 1300036136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're spawned statically, you need to work out how many you want in advance then they all spawn at once < 1300036141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see parloop/4 < 1300036168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have no threads, creating up to around a million threads can be done in a few microseconds < 1300036182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300036184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ofc that number can't run simultaneously, and will be somewhat sequentialised < 1300036206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are GPUs good at anything OTHER than embarrassingly parallel problems? :) < 1300036210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300036216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300036217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't have to be embarassingly parallel < 1300036224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being moderately parallel is enough to have gains < 1300036234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can you even DO shared memory on a gpu? < 1300036234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still needs to parallelize somewhat < 1300036244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but it's slow and messy < 1300036254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what checkout/2 between 3 and 5 does < 1300036254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : being moderately parallel is enough to have gains < 1300036273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um I just mean embarrassingly as in what was i going to say ... < 1300036283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in no communication between tasks < 1300036295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "embarassingly parallel" is a technical term, as in doubling every element in an array < 1300036298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. each thread completely independent of the others < 1300036299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1300036310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasks like adding every element in an array together aren't embarassingly parallel, yet GPUs are still quite good at them < 1300036320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300036328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(divide the array into N segments, sum sequentially, sum the results?) < 1300036331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum sequentially as in < 1300036333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum each segment in a thread < 1300036337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the thread does it sequentially < 1300036340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's much more complex than that < 1300036347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1300036357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you take thread blocks into account < 1300036369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are groups of threads that are capable of cooperating closely, and have fast shared memory between them < 1300036374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those are the /3s of Checkout) < 1300036375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I think every embarrassingly parallel problem takes the form of a pmap < 1300036385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. map that does every application in a thread < 1300036406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, those sort of problems actually miss much of the point of GPUs < 1300036410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because block memory is so massively important < 1300036417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : which are groups of threads that are capable of cooperating closely, and have fast shared memory between them < 1300036419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess < 1300036426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPUs are bad at subtracting an entire array? < 1300036430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. this relies on commutativity :) < 1300036442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does subtracting an entire array even mean? < 1300036450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, what does adding an entire array mean? < 1300036451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summing it < 1300036458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtracting an entire array = fold (-) something array < 1300036470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or negating every element than summing < 1300036478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that just negates the zero) < 1300036484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that that is pretty much a commutative operation < 1300036490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well, depends on your fold I guess < 1300036494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really < 1300036499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result on [a,b,c,d] != the result on [a,c,b,d] < 1300036515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you couldn't do even a small chunk in parallel using fast shared memory < 1300036515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a-b-c-d = a-c-b-d < 1300036519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'd have to synchronise them < 1300036528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, a-(b-(c-d)) < 1300036534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!= (a-(c-(b-d))) < 1300036545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's a + -b + c + -d + e + -f + g + -h, etc < 1300036550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1300036561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which still commutes pretty nicely, as you have information about which index into the original array an element is < 1300036588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES but I mean if you took the summing algorithm < 1300036592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replaced the + sign with a - < 1300036594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it'd break < 1300036609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I bet it depends on all threads in a thread group being able to add to the shared counter without worrying about synchronisation < 1300036621 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's obvious that the votes for Reddit comments would decrease the further down the tree you went, but it interests me for some reason. < 1300036624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually works in pairs < 1300036638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you do ((a+b) + (c+d)) + ((e+f) + (g+h)), etc < 1300036652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that within a block by first using all threads, then half the threads, then a quarter of the threads, etc. < 1300036672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300036675 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know when something is commutative though? < 1300036679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and down to the warp level (that's a /2), you can do conditionals on threads and actually save time < 1300036688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ais523 is describing a sum algorithm, not a general fold < 1300036695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing all that with ((a-b) + (c-d)) + ((e-f) + (g-h)) is obviously trivial < 1300036704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, general folds don't parallelize < 1300036713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously a Ridiculously High Level GPU Language would have a fold that's parameterised on the function type < 1300036728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., if you want to fold \a.\b.(md5sum(a) + md5sum(b)) < 1300036730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a rule that for every function you've proved/assumed (as axiom) commutative < 1300036732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the fancy sum algo < 1300036732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300036777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algo's much fancier than that, though, to use memory properly < 1300036781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so did Erlang inspire Checkout? :-P < 1300036784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300036790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but the /N after a function name! < 1300036796 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is checkout? < 1300036801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was inspired pretty much entirely by a) CUDA, b) actual GPU architecture < 1300036808 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Checkout < 1300036811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I noticed that was the same syntax as Prolog, but it's a different meaning < 1300036815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just liked the way it looked < 1300036824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Erlang stole the syntax from Prolog < 1300036830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it stole most of its syntax from Prolog < 1300036842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no obvious reason, given that the two languages are quite different in most other respects < 1300036844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1300036846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang stole it from prolog < 1300036850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang's relationship to prolog is so weir < 1300036851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1300036852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weird < 1300036854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300036856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Erlang stole the syntax from Prolog < 1300036857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : because it stole most of its syntax from Prolog < 1300036857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for no obvious reason, given that the two languages are quite different in most other respects < 1300036858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not read these lines < 1300036861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my lines before reading them < 1300036865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300036879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping up this elliott alter ego is more trouble than it's worth for me, ais523 < 1300036880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300036889 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300036891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clarify < 1300036893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am ais523's alter ego < 1300036894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300036898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he isn't < 1300036914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can say CUDA C has templates; I mean, it has that <<>> notation to do the threads, but it's really quite far from templates. (At least as far as the C-like CUDA 1.x is concerned; I don't really know much about the 2.x "pretty much runs C++ on the GPU" CUDA.) < 1300036953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, it has the template<> notation as well < 1300036955 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300036961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is separate from the <<<>>> notation for running things on a GPU < 1300036974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in 1.2, IIRC < 1300037014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it still has the > > vs. >> parsing nonsense < 1300037101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's in Appendix D, "C++ language constructs for device code". Well-hidden. But according to this it does operator overloading too. < 1300037104 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300037114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has nobody got the memo to stop using <> for parens in C? < 1300037154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1300037159 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300037165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least <<< >>> is distinctive and obviously different from a regular function call < 1300037167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c++:50:5: error: invalid use of ‘auto’ < 1300037168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy < 1300037177 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god songs of praise is on < 1300037179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa < 1300037185 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain.... melting.... < 1300037205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flashbacks... overwhelming.... < 1300037206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :litb geordi: { auto(69); } < 1300037206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geordi error: invalid use of 'auto' < 1300037207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks google < 1300037224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: plz stop talking so much in #c++-f so i can grep things more easily in logs found by google < 1300037224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only templates it does is function templates, though, so you couldn't do a template-driven fake-pointer. < 1300037230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use an O(n) grep. Totally.) < 1300037239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must... remote... < 1300037240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1300037251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct coppro { void *ptr; } < 1300037254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1300037256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't even be < 1300037256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300037257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore me < 1300037271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coppro is my new metasyntactic variable when talking about anything vaguely related to C++) < 1300037302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could define new operators for a struct coppro, though, so maybe with the preprocessor you could manually construct fake-pointers like that. < 1300037314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To point at different data types, I mean.) < 1300037335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300037338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_nesting_ DECLARE doesn't work < 1300037354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no < 1300037355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1300037364 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : win 8 < 1300037372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's using auto that doesn't work < 1300037373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: lose 8 < 1300037381 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1300037453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not wrong < 1300037487 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY TUBES ARE CLOGGED < 1300037491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300037500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: is "auto" not a valid template argument, O C++0x Oracle? < 1300037503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. foo < 1300037516 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are correct < 1300037535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame < 1300037559 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell would that even work < 1300037567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it'd infer the right argument!! < 1300037569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using magic < 1300037570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh LOL < 1300037576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"auto declare__variable__0(4)" < 1300037579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not going to work :) < 1300037582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to explicitly construct... < 1300037625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wtf < 1300037632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you can't even say "foo(X)" :( < 1300037656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll use __typeof__. < 1300037772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah well, I bet coppro couldn't write this macro himself anyway. HMPH < 1300037830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it works with __typeof__. < 1300037863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, almost." < 1300037950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c++:51:22: error: expected primary-expression before ‘<<’ token < 1300037950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o_O < 1300037952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*o_O < 1300037972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess __typeof__ is resulting in something starting with a <> somehow < 1300038068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH no that's from the loop body. < 1300038138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKS < 1300038175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: olsner: anyone who has ever coded C++ ever: ais523: http://sprunge.us/fhXB < 1300038180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR LANGUAGE IS AT MY KNEES < 1300038206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably make a WITH_COUNTER :P < 1300038376 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300038623 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300038639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know if there is any way to get cpp to omit the contents of included files in its output? < 1300038643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1300038648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE ALSO < 1300038648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gpl(7), gfdl(7), fsf-funding(7), gcc(1), as(1), ld(1), and the Info entries for cpp, gcc, and binutils. < 1300038648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--man cpp(1) < 1300038656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom of gcc(1), too :P < 1300038754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean, just expanding macros and ignoring the declarations < 1300038765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try using -imacros on the command line rather than #include in the file itself < 1300038769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, just whenever it sees #include, < 1300038776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the included files? < 1300038777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it loads all the macro definitions from the file < 1300038780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does not spit it out in the output < 1300038790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can do "cpp foo.c" without everything in my scrollback being eaten < 1300038795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of 345893475349873897593759834597349834573497535 lines of system headers < 1300038839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: imacros is perfect < 1300038843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd prefer it apply to all includes < 1300038846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to have to write them all out < 1300038858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, there doesn't seem to be an option to do it automatically, unfortunately < 1300038899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using -P too would help reduce the length, it omits the generated #line directives < 1300038919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, apparently modifying specs files makes gcc developers refuse to provide support < 1300038924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably even if you just add -static... < 1300038940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because the way gcc uses them is insane < 1300038963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because they're not a "public interface", apparently < 1300038969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes them... fairly pointless < 1300039096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, I've actually run into the "NO RECURSION" cpp thing while legitimately trying to tidy up my code < 1300039101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define WITH_COUNTER(f_, ...) WITH_COUNTER_(f_, __COUNTER__, ## __VA_ARGS__) < 1300039101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define WITH_COUNTER_(f_, counter_, ...) WITH_COUNTER__(f_, counter_, ## __VA_ARGS__) < 1300039101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define WITH_COUNTER__(f_, counter_, ...) f_(counter_, ## __VA_ARGS__) < 1300039102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used like < 1300039106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define DECLARE(...) WITH_COUNTER(DECLARE_, ## __VA_ARGS__) < 1300039106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define DECLARE_(i_, name_, value_) ... < 1300039111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any WITH_COUNTER'd function < 1300039116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't call any other function that uses WITH_COUNTER < 1300039121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's using WITH_COUNTER more than once < 1300039123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1300039315 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-92.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300039320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300039638 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an easy way to get ANSI.SYS to start working in Windows? I need dem escape codes. < 1300039660 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This probably isn't the best place to ask this... < 1300039671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the best advice I can give if you need the full range is "use DOSBox" < 1300039679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Windows terminal does do some of them, though, like color < 1300039732 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, color _might_ be good enough if I just clear the screen instead of repositionnig the cursor... < 1300039742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1300039749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a vt100 emulator :P < 1300039769 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm making console Lua programs. < 1300039781 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing ALAGUF < 1300039829 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300039878 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted where the IP was to be color-inverted; also displaying ALAGUF output is *a lot* easier with curos repositioning < 1300039886 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can do without < 1300039948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a thing to putty to use it as a terminal for cygwin; but, well, cygwin... < 1300040095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And of course if you bother with cygwin you could just use its xterm.) < 1300040162 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make it system-independant, but Windows is dumb in not supporting ANSI. < 1300040172 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get a new OS. < 1300040242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: vt100s are just ANSI emulators for the most part... < 1300040258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vt100 terminal emulators, that is. < 1300040341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uses the Windows terminal for anything, pretty much < 1300040348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including Windows programmers < 1300040358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who either use a GUI, or a better terminal emulator < 1300040444 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | actually saunalahti means a lahti containing a sauna < 1300040445 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Re your earlier thing, you can do something like this to get whatever's in test.c, preprocessed, after the last #include in it: gcc -E test.c | grep -A 10000 '# '`gcc -E test.c | grep -E '# [0-9]+ "test.c"' | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | tail -n 1`' "test.c"' < 1300040463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh, nice. < 1300040472 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder: Does PowerShell terminal support ANSI? I have that installed... < 1300040476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Doesn't work if you use -P, but you can process those afterwords, I suppose. < 1300040477 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leme check < 1300040479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: It just uses cmd.exe... < 1300040486 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... < 1300040496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd.exe is the emulator, COMMAND.COM the command interpreter (though I think the latter has a different name nowadays) < 1300040510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hesitate to call cmd.exe a terminal and draw the line at calling COMMAND.COM a shell < 1300040600 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Powershell dosn't have ANSI, that how does *it* use colors in its error messages? Direct BIOS calls, most like. < 1300040632 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300040643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Uh, Windows' terminal does colours. < 1300040650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the BIOS can't do anything to cmd.exe. < 1300040667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do anything in a console window using the console API; that's what you're "supposed" to use in a console app. < 1300040669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bug is in your code, I suspect. < 1300040673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm. < 1300040677 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... < 1300040680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure colours don't work by default? < 1300040683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for some values of "supposed". < 1300040685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, can't be. Cygwin's bash.exe works. < 1300040690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, for added confusion, cmd.exe is also a shell that's different from command.com < 1300040691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In both a vt100 and the Windows terminal. < 1300040699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, similar but different syntax < 1300040700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I very much doubt that it has Windows code to do that :) < 1300040703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: joy < 1300040706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colors might work, I don't know about that. It was more of a general comment, if you need complicated things. < 1300040838 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300040850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack works in the Windows terminal < 1300040859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result of a crazy amount of specialcasing, IIRC < 1300040864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can restrict itself to just the subset that works < 1300040868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly anything else does, though < 1300040881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you directly WriteConsole in a console window, it doesn't support any escape codes at all, but I guess there might well be something somewhere in-between so that "regular" console output can use some control codes. < 1300040932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bsnes hates me. < 1300041007 0 :Behold!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1300041012 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300041012 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300041032 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300041040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it might actually be a bug in bsnes < 1300041138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I believe so < 1300041152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file browser window is being created with no title, and thus the filter isn't working < 1300041182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, the win/tty/wintty.c defined(WIN32CON) snippets seem very nice. There's one in tty_askname() that does backsp(); (void) putchar(' '); backsp(); after receiving a \b or \177 with the comment "\b is visible on NT". < 1300041196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how that makes no sense at all. < 1300041215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In any case it seems to use the proper Win32 console API with the functions from sys/winnt/nttty.c. < 1300041228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To move the cursor and such.) < 1300041237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, it works even over telnet < 1300041239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can't use the API < 1300041243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what really impresses me < 1300041396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The Windows "telnet" console app parses ANSI. It even does four different terminal types (vt100, vt52, ansi, vtnt). < 1300041410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I didn't know that < 1300041418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, vt52? < 1300041425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1300041614 0 :FlyingTortilla!~chatzilla@host86-135-139-86.range86-135.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300041661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all those people who have to telnet to pre-1978 systems that don't know about this newfangled VT100 family. < 1300041673 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: installing a z80 emulator.... My FAV ML! < 1300041811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, my compile of bsnes is either ridiculously buggy, or v076 is < 1300041824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, iconmaster has to quit to do things with his computer. clearly. < 1300041839 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300041887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly yet another offshoot of ML. < 1300041903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Z80 is a dialect of ML. < 1300041904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ML and z80 machine language are both pretty clean languages < 1300041922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the dialect of ML used by the Venezuelan Air Force. < 1300042013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, bsnes doesn't even load a word at a time from memory. < 1300042022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It literally reads words byte-by-byte. < 1300042028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably because you can override individual bytes of RAM, < 1300042030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*RAM. < 1300042036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a coprocessor) < 1300042039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess?) < 1300042056 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the VTNT terminal doesn't use escape codes either: instead, all output is sent wrappend inside VTNT_CHAR_INFO structures, that specifies stuff like the coordinates of a rectangle where the output goes; and followed by an array of 32-bit VTNT_SINGLE_CHAR values that have a 16-bit character code and 16 bits of attributes. < 1300042063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone really uses that thing anywhere. < 1300042065 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300042089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and are they just fwrite()ten versions of internal Windows structures? < 1300042092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VTNT : VTNT - VT[5] community mailing list < 1300042093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 Oct 1999 ... A low-noise mailing list focusing on using the Video Toaster NT. < 1300042093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groups.yahoo.com/groups/VTNT/ - Cached < 1300042093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :► < 1300042093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VTNT Terminal < 1300042093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VTNT Terminal. VTNT terminal emulation is an extension to the Telnet Terminal Type Option standard (RFC 884), which is part of the Telnet protocol family of ... < 1300042096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms819760.aspx - Cached - Similar < 1300042098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly NetHack runs on a toaster. < 1300042100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Video Toaster, but a toaster. < 1300042118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "fwrite()ten" o_o < 1300042122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "low-noise" there actually mean "low-traffic"? < 1300042128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not obvious where to put the parens < 1300042135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fwritte()n"? < 1300042143 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't recognize them, but of course they might well be. They're not exactly the console API structures, I think. < 1300042143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fwrite()d < 1300042194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch, that's not how you take the past tense of "write" at all < 1300042209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's okay, because you're not taken the past tense of write. < 1300042212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're taking < 1300042216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're taking the past tense of fwrite(). < 1300042226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I call multiple computer mouses "mouses" when I remember to, too. < 1300042228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the same word. < 1300042311 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: .sfc is the only extension it does support. < 1300042319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yep. The code is buggy or my gcc is ludicrously buggy. < 1300042333 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fuck DST so much. < 1300042336 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "vtnt" terminfo entry in this here database, but it's just "ms-vt100-color|vtnt|windows 2000 ansi (sic)" and I don't think it does what telnet does in "vtnt" mode. < 1300042340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: The Load Cartridge window was created without a title. < 1300042347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: The function that adds the filename extension to the list, < 1300042350 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1300042352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also set the title of the (terrible, BTW) file chooser. < 1300042365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked what called that; it was another internal file-chooser function. < 1300042367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used a switch statement. < 1300042375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The case that added .sfc and set the title... < 1300042382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...was on the value it was called with directly in the menu code. < 1300042390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr: Evidently switch() compiles incorrectly. < 1300042416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Anyway, I then made it show every file just for testing; upon picking the ROM, bsnes emulated 41 FPS' worth of a black screen. < 1300042420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something Is Horribly Wrong. < 1300042436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I found a seeded version of that torrent, NO THANKS TO YOU. :p < 1300042479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Maybe I should use gcc 4.4 instead of 4.5, but I don't think 4.4 has dem lambadas. < 1300042611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, bsnes wants 4.5. < 1300042670 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly suspect you got an invalid ROM? < 1300042694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realise you aren't supposed to be discussing this on Freenode, right? < 1300042727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Who said it was a torrent of commercial games? < 1300042732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not said any such thing. < 1300042738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300042763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It was absolutely not the complete No-Info set circa 2010. < 1300042765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but non-commercial SNES games are nearly always distributed as a set of patches < 1300042777 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... No, just non-commercial mods. < 1300042791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It was by BitTorrent, so all the contents were verified. < 1300042793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people write non-commercial SNES games from scratch? < 1300042797 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300042798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Besides, like I said, the file chooser thing was fucked up. < 1300042803 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *many*, but yes. < 1300042804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the code was perfectly OK. < 1300042812 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more demos than anything else, TBH. < 1300042814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in conclusion, WTF GCC. < 1300042878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's Ubuntu's default gcc flags. < 1300042903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something -Bsymbolic-functions-related, perhaps. < 1300042926 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://byuusan.kuro-hitsuji.net.nyud.net/blargg_near_cd_quality2.7z Well, here's a simple audio demo you could try that I know for a fact works in BSNES. < 1300042936 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only BSNES and a real SNES. :) < 1300043007 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has lower sound quality on SNES9x, *is pain and agony* on ZSNES) < 1300043015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Do you have an .sfc file matching the pattern "C* T* (U*)" whose hash is de5822f4f2f7a55acb8926d4c0eaa63d5d989312? < 1300043058 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which hashing scheme? < 1300043067 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :md5? < 1300043067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Oh, sorry. SHA-1. < 1300043070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300043085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I drove ais away. :p < 1300043096 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes I do. < 1300043096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That .7z contains an smc, anyway, which I don't believe bsnes supports. < 1300043107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Then my gcc is definitely the issue. < 1300043113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gcc massively miscompiling is definitely esoteric. < 1300043122 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame Ubuntu. < 1300043140 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know *what* they did to be worthy of blame, but they're an easy target. < 1300043165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Weeeeeeeeeell. < 1300043168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.kubuntu.org/CompilerFlags < 1300043182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of -fstack-protector, -Wl,-z,relro or -Bsymbolic-functions break bsnes? :P < 1300043240 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I *do* know that bsnes relies on fucking with the stack. < 1300043252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Indeed; it uses -fomit-frame-pointer, which scares me. < 1300043279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, symbolic functions aren't even used I think. < 1300043284 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fomit-frame-pointer *only* screws up debugging on some architectures. < 1300043294 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is literally the only downside. < 1300043312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Then what's your better guess of why this is totally broken? < 1300043325 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. BSNES's simple multithreading library works by swapping the stack. < 1300043333 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm willing to bet that GCC is fucking with that. < 1300043350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Mm, but the Makefile specifically selects gcc-4.5 for Linux. < 1300043364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *suppose* a Debian or Ubuntu patch could break it, but... < 1300043368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Also, wait, what? < 1300043373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: This is a *UI* bug, for one! < 1300043374 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, one of -fstack-protector of -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 < 1300043377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before it even emulates ANYTHING! < 1300043380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fortify source is just about warnings. < 1300043381 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh. < 1300043398 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE adds runtime checks. < 1300043403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Like I said, somehow the filter isn't getting added despite the call being totally cromulent. < 1300043405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, indeed. < 1300043427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Observe: < 1300043444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void FileBrowser::fileOpen(FileBrowser::Mode requestedMode, function requestedCallback) { < 1300043444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1300043445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : switch(mode = requestedMode) { < 1300043445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case Mode::Cartridge: { < 1300043445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : setTitle("Load Cartridge"); < 1300043445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : filters.append(".sfc"); < 1300043446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : break; < 1300043448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1300043450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The call is: < 1300043463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : systemLoadCartridge.onTick = []() { < 1300043463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fileBrowser.fileOpen(FileBrowser::Mode::Cartridge, [](string filename) { < 1300043464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cartridge.loadNormal(filename); < 1300043464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : }); < 1300043466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : }; < 1300043468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet no title is being set, and no filter is being added. < 1300043491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of *exactly one* way this could possibly happen, and that doesn't explain the emulation not working. < 1300043502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one way is: < 1300043509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if(mode == requestedMode && folder == config.path.current) { < 1300043509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : setVisible(); < 1300043509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : contentsBox.setFocused(); < 1300043509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return; < 1300043509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1300043523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : enum class Mode : unsigned { Cartridge, Satellaview, SufamiTurbo, GameBoy, Filter, Shader } mode; < 1300043536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what... < 1300043550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byuu, you fucked up mode initialisation,. < 1300043551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1300043577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: tl;dr value initialises to 0, 0 is Cartridge. < 1300043583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It thinks it's already in Cartridge, fails to initialise. < 1300043593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't explain the emulation bug, but does make me think that byuu might fail at them programmings. < 1300043704 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300043839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This class is terrible, I blame byuu. < 1300043846 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300044013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I conclude that this compile is awesomely fucked. < 1300044390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Last day of optbot was 09.01.03. < 1300044391 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: from hehkua, which is glow i think < 1300044398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To answer your comparison to EgoBot: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? EgoBot was set up to make sure the topic mentioned that this was a channel on esoteric programming and that it had the logs, it was NOT set up to make the topic be random fucking bullshit no matter what somebody puts there. < 1300044405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, "really" 08.11.15 or so. < 1300044407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It was a joke. < 1300044409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the ":P". < 1300044446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, over three months. Also, you care about the topic way too much. < 1300044454 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, make optbot togglable. < 1300044455 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: below 0: if the subtraction causes a borrow < 1300044467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Nah, I like it. < 1300044478 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care so much what the topic is, I would just much rather we allow it to be human rather than some random bullshit. < 1300044484 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we really *want* a specific topic, we should be able to keep it. < 1300044492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm going to assume that the many people who talked to optbot didn't outright hate it either :P < 1300044493 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right < 1300044496 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, well, actually saunalahti means a lahti containing a sauna < 1300044502 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People like to set the topic. And it's fine to see the topic change. It's NOT fine to see some topic you put up change for NO FUCKING REASON. < 1300044505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'll turn optbot off if the topic becomes like... vital information to donate money to save someone's life? < 1300044506 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nowadays, that's computer related stuff ;) < 1300044543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh, people put up plenty of topics when optbot was around, the fact is that the topic rate turnover then was more than once per six hours and it generally is now too, so optbot doesn't really hide the topic any more than anything else. < 1300044544 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: j-invariant: why? < 1300044610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear it seemed like more than three months, mind you... < 1300044617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The channel was very active then though. < 1300044622 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Except that, to repeat myself again, optbot's topics are RANDOM. It's fine for the topic turnover to be high when PEOPLE are setting the topic. It would even be fine if it was a friendly AI (lols). Instead what we have is human topics being replaced by random lines from the log? WHY? < 1300044622 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is that like /usr/local? < 1300044631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: NO YOU FUCKING ASSHAT IT ISN'T :P < 1300044632 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1300044642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because optbot is entertaining and says entertaining things. < 1300044642 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apart from that? < 1300044648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has been proved by three-month experiment. < 1300044661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the same reason fungot has a lot of quotes in the QDB, because these things are funny. < 1300044662 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because objects are " reference types" in java. :d), i really like some features of vim, however, is that < 1300044677 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAYING things can be funny, but the topic is not PRIVMSG. < 1300044728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually optbot has produced many entertaining topics before and will do so in the future. < 1300044728 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1300044732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, 3-month experiment. :p < 1300044776 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, plus, when people complained about EgoBot's topic changing, I TURNED THAT FEATURE OFF. < 1300044776 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the point is that it overrides whatever has gone before. < 1300044787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HOW MANY TIMES TO I HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT IT WAS A JOKE BEFORE YOU STOP YELLING ABOUT IT < 1300044801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: plz 2 be reading the things i say before replying kthx < 1300044845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Which bsnes are you using? I'm pretty sure this version is buggy. < 1300044886 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I had been using 0.73, for lack of GCC 4.5. < 1300044897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Isn't that super old? < 1300044901 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not in Debian Testing yet, and I don't feel like building it myself) < 1300044910 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, a couple months old. < 1300044918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in testing now. < 1300044928 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, GCC 4.5, not BSNES 0.73. < 1300044937 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orly? < 1300044937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean bsnes, yeah. < 1300044941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-4.5.html < 1300044942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Orly. < 1300044945 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137050.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300044945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/CAlZJ.jpg < 1300044947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: You're probably on squeeze, which is stable. < 1300044948 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough. < 1300044951 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LUDICROUSLY UNSAFE < 1300044952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to wheezy, which is testing. < 1300044959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't even wearing gloves! < 1300044960 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on wheezy. < 1300044966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For *foil*! < 1300044969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheezy, cough, splutter. < 1300044976 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs gcc-4.5
< 1300044991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Do try bsnes v076 and tell me if it works :P < 1300044995 0 :cheater97!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300045013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Also, do this to memory/memory.cpp line 48: < 1300045014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : destaddr = mirror(base + offset++, length); < 1300045014 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, sometimes I love chess < 1300045014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : //offset = (offset + 1) % length; < 1300045019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bug acknowledged/fixed by byuu. < 1300045019 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I earned a resignation in 10 moves < 1300045019 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is kjournald 75% of my file I/O ... < 1300045030 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, that bug. < 1300045041 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it be sort of limited by the amount of legit disk I/O that's done? < 1300045316 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The *fuck*, man. < 1300045324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: HAHA TOLD YOU < 1300045327 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Oh, I see*. < 1300045334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes, it's initialised to Cartridge. < 1300045340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But even fixing the file selection bug, EMULATION DOESN'T WORK. < 1300045343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least of C* T* (U*). < 1300045346 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going really slow due to defaulting to the accuracy profile. < 1300045352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, _really_ slow? < 1300045356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a pretty fast machine. < 1300045365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have to wait like 30 seconds for it to start? < 1300045369 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the accuracy profile is insane. < 1300045370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: BTW, did the file selector work for you?! < 1300045378 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it did. < 1300045393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: o_O < 1300045397 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries the compatibility profile
< 1300045400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Anyway, I get 41-43 FPS. < 1300045404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When starting C* T* (U*). < 1300045404 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1300045411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Not that it ever _starts_. < 1300045414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I get FPS like that... < 1300045422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it should be starting the actual game quickly? < 1300045511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ASKING QUESTIONS HERE :P < 1300045576 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1300045578 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me. < 1300045580 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300045586 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But try profile=compatibility? < 1300045609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will. But I strongly suspect a broken compiler or something if the file selector is broken. < 1300045648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Kay. < 1300045655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing now. < 1300045660 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :My computer is possessed by the Ancient Spirit of ALGOL | Bless�d be his name | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300045668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1300045788 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300045824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Same blank screen with compatibility. < 1300045826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But higher FPS. < 1300045832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's emulating, just not... blitting the emulation to my screen. < 1300045837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYUU, YOUR UI IS SO BROKEN. < 1300045851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Can I have a binary with profile=accuracy? :-P < 1300045856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on x86-64 Ubuntu, so it should work on my machine too. < 1300045859 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit "advanced options" and try a different video driver? < 1300045863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that already. < 1300045864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't help. < 1300045867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the file selector bug is still there. < 1300045877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conclude that my compiler or something is fucked, so your binary would be appreciated :P < 1300045881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least until I debug further. < 1300045899 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you have RAM restrictions per bot or just for the whole thing < 1300045968 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Got a simple way of getting it to you? < 1300045979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Is email acceptable? < 1300045989 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1300045990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Uh oh". < 1300045997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: penguinofthegods@gmail.com :) < 1300046007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Yet Another Person asks me wtf is with my email, I will kill them. < 1300046056 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hrm. < 1300046069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300046072 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not getting past the very first bit in Super Mario Kart. < 1300046073 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Per bot; the two competitors are run as completely different processes. < 1300046087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'll try 'nother ROM myself. < 1300046088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (The time limit is based on ulimit'ing CPU time to one hour.) < 1300046095 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, so the 256 megs is for just the bot? < 1300046099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Most people seem fine with this release, so clearly our compilers are SO FUCKED UP, SO FUCKED UP. < 1300046109 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works just fine with Chrono Trigger. < 1300046109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Is this the FANCY TOURNAMENT? < 1300046132 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, there's a small stub to accept situations from stdin and write moves to stdout, but that's not going to use very much memory. < 1300046151 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends on what's fancy and what's not < 1300046180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: SMW does the same black screen thing, so yeah. < 1300046188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your binary is more working than mine :P < 1300046194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: gcc --version? < 1300046205 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc (Debian 4.4.5-13) 4.4.5 < 1300046217 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Mario World *also* works just fine. < 1300046233 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd bet SMK is a DSP issue. < 1300046246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5) 4.4.5 < 1300046248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1300046253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I wouldn't mind your binary still, then. :p < 1300046258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll compile my own 4.5 later. < 1300046260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And test that. < 1300046260 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :En route. < 1300046350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://p.zem.fi/ts0k.java -- this plus whatever code you write is run under "java -Xmx256M", to be most exact. < 1300046412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIARCH < 1300046444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name is inherited, not mine. < 1300046453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did put my own domain there for the prefix, though. < 1300046503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Your binary works. < 1300046522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Clearly I need a better compiler. < 1300046534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: (Meanwhile, wtf wtf wtf @ that miscompilation) < 1300046557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Actually what I *suspect* it is is that bsnes is depending on undefined behaviour and -O3 is messing it up. < 1300046565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the initialisation of the file opener mode... < 1300046704 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a-yup, I was having an issue with loading the DSP. Mario Kart works fine now. < 1300046767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: What kinda issue? < 1300046770 0 :FlyingTortilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300046999 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had set up an XML file for loading it. The format of the memory-mapping XML changed. < 1300047024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Ah. (Why does the emulator come with cheats but not memory-mappers?) < 1300047048 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It guesses them on cartridge load. < 1300047058 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the actual memory layout for almost everything isn't known yet. < 1300047065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1300047070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But What About the BS-X Satellaview? < 1300047070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truth of the matter is that most of these games are irreparably lost forever already. And those that remain are stored on extremely volatile flash memory. Not only does this mean the memory will fail an order of magnitude sooner than mask ROMs, it also means it is possible to tamper with. I will not be attempting the impossible here." < 1300047081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if all the games actually still exist on flash. < 1300047099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be quite a fun project, to track them all down and rip their contents. < 1300047111 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them were only playable for a limited time, making it so that people would have deleted them. < 1300047120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe not ALL people. < 1300047129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe somebody lost interest in a shot while. < 1300047132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*short < 1300047141 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seriously need either a time machine or a break-in to get at it, as far as we know. < 1300047200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.satellablog.blogspot.com/ This seems to have... videos, at least. < 1300047293 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1300047409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I still can't believe that bsnes is even vaguely playable now that I know it loads RAM byte-by-byte :P < 1300047417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the SNES is 16-bit, so it's only two reads. < 1300047504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Ohwait what's your g++-4.5 --version? < 1300047515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realised I gave you my normal gcc version X-D < 1300047516 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++-4.5 (Debian 4.5.2-4) 4.5.2 < 1300047521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine's < 1300047523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++-4.5 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.5.1-7ubuntu2) 4.5.1 < 1300047532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So MAYBE 0.0.1 VERSIONS FIXED SOMETHING < 1300047550 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yeah, bsnes does a lot of stuff very inefficiently. < 1300047592 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hardware documentation that happens to be playable. :P < 1300047638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: HARDWARE DOCUMENTATION THAT RELIES ON THE STACK NO LESS < 1300047683 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the stack-swapping thing because it makes things very, very readable. < 1300047714 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, aside from libco itself. < 1300047728 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are recent previous years' bot rankings available? (I'm wondering how much better than the given quintuplet people's creations have tended to be) < 1300047866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The old results page is at http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.4400/2010/results/ < 1300047886 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers < 1300047910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And the 2009 at http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.4400/2009/results/ -- that year the top three out of the given examples (which are the top 5 from 2008) were unbeateded. < 1300047931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It uses the stack-swapping thing because it makes things very, very readable. < 1300047933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack-swapping? < 1300047962 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it implements coöperative multithreading, yes. < 1300047975 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds... readable < 1300048000 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this umlaut thing you keep doing is very annoying < 1300048015 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The SNES is a combination of an insane number of CPUs, each with a different clock. < 1300048064 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any other way to handle that, with clock-tick-accurate emulation, *without* wanting to kill someone? < 1300048128 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not :) < 1300048153 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the alternative is a truly insane state machine. < 1300048182 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Containing all the possible CPUs that could be loaded. < 1300048198 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some SNES cartridges had another CPU that hooked into the system bus. No, really!) < 1300048212 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right! on-cartridge cpus... that makes it a lot more evil < 1300048296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you meant libco didn't use it for that reason. < 1300048302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant it stack-swapped for some entirely different reason. < 1300048303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and this umlaut thing you keep doing is very annoying < 1300048310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called a diaeresis and PH is the one who does it all the time :P < 1300048342 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care who does it the most, I blame all of you! < 1300048362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, it's called... < 1300048382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's actually a trema. < 1300048396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., a trema is a diæresis that marks a hiatus. < 1300048400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not making this up. < 1300048407 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trema is a genus of about 15 species of evergreen trees closely related to the hackberries (Celtis) < 1300048414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. < 1300048421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An umlaut is also a trema. < 1300048427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a hiatus trema diæresis! < 1300048452 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, if you have ROMs in .smc, use snespurify (in the bsnes source). < 1300048455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We Finns keep döing it all the time too, but it's umlauts when we do it. < 1300048497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: So I need to run snespurify on byuu's thing you linked me? WELL THAT MAKES SENSE < 1300048513 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not Byuu's. < 1300048515 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tḧërë's älsö ẗḧë mëẗäl ümläüẗ. < 1300048520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, are ä and ö not part of your balphabet? < 1300048525 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I object to is the use of non-umlaut tremata < 1300048531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are, yes. < 1300048538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://byuusan.kuro-hitsuji.net.nyud.net/blargg_near_cd_quality2.7z Well, here's a simple audio demo you could try that I know for a fact works in BSNES. < 1300048546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's ANOTHER person called byuu out there who does SNES stuff. < 1300048546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rather hard to avoid not hearing how it sounds wrong when you see "coöperative" when the "hardwired" meaning is a different sound. < 1300048546 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Blame Blargg. < 1300048552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P < 1300048555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was wondering what that meant! < 1300048567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are they actually pronounced umlauty? < 1300048573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they just separate members of the balphahet? < 1300048580 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metal tremata are worse than diaereses since they don't even have a meaning < 1300048616 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Diæreſes are more correct þan þou. < 1300048654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: They're not tremata. < 1300048658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're diæreses. < 1300048665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The symbol is the diæresis. < 1300048685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The trema is usually used to denote one of two distinct phonological phenomena: diaeresis (pronounced /daɪˈɛrɨsɨs/ dy-ERR-ə-səs), in which the trema is used to show that a vowel letter is not part of a digraph or diphthong; and umlaut (pronounced /ˈʊmlaʊt/ OOM-lowt), in which the trema illustrates a sound shift." < 1300048689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'pedia disagrees. < 1300048690 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A trema [...] is a diacritic consisting of two dots ( ¨ ) placed over a letter" < 1300048693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tremeta is when a diæresis is used to denote either a hiatus, or a sound shift. < 1300048705 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300048719 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Diaeresis (prosody), pronunciation of vowels in a diphthong separately, or the division made in a line of poetry when the end of a foot coincides with the end of a word" from the disamb. page < 1300048721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Arguably, a trema is a diæresis when it is used to denote a hiatus, and an umlaut when it is used to denote a sound shift. < 1300048736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But metal umlauts are neither a hiatus nor a sound shift, so I think calling the mark a trema there is wrong. < 1300048747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, the article recently got deleted. < 1300048750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Varsity has told us that fascination with Jellybabies is a "fetish", < 1300048750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we want to keep Nomicam a clean family game: < 1300048750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The speaker shall once and once only go through the rules, changing every < 1300048750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mention of the word "jelly baby" - in whatever grammatical form - into the < 1300048750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :word "sheep" - in the corresponding grammatical form. < 1300048750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diæresis, that is.) < 1300048751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1300048753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all got reorganised. < 1300048838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@elliott-MacBookAir:~/Downloads/gcc-4.5.2$ ./configure --with-languages=c,c++ --enable-lto --enable-libssp < 1300048839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo. < 1300048856 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're in fact arguing the wikipedia is wrong, I think it clearly says that a trema is the diacritic regardless of what meaning you invent for it < 1300048881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=trema < 1300048883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that settles it. < 1300048902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S: (n) umlaut, dieresis, diaeresis (a diacritical mark (two dots) placed over a vowel in German to indicate a change in sound) < 1300048902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--WordNet < 1300048912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So at least WordNet disagrees, sort of, kinda. :p < 1300048937 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I only get S: (n) Trema, genus Trema (an evergreen tree of the family Ulmaceae that grows in tropical America and Africa and Asia) < 1300049015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's called a ``joke''. < 1300049018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may have heard of this. < 1300049061 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diaeresis appears to be a synonym of trema though < 1300049081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly a diæresis is a type of rtee. < 1300049083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tree. < 1300049157 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300049159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Re the earlier discussion fork, a → ä is /ɑ/ → /æ/ IPA-wise, and o → ö is /o̞/ → /ø̞/, so it is "umlauty" in the sense of "sound shift"; I think that more or less matches German usage, too. < 1300049160 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300049177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nair fuff. < 1300049385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../.././gcc/config/i386/i386.c: In function ‘ix86_handle_fndecl_attribute’: < 1300049385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../.././gcc/config/i386/i386.c:26127: warning: unknown conversion type character ‘E’ in format < 1300049385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../.././gcc/config/i386/i386.c:26127: warning: too many arguments for format < 1300049385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../.././gcc/config/i386/i386.c:26135: warning: unknown conversion type character ‘E’ in format < 1300049385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../.././gcc/config/i386/i386.c:26135: warning: too many arguments for format < 1300049386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh." < 1300049415 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, nonstandard formats < 1300049561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: fatal error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory < 1300049562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "E" is not a nonstandard type, though; at least in C99. < 1300049565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhhhhhh? < 1300049574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does gcc build a 32-bit thing by default? < 1300049580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# multilibs." < 1300049584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, no, no multilibs please gcc. < 1300049628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, /me installs multilib gcc :P < 1300049662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm*. < 1300049682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michelle Bachmann would like to let you know that E PLVRIBVS VNVM is unAmerican. < 1300049702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom is un-American. < 1300049710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can we please stop saying "unA"? Really really ugly.) < 1300049721 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E PLVRIBVS VNVMerican < 1300049727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unÄmerican. Better? < 1300049728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300049757 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unaemerican < 1300049767 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*æ < 1300049807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :un American, with U+200A HAIR SPACE ("thinner than a thing space; in traditional typography, the thinnest space available") there. (Again an awesome character name.) < 1300049826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S NOT EVEN A SPACE < 1300049831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a slight kerning failure! :P < 1300049843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a monospaced font, it's also quite a failure. < 1300050050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc sure does take a while to compile. < 1300050064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("A few seconds" would count as "not a while".) < 1300050580 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ʌnəmɛɹɪkən < 1300051293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oiwajrh < 1300051595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should work on installing emacs < 1300051603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have Emacs installed, kind of < 1300051760 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300051801 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300051808 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300051808 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300052150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300052163 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-187-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300052574 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: "Help! I've been g:lined from my mIRC!!" Bersirc 2.2: less n00bs [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] < 1300052727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gcc, it never stops compiling. < 1300052986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes me want to get an Oberon VM and order it to recompile itself. < 1300053611 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have I ever designed a standard library? I'd like to lie and say "no", but the answer is "yes": I designed JavaScript's standard library (Clause 15 of ECMA-262, Edition 1, plus or minus) along with the "DOM Level 0" (onload and onclick and document, window, forms, etc. -- a great deal of this is only now standardized by HTML5). < 1300053611 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did this in about 30 days in May and June 1995 (10 days in May for the core language), and spent the rest of the year debugging and repenting. I was under orders to make JS look like Java, so some of the standard library is cloned from the JDK1.0 -- in particular, Ken Smith of Netscape did a pretty straight port of java.util.Date, Y2K bugs and all, to JS." < 1300053619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4009#comment-60781 < 1300053930 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300053994 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300054760 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300054778 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is bad UTF-8 in the TOPIC message. < 1300054813 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not be utf-8 at all < 1300054857 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I read article of ] programming language, it says programs that the brackets are matched is invalid. I have a different idea, which is to make something such that a thing is not said explicitly, but instead is implied by the other rules of the language (such as its commands) that cause programs with all matched brackets to do nothing. < 1300054884 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It is not UTF-8. But I think in here we mostly are using UTF-8, so it should be corrected unless you are deliberately trying to make it wrong. < 1300054931 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine for me, so I don't think it should be changed :) < 1300054977 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Is your client not in UTF-8 mode? Sometimes Japanese things are typed in here using UTF-8. < 1300055012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mod < 1300055013 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> a -> a < 1300055020 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it neatly auto-detects whether stuff seems to be latin1 or utf-8 < 1300055083 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PuTTY does not do such things, though. Also, there might sometimes be something that causes the detection wrong. < 1300055118 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I used PuTTY I'd have to have putty and my locale set to utf-8 to allow the client to output whatever it auto-detected to < 1300055127 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ssh in general, for that matter < 1300055805 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300055832 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300056283 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300056462 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300057405 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX will skip tokens category 10 character 32 when reading undelimited arguments. So, I made a macro \makefunny that makes spaces funny so that the macro can read spaces. < 1300057524 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300058500 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300058541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300058772 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1300058907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1300058917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300059281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- google.com ping statistics --- < 1300059281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 packets transmitted, 19 received, 54% packet loss, time 41134ms < 1300059281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 42.567/43.240/44.072/0.433 ms < 1300059281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaargh < 1300059562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1300059853 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been on #LaTeX channel. I realized that a lot of people have a lot of problems with LaTeX which could be avoided by using Plain TeX instead. < 1300059925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the cost of much more pain. < 1300059991 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-165-44.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300060016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300060019 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Perhaps the first time. The first time I had a few problems too, but the second time I knew much better and now I can make Plain TeX documents very easily without much pain/trouble/whatever. < 1300060552 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried using LaTeX once. It is so weak and difficult that I am not sure why someone would use it, except, perhaps, people who like Microsoft Word. < 1300060576 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300060588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, some of us like LaTeX and hate Microsoft Word, and simply want to work in a high-level document language rather than a low-level typesetting language. < 1300060591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So please stop telling us how bad it is. < 1300060594 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're funny sometimes < 1300060607 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whatever, work with what you like. < 1300060610 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is to elliott what eliott is to the rest of us < 1300060629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: don't be silly, i don't justify my criticisms < 1300060636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, who is eliott :trollface: < 1300062033 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | From when they take effect. < 1300062065 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300062382 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is watching Firefly
< 1300062834 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A chess variant about "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" should be invented. < 1300062877 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300062901 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spanish inquisition is kept in pocket < 1300062904 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the moves of a knight < 1300062924 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can places it only if it attacks two or more non-pawn pieces or delivers check < 1300062972 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK. I like that idea. < 1300062995 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea too was it is kept in pocket initially < 1300063034 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it is something like Pocket Knight chess. < 1300063545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever happened to Fourplay? < 1300063567 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is Fourplay? < 1300063573 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I linked to that idiot's blog who mentioned Fourplay a while ago < 1300063580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourplay itself however is nt by idiots < 1300063586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nomicchess < 1300063595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/fourplay/fourplay.html < 1300063601 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not balanced, really < 1300063839 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: LaTeX and Microsoft Word can be compared? < 1300063870 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Maybe. < 1300063898 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Are you at Stanford University? < 1300063921 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: apparently < 1300063928 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I just know how to look the look. < 1300063936 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1300064306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He's in Stanford IN THE FUTURE. < 1300064312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the Doctor. < 1300064362 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctor? < 1300064397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300064399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He operates the TARDIS < 1300064401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TARDIS. < 1300064811 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300064869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300064876 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300065340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress(TM): gcc have removed the option to inhibit warnings about #import without using -w, but not #import itself (despite wanting to deprecate it since 2003). < 1300065349 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300065374 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300065458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh well, -Wno-deprecated works.) < 1300065943 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300065943 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300065943 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1300065948 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My TeX chess program is not only for FIDE chess. So after I finished I can post to Chess Variants, too, since you can also use it for other games, not only for FIDE chess. < 1300066709 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1300066729 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1300066767 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300067201 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300067743 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300068337 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062186.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300068790 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-127-19.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300070607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you know you ported c-intercal to mac os 9? < 1300070621 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300070627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came up again < 1300070631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mysterious error < 1300070648 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300070662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks Cancel in the hopes that whatever debugger comes up will give him a hint
< 1300070678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was thinking that it would be a lot easier if one simply wrote Cygwin for Mac OS. < 1300070680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SO CLEARLY IT MUST BE DONE. < 1300070702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it must work on System Software 6, obviously. To become the best operating system! < 1300070704 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't OS X a UNIX? < 1300070719 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derivative of BSD, iirc? < 1300070738 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I flat out mistaken? (Or somewhere in the middle) < 1300070738 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1300070764 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I am not trying to make that into a list containing merely data and placing the ' on the wrong side < 1300070862 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nlo debugger came up < 1300070954 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS X is UNIX. < 1300070969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But older versions are not. < 1300070971 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even has a few GNU programs. < 1300070978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few, actually. < 1300070981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes with gcc and Emacs, for one. < 1300070989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it's quite easy to compile your own. < 1300070995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, comes with; gcc is part of Xcode. < 1300071008 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know those things. < 1300071037 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elliott ignoring me again? < 1300071077 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: mac is a derivative of mach and BSD < 1300071078 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Maybe. I read your messages though. < 1300071096 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has been certified as UNIX < 1300071100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Heavens, it's much more fun than that! < 1300071126 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well yeah - it has its own stuff as well. It was mainly BSD + Mach + Cool looking shell < 1300071129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Mac OS X's kernel is XNU. XNU is 4.3BSD updated to FreeBSD, *running on top of Mach*. < 1300071151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of like NT. < 1300071154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win32 runs on top of NT. < 1300071158 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah: I know < 1300071169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: But then drivers are written in a subset of C++ separately... for no apparent reason :) < 1300071182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not quite, as Win32 is merely an API implemented on top of NT. < 1300071189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No; Win32 is a subsystem. < 1300071196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a bit more. < 1300071198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas XNU has an entire BSD kernel running on top of Mach. < 1300071200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so it's the Windows subsystem with the Win32 API. < 1300071201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. < 1300071203 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because c++ has saner type safety and allows one to use nicer features like classes without exposing implementation < 1300071225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: (1) I mean, why not use the BSD driver layer, and (2) I don't buy OOP propaganda :) < 1300071236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather: I think that the goal of abstraction is obviously an admirable one, but I don't believe OOP is the best way to do it. < 1300071240 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wasn't think OOP (which has little to do with classes) < 1300071241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The OS X setup is more analogous to User Mode Linux than anything else, really. < 1300071255 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, ...saner than C, I assume. I assume that other languages are out of the question, otherwise "C++ is sane" is.. silly < 1300071264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not quite. Mach is *designed* to have kernels run underneath it. < 1300071273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean, what do you think Hurd runs on top of? < 1300071274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mach. < 1300071279 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes; < 1300071291 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hurd, runs? < 1300071292 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-p < 1300071294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's also designed to have those kernels actually *use* Mach. < 1300071298 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was in jest) < 1300071311 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300071317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of, uh, using it as a pointless abstraction layer. < 1300071338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: It doesn't even support USB! :) < 1300071359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It isn't *quite* pointless. < 1300071365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely if Linux never existed, Hurd would be further along... < 1300071366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mach gives the OS soft real-time support, for one. < 1300071376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And more importantly, the drivers run on top of Mach instead of BSD. < 1300071383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED. < 1300071400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a lot of OS X drivers run in user-space, which would be "fun" to do with BSD. < 1300071432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Linux actually has quite a few user-space drivers by now... < 1300071484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the 90s when nextstep was created :) < 1300071494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1986. < 1300071517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, RATE MY IDEA OF WRITING CYGWIN FOR MAC. < 1300071566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Join #microcosm. < 1300071566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300071587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: AFAIK microcosm can't actually run anything yet :P < 1300071613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can run a few trivial things... < 1300071636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And I VERY MUCH DOUBT microcosm would work on a platform without stdin/out, with no more than ANSI C (unless you wrote Mac OS Classic-specific code!), ... < 1300071646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... I doubt it will yield to other processes, ... < 1300071658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Mac OS Classic? < 1300071668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yep. < 1300071672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that'd need to be a full kernel. < 1300071675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mac OS X needs no Unix :P < 1300071683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What does Microcosm target, anyway? < 1300071687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it only works on other Unices it's a bit useless. < 1300071697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Any vaguely modern OS. < 1300071714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not far away from Windows :trollface: < 1300071716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, not necessarily a kernel; all Unix functions could yield. < 1300071722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then only tight loops would lock up. < 1300071731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DOS has this problem, for instance :) < 1300071748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It'd be NICE to multitask with tight loops, but... < 1300071761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And I think you could hook a "stop it!" key right to the OS to terminate them. < 1300071916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, a Unix with only 8 megs of ram: FUN? < 1300071950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can manage that without any real effort. < 1300071960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just isn't going to be doing anything too fancy. < 1300071965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I WANT TO RUN GCC ON IT < 1300071975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give up now. < 1300072034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: djgpp ran with only 2 megs of ram at the start... < 1300072036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(early 90s) < 1300072037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc < 1300072046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I could just port gcc 2 :) < 1300072077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, you could probably get older GCC working fine. < 1300072094 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300072098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Modern* GCC can suck up gigs if you look at it wrong. < 1300072098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And BASH < 1300072166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Seriously though, Mac OS is PERFECT for this. < 1300072175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You basically run as your own OS with a large graphical API. < 1300072399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In fact, if I implemented my own timer, I could do proper multithreading... < 1300072402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, preemptive. < 1300072425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Awesomely though, every Unix application would stop if you tabbed away. < 1300072443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, forcing Mac OS into proper multithreading. < 1300072497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dunno if it's worth it though :p < 1300073309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> enumFrom 3 < 1300073310 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,... < 1300074082 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Did British Secondary Prevention Trial inadvertently end up reproducing Lyon Diet-Heart stydy (one of the most successful dietary trials ever) in reverse? < 1300074792 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-127-19.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300074848 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300075090 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: What is that? < 1300075238 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300075524 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300075793 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300075964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i see you have discussed optbot more. i'd like to repeat/point out that my basic executive decision in this case is that if optbot is to change the topic, it _must_ look at the topic that is already set, and preserve what others have put there. i suggest changing only the part after the last |. < 1300075964 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What does `ls' do on VMS < 1300075976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when was that your executive decision? < 1300075982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall you ever saying that, not in 2008 and not in 2011 < 1300075992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was never optbot's behaviour < 1300075992 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you think about that? < 1300075993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...earlier today... < 1300076005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not according to herobrine < 1300076016 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's what i _thought_. < 1300076060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll just take it down then, since it'd be a huge pain to make the code do that, and also generate really clipped topics because of the limit < 1300076113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i may have also allowed an actual optbot command that other people than you can use. < 1300076113 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see < 1300076126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that'd still clip topics < 1300076157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd point out that both options are considerably more lenient than what some other people suggested. < 1300076174 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another option is just remove the topic changing. < 1300076175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other people = Gregor < 1300076183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zzo38 < 1300076200 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300076205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's your sense of fun gone i ask! < 1300076257 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another another option is that it changes immediately if the log URL is missing, otherwise it changes it seven days after the previous change (including changes by other users). < 1300076303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it appears that elliott does not think actually paying attention to TOPIC commands is a reasonable change. < 1300076313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about reasonability, it's about feasibility. < 1300076334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topic limit <<< the message limit, and optbot does messages, + the overhead it has now is about max before it sarts chopping unreasonably < 1300076334 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.google.com/search?q=x-directory&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a#hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:unofficial&&sa=X&ei=b6bZTJbjCOaV4gbn2qS8CA&ved=0CBEQvgUoAA&q=%2B%22application/x-directory%22&nfpr=1&fp=8ec2bc6eb6ca6ae0 < 1300076341 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, just make it never change the topic message. < 1300076352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 50% of the fun of optbot, so i'd rather take it down. < 1300076352 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i meant to run it in the Integer -> Program direction, fwiw < 1300076367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well _most_ irc messages aren't that long. < 1300076378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, but the topic limit is quite a bit less. < 1300076379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 or so less < 1300076386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1300076386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a hundred or so overhead. < 1300076399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPICLEN=390 < 1300076415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 100 less or so < 1300076419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the message limit including nick prefix is 510 or so < 1300076441 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or change the message only when "PRIVMSG optbot :TOPIC" is received, is another way. < 1300076441 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no! < 1300076446 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: No? < 1300076446 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But seriously, nobody would pay that much for a drive. < 1300076463 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it for free then. < 1300076526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm a suggestion, put a link to tunes in your own logs, then we can remove tunes from the topic. < 1300076552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that might work, but does not solve the issue that user-added topics will be far longer anyway. < 1300076552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may have already done so afaik, i only visit individual dates) < 1300076559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not. < 1300076596 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't like it, I think tunes log should always be available there it is the official policy. < 1300076633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um the official policy surely is that _some_ logs must be there if there are any... < 1300076652 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could delete the word "logs:" and write "http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | " as the prefix. < 1300076659 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since "logs" is in the URL. < 1300076665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need logs in the URL. < 1300076718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it? < 1300076776 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It doesn't, but since "logs" is already in the URL, the prefix "logs: " can be removed. However, I (and others) still think you should make it optbot not changing topic message. < 1300077619 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300077619 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | I KNOW < 1300077623 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1300077761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok current compromise is a 12 hour timeout after anyone changes the topic. < 1300077769 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | I DON'T KNOW < 1300077805 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That might work. Keeping track of the last change of *anyone* is important. < 1300077852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if/when something longer is needed, either elliott or an op should be able to take action in that time. < 1300077875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compromise for when i'm not lazy, mind you. < 1300077897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm just summarizing mine and elliott's private conversation so it's official) < 1300077905 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, then for now just disable that feature until you get less lazy to be able to correct it. < 1300077906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have private conversations < 1300077907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about? < 1300077924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nah; if someone really has something desperately urgent to put in the topic in the next few days, oerjan or fizzie can +t < 1300077932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a mythical situation, but just in case :) < 1300077936 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300077936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll fix it, because I'll be less lazy. < 1300077941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was done by telepathy. your consciousness may not have perceived it yet. < 1300077953 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300077961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OW < 1300077965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that hurt :( < 1300077968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect strange dreams. < 1300077980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION backs slowly away from oerjan
< 1300077984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you weren't joking about the wet furry porn < 1300077998 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often have a strange dream < 1300077999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1300078027 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot (not all) of them, is ones with no words (or picture) to explain. < 1300078040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dream about tortoises < 1300078094 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what kind of reason is there in such dreams why Achilles cannot catch the Tortoise? < 1300078095 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream this morning < 1300078101 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about an airport < 1300078116 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you have to get on a conveyor belt and lie down < 1300078137 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just does all the airporty stuff while you lay there and wait for it to take you to your plane < 1300078139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i approve < 1300078195 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was poorly designed in the dream, but the basic premise would be nice < 1300078247 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would work for tired people with no packages, no money, and no hunger. < 1300078272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no packages are fine, they can also go on the belt. < 1300078284 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might work a little bit in some other cases too, possibly, but I don't know quite. < 1300078314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no money? < 1300078320 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they need to put the separator bars so you know whose package it is? < 1300078323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote It would work for tired people with no packages, no money, and no hunger. < 1300078378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you could solve the hunger part by having some of those things from manufacturing belts that they use to fill food packages < 1300078383 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separator bars might help a little bit in current airport, but then barcodes would also be required. Otherwise you always lose all packages < 1300078401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you better be positioned right on the belt when that happens < 1300078422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: do the tsa just run up to you and grope you? < 1300078428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this won't take a second." < 1300078429 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Still, if you are tired you might prefer to be lying on the conveyor belt. Other people who are not tired might prefer to stand up. < 1300078440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody likes standing up < 1300078460 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey they could give an actual MRI scan then. would solve that bombs in your cavities problem. < 1300078470 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else, sit down on the chair and go in the plane from walking outside. < 1300078474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a bomb in my cavity hur hur I don't even know what that would mean < 1300078477 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted a dream of mine online a while ago < 1300078481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY THIS IS THE FUTURE < 1300078484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so that's 3 dreams < 1300078487 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lying down on conveyor belt would help if you are tired. < 1300078488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dreamviews.com/f107/sgeos-dream-journal-53892/ < 1300078488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/sgeo/alternate-universe-elevator-1827/ < 1300078504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: disturbingly, it can mean exactly what it sounds like. < 1300078516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean a thing that can blow up in my cavity?!?!?!?! < 1300078516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1300078541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, just got another telepathic communication from you. jesus christ. well, now i know what "i've got a bomb in my cavity" could mean. < 1300078546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure i want to though. < 1300078576 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ROBOTS DO THE GROPING. THEY HAVE NO FEELING. THEY WON'T POP A BONER.\ < 1300078580 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1300078604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but do they handle the recipient ``popping a boner'' to use your crude American terminology? < 1300078609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you an MRI scan would give new meaning to the "please remove metal objects" part < 1300078622 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is HackEgo broken again? < 1300078639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the airport could just have a total nudity rule. < 1300078642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, total goatse rule. < 1300078645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could hide nothing! < 1300078655 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'll leave it to you to design a robot that can tell the difference between a pipe bomb and < 1300078679 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enemabot! < 1300078697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm sure i've seen approximations to that joke (well not the goatse) in several comics, including dilbert. < 1300078711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe even the goatse. < 1300078724 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless of how they do it, I no longer go on airplanes anyways; I have already for a few years, decided to stop using airport. < 1300078726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not quite sure about that.
< 1300078791 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300078850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you ever been on an aeroplane? < 1300078975 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes I have once. But even then, and even more now, they do all stupid things with the surveillance, lost packages, prohibition of items on planes, and various other things. < 1300078990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think they shouldn't prohibit bombs on planes. What do you think? < 1300079002 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, just go by boat if you need to go across the ocean. < 1300079029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1300079060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i prefer to go overseas by train < 1300079065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure, but I meant other things, such as nail files, toner cartridges, pencil and paper, and a lot of others. < 1300079074 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is there a train in the water? < 1300079081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300079083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WATERTAIN < 1300079087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It exists, in your imagination < 1300079127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if the dilbert one may even have been pre-2001
< 1300079157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's precisely the kind of dystopian idea scott adams _would_ get < 1300079172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember why i hate scott sdams < 1300079173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*adams < 1300079209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i assume his comics have degraded like most long-time runners, and now he sucks? < 1300079212 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream once, there was various clubs in a building, for the pokemon element types, and also the administration club. The administration club was not permitted to have any members. < 1300079215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no no unrelated to his comics < 1300079226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he posted some ridiculously stupid anti-scientific thing to his blog once so i started hating him < 1300079231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. some absurd opinion... < 1300079233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was relaly weird too < 1300079234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really < 1300079250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that you going throough the list of things i mate hate people for? < 1300079251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typos < 1300079288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/08/poster-child-fo.html ;; well here he misinterprets "atheist" and is stupid about it. < 1300079302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: i prefer to go overseas by train <-- underseas, you mean < 1300079307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1300079309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the train floats < 1300079336 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It probably is not a train, even if they call it a train, it isn't. < 1300079341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1300079350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's railtracks under the water, it grows legs to connect to them < 1300079383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am now going to annoy elliott by pointing out that he is joking. < 1300079384 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each pokemon element type club has two ways of being a member (and no payment is required). < 1300079413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It exists, in your imagination < 1300079418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cover my bases. < 1300079428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also not a list, i vaguely recall you mention that adams thing before < 1300079445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not interesting enough to donate brain cpu cycles to :D < 1300079457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is not cpu, it's memory < 1300079470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it hogs cpu cycles to access memory and process it < 1300079472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in a real computer < 1300079473 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, in your imagination, you can make it whatever you want including illogical things in seventeen thousand dimensional space with one is not both the same. < 1300079476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1300079478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking is much easier than remembering :) < 1300079487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, quicker < 1300079490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remembering is less "work". < 1300079495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it takes a long time. < 1300079503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what i'm saying is, use Checkout for your brain, bro < 1300079530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw this train < 1300079530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in Spirited Away < 1300079530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :went right along the water < 1300079593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely remember that! < 1300079599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirited away is kinda one big gob in my head. < 1300079600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: seventeen thousand dimensional space is not illogical, mind you. although maybe a little inconvenient. < 1300079650 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I also had some dream about not push the buttons in elevator door. < 1300079660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh < 1300079662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually for linear algebra it may even be convenient. < 1300079662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what happened < 1300079666 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300079677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did not mean that 17000 dimension space is illogical, I meant you have illogical imagination things in it. < 1300079735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300079735 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300079752 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is URL about my dream (look for the line with "*I was looking at programs for different programming languages." for the one about the elevator button) < 1300079755 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/misc/weird_dream/dream.txt < 1300079782 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with @ instead of * is somebody else, I just collected the information. The one with * is my own. < 1300079857 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300079896 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300079903 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined things happened. < 1300079927 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300079974 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In a dream, such things is possible as undefined things happened. < 1300079985 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to press a random button in zzo38's elevator
< 1300080101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware of the button saying "outer space" < 1300080141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will _not_ enjoy it when the doors open < 1300080175 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have your dreams ever solved major problems in real life? < 1300080194 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for instance, the answer to what's the difference between a duck? < 1300080210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats quintopia -----###
< 1300080220 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I can remember. However, I cannot remember, so I don't know. < 1300080226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did you finish your scoring system < 1300080245 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What scoring system? Whose scoring system? < 1300080250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia's < 1300080256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bfjoust < 1300080291 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1300080313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modifying report.c < 1300080316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1300080347 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i code it? < 1300080348 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, i'm too lazy to reimplement linear algebra, and i've heard gregor will not allow lapack, so i have to wait on him to tell me with linear algebra library i'm allowed to use. < 1300080354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300080357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1300080381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that might be a stumbling block :/ < 1300080390 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say I wouldn't ALLOW lapack, just that I wasn't going to learn it myself just to write a friggin' BFJoust scoreboard calculator :P < 1300080435 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic. so if i learn it, you'll allow it? < 1300080453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, so long as it's reasonably easy to install :P < 1300080459 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's in Debian. < 1300080480 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probs. iunno. < 1300080572 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lapack.html < 1300081559 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1300081721 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300081865 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300081953 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300081957 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1300081972 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300082099 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1300082099 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1300082099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1300082099 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1300082099 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1300082901 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1300082905 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300083041 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300083103 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300083352 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062186.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300083354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300083354 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300083354 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1300083354 0 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300083622 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | It's just a few vetical pixels at the top. < 1300083634 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300083750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I was thinking that it would be a lot easier if one simply wrote Cygwin for Mac OS. Vorpal: SO CLEARLY IT MUST BE DONE. <-- oh my < 1300083982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: And I think you could hook a "stop it!" key right to the OS to terminate them. <-- MacBugs? < 1300084051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: I dunno if it's worth it though :p <-- depends on what standard. #esoteric? Hell yeah! < 1300084054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1300084571 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300084760 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300084767 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300085857 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300086143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd :D < 1300086287 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, my respect for Al Gore just went up < 1300086398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, pray tell? < 1300086509 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about how he, as president of the senate, correctly enforced a rule that ultimately led to him losing the election < 1300086600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1300086642 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1300086743 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specific rule was that challenging a state's electoral result requires the signature of a representative and a senator from that state, and there was no senator signed on < 1300087193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah. < 1300087218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame, too. Al Gore damned well should've been President. < 1300087228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand may or may not have actually won. < 1300087354 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he upheld the law and denied himself the opportunity to win; which is very honorable < 1300087486 0 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.126.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300087493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300087493 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300087520 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fun legal fact: the constitution of canada is not a set whose elements are all known < 1300087620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Canada actually had a well-defined legal system? < 1300087628 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a constitution act which says < 1300087634 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) The Constitution of Canada includes < 1300087635 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) the Canada Act 1982, including this Act; < 1300087635 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) the Acts and orders referred to in the schedule; and < 1300087635 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) any amendment to any Act or order referred to in paragraph (a) or (b). < 1300087646 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it also includes a bunch of other things < 1300087652 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like parliamentary privelege < 1300087673 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has in particular been confirmed by the supreme court to actually be a part of the constitution < 1300087686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike the UK, where even the premise of the government being divine right isn't well-defined... < 1300087711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ... Oh, great, your supreme court is as fucking nuts as ours. < 1300087730 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think I have to agree < 1300087751 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :privelege is mentioned in the constitution act but never explicitly defined < 1300087761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how long humans can actually keep up this only sleeping every other day thing < 1300087765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see nothing in clause 2 of the Constitution Act there that would include parliamentary privilege... < 1300087773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any guesse;sdf? < 1300087787 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18. The privileges, immunities, and powers to be held, enjoyed, and exercised by the Senate and by the House of Commons, and by the members thereof respectively, shall be such as are from time to time defined by Act of the Parliament of Canada, but so that any Act of the Parliament of Canada defining such privileges, immunities, and powers shall not confer any privileges, immunities, or powers exceeding those at the passing of such Act held, < 1300087799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends: how long are you sleeping? < 1300087799 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a different part of the constitution act < 1300087813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: too long... like 11 hrs, but would be 12 if not for alarms andsuch < 1300087825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yup, definitely not in the Canadian constitution. Merely means of defining such. < 1300087921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a mess.
< 1300087921 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300087921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's better than waking up at 5pm. < 1300087921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate my circadian rhythm :( < 1300087921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You almost certainly have a sleeping disorder. < 1300087921 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this particular case, the privilege was the long-standing parliamentary privilege of excluding strangers; a TV company wanted to film the proceedings of the Nova Scotian legislature, but the legislature wouldn't let the cameras in < 1300087921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling tired already, definitely a record, probably should have slept this time, oh well, coffee < 1300087921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that much we already knew. < 1300087921 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TV company cited freedom of speech, of course < 1300087921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm fucking buying melatonin today < 1300087921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Strange that they'd cite the constitution for that. < 1300087927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Surely freedom of speech doesn't mandate that they have the right to record everything, everywhere? < 1300087954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:06:41 Vorpal: I was thinking that it would be a lot easier if one simply wrote Cygwin for Mac OS. Vorpal: SO CLEARLY IT MUST BE DONE. <-- oh my < 1300087955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:10:34 pikhq: And I think you could hook a "stop it!" key right to the OS to terminate them. <-- MacBugs? < 1300087955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:11:43 pikhq: I dunno if it's worth it though :p <-- depends on what standard. #esoteric? Hell yeah! < 1300087958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) yes, yes indeed < 1300087963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) i mean the "make tight loops not hang" thing < 1300087964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Also strange that you don't have your proceedings recorded already... I know here that the federal government *itself* actually does video recording of the entire proceedings of Congress. < 1300087964 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, but the SCC decided that the privilege is itself constitutional and thus not subject to obeying the rights set out in the Charter < 1300087981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can i have so much coffee < 1300087986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: How very strange; I'd think that human rights would be irrelevant. < 1300088018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's gets muddled when it's government business, because there are some very deep rights there < 1300088031 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a citizen's right to know what the government is doing, and the government's right not to tell them < 1300088054 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The federal government here records the House of Commons and committees of both chambers; the Senate itself has not authorized video recordings < 1300088066 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transcripts are available in both French and English by the next day online < 1300088078 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is, incidentally, absolutely insane) < 1300088104 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they also do live translation of proceedings so that anyone can participate in either language) < 1300088125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aaaah", multilingual society. < 1300088138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if our government was *sane*, they'd probably have to do the same. < 1300088143 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1300088148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, the US has *no* official language at all. < 1300088158 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add spanish? < 1300088171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is but *one* important language in the US. < 1300088173 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gangsta? < 1300088203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the one most likely to be relevant... < 1300088215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i should make cygmac work on system software 1 :D < 1300088241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's rather a *lot* of languages spoken here, even if you discount those languages which have mostly bilingual native speakers. < 1300088268 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :popping the stack a little, the issue that is really sticky about the scope of the constitution is that the constitution says that an amendment to the constitution that changes the composition of the Supreme Court requires unanimous consent of the provinces. < 1300088275 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds great, except for one minor detail < 1300088326 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the composition of the Supreme Court is defined in the Supreme Court of Canada Act, which is not in the schedule < 1300088356 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people hold this to mean that this requirement on amendment would apply only if the SCC were explicitly moved into the constitution < 1300088367 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :others hold it to mean that the SCCA is implicitly part of the constitution < 1300088403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1300088428 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Supreme Court Act < 1300088432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushing to the stack again. There's 35 million people who speak primarily Spanish in the US. *Damn*. < 1300088455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the USA have the second-largest Spanish-speaking community in the world. < 1300088466 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreover, the SCA predates that part of the constitution by a long time < 1300088468 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1300088472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thati sn't pushing to the stack < 1300088475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats calling the continuation < 1300088484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fuck you and your "accurate semantics". < 1300088484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your conversational control structures are spaghetti < 1300088491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijkstra disapprvoes < 1300088497 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreover, this is potentially relevant as there is a bill passing through the Senate right now to change the selection requirements for Supreme Court justices, although I expect it has about a snowball's chance in hell of actually passing < 1300088498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man wyh do yyou have to type the keys in order < 1300088501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bad thing about keyboards. < 1300088513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should just press them all at once, and it uses a dictionary :/ < 1300088529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: T3h groans. < 1300088532 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300088541 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it would fail if the supreme court is found to be part of the constitution as it would then require a bunch of provinces to agree) < 1300088562 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although, oddly enough, it would make it irrelevant that the Conservatives control the Senate) < 1300088602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're currently in the spanish stack frame < 1300088605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoguht you should know < 1300088635 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I stayed behind; it's a cactus stack < 1300088657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: your conversational system is so inelegant. horrible hacky whore language on top of spaghetti control. < 1300088665 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I speak in Perl < 1300088667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from now on I will talk only in Has < 1300088747 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, elliott's not currying properly < 1300088752 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the nearest indian restaurant? < 1300088777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kell < 1300088784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forced evaluati** Exception: undefined < 1300088806 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-126.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300088814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300088884 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what did you miss? < 1300088905 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:26 < coppro> (and it would fail if the supreme court is found to be part of the constitution as it would then require a bunch of provinces to agree) < 1300088909 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last line. < 1300088914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (although, oddly enough, it would make it irrelevant that the Conservatives control the Senate) < 1300088916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then some stack talk < 1300088919 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26 < coppro> (although, oddly enough, it would make it irrelevant that the Conservatives control the Senate) < 1300088922 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:27 < elliott> you're currently in the spanish stack frame < 1300088925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: use an irc bouncer or something srsly :P < 1300088925 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:27 < elliott> thoguht you should know < 1300088927 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:28 < coppro> elliott: no, I stayed behind; it's a cactus stack < 1300088930 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:28 < elliott> coppro: your conversational system is so inelegant. horrible hacky whore language on top of spaghetti control. < 1300088931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300088933 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:28 < coppro> elliott: I speak in Perl < 1300088933 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300088934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1300088935 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:28 < elliott> from now on I will talk only in Has < 1300088937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keys shouldn't do things < 1300088938 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:30 < coppro> uh oh, elliott's not currying properly < 1300088940 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:30 < coppro> where's the nearest indian restaurant? < 1300088943 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:30 < elliott> kell < 1300088943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have to hodl down every modifier I have to close the window < 1300088945 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:30 < elliott> you forced evaluati** Exception: undefined < 1300088948 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300088959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with coppro maybe the opposite < 1300088964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if his message matches ".win" it just does it < 1300088974 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loo < 1300088981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. loo. < 1300089021 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to hack my irssi so as to warn me every time I send a message that looks anything like a window switch < 1300089026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/basilisk_ii So does anyone see a source link on this page? < 1300089029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't < 1300089041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they just compile the old jit release they call a historic archive < 1300089052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: do what i do, only be in two channels, so much less confusing < 1300089056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still manage to part them on a regular basis tho < 1300089075 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1300089086 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm at about 25 < 1300089103 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your method sounds lame < 1300089113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my natural hatred of people helps me stay out of too many channels < 1300089122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss nothing! < 1300089141 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah, people are dumb < 1300089157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. specially elliott < 1300089160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the dumbest < 1300089169 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yupyup < 1300089175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only sleeps once every two days < 1300089177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of moron does that < 1300089195 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my school < 1300089200 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faculty, anyway < 1300089207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1300089210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not vey efficient < 1300089217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, usually i even fix typos < 1300089223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems pretty hard at this point < 1300089224 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my faculty is very efficient < 1300089231 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have an entire combinatorics and optimization department < 1300089240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just never sleepif you drink enough coffee, i think this might be practical for me < 1300089246 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300089253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have proof? < 1300089257 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300089260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need strong disproof. < 1300089269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in mathematical. saying "oh a bunch of people did this and died" doesn't count. < 1300089272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start from peano arithmetic < 1300089286 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I time traveled to the future and brought back your corpse after you went insane, thought yourself an automobile, and got run over on the motorway < 1300089292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may assume as an axiom that things exist < 1300089300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the one additional axiom you may assume < 1300089318 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that axiom is inconsistent with the coffee axiom < 1300089325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee makes things not exist? < 1300089326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep. < 1300089333 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sufficiently large quantities, yes < 1300089334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as deep as the sleep i'd like to be in. < 1300089336 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallucinations < 1300089345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah unfortunately i haven't hallucinated yet with this sleep dep < 1300089347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite disappointing < 1300089347 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black is white < 1300089350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i'm just irritable and tired < 1300089350 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up is down < 1300089352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallu would be fun < 1300089352 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :short is long < 1300089363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things would be unicorns and stuff, hallucinations are obviously just like nethack < 1300089366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: omg, but short is only 16 bits. < 1300089373 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep dep gives boring hallucinations < 1300089379 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: everything you know is wrong < 1300089382 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just forget the words and sing along < 1300089390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sleep dep gives boring hallucinations < 1300089392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than nothing < 1300089402 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1300089599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1300089715 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1300089715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for gcc... gcc-4.5 < 1300089715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... no < 1300089715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether gcc-4.5 accepts -g... no < 1300089717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uh." < 1300089738 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300089758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:4076: checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler < 1300089759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:4095: gcc-4.5 -c conftest.c >&5 < 1300089759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:4095: $? = 0 < 1300089759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: failed program was: < 1300089759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1300089764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$? = 0 means it worked, autoconf. < 1300089798 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1300089810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps assuming that because it worked and $? was 0 that everything failed after that :) < 1300089818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains why it's all "oh no, you don't have any headers basically". < 1300089833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:4255: gcc-4.5 -qlanglvl=extc89 -c conftest.c >&5 < 1300089833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-4.5: unrecognized option '-qlanglvl=extc89' < 1300089833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:4255: $? = 0 < 1300089833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: failed program was: < 1300089838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1300091019 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1300091387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best archive format to distribute code for a 68k mac emulator in < 1300091392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the author of mini vmac < 1300091398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decided "a macintosh disk image" < 1300091416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear to god, it's a bootstrapped mac emulator < 1300091609 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To play devil's advocate here, can't OS X mount those old disk images? < 1300091800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: nope < 1300091805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: but more importantl < 1300091806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1300091813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: the build system is a mac os <=6 application < 1300091822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not joking < 1300091837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: < 1300091837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://minivmac.sourceforge.net/doc/build.html < 1300091840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First download the source code archive from the download page, a file with the name “minivmac-3.1.3.src.zip”. Extract from this zip file a disk image (named “minivmac-3.1.3.src.dsk”). < 1300091840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now launch Mini vMac (version 3.0.0 or later), booting from a disk image containing a system folder. (The source code disk image doesn't contain a system folder.) (See the Start page for information about getting started with Mini vMac.) < 1300091840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mount the source code disk image in Mini vMac. At the top level of this disk is an application named "Build". Launch this application. A text editing window will open in which to type in the desired options. < 1300091847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it's literally a bootstrapped macintosh emulator. < 1300091859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source distributed as a macintosh boot image, compileable with a macintosh, or a prebuilt verison of itself. < 1300091861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*version < 1300091879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you will note that this is insane. It does CROSS COMPILING < 1300091885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... wait. < 1300091896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it... extracts into the host system or something. < 1300091901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So its configure is just a mac app I DON'T KNOW < 1300091902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S INSANE < 1300091958 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Holy fuck*. < 1300091983 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep. It's 02:23. < 1300091988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1300091989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noob o clock < 1300092022 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I intend to do my diff eq. homework before class tomorrow. < 1300093862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: echo hello >:foo.c; cp foo.c ::; mv ::foo.c :bar.c < 1300093869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD: MAC PATHNAMES IN UNIX < 1300094846 0 :Guest1055!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300095178 0 :Guest1055!x@ANantes-259-1-26-226.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300095911 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whence? how? < 1300095924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: in my mind!! with magic!!! < 1300095937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i want to implement cygwin for classic mac os. and even have a vague idea how. < 1300095954 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's .. suitably crazy < 1300095963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not cygwin itself, but, you know < 1300095965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix layer < 1300095977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, and i want it to work on System Software 6 too. :) < 1300095987 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally broken layer of brokenness on top of a broken os, check < 1300095989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks like this. http://www.operating-system.org/betriebssystem/bsgfx/apple/system6-scr-03.jpg < 1300096003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: old classic mac os isn't broken, just... selective... as to what it wants to acheive < 1300096009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. almost nothing < 1300096017 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice redefinition of not broken there < 1300096040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says the person using the broken os linux < 1300096067 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1300096498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300097484 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-44.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300097517 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300098103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on little mac, load the page, load the page! < 1300098106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the communication! < 1300098560 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181131199.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300098651 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300098923 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300098953 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300099382 0 :Kufiyeh!~Satire@a109-43.adsl.paltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300099462 0 :Kufiyeh!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300099509 0 :Kufiyeh!~Satire@a109-43.adsl.paltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300100017 0 :Kufiyeh!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300100806 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300101146 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/ < 1300101177 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300102282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:36:04 AnMaster: that doesn't solve the issue, in fact it introduces an issue, that being that the tabstops are no longer 8 < 1300102282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this log has so much circular logic it hurts < 1300102714 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's trolling? < 1300103105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: unfortunately not < 1300103119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a really persistent troll that he's kept up for years and strongly abides by :) < 1300103149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "TABS=8 AND EVERYONE WHO THINKS TABS!=8 EVER IS WRONG" thing; not that he ever gives a decent argument for it, but this was basically like 3 hours of circular argumentation from him in the logs) < 1300103149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300103153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kinda zassprating) < 1300103169 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1300103221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Vorpal, does that ick on mac classic thing actually work :) < 1300103336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300103340 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.126.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300103347 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where did you download mpw from anyway < 1300103427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be on Apple's FTP, at least. < 1300103441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FTP links at http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/ seem dead at the moment, though. < 1300103448 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i done the asking < 1300103453 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm the what? < 1300103499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it wasn't long ago (less than three years, I'd guess) that it still worked. < 1300103506 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the port thing was 2009. < 1300103521 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pretty much just want mpw 3 so i can write a unix kernel for system 6 :D < 1300103525 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i might want to develop on a later version < 1300103529 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vmac can only do original res < 1300103643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about http://mirrors.vanadac.com/ftp.apple.com/developer/Tool_Chest/Core_Mac_OS_Tools/MPW_etc./ then? < 1300103678 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whoaa. it's reflecting into my screen-space-visor-vision. < 1300103681 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd you do that < 1300103701 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to to figure out what GM vs PR is < 1300103705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still haven't slept, eh? < 1300103714 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: uh. i deny nothing. < 1300103719 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say... < 1300103722 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i nothing deny < 1300103753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The MPW-GM folder contains a complete Golden Master version of the MPW development environment including the MPW Shell, tools, interfaces and libraries. The software in this folder is considered to be "final" quality. The MPW-PR folder contains Pre-Release versions of some of the software components that make up the MPW development environment." < 1300103784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Game Master version. < 1300103794 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o k < 1300103801 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this just the newest version? < 1300103821 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of require the version that works on system software 6 which i think is 3 and erliar :) < 1300103845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahm'k; that might be more problemostic, yes. < 1300103874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FTP'd one does require 7.5. < 1300103884 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whoa. this is how you sneak your bad spellungs into my mindbrane!! < 1300103891 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do it, when i am not conscious, in the fullest degree!!! < 1300103896 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sneaky and you're bad! i have noticed this! < 1300103905 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if i could stick to the ceiling < 1300103969 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply enough duck/duct/gaffer tape and I bet you could < 1300104032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously enough, "jesus tape" is the most common Finnish nickname for it. Or even "jesse" or some-such. < 1300104036 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300104073 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus tpae. that's nice i like that < 1300104728 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :database metallurgy < 1300104819 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :database metallurgy? < 1300104839 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1300104846 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my operationg system is based on it < 1300105180 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, v075 works. < 1300105211 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Uh, I had a question but I've almost forgotten it. < 1300106333 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300106570 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1300106576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1300106606 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: inspired by the port of C-INTERCAL to classic Mac OS, I have become highly tempted to try writing Cygwin for Classic Mac OS < 1300106618 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, perfect match, right? < 1300106625 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actual Cygwin, just... a unix layer) < 1300106625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's a thought that my mind can't actually finish thinking < 1300106628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets stuck halfway through < 1300106631 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300106633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must be a really incredibly bad idea < 1300106646 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and really incredibly bad ideas are also known as really good ideas! < 1300106648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I will now attempt to forget what it was to save my sanity < 1300106648 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least _here_ < 1300106684 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well hey, C-INTERCAL supports m86k-macos-unknown-mpw (or whatever the thing would be), get ready to support m86k-macos-unknown-gnu! < 1300106685 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR SOMETHING < 1300106690 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did that patch ever get committed, btw? < 1300106693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300106697 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not? < 1300106705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by me because I didn't review it < 1300106710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by esr because it didn't have timestamps < 1300106716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which reason is more spurious < 1300106719 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timestamps?? < 1300106728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the changes weren't dated with when they were made < 1300106732 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that _matter_? < 1300106735 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you could just say you were looking for an excuse to reject it :P < 1300106809 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, C-INTERCAL bugreport: the configure script doesn't run on i386-win32-unknown-gnu < 1300106822 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is, it doesn't run in a native Windows version of bash, equipped with all the standard GNU tools < 1300106822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give a more specific bug report? < 1300106828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what goes wrong when you try? < 1300106829 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't run = garbage errors from bash < 1300106834 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget exactly, it was a while ago I tried < 1300106837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you try converting newlines first? < 1300106841 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried two ports, none worked < 1300106843 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I did < 1300106858 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Note that the port versions of bash were 1.something and 2.something respectively < 1300106863 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of doubt configure supports bash 1 < 1300106867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300106877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't actually be surprised if it did < 1300106883 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's obviously a bug anyway, because it has a shell and gnu tools, so obviously it should be able to run the build system < 1300106885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are all the sections on writing portable sh, and working around bugs < 1300106888 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I downloaded mingw to be a cc) < 1300106898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although nowadays they tend to abandon support for really old stuff, which is annoying < 1300106909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that defeats half the point of configure, which is to be stupidly backwards-compatible < 1300106918 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all the bloat, none of the benefit! < 1300106954 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should write a configure program in strict, avoiding-anything-that-anyone-has-fucked-up-implementing-ever K&R C, then it's _guaranteed_ to be able to configure wherever it can compile < 1300106981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then all it needs is a configure script to configure the compiler correctly for running it < 1300106990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, IIRC jettyplay has a configure script, because I'm insane < 1300107016 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : then all it needs is a configure script to configure the compiler correctly for running it < 1300107023 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you design the configure script so it works with just "cc configure.c" on any compiler < 1300107029 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use system() to do the rest, somehow < 1300107038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Windows, the compiler is called cl < 1300107044 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: substitute cc with the compiler name < 1300107050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm: AC_PATH_PROG([JAVAC], [javac]) < 1300107056 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that any user that can type ./configure should be able to just give it to the compiler and have it work :) < 1300107057 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1300107063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in jettyplay source < 1300107088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll be glad to hear I wrote the makefile.in by hand rather than using autoconf, though < 1300107105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not in the repo, btw; it's in a separate directory) < 1300107107 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. glad. < 1300107126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# This fails on unusual names for /usr/lib that contain ', &, \ or %. That < 1300107127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# shouldn't be a problem, but you never know... < 1300107138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out if this is a major failing or something completely irrelevant < 1300107146 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name for /usr/lib is "Tordy Complat Infisiant tumbly Hork" < 1300107150 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name for /usr/lib is "Tordy Complat Infisiant tumbly Hork%" < 1300107170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally failing on weird punctuation in filenames is bad (see: clc-intercal and mandb), but it seems vaguely unlikely to find it in a localized name for /usr/lib < 1300107173 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you see in @, you don't have to worry about escaping like that! < 1300107174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as most people just hardcode /usr/lib < 1300107183 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Lojban uses ', at least < 1300107212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is the one it's very hard to fix < 1300107222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to there being no way to tell make(1) to shell-escape variables it substitutes < 1300107225 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: you see in @, you don't have to worry about escaping like that! < 1300107234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed, just didn't have a reaction < 1300107241 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's TOTALLY RELEVANT >:D < 1300107275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not, anyway? < 1300107289 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because there's no shell, mostly < 1300107301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you run your makefiles? < 1300107314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I was trying to substitute something into the replacement side of a sed s/// regexp < 1300107317 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't; if you _did_ have a build system, it'd run code in @lang, which serves as the shell < 1300107339 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but even just using Python as the shell in Unix doesn't compare, because @lang actions don't just take strings and return strings < 1300107340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it doesn't run standard GNU configure files < 1300107343 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300107349 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've fixed your bug at its source! < 1300107352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, seriously, people use Python as a shell? < 1300107352 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out, the source is everything < 1300107358 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, but I was preempting a rebuttal < 1300107361 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "oh well that's just sh" < 1300107367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300107376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I interpreted as being more like Powershell than sh < 1300107379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only probably less insane < 1300107381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interpreted it < 1300107391 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, might want a beta oberon, this hasn't been updated since 1999... < 1300107392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, what you've described sounds more or less like the entire rationale for Powershell < 1300107404 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, except powershell makes a lousy programming language < 1300107408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can ignore it as Microsoft almost certainly screwed up the implementaiton < 1300107410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*implementation < 1300107411 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it also makes a lousy shell, but that's not inherent) < 1300107474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, languages can be good at one and bad at the other, or vice versa, or both or neither < 1300107485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that last sentence of mine was worryingly zzo38ish < 1300107495 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A C compiler would probably look like - GCC compile(my-bytestring) < 1300107503 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to be a bytestring (or a string, I suppose), because of cpp < 1300107519 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had some already-preprocessed-and-now-a-C-code-object code, it'd look more like GCC compile(that) :P < 1300107542 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was actually thinking of what a "Unix-like" shell in @ would look like < 1300107548 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concluded that < 1300107550 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cc foo.c < 1300107571 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would produce a box with "Native function" at the top of it, and some assembly code below, plus links to a bunch of inspectors < 1300107582 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "$ cc foo.c > foo" would introduce the alias "foo" in the current environment for that object < 1300107585 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be called with ./foo < 1300107595 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo.c is of course just an alias for another object, as @ has no filesystem) < 1300107617 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr EVERYTHING IS OBJECTS < 1300107624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, if you do that lazily, you could have lazy debug info < 1300107630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that idea < 1300107632 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1300107648 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: although, all standard @lang objects already have debugging, by virtue of being tied to their source < 1300107668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1300107676 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (AFAICT prebuilt binaries would be completely useless in @ as the compiler would be as fast as machinely possible) < 1300107676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean more extensive debug info could be generated on-demand < 1300107679 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300107688 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it sort of can, if the machine code is tied to the source < 1300107692 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can always re-scan that area < 1300107720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was going to say "you could even add things like debug printf statements to a program and rerun it in the environment it started running in", but then realised that things were getting dangerously Feather < 1300107742 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, that's still pretty solidly @ < 1300107749 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, obviously the outside world wouldn't change < 1300107769 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and the debugger would be entirely source-based, and let you change expressions in the program on the fly :) < 1300107774 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have them recompile into the right place < 1300107789 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could even add debug printfs to a running program just by adding them in the debugger < 1300107796 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then save the changes if you want to keep them < 1300107814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why are there not enbuggers? < 1300107826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, programs that help you figure out good places to put hard-to-find and subtle bugs in programs? < 1300107827 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because the debugger works perfectly well for that job < 1300107838 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and of _course_, you can debug a running debugger. < 1300107841 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that metadebugger too. < 1300107848 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you've ever wanted to do something completely pointless. < 1300107877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: some of the TAS people have been known to run debuggers around emulators that didn't have memory watch, to debug the program running inside the emulator by debugging the emulator itself < 1300107895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which to me seems a lot more work than just changing the emulator to have the features you need < 1300107948 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, in @, you could have a really long-running debugging session, so long-running that you never want to exit it ever < 1300107952 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you want to do something the debugger can't do < 1300107956 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you open a debugger on the debugger < 1300107959 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch the feature in to the debugger < 1300107960 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and resume < 1300107967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant! < 1300107970 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving the long-lived debugger with the new feature you need! < 1300107977 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you could even save it to the standard debugger for future use < 1300108000 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I hope to replace all development with successive applications of nested debugging by 2020 < 1300108133 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, oberon's mouse acceleration is far too high < 1300108195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a programming language, not an OS? < 1300108201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do programming languages have mouse acceleration? < 1300108205 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: false dichotomy! < 1300108206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose their standard libraries might < 1300108219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you mean it's a programming language and also an OS, Smalltalk-style? < 1300108233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even then, I tend to mentally separate the two, and do not consider gst to be an abomination, but that's maybe just me) < 1300108263 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am referring to {Oberon (operating system)}, which is based on an implementation of {Oberon (programming language)}; *but* {Oberon (operating system)} is the only existing embodiment of the "Oberon system" that the {Oberon (programming language)} specifies and is designed to be used in < 1300108275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1300108277 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, I'm referring to the {Native Oberon} flavour of {Oberon (operating system)} < 1300108292 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, really, there's little point distinguishing them < 1300108305 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because Unix pretends to be language-agnostic (it's not, see: C), doesn't mean everything does < 1300108324 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(similarly, just because something isn't language-agnostic, doesn't mean it's not language-hostile (see Lisp Machines, which had C compilers)) < 1300108329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does {} introduce an FFI to Wikipedia-style disambig parens? < 1300108335 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does now! < 1300108370 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so right-click drag with insanely high mouse acceleration is the most difficult operation possible on a macbook < 1300108384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using the touchpad or an external mouse? < 1300108388 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touchpad < 1300108394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, do you mean mouse acceleration, or mouse speed? < 1300108401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very high levels of acceleration give you lots of precision on a touchpad < 1300108402 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both, I think < 1300108405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300108405 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to tell when it's so fast < 1300108410 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is a 640x480 window :) < 1300108425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, very high mouse acceleration would mean that if you moved the touchpad slowly, the cursor would move very slowly indeed < 1300108429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to moving it quickly < 1300108486 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, better create a partition before trying to isntall oberon < 1300108487 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*install < 1300108493 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wikipedia page reads like an advertisement < 1300108502 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or, it could go insanely fast when i moved it slowly, and SUPER INSANELY FAST hen i went faster < 1300108698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you couldn't tell if it was accelerated or not < 1300108736 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the standard size of a cylinder these days? :-P < 1300108752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean a hard drive cylinder? < 1300108762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that question was along the same lines as "how long is a piece of string?" < 1300108768 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1300108771 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hd cylinder < 1300108778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1300108786 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no let's pretend i meant it in the other sense < 1300108788 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a far better sense < 1300108813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300108963 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300108968 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to see a self-modifying paintfuck < 1300108971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All CHS addresses are utter lies nowadays anyway, so it's probably not a very relevant number any more. < 1300108975 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a paintfuck that interprets the graphical space as a program somehow < 1300108980 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you set the space up and run it < 1300108984 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be the pretties < 1300108987 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes but fdisk wants me to set one < 1300108993 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of cylinders (1-1048576): < 1300108996 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to let me paaaartition this fake disk < 1300109014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it should OCR the graphical space and interpret it as a PF program < 1300109019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter should, I mean < 1300109029 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1300109033 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i didn't mean just for initial loading though :) < 1300109033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only way to stay within the spirit of PF < 1300109038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300109038 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it reverse-OCR it every step? < 1300109042 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, I'm scared < 1300109051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, every step it OCRs the current playfield, and interprets it as the program < 1300109063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the playfield's initialised with a reverse-OCR (i.e. printout) of the program you give it < 1300109109 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1300109114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why eek? < 1300109120 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that sounds terrifying :) < 1300109166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it surely isn't that bad compared to some of the things #esoteric comes up with? < 1300109190 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, no, but it's still perverse in a unique way of its own < 1300109216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sort of fdisk is this that it can't read the disk geometry from somewhere? < 1300109227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one working on an imaginary drive < 1300109238 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one working on a file that's a bunch of 0s < 1300109241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't actually have any geometry until you define what it is < 1300109242 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for a qemuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1300109250 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qem < 1300109253 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qem\mu < 1300109259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. A "standard" fake-cylinder in pc-ishnowadays is 63*255 sectors (255 fake-heads and 63 sectors per fake-track; about 8 megabytes). < 1300109264 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemµ < 1300109274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ishnow/ish systems is now/ < 1300109297 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 130-or-so cylinders in this. < 1300109300 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 gig) < 1300109334 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 130*63*255*512 < 1300109334 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1069286400 < 1300109339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how many bytes you'd get. < 1300109347 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the largest possible cylinders.) < 1300109350 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLOSE ENOUGH < 1300109380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qe� < 1300109482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, fizzie's nick length is almost exactly the right length (out by one pixel) to make the > to call lambdabot line up with the > to delimit elliott_'s nick < 1300109495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it made me confused as to why lambdabot responded to one but not the other < 1300109500 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ocd much < 1300109500 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-p < 1300109502 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*P < 1300109520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the one pixel difference doesn't bother me, it's just that it's such a small difference I missed it was there < 1300109760 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon oberon, you can boot! < 1300109807 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not evidently < 1300109809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was reading a page on c2 < 1300109815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and noticed it mentioned the LGPL < 1300109826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought "hmm, that's a bit modern for c2 to be referencing, isn't it?" < 1300109838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to work out why I had such an illogical thought < 1300109891 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :wat: < 1300109900 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since much of c2 hasn't been touched in a decade? *exaggeration* < 1300109921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: for some reason I assume it captures computer knowledge from Before Time Began, or something like that < 1300109923 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bitz stuff is out of control < 1300109983 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a time when there were occasional changes being done on C2 wiki < 1300110004 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ok grandpa < 1300110062 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, time to get to school < 1300110465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: can you think of any reason why I'd get 504 errors on the vast majority (but not all) of attempts to submit HTTP POST requests, from one laptop but on more than one Internet connection, and how repeatedly trying until it works makes it work eventually? < 1300110475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of symptoms seems to make no sense to me < 1300110490 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's making demon fly out of your nose, washing the windows api, and the ISS servers are getting all soapy < 1300110494 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*demons < 1300110498 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300110500 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and servers tend to perform worse when soapy < 1300110515 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if they're running on apache, they tend to get bits of soap from them as the iss content disseminates throughout the internet) < 1300110517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, SOAP is famously bad < 1300110518 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1300110614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else have ideas that aren't DS9K-related? < 1300110649 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm offended < 1300110660 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300110979 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300110995 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I think I should actually design an esolang based on fractal circuits. < 1300111101 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: How many billions of unpublished esolangs do you have? < 1300111208 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 esolangs that are "unpublished". I like esolangs that aren't just minor variations of Brainfuck. < 1300111216 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who doesn't? :-) < 1300111226 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just seem to talk about random esolangs you've made that nobody seems to have ever heard of a lot :-P < 1300111270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: strangely, we have a section on that in the paper we're writing right now < 1300111273 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have designed 3 so far (this fractal-circuit based esolang isn't in that). < 1300111273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractal circuits, that is < 1300111292 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractal circuits is something that sounds nice but is probably useless :D < 1300111298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't useless < 1300111302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the usual way to implement a sort in hardware < 1300111305 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1300111325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that so worthy of damnation? < 1300111331 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, all three are turing complete. And this fourth would be too. < 1300111337 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my prediction was wrong! < 1300111347 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "damn" is an incredibly mild utterance no matter what you say :) < 1300111350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to not be TC if a language is at all interesting < 1300111372 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know whether Wapr is turing complete or not. < 1300111382 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *jumping to -1 is exciting < 1300111383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know whether Dupdog is turing complete or not < 1300111387 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it isn't < 1300111387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this log has so much circular logic it hurts <-- haha < 1300111397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: was that proved? < 1300111399 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It hurts because it has so much circular logic. < 1300111406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare to have a language that's non-TC, but not trivially non-TC < 1300111413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ()^: Underload demonstrated < 1300111414 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, not on the wikipedia page, but IIRC oerjan pretty much slam-dunked it once < 1300111421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Esolang, I hope < 1300111424 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1300111433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xigxag's another lang with similar properties < 1300111435 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Jumping_to_-1_is_exciting Quick! Is my badly-specified old esolang TC??? < 1300111437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (the "TABS=8 AND EVERYONE WHO THINKS TABS!=8 EVER IS WRONG" thing; not that he ever gives a decent argument for it, but this was basically like 3 hours of circular argumentation from him in the logs) <-- I think his argument boiled down to it being traditional < 1300111448 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh er < 1300111454 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things after the command chars < 1300111455 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are stack traces < 1300111455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, was someone ohter than me arguing that? < 1300111457 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top first < 1300111462 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not arg params or something < 1300111471 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I just read the log where you spent a few hours dedicated to arguing it :D < 1300111479 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing personal, it just hurt me inside < 1300111486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey Vorpal, does that ick on mac classic thing actually work :) <-- it works but the MPW C compiler fails on some generated programs. IIRC it was due to bugs in the MPW C compiler < 1300111487 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136126.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300111489 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a true logreader never abandons his log. < 1300111502 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1300111511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: where did you download mpw from anyway <-- apple ftp. As a set of 14 or so segmented .img (no not .dmg, that is OS X only) < 1300111519 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, that ftp is down now. < 1300111525 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, MrC is that buggy? aargh < 1300111534 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means I'll have to try and get gcc 2 compiled... < 1300111543 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be so unfun it's hard to even articulate < 1300111581 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I forgot what it failed on < 1300111599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: It hurts because it has so much circular logic. <-- :) < 1300111605 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300111617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway, I did not port it for 68k < 1300111627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh and sheepshaver is too buggy to compile one of the object files < 1300111630 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's the difference < 1300111633 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the toolchain semi-agnostic < 1300111649 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, iirc the compiler switches have rather different names < 1300111660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ick generates command lines for things < 1300111674 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever, I have to get gcc working SOMETIME! < 1300111678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I needed to compile that one object file on my old ibook, then copy it across. < 1300111691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheepshaver crashed on it < 1300111693 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what i can't figure out how to do is how to provide an fopen() with filename translation. < 1300111698 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to shadow the libc's < 1300111700 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then call it < 1300111704 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without dlopen and friends this sounds impossible < 1300111706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I believe I did filename translation in ick < 1300111707 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or inline asm < 1300111709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1300111714 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but not at fopen() level < 1300111717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300111720 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think cygwin, i have to give this to other programs instead of libc < 1300111733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway iirc ick had something like #define PATH_SEP '/' < 1300111735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1300111744 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but nothing else does :D < 1300111751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I had to rewrite some function to not add non-required path separators < 1300111779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, foo//bar is just verbose. but foo::bar is plain wrong < 1300111785 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300111788 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the need for translation < 1300111800 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: amusingly, since translation must handle , you can mix and match! < 1300111807 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop quiz: what does /:x mean? < 1300111822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway where do you plan to run MrC? < 1300111826 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1300111830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300111832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheepshaver? < 1300111836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: the same as x:\ from WIndows, only backwards < 1300111839 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, vMac and Basilisk. < 1300111847 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explicitly want to make sure it works on System Software 6 < 1300111848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh so SC then? not MrC? < 1300111852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so great you used a symmetrical letter there, or the joke wouldn't have worked! < 1300111853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SC is the 68k compiler iirc < 1300111854 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is there another compiler? < 1300111862 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: really, that's just a stopgap measure until I get gcc bootstrapped < 1300111862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes MrC is PPC, SC is 68k < 1300111870 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetBSD can run on them I think < 1300111874 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so gcc is feasible, fsvo feasible < 1300111890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, didn't apple use to cross compile Mac OS from some unix system or such? < 1300111899 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God knows. < 1300111905 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were sane I'd just use A/UX. < 1300111909 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sane. < 1300111916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, isn't A/UX apple's? < 1300111919 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300111920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never tried it < 1300111925 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very good, I gather. < 1300111937 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, if this actually gets working I'm sure I can buy a Macintosh Plus just to see it run :P < 1300111945 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory 1 MB, expandable to 4 MB (150 ns 30-pin SIMM) < 1300111946 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll be fun with gcc < 1300111951 0 :Guest1055!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300111956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway there was this site with "abandonware" for classic mac < 1300111959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember the name < 1300111962 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's several aren't there :D < 1300111962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU ld has a "--wrap" thing for that sort of library-wrapping, which lets you override library functions in such a way that the overriding code can call the original. (I can't be bothered to read all the context to see if that's relevant.) < 1300111965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, had lots < 1300111980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah http://www.macintoshgarden.org/ < 1300111983 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: classic macintosh. < 1300111993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that site has various mpw versions iirc < 1300111997 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you keep talking about GCC too. < 1300111998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and sdks too < 1300112013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, are you aware of how the MPW shell works? < 1300112016 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well that's the GOAL. < 1300112018 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Badly, yes. < 1300112020 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I read the logs. < 1300112023 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I am now an expert. < 1300112032 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe I can avoid MPW entirely by CROSS-COMPILING. < 1300112037 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I doubt cross-compiling would work at all. < 1300112040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and why ick can't call the compiler (I made it an mpw tool) < 1300112046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because that solved stdio issues) < 1300112054 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed; thankfully, whateverit'scalled solves that! < 1300112062 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Who needs the MPW shell when you have Real Authentic Make? < 1300112064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whateverit'scalled is a great name < 1300112074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because of the apostrophe < 1300112076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what are you trying to compile for it? < 1300112080 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Huh? < 1300112081 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, to use --wrap, one must relink the program. < 1300112093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think you may need to implement stdin/out/err by hand < 1300112097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what is your *goal* here < 1300112099 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My current naming scheme has gone something like Unix for Mac -> Uforma -> Euphorma, but I'm not sure where to go from there < 1300112105 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Unix for Mac. < 1300112113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could change the m to an i and get a real word < 1300112119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may or may not be used atm < 1300112119 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed, I noticed < 1300112121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, right. You need to write something like a shell for it < 1300112123 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what's more euphoric than Unix! < 1300112128 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. I'll use bash. < 1300112132 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just like Cygwin does. < 1300112136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what do you run bash in < 1300112141 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In...? < 1300112153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you will need to write a terminal emulator < 1300112153 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I want to be able to double click "Start Euphorma" on my System Software 6 desktop, have it start up a vt100 emulator program, and point it at a pty, on which it starts bash. < 1300112156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I'm saying < 1300112165 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I could maybe even reuse an existing one for the time being *shrug* i.e. telnet client < 1300112171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes maybe < 1300112186 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But that's a trivial problem compared to all the huge ones :P < 1300112189 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For instance: cooperative multitasking. < 1300112207 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Current plan is just "whenever we get control from the program, YIELD, and if it does for (;;); that's not our problem". < 1300112220 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you could set up some kind of timer interrupt and then cause it to yield or something, that would be an option too. < 1300112235 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course in old System Software versions all Unix software will stop when you tab away. < 1300112258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300112260 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In a way, it'll be a hosted microkernel plus a POSIX libc. < 1300112263 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300112272 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hosted microkernel to handle taskswitching, POSIX libc to wrap the existing libc and add Unix functions. < 1300112280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how long before you give this project up do you think? < 1300112287 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not long! But it's fun to think about now. < 1300112296 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should learn the Macintosh Toolbox. < 1300112305 0 :Guest1055!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-71-250.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300112313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I have no idea about that. I know it exists... That is about all < 1300112319 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the API. < 1300112319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, wasn't it 68k only? < 1300112321 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's Pascal. < 1300112322 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1300112323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in PPC used something else < 1300112354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, in the version of MPW I have, Pascal seems to be treated like a second class citizen. < 1300112364 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yah, but the APIs are all Pascal. < 1300112370 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you can say "\pxyz" in MPW to get a Pascal string. < 1300112384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I'm fairly sure you need an older one to make it run on 68k. As in last MPW won't < 1300112417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be wrong though < 1300112441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, also did 68k have MMUs? < 1300112445 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Of course, MPW 3 was the last I think. < 1300112452 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like I said, I can't rely on MPW for too long :P < 1300112454 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No MMU. < 1300112456 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But an MMU is irrelevant. < 1300112458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They used to cross-develop Mac OS stuff from Lisa. < 1300112463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fun < 1300112469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: how are you planning to implement alarm()? < 1300112484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't even do non-coop multitasking, then that should be near-impossible < 1300112488 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Does the 68k have timer interrupts? :p < 1300112500 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must do, since Mac OS 9 did mostly preemptive multithreading. < 1300112504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, nor whether you can hook them without doing inline asm or whatever < 1300112507 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll just use that. < 1300112526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think my new esolang I'm mulling over atm will have both pre-emptive and cooperative multithreading, because < 1300112560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It must do, since Mac OS 9 did mostly preemptive multithreading. <-- wasn't OS 8.something the last to run on 68k < 1300112561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processors in general tend to have just "interrupts", it's up to the surrounding hardware to cause them using timers. < 1300112581 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300112582 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh right. < 1300112585 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yesyesyes < 1300112588 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired, i bbreviate < 1300112596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, actually OS 9 did preemptive but with one task doing most of the job. That task internally doing cooperative < 1300112597 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i could get the fpu to divide by zero at JUST the right moment < 1300112604 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah... < 1300112608 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was like the other way around < 1300112615 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooperative at the top layer, and main task doing preempting < 1300112615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you had to call this main task for stuff like file system and what not even < 1300112631 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, so in practise it wasn't preemptive in any useful sense < 1300112632 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, i need to run on 68k. < 1300112635 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not impressive if I can't! < 1300112666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cooperative at the top layer, and main task doing preempting <-- except the top layer being thicker than the main layer < 1300112687 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300112704 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe i could get the fpu to divide by zero at JUST the right moment < 1300112706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote maybe i could get the fpu to divide by zero at JUST the right moment < 1300112706 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the best idea ever < 1300112715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I was addquoting it even before you requoted it yourself < 1300112715 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, as far as I remember about the only useful API for "native preemptive tasks" (called "blue tasks" iirc!) that didn't call the cooperative code was memory allocation < 1300112739 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloo tasqs < 1300112740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think insightful's better than funny for qdbs < 1300112741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure a 68k mac would have timer interrupts, but hooking into them would most likely be rather undocumented and kludgy. < 1300112758 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this whole idea is pretty much undocumented and kludgy. < 1300112766 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's great! < 1300112767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, quite. < 1300112776 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main priority is getting MPW 3 anyway :P < 1300112781 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking that site now < 1300112782 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, codewarrior 6 < 1300112783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wouldn't the CPU have internal timers? < 1300112789 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait.. not a SOC < 1300112806 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine 68k's inability to support good preemptive multitasking drove the switch away partly. < 1300112815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised I never done really low level coding for anything except SOCs. < 1300112817 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, _I_ am not constrained by requirements of goodness < 1300112832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, also the memory limit I bet < 1300112834 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: write a boot sector, it's easy and you can say you've done it :P < 1300112837 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, the memory limit < 1300112840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hell no :P < 1300112845 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 8 megs is plenty, and that's just 24-bit system 6 limit! < 1300112865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, fun thing about Mac OS. The OS could move memory around under you < 1300112866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :68k can run Linux just fine (for some values of "fine", anyway...), so there's nothing unfixably wrong in the hardware. < 1300112869 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-common-lisp-20 :D MCL < 1300112876 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right, and also NetBSD. < 1300112879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you had these kind of handles, and you needed to go through them < 1300112882 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a lot of stuff < 1300112884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of *course* it runs NetBSD. < 1300112894 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And thankfully old Mac OS pretty much let you take over everything, so... < 1300112901 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://craftbook.sk89q.com/wiki/Perlstone seems to qualify as a "practical" esolang < 1300112903 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for gc, obviously! < 1300112905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, since there was not MMU it couldn't use virtual memory to patch up address space, so it had to move stuff around under you < 1300112912 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Scared to click. < 1300112914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes kind of gc yes < 1300112922 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: lol, "The language was designed and the interpreter written by Lymia." < 1300112925 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hello < 1300112925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, but more kind of ghetto virtual memory :P < 1300112933 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yeah, I just started to play Minecraft very recently) < 1300112941 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ugh < 1300112958 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, the koreans have found another game ending in "craft" < 1300112962 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the esoteric nature is intentional, right? :p < 1300112965 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now nothing can stop a global economic meltdown :( < 1300112972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what? < 1300112976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/68k-virtual-memory ← also one of the best solutions ever. < 1300112985 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: no, MC was popular since 2010 in Korea :p < 1300112986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Korean MMO crazes mostly stayed confined to (South) Korea < 1300112989 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dem Koreans are known for their... fondness of Starcraft :P < 1300112997 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lifthrasiir is Korean, unless I'm seriously mistaken < 1300113003 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was very lazy compared to my friends... < 1300113004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did macs use the original 68000 or? < 1300113011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh okay < 1300113012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not the whole world that's doomed, just South Korea < 1300113012 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :late* < 1300113033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that people voluntarily install rootkits over there to "prove" they aren't cheating in online games... < 1300113040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Early models, yes. < 1300113058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I suppose is actually a sensible idea if you trust the game manufacturer < 1300113071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I heard that story you linked before, but what I never understood why they went to that length to solve it. Why not just use a different CPU? < 1300113084 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: afaik it is rather involuntarily, but that sounds plausible < 1300113085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac II seems to be 68020-based already. < 1300113096 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1300113105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: well, when the alternative is not running the game < 1300113107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: seriously? < 1300113117 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an account forgery is quite a problem nowadays < 1300113123 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs virtual memory < 1300113125 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mmu < 1300113126 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything < 1300113129 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix doesn't need that! < 1300113133 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, it's not the whole world that's doomed, just South Korea < 1300113136 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the manufacturing! < 1300113153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, true but I remember having to reboot mac os due to buggy programs many times < 1300113161 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah but gnu coders are perfect. < 1300113164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, har < 1300113187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway, I had MacBugs (or whatever the spelling was... MacsBug?) < 1300113205 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macsbug < 1300113210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and I seen it say "Unable to Find System Heap. Heap list corrupted" or some such < 1300113216 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that is why you want an MMU :P < 1300113248 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs debugging... < 1300113251 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't write bad code < 1300113251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, remember the FS wasn't journaling either :P < 1300113267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh I could debug. I just couldn't kill the app. Had to reboot. < 1300113276 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's instant anyway < 1300113295 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1300113298 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple smalltalk 80 :D < 1300113311 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, euphorma cancelled, perfect os discovered < 1300113314 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1300113316 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well that was OS 9, so not quite. < 1300113323 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. one of the bad ones < 1300113347 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archived (171.17 MB) < 1300113347 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temporarily unavailable due to high bandwidth costs < 1300113347 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--mpw < 1300113349 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1300113357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well anyway System 7 didn't boot instantly on hardware available when System 7 was new < 1300113363 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: system 6 did. < 1300113372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, possibly. Don't remember that. < 1300113380 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not possibly, definitely :) < 1300113381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what OS did Classic run? < 1300113387 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1300113388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in Macintosh Classic < 1300113391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an apple model < 1300113392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it 6? < 1300113395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or older? < 1300113425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, when I was small my dad had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Classic < 1300113429 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh < 1300113431 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1300113437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah 6 it says < 1300113440 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Classic used the System 6.0.7 operating system with support for all versions up to System 7.5.5. A hidden Hierarchical File System (HFS) disk volume contained in the read-only memory (ROM) included System 6.0.3.[17] The Mac Classic could be booted into System 6.0.3 by holding down the Command + Option + X + O keys during boot.[17] < 1300113441 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300113450 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Plus was what debut'ddd 6 < 1300113464 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hidden rom? < 1300113469 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows < 1300113473 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for recoevry? < 1300113474 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recovery. < 1300113487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why not use the OS included originally then (6.0.7) < 1300113490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recovery was my guess when I saw that < 1300113499 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: god knows; not available when that part was being designed? < 1300113500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably because 6.0.3 was known not-fatally-buggy, 6.0.7 wasn't < 1300113501 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not tested yet? < 1300113503 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300113507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300113540 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm learning Objective-C and my friend have a real Macintosh IIci, that uses a Mac System 7(specifically 7.5.5 with a 68k processor) and I've installed Metrowerks C/C++ IDE(I think it's the version 1, but I don't know), but i didn't tested it, then i want to know one thing: It's possible to develop in Objective-C using NSObjects/Objects and AppKit or something like this on it? Thanks. < 1300113540 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1300113541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 MHz heh < 1300113543 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--stack overfail < 1300113578 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, you've used compilers that support 16-bit archs, right? < 1300113578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, also Apple likes to reuse product names < 1300113581 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any that might do m68k? :p < 1300113594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1300113595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Classic featured several improvements over the Macintosh Plus, which it replaced as Apple's low-end Mac computer: it was up to 25 percent faster than the Plus and included an Apple SuperDrive 3.5" floppy disk drive as standard.[16] The SuperDrive could read and write to Macintosh, MS-DOS, OS/2, and ProDOS disks." < 1300113601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite having used them, I didn't really understand how they worked < 1300113614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, SuperDrive. Wasn't that Apple's DVD-RAM drive during the G3/G4 era? < 1300113625 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it aws a flopy drive < 1300113628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more on the "run the command and hope" level, like I'm currently at with Marst < 1300113638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, as well < 1300113648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, they reused the trademark is what I'm saying < 1300113662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia agrees < 1300113665 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inded < 1300113667 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eed. < 1300113669 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key repeat sucks. < 1300113694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, lack of in this case? < 1300113700 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just takes too long. < 1300113709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, wait you mean *that* key repeat? < 1300113710 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Installing binutils and GCC as cross-compiler for the Motorolla 68000" < 1300113711 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wjw < 1300113715 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people use it to type? < 1300113719 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1300113720 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1300113722 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i'm this tired < 1300113724 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tap e twice < 1300113728 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just sortal inger on the e key < 1300113730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are tired. Okay < 1300113731 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't really work < 1300113742 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait since when does m68k be supported by... < 1300113745 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is m68k 32-bit? < 1300113750 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is. < 1300113751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue < 1300113753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I didn't realise it was possible to be so tired that you couldn't press a given key twice in a row < 1300113756 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so gcc supports it! < 1300113759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I recommend sleeping, in such cases < 1300113759 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m68k-coff, for one < 1300113767 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at 2 pm? that would be unwise < 1300113776 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my brain's still awake, mostly, it's just everything else that's being stupid < 1300113782 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this is almost always true) < 1300113786 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC is what Linux/m68k runs on. < 1300113798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you need sleep then < 1300113800 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeeees, but I'm trying to produce Mack-in-tosh boonaries here. < 1300113806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I tend to be sufficiently bad at sleeping at will, that when I do sleep, it's often at arbitrary times of day < 1300113808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GCC is what Linux/m68k runs on. <-- wait what < 1300113813 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what the executable format is. :p < 1300113815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux/m68k runs on GCC? < 1300113824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when was GCC an OS or such < 1300113826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: That's just a binutils issue. < 1300113832 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "just" < 1300113833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is based on. < 1300113845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "is compiled with"? < 1300113854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is gcc turing-complete? < 1300113858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1300113861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the compiler itself, rather than the executables it produces < 1300113870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(adjust for infinite memory) < 1300113875 0 :Guest1055!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahah < 1300113880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, obviously, C++ templates < 1300113883 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know what format 68k binaries are? :P < 1300113884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about just the C part? < 1300113885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then we first need to define what it executes. Command line options? < 1300113886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The m68k is also what you might call "moderately 32-bit"; the address bus is just 24 bits (at least in 680N0 with small N). < 1300113890 0 :Guest1055!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a captcha with "pi-calculus" < 1300113893 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest1055: hello slereheareareareareareah < 1300113894 0 :Guest1055!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With like, an actual pi < 1300113900 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reearearafreaeereearreeearaerarareera < 1300113902 0 :Guest1055!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1300113906 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Indeed, but. < 1300113909 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Close enough for gcc! < 1300113915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: did you type it? < 1300113918 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1300113924 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just switched to another one < 1300113927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, by that token x86-64 is "moderately 64-bit". 48 bits isn't it? < 1300113936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: http://zem.fi/~fis/faircaptcha.png < 1300113941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and physical bus tends to be between 36 and 42 or so < 1300113945 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that one yeah < 1300113947 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: \pi-calculus < 1300113951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably more for server CPUs) < 1300113952 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1300113964 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is inglip's commad. < 1300113965 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*command. < 1300113966 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the problem of using captchas as OCRs < 1300113993 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well system 7 had more than 24-bit < 1300113996 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at leassttstst < 1300114010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Slereah: http://zem.fi/~fis/faircaptcha.png <-- did you enter the TeX code? < 1300114059 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go into #macintosh < 1300114060 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ask < 1300114063 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is cyrilic even in basic latex? < 1300114070 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what executable format did 68k macintosh system software use < 1300114075 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and watch the blank stares < 1300114082 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the answer is obvious, and it is yes < 1300114090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Seems that 68020 and later ones had a full 32-bit address bus. (Discounting the el-cheapo model 68EC020.) < 1300114104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was a comment form and I didn't have anything to say, so no. < 1300114121 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TYPICAL FINN ANTISOCIALITY < 1300114138 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oops"; accidentally typed #minecraft instead. < 1300114139 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had those 68k/ppc "fat binaries" even back then, like they have ppc/x86 now. < 1300114141 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expect TkTech in 3, 2, 1... < 1300114152 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Now"; not really any more :P < 1300114215 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1300114217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300114217 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300114321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha i have bamboozled them iwth the complexiti of my questionssodifj < 1300114321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1300114337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old executable format seems to be called PEF, and according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferred_Executable_Format it's co-used by BeOS on PPC. < 1300114355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least the "fat binary" m68k/ppc one. < 1300114359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what executable format did 68k macintosh system software use <-- what one did it use? < 1300114367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might well be that thin binaries used something completely different. < 1300114368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So... anybody happen to know what executable format 68k Mac OS used? < 1300114368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't recall what its name was, but it involved pieces of code stored as individual resources in the app's resource fork < 1300114368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, that sounds pleasant. I was hoping it'd be something I could coerce binutils into generating with only mild pain. Naive of me. < 1300114373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Something terrifying. < 1300114381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right PEF. I think I saw that somewhere. < 1300114386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes the CODE resource I think < 1300114413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey there was a "plugin" to resedit that added a disassembler for CODE resources < 1300114415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that < 1300114428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, now tell me how to make them from outside Macq :P < 1300114439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to handle resource fork < 1300114442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is tricky < 1300114461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I suggest generating a MacBinary or .hqx file as compiler output, then unpacking that on a mac < 1300114462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300114483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway even PPC apps relied quite a bit on the resource fork to work < 1300114495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the actual code was IIRC in the data fork then < 1300114524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1300114542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically i don't even wanna generate apps i think < 1300114546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't want them to spawn gui crap < 1300114547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the resedit disasemmbler was quite nice. It could follow jumps when you clicked on jump or call instructions < 1300114554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also backtrack any jumps to a specific line < 1300114557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, @ can do that. < 1300114563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was a fun setup, code would be split into many resources and this was used as a primitive form of swap < 1300114565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm scared < 1300114573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1300114583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you need one app that you run to start this thingy < 1300114604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course. i was thinking that one would be the EuphormaKernel < 1300114611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other would just be EuphormaTerm < 1300114616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Start Euphorma" would just open both < 1300114629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1300114636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the terminal would have to pass control to the kernel. < 1300114636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun. < 1300114637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, two? IPC? < 1300114638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1300114648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, have some file format documentation (disclaimer: it might only have the m68k XCOFF object file format docs): http://mirrors.vanadac.com/ftp.apple.com/developer/Tool_Chest/Core_Mac_OS_Tools/MPW_etc./Documentation/MPW_Reference/File_Formats.sit.hqx < 1300114649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: err, because all the terminal does is a pty thing? < 1300114650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1300114654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i could make the unix thing a library < 1300114657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and remember you can only start one instance of an app < 1300114658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compile it into the terminal < 1300114667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah you need to do the programs inside differently < 1300114670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that XCOFF thing, can i use it without worrying about all these forks? < 1300114700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the object files are rather forkless, but not really sure. < 1300114702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you *need* resource fork for the kernel/terminal bit though. Or at least for some type of launcher < 1300114706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1300114713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So the only problem there is STARTING them :) < 1300114714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also you can't run an object file < 1300114716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1300114718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I get a launcher < 1300114720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300114724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need _some_ kind of linkage < 1300114726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's not an app < 1300114730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The only "application" could be a MPW-built thing that just jumps into otherwise-generated code. < 1300114738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true. < 1300114747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This is getting EXTRAORDINARILY like a kernel :P < 1300114749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway even mpw tools won't work without their resource fork < 1300114754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So yeah, you open object file sand jump to them and ..." < 1300114756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*files and < 1300114758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why the ick mac port was such a pita < 1300114764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you know the .img format? < 1300114779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they have resource forks that are vital for the image to be mountable < 1300114783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to .bin them < 1300114786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to transport them < 1300114796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still .img.bin is fairly reliable < 1300114796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely < 1300114799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than .sit anyway < 1300114801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder* < 1300114824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw mac os 8 in basilisk ii = so crashy < 1300114834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can imagine. OS 7 is crashy too < 1300114837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want a stable emulator that lets me have a big resolution :( < 1300114840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was emulator bugs < 1300114842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99% sure < 1300114886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's even some XCOFF support in binutils. (It was used in AIX by IBM too.) < 1300114895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I decided to port ick (instead of something else) for a good reason < 1300114899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So I should compile a gcc for XCOFF, yah? < 1300114905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I already knew ick was portable to hell and back < 1300114906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m68k-xcoff. < 1300114920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus figuring it wouldn't be too much work (still was quite a bit) < 1300114923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I should jump right into gcc 2 so I know what horrors await me in the future. < 1300114939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Alsoalso, that vandac thing isn't loading now. < 1300114960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the PPC executable format called now again < 1300114964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1300114968 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it might be borderline possible, anyway; I wouldn't expect it to *work*. And I would be rather surprised if MPW would bother linking with gcc-generated xcoff objects. < 1300114972 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You mean PEF? < 1300114997 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300115000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: AFAICT MPW will be the hacky-libc and the kernel, and gcc will be all the apps. < 1300115003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wasn't that for 68k? < 1300115008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, gcc 1.21 is available. < 1300115010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circa 1988. < 1300115012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, PPC used a different one that 68k I know < 1300115021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it's mostly a PPC format, though it also does m68k/PPC fat binaries. < 1300115021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/sourceware.org/pub/gcc/old-releases/gcc-1/gcc-1.21.tar.bz2 < 1300115031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes fat binaries is yet another thing < 1300115047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but I'm 99% sure that PPC and 68k used different binary formats for "applications" < 1300115055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in they had different names < 1300115095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, PEF is what OS X still runs on PPC Macs, "However, PEF is still supported on PowerPC-based Macintoshes and is used by some Carbon applications ported from earlier Mac OS versions", so the older x86-only format probably is something else. < 1300115098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know what. < 1300115111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, gcc 2 is luxury < 1300115116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a configure and everything < 1300115121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, x86?! < 1300115132 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/x86/m68/ < 1300115134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300115141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, and I don't even have elliott's no-sleep excuse here. < 1300115146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --build=BUILD configure for building on BUILD [BUILD=HOST] < 1300115146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --host=HOST configure for HOST [determined via config.guess] < 1300115147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh." < 1300115149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No target support? < 1300115168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configuring for a x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu host. < 1300115168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized < 1300115168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized < 1300115168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized host system name x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu. < 1300115170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl, not 2.95then < 1300115173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2.95 then < 1300115180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt recent 4 versions support m68k-xcoff :) < 1300115187 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amiga's m68k executable format was "Hunk", and of course OS-X uses "Mach-O"... is it just me, or are all these formats pretty masculine? (Well, discounting ELF...) < 1300115276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about COFF? PE? < 1300115295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coughing and peeing. < 1300115296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The binary format support probably depends more on binutils/libbfd-or-what-was-it-called; might be possible to mix-n-match versions. < 1300115297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The manliest of acts. < 1300115302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300115312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gcc 2 gave up when it saw that I was this strange "x86_64" beast. < 1300115314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, *up to a point* < 1300115315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ELF is the best format :P < 1300115317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gcc 3 will do just fine. :p < 1300115327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I draw the line at 4, no way am I going to use 4. < 1300115335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's waaaaaaaay too detached from anything I could ever run on the actual machine ever :P < 1300115340 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: At some point there were ports of GCC2 to x86_64, they're just wildly nonstandard. < 1300115348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELF is fairly sane for a *nix like system. < 1300115361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's kinda irrelevant because this is just a bootstrapping anyway :P < 1300115367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much overhead for old limited machines though < 1300115372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A really complicated bootstrapping involving multiple compilers and writing a userspace Unix kernel. < 1300115387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, he is going to run on a MMU-less 68k system. ELF is just wasted there < 1300115390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Unless you think Microcosm could be made to work on a 68k Macintosh ... < 1300115405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, ELF would be a tremendous waste of time here :P < 1300115419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, COM++ (like .COM, but with moar space!) would do fine X-D < 1300115485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, --target=m68k-xcoff is what I want, right? < 1300115485 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1300115490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crosscompiling lingo confuses me < 1300115493 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that COFF and PE are mutually exclusive? < 1300115500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would suggest a custom format unless that is too much work. Something like a header with a magic byte and some offsets then just two sections following: code, data. Header should contain a .bss style segment size as well (but that won't be in binary of course) < 1300115512 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a physiological mechanism in our bodies that disables us from coughing/sneezing, and at the same time peeing. < 1300115517 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@afrodite.ceid.upatras.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300115520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably, yeah. < 1300115534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...I would still like it if Unix programs could theoretically call the Toolbox, though :P < 1300115537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since you don't have MMU you want relocatable code btw. Otherwise running two copies of the same program would be painful < 1300115540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want something closer to Cygwin, not coLinux. < 1300115553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ughh, relocatable code. < 1300115558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and uh, self modifying code would be a pain < 1300115566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's my relocatable code format. < 1300115570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the start, there's a list of memory locations. < 1300115585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever you load the file, you increment the values in all those memory locations of the program image by the base you loaded it at. < 1300115594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assembler handles the hard part of figuring out what's an address or not < 1300115595 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1300115595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TADAAAA < 1300115598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, ELF is kinda useless for that, just use a.out. < 1300115599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sounds like .dll < 1300115607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: a.out? Even that's a bit much < 1300115609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.out is just .COM but less stupid. < 1300115620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has segments and relocations and tables :P < 1300115622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hell you need some way to handle conflicting addresses. With no mmu, loading things that want to be at the same place would be a pain < 1300115632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: thus why relocatable code < 1300115639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a.out is just .COM without wasting space for zeros. < 1300115645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Touché :P < 1300115648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know if you can do PC relative addressing on that thing but I doubt it < 1300115654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST GONNA ASSUME THAT --TARGET= IS THE RIGHT THING < 1300115657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Thus load-time code rewriting. < 1300115667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you are doing PE basically? < 1300115669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In fact... < 1300115674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You could do it without a big table of addresses. < 1300115684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If I know which opcodes have addresses in their Nth position, < 1300115688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can just do it to the whole code segment. < 1300115708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, I need to compile binutils, don't I < 1300115711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, won't work without a separate .rodata segment. Otherwise you can't tell code from embedded read only code < 1300115716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rer < 1300115717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err* < 1300115719 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read only data* < 1300115727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't allow embedded read-only data! < 1300115737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which would break stuff :P < 1300115743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only bad stuff. < 1300115766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you want to share read only code/data, your address space is tiny remember < 1300115773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 8 MiB is not tiny. < 1300115780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Mio < 1300115783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite make out what form that xcoff supports in current binutils takes, it seems a bit AIX-specific... anyway, binutils 2.20 build with --target=m68k-coff starts all right but then dies with "This target is no longer supported in gas"; so at least that's not a good version to use. < 1300115783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, tail recursion is so hard in call-by-name < 1300115791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about in call-by-push-value? < 1300115794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, implementing it is trivial, but writing programs that are actually tail-recursive is tricky < 1300115799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ffff < 1300115809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't looked into the exact details of that, but I think it's just Underload-style < 1300115812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nobody likes this, do they < 1300115812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2.20 is of course extra-new.) < 1300115822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so transforms to and from call-by-name with about equal difficulty both ways < 1300115833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you have first-class functions, which you always do in computer science < 1300115858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Think 2.15 might work? May 2004. You have the inchoowishion for these things. < 1300115894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue whatsoever; binutils documentation is horrible in that it doesn't really tell anything about supported formats. < 1300115915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I can glean from the manual is that at least 68k in general is still there. :p < 1300115963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't change log list dropped targets? < 1300116047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Deewiant's antislowpoke attempt also beats allegro < 1300116055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that is impressively crazy < 1300116057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Validation! < 1300116065 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an uClinux build of m68k-coff-gcc-2.7.2.3; that's at least right processor architecture and object file format family. < 1300116085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which involves some sort of saner-than-MPW compiler for compiling the actual programs, so... < 1300116085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But hey, how hard can loading a.out be? < 1300116085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this hard: |------------------O---| < 1300116092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity it doesn't beat FFPSG too, that would have been hilarious < 1300116099 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I complained about that when I submitted it :-P < 1300116105 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300116120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can just translate coff to xcoff; it's just one character more, how hard could it be? < 1300116133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did A/UX run under MacOS? < 1300116142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or separately? < 1300116142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was a separate Os that had Mac OS inside it sort of. < 1300116144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH < 1300116150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sounds scary < 1300116157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, yes < 1300116168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to read up on it to remember, but IIRC base a.out has no relocations ... there were extensions in various BSDs that did. < 1300116176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So er what *is* this xcoff thing like? < 1300116185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it's improved and expanded. < 1300116188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like bloat to me. < 1300116188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[XCOFF, for "eXtended COFF", is an improved and expanded version of the COFF object file format defined by IBM and used in AIX. Early versions of the PowerPC Macintosh also supported XCOFF, as did BeOS.]] < 1300116194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, so 68k doesn't actually use it :P < 1300116204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, MPW does. < 1300116208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does? < 1300116213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've heard, anyway. < 1300116215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, a.out is pretty damn tempting at this point... < 1300116219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: MPW does PPC too, though. < 1300116229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't ask me. I only really looked at the PPC stuff < 1300116232 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have segments though, yeah. < 1300116257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but yeah I think it says XCOFF on the file icon for ppc objects < 1300116263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but something else on the 68k ones < 1300116276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it *is* the "Common Object File Format", mostly platform-agnostic. < 1300116288 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300116305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I step back and just get COFF and then make it relocatable... hooray, PE :-P < 1300116314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm like 90% sure a.out is simpler than PE. < 1300116322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where is the 68K object file format documented? < 1300116322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the "MPW 68K Object File Format" document (download)." < 1300116332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah, it has relocations only for .o files :P < 1300116333 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Looked it up) < 1300116341 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.out is way simpler than PE. < 1300116342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "download" link is to the File_Formats.sit.hqx. < 1300116352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun to unpack < 1300116358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's easy then. < 1300116359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe they used their own custom format for m68k objects, then. < 1300116360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Programs are .o. < 1300116370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Programs are .o with all their library functions mixed in. < 1300116381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if the link works (and you paste it) I could fire up sheepshaver to unpack it < 1300116382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is .o. some sort of smiley? < 1300116382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alternatively: Programs are .o, and I give them a pointer to the shared libc space X-D < 1300116411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The mirror worked earlier today, but now it seems to be gone. Probably due all this excitement. < 1300116422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mmkay < 1300116426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still disappointed that MPW used file extensions. < 1300116437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic Mac OS is meant to be UNCOMPROMISINGLY Maccy! < 1300116454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, they should have renamed stdio.h to "Standard I/O" in the Headers folder. < 1300116494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just called it stdio.h in the program itself < 1300116503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, no, you should have to write it < 1300116506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1300116507 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha ais < 1300116513 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Include < 1300116522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(neither C89 nor C99 requires any sensible mapping from what you write in #include lines to what the file is called, or even if it's implemented via header file at all) < 1300116524 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, you don't want a hash.. you would want something more self-explanatory < 1300116526 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as < 1300116530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And of course you can't have a header and a source file named the same in the same directory, so you end up having Headers and Sources folders in every project. < 1300116542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the filetype codes are lovingly set. < 1300116550 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Compiler, please include the library called ,,Standard I/O´´ < 1300116564 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it would compile < 1300116706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait idea! Do this in HyperCard < 1300116712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Perfect. < 1300116756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, binutils-2.11.2 has an include/mpw/ directory with a README saying "This is a collection of include files that help imitate Posix in MPW." < 1300116798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anything interesting in there? < 1300116800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork() < 1300116800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that's for; perhaps for building binutils with MPW, then. < 1300116800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300116839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is there any files other than that README in there? < 1300116839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be mostly about reading and writing files. < 1300116853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it does "#define LOSING_TOTALLY", accurately enough. < 1300116862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1300116893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1300116912 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which type of 68k object files are you interested in < 1300116916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seem to be a lot < 1300116925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whatever's easiest to relocate and jump to. < 1300116929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what CFM64KLibraries is < 1300116933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also it'd be nice if it worked with PPC too. < 1300116938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "most" object formats are architecture-independent. < 1300116945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need fat binraies. < 1300116946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*binaries. < 1300116968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the icon for these look like a document symbol with ones and zeros on it < 1300116985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey CLib881.far.o < 1300116989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds fun < 1300116990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far out man < 1300117035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then there is the folder PLibraries. Since the other were in CLibraries I guess PLibraries is pascal < 1300117053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So did you see any Toolbox docs on that ftp that's now down? < 1300117057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the PPC one says 100\nXCOFF\n011 on them < 1300117061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those will probably be invaluable. I don't even know how to spawn a process! < 1300117066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with the middle line in red and the first and last in blue < 1300117069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe I'll just use a.out for both. < 1300117077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This thing is becoming SUCH a kernel :P < 1300117089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1300117110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got sidetracked looking at this binutils-2.11.2 tarball. Back then it seems to have this whole thing for supporting building the whole set with MPW. Mostly in order to use a PPC-targeting GCC there. < 1300117118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In that you can't do anything with its files without starting and running the whole kernel. < 1300117122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the kernel is intimately tied to the formats. < 1300117141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I'm not sure MPW uses file extension that much. Both foo.o and foo.c.x seem style naming of XCOFF files seems to be in use < 1300117161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also .c.o seems to be 68k object file in that case < 1300117164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that may be why < 1300117182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./configure --target=m68k-aout --prefix=/opt/mac < 1300117184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it succeeds. < 1300117189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(binutils 2.15) < 1300117239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even compiling! < 1300117242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: At least you can then use the raw-binary formats (and maybe a custom linker script) to extract raw m68k code you can then wrap in whatever you like. < 1300117253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ye-es, but I could do that with the Totally Native Fork format, too. < 1300117257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to avoid MORE work here :P < 1300117263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where does that dump data segment? < 1300117291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how are you going to transport a resource fork to a mac after cross compiling? < 1300117302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Exactly, I'm not. < 1300117304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to use a.out. :p < 1300117318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the fork data format even documented? < 1300117342 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My department's web page added a "featured faculty member" to the front page. < 1300117345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It chooses a random faculty member and shows their name and face. < 1300117345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much fail. < 1300117367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It dumps the sections in whichever addresses you link them. I don't know if it actually generates huge files if you link things sparsely. < 1300117392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -D_GNU_SOURCE -I. -I. -I../bfd -I./config -I./../include -I./.. -I./../bfd -I./../intl -I../intl -DLOCALEDIR="\"/opt/mac/share/locale\"" -W -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -g -O2 -c app.c < 1300117392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In file included from ./targ-cpu.h:1, < 1300117392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from ./config/obj-aout.h:25, < 1300117392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from ./obj-format.h:1, < 1300117393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from ./config/te-generic.h:19, < 1300117395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from targ-env.h:1, < 1300117397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from as.h:626, < 1300117399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from app.c:30: < 1300117401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./config/tc-m68k.h:212: error: array type has incomplete element type < 1300117403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On "make install". < 1300117405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh." < 1300117414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any... suggestions? < 1300117421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fix the bug." < 1300117421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--target= is right, right? :-P < 1300117424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey you can click a line in the resedit disassembler and find any references to that address < 1300117427 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1300117435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it shows with nicely coloured arrows < 1300117437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I'm on A, I want to build a compiler that runs on A, and I want it to produce binaries for B < 1300117439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's --target=? < 1300117445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for stuff like conditional/unconditional jumps < 1300117447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that sounds correct. < 1300117456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mrf. < 1300117473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What was that nice version you mentioned? < 1300117476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Time to go catch the bus homewards.) < 1300117478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all the suppooooooort. < 1300117499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m68k-coff-gcc-2.7.2.3 in the context of uClinux I did see. < 1300117510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was 11 or something < 1300117527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, binutils. < 1300117528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.11.2? < 1300117537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, grep log? < 1300117537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.11.2, yes; but it was support for compiling binutils with MPW. < 1300117542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he is going to a bus < 1300117545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that sounds suitable 2001-vintage. < 1300117549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The system bus? < 1300117557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt it < 1300117558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can try; but it seemed quite powerpc-oriented in the docs. < 1300117572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It'll be just the same, it's just tahat older = nicerrrr!!!11 < 1300117577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont wanna build it with mpw no heavens i am not the crazies. < 1300117585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if gcc-2.7.2.3 compiles as m68k-coff, the same age might work for m68k-aout. < 1300117591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now really, gone. < 1300117645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you made me want to replay Avernum < 1300117651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I don't have time for that < 1300117664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have fun!!!! < 1300117680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I will refrain from it. That would be several days of playing. < 1300117702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :play it on Euphoma. < 1300117711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that doesn't make sense < 1300117718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it runs under mac os, not unix < 1300117719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it does. < 1300117724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euphoma can invoke native programs. < 1300117726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also it is PPC < 1300117735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euphoma is meant to be portable :P < 1300117744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that work on 68k should work on PPC, I'm just going lowest-common-denominator here to start with. < 1300117806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bucomm.o: In function `make_tempname': < 1300117806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/mac/src/binutils-2.11.2/binutils/bucomm.c:246: warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp' or `mkdtemp' < 1300117809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOES INSECURE BINUTILS < 1300117818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAME ERROR < 1300117818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAME < 1300117820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1300117850 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Things that work on 68k should work on PPC, I'm just going lowest-common-denominator here to start with. <-- best logic ever < 1300117866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's basically true, the m68k is retarded, PPC is not :-P < 1300117879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every technique or format I choose for m68k out of simplicity will work on PPC, as wasteful or stupid as it might be. < 1300117897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extern struct relax_type md_relax_table[]; < 1300117899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCOMPLETE ELEMTNT TYPE < 1300117900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO SHIT SHERLOCK < 1300117907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so, this shit doesn't work with gcc 4 X-D < 1300117931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, apple added emulation for 68k basically :P < 1300117945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so yes it should work on ppc macs < 1300117968 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I assumed he meant work as in be convertible, not work as in "I can run it in a VM herp durp" < 1300117977 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since unlike him, I assume people aren't idiots. < 1300118004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: An assumption that has cost you a great amount. < 1300118005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, classic MacOS is retarded because they didn't want to break compatibility :P < 1300118010 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300118015 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so bad design choices stayed < 1300118022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: For instance when Bush won, that must have been quite surprising. < 1300118030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what < 1300118040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk sense < 1300118057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Since unlike him, I assume people aren't idiots. < 1300118083 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300118095 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let me put that differently :P < 1300118102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I address people under the assumption that they are not idiots. < 1300118116 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spite of whatever my personal assumptions or guesses may be, contrary or otherwise. < 1300118133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If m68k is retarded, 8086 is some sort of ultra-retarded then. (In other words, diss on the OS/systems, not on the cpu arch.) < 1300118141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: When I do that, usually I spend half an hour backwards-and-forthing before I realise that they did something stupid, and I tell them, and they're all "why didn't you tell me". < 1300118148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's because I assumed they weren't fucking idiots < 1300118152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's for your own good. < 1300118204 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might consider that it would be an idea to make one's assumptions have a finer gradation than "idiot" and "never says anything idiotic" < 1300118223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure, people earn that granularity < 1300118232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called intelligent cpu cycle allocation < 1300118241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor had not yet earned such granularity in the context of minecraft :P < 1300118251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, x86 is retarded though :P < 1300118288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am pointing out that it is not a good idea have those two as the default options < 1300118298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: got a better selection? < 1300118302 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal only uses ... Alpha. < 1300118323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, har. I don't know that arch well enough to comment on retardedness of it < 1300118344 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal only uses ... MIPS? < 1300118355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1300118356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itanium's instruction set looks pretty cool, am i weird for thinking this? < 1300118367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VORPAL ONLY USES HARDWARE IMPLEMENTATIONS OF JAVA < 1300118369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I'm pragmatic though. I use x86-6. < 1300118372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly < 1300118376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the arch < 1300118378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6-bit x86 < 1300118379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So, x80? < 1300118382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1300118383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 * < 1300118384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300118405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal secretly uses a Reduceron. < 1300118407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not that i can explain in words < 1300118413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd love to < 1300118415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs numbers greater than 64 anyway. < 1300118431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It can express the number of bits in the more common variant of x86! < 1300118438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not, however, the original 8086 model number. < 1300118449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's actually 0 to 63. < 1300118449 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PERFECT < 1300118457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT CAN'T EVEN REPRESENT THE CONCEPT OF 64 BITS < 1300118466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I should have said "greater than or equal to" :P < 1300118478 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw you said eww about Harvard arches but there is actually quite a good reason to use them in SOC. You can use flash that you can execute directly from. No need to copy program to RAM < 1300118483 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are our bit-addressible archs :P < 1300118492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, saves silicon space < 1300118499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: von neumann computers are kinda like cellular automata if you squint tho < 1300118499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1300118506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bit-addressable would rock :P < 1300118515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure how that addresses my statement :P < 1300118517 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300118521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ca are cool < 1300118534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes and it doesn't address what I just said < 1300118552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How about this: Everything is 1 bit, there are 256 registers, memory is bit-addressed by passing 64 values. < 1300118553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't see how "von neumann computers are kinda like cellular automata if you squint tho" < 1300118603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If the base registers are a[0-256], then bytes are h[0-32]. < 1300118628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And, uhh, wait, we need more than 256 registers by far :P < 1300118636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: hmm, not on the wikipedia page, but IIRC oerjan pretty much slam-dunked it once < 1300118641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try 1,024 registers. < 1300118645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Of one bit each. < 1300118649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly cannot recall proving dupdog definitely non-TC < 1300118676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And while you can say "deref a b c d [...]", it's more convenient to say "deref b64.r3" or something :-P < 1300118681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COME ON, BEST ARCHITECTURE EVER < 1300118685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. < 1300118688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just 2^64 BITS. < 1300118702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be enough for everyone < 1300118707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300118709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you google: < 1300118713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or is it anyone? < 1300118713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2^64 bits in petabyes" < 1300118715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(2^64) bytes = 16 384 petabytes" < 1300118719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Showing results for 2^64 bytes in petabytes. Search instead for 2^64 bits in petabyes" < 1300118720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300118725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2048 petabytes < 1300118729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha < 1300118731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly not enough < 1300118737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a dym < 1300118751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need 67-bit addresses < 1300118757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're going bit-addressable < 1300118759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dym? < 1300118765 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaksikymment�nelj�tuntiaikakausit�m�nhetkinen < 1300118769 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq people :P < 1300118770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say my current best guess is that it isn't TC, but then my initial best guess was non-TC for every non-trivial step of my recent underload endeavour, and i was wrong every time :D < 1300118771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did-you-mean < 1300118787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, 2,048 registers :-P < 1300118791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, I thought the 2,3 machine was non-TC to start off with < 1300118793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, translate.google.com actually understood that ... "Twenty-Four Hour Period As One moment" < 1300118798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which gives you slightly less than 32 full addresses in registers. < 1300118800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yep :-P < 1300118806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's the word I meticulously constructed with oklopol's help in Finnish. < 1300118814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "day", if you're insane. < 1300118814 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that doesn't look like proper Finnish, though < 1300118827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol understood it, that's good enough for me. < 1300118828 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tämänhetkinen = current < 1300118831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300118833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "today" < 1300118840 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the "as one moment" < 1300118843 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywhere < 1300118848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough :P < 1300118850 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google does :P < 1300118864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a pretty word < 1300118868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some finn pronounce it and upload the wav < 1300118871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only imagine it will sound amazing < 1300118880 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, I have a vague Swedish accent < 1300118883 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I won't < 1300118888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds even funnier, do it < 1300118893 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1300118894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say bork bork bork at the end < 1300118896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's vital < 1300118904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise how can i take you seriously, you might not be a real swede. < 1300118916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that isn't even Swedish in any sense < 1300118916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw for that one, is there a definite proof that it isn't TC with finite initialization? < 1300118928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your mom isn't Swedish in any sense. < 1300118930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's un-Swedish. < 1300118933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there isn't < 1300118936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really no < 1300118938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300118949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a proof that it's non-TC unless you have infinitely many white cells, but that isn't particularly useful < 1300118963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Quick, add !dupdog so that oerjan can start proving. < 1300118978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't that just saying that it needs infinite memory to be TC? < 1300118980 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300118992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1300118996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh okay < 1300118999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"infinitely many cells" is obviously needed < 1300119004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300119006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing in TCness implies that an infinite subset of them have to be white < 1300119013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t even < 1300119014 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> Bool < 1300119019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the set of possible colours? < 1300119031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :white, yellow, orange in most of the Wolfram drawings of the machine < 1300119034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I just call them 0,1,2 < 1300119052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think anyone's tried to draw the machine but the Wolfram people and me) < 1300119058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1300119072 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://miekko.infa.fi/kaksikymment.ogg < 1300119086 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, I should've added a bork bork bork there :| < 1300119087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so is it a CA or TM what? I think I need to read up on dupdog < 1300119090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what* < 1300119096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: 403 < 1300119098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're miekko? < 1300119099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, dupdog? < 1300119104 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1300119108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300119109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who? < 1300119113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: another guy in here < 1300119114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those joke esolangs that's not quite obviously stupid < 1300119115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just assumed it was like < 1300119116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finn influx < 1300119118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnflux < 1300119125 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK, someone upload it to the wiki as a pronunciation key! < 1300119135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one, right < 1300119148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YES < 1300119149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what, dupdog? <-- I thought you were talking about dupdog above < 1300119154 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or was that just elliott? < 1300119157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: MAKE IT NON-403 SO QUICKLY < 1300119164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in that case which language *were* you talking about < 1300119171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we can't have tha fnacy pronunciation icon right? < 1300119172 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300119174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the fancy < 1300119175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wikipedia has < 1300119177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz of license < 1300119178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conversation was about more than one language < 1300119180 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear connection: What the hell? < 1300119188 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300119191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dupdog was one mentioned, but so were Xigxag and the 2,3 machine < 1300119197 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300119197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1300119208 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how is it even related to our wiki (that sound) < 1300119214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, minimized Underload, although that doesn't fit the question < 1300119236 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's random - usually, stuff I scp there gets the right permissions immediately < 1300119245 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300119252 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this time stuff didn't work out like that :| < 1300119274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's the pronunciation of what's on the homepage < 1300119300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Permission to upload that to the wiki as public domain? :-P < 1300119305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300119307 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where? < 1300119307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh now i wonder if you could remove something more from underload if you allowed an infinite program :D < 1300119314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lern2wiki < 1300119327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know what to search for < 1300119331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :home page < 1300119341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1300119341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300119350 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure < 1300119351 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead < 1300119366 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altho' as I said, I have a bit of an accent, altho' that accent is sort of recursive < 1300119380 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Swedish is basically Swedish as influenced 500 years by Finnish < 1300119386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: presumably : < 1300119389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, somehow < 1300119402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300119410 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Finnish is influenced by germanic anyway, so we end up with ... some kind of converging shit < 1300119416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload warning < 1300119416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :".ogg" is not a recommended image file format. < 1300119423 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1300119432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "homepage"? < 1300119434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning"; I don't see any way to IGNORE that warning :P < 1300119437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ojgoidfjgiodfogd haven't slept < 1300119447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can FANCY ADMINS LIKE YOU upload oggs? < 1300119449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's normally an "ignore warnings" checkbox < 1300119451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah it would seem that you could then _never_ get information out of a stack < 1300119455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the upload form < 1300119456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed < 1300119471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't stop it < 1300119475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is a one-way information transfer enough? < 1300119479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, allowed upload types are defined in the MW config, so I'm guessing no. < 1300119483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1300119485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, if even with the override it doesn't work, I can't override it either < 1300119492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it must be being done at the PHP level < 1300119496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just makes a fake page for the pronunciation
< 1300119498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pester graue; he's responded recently. < 1300119500 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300119501 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-173.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300119535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'd be surprised if graue didn't respond to emails < 1300119547 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300119583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Thank you for your valuable service to the community. < 1300119609 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1300119623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can all agree that the world of esolangs was advanced today. < 1300119652 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would've been advanced even more if I had an esoteric finnish dialect. < 1300119660 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like, uh, ingrian or somesuch < 1300119668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, we have an esoteric word to make up for it < 1300119677 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can pull that off, though, as they all are knee-deep in Russians < 1300119680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now someone make an esolang based on it so nobody can complain < 1300119682 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore sound, unsurprisingly, like Russians? < 1300119686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen should be the cat program < 1300119782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300119866 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300119925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: I have decoded your hostile language. < 1300119926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FZcJ < 1300119964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee without :, (A)(^B) is equivalent to (AB) < 1300119987 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this some esolang based on Finnish? < 1300119993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Yes. < 1300120011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Based on randomly decomposing fake Finnish words, that is :P < 1300120044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((A1)...(An)B) is equivalent to (A1)...(An)(B) < 1300120063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually tuntiai can decompose into tunti (null), ai (equals) < 1300120101 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.01: 4k to India, 64k to China, 256 to Hong Kong. Slow day. < 1300120135 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A)^ is of course equivalent to A < 1300120153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: aren't slow days a /good/ thing in this context? < 1300120155 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you've dropped an "m" < 1300120159 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between < 1300120161 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ausitä < 1300120163 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and än < 1300120175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this allows you to recude everything down to an at most 1 level deep expression < 1300120179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reduce < 1300120185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: män is now end of block :P < 1300120211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: http://sprunge.us/KdMF < 1300120242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait you can have (^(^(^...))) < 1300120245 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1300120285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Do any of those decomposed elements have meaning in Finnish? :P < 1300120306 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-68-80.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300120361 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunti = hour < 1300120379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING ELSE? < 1300120382 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nen = affix used to form adjectives < 1300120397 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai = exclamation a bit like "oh" < 1300120514 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ki = colloquial variation on -kin, a suffix meaning "even, too, also" < 1300120519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORING < 1300120521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300120706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, every single one of those probably means something in japanese too >:) < 1300120753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: whas good n64 emulator cant typ < 1300120757 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you cut Finnish up randomly it often looks very japanese < 1300120769 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you just let it be like it is, it's distinct enough < 1300120775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc pikhq said that with simple substutition the bug word became nonsense japanese < 1300120786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: i bet letter-based markov bots are fun in finnish < 1300120832 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried one, but .. uh, afaict markov-bots can't maintain vowel harmony? < 1300120839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: who cares < 1300120840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agglutinative! < 1300120848 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but, vowel harmony is v. important for Finnish < 1300120853 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks more estonian if you drop it < 1300120855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what she said :/ < 1300120861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok estonian then :P < 1300120865 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, estonian is pretty < 1300120871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: whas good n64 emulator cant typ <-- for linux mupen64plus is your best bet < 1300120877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard there were better ones for windows < 1300120878 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and estonian chicks, my god, some of them are crazily beautiful) < 1300120884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway how goes the toolchain? < 1300120885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: assume i have infinitely powerful hardware < 1300120894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toolchain i'm holding off on until i decide on object format/versions < 1300120901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suure < 1300120902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: why couldn't they maintain vowel harmony, it's a simple finite state thing... < 1300120906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know any cycle accurate one if that is what you mean < 1300120912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heck no, that's excessive < 1300120927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might need to adjust them a little for it < 1300120928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for linux mupen64plus is the only one I know of < 1300120930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah looks like mupen is the only one < 1300120939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the "Plus" bit is important < 1300120949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: any emulation pitfalls? < 1300120954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna try out sm64 finally :P < 1300120992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sm64? < 1300120997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup- mar- < 1300120999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300121029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's the only game that mupen emulates correctly pretty much no matter what the settings are < 1300121038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and yes the emulation is not perfect. No noticeable issues in mario64 though < 1300121039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incredibly picky on every other game for the console < 1300121043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unsurprising < 1300121048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i heard something about a beam of light < 1300121050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becoming like < 1300121050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a line < 1300121052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, zelda64 oot works fairly well too < 1300121053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the logs < 1300121063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, why don't you just play the DS version? it's still on sale < 1300121065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm possibly. < 1300121066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we _do_ need a cycle-accurate nintendo 64 emulator :) < 1300121074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we can't trust people to write a decent higher-level one < 1300121091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find the DS uncomfortably small to play for long periods of time i.e. any longer game < 1300121097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and prefer originals to remakes < 1300121110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can/could get most games to work. But the last mupen64plus version lacks a GUI. They rewrote the large bits but never ported the GUI over < 1300121116 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300121117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to fiddle with command line args < 1300121122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be easy for mario64 < 1300121125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pleasant < 1300121128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for most other games *shudder* < 1300121128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I find computers uncomfortably large < 1300121141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's about the display for me < 1300121151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm fine with a tiny gamepad, but I can't play on a small screen < 1300121154 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for mario64 it is probably just ./mupen64plus mario.v64 (or whatever extension it is) < 1300121164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, once I rip the ROM from my cartridge < 1300121170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD < 1300121171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore no more needs to be said < 1300121174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: i guess the problem is that you could have arbitrary long chains without a vowel of specific harmony, so you cannot use a finite length chain ... although i think fizzie looked at markov chains with adjustable length < 1300121230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for fungot's babbling) < 1300121230 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.youtube.com/ fnord but rather violent... nothing for sensitive people < 1300121243 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know too much about markov chains, I should probably read up < 1300121264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: they're trivial < 1300121281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok you need to wrap up a letter-based, vowel harmony preserving finnish style for fungot ;D < 1300121282 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: time for lesson 2? what about godel is also gödel is undecidable. of course. but that view won't help anything. shivers wrote it years ago; it's there. < 1300121286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: for babble generation: you have a map (last N units) => {set of (following unit, probability)} < 1300121297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start with a START token, pick a random next one weighted by probability < 1300121303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat taking the last N from your output < 1300121305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you reach END < 1300121307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1300121373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: units can be words or vowels or whatever ofc < 1300121451 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, to preserve specific harmony, one could put the current harmony (not known, front, back) among those last N units. < 1300121476 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I thought they were defined as last units => set of following units (altho' that's equivalent, really) < 1300121487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kälastijokenäpakaäileimen < 1300121497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: yep, but the probability is of course important < 1300121501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to generate even vaguely coherent things < 1300121522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can basically just insert by frequency and then turn that into weighting to make things simpelr from an implementation POV of course < 1300121522 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, I left that sort of implicit there < 1300121527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300121531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's how they are defined then < 1300121536 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erg, I typoed < 1300121544 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "last unit => set of following units" < 1300121549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300121552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: that's just an order-1 markov chain < 1300121555 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, k < 1300121559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: which...works, but won't produce anything coherent at all < 1300121567 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not entirely equivalent < 1300121571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: "what comes after 'a'" "oh, occasionally 'x'" "axoiajdioasjoisdfksngdfbslkjerbg" < 1300121596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the name of a small mountain in georgian. < 1300121614 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should go for something in salishan languages instead < 1300121616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: not _entirely_ accurate) < 1300121632 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do things like qsqvkdmllqklitsk < 1300121646 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the more units are considered, the larger the tables (and more difficult to estimate the probabilties). < 1300121648 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i accidentally almost typed clit in there < 1300121659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: you just need a large corpus < 1300121662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gutenberg that shit up < 1300121673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a clitical error < 1300121695 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :salishan languages actually challenge the idea that syllables are a linguistic universal :) < 1300121751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: That's a load of bullshdifogrjknydnmdfhjkgslvfkdghksjdkdjgjksletapw;rlmvo*£$&@*(!@)~{P_@)(~~ < 1300121761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They are characterised by agglutinativity and astonishing consonant clusters — for instance the Nuxálk word xłp̓x̣ʷłtłpłłskʷc̓ (IPA: [xɬpʼχʷɬtʰɬpʰɬːskʷʰt͡sʼ]) meaning ‘he had had [in his possession] a bunchberry plant’ has thirteen obstruent consonants in a row with no vowels." < 1300121761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1300121765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sexiest word i've ever seen. < 1300121773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no pronunciation link though, i want a pronunciation link < 1300121821 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the chemical symbol for tungsten comes from "wolfram". < 1300121837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tried to upload a pronunciation, but he choked on his tongue < 1300121844 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS CAN PROBABLY BE PLAYED WITH IN SOME HILARIOUS WAY < 1300121871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it's called wolfram in norwegian < 1300121876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forbid funny < 1300121889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a new kind of element < 1300122031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the Mario 64 title screen is ... disturbing. < 1300122073 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300122108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does mupen64 no longer support configuring KEYS? :P < 1300122136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, through a config file iirc... < 1300122142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It has a GUI here... < 1300122143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v1.6 < 1300122145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1300122145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 < 1300122179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh then you can find it under settings. Look for the configuration of which input plugin to use < 1300122187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the settings don't pop up anything < 1300122187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I assume you use sdl? < 1300122194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdl input. yes. the only available one. < 1300122195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for input < 1300122203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then click config it or such < 1300122207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs < 1300122207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't work I don't know < 1300122208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pops < 1300122209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up nothing < 1300122447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know of any compilers that are truly single-pass? < 1300122475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, never ever go back to anything they've previously covered for any reason? < 1300122480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be not AST-based < 1300122480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1300122483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300122488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine some stupid BF compilers work like that < 1300122490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't original pascal single-pass < 1300122499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not that strictly... < 1300122503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300122506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can lax it SLIGHTLY :) < 1300122507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, infix ops are ok < 1300122512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was thinking about that, but not sure if it matched the restriction < 1300122564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how mupen64plus doesn't trust you with its build system < 1300122569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just gives you an optionless shell script to use insetad. < 1300122570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if remembering the position of a previous element counts as going back to it, then even bf looks hard... < 1300122571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instead. < 1300122579 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, there's more tau stuff on the front page of Reddit. < 1300122583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: tau? < 1300122587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, as in "OMG PI"? < 1300122589 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2pi. < 1300122591 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1300122598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can compile it into while { and } < 1300122601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ais523: Let's say: You can keep track of state as you see it, but there must be NO backtracking in the input stream. < 1300122604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without tracking the nesting at all yourself < 1300122609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you must never go back an arbitrary distance? < 1300122611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a single rule? < 1300122617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in the input stream? then it's easy, you can just load the file into memory < 1300122621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and work from that < 1300122629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, because that involves going back arbitrarily < 1300122633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the saved data < 1300122641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you're using that to subvert the restriction) < 1300122652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., in (a + b), + only has to look one back < 1300122655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find the previous expr < 1300122664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to say (... a b c + d) would not be OK < 1300122670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok so it's LR(k) parsing-wise, at least < 1300122688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, maybe i should restrict it more :) < 1300122693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not a very big restriction < 1300122800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: one thing i thought of is that you can only write a bounded amount of computer result for a bounded amount of input, while always going forward in both input and compiled stream < 1300122818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compiler result < 1300122865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means of course that compiling a [ cannot look at the corresponding ]... < 1300122872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for bf) < 1300122904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it becomes very dependent on the branching power of the language you are compiling _into_ < 1300122952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: assume you can define labels, at least < 1300123007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so, uh... nintendo 64 without a gamepad or joystick < 1300123008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST IDEA < 1300123022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah then you could do it by assigning the label name for the ] when you hit the [ < 1300123070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you also need the label for [ of course) < 1300123096 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181143187.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300123100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then the question becomes whether using the label for [ counts as going backwards or not) < 1300123167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300123170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, because you can use a stack < 1300123173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you only have to look back one < 1300123182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: so, uh... nintendo 64 without a gamepad or joystick <-- I used keyboard since an aircraft joystick doesn't work well with games assuming a gamepad < 1300123194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the range of movement is so very different < 1300123196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you could make [ push its label at runtime instead, so you didn't have to let ] look at the [ label while compiling < 1300123201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to buy a solid PS2 controller and use it forever. < 1300123223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could also compile all langs into source + interp that way and bypass all restrictions... < 1300123263 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300123315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1300123463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this castle is a bit dramatic. < 1300123471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1300123477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the start. < 1300123484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh, maybe < 1300123536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start = "key(13)" < 1300123542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope you can just say "A" and "B" and the like here. < 1300123567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not that I know of < 1300123590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think they are sdl keycodes anyway < 1300123821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: THIS GAME DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE NICE MOVING STUFF GALAXY HAS < 1300123834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, er? < 1300123835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss crouch-backflipping, catching on to a wall, kicking off, then spinning. < 1300123847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can do a wall jump if that is what you mean < 1300123851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess not < 1300123853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHAT ABOUT THER EST < 1300123854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THE REST < 1300123875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can do long jumps by crouching (Z iirc?) and then jumpng < 1300123883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do a backflip? < 1300123887 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes pretty sure < 1300123891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you follow a backflip with a wall jump? < 1300123895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1300123930 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-12249172 < 1300123932 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could go wrong? < 1300123943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway changes in later games. What else would you expect < 1300123950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changes for the better :P < 1300123964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, next you will demand these kind of things in SMB! < 1300123972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smb was boring < 1300123978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit yes < 1300123994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how i feel about this game anthropomorphising bombs as happy, carefree creatures < 1300124000 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, UNLESS THE PAEDOS USE IT TO TRACK OUR CHILDREN!!!!!! < 1300124149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls once upon a time he was in a role-playing game with a happy, carefree missile
< 1300124211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, mate < 1300124258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we sold it to the local mafia. it seemed like the least dangerous option.) < 1300124298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually the missile wasn't the main thing we sold, just something that happened to be stored on the premises. < 1300124443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: L(0.5) < 1300124451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok hm so what's LR(1) for this one-pass thing < 1300124454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1300124460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LR(0.5) < 1300124461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke :P < 1300124465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can look at the last production generated? < 1300124470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be LR(1)? < 1300124471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no more? < 1300124475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd mean you could not do nested loops < 1300124485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LR(1) uses a stack and a finite state < 1300124493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1300124496 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about. < 1300124501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: things < 1300124591 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049137.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300124603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me somehow of that right bracket language < 1300124636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't think going to the next _non-matched_ bracket can do nesting either) < 1300124652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is LR(!) actually sufficient for bf here? < 1300124665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's ! ? < 1300124668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1300124668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1300124673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what about LL(1) ;-P < 1300124689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf is certainly LR(1) in the usual sense, and i think LL(1) too < 1300124703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, but is that actually relevant to this compilery thing < 1300124706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has to keep its state like that too < 1300124708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might even be LR(0) if you look at it the right way < 1300124720 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300124732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1300124775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i think the labels can be put on the same stack if that's what you mean < 1300124790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm just figuring with my "can only access a bounded amount back" < 1300124797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how small it can get while still being able to compile Pascal-- ;D < 1300124821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well pascal more or less requires a dictionary, doesn't it < 1300124853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no requirement to only use variables in stack order of definition :D < 1300124875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would be an awesome requirement :D < 1300124882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even the best < 1300124910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what would lambda calculus look like with that < 1300124922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing < 1300124928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to minimize a bit) < 1300124932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300124936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal --> lambda calculus < 1300124938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an obvious simplification < 1300124951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they _do_ share the lexical scoping < 1300125051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THERE IS THAT < 1300125057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside a \x -> ..., all accesses to x must come before all accesses to outer variables < 1300125106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say \x y -> y (\z -> z y) x is legal < 1300125180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out it's equivalent to the superstrict lambda calculus, i deduced this because i'm a genius < 1300125187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1300125188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have any reasoning, just told my past self (i.e. my present self) it was so < 1300125193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess i figure it out in a few years, stay tuned < 1300125241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have i = \x -> x and k = \x y -> x both legal < 1300125263 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an idiot on BBC news claiming that the Fukushima plant has basically gone Chernobyl and it's being covered up. < 1300125287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s = \x y z -> x z (y z) is not, at least in that form < 1300125293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x y z -> x z (y z) < 1300125301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x y z -> z y (y x) < 1300125306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's OK < 1300125309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x y z -> z y (y x) < 1300125313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you not mention it twice? < 1300125322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice is ok < 1300125364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: \x y z -> (\a c b d -> a b (c d)) x y z z < 1300125366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, needs reversing < 1300125368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's trivial < 1300125390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1300125462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. < 1300125464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um are you saying that gives s < 1300125478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm... hypothesising that that gives s, if you make it queue order instead < 1300125490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: \x y z -> (\a b c d -> a c (b d)) x y z z < 1300125493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearer form :P < 1300125495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1300125496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1300125497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300125498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im dum < 1300125499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore < 1300125515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what about that reversing, hm < 1300125523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its broken < 1300125526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: \x y z -> (\a c b d -> a b (c d)) x y z z < 1300125527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note "c b" < 1300125532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm sure you just need flip < 1300125539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f x y. f y x < 1300125539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1300125544 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300125545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f x y. y x f < 1300125561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f x y. (\y' x' f'. f' x' y') y x f < 1300125565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so that's apply :D < 1300125574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1300125583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack order this time < 1300125605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300125608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard to think ;_; < 1300125615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do my thinks for me oerjan < 1300125684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little adjustment of that gives you compose < 1300125701 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see functional programming. < 1300125704 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I want. < 1300125707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \f x y. (\y' x' f'. f' (x' y')) y x f < 1300125723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: this isn't functional programming. < 1300125726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pathological functional programming. < 1300125733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dysfunctional < 1300125751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was stolen for something on the wiki already i think :) < 1300125763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300125781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 666 "" < 1300125782 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "29a" < 1300125832 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300125839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/0x29A < 1300125849 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that second argument do? < 1300125864 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 666 "foo" < 1300125865 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "29afoo" < 1300125869 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300125878 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@i showHex < 1300125879 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: id ignore index instances instances-importing irc-connect . ? @ v < 1300125883 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i showHex < 1300125891 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type showHex < 1300125893 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> String -> String < 1300125904 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1300125922 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, it's that appendy string thing, isn't it? < 1300125959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still playing or did you get bored? < 1300125968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got distracted :) < 1300125977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also really fucking tired < 1300125985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300125987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300125987 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300125988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ojfg < 1300125993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sleep well < 1300126047 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus, actually reading about the Chernobyl disaster is depressing. < 1300126093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um < 1300126095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said im sleeping lol < 1300126097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats for fags? < 1300126182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1300126235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Every three years or so I wikiread the topic with a non-deterministic depth-limited BFS for a day or three. (Not sure why.) < 1300126248 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Chernobyl? < 1300126257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1300126271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I did that I did find this photo, though: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Peacekeeper-missile-testing.jpg < 1300126318 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how can you do a BFS on a graph? < 1300126327 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome picture, BtW. < 1300126345 0 :atrapado!~rodr@77.27.50.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300126350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breadth-first search; how *couldn't* you do that on a graph? < 1300126413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, technically by not performing it < 1300126482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. But doing it with a browser is borderline trivial. Or at least with a config that makes "open in new tab" open at the end of the tab bar. < 1300126493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300126551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a yway cherlaer chernobyl deserved it because of perl harbor < 1300126582 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1300126592 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300126603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you agree < 1300126615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah how dared those russians push perl on us < 1300126634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inour oaeubrs no less!k1'1 < 1300126650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hows a wootake < 1300126671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hallucinating yet? < 1300126677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no :( < 1300126695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1300126699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sufficiently deprived, then < 1300126699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. < 1300126702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just depraved < 1300126703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this IRC thing is all in your mind < 1300126707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: think i should oo for 72 hrs?????? < 1300126729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooing for 72 hours is _not_ recommended < 1300126734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll ruin your voice cords < 1300126747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126768 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1300126769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooo < 1300126778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klo < 1300126779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooo < 1300126781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo < 1300126784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126795 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tell Sgeo so he can fret. < 1300126797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kickban in... < 1300126800 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | what now? < 1300126801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300126802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooo < 1300126803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1300126805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300126807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300126808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1300126809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1300126811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300126813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1300126813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did optbot do? < 1300126813 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: å < 1300126817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1300126839 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot is elliott's latest stupid project. < 1300126840 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I rarely, if ever, read it. < 1300126848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: IT'S FROM 2008 < 1300126853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus chrsit < 1300126855 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so? < 1300126856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been here longer than you < 1300126861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep I seen it before < 1300126861 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a terrible idea. < 1300126864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "latest" is objectively wrong? < 1300126866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forgot what it did < 1300126889 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what if it was here in '08? I would have opposed it then as well. < 1300126916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but that's assuming i actually care that you oppose. i've already discussed it with oerjan and am implementing the fix we agreed on soon < 1300126920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when i'm not 90% asleep. < 1300126928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you whine about everything. :p < 1300126929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the topic changer < 1300126930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300126938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *and fungot inspiration < 1300126939 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you put your call-,with-* hack for scheme-mode? and if so, what does syntax-case buy you over define-macro? < 1300126946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh really, mkay < 1300126948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fungot babble inspiration < 1300126949 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you run emacs in konsole < 1300126956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, fizzie was all "i am inadequate ;_; must compensate" < 1300126961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he brought out all the n-grams. < 1300126973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what did you do? just random letters? < 1300126975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1300126975 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it seems so < 1300126979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1300126982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it does exactly what it did then < 1300126987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't remember! < 1300126994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you'll get it in a few pings < 1300126997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1300126999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it very obvious sometimes < 1300127003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, random? < 1300127003 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, i seem to remember now < 1300127006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, random? < 1300127006 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2 ihope: ps < 1300127009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep pretty < 1300127011 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's the agreed fix? < 1300127016 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :/mode +t | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300127016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: rtflogs < 1300127016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it quotes log < 1300127020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: rtflogs < 1300127023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: rtfquitwhining < 1300127025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe not full lines, don't know yet < 1300127025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: correct < 1300127030 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, shut up, OK? < 1300127039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: mm, no < 1300127045 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTFLogs is not a response to all requests for information. < 1300127047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know it's off, that's still yukks :P < 1300127048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: 12 hour timeout after last change by anyone < 1300127057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it is when you're being irritating about it. < 1300127062 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to sift through the logs to find everything. < 1300127071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then don't be irritating/obnoxious. < 1300127073 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah, OK. I'm fine with that. < 1300127074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :/mode +t | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | + Gregor has changed the topic to: /mode +t | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300127080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :* Vorpal has changed the topic to: /mode +t | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | + Gregor has changed the topic to: /mode +t | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300127087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a fixed-point topic. < 1300127087 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300127099 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300127099 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep, we will easily hit limit < 1300127099 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | F < 1300127101 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK, expressing my discontent for your bot is being irritating and obnoxious. < 1300127105 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know. < 1300127113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: nope, expressing it in the way you did (an obnoxious way) is < 1300127116 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | * Gregor has changed the topic to: logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | * Gregor has changed the topic to: logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | * Gregor has changed the topic to: logs: http://tunes < 1300127120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :* Gregor has changed the topic to: logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | * Gregor has changed the topic to: logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | * Gregor has changed the topic to: logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | * Gregor has chang < 1300127121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, what do you expect... < 1300127130 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you can shut up too. < 1300127137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did we end up with a different length :P < 1300127139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, come on :P < 1300127143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Vorpal: plz realise: "I don't like optbot" != "optbot is elliott's latest stupid project and it's retarded and stupid and dumb" < 1300127143 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's like making printf return an integer so you can do printf("Hello, world!\n") + printf("Bye!\n"); < 1300127153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I agreed with you about elliott's treatment of you. < 1300127155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter does not get spoonfed log lines < 1300127162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm neutral on optbot < 1300127162 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and JS? < 1300127174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal's constant attempts to agree with everyone who's taking a negative view of me remain unhampered. < 1300127175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah it isn't your latest stupid one < 1300127178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1300127185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy ignore < 1300127198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I do feel both you and Phantom__Hoover should calm down < 1300127215 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you are this near to an ignore from me as well. < 1300127248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I can't see why. I just told you both to calm down... < 1300127402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the surest way to make people ignore you, i should think < 1300127416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm good point < 1300127428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no one likes feeling they are at fault < 1300127465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah faults are dangerous, look at japan < 1300127487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, may I borrow your flyswatter for a moment? < 1300127494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1300127498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1300127504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I forgot the shape. what length is it? < 1300127509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5+3 < 1300127519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, - and #? o < 1300127523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or* = ? < 1300127546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and wat < 1300127556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oerjan for that pun-----###
< 1300127565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you can have it back < 1300127570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1300127835 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the command for makin an hg repo directory match the server it was cloned from? < 1300127843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300127846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf / < 1300127847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean pulling new changes < 1300127857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg help # rtfm < 1300127892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtfm, rm -rf, so close < 1300127968 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many r's not enough t's < 1300128005 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :λf.(λx.f (x x)) (λx.f (x x)), bitches! | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300128028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an xkcd quote < 1300128050 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR it's from that tattoo, but then again it might not be. < 1300128061 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Libertine has unmatched []; discuss. < 1300128097 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, it's only in XChat. < 1300128784 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300128939 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300129084 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I certainly hope you weren't referring to the topic ... < 1300129110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1300129125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how nobody noticed Deewiant even said anything < 1300129127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a ninja. < 1300129185 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I noticed, but I ignored him because I was otherwise engaged. < 1300129202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: You're getting married? Congratulations < 1300129204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Congratulations! < 1300129216 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, guess what the ring will be made of? < 1300129229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Wait, wait, let me guess. Gold. < 1300129236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait < 1300129237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEAD?? < 1300129241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIRT???? < 1300129245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram, obviously. < 1300129247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBSIDIAN???? < 1300129259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would have a drastic ego containment field collapse < 1300129260 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a hipster glasses smiley. < 1300129263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*undergo a < 1300129272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I propose :kanye: < 1300129280 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, OK. < 1300129283 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except metal. < 1300129289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1300129293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming you mean shutter shades. < 1300129303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercury under glass. < 1300129303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best ring ever. < 1300129307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise :iiam: < 1300129407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i like how nobody noticed Deewiant even said anything <-- um am i being trolled < 1300129410 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean a metal hipster because that is what I am. < 1300129413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope < 1300129423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: THERE IS NO SUCH THING < 1300129428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because afaict Deewiant hasn't spoken recently < 1300129434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: look closer < 1300129438 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, IRIDIUM IS WAY TOO MAINSTREAM < 1300129442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300129443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1300129444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual metal < 1300129445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as in < 1300129446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ < 1300129448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metal metal < 1300129450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1300129459 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a pune or play on words. < 1300129470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: FOUND IT YET < 1300129482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unless you mean that optbot! which i don't see why should need noticing... < 1300129483 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sp0 will not work on my comp < 1300129488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was a speak! < 1300129516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well in that case i did notice. < 1300129904 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's more dangerous than glass to put mercury in in a ring ... < 1300129904 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But equally transparent) < 1300129926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Air < 1300129936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Good luck making that maintain the shape of a ring. < 1300129943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You never said it had to last long < 1300129943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice. < 1300129952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It'll last about as long as Phantom__Hoover's marriage < 1300130019 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's more dangerous than glass to put mercury in in a ring BUT IS ALSO TRANSPARENT, SOLID AND STABLE AT ROOM TEMPERATURE < 1300130029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the marriage is doomed anyway if they don't have the right chemistry < 1300130070 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300130094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, all these restrictions < 1300130173 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe instead I'll go with semitransparent and use a mesh in which the pores are slightly smaller than mercury's natural drop size :P < 1300130188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.moral-politics.com/Temp/Pol_06449af7e2ec4ac5af505245273c9a61.png DO I WIN < 1300130197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure getting into one of the corners is how you win < 1300130474 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: It'll last about as long as Phantom__Hoover's marriage < 1300130491 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, since I plan to go through with the osmium ring plan with a wealthy heiress. < 1300130502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: It's not my fault you're planning to marry an extremely unstable isotope. < 1300130516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1300130551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wtf does that even mean < 1300130572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What < 1300130574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graph thing? < 1300130579 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1300130590 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm likin' my mesh idea, but I think the drop size for mercury is quite small :P < 1300130593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Result of taking the silly test at http://www.moral-politics.com/. < 1300130606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I fall somewhere between social democratism and activism. < 1300130612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more in "activism". < 1300130618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently activism is A FORM OF MILD SOCIALISM. < 1300130641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bullshit test and some of the answers have really biased wording < 1300130641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1300130649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Of the 666,816 respondents (11,708 on Facebook): < 1300130649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4% are close to you. < 1300130649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :81% are more conservative. < 1300130649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1% are more liberal. < 1300130649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1% are more socialist. < 1300130650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7% are more authoritarian.]] < 1300130652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRETTY SURE THAT MEANS I WIN < 1300130664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(7% are more authoritarian? wtf i never said anything authoritarian...) < 1300130674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION redoes the political compass test while he's at it.
< 1300130723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gleh, forgot how badly-worded some of the questions on this are, too. < 1300130726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality." < 1300130736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea whether this is saying "In practice, ..." or "Inherently, ...". < 1300130809 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the implication that noöne thinks women are better than men. < 1300130812 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEXISM IS ONE-WAY < 1300130847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I hate about these tests is the questions that are basically trying to funnel you into one of two categories and are really obvious about it < 1300130856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment." < 1300130904 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders which political system would be best for an online sandbox economy thing á la EVE.
< 1300130926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a game economy ENTIRELY based around the fact that you can play the game with enough money. < 1300130938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you can with EVE, except the servers being the Fort Knox. < 1300130959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care ." ;; you can't just ask me this and not also ask me if I support public healthcare, ffs < 1300130975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either you want to outlaw Bupa, or you want to make everyone die on the streets! < 1300130983 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is... bleurghl. < 1300130998 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think two of those corners are accessible. < 1300131008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the political compass, btw. < 1300131009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the moral thing. < 1300131019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusingly I think I register as more conservative/authoritarian than I really am on these because of bad questions... < 1300131039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though < 1300131040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality." < 1300131043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO I EVEN DISAGREE/AGREE TO THAT < 1300131048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT WHAT I WANT TO BE TRUE, IS IT WHAT I THINK IS TRUE IN PRACTICE < 1300131049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFF < 1300131105 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300131105 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300131105 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300131273 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300131294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's dissing on elliott again, i'll jump the bandwagon: elliott: optbot's nick has a typo < 1300131295 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and well there are lots of process supervision stuff built in. Oh and hot code reloading. Oh and support for distributed nodes and what not. Not features of your typical "scripting" language. < 1300131299 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300131305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nah Phantom__Hoover was totally a bro < 1300131313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal was just totally a Vorpal < 1300131318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :live goes on, broly. < 1300131323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but er waht's the typo < 1300131329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be otpbot < 1300131331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stands for oerjan's punnes terribales < 1300131337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's french you uncultured fuck < 1300131345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol excuse me :( < 1300131348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even a fucking ' thing on top of one of them < 1300131348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1300131415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i said "jeau deux le shambray de la seminar" to a french guy, and he didn't get me < 1300131415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: WHAT WAS YOUR SCORE < 1300131421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: uts jk < 1300131425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though chambre is totally french < 1300131445 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I gave up because my attention span is negative. < 1300131453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jeau deux" may have been wrong though < 1300131453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: IT'S LIKE FIVE QUESTIONS < 1300131529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system." < 1300131534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK THATS THE best question ever < 1300131539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanna see osmeone say "strong algryy" < 1300131562 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmeone, Osmium's sister. < 1300131608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.38&soc=-7.64 < 1300131611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1300131617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not far left enough < 1300131643 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the sane kind of libertarian or the nutjob kind? < 1300131655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif < 1300131660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/bothaxes.gif < 1300131665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those should explain. The first one moreso. < 1300131672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how Thatcher is more extreme than Hitler. < 1300131677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda. < 1300131701 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Hitler said he was a socialist. < 1300131726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that test is too hard < 1300131744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the moral or political < 1300131755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the political, try the moral one it's supra-eesy http://www.moral-politics.com/ < 1300131758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and crap < 1300131829 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We should reduce the causes of crime" vs. "we should eliminate the causes of crime". < 1300131842 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOULD WE ELIMINATE CRIME OR REDUCE IT < 1300131880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduce it definitely! < 1300131884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like crime. < 1300131885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gives me the warm fuzzies. < 1300131905 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like crime in moderation just as much as the next man. < 1300131911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i'm a socialist < 1300131918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, since i'm not < 1300131940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: give pic link < 1300131950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300131955 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-167.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300132046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how, but -3 on moral order, 1.5 on moral rules < 1300132048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means < 1300132069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case i'm not sure i agree with all my answers, i might answer differently at different times < 1300132069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right lcick the graph thing < 1300132070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the right < 1300132073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose copy pic location < 1300132074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste in here < 1300132131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work that way < 1300132164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: give us the ilnk to the page with it on then < 1300132215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'll send you the POST data through an irc message < 1300132226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha oklopol just got a really weakling version of my results < 1300132227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i already lost it < 1300132228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a fag fag < 1300132257 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Still using my handwriting as a system font? < 1300132260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my political stance is mostly that finland is perfect, let's just keep it this way < 1300132276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no :( but i regret not doing so < 1300132283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: including the military service thing? :D < 1300132293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well some disagreements, tru < 1300132305 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what's your handwriting like? < 1300132311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: amazing < 1300132313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best,even < 1300132316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*best, even < 1300132317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why a country would need an army < 1300132323 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want pics. < 1300132340 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/gregor_handwriting.ttf < 1300132349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: set as system font < 1300132351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set as default web page font < 1300132352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set as irc font < 1300132355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set as window title font < 1300132356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gawp in amazing < 1300132376 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wow, that actually makes my handwriting look controlled. < 1300132392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: use as system < 1300132393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colons < 1300132397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the best part < 1300132412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do you want me to make my own handwriting font for you to use in return, your computer will look like a three year old wrote it < 1300132417 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When I write long passages the words kind of merge into one big mass of slanty lines. < 1300132423 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1300132429 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And my font DOESN'T look like a three-year-old wrote it? < 1300132450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you have clearly never seen MY handwriting. < 1300132454 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone want MY handwriting? < 1300132459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300132462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimmegimme < 1300132480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Recently it evolved from "Cool, the lowercase letters take up THE ENTIRE LINE of regular lined paper" to "now I just write the upwards slanting lines, and literally just swiggle the rest" < 1300132480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus dots for the is < 1300132491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that and the first/last letters i'm sure everyone can interpret my words < 1300132517 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300132530 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do you fontify your handwriting? < 1300132545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: same way Gregor did it < 1300132548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...with murder < 1300132558 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how did you fontify your handwriting? < 1300132562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :murder is illegal < 1300132579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: indeed. < 1300132585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is the sadness < 1300132587 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, wow, Finland is weird. < 1300132587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is the tragedy < 1300132592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1300132596 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yourfonts.com < 1300132598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: ? army? < 1300132610 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, murder is *illegal*. < 1300132618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that thing < 1300132622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You realise that not doing it by hand == -19872938791237123 nerd points < 1300132626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we like teh life see < 1300132634 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's frowned on over here, but I can't imagine anyone *legislating* it. < 1300132642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'd need to do all the OpenType stuff to get my insane ligatures (EVERYTHING IS SWIGGLES) < 1300132644 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You realize that making a font ... of handwriting ... by hand makes no sense at all? < 1300132662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHAT DO YOU THINK WE DID BEFORE YOURFONTS < 1300132668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean as in manually vectorising etc. :P < 1300132677 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make fonts that were not an accurate conversion of handwriting. < 1300132697 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, making a font of my handwriting would lose the melting. < 1300132708 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always print :P < 1300132725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Not with OpenType! < 1300132731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just take twenty years to get every ligature down properly. < 1300132746 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The best part is when I scribble stuff out /with nearly the exact same density and angle as my normal writing/.) < 1300132777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned that < 1300132777 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also goes halfway down the next line, which doesn't stop me writing on it. < 1300132780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i don't even bother with spaces < 1300132783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you basically get like < 1300132786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*number of words letters < 1300132793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sentence < 1300132795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joined by a bunch of swiggles < 1300132799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite beautiful < 1300132844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you guys retarded? < 1300132861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, why? < 1300132868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no reason i guess < 1300132877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the purpose of handwriting isn't to be readable or useful imo < 1300132891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: YOU LIVE IN A HOLE < 1300132898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in a hole? < 1300132914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hole at bedrock! Factually correct. < 1300132921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1300132930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you do in Minecraft, dunno what Gregor's on about < 1300132942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your walls aren't flat btw, did someone mine some ore from them or did you decide that flat walls are boring < 1300132947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slight small holes < 1300132947 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to write algebra on one line unless it was literally impossible to make my pen write the symbols. < 1300132970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: biros have that much more leeway in stuffing squiggles into a line < 1300133030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebra <3 < 1300133041 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is one of their advantages < 1300133045 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another is not leaking. < 1300133059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: dunno, leaking can be useful for blotting off incorrect reasoning < 1300133065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the rest of the proof looks ok < 1300133078 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300133082 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure, but then I try to clean it with my fingers. < 1300133108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone: Put the Y combinator in various languages in the topic, each suffixed with ", bitches!" < 1300133122 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I end up looking like the Hulk if he'd been an early-20th century X-ray operator. < 1300133138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which? < 1300133140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strict? Lazy? < 1300133145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assume the language can do both) < 1300133173 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it really matters for something this stupid :P < 1300133180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :λf.(λx.f (x x)) (λx.f (x x)), bitches! | (\f -> let x = f x in x), bitches! | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300133193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not actually the y combinator. < 1300133197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a fixed-point combinator. < 1300133202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the y combinator itself requires some newtype wrapping. < 1300133203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing the y combinator is a sign of inteligence, Gregor. < 1300133222 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I guess we could tolerate any fixed-point combinator :P < 1300133226 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ... fascinating? < 1300133245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I don't think it really matters for something this stupid :P" < 1300133258 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I meant something as stupid as putting it in the topic. < 1300133270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget how to do it in underload, or if i ever got it done < 1300133314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f. (\x. f (\y. x x y)) (\x. f (\y. x x y)) < 1300133317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know if people of inferior intelligecy come here then they'll understand right away that we're better than them so how's that stupid we don't have to listen to their whining. < 1300133340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300133354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm, isn't i t":^"? < 1300133356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1300133356 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case ... < 1300133361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, that's mockingbird < 1300133364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f -> f(f) < 1300133375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right y < 1300133390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see how to do it but < 1300133394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy so i'll use the abstraction elimination rules < 1300133404 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :λalchemy.(λmoonspirit.alchemy (moonspirit moonspirit)) (λastralplane.alchemy (astralplane astralplane)) < 1300133412 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, dammit, you beat me to it. < 1300133420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300133424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ah, that way they REALLY understand our greatness < 1300133428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1300133433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we're speaking their language, but better < 1300133509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*:^) < 1300133511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that might be it < 1300133520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*:^)^ < 1300133521 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1300133522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*:^)^S < 1300133522 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1300133527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*:^)^S < 1300133528 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1300133529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1300133531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE NOT < 1300133569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get what y should even do in ul < 1300133581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's applicative y < 1300133592 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300133597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> (\x -> f (\y -> x x y)) (\x -> f (\y -> x x y)) < 1300133598 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t = t -> t1 -> t2 < 1300133598 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable cause: `x' is applied to too many arguments < 1300133598 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: x x y < 1300133601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1300133614 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300133615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's ∀a.∀b.((a→b)→(a→b))→(a→b). < 1300133617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks wikipedia. < 1300133629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let rec fix f x = f (fix f) x (* note the extra x *) < 1300133629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1300133629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let factabs fact = function (* factabs now has extra level of lambda abstraction *) < 1300133629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 -> 1 < 1300133629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | x -> x * fact (x-1) < 1300133630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1300133632 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i do if apt-get runs out of disk in the middle of an install? would it break my packages to just kill it? < 1300133632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let _ = (fix factabs) 5 (* evaluates to "120" *) < 1300133634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--jewpedia < 1300133645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can probably fit it with dpkg --reconfigure. < 1300133646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it won't break it in an unfixable way < 1300133650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1300133651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1300133656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi ais523 < 1300133663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can leave the packages temporarily broken until dependencies and configurations are fixed, though < 1300133664 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What they said :P < 1300133666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can't seem to work out applicative-order Y in underload < 1300133671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought i had it but i made a mistaek < 1300133679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f. (\x. f (\y. x x y)) (\x. f (\y. x x y)) ;; this 'un < 1300133679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had to shut my computer off in the middle of a distro upgrade < 1300133690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually recovered from that, although I did have to use the command prompt to do so < 1300133695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the GUI wasn't working < 1300133703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"command prompt" < 1300133706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINDOWS USER DETECTED < 1300133715 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUN < 1300133722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I probably used Windows for longer than I've used Linux < 1300133729 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUN < 1300133731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DISOWN'D < 1300133742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that I'm older than you < 1300133747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux hadn't really caught on when I was a child < 1300133754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah well, when i'm older than you < 1300133760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna learn all the linuxes. < 1300133766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (()~a~*)^S < 1300133766 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1300133771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hamper)(()~a~*)^S < 1300133771 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hamper) < 1300133773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hamper)((S)~a~*)^S < 1300133773 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hamper)S < 1300133775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hamper)((S)~a~*)^^ < 1300133775 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamper < 1300133780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, ais523 has used windows? lol what a noob < 1300133797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (( { \x. f (\y. x x y) } )~a~*) < 1300133820 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do i unlock the dpkg directory so i can run it again? < 1300133840 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300133852 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kawagner.blogspot.com/2007/02/why-monads-are-evil.html < 1300133857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this person some kind of moron? < 1300133865 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It can hurt readability: A concrete monad is choosen by the return type of a function. For example a simple 'x <- get' can switch the rest of the do-block into 'state-monad'-land." < 1300133866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there's a lockfile somewhere, I'm not sure where offhand though < 1300133871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I've even used DOS < 1300133875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from before Windows caught on < 1300133878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hello!)(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*)^S < 1300133878 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hello!)(~:^~^)~a~*~^ < 1300133885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hello!)(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*)^^S < 1300133885 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1300133889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (())(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*)^S < 1300133889 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(())(~:^~^)~a~*~^ < 1300133892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I understand correctly, that shouldn't be properly typed in any monad..ic thingy that isn't State < 1300133893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (())(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*)^^S < 1300133894 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1300133896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (())(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*)S < 1300133896 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~* < 1300133899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((a))(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*)S < 1300133900 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~* < 1300133903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((abc))(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*)S < 1300133904 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~* < 1300133907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1300133910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem right at all! < 1300133912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300133915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((abc))(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*)^S < 1300133916 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((abc))(~:^~^)~a~*~^ < 1300133918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((abc))(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*)^^S < 1300133918 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1300133926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*:^) < 1300133939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1300133941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly what i came up with :/ < 1300133976 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i found the file. how to unlock it? (no process is using it) < 1300133987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it empty? if so, just delete it < 1300134030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(!())(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*:^)^ < 1300134030 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1300134032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1300134037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload ()(!())(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*:^)^S < 1300134046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: egobot < 1300134050 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I nose. < 1300134064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just wait 'til relief is done! < 1300134068 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly have no friggin' clue why it's had such trouble remaining connected recently. < 1300134079 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwtf, it IS connected. < 1300134091 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not in #esoteric. < 1300134108 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300134117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not egobot < 1300134127 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLYTHANKS < 1300134151 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's close to being egobot < 1300134159 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they both multibot? < 1300134162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc --version < 1300134185 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1300134206 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, wtf, once again, EgoBot is connected but didn't join. < 1300134217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MULTIBOT SO STABLE < 1300134221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try to learn category theory < 1300134233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should < 1300134234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory <3 < 1300134238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fully, but enough to understand the basics < 1300134253 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where should I start? Is Wikipedia readable on this subject? < 1300134258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mention category theory anywhere, and all the computer scientists in the audience immediately start gushing) < 1300134265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah even my stupid friend can do category theory ;D < 1300134269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure; I haven't looked at the Wikipedia article < 1300134276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unless they're rabid haskell haters < 1300134285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the connection with Haskell I never really get at all < 1300134288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably they don't count as computer scientists :> < 1300134295 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300134297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't connect Haskell concepts to the mathematical concepts they're meant to be based on < 1300134309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoid is easy :P < 1300134312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload ()(!())(((~:^~^)~a~*~^)~a~*:^)^S < 1300134313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL what a noob. i can't either, even though oerjan explained it once < 1300134315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nor can most other computer scientists, by the look of it < 1300134336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it just comes from expecting something deeper than it is. < 1300134345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF TRAC IS ONCE AGAIN PEGGED AT 99% CPU < 1300134345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY TRAC WHY < 1300134348 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trac: it is a pile of garbage. < 1300134353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you get the connection? < 1300134358 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah even my stupid friend can do category theory ;D < 1300134360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in a vague ay < 1300134361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way < 1300134365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MediaWiki does that too < 1300134366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: close enough anyway ;D < 1300134370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's because of you < 1300134371 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I subject it to the ultimate stupid test? < 1300134373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the definition of a category? < 1300134373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it knows it's on your server < 1300134377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so disappointed. < 1300134379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: wut < 1300134385 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, APT Guy. < 1300134398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking elliott i mean < 1300134400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ffff a category is a bunch of objects and morphisms and fff dude < 1300134403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been like 30 hours since i slept < 1300134403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300134406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1300134410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ob < 1300134412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's definitely ob in there < 1300134416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ob everywhere in that bitch < 1300134428 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, drawings. < 1300134431 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With arrows. < 1300134432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1300134435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drawings with arrows. < 1300134437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: satisfied < 1300134437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's just a multi graph with a composition operator < 1300134439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda big < 1300134443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*multigraph < 1300134463 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, i.e. drawings with arrows. < 1300134508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a nice description, but i'm not sure it's a great definition < 1300134533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a category is somethign wit ha lot of pages in it < 1300134552 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1300134613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO SLOW < 1300134650 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's always slow on first load. < 1300134651 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1300134653 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1300134660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: egobot is still going. < 1300134667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it is likely inflooping < 1300134668 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's always slow on first load. < 1300134727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: What day is it kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen? < 1300134752 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 o'clock in the aftertea. < 1300134785 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300134836 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=1M count=10 conv=fdatasync # omfg this has been running for over a minute *sobs* < 1300134856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1300134863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So prgmr, quite shitty eh < 1300134873 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they've decided to be, yes. < 1300134921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is kind of an open-ended question to whoever wants to respond, I'm trying to figure out the best way to manage this situation I'm in: < 1300134921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : explosives < 1300134926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: contact them and get SO MANY REFUNDS < 1300134929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, is this some kind of joke, it's still running. < 1300134929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M TRYING TO WRITE A 10M FILE OF ZEROS < 1300134929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 171.363 s, 61.2 kB/s < 1300134938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1300134946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's slower than my internet connection at the worst of times. < 1300134952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By far. < 1300134967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They've migrated to Cloud(TM)-based storage! < 1300134971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the storage is in Zimbabwe now. < 1300134977 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Somalia < 1300134993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, they just have all the libraries < 1300134998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're loaded every single time a process is spawned < 1300135001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by downloading from .so < 1300135153 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1300135192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's the Future < 1300135198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: gnu are bidding on libc.so themselves < 1300135203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: as are microsoft < 1300135266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder if libc.so actually exists < 1300135271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whoises
< 1300135286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This TLD has no whois server." < 1300135290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :short and to the point < 1300135297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: .so is new < 1300135300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is in the auction for it < 1300135307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a closed auction, he signed up for libc.so < 1300135309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so did other people < 1300135311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's gone to auction < 1300135319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1300135322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1300135329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: .so = Somalia, they've only recently had something that could call itself enough of a government to get their tld activated :) < 1300135352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed = Somalia < 1300135388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this we can conclude that the soviet union still exists < 1300135495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thirteen people. < 1300135507 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Taking donations to help me buy it! :P < 1300135517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of auction is it? < 1300135520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The benefit of donating is a snazzy @libc.so email address! < 1300135533 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Closed, anonymous, proxy bidding allowed. < 1300135544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know each other's bids? < 1300135544 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-secret < 1300135557 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"non-secret" < 1300135579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that before you posted your reply, or at least before it arrived at my client < 1300135587 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm lagged all to hell X_X < 1300135616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's the current bid, or has it not started yet :P < 1300135621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, the auction hasn't opened yet, I'm trying to raise capital before it does. < 1300135630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, holy crap, this thing is gonna make somalia so much money :D < 1300135653 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't say that, I want it to sell for an amount I can buy it for X-P < 1300135660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the domain shit in general < 1300135660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sale of .tv gave a fortune to each Tuvaluan citizen < 1300135667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you realise that one corporate bidder means you're screwed? < 1300135671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yup. < 1300135687 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My only prayer there is the fact that it really has no corporate value. < 1300135693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I believe .tk made a lot of money/infrastructure for Tokelau too, but that was .tk advertising, so maybe exaggerating < 1300135702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We live in Web 2.0. < 1300135709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And? It still has no corporate value. < 1300135711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never even heard of Tokelau < 1300135715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has marketing value. < 1300135721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it doesn't. < 1300135734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're the island that decided that they really didn't need a cctld, so it's ok if a company gave them away for free < 1300135734 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, are we referring to libc.so or .so in general? :P < 1300135737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: libc.so < 1300135743 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it has zero marketing value. < 1300135743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has marketing value IN THE MINDS OF IDIOTIC IDIOTS. < 1300135751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is where you should assume the worst in people. < 1300135771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hope those idiotic idiots don't find it until later < 1300135776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can sell it to them for a fortune < 1300135787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would yo uever sell that! < 1300135788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nerd cred < 1300135793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells everyone < 1300135794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a fortune, obviously < 1300135796 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get it, I wouldn't sell it for less than six digits :P < 1300135799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like dynamic libraries, because i'm lame < 1300135803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can buy it back again after their idiotic company collapses < 1300135809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll give you $99,999 < 1300135827 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TOO FEW DIGITS and also I didn't say I'd sell it for ANY six-digit value. < 1300135839 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't own it. < 1300135839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Too few digits on purpose :P < 1300135846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not believe and do not believe that you value it more than $99,999 < 1300135847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, I honestly think I have a so-so chance of getting it at this point. < 1300135858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, optimism is good for you. < 1300135862 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could even say.... .so.so. < 1300135868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even hopeless, naive optimisim.jf < 1300135870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kickban Phantom__Hoover / < 1300135884 0 :marian_30!~Florin@82.77.116.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300135898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it depends on if everyone else is also there just on the offchance < 1300135921 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, seriously, it's not naive at all. We're talking about a domain name that has nerd cred but absolutely no commercial value, with thirteen bidders in a closed auction, and with only people who happened to notice its availability in a brief window. < 1300135921 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marian_30, just to make sure, we aren't neopagans. < 1300135932 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, we're talking about the intersection of domain name nerds and Unix nerds. < 1300135940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marian_30: We're NEONEOpagans. < 1300135951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: that's a strange statement to make to someone who hasn't even spoken yet < 1300135952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I bet SCO are bidding < 1300135957 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dude, you're still at neoneo? I've evolved to neoneoneo. < 1300135965 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But WHY? < 1300135968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at neo^\omega pagans of the iag neo om < 1300135968 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, after last time... < 1300135969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ek < 1300135973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone bid $8 or some similarly small amount for all SCO's assets < 1300135974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: YOU RUIN OUR FUNSTERS < 1300135995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41:29 I agree that there's no chance of it taking over the world < 1300135995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41:46 I think there's a marginal chance it'll lead to Wolfram being booted from the internet, but for unrelated reasons < 1300135996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41:53 ais523: huh? < 1300135996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:42:11 you'll see later on, if they still have the feature I'm thinking of < 1300136000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what was that feature? (context: W|A) < 1300136016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, portscanning arbitrary sites that were entered into its = box < 1300136024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's amazing < 1300136039 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, think about it, what benefit does the domain name libc.so confer to e.g. SCO? Or even a legitimate company? Nobody's going to type libc.so into their web browser and go "WOW I SHOULD BUY THIS UNIX LOL" < 1300136055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MARKETING IS NOT BASED ON THE PRINCIPELS OF LOGIC AND SEN < 1300136056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :se < 1300136059 0 :marian_30!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300136067 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY A NEOPAGAN < 1300136075 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But it IS based on money, and nobody's going to sink money into a completely valueless proposition! < 1300136084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Apart from IDIOTS. < 1300136099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And who are the kind of people who would bid on an auction for libc.so? < 1300136099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDIOTS < 1300136110 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intersection of domain name nerds and Unix nerds. < 1300136119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say, nerds. < 1300136121 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say, people who either have little or a LOT of money :P < 1300136134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YOU KEEP IGNORING THE _IDIOTS_ < 1300136139 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you're in the former category. < 1300136148 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Idiots don't know what libc.so is! < 1300136152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Gregor has a little amount of money :P < 1300136169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: Idiots don't know what libc.so is! < 1300136172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WANNA BET < 1300136179 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case in point: APT Guy. < 1300136200 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, whotf is "APT Guy" < 1300136235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He is known only as APT GUY < 1300136243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MEANING OF HIS CRYPTIC NAME IS UNKNOWN < 1300136256 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has a name but it's trivially Googleable and he goes to the same school as me, so... < 1300136289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gahh, I wish I could have a machine where the whole Linux audio/video stack was NOT horribly out-of-sync. < 1300136303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does PulseAudio even MANAGE to be so TERRIBLE? < 1300136472 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, APT Guy is a guy at my school who is basically a script kiddie who convinced the Ubuntu guys to let him have fairly high-level APT access. < 1300136479 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God only knows how. < 1300136506 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300136522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know wtf pat access is < 1300136527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pta access < 1300136529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooaejoiwroijroj a,p,tpo < 1300136536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :````````1234567 < 1300136537 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1300136544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really hate keyboards < 1300136553 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it means he can apply other people's patches. < 1300136563 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also his own patches very occasionally. < 1300136566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACKDOOR TIEM < 1300136627 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1300136632 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300136635 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except someone might notice. < 1300136657 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's also a Pythonista, but I wasn't able to use him to save cpressey. < 1300136730 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sobs quietly
< 1300136738 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1300136791 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the Society of Creative Anachronism? I know of one of their games. < 1300136833 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell < 1300136886 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A game was made for them, called Ludus Equitum. It can be played with a normal chess set and some dice. < 1300136894 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, about cpressey or...? < 1300136909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: unignoe zzo38 hesz fun < 1300136919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zs howsa now replacded 's < 1300136921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sz < 1300136923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatis < 1300136926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1300136931 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or about yesserpc? < 1300136932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatsz the prblem with that i ask!! < 1300136961 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the SoCA game zzo knew of < 1300136965 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ludus equitum < 1300137014 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300137029 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: You roll the dice 2d6 and the number that comes up tells you what kind of pieces you are allowed to move. You can make up to 2 moves in one turn. Win by capturing opponent's king. < 1300137101 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300137112 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc chess originally had some rule like that? < 1300137117 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in european varieties? < 1300137130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300137135 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R=King, Q=Queen, L=Laurel, P=Pelican, E=Knight, M=Fighter, A=Squire. (Use the rook for P, bishop for L, pawn for M.) In this notation, FEN setup is "1eerqlp1/1mmmmmm1/8/8/8/8/1MMMMMM1/1PLQREE1". < 1300137151 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Some old chess game did have dice. This is a bit different though. < 1300137177 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so it has fairy chess pieces too? < 1300137215 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300137223 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be interesting to make something more go-like with dice < 1300137269 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like, only one kind of piece, but such that the wrong number of stones n the board can turn out fatal if you have certain structures < 1300137277 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the wrong number comes up on the dice < 1300137285 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with another number can turn out v. good < 1300137325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be hard to manage, I think, but probably interesting if it could be managed < 1300137352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps go where you roll a d6, your new stone has to be next to (the result - 1) other stones, color doesn't matter < 1300137376 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300137377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1300137382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just copied somethign to the licpboard < 1300137387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbabbed over to my browser < 1300137390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost fell asleep half way < 1300137392 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300137394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :came backt o my senses < 1300137396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li0vnjLRLg1qh25w2o1_500.jpg < 1300137398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought me going to google something was a dream < 1300137400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most awesome cat ever/ < 1300137403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am extremely tired... < 1300137432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for what reason are you awake? < 1300137439 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Q and L move one space diagonal, P one space orthogonal, M like the pawn in chess but no double step, R like king in chess (but is permitted to be in check), A the same. M promotes only to A. The numbers on dice you can move: 1=RQ 2=RQ 3=PL 4=M 5=EA 6=EA. < 1300137440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inability to sleep? being busy? < 1300137443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perversity? < 1300137452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: according to stephen wolfram, it is 9 am in 12 hours < 1300137457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as such, I will be going to bed within the hour < 1300137471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the anticipation that I will sleep for approximately that time, and wake up at a sane time < 1300137477 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523,Zwaarddijk: Yes that is an idea about Go with dice. < 1300137480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12's a bit low, I think < 1300137487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my record's 23 < 1300137496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 14 is my record, and only once < 1300137502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 is what I get in cases of extreme sleep deprivation < 1300137513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 23 was pretty extreme for me < 1300137514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 in moderate sleep deprivation < 1300137515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 normally < 1300137520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 was horrible < 1300137521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt dead < 1300137546 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after two weeks of extremely dutiful living, I slept 23 hours one day < 1300137550 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 17 hours the next < 1300137590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "dutiful" in this context? < 1300137603 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fulfilling duties to various associations < 1300137613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1300137621 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300137635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was a little lost-in-translation without the clarification < 1300137637 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viz. the association of comp.sci students at åbo akademi, and the student orchestra < 1300137650 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was not meant to be losslessly translated < 1300137673 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in fact an expression that wouldn't've worked in Swedish. point was: doing what you're supposed to isn't always smart < 1300137708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I try to reduce the number of obligations I have in such cases < 1300137727 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I am not cut out to be a leader. < 1300137741 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was essentially the chairman of the orchestra < 1300137744 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't delegate anything < 1300137747 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did everything myself < 1300137758 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a ZRF implementation of this SCA game. http://www.chessvariants.org/membergraphics/MZludusequitum/LudusEquitum.zrf (Zillions is not particularly good software, but way better than nothing.) < 1300137758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1300137797 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300137804 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for our big annual concerto < 1300137840 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g228063052.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300137843 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What music do you play in that orchestra? < 1300137862 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially, my days during two weeks consisted of: waking up, getting a cup of coffee, running errands, getting cups of coffee in between errands, eating something, going to comp.sci.association ball-week events, coming home in the middle of the night, ... < 1300137880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1300137902 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big band jazz, some funk, some rockabilly, some modern stuff - the annual concerto usually has some theme like "80s music" or "latin american stuff" or "sweden" or "secret agents" < 1300137965 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play the jazz guitar - but I've not played there for about a year. also, my musical interests have veered into microtonality a bit too far to be compatible with any orchestra < 1300137970 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300137977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that most instruments can't play it < 1300137988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ones that can, need people so insanely skilled to play them that it's not worth it? < 1300137989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: according to stephen wolfram, it is 9 am in 12 hours < 1300137996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You go to school, yes? < 1300138012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: really need to sleep < 1300138018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1300138047 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah, trombones, trumpets and fretless string instruments do microtones trivially < 1300138062 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saxophones I think are a bit less trivial, but still doable without too much effort < 1300138067 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also worked with some non-12TET music, although I did them by computer. < 1300138082 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have I, but I got bored with doing them by computer < 1300138086 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I defretted a guitar :) < 1300138105 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do sometimes still use a midi keyboard for it, but it feels weird not to have the octave-pattern repeat) < 1300138107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: turku? < 1300138112 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think flutes can do it as well. < 1300138114 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: yes. < 1300138121 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an idea too. Then you can readd frets to the notes that you want it to play instead? < 1300138122 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, oklopol :yes < 1300138134 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also retune the strings for the new notes. < 1300138149 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I could tie some thing there, sure, but I jsut leave it fretless and play by ear < 1300138238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: me 2, that's why < 1300138245 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool < 1300138252 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :university of turku? < 1300138255 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would df show the used and available 1k blocks not adding up to the total size? < 1300138265 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've deleted a bunch of packages, but available blocks is still 0 < 1300138270 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used is going down < 1300138272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, university of turku < 1300138276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i practically live there < 1300138296 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :älä vaan sano että sä oot asteriski < 1300138336 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ict:n kellarissahan asuu niitä jonkun verran < 1300138349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olin asteriski, mutta k��nnyin matemaatikoksi < 1300138352 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorrry for the moon-language, people) < 1300138361 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, onneks olkoon! < 1300138369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en harrasta opiskelijael�m��, asun ty�huoneessani < 1300138412 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just niin. tutkija vai onko sulla jopa opettajan virka? < 1300138434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*jopa* opettajan virka" :D < 1300138437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tutkija olen < 1300138446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear I've just witnessed a pun I don't get at all < 1300138457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja opiskelija, en ole viel� maisteri. < 1300138463 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohho. < 1300138477 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ite kirjoitan vasta nyt kandin < 1300138490 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vaikk olen opiskellut vuodelta 2003) < 1300138498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no not really, he just asked me if i'm a researcher, or even a teacher. which i disagreed with since being a teacher is a lesser job. < 1300138515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the amusing thing is, most channels would just go "this is an English-speaking channel" in that situation; here, a) nobody cares, and b) nobody could truthfully make that statement anyway) < 1300138516 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teachers have better contracts, though < 1300138517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: itse aloitin 2008 < 1300138532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gradun sain valmiiksi viime viikolla < 1300138535 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ensimmäiset kaksi vuotta opiskelin toki venäjää < 1300138538 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300138551 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja sen jälkeen oon ollut pari vuotta nokian tehtaan lattialla < 1300138555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300138556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300138584 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mistä kirjoitit? < 1300138594 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-205-33.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300138598 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kandini on P=?NPstä < 1300138625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gradu on kuvakielist�. < 1300138627 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tällä hetkellä näyttää siitä että yritän selittää (ja ymmärtää) miksi relativisointi ei auta < 1300138645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai? wtf, kenelle teet? < 1300138663 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mikä handledare on suomeksi < 1300138669 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advisor < 1300138683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :��. no mik�s se nyt on... < 1300138684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300138690 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on uh Ion Petre, ÅA:n tietojenkäsittelytieteen proffa < 1300138710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai �A:lla on tietojenk�sittelytiedett� :D < 1300138715 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :onpas. < 1300138721 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyt se on nimeltään datavetenskap < 1300138733 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ennen vanhaan - sillon kun mä aloitin se oli "informationsbehandling2 < 1300138736 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1300138765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ohjaaja" < 1300138775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :se on termi < 1300138778 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1300138793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tulee melkein englantia puhuttua enemm�n liven�kin < 1300138798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kun t�iss� kaikki ulkomaalaisia < 1300138818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, paitsi muut opiskelijat, mutta en k�y kauheasti luennoilla < 1300138821 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :miten matematiikassa saa kuvakielistä gradua aikaan? < 1300138825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, translate! < 1300138835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siten ett� kuvakielet ovat formaalien kielten alalaji < 1300138847 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odotas hetki < 1300138853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meill� tehd��n matematiikan laitoksella aika paljon teoreettista cs:�� < 1300138861 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mite "kuvakieli" tarkkaan on englanniksi? < 1300138863 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mitä < 1300138864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :picture language < 1300138888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedian artikkeli on aika <3 < 1300138907 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, en tiennytkään että semmosta käsitettä on olemassakaan < 1300138911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei kukaan tied� < 1300138929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seh�n siin� hienoa onkin kun avoimet ongelmat on ihan vitun helppoja ratkoa kun niit� on 5 ihmist� yritt�nyt < 1300138938 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What links here kertoo kuinka moni tietää < 1300138956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP I AM TRAPPED IN A FINNPOCALYPSE < 1300138969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kannattaa my�s huomata wp:n artikkelin referenssilista, hofl ja sitten joku aivan vitun random sivu :D < 1300138985 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: munkin pitäisi löytää semmosta tieteen ala < 1300139004 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*alaa < 1300139024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: no eik�s se P?=NP ole juuri sellainen < 1300139028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ket��n kiinnosta vittuakaan < 1300139033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.D < 1300139057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty absurd < 1300139061 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1300139067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean this finnish < 1300139083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS TOO MUCH AND ALL THE LETTERS ARE DOUBLE AAAA < 1300139109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 't' in 'letters' is double < 1300139117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the o in too is too < 1300139130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the 'l' in 'all' < 1300139140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "aa" in "aaaa". < 1300139142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the AA in AAAA < 1300139143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300139193 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's worst though, si the graphical resemblance between w and vv < 1300139195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: taking any math courses atm by any chance? :D < 1300139203 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1300139211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, oklopol frowns on you. < 1300139211 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, one that I should've gotten done years ago < 1300139217 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrices II < 1300139225 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300139227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FROWNS < 1300139243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :�a math is pretty bleh < 1300139255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :åa math? < 1300139263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :�a is the university Zwaarddijk is in < 1300139269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in utu < 1300139287 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You. Have. A. University. Called. åa. < 1300139290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the buildings are hundreds of meters away from each other < 1300139296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Finland except the bits that suck. < 1300139299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, a spectacle. < 1300139307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's the abbrev < 1300139307 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: except the comp.sci parts and the biochemistry parts < 1300139314 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the buildings are merged. < 1300139318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300139319 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a terribly unholy thing < 1300139324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1300139333 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like I dunno, a white and a darkie marrying :| < 1300139341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lesser universities should stay out of wait actually even utu sucks except for the math dep < 1300139371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: � isn't even a finnish letter, �a is the swedish university. < 1300139380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK. < 1300139385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Åbo Akademi, it's a Finnish/Swedish place. < 1300139397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly swedish/english < 1300139400 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, what's the lowest Erdös number in UTU? < 1300139406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1300139408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't like Sweden, it created Vorpal. < 1300139416 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we've got nothing to do with Sweden < 1300139425 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we Finnish Swedes hate on it even more than the Finns < 1300139432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you speak their language. < 1300139435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least sort of.) < 1300139445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, suggest you pick on Vorpal. < 1300139445 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of. but they speak a diluted terrible version :| < 1300139453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I've heard mix in Finnish words about half the time. < 1300139466 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1300139474 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's cool :) < 1300139500 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think ÅA has at least 4 as the lowest, but it might be 3, not entirely sure. < 1300139514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4?? < 1300139524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend with a lower Bacon number than that. < 1300139563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is your math courses are rather uninteresting, and therefore utu > �a < 1300139575 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1300139582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Erkki Oja from our place has an Erdös number of at most 4 (according to some online thing). < 1300139584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The okloverse has maths and nothing else. < 1300139585 0 :leBMD!~chatzilla@67-2-155-67.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300139592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And he's not a mathematician at all.) < 1300139603 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mine's 6 now via that path.) < 1300139605 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :åa's comp.sci. department sucks pretty bad as well < 1300139606 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1300139614 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were going to arrange a course on complexity this spring < 1300139620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: link? i can check the ones that could be small here < 1300139625 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but had only one professor knowledgeable enough about it < 1300139627 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he was too busy < 1300139634 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300139636 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ilkka Niemelä has 3 < 1300139652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: we currently have a course on that stuff < 1300139653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think I used http://www.ams.org/mathscinet/collaborationDistance.html -- it has the "Use Erdös" button there. < 1300139693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty simple stuff tho < 1300139727 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I figure it is - in the reading up on teh state of complexity theory for my kandi, I've been able to predict stuff tht's coming up in the book about a chapter ahead of it < 1300139730 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even two at times < 1300139736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my employer has 3, so i'll have 4 soon prolly < 1300139738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kandi? < 1300139748 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bachelor's thesis < 1300139748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bachelor's degree < 1300139751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thesis < 1300139757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly thesis < 1300139817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: what are you reading? < 1300139852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the course is simple because we're just doing the basic np completeness stuff, complexity theory itself is rather vast already < 1300139857 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300139859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read complexity theory companion? < 1300139877 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1300139896 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papadimitriou's Computational Complexity < 1300139899 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1300139917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the leader of the math dep has erdos number 2 < 1300139941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's really basic stuff yeah < 1300139942 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, quick, publish something trivial with him. < 1300140004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is better than fizzie's already < 1300140013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fine with that < 1300140049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as oerjan's < 1300140057 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300140075 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-41.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300140077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the erdos distance is a bit weird tho, i'd prefer publishing alone < 1300140082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300140150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's fizzie's? < 1300140156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 iirc < 1300140163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tut tut tut. < 1300140164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said it 10 lines ago or something < 1300140276 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300140324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, mines is less than 6. < 1300140340 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 is the upper bound I know, MathSciNet's thing doesn't really do computer science and related fields so there might be a less circuitous path. < 1300140361 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is 4. < 1300140373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol vs. Gregor: IT'S ON < 1300140383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, i don't even have an erdos number yet tho < 1300140399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 4 is likely to happen soonish < 1300140422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if Gregor is 4, then that's less than nothing < 1300140455 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me -> Jan Vitek -> Nir Shavit -> Michael E. Saks -> Erdos < 1300140540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The path I know goes me -> Kurimo, Mikko -> Oja, Erkki -> Cooper, Leon N. -> Zeitouni, Ofer -> Diaconis, Persi W. -> Erdös. < 1300140549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of ->s. < 1300140636 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me -> Heljanko, Keijo -> Niemelä, Ilkka N. F. -> Przymusiński, Teodor C. -> Rudin, Mary Ellen -> Erdős < 1300140806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You academics and your Erdṏs numbers. < 1300140820 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I cannot be bothered to work out the right compose sequence. < 1300140878 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tildes and diæreses can be stacked is enough. < 1300141253 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-76.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300141263 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300141264 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300142030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric should write an academic paper together. < 1300142066 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel as though I'd be unable to contribute < 1300142075 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I would like to try < 1300142139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your number one problem is taking your dad's word for everything. < 1300142155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd suggest you fix the typos but oerjan has more experience than you at that. < 1300142158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your number *two* problem is being convinced that you have no intellectual ability. < 1300142231 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced I have no intellectual ability. Just that it is firmly sandwiched with #esoteric absolutely above, and RL people absolutely below < 1300142242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd be wrong there, as well. < 1300142264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm real i even have a skin < 1300142265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just noticing that some of us are *absurdly* good. :P < 1300142292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do not include myself in the set of "absurdly good". Perhaps "pretty damn smart".) < 1300142397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my procrastination makes "absurdly good"... Not quite applicable.) < 1300142490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to think i was smart but i don't think i think that anymore < 1300142599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm smart, and that fucking disappoints me. < 1300142607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm certainly good at some stuff, but i think it's more because i actively train those abilities hours and hours every day < 1300142616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should *not* be smart. But holy fucking *hell* almost everyone is completely and utterly STUPID. < 1300142640 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300142645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suppose it's not that I consider myself smart as it is that I consider a good 9/10ths of humanity depressingly retarded. < 1300142675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well i suppose that's close to my viewpoint < 1300142835 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300142968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300143766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Dang* profile-guided optimisation can make an absurd difference. < 1300143779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is running bsnes, accuracy profile, in realtime.
< 1300144140 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300144291 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300144521 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300145134 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300145247 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEARTATO < 1300145322 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you read sate? < 1300145324 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. satw < 1300145570 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, do multi-tape automata for weaker architectures than the turing machine gain anything compared to single-tape versions? < 1300145616 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, weaker automatons < 1300145803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can even make them TC in some cases < 1300145810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you can construct a Minsky machine counter out of one tape < 1300146012 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I kind of guessed that a pushdown automaton probably can be made TC < 1300146035 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't taken to proving it yet < 1300146089 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to kill a process that kill -STOP and kill -KILL won't kill? < 1300146166 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess reboot'll do it... :P < 1300146826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: kill its parents < 1300146843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a zombie, waiting to be reached < 1300146849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill -STOP never kills anything, btw < 1300146851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to be reaped < 1300147212 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300147262 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300147321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If you're desperate, kill init. < 1300147330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300147345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what an isomorphism is. I think. < 1300147355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's as far as I got < 1300147362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: may cause kernel panic on a certain prevalent Unixoid) < 1300147408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, my understanding seems a bit.. trivial. For a function to be an isomorphism (I'm sure function isn't the right word), it just has to avoid destroying information (and possibly creating, I'm not sure)? < 1300147524 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do on Unixoids that aren't that certain prevalent Unixoid? < 1300147599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, reboot. < 1300147609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1300147844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-sysrq-i kills init without crashing the kernel on Linux < 1300147855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it makes it a bit hard to use your system after that < 1300147896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but that's not sending SIG_TERM, is it? < 1300147901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or SIG_KILL. < 1300147931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "kill all processes", I'm not sure if it actually sends sigkill or not < 1300148389 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | wjat < 1300148590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300149858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAS KITTY < 1300149898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ニャア〜 < 1300150136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. In the UK, technically the Crown in Right of the UK actually owns all land, and everyone else leases. < 1300150197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most such land holdings are made effectively eternal, can be passed on, sold, etc., only going back to the Crown in case of death with no heirs or will. < 1300150215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, huh. < 1300150244 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens in the US in the same situation? < 1300150288 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, response to my isomorphism question < 1300150289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300150513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Building on Kummer's work and using sophisticated computer studies, other mathematicians were able to prove the conjecture for all odd primes up to four million." < 1300150530 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.... that seems somewhat redundant < 1300150549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the state, it seems. < 1300150627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, in *most* states, the state government will then become owner of the estate. < 1300150700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid PDF reader < 1300150745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some PDF I now have about category theory says that many of its examples willnot be useful to thoe not aquainted with undergraduate level real analysis and modern algbra < 1300150750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what's "modern" algebra? < 1300150770 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Partial differential equations. < 1300150788 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... seen partial derivatives < 1300150788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern algebra, of course, deals with various abstract algebras. < 1300150810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to the single elementary algebra you are no doubt familiar with) < 1300150932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a little about sets < 1300151038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to put this down for a long while, I think < 1300151069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, you'd be having no problem with this if you were in a real CS program. < 1300151183 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Khan Academy has a lot of stuff about linear algebra < 1300151365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also has stuff on Differential Equations < 1300151389 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g224203174.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300151564 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300151614 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300151840 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300152010 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solutions to differential equations are funtions or classes of functions, not numbers < 1300152015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzz..... < 1300152070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beats Sgeo with calculus
< 1300152077 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1300152081 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be a constant function < 1300152113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will this differential equation stuff get into material that's not intutive given a bit of thought? < 1300152133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quickly. < 1300152175 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will there be trigonometry? I hate trig < 1300152429 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The playlist is only about ordinary differential equations < 1300152963 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300153270 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partial differential equations is where math started ignoring our safe word and things got a bit unpleasant. < 1300153275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me anyway. < 1300153713 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1300154017 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin :| < 1300154023 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo! < 1300154026 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup? < 1300154033 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets ling! < 1300154049 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really busy these days, which is why I haven't been on IRC much :) < 1300154051 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1300154051 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1300154056 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple of days from now maybe? < 1300154057 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chu up to? < 1300154059 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big deadline on wednesday < 1300154060 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure sure < 1300154063 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1300154070 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, big work deadline and my gf was visiting for past week too < 1300154081 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no time to fart around at work and then wasn't on my computer much in the evenings :) < 1300154093 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why i dont have a boyfriend < 1300154096 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300154100 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have no time for fun stuff < 1300154518 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300155774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be damned. When I wasn't looking, link-time optimisation got usable. < 1300155850 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC 4.6 (currently in development) has it non-buggy, and GNU ld 2.21.51 supports linker plugins for it to work without having to deal with a somewhat buggy linker. < 1300155859 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300155898 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300155917 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300155926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This *also* means that building with clang or gcc-llvm will have LTO work much better. < 1300156004 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would anyone use GHC under Wine? < 1300156012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanting to compile Windows Haskell programs? < 1300156044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe that is the use-case desired, yes. < 1300156287 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300158700 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300160711 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1300161541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300161565 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Khan Academy: When I click on Excersizes, could you please not assume that everyone is at the Addition 1 level? < 1300161582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, too hard for you? :P < 1300161643 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a natural law < 1300161651 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that states that educational websites have to be stupid < 1300161660 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universities are a prime example < 1300161692 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their computer support staff probably gets bonuses depending on who comes up with the stupidest design idea for the uni website < 1300161725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm convinced that universities hire their dropouts to do websites. < 1300161779 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun thing at my uni - most departments' websites are easiest to find through a link chain going like main page->faculties->departments-> < 1300161788 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you go ->courses < 1300161802 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you end back at the bottom of a ->faculties->departments thingy *again* < 1300161832 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you should be clever enough to remember the url to the bottom of that last hierarchy, but ... < 1300161846 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens that I would want to open that when I'm at a computer where my bookmarks are not present < 1300161877 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bunch of other similar doubled hierarchies in some other places (but none of those are universally broken - some parts of the portal get that right) < 1300161949 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300162028 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300162222 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300163455 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300163466 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-78.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300163493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300164078 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly does terminfo work anyways. < 1300164177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't feel like cleaning up dog vomit right now. < 1300164956 0 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300164977 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300165111 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300165665 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300166061 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300166204 0 :p_q!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300166464 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300166476 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300166508 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300166572 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300167169 0 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300167263 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300167728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:20:08 it stands for oerjan's punnes terribales < 1300167729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:20:13 it's french you uncultured fuck < 1300167742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure there should be no a in the second word < 1300167769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, NEEDS MORE MANGLED LANGUAGE EXPANSIONS < 1300167772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MOAR < 1300167814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*except for the plentiful puns involving cannibals. < 1300168004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol, quick, publish something trivial with him. < 1300168009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T YOU DARE < 1300168025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOUR ERDOS NUMBER BECOMES LESS THAN MINE WE SHALL BECOME BITTER ENEMIES < 1300168186 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300168378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ERDŐS < 1300168506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300168514 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1300168829 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300168887 0 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-197.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300168888 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking of putting up some puzzles on my website < 1300168907 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of mathematical sort of < 1300168954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION resurrects Erdős
< 1300168957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUAHAHAHA < 1300168974 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of my profs have relatively small erdos numbers < 1300168987 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: crap, give me a few years to start doing original research, ok < 1300169013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I intend to write a paper with him on the process of resurrection. < 1300169030 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius < 1300169032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His input as the first person to have been resurrected by technology will, no doubt, be quite helpful. < 1300169044 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I know < 1300169045 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chomsky has an erdos number of 4, so lasnik has an erdos number of 5 < 1300169046 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what if he is resurrected by theology instead! < 1300169049 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lasnik is one of my profs < 1300169071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Then Erdős would be the Second Coming of the Christ. < 1300169081 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have met someone whose wife is a 2 < 1300169104 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wow < 1300169136 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Erdös is of Jewish decent, so ... I guess we need to bring out our lulav and esrog and all that jazz and go sing hosiannah son of david at his grave? < 1300169147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: So's Jesus. < 1300169153 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's my point. < 1300169169 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows with those guys, every second one turns out to be a messiah :| < 1300169173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, the Erdős numbering is going to get absurd if it keeps up for a few generations. Imagine one's Erdős number being limited by the *generations it's been* since Erdős lived. < 1300169192 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: precisely why I need to minimize my own < 1300169193 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erdös numbers should be generalized < 1300169199 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: im sure one could generalize it to factor that out < 1300169200 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can sum up all the paths by which you get one < 1300169205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/erdös/Erdős/ < 1300169211 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by some function < 1300169218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö ≠ ő < 1300169222 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where people end up getting erdös numbers less than one < 1300169223 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you have a generational erdos number dependent on the minimum overlap of some sort < 1300169231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: No, seriously, ö ≠ ő < 1300169249 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the earliest you could reasonably have coauthored with someone with an erdos number would make that number relatively 0 < 1300169253 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: using flows, perhaps < 1300169256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah what we need is just another obsessed drug-addicted math genius to overshadow erdős < 1300169258 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the minimum of such numbers < 1300169273 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can try to be the first two < 1300169275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Shame that those don't come often. < 1300169278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the last one < 1300169283 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the second to last one :( < 1300169286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A genuine shame. < 1300169307 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning universal algebra and category theory are hard enough < 1300169314 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: it every branching the value splits evenly among the branches and every new node it increases by 1. your number is the minimum over all paths. < 1300169335 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300169340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so you can sum up all the paths by which you get one <-- wouldn't that be more appropriate for a Feynman number < 1300169400 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is that the feynmanian interpretation of erdos numbers? :x < 1300169412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you'd want to add some complex phase factor < 1300169418 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed that erdos was more prolific than feynman < 1300169429 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1300169436 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was making reference to feynmans interpretation of quantum mechanics < 1300169440 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the branching has more effect there < 1300169443 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was oerjan < 1300169453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300169459 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was replying to oerjan < 1300169462 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were completely correct < 1300169463 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300169537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that Feynman has an Erdös Number of 3." < 1300169844 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting! < 1300169854 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lasnik has a minimum feynman number of 8! < 1300169859 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my example of a way of allowing branching to occur does not let you get numbers less than 1 though if people are nodes, unless you allow per-paper multi-edges < 1300169902 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost got an erdos number once >.> < 1300169913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300169914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i don't think it's cool to calculate feynman numbers in the exact same way as erdős numbers except for starting with feynman, though < 1300169915 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do have one < 1300169917 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, infinite < 1300169926 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is for me! < 1300169926 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity is not a number < 1300169932 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes it is < 1300169943 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in the extended reals < 1300169959 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but erdos numbers are integers < 1300169967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every number person should have their own, curiously relevant rule for it < 1300169978 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | ais523, err, how could you know the seed < 1300169979 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: extended naturals* < 1300169995 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: there is no reason to assume those < 1300169999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly cannot help considering the number associated to a porn star
< 1300170002 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my number would have been 3 < 1300170003 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough shit < 1300170003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eight factorial is an astounding lower bound. < 1300170004 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do < 1300170008 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the papers never went anywhere < 1300170011 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i gave up < 1300170020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you should find the kind of rule used there obvious... < 1300170022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, upper bound. < 1300170057 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: from wikipedia: "A person with no such coauthorship chain connecting to Erdős has an Erdős number of infinity (or an undefined one)." < 1300170081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "Easy" way to get a low Erdős number: prove some conjecture. Thereby be guaranteed a well-known math career. Viola. < 1300170102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: cello < 1300170109 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the "undefined" interpretation would be simpler. it allows you to say "i don't have one" which is more straightforward than "mine is infinity" < 1300170124 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well im an ass. < 1300170165 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but i gave up on a math career < 1300170181 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who has two thumbs and will never prove the UGC? < 1300170206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGC? < 1300170211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn acronyms < 1300170295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shame that all the easy proofs have been done already. :P < 1300170308 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not in all fields, though < 1300170321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ides of march it is < 1300170333 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to come up with a good new field that sounds reasonably useful, and prove some trivial shit in it < 1300170359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be. 'Tis the ides of March. < 1300170366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, if anything such a field is even harder < 1300170374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to come up with < 1300170503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ye be Caeser, beware! < 1300170521 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i was trying to find a way to learn an intersection of 2 half-spaces in polynomial time < 1300170541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs Vorpal =|==/
< 1300170560 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those problems that's trivial in low dimension, and ridiculously hard in n dimensions < 1300170583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is that supposed to be? < 1300170586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why < 1300170599 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a shank < 1300170613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a knife you see before you < 1300170626 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was no good reason for it < 1300170645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *dagger < 1300170663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a perfectly good reason, < 1300170663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why is it made of rubber? < 1300170671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis the Ides of March! < 1300170677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you stole it from a theatre right? < 1300170681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it < 1300170694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but... it worked in hamlet! < 1300170704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1300170743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fail. < 1300170750 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is not caesar! < 1300170771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The play you're referencing is "The Tragedy of Julius Caesar". < 1300170777 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :january february march april may june vorpal inane september... < 1300170782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "Ides of March"+ < 1300170785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1300170794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: March 15th is the Ides of March. < 1300170795 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today < 1300170804 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning? < 1300170820 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Id. Mar.=Mar. 15=Id. Mar. < 1300170821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no no i mean using a theatre dagger worked in hamlet < 1300170825 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing more to it than that < 1300170830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1300170834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl university < 1300170835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1300170861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Meaning you need to watch some Shakespeare, man. < 1300170871 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: iirc the most dramatic deaths there involved poison: poison in the ear, in the drink, on the tip of the foil < 1300170880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't need to watch it, just absorb some memes like i < 1300170908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shakespeare is genuinely enjoyable when performed, though. It's just insanely boring when read. < 1300170913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then mangle them horribly < 1300170919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it boggles the mind that English classes actually freaking read them. < 1300170931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading scripts to plays. < 1300170939 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took a class on shakespeare < 1300170957 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the class requirements were to go see like 3 different live performances < 1300170964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Good work. < 1300170973 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this class happened in england, so it wasn't hard to find live performances < 1300170985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it'd be pretty hard to find that in the US. < 1300170997 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw pericles, as you like it, and ... something else < 1300171021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like you're at most a couple hundred miles from Stratford upon Avon here. < 1300171023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is nothing more to it than that <-- well there is, the roman way of numbering dates was weird < 1300171029 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also went to see a performance of romeo and juliet live in atlanta for one of my classes in high school or middle school... < 1300171036 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a shakespeare tavern here < 1300171050 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do matinees for kiddies on field trips < 1300171061 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they bring out the booze and do the adult versions :P < 1300171077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they counted the number of days until the _next_ calendae, ides, and i think one more < 1300171083 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't to say the kiddie versions weren't as raunchy as shakespeare is by its very nature < 1300171105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inclusive counting, so the day before was the second iirc) < 1300171120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, Shakespeare. Highest ratio of dick jokes to content of any bit of 'high culture'. :P < 1300171139 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakespeare? high culture? HA < 1300171140 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: surely that was his true genius :D < 1300171149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Thus the scare quotes. < 1300171150 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe hamlet was reasonably high up there < 1300171176 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i really think that people thinking shakespeare is haute couture is the strangest thing < 1300171189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just several hundred year old reasonably well-written popular entertainment. < 1300171195 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It must be fancy because they talk all antiquarian!" < 1300171233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then, a lot of what is perceived as "high culture" these days is really just old popular entertainment. < 1300171235 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOME of them are well-written. some of them suck. shakespeare did, by himself, the entire spectrum of modern movies. < 1300171329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those darn aquarian speakers < 1300171330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: most things that are both old entertainment and enjoyable) < 1300171390 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300171395 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamlet = big fish, titus andronicus = 2012, romeo and juliet = high school musical, twelfth night = freaky friday, etc. < 1300171462 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300171469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romeo and Juliet gets so very misinterpreted, though. < 1300171481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but people are convinced it's this nice, romantic tale. < 1300171506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a tale of two idiots offing themselves for stupid reasons. < 1300171597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And few other plays get that treatment, because people are hardly aware of the premises. < 1300171730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnalogyBackfire < 1300171750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, now I'm even less likely to sleep. < 1300171751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300171785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1300171819 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300171834 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another channel i'm in there is a macro bot. one of the macros is to answer any link to tvtropes with "Don't do it! No one's ever come back alive!" < 1300172359 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300172459 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/puzzles/ < 1300172461 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anyone interested < 1300172521 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: bye < 1300172587 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask me questions (including requests for more data points, or rational simplifications) < 1300172701 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for some correlative coding < 1300172851 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no correlative coding, sorry :) < 1300172929 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300173669 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-243.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300173673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300174110 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300174284 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300174391 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300174409 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300174708 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300174767 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: where is the answer supposed to be submitted? < 1300174935 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300175752 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300175758 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-206.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300175999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1300176000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1300176235 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: to me here, if you like < 1300176239 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or email it to me, or something < 1300176245 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300176254 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have no idea what it's supposed to mean < 1300176267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not really supposed to be submitted tho. its just to get you to think < 1300176268 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate puzzles with no english words < 1300176275 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _is_ something going on in these < 1300176289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS 2011 YOU MUST HAVE AUTOMATICAL JUDGING WITH HIGH SCORES < 1300176293 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will answer questions, if you like < 1300176293 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it said something like "find a function to generate this sequence" < 1300176308 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of thing < 1300176321 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was actually considering something like that, but not for judging, for generating graphs < 1300176336 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if you want to do that, go ahead! < 1300176350 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill tell you this tho, its not a sequence < 1300176380 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like theconfoundry.com. automatical/crowd-sourced judging and high scores! and some of the puzzles are actually p okay. by which i mean, the ones that i post are p okay. < 1300176409 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no real answer to these puzzles tho < 1300176417 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be sure, theres what i did to produce these things < 1300176423 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: so then it's a set? an infinite set? < 1300176431 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite set. < 1300176471 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then an english language question would be "what is the underlying structure that all these things have in common?" < 1300176474 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will a) answer questions, b) provide more data points < 1300176484 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it could be, indeed < 1300176512 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid questions are things like, are there subsets that have common properties, etc. < 1300176521 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what subsets, etc. < 1300176589 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be a question that involves expanding or restricting the data points in rational ways < 1300176618 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: is it more useful to think of these things as (disconnected) digraphs? or as small sets of separate digraphs that are only tangentially and quantitatively related? < 1300176642 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300176645 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1300176649 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each image (separated by dotted lines) is a single digraph < 1300176690 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you ask for some sort of natural reorganization of some fashion, i will also provide this < 1300176699 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an example of a property which restricts the set of all digraphs to exactly the digraphs in your set? :P < 1300176714 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1300176741 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed
< 1300176897 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no ideas? no questions? :) < 1300177071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wasn't going to say, but it immediately puts me off by analogy with the kind of iq tests i find annoying. < 1300177126 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300177129 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here theres no real answer < 1300177140 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1300177163 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the only answer is to understand it sufficiently that you're happy with your understanding! < 1300177173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...these iq tests are annoying because they feel like there is no real answer, but you have to guess what the test maker was actually thinking of < 1300177179 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1300177189 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in that sense then yeah, i suppose. < 1300177207 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give you hints if you want. you just have to ask the right questions! :) < 1300177222 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this aspect of the game is also intentional < 1300177237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not be managing to get through the point that i'm not actually interested. < 1300177239 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and informative. < 1300177247 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you SHOULD be interested! < 1300177300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this nice book about intuition, it gives the excellent advice to ignore ideas using the verb "should" < 1300177313 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you MUST be interested! < 1300177319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1300177397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300177536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" chomsky has an erdos number of 4, so lasnik has an erdos number of 5" <<< i couldn't find a prof with more than 3 in our uni, but i suppose it's slightly easier for mathematicians :P < 1300177544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also i didn't try very hard) < 1300177546 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1300177553 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: check out my puzzles! < 1300177847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no one had a 1 which was kinda disappointing :( < 1300177849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1300177850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1300177880 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well? < 1300177883 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no questions? :( < 1300177888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly the kind of thing i don't like doing, i want an exact problem where i know exactly what to do < 1300177890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1300177900 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: explain it. < 1300177904 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain whats going on. < 1300177919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least i want to get that illusion, of course problem solving is always about not knowing what you're supposed to do, but i need some sort of nice framework < 1300177933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: is the sequence ordered? < 1300177938 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1300177941 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1300177945 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean. < 1300177972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is P_2 the first graph, P_2 \cup C_4 \cup C_4 the second one, etc < 1300177981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300177991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the second one was P_2 \cup C_4 i guess < 1300177998 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300178020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P_2 is ({u, v}, {{u, v}}) < 1300178024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C_4 is the cycle of four < 1300178042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't get my notation < 1300178045 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, obviously thats true, but < 1300178078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have to go to uni pretty soon) < 1300178082 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the items are graphs, obviously < 1300178099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i'm asking if this is a sequence of graphs or a set of graphs < 1300178102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what information is relevant < 1300178108 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're presented in no particular order < 1300178134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a random subset of a set of graphs? < 1300178139 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300178153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the subset of small graphs in that set? < 1300178158 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300178170 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1300178190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking if there exists a set of graphs S such that the graphs is see are a finite subset of S < 1300178211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the set of all graphs of S up to some size k with respect to some definition of size < 1300178230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, there is _some_ infinite set of graphs S of which this is a subset < 1300178251 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, a small number that i bothered to create in 20 minutes. < 1300178266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, good < 1300178345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i immediately started wondering about was a connection between C_4 and P_2: both are in face C_4 if you allow repetition of vertices, but you can't get say a triangle this way < 1300178361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fact < 1300178368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300178376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck am i saying? < 1300178383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true! < 1300178461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, C_4 is the complement of the graph P_2 \cup P_2 < 1300178478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parities add up as well < 1300178544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess my answer is: C_4 < 1300178545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eroij < 1300178552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C_4's + complementation < 1300178611 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive added some commentary btw. < 1300178615 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: join the fun! < 1300178620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/puzzles/ < 1300178680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh umm they are digraphs, sorry my crt is kinda sucky :D < 1300178698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: are there any subgraphs of those given which are in the set but not themselves given? < 1300178723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case complementation doesn't work, so i'll go with my original answer: C_4 but repetition of vertices is allowed, that does work now now that i think about it < 1300178742 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300178748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1300178780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: or wait, who were you answering < 1300178800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, obviously < 1300178817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not obvious. < 1300178822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is tho < 1300178833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead people usually are. < 1300178840 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you < 1300178857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ see, it was true and i claimed it was obvious, therefore i'm really smart < 1300178873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1300178918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do all graphs in the set have 4n vertices and an even number of edges < 1300178919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subgraphs not being in the set makes the problem much more interesting, because now i can verify my hypotheses myself < 1300178929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: indeed < 1300178971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh you realized that too, was it before or after you asked augur this for that exact reason? < 1300178978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically without that information, the set given did not strictly imply _anything_ < 1300178980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean my comment was stupid < 1300178983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: before, i think < 1300178994 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300179000 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to that specific question, no < 1300179040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it did imply that there exists a natural way to construct these graphs that gives those graphs with the least effort < 1300179054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1300179064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really the kind of puzzle that's likeable < 1300179064 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know if its least effort, but < 1300179083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm *likable < 1300179123 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mind you, my answers could be informative beyond the obvious < 1300179131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: in that case can you give an example which does not have 4n vertices and an even number of edges (preferably in all allowable combinations) < 1300179151 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300179184 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i put that off till tomorrow? < 1300179197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh are they that hard to construct? :D < 1300179209 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but im on a laptop so doing it with a trackpad is annoying < 1300179213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300179215 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics, i mean < 1300179258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has more than a million nodes, shit gets interesting < 1300179278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's the smallest one < 1300179285 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they might always have 4n vertices, im honestly not sure :) < 1300179285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean the examples given were made not just based on being _mathematically_ easy to construct, but also on being easy to draw on a computer? < 1300179322 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the answer is almost certainly no, but give me until tomorrow < 1300179333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300179333 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, drawing graphs is easy, but tedious :P < 1300179368 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for mathematical easy, this might be true. i suppose it depends on what you mean by math. < 1300179396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah oerjan, what do you mean by math? i've always wondered about that < 1300179417 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it were, this particular kind of math is not at all unfamiliar to this channel. < 1300179440 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-191.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300179479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byes < 1300179529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm.. oerjan, i think infact that there are always 4n vertices, yes. < 1300179533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant mathematical as opposed to physically for presentation < 1300179563 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, actually there are always 4n vertices. < 1300179646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all the graphs subgraphs of a square grid? < 1300179659 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure what you mean < 1300179715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a subgraph of an unbounded chessboard pattern < 1300179729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each example so far can be put in one < 1300179772 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you mean where each vertex is a square on the grid, and edge are only between rectilinearly adjacent squares' nodes? < 1300179778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300179780 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1300179854 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mind you, this is true of any graph with 4n vertices, surely. < 1300179858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet clearly not all such graphs, e.g. not less than four C_4 copies < 1300179876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: um no. not for a complete graph, for example < 1300179884 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true < 1300179944 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, a set of digraphs that there is no odd cycles? < 1300179963 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot really think of the better characterization < 1300179963 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300179970 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true of them < 1300179972 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not sufficient < 1300179973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that follows from the grid property < 1300179976 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1300180010 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every vertices should be a part of exactly one even cycle, then? < 1300180020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300180038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh are the components always paths or cycles? < 1300180042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait no < 1300180054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true, some of the examples have no cycles at all < 1300180059 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, and that is not sufficient yet, right? < 1300180062 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: look again < 1300180082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops they are _directed_? < 1300180085 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300180096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300180137 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have at least two facts to work with that are very useful, i think < 1300180213 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on which questions you ask < 1300180217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so those components that i thought were just two connected vertices are actually 2-cycles < 1300180223 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300180231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case is every component always a 2n-cycle? < 1300180239 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300180244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :directed in the obvious way < 1300180296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can there be larger than 4-cycle components? < 1300180306 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300180381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the graph consisting of two 6-cycles a member of the set? < 1300180397 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclusively? < 1300180403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300180405 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, 2 6 cycles and nothing else? < 1300180415 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300180417 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1300180419 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300180480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could summarize the examples given by number of 2- and 4-cycles: (2,1), (2,2), (4,0) and (0,4) < 1300180483 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229219.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300180520 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps! < 1300180532 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will not comment on characterizations. < 1300180554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is just notation < 1300180580 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will however reveal more data (or constrain existing data) along specific lines (at first just natural ones, later, ones that you describe, if they exist) < 1300180609 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300180714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm since the components are cycles the number of edges = number of vertices < 1300180721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so both 4n < 1300180804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the graph containing just 4 2n-cycles always a member? < 1300180817 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you eman < 1300180827 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300180827 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300180829 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1300180831 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme think < 1300180832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 6-cycles, or 4 8-cycles, etc. < 1300180866 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300180874 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think so. < 1300180883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a counterexample? :D < 1300180919 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 6-cycles < 1300180942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300180994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any element of the set consisting solely of 6-cycles (any number)? < 1300181002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300181034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(preferrably smallest) example? < 1300181060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've already excluded 2 and 4 < 1300181069 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 6-cycles < 1300181072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1300181108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 2n 2n-cycles in general? < 1300181114 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300181161 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this constitutes a natural simplificatin. < 1300181175 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the set didn't contain the example 2 (i.e. (2,1)) it is possible that there should be no k-cycles or at least k k-cycles... < 1300181183 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not the case, i know. < 1300181227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a hypothesis is that if there are just 2n-cycles, then their number must be divisible by 2n < 1300181229 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, not a single natural simplification. < 1300181250 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not an atomic one, i guess you could say. < 1300181266 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: i have no idea what you're asking :p < 1300181274 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you are not making sense now... < 1300181306 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, that is just a side effect of my thinking process... not asking. :p < 1300181312 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each puzzle that i show you is in principle an infinite set of digraphs describable in some elegant fashion < 1300181325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the disjoint union of two examples always an example? < 1300181340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including two equal ones) < 1300181347 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may or may not be ways to simplify the description and derive a subset of this set < 1300181390 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say, the derivation of a subset is natural, because it derives from a simplification of the description < 1300181402 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a complication, depending on your perspective, but i'd say simplification < 1300181418 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme think about the disjoint union question for a moment < 1300181433 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300181446 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the derivation of a subset of that set can be natural or not, depending on how the subset is defined (against the original description)? < 1300181458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1300181463 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1300181472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an example containing 6-cycles, but less than 6 of them? < 1300181483 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary subsets arent "natural" in the sense that they have an elegant description. they might, but in general they probably dont. < 1300181524 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300181543 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the set contain an empty digraph? (just to be sure) < 1300181584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: that _would_ technically contradict information already given ;D < 1300181585 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait, that should be true < 1300181592 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which information? < 1300181600 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false* < 1300181604 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, don't mind. < 1300181606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: no subgraphs left out < 1300181618 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh true < 1300181635 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION briefly confused
< 1300181645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's an example easy to forget < 1300181652 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, its probably better to say it doesnt include the empty digraph < 1300181667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 4-cycles, 2 2-cycles? < 1300181682 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho including it doesnt break anything essential < 1300181694 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rephrase? < 1300181742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph consisting of 3 4-cycles and 2 2-cycles? if we have that then we can concluse we always have the graph of n 4-cycles + 2 2-cycles < 1300181746 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, http://www.wellnowwhat.net/puzzles/1/ has a running log of the relevant question/answer pairs < 1300181753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conclude < 1300181769 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, manually updated? :p < 1300181774 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: yes < 1300181793 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there is no graph that is just 3 4-cycles < 1300181800 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i thought that it gathers the q&a pairs automatically somehow at first...) < 1300181806 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1300181807 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish < 1300181807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: that _plus_ 2 2-cycles, duh < 1300181808 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300181814 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300181816 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme think < 1300181852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300181858 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that graph does not exist < 1300181862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300181873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er you mean as an example < 1300181884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it exists as a graph < 1300181887 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :p < 1300181897 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! it doesnt exist ANYWHERE! < 1300181905 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be determined in linear time whether the set contains a particular graph or not, given the numbers of each cycles already? < 1300181906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's an obvious hole in my induction ;D < 1300181930 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: i have no fucking clue man < 1300181938 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :) < 1300181938 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1300181946 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill give you a hint < 1300181953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any graph containing 2 2-cycles + (4n+3) 4-cycles (you just buried n=0) < 1300181958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300181970 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're missing a conceptualization thats incredibly useful and potentially incredibly obvious < 1300181977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *containing exactly < 1300181983 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea if those graphs are members :p < 1300181989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1300182022 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have a full mathematical workup of this, just a way to generate examples, so as the mathematical questions become more complex, i will quickly fail to be able to answer them < 1300182185 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might do well to ask questions that dont seem pertinent to the immediate facts < 1300182230 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300182257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this set stem from a problem that is not immediately graph-related? < 1300182268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1300182280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trying to be lateral here :D) < 1300182297 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way im conceptualizing it is only tangentially graph related < 1300182304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a matching problem of sorts? < 1300182319 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as im conceiving it but equivalent to one, i have no idea < 1300182324 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it related to the continued fraction? < 1300182332 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(random guess, indeed) < 1300182346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it connected to number theory? < 1300182377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i mean the source of it, not whether there happens to be _some_ connection) < 1300182377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it, to both. < 1300182403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a counting problem? < 1300182417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*based on < 1300182436 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably can think of it as one, but that's probably one of the least intuitive ways to understand what's going on < 1300182457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transportation/travelling salesman stuff? < 1300182473 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300182487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-complete? >:) < 1300182496 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too specific, these questions < 1300182506 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np-complete, i have no idea. depends on what you mean, i suppose < 1300182512 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph membership test? no clue. < 1300182517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300182540 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think more laterally < 1300182626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm clearly a subgraph of a member isn't always a member < 1300182639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor supergraph < 1300182699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the examples constructed by applying some operation to the smaller ones? < 1300182707 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember: you can ask for natural restrictions to the set, or for more information about the set < 1300182728 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300182732 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by applying some operation to the smaller ones? < 1300182736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you mean with that natural restrictions stuff < 1300182741 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont have to < 1300182757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like doubling a vertex and adding an edge between, that sort of thing < 1300182766 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said, right now, since you dont know what to ask for, i will choose at random of the ones i can see < 1300182786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have disjoint union, but that's clearly insufficient < 1300182788 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i have no idea if that will do anything < 1300182799 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1300182806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok give a natural restriction then :D < 1300182809 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow :) < 1300182815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1300182826 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to go to bed in a bit, since i have class at 3:30 < 1300182849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok and i'm going to get up properly < 1300182856 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tomorrow i will give a natural subset of puzzle 1 < 1300182916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1300182921 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1300182924 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me tomorrow! < 1300182928 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at like 6 pm < 1300182931 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pm me < 1300182937 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night <3 < 1300183183 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300184211 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229244.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300184306 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300185983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300187436 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130006.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300187571 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300187578 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300188446 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300188530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context for the topic? < 1300188544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hardly answer a question in the topic if I don't know what it's about < 1300188552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the punctuation is Vorpal's style, which helps slightly < 1300188884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300189206 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300190777 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe look for a similar line in the log? < 1300191429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's from 2010-10-05, and you have already answered Vorpal: well, it's seeded with the current date and time, right? < 1300191568 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | because making a hole out of arbitrary expressions is freaky < 1300191584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context seems to be manipulating the NetHack RNG by stepping it by trying to walk into a wall. < 1300191603 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also too late! < 1300191641 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: further to a discussion yesterday, one of my profs this term has erdos number 1 < 1300191686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Now you just need to cut off his head with a sword, and then your Erdös number will be 1. (What do you mean that's not how it works?) < 1300191717 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have at least another prof with 1 as well < 1300191731 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't met him < 1300194376 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-177-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300194383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300194384 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300194396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: go coauthor a paper with one of them < 1300194404 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest3172 < 1300194439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really ask my supervisor his Erdős number sometime < 1300194450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise, how will I know what mine is? < 1300194496 0 :Guest3172!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1300194756 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300195028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be some sort of an "Erdös number preservation society" that would try to promote co-authored papers between young, healthy mathematicians and aging, low-Erdös-number mathematicians, to keep people with low numbers available for as long as possible. < 1300195175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300195254 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300195907 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300195915 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-50.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300196577 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300197109 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300197729 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, because clearly that's the metric you want to preserve :P < 1300198425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, sure: it's a sad world where you need necromancy to get a single-digit Erdös number. < 1300200201 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300200559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad... Or awesome? < 1300200636 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erd�s number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | optbot is fucking terrible and we all hate it < 1300200678 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300200741 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300200774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300200816 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1300200881 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300201635 0 :antioptbot!~antioptbo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300201663 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300201667 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300201667 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Equivalent code: < 1300201667 0 :antioptbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erd�s number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | optbot is fucking terrible and we all hate it < 1300201675 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300201695 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300201695 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Yes, but mIRC didn't tab complete you before :P Maybe it wsa just me < 1300201695 0 :antioptbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erd�s number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | optbot is fucking terrible and we all hate it < 1300201697 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::V < 1300201703 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is optbot? < 1300201703 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: alas it can only edit ColorForth < 1300201711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas. < 1300201721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: optbot is a bot that replaces the topic with retarded bullshit on a regular basis. < 1300201721 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what about implementing sii? < 1300201746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The arms race, you are starting it. Soon there'll be an antiantioptbot. < 1300201750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antioptbot is a bot that reverts any changes made by optbot to the topic. < 1300201751 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: here is the similar one. < 1300201759 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Muahahahaha < 1300201769 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you just kill optbot, fizzie. < 1300201769 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Because, dammit, the root directory should have useful things in it. < 1300201780 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs optbot
< 1300201780 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: afk < 1300201792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Because of apathy, primarily. < 1300201808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's oerjan who takes more of an active role in administrationary things. < 1300201927 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make an antiantioptbot for the lulz. < 1300201952 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because somebody mentioned it. < 1300202015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erd�s number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300202055 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erdös number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | First person to make antiantioptbot gets a cookie. < 1300202143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot optbot screwed with the topic < 1300202143 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i deem it "teenagerism" < 1300202184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good name! < 1300202185 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't care about it just babbling incoherently, only effing with the topic in a destructive way. < 1300202196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, antioptbot's yours? < 1300202206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may make an antiantiantioptbot, in an esolang or something < 1300202238 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So every time optbot changes the topic, it will get changed three more times, ultimately ending up in the topic it had in the first place? :P < 1300202238 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: [[ < 1300202245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: indeed < 1300202290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300202302 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor. < 1300202306 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want you to make a new bot. < 1300202316 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, or add a function to an existingbot. < 1300202318 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~randomlang < 1300202560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this does what? < 1300202778 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300202785 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300203780 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, decides on a random esolang and a random not-esolang for you. < 1300203793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK ... and what does that do? X-P < 1300203807 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!randlang < 1300203826 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang: /// | Normal Language: Perl < 1300203827 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1300203846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you go and implement? < 1300203871 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind seeing Perl implemented in ///. < 1300203887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION golf clap
< 1300203927 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo I'm programmable, so you can make me do that :P < 1300203962 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm programmable, so you can make me do that :P < 1300204129 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300204173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_antioptbot_? < 1300204191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it out, it does what you'd expect. < 1300204200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300204200 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | nice < 1300204200 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it's not my fault.) < 1300204200 0 :antioptbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erdös number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | First person to make antiantioptbot gets a cookie. < 1300204209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah pretty much :D < 1300204224 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300204225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: how do you feel at this time < 1300204225 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what's the problem with just reading it? < 1300204235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There are already plans for antantioptbot and antiantiantioptbot floating around. < 1300204272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1300204272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon every topic-change will be accompanied by a screenful of botfights. < 1300204319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is planning antiantioptbot < 1300204342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned it, Lymia requested it; I doubt anyone's actively making it. < 1300204361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's "may" do an antiantiantioptbot. < 1300204375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be pretty silly with no antiantioptbot in place. < 1300204407 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, i need a suitable programming language for it. < 1300204434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1300204555 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300204559 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder.... < 1300204567 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should Perl Golf it < 1300204677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some people were complaining i was no fun, so i shall have a suitably silly policy for this until elliott actually fixes optbot < 1300204677 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and how to scale that up further < 1300204684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d6 < 1300204684 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d6 => 3 < 1300204694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, antioptbot survives < 1300204752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he acknowledges there's anything broken there. < 1300204766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we made an agreement, in case you didn't see that < 1300204772 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah; I must've missed that. < 1300204792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a strict drama-quota, must've overfloweded. < 1300204793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll make it not change topics for 12 hours after someone else does < 1300204833 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Soon every topic-change will be accompanied by a screenful of botfights. ** only those that are initiated by optbot < 1300204834 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ehird, bool < 1300204881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i shall use 1d5 for the next bot, etc. < 1300204918 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300204944 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multibot is really a pretty nifty construction of mine :P < 1300204950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antioptbot took me like five minutes to write :P < 1300204968 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :antiantiantianti < 1300204972 0 :antiantiantianti!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungot < 1300204978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just testing how many will fit.) < 1300204992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very many, it seems. < 1300205065 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many :P < 1300205076 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually they can just be called "aaaaaaaob" though :P < 1300205096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan^2 < 1300205102 0 :oerjan^2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan < 1300205239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: Well, sure: it's a sad world where you need necromancy to get a single-digit Erdös number. < 1300205266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the singularity might fix that in time < 1300205371 0 :antiantioptbot!~antiantio@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300205380 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300205380 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | s/till/for/ < 1300205381 0 :antioptbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erdös number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | First person to make antiantioptbot gets a cookie. < 1300205381 0 :antiantioptbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | s/till/for/ < 1300205385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d5 < 1300205386 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d5 => 1 < 1300205389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops! < 1300205393 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1300205394 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1300205401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b *!*antiantio@*.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net < 1300205416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY THE CHAIN IS OVER < 1300205426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erd�s number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300205516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1300205744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wouldn't mind seeing Perl implemented in ///. < 1300205764 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 has no good implementation right now anyway, right? < 1300205767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'd probably want to Itflabtijtslwi < 1300205772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use < 1300205784 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231049129.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300205821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one could add an FF command for the ffi < 1300205895 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300206271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300206357 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:43:57 Hmm, what's "modern" algebra? < 1300206368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dearly hope someone at least mentioned groups to him. < 1300206418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somehow feel the border goes between linear/vector algebra on one side and groups etc. on the other < 1300206430 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.25: 4M(!!!)+32k+8k+2k to Japan, 8k to Malaysia, 1k+/32 to Australia, 64k+256+/32 to Indonesia, 512 to Thailand, /32 to China. < 1300206447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although by this time even groups are old < 1300206456 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, /32? < 1300206462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't /32 = one address? < 1300206474 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, but groups are a good starting pointl. < 1300206477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point < 1300206528 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: /n there is IPv6 /n. < 1300206569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh, sorry, IPv6, got it. < 1300206582 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if we had really stooped to fighting over individual IPv4 addresses :P < 1300206587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think daily reporting of ipv6 depletion is like your obsession getting obsessions < 1300206615 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IPv6 parts are more about adoption than depletion. < 1300206635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300206753 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC can allocate 800k of those /32s and then think about getting 2410::/12 (or something) from IANA. < 1300206866 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300206878 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-0.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300207070 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300207092 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300207093 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300207194 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300207197 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No RIR is even close to qualifying for second IPv6 block allocation (oh, and the present blocks were allocated in 2006). < 1300207238 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300207242 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300207341 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC biggest free block: 2M. Major blocks possible: 2M: 1, 1M: 7, 512k: 27, 256k: 89, 128k: 215, 64k: 511. < 1300207342 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300207360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grabs popcorn
< 1300207380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300207438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1300207472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:25:57 Partial differential equations is where math started ignoring our safe word and things got a bit unpleasant. < 1300207472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300207476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll find out soon enough < 1300207527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:26:11 How exactly does terminfo work anyways. < 1300207527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:27:50 I really don't feel like cleaning up dog vomit right now. < 1300207528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely < 1300207531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Precisely. < 1300207541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:37:53 *ERDŐS < 1300207543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JEWNICODE < 1300207568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:49:36 I have met someone whose wife is a 2 < 1300207572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making them a 3 by logic! < 1300207586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me an eternity to get that character too, somehow my character map had disappeared from the usual spot in the program menu < 1300207593 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex = publishing < 1300207609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :� = alt-o-" = come on people use compose keys :P < 1300207610 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1300207612 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1300207614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Get tuomov's Compose file thing :P < 1300207616 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231051038.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300207621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Windows < 1300207622 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly does one use terminfo < 1300207627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Dog vomit. < 1300207645 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1300207653 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the usual answer is "by using curses instead" :P < 1300207693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ö is not ő < 1300207696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION skips over shakespeare talk
< 1300207698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what oerjan said < 1300207705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is not called Erdös ffs < 1300207724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do ö quite easily < 1300207756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:45:56 http://www.wellnowwhat.net/puzzles/ < 1300207756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::unreadable page: < 1300207774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also broken images :) dunno if that's intentional or not < 1300207778 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300207779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now they load < 1300207784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300207842 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, other RIRs, major allocations, last 30 days: AFRINIC, 512k to South Africa. RIPE NCC: 256k to Italy, 256k to Turkey, 256k to Netherlands, 256k to Poland. All the other RIRs combined can't match APNIC in allocations. < 1300207870 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300207905 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231051038.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300207928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:02:17 There should be some sort of an "Erdös number preservation society" that would try to promote co-authored papers between young, healthy mathematicians and aging, low-Erdös-number mathematicians, to keep people with low numbers available for as long as possible. < 1300207929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BZZZZZY < 1300207931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*T < 1300207933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU FAIL AT NAME < 1300207939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL YOURSELF FIZZIE :( < 1300207946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode has made people so picky < 1300207961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X @ antioptbot < 1300207963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand shutup be unbanned < 1300207972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO CAN DO < 1300207980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ffs, I already agreed to the compromise < 1300208022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i implemented a sound and reasonable policy to handle this, see the rest of the logs < 1300208028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300208028 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | And another? < 1300208029 0 :antioptbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erd�s number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300208036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the policy is not sound and reasonable. < 1300208054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i may have been a _tad_ ironic < 1300208092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, you could get rid of antioptbot and I could implement the compromise today, or I could just keep making optbot work indirectly to counter antioptbot, and never implement the compromise. < 1300208092 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: arbitrarily big, sure, but finite things are usually closed under operations < 1300208110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300208130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you already banned antiantioptbot, so "I'm not taking a stance here" isn't really a reply. < 1300208144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say i wasn't taking a stance < 1300208153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then that is my position < 1300208189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU ARE NO FUN < 1300208212 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300208215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not interested in drama, and Gregor has just created more. < 1300208224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your choice < 1300208235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'll ban antioptbot the moment you implement the fix < 1300208256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then I'd rather rework optbot to fool antioptbot. < 1300208256 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think not. < 1300208265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sheesh* < 1300208294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for once i'm trying to _not_ be serious in response to the silliness here and you suddenly demand i be < 1300208353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw your fooling needs to be clever; reverting antioptbot's topic changes will be considered evading the antiantioptbot ban >:D < 1300208401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am not interested in implementing a compromise given by somebody who actively makes related administrative actions but does not ban a bot that disrupts the operation of the bot in question. < 1300208422 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit: APNIC (in about last 30 days): 30.4M. All the other RIRs _combined_: 5.4M. < 1300208476 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless some other RIR has mega-allocation for today, that figure is going to look even more lopsided tomorrow. < 1300208503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1300208504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actively makes related administrative actions? < 1300208509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: banned antiantioptbot < 1300208512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtflogs < 1300208517 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1300208522 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, you're in such a ridiculous state of high dudgeon. < 1300208535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not the one who instigated drama here, Gregor is. < 1300208536 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300208546 0 :optbot!~optbot@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300208546 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :x3gp6amaTOPIC < 1300208551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1300208558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1300208587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you created optbot and have neither implemented the compromise nor taken it offline. < 1300208587 0 :x3gp6amaTOPIC!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :optbotPRIVMSG < 1300208587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*antiantio@*.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net < 1300208601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When I agreed to the compromise I was FUCKING TIRED. < 1300208604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1300208605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is ONE DAY LATER. < 1300208619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, I don't spend every minute of my day changing optbot. < 1300208619 0 :optbotPRIVMSG!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interpreter might let us support more languages < 1300208621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ^ < 1300208626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, would it have killed you to take down optbot for the night? < 1300208626 0 :optbotPRIVMSG!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh well... De gustibus no est disputandum, I guess. < 1300208641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that doesn't change the fact that you've still made decisions < 1300208653 0 :optbotPRIVMSG!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300208664 0 :optbot!~optbot@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300208664 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :uuc7f8fwTOPIC < 1300208664 0 :uuc7f8fwTOPIC!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :optbot < 1300208670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF. < 1300208708 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300208721 0 :optbot!~optbot@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300208721 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :rlzf2s4d < 1300208721 0 :rlzf2s4d!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | I have a system for jumps and absolute pointer-movements < 1300208721 0 :rlzf2s4d!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :optbot < 1300208785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The agreement was that optbot's operation would continue unimpinged if I implemented the compromise in a reasonable timeframe; this has obviously not happened. All antioptbot does is create drama over the fact that - what? I haven't adjusted it for, like, a whole day? < 1300208785 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I also plan on making it possible to remove all the current regex'es and define your own < 1300208818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: _i_ wasn't impinging on optbot < 1300208819 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I rather like it < 1300208850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you saying that optbot's operation was (before this hack) unimpinged? < 1300208850 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm < 1300208875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And really, you basically are; you banned antiantioptbot but won't ban antioptbot, which is as close to tacit approval of the impingement as you can get. < 1300208901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was implementing a silly random rule < 1300208925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A silly random rule that AFAICT amounts to "antioptbot stays" < 1300208940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in retrospect was a bad idea. i thought certain people here _liked_ silliness. < 1300208949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Applying silliness to idiotic drama? < 1300208951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that _was_ the random outcome < 1300208985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a dramaless compromise (does Gregor have nothing better to complain about?), ban the stupid anti- bot; otherwise I can't see any reason to implement a compromise if this is just going to turn into an idiotic botwar. < 1300208994 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you kill me if I brought in a stronger antioptbot? < 1300208994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compromise like I do < 1300208999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking non-linear message authoring. < 1300209046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i just unbanned antiantioptbot, in case you didn't notice < 1300209059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this didn't stop elliott < 1300209082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you think unbanning antiantioptbot is going to "stop" me, I question whether you're actually reading anything I say. < 1300209104 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300209111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also i find your complaints about drama immensely hypocritical. < 1300209133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sorry -- from now on I will try and create as much drama as possible, the alternative is being a hypocrite. < 1300209135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that better? < 1300209160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are certainly living by it, at least < 1300209171 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300209171 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | I don't see how it could, I'm not doing anything disallowed by the C standard so unless it's listed as unsafe in the compiler docs it should be fine < 1300209172 0 :antioptbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | I have a system for jumps and absolute pointer-movements < 1300209176 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;v < 1300209179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1300209184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't that work. < 1300209196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I fixed my bot because despite you clearly wanting it to be broken you won't actually ban it. < 1300209214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what < 1300209230 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's bot is optbot? < 1300209230 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: very little? < 1300209249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your actions amount to tacit approval of antioptbot breaking my bot, so clearly you don't want optbot, yet you haven't banned it for some reason, so I will continue to fix my bot. < 1300209249 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and give the function the arguments we get < 1300209260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300209263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume "you are certainly living by it" was you referring to me fixing optbot. < 1300209263 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's worthless < 1300209269 0 :antiantioptbot2!~antiantio@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300209289 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1300209293 0 :antiantioptbot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300209293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1300209294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300209295 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :zb1gf9xx < 1300209295 0 :zb1gf9xx!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | never used fortran < 1300209295 0 :zb1gf9xx!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :optbot < 1300209304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why didn't it work a second ago. Oh well. < 1300209309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably timeouts. < 1300209313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1300209462 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is cancer < 1300209468 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee. Picture of Nuclear Power Plant exploding. :-/ < 1300209476 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: url? < 1300209506 0 :superantioptbot!~superanti@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300209510 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1300209510 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ab6etp0v < 1300209510 0 :ab6etp0v!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | tombom, thanks :) < 1300209510 0 :ab6etp0v!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :optbot < 1300209510 0 :superantioptbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | never used fortran < 1300209512 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs
< 1300209516 0 :superantioptbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300209525 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7661?nocomments < 1300209550 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300209555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plant did not explode, only the outer containment building. < 1300209565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I assume "you are certainly living by it" was you referring to me fixing optbot. <-- no it was referring to your _still_ incessant drama queen babbling. < 1300209566 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it worth using powered minecarts? < 1300209585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Define "incessant drama queen babbling"; you mean "not dropping the subject"? < 1300209605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are apparently incapable of recognizing in yourself the same faults that you complain of in others. < 1300209615 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were just complaining < 1300209621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very well. < 1300209622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: shut up < 1300209624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300209640 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: be nice :( < 1300209642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1300209717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appear to have painted myself into a corner here. < 1300209736 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1300209748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggest you kickban your way out. < 1300209753 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300209753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks.
< 1300209756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b *!*antioptbo@*.wmiscable.net < 1300209759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will. < 1300209764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1300209778 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can I insert the super-mode of antioptbot now? < 1300209809 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: will that fix elliott's incessant drama queen babbling? < 1300209809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? < 1300209845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no. < 1300209849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b *!*cheater@*.adsl.alicedsl.de < 1300209857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b *!*optbot@208.78.103.* < 1300209858 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1300209859 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         | < 1300209859 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        /`\ < 1300209874 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think myndzi missed. < 1300209876 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1300209898 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a consequence of different justification and my long nick. < 1300209919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1300209928 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client's set up to align all text. < 1300209938 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no reguard to the person's nickname. < 1300209946 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, same, but myndzi is not. < 1300210456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300210740 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1300210755 0 :Herobrine!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300210846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*cheater@*.adsl.alicedsl.de < 1300210937 0 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300210962 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231051038.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300211009 0 :asiekierka__!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300211280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1300211530 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300211541 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300211643 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300211818 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300211835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, elliott took his ball and left. < 1300211864 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "ball" I mean "logging bot". < 1300211898 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope he'll be back < 1300212065 0 :asiekierka_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300212066 0 :asiekierka__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300212329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Yeah, well I want an Erd�s number of 1! *gets robe and wizard hat* | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300212332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor antioptbot. < 1300212337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He will be missed. < 1300212389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300212393 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-201-62.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300212488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifTIuA8Dq58 < 1300212499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: negative friction is the Best Thing. < 1300212709 0 :mdivhx!5cec1f78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.236.31.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300212834 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300212865 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300212868 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300213030 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300213684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that was awesome < 1300213697 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg can't stop laughing < 1300213700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a whole game on that concept < 1300213706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1300213738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*based < 1300213745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I keep typing in the URL for the Herobrine logs. < 1300213761 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahh < 1300213766 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pinball at the end was the best < 1300213779 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like the most amazing culmination ever < 1300213788 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of crazy stuff, has anyone here watched The Other Guys? < 1300213793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, like, "you're an ordinary man, living in New York, until... FRICTION IS NEGATED" < 1300213803 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBsJUT-K0YA < 1300213844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You must get to your girlfriend's house because you have the standard video game protagonist priorities." < 1300213870 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I definitely should. < 1300213890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks if he accidentally ignored ai... wait, he's not even online.
< 1300213898 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, you've gone mad. < 1300213971 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phant < 1300214004 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, he's crazy. < 1300214067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saneless in the head that dude. < 1300214078 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300214226 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://recruitcoders.com/ Slogan: "Reach for competence". Worst slogan ever? < 1300214273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/for/beyond/, would that make it better or worse: discuss. < 1300214440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm where did "forward to the future" come from again < 1300214440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm < 1300214506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit that phrase is just too common < 1300214522 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look backward to the future! < 1300214551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have a hunch it may have been douglas adams or terry pratchett < 1300214648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, although by troll logic that is blatantly false. < 1300214715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so funny about forward to the future? < 1300214736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's kinda funny < 1300214747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's either stupidly true or hilariously false (if you're a troll). < 1300214764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was from Johnny and the Dead, apparently < 1300214816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the motto of Amalgamated Consolidated Holdings < 1300214817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1300214876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *United Amalgamated Consolidated Holdings < 1300214878 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300214879 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: conclusion: Yakety Sax makes everything funnier than it already was. < 1300214946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: this is _not_ news. < 1300215037 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hugely redundant, as one implies the other but not vice-versa. < 1300215050 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As "forward" does not imply the fourth dimension :P < 1300215069 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's news to me. i can't wait to see tsunami footage set to yakety sax >.> < 1300215090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... < 1300215130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it is, however, the kind of phrase that becomes a cliché the first time it's used < 1300215140 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True enough. < 1300215194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also the case with that "reach for competence" < 1300215582 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300215658 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nah, the humour there is the fact that competence is really not something you should have to reach for. < 1300215691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hm < 1300215965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now i get it < 1300215972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan didn't get it < 1300216007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH < 1300216049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get that you didn't get that they didn't get that competence is really not something you should have to reach for < 1300216053 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300216074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get that? < 1300216092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF COURSE < 1300216093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should do my group theory homework < 1300216101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if it's too hard? maybe i'll do it later < 1300216158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read my :()^ construction at the Underload page? it's almost group theory. < 1300216178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1300216186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that'd help me with the exercises? < 1300216193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe not. < 1300216206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's representation theory < 1300216353 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you finally wrote up the minimization < 1300216356 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go read < 1300216377 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300216406 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300216614 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300217160 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@81.3.gr6.adsl.brightview.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300217161 0 :icaro_!~icaro@ppp-31-253.21-151.libero.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1300217176 0 :icaro_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300217223 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300217299 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/599/ :-) < 1300217341 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allocations in February/March according to latest joint RIR delegated file: APNIC: 36 302 848. RIPE: 10 034 336. ARIN: 5 760 768. AFRINIC: 629 760. LACNIC: 373 504. < 1300217513 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this rate, RIPE would last about 3-4 months. < 1300217597 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300217682 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300217682 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300217682 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300217883 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300218245 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300218491 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300218959 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300218977 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300219702 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rages at a fun looking OpenCourseWare course not having all of the lecture notes
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ACTION checks out University of Reddit
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ACTION mindboggles at there being a course on IRC
< 1300220388 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1300220409 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multivariable calculus is listed on OCW Scholar's page < 1300220409 0 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1300220429 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OCW Scholar courses are designed for independent learners who have few additional resources available to them" < 1300220458 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300220465 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Khan Academy's differential equations stuff and OCW's multivariable calculus viable to do at the same time < 1300220466 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300220602 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unusual name for a Forth compiler http://code.google.com/p/durexforth < 1300220763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1300220774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, dunno. < 1300220789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although weren't you trying to do category theory? < 1300220937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Seriously, if you haven't even *touched* on abstract algebra by the age of 21, you're headed in entirely the wrong direction; you are more than capable of handling it.) < 1300221070 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like < 1300221100 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does gmail export everything in their web interface < 1300221102 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an API < 1300221121 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300221518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1300221558 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there are a lot of immature third party APIs < 1300221563 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1300221736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean they use lots of exclamation marks and throw tantrums all the time? < 1300221790 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnD aLl ThE mEtHoDs ArE nAmEd LiKe ThIs < 1300221798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shivers
< 1300221859 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want an email client that forwards all of gmail's features but requires no mouse. < 1300221864 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka command line < 1300222341 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be pretty sweet < 1300222599 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300222923 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the katamari hack is so much awesomer than websplat. how come you couldn't be so awesome? < 1300222943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sobblecopter* < 1300222982 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300223024 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, every Google result for "sobblecopter" is me. I knew I invented it, but I didn't think that I /solely/ had invented it. < 1300223083 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf, websplat is more fun to play and doesn't slow ff3.x to a crawl :P < 1300223152 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I have concluded that tau is innately inferior to pi because writing \tau/2 is harder than writing 2\pi. < 1300223644 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.17/20110121150729] < 1300223657 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange, seems to me they have the same number of strokes. < 1300223719 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, but it requires line spacing to do properly which is horrible to deal with when you're writing in pen. < 1300223759 0 :mdivhx!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300223776 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, what's a quarter of a circle in radians? >:D < 1300223791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi/2. < 1300223800 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that makes sense how? < 1300223800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi is retarded < 1300223822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that retarded, and changing it isn't worth the effort. < 1300223830 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300223853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like calling complex numbers imaginary: if it's enough to hang you up, mathematics isn't the thing for you. < 1300223878 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Illogical things shouldn't bother you in math" < 1300223881 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1300223892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not at all like calling complex numbers imaginary < 1300223904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the least bit < 1300223957 0 :bitmsk!5cec1f78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.236.31.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300223958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, a constant factor is illogical? < 1300223958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some complex numbers are imaginary! < 1300223965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 2i (or 2j if you're an engineer) < 1300223978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a rather poor choice of constant to start with, but not actually *stupid*. < 1300224002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just caught on before radius became prevalent over diameter. < 1300224090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not stupid, it's absolutely retarded < 1300224099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how? < 1300224155 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which of these things is not like the other: 1/2gt^2, 1/2kx^2, 1/2mv^2, \pi*r^2 < 1300224191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: too hard < 1300224196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former 3 are all integrals, although admittedly pi*r^2 might be derivable from that. < 1300224201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have to remember whether it's half a turn or two turns < 1300224219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always have to get my math books < 1300224238 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: None of them are integrals, but all of them can be derived *via* an integral. < 1300224251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, how do you get pi*r^2? < 1300224298 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integral of 2\pi*r, of course. < 1300224350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do you get that? < 1300224443 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fucking know the answer. < 1300224455 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now stop being thicker than a nuclear reactor's containing wall. < 1300224480 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the exp(i*pi) + 1 = 0 thing; there was some sort of "most beautiful formula in mathematics" poster with that on it, on the wall in the maths classroom in high school. That's going to be suboptimal as "exp(i*tau) = 1" or some-such. < 1300224535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when people talk about that equation without even explaining it. < 1300224559 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, floating-point numbers are depressing: < 1300224560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave:1> exp(i*pi) < 1300224560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans = -1.0000e+00 + 1.2246e-16i < 1300224564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, integral of a polynomial? < 1300224570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Serves me right for using an engineer's tool.) < 1300224596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, e^i*pi < 1300224604 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hell of a lot easier to just show the equation than to explain what e^{i\theta} is in the general case, and why it matters. :P < 1300224614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1300224621 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, e*i*pi < 1300224627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e^i*pi < 1300224637 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EIEIO. < 1300224659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, anyway, I don't *disagree* that pi is a poor choice of constant, just that it's not worth the effort to change it. < 1300224668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does e have to do with this? < 1300224672 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300224672 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300224672 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300224686 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: e^(i*pi)+1=0; it's Euler's identity. < 1300224702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oklo knows. < 1300224712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: exp(i*tau) = 1 is much prettier < 1300224720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes, what does that have to do with anything? < 1300224725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No it's not; it lacks the 0. < 1300224738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And writing it as 1+0 is just silly. < 1300224740 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: exp(i*tau)-1=0 < 1300224748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it might be syntactically uglier, but conceptually it's much nicer that way < 1300224754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, but then you lose the 1! < 1300224760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you even get a minus! < 1300224764 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No I don't. It's right there. < 1300224774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, but with a MINUS! < 1300224775 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between the "-" and the "=". < 1300224792 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fuck off. :P < 1300224805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Minus signs, now there are something which shouldn't exist in their current form.) < 1300224822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the point is (according to the poster, anyway) that there's 0, 1, i, e, pi; and +, *, ^; in it. Nobody mentioned a - anywhere. < 1300224825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*somethings... no... erm... I have no idea what that should be. < 1300224830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, can someone explain where e came to play here :D < 1300224847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course the poster didn't exactly explain why those things make it pretty.) < 1300224851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly, fizzie and Phantom_Hoover started talking about e at the same time < 1300224851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you playing the fool or something? < 1300224854 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300224868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no! < 1300224870 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ... *Well*, Euler's identity is commonly cited as being an extraordinarily beautiful equation in mathematics. < 1300224883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost like there's some kind of transfer of information between us. < 1300224902 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: And using tau instead of pi as your proportionality constant for circles changes Euler's identity a bit. < 1300224922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why did you suddenly start talking about e? < 1300224935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps in the form of a public IRC channel allowing one of us to see what the other has said and react accordingly. < 1300224936 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You either get e^(i*tau/2)+1=0 (if you want it to be an equivalent formula) or e^(i*tau)=1 (if you want a roughly as-elegant formula) < 1300224990 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Because e^(i*pi)+1=0. What more do you want from us, an explanation of how that works? (which I can offer with ease) < 1300225000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" But the exp(i*pi) + 1 = 0 thing; there was some sort of "most beautiful formula in mathematics" poster with that on it, on the wall in the maths classroom in high school. That's going to be suboptimal as "exp(i*tau) = 1" or some-such." " I love it when people talk about that equation without even explaining it." <<< was this an answer to FIZZIE? < 1300225024 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A comment on what he said, yes. < 1300225027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1300225051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought pikhq_'s integrals of polynomials somehow inspired you and fizzie to simultaneously start talking about e < 1300225070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he had to have integrated the polynomial using the identity exp(i*pi) + 1 = 0 < 1300225078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't get it < 1300225189 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION votes tau as nicer than pi, but agrees that no one cares.
< 1300225207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i care < 1300225220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi should be destroyed < 1300225224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even pi/2 would be better < 1300225239 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1300225252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well quarter-turns are the most used angle < 1300225274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-turns aren't even an angle, they are a fucking line < 1300225288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's actually the best argument ever for this pi / tau thing < 1300225290 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but then you have to have 4s everywhere you have 2s now. which is just ugly < 1300225295 0 :bitmsk!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300225297 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides < 1300225306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is _surprisingly_ pretty < 1300225307 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi was chosen as the first letter in "perimeter" < 1300225311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requesting that pi be changed is failing to see the forest for the trees. < 1300225313 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally < 1300225324 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pi should be the length of the perimeter of a unit circle < 1300225326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not requesting that pi be changed is being a retard tho < 1300225335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, you have the vast edifice of wrongness that is mathematics education, and you go for *that*? < 1300225339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Also http://p.zem.fi/ji0w (and why does the rendering change if I reload that) < 1300225352 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not like having pi like it is hurts anyone < 1300225355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can't i go for both? < 1300225358 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're used to it < 1300225360 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can deal < 1300225368 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, your argument is: "Some things are much worse. Therefore there is no point in fixing this." < 1300225372 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL. < 1300225388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't do complex analysis, i don't mind breaking backwards-compatibility and rendering mathematicians useless for a few years. < 1300225397 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, because the effort would be better spent on so many other things. < 1300225409 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1300225425 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you extrapolate to other things. "There are starving children in Africa, therefore there is no point in stopping you from beating your wife." < 1300225434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: like having to multiply by two all the time? < 1300225443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't wanna spend every waking our multiplying by two < 1300225456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shifting bits is for computers < 1300225461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to wake up and find oklopol furiously multiplying by two in the corner. < 1300225467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that too < 1300225613 0 :bitmsk!5cec1f78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.236.31.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300225657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow i don't really care if pi is changed or not, conventions don't matter at all in mathematics, because you only need to use them in the short reports you write to other mathematicians (say publications), not in your own work, and if you write say a book you can just choose your own convention. < 1300225698 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always just write "let \tau=2\pi" and go from there, anyways. < 1300225699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it certainly is a particularly retarded convention < 1300225703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300225836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e should totally be 3*e < 1300225851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, i mean 2*e < 1300225857 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300225859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, we'd get division and 2 in the equation < 1300225926 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard someone argue that \int 1/x = ln x + C is somehow more fundamental a concept than the actual value of euler's constant. < 1300225928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e should be expressed as the polynomial expansion. < 1300225934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even that ^3 so we get cube root and 3 < 1300225939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*root < 1300226073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value of euler's constant is not very interesting, no, the exponential function is interesting < 1300226124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is just what it does on reals < 1300226167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, we can show that the exponential function corresponds to the conventional exponentials w.r.t. base a certain base e < 1300226168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euler's constant != e. < 1300226174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1300226192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" e should be expressed as the polynomial expansion." <<< what? < 1300226201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1300226208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's e < 1300226213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euler's constant is the harmonic number thing. < 1300226219 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that's really interesting about e is that the integral of e^x is e^x. Everything else really derives from there. < 1300226246 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the derivative, obviously. < 1300226247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well that's outside my understanding, but i thought you were referring to the exponential function \sum 1/(n!) * x^n which is obviously its own derivative < 1300226271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can easily be shown to converge for all x < 1300226296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you look at its behavior on reals, you note that it's just exponentiation (well assuming you know how to do the algebra, i'm sure it's a bit tedious) < 1300226315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :euler's identity is of course rather trivial to see < 1300226325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why people praise it so much < 1300226346 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that infinity series is nothing more than the fairly obvious Taylor series. < 1300226378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the taylor serious i gave < 1300226381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious. < 1300226390 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite. < 1300226402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course infinite < 1300226413 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correcting myself, there. :P < 1300226418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whoops < 1300226425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1300226432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yeah then also i should've nothing said. < 1300226439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing a say < 1300226451 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all comes down to e being the number such that d/dx(e^x)=d^x, and everything else of interest is a consequence of that. < 1300226473 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300226550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm not at all sure euler's identity is easy to prove from the taylor series definition! < 1300226560 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1300226580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you also need to know the Taylor series for sin and cos, but they're easy too. < 1300226588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that help? < 1300226597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean use some geometrical intuition? < 1300226608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's of course trivial, but that's not a proof < 1300226612 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it gets you the identity quickly. < 1300226618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh alrighty < 1300226626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^ix = cos x + i sin x. < 1300226635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen it so i know it's not very long, but i don't really see how it's done < 1300226642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's basically by definition < 1300226643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1300226650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300226665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't see it < 1300226668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show it? < 1300226668 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You plug in "ix" to the Taylor series and do some simplification, and you get the Taylor series for cos(x) plus i times the Taylor series for sin(x). < 1300226677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually just alternate terms < 1300226681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you know the series for sin and cos? < 1300226690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember them < 1300226700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, every second term of the series for e^ix is either a member of the series for cos x, or for i sin x < 1300226715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just recall you use every second term and then some -1 shit < 1300226726 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just noticed that patashu posted in the tau manifesto thread on xkcd fora. where is patashu? < 1300226736 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(x)=1-x^2/2!+x^4/4!-x^6/6!+...; cos(x)=x-x^3/3!+x^5/5!-x^7/7!+... < 1300226752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: he's relatively active in at least one esolang-unrelated forum I'm also relatively active in < 1300226760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mostly by reading < 1300226773 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And e^ix is, of course, 1+ix+(ix)^2/2!＋(ix)^3/3!+... < 1300226793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering where the pi disappears < 1300226793 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=1+ix-x^2/2!+ix^3/3!+.. < 1300226794 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the random big + in the middle there. < 1300226802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in the sin/cos bit. < 1300226816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300226827 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sin/cos" meaning "sin and cos", of course, not tan :P < 1300226844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^(i*pi) = cos(pi) + i sin(pi), then what? < 1300226845 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since you're here can you tell me how to make apt-get work again? dpkg freezes trying to unpack this package and i can't remove the package without it saying "hey you should finish installing this first derp!" < 1300226853 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=(1-x^2/2+x^4/4!-x^6/6!+...)+i(x-x^3/3!+x^5/5!-x^7/7!+...) < 1300226862 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, cos pi = -1, sin pi = 0. < 1300226864 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=sin(x)+icos(x); QED < 1300226867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1300226873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah, that's what we're trying to prove < 1300226877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you prove it? < 1300226889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that cos pi = -1, sin pi = 0? < 1300226890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use geometrical intuition or already know the answer, of course it's easy :D < 1300226895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300226899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you prove that? < 1300226928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you want it from, like, really really basic principles, it won't fit on IRC. < 1300226967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: try to reconfigure the package first (dpkg --configure packagename); if that doesn't work, use dpkg --remove --force-reinstreq package to force an uninstall < 1300226971 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You define sin and cos, as had been done by the ancient Greeks, and then it follows trivially. < 1300226978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the part you need to prove, we haven't done anything yet except rewrite e as two more complicated-looking functions < 1300226993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forcing an uninstall is a bad idea normally as it doesn't guarantee to uninstall cleanly, but it may be the only option if the package is really screwed up) < 1300227003 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Okay, are you seriously doing this? < 1300227010 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: *Seriously*? < 1300227014 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Start from ZFC. < 1300227021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES OK < 1300227028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well i just realized it isn't easy to do, and you disagreed < 1300227052 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's easy to do because knowledge of sin and cos was already available to Euler. < 1300227063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, basically nothing is easy to do if you demand it be derived from scratch. < 1300227091 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: And, indeed, about as obvious and readily doable as arithmetic or algebra. < 1300227106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm asking you to explain how it comes from the definitions, and you haven't even told me what definition you use for pi < 1300227135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use the geometrical definition, that's fine, but then euler's identity is just a definition < 1300227138 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dpkg: error processing streamripper (--configure): package streamripper is not ready for configuration cannot configure (current status `half-installed') < 1300227149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ a bit of trivial algebra you already mentioned < 1300227184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start from ZFC, sheesh < 1300227193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1300227209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to quote that < 1300227214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"start from ZFC", sheesh < 1300227236 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Just extrapolation to absurdity of what you're already doing. < 1300227270 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit like saying "Well, how do you know that *NULL is a segfault? Start by defining C." < 1300227293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it certainly was that, but saying something is easy, and skipping the part where the actual work is because "it's just zfc stuff" is sort of stupid. < 1300227311 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: finally found the option to force-remove it < 1300227315 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've already demonstrated that it was likely easy to Euler. < 1300227323 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind, *he already had cosine and sine available*. < 1300227331 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Taylor series. < 1300227339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't really know what framework he was doing shit in < 1300227346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I did tell you what the option was in the same line < 1300227359 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes but you were wrong < 1300227387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300227389 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really was just a matter of going "Huh, wonder what e^ix is. Let's try this." < 1300227393 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct command was dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r < 1300227421 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is an extra remove in there for who know what reason) < 1300227443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300227510 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: He had calculus, he had power series, he had Taylor series, he had algebra, he had geometry, he had trigonometry. Now why do you want us to define what Euler would have taken for granted 300 years ago? < 1300227532 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the purpose of showing that it wasn't hard for Euler. < 1300227545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't the definition of pi we're using? < 1300227553 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gaaaah*. < 1300227563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300227564 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone suggest a simple sound recorder app that saves arbitrarily long files as mp3. " < 1300227575 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"simple" is defined as "small and doesn't break a lot" < 1300227605 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-12249172#_blank < 1300227606 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously don't know what pi is < 1300227620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If by "extra remove" you mean that there's both --force-remove-reinstreq and -r, that's because categorically the "--force-things" flags only specify things that can or can not be done, while the "-r" is the actual action. < 1300227620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know some of its properties < 1300227644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does noöne in that article have any slight doubts about *starting paedo hunts against anyone with unusually good grammar*? < 1300227655 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no i mean the extra string "remove" inside "--force-remove-reinstreq" since its a flag that's only gonna get used when removing anyway... < 1300227667 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, the Egyptians knew more about geometry than you when they were building the pyramids. < 1300227677 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they thought the Sun was a god. < 1300227696 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300227707 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"--force-noreinstreq" would be clearer < 1300227742 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That doesn't really make any sense. Force to do what about packages in the "reinstreq" state? < 1300227769 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know it was a package state < 1300227789 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking "force there to be no reinstallation requirement" < 1300227815 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so possibly "--force-ignore-reinstreq" < 1300227827 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that would make sense. < 1300227869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also regarding the other thing, sox (or the "rec" command specialization of it) might work for long files. < 1300227878 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sox, eh < 1300227880 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks it up
< 1300227924 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1300227929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has quite a few options, so the man page is bit on the long side. < 1300227929 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one hangs on unpacking too < 1300227934 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything hangs on unpacking! < 1300227953 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running dpkg with debug didn't show any obvious errors... < 1300227984 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm...it stopped hanging :P < 1300227990 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least some sox builds I've seen do MP3; but I'm not sure if they all do, due to patents and such. < 1300228033 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is apparently a tool called saydate that doesn't do anything but play the date over the sound card via TTS < 1300228080 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O' Some of the MP3 patents expire in 2017. < 1300228097 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MP3 *itself* was first released in 1993. < 1300228106 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone actually got a patent on MP3 after it had been out for 4 years. < 1300228116 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1300228122 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought patents lasted 25 years < 1300228127 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300228129 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's US < 1300228138 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fraunhofer IIS is german isn't it < 1300228147 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, sorry, *1991*. < 1300228156 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300228186 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Moot. It's unpatentable outside of the US. < 1300228213 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh\ < 1300228214 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300228230 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300228246 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*AAaagh* < 1300228251 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But somehow they got patents anyways. < 1300228264 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION votes we nuke patent law.
< 1300228266 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only way. < 1300228306 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1300228327 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sox is really cool and really weird < 1300228339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as sex < 1300228342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the funny. < 1300228347 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex also < 1300228361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the whoa part < 1300228371 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't see how one can crop an audio file at just the right place with it < 1300228386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically with the "trim" filter. < 1300228395 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300228400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i told about that time i wrote some python code while having sex < 1300228415 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like actually typed it, or mentally composed it? < 1300228429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sox input.wav output.wav trim 20 30" == extract 30 seconds starting from second 20. < 1300228449 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can be specified in samples too for more accuracy.) < 1300228456 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you say "cut 36 samples off the end of the file"? < 1300228469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: actually typed it. < 1300228494 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that sounds like the nerdiest thing ever. what did the code do < 1300228518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Try out yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1300228535 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello cpressey < 1300228538 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the link < 1300228541 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bai < 1300228541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said "i can't have sex because i have to code this thing. unless it's fine if i do both" and it was; it then soon became just sex so i guess i was cheated out of a nice coding time < 1300228548 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i assume the goat was not amused < 1300228558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code was just some part of some silly game or something, don't remember < 1300228588 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does lambdabot let you leave messages for people in here? < 1300228595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm going to have to ask what yoob does < 1300228600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to know if I should click on the link < 1300228603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: memoserv does < 1300228606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some people miss the message < 1300228612 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's an implementation of 14 esolangs in a java applet < 1300228618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that does sound awesome < 1300228629 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 or 14 or some number like that < 1300228635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, uh... "sox input.wav output.wav reverse : trim 36s : reverse" might work. < 1300228643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though java applets officially no longer exist < 1300228657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "trim" filter doesn't take end-relative offsets, unfortunately.) < 1300228661 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know lambdabot can leave messages for people in #haskell, i just don't know about here (actually i have no reason to believe it wouldn't here, but i forget the syntax) < 1300228663 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds lame. trim -36s seems more logical < 1300228664 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: help < 1300228701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: is the thing all those languages have in common that they're two-dimensional? < 1300228704 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, darn. what have they been replaced with? btw two of the esolangs in yoob right now are yours (BackFlip and Black) < 1300228711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed < 1300228718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sure, it's just that most of sox is written to work with potentially endless streams, so you can't find the concept of an end very often. < 1300228721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: they've been replaced by Java Web Start, which is a bad idea on many levels < 1300228725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not completely useless < 1300228736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly, because not only is it not a straight replacement, it's something completely different < 1300228744 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes; although the framework isn't restricted to 2d languages, it has better support for them than for text-based < 1300228745 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so what does reverse do? :P < 1300228775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not part of the "most". < 1300228787 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i remember asking you about that. well, ... as long as applets continue to work. the current implementation can be run locally too, i'm sure i could JWS-ify it if need be < 1300228835 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accelerating pace from APNIC... < 1300228837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWSifying something isn't normally too hard < 1300228844 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We may well see APNIC depletion in April. < 1300228846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are so many insane design decisions < 1300228865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Microsoft Internet Explorer integration was a particularly stupid one, although it works (less "well") in other browsers too < 1300228880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "well" means "runs without confirmation on the basis that the java interp's meant to sandbox the program" < 1300228909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all well and good, except that it allows things - by default - that web browsing shouldn't allow, such as creating new windows < 1300228934 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a step backwards, yeah < 1300228970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Okay, it's a bit lame. The silence-trimming command can remove stuff from the end of the file too, not sure if you could abuse that (the syntax is quite complicated). Also possibly the :s shouldn't be there. It's not the most user-friendly program ever. < 1300228981 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen lambdabot < 1300228981 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1300228986 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1300228986 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1300229021 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: add spiral to the list! i already have a java implementation of it lying around this hard disk somewhere... < 1300229027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The : seems to be related to something where you have multiple chains of multiple effects.) < 1300229054 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey! < 1300229057 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300229060 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1300229064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did you come in? < 1300229066 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais < 1300229077 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo My friend says the "Chinese" characters in that dialog box of yours ( http://i.imgur.com/fT4Wm.png ) are almost certainly gibberish; many of them are too rare to occur so frequently. < 1300229077 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1300229147 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i want something that lets you edit waveforms directly, like audacity, but without all the filters and effects and bloat. or something like windows sndrec32 without the length limitation and with the ability to save as mp3. < 1300229181 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://www.quintopia.net/JSpI.java ? i'll consider it < 1300229188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rec blah.mp3" is pretty close to that. < 1300229194 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300229243 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i keep forgetting that my website is up. but i think there was a more recent version that fixed a bug. < 1300229252 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can't stay long, just announcing a link in the topic and leaving a message for Sgeo < 1300229290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is yoob? < 1300229325 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oiiii < 1300229337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: interp for a bunch of 2D esolangs < 1300229339 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's an implementation of 13 or 14 esolangs in a java applet < 1300229384 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you have a message for me? < 1300229384 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1300229398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i do < 1300229403 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peeps! < 1300229405 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/puzzles/ < 1300229410 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have some puzzles < 1300229414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1300229426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1300229430 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: does it highlight the pointer location as it executes? < 1300229439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes < 1300229442 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1300229443 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to add to those puzzles too < 1300229449 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheres oerjan :| < 1300229453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bastard < 1300229478 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically does what my spiral gui app did then, but maybe without some spiral-specific stuff < 1300229498 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like interpreting spiral < 1300229504 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300229506 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, all < 1300229508 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300230036 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300230137 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1300230139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300230349 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1300230364 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has language-specific stuff for every language < 1300230399 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-42.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300230414 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300230662 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol the noit o' mnain worb thing seems awesome. the > seems to serve as a maxwell's demon in the "pressure" example < 1300230669 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300230695 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, a diode i suppose. < 1300230785 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300230800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an awesome language < 1300230809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what its probability of being TC is < 1300230817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., can you make an 80% BF interpreter in it with a suitable infinite program? < 1300230893 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "80% BF" slang for BF without I/O? < 1300230954 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1300230977 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think you could make a BF interpreter that succeeds with probability 1 actually. < 1300230987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, really? < 1300230994 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300231008 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement arbitrary circuits in it...one of the examples is a transistor < 1300231130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a reliable transistor < 1300231137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't act the same way as normal transistors < 1300231144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I'm not sure if it even has a fanout above 1 < 1300231160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's fanout? < 1300231164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the fanout's less than 1, you couldn't use it in a loop < 1300231174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that's easy to explain < 1300231175 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although as the implementation page indicates, unless we solve the wire-crossing problem, it is only TC in 3+ dimensions < 1300231176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the number of things you can connect the output of a circuit to < 1300231183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300231186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are of the same nature as the circuit itself < 1300231189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it starts malfunctioning < 1300231210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically it's somewhere between 10 and 200 for electronic circuits < 1300231229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1300231302 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can get fanout 2 with nearly the same reliability of the fanout 1 version < 1300231305 0 :bitmsk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1300231320 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, i see what your complaint is < 1300231369 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i still stay you can get a BF interpreter with prob. 1-eps, where eps is a function of the length of time you allow for the system to "settle down" before making a measurement. < 1300231401 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you could require that a ! gets hit 1000 times before you output the result < 1300231481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like, you can make the likelihood of an error happening decrease, as the program is executed, fast enough that altogether you get 1-e probability for the whole run being correct, for any program < 1300231508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that sounds feasible enough, although i never quite understood this tcness thing < 1300231516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I've been wondering about: Funge-98, with the difference that all commands but ; have a 50% chance of doing nothing rather than what they're meant to do < 1300231518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that it's still TC < 1300231522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although much more annoying to write in < 1300231612 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you execute the program 2^n times where n is the number of instructions, you expect to get a result one of those times. and you can make the probability you don't get a result arbitrarily low by executing it enough times. therefore, i'd say that would also be at least 1-e TC. < 1300231669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crucial thing in this kind of stuff is usually to make sure that the probability of making an error gets smaller and smaller < 1300231688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have arbitrarily long runs with a constant prob of failing < 1300231702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since funge can modify its code, this might actually be doable < 1300231706 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ok to learn differential equations (from Khan Academy) at the same time as multivariable calculus (from OCW)? < 1300231740 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point oklopol < 1300231751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sgeo: i'd suggest reading a book instead) < 1300231762 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, :( < 1300231765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Books aren't free < 1300231782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they kind of are < 1300231793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this new thing called illegal piracy < 1300231825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like stealing but YOU are the victim < 1300231828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1300231832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made no sense < 1300231890 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like stilling but John dies in the end. < 1300231893 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stealing < 1300231949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but really it doesn't matter much what you're doing, as long as you have a long list of problems to work on < 1300231981 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate working on problems < 1300231987 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should force myself to though < 1300231993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's all you have to do < 1300232010 0 :variable!~variable@bing63.oneida-a.binghamton.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300232016 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300232016 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300232025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least that's the easiest way < 1300232087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yeah differential eq's and that stuff isn't that much fun, discrete math is better < 1300232090 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I muse in here while I read? < 1300232105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why couldn't you < 1300232120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't do my group theory homework :( < 1300232123 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, without angering everyone < 1300232136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well that i can't promise. you can't anger me that way < 1300232146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but < 1300232169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: everyone else does, and the people who have you on facepalm also have you on ignore < 1300232173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you won't annoy them < 1300232179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :group theory is scary so i have a hard time getting started with the problems < 1300232198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are usually pretty easy but they look scaaaaary < 1300232206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are people plural with me on ignore? < 1300232212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1300232257 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how it makes sense to speak of origin vectors, if vectors don't have a location but just direction and magnitude < 1300232306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if xi is the irreducible character of G, show that sum_{t \in G} xi(t) = 0, if xi is not the 1 character" < 1300232318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does that even mean?!? maybe i should open the book. < 1300232351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: maybe it tells what those vectors are used for, in the context < 1300232420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you define a vector to be an element of R^2, then i don't see what origin could specify. unless the set of origin vectors is {(0, 0)} < 1300232444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say that an origin vector starts at the origin < 1300232451 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, let me find it in the PDF, hold on < 1300232476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then presumably they use some other definition for vector < 1300232484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1300232484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the xy-plane if we place the tail of A at the origin, its head will be at the point with < 1300232484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coordinates, say, (a1, a2). In this way, the coordinates of the head determine the vector A. < 1300232484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When we draw A from the origin we will refer to it as an origin vector" < 1300232496 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think origin vector may just be referring to the geometric view < 1300232517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what they say < 1300232555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1300232566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe they define vectors to be equivalence classes of lines drawn on a paper w.r.t. translation, that can be shown to be equivalent to R^2 for infinite papers < 1300232575 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the stuff in the PDF, I don't want to watch a 38min lecture < 1300232599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then don't < 1300232660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I skipped ahead in the video < 1300232675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's talking about dot products, which wasn't in the PDFs, but it seems to be the next session < 1300232676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and were you all like WHAT IS THIS SHIT OMG < 1300232702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what dot products are? < 1300232724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: products made by Dot, inc. < 1300232744 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that's in the next session, so when I go there, I'll learn, presumably < 1300232761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1300232796 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-189-57.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300232804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering in general, i learned the geometric content of dot products years and years ago since i did game programming < 1300232815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300232866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that's not very interesting < 1300232940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's somewhat interesting < 1300232954 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Use vectors to prove that the diagonals of a parallelogram bisect each other" < 1300232959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should watch the video... < 1300233000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I should get some paper... < 1300233022 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: APPLETS ARE MADE OF SO MUCH FAIL < 1300233028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave this for the weekend, I think < 1300233034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculate the middle point of diagonal 1 by adding up the relevant vectors, then calculate the midpoint of diagonal 2 < 1300233041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you have to use the same corner as the origin < 1300233061 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1300233061 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300233066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur! < 1300233071 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I was not asking for a solution < 1300233073 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs oklopol
< 1300233076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: don't leave it for the weekend < 1300233079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy < 1300233096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and i wasn't giving one, i just translated that into a mathematical problem < 1300233126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really, but the point is all that's hard in the problem is to know what you have to solve < 1300233134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not math < 1300233142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus not fun < 1300233145 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to watch some Firefly now < 1300233151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefly is good < 1300233163 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviouslt < 1300233166 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously* < 1300233256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly
< 1300233263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only with my hands, as I don't have oerjan's crazy swatter thing < 1300233290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem asked is, for a pair of vectors (u, v), we define the midpoint of u and v as mid(u, v) = (u + v)/2; show that mid(0, u + v) = mid(u, v) < 1300233341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how incredibly interesting! < 1300233374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just algebra? < 1300233396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, trivial algebra < 1300233415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, you open the definitions and use a few identities that hold in vector spaces < 1300233428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300233441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather trivial identities, even < 1300233486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely that the zero vector is an identity element in the group of vectors < 1300233497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(group w.r.t. addition) < 1300233521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm just picking on the course Sgeo is on for asking a question with no mathematical content < 1300233578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: most of the questions I ask on the course I teach ask questions with no mathematical content < 1300233588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, it isn't a maths class, so they wouldn't be expected to have any < 1300233613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is taking a course of some sort on i dunno elementary school math i guess < 1300233622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, multivariable calculus < 1300233626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that stuff < 1300233627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300233630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/part-a-vectors-determinants-and-planes/session-1-vectors/ < 1300233655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the multivariable calculus course we had here is horribly hard, i barely got a 5 from it < 1300233767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mit, huh? that's a big name, maybe they know what's useful to learn better than me < 1300234147 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300234147 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300234147 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300234153 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300234301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300234374 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300234483 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300234745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i just got a great idea < 1300234760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't sleep at all, i get to go to the university now! < 1300234798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one small but, i don't get to sleep at all < 1300234811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in quite a pickle < 1300235001 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300235004 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300235536 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062053.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300235742 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300237181 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300237465 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300237610 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300237900 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PDF didn't say i-hat, it said i < 1300237901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300238293 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300238344 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300238347 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the fuck is oerjan < 1300238520 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300238561 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin! \o/ < 1300238562 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           | < 1300238562 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           |\ < 1300238565 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X < 1300238707 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1300238785 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey :D < 1300238803 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/puzzles/1/ < 1300238806 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have more puzzle! < 1300238975 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan i was wrong about the 2 2-cycles 3 4-cycles one :x < 1300238976 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1300239008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in the class just asked the question I was thinking, and was going to ask here < 1300239177 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creat@libc.so: STILL AVAILABLE < 1300239218 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300239421 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300239711 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT professors have awesome blackboards < 1300240031 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackboards suck < 1300240075 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300240104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/part-a-vectors-determinants-and-planes/session-1-vectors/MIT18_02SC_we_3_comb.pdf < 1300240117 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me way too long to remember the trig behind that answer < 1300240237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The midpoint P = ⇒ (B + A) − C < 1300240238 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1300240251 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The midpoint P = ⇒ (B + A) − C. < 1300240260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't let me copy what I need to copy < 1300240266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/part-a-vectors-determinants-and-planes/session-1-vectors/MIT18_02SC_we_4_comb.pdf < 1300240276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.. how that works, but I don't think I'd be able to do it myself < 1300240369 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300240784 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaah, Glee. Perhaps the worst thing about it is that its obnoxious focus on modern popular music. < 1300241281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's eyes light up when he realizes that the first question requires no trig... wait
< 1300241296 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer has to be in terms of... angle ? So it does < 1300241452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs
< 1300241583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Como se dice "right angle" in vectorese? < 1300241665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I'm subtracting. I'll just draw that < 1300241774 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300241776 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-180-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300241844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I know what I'm doing, WTF does this problem have to do with vectors? < 1300241849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a trig problem < 1300242025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a) A river flows at 3 mph and a rower rows at 6 mph. What heading should the rower < 1300242025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take to go straight across a river?" < 1300242040 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy enough once I decided to just ignore anything related to vectors < 1300242054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except remembering subtraction, which helped me visualize it < 1300242420 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: right angle in vectorese is "orthogonal" which formulaically means "have a dot product of zero" < 1300242436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't gotten to dot products yet < 1300242469 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of did glance ahead, but have no conception of what dot products mean geometrically. I'm going to watch the video, I think < 1300242530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that problem in vectorese would be "find theta such that 6*[cos theta,sin theta]+[0,3]=[x,0]" < 1300242573 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can see reduces to solving 6sin theta=3 < 1300242589 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300242591 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, just putting things in perspective :P < 1300242861 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION headaches in the shape of parallelograms
< 1300242897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to read the solutions and move on with my life < 1300242931 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And laziness means half of my solution for the first question is wrong < 1300243815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you inadertantly gave me an answer to one of these problems < 1300243893 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't < 1300243946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you haven't even seen the problem I'm referring to < 1300243972 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. therefore i couldn't give you the answer. < 1300243987 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it is impossible to give an answer inadvertently < 1300244003 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have given you some information that made it possible for you to find the solution < 1300244010 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not exactly the same < 1300244366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Do not guess at cosines < 1300244397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided that cos(30deg) = 1/sqrt(2) < 1300244629 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chants tau at Sgeo
< 1300244800 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: did you check out the puzzles? < 1300244851 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be so terrible to write 2pi/2 everywhere? < 1300244868 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2pi/8, etc. < 1300244875 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1300244885 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refuse to simplify! < 1300244888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes nuts
< 1300244899 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: checking now :) < 1300244970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good *God* the Fukushima-Daiichi reactor is in a bad state. < 1300245040 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: do you have an answer yourself? :P < 1300245057 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: or did you just figure out how to express your usual question in graphical form and are hoping someone figures it out? :P < 1300245082 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the answer :) < 1300245082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Containment breach, meltdown, too radioactive to allow humans near... < 1300245098 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the question is
< 1300245104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see that equations with x, y, and z, whether they are planes, or empty sets... using dot products somehow? < 1300245105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burning spent fuel rods... < 1300245113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I renounce my fear of dot products < 1300245152 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: the question is what explains it! < 1300245157 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1300245268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1300245276 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ill be back in a bit < 1300245277 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300245279 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300245391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300245392 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-6.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300245409 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1300245446 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300245450 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300245461 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend brought up an interesting question to me, maybe some of you dudes have ideas < 1300245477 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's trying to optimize deflate compression on a wordlist < 1300245483 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list doesn't need to be in order < 1300245504 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the question is, is there a method that could be used to squeeze a bit extra out of deflate by rearranging the order of the words? < 1300245983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Take points P = (a, 1, −1), Q = (0, 1, 1), R = (a, −1, 3). For what value(s) of a is P QR < 1300245983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a right angle < 1300245985 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1300245991 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QR is never a right angle < 1300246012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is it asking for all 3 2d angles to be right angles at once? Because QR is never a right angle < 1300246063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O...k < 1300246068 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misunderstood the question < 1300246095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's all laugh at Sgeo for forgetting basic geometry! < 1300246127 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, basic notation regarding geometry < 1300246182 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300246193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, feel free to laugh at me < 1300246226 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok < 1300246245 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1300246255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: sussed it yet? < 1300246263 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: nope :/ < 1300246268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300246271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask me questions! < 1300246280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, not understanding what was meant by "angle PQR" < 1300246290 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what < 1300246307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I failed to properly comprehend the question < 1300246316 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what question < 1300246328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this OpenCourseWare course I'm doing < 1300246342 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300246342 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300246344 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont care < 1300246899 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: are there infinite non-isomorphic pictures you could provide? < 1300246909 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1300246923 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you run out of pictures, eventually? < 1300246926 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this particular problem < 1300246930 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300247084 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: tho keep in mind that this is entailed by the fact that oerjan discovered, which is that the disjoint union of graphs is always a member < 1300247199 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1300247204 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats not why < 1300247207 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its merely entailed < 1300247213 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, its part of why < 1300247216 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even without that < 1300247472 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1300247477 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1300247484 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno :P < 1300247489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask questions about it! < 1300247689 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I wasting time by writing an Mandelbrot set generator in C? < 1300247697 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. I guess I could count this as C practice. < 1300247697 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inda < 1300247699 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda* < 1300247699 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: its really simple and elegant underlyingly :) < 1300247735 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it is :P < 1300247748 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300247890 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: no questions? :( < 1300247927 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, doing other stuff too < 1300247932 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ok < 1300248061 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: are all the words unique? < 1300248078 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1300248093 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously myndzi is dead < 1300248213 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tes < 1300248217 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1300248231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's still online because \o/ still works < 1300248232 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                  ¦ < 1300248232 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                 ´¸¨ < 1300248238 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1300248238 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300248241 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1300248245 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi hates me :() < 1300248247 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1300248248 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try adding some leading spaces < 1300248252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1300248252 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                | < 1300248253 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                >\ < 1300248255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300248256 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>| < 1300248266 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that complicated < 1300248273 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will murder you, myndzi < 1300248304 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: change your nick to "my" or "zi" or "dz" or something so people will stop complaining when it doesn't work :P < 1300248332 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300248397 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-60.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300248416 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300248427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, apparently the OCW Multivariable calculus course includes stuff about matrices and determinants < 1300248454 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a major component of linear algebra? Is this course going to give me knowledge of linear algebra on the side? < 1300248483 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a major overlap between calculus and lin alg < 1300248662 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people should just figure out that i can't put a foot in my nick < 1300248663 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300248664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That overlap is an example of the solid FAIL of mathematics education. < 1300248666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should do the later stuff in the earlier calculus < 1300248681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, that's pretty normal. < 1300248707 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about Taylor series, about improper integrals, I don't remember more advanced integration stuff.. < 1300248726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I deliberately pushed all introduction of trig where the original problem doesn't have trig out of my mind < 1300248737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need trig. < 1300248767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do the derivatives and integrals of sine and cosine... < 1300248782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And derivative of tangent given a bit of time, since I haven't memorized it < 1300248796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memorise trig identities. And when you're done with that, do it again. < 1300248812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin/cos=tan < 1300248818 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin^2+cos^2=1 < 1300249062 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: what? foot in your nick? < 1300249063 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get it < 1300249205 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i don't consider it fail. i think calc 3 should have strong lin alg elements in it. you should know basic lin alg coming in and not have to be retaught it, but calculus techniques should be added to your lin alg arsenal < 1300249309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think linear algebra should be taught long before then. < 1300249333 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exactly. i just said the same thing. < 1300249361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you said "the status quo is just fine". < 1300249371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the exact *opposite* of what I'm saying. < 1300249538 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the status quo of math in general is not fine < 1300249553 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this particular part of the curriculum's organization makes sense to me < 1300249558 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you change specifically < 1300249594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teach linear algebra before, not after & during, calc 3. < 1300249627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And beat whoever thought that teaching vectors 4 or 5 seperate fucking times was a good idea. < 1300249628 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is how it is done now. i was asking what you wanted to change. < 1300249647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :News to me! < 1300249667 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something must be wrong with your school < 1300249686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you reside? < 1300249693 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atlanta < 1300249711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only conclude your school is less stupid than most. < 1300249837 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here at gatech, lin alg is done during the first 1/3 of calc 2 (the last 2/3 are actual calculus topics) < 1300249850 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300249851 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just took a peek at the final exam < 1300249853 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got that backwards < 1300249864 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It states a trigonometric identity right there < 1300249867 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the top of the exam < 1300249869 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first 1/3 is single variable calc and the last 2/3 is lin alg < 1300249889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, GA Tech isn't quite as stupid as some other places. < 1300249890 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i53.tinypic.com/hwd6is.png < 1300249894 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i52.tinypic.com/b9dkzb.png < 1300249897 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so taken as a series, calc I,II,III is svc, then lin alg, then MVC < 1300249900 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the difference between abs and fabsf. < 1300249915 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opps < 1300249926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my experience, calc II has consisted of more single variable calculus, and calc III has been multivariable calculus. < 1300249940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then comes linear algebra. < 1300249950 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what school are you at < 1300249972 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.gatech.edu/course/math/1502 < 1300249975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, local community college, but this is the *third* fucking school I've been to. < 1300250024 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculus and then linear algebra? < 1300250025 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300250027 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't take calc I or calc II here though < 1300250032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did calc I as an AP class, calc II at University of Colorado, and calc III at Missouri University of Science & Technology, and am now doing linear algebra at the community college. < 1300250045 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, anyone familiar with voting system research? < 1300250050 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like, actual research) < 1300250054 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: depends which country your in. in the US you would be right < 1300250059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm in the US. < 1300250059 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took AP calc in high school to exempt calc I, then adv calc and lin alg as separate courses at a community college while in high school to exempt calc II < 1300250065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is quintopia. < 1300250069 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: minimally I've read some studies but I don't know it well < 1300250078 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i know the arrow thm < 1300250084 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any modern stuff < 1300250101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Calc II is a hard prereq for linear algebra. < 1300250116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is basically "single-variable calculus we didn't teach you in calc I". < 1300250141 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which...doesn't make any sense < 1300250161 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about they just squeeze that stuff into calc I and then teach a whole course on lin alg :P < 1300250203 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in the EU system they do that. EU Calc I is == US Calc I and Calc II; and EU calc II is == calc III + more < 1300250209 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: arrow theorem? < 1300250220 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: basically: there is no perfect voting system < 1300250230 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: oh yeah, that's not the exciting one < 1300250240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random voting FTW? :P < 1300250248 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what we have at UW is calc 1, 2, and 3, with 3 being multivariate < 1300250251 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more accurately: one can't convert a ranked order of preferences into a group pref < 1300250257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Likewise. < 1300250265 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebra is given in Algebra, Lin Alg I, Lin Alg II < 1300250267 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a spearate stream < 1300250280 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: rather, there is no system where more than 2 candidates can be voted on that satisfies 3 specific "fairness" principles. there can still be a "perfect" system if you redefine "fair" < 1300250297 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebra is a singular course that is basically 'learn to proof' < 1300250307 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear algebra teaches, unsurprisingly, linear algebra < 1300250307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single linear algebra course, a presumption you're familiar with elementary algebra, and that's about it on the algebra front unless you're seeking a math degree. < 1300250310 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes. I wasn't giving a precise definition < 1300250316 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh yeah, this is math faculty < 1300250322 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what other faculties do < 1300250337 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank preferences are kind of a shitty way to vote anyway < 1300250348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point you, of course, actually have all the fun stuff in the cirriculum. :) < 1300250357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curriculum, even. < 1300250383 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka < 1300250386 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also calculus 4 and 5 for amath) < 1300250387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discrete math <3 < 1300250391 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: who? < 1300250395 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :students or me in particular? < 1300250405 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmath > amath < 1300250413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:24 < pikhq> Single linear algebra course, a presumption you're familiar with elementary algebra, and that's about it on the algebra front unless you're seeking a math degree. < 1300250416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Following that. < 1300250450 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fair for the arrow thm is basically if all people like A > B then A will be chosen, no person has more power than another, and something about changing votes < 1300250452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Calc 4 and 5? What's in those? < 1300250467 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: typically formal proofs of Calc 1 and Calc 2 < 1300250503 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight all! < 1300250507 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: night < 1300250519 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is Vector integral calculus-line integrals, surface integrals and vector fields, Green's theorem, the Divergence theorem, and Stokes' theorem. Applications include conservation laws, fluid flow and electromagnetic fields. An introduction to Fourier analysis. Fourier series and the Fourier transform. Parseval's formula. Frequency analysis of signals. Discrete and continuous spectra. < 1300250540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah. < 1300250546 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is actually an informal name; I can't remember which course it actually is at the moment < 1300250588 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think it's partial DEs 1 or something like that < 1300250602 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, there is a partial DEs 2 < 1300250625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Damn you people and your genuinely good education. < 1300250626 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never took diffeq >.> < 1300250635 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should come to UW! < 1300250638 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took the required calc stuff and moved on the discrete stuff as fast as possible < 1300250668 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what? i've never had cause to solve an ODE since then! < 1300250676 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for engineers to do, i suppose < 1300250677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Cash is, no doubt, a limiting factor. < 1300250753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention my current GPA making going to a high-quality school nigh-impossible. Damned past me doing stupid shit. < 1300250759 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: very true, unfortunately. UW does have a program by which they'll waive fees if they're convinced you're giving them everything you can, but I'm not familiar with it < 1300250762 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh :( < 1300250882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPA's a much harder point < 1300250898 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't really understand how they determine transfer admissions < 1300250931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, cost would be insanely prohibitive for me as an international student. < 1300251050 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, they do have a "you're doing your best, we will bite the bullet to let you learn" program, which you might be able to get < 1300251064 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know little about it < 1300251288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, seems that I'd actually be able to transfer in, but financing is... Not fucking happening at all. < 1300251316 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300251328 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300251710 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: again, they do have that financing option; no clue if it's reasonable and life would probably suck < 1300251724 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem well-advertised on the website, but it's probably not the sort of thing you want to advertise < 1300251802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were Canadian, I would have already been going there, though. < 1300251843 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pains me to see someone not able to get a good education because of $$$ < 1300251848 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd help you out if I had the money < 1300251882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame the US post-secondary education. < 1300251906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your international tuition rates are comparable to domestic tuition rates at some schools. < 1300251914 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know, it's crazy < 1300251935 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember talking to a guy /from Pennsylvania/ for whom it was cheaper to go to McGill than Penn State < 1300251944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it. < 1300252099 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, epic < 1300252111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300252123 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a magic rules help channel on EFNet with a bot that prints card text < 1300252137 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy joined and called up two card texts; me an another judge both answered his question before he asked it < 1300252160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1300252164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which two cards? < 1300252202 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hero of bladehold and gideon < 1300252312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obvious question is obvious. < 1300252408 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300252409 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1300252512 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300252521 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done similar things with scripting < 1300252527 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any magic cards these days < 1300252533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know vaguely the rules of MtG, but none of the cards < 1300252536 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to run a bot for some mtg channel that did scramble text < 1300252537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except lands, of course < 1300252547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, the basic lands, I mean < 1300252547 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were like 5800 cards or something at the time(?) < 1300252552 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was like a decade ago < 1300252560 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5800 that doesn't sound right < 1300252585 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know where the script is now < 1300252692 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that might be correct after all < 1300252696 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says there's like 15k now < 1300252699 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1300252729 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the card text an question>' < 1300252800 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.google.com/images?q=hero%20of%20bladehold&hl=en&biw=1236&bih=599 < 1300252808 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&biw=1236&bih=599&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=gideon+magic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= < 1300252892 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't actually know what that shit is on the planeswalker card < 1300252920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts with 6 .. I don't remember the term < 1300252941 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then add +2 or -2 or 0 for the relevent ability, I think < 1300252944 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it before < 1300252950 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my memory may be bad < 1300252958 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loyalty < 1300252970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1300252972 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just increase it indefinitely? < 1300252980 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes away if 0? < 1300252982 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1300252987 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's some other new card type, 'tribal'? < 1300252987 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loyalty < 1300252989 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly magic < 1300252993 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: oh yeah, tribal < 1300252994 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's become such a money grab < 1300252995 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1300252996 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be a good game < 1300253002 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still a good game < 1300253007 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better game, I'd argue < 1300253008 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it just reinvents itself with trilogies over and over to make people spend money < 1300253024 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true, but that's part of the fun; it changes < 1300253033 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but it's too greedy for my taste < 1300253044 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drafting is really popular < 1300253047 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't suppose they could maintain the community they have without doing something like that though i guess < 1300253054 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in the same way < 1300253063 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd prefer a self contained game really < 1300253067 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to ... stop, at some point < 1300253072 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a new game instead or something, i dunon < 1300253099 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier tonight i figured out most of how to make mafia a two player card game < 1300253114 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a dvorak project perhaps ;p < 1300253126 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever played mafia though < 1300253136 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit funny since it seems popular on the internet < 1300253221 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never played it on the internet < 1300253229 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a great game in real life < 1300254663 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300254700 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1300254717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*optbot@208.78.103.* < 1300254727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1300254770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300254838 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300255183 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300256128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: boo! < 1300256134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300256134 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1300256166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell oerjan i was wrong about the 2 2-cycles 3 4-cycles one :x < 1300256170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1300256444 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300256566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then 2 2-cycles + n 4-cycles should be in general < 1300256569 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300256866 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231245.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300256899 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300257285 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300258482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" dmath > amath" <<< ! < 1300258758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is discrete math considered math where you do your stuff? :) < 1300258805 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask me these questions when i'm trying to pretend to be asleep < 1300258810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get a lot of students from france but they are all from the cs dep because the math dep just does analysis and we don't have that much of that < 1300258836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their math dep just does analysis i mean < 1300258940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have it all backwards there < 1300259195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upside down land < 1300259197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1300260924 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up oklo < 1300261064 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300261312 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300262399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1300262400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1300265276 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: haha < 1300266213 0 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d93295ad.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300268146 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300268209 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300268247 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300268251 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300268277 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest945 < 1300270446 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300271017 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1300271446 0 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db429cf.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300271525 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132233.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300272596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300277561 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300277773 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300277773 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300277773 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300277916 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300279270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300279281 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-185.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300279325 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131042.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300279405 0 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300279428 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300279460 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300279705 0 :Guest945!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1300280292 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300280361 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan i'll have to generate more to confirm your predictions up to some level of accuracy < 1300280489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit lambdabot :| < 1300280715 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300280741 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300281771 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1300281793 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300282102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300282290 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300282782 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300283245 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300284270 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300284365 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300284443 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1300285912 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300285963 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300286094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300286202 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300289205 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300289836 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1300289926 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300290137 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can there be two programs A and B where A is a plugin for B, but B is a plugin for A (depending on the situation)? what is an actual use case for this? < 1300290212 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your definition of "plugin". If piping data to each other is considered to be a "plugin", then practically every application in the standard Unix toolchest fits that description. < 1300290216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Word and Excel ever since Windows 3.1 < 1300290226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can embed Word documents into Excel documents, and vice versa < 1300290245 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a less-ambiguously-plugin example, innit X-P < 1300290247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, the concept's of dubious utility < 1300290254 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aha < 1300290305 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: basically, X is a plugin of Y if X registers for callbacks in Y and executes them, later passing control back to Y right after the callbacks are executed. < 1300291360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300291374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no sign of elliott growing up, I see. < 1300291867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what happened? < 1300291889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are the last person I am going to discuss this with. < 1300291895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I had you on ignore... < 1300291907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1300291917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, fixed it. < 1300291927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mustn't have been persistent. < 1300292006 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300292014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people are so... lively, I think is the word. < 1300292355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly not the right word. < 1300292414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's *a* word. < 1300292863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's "circumspect". < 1300293129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300293249 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 2x1k to Nepal, 1k to Hong Kong, 3x64k+3x32k to China, 2k to Fiji, 128k to Taiwan, 512+256 to India, /48 to Australia < 1300293802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/faked-data-unsubstantiated-claims-and-spirituality-add-up-to-a-math-journal-retraction/ < 1300293805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retractions. < 1300293811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a mathematics journal. < 1300293814 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG < 1300293901 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300294411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I made an antioptbot that reverted all of optbot's topic changes, then somebody made an antiantioptbot and oerjan banned it. elliott got all bitchy then modified optbot to change its nick randomly before changing the /topic, then oerjan banned both optbot and antioptbot (the latter being totally useless without optbot anyway). elliott left in a huff, taking Herobrine with him. < 1300295200 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott can't stand the situation when the whole world isn't spinning around him. < 1300295240 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that retraction is great < 1300295256 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got one crazy maths book written by rev. something-or-another. it's full of crazy bs. < 1300295327 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartesian and Argand Values, by The Rev. P. H. Francis, M.A. < 1300295407 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan you're right, (2,n) is always a member < 1300295407 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1300295524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in short, elliott has issues understanding "DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP". < 1300295531 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PREFACE: The author from a study of properties of infinity gave some elementary deductions from these properties, in a short work /Mathematics of Infinity/, in 1968. (...) [F]urther study allowed Parts I-III of the present work to be composed. It then occured to the author to give the coordinate axes electrical units; and Parts IV and V were added, in which the cause of gravity, and the ways in which the earth is heated and lighted are i < 1300295531 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ndicated. But the author has little knowledge of electricity, and less chemistry, and knows little of atomic theories (...) < 1300295680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially. < 1300295745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I actually liked optbot, but if someone goes to the effort of *making an antioptbot*, just fucking stop. < 1300295788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Seems that a massive update hit Debian. < 1300295799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude's spent the last 5 minutes resolving dependencies. < 1300295833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was mainly because he'd been told to implement a fix by oerjan to make the topic-overriding less obnoxious, but then went to sleep and left optbot running unmodified. < 1300295937 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300296006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor made antioptbot and elliott refused to implement the fix until oerjan banned it, and oerjan refused to ban it until elliott made the fix. < 1300296266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300296374 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300297756 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300298359 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300298401 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1300298409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1300298409 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1300298417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1300298417 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur said 50m 12s ago: you're right, (2,n) is always a member < 1300298446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well that follows from your (2,3) change of mind + the disjoint union rule < 1300298456 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300298465 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh.. does it? < 1300298470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1300298475 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1300298521 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, i guess it sort of makes sense < 1300298566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have (2,0), (2,1) and (2,2) as examples. (2,3) you say is also there. now add (0,4) to those repeatedly. < 1300298595 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since (2,1) and (0,2) are members, then (2,1) + n*(0,2) will be too so that gives you 2n+1 < 1300298604 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie the odd numbers < 1300298626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you don't have (0,2) < 1300298637 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1300298639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're right :) < 1300298658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300298662 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300298668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh holy crap it's *still going*. < 1300298685 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is? < 1300298707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude < 1300298708 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk oerjan < 1300298765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1300298845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last two were already known by union, though < 1300298895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that the last four < 1300298923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not the third last, that's the new (2,3) < 1300299062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300299073 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-31.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300299093 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to implement scapegoat while elliott is pouting :P < 1300299125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: does adding a 4-cycle to a member still give a member? < 1300299207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is (1,0,1) _not_ a member < 1300299508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I made an antioptbot that reverted all of optbot's topic changes, then somebody made an antiantioptbot and oerjan banned it. elliott got all bitchy then modified optbot to change its nick randomly before changing the /topic, then oerjan banned both optbot and antioptbot (the latter being totally useless without optbot anyway). elliott left in a huff, taking Herobrine with him. < 1300299530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you not in exactly that order (most of my bans came after elliott left) < 1300299551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh they did? I faillol at log reading :P < 1300299560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, still time to implement scapegoat while elliott is pouting. < 1300299590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have since reverted all the bans except antioptbot, which after some reconsideration is the only one i should have banned in the first place, if any < 1300299820 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh piffle, it was just the implementation of a personal spat :P < 1300300015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's the one action that i think wouldn't have added to the drama < 1300300053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he says, naively) < 1300300258 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you know, making a rule "bots shall not change the topic" and ban them all. that seems the most fair. < 1300300300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300300348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the rule "bots shall not sabotage each other" is fairer ;( < 1300300371 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a winking frown? < 1300300391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing it outlaws definitely disruptive behavior. < 1300300395 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no reason bots shouldn't sabotage each other. < 1300300416 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the easiest way to deal with annoying bots without involving an op < 1300300445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, i had already been involved with optbot, thank you very much. < 1300300465 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we were now speaking hypothetically < 1300300507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the rule "you shall not make rules unnecessary, because there will always be some hypothetical reason to break them" is also nice... < 1300300515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ily < 1300300555 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essentially equivalent to "be as reasonable about exception-granting as you are about rules" < 1300300618 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, i think the rule of thumb for bots is "thou shalt not make an annoying bot" < 1300300651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i define annoying as "does stuff without being deliberately provoked by a user with the intent to make it do that stuff" < 1300300669 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welll < 1300300675 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"outputs stuff" i mean < 1300300874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm sliding back into drama just by having this conversation. < 1300300914 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300301025 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's a reasonable discussion to have < 1300301031 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every channel needs a bot policy < 1300301240 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-28-102.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300301525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not all under-the-bed monsters are made equal http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/pondus/ < 1300301880 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't speak that language < 1300301915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was mostly visual, so i linked it anyhow < 1300301922 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300301924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's norwegian of course) < 1300302015 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300302026 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what was happening < 1300302032 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a boy was talking to a monster < 1300302039 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that funny? < 1300302163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...helping it to apply nail polish? < 1300302197 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. < 1300302225 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-4-105.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300302231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed that < 1300302242 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it funny now that i know that? < 1300302247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1300302263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a bit funny < 1300303231 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300303255 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300304367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote that's the joy of JS, it's your bitch < 1300304443 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) that's the joy of JS, it's your bitch < 1300304481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300304487 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes < 1300304505 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :131) insufficient time dilation. try running faster. < 1300304568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i get it, it's funny because norwegian looks silly! < 1300305085 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually laughed at today's xkcd. something about that idea... < 1300305146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at it, I missed the idea to start with due to confusion between the player/character distinction < 1300305171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer game /characters/ can generally be safer abused due to, you know, not existing < 1300305172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: all kinds of weird stuff gets accepted to math journals < 1300305183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and luckily, harming the character doesn't harm the corresponding player, if there is one < 1300305377 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I am once again forced to solicit opinions on VPS providers: 10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 230.677 s, 45.5 kB/s < 1300305427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody have a good VPS? < 1300305499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Was that disk IO? < 1300305579 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And was it prgmr you used?) < 1300305798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300305895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one http://www.linode.com/ user who hasn't been complaining, but of course that's not saying much. < 1300305928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another one who runs a server in Rackspace's cloud and complains about network bandwidth. < 1300306043 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's disk I/O, yes. And Linode charges too much for RAM, and I'm RAM-hungry :( < 1300306044 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most of the other VPS' broadly disallow all IRC bots because they're lame. < 1300306086 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: my vps has been great < 1300306100 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean, they haven't bothered me except about paying them on time < 1300306100 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: And it is? < 1300306104 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intovps.com < 1300306144 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give you two ipv4 addresses and 60GB disk for $20, which is a pretty fair price. < 1300306146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I didn't even know people use OpenVZ in serious business. < 1300306161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pretty decent ... < 1300306170 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with OpenVZ? < 1300306182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what sort of bandwidth? < 1300306192 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1300306196 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the specs on the site < 1300306202 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used it up yet :P < 1300306218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IRC access is forbidden" < 1300306220 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God wtf < 1300306221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nothing that I know of, I just didn't know people were seriously using it. (And of course some might claim it's more of a fakertualization than virtualization, since you don't get to run your own kernal.) < 1300306230 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are they all so snippy about IRC. < 1300306266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people using IRC often invite DDOS attacks < 1300306283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on certain servers, DOSing or DDOSing people you don't like seems commonplace, for whatever reason < 1300306320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is just so durpy X_X < 1300306348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"war bots/X-DCC are not allowed"; isn't that a bit redundant if IRC access in general is, too? < 1300306423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think so. < 1300306423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot and HackEgo both run (slowly) on VPS. I can't switch to a VPS that doesn't allow IRC. < 1300306423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason why EgoBot and HackEgo are so slow is that my disk speed on prgmr is totally broken. < 1300306439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't notice, by why step on their feet :P < 1300306583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ISP sells VPS stuff too, but they're probably quite far in the expensive side of things. < 1300306680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in >2 times the Linode prices.) < 1300306792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try using that huge table at http://www.comparevps.com/ too. < 1300306824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not sure how up-to-date they are; at least quite many links are borken.) < 1300306870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300307170 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they say it's forbidden, but i'm connecting from them right now. they've never said anything about it. < 1300307201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's some particular reason this Amsterdam-based VPS shop ("Tilaa") has a name that's a Finnish word. (It's, among others, the third-person singular "to order", or the second-person imperative of it, or the partitive of the noun "space" (as in "yes, we have space for you", not "space, the final frontier").) < 1300307245 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i think they just put it in the rules so they can cancel users for whom it actually becomes a problem. it's like the rule against alcohol in nat'l parks. they don't enforce it unless you get rowdy. < 1300307572 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300307580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300307580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300307898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't notice, by why step on their feet :P < 1300308007 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: because it gets you a huge slice of computer for a very low price. is there any better reason? < 1300308052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I just really don't want to wake up one day and find that codu.org is down because they found out I had a connection to port 6667. < 1300308099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also you can be sure that someone from there would send anonymous tip-offs to them. < 1300308124 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I make a bot that undoes all their bot's actions :P < 1300308158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/there/here/, and yes. < 1300308292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I host Hackiki (also only slow because of abysmal disk performance), and some hosts may find that offensive :P < 1300308304 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@81.3.gr6.adsl.brightview.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300308446 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: this is why i try to make regular backups of my data and a backup vps in mind. i can switch vps's in a couple hours if that happens. < 1300308515 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I back up all my data, but don't have a backup VPS in mind, and even if I did it would take more than a couple hours to get it up ... < 1300308653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Try out yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1300308654 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300308669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He took the server down as well as Herobrine.) < 1300308673 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300308796 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this VPS' terms of service includes: "User may not: ... b) Run stand-alone, unattended server-side processes at any point in time on the server. This includes any and all daemons, such as IRCD." < 1300308804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, that also includes all daemons SUCH AS APACHE < 1300308850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which VPS? < 1300308853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like... not a server < 1300308863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donno, I already closed it, it was too stupid ;P < 1300308872 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rest of their page talked about using the VPS as a web server. < 1300308880 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pretty much they're made of fail. < 1300308932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what would be a client-side process in that context? < 1300308979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You just need to run all servers in a non-daemonizing mode, and keep a SSH connection open to watch them. (Maybe you could put the ssh in a screen on another VPS.) < 1300308993 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sshd is a server < 1300309028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe netcat into a bash. < 1300309155 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: netcat is a server < 1300309188 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has to be unattended in order to get it to run on the VPS (emphasis on 'S') in the first place. < 1300309264 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bestdealvps.com/tos <-- ahh, here it is < 1300309278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there's no sshd, how do you connect to it at all? < 1300309312 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably there is an sshd, but their server as preconfigured by them violates their own TOS. < 1300309434 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vpszone.com/tos.html <-- here's a TOS I can actually work with < 1300309620 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Offering UNLIMITED Space and or Bandwidth will result in instant termination of your account. We will not contact you before we delete your files." bahahaha < 1300309649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume that's targeted at would-be resellers. < 1300309657 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300309667 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just love the fact that people do that < 1300309683 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a limited vps and then resell it as unlimited < 1300309705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point? < 1300309712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that they can't possibly make good on their promise? < 1300309713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONEY < 1300309714 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like their TOS, but the $15 extra a month just kills it for me :P < 1300309749 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they scam as many people as they can. then, when they run out of resources, they close up shop and run, or something like that. < 1300309767 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I was going to go with the slightly-lesser $19/mo plan < 1300309780 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/was going to go with/would go with/ < 1300309789 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128MB less RAM :/ < 1300309791 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i <3 RAM < 1300309819 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a RAM hog too, but intovps just isn't on the list. < 1300309827 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Violating the TOS isn't something I'm willing to do, too risky. < 1300309876 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's probs more risky for you < 1300309898 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like the most i can lose is a few hours of installing software again on the next vps < 1300309908 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they ever even say anything about it < 1300309918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :768 = 1024 - 256. < 1300309926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens to Gregor if he violates them? < 1300309929 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse :P < 1300309936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they go at him with a cudgel? < 1300309941 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides in the corner
< 1300309984 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLEH < 1300309987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY PRGMR WHY < 1300310004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By all respects I should be WILDLY underutilizing this machine. < 1300310013 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead it crawls, and not because of CPU or memory, but because of the friggin' HARD DISK. < 1300310015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeesh. < 1300310026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what about using a tmpfs? < 1300310035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a VPS (emphasis on the V), maybe their fair IO scheduling isn't so fair. < 1300310037 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else on your box is a disk hog and their scheduler is faulty < 1300310046 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka what fizzie said < 1300310066 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what THEY said. < 1300310073 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THEY = prgmr) < 1300310080 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I need the RAM too much. < 1300310089 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And there are too many things that (briefly) need the HD. < 1300310135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe you can open a new prgmr account under an assumed name, hope it gets assigned to some better physical place, then move all data and close the old?-) < 1300310153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just let prgmr know that the HD access times are unexpectedly slow < 1300310162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see if they draw the same conclusion you do < 1300310168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have, they've tried to fix it rather than just doing as I ask and moving me to a different system. < 1300310238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please note; this means all plans come with $4/month worth of support." I guess you've used your $4 already. :p < 1300310255 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :P < 1300310294 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually in spite of what that says, that has more to do with "we won't help you if you're a Linux noob" than "we won't help you if there are problems with our hardware" < 1300310379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 3m26.984s user 0m3.320s sys 0m1.828s < 1300310380 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300310401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could just have had a /really small/ proportion of hte timeslices < 1300310402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1300310402 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes 3.5 min to copy 200MB < 1300310622 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300311323 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, turns out the technician in my school's science department is awesome. < 1300311472 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.17/20110121150729] < 1300311646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the BBC seems to think that WP is still GDFL. < 1300311665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dual-licensed, the GDFL is one of the licenses < 1300311675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but CC-by-sa is normally more convenient for reuse < 1300311675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1300311694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows CC-only imports, but they have to be marked < 1300311702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything's CC-by-ssa+GDFL by default < 1300311705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CC-by-sa < 1300311716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how you make things creative commons via single static assignment
< 1300311729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, Creative Commons is who you'd assign it to, but how do you get the static in? < 1300311952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers that Googling the manufacture of TNT is possibly not the least incriminating of actions
< 1300312220 0 :bitmsk!5cec1f78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.236.31.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300312332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out it's perfectly plausible that my uncle made it in his chemistry lesson, though. < 1300312567 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my flatmate's uncle once did some thing in chemistry where he dissolved a fish < 1300312577 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he went to sleep he started thinking about that < 1300312583 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and realized oh shit it will go pretty explosive soon < 1300312587 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he had left it at uni overnight9 < 1300312593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can only end well. < 1300312614 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he had to hurry back and try to concoct a way to cancel out the explosiveness < 1300312633 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, apparently, if you dissolve some kinds of fish in the right acids, you get pretty strong explosives < 1300312659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds plausible. < 1300312675 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was trinitrotoluene though < 1300312704 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was more similar to nitroglycerin though < 1300312725 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as he was very careful in handling it, pretty much sweating all the time... something like "one false move and this goes all the way to hell" < 1300312846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I started on this was that some of the chemistry students in the year above me at school were trying to make gunpowder. < 1300312906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they needed stuff from the technician, and he cottoned on after they asked for sulphur and potassium nitrate in short succession. < 1300312936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he told them how to make nitrogen triïodide instead, which is much more fun. < 1300312962 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explodes when touched? < 1300312967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep/ < 1300312969 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun. < 1300313006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tested it by leaving some bits of paper soaked in it in the corridors just before lunch break started. < 1300313034 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha particles trigger it? < 1300313037 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, that's sensitive. < 1300313059 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's weak enough not to be dangerous in such amounts? < 1300313067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *single* alpha particles, surely? < 1300313077 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I think it just makes a bang. < 1300313110 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only when the alpha particles are dating do they set it off. < 1300313126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Gregor.
< 1300313278 0 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db40a44.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300313553 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300313739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300313759 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300313784 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-171-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300313922 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Alex_Megaroide < 1300314550 0 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300314562 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back, guys! < 1300314606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And naturally we all remember who you are, because you're a legend :P < 1300314678 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1300314689 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alegend on esolangs. < 1300314831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300314837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300314856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alegend45, I SUSPECT THAT YOU HAVE MADE MULTIPLE BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVES < 1300314867 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300314876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1300314878 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple are 2D. < 1300314889 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh stop. < 1300314900 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make mixes. < 1300314905 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made. < 1300314907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAAAAAAAAAAAH < 1300314912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE MY USER PAGE ON THE WIKI < 1300315012 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it. < 1300315069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Phantom_Hoover < 1300315194 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, it's taking so long to load! < 1300315206 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD. < 1300315222 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRICK < 1300315224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEAD < 1300315274 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.15/20110303171539] < 1300315486 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1300315498 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy to get rid of noobs < 1300315567 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why don't you fuck their brains with a brick instead? < 1300315576 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you snap < 1300315582 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that punishment sounds kind of called for? < 1300315589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transplants are more civilised. < 1300315597 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise they are effectively the same. < 1300315600 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would truly be a punishment fit for the crime < 1300315614 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly does Kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen mean? < 1300315643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a program in FinnLang. < 1300315664 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twentyfourhourtimeunitthismomenty < 1300315675 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very well formed < 1300315896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tämänhetkinen kahdenkymmenenneljän tunnin aikakausi" would be more-or-less proper Finnish for "the current twenty-four hour period". < 1300316277 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131198.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300316817 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300316851 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1300317050 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what's actual Finnish for "today"? < 1300317122 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tänään < 1300317133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY DOTS < 1300317143 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just write them as lines < 1300317155 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't recall what that diacritic usually is called < 1300317161 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves muscle usage in the hand < 1300317170 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i will have much muscle usage left when I die < 1300317173 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more so than the average finn < 1300317179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diaresis, in English. < 1300317186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's very rarely used. < 1300317193 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean the --shaped one < 1300317195 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the ..-shaped one < 1300317217 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macron < 1300317226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1300317242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300317352 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300318537 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300319214 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300320084 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-179-12.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300320087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300320095 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300320817 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1300320824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300321344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300321361 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300321841 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300321870 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300322291 0 :nathy!~Nathalie@212.203.98.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300323393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300323393 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300323411 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-238-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300323785 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224201079.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300323960 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300324436 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1300325945 0 :nathy!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300326108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1300326112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/03/michigan-declares-financial-martial-law/35861/ < 1300326145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michigan is now under fascist rule. < 1300326277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, literally, fascism. < 1300326335 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq didn't notice what with the partial nuclear meltdown ;P < 1300326446 0 :Alex_Megaroide!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1300326537 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300326567 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300326726 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1300326765 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300326793 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300327000 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300328144 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300328190 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300328654 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300328688 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1300328688 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1300328691 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quote < 1300328745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1300328766 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no shit sherlock < 1300328771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wrong bot durp :P < 1300328789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Wut? < 1300328796 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about fascism in michigan < 1300328832 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300328860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1300328860 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123) * Warrigal refuses to say goodbye to Quas NaArt, as he is coming closer, not going farther. < 1300328967 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moved my bots off Codu for now. < 1300329145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo blehboop < 1300329146 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blehboop < 1300329881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Textadupadup < 1300329883 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :114 ++++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>.+++++++++++++++++.>.----.<----.+++.>+.>++++.<<---.+++.>.>.>--. [397] < 1300329889 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW that's fast :P < 1300329972 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timing buffered disk reads: 4 MB in 4.34 seconds = 942.73 kB/sec laaaaaaaaaaawl < 1300330323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, they're moving me to a different server. < 1300330949 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1300330956 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prgmr is? < 1300330972 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1300331041 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your bf_txtgen implementation tune the number of values that it plays with and their initial values until it hits a local minimum? < 1300331086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not mine, and it's a genetic algorithm, and that's all I know about it :P < 1300331101 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody assumes it's mine just because my bot contains it, even though it also contains dozens of interpreters I didn't write :P < 1300331149 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i just meant "your" in the sense of "the one you use"...and i assumed you knew something more about it than that because it's the one you use >.> < 1300331162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know ... how to call it :P < 1300331171 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know whether it runs a per-string GA, or the whole program was GA-generated? < 1300331195 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per-string GA. < 1300331211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is human-written Java. < 1300331239 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300331435 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what the numbers it outputs mean? < 1300331442 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the first one is the length < 1300331588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is length, the other is the generation. < 1300331595 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose the shortest one within the first 1000 generations or something. < 1300331946 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the "cool factor" here more important than getting the shortest string possible? < 1300333946 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, no? < 1300333963 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortest string possible isn't very easy to calculate ... < 1300333977 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean actual optimal < 1300333994 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant if there were an algorithm that yielded better results than the current one, would you switch to it < 1300334003 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1300334015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'd prefer that somebody just give me an hg bundle so I don't have to do any switching myself :P < 1300334019 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has been tried? < 1300334033 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much nothing :P < 1300334035 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has done quite well. < 1300334056 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i held a coding competition for this problem a few years ago, right? < 1300334081 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if a "try a bunch of tuned heuristics and pick the best one" couldn't outdo the GA < 1300334193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could make a much better GA. :P < 1300334889 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how the GA works pikhq? < 1300334964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just tweaking a single setting loop and a string of +-<>. to output the string. < 1300334972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty dang naïve. < 1300336167 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: at some point in report.c do you store the values of "number of times p beat q" (bfjoust)? < 1300336179 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, where can i extract them from? < 1300336200 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's there. < 1300336209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's what's in the global var "scores" < 1300336439 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300336656 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a 2D array of signed chars? so scores[p][q] is the value i'm looking for? < 1300336726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a 2D array in the C sense; double-indirection is for pussies. < 1300336771 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scores[p*programCount+q] then < 1300336775 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one problem < 1300336793 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1300336797 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks harder
< 1300336872 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it only saves the score of p vs. q in there if q>p < 1300336883 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i misreading? < 1300337112 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to go check :P
< 1300337157 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it always stores it there. < 1300337203 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowait < 1300337211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, I misread your misreading X-P < 1300337224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it only stores it for the lower program. < 1300337230 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the score for the other is just the inverse of that. < 1300337259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The winner() function will (contrary to its name) always give you the proper score. < 1300337370 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHVrE1NTgxI < 1300337481 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh] < 1300337503 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the score exactly? < 1300337508 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remind me) < 1300337520 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall it is pwins-qwins < 1300337544 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300337545 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300337549 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300337552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rwins-lwins < 1300337557 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300337564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if left wins it's negative, if right wins it's positive. < 1300337566 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like strcmp < 1300337566 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll need to modify winner then < 1300337578 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make a new thing like it < 1300337588 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i need the actual values pwins and qwins < 1300337606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohohohoh < 1300337613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I didn't know you needed exactly that. < 1300337629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that that's not reported isn't even report.c's fault, the interpreter doesn't report it. < 1300337642 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300337645 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1300337657 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have to hack that too < 1300337668 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gearlance.c right? < 1300337792 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300338023 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found the relevant score summarization data < 1300338637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey. < 1300338659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franklin's daylight savings time proposal was almost certainly meant as a joke. < 1300338672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Franklin's essay also "suggested" ringing church bells and firing cannons at dawn to ensure that nobody would be excluded from his benevolent gesture.' < 1300338692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I don't have to blame *him* for it. < 1300338699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just everyone who failed at reading comprehension. < 1300338959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your readers, who with me have never seen any sign of sunshine before noon, and seldom regard the astronomical part of the almanac, will be as much astonished as I was, when they hear of his rising so early; and especially when I assure them, that he gives light as soon as he rises. I am convinced of this." < 1300339009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still adores these guys: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/
< 1300339026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm especially fond of the randomly-generated *speeches* they gave. < 1300339688 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300340220 0 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300341277 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300341450 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300341451 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300341457 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300341485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so easy to get rid of noobs < 1300341494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY, STOP THAT. < 1300341500 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twasn't me! < 1300341503 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points at PH
< 1300341520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats phantom_hoover in absentia -----###
< 1300341561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:37 --- join: elliott (~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott) joined #esoteric < 1300341561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:44 --- quit: elliott (Remote host closed the connection) < 1300341563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1300341571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300341706 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you miss him? :P < 1300341716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1300341737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have a bad conscience about this. < 1300341738 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry a bit then < 1300341810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not _that_ bad. < 1300341860 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1300342006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:11:32 So, I don't have to blame *him* for it. < 1300342006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:11:39 Just everyone who failed at reading comprehension. < 1300342074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be glad they didn't all misinterpret swift in the same way :D < 1300342117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm an atheist now. Aren't we supposed to eat babies? :P < 1300342131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO I'VE HEARD < 1300342141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omnomnom. < 1300342151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do put the baby on the plate! < 1300342255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1300342265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1300342278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure the puzzle out yet? < 1300342290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked you a couple more questions in the logs < 1300342300 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont log read. ask them again < 1300342326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one was if you can always add another 4-cycle < 1300342342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another was if 1 2-cycle + 1 6-cycle is a member < 1300342342 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean just take an arbitrary graph and tack on a 4-cycle? < 1300342351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an arbitrary member < 1300342354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1300342361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterexample? < 1300342372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that to the other. < 1300342377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its to both, actually < 1300342425 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the adding a 4-cycle thing might actually be true < 1300342427 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme think about this < 1300342444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i more or less assumed you'd have included it. is the new example list also still with all subgraph examples included? < 1300342450 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not true. < 1300342456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1300342510 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, all the puzzles are complete. no subgraphs are ever missing the way im doing this < 1300342521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1300342538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does that mean you have to check subgraphs to check a graph < 1300342565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300342601 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe the adding-a-4-cycle is true. its hard to know :p < 1300342629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see anything contradicting it in the examples, at least < 1300342824 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any ideas about whats underlying this? < 1300342832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1300342855 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres some stuff that seems plausible to ask that you're not asking < 1300342875 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you see the second puzzle showing a natural subset of the first puzzle? < 1300342878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undoubtedly < 1300342895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking at it but there are no bells ringing yet < 1300342913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bells dont have to be clearly related < 1300342964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the second list include everything from the first that is also in the natural subset? < 1300342974 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1300342997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't leave out anything from the first puzzle list that should be in the second list? < 1300343002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300343037 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to try to keep that sort of thing synchronized, so if i reveal more in one puzzle, and another puzzle is a natural subset, i'll reveal more there too < 1300343074 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, if i reveal more about the subset, i'll reveal some more of the superset (in a natural way) that keeps them synched < 1300343139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the second puzzle also have the disjoint union property? < 1300343167 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really what i could do is just mark the first puzzle's subset members with some sort of adornment < 1300343183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300343199 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it wont be as easy to see < 1300343213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you replace a 6-cycle by a 2-cycle, is that still a member? < 1300343213 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no, regarding the second puzzle < 1300343220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first puzzle) < 1300343232 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. im not sure. < 1300343260 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking too much about the details. you need to step back a bit. < 1300343270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the membership related to whether the graph can be embedded in some larger structure? < 1300343316 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its possible, but i have no idea. < 1300343351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it related to linguistics? < 1300343354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1300343389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to anything other than math? < 1300343397 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you eman by math. < 1300343426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something non-abstract? < 1300343435 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i suppose. < 1300343466 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i may ask a leading question < 1300343469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about flow? < 1300343477 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rephrase < 1300343491 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300343496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300343501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there are no sinks or sources, but is it related to something flowing between the vertices? < 1300343510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than just the edges) < 1300343520 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhhh sort of. < 1300343552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lead away < 1300343591 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let me just state < 1300343603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you pointed out initially they were digraphs. is that an intrinsic part of the property or just a corollary? < 1300343630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of the construction, perhaps < 1300343639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lets say that being digraphs is what you'd expect given how they're generated < 1300343666 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that they're not generated from some formula about graphs, as such. < 1300343716 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of what graphs are < 1300343720 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond merely graphs < 1300343739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are diagrams, also relations < 1300343764 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sorts of diagrams, what sorts of relations < 1300343805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_any_ relation is a graph, really. diagrams with dots and arrows. < 1300343818 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes graphs are diagrams with dots and arrows < 1300343825 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you dont just have diagrams floating around in space < 1300343831 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :devoid of, shall we say, meaning < 1300343842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE ARE SOME ON RUSSELL'S TEAPOT < 1300343869 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how little i know about the mathematical properties it should be clear that im not cranking a graph theory machine, here < 1300343892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the vertices correspond to two sets of natural objects? < 1300343899 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1300343962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're digraphs so the vertices can be divided into two sets with all edges between the sets. but is this division based on some natural distinction between vertices in the construction? < 1300344000 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean can the vertices be partitioned into two sets which each constitute some natural class? < 1300344005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the vertices represent people somehow? < 1300344009 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300344017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1300344073 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me reiterate that this puzzle is unusually appropriate for this channel < 1300344085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...do they represent esolangs? < 1300344090 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300344109 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose that depends on what you mean by esolang! < 1300344111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flow control? < 1300344121 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days almost anything can be an esolang! < 1300344136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1300344137 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flow control, not as such < 1300344156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar? < 1300344190 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again i suppose that depends on what you mean by grammar, given the broadness of this concept < 1300344195 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in the right area < 1300344206 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now look at the damn graphs < 1300344216 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont pay attention to the members of the graphs < 1300344219 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at what they _are_ < 1300344223 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digraphs < 1300344230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrows from nodes to nodes < 1300344330 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is some non-graph-theoretic rational behind having graphs at all < 1300344334 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could that rational be < 1300344358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a relation between the vertices. < 1300344364 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit sherlock < 1300344377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that just is what a graph is < 1300344390 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not some sort of prior rational for having graphs at all < 1300344425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry but the construction workers have started _and_ the neighbors' dog is barking. my brain shall now be unusable for the next 8 hours. < 1300344559 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does mean after a process? < 1300344572 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, what likely happened to the process < 1300344600 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to drive home. while im doing so, contemplate what would naturally lend itself to yielding directed graphs as a way of visualization < 1300344603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300344638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...augur didn't get that part about unusable brain, i take. < 1300345425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're supposed to eventually start drilling as well. i don't know what i will do then but you will probably hear about it on the news. < 1300345856 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300346069 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300346549 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gifts oerjan some noise-cancelling headphones
< 1300346886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention the vibrations in the ground? probably not, as they hadn't started yet. < 1300346899 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: earth quake? < 1300346909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1300346919 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loud bassline? < 1300346928 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thumpa thumpa thumpa < 1300346935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chainsaw, possibly. < 1300346943 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays you music
< 1300347316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i shall have some respite from horror as i have a dentist appointment today. < 1300347337 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.x < 1300347343 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, any ideas? < 1300347360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think i'm _joking_ about my brain being unusable? < 1300347362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1300347365 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ok < 1300348799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1300348800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1300350347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300350376 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300350475 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300351514 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300352152 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the only thing that can help you now is LOUD MUSIC < 1300352198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm doomed, then. < 1300352228 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps oerjan around a bit with a DOOMSDAY DEVICE
< 1300352447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300354175 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Emacs just started to bleed. That can't be a good sign. < 1300354211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other windows are just fine, but any Emacs windows I open get their backgruond replaced by this flickery red mess. < 1300354218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't show up in screenshots. < 1300354759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i see no reason bots shouldn't sabotage each other. <-- ooh Bot Wars. I wonder if we could sell the concept to some TV station!? < 1300354787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what, seriously? < 1300354803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what did you change that might have caused it? < 1300354809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1300354817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no system upgrades? < 1300354817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I didn't even start a new Emacs. < 1300354820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300354823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1300354834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it happen if you start a new instance? < 1300354837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300354844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is even weirder < 1300354847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did xlock the screen when I went to lunch; when I came back, it was like this. < 1300354858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe some emacs virus? < 1300354870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if it is only emacs, hardware issues sound unlikely < 1300354879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it doesn't show up in a "xwd" dump at all, I'm inclined to believe some sort of closer-to-display-drivers thing. < 1300354889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what Emacs might be doing differently to trigger it, though. < 1300354892 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300354917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1300354931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you said it flickered to red? Do you mean flicker from normal to red? In that case maybe the dump got it just between the flickers? < 1300354934 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I xwd the Emacs window, then xwud-view the image, the resulting window flickers too. < 1300354954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha... < 1300354964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what if you xwud other windows? < 1300354980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it even flickers if I convert the .xwd to a .png and then open it in eog, but only the pixels of the background color. < 1300354987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have some strange bg colour there normally? < 1300354989 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice this before because it only flickers in one screen. < 1300354995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it bugged out on that specific colour < 1300355003 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that seems likely. < 1300355030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That specific color on this specific screen. < 1300355065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about dimensions of the emacs window? < 1300355073 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter. < 1300355084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimp's color-picker "Current" block flickers too if I set it to the background color. < 1300355085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power cycling that monitor might help < 1300355104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, that fixed it. :/ < 1300355108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300355116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, didn't want it fixed? < 1300355122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was sort of interesting. :p < 1300355130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1300355139 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What color it was that flickered? < 1300355175 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: #1e1e27. < 1300355181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, out of interest, is that Finish word order? ("it was" in a question) < 1300355287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think both word orders ("-- mikä väri oli se joka --" and "-- mikä väri se oli joka --") are understandable Finnish, though maybe "what color was it that" would be more canonical. < 1300355328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other pixels in the Gimp color-browser gradient did flicker a bit too, so it might not have been limited to exactly that one value. < 1300355406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that my screen no longer bleeds, I guess I should try to figure out some way around this "probabilities are no longer finite" error message this GMM tool is giving me. < 1300355844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is GMM? < 1300355862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also that error reminds me of a certain book < 1300355866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you know which one < 1300356247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaussian mixture model. You know, https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=tx&chl=p%28\mathbf{x}%29=\sum_{k=1}^K%20\pi_k%20\mathcal{N}%28\mathbf{x};\,\,\mathbf{\mu_k},\mathbf{\Sigma_k}%29 sort of stuff. < 1300356272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Couldn't resist a chance to use that chart thing.) < 1300356317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, since when does google render tex? < 1300356323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since ages ago. < 1300356326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300356376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I have no idea what a Gaussian mixture model is. What is the fancy-looking N in that equation? < 1300356378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least from 2010-11 onwards. < 1300356384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the normal distribution. < 1300356388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300356401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it does make a vague sort of sense now < 1300356403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of a messy notation; the pdf of it. < 1300356457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a weighted sum of normal distributions. I left out the part that https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=tx&chl=\sum_{k=1}^K\pi_k=1 of course. < 1300356484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the sum is 1? < 1300356493 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I again couldn't help myself. < 1300356504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1300356541 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1300356563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still don't know why the toolbox doesn't want to generate a model for this data. < 1300356588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably because of probabilities are no longer being finite! < 1300356651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, now if we could only get infinite improbabilities... < 1300356745 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one sort-of known issue with EM training a mixture model like this, which is that it can happen that one component of the mixture converges to cover a single data point with 0 variance. I would think the code would take that into account, though. < 1300356786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it mathlab? < 1300356819 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a third-party pile-of-code for MATLAB, from http://www2.it.lut.fi/project/gmmbayes/downloads/src/gmmbayestb/ < 1300356821 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC this month (16 days): 18 458 112 addresses allocated (1.100 blocks). On IPv6 front: 1 114 118 /48s. I think records on IPv4 allocations are going to get slammed again. < 1300356843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I assume the events in Japan had an effect on the allocation rate? < 1300356898 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. Japan has highly spiky allocation profile, making changes difficult to detect. < 1300356909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, heh, anyone know why that is the case? < 1300356919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did get that /9 not long ago, shouldn't that last them for at least a few moments? < 1300356948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a /9 is very large for a single country to get < 1300356979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single company, even, though I guess they're bit of a monopoly there. < 1300356985 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was for NTT Japan. < 1300356990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTT? < 1300356998 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it NNT? < 1300357001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NNT? < 1300357014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation, apparently. < 1300357016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300357016 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTT Japan apparently. < 1300357020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a single company getting a /9 these days seems absurd! < 1300357033 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC has allocated /8 at once twice. < 1300357071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen during mkinitcpio: ERROR: Root file system type detection failed. < 1300357081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too worried, since I don't use the distro kernel for booting < 1300357094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My coauthor for this stuff is in Japan, only realized yesterday evening I hadn't though about asking her how it's going. Though I guess Nagoya is reasonably far from the disaster area. < 1300357128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use the distro kernel because the nvidia X drivers package depends on the nvidia kernel driver package which depends on the kernel package. < 1300357189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"log-likelihood diff 179769313486231570814527423731704356798070567525844996598917476803157260780028538760589558632766878171540458953514382464234321326889464182768467546703537516986049910576551282076245490090389328944075868508455133942304583236903222948165808559332123348274797826204144723168738177180919299881250404026184124858368 on round 1" < 1300357197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert, but that sounds like a rather large number. < 1300357214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300357219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still finite though < 1300357223 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparsion: January (31 days): 23 735 040 (1.415) and February (28 days): 22 589 440 (1.346). < 1300357272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>1 blocks a month is already quite a burn rate. < 1300357304 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extrapolation to 31 days gives 35 762 592 (2.132). < 1300357332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so when will it run out? < 1300357352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw what is it that you are doing this GMM stuff over < 1300357397 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current best estimates are in mid-April. Formal models tend to guess late (underestimating the growth of allocation rates). < 1300357434 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're going to go to that "last /8" mode first, though, and isn't that policy going to last for a while? < 1300357437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, yeah wasn't it supposed to be in September just a while ago? < 1300357525 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to be October-November some time ago. Then September. Then May-July. Now it seems even May is too optimistic. < 1300357607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The GMM is for converting some heuristic (read: don't have much of a theory behind them) numbers in one domain to something that would correlate with observation uncertainties in another domain, to summarize it in one sentence. < 1300357675 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty vague eh < 1300357686 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, it wasn't very many months ago when the estimated IANA depletion was in June. Then came the surprise allocations to AFRINIC, ARIN and RIPENCC. < 1300357687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess you don't want to reveal too much before publishing < 1300357890 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceeding 2 blocks in calendar month would be pretty wild (2 blocks in 30 day window has IIRC already been exceeded). < 1300357907 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This part of it is (up to some degree, anyway) already published stuff, actually, from INTERSPEECH 2010. Unfortunately their proceedings are behind a "ISCA Members Area (membership starts from 15 Euros)" HTTP authentication request. :p < 1300357954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no clue if the proxy at my university allows accessing that one < 1300357959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1300357996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours doesn't, which is somewhat surprising; it tends to have a good coverage otherwise. < 1300358027 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, picking the last available 30-day window: 2.089 blocks. < 1300358051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually the first author seems to have a copy on his page, but I doubt you're *that* interested.) < 1300358054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't find any matching *ISCA* < 1300358070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed I'm not. < 1300358079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about a layman description of it? ;P < 1300358276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, um; we take our source-domain heuristic numbers for training data, concatenate them with the "correct" answers (since it's training data we constructed, we have those too), build a GMM model for the distribution of the concatenated vectors, then for test-data use the model to give MAP predictions for the latter half (target domain values) given the first half (source domain values). < 1300358291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's what I'd do if this silly thing would construct a model for me. < 1300358299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead it's just all < 1300358301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :log-likelihood diff NaN on round 20 < 1300358301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix cycle 20, fix loops 1 1 1 1 1 < 1300358301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? Error using ==> gmmb_em at 161 < 1300358301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probabilities are no longer finite. < 1300358303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300358336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what sort of domain is that? Something corresponding to some physical application? < 1300358381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source domain is a (warped) spectral one again; target is the cepstrum thing our recognizer likes to eat. < 1300358465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh sound? < 1300358513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speech stuff; it's what I do, after all. < 1300358527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah and irc log statistics :P < 1300358541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a hobby. :p < 1300358544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1300359218 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, APNIC has 5-day FIFO policy, so the request for that 4M block that was recently allocated to Japan was made before the 9.0 earthquake and following tsunami. < 1300360338 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300360396 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300360896 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300360929 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300366022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300366754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300366777 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300367741 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300367838 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300368629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300368906 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300368924 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300369054 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300369266 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137105.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300369308 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300369405 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300369645 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300369657 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300369925 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1300370345 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300371111 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1300371428 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300371799 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ==(>^w^)> ==(> >.<)> < 1300372257 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300372317 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300372375 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300372805 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300373345 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300373404 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300374161 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300374320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent an email to the zlib guys asking if they have any use for libz.so :P < 1300374361 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does libz.so do? < 1300374365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to make BUCKETS OF MONEY with your domain dealies? < 1300374371 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the domain name < 1300374375 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who got libc.so in the end? < 1300374386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It hasn't ended yet. < 1300374392 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't started yet :P < 1300374448 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm probably going to LOSE buckets of money on libc.so :P < 1300374453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But GAIN buckets of geek cred if I win it. < 1300374465 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right. BUCKETS OF CRED. < 1300374511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a name like that, you can probably name the price. I mean, facebook bought fb.com for $8.5 million. < 1300374556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely every group developing a libc will be fighting over it. < 1300374597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but if I DO get it, seeing as that it's a closed auction, then that means they WEREN'T fighting over it :P < 1300374605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besides that, the groups developing libcs have no money. < 1300374617 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1300374619 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're either profitless Unix ventures or F/OSS. < 1300374681 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300374692 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you get it, whatcha doing with it? < 1300374730 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300374734 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what country has so as their TLD? < 1300374739 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vanity domain names and I'll see if somebody who's already got a decent man pages site wants to collaborate. Somalia. < 1300374748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1300374748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vanity email addresses < 1300374752 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300374762 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I don't want to think too far ahead because my chances of getting it are low :P < 1300375151 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300375410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300375484 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300375556 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300375721 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300375739 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300375941 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300376053 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300377219 0 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1300377337 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300377337 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300377337 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300377410 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300378471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300378530 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300378666 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300378947 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300379130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Still* no elliott? < 1300379157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when elliott decides to do something, he sticks to it < 1300379188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's online, by the looks of things. < 1300379202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he shall return in three years, speaking perfect japanese < 1300379215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well find him < 1300379223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna know where he is < 1300379224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rather trickier. < 1300379242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300379251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an elliottt in #haskell. < 1300379265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's someone entirely different. < 1300379271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's the same right < 1300379290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1300379305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could look through all the Tunes logs and see if he's joined any of those channels. < 1300379322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, do that! < 1300379343 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG, will continue upon return. < 1300379415 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.21: 1k to Bangladesh, 1k+/32 to Malaysia, 2x512k+2x128k+64k+32k to China, 32k to Pakistan, 2M(!!!) to India, 2k to Japan, /32 to New Zealand. < 1300379447 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largest available block is now 1M (which there are 5 of). < 1300379512 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300379587 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total 256k block count is now 77. < 1300379705 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 1.20 blocks of space. < 1300379860 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That count dropped 12 today. < 1300379988 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300380018 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.024 from small blocks space. < 1300380712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody accused me of wearing a radioactive tie in recognition of Japan's nuclear problems :P < 1300380778 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :During last 31 days, 125 of 256k blocks have been allocated. Those blocks are expected to run out sooner than APNIC (and then allocations really start to fragment the address space). < 1300381425 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300381492 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, i've just traced the history of APNIC depletion since January. awesome. < 1300381502 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than /8 in a week? :/ < 1300381828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Somebody accused me of wearing a radioactive tie in recognition of Japan's nuclear problems :P < 1300381847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant business idea or brilliant business idea? < 1300381855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1300382056 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382057 0 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382063 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1300382064 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1300382064 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /< < 1300382074 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lifthrasiir < 1300382118 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, it is better changing a spare nickname... < 1300382131 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthras1ir and lifthrasiir are way hard to distinguish. < 1300382199 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300382204 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382407 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever pinged me, if anyone: pong. < 1300382468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, we were just talking about the new contact sport of tswetting. < 1300382474 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1300382481 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a fan of that sport. < 1300382488 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382577 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a very "contact" sport. < 1300382580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where by "contact" ... < 1300382585 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "banned in 47 states" < 1300382629 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Must involve some breaches of esoteric contract law. < 1300382794 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224200115.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300382898 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300383087 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I use spreadsheets I realize how terrible they are and want to implement my own, then I go "OH GOD NO NOT THAT" < 1300383433 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement concealsheets instead. it's what all corporations /really/ want. you'll make a fortune. < 1300383869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300383893 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300384256 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a name for the class of languages in which it is possible to specify any bijection between sets (and only such functions)? < 1300384267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just checked today's clog logs; he's not on any of them. < 1300384285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not sure < 1300384289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm probably the wrong person to ask < 1300384342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm i think i came up with exactly that once when i tried to think of a semantic foundation for reversible languages < 1300384377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's my answer < 1300384378 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm going to call it "Permutation-complete" if not < 1300384411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for finite sets, it's the same, for infinite you need to consider computability and stuff < 1300384432 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the oh < 1300384437 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to say finite < 1300384441 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking finite < 1300384448 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that disappeared from my message somehow < 1300384449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. < 1300384479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you add phase shifts you essentially have quantum computation < 1300384515 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the phase in QC was just to make it a vector space... < 1300384521 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should read that book again < 1300384533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phase is to allow you to get more than just permutations < 1300384556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well from a qc perspective < 1300384570 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a copy here of "quantum computation and quantum information" by Nielsen and Chuang < 1300384605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never read an actual book about it, but i know the basic hilbert space formalism, and what a qubit is < 1300384685 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1300384730 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Hadamard, phase, CNOT, and pi/8 gates form a family of gates from which any unitary operation can be approximated, and thus is a universal set of gates" < 1300384750 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the phase gate < 1300384760 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300384884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300384981 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh aha, it's [1,0;0,i] < 1300385021 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049215.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300385089 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like flip across the Re(x)=Im(x) line, i guess < 1300385958 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300386225 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300386814 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300386832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300387021 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello eso < 1300387024 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you < 1300387055 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are my bots down >_< < 1300387118 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300387121 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300387144 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo I would be better if my bots weren't down :P < 1300387146 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be better if my bots weren't down :P < 1300387232 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since both bots use multibot, there is literally no reason for them to be separated. Combining them would be as simple as cp -R. AND YET I DON'T. < 1300387525 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it's because you want to retain control of the non-hackable things < 1300387528 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control freak < 1300387538 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multibot? < 1300387545 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In no way would it compromise control of the non-HackBot things. < 1300387571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: multibot is my simple IRC bot that calls out to shell (or any other kind of) commands when presented with queries. < 1300387580 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh you would have two separate folders running on the same instance of multibot? < 1300387594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So EgoBot uses it too? < 1300387604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Would you call the combination HackEgoBot, then? < 1300387609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The commands for ! and for ` would simply not refer to the same directory. < 1300387613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1300387615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I spose :P < 1300387649 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well that's the reason not to combine them then. having two command prefixes for the same bot instance is annoying. < 1300387655 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eyes lambdabot fumingly
< 1300387686 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hello < 1300387686 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1300387702 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ... that logic is silly, the two prefixes are already in use, they would just be responded to by the same nick :P < 1300387718 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!uname < 1300387720 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my logic is impeccable < 1300387725 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname < 1300387726 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux < 1300387727 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1300387737 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1300387737 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1300387740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ! only response to a specific set of commands, ` is just system() < 1300387748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, it's actually even simpler than system(), but anywho) < 1300387764 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, okay, i thought egobot now uses multibot... < 1300387776 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well it doesn't) < 1300387777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: multibot is not what enables HackEgo to do the things it does. < 1300387783 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1300387818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: multibot is just a framework for connecting IRC commands to shell commands. The fact that HackEgo goes beyond that and runs requested commands in a protected environment is what's implemented within the commands that multibot calls, not multibot itself. < 1300387823 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what you're saying is "this bot will actually be two bots running under the same nick. there is not one set of features, but two distinct sets of features." at which point i would say "then why not combine the features into the same list if its the same bot?" < 1300387845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh uname -a < 1300387845 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux gdeskgor 2.6.37-0.slh.2-aptosid-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 9 20:40:11 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1300387846 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, i think moving all egobot's stuff to hackbot would be pretty sane.) < 1300387851 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so multibot itself does not contain any sandboxing capability nor executing arbitrary commands without authorization? < 1300387852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gdeskgor"? < 1300387861 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's my desktop. < 1300387871 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an interesting name. < 1300387878 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a "glapgor" too and so on? < 1300387880 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Right. All multibot can do is e.g. when encountering a TOPIC command from IRC, run multibot_cmds/TOPIC.cmd with the proper arguments. < 1300387883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gpadgor". < 1300387899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: glapgor, gwirgor, grandroidgor < 1300387907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Had a gwatchgor for a while. < 1300387925 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo -ne 4; echo -ne 2 < 1300387925 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ne 4; echo -ne 2 < 1300387936 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shell expansion? < 1300387945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -ne 4; echo -ne 2 < 1300387945 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1300387961 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do expansion without `run simply so that things like `addquote work as expected. < 1300387974 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, yeah, maybe I'll just merge everything EgoBot does into HackEgo's actual filesystem. < 1300387993 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then EgoBot will be utterly redundant. < 1300388097 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181053160.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300388099 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i support this plan < 1300388133 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300388139 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't very doable before, but now that (hopefully) my FS access speed will be in the "non-shit" range, it should be doable ... < 1300388152 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-shit is a good place to be < 1300388168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 1MB/s read and 100KB/s write 8-D < 1300388187 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right: My HD speed was slower than my network speed. Pretty awesome, prgmr! Pretty awesome! < 1300388188 0 :bitmsk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300388195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So what did you end up doing; switched providers or got them to fix stuff? < 1300388213 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They claim they're going to move me to a different server. < 1300388253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Stupid TOSes keep me stuck to very few VPS providers. < 1300388276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm still glad I found http://www.bestdealvps.com/tos , which is the greatest work of comedy writing I've seen in a while. < 1300388312 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was another great TOS that said all you were allowed to do was run a web server and POP/IMAP/SMTP server, which makes me wonder why you would get a VPS at all :P < 1300388316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I tried to do a survey-murvey too, and quite many did indeed have that stupid IRC thing. (And a few I couldn't find anything approaching terms of service for, at least without clicking a "send order" button. < 1300388423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :User may not: b) Run stand-alone, unattended server-side processes at any point in time on the server. This includes any and all daemons, such as IRCD. // honestly, did no one with any technical knowledge read this at all? < 1300388438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do not that that part is for "Resource Usage for shared hosting accounts". < 1300388442 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm, i've just made a mutually recursive quine for egobot and hackego. how about it? :p < 1300388443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/note/ < 1300388474 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: do you think it will work? < 1300388484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I believe one of them is configured to ignore the other, but I can't remember which >_> < 1300388491 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can find out < 1300388496 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `run X='!echo `run X=xxXXxx;X=${X//x""x/"xx"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"xx"/x""x}}';X=${X//x""x/"'"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"'"/x""x}} < 1300388496 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run X='!echo `run X=xxXXxx;X=${X//x""x/"xx"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"xx"/x""x}}';X=${X//x""x/"'"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"'"/x""x}} < 1300388497 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `run X='!echo `run X=xxXXxx;X=${X//x""x/"xx"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"xx"/x""x}}';X=${X//x""x/"'"};echo ${X/X""X/${X//"'"/x""x}} < 1300388503 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Except that they don't OFFER shared hosting accounts. < 1300388514 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so EgoBot ignores HackEgo. EPIC WIN < 1300388517 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but it's still only for shared hosting accounts. < 1300388518 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1300388527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot ignores both EgoBot and HackEgo; it's antisocial like that. < 1300388528 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you know 1.7 is out. this erc buffer remarkably similar to the last page of clinger's paper shows up for " grond" < 1300388547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... *brain axplote* < 1300388565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All bots should ignore any nick with 'bot' in it, but then HackEgo doesn't have 'bot' in it :P < 1300388606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does fungot. < 1300388607 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i suspect there being some kind of priorities between your rules. ha ha ha ha < 1300388610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1300388610 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot)! < 1300388620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This "Sparkbot", I have no idea where it came from. < 1300388631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried to grep my #esoteric logs for it, and can't find anything. < 1300388658 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does clog respond to any command? < 1300388678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: No < 1300388678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it responds to ctcp version, IIRC < 1300388686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from clog: CLOG v0. < 1300388721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pfff < 1300388723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot doesn't ignore myndzi, but I guess you can't set up a loop with just \o/-style stuff since fungot won't respond to that. < 1300388723 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( google it) to the window < 1300388750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So glad captain pedantry was here to save the day :P < 1300388770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most bots don't < 1300388773 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\001ACTION jumps over the lazy dog\001' < 1300388773 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION jumps over the lazy dog
< 1300388802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo quite intentionally has no protection to prevent that. < 1300388805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\001VERSION\001' < 1300388828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, you could use that to do the world's most awkward and inefficient DDoS attack. < 1300388850 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, theoretically. < 1300388862 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo !echo Why won't EgoBot listen to me *sobs* < 1300388862 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo Why won't EgoBot listen to me *sobs* < 1300388869 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the way :P < 1300388873 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality it's just slightly annoying though < 1300388908 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo -e '\xFF\xFF\xFF' < 1300388908 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-e '\xFF\xFF\xFF' < 1300388911 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e 'x\000y' < 1300388912 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1300388913 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... fail :P < 1300388917 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\xFF\xFF\xFF' < 1300388917 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :��� < 1300388944 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything after \0 will get removed, expected. < 1300388948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\002BOLD\002' < 1300388949 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOLD < 1300388953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel strips bold < 1300388963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo !echo `echo < 1300388963 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `echo !echo `echo < 1300388963 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo !echo `echo < 1300388964 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo `echo < 1300388982 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classy < 1300389021 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181139120.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300389036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nobody talk, cheater's back < 1300389186 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300389210 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay there is one cheater in and one cheater out, the net cheater is zero < 1300389552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION golf clap
< 1300389834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes have outsourced their entire Fetish Fuel section. < 1300389837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To *Wikia*. < 1300389901 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1300390115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they were in severe trouble because Google threatened to - and actually did at one point - withdraw adverts because they thought there was too much adult content < 1300390127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course, that. < 1300390129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they've been busy trying to make the whole thing SFW in order to keep their advertising revenue < 1300390151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, why can't we have an internet run by adults. < 1300390201 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have an internet running on adultery < 1300390204 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we need < 1300390209 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300390259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, golden idols. < 1300390656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why haven't I ported gelfload to DOS ... < 1300390661 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, no good mmap implementation. < 1300390906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, do 32-bit DOS programs not use the MMU? < 1300390933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use DOS extenders which hide all the details < 1300390959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and typically they set the MMU to a really simple mapping, like mapping all physical memory into virtual memory with the same addresses, or the same addresses backwards < 1300390971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1300390984 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unless the extender provided an mmap implementation, you're hosed. < 1300390992 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could still load PIE binaries though ... < 1300391088 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that for Digital Bill, "mainstream audience" apparently means "people who are not interested in technology", including for example those who are interested in podcasts about didgeridoos. < 1300391090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DPMI does mmap: http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/dpmi/api/310508.html < 1300391101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More accurately, DPMI 1.0. < 1300391112 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nobody relly does more that 0.9. < 1300391247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Uhh, that doc does not look like mmap ... < 1300391251 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like device mapping. < 1300391275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking anonymous mmaps, not file/device-backed mmaps >_> < 1300391278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've mentioned that. < 1300391346 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the whole DPMI api is at that site, you can see if it does what you want. < 1300391416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can mungle with the LDT to some degree. < 1300391418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allocate Linear Memory Block [1.0] Allocates a block of page-aligned linear address space. The base address of the block may be specified by the client, and pages within the block may be committed or uncommitted. < 1300391443 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is, like, exactly mmap-anon :P < 1300391512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While Windows 3.0 includes support for DPMI 0.9,[2] version 1.0 was never fully implemented in Microsoft Windows, so many programs and DOS extenders were mostly only written for version 0.9. < 1300391516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most famous separate DPMI kernel is probably CWSDPMI; however, it only fully supports DPMI 0.9 and no undocumented "DOS API translation"." < 1300391533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So [1.0] support might be spotty. < 1300391534 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djgpp has its own though, doesn't it? < 1300391551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CWSDPMI is what it uses, IIRC. < 1300391552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't give a splat if I need a "special" extender, I'm talking about loading ELF binaries on DOS here X-P < 1300391563 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1300391569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why is this documented at delorie.com X-P < 1300391592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it works with multiple DOS extenders < 1300391597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just recommends one < 1300391600 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might get DOS4GW for free nowadays, it's what Watcom C used to use and there's OpenWatcom. < 1300391618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. I use it with HDPMI32 as JPC-RR doesn't emulate CWSDPMI correctly < 1300391622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CWSDPMI might do that part of 1.0 for all I know. < 1300391653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HDPMI (part of HX DOS Extender) provides "DOS API translation" and almost complete DPMI 1.0 implementation." < 1300391659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds viable too. < 1300391684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HX is friggin' crazy though, I could probably run WinELF under it :P < 1300391689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost assuredly in fact. < 1300391720 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put differently, "that's a bit heavy"' < 1300391776 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could use just the DPMI host part of it though. < 1300391851 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300392791 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: More than /8 is week was week of 28th February to 4th March. Of course, there has been those /8 allocations (two of them). < 1300392809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, elliott responded to a query but he showed no signs of getting over himself/ < 1300392894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he started thinking about Feather < 1300392897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope he recovers soon < 1300393630 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300393648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay Feather. < 1300393920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300394151 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300394639 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300395056 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've once again forgotten what Feather is :P < 1300395159 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEARTATO HAS MY TIE! < 1300395220 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how TV Tropes ended up with an administration so heavy-handed.
< 1300395242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discussion threads are _routinely_ nuked, and changes are made by fiat so often I've lost count. < 1300395329 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spring break achieved. < 1300395338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Huzzah? < 1300395430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've once again forgotten what Feather is :P <- be thankful < 1300395473 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it called feather anyway? < 1300395627 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same reason why Scape🐐 is called Scape🐐. < 1300395712 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you and your UTF-Goat. < 1300395787 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what reason is that? < 1300395800 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is there a scp-alike that does file-resume? < 1300395811 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does scp do it? < 1300395907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, ISTR that it was something to do with starting off as a lightweight Smalltalk. < 1300395936 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nvm that. what about a resumable scp? < 1300395948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1300395953 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300396104 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300396113 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, I finally figured out why aptitude ended up freaking out so much. < 1300396141 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenOffice to LibreOffice switch. < 1300396146 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dist-upgrade does it. < 1300396156 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/gtk-32-will-let-you-run-any-application.html how many people are already planning on seeing how many levels deep they can recurse firefox? < 1300396524 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0just spent 5 minutes searching for a piece of bread that fell off my plate on the floor. it was in my beard. < 1300396561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300396649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300397142 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1300397179 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g228060206.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300397336 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300397337 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181134066.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300397470 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300397911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the upper and lower bounds on votes on a single reddit comment are.
< 1300398674 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300398676 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300398689 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9ogpi/what_is_the_most_upvoted_comment_in_the_history/ might have the answer < 1300398690 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-243.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300398725 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://twitpic.com/4aciog < 1300398851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, 4000+ < 1300399022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You can do rsync-over-ssh to resume a broken scp transfer; I don't think it does natively. < 1300399066 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never used rsync < 1300399101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scp blah remote:bleh" + continue with "rsync -P blah remote:bleh". < 1300399147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there's another with 9500. < 1300399196 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that's a reply to one with -7500? < 1300399200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300399204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should work reasonably well as long as there's just one file, though it might waste some time/bandwidth in checking that the files match on both sides of the fence. < 1300399227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14,000. What. < 1300399230 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming a rsync that defaults to SSH.) < 1300399259 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ooh, where? < 1300399281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know. < 1300399291 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link is to a user page, not the comment. < 1300399325 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, look_of_disapproval? the *sum* is 14000, motivated by every comment being the same comment < 1300399338 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was, it's obviously changed since that post was made < 1300399347 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do i need to make a tunnel for it or will it just know? < 1300399361 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hmm, ah. < 1300399505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If it's configured to use ssh, it's going to use ssh just fine. Alternatively pass "-e ssh" to it. < 1300399715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly "--append" instead of "-P" would make it just append without checking the contents of what is already there. < 1300399973 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1300400210 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300400210 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300400210 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300400239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It annoys me to no end that the kind of people who think ESR is onto something have hijacked the glider? < 1300400243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?/./ < 1300400394 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://sss.cs.purdue.edu/projects/dynjs/javascript_the_evil_parts.png < 1300400408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seen it. < 1300400518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm makin' myself some corned beef and cabbage 8-D < 1300400558 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300400703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't a decent way of expressing my reaction to that. < 1300400755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JEALOUSY? < 1300400848 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone just came to my door, handed me money, and told me i'm getting more later < 1300400865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run for your freaking life. < 1300400889 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300400928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it's, like, terror mixed with incredulity mixed with curiosity all in a bag. < 1300400945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... due to ... corned beef and cabbage? < 1300400988 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300401051 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, the person does have clinically certified psychosis! < 1300401077 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300401359 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300401359 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300401359 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300401494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes/ < 1300401517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, combining my least favourite thing with something I have had only mildly negative experiences with. < 1300401566 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You are a bad person. < 1300401624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CABBAGE IS A BAD PERSON < 1300401727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What is your least favorite thing? < 1300401734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CABBAGE < 1300401743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BABBAGE. < 1300401746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good, so not corned beef. < 1300401756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, of course, DELICOUSNESS ITSELF < 1300401778 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, THE BASTARD < 1300401789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCUMBAG BABBAGE < 1300401793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVENTS COMPUTERS < 1300401819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GETS BORED AND DOES SOMETHING ELSE < 1300402556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1300402558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300402886 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300404030 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300404890 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300404964 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300406112 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300406147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300406152 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-204.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300406191 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300407264 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300407386 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300407533 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300408639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, why can't gelfload load normal binaries :( < 1300408824 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make gelfload a library so you could make platform binaries with platform-independent plugins :) < 1300408920 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the heck are you working on gelfload again? :P < 1300408928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have libdl.so X-P < 1300408945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gelfload as a library is like portlibdl :) < 1300408964 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except you have to deal with nasty things like "calling conventions". < 1300409108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those problems are MOSTLY blown out of proportion :P < 1300409193 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends, really. < 1300409231 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1300409234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floats are particularly nasty :P < 1300409237 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many architectures have a single calling convention or a single one that's actually common... < 1300409241 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we get x86 and x86_64. < 1300409254 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300409285 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 has, lessee. The set of calling conventions used by Windows is comprehensive, isn't it? < 1300409327 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much :P < 1300409331 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is quite retarded. < 1300409340 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdecl is MOSTLY the same as Unix though. < 1300409341 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mostly) < 1300409345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.agner.org/optimize/calling_conventions.pdf <-- so awesome < 1300409348 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64 has the Microsoft calling convention and the standard one. < 1300409400 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300409404 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should here note that I only really refer to C calling conventions. < 1300409414 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++? Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. < 1300409453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, obviously C++ is hell. < 1300409501 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think libdl.so would be a pretty awesome homepage for gelfload and connected projects :P < 1300409502 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the only saving grace there is GCC has a single C++ calling convetion. < 1300409531 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo C details. < 1300409548 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I was thinking about hacking up gelfload to do "approximation" so you could load old binaries and such if things that changed names just so happened to remain mostly compatible (e.g. libc version hell) < 1300409565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for some reason I can't load native binaries even when I load all deps with dlopen ... < 1300409593 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange; I seem to recall using gelfload on arbitrary binaries just fine. < 1300409612 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arbitrary ... statically compiled binaries? :P < 1300409682 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should actually build this GCC 4.6.0 RC and binutils 2.21.51...
< 1300409695 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And let the LTO make static compilation suck less! < 1300409722 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300409826 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this seems to have failed in exit() :P < 1300409830 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WURVE when that happens :P < 1300409839 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so easy to make that fail in a runtime ELF loader. < 1300409865 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GCC 4.6.0 has LTO not suck, and binutils 2.21.51 has linker plugin support in a genuinely stable linker) < 1300409867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'll bet it's because it double-exits. < 1300409966 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH CONFUSION < 1300409974 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IN GODS NAME IS GOING ON < 1300410067 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OPHg < 1300410232 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I/O seems a bit ... "odd" < 1300410239 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But /bin/ls works modulo segfault at exit < 1300410256 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And xterm works which is kinda awesome :) < 1300410272 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimp doesn't X-P < 1300410311 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwtf I can launch gdb :P < 1300410329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload # INCEPTION < 1300410854 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228063228.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300411045 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300411199 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300411461 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300412161 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-127-19.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300412163 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300412177 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300412327 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300412522 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found /lib/libc.so.6 for libc.so.5 :) < 1300412537 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the files compatible? < 1300412588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what you use. < 1300412610 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody have an x86_64 BSD system floating about they'd like to throw me a binary from? < 1300412613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, /bin/ls? < 1300412630 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe a simpler /usr/bin/yes? < 1300412886 0 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db423cc.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300413407 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300413413 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No BSDers? :P < 1300413488 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm corned beef and cabbage < 1300413565 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300413650 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And red potatoes) < 1300414037 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300414037 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300414037 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300414062 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess no BSDers. < 1300414138 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, time to make myself a FreeBSD install then! < 1300414229 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300415287 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1300415303 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mountain Dew Throwback is now a permanent member of the Pepsi line of products. < 1300415350 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sucrose tastes so much better. < 1300415370 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to? < 1300415377 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HFCS < 1300415393 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really *quite* apparent in sodas. < 1300415396 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lies) < 1300415418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realize I make my own soda, right? :P < 1300415422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(w/ sucrose) < 1300415426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trollin' < 1300415434 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're also anosmic. :P < 1300415441 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PFF < 1300415449 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ALSO have an ELF loader that can load itself :P < 1300415455 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and that is awesome. < 1300415522 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww foo, can't run FreeBSD ls :( < 1300415556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, interesting, it's in relocating, not running ... < 1300415583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1300415586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Glary
< 1300415595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ninite has it, CNEt's heard of it < 1300415689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol undefined: 'atexit' wuh? < 1300415716 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd. < 1300415725 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely in libc. < 1300415732 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should hope so X-P < 1300415739 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I got Found /lib/libc.so.6 for libc.so.7 < 1300415814 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or is atexit maybe a macro in glibc? < 1300415818 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bad about UAC not dimming the desktop? < 1300415837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like this is Ubuntu, where a rogue application can just fake a dialog asking for the password... < 1300415877 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for atexit in libmetahost_libc.so.7: (nil) ... yuh < 1300415887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ nm -D /lib/libc.so.6 | grep atexit < 1300415888 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000036870 T __cxa_atexit < 1300415889 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate < 1300415901 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In PRINCIPLE I could run weirdo binaries, in PRACTICE I can't :P < 1300415919 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the specs don't require certain things to be symbols and certain things to be macros. < 1300415970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft apparently has heard of Glary utilities. Though maybe I should learn how signed binaries work on Windows < 1300416002 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're not called signed binaries < 1300416003 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1300416015 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just make a "library" that consists of calls to each libc function. < 1300416028 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: So painful :P < 1300416045 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I of course mean "make a program that makes". < 1300416055 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to make them ... from man pages or some such lunacy. < 1300416068 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the info page. < 1300416116 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll make a generishims library. < 1300416209 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Glary is clearly demented < 1300416271 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not < 1300416453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma try with old Linux binaries instead. < 1300417017 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... in the eventuality that I download any :P < 1300417246 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try getting ahold of some Loki games. < 1300417279 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: they have more dependencies than just libc) < 1300417335 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, SDL is still ABI compatible with what Loki wrote way back when. < 1300417477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol zmagic < 1300417478 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too old < 1300417504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggested old Lolki game? < 1300417510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^^^ not typo) < 1300417517 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, Alpha Centauri? < 1300417594 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is actually surprised that Loki had any success porting games.
< 1300417616 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had 10 employees, and there was basically no infrastructure for doing games on Linux. < 1300417624 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL exists because they needed it. < 1300417658 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow this random guy got their Sim City 3000 port running on Fedora in 2010 ... < 1300417690 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually quite commonly done. < 1300417702 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux is still system call compatible, you see. < 1300417726 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a matter of getting the entire set of libraries in place, and voila. < 1300417730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you think he bundled it with l---right < 1300417759 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, Gentoo has the appropriate libraries in emul-linux-loki-compat or some such. < 1300417854 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lol < 1300417880 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proceeds to snag SC3K
< 1300417887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In principle) < 1300417900 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, heck, even if it weren't for such convenient things, you could always just install a chroot of old Debian. < 1300417912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1300417963 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. < 1300417975 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is still ABI compatible with Windows 1.0. < 1300417982 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux can't even keep ABI for 10 years. < 1300418034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS X isn't ABI-compatible with earlier versions of Mac OS X. < 1300418044 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 64-bit versions of Windows can't run Windows 1.0 binaries :P < 1300418044 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatibility was windows's number one goal for quite a while < 1300418047 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not very surprised < 1300418060 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, true, Macs are even worse off than Linux. < 1300418072 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still *possible* to run ancient binaries. < 1300418082 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fekk, potato binaries still work X-D < 1300418084 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac's had 2 ABI breaks so far. < 1300418112 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple is all about the "if it's broke, throw it out and replace it" < 1300418115 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian potato was on Linux libc, wasn't it? < 1300418126 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, hamm was that transition. < 1300418148 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, potato *non-C++* binaries will still work. < 1300418160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato? < 1300418166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1300418168 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dur < 1300418213 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C++ ABI has had a breakage since then) < 1300418241 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, missing symbols. < 1300418248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME FOR GENERISHIMS < 1300418864 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call to undefined symbol __setfpucw < 1300418864 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call to undefined symbol __libc_init < 1300418864 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call to undefined symbol atexit < 1300419432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. < 1300419432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0 0x0804c306 in ?? () < 1300419433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300419812 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 804c306: f6 44 43 01 40 testb $0x40,0x1(%ebx,%eax,2) < 1300419816 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes "hmmmmmmm"
< 1300419840 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see your "hmmmmmmm" and raise you a "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm" < 1300419865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's interesting, it's failing somewhere in the result of getopt_long_only ... < 1300419969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why is it dereferencing the result of getopt_long_only ... < 1300419989 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is an int) < 1300419999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did getopt_long_only used to have a different API? < 1300420093 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind, I misread. < 1300420145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd, it's dragging something out of BSS ... that's zeroed still ... < 1300420395 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300420472 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this game http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSxiangqivsortho the inventor claims that there is no checkmate possible on first move. However, me and two other people say the Chinese side can checkmate immediately if they play first. Look at the picture (under "Setup"), it should be clear. What do *you* think? < 1300420545 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, *three* other people. < 1300420608 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like FreeBSD and GNU might have incompatible internal __mbrtowc functions :P < 1300420624 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What are __mbrtowc functions? < 1300420667 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mbrtowc - convert a multibyte sequence to a wide character // essentially a UTF-8 to UCS-16 converter (in the common Unicode case) < 1300420680 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's implemented as a macro on both FreeBSD and GNU. < 1300420695 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To different versions of an internal __mbrtowc >_> < 1300420718 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHEY! I just ran BSD pwd! < 1300420722 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On GNU/Linux) < 1300420754 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I know. Could you possibly make a kind of program patching for this? < 1300420755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo works too :) < 1300420797 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's what I'm doing when there are functions that simply aren't supported on the other system, but it's harder when they're just incompatible >_> < 1300421048 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I make the icon for the Courier piece in Courier Chess? < 1300421064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... by finding someone who can draw? :P < 1300421064 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is called "courier" and also "runner") < 1300421103 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1300421105 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my question is what kind of shape. < 1300421156 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Stupidly, old (like, libc5 old) Linux binaries are being more difficult than FreeBSD binaries :P < 1300421184 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, yes. < 1300421190 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BSD is better-written. ;) < 1300421255 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the pieces including FIDE chess, I just look at the SVG files in Wikipedia and typed in the same numbers. And for compound Archbishop/Marshal/Amazon, I take parts of it and make combined. Some pieces I look at other example and put my own numbers in. But some is difficult. < 1300421436 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I ask about Courier Chess. < 1300423143 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300423633 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, doing the recitation video's problem, I flat out forget that dot products are scalars < 1300423637 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at self
< 1300423645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only remembered as the guy started speaking < 1300423708 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am *very* disappointed at the limits on radiation. < 1300423723 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, irradiation. < 1300423727 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite distinct. < 1300423753 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The legal limit for radiation level in irradiation is a bit too low to allow for *shelf-stable meat*. < 1300423929 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For which angle θ is the component of A in the direction of B equal to 0." < 1300423946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad if I don't do any math for that probem since the answer is so blatently obvious? < 1300424341 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300424913 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300424927 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write some computer programs for Free Geek and make some changes to their other programs that I have been asked to do. I also help them make whatever documents and stuff they need in TeX, and make their logo in METAFONT. < 1300425078 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This is a quit message!!! Now you have to play chess!!! < 1300425179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution sheet did not list theta=3pi/2 as an answer < 1300425183 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who do I complain to? < 1300425227 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, they also didn't list 2pi + pi/2 as an answer, and I wouldn't expect them to < 1300425628 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300425646 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300426199 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would like to beat everyone who thinks that English is and/or should be the sole language of the United States.
< 1300426235 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Official languages of members of the United States include: English, Hawai'ian, Samoan, Chamorro, Carolinian, Spanish, French, and German. < 1300426264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no finnish? < 1300426274 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Finnish, sorry. < 1300426288 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Finland could join the US, thereby solving that. < 1300426298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true < 1300426313 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only really takes the consent of Finland & Congress. < 1300426336 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or enough insanity to engage in a war of conquest. < 1300426354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300426408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be pretty cool if we suddenly decided to invade usa, flew there and started beating ppl up < 1300426425 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free. < 1300426435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300426440 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300426448 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the few quick fixes to our political system. :P < 1300426463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's five million of us so if we went to new york, each of us would only have to beat up a few guys < 1300426489 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, just taking over New York would really fuck up the US. < 1300426506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read somewhere really reliable that we have the second most weapons per guy in here. unfortunately you were the first. < 1300426520 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it'd stop Congress from wanting to nuke New York after that. < 1300426534 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing Congress doesn't have the power to nuke anything. < 1300426548 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Unfortunately*, the President can nuke anything for any reason whatsoever at any time. < 1300426565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's the big change obama meant < 1300426567 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300426571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuking cities < 1300426574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that suckl < 1300426576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suck < 1300426581 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even joking about that, though. < 1300426594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that's what i've understood < 1300426601 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is always one guy near the President with the equipment to signal a launch. < 1300426604 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fucking nuts. < 1300426619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is sorta hard to believe < 1300426682 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football Not fucking kidding. < 1300426987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300427829 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300427838 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300428236 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300429151 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300429228 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300429336 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuclear football, the sport of real men. < 1300429369 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Alex_Megaroide < 1300429524 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-13-79.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300430159 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300430167 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean european nuclear football, right? < 1300430176 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300430189 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're referencing pikhq_'s comment < 1300430200 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is undoubtedly an article about the "briefcase" < 1300431315 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is called a football for stupid reasons. < 1300431607 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because it is meant to be protected by the person carrying it the way a runningback protects a football < 1300431657 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait, you're finnish?? < 1300431774 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, because of media. < 1300431790 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1300432094 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300432567 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300434363 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is very happy because he's getting a free LYAH book
< 1300434664 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300434671 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC space fragmentation (total amount of non-reserved blocks of space smaller than): 1M: 1.786, 512k: 1.442, 256k: 0.895, 128k: 0.629, 64k: 0.329, 32k: 0.229, 16k: 0.154, 8k: 0.096, 4k: 0.062, 2k: 0.036, 1k: 0.024, 512: 0.017. < 1300434817 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better run defrag. < 1300434830 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, APNIC has over /14 (256k) worth of /24s. Allocating those would take fair amount of time, except that allocations start to seriously fragment when larger blocks are gone. < 1300434982 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300435052 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-63-179.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300435199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1300435200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1300435334 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just those small blocks will create something like 1500 fragments by the time APNIC depletes. < 1300435490 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC current maximum block size is 1M, so anything above that will be fragmented. < 1300435542 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2M would fragment into 2 blocks, 4M would fragment into 4, 8M would fragment into 11. < 1300435691 0 :Alex_Megaroide!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1300436325 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231051007.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300436385 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300436809 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: why would 8m fragment into 11? < 1300436871 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5x1M+6x512k. < 1300436904 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only 5 1M blocks (and nothing larger non-reserved). < 1300436925 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300437031 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Large blocks are going to run out much faster than smaller ones, causing loads of fragmentation. < 1300437211 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300437602 0 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-6-244.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300439031 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1300439032 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1300440016 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300441331 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: can't they defragment them? < 1300441350 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, they can't. < 1300441378 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come? < 1300441390 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be perfectly imaginable people would be willing to swap blocks < 1300441425 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would mean renumbering, and renumbering is big amount of work, especially with IPv4. < 1300441445 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300441523 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With IPv6, renumbering is somewhat easier, and allocation strategies will also result much less renumbering as blocks grow. < 1300441661 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and while APNIC will be source of something like only 1500 fragments, IP address transfers will result in loads more. < 1300441700 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229115.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300441701 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300445042 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://satwcomic.com/how-to-keep-friends < 1300445044 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 denmark < 1300447388 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231050100.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300447389 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300447406 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231050100.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300447476 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300447782 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcopop! \o/ < 1300447782 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         | < 1300447783 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        /´\ < 1300448566 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to latest stats file, APNIC has 35 202 304 IPv4 addresses available. That's barely over /7 worth of space (/6.93). < 1300448591 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_number < 1300448727 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtfo cheater99 < 1300448730 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1300448742 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1300448786 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD NIGHT IR < 1300448789 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. sir < 1300448790 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300448792 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINGERS >| < 1300448842 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1300448962 0 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db423cc.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300449149 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300449210 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1300449445 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300449474 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300452370 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300453994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300454426 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300454716 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300454751 0 :hagb4rd2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :hagb4rd < 1300454791 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181128179.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300455135 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181139121.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300455248 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300456599 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300456655 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300459403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300459423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300459433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J has been GPLed. < 1300459438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this \o/ worthy? < 1300459438 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 | < 1300459438 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                /| < 1300459494 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300459894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./src/gelfload /bin/bash < 1300459895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol undefined: '__gmon_start__' < 1300459895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ < 1300459901 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was wondering why it wasn't working.
< 1300459911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason: Oh, it was working perfectly, I'm just an idiot :P < 1300459928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Turns out THAT'S WHAT BASH LOOKS LIKE DURP) < 1300460211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, does this mean that Microcosm isn't actually utterly dead? < 1300460236 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Microcosm is a project that I refuse to make entirely my project, so it is as alive as other people are willing to let it be :P < 1300460246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: gelfload on the other hand is alive and well, but distinct from Microcosm. < 1300460265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it ground to a halt when you couldn't work out a VFS structure you liked, no? < 1300460288 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300460298 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because everybody wanted ME to do the VFS, all I wanted was for there to BE a VFS. < 1300460311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1300460323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be happy for somebody else to design (and implement :P ) it, I just don't want to get stuck with direct FS, since that'll make Windows a lame duck. < 1300460361 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to completely different hierarchy? < 1300460391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And retarded limitations on file naming, not the best mapping of modes, etc. < 1300460642 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300461684 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300461714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/17/virginia-middle-school-students-suspended-for-oregano-possession/?test=latestnews < 1300461719 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300461724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words fail me. < 1300461725 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300461810 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-173.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300462762 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300462824 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181141146.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300462876 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: However, Microcosm or otherwise, I do have this: < 1300462891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload ./src/gelfload # INCEPTION < 1300463002 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that that only works by complete coincidence, btw :P < 1300463004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1300463144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1300463154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the coincidence? < 1300463162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shared libraries or something? < 1300463235 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, gelfload only works because it's configured to be loaded by the host ELF (or whatever) loader into an area of memory that it's unlikely that the guest ELF will be loaded into. < 1300463236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Shared libraries graaaah etc.) < 1300463257 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens that when loading itself, the process of replacing that area of memory with ... well, itself is sufficiently atomic to not segfault. < 1300463289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so it's theoretically possible for gelfload to fail for no apparent reason due to unfortunate allocation? < 1300463311 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but by that token it's theoretically possible for /lib/ld-linux.so to fail for the same reason. < 1300463326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? < 1300463337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could intentionally make a binary that would fail in that way :P < 1300463347 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But binaries made for ELF/Linux know where ld-linux is. < 1300463355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they avoid it. < 1300463359 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They of course don't know where gelfload is. < 1300463478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I DEMAND SUCH A BINARY < 1300463487 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :hagb4rd|afk < 1300463684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/low.tar.bz2 <-- done < 1300463703 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently ld-linux is just barely smart enough to not load over itself, so it kills itself instead. < 1300463737 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result though is just "Killed" to stderr and $? == 137 < 1300463846 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it issue the signal to self or is that kernel killing process after exec goes sour too late to back it off? < 1300463860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel has no idea. < 1300463865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally userland. < 1300463885 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel doesn't even know how to load dynamic binaries. < 1300463886 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace should show it then? < 1300463917 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace can have ... unique behavior when things go wrong in the loader :P < 1300463926 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In my experience) < 1300463941 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300463972 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.26: 1k to Malaysia, 3x1M+512k+3x256k to China, 256 to India. 1.84 blocks remain. < 1300464015 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logaritmic size: /7.120 < 1300464055 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relative allocation size: 12.4% (!) < 1300464114 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and two of those 1M blocks were part of 2M block APNIC didn't have space to allocate in one block. < 1300465151 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The existing January monthly record has already been slammed (and it has been only 18 days instead of full 31). < 1300465166 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300465235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300465332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apparently ld-linux is just barely smart enough to not load over itself, so it kills itself instead. <-- what are you doing for this to be of relevance? < 1300465346 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 30-day figure of 2.34. Ouch. < 1300465445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way Chrome thinks the internet works. < 1300465455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : strace can have ... unique behavior when things go wrong in the loader :P <-- strange, after all it just ptraces system calls < 1300465456 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that rate, depletion in about 3.5 weeks. < 1300465457 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hmm? < 1300465459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't connect to website? WEBSITE MUST BE DOWN < 1300465494 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137234.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300465500 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I think Chrome has a thing where it submits inability to connect to some Google server, and if a lot of people can't connect... < 1300465510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, when is depletion for RIPE? < 1300465534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it couldn't connect to the page because *my WiFi was down*. < 1300465542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1300465611 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300465720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, stracing low shows it dying during the execve call. < 1300465741 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Lagerholm (ipv4depletion.com) says 2012-10-17. Huston (potaroo.net) doesn't seem to give estimate until APNIC depletes (and RIPE becomes next). RIPE itself says "this year". < 1300465812 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, Lagerholm gives really optimistic estimates for RIRs. Huston is much more pessimistic (might not be as pessimistic as reality). With IANA depletion, it was the other way around. < 1300465876 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ARIN says "this year". < 1300465938 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. Reading comment by Huston written in November: "A less conservative model that uses settings that reflect continued escalation of demand through 2011 now forecasts APNIC exhausting its address pools in September 2011." < 1300466006 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, now it is mostly question of if depletion occurs in first or second half of April (The current huston estimate of May 5th looks quite overly optimistic). < 1300466257 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181136019.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300466316 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300466404 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300466510 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300466524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there any way I can use Libertine in LaTeX? < 1300467688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: wait, you're finnish??" <<< yes, what else? < 1300467776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured my decent knowledge of the finnish language was a dead giveaway < 1300467896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: JRR Tolkien was Finnish. < 1300467957 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's finnish in here < 1300468184 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i know a little about suomi without being finnish! < 1300468185 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Vorpal. < 1300468191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE DOES NOT HAVE THE AWESOME < 1300468204 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not have the... "quality" < 1300468235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the language or the country? < 1300468303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why anyone would learn the language, but everyone seems to know "yksi, kaksi, kulma, n�ljy" < 1300468314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something related < 1300468350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that the country completely failed at mocking gullible foreigners. < 1300468363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300468385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe scratch that < 1300468421 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you seriously go for naked snow rolls? < 1300468431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *classic* gullible foreigner material right there. < 1300468453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying we don't? < 1300468485 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying you shouldn't *unless* it enables you to mock gullible foreigners. < 1300468507 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... naked snow rolls. < 1300468538 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300468540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could mock them by telling them we don't roll in the snow naked and when they go "figured" we could laugh behind their backs and go back to the sauna < 1300468543 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are actually pretty enjoyable. < 1300468561 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't get is swimming in holes in the ice. < 1300468574 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Finns just don't get it. < 1300468585 0 :Mannerisky!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300468589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, over here we have this thing called haggis. < 1300468593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also bagpipes. < 1300468609 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bagpipes were pretty common all over europe < 1300468623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: you've tried and disliked? < 1300468624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an instrument of torture! < 1300468635 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the British Empire's Army's bagpipe corps that've made them associated with Scotland < 1300468643 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: tried and liked and lapsed from liking < 1300468719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't done it for a while either, although multiple times this winter < 1300468722 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like haggis < 1300468723 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is good < 1300468726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haggis is great < 1300468745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, see? You've been gullible foreigner'd. < 1300468747 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klop: i like the fact that suomi is similar to hungarian and japanese, from grammar < 1300468758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how? i still dgi < 1300468761 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I figured that was the Scots tricking themselves into it < 1300468777 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i've had really good haggis, but it was sold at waitrose in london, which is this posh supermarket. < 1300468786 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of being gullible at being distinct from the english < 1300468788 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i wouldn't dare eat it from say a stand or a pub somewhere. < 1300468853 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: the similarity to japanese is less than commonly claimed < 1300468860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heat: i don't think we have anything in common with the japanese grammar, at least based on what i know sofar < 1300468870 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: somewhat head-last < 1300468877 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: japanese almost has a case system < 1300468880 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it? < 1300468888 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: knowing both japanese and finnish is less than common. < 1300468904 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know three our four people that know passable japanese and finnish < 1300468919 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done. < 1300468923 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh < 1300468930 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read typological accounts of Japanese < 1300468935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish is more head-last than english? < 1300468939 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I consider reading a reference grammar at some point < 1300468945 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes. < 1300468957 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have postpositions. < 1300468960 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it, I think? < 1300468975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right < 1300469008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that indeed is a similarity < 1300469043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Head-last? < 1300469066 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: heads of phrases go after dependants < 1300469067 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300469102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THESE FINN WORDS < 1300469110 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so like, English is head-first, since the head of a noun phrase (the article), goes first, the head of a prepositional phrase goes before the noun phrase, the head of the verb phrase (the verb) goes before the arguments < 1300469115 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to my tiny understanding, head-last = stack-based < 1300469127 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300469140 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, both english and finnish are somewaht inconsistent < 1300469146 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese is very consistently head-last < 1300469185 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>-(: < 1300469204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: that's a VERY cute smiley < 1300469266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)-< < 1300469345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not standing on head.) < 1300469402 0 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1300469406 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300469407 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean not head-last < 1300469422 0 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1300469431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I feel a rimshot is in order. < 1300469434 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300469455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think that was his joke to begin with < 1300469482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which is why a retrorimshot is in order. < 1300469487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1300469490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only Feather existed. < 1300469491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can still happen < 1300469492 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should try and get my hands on a japanese reference grammar < 1300469503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: why so < 1300469513 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reference! < 1300469531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that makes sense < 1300469557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should actually be studying japanese right now < 1300469568 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am part of the conlanging-community, and into typology and stuff like that < 1300469576 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not that far from my usual interests. < 1300469773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are the java and c++ of natural languages < 1300469796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the ithkuil of esolangs < 1300469798 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would claim you can pick any two languages < 1300469806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ithkuil? < 1300469809 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and construct an analogy < 1300469813 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python might be Simple English < 1300469817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd put English as either Java or C++. < 1300469818 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that one of the is the java and the other is the c++ < 1300469828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it sucks but everyone uses it anyway. < 1300469835 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's English suck? < 1300469839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil is that thing where every feature of every existing language works in perfect unison < 1300469849 0 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1300469860 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil is a cartesian product :| < 1300469865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, ...you know English, yes? < 1300469865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english sucks as much as the rest of them < 1300469875 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I do, but I know several other langs as well < 1300469875 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300469882 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, well, fair point. < 1300469883 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i find the most commonly cited reasons why English suck < 1300469890 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are based on misunderstandings of how languages work < 1300469906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: lol good one < 1300469910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that product thing i mean < 1300469919 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true though < 1300469930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say it isn't < 1300469938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most programming languages suck, though, except those designed deliberately and carefully. < 1300469940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean it's not the perfect language < 1300469952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which kind of reflects natural languages. < 1300469962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural languages suck all kinds of ass < 1300469974 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural languages are pretty well adapted to things though < 1300469984 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, look at the most "engineered" languages for human communication < 1300469995 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300469999 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them are inflexible < 1300470010 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lack redundancy < 1300470015 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because redundancy is "inefficient" < 1300470034 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, there's a clear reason why we need redundancy, and that's why linguistic evolution so often converged on encoding things reduntantly < 1300470076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redundancy isn't so much my problem as incessant special-casing. < 1300470076 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so often's < 1300470082 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is almost ubiquitous. < 1300470087 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the special casing is a kind of optimization as well < 1300470094 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also does contribute to redundancy! < 1300470127 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all past tense verbs ended in -ed, that'd slightly increase the likelihood for mishearings < 1300470161 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, the special casing is often the result of a kind of inertia < 1300470193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that doesn't make memorising it any less stupid. < 1300470215 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lots of verb forms that are regular are probably memorized anyway < 1300470268 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some experiments that show that inflecting takes more time than recalling from memory < 1300470332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't dispute that, but memorising special cases takes longer than memorising roots and inflection rules. < 1300470377 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually though, the irregular verbs are very commonly used ones < 1300470400 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get exposed to them more often < 1300470416 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per verb, that is, not more often than the regular way of doing it < 1300470421 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY VORPAL YOU SHOULD WRITE A VFS FOR MICROCOSM < 1300470433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1300470436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VORPAL WILL RUIN IT < 1300470440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Microcosm is a project that I refuse to make entirely my project, so it is as alive as other people are willing to let it be :P < 1300470452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUGGEST WE INSTALL SOMEONE COOL AS MODERATOR < 1300470453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it's the ultimate experiment in lazy evaluation? < 1300470467 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I ELECT YOU BUT ONLY IF YOU WRITE THE VFS < 1300470473 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yesssssssss < 1300470495 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO VORPAL CAN WRITE IT AND I WILL MAKE SURE HE DOESN'T MAKE IT STUPID < 1300470518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE SHOULD YELL MORE < 1300470521 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S VERY RELAXING < 1300470527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED < 1300470527 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: GOOD LUCK < 1300470533 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH < 1300470548 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, YES I WILL NEED IT < 1300470552 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE LIKE THAT GUY IN DILBERT < 1300470560 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MAY NEED YOU TO STAB VORPAL EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE < 1300470623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEVER QUITE GOT WHAT THE POINT OF LOWERCASE IT < 1300470624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IS < 1300470641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS EASIER TO WRITE < 1300470652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THIS IS THE INTERNET AND WE DO NOT NEED PENS < 1300470656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT REALLY, THIS WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO PRESS SHIFT < 1300470668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT, I NEVER DO THAT ANYWAY < 1300470721 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEANT WITH PENS < 1300470732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT THAT AFTER SAYING MY SAYINGS < 1300470752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YEAH I SUPPOSE THAT'S THE REASON < 1300470754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS WHY THE ROMANS USED UPPERCASE: THEY WROTE BY CUTTING LINES INTO A MEDIUM < 1300470754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Haha. Reading comment by Huston written in November: "A less conservative model that uses settings that reflect continued escalation of demand through 2011 now forecasts APNIC exhausting its address pools in September 2011." < 1300470780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider this a rehearsal of the singularity ;D < 1300470826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if things turn asymptotic, i think very few human beings have any working intuition about it) < 1300470831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't really parse Ilari's announcements, are there still ip4 addresses left? < 1300470853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in the regional registrars, yes < 1300470868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regional = how big? < 1300470869 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300470873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continental < 1300470876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300470894 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060172.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300470896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately. < 1300470918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does africa have the same amount as europe? < 1300470922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use < 1300470964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i think we have more internets than they do < 1300470970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :europe is probably running out much faster, although they both got 1 /8 block at the global runout < 1300470990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the europe RIR also includes the middle east) < 1300471032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :africa is the smallest of them < 1300471042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does /8 mean a 256th of the whole space? < 1300471050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes < 1300471088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k i would've figured it'd be /24 < 1300471093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC (asian/pacific) is using much faster than the others again, though < 1300471099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300471110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually maybe /8 is better < 1300471137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however as the last one to allocate normally, they got a bit extra at that point < 1300471238 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're still allocating at absurd rates. < 1300471250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i figured my decent knowledge of the finnish language was a dead giveaway < 1300471253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : HEY VORPAL YOU SHOULD WRITE A VFS FOR MICROCOSM <-- yes maybe during the summer, I don't have time now < 1300471266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the rest us cannot _know_ it's decent, you could be just making gibberish < 1300471275 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like me. < 1300471312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about google translate? if it can't translate any of the words at all then it is likely to be gibberish for example < 1300471316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hakkapellittäan oklopoli on koskenkorvat < 1300471325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i had a decent length conversation with Zwaarddijk in finnish tho. but i guess i could've planned this with him in pm < 1300471326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *ään < 1300471330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that looks plausible < 1300471334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err oerjan < 1300471376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's due to my decent knowledge of the finnish gibberish < 1300471382 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan ro'hìȳaku sannhiȳaku kuwasî ha ne! neko neko kawaî! < 1300471385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hakkapeliittaan < 1300471394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1300471404 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does those words mean? < 1300471405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you put an � there < 1300471410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy foreigners < 1300471412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1300471439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hey, you're not stupid; can you do the VFS for Microcosm? < 1300471442 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: darukadaruka muhame'tò sìha'tò no tè. < 1300471442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well i thought there had to be a new root inside there, so the last part was frontal < 1300471447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have no idea what you meant though < 1300471453 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can? Probably. Will? Probably not. < 1300471483 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, dammit, that's two of us. Except if I did it all chance of Windows portability would be out of the window. < 1300471508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: darukadaruka muhame'tò sìha'tò no tè. <-- what is this? < 1300471518 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Bullshit. < 1300471522 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :) < 1300471523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't translate oh < 1300471538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, looks like a mix of Japanese and some language Tolkin made up :P < 1300471565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the first one you almost said 600 300 then kuwa is some sort of farm related tool and then cat cat cute < 1300471566 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's an attempt to transcribe Arabic-esque jibberish into Japanese that I fucked up because I need coffee. < 1300471582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1300471591 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "Oerjan 600 300 explain, right? Cat cat cute!" < 1300471604 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last bit was, of course, because of non-Japanese otaku. < 1300471618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kuwasu to explain < 1300471646 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Waaait, that's not it, is it. < 1300471649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right kuwa is a hoe < 1300471650 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking hell I need coffee. < 1300471705 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuwasii "detailed, accurate, well-informed"... < 1300471767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sannhiȳaku <<< shouldn't you have the hi -> bi thing somewhere? < 1300471774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I officially suck at determining that things suck < 1300471776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't know this notation :\ < 1300471780 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I really need coffee. < 1300471782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no opinion of Rebecca Black's "Friday" < 1300471783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300471788 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ah, but how did you determine this? < 1300471789 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be sannhìȳaku, yes. < 1300471800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two n's why? < 1300471815 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how you encode moraic "n" in my notation. < 1300471824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1300471834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By not hating something that the world seems to hate. < 1300471848 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :っ is encoded as "'". < 1300471852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that world hate < 1300471866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that much i reverse-engineered < 1300471874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what thing? Windows ME? < 1300471889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually the rest too, except for that n thing, i suppose < 1300471900 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helps that it's quite regular. < 1300471911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1300471931 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every kana is encoded in one or two characters". Easy. < 1300471933 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 < 1300471942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kana means chicken in finnish < 1300471955 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lols at all the critical comments being marked as spam
< 1300471962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, might check later. < 1300471983 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means temporary notation in Japanese. :P < 1300471994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually katakana means use the chicken as a table in finnish < 1300472004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. not exactly, but anyhow. < 1300472056 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese people are too crazy < 1300472060 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like "set the chicken", where "set" is used as the verb in "set the table" < 1300472072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i preferred mine < 1300472091 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game, set, match. < 1300472096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, dining on a chicken? awesome idea < 1300472178 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300472184 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300472322 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: No, English speakers are too crazy. < 1300472330 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Japanese people just don't give a shit. < 1300472364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's not crazy enough. < 1300472587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not even Gene Ray? < 1300472595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a most unusual name too) < 1300472614 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, he's just differently sane. < 1300472640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300472666 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-6-244.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300472698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Gene Ray" isn't too unusual a name. < 1300472705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are common enough components. < 1300472731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ray of genes < 1300472878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes but the combination sounds quite weird :P < 1300472933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meme Tangent < 1300472998 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"differently sane" X-D < 1300473044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300473554 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, combining a common first name with a common last name does not necessarily yield a common name. < 1300473564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't see too many Nguyen McTavishes. < 1300473690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common English-y first/last < 1300473766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, or Sven Smith < 1300473896 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Ørjan Tanaka. < 1300474004 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300474112 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300474364 0 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-53-235.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300474558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sven smith is probably not that rare in scandinavia... < 1300474617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooko < 1300474683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually the top google hits seem to all be in english < 1300474747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svein smith on the other hand gives many norwegian hits (although that's with norwegian google) < 1300474785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually that's probably mainly one person, svein smith-meyer < 1300474787 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300474791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1300474792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1300474794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1300474795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1300474798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1300474799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1300474801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1300474802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1300474805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1300474807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1300474827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who seems to be a ceo kind of guy < 1300474845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and freemason :D < 1300474851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freemasons! < 1300474873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okoko? < 1300474937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a guy in my school who thinks the fact that itanimulla.com redirects to nsa.gov is incontrovertible proof that the Illuminati control the government. < 1300474976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an anagram of illuminata? < 1300474995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*itanimulli < 1300475016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely a redirect the other way would potentially be proof, but that way round is irrelevant? < 1300475097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um actually it's not an anagram, there's an i/a mismatch < 1300475103 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to tell him that, but it's nigh impossible to reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. < 1300475107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er oh < 1300475112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly is an anagram of illuminata < 1300475112 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I ACKNOWLEDGED THAT < 1300475124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mismatch < 1300475147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the illuminati, just more neutral < 1300475179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit, guy at #math stopped asking why the zero vector alone forms a vector space < 1300475212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was funnn < 1300475226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean he actually got it? < 1300475228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it wouldn't form a very /useful/ vector space... < 1300475236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1300475268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, " moses: do this exercise on your own (that's all there is to it): Let F be any field and X any singleton set. Show that there is exactly one way to endow X with a K-vector space structure (addition, K-scalar multiplication, zero)." " weia: i will" " bbl" < 1300475307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have the zero space, many things become more complicated to state < 1300475331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector spaces are varieties, and all varieties have trivial members < 1300475338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*form a variety < 1300475341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, OK < 1300475359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what oerjan said although that's essentially the same thing < 1300475379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variety = closed under subthings and products and homosexual images < 1300475397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not having {0} would be a silly exception < 1300475414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that = should be an equivalence though, i don't think they usually take that as the definition < 1300475429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw it as a definition *today* < 1300475430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they do < 1300475435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300475463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did you know that < 1300475472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just have finite direct products < 1300475482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't get that varieties = equation defined shit < 1300475483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead < 1300475489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that varieties are that in some eventual sense < 1300475499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300475512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that sense is because the article about this couldn't be found on the internets :( < 1300475518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall but i may have touched by it < 1300475586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but were you touched by it? < 1300475589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall there's a connection between monads over Set and varieties with possibly infinite operations, though < 1300475591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not if you don't recall it < 1300475637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if that could be similar to what you say < 1300475679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this i read in an encyclopedia (paper) article about monads, though < 1300475730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wikipedes
< 1300475823 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300475881 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC relative allocations in last 30 days: Something like 86.8%. Insane. Just plain insane. < 1300475891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is far too dense for my brain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(category_theory)#Algebras_for_a_monad < 1300475898 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some 0.25 /8s were allocated today, right? < 1300475901 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.26 < 1300475921 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, over 5 times the rate of entiere rest of the world combined. < 1300475924 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So freaking insane. < 1300475933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for something specialized to Set < 1300475947 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300475959 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last 30 days rate for APNIC is now something like 2.34 blocks. < 1300475991 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300476051 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is something utterly insane. < 1300476100 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300476114 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION builds GCC for reasons of hopefully awesome
< 1300476160 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300476166 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For this year as whole: 4.30 blocks. < 1300476358 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77 days. And over half of those addresses have been allocated in last 30 days. Wow. < 1300476365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i got stuck at the adjoint functors part < 1300476370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many blocks does APNIC have left? < 1300476375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the monad article < 1300476423 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.84 (not couting setaside block). < 1300476443 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I'll just assume that I will understand that much better when I get further in my studies. < 1300476477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm every pair of adjoint functors gives a monad, and every monad arises from such a pair in at least one way < 1300476499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what the hell is a pair of adjoint functors < 1300476508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300476544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll continue trying to understand -> < 1300476547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a typical example is the free functor and the underlying functor for a variety of algebras < 1300476559 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks forward to having a generally-usable link-time optimising compiler
< 1300476593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say L is the functor which takes a set to the free monoid on the set, and R is the functor which takes a monoid to its underlying set < 1300476646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the free monoid on a set, S goes to all finite sequences of elements of S? < 1300476650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then L : Set -> Monoid and R : Monoid -> Set is an adjoint pair, and RL : Set -> Set is essentially Haskell's list monad < 1300476665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300476672 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 2.34 blocks per 30 days, depleting that would take 24 days. 24 days from now is 11th April. < 1300476673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not inverses? < 1300476674 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm presuming if "GCC, Mozilla Firefox, and other large applications" work, then GCC's LTO is actually functional. < 1300476689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess no one said they'd be < 1300476691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they are not usually inverses < 1300476725 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott would be so happy; this makes static linking worthwhile. :P < 1300476727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are natural transformations that make them almost inverses, though < 1300476736 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, might even make static linking against *glibc* practical. < 1300476741 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I doubt it) < 1300476783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Id -> RL is one, and that's the return for the list monad < 1300476830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LR -> Id may be coreturn for the list comonad, i'm not entirely sure < 1300476851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the example above) < 1300476857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does it mean for a bijection to be natural? < 1300476867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get the wp article and that's hard :< < 1300476911 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300476973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because i'm not looking up the definition of naturality < 1300476983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it is a natural transformation, i presume < 1300476984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bothers
< 1300477009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturality is pretty fundamental for category theory < 1300477015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh one of those things natural transformations have between hom sets? < 1300477017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm < 1300477089 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No *wonder* oerjan finds Haskell so natural. He actually knows category theory, rather than things vaguely related to it! :P < 1300477101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bijection should _be_ a natural transformation when restricted to each variable (and taking the most obvious functors to be a transformation between) < 1300477135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a natural transformation between what functors? < 1300477151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300477193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone give me a decent syntax for unordered pairs in Haskell. < 1300477208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee hom_C(FY, X) -> hom_C(Y, GX) < 1300477209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah idgi, i don't see two categories with the same "domain and codomain" categories < 1300477299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you fix X, say, the left side is the composition of the hom_C(., X) functor with the F functor and the right side is simply the hom_C(. , GX) functor < 1300477341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bijection being a natural transformation between those is what it means to be "natural in Y" < 1300477365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er oops < 1300477371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hom_D(Y, GX) < 1300477389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's dwell in "the hom_C(., X) functor" for a while < 1300477423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a function from C's objects to certain subsets of its morphisms < 1300477452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you make it a functor? < 1300477487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300477490 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b964e5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300477533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a functor from Set to Set, actually < 1300477573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains how this is all in one category < 1300477644 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should legislate against unnatural transformations < 1300477647 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly it's disgusting < 1300477660 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think they should be allowed to exist < 1300477667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to make his memory work
< 1300477678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you lost me there < 1300477708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait it's a functor from C to Set < 1300477714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1300477742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Haskell, you continue to baffle me. < 1300477757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an object Y in C is taken to the set hom_C(Y, X) < 1300477761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you map an object Z to the set of morphisms from Z to X or what? < 1300477766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300477772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, and let's see < 1300477834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if you have Z and Y in C, and morphism f : Z -> Y, then it goes to the set of morphisms you get by taking morphisms from Z to Y and adding a morphism from Y to X? < 1300477837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean composing < 1300477856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300477865 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why? < 1300477873 0 :Xuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300477876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this covariance/contravariance thing is soooo complicated :D < 1300477878 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300477891 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not really, it's just functors on opposite categories < 1300477893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right one of those hom's is contravariant < 1300477901 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, on hom functors < 1300477901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to do unordered pairs, and I've just been told that (a ~ b) cannot be deduced. < 1300477906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because... I don't even know. < 1300477912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other covariant < 1300477918 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: unordered heterogeneous pairs? < 1300477927 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty tricky :P < 1300477930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define heterogene... oh, right. < 1300477931 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :homogeneous is easy < 1300477934 0 :Xuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300477934 0 :Xuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300477934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hom(., X) is contravariant iirc < 1300477941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrapumpkin < 1300477941 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300477948 0 :Xuu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zuu < 1300477948 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I've used that many times in the past :) < 1300477952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while hom(Y, .) is covariant < 1300477964 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that'll be why. < 1300477971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah the functor on morphisms is just composition at the right side < 1300478033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which one is contra and which is co < 1300478037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: after all your and elliott's laughing about me about adding a computable-real type to C, I attended a seminar on Wednesday that demonstrated I wasn't talking nonsense after all < 1300478053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't recall laughing
< 1300478065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i said that < 1300478072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did? < 1300478074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1300478085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean what it means < 1300478093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does contra/co mean, those terms tell me exactly as much as Hom(., X) and the other < 1300478125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :covariant is the "usual" functor, sending morphisms to morphisms in the "same" direction < 1300478142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contravariant switches the direction of the morphism on the end < 1300478173 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300478176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well right < 1300478198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a morphism f : A -> B, then F(f) : F(A) -> F(B) if it's covariant but F(f) : F(B) -> F(A) if it's contravariant < 1300478200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the seminar even contained infinitary operations for a good reason < 1300478206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda obvious in the general case, but i can't seem to get it in this particular case with Set on the other end... < 1300478211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, people just put infinitary operations in their languages to annoy my supervisor < 1300478259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300478260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1300478268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just arbitrary of course < 1300478270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so if f : Y -> Z is a morphism in C, then since this is contravariant we want a morphism from Hom(Z, X) to Hom(Y, X) < 1300478278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait no < 1300478286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300478298 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have CT seminars at my job every friday :) < 1300478300 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including today < 1300478330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if g is in Hom(Z, X) then we use g . f < 1300478333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300478378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall we used the notation f^*(g) (in LaTeX) < 1300478427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and f_*(g) = f . g to make the other hom-functor Hom(Y, .) < 1300478445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(composing on the other end) < 1300478459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is covariant) < 1300478489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learned all this originally for categories of modules over rings
< 1300478639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i think i somewhat got what you said about naturality < 1300478646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's still some work to do < 1300479183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay category theory < 1300479403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1300479859 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300479963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i think i got it < 1300479972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i did other stuff too :P) < 1300479981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not much other stuff :() < 1300479991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATH IS HARD < 1300480006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda hard to get all of these things in your head < 1300480023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have two categories, and two functors, and Set and gah < 1300480033 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want category theory, I've implemented lots of fun stuff in agda < 1300480043 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the most general way possible, unlike previous attempts < 1300480057 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, https://github.com/pumpkin/categories/blob/master/Category/NaturalTransformation.agda#L98 < 1300480090 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also ##categorytheory :) < 1300480226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure this would be perfectly easy on paper, but i still find natural transformations kinda hard to picture when they occur in a "concrete" situation < 1300480249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the abstract definition is natural enough, so i'm sure i'd get it fast enough if i bumped into categories more often than ones every 2 months < 1300480257 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've been at our seminar today! people were having the same trouble there and I think we got rid of it < 1300480267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your seminars, copumpkin < 1300480271 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300480276 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk actually leads them < 1300480289 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1300480300 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, a you work with edwardk? < 1300480312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have enough seminars to worry about as it is < 1300480317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one) < 1300480331 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yeah < 1300480335 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1300480341 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's sitting across from me right now < 1300480345 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1300480428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could like, strangle him if you wanted to? < 1300480436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds kinda risky < 1300480436 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300480438 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's bigger than me < 1300480447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay that explains it < 1300480539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should leave the room quickly and quietly, there are recorded cases of humans attacking other humans for no apparent reasons < 1300480549 0 :hagb4rd|afk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300480605 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so I should just avoid all other humans? < 1300480607 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general? < 1300480611 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a gourd anyway < 1300480613 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think I'm safe < 1300480664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you should leave the room quickly and quietly, there are recorded cases of humans attacking other humans for no apparent reason <--- I like this quote, but HackEgo isn't here < 1300480744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: i'm not saying you have to avoid humans, just keep an eye on them at all times < 1300480777 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes copumpkin pie
< 1300480792 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300480800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and carry some money in your pocket so you can distract males if they get aggressive < 1300480834 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewww money < 1300480847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does money not work on females? < 1300480873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :females are a bit trickier < 1300480890 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300480894 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300480898 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi! < 1300480901 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookies! < 1300480902 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give! < 1300480922 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION steals copumpkin's cookies
< 1300480930 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: spy! < 1300480950 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! not a spy! < 1300480953 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats the last cookie
< 1300480955 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an edwardk! < 1300480956 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1300480958 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookie : < 1300480959 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( < 1300480960 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesh! < 1300480967 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mein cookie < 1300480990 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mein kampfy chair? < 1300481020 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1300481075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chow mein kampf < 1300481086 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i aint chowin your kampf, gtfo < 1300481092 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :das nassy < 1300481466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1081926478 < 1300481472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just in case my computer crashes again) < 1300481501 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1981024678. < 1300481503 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it. < 1300481506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1300481559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's Wed Apr 14 08:07:58 BST 2004 < 1300481638 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a great moment < 1300481697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lasted a whole second < 1300482439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Philosophy for Programmers" < 1300482445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap detector tripped. < 1300482589 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would read programming for philosophers < 1300482623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300482682 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ais523: I notice you don't even add the quote when he reappears :P < 1300482684 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I notice you don't even add the quote when he reappears :P < 1300482690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300482702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote you should leave the room quickly and quietly, there are recorded cases of humans attacking other humans for no apparent reason < 1300482703 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :336) you should leave the room quickly and quietly, there are recorded cases of humans attacking other humans for no apparent reason < 1300482706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was busy < 1300484436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god Comic Relief is on < 1300484442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already want to kick some babies. < 1300484471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been relatively unfunny this year < 1300487425 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/14/dixie.chicks.reut/ < 1300487431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two WTFs from the US in a day. < 1300488165 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.17/20110121150729] < 1300488873 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300489663 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300490142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300490256 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300490261 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did try out yoob. < 1300491049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you think of it? < 1300491135 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think is there should be a "load graph" for noit o' mnain worb. That is, there is a row on the graph for each ! and the pixel is lit when there is any ball in that position and dark otherwise. < 1300491280 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300491299 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it seems you cannot edit unless you load an example first. < 1300492166 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300492462 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want all the features of Wayland, and some things I would like changed. If I make a Linux system I could make the changes. < 1300492724 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said before that Ubuntu would change to Wayland. So I should make up a bit different kind. < 1300492744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I doubt Ubuntu would be an ideal Linux distro for you anyway < 1300492769 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would make my own distribution instead of using Ubuntu or any other one. > 1300572791 407319 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300572791 820302 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300572805 285712 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, /now/ it shouldn't be so screwy :P < 1300572809 559348 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs > 1300572809 574508 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1300572847 183304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I want to know is in case of TCP/IP drivers that will use those invalid addresses for their internal use, and not conflict with anything since they are invalid. Actually, we should group the invalid addresses into two groups, "driver level" and "application level" invalid groups so that the driver and application program can use their own codes for internal use. < 1300572995 497043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, if a IPv4 only program tries to connect to a IPv6 only server, then the driver can allocate a temporary IPv4 address for that connection. There might be other uses too; and maybe the application programs can also have their own uses different to these. < 1300573036 910229 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds more like something you should configure on a per-network basis (in which case they can use the private address ranges) and not hardcode anywhere. < 1300573053 668476 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Future Use" block (240/4)? < 1300573099 230888 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that, though of course technically speaking it wouldn't be impossible for those to be used to something that'd conflict with your home-grown solution. < 1300573453 831732 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purely as a hack you might also be able to do that particular job by allocating different "unlikely" addresses in the 127.0.0.0/8 block and then treating them specially, but of course that's not very legal. < 1300574730 518862 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300575525 359918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, why to designate some are driver level and some as application level. Then it will not conflict. < 1300575696 579024 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300576043 334234 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300576106 47745 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300576248 202997 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300576306 771655 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300577660 602409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping. < 1300577662 258256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ping < 1300577663 800585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1300577856 726615 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What is she doing in #esoteric? Is this your doing too? < 1300577864 115348 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell does not qualify as esoteric. < 1300577881 86982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1300577889 789069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE BEEN BACKTRACED < 1300577899 640138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME < 1300577951 333172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but esoteric qualifies as a haskell < 1300578326 982576 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-209.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300578426 925603 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL HAIL PHANTOM_HOOVER, THE GREAT LAMBDABOT SUMMONER < 1300578459 264826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GLORIOVS SOCIALIST SUMMONER OF COMRADE LAMBDABOT < 1300578521 808364 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :QVITE < 1300578661 342911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1300578668 672743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PART :#esoteric < 1300578692 796905 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Take that. < 1300578700 218682 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shouldn't abuse lambdabot bugs, actually.
< 1300578705 814689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300578716 494280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs lambdabot
< 1300578724 173936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I HAVE POWERS BEYOND YOVR IMAGINING < 1300578737 840609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLORIOVS SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF ESOTERICA WILL PREVAIL < 1300492845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu is the Worst Distro. < 1300492900 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wayland has hardly any features at all. < 1300492901 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Still, Ubuntu is what is used at Free Geek, when I am there I am using the Ubuntu system (although there are things I do not like about it). < 1300492968 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about all it really does is combine the framebuffers of each program into the graphics card's framebuffer. < 1300493003 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for this is that APT Guy has write access to its repositories. < 1300493009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :High-level write access, too. < 1300493024 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some things I don't like, also there should be a few things added. And then make the window manager as a separate module. < 1300493035 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300493037 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly, Wayland seems good idea. < 1300493047 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What features don't you like about it? < 1300493074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, based on the fact that this is zzo, it's probably a weird mix of ludditism and hatred of bloat. < 1300493096 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I doubt that making the window manager seperate is all that sane; it actually makes sense for there to be a bit more of a tight binding between compositing and window management these days. < 1300493134 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that the Wayland design gives a window manager developer much more flexibility. < 1300493134 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I mean, make it a separate module but that both modules are compiled together. < 1300493151 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh. That's kinda-sorta what it actually has going on. < 1300493214 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The intent is to have most of the functionality for compositing and such in a seperate library, so that someone making a specific compositor doesn't have to deal with much boilerplate. < 1300493279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have it without MIME types. Also without dragging, without non-rectangular windows, no dragging an icon from one window to another, and so on. < 1300493299 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have selection buffers have PRIMARY,SECONDARY,CLIPBOARD like X has. < 1300493304 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIME types is not part of Wayland at all. < 1300493338 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dragging is implemented above. < 1300493338 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I found a XML file that says some things about MIME types, though. < 1300493357 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-rectangular windows? What, you mean how there's an *alpha channel*? < 1300493397 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a Forth interpreter in under 600 bytes :-) < 1300493414 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Well, I don't actually know. But I do not think there should be an alpha channel or shaped windows. < 1300493446 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the format for mouse pointer icons I would have a table with each mouse pointer icon 256 bytes, plus 1 byte to indicate the adjustment for hot spot of mouse pointer icons. < 1300493447 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would take more effort to *not* support an alpha channel. < 1300493468 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could implement a Wayland compositor with such a format. < 1300493493 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, Wayland enforces *even less* policy than X. < 1300493521 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300493542 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if, there is alpha channel, and it would take more effort to make not support alpha channel, I would do so that using alpha channel is not guaranteed to work, according to my specification. < 1300493554 0 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300493617 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It is entirely up to the compositor how the alpha channel is handled. < 1300493636 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found also information about notification about the screen size. I would do it only the window manager is allowed to know the screen size, and all other programs only know the size of their window(s) and not the screen size. < 1300493642 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could even be rendered as epilepsy-inducing flashing, if you so like. < 1300493758 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/g6fnk/microsoft_shuts_down_the_worlds_largest_spam/ < 1300493766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about games that want to size themselves to the screen? < 1300493768 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should deal with alpha channel in a bit different way: I write a specification that says there is no guarantee as to what will happen when the alpha channel is used, and then make the program to ignore the alpha channel. < 1300493786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. DNA Maze fullscreens itself if the screen isn't large enough to fit the window it wants to make plus a window border < 1300493789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and windows itself otherwise < 1300493794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300493797 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It would be entirely valid for a compositor to do that. < 1300493812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help but think that it's Microsoft's damn fault in the first place for getting the world into a situation with huge amounts of hardware running a pathetically insecure OS. < 1300493815 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They would specify what size they want. So if they want 640x480 and the screen is larger, the program gets a 640x480 window. < 1300493842 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Part of the *intent* of Wayland is to make full-screen display not a set of hacks. < 1300493843 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the client area of the window is 640x480, but the border and stuff is added on to that size. < 1300493868 0 :Zuu__!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300493891 0 :Zuu_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300493921 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Well, I think it should be up to the user to select full-screen mode (the window manager knows the screen size so that you can push the key combination for full screen and that resizes the window and tells the program that its window size is now [X,Y] where [X,Y] is the screen size. < 1300493986 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program does not need to know whether it is running full screen or not, it only needs to know the size of its window. < 1300494002 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300494125 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most programs will want to render differently in full-screen mode than not. < 1300494141 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that it's nice to have the program be able to do it. < 1300494197 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think so. Otherwise you will run two programs that both want full-screen and then you cannot tile the screen into multiple windows anymore. < 1300494281 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to me that it'd be a simple matter for the compositor to just decide against allowing that. < 1300494771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1300494910 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300494934 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g229031216.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300495088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300495291 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b964e5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300496315 0 :Zuu__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300498457 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300498504 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300498924 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300499028 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-74-80-211.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300499418 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 bytes per mouse pointer icon may be too much, maybe 65 bytes for each icon is OK (one byte is for adjustment for hot spot) < 1300499702 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1300499800 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you are talking about, because i haven't read the logs, because my web browser thinks they are BIN files and wants to download them instead of letting me read them, so i will give you advice based on complete ignorance: you should use a compiled sprite for the mouse pointer icon < 1300499841 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300499841 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300499841 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300499901 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way the hotspot can be recomputed on the fly as a function of mouse speed < 1300499927 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Can you prepend "view-source:" to make them ignore as binary file? Some browser can do that. < 1300500003 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300500003 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1300500018 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is a compiled sprite used and how the hotspot is recomputed like that? < 1300500045 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: view-source: worked! you are my hero for tonight < 1300500141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiled sprite is just any code: the intention is that it draws a sprite at (x,y), but there is of course no good way to enforce that. likewise, the hotspot could be a function that... takes (x,y) and returns (xh,yh), i suppose < 1300500156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm just being silly < 1300500185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to boot this recovery disc to see if i can get a windows bootloader back on this machine < 1300500203 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will probably be back in a bit... unless something goes horribly wrong < 1300500214 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300500307 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300500598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zulEMWj3sVA <-- best Ohhhhh ching chong ling long ting tong response ever < 1300500937 0 :cpressey!~Chris@adsl-99-74-80-211.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300500978 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! installing ubuntu only confused windows, it did not destroy it. and the recovery disc knew what was wrong immediately and fixed it without hassle. < 1300500987 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now, back to ubuntu < 1300500990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300501214 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-74-80-211.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300501331 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-127-19.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300501389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of text files that are binary files that are text files: it appears that it is not possible to open mycology.b98 in gedit. it just freaks out and asks you to reselect the encoding ad infinitum < 1300501779 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I implemented Befunge-93 in yoob and I'm looking to test it) < 1300502217 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300502243 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-127-19.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300502279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I think of 65 bytes is two planes of 32 bytes each, 1 bit per pixel of 16x16, one plane for transparent/opaque, one plane for black/white; and one byte for the hotspot, which is 4 bits for X hotspot and 4 bits for Y hotspot. And then perhaps have 16 standard mouse icons. < 1300502308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running sanity.bf in Befunge-93 results in an infinite loop when the PC gets to the 'v' in the word 'invalid' < 1300502400 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: having an entire plane for transparency makes it easier to implement, but it wastes a tiny bit of space (assuming transparent white and transparent black display the same) < 1300502416 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should read the log to find out what you're talking about < 1300502595 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes that would waste space but makes it simpler. And it does not waste too much space if they are only 16x16 icons and only 16 such icons are loaded at one time. < 1300502933 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ol' bef seems to fail mycology's test for Go West, which seems unlikely to be true < 1300502997 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably loads the long lines wrong or something < 1300503444 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1300503636 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ICPT Facebook fun < 1300503814 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i think i see. if there are >80 characters on a line, the remainder get wrapped onto the next line. fun < 1300504270 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203073.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300504309 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300504378 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i were king, all compiler error messages would contain the word 'somewhat' < 1300504414 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.c:391: somewhat missing semicolon < 1300504499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yurf, it works now < 1300505112 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, all error messages can be replaced with "I have no idea what the fuck is going on, but something is wrong here" < 1300505125 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.c:391: I have no idea what the fuck is going on, but something is wrong here < 1300505131 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First referenced in foo.h:32: I have no idea what the fuck is going on, but something is wrong here < 1300507156 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300507212 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-68.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300507560 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how are you planning to implement it? is this for Wayland, or X-windows, or whatever that is that was being discussed? < 1300507592 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I playe a Pokemon battle against my friend < 1300507670 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not sure if you care, but: bef's # has different behavior depending if it's on the north or west vs the south or east edge. (wrapping is implementing differently for + and - directions) < 1300508192 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing that < 1300508439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300508448 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-241.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300508492 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test case: < 1300508497 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>v < 1300508497 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@0.v>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>># < 1300508497 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1300508500 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#<<< @.1@ < 1300508562 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bef now prints out '0 1 ', its previous incarnation (or running with the flag that enables backwards-compatible behavior) will just print '0 ' < 1300508743 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I do not know quite yet how I plan to implemented it, but probably a variant of Wayland. < 1300509658 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300510559 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300510646 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-182-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300510759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300510785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300511470 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300511622 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300511628 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300511740 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231220.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300512517 0 :ak4d7!~ak4d7@d347h.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1300513161 0 :ak4d7!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300513261 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300513319 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300514083 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300514083 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300514083 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300514216 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300514216 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1300514960 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright then... new version of bef released, v2.22: http://catseye.tc/projects/bef/ < 1300514968 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, good night < 1300514971 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300515234 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300515303 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300515457 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300516918 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300519326 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, it's weird out tonight. < 1300519378 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perigee at full moon is shockingly bright. < 1300519583 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: isnt it like 20% brighter? < 1300519586 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1300519588 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something. < 1300519602 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brightness is quite noticable. < 1300519619 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sky is blue. < 1300520206 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheese blue < 1300520337 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300520432 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried playing various raw picture files as raw audio files. < 1300521134 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300521338 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300521342 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-253-249.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300521599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1300521600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1300521790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Tyler, 10th president of the US, has 2 living *grandchildren*. < 1300521804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was born in 1790. < 1300522268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. How odd would a case such as this be: "The Crown v. Her Majesty"? Is it even technically possible? < 1300522305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *practically* it isn't, as the Queen could simply opt to exercise her ordinarily delegated authority as prosecutor in criminal cases. < 1300522971 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300523060 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300523909 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300524012 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300524272 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you figure out these number sequences? < 1300524349 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300524360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300524649 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/numseq.txt < 1300525450 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! ohhh! < 1300525453 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know! < 1300525465 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next number in each of those sequences is 0, right? < 1300525546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300525552 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: let's say there's a law set out by one of the previous bearers of the crown that is still in effect that the current queen breaks < 1300525579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was more thinking about the queen getting multiple personalities, but...
< 1300525585 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: and this law then means that people in the institution ("the crown") have to sue the person ("her majesty")? < 1300525774 0 :wth!~tianhou@110.200.45.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300525853 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300526368 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No they arenot zero < 1300526389 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. Lagerholm estimate for APNIC jumped from 13th to 2nd July (WTF, it is that optimistic???). Huston estimate jumped from May 5th to April 30th. < 1300526597 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC relative allocations for last 30 days: 87.9%. ~7.3x ROW. < 1300527032 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time when APNIC relative allocations were <1x RoW was only few months ago. :-/ < 1300527242 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All RIR allocation rates except APNIC are trending down. APNIC is rapidly shooting up, likely not decreasing until APNIC depletes. < 1300527394 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that the Huston estimate on RIPE NCC is overly pessimistic vs. recent events. < 1300527408 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's no mathematical proof for that! < 1300527492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300527518 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, pretty much nothing can be predicted about what APNIC exhaustion will do to RIPE allocation rates. < 1300527569 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also to ARIN rates. < 1300527666 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300527669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300527669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300528074 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIPE last 30 days allocations: 3 541 792 (0.211). RIPE has at least 2.87 blocks free (3.87 minus setaside). < 1300529622 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300529995 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You are correct there are not mathematical proof. < 1300530061 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many patterns can this program make? http://sprunge.us/gDCA < 1300530294 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-209.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300531233 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably quite many, given it's nondeterministic. < 1300532213 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300532312 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181134006.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300532593 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial state is 36 bits, but some states can be reached from other states, so you have to take that into consideration. < 1300533091 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the evolution is time-reversible. < 1300533104 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Each state having unique precessor). < 1300533220 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually the screen goes black and it repeats. < 1300533510 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0,0,0,0) is part of cycle of length 3 52 255. < 1300533519 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0, 0, 0, 2) generates some huge cycle. < 1300533532 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or not). < 1300533589 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300533599 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 337 908 < 1300533654 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's POINT(X, Y)? < 1300533765 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300533767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The color value of pixel (X,Y) in some BASICs at least. < 1300533804 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it apparently cycles the colors then. < 1300533835 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181130147.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300533886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300535013 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300535236 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300535247 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300536048 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300537003 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300537332 0 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300537882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1300538256 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klop < 1300538260 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300539276 0 :Zuu_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300539712 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bored :( < 1300539824 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300539828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what is ROW in the statement about APNIC above? < 1300540096 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300540520 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new textbook arrived yesterday, for the next course. Title sounds fun: "Real-Time Systems and Programming Languages" The subtitle less so: "Ada, Real-Time Java and C/Real-Time POSIX" < 1300540524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck invented "real-time java"!? < 1300540745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300541194 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300541544 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/r/esoteric has been banned. < 1300541545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMM. < 1300541617 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300541620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any relation to us? < 1300541636 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there an optbot there? < 1300541675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes a certain person's add applied to his grudges and not just to his projects
< 1300541690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1300541697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add? < 1300541698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *ADD < 1300541714 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the same thing now called ADHD? < 1300541726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. < 1300541733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1300541740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in any case a joke designation, not a diagnosis < 1300541745 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300541755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just parsed it as the word rather than the acronym. < 1300541772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or does ADA code look similar to Pascal code at a first glance? < 1300541781 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300541797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Ada is a close descendent of Pascal. < 1300541803 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct, even. < 1300541809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah that would explain it < 1300541811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh also: < 1300541816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : new textbook arrived yesterday, for the next course. Title sounds fun: "Real-Time Systems and Programming Languages" The subtitle less so: "Ada, Real-Time Java and C/Real-Time POSIX" < 1300541816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : who the fuck invented "real-time java"!? < 1300541833 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had the same kind of dejavu when i read some gopher code lately < 1300541840 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just haskell. < 1300541862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that gopher < 1300541878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, gopher the protocol? < 1300541904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the good parts of gopher basically merged back in haskell and gopher disappeared < 1300541907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*into < 1300541923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher? < 1300541927 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think haskell is like a successor of gopher < 1300541933 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ghs is the gopher something something < 1300541943 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait < 1300541949 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugs is the something something gopher something < 1300541971 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a lang. < 1300541977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, hugs changed from gopher to haskell at some point, but i think gopher was a haskell variant to start with < 1300542015 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was told it was a predecessor < 1300542019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also this book seems to use bold for syntax highlight keywords in ADA and java code examples. But no syntax highlighting at all for C examples < 1300542020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fun" < 1300542024 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically sort of parallel to miranda < 1300542027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hugs is Haskell without the shouting at you when you get types wrong? < 1300542064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1300542076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: um hugs still requires correct types < 1300542106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's gofer < 1300542114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gofer_(programming_language) < 1300542126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I was under the impression that it didn't spit out incomprehensible type jargon when you got it wrong. < 1300542188 0 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300542194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not quite as much. < 1300542322 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1300542337 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that visual functional programming language for making music? < 1300542388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1300542443 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn... i lost the link. < 1300542448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: i find that wikipedia article about gofer self-inconsistent about the history. but i _think_ gofer started as a haskell variant, did some things closer to miranda, invented several things that were later adopted by haskell, and was basically abandoned when hugs got advanced enough to support full haskell. < 1300542449 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think elliott posted it < 1300542458 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this rather cheap digital watch keeps the time well... I haven't set it for two or three years (I rarely use it, I prefer my phone for checking the time), and it is less than 4 seconds off. < 1300542475 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha < 1300542477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only off by an hour, so it is on DST likely < 1300542496 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is it a radio clock maybe? < 1300542500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, nope < 1300542519 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Rest of the World. < 1300542526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, aha < 1300542537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a vague recall that the Monad type class was first implemented in gofer < 1300542547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, basic three function ugly digital watch (time, alarm, stop watch) < 1300542567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and a button for backlight < 1300542575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl phone < 1300542586 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my watch doesn't have radio in it, but it's still a radio clock < 1300542597 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just means it can be synced through radio, that's all < 1300542603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what that article doesn't say is that haskell _did_ get monad comprehensions, then dropped them again, and is currently about to readd them as an option. < 1300542608 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't even seem to have alarm.. or deos it < 1300542638 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does indeed < 1300542650 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do monad comprehensions work at all? < 1300542729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: basically it works as syntactical sugar something like [x] = return x, [f x | x <- y] = y >>= f < 1300542745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait < 1300542757 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look right :X < 1300542762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[f x | x <- y] = y >>= \x -> return (f x) < 1300542792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: oh it works perfectly well and gives the result for lists < 1300542835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the same result < 1300543063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: my watch doesn't have radio in it, but it's still a radio clock <-- you are confusing two different "meanings" of radio here < 1300543069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1300543072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think I am < 1300543091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, I can assure you that this clock has no radio receiver < 1300543529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, what are the two meanings you're nattering about? < 1300543558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's synced to an atomic clock, it definitely does have a radio receiver. < 1300543795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time, before such syncing was widespread, "radio clock" had a rather different meaning. i don't know what you kids call it these days. < 1300543808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND GET OFF MY LAWN < 1300543825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a clock with a radio attached, then Vorpal is an even bigger idiot than I though. < 1300543828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1300543862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "my watch doesn't have radio in it" sound like he means "doesn't have a radio for listening to common broadcast" < 1300543864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah only idiots use clocks with radios attached < 1300543882 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because if it is a radio clock then it certainly has a radio of some sort in it. < 1300544275 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok < 1300544349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, may I come onto your lawn? To me radio clock means the older meaning still < 1300544365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and "radio synced clock" or such means the modern meaning < 1300544396 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough this clock is made in a small village that has a technical university and like 10 houses < 1300544397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, but you're not senile enough < 1300544402 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a technology park < 1300544410 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the other end of germany < 1300544431 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i worked in the exact same street it was made on, a year ago. < 1300544437 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the odds of that happening? < 1300544445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aww, I don't remember what I had for lunch today even < 1300544447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/9865060 < 1300544461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: this is because I haven't eaten yet) < 1300544469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i seee < 1300544510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, did you buy it in that village? < 1300544522 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i bought it in here because i liked the look of it < 1300544530 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know that company existed there < 1300544566 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the village was so small i had to live in an adjacent city and commute (two s-bahn stations) to work there < 1300544567 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300544586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, s-bahn? < 1300544592 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea like a tram < 1300544599 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a bus but on rails. < 1300544608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what a tram is < 1300544610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: do you have over a thousand clocks? < 1300544614 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300544633 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like my first ever OWN bought alarm clock < 1300544645 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps except for a mechanic one i'd had ages ago < 1300544655 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i think ended up breaking < 1300544657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, what about ones you got as presents? < 1300544662 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300544672 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had like 4 in the course of my life. < 1300544674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose we accept god < 1300544683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I suggest FSM instead < 1300544692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is much more plausible < 1300544694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite state machine? < 1300544709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, oklopol, i was going to say that < 1300544711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do believe in those < 1300544719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm, that's not what he meant? < 1300544720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300544734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly not < 1300544735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else does that mean < 1300544757 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fussili Salsicca Maccaroni < 1300544779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the flying spaghetti monster? < 1300544783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1300544785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*salsiccia < 1300544786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSM < 1300544797 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest FSM - the universe is a finite state machine, only the number of states is far too much for us to comprehend and notice < 1300544802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually already directly is that < 1300544809 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not some spaghetti monster crap < 1300544812 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite state machines! < 1300544828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: i've had that idea before < 1300544840 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that idea is old < 1300544846 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also probably right < 1300544877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares what the universe is, i just wanna know what the deal is with this clock thing < 1300544892 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to it < 1300545215 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300545380 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300545471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you will never know*! MWHAHAHAHAHA < 1300545475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Unless you check logs. < 1300546258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300546635 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300546640 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300546862 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300546862 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300546862 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300547931 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300547939 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300550036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asiekierka: i've had that idea before ← isn't that just finite space with some additional caveats? < 1300550057 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd call it practically infinite but theoretically finite space machine < 1300550077 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Practically infinite"? < 1300550339 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just an infinite state machine? < 1300550360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/gcc/reload.c?view=markup < 1300550366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY EYES HAVE SEEN THE GLORY < 1300551190 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not getting why that file is so fascinating :P < 1300551226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen the HIDEOUSNESS? < 1300551344 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See also http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/reload < 1300551543 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reload is the GCC equivalent of Satan." lol < 1300551672 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, http://sprunge.us/ICPT :P < 1300551868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's ---? < 1300552380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:18:26] hello is there any practical consequence of the fact that irrational numbers exist? < 1300552380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:18:27] or let me rephrase: hello is there any practical consequence of the "fact" that irrational numbers "exist"? < 1300552387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i ever leave #math < 1300552832 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because of TRWBW? < 1300552929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with TRWBW < 1300552963 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's TRWBW? < 1300552969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's this annoying jackass < 1300552982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone hates him because he's a dick to everyone < 1300553006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: could you please answer my question? < 1300553021 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he's terrible! < 1300553028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1300553038 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i didn't see your question because you didn't highlight me btw < 1300553054 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, when i stopped going to #math he would have those fits all the time < 1300553073 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like but not as bad as ... another person. < 1300553090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what you mean < 1300553104 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have learned a lot of life skills from TRWBW < 1300553118 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you joking me? < 1300553130 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1300553136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300553141 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1300553149 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what skills? < 1300553179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my opinions on math are to a large extent the same as his, strictly speaking i dunno if he's really influenced them < 1300553186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he really makes you think about what you say < 1300553200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise he'll ignore you forever < 1300553206 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way in which that was true for me was "i wish i hadn't come to #math to talk about this" < 1300553207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's a really nice guy so who'd want that < 1300553228 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about the same TRWBW? < 1300553241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way i took his punishment was "indeed, i should've been less of a retard" < 1300553243 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess there aren't two of him < 1300553269 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of him existing would probably just collapse the universe forever < 1300553303 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well i understand what you mean with the "life skills" bit < 1300553355 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's got experience with a pompous asshole (sorry about the wording), except you only need a few in your life to learn how to be nice to people, and i've had my fair share before i'd become.. exposed to him < 1300553382 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess i could've liked him the way you do, had i made contact with him 10 years earlier! < 1300553417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i like him because he told me i was a fucking retard once when i totally was and didn't realize it < 1300553427 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how our views diverge very much yet seem to be part of one bigger mechanism if you think about it < 1300553429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure everyone would do the same < 1300553455 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, the only thing i've experienced from his side was aggresive negativity < 1300553461 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again, ymmv < 1300553468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300553499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he is pretty aggressive and negative, i don't actually like talking to him :D < 1300553511 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me either < 1300553517 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence i stopped hanging out in #math < 1300553541 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, when i first started going there the place was overrun by like first-year CS freshmen < 1300553542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just hang out in math because it's fun to watch people being clueless < 1300553570 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd go there and ask how to prove something about real numbers and they'd say write a program that loops over numbers. or something dumb like that. < 1300553593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can rarely help with any interesting questions, just the "if x = 2, does that also mean all the 2's of the world are suddenly x?" < 1300553598 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you'd ask how to find the limit to a series and they'd give you a truncated decimal expansion. < 1300553619 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1300553621 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yea < 1300553635 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tbh i enjoyed efnet #math very much more than the place here < 1300553641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't mean i help with those either, i mostly watch others try and fail < 1300553661 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learned loads about how to approach maths from people like zeno, Polytope, landen, etc < 1300553678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know Polytope < 1300553684 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also helped me a lot < 1300553688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really just the nick < 1300553690 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polytope is a good dude < 1300553705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that impression, dunno where it comes from < 1300553707 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :landen is like this old guy on tenure in mit < 1300553720 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's so old he remembers when time begun < 1300553732 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think he's as old as glk lol < 1300553736 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever met glk? < 1300553739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300553747 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if the nick is right, i think so < 1300553783 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://grahamkendall.net/Main_Files/All%20URL.txt < 1300553797 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd idle in the channel < 1300553814 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like every time someone would mention anything about orbits or calculators he'd immediately spring up and spam his website url < 1300553834 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then engage into an in-depth conversation about the wonderful features of the TI-83 < 1300553849 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grahamkendall.net < picture < 1300553853 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click. the. picture. < 1300553900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1300553910 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's him < 1300553913 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has funny hair < 1300553913 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300553953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? i didn't notice he had a body < 1300553975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks kinda interesting < 1300553995 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300553997 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creep. < 1300553998 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300554025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? :D < 1300554030 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1300554038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1300554059 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1300554087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not doing this < 1300554088 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, oklopol is SUCH a troll ;;;-////////////////////////// < 1300554096 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :D < 1300554099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a trollll < 1300554105 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolololololo < 1300554111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'mnottroll < 1300554119 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolololopol < 1300554123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why u call me troll .( < 1300554124 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1300554133 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is right < 1300554150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Because you only have one eye. < 1300554152 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE A TROLL < 1300554160 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1300554163 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof! < 1300554227 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: btw, do you know anything about such a maths construct? it was first described by sierpinski, and i'm not sure if there's even an english word for it < 1300554256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean for proof? < 1300554264 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me describe it < 1300554334 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start with a finite set of complex numbers K_1 = {z_1, ..., z_n} and another finite set of natural numbers {k_1, ..., k_m}. If x \in K_i then x^k_m in K_{i+1} < 1300554346 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me bring up the wikipedia article < 1300554378 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierwiastnik < 1300554384 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the polish word for this is Pierwiastnik < 1300554395 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comes from the word Pierwiastek which means square root or surd. < 1300554414 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was supposedly important for Abel and Wenzel < 1300554419 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wantzel < 1300554473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really read polish all that well, what do you do with k_j other than k_m? < 1300554528 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, z is a "pierwiastnik" of the numbers {z_i}_i if you can take the numbers z_i, and you can reach z using the four basic operations and also exponents (x^k_i for some i) and surds, < 1300554550 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example THIS: http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/4/5/7451b3d4b1ad635a8e5ede3de8681773.png < 1300554566 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is *a* "pierwiastnik" of the numbers x, y, \pi < 1300554600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you need the k_i for then, if they are nats, you can just multiply x with itself < 1300554652 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes and no < 1300554659 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i explained it the wrong way around < 1300554659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly yes < 1300554725 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start out with say, K_0 = Q, and K_i = K_{i-1} (z_i) (this is the field extension by z_i) < 1300554751 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then (z_i)^{k_i} \in K_{i-1{ < 1300554754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? didn't you say it has the roots of z_i? < 1300554755 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then (z_i)^{k_i} \in K_{i-1} < 1300554764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300554765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300554767 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm translating directly from the wikipedia page < 1300554781 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now this is important because you have i-1 as the index on the right < 1300554794 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can see that you're taking nth roots < 1300554869 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, we have (z_i)^{k_i} \in K_{i-1} for i=1..n and z \in K_n < 1300554885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1300554890 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1300554895 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the wikipedia page says < 1300554902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K_0 = Q contains (z_1)^{k_1} for instance? < 1300554936 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300554939 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, once all this is set up so it works( we have to choose the z_i and k_i correctly), then we can say that z is the "pierwiastnik" of the numbers {z_i} of the grade k = max(k_i) < 1300554951 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, because you choose z_i this way < 1300554960 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like not ALL z's can be constructed like this < 1300554961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300554977 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1300554979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea is you're taking roots of things that already exist in the earliers < 1300554991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adding them to get a field extension < 1300555019 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea sorta < 1300555020 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300555030 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! < 1300555031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i think i have heard of this < 1300555033 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300555035 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you call this < 1300555080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i don't know :P but the constructable numbers, you get roughly the numbers you can construct by using only k_j = 2, this way, starting from Q^2 < 1300555085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300555088 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the right word for this could be "radical" < 1300555099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how's Q^2 even a field < 1300555105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more like < 1300555108 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since "pierwiastnik" is an alteration of the word "pierwiastek" which means radix. < 1300555126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can construct Q's pierwiastnik extensions with k_i = 2 this way, in some sense. < 1300555133 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, no, constructable numbers no < 1300555137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? okay < 1300555142 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not the same < 1300555151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say they were < 1300555162 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because for example you can in this "radical" thing start out with any set of numbers, not only Q < 1300555169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can < 1300555174 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example at the top you have an example where you start with x, y, \pi < 1300555192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said, the constructable numbers are gotten from Q by adding pierwiastnik extensions using k_i = 2 for all i < 1300555209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think you can construct all such numbers, and i don't know which ones you can < 1300555228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this could be wrong, i just vaguely recall an example from our algebra lecture notes < 1300555242 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is said that all solutions of polynomials up to the 4th degree can be expressed as a pierwiastnik over the field over which the polynomial is given < 1300555255 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting the 5th degree sometimes you can sometimes you can't < 1300555271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that 4th degree thing is true for all fields? < 1300555285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn some galois theory < 1300555308 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abel-ruffini < 1300555318 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twierdzenie Abela-Ruffiniego – głosi, że pierwiastki równania algebraicznego stopnia wyższego niż 4 nie dają się wyrazić w ogólnej postaci za pomocą czterech działań algebraicznych i pierwiastkowania poprzez współczynniki równania w skończonej liczbie kroków (czyli poprzez tak zwane pierwiastniki). < 1300555340 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abel%E2%80%93Ruffini_theorem < 1300555349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abel and ruffini were the two horribly complicated solutions to the polynomial prob? < 1300555362 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think wait < 1300555363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before galois actually gave a sensible answer < 1300555370 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the english version of this page < 1300555377 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In algebra, the Abel–Ruffini theorem (also known as Abel's impossibility theorem) states that there is no general algebraic solution—that is, solution in radicals— to polynomial equations of degree five or higher.[1] < 1300555378 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1300555395 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way they use it here, they use "radical" in the same way they use "pierwiastnik" in the polish version < 1300555404 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course "radical" in wikipedia just transfers you to nth root < 1300555408 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT! < 1300555421 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that goes in line with what i said earlier < 1300555422 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think the right word for this could be "radical" < 1300555429 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a god is born. < 1300555500 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now we need to hijack the wikipedo page for "radical" < 1300555505 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and translate the english version < 1300555508 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1300555516 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translate the *polish* version. < 1300555564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what radicals are < 1300555571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably forget the term soon again < 1300555728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in solving that problem, for some reason it helps to take fields F and their extensions G, and consider the group of isomorphisms of G that keep F invariant. then you can somehow reduce everything to group theory questions. < 1300555734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much all i remember < 1300556359 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300557065 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAS KITTY < 1300557262 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIȲÂ~ < 1300557332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that some crazy Happo-niece cat sound? < 1300557904 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, just a Japanese cat. < 1300558572 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-209.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300559039 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300559990 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300560036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300560161 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300560587 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300562101 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300562492 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300562508 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181142183.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300562820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I HAS KITTY < 1300562851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/231/ < 1300562964 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þou art, indeed, a kitty! < 1300562983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked today's < 1300563002 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it was actually MILDLY funny. < 1300563037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after reading the hovertext, it felt like he was trying to make a point tho, which made it less funny < 1300563076 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, blogs < 1300563135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a human < 1300563136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osijf < 1300563137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blog < 1300563155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Anvilicious < 1300563164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to write something else and screwed up but i guess it worked out fine anyway < 1300563178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly, then is hit by falling anvil
< 1300563289 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is a blog. < 1300563339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloblog < 1300563351 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300563363 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1300563402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not blog :( < 1300563489 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why not? < 1300563546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: i don't want to be a blog. < 1300563602 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to be? A Wiki? < 1300563616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but but it's such a nice word containing only an o vowel < 1300563628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklowiki would just be _wrong_ < 1300563657 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"frog" is also a nice word containing only an 'o' vowel. < 1300563665 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have no problem believing that oklopol is a frog. < 1300563669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. start jumping, oklofrog! < 1300563687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i have never even been to that country < 1300563695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1300563698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopoland < 1300563704 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parles vous ribbit ribbit? < 1300563712 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yay", obnoxiously long encodes. < 1300563724 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encoding an entire season of Trek is about two days of encoding. Bleck. < 1300563734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeau parles non la lingua ribulosa < 1300563804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What's this about Jews talking like frogs? RACIST < 1300563817 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is clog something provided by freenode? If so, how do I get clog to log a channel? < 1300563828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Naw, somebody at tunes.org runs it < 1300563838 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Making a better logging bot is easy though :P < 1300563912 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot that logs #corewars seems to have been down for a while. < 1300563921 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders where Elliott is.
< 1300563941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan was mean to him so he left forever < 1300563969 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own IRC server does logs on the server. If you want, I can give you codes to make your own logs on your server. < 1300563982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he transferred me from the white people box to the black people box < 1300564023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are quite the nigga < 1300564026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now being hypocritical again, and swats himself -----###
< 1300564080 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what section number does TeX prevent disabling all escape and active characters? < 1300564194 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300564340 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thanks. I wait to see if the current logger is fixed first. < 1300564373 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Forth interpreter in about 600 bytes. I was just wondering if I beat Elliott to it :-) < 1300564467 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I would like to see what you have. I think elliott was trying to write it in 510 bytes, 600 bytes is too long to fit in the MBR code. < 1300564542 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'll let you have a copy when it's debugged / optimized. It's minimal. I only implemented the words necessary to get the outer interpreter working. < 1300565766 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oerjan wasn't mean to elliott. < 1300565793 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, no one was < 1300565810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say he was < 1300565821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well strictly speaking, i did say that < 1300565846 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, *strictly* speaking, you typed that :D < 1300565866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "*strictly* typing" < 1300565894 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is #esoteric strictly-typed? < 1300565918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL TYPOS ARE BANNABLE OFFENSES < 1300565927 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo < 1300565932 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of typos < 1300565938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately it's not strictly _enforced_ < 1300565940 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avrfreak is in #electronics < 1300565953 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone ever speak with that guy? < 1300565971 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300565972 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's quite infamous for being a big anorak and being completely unable to type < 1300566012 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300566368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300566385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the haps my friends < 1300566499 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1300566529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides in the corner
< 1300566548 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is the haps? < 1300566564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i deny everything! < 1300566585 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :) < 1300566600 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time make your logo with METAFONT. < 1300566630 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can combine METAFONT with ImageMagick if you want colors and special effect as well. < 1300566787 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-77-61.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300567147 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300567147 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300567147 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300567258 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300567402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, dammit, that's MY corner! < 1300567447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shuffles to the next corner
< 1300567501 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own ALL the corners! < 1300567597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm an oppressive capitalist < 1300567601 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1300567620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses a hammer and sickle to make a new corner
< 1300567643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tears down the walls
< 1300567702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just manages to run out before the falling roof crushes Phantom_Hoover
< 1300567714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly oerjan. < 1300567725 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravity is NONEXISTENT in this abstract world! < 1300567742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE ARE NO ROOFS < 1300567743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300567746 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE ARE ONLY WALLS < 1300567761 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a floor? < 1300567768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT TOO < 1300567808 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a floor can be a ceiling/roof if you are under it. < 1300567821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION declares a socialist republic and nationalizes the corners
< 1300567844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, corners are nothing without walls. < 1300567858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TYPICAL CAPITALIST PROPAGANDA < 1300567868 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those pesky 360 degree wide corners. < 1300567868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're much less comfortable, for a start. < 1300567880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION declares free corners (without walls) for everyone
< 1300567882 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster, they're 3D corners, silly. < 1300567895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION steals the edges as well.
< 1300567977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION outlaws property, thereby clearly making theft impossible
< 1300568017 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION outlaws logic.
< 1300568044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comrade Phantom_Hoover, we now have perfect communism! < 1300568053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo. < 1300568055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1300568059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no logic was the obvious last step < 1300568069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CORNERS ARE CAPITALIST SPIES < 1300568082 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shoots all the corners and airbrushes them out of the photos.
< 1300568146 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you really should be worried about is that floor. < 1300568150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia IS CAPITALIST SCUMBAG < 1300568165 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICONMASTER INSULTS GLORIOUS SOCIALIST FLOOR < 1300568184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swatpans iconmaster TO GULAG --==\#/
< 1300568250 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is also a CEILING. It is two-faced! Wait, we outlawed logic... < 1300568267 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear for my life now. < 1300568301 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINE SALT < 1300568324 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should keep his nose out of this whole 'life' thing.
< 1300568325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINE IT < 1300568330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEE < 1300568349 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many IT's do you want to be mined? < 1300568369 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hur hur. < 1300568370 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT SALT DAMMIT < 1300568399 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION offers Phantom_Hoover his salt shaker.
< 1300568411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE SALT < 1300568412 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300568413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: do not fear. replace logic by glorious dialectic materialism! < 1300568445 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW I have some more salt *somewhere*... < 1300568446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the floor is clearly material, and has two faces, thus dialectic < 1300568487 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.17/20110121150729] < 1300568504 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181142183.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300568511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving a glorious synthetic plastic < 1300568514 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is wondering how communism and materialism can go together. Oh wait, no logic.
< 1300568522 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE PIKHQ IS GLORIOUS SOCIALIST RAILWAY ENGINEER < 1300568547 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*socialism < 1300568612 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster, in seriousness, socialism is materialist in the non-spiritualist sense. < 1300568613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT < 1300568618 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300568624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN IS NOT GLORIOUS SOCIALIST MATERIALIST < 1300568661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we have now got salt from filthy americans http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SALT < 1300568673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE FUNGOT, SEE TO HIS READJUSTMENT < 1300568717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your sentences are employing CAPITALISM, and therefore fungot is ignoring you < 1300568730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that and not being here, mind you < 1300568741 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KILLED COMRADE FUNGOT < 1300568779 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets popcorn.
< 1300568817 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want some popcorn? < 1300568829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POPCORN IS AMERICAN AND CAPITALIST < 1300568846 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, all these Socalist faux pas. < 1300568878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: rubbish, if you look in the backlog you will see that fungot was disappeared before the glorious revolution started < 1300568884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides airbrush
< 1300568930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives iconmaster some candy floss from cuban sugar
< 1300568969 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is totally photoshopped < 1300569003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: just a little to hide this tumor on my backhead < 1300569019 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300569022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally juchy < 1300569035 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300569058 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRAPPY CAPITALIST WIFI IS ATTEMPTING TO SABOTAGE GLORIOUS SOCIALIST REVOLUTION < 1300569136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Republic of Esoterica | Try out yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1300569210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry < 1300569231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | Try out yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1300569235 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :juchy? < 1300569260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1300569261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche < 1300569296 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am all too happy because this monad stuff is finally making sense < 1300569299 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this tutorial ownz < 1300569304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1300569351 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1300569352 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             | < 1300569352 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             |\ < 1300569368 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that didn't work, myndzi :p < 1300569382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOUS SOVIET yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | SOCIALIST HISTORY logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1300569383 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows it's because he's using xchat.
< 1300569391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked perfectly, you are just using decadent capitalist nick alignment < 1300569395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOUS SOVIET yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1300569515 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOUS SOVIET yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | NEW SOCIALIST TRADITIONS APPROVED BY THE PARTY: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1300569533 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a lot of "new traditions" in the 80s in the eastern block < 1300569547 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hilarious because .. traditions are by definition something old. < 1300569568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it hilarious even in the original russian? < 1300569599 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nova lyudova traditya or something < 1300569626 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300569630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300569635 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Новая традиция народной < 1300569669 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :новой, социалистической традиции < 1300569682 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this newspeak < 1300569751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE PIKHQ WHAT EVILS HAVE BEFALLEN YOU < 1300569774 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOUS SOVIET yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | NEW SOCIALIST TRADITIONS APPROVED BY THE PARTY: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page | OPTBOT DENOUNCED AS CAPIT < 1300569780 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn :D < 1300569788 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOUS SOVIET yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | NEW SOCIALIST TRADITIONS APPROVED BY THE PARTY: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1300569800 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot denounced as capitalist wolf. < 1300569814 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :エソテリッカ之英人民民主主義共和平和進歩国！ < 1300569850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i wish to point out that optbot is _not_ banned. < 1300569858 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1300569859 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300569872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case anyone was confused < 1300569880 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok sorry didn't mean to confuse anyone < 1300569883 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(esoteri'ka no ei < 1300569890 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: THE GLORIOUS SOCIALIAST RPOS V2.1 IS HERE! < 1300569907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISTEN NOT TO THE LIES OF THE CAPITALIST SPY ICONMASTER < 1300569932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't even spall socialist correctly! < 1300569934 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(esoteri'ka no ei sìnnminnminnsiȳûsiȳûkì kiȳôwa hêwa sinnhǫ koku!) < 1300569968 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300569974 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC OF COMRADE OERJAN'S CAPITALIST SYNCHRONICITY < 1300569990 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN DENOUNCED AS CAPITALIST WOLF < 1300569999 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica") < 1300570006 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : COMRADE PIKHQ WHAT EVILS HAVE BEFALLEN YOU < lol, i read that as "what elvis has befallen you" >_< < 1300570012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :synchronicity is dialectic, not capitalist < 1300570040 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are your neurodynes clear? < 1300570041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why am _i_ the capitalist, you are the ones who insist on using capitals < 1300570049 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think you should speak to AHS-7. < 1300570069 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that's a nice twist < 1300570076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i do not recognize the decadent capitalist references you mention < 1300570079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO INVENTED LOWER CASE? < 1300570084 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess oerjan is the.. whatdoyoucallit < 1300570100 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the opposite of capital letter? < 1300570115 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CEASE THIS DECADENT USAGE OF NEW INVENTED LOWER CASE CHARACTERS < 1300570118 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a special word for that that's never used < 1300570122 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY ARE NOT OF THE TRADITION < 1300570130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES COMRADE OLSNER < 1300570142 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN IS A MINISCULIST < 1300570303 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWER-CASE CHARACTERS ARE A REMNANT OF FEUDALIST EUROPE < 1300570322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE PIKHQ SPEAKS GLORIOUS SOCIALIST TRUTH < 1300570323 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPITALS ARE THE CREATION OF A GRAND REPUBLIC < 1300570339 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPITALS: FOR SOCIALISM! < 1300570369 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU, COMRADE PHANTOM_HOOVER. < 1300570388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO NEED FOR THANKS COMRADE PIKHQ < 1300570390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOV HAVE CONVINCED ME < 1300570429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NOTE ABSENCE OF CAPITALIST "U") < 1300570448 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME, COMRADE ØRJAN, TO THE GLORIOVS PEOPLE'S SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC EGALITARIAN PROGRESSIVE REPVBLIC OF ESOTERICA. < 1300570546 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ЩЕ УСЕ ГЛОРИОУС СОЦИАЛИСТ ЦЙРИЛЛИЦ < 1300570550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOV < 1300570561 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300570629 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE, THOSE GLYPHS ORIGINATE FROM A CZAR, TRULY THE LEAST SOCIALIST SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT. < 1300570656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: *TRVLY < 1300570657 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIR ENOVGH < 1300570670 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND NOT FROM THE ROMAN REPVBLIC, A CLEAR PREDECESSOR TO OVR MOST GLORIOUS PEOPLE'S SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC EGALITARIAN PROGRESSIVE REPVBLIC. < 1300570681 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S/GLORIOUS/GLORIOVS/ < 1300570688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES OK YOV HAVE MADE YOVR POINT < 1300570837 0 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300570886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A GLORIVS LOG BOT? < 1300570892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GLORIOVS < 1300570901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED < 1300570917 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOKS TO BE GREGOR'S GLORIOVS LOG BOT FOR THE REPVBLIC < 1300570927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*COMRADE GREGOR < 1300570931 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making one that actually keeps rawlogs around :P < 1300570935 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300570941 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE GREGOR IS INDEED DOING A GREAT WORK < 1300570958 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, for the moment all you get is < 1300570958 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1300570959 0 :glogbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot is currently under development, logs will be available in one metric soon. < 1300570970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE GREGOR, RENAME GLOGBOT TO COMRADE GLOGBOT IN HONOVR OF GLORIOVS SOCIALIST CHANNEL < 1300571020 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not quite as capitalist as you. I type only some capitalist letters, and mostly typing lowercaseist letter, and also punctuation. But I do not type communist and socialist letters because I am not Soviet Russian. < 1300571035 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I've modified multibot to not get D/C'd so much. < 1300571041 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300571043 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300571045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RENAME TO GLOGBOT < 1300571055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO STOP USING DECADENT CAPITALIST LOWER CASE < 1300571063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND 'U' < 1300571074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*COMRADE GLOGBOT < 1300571106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DECADENT CAPITALIST FREENODE MAY NOT SVPPORT SPACES IN NICKS < 1300571127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE NEXT MOST GLORIVS SOCIALIST VNDERSCORE < 1300571132 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sometimes I use capitalist "U"! Because I am typing English, not Socialist. < 1300571191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IT'S OK YOV CAN BE DECADENT CAPITALIST CANADIAN AMBASSADOR TO ESOTERICA < 1300571238 0 :glogbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300571247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was an intentional kill btw :P ) < 1300571261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH GLORIOVS LOG BOT HAS BEEN ASSASSINATED < 1300571344 0 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300571351 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I fixed TeX chess program making the default size of tiles 16pt, allowing number of ranks/files changed, allow adding a caption above or below the board, and many more... < 1300571361 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAS MURDER BY COMRADE GREGOR < 1300571372 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_join #esoteric-minecraft < 1300571373 0 :glogbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joined #esoteric-minecraft < 1300571400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE GLOGBOT FELL OVT OF FAVOVR WITH GLORIOVS SOCIALIST CHANNEL < 1300571446 0 :glogbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300571449 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues tinkering ...
< 1300571488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE GREGOR IF COMRADE_GLOGBOT DOES NOT JOIN GLORIOVS SOCIALIST CHANNEL THEN STEPS WILL BE TAKEN < 1300571497 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERHAPS YOU WILL JOIN COMRADE ICONMASTER IN GULAG < 1300571528 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe it would make sense to make those commands as private messages? Such as "PRIVMSG glogbot :JOIN #esoteric-minecraft" and then another command to set the notice list. And it send NOTICE to all channel and user when there is notification change? At least to me is logical this way. Maybe not you. < 1300571530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More likely though, you will join many other comrades in "too damned annoying to exist land" < 1300571566 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It just always responds on the channel you request on *shrugs* < 1300571589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I could send the same command as a PM and it would only PM me back. < 1300571710 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a Unix command to run something in the background and echo its pid? < 1300571743 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know the shell command you can put & at the end, but I do not know if there is an actual command for that. Maybe there is. < 1300571768 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would prefer not to have it in the shell's jobs. < 1300571786 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like, it respond to the sender whether or not the command is success. And only if it is successful, send NOTICE to everyone in its internal NOTICE list. Sending SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE subscribe the user privately, and with a channel name as parameter, to add/remove that channel from its internal NOTICE list. Mostly only the head channel would then be added because these notices are not important to other channels. < 1300571809 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't know, sorry. < 1300571839 0 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300571873 0 :glogbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300571928 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For things such as EgoBot and HackEgo it makes sense the way it currently works, but glogbot is making logs so it would make sense the other way instead. < 1300571931 0 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300571960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, glogbot should be here semipermanently now. < 1300572002 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also mode should be set -i so that you can check the status. < 1300572102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does -i mean?' < 1300572150 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means turn off invisible mode. < 1300572168 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know exactly what it does though. < 1300572205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/radiation/ < 1300572206 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The help just says "Designates this client 'invisible'" but it does not prevent you from accessing that user?) < 1300572218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPITALIST XKCD HAS ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING VSEFVL < 1300572287 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says "cannot be seen without a common channel or knowing the exact name". < 1300572347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it is probably useful to know the logging is there even without a common channel. < 1300572365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ACTVALLY < 1300572427 0 :glogbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300572435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE GLOGBOT!! < 1300572435 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I was totes lying about stability :P < 1300572635 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the problems with irc:// URI scheme is in fact explained on Wikipedia. My scheme does not have any of those problems. < 1300572741 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does IPv4 have any "invalid addresses" blocks? < 1300572763 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that are designated as such) < 1300572900 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300573131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anything's been reserved as "invalid" exactly, but there are for example three blocks that have been reserved for documentation and examples. < 1300573475 0 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300579541 174000 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: And now you're gone :P < 1300579565 955067 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anybody wants a logbot, glogbot is pretty stable now. < 1300579868 811976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs > 1300579868 826206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1300579875 824302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOUS SOVIET yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D | NEW SOCIALIST TRADITIONS APPR < 1300579881 496440 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :glögbot, on the other hand, just keeps on drinking. < 1300579884 286991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOUS SOVIET yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1300579893 576614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is that yours? should be called flogbot < 1300579917 511789 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :glöggbot <3 < 1300579919 176340 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name does not start with an 'f' :P < 1300579925 719229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1300579929 736508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300579998 589652 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs more g's. < 1300580013 286386 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the maximum nick length on Freenode? < 1300580034 785250 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :experiment < 1300580037 827164 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shall remain glogbot :P < 1300580044 62636 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 chars or so, IIRC. < 1300580046 779522 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggglogbot? < 1300580059 766263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :giggityglogbot? < 1300580062 532207 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gluebot. < 1300580076 867776 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: 17. < 1300580090 911489 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :entgegengegangen, my favourite german word. < 1300580097 555124 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 16. < 1300580150 356697 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a multiple of 4 anyway, because when I changed fungot to antiantianti... for testing, it got cut off between the 'anti's. < 1300580179 78804 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 indeed, it seems. < 1300580186 802556 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most bacon consumed in the United Kingdom is back bacon." The UK is full of HEATHENS and SINNERS AGAINST BACON < 1300580245 235935 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1300580309 672210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "entgegengegangen" means? < 1300580335 481036 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread that as "black bacon", thought it was some sort of term for completely burned bacon, was all "huh, that's a weird preference". < 1300580335 688492 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ent gegen gegangs < 1300580344 709862 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's even googleable < 1300580364 427269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gone to meet", apparently < 1300580378 625704 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300580397 547807 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; past tense of entgegen/gehen, one of their silly two-part verbs. < 1300580486 351478 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the context it was introduced to me was a person gone to meet someone else at the train station. "gehen" is "to go", while "entgegen" is generally "against". < 1300580620 99636 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-122.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300580718 910526 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish idiom "mennä vastaan" (lit "to go against ") for sort-of going to "receive"/meet someone (who's e.g. coming to a visit) might well be from that. < 1300580768 316209 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300582134 217233 :cheater99!~cheater@g229030005.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300582361 471510 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my log converter in C for some lunatic reason. Easily the worst C program I've written in my entire life. < 1300582370 195663 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need no log bot I have server logs. Server logs works better. < 1300582376 675376 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then write a better C program. < 1300582398 189947 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ... you have server logs ... of FreeNode? < 1300582407 513741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only of my own server. < 1300582410 723187 :cheater99!~cheater@g229030005.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300582421 407980 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then there's that :P < 1300582424 265346 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not need server logs of FreeNode, I can use the clog for this channel. < 1300582439 320596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And glogbot can also be used for this channel, as well as the other logs. < 1300582464 760334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other channels that are logged have their own logs. < 1300582541 390638 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Don't you know that string processing is the single worst thing to do in C? < 1300582543 201846 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think server logs works better in general. < 1300582555 179633 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: strtok, bitch! < 1300582566 271604 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd sooner 切腹. < 1300582576 152864 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can do string processing in C. C works for many things that are not specific to only one computer. < 1300582593 213892 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, but it's so insanely tedious to do string processing in C. < 1300582606 210111 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not far above Brainfuck on that front. < 1300582627 531677 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much the only advantage you get there is *more than one pointer*. < 1300582670 89124 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, I don't think you can do the equivalent of tail -f with C stdio only. < 1300582728 435173 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, I can do string processing fine in C. You just have to know what it is that you need, and then just make it. < 1300582733 309773 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (1) { fopen fseek fread fclose } < 1300582759 412546 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It is *possible*, yes. < 1300582771 733635 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's just about on par with doing it in Brainfuck. < 1300582822 807160 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh yeah, I guess I could work it out with fopen/fseek/fclose ... didn't work with just opening it once throughout. < 1300582848 889122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, in C you can use macros and more than one pointer, and memory allocation, and stuff like that. < 1300582903 708082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Still insanely tedious compared to doing it in, oh, *nearly any other high-level language*. < 1300583094 938470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Probably, but I am capable to do some insane things, and it is not too difficult if you know what you are trying to make, therefore it is OK. But it is OK to use other program language, too. < 1300583157 206101 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, now arguing sanity in #esoteric. has he lost his marbles? < 1300583186 212067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing for sanity is a clear sign of not having any < 1300583205 930799 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, it is possible to have both sanity and insanity. < 1300583219 827383 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes. < 1300583426 875004 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there program to convert PCL printing file to other format in case your printer does not use PCL? < 1300583674 964512 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1300585053 644167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585065 238347 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585065 368722 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585407 965188 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-4.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300585419 787091 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-213.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585441 436172 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes the fool things stay connected.
< 1300585523 256293 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585523 794977 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1300585524 44739 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300585682 252466 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300587003 272492 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300588121 840045 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1300588207 24701 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300588259 257402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-163.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300588440 738857 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-213.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300589288 917620 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, checking user modes is a friggin' pain. < 1300589691 80531 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300589712 971322 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300589738 354124 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300589764 246171 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300589918 986505 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-163.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300589925 924005 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-238.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300590375 323134 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Quit: Later < 1300590739 822791 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300590906 808251 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wanted to make a public logger bot, how would you make it verify that a request to join a channel is legit? < 1300590923 842395 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I can't determine who the ops on a channel are without joining it ... < 1300591083 996050 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, /whois does < 1300591466 858627 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-238.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300591471 467410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300591944 922027 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, only if they are on the same channel IIRC (or they don't have the secret options set) < 1300591959 384984 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *could* query chanserv access - but that wouldn't be complete > 1300591974 581349 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300591986 769364 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300592031 423237 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be whoisable, is secret even default? < 1300592039 696246 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not default then who cares, they'll just have to not be so sneaky to use it :P < 1300592070 675340 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, loghandler is running hot ... how odd. < 1300592079 352333 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s isn't default < 1300592083 809309 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+p is a candidate too < 1300592091 573561 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+p hides from whois, shows on list) < 1300592101 453387 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second, +s IS default, this is freenode < 1300592103 820667 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they do that anyway < 1300592126 124620 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If +s is default, then why am I not +s? < 1300592131 378207 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s is a channel mode < 1300592137 367795 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i is invisible < 1300592145 142137 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1300592146 259753 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hides you from /who and /names < 1300592156 537644 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i hides a user from channel listings < 1300592160 296045 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s hides a channel from user listings < 1300592160 650523 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1300592166 130805 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is +s only default for chanserv-controlled channels? < 1300592167 604187 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "information" not "listings" < 1300592170 290865 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1300592174 404237 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i joined a random string of letters < 1300592180 749388 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was set +s < 1300592187 157335 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1300592190 724457 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ns, what a weird default < 1300592206 36639 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess there could be reasons for it < 1300592219 545044 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once found a bunch of oper channels by getting on a server that crashed right after it came up < 1300592221 665774 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whoising opers < 1300592228 575730 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the server resynched < 1300592228 944179 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300592248 559 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they autoreconnceted to the server and joined the channels, but the channels weren't +s because they weren't with chanserv yet! < 1300592253 265550 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm foobar. < 1300592271 410045 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to make requests legit in this case >_> < 1300592290 714995 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join the channel < 1300592296 528492 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not legit, ignore the user < 1300592303 812676 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1300592323 972479 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1300592343 663942 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can at least verify that the channel exists before joining it < 1300592346 144165 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I require them to be an op anyway, I could just say they have to temporarily set it to -s ... or is that a huge pain due to ChanServ rumblings. < 1300592347 810419 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps has > X users < 1300592358 385298 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems like on freenode nobody bothers to op up < 1300592365 348651 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so requiring ops would be a bit of a pain < 1300592372 571041 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is just a one-time thing to prevent fraud. < 1300592378 479139 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one possibility would be to join and announce something the first time you join the chanenl < 1300592380 825029 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel < 1300592383 459816 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want logging, you op yourself then request the bot, then you never have to again. < 1300592388 286267 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "ops may ban me from this channel with this command" < 1300592389 568098 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1300592407 195047 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [Gregor] #esoteric < 1300592410 816818 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ops can request that glogbot leave a channel at any time, but there shouldn't need to be ops around to prevent it from improperly logging a channel. < 1300592419 239923 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ... fascinating. < 1300592432 160067 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough < 1300592444 610637 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of "don't log at first" or something < 1300592445 739147 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1300592451 931054 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you look at it it's a bit of an annoyance < 1300592454 132779 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, my point is that if you are on any other channels - I can't see them < 1300592468 421693 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Ah, yeah, >_> < 1300592471 246123 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on, like, dozens :P < 1300592475 913377 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does freenode even use chanserv? i messaged chanserv 'help' but no response < 1300592480 794160 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1300592484 337905 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went into another channel window wut < 1300592493 236850 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, yes it does < 1300592545 529257 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, :- < 1300592546 668952 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1300592556 92993 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad you can't use WHY without access < 1300592574 597740 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my lag is ~ 10s now :-( ) < 1300592576 591826 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, i guess it comes down to you basically just have to either make them jump through hoops or risk being irritating < 1300592602 327661 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, I set ##glogbot23 (a temp testing channel) to -s and it still can't see it in /whois ... < 1300592612 998113 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, tasting a channel should be fine: you get asked to join, join channel, check if person is ops) < 1300592613 165815 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :if courses there is a race condition there < 1300592636 986438 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, are you +i ? < 1300592644 390070 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Nope < 1300592644 849731 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't matter < 1300592650 845919 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i doesn't hide your channels < 1300592654 291984 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can somebody else /whois me? < 1300592657 207815 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hides you from user searches < 1300592660 125148 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i only see #esoteric < 1300592665 53872 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq < 1300592666 168384 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently freenode is Privacy Happy < 1300592669 568733 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [Gregor] #esoteric < 1300592704 227811 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, this is so obnoxious. < 1300592728 21354 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300592734 527294 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :runescript joins to check the names list then parts < 1300592742 647486 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know they'd have figured out a better way if it was feasible < 1300592746 674452 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is called 'tasting' myndzi ) < 1300592747 89040 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, you're pretty much stuck doing that < 1300592765 100517 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so lame ... should I make the bot apologize if it's requested improperly? < 1300592788 471146 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no. j/p spam usually don't matter < 1300592791 522557 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could use the part message < 1300592799 777999 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't matter < 1300592802 317674 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely ignore the obnoxious user < 1300592805 243865 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least temporarily < 1300592820 925913 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, as well as limiting channel joins to 1/3 min or so < 1300592827 41677 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: I don't want to ignore, it's possible that they just forgot to op or something. < 1300592846 457860 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ignore on two offenses then ;p < 1300592856 74685 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, idea: < 1300592859 623848 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just keep it as-is: Only people who are considered ops to glogbot itself are allowed to !glogbot_join, but others may !glogbot_part if they're ops on the channel in question. < 1300592860 531080 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it depend on /invite < 1300592865 485365 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOH < 1300592882 821213 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought he was already making use of /invite < 1300592894 871959 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never /invite, forgot you had to be op < 1300592897 611799 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was conditional < 1300592903 319215 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, by default you must be op < 1300592906 945373 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if channel is +i only ops can invite or something < 1300592917 100652 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a channel flag for everyone invite < 1300592921 176472 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1300592929 599175 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode specific probably then < 1300592938 447809 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, possibly < 1300592951 114694 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, another option is to *join* but not *log* < 1300592959 377767 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on fn /invite works < 1300592966 504320 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm loving the /invite idea. < 1300593594 836091 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300593826 255588 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, /invite = good times. < 1300594111 337382 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, if anybody wants their channel logged, /invite glogbot. < 1300594168 5932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot? < 1300594179 205108 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fancy new logger bot I made because I wanted logs in a raw format. < 1300594184 282109 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it can help that immediately after invited, sends a NOTICE to the channel with the URL of the logs for that channel? < 1300594206 514363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That is good, now we have 2 formats on glogbot and 1 format on clog. < 1300594213 246124 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You're right, it should. < 1300594227 976261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be a Freenode service < 1300594243 202401 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Or perhaps a subcommand of CS < 1300594248 253239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, logs in topic can be.. well, can't know if theere are other logbots, but < 1300594263 959038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semi-enforced < 1300594288 832600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, CS LOGS to configure logs for a channel and view status information about logs for a channel. < 1300594363 68552 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me, it makes sense, that if it were a Freenode service, make it a subcommand of the CS command. Now anyone can check if there is logs by typing something such as CS LOGS STATUS #freenode < 1300594383 714440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or CS LOGS #freenode STATUS < 1300594426 650386 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300594538 244225 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if they do that, subcommands of CS LOGS might be: STATUS START STOP NEW TIMEZONE MESSAGE AUXLINK ANNOTATE < 1300595444 945395 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor, another option is to *join* but not *log* // btw I don't really have the ability to use this option, as my logs include literally every byte into and out of the bot excluding the nickserv identification request. < 1300595480 461523 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even privmsgs are all publicly logged. < 1300595490 841277 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah, I see < 1300595502 65433 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :/invite works on Freenode then < 1300595511 798535 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :on other networks I duno < 1300595518 577258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVITE is a standard IRC command. < 1300595521 97929 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a one-network logger bot :P < 1300595530 730275 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The problem with other networks is that I'm using /invite to imply +o < 1300595538 32340 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's only true (by default) on Freenode. < 1300595542 679096 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes - but I don't know if it could be guaranteed to be limited to opers < 1300595554 676980 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm - what Gregor said :-p < 1300595594 98287 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, glogbot is for Freenode only anyways; if it is made for other networks as well then more features to edit those configuration can be added to it. < 1300595630 847202 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1300595739 195653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my own server it is not problem for a few reasons, one of which is that it uses server side logging. Also the policy is different, and only channels with topic messages are logged anyways, so there is no such problem. If other IRC networks could also do server side logging then it is not much of the problem anymore. Such as adding a CS LOGS command, for networks that use the CS command. < 1300595789 501769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Freenode, if you use the command HELP INVITE it tells you a few things about the INVITE command in IRC. < 1300595966 8430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither HELP INVITE nor HELP CMODE tells anything about only operators use INVITE command. < 1300596027 848590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another possibility is to have it log channels with the property USEGLOGBOT set. < 1300596115 797238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even with networks with CS, they do not all support CS SET PROPERTY though. < 1300596243 993378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300596252 341398 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-169.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300596676 906273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should not start humming My Heart Will Go On when I see some trigonometry < 1300596698 867434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you? < 1300596723 369914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in this one case < 1300596782 305882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1300596802 980291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's a very complicated way of doing it, so there's an easier way" as though difficulty just makes easier ways appear out of magic < 1300596825 618869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because "near [cos], far [sin], wherever you are"... < 1300597400 352771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300597486 600581 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1300597870 457588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's move to space! < 1300597909 979106 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300597968 41627 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300602962 687279 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300602976 166614 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300603951 858109 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :hipsterpumpkin < 1300604381 417582 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300604390 119978 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1300604395 235941 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-210-169.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300604830 123642 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AM I STILL AWAKE? < 1300604934 279479 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT STILL SLEEPING! < 1300604939 197041 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300604963 62284 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300604976 147000 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is getting a kick out of the myth of Osiris and Isis...
< 1300605014 692126 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osiris died and rose again. Through him all can have eternal life. < 1300605030 936360 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was a common ritual to consume his flesh, in the form of unleavened bread. < 1300606293 578115 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300606684 498217 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, there's still native speakers of one of the languages on the Rosetta Stone. < 1300606975 138640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Greek. < 1300607005 350902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having the oldest writings that can, in a genuinely meanigful sense, be said to be in a modern language. < 1300607261 601207 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: no. < 1300607267 42785 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is incorrect. < 1300607288 58826 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient greek and modern greek are not mutually intelligible. < 1300607312 952273 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they actually had a large degree of mutual intelligibility? < 1300607315 839521 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1300607482 506661 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then I guess the claim for "oldest writings that can, in a genuinely meaningful sense, be said to be in a modern language" would almost have to go for Classical Chinese. Except the damned bastards in China had to kill that off last century. :P < 1300607504 523508 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also classical chinese is quite distinct from mandarin. < 1300607511 376181 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm well aware. < 1300607517 259546 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even last century noone spoke classical chinese natively < 1300607543 728106 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of Classical Chinese was more akin to the use of Latin than anything else, except it took longer to stop. < 1300607555 378092 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300607560 7476 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesnt make it a modern language. < 1300607614 631996 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it served as essentially the *only* form of writing. < 1300607629 813301 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1300607642 646424 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, "modern" in the sense that people actually used it, not modern in the sense that it was a fucking zombie language. < 1300607647 854367 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300607654 223458 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people" didnt actually use it < 1300607673 238142 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the written language, sure < 1300607673 375771 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you forget < 1300607686 560776 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most chinese people were completely illiterate, and the only people who could write did so for rather officious reasons < 1300607712 198171 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dur, Chinese literacy only really came about after the switch to "vernacular" Chinese. < 1300607720 632814 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1300607745 93017 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though, Written Chinese is only an accurate encoding of the vernacular for a *subset* of speakers of Chinese languages... But I digress.) < 1300607767 735036 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern written mandarin is indeed only accurate for mandarin speakers < 1300607779 853003 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats like saying modern written dutch is only accurate for dutch speakers < 1300607781 505308 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1300607786 550196 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :germans write in written german < 1300607792 956420 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cantonese speakers write in written cantonese < 1300607804 874163 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And every other speaker of a Chinese language is boned. < 1300607812 298130 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300607833 679557 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the Chinese languages are not commonly written. < 1300607860 80088 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but most chinese speakers write their native chinese language. < 1300607890 16299 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the top half dozen or so chinese languages are commonly written < 1300608103 843563 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should stick to talking about languages I actually know. :P < 1300608115 875442 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300608167 833472 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly this means I need to become immortal, and thereby have time to learn all languages. :P < 1300608177 412421 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wont help < 1300608185 254204 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a time machine. < 1300608191 997912 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically < 1300608194 640238 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were a time lord < 1300608200 658543 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300608319 313053 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were a timelord you'd already know every language in the universe < 1300608322 43132 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1300608343 865497 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if I were actually a timelord. < 1300608364 551134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I merely had some of the properties of a timelord, I'd have to work at it. But what's a few millenia out of eternity, anyways? < 1300608574 709256 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300610690 45411 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-30.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300610700 617435 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-161-130.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300611189 559833 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mind you, time lords only get 13 lives < 1300612512 921154 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-209.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300612811 2539 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1300612833 602032 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300612867 598158 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300612958 236013 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300613426 28457 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300613853 353817 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300613922 18821 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300614519 779938 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-209.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300614859 713062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300614863 862271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1300614864 31897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300615780 417989 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300615787 60526 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1300621470 765477 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-30.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300621502 188602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300623852 115579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMRADE PIKHQ WHY IS GLORIOVS CHANNEL TOPIC CONTAINING CAPITALIST LOWER CASE < 1300624173 946426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300624835 589974 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300625023 581982 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300625463 603677 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300625697 412584 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300625703 594029 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300626519 922138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric > 1300627378 173788 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300627389 610810 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300629264 15933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[A falling cat's terminal velocity is 100 km/h]] — WP < 1300629269 808917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... how did they... < 1300629331 415118 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe with the vertical wind tunnel + net thing. < 1300629362 882697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST MENTAL IMAGE EVER < 1300629381 953384 :hipsterpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300629385 81831 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe with MATH. < 1300629388 8040 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lunatics. < 1300629408 65801 :hipsterpumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300629409 848894 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Maybe with the vertical wind tunnel + net thing." <<< luckiest cat in the world < 1300629437 554416 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no citation for that number. :/ < 1300629455 590894 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyone can check it < 1300629457 375930 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed] < 1300629472 80423 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a cat and an earth < 1300629472 731359 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But that would be ORIGINAL RESEARCH, a big no-no. < 1300629478 408487 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300629479 932206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1300629495 235611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now eternally depressed that that experiment has already been done. < 1300629541 522925 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't they like original research? it makes sense but i'm not sure why < 1300629555 371791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me that i really really want to play mc right now < 1300629659 463502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pixels are too big on my screen < 1300629728 79954 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play MC with the 960x1200 window instead of fullscreen partially because the vertically oriented window doesn't make it scale the UI parts so hueg. < 1300629769 388921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry the mc and the pixel comment didn't have anything to do with each other < 1300629778 507434 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, still! < 1300629782 209297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, #esoteric-minecraft < 1300629842 753028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually *going* to play, i have to prove theorems and prepare a lecture and watch a season of house < 1300629860 90885 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that order? < 1300629869 837191 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, umm < 1300629889 370123 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably in the order 1. watch a season of house 2. oh fuck it's late i'll wake up at 3am to do the rest < 1300629928 13605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a man can drem < 1300629929 344858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dream < 1300629939 442937 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dremel < 1300629957 699449 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, oklopol can drem. < 1300630038 512644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best word seen on WP: "destinated". < 1300630633 36589 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are in fact 42 instances of "destinated" *bran axplote* < 1300630635 580101 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300630637 667611 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain too* < 1300630655 285874 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many instances of "axplote"? < 1300630665 805902 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero, thankfully :P < 1300630688 571213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the material i'm doing had this pretty hilarious theorem, "for small enough value of a there exist d = d(a) and a constant B_a such that m_B(B_d^n(y)) <= B_a*e^(-nh) for all y \in X, n >= 1" where m_B is a measure, and B_d^n(y) is a kind of ball around y; and then they build, given a value of a, d and B_a with a straight face :D < 1300630701 514035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you had to be there. < 1300630706 407993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't stop laughing < 1300630777 420560 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d and B_a depend on a, and they don't even explicitly mention what "small enough" means, even though that is all that matters since m_B(B_d^n(y)) <= B_a*e^(-nh) doesn't even use "a" anywhere < 1300630996 54803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually for fun, let me define B_d^n(x), it is the set {y \in X | \forall 0 <= i < n: dist(x, y) < d}, where X is a compact metric space and T is an homeomorphism of the space to itself (the dynamics, which we assume reversible here) < 1300630998 532701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300631024 184972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :B_d^n(x) = {y \in X | \forall 0 <= i < n: dist(x, T^i(y)) < d} of course < 1300631052 505053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay last attempt: B_d^n(x) = {y \in X | \forall 0 <= i < n: dist(T^i(x), T^i(y)) < d} < 1300631062 313585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it should make sense < 1300631352 347173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people never join the definition frenzy with their own definitions, and it's no fun alone < 1300631355 413527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300631398 21667 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-239.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300631404 291915 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-77.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300631427 17316 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let (X, T) be as previously, we say T is expansive if there exists a constant d such that for all x, y \in X, exists n such that dist(T^n(x), T^n(y)) > d < 1300631509 612889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all x!=y of course < 1300631981 94757 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems if there are no isolated points then necessarily the n don't have a uniform bound: given d, we take an arbitrary x. by continuity of T, there exists d_1 such that dist(T'(x), y) < d_1 implies dist(x, T(y)) < d, where T' is the inverse of T. similarly, we find d_i for all i, so that if dist(T'^i(x), y) < d_i, then dist(x, T^i(y)) < d. if there are no isolated points, we can then always choose some such y < 1300631998 230397 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x isolated point = {x} is an open set < 1300632009 617228 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, there exists an open ball that is a singleton set < 1300632021 384041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that contains x) < 1300632120 444067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my first instinct was that there must be a uniform bound, by what compactness usually gives you. but it's actually a rather retarded thing to think now that i think about it. < 1300632308 99653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINITION FRENZY < 1300632464 277632 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :frenzy (n): See orgy < 1300632483 850211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i was just thinking about math orgies today < 1300632495 76249 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best (worst?) kind of orgies. < 1300632558 198154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo has some good definitions i'm sure < 1300632570 57058 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: would you like to engage in exchange of mental fluids < 1300632594 389393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to pretend I'm AFK < 1300632598 930408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300632621 677511 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a completely other matter, what have you learned on the courses? < 1300632688 24027 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever manage to prove that (x + y)/2 + 0/2 = x/2 + y/2 < 1300632701 845418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gave up last time < 1300632766 742973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha? < 1300632781 428623 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intersection of diagonals problem < 1300632794 815365 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give you a hint: you need two axioms, one is not enough < 1300632855 337089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadistic bitches, there are like 10 axioms so level 2 requires like 100 attempts < 1300632927 542113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait then there's the axioms (ab)*v = a*(b*v) where a, b in the field, v a vector. when the scalars are R, that might take some time < 1300632932 659827 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*axiom < 1300632960 499463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can apply that... what's 4 times uncountable? < 1300632964 496440 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that many times < 1300633000 639880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's divisible by two, so maybe you could prove the claim for p*uncountable where p is a prime first, and then show the the numbers that satisfy it are closed under multiplication < 1300633032 278554 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i hope i don't have to clarify that this makes absolutely no sense) < 1300633054 527094 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm and i meant 4 is composite < 1300633592 579400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so wait, have you given up on the category theory? < 1300633632 185141 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo category theory :o < 1300633642 494377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: teach me some category theory < 1300633687 252551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it's, like, lines. < 1300633696 710215 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay so far so good what then < 1300633704 957601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, oerjan mentioned he was a line researcher once... < 1300633709 407952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you have many lines, like, over 67 < 1300633715 988489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could ask him for insights on the matter. < 1300633722 600390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :67 is far beyond my ken. < 1300633727 624100 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1300633732 231233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can barely go above 5. < 1300633742 88902 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is actually pretty big < 1300633788 827085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, took me years to get that high. < 1300633888 281557 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: u got any fun definitions < 1300633890 750070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if I could learn all of math all at once, I would < 1300633906 696615 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There happens to be more convenient learning material for multivariable calculus < 1300633912 341684 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too especially all of it < 1300633920 36653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, multivariable calculus is the boring. < 1300633921 793656 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in particular, everything < 1300633930 732993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculus is pretty meh yeah < 1300634118 123386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :semigroups are the more fun < 1300634184 950190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Semigroup" is such a stupid name. < 1300634198 412248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a third of a group, not half! < 1300634208 171816 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes and pi should be 2pi, stop repeating your crazy arguments < 1300634267 263877 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot now sends you a notice if you set the /topic to something that doesn't contain the logging URL. I estimate time until somebody bitches about that to be roughly two days. Excluding the response immediately to this message. < 1300634305 349032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOVS MARXIST yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | DIELECTRIC SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: REMOVED FOR SOCIALIST SCIENCE < 1300634308 708751 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i dislike you because you implemented that penis of a feature < 1300634328 50257 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl, apparently it always notices me X-D < 1300634329 997762 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixfix* < 1300634342 358825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOVS MARXIST yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | DIELECTRIC SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: REMOVED FOR MORE SOCIALIST SCIENCE < 1300634342 538107 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, NOW it notices the offender :P < 1300634362 361527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :The Glorious People's Socialist Democratic Egalitarian Progressive Republic of Esoterica | DECADENT CAPITALIST NEOPAGANS NEED NOT APPLY | Try out GLORIOVS MARXIST yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | DIELECTRIC SOCIALIST HISTORY: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | JOURNAL OF COMRADE GLOGBOT: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1300634374 247546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode policy since when? < 1300634382 50269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ever < 1300634392 60451 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the beginning of time. < 1300634407 215339 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just a suggestion. And/or to mention the logging in the welcome message, not the topic. < 1300634421 697269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does mister newbie know < 1300634429 930222 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been here for years < 1300634439 349258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wonder even read part of the welcome message of this channel < 1300634447 89412 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300634448 442391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*once < 1300634452 16598 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact." < 1300634457 918064 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess at least now it says like that. < 1300634469 20338 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a "should". < 1300634472 98348 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somewhat unclear whether it's a strict policy or just a strong suggestion. < 1300634483 945533 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But either way it's a glogbot policy to consider it a Freenode policy :P < 1300634496 115927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's #esoteric policy tho < 1300634498 246538 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging --" < 1300634518 826165 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's trickier with a raw logging bot :P < 1300634549 448784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeey i want to be able to make comments without logging < 1300634566 828905 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggested mechanism? < 1300634572 918076 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make it not log channel notices. < 1300634577 39670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i won't have to censor my speech all the time < 1300634595 351462 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I do it like this? < 1300634597 627169 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org NOTICE #esoteric :I wonder if clog logs notices ... < 1300634607 453256 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it does < 1300634612 952124 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, I'm not gonna parse pseudoHTML :P < 1300634639 880907 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, it does. < 1300634657 982693 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could make glogbot not (publicly) log notices anyway, but it'd be pretty pointless. < 1300634672 257331 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many logs would a clog log, if clog could log logs? < 1300634697 831523 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes fizzie in the eye with a stick.
< 1300634748 513983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, pseudoHTML = XML? < 1300634763 119338 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tastes like HTML to me. < 1300634826 562360 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could keep a map of "don't log this" :nick!user@host prefixes, and add to that list whenever says "glogbot: I hate you I hate you I HATE YOU"? < 1300634877 391521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's stateful, though. :/ < 1300634887 284835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO GOOD SOCIALIST WOVLD HATE COMRADE GLOGBOT < 1300634896 450816 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stateful anyway, it has a channel list and op list *shrugs* < 1300634897 748264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THAT NOT TRVE, COMRADE FUNGOT? < 1300634901 774542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1300634901 998746 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: more time, < 1300634921 165020 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Couldn't you be case-insensitive anyway? < 1300634921 500413 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i had actually forgotten most of the time < 1300634939 993172 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGOT YOU HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN OFTEN ENOUGH < 1300634944 266350 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ case in point < 1300635083 135711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to be able to make one-off comments that aren't logged < 1300635113 907578 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you just mass-privmsg your non-logged comments to everyone on channel. < 1300635131 43518 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's going to be real popular.) < 1300635137 906780 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mass-notice < 1300635143 549024 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't open query windows (usually) < 1300635145 657952 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mass-destruct. < 1300635161 844136 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can add nonlogged bits to glogbot, but it's pointless w/ clog still here. < 1300635164 20102 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still going to end up not being associated with the correct channel. < 1300635178 648874 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Better to be in the wrong channel than in a bloody query window. < 1300635200 615763 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was wrong with clog, incidentally? (Except the fact that it's broken every now and then.) < 1300635208 569099 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted raw logs. < 1300635230 454255 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw and BLOODY. < 1300635239 774088 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw and GETTIMEOFDAYEY < 1300635267 143094 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how does your logging format distinguish between the two seconds around a leap second that have the same unix-time number? < 1300635287 775518 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT DOES NOT, AND EVERYBODY GETS CONFUSED < 1300635292 180459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh NO! < 1300635357 551187 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More Lemmings.) < 1300635491 543667 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless ... < 1300635503 600032 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does gettimeofday do something tricky with it? < 1300635515 615719 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does, no. < 1300635517 772817 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like report tv_usec values greater than 100000 < 1300635520 182831 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1300635529 606259 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typoed 1000000 btw :P < 1300635631 397423 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :".. proposed a similar solution: < 1300635631 584489 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday() will not return during 23:59:60. If a process calls < 1300635631 584545 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday() during a leap second, then the call will sleep until 0:00:00 < 1300635631 584565 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it can return the correct result. < 1300635631 584614 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This horrified the real-time people. It is, however, strictly speaking, < 1300635633 899503 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely correct. < 1300635645 631854 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that would be a rather unexpected "solution". < 1300635656 68338 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think anything does that.) < 1300635666 25651 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's Very Bad™ w.r.t. realtime. < 1300635695 220655 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just fail with E_INTERRUPTED (or whatever that error code is) if it's called at the wrong time. < 1300635706 378601 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose most people work under the assumption that gettimeofday never fails :P < 1300635752 563342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pretty funny workaround though < 1300635777 766076 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300635805 599113 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has suggested a CLOCK_UTC secondary clock, for which clock_gettime would return >=1000000000 tv_nsec values. < 1300635809 353035 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Aways.) < 1300636201 564748 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-77.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300636205 805887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-65.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300636326 474343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300636430 300488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300636432 402986 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300636446 25508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300637454 471378 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi blogs < 1300637607 25063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wouldn't expect this channel to be full of blogs < 1300637646 629855 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least oklopol is a blog (and possibly more people) < 1300637675 675622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean "blogger"? < 1300637709 863256 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, blog. < 1300637712 708375 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone says i'm a blog and i don't am in my opinion :( < 1300637721 468209 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes you do. < 1300637729 261477 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do are! < 1300637744 343750 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i am amn't i :\ < 1300637762 77323 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out < 1300637805 339385 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*confirmed* < 1300637846 688856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's some of the best abuse of grammar I've ever seen, I'm impressed < 1300637911 673642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am amn't i = i am (am)^{-1} i = i i = 1 if i is an involution though < 1300637925 712672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am i an involution? < 1300637943 805204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is where math stops and poetry begins < 1300638268 220506 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-65.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300638274 586895 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-168-205.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300638977 575554 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think you're more of an involuntary than an involution. < 1300639082 724236 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate on that? i'm not entirely sure what you mean < 1300639091 951878 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably in semigroup terms < 1300639125 378445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're, like, the associative law. < 1300639144 239667 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. (1) involuntary, nonvoluntary, unvoluntary -- (not subject to the control of the will; "involuntary manslaughter"; "involuntary servitude"; "an involuntary shudder"; "It (becoming a hero) was involuntary. They sank my boat"- John F.Kennedy) < 1300639152 741130 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those quotes sound very okoish. < 1300639220 238155 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose i've experimented in all of those < 1300639222 678217 :hipsterpumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com NICK :copumpkin < 1300639223 45744 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1300639223 195416 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300640343 622147 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :involuntary fart < 1300640875 994197 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300640876 923442 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300641027 4986 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-84.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300641341 581779 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300641533 953605 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300642497 300440 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scans the names list for ehird and finds him absent.
< 1300642528 577855 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you'll have to fulfill the role of ehird, then. < 1300642534 318013 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's Minecraft been treating you? < 1300642540 298666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: e's "elliott" on IRC nowadays, but isn't here right now < 1300642781 638645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is multivariable calculus, in fact, boring? < 1300642798 637834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it can become routine after a while < 1300642810 202957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'd call it boring, it's more like arithmetic, just more complex < 1300642824 51308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly boring if you have to do it hundreds of times out of context for no reason < 1300642826 327000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so are most things < 1300642852 241421 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I bother continuing this MIT thing, or should I look for something else to try to learn? < 1300642958 275712 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300643526 894184 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :KITTY KITTY KITTY KITTY KITTY KITTY < 1300644545 851482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300644632 567548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, yeah, elliott stormed off and hasn't been seen since. < 1300644645 34902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, he's online AtM. < 1300644721 401980 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I see. Excellent. < 1300644793 570208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does anyone with ops need to request glogbot parted, can't you use the KICK command for that? Just like INVITE can join, then KICK can part, isn't it? < 1300644828 796035 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suppose I could make kick serve that function, good point. !glogbot_part is just a bit more civil :P < 1300644902 156753 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: learning theory is overrated, just do math problems and all will be zen < 1300645095 961714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your level, you can find fun exercises by just browsing wp and proving definitions of things equivalent < 1300645165 545552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, WP is not useful for learning or getting interesting problems. < 1300645214 234914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine proving the definitions of continuity to be equivalent would not be trivial for him < 1300645227 12740 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Done. < 1300645243 432339 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm sure you can prove them equivalent easily, that's not the point. and i'm not zzo < 1300645254 841135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 13 seconds is impressive < 1300645261 119190 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*16 < 1300645264 609186 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-..-. < 1300645270 189697 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sort of a retard < 1300645274 117531 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 was correct. < 1300645486 613839 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mostly my point was that on his level, he can *even use wikipedia* < 1300645486 827779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-168-205.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300645491 836537 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300645537 139288 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, anything. < 1300645539 97168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Sgeo's level, again? < 1300645544 138867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a total noob < 1300646338 89128 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300646369 633797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well duh, but how much of a noob? < 1300646487 821870 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the standard kind of noob, can't really do anything unless it has to do with reals < 1300646502 212139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, some integration/arithmetics shit < 1300646528 877862 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A New Kind of Noob < 1300646547 392466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i mean someone who doesn't care about sets < 1300646564 710250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, reals. < 1300646569 292304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the bastards. < 1300646589 829189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like them when they are used in moderation < 1300646613 640030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls that x^x behaves quite weirdly if you go below 0, but he couldn't be bothered to actually wrestle with Mathematica enough to work out more.
< 1300646626 363110 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly use them to metrize topologies < 1300646658 976298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who doesn't? < 1300646659 143529 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: google "The x^x spindle" < 1300646692 679088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AIN'T HAVIN' NONE OF YOUR WOLFRAM DEMONSTRATIONS < 1300646714 696749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica thinks 0^0 is undefined. < 1300646716 879786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indeterminate < 1300646719 437495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHILISTINES < 1300646781 609548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes graphing functions from R to C unnecessarily difficult. < 1300647147 188280 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I madea graph of y=x^x in my graphing calculator. I made it graph one line for the real and one for imaginary. < 1300647266 431415 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you get?? < 1300647279 435429 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1300647403 298331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the negative x, the real and imaginary line both are curved up and down (and they cross each other). On positive x, the imaginary is zero and the real goes slightly down and then curves upward. 0^0=1 and the line is proper there < 1300647426 406742 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what scale did you use? < 1300647468 349326 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmin=-2.5, xmax=2.5, xscl=.25, ymin=-2.5, ymax=2.5, yscl=.25, xres=2. < 1300647512 251291 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey can mathematica open this cdf stuff or do i really really need the "player"? < 1300647558 907937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, there's a new version of Mathematica out. < 1300647672 527913 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300648307 104685 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I partially made a documentation for TeX Chess. http://sprunge.us/NKBJ http://sprunge.us/Geaf < 1300648449 122377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good? < 1300648559 153499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The title page has the hacker emblem with chess. < 1300648854 140501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all the torrents are Windows-only. < 1300648917 838970 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300648938 576224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then don't use Mathematica. < 1300649068 611510 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133077.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300649442 884447 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300649623 989726 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300650174 794510 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then use... what? < 1300650381 537414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Khan Academy doesn't seem to have anything on abstract algebra. < 1300650416 515537 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it doesn't handle a lot of the actual interesting math out there < 1300650418 896952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if khan academy is the one i checked out, they don't really have anything < 1300650433 871412 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cover a lot of high school math and intro college math < 1300650465 764179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was confused by that given the recommendations for it. < 1300650492 223563 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's quite good for those things < 1300650496 999367 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely doesn't go into much depth < 1300650846 911164 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is simply *no room* on the internet for in-depth mathematics < 1300650870 677711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is not paper! < 1300651231 229748 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1300652324 234335 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Paper's cheap. < 1300652328 451379 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits are expensive. < 1300652329 173956 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300652403 534432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be wanting some bits then? That'll be a guinea for an ounce. < 1300652428 532154 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afraid I've only got that in pence. < 1300652588 768071 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300652642 625769 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pisya < 1300652650 321718 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;) < 1300652667 660112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferimulliga. < 1300652674 604089 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :������ ������ :) < 1300652677 211791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fansa etteta japinozua < 1300652680 554086 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :������� �� �� ��� ���� < 1300652684 279160 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300652688 512004 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :```�o�����o�� < 1300652690 737702 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :æthelred < 1300652691 585488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1300652694 973771 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :� ��� � �������������� < 1300652697 323656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1300652709 772368 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiirirrrioo iroo iiirrrroriooi < 1300652714 707671 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, esh kall < 1300652722 60160 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sho sehemell? < 1300652725 579143 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suka < 1300652727 794419 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^) < 1300652731 604240 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stetta :DD < 1300652735 73666 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUI HUI HUI < 1300652742 23111 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :han JAKEL! Xd < 1300652752 822039 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I`M RUSSIAN PIDARAS < 1300652759 985316 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1300652767 79947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm finnish zdedeflemek :DS < 1300652783 174894 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFUuuuu~~~ < 1300652790 362814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fuck that shit < 1300652811 55995 :iGnoi!~i@85.26.234.45 PART :#esoteric < 1300652850 942210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :another day on #esoteric < 1300653023 823626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iGnoi: Your message won't work to anyone with their client set to UTF-8 < 1300653041 371189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could read it just fine < 1300653058 722234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Did you set your client to UTF-8 or something else? < 1300653064 286516 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1300653079 584525 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not UTF-8, because it will not display in UTF-8 mode. < 1300653092 43747 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was high quality white noise < 1300653103 161821 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as intended, i'm sure < 1300653159 890035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it just looks like one solid block which is very long < 1300653248 628704 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okei < 1300653249 966107 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*okay < 1300653254 762471 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was weird < 1300653256 189578 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1300653409 29257 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is the One True Solution� < 1300654772 554504 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-235.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300654780 23631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1300654780 365366 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-77.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300654780 365379 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yah, at least. < 1300655215 724473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, someone tell me what the hell the mask in regionset does. < 1300655260 414834 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300656562 100327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if you can solve the following chess game (as the white (uppercase) player): 8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/qpprpK1P/1nkbn3 < 1300656578 149583 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1300656766 974030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i can tell you i *won't* solve it < 1300656773 251097 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1300656780 293658 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OK, then don't, is OK. < 1300656788 31215 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you unsolve it? < 1300656862 712279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's got to be a stalemate, surely? < 1300656863 384168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300656874 96570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it isn't. < 1300656896 22543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black's pawns are going rightwards, as usual? < 1300656908 244046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recognise the position, I may have seen it before < 1300656911 467579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't remember the solution < 1300656932 99322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought black pawns usually went downwards
< 1300656951 208078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black pawns are going as usual (they are all stuck currently). < 1300656976 578833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, rightwards in the notation < 1300656982 56233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They go from rank 7 to rank 1, and white pawns go from rank 2 to rank 8. So, yes they do go downward. < 1300656990 173855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're stuck on pieces < 1300656995 936090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And yes they go rightwards in the notation (digits means blank spaces) < 1300657048 544966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recognise the notation, just forgot which was left and which was right < 1300657070 605043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now you know. < 1300657077 616636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : well i guess you had to be there. < 1300657081 229749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think. < 1300657205 503825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, oerjan mentioned he was a line researcher once... < 1300657208 339324 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1300657211 940281 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300657294 618905 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you think it can be stalemate? I think it is clearly win for white regardless of which player plays first. < 1300657295 942277 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think he was being colorful < 1300657314 230543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I misread it as having blank spaces in front of Black's pawns < 1300657330 692547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black is all blocked everywhere because they have too many things in the wrong place. < 1300657494 517520 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I do not think it can work if black plays first, because then black can promote and unblock everything. < 1300657512 981460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I could make it not log channel notices. < 1300657526 205325 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall from earlier clog doesn't log strange CTCP's :D < 1300657536 888585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
LIKE this
< 1300657570 259400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do like that, but can't figur out how to send a response in my client < 1300657575 190537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*figure < 1300657581 291273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can't type the control-A < 1300657581 995830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it is
inside of a message
? < 1300657589 543168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for the control-A, I can copy-paste that < 1300657593 976924 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't have a /ctcp command? < 1300657599 321191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it doesn't send replies < 1300657608 931448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NOTICE #esoteric :
like this yes I do like that
< 1300657609 732110 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe /ctcpnotice? < 1300657626 409245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what clients or what commands the different ones have. < 1300657642 102759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm i didn't know there was a particular "reply" distinction? < 1300657651 417990 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my client apparently thinks so < 1300657653 130033 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NOTICE is for replies, PRIVMSG for requests. < 1300657656 280634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: CTCP replies are NOTICE-based, the CTCPs themselves are PRIVMSG based < 1300657662 187514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1300657665 364064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/PRIVMSG based/PRIVMSG-based/ < 1300657700 567451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except bizarrely clog _did_ log your notice version < 1300657723 55242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A closure in Javascript is a black box. This makes sense most of the time - but not for the system designer." < 1300657728 117949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who sends CTCP replies to channel? < 1300657732 380603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's against the spec < 1300657735 627248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. never even considered that a clojure could be something other than a black box < 1300657738 895378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*closure < 1300657741 654306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sue me < 1300657744 87804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NOTICE #esoteric :
PING 120
< 1300657746 972210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my client both requests and replies are sent by the actual CTRL+A key (although it can be configured to automatically send replies to some messages) < 1300657779 383056 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can send CTCP replies to channel manually I guess, but I do not know why. Generally automatic replies are never sent to the channel. < 1300657806 882385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I did it to make a stupid joke < 1300657810 369389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that's a good reason? < 1300657828 934010 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com NOTICE #esoteric :
ACTION is this some reply command now that it says NOTICE?
< 1300657850 195571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my client thought it was < 1300657875 88288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client just showed it literally < 1300657887 857793 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523> oerjan: who sends CTCP replies to channel? < 1300657892 211803 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to flood autopingers that way < 1300657899 506442 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody protects from ctcp replies < 1300657908 763653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :autopingers? < 1300657945 332557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot currently logs all of those, anyway... < 1300657972 7903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client does no special processing to replies, it just displays them. Special processing is applied to reply to requests, or to PONG to server PING. Therefore, it is immune to such attacks. < 1300658037 357981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scripts that respond to the word 'ping' and then ping you < 1300658040 885016 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then tell you your ping replie < 1300658050 123271 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say: just about the most useless scripts ever < 1300658062 33316 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly when people use them in a help channel and they match on *ping* < 1300658066 535255 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uhh.. yeah ;p < 1300658072 504836 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's other ways to turn them "off" < 1300658073 726230 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1300658086 136372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i guess they are not helping, then < 1300658097 66586 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should there be a CTRL+A SPECIAL command? < 1300658098 988544 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got real bad at one point < 1300658116 769955 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to tell someone how to use /ctcp ping only to get spammed by a bunch of noobscripts < 1300658130 766990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people don't use those sorts of scripts around here anyway < 1300658140 127472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the \o/ thing, but it's the only script of that nature I've seen < 1300658140 441995 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :              | < 1300658140 442066 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :             /| < 1300658144 461113 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway one time i went to the home channel for one of the full scripts that included an autopinger < 1300658151 959378 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ctcp reply flooded the channel < 1300658156 163413 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then giggled at all the excess floods < 1300658156 448761 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1300658173 662981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean people just turn on everything, even though they haven't checked what they do? < 1300658181 479704 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ais523 doesn't seem to have seen you < 1300658182 146302 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you really have to go to fnord either and try to make a huge difference between python and the second element is the symbol it. /misc/ _old/ fizban/ kern fnord fnord' < 1300658187 679643 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: glogbot provides a raw log, so at the moment every byte that goes in and out is logged, although e.g. strange CTCPs aren't baked. < 1300658203 242092 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I could make it exclude lines that matched certain parameters. < 1300658210 849542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I treat saying "fungot" (or "optbot", I suppose) as a deliberate attempt to trigger the bot < 1300658211 195437 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is he that unreachable? and equal? < 1300658215 277326 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "strange CTCP" is a strange one even for that :P < 1300658237 77502 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably shave < 1300658268 142944 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're assuming only smart people use irc < 1300658275 455527 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe freenode has distorted your perceptions < 1300658279 885054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: well, they have to find the servers somehow < 1300658288 990565 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the main thing is that the scripts are always written crappily < 1300658296 553173 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might flood protect the 'ping me' request < 1300658302 462821 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never the part that receives and responds to the reply < 1300658305 698558 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why we're all on Freenode, and particularly on #esoteric :P < 1300658308 378107 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sanity bastion. < 1300658323 406331 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no one sane could ever find us < 1300658346 748241 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanna know a cool trick on bahamut based servers? < 1300658363 820376 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope :P < 1300658367 617633 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok then < 1300658396 142913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Probably the raw logs should keep it although it might be very useful to remove some things from formatted logs, such as discarding all control characters from all messages (clog keeps some in, although it is bad in formatted logs, it is good in raw logs to keep control characters in). < 1300658405 121071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: What is trick? < 1300658412 864187 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor doesn't want to know < 1300658413 703936 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1300658417 777833 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1300658420 671483 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :privmsg @+#chan,@#chan,+#chan,#chan is the trick < 1300658426 500763 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so bad on dalnet < 1300658434 949900 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you realize that unreal is based on bahamut < 1300658438 514487 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has like 5 usermodes... < 1300658477 964583 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work on efnet_ < 1300658479 892389 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300658482 155749 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300658485 947752 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :efnet uses other ircd < 1300658486 977225 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1300658494 618148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do that, will it send messages to operators four times? < 1300658497 491330 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but efnet used to have some servers with a shitty @# message handling < 1300658503 638946 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it would send one message per op < 1300658511 924240 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1300658521 168131 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the servers send to "status symbol and higher" < 1300658523 525032 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be 4 times < 1300658533 132355 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes (like dalnet) they only send to explicit m atches < 1300658537 649854 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 3 for ops, 3 for voices, 1 for regs < 1300658560 763484 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reported it to quension in #bahamut years ago but nothing ever got done < 1300658566 837731 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did eventually fix some other problems i reported though < 1300658583 490212 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to keep it on the "down low" because i haven't seen anyone flood that way but me :P < 1300658599 774509 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is super effective though < 1300658645 259679 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another: < 1300658652 402384 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :join 0,#channels,#to,#flood < 1300658668 831984 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 5, followed by disconnect -> 10 messages to multiple channels for cheap < 1300658700 489345 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300658708 6169 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my all time favorite < 1300658713 193627 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just whois your target, they are often on like 10 chans < 1300658723 267559 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus joins bypass local +i < 1300658740 585372 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally all the clones will have already joined by the time anything reacts, so you can't really stop it < 1300658754 397628 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300658771 850205 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and dccallow? < 1300658774 520513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^ this is why all those VPSes ban IRC, I suspect < 1300658779 618430 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't drop you from the list when you change nicks < 1300658787 679860 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I'm getting it :P < 1300658787 994326 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but watch does < 1300658795 449003 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use them together = track nick changes without sharing a channel < 1300658800 646982 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they finally fixed that one < 1300658833 209766 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might still apply on derivatives that haven't upgraded though < 1300658868 651492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why that sort of nonsense is so rare on Freenode? idiots not finding the server? or idiots deciding it's no fun? < 1300658952 173532 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just directive. Idiots join IRC just to chat and be idiots together. Then they become vicious when they get tired of being merely stupid. < 1300658973 958419 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who join IRC just to chat don't join Freenode. < 1300659013 697472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric being an exception? or do people join here hoping it's going to spend most of its time ontopic, then decide to stay? < 1300659050 623866 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300659056 683194 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the dalnet days of yore < 1300659067 133000 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears that the packet/flood kiddies come along with warez and stuff < 1300659073 885193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm all for ontopic talk in #esoteric, but seem to be outnumbered < 1300659075 924112 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd get competing channels that attack each other < 1300659101 560669 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in general just wind up attracting the sort of people who were into trying to keep botnets and whatnot < 1300659104 572812 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i suggest a small FORTE program to increase your number < 1300659127 370993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, FORTE oneliners are impossible to write, because it's impossible to put a loop in one < 1300659135 909669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a two-liner could be done, but I'm not sure I could write one in a hurry < 1300659145 957248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have no against ontopic talks, although you can do many things discussed in here, ontopic should generally take priority. < 1300659169 861364 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly just learned about flooding and stuff to learn < 1300659172 518667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you're correct < 1300659177 710073 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to write an excellent channel protection bot ;) < 1300659183 495374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protection from idiots? < 1300659194 753053 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my test bed was #0!!!!!!!!!!!!!preteen101 < 1300659208 858768 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't think anyone will hate on me for it ;p < 1300659218 217011 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no against untopic either, but i also have yes against offtopic. i like to have ontopic talks, but if you want to have offtopic talks, that is OK. < 1300659219 888628 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of times i reduced that channel to like 2 users... man... < 1300659223 811695 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ontopic < 1300659234 70430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nobody can do zzo38ese quite as well as zzo38 < 1300659243 112412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that was still quite good < 1300659244 343607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't try *that* hard < 1300659255 469067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: people actually joined it? < 1300659264 118025 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it usually had > 100 people < 1300659270 782770 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 3 - 4 ops < 1300659272 317794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I didn't realise channel names /could/ start with a digit) < 1300659273 414844 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they all had failscripts < 1300659280 862563 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't it starts with a # < 1300659282 137877 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300659296 608144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reduction to 2 users was just because you could? or because the other 98 were all idiots? < 1300659301 230245 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that channel is empty < 1300659306 472191 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was a kiddie porn channel < 1300659308 743047 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general i wasn't a douche to people who didn't deserve it < 1300659310 933172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's all the <13 girls < 1300659329 386065 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was learning about IRC and flooding, and i took that knowledge and applied it to better things < 1300659334 260002 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300659355 339240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just have reported it to the police? < 1300659358 566856 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did pull a few stunts for the lulz though < 1300659366 312441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would likely have worked better < 1300659367 807625 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like the ping reply thing above) < 1300659381 370028 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello, police? there are people on the internet trading pictures..." < 1300659381 785679 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with a good flood, if all the participants are okay with it ofc, you have to have a safe word for these things < 1300659387 627668 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1300659395 535822 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were many channels like that on dalnet < 1300659404 656400 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't expect the police were likely to be able to do anything about it < 1300659416 395178 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such people connect through proxies and whatnot < 1300659433 72544 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300659483 793981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a kid though, i found it more fun to harass them than report them. i guess i figured that if "just reporting it" would have done anything it wouldn't exist < 1300659496 423833 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days i'd look at it rather differently < 1300659506 162820 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you care < 1300659540 654803 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about pedos sharing pics? < 1300659544 879854 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300659559 166415 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't i? < 1300659568 485278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like an essentially victimless crime < 1300659577 476214 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody makes the things < 1300659601 601779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sharing pics somehow moves money in their direction? < 1300659602 656281 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i can't really see a reason to disallow it if it didn't encourage more of the same < 1300659618 292716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the standard antipiracy arguments applky < 1300659620 349606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*apply < 1300659620 692564 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i find it distasteful personally < 1300659627 601453 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-84.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300659632 221637 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as far as i can tell, it's like warez and other things < 1300659638 874877 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where people do it for props < 1300659639 970297 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not m oney < 1300659641 909387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually, I think the standard /propiracy/ arguments apply: it's illegal because pirating it encourages people to find legitimate sources < 1300659648 42325 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the argument of "sharing Sting songs makes people buy more Sting albums"? :DDDDD < 1300659664 47814 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there's an audience, there's more inclination to provide for that audience < 1300659666 320564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps that's true, yes < 1300659667 431138 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1300659671 77879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I never noticed the huge inconsistency there before < 1300659692 884163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues being excessively lawful good anyway
< 1300659694 370291 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, while i can't exactly say that everyone who looks at such pictures is a pedo < 1300659703 682615 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely that active pedos look at such pictures < 1300659716 189575 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's good if they live in fear of getting 'caught' < 1300659717 266602 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1300659741 670011 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just say "oh, well, the pics already exist so have fun if you want" < 1300659806 13759 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back in time and abuses 13 year old myndzi
< 1300659806 364760 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back in time and abuses 13 year old cheater00
< 1300659815 666590 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1300659832 450587 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAUSAL LOOP < 1300659839 163275 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop de loo < 1300659843 750757 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIVERSE COLLAPSING < 1300659852 618965 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back in time and divides by zero
< 1300659991 669777 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, i put a burrito in the microwave on defrost and it burst < 1300659992 416248 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1300660021 860966 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300660028 672649 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf happened to this channel >_> < 1300660031 500693 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :had this happen to a fruit mousse < 1300660042 415032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: quick, bring it back on topic < 1300660044 733061 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 NICK :uorygl < 1300660047 764488 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like berries and stuff.. the inside looked like a bloody mess < 1300660066 47681 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went from ctcps to irc stuff to flooding to flooding pedo channels to pedos < 1300660067 470678 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I SHALL DEFEAT SLOWPOKE < 1300660073 50376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : wtf happened to this channel >_> | it was like berries and stuff.. the inside looked like a bloody mess < 1300660095 964473 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hi? < 1300660117 708116 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like some kind of carnage happened to the channel < 1300660123 23194 :uorygl!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 NICK :tswett < 1300660128 813017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: go for it < 1300660137 462956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine FFSPG could be trivially tweaked to beat it < 1300660139 176415 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: when you loop de loop do you shoop da woop? < 1300660140 248436 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know any esoteric languages, just some somewhat esoteric irc things haha < 1300660141 349063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I didn't realise how really close that match was < 1300660151 617790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: this is a good place to learn < 1300660166 884164 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good place to forget < 1300660198 721695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is so good at it that he forgets to come here < 1300660199 71718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you have a good name for it < 1300660211 284690 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another 'esoteric' dalnet tidbit: < 1300660232 662919 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chanserv doesn't break its UNBAN mode settings to < 512 bytes < 1300660252 834435 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you set bans that are long enough, you can use /cs unban to make chanserv send a mode string that gets truncated < 1300660271 803542 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it removes the modes it sent from its internal list, but the last one(s) that got cut off don't get removed from the channel < 1300660287 619599 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a better desynch at one point that let you make chanserv think a whole channel didn't exist when it did < 1300660296 518298 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that one is fixed currently :PY < 1300660298 313875 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Y < 1300660337 291303 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homework: write a script that creates five bans that are as long as possible and can all be set ;) < 1300660366 678838 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if an existing ban covers the one you try to set it won't set, of course) < 1300660410 818508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if it's possible to use a domain more than 510 characters long, and end up impossible to ban by domain as a result? < 1300660420 255005 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1300660424 104489 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are limits < 1300660436 570581 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reverts to the ip if the host is too long < 1300660540 503150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't think even the guy with a whole Befunge program in their hostname would exceed that limit < 1300660607 664856 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a malbolge program. < 1300660625 10883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody likes writing those < 1300660975 39762 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :contrapumpkin < 1300661225 769052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrapumpkin: along the lines of covariant/contravariant? < 1300661231 972234 :contrapumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1300661239 253210 :contrapumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, co isn't necessarily covariant < 1300661244 361978 :contrapumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but contra is contravariant < 1300661347 150264 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-ntravariant :P < 1300661369 524384 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300661403 779052 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is drinking co-ffee
< 1300661567 780927 :contrapumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1300661680 541586 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300662289 66535 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-77.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300662302 456863 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-159.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300662329 696799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what? ← graph theory. < 1300662442 362975 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300662525 640299 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300662676 592940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1300662678 347194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300663446 804417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I finished TeX Chess document then maybe I should post version 0.1 on Chess Variants and on CTAN? < 1300664088 59588 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-243.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300664110 942346 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-159.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300665342 967773 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300666057 781679 :cheater-!~cheater@g224200162.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300666240 934684 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200230.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300668929 627594 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300668938 543763 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-243.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300669070 753057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300669620 524043 :clog!nef@bespin.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300670258 249213 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, the libm.so auction has started. > 1300670583 490727 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300670597 716162 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300670777 157161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300671004 391829 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300672435 54883 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1300673325 351121 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given everybody else's ping timeouts, maybe my bots aren't actually doing anything wrong :P < 1300674156 362060 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300674267 181035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I prefer SIRCL rather than the raw format that glogbot uses, but at least glogbot is not lying about the raw logs in the way that clog is doing. < 1300674313 284153 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does clog lie? < 1300674409 529898 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have a description or example of SIRCL's format? < 1300674413 54775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says 'These logs are purposely "raw" and are intended to be parsed/reformated/wrapped before viewing.' but it isn't raw. < 1300674489 514899 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot's raw format is not really meant to be readable, just bake-able. Its baked format could probably use some TLC. < 1300674512 917068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Very simple. UNIX timestamp, TAB, and then the message, terminated by CRLF (always CRLF, LF only is not allowed). Metadata commands have no TAB and have an asterisk as the first character of the line (before the timestamp, if any). Here is an actual log created in that format: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/irc_log/ADMIN/1291325292 < 1300674587 746909 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that that lines up the messages does make it more readable I'll admit. < 1300674662 767509 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose my format to 1) distinguish outgoing messages since it does in fact send messages out on requests, 2) have the totally-unnecessary added precision of gettimeofday and 3) use space delimitation for the simple reason that IRC is already space-delimited (modulo the :-to-EOL rule) < 1300674788 464099 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIRCL format is not intended to be more or less readable than any others, it is just a way that makes sense to me. It uses TAB only after the timestamp; IRC commands are delimited with spaces and colons as normal. The TAB separates the timestamp from the message. It requires CRLF the same as the IRC prtoocol specification says it is. You are not required to use this format; but I do have it. < 1300674933 295386 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My log reformatter is extremely-lazily-written, and tokenizes my entire raw-format line as if it was an IRC message, so having spaces saves me one utterly-minor step X-P < 1300674937 576077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also note these logs are created directly by the server, so in this case there is no need to distinguish send/receive, it simply logs everything that any client on that channel would receive. One way to use it in client logging if wanted, is to omit the sender part for sent messages. This format also supports metadata, although any program that creates or parses this format is not required to write or use it.) < 1300674951 249777 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: O, that makes sense, if that is how you wrote it. < 1300675450 958891 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would, however, have the filenames a bit different: The raws have no extension (also no "-raw"), while the formatted ones formatted as HTML with the ".html" extension. So, for example, you would have "2011-03-20" and "2011-03-20.html" files. At least that is my opinion; you do not have to agree. But at least I like that you actually have raw logs, unlike clog. < 1300675519 844579 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have considered making HTML ones ... the fact that the raw ones have a "-raw.txt" extension is because in my delusional imagination I postulate that the primary audience cares more about the baked logs, so marking the raw logs as "Here there be dragons" doesn't hurt *shrugs* < 1300675747 876660 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANNOUNCEMENT: I am a superstitious ninny who unplugs my laptop from mains when there's a thunderstorm. Boo me. < 1300675812 706371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300675825 574165 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-97.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300675867 639381 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should add a PM command to glogbot that makes it so it notices you the last few lines when you join a channel. Opt-in of course. < 1300675920 653459 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT'S ALL MY FAULT < 1300675964 44528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented SIRCL as a possible standard format for IRC logs. < 1300675993 176226 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, perhaps PRIVMSG glogbot :TAIL 12 for 12 lines, and put 0 to disable it. < 1300676018 721442 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION strongly considers this notion ...
< 1300676069 694131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There really also ought to be STATUS and HELP commands, even if you have no TAIL command like this. < 1300676111 779539 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what status would do, and there is !glogbot_help, although I could just as well make it respond to more in PM *shrugs* < 1300676200 240960 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel weird < 1300676200 241073 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm "helping" someone with chemistry by turning chemistry problems into.. stuff about marbles < 1300676452 226454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In PM perhaps it would respond even if "!glogbot_" is not prefixed? And STATUS would display the URL as well as number of channels, possibly data rate and so on? Perhaps some option that the inviter can select whether or not commands sent to the channel are recognized? Some might want the log but not want it to recognize commands sent to the channel, which is why the channel operator should be able to turn it off somehow? < 1300676568 738552 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if the channel operator sets channel mode +q glogbot!*@* then it will ignore commands sent to the channel completely... it could be implemented by having glogbot attempt to send a NOTICE with the log URL to the channel immediately after being invited....? < 1300676673 999780 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You receive a 404 if you send when you have +q that way it can check. < 1300676778 921325 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What purpose is there in ignoring messages sent to the channel? It always responds with a personal NOTICE now, so it is not the one disturbing the peace. < 1300676822 658334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In case you want a channel without bot commands, or if there is confliction. So, two reasons. < 1300676907 380643 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least.) < 1300676978 511718 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think that making it send the NOTICE with the URL and checking for 404, solves two problems at once. But that is just my opinion. > 1300677116 670465 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300677127 689198 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300677132 384626 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't check for errors. < 1300677166 211991 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, now it accepts truncated commands via PM :) < 1300677182 391997 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and hopefully not directly, as I shall test thusly: < 1300677182 777991 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1300677194 880422 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/directly/in a channel/ < 1300677227 579281 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1300677416 55839 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it has a passive-aggressive !glogbot_status command :) < 1300677461 502394 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I can see that works. < 1300678462 99245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I wonder, should they implement a NS SET MODE command? < 1300678534 934035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can ask them maybe if they know < 1300678597 775428 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or NS HELP < 1300678660 383195 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, should < 1300678660 758658 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1300680870 817467 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300680927 624230 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand the US cellphone market gets smaller still. < 1300680936 99893 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT&T to buy T-Mobile. < 1300680976 805409 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300680978 105272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will leave us with precisely *one* GSM carrier in the US, as well. < 1300680996 224877 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think one is enough? < 1300681016 355514 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And three majors carriers overall. < 1300681038 900684 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ma Bell is coming back. < 1300681071 523834 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't affect me, I do not use cellular telephones anyways. < 1300681100 35585 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint. < 1300681170 675097 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I should specify; they're buying T-Mobile US; no overseas operations. < 1300681277 991357 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Canada, but regardless of where I live I still do not use cellular phone. < 1300681703 354059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe later I will write more TeX programs, such as macros to make calendar, mailing labels, barcodes, and more. All designed to be used with Plain TeX, DVI output, and no DVI specials. < 1300682100 988778 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many other packages are LaTeX only, PDF only, Type 1 fonts only, e-TeX only, or require external "makeindex" program, DVI specials, SVG, PostScript, or something else. So now I make the one that does not require anything special. < 1300684258 875357 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap :( guess that means my cell phone bill is going up lol < 1300684975 433559 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-218.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300685140 875650 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-90.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300685709 933684 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300685937 629826 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad!!! < 1300687803 313342 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300688382 170101 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300689245 577140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-182-45.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300689304 746653 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-249-218.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300692061 372160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300692758 57032 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300694891 270192 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300695449 997892 :cheater99!~cheater@e181130179.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300695501 138662 :cheater-!~cheater@g224200162.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300695681 695954 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300695864 910766 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300696329 740314 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300696528 133434 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300696826 568947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300698514 22475 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300698807 958500 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300699185 777338 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-182-45.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300699268 653151 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-103.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300703999 856991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300704096 817343 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs at today's xkcd hovertext
< 1300704208 713629 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1300704242 731389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY I CANNOT HEAR YOU < 1300706041 973976 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128255.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300706120 906288 :cheater99!~cheater@e181130179.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300706846 307769 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-61.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300707025 179688 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-61.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1300707848 898209 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-53-235.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300708203 579380 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-11-51.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300708619 118984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300708752 525310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300709053 15175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: today's xkcd is quite good generally < 1300709093 126083 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1300709132 863890 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300709167 710059 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300709204 136373 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300709657 481346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300709900 526224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300710185 251037 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300710287 877658 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300710347 907359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm talking of today's xkcd. Is there any special significance to the year 2017? As opposed to any other ones in the near future < 1300710359 430650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1300710371 205701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 6 years from now is about the right timespan for the joke to work < 1300710377 617307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 5 or 7 would have worked too < 1300710390 798248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300710403 746361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought it might be some movie reference or such < 1300710442 964558 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-11-51.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT : < 1300710498 540970 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a solar eclipse, that's all I can think of. The year-to-reference would have probably been 2012, but that's both overdone and a bit too soon. < 1300710527 506901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is that eclipse? < 1300710550 618023 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them Americans have it, I think. < 1300710556 879942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300710601 19841 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_August_21,_2017 < 1300710607 586258 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes right through North America there. < 1300710660 258300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that page have one of those "this article is about an upcoming event" kind of boilerplate < 1300710670 100933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember wikipedia has that variant as well < 1300710767 487509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's basically put there in order to prevent idiots writing things into the article that makes no sense < 1300710844 829650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? Such as wrong tense? < 1300710882 597867 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Future seems to have been deleted. < 1300710888 553068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's mostly to stop people writing vandalism about future events as if they've already happened/already known, then other people believing it as it's Wikipedia < 1300710891 588773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how often that happens < 1300710947 395034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleted three times, but first time seems to be via WP:CENT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Deprecating_%22Future%22_templates < 1300710971 140017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that WP:CENT is actually a deletion process, but I don't think anyone cares; it's heavier-weight than most deletion processes, so probably falls under IAR) < 1300711051 563621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"then other people believing it as it's Wikipedia" <-- it is strange that happens really < 1300711069 352164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oha and what is IAR? < 1300711073 390000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore all rules < 1300711081 118167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300711082 729504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are huge debates on how to actually interpret it < 1300711088 906816 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300711109 957492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, presumably you could just ignore IAR and be done with it < 1300711148 626334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my interpretation is more or less that a) if nobody disagrees with an action, you can do it regardless of what policy says (WP:BOLD's along those lines, too); b) the spirit of the rules are more important than the letter; c) documented rules lag behind accepted practice (i.e. it becomes accepted /then/ it's documented), so it's OK to break an old rule if Wikipedia has moved on since < 1300711150 76217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more seriously, isn't it to avoid getting stuck on rules when they are clearly suggesting a bad/stupid way forward? < 1300711201 903293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a special case, but an important one < 1300711228 88401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case here, "you can delete a page via WP:CENT even though it isn't a deletion process" seems a perfectly valid use of IAR < 1300711249 376541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it sort-of trumps other processes, in that it would be a reasonable way to change deletion process < 1300711262 483355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300711313 484110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, tl;dr of the CENT discussion about {{future}}: it was meant to be a warning that the page was being heavily edited as details came out, but wasn't actually being used that way < 1300711353 182953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300711365 583307 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There was a {{future}} in the article "29th century". < 1300711370 963517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way it was being used was entirely useless < 1300711376 723326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that's a good example < 1300711391 824156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely to have more details coming out rapidly, causing a flurry of edits, on that example! < 1300711530 2091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mere existence of that article is pretty ridiculous < 1300711561 61281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, isn't the 29th century more notable than (insert favourite example of niche Wikipedia article here)? < 1300711581 1226 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128255.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, wikipaedia woes < 1300711670 120668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably :P < 1300711868 776903 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The CPR [Canadian Pacific Railway] obtained a 999-year lease on the O&Q [Ontario and Quebeck Railway] on January 4, 1884. -- The CPR also leased the New Brunswick Railway in 1890 for 990 years, --" Why exactly a bit less than thousand years (as opposed to some other ludicrous number), I wonder. < 1300711898 981546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 1000 would have looked too large, it's the same principle as charging £9.99 in shops < 1300711908 91473 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A 999-year lease is, under historic common law, essentially a nominal lease of property for life. The lease locations are mainly in Britain, her former colonies and Commonwealth. The longest possible term of a lease of real property is legally a 99-year lease." < 1300711919 752620 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figures that there is an article for "999-year lease" specifically. < 1300712011 46421 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not a *good* article, though.) < 1300712907 371269 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300713493 832413 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1300713781 411980 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300713794 658367 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300714053 582009 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arghwtfbbq < 1300714058 556941 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't these guys stay pinged in. < 1300714083 561487 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128255.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :naja < 1300714404 911837 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7704.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300714480 245234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what is glogbot? < 1300714597 135986 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128255.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not optbot < 1300714617 982274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, that one < 1300714629 451184 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128255.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it replaced optbot < 1300714749 762387 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In no way has it "replaced" optbot, since it doesn't serve the same function >_> < 1300714933 433136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, there is a typo in the topic. Might be intentional < 1300714970 715524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, PH set the topic < 1300714971 723448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300714972 160148 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason PH decided that Roman...ism and socialism are the same thing. < 1300714988 581612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GLORIOVS" yeah, how strange < 1300715164 938284 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, glogbot is exactly what it sounds like. < 1300715180 203134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, a gnu or gnome logging bot :P < 1300715184 63185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a typo in ancient Latin, except it probably isn't a real word in ancient Latin < 1300715186 530098 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff < 1300715192 279922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh gregor :P < 1300715254 728863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Gregor Compiler Collection < 1300715262 141965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make that < 1300715268 483073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of your various languages < 1300715310 597138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be egologbot if it were Gregor's < 1300715324 125201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh true, so it must be gnu then < 1300715327 490532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly gnome < 1300715328 358807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: assertion may contradict reality) < 1300715350 383472 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128255.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ymmv? < 1300715381 691266 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ego" is for esorelated things. < 1300715405 997643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a #esoteric logbot isn't esorelated? < 1300715443 738720 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a general-purpose logbot that just so happens to be being used on #esoteric . < 1300715526 357191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/03/identifying_photocopy_machine.html < 1300715530 637767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-eso, but pretty funny < 1300715535 357053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you like silly legal situations < 1300715560 666416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a case where someone tried to answer a question about if there was a photocopier in an office, by repeatedly asking the questioning lawyer to define a photocopier < 1300715825 115423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : meanwhile: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/03/identifying_photocopy_machine.html <-- wtf < 1300715828 910671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is that a joke? < 1300715857 234253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300715860 671701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1300715875 478327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even particularly silly by the standards of typical court cases < 1300715882 646103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes a change from SCO < 1300715934 857769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1300715947 2235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, SCO is still going at it? < 1300715955 503410 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-103.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300715961 369800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd expect them to have stopped? < 1300715980 380216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they recently managed to get a bankruptcy judge to approve them selling all their assets but only a very small number of liabities < 1300715983 533540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*liabilities < 1300715987 202331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they're bankrupt on paper, again < 1300716012 263304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of technically owning a negative amount of cash, not that that seems impossible in bankruptcy court as you can delay payments < 1300716024 529210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're legally bankrupt already, in that they declared bankruptcy years ago now) < 1300716036 919554 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lololol @ "Xerox" < 1300716037 548349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, aren't there time limits on that sort of stuff < 1300716050 38890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, and they've been extended/broken repeatedly < 1300716061 23013 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-28.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300716069 170737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, aren't there limits on how many times an extension can be granted? < 1300716082 624011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can't figure out if the person in question was a) an idiot, b) trolling, c) serious < 1300716094 307227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although b) would be epic < 1300716109 461001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the CEO of the company was removed and replaced with a bankrupcy-court-appointed trustee < 1300716119 966168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who kept on doing exactly the same thing the removed CEO had been doing < 1300716126 414928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that sounds very strange < 1300716136 553928 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/trustee/puppet/ < 1300716142 97890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is /SCO/ we're talking about < 1300716149 257574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it not be? < 1300716158 906515 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, who would find a glogbot "tail" mode useful? (That is, when you join it sends you in a NOTICE the last few messages on the channel) < 1300716175 423213 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether it's worth implementing, since it has some risk of flooding itself into oblivion :P < 1300716180 490599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't they realize it must be futile to continue? < 1300716183 116181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd find that vaguely useful, although not sufficiently useful to insist someone else should implement it < 1300716186 341818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be opt-in, at least < 1300716189 754197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll help to reduce flooding < 1300716194 521032 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Of course opt-in < 1300716196 826828 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lawd opt-in < 1300716205 89662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure < 1300716217 138928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems futile from the point of view of saving SCO, but that doesn't seem to be the actual objective < 1300716224 190009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it may be accomplishing whatever the actual objective is quite well < 1300716227 615873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what would the objective be then < 1300716241 118795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows? < 1300716250 480626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's enough money moving around, that someone probably ends up benefiting as a result < 1300716258 62027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300716263 823717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure who, as I lost track < 1300716273 730858 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300716279 848126 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the bankruptcy lawyers seem to be being paid. < 1300716285 973933 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202061.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300716300 931892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they have a negative amount of money? < 1300716319 871985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where would they get money from, surely lending it would be hard for them... < 1300716343 282472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there have been people lending them money, perhaps surprisingly < 1300716378 978680 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did also have some positive money at the beginning of the banruptcy process. At least if you don't count the amount they owe to Novell. < 1300716408 231485 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128255.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300716413 705916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite "owe", it was found that the money was "converted" from Novell, so it technically owns to Novell, just it's currently in SCO's ownership < 1300716424 333529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it isn't, because they already spent it < 1300716438 685087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "converted"? < 1300716445 187911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean in this context < 1300716458 552730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a legal term, I'm not quite sure what it means exactly, but it seems to have a similar meaning to "stolen", or perhaps "defrauded" < 1300716465 695317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300716471 143126 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ocean Park Advisors have been billing them for about $30000/month for 16 months now. < 1300716513 272936 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly for planning and implementing the mythical "restructuring plan". < 1300716586 249639 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523, "converted"? what does that mean in this context Vorpal: it's a legal term, I'm not quite sure what it means exactly, but it seems to have a similar meaning to "stolen", or perhaps "defrauded" < 1300716588 729662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :337) ais523, "converted"? what does that mean in this context Vorpal: it's a legal term, I'm not quite sure what it means exactly, but it seems to have a similar meaning to "stolen", or perhaps "defrauded" < 1300716600 343560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why was that quote-worthy? < 1300716670 172545 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because lawl with emphasis on "law" < 1300716676 751554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300716684 858340 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The $30k figure was based on a quick look at the recent bills; seems that the early ones were rather larger, $196,002.50 for the first six weeks and so.) < 1300716708 368860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the chances of those ever being repaid seems to be about zero? < 1300716715 537632 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300716741 624986 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think those have been paid, more or less; which is probably one of the reasons why SCO no longer has any of the money it was loaned. < 1300716755 611961 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly SCO has done quite well for themselves. < 1300716797 308199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the loan was secured against everything the company owned, more or less < 1300716811 177644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it defaults, I'm not entirely sure what will happen, but it could be quite interesting < 1300716825 131525 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300716828 229580 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually isn't today Novell's last day to appeal for the UnXis sale? < 1300716835 656120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bonus points if SCO manages to get multiple loans secured against the same assets) < 1300716837 144231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it may be < 1300716845 226804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think they'll appeal? < 1300716922 959695 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have guessed "yes" if it was just Novell, but I don't know how much the Novell/Attachmate thing changes the matter. < 1300717114 423697 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I haven't been following the whole thing very closely, just read the groklaw posts; those make the sale sound pretty dubious indeed. < 1300717210 315381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300717291 627445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300717311 227985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm dealing with a system that uses 0 for true, non-0 for false < 1300717332 976709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what value should I use, concretely, for false? atm I'm doing -1 as it's easy to write as "not true" in two's complement < 1300717342 694608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, what value should I use for FILE_NOT_FOUND?) < 1300717732 699256 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a language/environment where 0 is true, and also you have a bitwise not operator? < 1300717738 855052 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this HellScript? < 1300717826 828532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's what happens when mathematicians try to project their idealized views on programming languages into the real world < 1300717837 47687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, this is #esoteric, is having 0 for true and bitwise-not /that/ bad? < 1300717918 50296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is used as true in math? < 1300717921 715006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300717928 324562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no number is < 1300717936 164301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the language just chose the "wrong" mapping < 1300717939 836105 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 1 is often used as true, and 0 as false < 1300717967 916790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i used 1 as true, 0 as false around 15 minutes ago < 1300718189 103805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again i suppose i could've just not thought of the 1 as true < 1300718227 140330 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202061.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl, as if web 2.0 wasn't bad enough.. now i have found a company which says they're an expert in Enterprise 2.0. < 1300718243 558355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1300718252 150098 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202061.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like WANs and shit < 1300718260 64961 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202061.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sort of job you don't want to do :D < 1300718328 34270 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300718392 26553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very hard to find a job i don't want to do < 1300718439 790987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of those jobs could you successfully apply for, though/ < 1300718479 461870 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i could get any job i wanted to by just going to the interview and telling them i'm the awesome < 1300718494 415308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i can even juggle" < 1300719157 407627 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202061.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, i just called someone and they told me off for calling them in the office < 1300719322 363480 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300719370 853357 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300719534 204024 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300719958 846277 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300720137 964465 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300720316 811207 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1300720638 590976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the instructions for these pills don't have a "what to do if you need eight tries to swallow them whole and manage to spit half a bottle of water onto the floor in the process" < 1300720669 702974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often have trouble with the mechanical aspects of getting a pill down my throat, but that was just ridiculous < 1300720672 933531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my trousers are wet now < 1300720700 967367 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202061.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300720707 225940 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029229.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300720749 383545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any relevant advice? < 1300720767 398200 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :practise < 1300720787 917271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can only really practice once every eight hours < 1300720799 840308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can practise swallowing other things tho < 1300720805 914119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I fear dire things might happen to me if I screw up even worse than that, e.g. biting it in half by mistake < 1300720812 494605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are not many things around designed to be swallowed whole < 1300720836 992136 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about grapes? < 1300720849 486596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people swallow those whole? < 1300720854 836690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear I'd choke if I tried, they seem rather large < 1300720855 28470 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they do < 1300720881 632600 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt it's very hard < 1300720987 763138 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=learn+to+deep+throat THERE YA GO < 1300721001 255968 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep throating isn't very hard either < 1300721005 801990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I doubt that link's going to turn up a lot of relevant stuff, even with safesearch on < 1300721012 535102 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THIS IS WHY PEOPLE THINK HE'S GAY < 1300721045 988653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can control most reflexes with a bit of practise, but i can't seem to get autoblinking off no matter what i do < 1300721060 444276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent hours and hours on this last summer < 1300721068 562885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is more an antireflex < 1300721081 262016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end, I managed it this time by reaching all the way back into my mouth and physically inserting the pill there < 1300721096 341685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both it and my mouth were so wet after the previous failures that it actually fell right down < 1300721101 645193 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300721141 541863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-192-242.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300721147 941064 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-28.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300721172 710678 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of you tried drinking without swallowing? that would be a neat thing to learn, but since you can die of it afaik, i haven't had the guts to go trial and error < 1300721176 423075 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the end, I managed it this time by reaching all the way back into my mouth and physically inserting the [censored] there both it and my mouth were so wet after the previous failures that it actually fell right down :P < 1300721202 791174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a sort of controlled drowning? < 1300721241 731561 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the liquid goes in your stomach < 1300721270 188017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I just wanted to say "controlled drowning" < 1300721282 77343 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should waterboard yourself. < 1300721285 911179 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how that's guaranteed, i don't know, i imagine if you just go for it, you prolly either succeed, or nothing goes down. < 1300721288 996057 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like the ideal solution. < 1300721301 897845 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never quite got how waterboarding could be dangerous < 1300721316 731660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's physically dangerous, more it's the psychological issues < 1300721322 826904 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to try that some time, but the serious brain injury part puts me off a bit < 1300721334 28792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly it wouldn't < 1300721354 830286 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't like risks < 1300721363 407575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I imagine waterboaring /yourself/ would cause different issues than someone else doing it to you < 1300721365 623705 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but drowning sounds like an interesting experience < 1300721392 177822 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it they did on tosh.0, orange-juice-boarding or something < 1300721400 934850 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-11-51.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300721403 981723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably triggering the body's drown reflex could be dangerous, too < 1300721431 379515 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the body actually have a "drowning" reflex per se? < 1300721431 904933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that there's also a case where someone consented to be waterboarded, and afterwards decided it was life-runing torture despite being consented to and sued < 1300721434 464876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it does < 1300721451 978060 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a horrible thought that i have this whole set of drowning related feelings built in, and i never get to experience them < 1300721453 136178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freedivers learn to trigger it deliberately < 1300721465 329656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it to hold their breath for several minutes at a time < 1300721497 375789 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds ... safe. < 1300721507 649837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps oklopol could learn to do that too < 1300721507 711169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote it's a horrible thought that i have this whole set of drowning related feelings built in, and i never get to experience them < 1300721508 211786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :338) it's a horrible thought that i have this whole set of drowning related feelings built in, and i never get to experience them < 1300721523 571738 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly sounds cool < 1300721551 583916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, humans have an ability that can only be triggered unconciously to use all their muscle fibers at once (typically they only use about 1/6 or so, because using more does permanent damage) < 1300721576 488558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people who are panicking sufficiently sometimes do it and do really implausible things as a result, like lifting trees < 1300721591 284652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably, which aren't attached to the ground at the time, and are quite large, or it wouldn't be implausible) < 1300721630 544862 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah because lifting trees that are attached to the ground isn't hard at all < 1300721640 375963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it would be impressive < 1300721646 98168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more implausible than I'm easily willing to consider < 1300721652 969022 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the roots go "hey cool i get to see the sun" and help you lift it < 1300721684 778233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not what roots are /for/ < 1300721686 638381 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still alive at that point, so it's a willing participant. < 1300721690 214947 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just climbs out of the ground. < 1300721707 14618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like your heart deciding it wants to do some thinking for a bit, and swapping places with your brain < 1300721717 477107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a nice metaphor, but seems unlikely if taken literally < 1300721740 661354 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hormones can cause behavior, and are carried in the blood :P < 1300721770 430066 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, suddenly you start beating your head against the wall every second or so. and spout fluids everywhere. < 1300721821 667408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how about someone who can actually lift an incredible amount of shit < 1300721835 588344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if their dog is sick and they get all hulk < 1300721838 575659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they lift houses? < 1300721850 56663 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they already use more than the healthy amount of their muscles < 1300721888 517720 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to be perfectly clear ... < 1300721898 40879 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their dog usually produces like 75lb turds < 1300721906 42269 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which they carry to the bin with no effort at all < 1300721924 742772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an interesting concept otherwise: you train doing X all your life, and you actually had the theoretical possibility of doing X even better, before you even started learning it < 1300721925 58561 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their dog is now sick and has filled their entire house with dark-matter shit. < 1300721966 500933 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's roughly what i meant < 1300721977 190733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how it works with athletes < 1300722013 438669 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO VULCANS < 1300722027 487340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think possibly the training strengthens their muscles so they can safely use a larger proportion < 1300722035 524815 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vulcans don't have pets < 1300722049 270973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that sounds likely < 1300722111 843244 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also often they sniff that what's that stuff before lifting stuff < 1300722124 847282 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm proud of my sentences < 1300722162 309423 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300722254 147772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how easy it would be to statistically predict who said a given sentence based on things like word choice and order? < 1300722267 539925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a game we used to play with optbot sometimes last time it was round here < 1300722273 27269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and seems relatively automatable < 1300722322 220777 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can usually spot my own rather easily, i'm usually the ones that make me laugh < 1300722357 994915 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ENTERTAIN US < 1300722358 430102 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: a linear algebra course and fnord by reading euclid. but now it is < 1300722371 495775 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit hard. < 1300722387 750612 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ENTERTAIN US MORE! < 1300722388 365090 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lack of sensible fnord. then you can choose from major and minor alternatively is kinda cool right mabye you should put in a good language for teaching purposes, it seems < 1300722397 434423 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300722411 332517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The copied elements that contain instructions, such as BREAD and CPIO, might perhaps be trade secrets, but Defendants' experts have argued persuasively that these instructions are either in the public domain or otherwise exempt." < 1300722413 814878 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FnordScript < 1300722460 177974 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1300722485 157781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's a quote from the BSD court case (where it was determined that BSD UNIX wasn't a trade secret) < 1300722501 108667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought cpio was a tar competitor, and who calls an instruction BREAD? < 1300722510 578223 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what's BREAD X-D < 1300722512 901603 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b-read maybe? < 1300722528 176020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1300722614 775764 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I did do some authorship attribution experiments on #esoteric logs (using code we did for guessing book authors on a "statistical NLP" course); given a large enough sample it did reasonable, despite being bog-stupid, but single comments not so well. < 1300722637 695981 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unsurprising since the features were word-length statistics and such.) < 1300722705 771704 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.13: 16k to Taiwan, 1k to Indonesia, 640k(512k+128k)+1280k(1M+256k)+512k+128k to China, 4k+2k+256+/48 to India, 4k to Vietnam, 4k to Australia, 256 to Philippines. < 1300722706 559207 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some author-discriminating features (attribution/punctuation styles and such) would probably help. < 1300722712 641425 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why are you making fun of bogs? < 1300722736 611239 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 'Cause they're not so smart. < 1300722757 854214 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've got a bog that could beat you in Chinese Checkers seven times out of twelve! < 1300722793 569954 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not hard: even I can beat myself that often. < 1300722807 329328 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'll bet you "beat" yourself that often. < 1300722868 385920 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty quiet day there. Only 7% of their pool gone in single day. < 1300722881 463151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300722887 560112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300723041 205336 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300723045 559557 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey how about a bot < 1300723049 663672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that like < 1300723056 938141 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time anyone says anything < 1300723061 309548 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells who it thinks said it < 1300723068 51686 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... best idea ever. < 1300723070 510654 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300723084 761796 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall implement it, and call it AnnoyingSpammerBot < 1300723095 35107 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could do it in pm if you've put that feature on < 1300723111 337251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes on the channel if it's REALLY sure < 1300723111 537371 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could do it in CTCP CHAT :P < 1300723117 88732 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DCC) < 1300723123 323518 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey how about < 1300723127 385 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sends you a text message < 1300723135 50425 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : hew how about oklopol said that! < 1300723184 100952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey seriously, this has to happen < 1300723191 53348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300723510 863892 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300723517 17351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it done soon? < 1300723520 459347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, Gregor: should it just look at the nick or should it instead do some heuristic on the text? Matching writing style I mean < 1300723531 141207 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Gregor, if he has some algo for it easily handable < 1300723536 14534 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-165.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300723541 32234 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300723546 434989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what do you think lol < 1300723550 464310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1300723559 689504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, the latter < 1300723568 534694 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter < 1300723575 805132 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Gregor is more of a guy who does; I'm both busy and in a bus, and the other assorted excuses. < 1300723585 476009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300723612 662909 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: those "excuses" are just an excuse < 1300723622 829973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see right through you < 1300723642 19477 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I've become invisible? < 1300723692 760129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300723728 86644 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes < 1300724017 458540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, damn, I thought they'd fixed that bug. < 1300724654 649283 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300724759 837094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300724791 620634 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1300724839 902179 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300725262 294821 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300725384 814325 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300725835 898985 :boily!~boily@poste103-170.wl.t.ulaval.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1300725937 996967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300725938 264929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300725938 534678 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300725938 776599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300725959 463658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300726034 331387 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300726111 153539 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300726177 793932 :boily!~boily@poste103-170.wl.t.ulaval.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300726332 509820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300726356 287895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300726668 49913 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ? < 1300726677 911925 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300726778 576993 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300726873 149545 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300727015 560954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300727987 709452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly syntax based on something I read on Reddit: \lambda x.expr = \frac{expr}{x} < 1300728026 539534 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of bastard half child of Lambda Calculus is this? < 1300728077 518183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's based on the classic exam fail of thinking cos x/x = cos. < 1300728086 158562 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-11-51.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1300728111 616971 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-11-51.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda x.x = x² lambda < 1300728144 864650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what algebraic structures are preserved.
< 1300728166 131063 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300728174 521679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commutativity clearly isn't. < 1300728250 733361 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M AFRAID < 1300728289 183395 :cheater99!~cheater@e181139144.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300728312 749192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, x^2/x /= x. < 1300728369 123575 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029229.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300728966 909751 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-111.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300728975 68856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-192-242.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300730425 859077 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-111.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300730440 335876 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-70.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300730761 915004 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As scale of things going on with APNIC: 14 more days like today will deplete APNIC. And what happened today wasn't so extraordinary: 3 of 5 business days last week saw much greater activity. < 1300731231 323125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300731681 154944 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300731879 696986 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300731889 651978 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300732630 38712 :BOI-ish!~quassel@adsl-85-124-213.mco.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300732757 958151 :BOI-ish!~quassel@adsl-85-124-213.mco.bellsouth.net PART #esoteric :"ciao." < 1300732904 71950 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-70.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Jeeze. < 1300733005 474549 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300733027 165512 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last week: 0.76 blocks gone. Oh, and there are only 1.71 left. < 1300733092 83544 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, starting to fragment: The largest free block is 1M (which there is only 1 of). < 1300733168 87051 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 748 288 addresses in 2 287 blocks. < 1300733259 737909 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not counting 103.0/8) < 1300733357 390918 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logaritmic size: /7.223 < 1300733417 62450 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up from /7.120 before today. So +0.103. < 1300733422 215415 :cheater99!~cheater@e181139144.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300733826 670195 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300733892 950074 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you know what would be a really nice addition to the Mycology readme? A copy of the complete expected output for a compliant interpreter. < 1300733901 484204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it really easy to allocate blocks in a way that avoids fragmentation, as long as they aren't expanded later? < 1300733918 93899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there's a bunch of UNDEFs, so you couldn't just use diff < 1300733989 444 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Linux sure nowadays has lots of kernel threads: 98 for me. < 1300734014 320053 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I realize that. Though now that you mention it, I'm not sure why undefined cases are even being tested. < 1300734039 83004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to inform the user of what the case does < 1300734056 326934 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-174-126.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300734083 530271 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice thought, but it's not a test. < 1300734085 349846 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-70.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300734184 983652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it /is/ a test, isn't it? < 1300734320 630620 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if a test either passes or fails. < 1300735215 431202 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying, there's an argument for putting undefined-behavior-probing in other source file(s), and not mixing them into an otherwise unambiguous test suite. < 1300735277 326406 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for my purposes, I can just download a copy of cfunge and see its output, since it doesn't fail out anywhere according to the results page. Hopefully easier than installing D and cmake and such :) < 1300735507 260275 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300735552 671099 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, except for the "checking it out using yet another different source-control tool" part. I am not at all sure bazaar > D < 1300735684 90328 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're sort of both hell. < 1300736804 727341 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300736975 473624 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300737772 924560 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something deeply wack with FBBI's stack management routines. This is not news. What is news is, I think I see what it is. < 1300737818 811153 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why does this coffee taste like whole wheat? That's very disturbing. < 1300737911 46054 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-174-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's actually mugicha (麦茶)? < 1300737988 540978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300738007 150116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22:24: * Phantom_Hoover wonders what algebraic structures are preserved. < 1300738007 321328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22:46: * azaq23 has joined #esoteric. < 1300738024 520462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i think it would be a good idea not to use * for non-emotes, it's confusing < 1300738053 506401 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-174-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks Gregor should use an irssi-esque output format
< 1300738071 868219 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-174-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would entail only using * for emotes. < 1300738087 282800 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-174-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-!- for non-PRIVMSG stuff. < 1300738090 793814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has joined #esoteric.
< 1300738097 477224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCK ON THAT, LOGREADERS < 1300738138 571385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-174-126.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He also has logs that are essentially a filtered dump of raw IRC traffic, with times prepended. < 1300738463 209625 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300738586 137244 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-174-126.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300738933 356919 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300739159 539291 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets mode #esoteric +b oklopol
< 1300739191 126631 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300739258 747969 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there an interesting 'collection oriented' language that is not apl/j/k? < 1300739266 201081 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are <- is < 1300739271 111080 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300739284 320309 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :set theory. < 1300739303 236410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp >:) < 1300739359 719023 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300739388 384723 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something like 'map theory'? I know there is something like 'array theory' < 1300739557 346939 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :array theory: http://www.nial.com/ArrayTheory.html < 1300739596 662527 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300739600 206396 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found something: http://www.mangust.dk/skalberg/papers/gkli-slides1.pdf < 1300739605 992393 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :map theorie: v < 1300739606 862951 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK THIS SHIT < 1300739610 996394 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :map theory: http://www.mangust.dk/skalberg/papers/gkli-slides1.pdf < 1300739714 248019 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be nice to have a map oriented language? < 1300739732 398559 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a map - data and code < 1300739752 918911 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oerjan: Reload < 1300739759 486336 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300739762 724989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido, map? < 1300739769 765528 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Logs < 1300739774 288081 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-208.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300739779 889628 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1300739800 962742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1300739838 122462 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :concrete map: [0=0;1=1;2=4;3=9] < 1300739840 49272 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody wants to make an HTMLifier, I will not argue with them :P < 1300739853 522768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido, so everything is an associative array? < 1300739883 54460 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, that's one way of phrasing it < 1300739892 383815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido, finite or infinite? < 1300739897 434085 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite! < 1300739906 634233 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant like a map /operation/, not a map /datatype/ < 1300739908 381268 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total functions would be nice < 1300739922 738823 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's turtles (maps) all the way down. < 1300739967 210094 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300739986 335961 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a lazy map: [x<-[0..10000000];x*x] < 1300740041 761135 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still finite because the domain is finite < 1300740077 848694 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks more like a lazy list to me. < 1300740120 522692 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ok, i haven't really settled for a notation < 1300740128 769988 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :notation <- syntax < 1300740150 73542 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's just a notation issue, then I don't understand what that means X-P < 1300740214 311646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the map [x=>x^2] (0 <= x <= 10000000). < 1300740219 207797 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :domain: 0..10000000 : range: x*x < 1300740249 742894 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes - thanks < 1300740307 29554 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300740334 622125 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300740429 176281 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the domain (keys) and range (values) can be maps too. < 1300740468 307846 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, literals are maps in disguise < 1300740482 3553 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be only maps! < 1300740683 680 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, OK, I wasn't getting the syntax. < 1300740683 308193 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done something similar with enchilada- but i like to be more restrictive than enchilada (i.e. finitie maps only) < 1300740709 535215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido, so basically everything is a function from a finite sense? < 1300740711 696257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*set < 1300740763 268180 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1300740803 105361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* that makes it non-TC. < 1300740869 103032 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300740882 914894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.uclassify.com/browse/uClassify/GenderAnalyzer_v5 < 1300740890 803717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the funniest thing ever. < 1300740902 998744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to define maleness of writing as complexity. < 1300740913 94684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i have a penis" is 97% female. < 1300740946 426971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't see why that makes it non-TC. < 1300740968 641749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... it depends. < 1300740999 458986 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: say that you have an recursive function that doesn't terminate < 1300741058 574949 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's imagine an interpreter that takes this same recursive function, together with a user-defined 'number of interpreter steps' < 1300741063 222468 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Seems that all of Hemingway's writing would be classed as female, then. < 1300741066 643313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could still do cons lists. < 1300741069 548053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, OMG YES < 1300741071 901415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Hemingway is 200% male. < 1300741089 791554 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the interpreter reaches the 'number of interpreter steps' it terminates < 1300741109 972505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0=1; 1=[0=2; 1=[0=3; 1=[0=4; 1=[0=5; 1=[0=6; 1= < 1300741121 56835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, QUICK NEED SAMPLE < 1300741168 940062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, Hemingway is 90% female. < 1300741170 217887 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: consing can be done - nice observation < 1300741220 427759 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That this Funge has 80 dimensions" < 1300741243 134414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :string theory funge < 1300741410 72543 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just impressed that I got it to get that far. I had to rewrite a good chunk of the stack routines. They were confused about when they were supposed to allocate new memory for a stack header versus when that memory was already allocated for them. < 1300741484 483051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why are you doing 80-dimensional Funge? < 1300741511 918472 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not. FBBI thinks it interprets an 80-dimensional funge. When you ask it. With 'y'. < 1300741521 354924 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Mycology. < 1300741563 142996 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: how would you give a unique name to a arbitrary block of bytes without hashing (=possible collisions) and without using a central service (thing p2p) < 1300741572 78182 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing <- think < 1300741626 441639 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh - the same block of bytes should map always return the same name < 1300741713 70302 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: I don't think it's possible. < 1300741751 580554 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a perfect hash function would do it. But that's hashing. < 1300741781 675516 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if the blocks are truly arbitrary, the only perfect hash function is identity :) < 1300741827 784305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: incorrect, rot13 is also a perfect hash function < 1300741828 743794 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ok, what about a central service which just increases a counter for each new block that has been issued? < 1300741835 510748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are many compression algorithms < 1300741848 724410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any function with an inverse, really. < 1300741855 408629 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for all inputs) < 1300741898 46095 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we scale the central naming service to log(n) naming services - with n being the number of blocks issued? < 1300741924 858955 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or square(n)? < 1300741943 419144 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dns scales pretty good < 1300741970 162534 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :woroyo < 1300742123 974634 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fine -- the only pefect hash functions are permutations < 1300742137 241160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip is a permutation? < 1300742143 903164 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a COMPRESSING permutation. < 1300742168 443374 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL JAVA: http://www.nupxl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Fail-and-Funny-Names-batman-bin-suparman.jpg < 1300742231 219464 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: There's a large class of bijective functions. < 1300742248 112295 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them aren't, strictly speaking, permutations. < 1300742266 265320 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I'm not allowed to speak the truth. < 1300742292 153456 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which clearly means that you are permitted to speak the truth, but opt not to. < 1300742296 360954 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i want to achieve (function) memoization - not only within one instance of running program - but globally < 1300742304 749492 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: No. < 1300742324 571885 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: Universal memoization is not as good an idea as you may think. < 1300742326 968828 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: no? < 1300742337 540017 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-165.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300742388 794600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, shouldn't compressing a compressed file increase its size? < 1300742398 988298 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300742403 167718 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it doesn't need to be persistent always - just the most used functions (structures) < 1300742405 984224 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not *necessarily*. < 1300742429 189397 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: Automatic memoization is a *hard* problem. < 1300742438 727127 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300742440 208296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: isn't a bijection called a permutation if the set is infinite? < 1300742449 793594 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: compressing a compressed file may not always be possible < 1300742454 480802 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: 'memoization is a *hard* problem' - i like that! < 1300742466 386923 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :one still need to provide a minimum amount of information < 1300742472 435616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, it arguably *shouldn't* be possible given a perfect compression algorithm. < 1300742484 188545 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's no such thing. < 1300742494 381196 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: At least as hard as parallel computing. < 1300742507 361801 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i'm the author of enchilada - i have done some 'experiments' on the subject. < 1300742510 364099 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Information theory discuses the absolute minimums and maximums as relate to compression < 1300742519 491195 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A "perfect" compression algorithm is a bijective mapping from a larger set to a smaller set. < 1300742524 324634 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which is of course impossible. < 1300742527 34048 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a bijection is called a permutation if the set is FINITE < 1300742544 205629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hence I'm defining "perfect" far more fuzzily. < 1300742545 349753 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you usually don't talk about permutations of infinite sets < 1300742554 750296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" are there an interesting 'collection oriented' language that is not apl/j/k?" <<< toi < 1300742565 478719 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is writing a BF compiler using llvm ... should be fun how to use llvm :-)
< 1300742572 798277 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And I define addition to mean fish blue purple flimble boob. < 1300742573 342642 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to get rid of enchilada's cryptographic hashes - but still scale in a distributed setup < 1300742614 662780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's just your toi project < 1300742639 579416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: ?" <<< sometimes one needs to o < 1300742649 854106 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300742651 780851 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300742658 558641 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300742664 540197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300742667 863475 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :|\ < 1300742668 74778 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1300742716 120727 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is there a interesting 'collection oriented' language that is also esoteric ;) < 1300742745 243605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: a bijection is called a permutation if the set is FINITE" <<< i was not aware of this < 1300742766 99903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in group theory, this convention is not always followed < 1300742786 96064 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people speak of permutation representations even for infinite gruplers < 1300742786 860662 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :every bijection of a finite set is always a permutation. < 1300742798 726617 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok yeah, but that's a different sense < 1300742814 403017 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're talking about permutations of structured sets.. groups etc < 1300742826 850880 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "just sets" < 1300742840 464544 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :permutation and bijection are synonyms, but i wouldn't be surprised if people only use it for say up to countable infinity < 1300742854 252775 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean. the former. < 1300742871 68973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" then you're talking about permutations of structured sets.. groups etc" <<< no, sets < 1300742886 409014 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't feel natural to me to call hilbert hotel a permutation for example < 1300742889 336153 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :permutation representation = representing the group as a set of permutations < 1300742897 602625 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a permutation of a set is not itself a set < 1300742898 365652 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a permutation? < 1300742900 598866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1300742906 574546 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, permutation is only when it's a bijection onto itself < 1300742909 833257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean the thing where everything is shifted < 1300742913 604629 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1300742916 598446 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an injection but not a bijection < 1300742922 464413 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course it's not a permutation < 1300742933 750716 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: untruth < 1300742966 822855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the hilbert hotel thing was that you have a sequence indexed by N and you shift it to obtain empty rooms < 1300742992 408079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that a bijection < 1300743009 680995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" btw, permutation is only when it's a bijection onto itself" <<< oh, well this is certainly true < 1300743019 832660 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: imagine Z^2 where (0, c=const) is injected into (c, 0) and (c, v=var) is hilberted vertically < 1300743038 75251 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the empty space is collapsed < 1300743060 420857 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, you're describing a random bijection? < 1300743063 526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what's your point < 1300743073 30929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, bijections exist < 1300743075 14816 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i described a bijection which uses the hilbert hotel principle < 1300743078 775391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :id also works < 1300743090 669363 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show you it's not always an injection < 1300743096 370438 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :without being surjective < 1300743108 143427 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then just shift Z < 1300743154 356354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...a bijection is always injective. < 1300743176 417166 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay, you don't consider self-bijections of even countable sets worthy of the name permutation, that's all you wanted to say i suppose < 1300743222 86025 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he meant using hilbert hotel principle doesn't always give you something that is an injection without being surjective < 1300743229 42918 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't surjectively inject your hilbert hotel principle into the discussion - please! < 1300743265 715430 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if some REALLY complicated and SURPRISING bijections aren't injective? < 1300743273 357943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you really know? < 1300743318 628426 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: A bijection is an injection and a surjection, by definition. < 1300743322 956001 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't just say "they're injective by definition", things don't become true if you define them to be true < 1300743333 56464 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah pikhq_ takes the easy way out < 1300743336 870498 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300743354 434074 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things do become true if we define them to be true. < 1300743368 97099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in the context where it's defined to be true. < 1300743396 866507 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in the theory of CA, we say G is time symmetric if there is an involution I such that G^(-1) = IGI, is this a common concept elsewhere? < 1300743435 941923 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :time-symmetry includes lots of things that consist of particles, for instance, it's an interesting concept < 1300743452 695873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't recall seeing anything exactly like it anywhere < 1300743460 206468 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again what the fuck do i know, that's why i'm asking < 1300743480 880307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :involution? < 1300743489 827140 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah right, next u gonna say the reals are uncountable lol < 1300743499 611156 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry I is an involution if I^2 = id < 1300743508 828394 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where maybe i should've named things differently < 1300743515 482926 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No, I'm going to say the naturals are countable. < 1300743516 156352 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300743516 507026 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can apply it to a CA, I would be surprised if you couldn't apply it to any semantics, with enough effort < 1300743517 389142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know but why not just G^(-1) = IGI^-1 ? < 1300743529 972672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well sure, that works too < 1300743542 616769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um are they equivalent < 1300743558 764959 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1300743568 55211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are equivalent exactly? < 1300743569 320531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS A QUESTION < 1300743574 59318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1300743578 929781 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read "um they are equivalent" < 1300743587 248192 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't see why that definition would be equivalent < 1300743603 24840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why then did you say "that works too" < 1300743607 776708 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the idea is you conjugate with I to get G's complement < 1300743616 803617 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, i meant like "well sure, you can generalize it" < 1300743620 102082 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the word, conjugate < 1300743636 181893 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's looks like a conjugate. oklopol's doesn't. < 1300743643 768962 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know from conjugates < 1300743643 769038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall using the word anti-conjugate or something like that < 1300743689 41165 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.space.com/7044-moon-apollo-astronauts-customs.html < 1300743691 955463 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking customs. < 1300743721 237520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it popped up in one of the basic theorems we looked at, an orbit equivalence with continuous cocycles is always either a conjugation or an anti-conjugation < 1300743725 848499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't recall anything with involutions tho? < 1300743727 601028 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any CA formalism that takes previous (N not just the current) world states as input? < 1300743737 890777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no. < 1300743762 16805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1300743763 241211 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i've only sometimes talked to him and started pulling his boots and kecks off.") well, i'll call is something different, though. < 1300743778 938066 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: no, but those are essentially the same thing < 1300743796 320977 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pulls oklopol's kecks off
< 1300743810 572381 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, i noticed lately that knuth defined some numbers of negative base < 1300743813 750385 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fun < 1300743816 952045 :MUILTFN_!~MLINTH@adsl-80-203-174.mcn.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300743820 300288 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also proved some fun properties about them < 1300743845 774480 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely someone has defined such a construction (running n generations simultaneously), for instance the block representation, that is, remembering neighbors in cells, and higher block representations, compressing blocks of n into single symbols, are used a lot in symbolic dynamics < 1300743852 776378 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, something with which I can describe my bank balance < 1300743879 445685 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in response to cheater-'s comment, but now I want it to have applied to what oklopol just said < 1300743880 823024 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: could such formalism be more powerful - not in a TC sense - but in a 'programming' sense - whatever that means < 1300743893 948307 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any variant of brainfruck that lets the user make syscalls? < 1300743900 730525 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or call external C functions? < 1300743902 845602 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've read more about symbolic dynamics than CA, and in symbolic dynamics, you always just run your CA for exactly one step :) < 1300743912 134359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: mcell has some "ca families" that use memory < 1300743913 22563 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want a brainfuck FFI? < 1300743915 275340 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I don't know, but, yes < 1300743935 356653 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks for the pointer < 1300743937 394047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in theory that just gives a more compact representation < 1300743978 962016 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: well i haven't seen them used, at least < 1300743980 368603 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ? < 1300743990 558138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think) < 1300743991 516981 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: yes < 1300744011 19009 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually, remembering your neighborhood is essentially just what you described, for the shift CA < 1300744012 664894 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300744017 539846 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_base < haha, a practical use of intercal < 1300744031 893898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just generalized one of the key concepts of everything to do with sequences! < 1300744033 796309 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the russians built a computer once that was in balanced ternary < 1300744060 253461 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: i heard of it < 1300744061 315969 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: yes - it was expensive & unstable < 1300744062 957320 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the different values were -1, 0, 1 < 1300744065 82892 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that in the 80s or something < 1300744073 941576 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly earlier, but yeah, expensie & unstable. < 1300744084 976371 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: I already have a practical use of INTERCAL < 1300744090 54658 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it. < 1300744101 839099 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever someone asks me what language to learn first I have a good answer < 1300744105 193818 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-p < 1300744114 836353 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like surreal numbers < 1300744131 161029 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surreal number subsume all numbers < 1300744140 525442 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :number <- numbers < 1300744152 226755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well not _all_ numbers < 1300744155 187482 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the definition of hyperreal numbers < 1300744165 387591 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know their definition < 1300744166 400054 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperreal? ah yeah! < 1300744170 994731 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Index finger -> cat nose is like the human<->cat equivalent of a fist-bump. < 1300744190 599626 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a formal definition of things like dx, dy, 0+, 0-, and so on < 1300744191 616056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic definition doesn't include complex numbers, although you can probably complete it < 1300744196 544643 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: i know that < 1300744208 6059 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based off sequences. < 1300744208 239818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i doubt it includes p-adics < 1300744208 450143 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also know astrophysics is about space and stuff < 1300744226 529149 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sex is about doing things under the blanket < 1300744228 916963 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's all u need < 1300744239 323518 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for quaternions < 1300744244 607562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they do indeed include real numbers and transfinite ordinals < 1300744272 541061 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't surreals meant to make the real line as long as humanly possible < 1300744274 170940 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or biquaternions < 1300744297 916515 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: yeah i know the usual definition is based on ultrafilters < 1300744305 195474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm not sure that was the original motivation... < 1300744325 187981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but including ordinals does pretty much ensure that < 1300744338 817636 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chc60.fgcu.edu/images/articles/Marczynski.pdf < lol cool!! < 1300744340 650341 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :check it out < 1300744356 836026 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM made out of acoustically induced mercury. wtf? < 1300744357 303648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1300744367 17621 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1300744382 158306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :liquidated memory < 1300744440 377641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: that's all u need" <<< you know how fucking annoying it is when people learn about hyperreals and suddenly they can do their calculus without thinking altogether because "hey, this can be made formal, stick that epsilon up your ass!" < 1300744457 985553 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300744461 286272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll tell ya: slightly. < 1300744467 247385 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why is it annoying < 1300744491 522458 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is it because you wish you had learnt about it earlier? < 1300744500 868837 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's like saying "hey, there is a god, therefore i don't have to think about the details" < 1300744508 133093 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all they have learned is the term hyperreal < 1300744508 417112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what's the problem with using hyperreals over limits? < 1300744521 536464 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nothing, but no one ever uses them < 1300744537 115800 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so what you mean is that people learn about hyperreals and suddenly they THINK they can do their calculus without thinking altogether < 1300744545 65659 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: rite < 1300744547 358322 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300744564 869901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: yes < 1300744571 887395 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1300744572 943922 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's different. < 1300744579 767792 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you'd better be sorry < 1300744582 924711 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :beg for forgiveness.. < 1300744585 762805 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1300744587 92244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :equal rites < 1300744591 826467 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i am very sorry. < 1300744602 70646 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sorry? < 1300744608 354647 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, quite? < 1300744615 972035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we bought a whiteboard today < 1300744617 484390 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300744617 824780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's finnish. he's sorry by definition. < 1300744620 260316 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess quite is ok. < 1300744626 854653 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hahah < 1300744672 936590 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently hyperreals make calculus rather nice and intuitive < 1300744678 515103 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen a few examples < 1300744681 474745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of using them < 1300744687 523860 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300744709 421221 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they make gabriel's horn make any more sense? < 1300744722 816067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's gabriel's horn? < 1300744727 488748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll wp < 1300744736 10105 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it's just that you said "nice and intuitive" and "calculus" in the same sentence, and that's the first thing I thought of < 1300744745 833634 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "horn of gabriel" iirc < 1300744763 563473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's that retarded thing < 1300744839 441338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the integral from 1 to infinity of 1/x, isn't it? < 1300744869 934537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300744872 854960 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an infinite object with finite volume but infinite surface area, or vice versa, I forget which. < 1300744882 304064 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's really unintuitive that the infinite line is infinitely long, but that part under it is finite < 1300744887 356227 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite area < 1300744891 52006 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinte volume < 1300744901 292158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, wrong way 'round. < 1300744919 28601 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you have to rotate it 2pi to make the "paradox" slightly less ridiculous < 1300745007 806145 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/2pi/tau/ < 1300745067 158230 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Calculus gets some pretty surprising *results*, though many of the concepts actually do make some intuitive sense. < 1300745092 549454 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: tau? < 1300745093 334055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you can create similarly weird things even easier with fractals. < 1300745133 671310 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: tau=2pi < 1300745153 927338 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fractal based esoteric language? < 1300745156 882528 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: since when? < 1300745169 856625 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gabriel's horn is not weird) < 1300745170 912584 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how is it unintuitive? < 1300745176 524216 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'living on the edge' which is infinite < 1300745180 776285 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: it's not, i was being sarcastic < 1300745182 22587 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what about the idea of filling a square with a curve? < 1300745189 160272 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300745194 60255 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: now that's slightly surprising < 1300745203 540896 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least was for me back in the day < 1300745220 161700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: Recent proposal of an alternate circle constant, which is a bit more elegant. < 1300745225 174853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE: I'M FINE WITH YOU BEING AMAZED AT HILBERT'S SPACE-FILLING CURVE < 1300745232 978189 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my intuition is that if i take a DIN A4 white page of paper and try to make it completely black with just a ball pen, it will take so much time i will FAIL < 1300745250 710895 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: is that like New Math < 1300745301 264913 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math < 1300745303 821110 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-233.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300745310 388968 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: for your benefit: OH WOW < 1300745311 959395 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Algebra preface of his book "Precalculus Mathematics in a Nutshell," Professor George F. Simmons wrote that the New Math produced students who had "heard of the commutative law, but did not know the multiplication table." < 1300745314 326594 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300745317 307351 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wikipedia agrees with me! < 1300745323 889937 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the ratio of a circle's circumference to its radius makes more sense when we don't care about the diameter. < 1300745325 880661 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no it don't < 1300745329 151884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido, well, there were the Sierpiński numbers... < 1300745414 428446 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: aaah, a new number system to learn....... how many are there? < 1300745427 987855 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncountably many. < 1300745432 240991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido, it's countably infinite. < 1300745433 814720 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitpic.com/3nt8eh/full Hilbert Curve bomber in Core War :-) < 1300745435 398653 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< rapido> is there a fractal based esoteric language? <-- I know there were a few that got to the "planning" stage, but I don't know of any complete ones < 1300745440 758148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really. < 1300745443 60497 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck at the "Examples" < 1300745449 350405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's uncountable, actually. < 1300745466 265589 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-176-85.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300745475 462835 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like infinite/uncountable stuff - but hey - i'' make an exception < 1300745476 590662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there a fractal based esoteric language? <-- i'm pretty sure there was one but i don't remember the name < 1300745538 838373 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know calamari wanted to make one. And I have a half-idea for one. And you could make an argument that anything based on a tree has self-similarity and whatever < 1300745547 421964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido, well, just restrict it to finite strings. < 1300745556 803968 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only known proofs of the undecidability of the reversibility of CA in dimensions greater than 1 are based on the hilbert curve < 1300745604 705517 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaik at least) < 1300745626 999736 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat's CA? < 1300745631 557855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automaton < 1300745633 110698 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning, if, given an arbitrary CA, if you could decide whether it was reversible or not, you could solve the HP? < 1300745643 509963 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what? < 1300745644 843886 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300745655 228396 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is that what you mean by "the undecidability of the reversibility of CA"? < 1300745668 42059 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reduction is from the tiling problem < 1300745675 816225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, given a set of wang tiles, is there a tiling of the plane < 1300745676 263323 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP: Hilbert Problem? < 1300745678 150977 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i asked < 1300745689 412670 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP=halting problem < 1300745697 329524 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's the problem of deciding, given a CA, whether it is invertible < 1300745703 987085 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh halting problem, sorry < 1300745712 247916 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it means exactly that < 1300745715 84983 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300745723 834576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought HP was hilbert curve :D < 1300745727 779560 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i read it as HC < 1300745739 407399 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEXT TIME I WILL TYPE THE P MORE CLEARLY < 1300745743 875264 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1300745757 306000 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like reversible languages: enchilada is reversible (modulo hash collisions) < 1300745822 459770 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't the Halting Problem - essentially Hilbert's Problem? < 1300745826 801075 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is sad that no one asked for details :'(
< 1300745837 268945 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: well not really < 1300745850 698913 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least one of his great problems turned out to be undecidable < 1300745886 681034 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1300745895 881225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one about diophantine equations < 1300745898 767402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1300745913 508009 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yeah. < 1300745919 640388 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the exact problem was, i do not remember, however < 1300745926 169331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably whether they have solutions < 1300746083 450739 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this with matrix multiplication?- that the most optimum algorithm for general kxk * kxk multiplication is cannot be algorithmically be constructed? (Ω(k^2logk) and this has to do with group theory? < 1300746126 597940 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not following you < 1300746202 898322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300746249 941203 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot find an optimal (generic) matrix multiplication algorithm for an arbitrary size of matrices < 1300746276 191817 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that somehow seems unsurprising < 1300746290 907504 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for time-reversibility you get a fun characterization: the time-reversible CA are exactly the ones that are the composition of two involutions < 1300746299 575761 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is of course rather clear from the definition < 1300746300 837612 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i find it rather surprising < 1300746398 836786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really comment on rapido's statement without knowing more details, with my definition of the concepts, that is trivially true: there is always a faster algorithm < 1300746430 743886 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah.. I never go a good idea on how to make a fractal language.. I wanted it all to fit together perfectly, rther than feeling tacked on < 1300746441 802597 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you referring to the speedup theorem? yeah, but i never understood that one, either < 1300746452 168894 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey calamari < 1300746498 269649 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not a simple thing to design well... i certainly haven't gotten very far with my idea, and it's not even a very ambitious interpretation < 1300746513 779235 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: what should be the ingredients of a good fractal language? < 1300746514 744263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the speedup theorem is a rather trivial consequence of the fact we can add arbitrarily many states to our turing machines, and that we can have arbitrarily big alphabets < 1300746532 714480 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also felt it needed to provide a bit of data creation.. what I mean is like mandelbrot where it's self-similar but not exactly < 1300746545 644892 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just compress the given word to say 1/1000000 of its original size, and do computation 1000000 times faster < 1300746555 588521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can fit 1000000 symbols in one cell < 1300746560 900721 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by having a bigger alphabet < 1300746576 264759 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would we recognize pi if it were in base 31? < 1300746583 756719 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that all. i got the impression it was much more profound than that. < 1300746607 334829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine your cs lecturer has succesfully hidden the fact the speedup theorem is fucking obvious by adding tons of details before mentioning the general idea. < 1300746612 498588 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why base 31? < 1300746637 862056 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: because 31 is insignificant :) < 1300746665 418112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there are very profound things that have to do with speeding things up, but this is certainly not one of them < 1300746672 545836 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they ever figure out how to convert that arbitrary digit algorithm to base 10? < 1300746687 440616 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did they decide it wasn't possible? < 1300746750 79960 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a speed-up theorem that says something like, if you have a computable function f, then there exists a recursive language L such that for any algorithm you make for it, there exists another algorithm that is f(n) times faster on an input of size n < 1300746762 494533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in the limit < 1300746765 894410 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something crazy like that < 1300746794 443377 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! - what about memoization of numbers and functions (that produce numbers), irrespective of base? < 1300746808 325199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" would we recognize pi if it were in base 31?" <<< no < 1300746836 499181 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bases up to 100424 have been tried. but maybe 100425 does it, you could be a pioneer. < 1300746875 621645 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a complex base? < 1300746893 283946 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we actually just had a lecture series about the expansions of constants < 1300746899 219448 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try base e < 1300746917 935829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think we know anything about pi < 1300746926 392659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey%E2%80%93Borwein%E2%80%93Plouffe_formula#The_search_for_new_equalities is a little confusing < 1300746929 59696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e has a rather simple continued fraction < 1300746944 537367 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol so does pi < 1300746981 548873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i left that kinda open < 1300746999 95075 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever, i don't recall the details < 1300747009 458958 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i... < 1300747021 609451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but pi doesn't have a rather simple simple continued fraction < 1300747037 474 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best compression of pi is to recognize it in disguise. < 1300747037 126145 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it converges horribly.. but it's simple :) < 1300747068 468170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: note, two "simple" there < 1300747080 415451 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simple to understand, but it's not simple to work with, at least it doesn't help for the that particular lecturer was using the digits < 1300747085 714848 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me look up the sequence < 1300747087 683124 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1300747091 998834 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can point out the complication < 1300747099 977864 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently simple is a specific math term < 1300747101 718261 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe you can calculate the n'th digit of pi without calculating it's previous digits? < 1300747112 707040 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalized continued fraction < 1300747129 668837 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: yes, hex digit < 1300747135 716519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: in binary, what we're talking about is whether you can do it in base 10 or so < 1300747157 519271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that section i linked may or may not imply that base 3 is known... < 1300747213 981858 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You'll be happy* to know that FBBI makes it to the end of Mycology, now, with "only" 9 BADs. (*Feel free to substitute the emotion of your choice here.) < 1300747234 983280 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1300747245 245477 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm finding a very weird continued fraction for pi < 1300747249 869099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was rather simple < 1300747260 431250 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ...but pi doesn't have a rather simple simple continued fraction" < 1300747261 577311 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300747308 982724 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea for a fractal language < 1300747322 683896 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you zoom in to the border < 1300747357 425793 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'result' of your specified program will be more and more accurate < 1300747382 341715 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never reach the 'ultimate' solution of your algorithm < 1300747387 176088 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: just be sure that it is capable of writing a fractal encryption code unbreakable by the borg.. otherwise the future of humanity is put at risk < 1300747389 984996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1300747392 135581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300747393 141036 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rather simple simple simple continued fractal < 1300747413 569244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300747414 128170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the littlewood conjecture is true for all pairs (e, x), since the continued fraction representation of e contains arbitrarily large numbers < 1300747434 979452 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw: the algorithm specification is also nearing the optimal algorithm - but not quite - fractal wise < 1300747493 409625 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm - let me iterate on that < 1300747508 208454 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(s,n)=s/n+f(-s,n+2) is not a continued fraction, but it is rather simple < 1300747551 78259 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know continued fractions (vaguely from uni) < 1300747567 585867 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like them. they wet their nests < 1300747568 685006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know very little about them < 1300747574 869318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hasn't elliott been here in a while? < 1300747586 200041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: um do you have your precedence right there < 1300747591 933882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he left in a huff < 1300747603 417641 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i... think so? < 1300747623 504396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(s,n)=(s/n)+f(-s,n+2) ? < 1300747641 952806 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... does / not come before +? < 1300747660 996083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in most PLs i am familiar with < 1300747664 277758 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we being concatenative? < 1300747693 663354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usually the same precedence as * < 1300747693 897609 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1300747694 95946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1300747698 48561 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1300747698 270405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1300747715 162583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/2+3 < 1300747715 359394 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hello < 1300747715 359455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: help tell < 1300747715 775938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.5 < 1300747729 866120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most definitely not in haskell < 1300747762 861411 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/2)+3 < 1300747763 576968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.5 < 1300747772 711003 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1/2+3 = (1/2)+3 < 1300747777 899975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300747779 787183 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so / comes before + < 1300747800 179626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: um i thought you were disagreeing with my adding parentheses above? < 1300747809 520308 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so s/n+f() = (s/n)+f() < 1300747816 738132 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why did you add parens? < 1300747820 717451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"comes before" is not a term i can understand clearly < 1300747826 578635 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is evaluated before < 1300747841 849129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: because you were talking about continued fractions and they use a/(b+c) < 1300747854 733640 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also said it was not a continued fraction < 1300747865 269654 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a recurrence < 1300747867 192502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL RIGHT THEN < 1300747867 641674 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a precedence and parentheses - you don't have that 'problem' with 'concatenate' languages (or apl/k/j) < 1300747868 1699 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's pi/4 < 1300747887 522652 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFUSION REIGNS. ALL HAIL THE OMNIGOAT < 1300747942 898280 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this means we need an esolang where the precedence varies in a difficult-to-predict way < 1300747947 932455 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly depending on the values involved < 1300747953 5271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: also in haskell "is evaluated before" is rather distinct from precedence >:) < 1300747973 877249 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*omni🐐 < 1300747978 129943 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, yeah < 1300748005 919674 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, evaluation order is distinct from precedence in many, perhaps most languages. < 1300748007 22228 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in haskell 'is evaluated whenever' is rather not related to precedence ;) < 1300748015 644040 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :P < 1300748033 524696 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of hard to evaluate what x+3 is without first evaluating x, though < 1300748036 240204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course this means we need an esolang where the precedence varies in a difficult-to-predict way <-- i think oklopol had something like that < 1300748036 482558 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while now i've been trying to make a language where every little change in the program changes EVERYTHING, yet somehow you can program in the language < 1300748048 591742 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no locality. what i tried to do with toi, but failed < 1300748056 832071 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah cise < 1300748060 416208 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300748062 232778 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: But it's easy to evaluate x+y*z in the order x->y->z instead of y->z->x < 1300748064 703292 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i like x to be free - let us be free < 1300748078 713263 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1300748079 397825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cise, there's no precedence, the first correct parse is used < 1300748083 82587 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yeah < 1300748096 94746 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you have - reference - to ..... toi ? < 1300748099 442676 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :url ? < 1300748117 824950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: it should be on the wiki < 1300748124 797291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, oklopol is fundamentally opposed to revealing his languages in anything other than irc babbling < 1300748130 100950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :an oklopol quality article, i'm sure < 1300748141 648989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, i'm pretty sure toi has an article? < 1300748163 909383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: DON'T LET YOUR PUNY FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF MY STEREOTYPING < 1300748165 478662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally a wiki-using grown up nowadays < 1300748167 132201 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on *the* wiki? < 1300748172 74041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the wiki, yes < 1300748178 945478 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry didn't realize you were a total noob lol :PPPPp < 1300748184 699119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolang wiki < 1300748187 559251 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-233.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300748193 407694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-87.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300748216 923372 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toi (the name means nothing < 1300748262 486559 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't believe it. It's short for T(ower of Han)oi < 1300748268 393486 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brackets have to match, otherwise everything's a legal program ????? < 1300748270 653277 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, that's what I always think of, when I read it < 1300748297 186234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300748306 447519 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's entirely true .DS < 1300748329 583933 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it is < 1300748351 398379 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1300748418 76476 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'(A{B}' is a type of for-each. For each s in S the Toi program A is run with s as the context. < 1300748442 243576 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context concept is a bit underdeveloped (documentation wise) < 1300748466 404780 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :each run of a toi program has a context, that just means you recursively call the interpreter with another context < 1300748485 118094 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was clear but yeah i guess it's a weird way to explain things < 1300748510 104994 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "the toi program A is run with s as the initial context" < 1300748531 947329 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, all that drama over a bot? < 1300748635 782179 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who is Herobrine? wait, I forgot -- I don't really care < 1300748647 199539 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening, folks. < 1300748650 832740 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. < 1300748654 616195 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300748713 39971 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is in CET timezone? : +00 hours here in the Netherlands - morning folks - later < 1300748740 810182 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1300749023 965769 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklolol: what do you find ultrafilters are most useful for? < 1300749094 601397 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: what's an ultrafilter? < 1300749131 70728 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : cheater-: yeah i know the usual definition is based on ultrafilters < 1300749135 222586 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :UH HUH < 1300749137 682168 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do know that < 1300749139 506802 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's using big words < 1300749179 441503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, just before that you said they are based on sequences < 1300749195 86266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, i'm sure you know what sequences are < 1300749198 90777 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequences are not a big word < 1300749198 818329 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300749200 154223 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think that's relevant < 1300749204 179964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, at all < 1300749216 934832 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the point i was making < 1300749219 707315 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think sequences are irrelevant to hyperreals? < 1300749235 345170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ultrafilters are some kind of sequences, i assumed you meant them but didn't know the big word < 1300749253 314944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrafilters are not sequences < 1300749260 929854 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas i talked to this prof once who does nonstandard analysis and i managed to copypaste a pretty cool word. < 1300749277 314356 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh? what were they then? < 1300749285 757935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even nets, although they are related a bit < 1300749285 877659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this really vague recall < 1300749302 147489 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's so vague i can't really put it into words < 1300749310 276607 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i meant sequences. < 1300749310 510434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about the natural numbers and somthing < 1300749311 431727 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ultrapower construction < 1300749311 684188 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are going to construct a hyperreal field via sequences of reals. In fact we can add and multiply sequences componentwise; for example: < 1300749312 515778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1300749320 764131 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and so on) < 1300749325 715695 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrapower construction :D < 1300749330 81418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty awesome < 1300749336 123662 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreal_number < read here < 1300749342 846154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i won't < 1300749350 177691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU read it < 1300749356 728086 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think landen or zeno linked me to an old article about that somewhere on the net < 1300749359 194763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ultrafilter in X is a family of subsets of X such that (1) for every subset of X, either it or its complement is a member (2) a superset of a member is a member < 1300749363 227883 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ? < 1300749365 851156 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1300749367 600617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1300749370 825738 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you like being aggressive or something < 1300749376 637359 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it was < 1300749385 432681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :equivalently, it's a maximal filter < 1300749386 708488 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: no i don't know what i'm doing < 1300749394 187280 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you on drugs < 1300749396 813837 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really you should not listen to anything i say unless you're in a similar state of mind < 1300749398 648077 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300749404 471437 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should be then < 1300749410 91487 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1300749412 851002 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300749414 150870 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1300749416 379505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i suppose < 1300749416 596294 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1300749428 420284 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been diagnosed < 1300749431 543261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm (3) the intersection of two members is a member. i think. < 1300749444 686625 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was rather thinking of you getting some weed to help with the jitteriness < 1300749459 441803 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess you can get the medical kind too < 1300749459 962640 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300749461 61636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that's redundant < 1300749479 996432 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay how do you use them? also that's a pretty cool set < 1300749490 22237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one damn cool set to say the least < 1300749502 690848 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it is < 1300749518 714904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a non-principal ultrafilter is one that isn't just the supersets of a fixed point. < 1300749557 741487 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1300749565 381891 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1300749568 439828 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1300749571 641461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires the axiom of choice to find < 1300749573 771411 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1300749597 618287 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :principal = cyclic = generated by one thing, usually, here it means we just look at one element to know whether the set is in the ultrafilter < 1300749603 650300 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1300749608 298911 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :principal ultrafilter is that < 1300749625 25891 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is obvious that the S or S^c is in the ultrafilter < 1300749635 28758 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-the < 1300749638 477692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ for all sets S < 1300749661 2446 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't the consequent iterations of the cantor set an ultrafilter < 1300749707 498055 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it, even though i don't understand it < 1300749725 962502 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1300749727 199291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterations implies countable, and cantor set implies uncountable space < 1300749729 417447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's a consequent iteration < 1300749737 701330 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the first iteration, second iteration, etc < 1300749757 741987 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those put together as a family of sets would make an ultrafilter, no? < 1300749782 210507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean when you take away the middle, then the middle of each interval of that, etc? < 1300749785 215358 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ultrafilters are rather fucking big in uncountable spaces so that obviously cannot happen < 1300749819 736702 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that's not what he meant < 1300749821 944442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, no, that's not an ultrafilter, not even a filter although you can make one by adding supersets < 1300749847 878101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter = closed under supersets and closed under finite meets or what? < 1300749851 991439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1300749857 151426 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda mixing up terminology there < 1300749860 301514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i think < 1300749872 354689 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Introduction < 1300749872 562001 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notion of I -ultrafilter was introduced in Baumgartner [1995]: Let I be a family of < 1300749872 785552 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :subsets of a set X such that I contains all singletons and is closed under subsets. Given a free < 1300749872 785604 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrafilter U on ω, we say that U is an I -ultrafilter if for any F : ω → X there is A ∈ U such < 1300749872 785631 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that F [A] ∈ I . < 1300749872 931676 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baumgartner defined in his article discrete ultrafilters, scattered ultrafilters, measure zero < 1300749875 149762 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrafilters and nowhere dense ultrafilters which he obtained by taking X = 2ω , the Cantor set, < 1300749876 994397 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I the collection of discrete sets, scattered sets, sets with closure of measure zero, nowhere < 1300749878 915645 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dense sets respectively. < 1300749906 783078 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems he's constructing ultrafilters from the cantor set somehow < 1300749960 349341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the cantor set is the whole space, i take < 1300749962 312602 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's too late for me to understand the details :D < 1300749975 347243 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm yeah probably < 1300750008 20126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's omega there < 1300750019 91953 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a set that's really big? < 1300750032 56699 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:K61LyUFCLG0J:home.zcu.cz/~flaskova/research/MArevised.pdf+cantor+set+ultrafilter&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjixG3WoyeYkUp79ujAGyHYhuM0avEL0uWdPbKyIkndXxySqzxUjkOB1S7WvUBXj-LDrrgwZD8PsqdycbHBuBbqP6YjjvWYvnYwAZQLD5DWfm7Xle-Ha_OcV-qTFCVP4DHI80SN&sig=AHIEtbQZCLkVGCtAe7rB005CWzF7DPbnlQ < 1300750063 199611 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i would love to know too oklopol < 1300750081 637500 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fear this secret might end up never being revealed < 1300750101 274133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless oerjan bothers to tell us lowly noobs what it means < 1300750122 509045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case i think non-principal ultrafilters definitely require the axiom of choice < 1300750174 467492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think "every filter has a larger ultrafilter" is probably equivalent to AoC) < 1300750218 324392 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrafiltersssssssssssssssssssssssssssss < 1300750683 337350 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw is it a xor, like exactly one of S and S^c is in the ultrafilter? < 1300750704 508639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i totally just realized that's kinda important < 1300750918 328098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. otherwise the empty set would be a member and that's disallowed for filters < 1300751007 557331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is indeed true < 1300751015 307933 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one man :DDDDD < 1300751187 570639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm isn't an ultrafilter just a filter you can't add any elements to < 1300751202 314754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1300751210 216563 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's enough to show an increasing union of filters is a filter < 1300751212 826784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm < 1300751217 341763 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's obvious, but lemme check < 1300751222 63028 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1300751229 493150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's easy with zorn's lemma < 1300751235 976944 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300751256 396155 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obvious that union of filters is a filter < 1300751270 210448 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah zorn's lemma is what i need the increasing unions for < 1300751271 819700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*increasing < 1300751302 171211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i said so a few lines above and i was too busy to write that complicated word a second time < 1300751331 323474 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm not sure it's at all obvious that the union of filters in general is a filter < 1300751343 495858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly because that's not true < 1300751374 924412 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" equivalently, it's a maximal filter" <<< whoops < 1300751375 613099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'D THINK < 1300751395 711664 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not true, i'm pretty sure < 1300751408 937661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...just take two different principal ones < 1300751421 269923 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's why i'm pretty sure < 1300751442 86675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i had just proven it by taking two different principal filters < 1300751452 489066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1300751462 955549 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well seriously < 1300751489 290713 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not nearly as stupid as i look < 1300751540 226662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1300751556 890040 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1300751571 771845 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit it's 2 am < 1300751619 765687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had one of those practise tennis balls < 1300751639 364301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ball that you can throw against the wall without a sound being made our of this event < 1300751642 538346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*out < 1300751725 969307 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i could throw it against the wall from morning till dawn < 1300752695 355782 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300753228 596533 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300753812 433640 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300753952 575976 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300754075 649823 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300754190 998027 :MUILTFN_!~MLINTH@adsl-80-203-174.mcn.bellsouth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300754286 984630 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062230.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300754478 638665 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054134.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300755410 717152 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-107.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300755459 775856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-87.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300755531 818702 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300755586 701311 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300755720 545418 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1300755729 873634 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur! < 1300755735 427514 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1300755751 525653 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D > 1300756984 962872 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300757003 160486 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300757418 210550 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.17/20110121150729] < 1300757585 656425 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1300757592 98171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really be sleeping < 1300757614 737563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Me too. Good night. < 1300757803 931239 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-231-107.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300757810 635906 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-177-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300758701 488561 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300758857 869968 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300759320 406 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300759411 164098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-177-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that apple cider (the fermented beverage) is fucking delicious.
< 1300759732 879896 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300759845 352698 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-89.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In light of it being my 21st soon, I seem to be getting inundated with various alcoholic beverages. < 1300759856 726093 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-89.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No all-American pisswater yet, thankfully. < 1300759902 48298 :MUILTFN_!~MLINTH@adsl-80-230-210.mcn.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300759914 825759 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-177-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300760445 860905 :MUILTFN_!~MLINTH@adsl-80-230-210.mcn.bellsouth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300760517 324000 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcohol is extremely overrated < 1300760591 595060 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300760875 840381 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-89.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't understand the appeal in cheap alcoholic swill.
< 1300760945 35988 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300760951 776518 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I don't understand the appeal of any of it.. tastes nasty < 1300760974 960806 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-89.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decent alcoholic beverages are fucking delicious. < 1300760991 456509 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so < 1300761019 434660 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-89.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the effects of alcohol? Yeah, I don't really understand the appeal.] < 1300761119 274691 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-89.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just a freak that likes thought. :P < 1300762380 132107 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300762382 883574 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300762426 542010 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point you have to draw a line *shrugs* < 1300762435 979066 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody says "I don't like Coke because of its trace amounts of alcohol" < 1300762465 147653 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the kind of people who put more trust into small, obsolete books than common sense of course. < 1300762593 424231 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a large group of obsolete books... < 1300762661 441933 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300762664 20149 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The books themselves are frequently small :P < 1300762683 422898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the Song of Soloman on the bus < 1300762708 906314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't as dirty as I thought it would be. Not really for kids, but nothing too graphic < 1300762722 9525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did seem incentual though < 1300762772 937805 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300762969 948662 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If (IF!) I offered to change my name to Mallory Caitor if I got more than $1,000 in donations and won libc.so, would more people donate? :P < 1300762980 870350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I see something online saying it's a bad translation < 1300762986 886475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, low battery < 1300763759 359611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300763801 961517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1300764668 150401 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300765079 530395 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-89.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious. The current government in Canada has been found in contempt of Parliament. < 1300765081 892423 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300765082 585878 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1300765082 585943 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1300765200 247982 :woroyo_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300765249 702322 :woroyo_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wareya < 1300765390 941124 :woroyo!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300765631 373057 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300765681 150650 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300765713 951027 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300765749 825249 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300767132 120243 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300767137 734154 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-174-40.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300767439 530380 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300767462 868457 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-174-40.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300768054 483851 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say you wanted to, purely for the curiosity, create a system which would remain active for the remainder of your life, capable of serving a web page (or equivalent) which simply reports its uptime, AND capable of being upgraded to meet new standards so long as the upgrades require only software changes. < 1300768060 392988 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you go about that? < 1300768100 947796 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that it doesn't need to be Internet- or otherwise network-accessible at all times, as that's probably wildly out of your control, but you should strive to make it so most of the time. < 1300768215 216262 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would design it using a microcontroller that is likely never ever going to cease use. < 1300768222 717755 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, a z80. < 1300768279 747020 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that matter? The Z80 isn't more /stable/ than, say, a commodity x86, and you can never replace the processor anyway. < 1300768289 457875 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "remain active for the remainder of your life" I mean 100% uptime. < 1300768305 740702 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I didn't make that clear :P ) < 1300768369 377994 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. In that case I'd fucking hand-design something with wire wrapping. < 1300768380 740248 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, good luck upgrading that software. < 1300768395 947573 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, unless you're taking advantage of a loophole in my description and putting everything in hardware :P < 1300768402 98873 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nothing requires software changes, therefore win" < 1300768420 95635 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said anything about software? :) < 1300768444 129007 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AND capable of being upgraded to meet new standards so long as the upgrades require only software changes." // I did :P < 1300768530 52885 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I never *said* it couldn't be an actual CPU. < 1300768549 811764 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It' < 1300768557 347630 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but if it is then that just leads back to " Uhh, good luck upgrading that software." < 1300768577 98920 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it would be difficult. < 1300768609 532339 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: for your logging bot: make sure it doesn't join an auto-kline channel < 1300768636 974735 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: It can only join a channel due either to an /invite or a glogbot-op request. < 1300768649 30470 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that wire-wrapping together digital circuitry will result in *exceptionally* reliable system. < 1300768652 367728 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: k cool < 1300768698 666624 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/SecureTips --> is pure win. < 1300768699 9622 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes I've said this here before :-p < 1300768727 191694 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you also make the memory be, say, magnetic core, it should survive just about everything but someone actually bombing it. < 1300768872 993507 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your reliable power source? < 1300768945 250712 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I doubt I, personally, would be able to find one easily, if I could, I'd get an RTG. < 1300768991 493835 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: if I neeeded 100% uptime I'd go for redundancy over reliability < 1300769084 754546 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redundancy IS reliability when all redundant sources are taken as a whole. < 1300769128 990483 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I meant: I'd go for a larger number of more fallible parts opposed to more expensive/fewer less fallible parts < 1300769146 823424 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie - spend time making more of them work than making those that work work better < 1300769166 487668 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmm, so you're making a cluster. < 1300769177 773289 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or something broadly in that family) < 1300769194 245923 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes. < 1300769216 388120 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooo... Make a hard-to-notice botnet that does Trusting Trust on pretty much all future computer and OS designs. >:D < 1300769229 984497 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1300769230 577365 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet shall be my cluster! < 1300769268 66010 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ANYBODY WHO HASN'T DONATED TO THE LIBC.SO FUND BY SUNDAY SHALL BE DECLARED A TRAITOR < 1300769274 978387 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRAITORRRRRRRR < 1300769292 894669 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Trusting Trust can be beaten < 1300769295 662659 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This means that almost the entire population of the Earth will be traitors as of Sunday) < 1300769310 938934 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Yes, but it's pretty hard to. < 1300769322 574118 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so is the trusting trust attack :-p < 1300769343 612325 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Oh, I've already proposed a fucking universal botnet. < 1300769357 208371 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: It's not like this is all that *practical*. :) < 1300769385 763855 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *cough*SETI*cough* < 1300769390 872152 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: btw, since when are there instant-kline channels ... < 1300769421 889539 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ooooh*. < 1300769422 327238 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#klineannoyinguser < 1300769533 464523 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow. < 1300769618 77420 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume that the auto-kline channels do not, in fact, exist, so even if Freenode didn't have an only-ops-can-invite default AND allowed people to invite others to join channels they're not on, /invite wouldn't work < 1300769980 923765 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300770078 183947 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300770093 530607 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, do not exist in the sense that they are not actual channels (not in /list, can't be /invited etc), not that they won't actually trigger kline. < 1300770096 872190 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zleep* < 1300770265 125509 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-224.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300770577 168127 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I assume it's, say, #porn < 1300770596 325563 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: its not like that < 1300770609 179413 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the type of channels botnets typically join < 1300770629 929645 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, with different sigils? < 1300770694 769581 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I won't give exact examples: but it is not a channel one is likely to join accidentally. < 1300770721 275101 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :its something like #m33tupForMySillyBotNet4934892489 < 1300770750 590184 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300771043 682578 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-224.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone < 1300771181 11020 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300771281 602060 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300771373 78090 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300771974 29148 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello wittykitty < 1300772018 198922 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-224.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjour invariable < 1300772206 998902 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ello. < 1300772235 660342 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-224.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1300772248 572841 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How farest thou? < 1300772284 917429 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-224.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ok....? < 1300772286 350453 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-224.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300772306 273552 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Twould seem to be a good thing, that. < 1300772308 323549 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300772353 895202 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-224.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how are you < 1300772365 290469 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing rather well this evening. < 1300772380 955931 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300772399 392879 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have discovered the problem with modern image compression < 1300772404 845155 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh? < 1300772414 187962 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :naive compression does it row-by-row < 1300772427 260775 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :advanced algorithms might do more at once, but are fundamentally row-based < 1300772437 417884 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely true. < 1300772441 344888 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes it impossible to compress infinite images properly < 1300772452 51791 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a diagonal algorithm can compress an infinite image < 1300772461 749223 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typical lossy image compression scheme is actually submatrix by submatrix. < 1300772478 306411 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300772507 134246 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how are those submatrices ordered? < 1300772528 788717 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1300772535 707553 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way you'll compress an infinite image like that < 1300772559 714736 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no real reason that they need to have a particular order; they're handled entirely independently of every other submatrix. < 1300772574 714054 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least until you get into more advanced techniques. < 1300772614 374035 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the problem with image processing today < 1300772625 162382 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my case < 1300772652 438473 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hypothetically you *could* just treat the entire image as a single matrix and perform the DCT on *that*... < 1300772669 287030 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that involves an infinite number of infinite summations. < 1300772672 113668 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder* < 1300772717 223221 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then multiplying it by another infinite matrix for the sake of quantising it. < 1300772720 687687 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*double-shudder* < 1300773006 317969 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-186-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though after all *that*, it's a simple matter to output the infinite matrix into an infinite bitstream. < 1300773057 139452 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-224.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PART :#esoteric < 1300773581 87088 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300773678 269586 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300774515 550889 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300774780 923125 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300774878 263034 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:cheater99!~cheater@g231050201.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300797801 236508 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300798769 900182 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must I continue to assume competence on ##javascript X_X < 1300798806 698816 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300798861 740235 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: glutton for punishment: 1. (idiomatic) One persistent in an effort in spite of harmful or unpleasant results. "I should have quit this job long ago, but I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment." < 1300798888 357750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what happened? < 1300798897 63284 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132136.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300798921 729289 :cheater00!~cheater@g229030235.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300799153 939862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, competent JavaScript programmers exist < 1300799159 835774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just that they don't hang out on Freenode? < 1300799170 915777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that ##javascript is sufficiently competence-hostile that all the competent people were driven away? < 1300799505 469652 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps this was just a case of mistakenly assuming competence \forall, when competence just \exists. < 1300799890 869788 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1300800188 607483 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300800198 937538 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300800210 264628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:22] * oerjan evilly makes a non-logged utterance < 1300800221 109389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YOU FIEND < 1300800244 476773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WOULD HAVE WORKED TOO IF NOT FOR THIS MEDDLING KID < 1300800333 312794 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have always just disputed the accuracy of ais523's quotation. (Doing it after that outburst might not be entirely credible any more.) < 1300800361 768936 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARN < 1300800363 774795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dispute being referred to as a "KID" < 1300800373 918344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YKGOML < 1300800379 325073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents are not goats, and I do not aspire to be the Guy < 1300800415 495016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you _sure_ they're not goats? maybe they are just using creative makeup < 1300800460 893423 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300800516 655322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouMeddlingKids < 1300800553 975897 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300800565 212047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've watched enough Scooby-Doo when younger to not need a TV Tropes link to get the reference < 1300800569 584682 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300800581 832875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :children need a constant diet of cartoons to avoid them becoming bored and going out and setting fire to recycling bins < 1300800592 415521 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE, IGNORE MY EVIL PLOT TO ENSNARE YOU IN TVTROPES THEN < 1300800650 346138 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does not picture ais523 as a person to set fire to recycling bins. but maybe that's just due to overdosing on cartoons.
< 1300800661 911631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I never have done < 1300800676 445447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recycling bins near my house have been repeatedly set on fire, but on no occasion was it me who did so < 1300800700 19675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I have a complex strategy to avoid getting ensnared in TV Tropes < 1300800713 48835 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, no one saw you, and they certainly cannot prove it. < 1300800717 27771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although at work, I abandon it in favour of the much simpler strategy of never visiting it at all < 1300800723 482929 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a local maximum of the being-set-on-fire density function for recycling bins that coincides with your house, but I'm sure it's really just a coincidence. < 1300800742 126694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but that's because the recycling bins are near my house! < 1300800750 220070 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuses, excuses < 1300800750 772852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because I'm there! < 1300800774 356325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people wanted to build a mobile phone mast near my house, but they changed their minds because they thought it would just be repeatedly destroyed by vandals < 1300800784 948865 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b7704.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300800792 796170 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That shouldn't affect the being-set-on-fire density for recycling bins, just the overall recycling-bins-that-are-set-on-fire density. < 1300800810 965167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, vandalism's quite high where I live < 1300800817 819989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or used to be, before the place started swarming with police < 1300800819 116322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to fizzie, he's our official statistician < 1300800842 32287 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A reasonably non-vandalizable mobile phone mast sounds doable. (Barring especially dedicated vandals, anyway.) < 1300800861 686499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the harder you make something to vandalise, the more dedicated the vandals get < 1300800920 280944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just turn up the signal level until the vandals cannot survive getting near it. < 1300800948 956654 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this 1:10^9 scale model of the solar system in Helsinki; the Earth/Moon model used to be a regular target for vandalism, so often that they had to reimplement it like this: http://www.ursa.fi/ursa/aurinkokuntamalli/eng/earth-en.html < 1300800966 452672 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there used to be a thin metal rod for the Moon. < 1300800999 926015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bizarre thing to vandalise < 1300801019 604734 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Earth is just a hole; if you click on the "Mars" link you can see the others are spheres. < 1300801063 338380 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saturn seems to have taken some damage too. < 1300801103 969697 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Neptune model is pretty nearby to the university.) < 1300801120 668084 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300801191 967285 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300801222 385027 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The model of Pluto used to be near the Länsiväylä cycling/pedestrian bridge leading to Hanasaari, but it has been missing for a while. [note: The pages note that in 2000 that both the guide and Pluto were missing, but as of July 2004, the guide has been replaced but Pluto is still AWOL.] < 1300801227 564243 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[image] < 1300801230 219176 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys fishing and the info guide next to the Länsiväylä bridge rail. Pluto is either still missing or so small as to be impossible to see." < 1300801247 714231 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very well-maintained model. < 1300801323 822478 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the "visit them all" route is still a reasonable bicycle trip, even if the attractions have been manhandled a bit. < 1300801546 513257 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines opposing vandal gangs battling over whether pluto should be included or not
< 1300801578 394645 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The City of Helsinki and the Astronomical Society Ursa look after the models. Vandals have occasionally bothered the models. If you find that the models or their guide charts have been vandalized, Please call Ursa at 09 684 0400." < 1300801582 298066 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice verb to use. < 1300801592 790176 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, stop bothering Saturnus." < 1300801706 166733 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1300801875 674589 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300801903 519370 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the Finnish pages confirm what I thought: currently they have both Pluto and Charon represented by pins (2.5mm and 1.8mm in diameter) in the info board. (Also Pluto's included "for historical reasons".) < 1300801980 419467 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.2 and 1.5, not 2.5 and 1.8. (Don't know how I managed to typo a constant offset of 0.3 in.) < 1300802729 33660 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132136.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300803133 969357 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300804276 218304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300804818 940878 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :"First, you are dating a mammal which is concerning. | Democratic capitalist history of the God Blessed United States of America: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | Antifederalist punditry: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1300805437 141385 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300806657 876848 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300807697 139707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300807775 520132 :cheater99!~cheater@e181130241.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300808570 888921 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300809050 22369 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow day with APNIC: APNIC down 0.04: 131k+64k+32k+16k+/32 to Australia, 32k+16k to Japan, 16k to Vietnam, 1k to Pakistan, 1k to Thailand, 1k to Bangladesh, 64k to Hong Kong, 256k+128k+32k to China, 256+2x/48 to Malaysia, /32 to Singapore. < 1300809070 670225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow days are good, ofc < 1300809126 406634 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, that first is supposed to be 128k, not 131k. < 1300809306 488788 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137075.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300809398 243165 :cheater99!~cheater@e181130241.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300809754 69428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300809836 445976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300809901 813008 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-52.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300810155 842886 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300810861 538728 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300811177 873546 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300811693 357577 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300811946 532937 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Deewiant I contend that "form feed reflects" is not a BAD for Befunge. FF only has a meaning in a Trefunge source file. < 1300811946 870119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1300811981 342556 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What of the way line breaks are treated in Unefunge? < 1300811981 826906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1300812034 661488 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I follow. Can you explain that? < 1300812052 581386 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subsequent lines in Unefunge are simply appended to the first, and the end of the source file indicates the end of the (single) line. End-of-line markers are never copied into Funge-Space." < 1300812056 624930 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- spec < 1300812101 422630 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a special case for Unefunge to me. < 1300812116 256884 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And FF is not an end-of-line marker :) < 1300812141 967298 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to me that FF in Befunge is analogous to CR/NL/CRNL in Unefunge < 1300812188 918601 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's entirely possible < 1300812201 878175 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newline: increase Y, set X = 0 < 1300812206 947425 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF: increase Z, set X = Y = 0 < 1300812219 128439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newline when Y doesn't exist: do nothing < 1300812227 812902 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF when Z doesn't exist: ?? (my interpretation: do nothing) < 1300812305 755290 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Well, I have FBBI down to 11 BADs (I thought it was 6 but then I realized you can't just grep for BAD in Mycology's output for some reason.) I don't know how many of these I plan to try to fix. < 1300812342 902435 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some test failures prevent other tests from running, which is why you can get more after fixing something. < 1300812448 428761 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean it's really that "fbbi mycology.b98 | grep BAD" really doesn't return all the lines that have BAD on them. If I pipe the output into less, I see that some characters are highlighted. Is there some weird ANSI escape sequence thing going on in the output? < 1300812499 881260 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :From my old Mycology results page: < 1300812501 733143 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FBBI’s help text describes a flag -fast with the words “more speed, at the cost of locking up in infinite loops”. Interestingly, all it does is that it prevents the output of the string " \b" whenever the IP moves. I’m told that this harks back to the days of DOS, wherein one could only interrupt a program when it did a system call, or some such. That would certainly explain the description. < 1300812507 846298 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with it is that FBBI prints that even if the output is redirected to a file, which results in tonnes of binary interspersed with all the normal output. Hence, I recommend always running with -f passed—if you must use FBBI. < 1300812551 670531 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear lord. ok < 1300812573 52689 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your code, not mine. :-) < 1300812662 68999 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wait, re your FF argument: if FF is analogous to NL, then it shouldn't even be loaded into the source (unless binary I/O is in effect -- in which case it should be loaded, and it should be considered unimplemented because it is outside 32-127.) < 1300812803 829621 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it shouldn't be loaded, that's correct. < 1300812862 720949 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300812902 58941 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temptation to work on the Befunge-111 spec is strong. Well, thanks for discussing this, anyway, and thanks again for Mycology. I' < 1300812905 418624 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300812922 295909 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably release a new version of FBBI soon-ish, but it'll probably still have a handful of BADs. < 1300812934 288469 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I should probably get back to work. < 1300812938 365814 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later :) < 1300812941 97728 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See ya < 1300812941 362618 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300813827 494717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, an elliottless week. < 1300814042 290746 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137075.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300814051 523351 :cheater-!~cheater@e181141165.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300814143 490988 :cheater-!~cheater@e181141165.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello blogs < 1300814507 963028 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I have glogbotted. < 1300814529 229483 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: glogbot is public-access, so if you want a logger in #corewars then just ask the appropriate person to /invite it. < 1300814555 742638 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thanks. Where does glogbot log to? < 1300814601 262176 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: See !logs < 1300814615 881152 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: (Although that URL is temporary, I'll move it to codu.org at some point) < 1300814738 402902 :cheater-!~cheater@e181141165.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is alise still on the hissy fit < 1300814927 895981 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300814952 224693 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300815121 817340 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thanks. Logging is set up :-) < 1300815706 723656 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: As far as we know. < 1300815740 184175 :cheater-!~cheater@e181141165.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's just silly. < 1300816036 219181 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300816044 21766 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: Don't complain :P < 1300816074 296873 :cheater-!~cheater@e181141165.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do you see me complaining? i always enjoyed benny hill and other silly things :)) < 1300816126 790833 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300816496 960726 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300816783 142055 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300816877 336974 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300817137 793823 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Good thing you got a new logbot in #corewars, since clearly the place is hoppin' ;) < 1300817412 118537 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know of a FFI for BF ? < 1300817455 234740 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closest that have been done are things like PSOX. < 1300817463 756509 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't a general-purpose FFI of course. < 1300817466 389723 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But could probably be adapted to be so. < 1300817547 825328 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm fine with a POSIX only FFI < 1300817573 608754 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what I mean is it's not actually an FFI, it's just a binding to POSIX functions :P < 1300817581 82955 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah - that should be fine < 1300817600 522468 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: holy shit, geohot is fucking crazy < 1300817625 745895 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Well, then check out PSOX and make Sgeo happy X-P < 1300817697 286184 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh perfect - that is EXACTLY what I was looking for :-p < 1300818066 61356 :cheater-!~cheater@e181141165.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300818069 734582 :cheater00!~cheater@g224202204.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300818927 706355 :cheater-!~cheater@g231050151.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300818943 175743 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300819091 493134 :cheater00!~cheater@g224202204.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300819142 860639 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029149.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300819177 936824 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300819199 399630 :cheater-!~cheater@g231050151.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300819711 398189 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300819837 100272 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-65.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300819974 917000 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-14.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300820448 778744 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest 30-day allocations for APNIC: 2.420 blocks. Not counting today: 2.372 blocks. Entiere world not counting today: 2.724 blocks (87% by APNIC). < 1300820567 329164 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029149.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lol < 1300820570 491124 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1300820955 994503 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029149.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: " λ⃠ — point-free forever!" < 1300821132 23755 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300821370 963230 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: omg citation < 1300821398 479855 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029149.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin: yes, and? < 1300821424 803946 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was suggesting attributing it :) < 1300821430 909253 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300821561 289341 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029149.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone in #haskell < 1300821581 630466 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029149.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like anyone cares about the identity of you faceless blogs < 1300821838 420536 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1300821854 453984 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, be an asshole < 1300822393 9256 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300822596 361664 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin: ? < 1300822736 537655 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029149.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300824290 158653 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054146.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300824860 505092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300824953 642343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 19:19:41: it's not like anyone cares about the identity of you faceless blogs < 1300825519 732651 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300825531 294886 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, to 12:12 < pumpkin> pikhq: holy shit, geohot is fucking crazy < 1300825547 489357 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait who's geohot and why is he crazy? < 1300825553 864003 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recognize the nick < 1300825577 842899 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :George Hotz of SCEA v. George Hotz et al fame. < 1300825587 411145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCEA? < 1300825587 809671 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ps3 breaker? < 1300825600 38363 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sony Computer Entertainment of America. < 1300825603 857801 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?44568-Geohot-goes-crazy-respawns-as-Eminem-wannabe < 1300825611 469167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1300825616 167869 :cheater-!~cheater@e181054146.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300825648 215303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in other news, a Christmas card for my family sent from America arrived *today*. < 1300825655 577287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 guesses why. < 1300825704 776443 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had anthrax < 1300825708 993067 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he sent them his hard drives < 1300825715 725653 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: with the controller boards removed from them... < 1300825728 976627 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sony was understandably not happy, and is accusing him of tampering with evidence < 1300825774 269035 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300825795 287790 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should have sent them his hard drives, except only readable by a special driver that swaps the bits in some fucked up way. < 1300825831 512507 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR: send them his hard drives, except submerged in resin to protect the electronics inside! < 1300825860 308265 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have a citation on this controller board thing? (And anyway, weren't those sent to a third party, not Sony at all?) < 1300826119 363209 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the funniest SCEA/Hotz thing I've read was when one of Sony's filed subpoenas to Paypal said just "1. PayPal, Inc. is directed to furnish all documents, including electronically stored information, in its possession, custody or control.", period, without specifying anything else. < 1300826133 251753 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite a request. < 1300826398 625215 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nice < 1300826508 920725 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-14.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300826518 812066 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-125.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300826888 602813 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooot < 1300826901 767100 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hoping for bartab to be fixed and working in firefox 4 before the end of the week < 1300826911 637764 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks there's some nice activity in the repo! < 1300827401 823521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300827680 846805 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's in the SCEA filings. < 1300827692 152006 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: From the third party in question. < 1300827745 297224 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: As these are nominally competent analysts of hard drives, it seems they would have noticed that pretty instantly. < 1300827774 61419 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inclined to accuse *them* of tampering with the evidence. < 1300828950 739865 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.17/20110121150729] < 1300829068 465162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/undergrad/CSEMajorRequirements.html < 1300829076 386000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this really that much better than my school? < 1300829082 471842 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the occasional math course < 1300829088 272557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, ok, a bit more < 1300829395 85092 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems somewhat engineering-oriented. And a smaller number of courses than I'd expect, but then again I don't really know anything about your educamational systems. < 1300829524 511420 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-125.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300829527 840664 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-129.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300829949 766617 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229061.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300830026 517002 :cheater00!~cheater@g231050079.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300830112 121496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zoom.it/pNiU < 1300830120 778228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might think that's just noise. < 1300830124 163810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd be wrong. < 1300830214 34629 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300830233 167986 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Are these DF bug reports or something? < 1300830243 305463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes they are. < 1300830252 723397 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty. < 1300830407 357603 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300830478 31077 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-52.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300830644 775115 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I look back what courses I took during the M.Sc degree, it's quite an incoherent collection. < 1300830708 345488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSc in what? < 1300830770 502143 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which one thing corresponds to the "what" in your parlance. We have the general study line, an "option", the major, and a set of minors. < 1300830850 128085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming it was in computering. < 1300830901 999096 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "study program" was 'tietotekniikka', which I guess converts to "Computer Science and/or Engineering". (They're grouped together under the same roof here.) < 1300830958 615449 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a diplom engineer or a magister of philosophy? < 1300830985 462472 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: DI; just managed to graduate from TKK mere moments before it became Aalto. < 1300830994 964765 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MSc seems to be a bit ambiguous between those) < 1300831031 118187 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Here "mere moments" == four months or so.) < 1300831179 113670 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But (probably due to hysterical raisins) the path to a computer sciencey person includes some rather odd things, like courses on basic electronics. (Or at least did; maybe the study program revampings have made the contents more logical too.) < 1300831330 794362 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an inexplicable physics labwork course, though I don't know how mandatory that was. Maybe it was this "with extra science" option I somehow ended up with, which included supersized maths and physics compared to the regular CSE study program contents. < 1300831929 388558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, crap. < 1300831931 623743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"%$"£$%ing amygdala < 1300832011 923387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300832031 42913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300832039 328722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, crap. < 1300832041 459292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"%$"£$%ing amygdala < 1300832145 750467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, remind me, how hard is it to remove it? < 1300832174 327483 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300832198 341435 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Absurdly. < 1300832199 798002 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1300832207 855086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300832236 765994 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300832678 235980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, whyyyyyyyyyyy < 1300832708 516269 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300832904 849977 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300833309 923681 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300833636 772622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a depressing feeling that traffic analysis will show a noticeable drop in traffic over the last week. < 1300833646 825454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in traffic// < 1300833690 54785 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite likely. < 1300833713 378302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You try reasoning with him, he had no quarrel with you. < 1300833714 932524 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No elliott means conversation isn't guaranteed 20 hours a day. < 1300833720 213594 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have. < 1300833732 597312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he keep the persecution complex? < 1300833740 769022 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite. < 1300833878 607371 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300833917 447407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's logreading. < 1300833922 641899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute. < 1300833925 994137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hi, elliott!) < 1300833945 377578 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How knowest þee? < 1300833959 853013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just PMed me. < 1300833963 5499 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1300833980 156802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying the reason he left is not the reason I think he left. < 1300834157 508880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1300834157 872747 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fnord in the aarhus math department is worth a read. < 1300834179 923277 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder which log he's reading DURPADURPA < 1300834203 846116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, but now I'm even more curious. < 1300834368 116292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also said he's very unlikely to return. < 1300834418 527321 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why logread :P < 1300834643 793024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300834845 836077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300834852 975349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, WiFi conked out. < 1300834893 432136 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been inspired to add a "stalker" interface to glogbot's logs :P < 1300834898 209290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:53:38: Then why logread :P ← pikhq messaged him. < 1300834954 584412 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300834975 380368 :nottwo!~trannie@nottwo.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300835127 235871 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nottwo: Your web page is extremely elucidating :P < 1300835259 287519 :nottwo!~trannie@nottwo.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah, i'm still in stealth mode :) < 1300835265 812446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1300835267 250491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300835322 798227 :nottwo!~trannie@nottwo.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen cpressey < 1300835348 803157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a few hours late for him < 1300835433 940808 :nottwo!~trannie@nottwo.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1300835566 555809 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-129.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300835587 487998 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-214.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300836584 278537 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, viola! < 1300836584 562985 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300836599 960606 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/stalker.php?channel=_esoteric Stalker mode! < 1300836605 22814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cello? < 1300836615 837304 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viola as in "voila" :P < 1300836639 327929 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1300836655 530683 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300836666 452286 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that page supposed to do < 1300836690 705159 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for people who want to actively logread the channel without actually being in it :P < 1300836713 25228 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway it doesn't work in IE < 1300836726 338278 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... people use IE? < 1300836744 496459 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, it won't. < 1300836748 289250 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-214.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300836748 944763 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care ALMOST as much as I care about making it work on Netscape 4. < 1300836750 61788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1300836760 897326 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll work on IE9 btw, and probably IE8. < 1300836761 739622 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300836766 430250 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're in some kind of version hell. < 1300836779 565093 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got 8 < 1300836785 66475 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, then I guess it won't :P < 1300836788 354707 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I don't care at all. < 1300836793 240723 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use a browser that doesn't blow. < 1300838098 891444 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://programming-motherfucker.com/ < 1300838276 294254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300838414 439657 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300838731 356693 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :General question: have you ever written a feature complete, non-trivial program, that others used with near zero bugs < 1300838742 109733 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or no known bugs left < 1300838785 76447 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last requirement is a bit steep :P < 1300838796 485951 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, yes. < 1300838807 179742 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes - this is why I asked. < 1300838807 451708 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program? < 1300838828 182911 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to tell you since it's part of Intel's IT software infrastructure :P < 1300838837 578626 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1300838864 673460 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But suffice it to say it was a complete rewrite of a program which effectively has behavior similar to a userland unionfs. < 1300838870 19221 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C. < 1300838874 599959 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine. I'll trust you on that :-p < 1300838875 948553 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1300838884 929512 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would love to see that
< 1300838895 396746 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it need to be re-written ? < 1300838920 267761 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the old one was such a mess that it took me a year of working there to understand what it did, and that made two people who did :P < 1300838934 198468 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh! < 1300838948 581901 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I could answer yes with two programs I wrote. One was a contact script for users requesting support (it stored the details in a DB, didn't just mail them) < 1300838968 793559 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other was a program to manage users for Google Apps < 1300839002 111758 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :both in PHP < 1300839026 917292 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how long did it take you to write? < 1300839046 101715 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew ... < 1300839055 869767 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a LONG time ago >_> < 1300839066 445318 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :‾¿‾ < 1300839113 377742 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: There are no bugs, only undocumented features. < 1300839142 455019 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ツ < 1300839172 462255 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :オッス < 1300839176 354302 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300839218 976834 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oO < 1300839252 958246 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :何？ < 1300839256 462585 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is writing a brainfuck interpreter in 32bit x86 assembly now
< 1300839302 36775 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your a PhD candidate now - right? < 1300839316 966641 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My a PhD candidate now right. < 1300839321 706392 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose a PhD a candidate? < 1300839332 811103 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you are a < 1300839346 628067 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My a PhD candidate now, right. < 1300839358 66380 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks copumpkin
< 1300839361 176858 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: give it back < 1300839935 641883 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060037.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300840125 112697 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229061.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300840125 558851 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300840139 499895 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300840214 285728 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300840485 489595 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vN3hlMQ <-- HOW REAL MEN PLAY NETHACK < 1300841136 11328 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1300841148 677728 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: aha < 1300841730 951164 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300841978 413050 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck is that font? < 1300842013 193923 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Gregor handwriting? < 1300842019 949181 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300842040 342900 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also known as the BEST font. < 1300842060 184814 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your handwriting is obnoxiously better than mine. < 1300842063 982802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically Entirely Scrambled Text < 1300842163 739206 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300842268 983782 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :そりゃ変ですが、Gregor is awesomeます。 > 1300843392 834741 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300843403 523696 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300843739 274925 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300843843 920436 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300846084 23259 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/mPbJQVik --> I'm *really* close to completing my assembly brainfuck program < 1300846096 86549 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to make those words work < 1300846115 105367 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have an 'infinite' tape, 'infinite' cells, and a tape ptr and a cell ptr < 1300846979 256215 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300846997 59405 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i can't get that to work in firefox either < 1300847022 236543 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get it NOT to work, under any browser, under any circumstances :P < 1300847030 283417 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :god you suck ass < 1300847034 713260 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300847056 394843 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1300847076 479552 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/stalker.php?channel=_esoteric < 1300847096 143578 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1300847119 28263 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1300847123 790982 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program is segfaulting < 1300847163 486008 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how do you not get it not to work? all i had to do was enter it in the fucking url box, is that too hard for you or smth < 1300847166 143120 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is wrong with (%ebx, %esi, 4) :-( < 1300847221 169783 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1300847231 363872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1300847234 55766 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1300847236 470900 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :"First, you are dating a mammal which is concerning. | Democratic capitalist history of the God Blessed United States of America: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | Antifederalist punditry: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/ < 1300847238 96350 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1300847245 22461 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtf people, it's not magic. < 1300847252 903730 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S SO COOL < 1300847273 56718 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like it knows what you want and gives it to ya < 1300847294 601650 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: its not magic? < 1300847296 640159 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwww < 1300847329 712886 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you thought THAT was magic, < 1300847329 884338 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_status < 1300847350 709770 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't possibly beat !logs < 1300847352 346481 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_status < 1300847356 853737 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1300847359 34891 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1300847362 968195 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4?!? < 1300847375 543020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven hundred THOUSAND < 1300847382 24373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a typo < 1300847388 9098 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would take me weeks < 1300847413 499510 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_status < 1300847414 848710 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1300847415 300008 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1300847431 288370 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey wouldn't it be cool if we hired someone to manually keep logs < 1300847432 445294 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1300847432 719728 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1300847437 598905 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1300847505 665987 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could subscribe and get them sent directly to your home every month < 1300847523 541535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand-written copies < 1300847526 244223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :illuminated log manuscripts < 1300848132 538913 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300848220 600810 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1300848232 800898 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300848261 530443 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems likely we'll see APNIC depletion before World IPv6 Day. < 1300848263 226137 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fun". < 1300848312 665295 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Japanese count as an esoteric language? < 1300848317 868441 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1300849949 175392 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300850048 940955 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300850321 680415 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :本当に！ < 1300850566 610060 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-168.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300850578 998919 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-128.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300850911 346512 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300851112 321504 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300851749 40574 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300851815 372606 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real question is, is it an esoteric PROGRAMMING language. < 1300851822 881106 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go with ... < 1300851825 665362 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300851846 789288 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300852550 553553 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could all human languages be said to be turing complete? < 1300852578 835110 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300852629 162941 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-168.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but any system of: human language + immortal, complaint humans + infinite space could be said to be Turing complete. < 1300852633 841906 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-168.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compliant, even. < 1300852669 843541 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1300852949 40611 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300853040 312884 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300853045 141259 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300853264 820833 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-168.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300853268 29755 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-7.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300854149 233234 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300854250 287133 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300855230 930791 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300855446 681731 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300855661 716511 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300855705 922402 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300855919 533648 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1300857118 912002 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300857189 89995 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300858010 758068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300858319 132506 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300858391 805634 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300858528 786905 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300859156 707339 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300859518 692368 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300859591 924899 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300860281 738985 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell have I seen 「シーラカンス」 keep coming up? < 1300860290 77442 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be an *insanely* obscure word. < 1300860308 543641 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in English, it's "coelacanth".) < 1300860617 123356 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300860688 803834 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300860791 982889 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300861022 319814 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300861030 975621 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300861784 327682 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300862019 489467 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300862646 597150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-7.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now 21.
< 1300863075 672331 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding! < 1300863118 898298 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300863215 975585 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300863239 242781 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :King! < 1300863970 138411 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300864419 552551 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300864741 250703 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-91.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300865028 379899 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-35-91.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PART :#esoteric < 1300865532 497459 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300865589 620538 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300866503 523086 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a chess variant where one piece is simultaneously the weakest piece and the strongest piece in the game. < 1300866718 896927 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300867990 578920 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-30.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300867994 491543 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-7.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300868566 494596 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300868849 497340 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300868913 271207 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300870611 975930 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300873668 418754 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300873802 720620 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300873804 808094 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1300874097 398654 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-11-51.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300874255 840849 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300874419 123560 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-33-56.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300875170 727788 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300875458 592145 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300876558 799095 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300876635 560100 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300877772 338817 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300877845 492222 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300878448 509507 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300878466 757229 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org NICK :Guest84241 < 1300878681 439515 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300878776 146596 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300879126 772022 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300879806 473198 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231163.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300879809 536727 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300879912 283816 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060037.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300879987 64640 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300880538 881280 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/detecting-certificate-authority-compromises-and-web-browser-collusion < 1300882138 726924 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300882235 509169 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300882389 485339 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-30.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300882406 376705 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-203.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300883308 307200 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300883417 539065 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300883650 546073 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300883669 67183 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to latest extended-stats file (for yesterday), APNIC has 109 149 /24s left. On IPv6 side, 514 862 /32s to go until APNIC can request more space. :-) < 1300883695 585052 :Guest84241!~Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1300883704 852413 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 0.112595 s, 93.1 MB/s < 1300883706 272910 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray < 1300883919 156393 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those 109 149 /24s are in 2 274 regions. < 1300883966 984293 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, 2 273. < 1300883999 909076 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic Average of 12 293 addresses per block. < 1300884112 485427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300884138 606871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300884365 429777 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow. < 1300884377 936804 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest XKCD proves that just when you thought it was at rock bottom, it has SO MUCH FURTHER DOWN to go. < 1300884450 901885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300884508 838991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300884568 355050 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300884625 548255 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300884741 834896 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300884881 545487 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300884961 327305 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300885443 489228 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300885825 555345 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300886193 608421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300886326 411072 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231163.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://programming-motherfucker.com/ > 1300886596 819071 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300886608 949470 :glogbot!~glogbot@wb-dhcp2-7.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300886998 611934 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300887025 648133 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300887038 633251 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300887470 28089 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: Yes, I linked that in the first place :P < 1300887505 240139 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231163.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heheh < 1300887507 347103 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231163.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadn't noticed < 1300887593 446689 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :"First, you are dating a mammal which is concerning." | Democratic capitalist history of the God Blessed United States of America: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | Antifederalist punditry: http://gregorr.dyndns.org:8080/logs/_esoteric/ < 1300887609 404337 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had wondered when you'd fix that
< 1300887882 357951 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION closes oerjan
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Connection reset by peer < 1300928441 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300928546 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and there's a chance Microsoft wouldn't be suing alone? < 1300929402 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It'd be easy to make it a class action. < 1300930051 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the other guy on the ld-linux.so auction actually bid :P < 1300930122 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300930152 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300930871 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite.so < 1300930935 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, bidding started? < 1300930939 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's libc.so doing? < 1300930946 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so's auction has not started. < 1300930978 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so have you managed to get any of them yet? < 1300930991 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the auctions have ended either. < 1300931601 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300931705 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300931990 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300932126 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300933431 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300933565 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300933699 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you troll. < 1300933874 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300933980 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300934742 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented in TeX, the Zeller's Card method for day of week. Now I will implement the date for Easter, as well. < 1300934807 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-33-56.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300934823 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ...? < 1300934863 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300935108 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300935116 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is j-invariant vixey? < 1300935131 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :23. Ge4 pass!! < 1300935144 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i don't know who vixey is < 1300935151 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I don't know? < 1300935163 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: misspiggy is another nick < 1300935178 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-246-126.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300935187 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-128.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300935188 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think misspiggy is one of j-invariant's nicks, yes < 1300935242 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300935270 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bash.org/?577451 < 1300935271 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of those nicks, only j-invariant is currently registered < 1300935282 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and online) < 1300935293 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300935370 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300935448 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought MissPiggy == fax? < 1300935474 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too. < 1300935493 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she uses a lot of nicks < 1300935501 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for ban evasion reasons, i think < 1300935533 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he ran away from here recently just for being revealed... < 1300935550 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1300935572 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's definitely a girl < 1300935584 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300935628 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's much more complicated than that < 1300935656 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it always. < 1300935659 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no) < 1300935806 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-246-126.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300935809 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-87.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300935881 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall someone said she exploded from being called a girl, once. < 1300936053 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's not because she's a he, but because an adult female is a "woman" :P < 1300936490 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300936501 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I just found your color picking thing < 1300936503 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :tis cool < 1300936534 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Vulture music < 1300936536 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT IS < 1300936589 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300936792 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "he"? < 1300936798 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1300936800 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300936809 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is much more complicated, in some boring fashion, or something < 1300936830 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1300936836 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My childhood memories! < 1300936844 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vulture Hack < 1300936848 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :culture vulture < 1300936852 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s music is butchering my memories! < 1300936914 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And VLC is butchering its predictions of how long music lasts < 1300936940 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruments.xm < 1300936942 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? < 1300936969 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that tells some.. thingy what each instrument should sound like? Like a soundfont? < 1300937202 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old data is back in glogbot btw < 1300937224 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan TOPIC #esoteric :THIS TOPIC INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK | Democratic capitalist history of the God Blesséd United States of America: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | Antifederalist punditry: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1300937229 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan TOPIC #esoteric :THIS TOPIC IS INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK | Democratic capitalist history of the God Blesséd United States of America: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | Antifederalist punditry: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1300937261 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300937323 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a question about copyright
< 1300937351 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's evil, don't do it. < 1300937365 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone takes a game under the NetHack GPL and adds music to it, will that music also be under the NetHack GPL? < 1300937384 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300937390 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cause the whole of any work that you distribute or publish, that in < 1300937390 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : whole or in part contains or is a derivative of NetHack or any part < 1300937390 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : thereof, to be licensed at no charge to all third parties on terms < 1300937390 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : identical to those contained in this License Agreement (except that you < 1300937390 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : may choose to grant more extensive warranty protection to some or all < 1300937390 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : third parties, at your option)" < 1300937407 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a yes. I think < 1300937419 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There attempts to explain the GPL do not actually change the effect of the GPL. < 1300937426 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including music is mere aggregation, and so not covered. < 1300937463 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack GPL, not GNU GPL < 1300937515 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300937533 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well I don't know the NetHack GPL :P < 1300937544 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nethack.org/common/license.html < 1300937555 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes: 14:24:49 OK, /now/ it shouldn't be so screwy :P < 1300937556 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: 22:13:25: OK, /now/ it shouldn't be so screwy :P < 1300937565 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE FUN FIGURING OUT THEM TIMEZONES < 1300937648 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300937649 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Changing host < 1300937649 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300937672 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://falconseye.sourceforge.net/ < 1300937683 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falcon's Eye is also distributed under the NetHack GPL < 1300937710 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music in Vulture's Eye are all derivative works of the falcon's Eye music < 1300938513 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1300938629 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruments.xm is actually playable < 1300938644 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like a ... hollow wood instrument, followed by lots of silence < 1300938921 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300938935 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeking to anywhere else causes the tone to play again < 1300938939 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then more silence < 1300939115 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1300940832 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300941396 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300941786 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300943666 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interwoven alignment preambles are not allowed O NO < 1300945271 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300946319 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many fortnights are there in a square kilogram? < 1300946451 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1300946784 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300947883 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Error: does not type. < 1300951443 0 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-72-67.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300951867 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300952044 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can include not only the Julian and Gregorian calendar, but also the Discordian calendar. < 1300952060 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1300952082 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that work? < 1300952112 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah boring < 1300952192 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discordian calendar is a 5 of 73 calendar. < 1300952222 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I found it < 1300952226 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not v. interesting < 1300952236 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could at the very least have the leap years out of phase < 1300952349 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can find on Wikipedia, various calendar including the one with the leap years out of phase. < 1300952529 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1300952545 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point I was making was: I'd've expected the discordians to have a funnier calendar than that < 1300953421 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making calendar program in TeX, so if you have other idea, I can add them in, too. < 1300953821 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181131172.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300953881 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202095.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300954377 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finally freaking watched "The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya"
< 1300954387 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was good, but *absurdly* long. < 1300954430 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, I think the LotR films were shorter. < 1300954953 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like daylight saving time? I don't like. < 1300954995 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I absolutely despise it. < 1300955465 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the calculation for the phase of moon by dates? < 1300956661 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, DST BS (Soon here). < 1300956819 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my area is currently DST. I do not like DST system. < 1300956885 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the program to work for calculating date for Easter Sunday. < 1300956961 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's the automated DST logic. Messes things up if it has the wrong date. And sometimes messes things up even if it has... Making system clock observe DST is absolutely retarded and asking for trouble. < 1300957063 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to force system timzone to UTC in order to make it keep system clock sane. And then force user account timezone to correct value. < 1300957085 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise DST transition just plain messes up things. < 1300957299 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And who thought DST was a good idea? Especially in the present situation? :-/ < 1300957983 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who made up DST. I also think it is bad idea, but some people I know like it, even if I tell them I don't like it and think it should be abolished. < 1300958471 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181131172.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300958816 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231049231.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300959183 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300959192 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1300960072 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I need ais523 or elliott now... < 1300960085 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm who else might know... < 1300960087 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? < 1300960102 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to know... what? < 1300960110 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, advice on memtest results. < 1300960118 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of here, but pretty busy. < 1300960183 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well quick question: new HP laptop (setting it up for my dad who bought it). Ran memtest the night before yesterday, found a single error. Been running memtest since then, no more errors. Something like 50 passes so far... < 1300960201 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what to do: call HP support and complain or assume it was a random cosmic ray? < 1300960230 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call HP support and ask them if they know anything about random cosmic rays. < 1300960252 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that is very sensible... At least not when stated like that < 1300960280 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could have been a random bit-flip, I guess: I mean, there must be a reason they sell ECC memory. < 1300960316 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes indeed. It wrote 1010101... pattern but read out all zeros according to the message memtest gave me. < 1300960336 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems somewhat non-random somehow < 1300960342 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that's perhaps curiouser. < 1300960343 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which cases was it plugged in? And what battery states? Are these things important sometimes? < 1300960362 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yep. < 1300960714 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually it seems it was two errors. I misread the addresses as it being a 16 bit area that was affected but there is actually a gap between the two messages hm. Small gap (0x...618 and 0x...61c) but still. < 1300960817 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it store the addresses and testing information in registers or in memory? < 1300960856 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1300960859 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1300960892 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just curious to know, that is alll. < 1300960905 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :memtest86+ is open source I think, you could check it out < 1300960917 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1300960989 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a photo of the error earlier: http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/tmp/memtest.jpg < 1300961181 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have computers at Free Geek which are only used for RAM testing (using memtest86+), and they share a single keyboard and monitor. For that purpose, I would have it a bit different. Put the memory testing program in ROM and have it use registers for status information, displaying status on a POST code or a LED connected to the PC speaker or something like that < 1300961259 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably but rom is unpractical. And expensive < 1300961280 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheaper to use NOR flash probably < 1300961302 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or EPROM if they still make those < 1300961344 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to support execute in place of course < 1300961451 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does not have to be actual ROM, it could be NOR or EPROM or whatever. < 1300961543 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second... does that screenshot indicate ECC? < 1300961559 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's even more confusing... < 1300961906 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300963355 0 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-72-67.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300963856 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-55-137.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300966221 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-55-137.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300966525 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g230231077.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300966652 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231049231.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300966732 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-98-41.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300967035 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-98-41.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300967386 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-45-168.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300968172 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300969122 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300969443 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300969466 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300969471 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300970331 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-45-168.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300970382 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As far as I can see, nope, ECC doesn't seem to be enabled. < 1300970720 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-70-25.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300970987 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, hm right < 1300971013 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, it was that line about "ECC : Detect / Correct" that made me wonder < 1300971036 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that just means the chipset supports ECC < 1300972009 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130244.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300972133 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g230231077.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300972592 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300973242 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300973256 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-42.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300973425 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having Internet access at home: pretty great. < 1300973588 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300973590 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-87.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300973887 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300975079 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300975106 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300975954 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300976496 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300977371 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300977412 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300977884 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ouch < 1300977886 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why? < 1300977921 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my ISP is made of fail? < 1300977931 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so any ETA on the issues? < 1300977944 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not. < 1300977946 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made of /fail/ < 1300977958 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also hm, I know the US phone market is weird, so this might not be a viable option over there... But couldn't you do tethering for now? < 1300978008 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that does not give me 100% uptime of my home computer since my phone does not stay at home. < 1300978063 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, true < 1300978739 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot's rsyncd is now active. < 1300978803 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300978861 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300979621 0 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-40-244.frgo.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300979976 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Duke Nukem Forever was just delayed again < 1300980026 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wait what, wasn't it abandoned officially some time ago I thought? < 1300980032 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one more month or so: does that even count any more? < 1300980047 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was, but someone else bought the rights to it and decided to finish it < 1300980057 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, it's still amusing < 1300980069 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, when it was finally given a release date, I assumed it'd stick to that release date < 1300980084 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the name is haunted < 1300980092 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*codebase? < 1300980096 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no the name < 1300980101 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will take forever. As it says < 1300980106 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason it was taking so long was because it was repeatedly ported from engine to engine < 1300980108 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm going to make a bold Scapegoat statement: Calculating the tip is not useful. < 1300980133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think it depends on how you define a repository < 1300980140 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clearly isn't useful if you're purely whitelisting < 1300980154 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except if someone else wants to pull from your repository, and yours currently contains a conflict < 1300980296 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, I deleted a page on Esolang that wasn't spambot-created < 1300980306 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was created at the wrong title by its author, and then recreated at a different location) < 1300980316 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, 3D Realms (who were developing it) did fire the development team, and got sued (and settled out of court) by Take-Two, who owned the publishing rights, for not managing to deliver them a game. < 1300980710 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did make a rather amusing and non-serious video about the latest delay, though, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VFFR-5a-Ko < 1300981398 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300981602 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.01: 4k+2k to Australia, 4k+1k+/32 to Japan, 1k+2x/32 to Malaysia, 32k to Thailand, 64k to China, 64k+/32 to India. < 1300981614 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Slow week apparently. < 1300981781 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300982330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300982437 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131146.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300982555 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130244.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300983005 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300983331 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300983385 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300983447 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300983626 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Client Quit < 1300983810 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300983862 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300984260 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300984601 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300984978 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300984987 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300985970 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300986634 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-42.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300987395 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picking some semi-random assumptions I get April 18th for APNIC depletion date. Of course, that estimate assumes some questionable assumptions. < 1300987551 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300987727 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300988023 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How questionable? :P < 1300988261 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300988376 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1300989988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300990000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300990089 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300991736 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300992544 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1300992555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300992795 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300993679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300994156 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300994156 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1300994157 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300994368 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300994513 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300994651 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1300994730 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300994773 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300994776 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300994798 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300994845 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1300994981 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Alex Smith, an electrical and computer engineering undergraduate, first heard about the prize in an internet chatroom earlier this year.]] < 1300994987 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that was here? < 1300995002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300995034 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1300995479 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite possibly X-D < 1300995823 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duke Nukem Forever delayed again. XD < 1300996727 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300999229 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300999383 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, apparently there have been sexual harassment cases in which the defendant escaped a harassment verdict by harassing both males and females. < 1300999529 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bizarre. < 1300999549 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no reason to believe that the harasser isn't bisexual. < 1300999560 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even asexual and just likes making people uncomfortable. Sexually. < 1301001217 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301001293 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or straight or gay and just likes making people sexually uncomfortable. < 1301001650 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301001702 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1301001865 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301003359 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Duke Nukem Forever delayed again. XD ← DUKE NEVER COMES EARLY < 1301003671 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having Internet at home again: So much better than the alternative. < 1301003841 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-70-25.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S THE JOKE < 1301003915 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, which is...? < 1301004016 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: ... not having Internet at home. Duh. < 1301004028 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CANNOT CONCEIVE OF THIS < 1301004049 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I need some books to read. < 1301004181 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wisdom teeth hurt. :( < 1301004193 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine haven't yet. < 1301004236 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH I'm only 16, so there's plenty of time for them to exact their revenge. < 1301004346 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301004354 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey! < 1301004375 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that I knew it was you the moment I saw "Illinois" in your hostname/ < 1301004431 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you pronounce it "ill-a-noise" in your head, everything's fine. < 1301004551 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to think it was "illowwanis" for some reason, but then Barack Obama ran for president. < 1301004611 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: so what's with the "dunder"? < 1301004623 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunder? < 1301004637 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm so evil. I said that just to make you say that. < 1301004644 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301004646 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1301004658 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dunder" is slang for "double underscore" in... certain communities which shall go unnamed. < 1301004671 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who use double underscores a lot. < 1301004676 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one in your name. < 1301004680 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today. < 1301004703 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's just my "ONOEZ I'M ALREADY CONNECTED" nick. < 1301004712 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got bored with Phantom_Hoover_. < 1301004719 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1301004720 0 :Phantom__Hoover!?@? NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1301004748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UD gives "dunder" as "dirty underwear", but that's neither here nor there. < 1301004759 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Righteous. < 1301004823 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there should be 3 new languages in the next release of yoob, if I ever find the time: brainfuck, Befunge-93 and Ypsilax. < 1301004871 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they're all basically implemented -- if I can ever find the time to actually release them. < 1301004915 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little stuff like letting you enter an ASCII NUL so you can convince brainfuck that input is at EOF. < 1301005560 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how "beg the question" has been completely diluted as an idiom. Every time I've seen it used recently, it's just been another way of saying "raises the question". < 1301005579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, damn people, using the meaning that makes sense. < 1301005651 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*raise < 1301005696 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, occurences of "begging the question" with its old-school meaning are pretty rare. < 1301005711 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, of things where it makes sense to describe them that way < 1301005731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Begging the question in the old-school way is effectively just asking a leading question, isn't it? < 1301005827 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In debating, "begging the question" refers to a chain of reasoning based on the assumption (possibly hidden) that the conclusion is true to begin with. < 1301005923 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see Wikipedia agrees with me on that, good. < 1301006112 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although perhaps I misspoke about it being rare. I don't know, I think blatant circular reasoning you don't see often, but maybe there's more subtly circular argument out there than I'm acknowledging, I dunno. < 1301006203 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301006315 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Perhaps you only pay attention to rational discourse. < 1301006420 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1301006425 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do tend to have a hard time maintaining attention on what people are saying when it's clearly garbage, and there does seem to be an awful lot of that out there, yes. < 1301006428 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night Phantom_Hoover < 1301006451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION retreats into the shadows.
< 1301006458 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301007429 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the ASCII phase of moon, it has "GREENCHEESE" on it. gopher://gopher4.intercal.org.uk:70/0moon < 1301007587 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL Gnome Terminal does not allow you to navigate to gopher:// URLs by right-clicking on them. < 1301007603 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some impressive GREENCHEESE though. < 1301007606 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later all. < 1301007609 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301008147 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301008516 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-03-24/ <-- hey guys, remember how Dilbert is far funnier and overall more tolerable than XKCD? < 1301008784 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301008876 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can type \First\Tue\Feb and \Jan30 \AfterOn\Sat and stuff like that. < 1301009051 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301009163 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301009474 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301010064 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301010921 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the calculation of Easter a part of Canadian law? < 1301010959 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine canada does it in the standard way for western christianity... < 1301011008 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It is on the same day that is Western Christianity, but that is not what I am asking. < 1301011087 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-70-25.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.lulz.net/src/2.jpg < 1301011124 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301011131 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's his hand blowing up, i assume < 1301011215 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easter is a statutory holiday. But if the calculation of Easter (a Canadian statutory holiday) is not part of Canadian law, then we do not have separation of church and state. < 1301011292 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301011326 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sounds like a rather insignificant non-separation compared to having easter a statutory holiday in the first place. < 1301011385 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norway has easter a statutory holiday too, but then we don't have separation of church and state, yet) < 1301011404 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You already don't possess seperation of church and state. < 1301011523 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In case you weren't aware, your country operates under the legal theory that all power comes from monarchy, and the power in the monarch comes from God. < 1301011525 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no problem with making such things statutory holidays, even with such names, but the law should simply say something like "This day shall be a statutory holiday, named "_____" in English and "_____" in French." < 1301011573 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Well, at least is the theory, but the government does the stuff not the queen. The queen though, is still queen and is on the money. < 1301011594 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The government has power delegated unto it by the queen. < 1301011625 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All actions of your government, hence, are in a sense acting in the name of God. < 1301011653 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least those things are theory. But for actual laws, it should have separation of church and state; regardless of the religions of the government or of other things. < 1301011710 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*In practice*, yes, there is seperation of church and state. < 1301011737 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, *in practice* almost every single country in Europe has some level of such seperation these days. < 1301011787 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The government once tried to do it by renaming "Christmas Day" to "Gifting Season", but that is the wrong way to do it! The correct way is to just write "Twenty-fifth day of December is statutory holiday". The name of the holiday should be irrelevant for legal purposes, but write it in anyways simply for tradition, it has no actual legal meaning other than refering to that specific date. < 1301011800 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301011809 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301011816 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exception: Stato della Città del Vaticano, which is of course a *unification* of church and state) < 1301011914 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at Mussolini's involvement in Vatican City < 1301011942 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also, remember: Hitler died a Catholic in good standing. < 1301011983 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, isn't suicide a rather bad sin in catholicism :D < 1301011986 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-53.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301012004 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cannot get proper confession etc. after doing it... < 1301012043 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok i'm only guessing on the "rather bad" part) < 1301012128 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you cannot, because you are dead. I do not care whether it is a "rather bad" sin in Catholicism, to me the thing is that live people still have things to do. < 1301012139 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he wasn't explicitly excommunicated though. < 1301012184 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um we are (well, i am) discussing what it means to be a "catholic in good standing". clearly that requires looking at it from catholicism's point of view. < 1301012226 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i recall from wikipedia there is a concept of automatic excommunication for some sins, even if no one else knows about them < 1301012275 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again of course this doesn't matter much to anyone who doesn't actually _want_ to be a good catholic) < 1301012301 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301012306 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latae_sententiae < 1301012339 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try to figure out what is "Catholic in good standing", and what thing is "bad standing". < 1301012447 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An abortion is an automatic ex-communication? < 1301012471 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet murder isn't... < 1301012575 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[exemptions for:] 2/ a person who without negligence was ignorant that he or she violated a law or precept; inadvertence and error are equivalent to ignorance; < 1301012618 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it negligence to not seek out information on the Church's view of abortion? < 1301012648 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ignorance to hear some Catholic saying "abortion means ex-communication", but assume that they're mistaken or lying? < 1301012659 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always ready, always Lawlabee. Strength, safety, style, Lawlabee. Lawlabee in action. Lawlabee for beauty to have and to hold. < 1301012667 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: forgive my groveling. < 1301012692 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think either of abortion or murder is ex-communication? < 1301012720 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'd imagine that after hearing it said, it would be negligence not to check further whether it is true... < 1301012772 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm just going by what Wikipedia says < 1301012790 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'd also imagine the case of abortion has been made that strict precisely because the church has trouble getting all its members to agree with it, which is not the case with murder < 1301012828 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe < 1301013988 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203189.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301014172 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131146.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301015002 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301015771 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an interview with the person who invented INTERCAL, they described "a hypothetical computer described to me long ago by a co-worker who was a part-time professor at Northeastern University", which is now known as BitBitJump (I think). < 1301016518 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-70-25.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good video game title < 1301017000 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video game title? < 1301017796 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301018826 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301018885 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301019451 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *wow*. In the name of getting men "home to their wives" earlier, Australia put a 6 PM closing time on bars. < 1301019471 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What this actually produced was a solid hour of binge drinking between work getting out and the bars closing. < 1301020057 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lolwut < 1301020114 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you only have an hour of legal drinking outside of the home, you might as well make it count. < 1301020162 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was "lolwut"ting more at the notion that Australia would set a mandatory bar closing time at all, let alone 6PM :P < 1301020202 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ZOMG MUST GET RID OF ALCOHOL" thing was prevalent in much of the Western world. < 1301020268 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait, this is olde? < 1301020270 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tended to make shit worse overall. < 1301020280 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301020295 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWI and Great Depression era. < 1301020302 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhh < 1301021072 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible GOP Presidential candidates: Michelle Bachmann, Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee. < 1301021110 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe that Obama would have to rape babies and then serve baby au jus in order to lose. < 1301021330 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will grab the popcorn
< 1301021685 0 :glogbot!~glogbot@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021687 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021688 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021691 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021693 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021693 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021695 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021696 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301021703 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOO < 1301021708 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLOGBOT IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE NETSPLIT < 1301021724 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glargh < 1301021731 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a Serenity spoiler < 1301021743 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might just be the focus of the entire movie, finding it out < 1301021766 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm sorry but elliott isn't here to give a suitably ironic response. < 1301021820 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sarcastic < 1301021866 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301021873 0 :glogbot!~glogbot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301021873 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022045 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301022811 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoiler revealed with 30 min left, so maybe at least 30min will be enjoyable < 1301022822 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301023005 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301023630 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301023669 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :THIS TOPIC FAILS AT BEING BLANK | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301024581 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301024910 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301024918 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it broken server? < 1301024966 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it broken server? < 1301025030 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1301025335 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are special days and observances in different countries? < 1301025388 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :April 1st. < 1301025411 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1301025471 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything else? < 1301025488 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :April 31st. < 1301025493 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Canada and do not know the one for other countries, I should type it in since I am making a calendar program < 1301025532 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia knows. < 1301025534 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: There is no 31 day in April. < 1301025598 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about leap years? < 1301025615 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there is 29 day in February. < 1301025637 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, is how it works in this country. < 1301025790 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Shōwa Day, in Japan, is April 29. < 1301025816 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(first day of Golden Week) < 1301025971 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I added that, now if you type \Japan it will add that to the list of special days on the calendar < 1301026000 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, just hit Wikipedia; its list is likely comprehensive. < 1301026104 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any other kind of days that needs special calculation, other than Easter Sunday and the days relative to Easter Sunday? < 1301026133 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about anything astronomical in origin, really. < 1301026154 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: Japan has the two equinoxes as holidays. < 1301026157 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the jewish and islamic holidays, since they're based on the respective calendars... < 1301026184 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Orthodox versions of Christian holidays. < 1301026185 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and chinese new year probably < 1301026204 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And phase of moon, I also need, although that isn't the "special days", I should still add a macro to calculate the phase of moon. < 1301026227 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know Orthodox Easter is different, what is the difference in its calculation? < 1301026237 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also there are national days. basically there are at least thousands of special cases to consider. < 1301026247 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orthodox Christianity does not use the Gregorian calendar; they use the Julian calendar. < 1301026291 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it is a good thing I already have added support for the Julian calendar (just type \julian to activate it). < 1301026325 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the laity use Gregorian calendars, except they celebrate the holidays according to the date on the Julian calendar. < 1301026332 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also think not all orthodox christians use the same rule for calculating easter, even given julian calendar < 1301026339 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Zeller's Card method work correctly for Orthodox Easter? < 1301026350 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1301026363 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Quite possible; Orthodox Christianity is a set of sects, after all. < 1301026368 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can type \julian \Easter \gregorian and then you will get the date of Julian Easter but using the Gregorian calendar. < 1301026393 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly I don't see it as being worth this much effort to adapt for idiots. < 1301026410 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How many sects are there and which ones are common that I should add to this program? < 1301026457 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Insofar as I am aware*, they merely use the Julian calendar instead of the Gregorian calendar for the dates of religious holidays. < 1301026463 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also all the other days requring special calculation (including other countries), can you tell me how it is calculated, so that they can be included in the calendar? < 1301026483 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an absurd number of special cases, and I certainly don't know them all. < 1301026510 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though some of them are genuinely absurd cases, regardless. < 1301026539 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least norwegian official holidays are either fixed gregorian dates or offsets from easter. < 1301026564 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Chinese traditional holidays are based on dates on a lunar calendar that is otherwise unused. < 1301026591 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If they merely use the Julian calendar for calculating dates of religious holidays, then my program should do that, since it can already calculate Julian Easter (and then you can switch back to Gregorian mode after the calculation). < 1301026635 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then Norwegian holidays should be easy to put in < 1301026747 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Japan has the Emperor's birthday as a holiday. The only way to correctly handle that going forward is constant maintanence, and in the past, well, you'll want to read the Kojiki. :P < 1301026749 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using the slight modification of the Zeller's Card method for days of the week and for Easter, and it works with both Julian and Gregorian. I have also found a implementation in Javascript that will check what errors there are, and the method with minor correction works for everything. < 1301026777 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and even the us has that presidents' day iirc < 1301026796 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's just a holiday that's in honor of past presidents. < 1301026801 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well norway has royal birthdays too... < 1301026812 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *Washington's* birthday, though. < 1301026821 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no not that way, i mean it's not a fixed gregorian date is it < 1301026828 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, it's vaguely near then. < 1301026836 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's the third Monday of February. < 1301026842 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1301026856 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have the command for third Monday of February and stuff like that, typing in \Third\Mon\Feb will do that. < 1301026866 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right norway has those too, mother's and father's day are like that < 1301026875 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're not official holidays though) < 1301026885 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Most* US federal holidays are on a Monday. < 1301026924 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada, Thanksgiving is on \Second\Mon\Oct (different than Thanksgiving in United States) < 1301026944 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, US Thanksgiving is the fourth Thursday in November, instead. < 1301026950 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For... No good reason in either case. < 1301026966 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why is it like that if there is no reason? < 1301026976 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1301026979 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a reason. < 1301026987 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What reason? < 1301026989 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merchants wanted it then. < 1301027001 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Christmas was coming. < 1301027072 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's why. < 1301030183 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-47.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301030311 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301030901 0 :banpdtr_!~shiva@vpn.bangalore.geodesic.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301031422 0 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:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all. < 1301039796 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301040474 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301040575 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301042094 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301042375 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301043007 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301043053 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301043075 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301043129 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301043156 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping 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:copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301058092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301058811 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301058911 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301059106 0 :MigoMipo_A!~MigoMipo@2.67.176.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301059462 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301059780 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301059975 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301060020 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1301060071 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301060134 0 :MigoMipo_A!~MigoMipo@2.67.176.57 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1301060391 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-28.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301061384 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-28.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301062134 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch: "I'd create a long-lived OCSP responder certificate with the OCSPNoCheck extension. This kind of certificate can't be revoked *at all*, and has the same power as a CRL-signing key (which can be revoked)." (discussing the Comodo incident). < 1301062822 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-28.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301064290 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what does coffee do to biological neural networks what tiger blood does for charlie sheen < 1301064293 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :336) what does coffee do to biological neural networks what tiger blood does for charlie sheen < 1301064887 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301065049 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181139111.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301065121 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131124.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301066223 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=21eabb90-958f-4b64-b5f1-73d0a413c8ef&displaylang=en whoahwtf < 1301066231 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet you could run those in VirtualBox < 1301066633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The expiration thing? < 1301066711 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301066723 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I frankly don't know what that means, but would assume it's in the guest software, not the host. < 1301066876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're distributing executables which are presumably emulator + HD image, so extracting it would be non-trivial. < 1301067036 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're VHDs. < 1301067283 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 2x4k+1k to Japan, 1M(512k+2x256k) to China, 256 to New Zealand. < 1301067307 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow week... Only 0.23 blocks. < 1301067332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, is that a script or are you writing this manually? < 1301067450 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manually. < 1301067461 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 1M really just 0.03 blocks? I mean, purely in-the-head that should be 1/16th of a 2^24 = 16M address block, and 0.03 is less than 1/20 = 0.05. Or what is that 0.03 number anyway? < 1301067529 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was from local calculation, not from the graph on APNIC site. < 1301067581 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimate using same random method as yesterday now yields Tuesday April 19th. < 1301067592 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but is it in blocks? < 1301067622 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is in blocks. Maybe some large block got returned/revoked? < 1301067668 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that; it doesn't at least seem to directly match those listed networks. < 1301067670 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2*4096+1024+1048576+256)/16777216 < 1301067671 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6.30645751953125e-2 < 1301067876 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301067948 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading from scrollback buffer, available addresses count was 44 281 856 yesterday, and now it is 43 806 208 (that doesn't account for setaside). That's down 475 648. Number of addresses allocated is 1 058 048, diffrence of 582 400, A /13, /17, /18, /19 and 3x/24. < 1301068417 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301068551 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, down 0.03. < 1301068617 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301069511 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301070617 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301070710 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301071679 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think firefox 4 is BADLY confused about how many DPI my screen has < 1301071692 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :11pt text now looks like 17pt < 1301071705 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I did check zoom first < 1301071760 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301071889 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how the fuck do I move the tab bar down like it used to be < 1301071901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal returns! < 1301071910 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the tab bar more often, thus it should be closer to the page. Less mouse movement. < 1301071913 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: View -> Toolbars -> Tabs on top < 1301071917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liveblogs computer troubles. < 1301071918 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks < 1301071932 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you use the keyboard keys for tab selection? < 1301071934 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, that made it a lot better < 1301071960 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, sure, but sometimes it is easier to use the mouse, like when switching to one two rows down or such < 1301071974 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many tabs do you use at once? < 1301072001 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually varies between 3 and about 40 < 1301072070 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never use that many. My browser tabs vary usually from 1 to 5 (and 0 of course when it is not running) < 1301072096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that "tab groups" thing, I haven't quite understood how it works yet. < 1301072143 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301072155 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I haven't seen anything like that yet. < 1301072158 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to open a thing where the tabs are show as icons. < 1301072165 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it? < 1301072178 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the "tab list" drop-down menu at the end of the tab bar, at least for me. < 1301072213 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. Oh right. I disabled that. I use multi-row tab bar instead. < 1301072233 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in tabmix plus settings I think < 1301072234 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's also ctrl-shift-e. < 1301072250 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about how it mixes (no pun intended) with tabmixery. < 1301072256 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301072285 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does seem to work. At least it does what you described (showing preview icons) < 1301072292 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it groups though < 1301072302 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can have multiple of them windows. < 1301072308 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the one seems to be movable. < 1301072313 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301072320 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a "name this tab group" thing shown near the top. < 1301072338 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can create a new group by dragging in the non-group area < 1301072349 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how does that affect the tab bar? < 1301072354 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ooh, so you can; I was *just* about to try it. < 1301072373 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tab bar only shows the current group < 1301072388 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, would have been more useful if it colour coded the tabs or something < 1301072405 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I see pointless visual effects < 1301072412 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So how do you multi-select tabs to move them into a new group? Control-clickery, shift-clickery or drag-a-rectangle don't seem to work. :/ < 1301072415 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when closing the tab group page < 1301072423 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes some zooming out kind of effect < 1301072427 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather jerky too < 1301072441 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Dunno < 1301072469 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really used it other than a few minutes of playing around with rc1 :-P < 1301072480 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news Arch Linux seems to finally call Firefox Firefox < 1301072486 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nam...whatever before < 1301072500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ooh, that's funky: if I close a group, it turns into a small [...] thing that says "undo close group [x]". < 1301072502 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namoroka, the devname for 3.6 < 1301072508 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the licensing deals firefox has re: name < 1301072515 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that, Shiretoko, for 3.5. < 1301072522 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes I know it was the dev name. I just couldn't remember it :P < 1301072537 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (... what's less funky is that the "undo" icon auto-disappeared after a dozen seconds or so.) < 1301072550 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they seem to have gone for the foxy icon as well. They used the plain bluish globe icon before < 1301072575 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thunderbird still isn't thunderbird however < 1301072604 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the DPI issue remains... < 1301072617 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing I have now (installed a daily-ish build of 4 from the LaunchPad PPA thing) seems to call itself "Minefield". < 1301072677 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301072725 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm somehow restarting firefox fixed the dpi issue on normal pages < 1301072726 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1301072738 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of GUI text is still huge < 1301072744 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be intentional though < 1301072756 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the add-on tab for example. < 1301072844 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow the interface looks even more dumbed down < 1301072877 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301072987 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think the proper word is something like "streamlined" or "user-centricized" or "dynamistically reoriented in adventurious new ways". < 1301073034 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, dumbed down :P < 1301073064 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also the last one is a parody right? Or has someone actually used that one seriously? < 1301073174 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just came up with it, but of course I can't guarantee no-one's said it ever seriously. < 1301073224 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "dumbed down", it's "interactionally liminal". < 1301073334 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :liminal? < 1301073366 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen artsy-and-designy people use that word in randomish contexts. < 1301073396 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :spell checker thinks it doesn't exist. < 1301073405 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Liminality (from the Latin word līmen, meaning "a threshold") The liminal state is characterized by ambiguity, openness, and indeterminacy. One's sense of identity dissolves to some extent, bringing about disorientation. ..." < 1301073418 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a. gen. Of or pertaining to the threshold or initial stage of a process. rare. b. spec. in Psychol. Of or pertaining to a ‘limen’ or ‘threshold’." < 1301073437 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, food-time. -> < 1301073440 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1301073935 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, trying to right click on a book mark and open properties for it doesn't work in firefox 4 for me < 1301073967 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I assume you switched, does that action work for you? Would be useful to know where to start looking for the cause (extensions or elsewhere) < 1301074029 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it works for me (in a folder in the bookmark bar) < 1301074040 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about from the bookmarks menu? < 1301074057 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work there, it *does* work in the bookmark bar however < 1301074095 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works there too < 1301074099 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1301074133 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wtf, it works after restarting firefox < 1301074888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the UNIX-HATERS Handbook.
< 1301075402 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you make phase of moon with integer arithmetic? < 1301075656 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone types on their program "Licensed under GNU GPL version 5 or later version", then does it mean you have to wait for version 5 of GNU GPL to be invented? < 1301075829 0 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301075829 0 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1301075829 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1301076558 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: AFAIK that would effectively mean that there is no license (and so no legal use) until GPLv5 is released, but "until" doesn't usually work well in law so in practice it may very well just be no license. < 1301076720 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I was asking hypothetically, since there is probably not a real reason to write such a note on your program (if GPLv5 is not yet released). < 1301076776 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have known of some copyrights which are set to expire earlier than normal, but those are just making public domain afterward, as well as being a fixed date at which it expires. So it is different than this case. < 1301076838 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no legal way to actually make the copyright expire early, all those are are special licenses with time limits. < 1301076981 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something like: "Copyright ____ All rights reserved. Special license: After the date of June 1, 2003, this work is in the public domain; if that is not possible, then after the date of June 1, 2003, everyone has irrevocable permanent license to use it for any possible use with no restrictions, as if it is not copyrighted." < 1301077052 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this correct? < 1301077301 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first clause has no purpose, you cannot decree something to be in the public domain in a license. < 1301077350 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it correct if the first clause is omitted? < 1301077996 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1301078019 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola < 1301078085 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola < 1301078134 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :princess: Hello, what do you want, please? < 1301078193 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want tu speak with you < 1301078198 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :About what? < 1301078262 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don`t know < 1301078277 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :THIS TOPIC FAILS AT BEING BLANK | BUT IT ALSO FAILS AT REFERRING TO ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301078282 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles his thumbs :P
< 1301078292 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can just wait and seeing in case of anyone else type something you are interested with. < 1301078340 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301078417 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :princess, I'm afraid we're not the best place to learn to speak. < 1301078561 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :jajaja < 1301078616 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this < 1301078642 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I`m Spanish < 1301078656 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we had gathered. < 1301078677 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :そう思いにならせました。 < 1301078699 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Helpful as always. < 1301078705 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I strive. < 1301078752 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1301078792 0 :princess!~princess@2.pool85-62-179.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1301078832 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people. < 1301078835 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRIVING HER AWAY < 1301078845 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS SUCH IS OUR WONT < 1301078860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I FEEL THE "AS" THERE IS UNNECESSARY < 1301078875 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm appending to Gregor's sentence. < 1301078887 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the "SUCH" is unnecessary. < 1301078927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the MIs go from 1 up to 19. < 1301078930 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I SUCH LOVE SUCH USING SUCH UNNECESSARIILY SUCH THAT SUCH I SUCH SHALL SUCH USE SUCH IT SUCH < 1301078947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *went < 1301078961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All but 5 and 6 are defunct. < 1301079062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and 13 didn't exist. < 1301079065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR SO WE ARE TOLD < 1301079227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, MY JAPANESE FRIEND INFORMS ME THAT THING YOU SAID DOES NOT REALLY MAKE SENSe < 1301079229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SENSE < 1301079234 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301079370 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, sure enough, I did fuck it up. < 1301079418 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301079496 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :そう思わせられました。 is a bit more what I was going for. XD < 1301080999 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really dislike the \outer command in TeX. Therefore, I do not use it. < 1301081011 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets in the way of a lot of things. < 1301081099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps on old computers that were much slower, it might make sense to do this (and other) kind of error checking, that you can try to recover the rest of the document as much as possible so that you can proofread it. But new computer is much faster and such things as that are not very good, in my opinion, at least. < 1301081987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, speak! < 1301081987 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it would be nice < 1301082025 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best response ever. < 1301082172 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301083270 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was elliott last here? < 1301083300 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few seconds this morning < 1301084436 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-157.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301084595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, wait, is this damn connection still hating me? < 1301084595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301084597 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: exciting... i've took a few seconds... on a train, just past puistola. stopped here, the usual mode of operation is to make a living hacking on eclipse plugins, come see me in my place < 1301084606 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART #esoteric : < 1301084618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301084643 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: now that was sad < 1301084643 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a space profiler for s48? is there anything in scheme48 that is like mine uses modified csv files to store the size < 1301084771 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, Puistola's a place in Helsinki. Wonder who said that. < 1301085103 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-157.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi < 1301085209 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-157.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301085816 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-168-220.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301085840 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301085848 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-214-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301085887 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301085895 0 :pumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1301086003 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-157.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301086100 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Linear Algebra fun? < 1301086203 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if done right < 1301086203 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebra in general is < 1301086265 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301086303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, group theory is fun too. < 1301086488 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301086509 0 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-70-25.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not < 1301086511 0 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-70-25.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT's terrible < 1301086547 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, NO IT ISN'T < 1301086806 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Puistola" pronounced Pwi-sto-la or Pu-i-sto-la? < 1301086896 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a diphthong but I wouldn't call it "pwi" :-P < 1301086925 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary IPA's the "puisto" word as [ˈpuisto̞]. < 1301086934 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how very helpful. < 1301086958 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it more like Puj-sto-la, then? < 1301086968 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which half of the diphthong is the major half? < 1301086991 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you an audio file out of this speech recognition data corpus if you want. < 1301086997 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be useful, yes. < 1301087007 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Puistola's a place on a Monopoly board. P < 1301087009 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s//:/ < 1301087106 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/puistola.wav should perhaps have it. I haven't bothered to test-listen to it at all. < 1301087118 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there also a Lautakävely? :P < 1301087139 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The transcript says "sain hyvän syötön pasi puistolalta", where it's a name of a person, but it should be pronounced the same way anyway. < 1301087182 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long ago was windows 7 released now again? Roughly < 1301087213 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I'm wrong there should be another windows version due soon < 1301087229 0 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds pretty Pu-i-sto-lal-ta-ish, though you could call it Puj as well. < 1301087254 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 8's supposed to come in 2012. < 1301087278 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301087291 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't think there's any official word yet though.) < 1301087293 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the next version no longer uses a keyboard or mouse, no longer will run on a PC, and all documents *must* be stored on the internet so that they can spy on you. < 1301087331 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know whether or not any of this is true. < 1301087343 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds extremely unlikely < 1301087349 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the bit about no keyboard < 1301087449 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There has been some word on a "new version" that'd be tablet-oriented. < 1301087459 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might of course be a completely different thing than Windows 8. < 1301087473 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah aren't there tablet versions of current windows as well < 1301087496 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, all of the things I wrote might be only the tablet version. < 1301087500 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, come on, if they dropped non-tablet, what would programmers targeting windows use. And so on. < 1301087570 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write programs in C so that they are not only for Windows or only for any specific computer or operating system. < 1301087641 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck. You will need it to do anything non-trivial. < 1301087689 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301087697 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this why C was invented? < 1301087700 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pointlessly pessimistic you are, Vorpal. You can write portable C that does all sorts of shit, so long as you don't care about GUIs. < 1301087727 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or listing a directory. < 1301087731 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, C defines functions for working on files. It does not even consider directories < 1301087736 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, gah you beat me to it < 1301087742 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, nor network, < 1301087744 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or threads < 1301087759 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most of my programs do not have GUIs, and most of them do not need to do directory listings either, or network, or threads... < 1301087769 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I'm sure you can do some pretty non-trivial data-processing tasks even in portable C. < 1301087787 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1301087794 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C1x has threads. :p < 1301087811 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threads are /sort of/ a problem. Networking isn't since BSD sockets are universal. Windows (and everything else) supports opendir/readdir/closedir. < 1301087811 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gerbil.org/tom/ < 1301087813 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, pure C is only really useful as a common base to build on < 1301087815 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will use SDL if I want graphics and audio. SDL works on many systems. < 1301087818 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recent news < 1301087818 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tue Aug 28 2001) A new tesla bootstrap has been released. < 1301087821 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even do sensible OS coding in pure C < 1301087826 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But the DS9K. < 1301087856 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want programming an operating system, the parts that are specific to the computer can be programmed by machine-codes or assembly language. < 1301087858 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait what? Are you assuming a /hosted environment/? < 1301087859 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1301087863 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "portable C code" I mean "C code written for existing systems which are not totally retarded". And my basis is pretty lax since I let Windows in. < 1301087865 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I'm not. < 1301087907 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, err, I'm pretty sure you do in the statement about common OS :P < 1301087943 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, I thought you were complaining about my opendir/readdir on Windows statement. < 1301087959 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, if you only assume a freestanding implementation, then you can't do any IO at all. < 1301087961 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, as well. < 1301087961 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I mean C code hosted in an OS, but when people write portable Python code nobody say "BUT IT DOESN'T RUN ON METAL HAW I'M TARDED" < 1301087966 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed. < 1301087978 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nobody says < 1301087978 0 :comex_!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301087984 0 :yorick_!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1301087991 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To contrast, TeX is *absolutely the same everywhere* (as long as you do not use LaTeX, pdfTeX, e-TeX, XeTeX, or any of those other things). TeX is not for writing operating systems, though. It is for writing documents to print out. < 1301087999 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301088000 0 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301088005 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I haven't been doing hosted C code programming for several weeks now. I was doing freestanding just 4 days ago < 1301088017 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well freestanding with extensions < 1301088018 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You were not writing portable C code. < 1301088026 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nor is that an argument that portable C code does not exist. < 1301088032 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed. I was including and so on < 1301088043 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: All that's an argument for is that C is powerful enough to write both portable and unportable code, so good for C. < 1301088076 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, true. Anyway you can't do much interesting in portable C really. Where portable C means what the C standard requires < 1301088092 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *can* do quite a lot if you assume your mostly portable superset of that < 1301088100 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That really depends on your definition of "interesting". < 1301088113 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, interacting with other stuff in this case. < 1301088125 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, that's because the C standard is a pointlessly-strict requirement. < 1301088145 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sure you can do data processing and a simple line based text UI, but that isn't very interesting < 1301088175 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, that's just your opinion. < 1301088203 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say our speech recognition system could be portable C, and it would still qualify as non-trivial. < 1301088207 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I could write portable freestanding C code, with the exception of the name and signature of the entry point... I wouldn't be able to observe the results however. < 1301088214 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301088220 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm true < 1301088494 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301088530 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you happen to know why elliott left this channel? < 1301088555 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can just use stdin/stdout, where the audio is on stdin and the text is on stdout. Now it is a proper speech recognition system. < 1301088569 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I saw some discussion in the logs, but really I haven't been following. < 1301088592 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301088615 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm sure there should be something in between as well. :P < 1301088644 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-03-23.txt 18:20 or so. 's all I know. < 1301088649 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hearsay and so on.) < 1301088654 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Perhaps the command-line parameter to set the options. Now is it enough? < 1301088690 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I didn't mean that... < 1301088707 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301088712 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then what do you mean, please? < 1301088757 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I mean you need something in between stdin and stdout to make it "a proper speech recognition system" :P < 1301088761 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm watching The Website Is Down < 1301088782 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice that in this video, the person is playing some old FPS, and it immediately strikes me as old < 1301088792 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you need? Just the program, isn't it? < 1301088795 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet just before, a different one that I saw, he was playing NetHack < 1301088801 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't think of it as old < 1301088838 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1301089203 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301089547 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don?t quit smoking... LEARN TO SMOKE THE HEALTHY WAY!!! < 1301089798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, not that unreasonable. < 1301089818 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1301089892 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301091549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches Father Ted.
< 1301091772 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now playing a joke NetHack simulator < 1301091788 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on the Astral Plane on an altar without the amulet < 1301091858 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com/nethack.html < 1301091909 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You quaff a potion of YASD" < 1301092064 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Killed by insulting the parser" < 1301092147 0 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1301092191 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"killed by pressing the letter 'd' < 1301092204 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("You drop... dead") < 1301092398 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1301092464 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301092591 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure it out < 1301092761 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke nethack? < 1301092776 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jokehack. < 1301092781 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1301092836 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why would you expect a joke nethack to be survivable... < 1301092868 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the blog post says so < 1301092884 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish. < 1301092889 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dpt.thewebsiteisdown.com/dpt/ < 1301092965 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay! It says I found the gold but it says I don't have any! < 1301093061 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, hmm < 1301093072 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Seppuku message is also associated with a different death < 1301093108 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301093155 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try wielding the elf, then the lichen < 1301093158 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or other way around < 1301093261 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to remove the armor? < 1301093273 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's possible < 1301093410 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, can you win the real nethack btw? < 1301093419 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, have you been able to < 1301093422 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1301093433 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you need more practise then :) < 1301093434 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a game on NAO, haven't touched it in a while < 1301093448 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why not play locally? Way less lag that way < 1301093708 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to play a bit of Crawl I think < 1301094818 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-168-220.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301094910 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-152.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301094932 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??you feel nervous for a moment < 1301095083 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-152.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301095240 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-152.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1301095430 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you use the function if a "while" or "for" loop is allowed to have a "else" clause, which would be executed if the loop terminates without using "break"? < 1301095601 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301096081 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that sounds Falcon-like < 1301096115 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you know if Falcon has such a thing? And, do you use Falcon? < 1301096161 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has for-else loops < 1301096187 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if Falcon has it < 1301096198 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they the same as this or different? And does it have while-else loops? < 1301096216 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has while-else loops, and it's what you're describing, I think < 1301096224 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/tutorial/controlflow.html < 1301096270 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, section 4.4 says the same kind of thing I am describing. < 1301096652 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-162-91.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301096697 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-152.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301096697 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301096763 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301096984 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: Goodbye, cruel world! < 1301097027 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301097074 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-28.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301097181 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301097308 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301097336 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1301154538 430274 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301154538 661982 :glogbot!~glogbot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301154667 938209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ...glogbot was down? < 1301154687 708031 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codu was down :P < 1301154694 466384 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point I have no idea why. < 1301154735 113533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for it being ultra-reliable. < 1301154806 384286 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtf TRAC < 1301154812 877630 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRAC IS SUCH A PIECE OF FUCKING GARBAGE < 1301154829 432027 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trac is currently taking 100% CPU and slowly but surely chewing through all my memory. < 1301154858 27766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you _using_ it? < 1301154960 237385 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my project management. < 1301154974 101803 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ticket tracking on some, homepages on the other, and login management on all. < 1301154986 389221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBLE METALS < 1301154991 295925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y U NO UNREACTIVE < 1301155747 784799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, ah you like periodic videos too ← no, I stumbled upon them and I was starting to enjoy them before you said that. <-- wait what. Do you mean you no longer enjoy them, now that you know I like them? < 1301157893 803625 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want there to be an elementary particle consisting of a small positive charge surrounded by a large and equal negative charge. < 1301157916 715997 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shall behave just like an atom, and it shall form no chemical compounds at all. < 1301157965 200387 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noble m etals? < 1301157995 229873 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the metals, mostly precious or semi-precious, like silver and copper, that are relatively unreactive. < 1301158001 114754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not metals made of noble gasses < 1301158013 936754 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Those would be confusing. < 1301158745 199345 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301158756 155092 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301158756 362161 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301158886 362910 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301159104 718124 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-246-194.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301159107 73338 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301159730 643978 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301159881 242519 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :User:Ian wrote some things about VAX (and about other things) that I didn't know. < 1301160670 602150 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1301161181 732954 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301161195 712820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: the metals, mostly precious or semi-precious, like silver and copper, that are relatively unreactive. ← except no. < 1301161207 55064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the platinum group, gold and silver according to WP. < 1301161227 908632 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they have a more specific definition than I thought. < 1301161230 434838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also mercury and rhenium. < 1301161239 973525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_metal < 1301161244 656562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just complete crap. < 1301161267 287850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both silver and osmium react with _air_ at room temperature. < 1301161302 758667 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silver as a "noble metal"? < 1301161312 614182 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the notion has no valuable meaning. < 1301161312 819911 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you invent any computer with LFSR-based PC? < 1301161325 863164 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *copper*. < 1301161333 774245 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301161348 150719 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze, copper is often used *explicitly for how it appears after corrosion*. < 1301161348 357167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no, it's not noble. < 1301161369 336824 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's on the list! < 1301161379 120696 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, "including several non-noble metals". < 1301161384 808738 :cheater-!~cheater@g231050047.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301161386 308265 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still bullshit that silver is on there. < 1301161397 592921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also chemists and metallurgists consider copper and bismuth not noble metals because they easily oxidize due to the reaction O2 + 2 H2O + 4 e− ⇄ 4 OH−(aq) +0.40 V which is possible in moist air. < 1301161404 491072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSMIUM REACTS WITH AIR YOU IDIOTS < 1301161408 121601 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold, platinum, iridium, sure. But *silver*? < 1301161428 713674 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just put fucking sodium on there and call it a day? :P < 1301161428 919542 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301161447 100241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, silver doesn't react with pure air or water, apparently. < 1301161467 240181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I want there to be an elementary particle consisting of a small positive charge surrounded by a large and equal negative charge. < 1301161467 447390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It shall behave just like an atom, and it shall form no chemical compounds at all. < 1301161474 184825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes... no sense. < 1301161479 168260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sodium is far from the other ones on the periodic table < 1301161491 192708 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Client Quit < 1301161496 38295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charge is a fundamental property of a particle; you can't have it distributed throughout. < 1301161518 330396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do you have something that behaves just like an atom which forms no chemical compounds? < 1301161534 414066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want van der Waals forces? < 1301161954 136573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chemistry is so annoying... < 1301162133 845247 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301162145 328633 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got all the *annoying* physics interactions in it < 1301162184 683924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much that as the omnipresent and blatant lies-to-children. < 1301162215 315182 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's probably worse. < 1301162252 421847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Newtonian mechanics are entirely valid unless you reach insane extremes. < 1301162279 977167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The electron shell model you're taught at school fails at the transition metals. < 1301162314 609195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mechanics you're told for covalent bonds fail to account for either carbon monoxide or ozone. < 1301162432 77161 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Newtonian mechanics pretty comprehensively covers what we regularly observe. < 1301162475 893437 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301162491 279000 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301162503 941174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my chemistry teacher is an _idiot_/ < 1301162534 437416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_She had to ask the physics department whether liquids could have pressure after I pointed it out._ < 1301162536 869954 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301162704 872863 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze. < 1301162745 959737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so she had confused pressure and compression, but that's scarcely better.) < 1301163062 835577 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301163928 697290 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be a command that tells the compiler that the bitwise OR, bitwise XOR, or addition, can all work in this place and it should select one for the current circumstance in the target computer. < 1301164018 181252 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301164058 289016 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1301164089 123341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is the case if it is known that ((x&y)==0) ?) < 1301164127 516633 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott: if you're reading the logs, http://twitcode.org/show/257/forth-outer-interpreter-version-2 < 1301164193 151828 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that actually happens in the last step of integer-math partially-transparent rendering routine I wrote. Needing to OR two number that have all sets bits disjoint. < 1301164207 211647 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*set bits < 1301164278 923039 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: What programming language did you use and what is this program more specific? < 1301164305 808364 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an algorithm. And I have implemented it in both Java and C++. < 1301164308 950404 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301164336 906922 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301164354 28996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, I've relayed it to him. < 1301164365 54346 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :-) < 1301164373 428435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you never replied to this: < 1301164377 691330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, ah you like periodic videos too ← no, I stumbled upon them and I was starting to enjoy them before you said that. <-- wait what. Do you mean you no longer enjoy them, now that you know I like them? < 1301164397 824518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, your approval has made it RUINED FOREVER. < 1301164401 389115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like PRATCHETT. < 1301164405 189058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MINECRAFT. < 1301164414 576371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, XD < 1301164419 471884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I take that as a no then < 1301164434 170438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if not I approve of whatever you love :P < 1301164437 335669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS TARNISHED BY YOU < 1301164463 303912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't get why you hate me. *shrug* < 1301164489 835972 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301164499 383830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, BECAUSE YOU ARE SWEDISH < 1301164503 989400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1301164504 275339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry olsner. < 1301164520 331459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also FireFly and BeholdMyGlory < 1301164522 422773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal has ruined Sweden FOREVER as well. < 1301164547 666038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm *so* going to move to UK :P < 1301164568 892019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Move to England, you can't make them any worse. < 1301164575 846542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just stay the hell away from Wales. < 1301164585 369567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about Scotland? < 1301164608 417463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that's fine. < 1301164614 427687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all heathen scum up there. < 1301164623 641944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, aren't you from Scotland iirc? < 1301164632 609940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, nope, Wales. < 1301164636 27839 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with England? < 1301164650 109861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, huh, I thought you were up in Edinburgh < 1301164651 719211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, EVERYTHING < 1301164659 900807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you must have misremembered. < 1301164675 362817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so what city are you in then? < 1301164680 842880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Newport. < 1301164691 423586 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The English invented the computer... can't be that bad. < 1301164705 812545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, huh < 1301164740 307383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wait, do you *live* in Wales too? < 1301164748 789326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ...yes? < 1301164749 185030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to being born there < 1301164751 220223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301164772 702121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very confusing then. I wonder who was up in Edinburgh in this channel < 1301164773 701303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301164804 341423 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-177-156.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301164821 852146 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-110.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301164925 29017 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: The English also invented the English language, but the Americans made it great! *runs* < 1301164939 963562 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301164945 791601 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the germans invented the computer < 1301165024 647586 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English also invented some of the best 8 bit computers... BBC, Spectrum, Dragon :-P < 1301165072 960996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so Wales. That's it. Hilly isn't it? < 1301165101 479111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1301165112 774819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, rather low hills iirc? < 1301165122 769386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the UK doesn't have non-low hills. < 1301165129 367492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1301165153 254993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hilly compared to, say, south England. < 1301165172 555425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301165173 776099 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301165179 342891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so corrugated terrain mostly < 1301165193 236079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, basically. < 1301165402 869870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : English also invented some of the best 8 bit computers... BBC, Spectrum, Dragon :-P < 1301165408 627967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE INVENTED THE DRAGON YOU BASTARD < 1301165444 540124 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the \linepenalty parameter in TeX is not really a penalty value. Instead, it is an adjustment to the badness value for each line. < 1301165739 296283 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welsh company (Dragon Data), English owners (Mettoy). Therefore an English invention. :-P < 1301165772 39507 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net TOPIC #esoteric :THIS TOPIC FAILS AT BEING BLANK | BUT IT ALSO FAILS AT REFERRING TO ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | NO IT DOESN'T < 1301166013 708035 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 QUIT :Quit: rebooting... < 1301166643 658683 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net TOPIC #esoteric :THIS TOPIC FAILS AT BEING BLANK | BUT IT ALSO FAILS AT REFERRING TO ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | AS WELL AS AT BEING SELF-CONSISTENT < 1301167896 58328 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301167935 876878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc debug output (why do I get that?) seems rather strange: < 1301167937 761080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: call to rand() < 1301167941 275278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1301167945 780949 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301167949 300904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, highly dangerous function < 1301168113 435703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't a terribly good random number generator IIRC. < 1301168120 304141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random() should be used instead. < 1301168166 94548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on some systems. < 1301168180 440575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whilst random() is guaranteed to work well. < 1301168196 135959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Good design? In MY Unix?) < 1301168604 859317 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301168898 49483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some old UNIXes, rand() was infamous for alternating odd and even numbers < 1301168903 850907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if any are quite that stupid nowadays, though < 1301168945 998720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just holding out for quantum RNGs that can fit on a chip. < 1301168969 140711 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301169002 938513 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-177-156.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301169068 464759 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301169267 32459 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301169373 890088 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301169547 299795 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301169985 915669 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301170089 36167 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301170253 651720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*It is 2011.* < 1301170273 686971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I should not have to manually reset a WiFi connection every 30 seconds.* < 1301170423 976808 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should never have had to do such a thing in any year < 1301170429 515782 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately not the truth, however < 1301170453 810867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a list of people to stab for allowing things like this to happen. < 1301170574 959206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally i wonder whether the universe has a fundamental law which prevents any item from working in a truly non-annoying manner. < 1301170639 273641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the harder you try to make something perfect, the worse it fails. < 1301170654 167422 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding < 1301170672 808807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301170673 565849 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found out that the problem i am having with my keyboard is a known problem ("chatter") and that i should have RMAed it but it's too late < 1301170674 457653 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301170685 935958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301170703 362061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst part is that it's not even *consistent*. < 1301170716 43043 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i get to try and clean contacts or something (or maybe replace switches?) to approach 'non-annoying' < 1301170723 654714 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1301170732 93314 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does a radio connection which is perfect nearly all of the time become untenable when nothing is changed? < 1301170736 819042 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can wheedle an RMA fix out of them anyway, but not likely; elitekeyboards doesn't sell filco anymore i think < 1301170750 395885 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wifi is black magic < 1301170754 308705 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea man :| < 1301170765 864674 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend bought a high gain antenna and plugged it in < 1301170772 763688 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sees like 50 APs now instead of 3 < 1301170778 612087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not entitle it to what are effectively phase-of-the-moon bugs. < 1301170781 1426 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but connecting to the local one he gets disconnected constantly < 1301170795 4252 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he asks me what's wrong < 1301170804 37408 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tell him wifi < 1301170805 28471 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1301170839 925199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had wifi troubles which are inconsistent authentication issues, with the signal fine < 1301170884 920168 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301171603 397416 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, nope, Wales. < 1301171672 684473 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why don't you have a silly unpronouncable nick like ndrylliog < 1301171696 994768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, preventing cheap sheep jokes. < 1301171708 33684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301171717 12253 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1301171739 963028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : *I should not have to manually reset a WiFi connection every 30 seconds.* <-- Sorry, due to budget constraints that feature has been postproned to 2013. < 1301171744 328816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phyntwm_Hyvyr < 1301171754 824390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyntwm_Hyvyr, awesome :D < 1301171781 274821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! What is that longest name in the world-place in Wales < 1301171790 665209 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmnnwiworkjowirklfjoiu < 1301171795 790809 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :llanfairsomethinggogogoch < 1301171801 190995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, something along that line yes :P < 1301171806 962299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyntwm_Hyvyr, and more importantly can you pronounce it < 1301171810 143345 :Phyntwm_Hyvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301171813 129842 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is right < 1301171813 700606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's typically abbreviated "Llanfair PG" < 1301171818 52368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301171820 916297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch? < 1301171823 215144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301171827 40487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name was designed just to amuse tourists < 1301171836 807462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1301171847 572231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst implementation of channel avoidance ever < 1301171850 361612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, elliott is log reading < 1301171857 407922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, quite < 1301171913 586443 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what do you think of some Crawl interface changes in 0.8 < 1301171922 701316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: which changes specifically? < 1301171924 253214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long_place_names#Names_with_spaces_or_hyphen there is a longer place name in NZ < 1301171930 625668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of that one before < 1301171932 908310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, spellcasting is different < 1301171951 551332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Crawl, as in stone soup? < 1301171961 24928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1301171986 486354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try it out some day < 1301171997 944166 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1301172228 855664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.... Does Welsh concatenate to create new words? < 1301172231 471908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume so < 1301172234 61854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that name < 1301172312 249438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in placenames it does < 1301172409 954728 :Phyntwm_Hyvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phyntwm_Hwvyr < 1301172450 852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about elsewhere? < 1301172455 229361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1301172593 442765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??recharging < 1301172629 307133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wrong channel? < 1301172633 682821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1301172771 269962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to recharge the wrong channel, trust me < 1301172819 494065 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, science has ruined helium for me. < 1301172840 33455 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see it used anywhere without thinking it's wasteful. < 1301172875 825765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can always make more once we have nuclear fusion going < 1301172877 12362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1301172894 109487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That would just be trace amounts?) < 1301172912 148550 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no, but it's not as awesome as Other Helium Source. < 1301172915 564128 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the Moon. < 1301172942 19538 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-181.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301172964 283438 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND AFTER THAT THE ASTEROIDS < 1301172968 266030 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRIDIUM FOR ALL < 1301173213 188347 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-11.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301173367 532501 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo, no, but it's not as awesome as Other Helium Source. <-- i thought i'd read that was "yes", assuming you don't want to waste enormous amounts of energy larger than any humanity can currently use... < 1301173391 979581 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301173483 105338 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301173678 458802 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm, OK. < 1301173679 24137 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301174024 465349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't see it used anywhere without thinking it's wasteful. <-- indeed, except in very specialized applications is is extremely wasteful < 1301174079 35076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyntwm_Hwvyr, I propose a helium "mine" on one of the gas giants < 1301174097 952450 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, pointless, given that the Moon has a fair deal of it. < 1301174128 665692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyntwm_Hwvyr, how can it hold it? I mean, it has even less gravity < 1301174163 778710 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, helium is slammed straight into the rock by the solar wind and gets stuck there, rather than bouncing off the atmosphere. < 1301174172 774821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1301174184 949425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyntwm_Hwvyr, how hard would it be to extract though < 1301174230 973833 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't think it would be so hard as to stop it being worthwhile. < 1301174231 187792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hm, how does it stay there? Helium doesn't form bonds easily < 1301174278 574822 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but even so it hits the rock at a fair fraction of c, and bonds or no bonds some of it will stick. < 1301174309 241867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyntwm_Hwvyr, it might be easier to do it on the gas giants. Especially if you can send it back in unmanned pods cheaply along ITN. < 1301174331 602534 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it would be _vastly_ harder to skim gas from the gas giants. < 1301174341 922844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1301174408 109880 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like helium-3 is the main one they're interested in from the Moon. < 1301174460 569271 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301174463 796571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyntwm_Hwvyr, helium-4 is very rare < 1301174476 576016 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, wrong way 'round. < 1301174486 490014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1301174557 659540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tritium, with a 12-year half-life, decays into helium-3" hm < 1301174647 121209 :zbasubot!~zbasubot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301174657 247462 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works! < 1301174681 529979 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do anything, but it works. < 1301174844 393758 :Phyntwm_Hwvyr!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301174850 689054 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301174860 717670 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, another bot. < 1301174862 547945 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we are undergoing a localised singularity. < 1301174890 145269 :zbasubot!~zbasubot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301174904 259976 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT : < 1301174912 335674 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, probably. < 1301174925 474478 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301174997 637091 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why no terrorists have sabotaged planes with mercury.
< 1301175006 7986 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it doesn't have enough panache. < 1301175014 646818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, what would mercury do to planes? < 1301175024 776033 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poison the people on them. < 1301175032 472704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from that < 1301175050 245276 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scans the skies for signs of a bot entrance.
< 1301175066 947973 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it got klined somehow. < 1301175067 949264 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm just going to leave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ilxsu-JlY here. < 1301175078 965902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, right. It was a while ago I watched them < 1301175150 900325 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, I think it's just broken. < 1301175605 304884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1301176435 541101 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a new channel for ISCOM updates, #iscom. < 1301176598 575616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster, what is iscom? < 1301176624 878315 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster's Shameless Clone Of Migol. < 1301176667 709022 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ISCOM < 1301176788 892578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301176987 941938 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, why can't I keep doing science into university. < 1301177161 660075 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Tell us? < 1301177188 960893 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the fine structure constant is too small. < 1301177207 337786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is just no room < 1301177502 733704 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301177815 219639 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301177890 195849 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301178120 138809 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1301178598 22673 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-170.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301178604 57147 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-11.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301178791 17701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301178822 77701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the parts with small numbers for the previous/next month in the calendar, are called? < 1301178942 107088 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromblitzes < 1301179098 771292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1301179146 711759 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: awesome, you better pass that AV < 1301179174 16847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it won't pass, in the current political climate < 1301179269 400891 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301179504 684808 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301179578 614273 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1301179589 124813 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301179591 466432 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dman you brits for ruining every chance we'd have of fixing our political climate < 1301179602 268037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the typo was deliberate < 1301179610 642765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I dislike religious swearing) < 1301179647 403421 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dman is a perfectly valid word! < 1301179650 398411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, christ, you really need to stop this goddamn prudery. < 1301179685 399590 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an unrelated note: why did I decide to take a graduate logic course? < 1301179697 397037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're illogical. < 1301179705 243855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a beautifully cunning plan. < 1301179713 927258 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRILLIATN < 1301179721 948001 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also a word) < 1301179848 54561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, apparently the crystalline structure of chocolate is non-trivial. < 1301179933 25967 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301179933 630425 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301179933 836301 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301179990 57812 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliatn is just the kind of word you might expect to see on a road sign in this region of norway < 1301180041 639021 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking like it could actually mean something in one of the dialects here < 1301180088 760745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What could it mean in one of the dialects there? < 1301180144 776806 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's almost brilla (glasses) + vatn (water, lake) < 1301180357 173760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :breivatn _is_ a place name (brei = wide) < 1301180384 371885 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(got it as a google suggestion when i tried brilvatn) < 1301180481 920638 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i would be surprised if there weren't at least a handful of lakes by that name < 1301181045 23106 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-2-84.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301181364 286750 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that a computer with LFSR-based program counter might be a bit more efficient than the standard ones with addition?? < 1301181407 191413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, arrays could be indexed by XOR instead of with addition. < 1301181665 992158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that would work well if array elements have sizes that are not powers of 2 < 1301181708 485476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would also mean you would need to malloc 2^n sizes, i think < 1301181755 499183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could work, if one array is element size 3 and one array is elements size 1 < 1301181794 112486 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes, but they would need to have the same number of elements to fill out the combined space < 1301181819 689820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you could split one of those spaces into two arrays < 1301181848 656480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301182108 576074 :cheater-!~cheater@g228062042.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301182188 105097 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301182284 104359 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301182488 961055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how efficient would such a computer be that does these things? < 1301182567 631111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301182793 7662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with people calling Mathematica a groundbreaking masterpiece of software? < 1301182917 205791 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301183160 212349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, it is just a extra large software doing a lot of things, although we have better things for sure. We do not need Mathematica. We can do mathematics without paying anyone. Wolfram tries to make mathematics to cost a lot of money!! < 1301183337 400134 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is certainly capable to make a lot of things. < 1301183339 483773 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host < 1301183339 690200 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301183563 414809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301183592 31915 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1301183657 496831 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301183803 674079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl check out sam hughes' latest tweet < 1301184327 398012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301185203 438905 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-170.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301185208 429448 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-237.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301186997 789 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1301187224 907225 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any one left? < 1301187261 767467 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is about to make food
< 1301187323 817160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you going to eat? Paper or plastic?^W^W^W < 1301187490 928931 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh this article I'm reading reminds me of what I regard as one of the most delusional programming-related comments I have ever heard, which basically said that if C# ever goes out of style, it is easy to auto-translate the program into something else. :-) < 1301187526 144869 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: Goodbye, cruel world! < 1301188134 571508 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: coarse bread slices, one with bacon/liver paté, one with blue cheese, and 1/2 with chicken/curry baguette spread. and a cup of orange juice. < 1301188354 181560 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION basks in saved daylight
< 1301188450 354760 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like daylight saving time. It doesn't save daylight; it just mixes up the time so that it doesn't match. < 1301188563 389606 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301188693 230931 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301190310 539918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1301190455 591933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301191126 350391 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301191334 493744 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301195773 319531 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301196076 183139 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301200425 425300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301200428 899812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't resist, < 1301200430 636830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.basis.netii.net/ursala/links.html < 1301200434 765668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ursala's links page links to esolang < 1301200438 515923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301200520 426484 :lediable!~chacrasse@212.203.98.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301200847 279359 :lediable!~chacrasse@212.203.98.114 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301203114 391939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301203840 134021 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World!?! < 1301204628 505253 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed RFC1 has some errors in it. < 1301204981 125305 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they call it a request for comment < 1301204987 598803 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to a Stone Tablet < 1301204988 421836 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1301205727 294718 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Some of the diagrams are mistyped. < 1301205764 66934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I downloaded it and it had no carriage returns, but I think RFC format is supposed to be printable text? It does have form feeds. < 1301205971 25074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the program ANYTODVI it can print out this RFC by using a file with printer codes with Meta Printer Language. After inserting carriage returns it print correctly. (But it still has the errors in the ASCII diagrams) < 1301206210 72870 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-152-175.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301206241 516719 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-237.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301206750 407670 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1301208606 823977 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-122.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301208622 641531 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-152-175.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301209451 266859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-122.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301209680 601360 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301210149 636737 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301211464 459445 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301212253 704982 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301212259 512962 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: 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1301233217 994876 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301233449 296328 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301234266 47977 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301234438 68569 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301234999 168605 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301234999 373029 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301234999 373192 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301235145 556686 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301235151 233359 :cheater-!~cheater@g224200179.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301235291 547852 :cheater-!~cheater@g231048169.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301236737 769812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1301236738 318480 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if the list is in random order, like poor ehird here < 1301236743 239902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1301236770 896847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey That data "scientist" somehow got an article into the Scientific American. < 1301236771 102930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1301237275 73602 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301237275 466722 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301237275 671711 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301237433 540020 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301237525 863055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what "scientist"? < 1301237536 831478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Phantom_Hoover: if the list is in random order, like poor ehird here < 1301237537 646467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget her name. < 1301237537 851727 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: " too much free time, fine :) i think that sicp is http://mitpress.mit.edu/ sicp/, the texinfo at http://www.neilvandyke.org/ sicp-texi/ ( texinfo) and http://twb.ath.cx/twb/ canon/ sicp/ ( html) < 1301237539 836030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :337) Phantom_Hoover: if the list is in random order, like poor ehird here < 1301237556 326062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, some fraud I guess, considering the quotes. < 1301237569 790071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, how do you science on data? < 1301237589 145086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no clue what that would even mean. Perhaps information theory? < 1301237635 926377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is mathematics. < 1301237661 15715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or bad translation. In Swedish for example, computer science is called datavetenskap (data here comes from dator, the Swedish word for computer) < 1301237863 4393 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tietojenkäsittelytiede" ("the science of processing information") in Finnish. < 1301237910 707955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301237935 918398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't really work for the purpose of bad translation however < 1301237944 43330 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, but I doubt it's that. < 1301237954 889559 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Data science" seems to be a somewhat hip neologism. < 1301238000 629523 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Data science requires skills ranging from traditional computer science to mathematics to art. Describing the data science group he put together at Facebook (possibly the first data science group at a consumer-oriented web property), Jeff Hammerbacher said --" and so on, from google-hits. < 1301238013 183511 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301238013 573387 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301238013 778777 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301238183 117570 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301238272 333776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what do they do? < 1301238356 165071 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not entirely sure, but it seems to be rather close to data mining, but also information visualization and such. < 1301238366 218779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301238575 901636 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301238649 546688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301238658 231556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(data scientists are like fizzie employed to do his #esoteric log stuff) < 1301238660 905512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a terrible habit < 1301238664 975443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"I really must stop it" < 1301238734 238680 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301238745 775673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with oerjan.... Worst implementation of channel avoidance ever < 1301238775 679575 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lure of #esoteric, it is impossible to resist, it seems. < 1301238780 58954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301238828 963171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, speaking of you doing your log stuff... Can you plot channel activity showing how much it declined since elliott decided to mostly leave it? < 1301238846 5086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume more than just his part < 1301238852 282800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since others would be less active < 1301238862 790793 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss elliott < 1301238885 494037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster, you did. By several minutes ;P < 1301238895 321185 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw this... < 1301238970 260439 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301239000 736402 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our channel activity has quite a large variance, so I'm not sure how easy it is to see trends. < 1301239005 242683 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did he leave, anyway? < 1301239019 176775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, some days or weeks ago < 1301239052 976347 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here's messages/day from my own logs: http://p.zem.fi/donv < 1301239186 391614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is a clear longer term drop there for a while < 1301239282 897300 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same numbers after filtering out elliott-messages: http://p.zem.fi/donv2 < 1301239296 142423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301239316 199772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't surprise me that goes down as well. < 1301239351 147501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :discussion and not monologue and so on < 1301239486 148886 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, or bad translation. In Swedish for example, computer science is called datavetenskap (data here comes from dator, the Swedish word for computer) < 1301239496 538268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure dator comes from data < 1301239523 964261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the first is a portmanteau and the second is a genuine latin word < 1301239565 739874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well actually it may be a genuine latin word too, but i think that use is still a portmanteau. < 1301239601 48243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in norwegian the word is "datamaskin") < 1301239637 141285 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that's a silly ad. It says (in Finnish by geolocation, I guess, but translated) "Congratulations! Your IP address has been chosen in your city!! You have 2 minutes to claim your reward! T:TT [Click here]", and T:TT is a countdown from 2:00 down, with the last ten seconds in red; then when it reaches 0:00, it stays there for ~10 seconds, then restarts again from 2:00. < 1301239639 125303 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1301239647 997274 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be very lucky to win over and over again. < 1301239648 308707 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the genuine latin word "dator" would mean one who gives) < 1301239651 286504 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dator is a portmanteuish thing < 1301239661 435111 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of data and various latinish words ending in -or < 1301239695 959507 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish, computer science is also called informationsbehandling in some universities < 1301239696 680337 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: well that's what i'm saying < 1301239713 284595 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our university called it informatikk < 1301239713 558871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll behandling informations. < 1301239728 289873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i am pretty sure dator comes from data <-- yes indeed < 1301239744 54137 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that information ~= data < 1301239760 667763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but I'm saying datavetenskap comes from dator, not from data. Likely. < 1301239763 17044 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :datavetenskap can easily be construed without involving any dator in how it' been formed < 1301239783 589297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, yes it could. But since datavetenskap is about computers... < 1301239784 413188 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unlikely. since norwegian does similar things and doesn't _have_ the word dator. < 1301239788 237453 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... < 1301239789 537861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1301239801 781049 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers is to computer science what telescopes is to astronomy < 1301239804 614412 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ never forget that < 1301239826 645748 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/are < 1301239833 124154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, good point < 1301239836 296833 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/\// to you. < 1301239856 149109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also: < 1301239866 604184 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The g, yes. < 1301239874 232884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\\//&g/ < 1301239876 432042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1301239877 517306 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :datavetenskap is about how to do things with data, essentially. < 1301239881 525952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrected your regex < 1301239885 318042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that corrected his < 1301239911 952879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301239915 170587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i'm being rubbish, < 1301239923 808168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever fucked with gcc spec files < 1301239930 185921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I looked at them < 1301239939 677074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I went and hid under the be < 1301239940 820703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bed* < 1301239955 765279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look monstrous < 1301239956 836447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, I can dump them, modify them, and get gcc to use them < 1301239965 189804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have no idea what it's _generated_ from initially < 1301239970 129147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to change /that/ < 1301239972 813778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to change default libc path) < 1301239977 202141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and make -static default) < 1301239986 91612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301240000 679647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I suspect ais523 is the right person to ask < 1301240006 548451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with gcc-bf < 1301240016 741977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because he wrote a backend doesn't mean he knows all the other crap, gcc has like 50000000000000000 lines of code < 1301240037 939310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you got a few too many zeros there, but yeah < 1301240048 606198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly, gcc 3.4.6 has no dependencies (well apart from libc) and builds in a minute or two. compare with 4.5. < 1301240067 148712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bootstrapping non-glibc libc. the most painless way is to bootstrap via gcc 3.) < 1301240072 619586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you have a nice computer then. I'd say 5-7 minutes for 3.4.6 < 1301240087 643030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, point is I immediately expected it had errored out when it finished < 1301240094 109689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after having spent all day building gcc 4.5.2 over and over again < 1301240124 323235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 4.3 is probably the best in the 4.x series. Either that or 4.4 < 1301240165 135980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i would just stick with gcc 3 if i could maintain the delusion that it'd compile anything. < 1301240176 89126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are the spec files generated during compilation? Sure they aren't just included? < 1301240192 730344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i have find(1)'d the whole source tree for any file with name *spec* < 1301240196 694223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just h files and c files < 1301240199 94115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey it can compile cfunge! < 1301240200 606230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checked them all, no generator < 1301240219 497759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, grep -R . < 1301240245 849777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be worth a try < 1301240254 400012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@elliott-MacBookAir:~/stage2/gcc-3.4.6$ grep -r '*version:' . < 1301240254 675581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@elliott-MacBookAir:~/stage2/gcc-3.4.6$ < 1301240266 175120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is generated, it's in a file without "spec" in the name, and in a totally different format < 1301240280 586669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is instead cobbled together by code. this is just a hunch though. < 1301240282 462788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it could be that the : is added separately from the string : < 1301240287 558555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301240293 206876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, not as a string < 1301240293 960893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.. < 1301240297 738891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the string version < 1301240298 266086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a bit about gcc backends, but not frontends < 1301240301 18819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301240302 862839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sets the variables internally based on configuration and the like, I suspect < 1301240306 114925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only parses if you give it a file < 1301240315 409434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ has the ability to dump < 1301240322 332446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, somewhere it must do the dumping? < 1301240329 316569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1301240333 730547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the dumping isn't what i want to change :) < 1301240343 599909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what about where it can load dumped spec files? < 1301240354 369634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumper + parser for data structure. < 1301240359 447887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data structure initialised manually w/ code. < 1301240362 248448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := my suspicion < 1301240369 307927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, I remember gentoo used to patch the spec file... Don't know if they still do... < 1301240379 557424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just do that, but it seems awfully ugly. < 1301240384 689853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it looks distinctly generated < 1301240411 350934 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301240415 528496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well patch the internal variables being set then? < 1301240417 263235 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : datavetenskap can easily be construed without involving any dator in how it' been formed <-- although it would probably be as accurate as astronomy before telescopes too < 1301240429 395813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know where they're set. also that sounds even uglier :) < 1301240453 493795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well if your suspicion is right I doubt there is much choice < 1301240523 834282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pessimist, i'm hoping my suspicion is wrong. < 1301240549 509950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't you mean optimist? < 1301240563 622737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1301240568 333529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an optimist would predict that it is perfect. < 1301240639 618417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301240750 540663 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets fire to elliott's optimist strawman
< 1301240888 451167 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I agree with oerjan.... Worst implementation of channel avoidance ever < 1301240900 689689 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been trying to resist suggesting a betting pool < 1301240910 293945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or poll < 1301240963 269495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, XD < 1301241092 141694 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301241114 230431 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly because that might make him try harder) < 1301241300 853613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I would think he is back for a while now < 1301241317 915527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssh! < 1301241354 741468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that shhh < 1301241372 928296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that sshc? (The bastard!) < 1301241383 448928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives elliott a welcome back swat -----###
< 1301241385 816099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is one thing to try. It involves gdb however. Assuming that gcc uses a generated spec file, it would have to load it during normal operation right? If it doesn't, then the loader won't be called. Set a breakpoint in some important part of the loader and check if it is ever called. < 1301241396 846341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just haven't devoted the energy to typing /part yet, also i look lagged < 1301241413 765762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i'm waiting for someone who knows gcc to magically prance in < 1301241418 433560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear this is where all the gcc experts hang out < 1301241424 35292 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, will we be thrown back into despair again! < 1301241432 746358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: gdb on gcc, yes, that sounds fun, i bet gcc doesn't run 3985734958347958345 lines just to dump out spec file < 1301241438 200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this is in a chroot < 1301241438 689621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, #gcc! < 1301241441 750508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think gdb might give up < 1301241448 361779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:P if it wasn't obvious.) < 1301241451 744605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: modifying spec files is unsupported for some incomprehensible reason :) < 1301241453 237870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay do it with printf debugging < 1301241471 651792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, make it look innocent. < 1301241475 901351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or bug people in here until it gets so annoying that someone figures out the solution just to make me shut up < 1301241476 532774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and gdb works fine in chroots as long as /proc is mounted < 1301241684 152144 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301242349 241249 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301242692 152949 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301243009 24328 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1301243221 244899 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301243480 650719 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301243497 294093 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again couldn't help myself, had to use Google chart thing to plot those previous numbers: http://p.zem.fi/donv3 < 1301243542 230899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not graphviz? < 1301243556 221799 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because graphviz plots graphs, not charts? < 1301243578 261701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1301243582 370905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I meant gnuplot < 1301243590 338587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I confuse their names all the time -_- < 1301243649 438864 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reason, really; mangling the data into a Google chart API URL was probably approximately as bothersome as writing the corresponding gnuplot datafile + command would've been. < 1301243652 636818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D size column is distinctive enough < 1301243665 98854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also gcharts are prettier :P < 1301243694 531452 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I could probably get quite similar output from gnuplot, it just always requires fiddling. < 1301244028 472658 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301244219 436385 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301244777 770407 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301244802 926951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301245089 161240 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301245101 25153 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare http://p.zem.fi/donv3 vs. http://zem.fi/~fis/donv.png -- lines are a bit less thick, and to get anti-aliased fonts I'd need to give a path to a .ttf file in some complicated manner (or use the "pngcairo" terminal, but I don't know how to do custom colors there), but other than that they're quite close. < 1301245304 593180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the gnuplot antialiasing is better < 1301245316 292110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for text that is < 1301245326 506318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :less blurry < 1301245340 463770 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it doesn't have any. < 1301245346 129639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301245606 152829 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301246061 240425 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301246233 265653 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301246401 387110 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301246651 793857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301246726 354297 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301247881 318571 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301248819 990869 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott, incidentally, I started my explorations again after getting bored of the Himalayas. < 1301248822 781295 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :338) elliott, incidentally, I started my explorations again after getting bored of the Himalayas. < 1301248827 382685 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301248874 387464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301249674 78840 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of daylight saving time, make something else: At sunrise the time is "I /". At sunset the time is "/ I". Is OK with you? < 1301249944 707166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced I understand how that works < 1301249985 471711 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you're talking about, but in the past it was common to measure time by dividing the interval between sunrise and sunset into a constant number of hours < 1301249994 482109 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How it works is you do not need to keep changing the day for when daylight saving time is, because it is always at sunrise/sunset, no exceptions. < 1301250028 262307 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there's a big mountain to the east of you, so sunrise comes later? < 1301250051 713652 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would still have the 24-hour clock too, going from "00:00J" to "23:59J" (or Z if you want the same time everywhere) < 1301250075 949733 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does J stand for Jupiter < 1301250085 287479 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. J stands for local time. < 1301250094 507390 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Z for Zeus? < 1301250119 921392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Z stands for GMT/UTC/Zulu time. < 1301250163 108521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: And I am not sure what happen if there is the mountain. Don't they count sunrise by the horizon though? I don't know? < 1301250244 914454 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I really want is for the value of a second to vary depending on the season. That helps a lot with organizing timetables. "We'll have a one-hour meeting. No, wait, that'll be in February, let's make it a two-hour meeting, that should be about an hour." < 1301250290 286327 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will also vary depending on the latitude < 1301250312 826293 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why? That doesn't seem very good..... < 1301250318 192576 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We'll be having a one-hour meeting (1.5 hours in Canada)" < 1301250321 488646 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: This is /your idea/. < 1301250387 79910 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It isn't my idea for hours or seconds or anything like that to vary at any time. < 1301250419 927838 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think time should be absolute, everywhere < 1301250433 634592 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to achieve that we might have to accelerate the entire universe to the speed of light < 1301250441 392457 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems worth it, no? < 1301250456 750688 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time cannot be absolute, spacetime is relative. < 1301250475 946445 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Then your idea is to have a rather arbitrary symbol meaning "sunrise" and another one meaning "sunset". But we already have these symbols, they're "sunrise" and "sunset". < 1301250481 178451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't mean we cannot use the same units everywhere. < 1301250538 784933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: These symbols mean something different. Where during the daylight hours, we have a roman numeral followed by a fraction (in normal digits, with / for zero and 1/2 for one half, 3/4 for three quarter), in night hour is other way around. < 1301250869 184261 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the roman numeral indicates what? < 1301250876 127864 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fraction indicates what, for that matter? < 1301250922 102759 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know the units yet. < 1301251111 921288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if they should be measured in hours, or in something else. < 1301251130 581999 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: we already have that < 1301251134 734116 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called Newfoundland < 1301251159 505524 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooppy: ... huh? < 1301251319 421917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What does Newfoundland have to do with it? < 1301251771 30181 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody with a medium-profile website familiar with those persistent semi-spam link exchange emails? < 1301251780 382079 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got one saying he'd send me a hat in return for a link :P < 1301251784 134086 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually tempted :P < 1301251983 114674 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do it and then make it nofollow? < 1301252049 729413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul. < 1301252076 472368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make it nonclickable. just plaintext < 1301252091 300720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"copy and paste this if yoj want to go look at some shit" < 1301252108 685536 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be for Google rankings, not human clicks. < 1301252136 102163 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively I could just put it there, wait for my hat, then remove it :P < 1301252143 335293 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301252233 480548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it really clear, "someone sent me a hat for this link" < 1301252247 309336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the underline's going to be stripped by the +c mode, I assume?) < 1301252289 364123 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I agree, write that on there. < 1301252553 813380 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH BTW GUYS: libc.so auction starts in five hours; if you haven't donated, now's a great time! < 1301252583 198208 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I wish I knew where my debit card is. < 1301252794 526102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a part of something I was testing, I had successfully converted RFC1 to DVI format without using TeX. Although when I downloaded it the carriage returns were missing and it came out with only the first line correct and the others too far to the right. When I added the carriage returns then it came out correct. < 1301252809 132034 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises that he'd never pay £10 for an email address under normal circumstances.
< 1301252839 115019 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not need or want any email address. < 1301252853 819006 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure zzo38 isn't a Markov chain bot? < 1301252881 132929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301252889 33124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was fed with zzo38ese as the seed information < 1301252902 165647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume zzo38 has his own competitive protocol with email < 1301252932 566526 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be something like glados then. < 1301252935 171072 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faulty, and insane. < 1301252957 264248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually I simply do not use email. Knuth stopped using email first, but I did not learn that until after I stopped using email. < 1301252976 658854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his secretary uses email, and relays important announcements to him < 1301253031 823633 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a letter to him using paper mail instead. As it turned out I could get it delivered by someone I know who happened to be going to that area for business purposes, so I did not need a stamp. < 1301253074 902871 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does zzo38 have... wait, he *does* have his own version of logic. < 1301253105 518841 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not a consistent system either. < 1301253152 130056 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I present to you http://esolangs.org/wiki/TNTNT < 1301253256 368957 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders, futilely, why he calls modus ponens "Rule of Detachment".
< 1301253286 606064 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Because Hofstadter called it that. < 1301253655 159069 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :After looking at all the VPS providers, I'm tempted to buy in to one of the super-cheap ones (like $20/yr) just to see how bad it is :P < 1301253866 644481 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION injects zzo38 with estrogen
< 1301253869 266801 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1301253875 237021 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's use zzo38 as a test subject! < 1301253974 428317 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot inject me with anything, because I am too far away < 1301254055 862793 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, what is it with you and oestrogen? < 1301254225 978845 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301254226 367893 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301254226 574789 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301254404 419035 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301254501 424107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh elliott left again < 1301254699 913461 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301254851 624342 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301254985 424263 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301254985 701783 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301254985 907761 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301255139 533325 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be a useful machine command to have the INTERCAL select operator as well as its opposite command (the unselect operator)? < 1301255208 156981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unselect unambiguous? < 1301255225 957437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :select would be useful, though, I think < 1301255232 774421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, if all the extra bits are set to zero. < 1301255247 35516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that'd be so useful < 1301255254 317683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a command to do arbitrary permutations on bits would be better < 1301255283 106447 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, maybe some command can be made something like that. < 1301255432 549912 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you think it would be done, what way of making such things would be best? < 1301255519 162111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1301255658 666054 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much space and how much time needed for hardware implementations of different thing compares, such as addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, LFSR, NAND, XOR, etc? < 1301255736 15732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFSR? < 1301255761 902408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NAND is probably the simplest one in CMOS < 1301255764 826338 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear feedback shift register < 1301255768 51648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301255870 838052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Perhaps NAND is the simplest one in CMOS, but how to the others compare? (Both in space and in time) And is there other implementation other than CMOS depend which ones are more energy efficient or whatever are used in modern computers (which I don't know)? < 1301255895 669761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMOS is the most energy efficient I know of < 1301255938 449913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh, sub is basically add but negating value first < 1301255940 196525 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK. But still, how to the other things I listed compares? Like, how does LFSR compare with arithmetic? How does AND compare with OR and XOR? etc < 1301255975 794271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, too complicated to explain since I'm going to bed shortly. I suggest consulting a text book on digital logic. < 1301255989 12894 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And yes I know how subtract/add works like that, I have written programs in INTERCAL to do addition and subtraction, so I would have figured out these things. < 1301255993 872331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: arithmetic's tricky, e.g. there are several versions of addition, some better in time and some better in space < 1301256021 867666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, generally you use full adders with some carry forwarding, no? < 1301256068 406608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for logic, in CMOS NAND/NOR/NOT are equally easy, AND/OR have twice the space and time cost, XOR has something like three times the space cost and twice the time cost but I can't remember exactly < 1301256110 363191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with different synthesis methods it might work differently, e.g. I think there are TTL versions where NAND is easier than NOR with typical logic levels (unlike CMOS, TTL has asymmetrical levels) < 1301256133 417872 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how does addition compare to multiplication, and how does addition compare to LFSR, and how does addition and LFSR compare to an increment or decrement counter? < 1301256139 544889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTL wastes power though afaik < 1301256157 28923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, multiplication is way worse < 1301256187 641435 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: By how much? < 1301256192 523905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, several times < 1301256194 89870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about LFSR. probably easier than addition. < 1301256217 970920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as no clue how inc/dec compare to addition. Slightly easier I'd guess < 1301256375 731434 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much efficient would a computer be if LFSR was used for instruction counter (and also for a few other things) instead of increment? And if addition was not normally used for indexing arrays and stuff, but only sometimes when necessary? And also if there was other operations, such as INTERCAL select? And so on? < 1301256410 951326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1301256416 528897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that even work? < 1301256418 179010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be less efficient with LFSR for increment, because even though it's an easier operation, CPU time is completely irrelevant in modern computers < 1301256425 333002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because memory bandwidth is a much larger issue < 1301256432 617909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is that too < 1301256442 225639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the memory wouldn't easily be able to pick up the necessary instructions in LFSR order < 1301256450 816220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're trying to optimise the wrong thing < 1301256475 940875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, there are slower components in a CPU than the IP. < 1301256490 202147 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK NAND and NOR are both equally simple in CMOS. Both are 4 transistors one deep. < 1301256492 746576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have so much happening on one cycle < 1301256503 563242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: indeed, that's what I said isn't it? < 1301256520 577007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, indeed < 1301256532 904558 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, NOT is bit simpler than NAND/NOR (2 transistors one deep). < 1301256544 400315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, I missed that < 1301256556 281405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what I said to. I just took them from zzo3's list. NOT and NOR weren't listed there < 1301256565 904856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so NAND was the simplest on the list < 1301256578 356411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idea would be if you have your program loops stored to the microcode so less memory access is needed? < 1301256637 839270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPUs try to do that sort of thing automatically nowadays, it's what cache is for < 1301256654 672419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to do it by hand rather than automatically, it's better to use an entirely different architecture < 1301256675 449170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of entirely different architecture? < 1301256870 763867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with many more ALUs < 1301256880 906609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can take advantage of how much faster they are than memory < 1301256891 102743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it also has to do arithmetic and memory activity at the same time < 1301256977 650261 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... How many classical CMOS gates with n inputs (all significant) there are? For 1 input, there is 1 (NOT). For 2 there are 2 (NAND and NOR), For 3 there are at least 8. < 1301257052 732481 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1301257302 913206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, define significant < 1301257311 862162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, and afaik NAND is universal, no? < 1301257360 718013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1301257374 943304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just that, it's constant-time universal < 1301257385 439356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm that means? < 1301257407 965420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that you can do any finite state combinatorial circuit with NAND gates stacked just 2 deep < 1301257411 364011 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, no inputs that are completely ignored. < 1301257457 246352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1301257468 235382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what about AND and OR then for 2 inputs? < 1301257481 132194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also XOR < 1301257497 652578 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no AND nor OR CMOS gate (implementing those would require 2 gates). < 1301257497 860024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, are those not classical? < 1301257538 37017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, there also the identity one for one input < 1301257597 145229 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's no buffer gate. CMOS tends to invert the value in each step. < 1301257652 613098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, there is the straight wire < 1301257689 680946 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstract interpratation. What is number of trees with each node labeled using one of n labels, each label used at least once and trees equivalent if for every subset of labels, there is path from root to leaf using only those labels in both or in neither. < 1301257799 190614 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. NAND corresponds to two edges (labeled A and B) one after another. NOR would be two edges (A and B) in parallel. < 1301257829 514432 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AB and {A,B} < 1301257894 470097 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 3-label ones are ABC, {A,B,C}, A{B,C}, B{A,C}, C{A,B}, {AB,C}, {AC,B} and {BC,A}. < 1301257945 439690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301257965 426943 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301257984 991127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1301258115 280719 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also equal to number of boolean functions with n variables present, only using AND and OR as logical operations. < 1301258133 552358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In INTERCAL, although there is no command for arithmetic, some things still use counting such as RESUME and FORGET, and STASH stacks. Could a variant of INTERCAL be made that works so that an implementation does not need to have any arithmetic or counting in it? < 1301258210 857744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps < 1301259556 593282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301259581 873299 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: ISCOM W00T < 1301259585 692460 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301259659 117191 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301260616 991547 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-84.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301262087 909133 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely there must be some package that provides a /usr/sbin/sendmail-compatible interface without being a whole fekking MTA. < 1301262107 324179 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I want is "I know how to look up MX records, connect to an SMTP server, and send mail" < 1301262257 130157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Write one if such thing does not yet exist. < 1301262287 642899 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will do that with my infinite free time. < 1301262602 726021 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There is "connect to a fixed SMTP server" sendmail-compatibles, if you have a suitable (ISP/provider) forwarding host handy. < 1301262661 191728 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And not all the "real" mail servers are so over-complicated, I don't think, and most can be configured into a no-local-mail mode.) < 1301262699 618135 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Connect to a fixed SMTP server" is so stupid, it's so much less additional effort for them to look up the proper MX host X_X < 1301262779 124674 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the assumption is that the fixed SMTP server is "nearby" and properly maintained so that it can just fail if it can't reach it. < 1301262804 981950 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For arbitrary-destination mail you almost-need a queue for delayed-delivery attempts. < 1301263042 213313 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it's common for all outgoing smtp traffic to be blocked except for a designated proxy < 1301263571 170874 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's common in a business environment, but not on an arbitrary ISP. < 1301263598 91004 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's common for arbitrary ISPs around these parts. < 1301263621 692011 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can only send email by using the ISP's SMTP server? Not your own, your school's, whatever? < 1301263643 475293 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301263657 321014 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can usually connect to the TLS-wrapped SMTP port. < 1301263700 101631 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ISP used to block SMTP, but we complained and they changed it. < 1301263707 902241 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's what most authenticated SMTP uses nowadays, anyway. < 1301263711 554672 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They already need to provide the relay in any case, since "regular" applications like Thunderbird need an outgoing-email SMTP server. < 1301263733 12864 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your ISP provide you with an email address? < 1301263752 982116 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure. < 1301263755 144159 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine doesn't, and to my knowledge doesn't provide a relay server, since they expect whatever email service you use to have one. < 1301263759 130850 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there are 9 3-input classic gates, not 8. And the amount of gates for n inputs is apparently A006126 in OEIS. < 1301263779 167716 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rather weird, from my viewpoint anyway. < 1301263786 180276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: My ISP does, but I no longer use it and now it is full of junk and if you try to send a message to it, it will be blocked due to full mailbox. < 1301263786 851221 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be cultural differences. < 1301263816 213525 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why would you want your email address to be attached to your ISP? If you move or switch you're stuck. < 1301263858 489687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Of course you don't need to *use* it, but they all provide something like five mailboxes per connection. < 1301263914 836980 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't think web-based email services used to provide a SMTP server anyway, "way back then". Does something like Hotmail do nowadays? < 1301263939 532507 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently yes. < 1301263972 64167 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purdue's email does, since IMAP/SMTP is the conventional way of using it. < 1301263981 704464 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would imagine most school or corporate email servers do. < 1301264028 492973 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if our school does, since the "isp provides an outgoing email server" is so widespread thing here. < 1301264103 924007 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, "origin SMTP server != MX record for host" is one of the more common spam-identifying heuristics :P < 1301264105 518311 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of hotmail/yahoo/gmail have their outgoing-mail servers in SSL/TLS non-25 ports so the no-outgoing-plain-SMTP block doesn't affect them anyway. < 1301264150 35765 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's a pretty sucky heuristic. < 1301264180 198288 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since most people use webmail, it's a pretty accurate heuristic. < 1301264200 869694 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can lie and say you're relaying, but then that's another heuristic :P < 1301264309 476847 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that heuristic catch your sendmail-replacement-with-direct-SMTP sent emails too? < 1301264327 337375 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1301264337 368320 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand the meaning of the word "heuristic"? :P < 1301264520 864074 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sounds like a not-so-good one to me. Though I guess it manages to not-match both your "random webmail user" and the thing I think of when someone says "email user", which is "someone with Outlook Express from the ISP's installation CD preconfigured to use the ISP's mailbox + outgoing server", which might be a bit dated view. < 1301264573 581062 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I've managed to substitute Outlook Express with that... what was it called? Not Pegasus Mail, the other one. < 1301264643 665676 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eudora? < 1301264686 225593 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with/for/ < 1301264748 532561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301264753 7224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant: toad.com why do i keep < 1301264757 844705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"doing this" < 1301264831 193568 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Mr ellio "hopeless" tt strikes again. < 1301264881 170807 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a $20 year's service at a VPS host I shall name "Retarded VPS Hosts Inc." < 1301264894 202063 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just too curious to see how awful $20/y VPS hosting is :P < 1301265139 827496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Confusing yourself is a way to stay honest. < 1301265304 142529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, mysql.com was just hacked < 1301265306 316318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via SQL injection < 1301265345 440361 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301265471 516423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess oracle couldn't predict that < 1301265524 742072 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1301265553 159584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301265702 548616 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301265758 598678 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301266134 317368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elaborate marketing prank: look at the extra security afforded by our enterprise database! < 1301266611 77901 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realizes "marketing" means "worm eating" in norwegian
< 1301267674 808012 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, same in English. < 1301267696 733894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Gregor -----###
< 1301268259 858698 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left NICK :TLUL|afk < 1301268556 919324 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GaKaGwch0U Hyuk < 1301268579 263254 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen the original, so I can easily convince myself that this is the "correct" version :P < 1301269125 665903 :TLUL|afk!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left NICK :TLUL < 1301269419 949881 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left NICK :TLUL|afk < 1301269510 89827 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's probably the best version of it < 1301270424 327261 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029071.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301270522 586596 :TLUL|afk!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left NICK :TLUL < 1301270588 746865 :cheater-!~cheater@g231048169.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301271539 148930 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301271545 68072 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle, the libc.so auction has started. < 1301271551 247772 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, IT HAS VANISHED FROM THE MATERIAL PLANE < 1301271875 222232 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301272408 467283 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301273108 867628 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301273592 939680 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301273819 701629 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301274009 399791 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301274871 429423 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have at least one active competitor for libc.so < 1301274923 971291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it turned out.... IT WAS GREGOR FROM THE FUTURE < 1301275098 914609 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was sent back to prevent Ulrich Drepper from getting it, but something went wrong in the planning < 1301275386 227286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at least"? < 1301275796 929880 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301276455 881404 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301277315 674992 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301280950 527640 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left NICK :TLUL|afk < 1301281387 500748 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301283335 19115 :TLUL|afk!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1301285493 518726 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's xkcd reminds me of a dream i had that i may have mentioned here before < 1301285753 962292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you dream that xkcd would remind you of a dream? < 1301285792 149903 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the dream did not have anything to do with xkcd, afair < 1301285801 957617 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i'd heard of xkcd then. < 1301285861 213704 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did include a wall map of the place i was in, that somehow became identical to the place itself. < 1301285937 771749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when something touched the spot of the map where the map itself was, everything started dissolving into pixels. < 1301286011 917086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably inspired by another comic i'd seen before with a similar theme. < 1301286069 767 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone pointing to the "you are here" mark on a map, and people around them panicking as a giant finger appears from the sky) < 1301286225 942950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds PBF-like, but I don't recall any such PBF < 1301286255 29504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's from the 90's at least. it may have been bizarro. < 1301286261 417003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it was on paper) < 1301286338 90215 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i have a vague picture in my head that _looks_ like a bizarro comic < 1301286460 103134 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If my math is correct, I just helped pay off 10% of the debt. $1.50 divided by $15 trillion = 10% right?" < 1301286480 651877 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301286484 462471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2116548608/help-erase-the-national-debt-of-the-usa/comments < 1301286576 249402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a code that displays "Just another _______ hacker" with the name of the programming language filled in, working for these programming languages: C, C++, Perl, Plain TeX, PostScript, LaTeX, zsh, Bourne Shell. (For TeX, PostScript, and LaTeX, it prints the text on the paper) Now we could add in even more, including some esoteric programming, too. < 1301286618 479516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you hated LaTeX < 1301286639 628629 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is true, I do not like LaTeX. However, I found this code. (I have not tested it at all) < 1301286713 741482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not write this code. I do not even know how to write a code in PostScript.) < 1301286796 751586 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a polygot-like thing that prints whatever language it's being used as? < 1301286815 125520 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, that is what it is. < 1301286817 262313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it differentiate between C and C++? < 1301286848 17352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess C++ has comments that C doesn't, hmm < 1301286861 61656 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that is not how it does it. < 1301286872 533866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link to it maybe? < 1301286874 89499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?displaytype=displaycode;node_id=520121 < 1301286931 980488 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there is a difference in sizeof in C++? < 1301286983 86575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does %: avoid being a syntax error in C and C++? < 1301287046 39491 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digraphs_and_trigraphs#C < 1301287531 46996 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301288718 912326 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it was bizarro indeed < 1301288776 944858 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm let me see if i can find that date on the web < 1301288809 798436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"++"+2*(1%sizeof'2') <-- that makes no sense to me < 1301288857 468377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch wait < 1301288878 587603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sizeof '2' not 1 in C++? < 1301288895 115307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zero < 1301288914 878795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second. That doesn't work. It is division by zero then < 1301288938 265378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see how that code can ever work for C++... < 1301288963 204259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it relies on undefined behaviour < 1301289029 555824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite clear how it works for C, by advancing the pointer two steps you get the null string < 1301289091 731548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, oerjan, zzo38: I'm confused, how can that code ever work for the C++ case? < 1301289096 99793 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301289187 204170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, have to leave, cya < 1301289219 749151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's March 21 1999, but i cannot find it on the web :( < 1301289257 434048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know c++ < 1301289444 926256 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want 1%sizeof'2' to be 1 for c++ and 0 for c, i presume < 1301289483 50908 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming string pointers work the same in both < 1301289528 623370 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sizeof'2' is anything > 1 in c++, that should work < 1301289644 240341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i'm thinking backwards < 1301289660 637437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c print "hi" < 1301289663 676452 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c print "hi"; < 1301289664 560641 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1301289674 918168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("hi"); < 1301289677 693452 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1301289691 937488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", (sizeof'2')); < 1301289694 143227 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1301289699 804345 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1301289711 621958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is sizeof'2' 4? < 1301289713 282116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c++ printf("%d", (sizeof'2')); < 1301289726 194993 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!languages < 1301289731 439084 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1301289731 740662 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1301289736 898737 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"help languages < 1301289741 286208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1301289741 548430 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1301289741 849366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1301289742 166196 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1301289743 634419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1301289755 189486 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx printf("%d", (sizeof'2')); < 1301289762 324195 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1301289765 123095 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1301289790 248594 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that < 1301289795 60693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just bizarre < 1301289800 294903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is.. those things? < 1301289845 153639 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the size of a character constant 4 in C? < 1301289874 406602 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", (sizeof'1')); < 1301289876 542044 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1301289885 776954 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", (sizeof('1'))); < 1301289887 923230 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1301289910 86831 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1301289937 190250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c", '2'); < 1301289939 410508 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1301289960 652068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A character constant in C is "int" type < 1301289965 846778 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301290477 844148 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's something C++ changes. < 1301290481 419764 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you tested that too. < 1301290484 553638 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about. < 1301290644 204453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that seems to explain the c/c++ difference in the polyglot < 1301290659 332749 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ also has multicharacter literals of type 'int'. < 1301290668 593521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx printf("%d", sizeof('ab')) < 1301290673 635161 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1301290700 168553 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The actual value of such a thing is implementation-defined.) < 1301290722 859607 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx printf("%04x", (unsigned)'ab'); < 1301290727 888806 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6162 < 1301290759 178727 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's I guess the obvious choice. < 1301290895 928202 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301291111 306298 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the polyglot uses the %: digraph for # in the #include part. < 1301291340 168938 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301291358 940729 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char *p = "unreadable"; if (1) <% printf("digraphs are so %s", &p<:2:>); %> < 1301291361 82119 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :digraphs are so readable < 1301291368 891695 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301294903 39150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Write this somewhere else. < 1301296802 212934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1301301364 109801 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301306200 217317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301306700 787256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301306820 409256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301311003 940807 :cheater99!~cheater@g230230075.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301311035 429820 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029071.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301311958 431906 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301314147 379682 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301314733 373208 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-15-117.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301314745 548731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301315571 863272 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301315611 443110 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301315761 946096 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG, this domain bidding site is evil/clever. < 1301315814 819214 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301315825 576062 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please note that when the leader of an auction is outbid in the last 24 hours of the scheduled auction close, the auction will extend to close 24 hours after the leader change occurred." < 1301315929 541503 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301315970 570879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301316075 615402 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301316164 960531 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Client Quit < 1301316225 210128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so how goes the auction? < 1301316254 126555 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the lead for libm but it now won't be closing 'til tomorrow, I'm not in the lead for libc but it's only at $60 and there's a week left. < 1301316313 156330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so how much is libm up at then? < 1301316325 514191 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much already, $110 :P < 1301316465 744710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely libc will go higher < 1301316474 375647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is somewhat more famous than libm < 1301316527 10849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is this the yearly cost or a one-time cost you are bidding for? < 1301316553 518492 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-time. < 1301316573 547423 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of bizarre universe has a bid for yearly-cost on a domain name :P < 1301316581 791909 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not paying hundreds/year on this shit :P < 1301316611 281815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1301317246 608458 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it acceptable to wear a shirt twice not in a row without washing? < 1301318115 462680 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301318328 330434 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: depends on the type of shit < 1301318329 849233 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shirt < 1301318338 513131 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was intentional) < 1301318349 425082 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie: how dirty it is < 1301318370 851072 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is away
< 1301318847 670018 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301318848 63068 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301318899 668209 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301319131 435129 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301319319 126025 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301320099 649999 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301320773 275125 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129210.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301320821 707955 :cheater99!~cheater@g230230075.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301320915 618999 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301321382 634803 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301321550 464836 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301321589 585314 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301321685 974537 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-86.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301322762 51484 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134192.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301322858 624319 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129210.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301323394 635949 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301323817 534835 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :El Cheapo Hosting Inc upgraded my plan X-D < 1301324946 523433 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301325847 534750 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301326349 847263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301327039 693279 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo reads godel's letter? http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/tex-is-great-what-is-tex/#comment-11392 < 1301327072 550374 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* zzo38 < 1301327944 581364 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-104-21.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301328031 761456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301328201 781450 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.19: 2M to Pakistan, 32k to Singapore, 1M to South Korea, 2k+/32 to Japan, 2k to Indonesia, /32 to Hong Kong. < 1301328403 726896 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301328462 593001 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301328574 416214 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New depletion estimate (using the same random algo as the last time): Friday 15th April. < 1301328961 722738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301329242 840646 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301329332 693345 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301329761 501153 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1301329774 814143 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats it called when you have two programs battling for memory? < 1301329794 118724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corewars? < 1301329797 652017 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya! < 1301329825 632310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301330234 727761 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301331391 78441 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ping < 1301331400 964538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301331999 910149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301332038 899846 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301332054 699625 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301332287 708769 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301332754 732281 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301332919 854889 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301333107 98706 :cheater00!~cheater@e181052232.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301333169 920926 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134192.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301333433 939618 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301333444 554938 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301334069 529771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301334071 89938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1301334071 958311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:21:31: !c printf("%d", (sizeof'2')); < 1301334072 221291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:21:34: 4 < 1301334075 430254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:22:35: !cxx printf("%d", (sizeof'2')); < 1301334075 692547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:22:42: 1 < 1301334078 957160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C, '2' is an int < 1301334080 943658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++, '2' is a char < 1301334097 498187 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301334166 713436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:00:46: Is it acceptable to wear a shirt twice not in a row without washing? < 1301334166 915254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my cue < 1301334167 392620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1301334260 909295 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolelliott < 1301335122 982577 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301335364 808616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301335388 261602 :cheater99!~cheater@e181054186.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301335459 765562 :cheater00!~cheater@e181052232.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301335600 161005 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoop: 2.019 blocks this month. Crazy. < 1301336566 833956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301338120 287476 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136007.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301338167 873187 :cheater99!~cheater@e181054186.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301338170 163425 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301338613 890115 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301338655 752490 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301338672 141228 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301338759 826397 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301338825 967175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301340163 859063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301340396 825029 :cheater99!~cheater@e181140158.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301340407 585704 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot is now backed by glogbackup, running on Fly By Wire VPS Survisses�! < 1301340435 774257 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rest assured, should glogbot go down, Fly By Wire Inc. has your data. < 1301340477 959868 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136007.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301340562 509627 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC relative allocations last 30 days: ~86% < 1301340826 932190 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relative to what? Total amount of allocations? < 1301340830 575293 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1301340883 747138 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP my advisor and the postdoc working on this project are both sitting AT MY DESK < 1301340895 729777 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIPE NCC: 8.0%, AFRINIC: 3.5%, LACNIC: 1.4%, ARIN: 1.2% < 1301340903 234436 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all good as long as they're not sitting ON YOUR DESK. < 1301341116 547631 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At rate shown in last 30 days, RIPE NCC would deplete in about a year. Of course, there is considerable seasonal variation. < 1301341215 736129 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SURROUNDED D-8 < 1301341311 250400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : glogbot is now backed by glogbackup, running on Fly By Wire VPS Survisses™! ← is that the ultra-cheap one? < 1301341363 219717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, my idiot chemistry teacher has outdone herself. < 1301341384 990850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She incoherently argued with me for several minutes that relative atomic masses are unitless. < 1301341419 958439 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's my name for the ultra-cheap one :P < 1301341423 962612 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301341688 228947 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But so far it actually seems just fine. Very get-what-you-pay-for, but no real problems. < 1301342241 371730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301342462 268117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301342682 999848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'M SURROUNDED D-8 < 1301342689 513585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you must blast your way out < 1301342709 984252 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do a barrel roll! < 1301342718 938809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, quick, I'll use the Device! < 1301343396 66242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is stunned into silence by the extremity of the measure. < 1301343442 306951 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm just STILL SURROUNDED >_< < 1301343533 48468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKOKOK < 1301343543 356030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your coördinates? < 1301343570 445467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Device? < 1301343580 540706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, *the Device < 1301343611 117605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this the Device? < 1301343809 101933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You *don't* want to know. < 1301344315 301403 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOMENTARY FREEDOM < 1301344316 692302 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*breathes* < 1301344359 142792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK RUN, AND RUN QUICKLY < 1301344369 631735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MAY WANT TO POUR A DRINK ON YOUR HEAD < 1301344435 972732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301344840 388539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGEO KNOWS THE DANGER < 1301345212 268542 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@72.18.51.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301345397 575968 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@72.18.51.33 QUIT :Client Quit < 1301345552 401453 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301346174 250324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION →
< 1301346178 711269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301346493 422777 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301347494 704507 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301347699 625844 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301347828 939949 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301347994 103754 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-86.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301348019 693647 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301350119 910176 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301350633 396729 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.118.174 QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1301351158 500664 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Taking out the thrash < 1301351419 477747 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301351420 279462 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301352016 231893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301352196 549447 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses windows 7
< 1301352200 503713 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a fail < 1301352329 680420 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301352489 244120 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301352843 53269 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... you suck so bad < 1301352864 984978 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301353975 585805 :cheater00!~cheater@g224201071.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301354132 33083 :cheater99!~cheater@e181140158.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301354155 779127 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301354614 985079 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301355488 35868 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301355761 367192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301355768 151852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : If p is a pointer, is p[-1] defined equivalent to *(p-1)? I know array[-1] is undefined. < 1301355771 617150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :##C is fucking useless < 1301355825 543171 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect it to be that in practice... check a spec < 1301356034 458099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, yes. < 1301356042 580895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I'll find a pyrate C89 standard. < 1301356139 706697 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a draft: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/WG14/www/docs/n1256.pdf < 1301356183 213948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://flash-gordon.me.uk/ansi.c.txt ;; is greppable. < 1301356196 454866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301356229 480754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like [] isn't even defined for pointers X_X < 1301356269 126969 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i'm pretty sure i've read that a[b] is precisely equal to *(a+b) ... < 1301356276 343623 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: array[-1] is only undefined because *(array-1) is out of bounds usually < 1301356277 380753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is, for arrays < 1301356282 946844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm trying to find the definition for pointers :) < 1301356284 206602 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3["abc"] and all that... < 1301356287 532391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course. < 1301356291 542346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but the C standard is wily. < 1301356291 835196 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, it isn't defined for arrays < 1301356295 900647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway it is not precisely equal. < 1301356296 764205 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is equivalent for pointers < 1301356303 245950 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays just decay into pointers < 1301356303 508511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo[n] is only defined for 0 <= n < array length < 1301356306 841747 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wrong < 1301356313 525219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, *(foo+n) is only defined for 0 <= n < array length < 1301356318 84957 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1301356327 225760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<= array length, iirc < 1301356340 445568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int foo[3]; /* I very much doubt foo[3] is well-defined */ < 1301356341 104380 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1301356344 401940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :array indexing is from 0 < 1301356369 834954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1301356370 96320 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo+n is for n <= array length, but you may not be able to dereference it i guess < 1301356379 989890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1301356382 656174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo+2394872349 is also ok < 1301356386 812235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just can't dereference it without UB < 1301356399 186802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't even want that, it seems :( < 1301356400 679490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i want is < 1301356405 732895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo { blah *foo[0]; } < 1301356408 689066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is invalid right from the start < 1301356412 543291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I want to do x->foo[-1] < 1301356417 661383 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, i vaguely recall that it is perfectly possible for pointer arithmetic outside those bounds to crash < 1301356417 860905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is definitely invalid, I think < 1301356426 704336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Errrrr, I hope not < 1301356429 212000 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't dereference < 1301356495 354713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i've seen something like that < 1301356512 847317 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise why include foo+array length as a specifically permitted case < 1301356558 254002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it does < 1301356562 750787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's not so much "to crash" as "UB" ;D < 1301356568 514465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :demons, noses, suchlike < 1301356578 748357 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301356599 667010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just do the invalid thing :) < 1301356667 755337 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i used crash as a synonym, of course < 1301356811 780674 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://c-faq.com/aryptr/non0based.html < 1301356824 774345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's for arrays < 1301356827 90941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301356829 992322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer arithmetic < 1301356830 946845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1301357776 938263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c extern void (*test)(int); test(3, 42); < 1301357780 817038 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1301357786 750265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void (*test)(int); test(3, 42); < 1301357788 192203 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1301357794 994607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1301357800 142961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: PLEASE MAKE THAT PRINT THE DIAGNOSTICS < 1301357885 313647 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it has two arguments and you declare just one? < 1301357939 263189 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void (*test)(int); test(3); < 1301357941 803907 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 21422 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1301357968 453187 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would appear to have something to do with it, then < 1301357990 754977 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void (*test)(); test(3, 42); < 1301357992 921487 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 21527 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1301357997 938184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : um it has two arguments and you declare just one? < 1301357999 248971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point < 1301358012 258073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want something that is known to require one argument, but might require more < 1301358015 205642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you can't do that < 1301358024 414481 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so < 1301358203 653105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c-faq.com/varargs/index.html might help? < 1301358246 220043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for variadic functions < 1301358248 798726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about function pointers < 1301358251 816484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK you can't do < 1301358255 77818 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301358256 941700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void (*test)(int, ...); test(3, 42); < 1301358257 858218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least < 1301358258 992515 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 21892 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1301358260 570987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have different semantics < 1301358266 462069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(variadic functions can be implemented however, pretty much) < 1301358282 406018 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it did compile... < 1301358299 73084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but test(3, 42) could be the same as test(3, MAGIC)))42{{ < 1301358304 355114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, AFAIK there's no guarantee that < 1301358305 590140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(1,2,3) < 1301358306 377072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1301358307 362758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g(1,2,3) < 1301358313 963997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are called in "the same way" if one is variadic and the other is not < 1301358321 983441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301358452 193876 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but doesn't that just mean that test must be a pointer that was declared in the same way? < 1301358461 84998 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to a function < 1301358464 613086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. which is ugly. < 1301358537 689718 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey people! < 1301358542 907063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1301358548 76382 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how goes the libc.so auction? < 1301358550 224089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey variables! < 1301358550 486603 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello elliott < 1301358559 313232 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: It's barely started < 1301358573 594690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's scoping! < 1301358581 167929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dynamic! < 1301358590 100551 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *ouch* < 1301358595 339701 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm supposed to say that.... < 1301358602 9786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, McCarthy did it < 1301358657 601872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well supposedly it has its uses < 1301358669 156124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: e.g. standard output handle < 1301358681 78916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like a global stack < 1301358692 982916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let ((*standard-output* ...)) (function-which-prints)) < 1301358693 898814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall someone worked out how they should interact with delimited continuations < 1301358715 88396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp, Racket and many Schemes all have dynamic vars < 1301358716 594285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :under various names < 1301358726 770759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor also has dynamic vars! < 1301358729 212426 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well even haskell does < 1301358777 806097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm you mean the ?foo things < 1301358778 457600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1301358783 589607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I guess so < 1301358785 164050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things? < 1301358790 430028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301358796 287743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but lisp before 1.5 was always dynamic :) < 1301358809 5281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1301358812 960103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when this first came up, one of the developers responded that the behaviour must be a bug and they'll get fixing it quickly < 1301358824 30989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they realised the scoping was broken :D < 1301358861 64546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :took them a while, i take < 1301358867 615066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, even 1.5 was dynamic < 1301358873 566186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it had closures with FUNARG < 1301358880 510361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could define lexically-scoped functions < 1301358884 253553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp 1.5 was a mess btw :D < 1301358893 379459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1301358894 280348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a language with DynamicScoping, a DynamicClosure is a function which will be evaluated in the dynamic environment it was created in rather than the one it is called from." < 1301358896 157419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not even lexical! < 1301358900 844055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close < 1301358922 150322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2? < 1301358928 497930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got me < 1301358946 549325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also reminded me of the fun fact that lisp 1.5 toplevel was evalquote < 1301358950 281692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :car ((a b)) => a < 1301358952 361455 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WikiLinks sort of gave it away < 1301358962 155337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, no outer parens) < 1301358967 568420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it could have been meatball! < 1301358970 934338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or text-editors! < 1301358976 998169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all three other OldStyleWikis < 1301358986 242801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1301359054 231776 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301359077 1691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301359187 618099 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301359196 227169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301359245 103393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1301359248 973901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your eye < 1301359257 359708 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eye? < 1301359263 657769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ais that has the eye < 1301359265 488055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has no eyes < 1301359267 669527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1301359280 760403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OldStyleWikis that aren't c2 exist? < 1301359282 406340 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's reasonably ok at the time, i guess < 1301359284 808495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1301359299 34466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i had a dream that you came back here some time last week < 1301359305 352025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm just here to talk to oerjan :) < 1301359311 922598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ##c failed at answering my question < 1301359315 342544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then oerjan fumbled in an attempt to answer < 1301359317 112918 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan answers in pm < 1301359323 477276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, but oerjan knows nothing about c < 1301359326 440430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why would i ask him that question < 1301359331 71670 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION subtly puts a noose around elliott's foot
< 1301359350 199767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care why you're back, all i know is my dreams have come true < 1301359351 874294 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE GOING NOWHERE < 1301359352 137868 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301359368 539800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have a master's degree, yays for me < 1301359382 282197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you're stupid < 1301359384 207800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even oerjan has a phd < 1301359388 195279 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301359391 689103 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1301359397 613384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and HE'S borderline retarded < 1301359409 713595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i hate all fags. and all non-fags. < 1301359411 957068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAXIMUM OFFENCE ACHIEVED < 1301359442 99709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well these things take time when you're as slow as me < 1301359455 244050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate anyone who's ever had a wrong thought < 1301359462 262715 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong how < 1301359486 962581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incorrect, immoral, take your pic < 1301359488 462031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick < 1301359516 533703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :immortal < 1301359524 24805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had both of those < 1301359557 16162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would like to have an immortal thought
< 1301359594 841030 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is the question - curious? < 1301359615 873710 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious is not a question < 1301359621 36304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: If p is a pointer, is p[-1] defined equivalent to *(p-1)? I know array[-1] is undefined. < 1301359636 753365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that array[n] is only defined for 0 <= n < array length < 1301359642 740134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is because (array+n) is < 1301359650 986530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe <= on the last one there) < 1301359659 996344 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd guess yes - but I don't have a copy of the standard to check < 1301359666 562690 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this computer < 1301359686 561534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately my situation is not adequately described by that question unlike what i first thought :) < 1301359731 524478 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : (maybe <= on the last one there) --> no < 1301359753 72278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "if (array_pointer < array + array_size)" is invalid/UB :D < 1301359768 135792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need "if (array_pointer <= array + (array_size - 1))" < 1301359911 8503 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates when gcc fails to build
< 1301360026 78047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when gcc builds, because it's a precursor to having to use gcc < 1301360264 899367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: um yes < 1301360276 966318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1301360294 215773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, that's for (array+n) < 1301360540 635772 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh - I prefer using clang - but I'm doing some benchmarking now < 1301360582 958465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: unfortunately clang is C++ :) < 1301360638 182667 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no problems with C++ < 1301360647 136761 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: so is gcc < 1301360650 76717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: From a language POV or a programs-use-it POV? < 1301360655 131916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, gcc as of 4.6.0 does not have any C++ yet. < 1301360667 884329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least as of 4.5.2, I haven't checked 4.6.0 specifically. < 1301360683 294303 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do know that gcc core@ approved the use of C++ in the program though < 1301360689 30937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it hasn't happened yet. < 1301360707 148993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: From a language POV, C++ is absolutely insane and would be best forgotten. From a programs-use-it POV, some alternative libcs do not support it. < 1301360709 228683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case in point: musl. < 1301360715 14104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yet.) < 1301360716 63724 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :to answer the first question: I would not be against using g++ to get "c with classes" or related types of functionality. To be honest: I'd love to see people use "C++ subset" instead of C < 1301360725 354937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl is looking into working with LLVM's libc++ though. < 1301360737 800637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: have you ever read the C++ FQA? < 1301360743 268319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea of a C plus a class is not inherently bad. < 1301360753 179253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the subset of C++ that is just (not) C plus a class is bad. < 1301360760 484778 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :C as a language is just too bloated, but many of the ideas are decent < 1301360760 684455 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes I've read the C++ FAQ, the C++ Standard, and the TRs for C++ < 1301360765 612176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((not) C because C++ is NOT compatible with C99.) < 1301360767 962044 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* C++ < 1301360772 670529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say FAQ. < 1301360774 761309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said FQA. < 1301360804 378179 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ --> a while ago < 1301360809 977292 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot about it
< 1301360837 664449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good summary of why even the basic features of C++ are broken. < 1301360841 717836 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, I know C99 and C++ are not compatible (neither way C89) < 1301360868 930493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I would prefer people not use C++ or C at all, but if I had to choose I'd choose C. < 1301360896 576025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do "objects" in C (come on, you have structs and functions), and encapsulation of those objects. (Inheritance is a pain, but inheritance is evil anyway.) < 1301360911 590014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is not a convenient language, but C is not at a convenient level. < 1301360931 725112 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes - but it exposes the implementation of those objects and encapsulation; you could just use the already done version of those with C++ < 1301360932 533831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++-as-C-with-classes removes C's advantage, i.e. being low-level, and adds a bad version of objects on top. < 1301360943 682841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ in full is plain insane. < 1301360948 846818 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would (and generally do) choose C with classes (in C++) when I write code that needs the low-level code. < 1301360957 332381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Exposes the implementation of encapsulation? < 1301360962 668116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, try and violate the encapsulation of FILE. < 1301360978 517101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: you can't because it's "typedef struct ... FILE;" < 1301360980 98320 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301360981 629768 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what I meant by that is that: there is no reason to implement that in C when you have a C++ < 1301360982 294181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ exposes implementation unless you take pains to tell it not to < 1301360982 556626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ... is a name. < 1301360988 361626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: But you do NOT have that in C. < 1301360994 270193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not saying - implement an object system in C. < 1301361000 161432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am saying C already has the tools to solve the problems. < 1301361002 773326 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah - I thought you were < 1301361017 421561 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tbh: I'd love to design my own low level C like language < 1301361018 469669 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1301361033 505451 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is starting to get into religious wars < 1301361040 187714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own.. personal.. C like language... < 1301361042 450755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., 90% of the time in a design a struct (almost certainly containing other structs) and some functions serves perfectly well. < 1301361057 493002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other 10% of the time you can still work something out (see: the fact that large systems are written in C). < 1301361063 252761 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm aware < 1301361074 862533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C isn't a language without flaws, in fact it sucks quite fatally. But I'd still rather people use it than C++... < 1301361090 188494 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION refuses to continue further - I'm aware of issues and I don't think this conversation will do much
< 1301361099 276206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. < 1301361107 949903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not arguing with you, however. < 1301361115 893799 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: alright < 1301361137 407658 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry - I just had a *really* bad day < 1301361161 138160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, :( < 1301361181 247295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sorry :) < 1301361196 271587 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is not you < 1301361202 559097 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no need to be sorry :-) < 1301361223 90882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use structures that have function pointers < 1301361243 168340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that is only useful when there is a need < 1301361267 793364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: honestly though, it's a bit of a pointless argument in the first place as I'd rather nobody coded in C at all :) < 1301361295 42986 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well - for über low level things I don't mind C (its basically assembler macros) but in general I agree with you < 1301361308 268010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I wish C semantics were as simple as assembler macros :) < 1301361316 863518 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has their anti-language :-) < 1301361317 62993 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever thing you can do by object oriented, you can do some things without object oriented, by using structures, unions, function pointers, preprocessor macros, and so on. < 1301361321 841798 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mine is perl) < 1301361334 515562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO everything (including drivers) should be in trusted code. I want to say "managed" code, but hate to imply a VM. < 1301361346 715174 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can do anything you can do in python in Assembly; question is is it worth it < 1301361360 39116 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would it be, but one assembler is only for one computer. C is for the same program all computer. < 1301361382 319237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure's argument is that you don't need all of the benefits of objects at once. You should be able to pick and choose. < 1301361387 891374 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would be interested in seeing some sandbox that only lets people do input & output and nothing else. < 1301361391 914486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Err, yes, and? < 1301361404 325684 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the rest could be formally verified code with a small footprint < 1301361407 152769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Err, everything is input and output. < 1301361424 136757 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because, that is why I program in C. The purpose of C is so that you can write one program on other computers too. < 1301361425 976598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm talking e.g. a system based on capabilities < 1301361437 239659 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah: pretty much :- < 1301361438 899845 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1301361440 918972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: such that it would be possible to run all code in ring 0 :) < 1301361448 396866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eliminating the (large) overhead of syscalls) < 1301361453 244794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uh, and the concept of syscalls...) < 1301361466 833516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can do that in any language that isn't assembly. < 1301361498 32494 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zzo38: completely unrelated, I asked this in here a while ago but only Gregor anwered < 1301361501 459765 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm: < 1301361521 725321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's a self-hosted compiler, the non-self-hosted version from the past lost to time, and not ported to the target architecture < 1301361523 939930 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever written a feature complete, non-trivial, bug-free, program that other people use? < 1301361552 883869 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you too < 1301361554 582588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Answering that question required omniscience. < 1301361557 193296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to answer "bug-free") < 1301361561 259472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo wrote PSOX. :-P < 1301361576 808642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not feature complete, trivial, has bugs, and nobody uses it! ;D < 1301361578 833082 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I don't know. I did write some programs for specific customers. < 1301361586 405620 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by bug-free I mean: no known bugs with reasonable testing < 1301361588 33448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the last time I wrote a non-trivial program on my own was PSOX. Or maybe Evolution. But Evolution wasn't on my own. And PSOX, while intended to be used by others... what elliott said < 1301361595 534609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, trivial? < 1301361596 789259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1301361603 594073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take offense to that! < 1301361604 677832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: That's VERY hard to define. < 1301361623 101604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, I don't think the current mcmap revision, which I've contributed a non-trivial amount of code to, has any KNOWN bugs, but I am almost certain it contains bugs. < 1301361624 281107 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: define it as you will, I'm sure you get the intent of the question < 1301361628 622570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last committed version of PSOX has a syntax error. I don't know why. < 1301361636 769538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Feature complete" is basically impossible to define too, every program can have more features :P < 1301361663 880737 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by "feature complete" I mean: that which you have no interest in adding more features too and/or has accomplished its states goals < 1301361676 564310 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :again: I'm sure you get the intent of the question < 1301361694 242963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume the intent is to demonstrate that basically no such programs exist. < 1301361703 63432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from those that are old and used extensively in industry. < 1301361707 754737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, 70s old.) < 1301361709 423799 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I could answer yes to two programs I've written. Other than thay they are either not bug-free or not feature complete < 1301361716 393642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whose needs never change. < 1301361740 61082 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard might be good, if, later I could also make it so that external programs are not required anymore. But it is not quite complete I am sure it has bugs too probably < 1301361742 206306 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the intent of my question is something along the lines of "have you ever finished or completed a program?" < 1301361748 887788 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Which two programs? < 1301361752 810569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: You don't finish programs. < 1301361766 396632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: A finished program is a program that nobody uses any more. < 1301361777 172237 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one was a program to manage users and such for Google Apps < 1301361800 701465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so PSOX is finished! < 1301361812 862227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much doubt that program has no bugs. < 1301361824 247575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Anyway, I wrote an implementation of cat once or twice. < 1301361829 759403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is feature-complete, bug-free. < 1301361884 393817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my programs, it even says so, in the program, that it can certainly be improved. < 1301361905 432756 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was written for a contract with specific features in mind and it completed all those tasks without any bugs (after a year of testing) < 1301361914 82071 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*without any known bugs < 1301361918 501193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: What language? < 1301361923 10255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is relevant.) < 1301361947 854556 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: python. I do NOT count language implementation bugs as relevant here (just as I don't count faulty hardware as bugs) < 1301361953 785695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: The program has bugs. < 1301361982 626139 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain? < 1301361998 737820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, variable could secretly be God. < 1301362002 312584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for one Python allows any value to be None, which is obviously extremely dangerous < 1301362015 418314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dangerous. < 1301362025 875113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be very surprised if it didn't have bugs even going by that alone. < 1301362026 226447 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've got to run right now. < 1301362033 599919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired of my trolling? :) < 1301362042 419489 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually: important phone call < 1301362045 185743 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close ;-p < 1301362053 850446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate telephones. < 1301362091 311833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why? < 1301362097 37325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're annoying :) < 1301362166 343232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is very simple making telephone, just the switch, microphone, speaker. Now you can call anyone, receive telephone call, and even call waiting can work (however, I do not like to subscribe to call waiting). < 1301362178 574840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares how simple it is to make? < 1301362219 889036 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make a telephone like that? < 1301362223 73190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1301362231 129426 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then do so. < 1301362256 220931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you don't like it, you can disconnect it. < 1301362287 905159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) No. I don't want to. (2) I already know I wouldn't like it, so why bother? < 1301362299 95875 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who has not yet contributed to the libc.so fund: There is still time! As those who do not contribute will be required to enter the Evisceration Chamber within 48 hours of the end of the auction, those who have not yet donated are highly advised to consider it! < 1301362316 446209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a Evisceration Chamber? < 1301362335 133799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A chamber where you will be eviscerated. < 1301362335 395697 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly what it sounds like. < 1301362378 973925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think I can send the money anyways. Even if I did want to use that service. And I do not need that service. < 1301362415 422279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Donate the money. < 1301362423 743005 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To where? < 1301362426 43750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor. < 1301362432 221553 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is Gregor? < 1301362439 482101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purdue. < 1301362452 159835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I don't live there. < 1301362458 467545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean you can't send money there. < 1301362468 297646 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is quite the conversation. < 1301362478 924956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 would need to make his own money transfer service first. < 1301362496 498549 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1301362502 493855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how much money it costs. < 1301362568 746824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It does not cost any money, you just give him some amount to use to buy libc.so. < 1301362572 755809 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301362573 994311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be as much as you can afford. < 1301362578 278949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or as little as one cent. < 1301362598 199624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I decide what amount if I don't know how much it costs? < 1301362611 109472 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301362611 371491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Gregor doesn't know. It's an auction < 1301362633 845584 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to donate much to avoid the Evisceration Chamber. < 1301362655 326095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Just decide to give as much as you think Gregor deserves to help him buy libc.so in the auction. < 1301362662 790957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this could be 1 cent or it could be more money if you want. < 1301362757 824492 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES. WE HAVE THEM. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D , http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Everyone who has not yet contributed to the libc.so fund: There is still time! As those who do not contribute will be required to enter the Evisceration Chamber within 48 hours of the end of the auction, those who have not yet donated are highly advised to < 1301362758 216896 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : consider it! < 1301362759 624238 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1301362761 290018 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faillol < 1301362788 919138 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES. WE HAVE THEM. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D , http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Gregor's libc.so fund: As those who do not contribute will be required to enter the Evisceration Chamber within 48 hours of the end of the auction, those who have not yet donated are < 1301362792 714916 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301362797 664424 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :faillol, the new homeopathic drug that is all the rage < 1301362890 2585 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES. WE HAVE THEM. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D , http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Gregor's libc.so fund: Those who don't contribute will be forced into Evisceration Chamber. If you haven't donated, you are highly advised to consider it! < 1301362994 81063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: more like HOMOSEXUAL < 1301363001 486079 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homosexulol < 1301363033 586104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the possible to pay someone for a card, send it to someone in any way (including morse code or telephone), and then they can withdraw it on the other side in the same way? < 1301363035 895267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply rectally < 1301363112 853234 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi < 1301363148 685039 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Adding to my question) That is, without any accounts needed for anything? < 1301363190 13040 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"international money order" rings a bell < 1301363216 574500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is this how you plan to pay Gregor? < 1301363275 661399 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just mean in general. I might not pay Gregor. < 1301363284 506775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But you will be eviscerated! < 1301363398 563100 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe that. If the libc.so service interests me I will make such a payment. But right now it doesn't. < 1301363440 38184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Perhaps we should have a pre-emptive funeral for zzo38. < 1301363448 785362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor, poor zzo38. < 1301363469 412050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to funeral for if I am dead. The funeral will cost too much. < 1301363472 948666 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to/no/ < 1301363484 717309 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want anyone to make funeral for when I am dead, please. < 1301363516 975277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Our funerals cost nothing. < 1301363540 651433 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They might involve evisceration) < 1301363603 582697 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want no funeral for me. < 1301363639 413063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have no choice. < 1301363644 576187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evisceratory funerals are mandatory. < 1301363676 997053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happiness is mandatory. So an evisceratory funeral must be happy! < 1301363687 939263 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celebrate the evisceration of zzo38! < 1301363749 118071 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. < 1301363808 130216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad, I made sure the auction cannot end. < 1301363812 482478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1301363841 227174 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not permitted for you to know. < 1301363848 487966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand to know. < 1301363874 993427 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not matter if you demand, it is still not permitted. < 1301363948 779779 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: isn't it more like fluidity, really? < 1301363970 53843 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a quote from some random esotericist that came in here :P < 1301363975 757119 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to establish it as our creed. < 1301363976 935457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1301364013 694621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are not cleared for this information. please report for evisceration. < 1301364035 20433 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And/or donation to the libc.so fund) < 1301364145 67686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Relevant: I updated the main page. < 1301364161 879205 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC TOPICS IN COMPUTING AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES. WE HAVE THEM. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D , http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Gregor's libc.so fund: Those who don't contribute will be forced into the Evisceration Chamber. If you haven't donated, you are highly advised to consider it! < 1301364175 272891 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1301364186 191766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. Have a nice day! < 1301364681 568877 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one idea for electronic payment which I do not know if anything like this implemented. You go to the bank and pay them any amount of cash (no bank account is needed), and then will give you a card containing a SSH public key. You can use this to issue three commands "inquiry", "split", or "convert"; or you can go to a different bank and give then the card and they will give you your money back (no accounts needed, no questions needed). < 1301364717 713616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PUBLIC key? < 1301364720 227957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean a private key? < 1301364764 879859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1301364819 968 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have made a mistake. But I think in public/private key cryptograpy, some schemes just have two keys, and either one can be used for access of the other. < 1301364839 687783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually private keys are a lot bigger. < 1301364918 557213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a private key is probably what is needed. I think I made a mistake. < 1301364941 380957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1301364970 325214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it does not necessarily have to be a public/private key system. 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:izydor!~izydor@c-98-229-112-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301368989 351545 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did everyone else get split from nearly everyone else? < 1301369106 330810 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a notice about a hub in EU missing < 1301369163 84462 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that could do it < 1301369352 733230 :Guest86411!~elliott@91.104.231.119 NICK :elliott < 1301369356 939861 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.231.119 QUIT :Changing host < 1301369357 139230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301369377 348832 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301369857 416250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301370456 925813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C is a subset of C++" ;; wow, people actually say this. < 1301370512 52336 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is a subset, that's good enough for me < 1301370535 610369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the great John Dvorak" giving up reading this post now < 1301370559 834999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the G isn't capitalized < 1301371343 166336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan i have a nice game for you to play < 1301371343 582012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foddy.net/GIRP.html < 1301371657 20565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.6m yes!!! < 1301371730 27686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.8!!!! < 1301371733 170842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan how well did you do ;D < 1301372655 125407 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301372876 947526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was taking a walk, actually
< 1301373057 736595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Excuses! < 1301373060 29176 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in our lovely march spring snow < 1301373124 579864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is this shit < 1301373541 497721 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i managed to activate the windows slow keys dialog, i take this as my clue to give up < 1301373549 554855 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gue < 1301374470 355643 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301374566 218307 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301376091 337690 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301378936 535657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301382093 55052 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301382308 461830 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301383006 45523 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231188.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301383066 732584 :cheater00!~cheater@g224201071.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301383295 35939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301383424 870470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:32:04: wtf is this shit < 1301383425 426949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:39:01: ok i managed to activate the windows slow keys dialog, i take this as my clue to give up < 1301383425 627705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:39:09: *gue < 1301383427 144356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301383431 714561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far did you get < 1301383440 760037 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very far < 1301383723 388815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i presume you've tried the classic QWOP then < 1301383727 327665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same guy) < 1301383760 627879 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall. i am not much of a player of games, other than puzzle games < 1301383773 967995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foddy.net/Athletics.html it's not a game, it's a torture program < 1301383822 464629 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, then i don't have to look at it < 1301383846 94731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said the torture was optional < 1301383878 355987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it even has a wp article :D < 1301383950 9310 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In QWOP I did run (...well, "run") the hundred metres, but in GIRP I barely managed two metres. < 1301384068 827203 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof: http://zem.fi/~fis/runner.png http://zem.fi/~fis/runner2.png http://zem.fi/~fis/runner3.png http://zem.fi/~fis/runner4.png http://zem.fi/~fis/runner5.png < 1301384126 527631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's the Cheating Method. < 1301384143 436519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe correct method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJeJtK7Q2kk < 1301384165 17739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to 10 m in GIRRRRRP < 1301384291 781745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: With GIRP the trick is to press shift at clever times. < 1301384352 899392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which incidentally is precisely how you activate slow keys in windows. approximately. < 1301384377 405736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301384386 206776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't you mean < 1301384386 407339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STICKYKEYS < 1301384395 656802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's the norwegian name < 1301384401 753066 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, i'm backtranslating here < 1301384439 425859 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i think there are two different settings one might accidentally trigger this way < 1301384455 107565 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one by holding a key too long, the other by pushing it too many times < 1301384466 811594 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not quite sure which one i did < 1301384490 370516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well QWOP has no use of the shift key at all! < 1301384546 727006 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really not very fond of games that depend on dexterity and timing. especially since i developed rsi-like symptoms. < 1301384661 709621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that + unpredictable feedback < 1301384966 891259 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301385141 12587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise the game is not meant to be _enjoyable_ :D < 1301385152 905073 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1301385174 222485 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiously, i'm not very fond of games that are not enjoyable, either < 1301385183 207307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1301385187 224113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best game is irc < 1301385190 817403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite possibilities < 1301385212 733458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the ai is pretty good < 1301385223 780503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1301385230 430847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only has one personality < 1301385230 694212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fag < 1301385233 899955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1301385246 638992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was entitled: < 1301385249 159590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joys of solipsism < 1301385342 644621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dryness of water < 1301385481 32096 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unbearable lightness of lead < 1301385508 886080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chocolate of merchantability < 1301385520 629576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pindrop of castrated bongos < 1301385536 385341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you slipped out of the theme there < 1301385551 789911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom slipped out of the theme there. < 1301385561 478853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that lines up < 1301385564 155474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my proportional font < 1301385564 947872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301385577 279833 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you proportional fiend! < 1301385591 484827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only in proportion!! HAHAHAHAHA < 1301385608 140852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...o kay < 1301385616 181894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION backs away carefully
< 1301385635 564335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHA < 1301386717 254154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where is : the moon? < 1301386747 636090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...still insane, i take < 1301386781 351306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THE MOON < 1301386786 923577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would....... withhold the moon < 1301386926 590210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :| < 1301386961 692261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ashamed in oerjan. < 1301386969 620865 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how lunatic of you < 1301387001 72384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the moon ruse was a...... DISTACTION < 1301387019 75401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the irc. < 1301387034 478503 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1301387042 703521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD this means i win < 1301387352 534081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I love df. I just updated it and now it has bee keeping as well. :D < 1301387367 577874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it hvae irc < 1301387371 689535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1301387375 232818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alme < 1301387399 928754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, however bee keeping requires an industry of ceramics, for making honey pots < 1301387418 302466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that means a lot of attention to various types of glazing of the jugs in true df spirit! < 1301387440 495557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at last Vorpal finds a game as tedious as he is! < 1301387447 68909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301387453 36566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301387481 14441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course the clay industry is also complex. I'm reading up on that atm < 1301387565 511211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quoting the release notes for the update that introduced this: < 1301387568 3676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I didn't get very far into glazing, but you can ash glaze and tin glaze (with cassiterite). Earthenware jugs need to be glazed to hold liquids. Stoneware and porcelain jugs don't require glaze but can be glazed." < 1301387582 600964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is already more detail than what most games would include < 1301387588 923268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't this be in -minecraft where it's off-topic < 1301387601 473072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it is just as off topic here < 1301387620 163042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301387659 21327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but seriously you have to admire the attention to detail put into df. < 1301387659 426925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:59:28: GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (powerpc-apple-darwin8.0) < 1301387659 637128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:59:28: Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. < 1301387659 637300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the heck did i use this ... < 1301387675 563707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe that was 10.4's bash and it just said powerpc < 1301387680 919594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, wouldn't play it though :P < 1301387719 69476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure the learning curve is not so much a curve as a non-derivable discontinuity in the graph but once you get past that, it is awesome < 1301387833 674013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm using the site finder atm to find a nice place to embark on a new world to test out this new bee keeping stuff < 1301387856 18108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up, trying to remember the name of that thing so i can respond < 1301387862 966341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of what thing? < 1301387867 752120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1301387868 685932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1301387877 917525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :describe it or something < 1301387929 848378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is like < 1301387931 665427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoooooooo < 1301387932 648803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a function < 1301387934 681276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imma go straight up < 1301387936 742561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fuck you < 1301387939 77084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1301387942 704353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going straight down < 1301387945 379839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot stop me!! < 1301387947 64342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be math, could be programming. < 1301387953 461756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathzz < 1301387957 275627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it ends up looking all _|_ < 1301387958 714428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people are like < 1301387960 287939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol function < 1301387961 823239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even? < 1301387963 604771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, asymtope? < 1301387966 547207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about spelling < 1301387967 498733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301387969 469704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some fancy name < 1301387971 679982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is named after a person < 1301387975 360938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who it is named after. < 1301387978 457949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1301388010 106729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a function just totally goes up for one instant < 1301388012 990665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz it doesn't even give a shit. < 1301388027 680076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like the plot of tan(x) does? < 1301388035 634508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no. < 1301388039 480214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is some specific thing < 1301388041 738224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :used in some field of things. < 1301388042 17114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301388054 990474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an abstruse goose comic that referenced it once! ill find that :D < 1301388076 639158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :goose comic, never heard of that one < 1301388078 771892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1301388095 673799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the abstruse is part of the name heh < 1301388106 497308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like xkcd but worse but better < 1301388151 554804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the front page comic... Either they are several or there doesn't seem to be much connection between the topics in it. < 1301388164 223729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, got to the end. Well that explains it < 1301388436 340652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could just wait for oerjan to tell us < 1301388441 313610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt oklopol would know, he's stupid < 1301388481 819449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... < 1301388492 262569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he? I didn't know that < 1301388536 811030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes totally < 1301388540 646805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not waiting for him to come and act offended < 1301388541 243551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nosiree < 1301388553 535570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :suure :P < 1301388649 804608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: please, enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidarity this fine tuesday :) < 1301388652 654223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*solidity < 1301388653 479381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1301388741 690848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sounds interesting. What does it do? < 1301388752 474794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: confines you to solid forms, one presumes < 1301388755 103041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrixly < 1301388768 736431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the MATRIX is solid. < 1301388775 875547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're just confined in a nondescript manner. < 1301388780 960082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows? only its original utterer. < 1301388812 78352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weren't you the original utterer? Or did you quote someone? < 1301388834 664659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps paraphrase someone < 1301388837 271120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the new Esoteric Motto, provoked by me, uttered by some insane esoterica-seeker, and popularised by Gregor. < 1301388852 196833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tells me that I should mock such people more often. < 1301388875 876464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone who came here and had no clue what the channel was about? < 1301388889 986904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301388907 265043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually we did a stupid magick skit :P < 1301388911 704161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T THINK THEY WERE FOOLED < 1301392799 290730 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301398509 433596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the df wiki seems down < 1301400692 137932 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301401401 504470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301401924 302396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301401963 971221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301402295 830828 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/motto/creed/ < 1301402710 94475 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301404943 904960 :nooga_!nooga@jasminek.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301405514 436504 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301405583 630471 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 NICK :augur < 1301405637 119006 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301407528 23762 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm! < 1301407545 374240 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Pure might be very similar to my intentions for antigravity when i was seriously poking around with it < 1301407547 233951 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Gregor! < 1301407577 527371 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, Pure is not, ok. < 1301407612 380442 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor rrrrr! < 1301407771 904830 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Is this you wanting to donate to the libc.so fund? :P < 1301407785 888542 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301407788 411628 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301407792 262875 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is me wanting to talk about generative music < 1301407804 145783 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i'll donate well wishings to the fund < 1301407804 631807 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1301407806 749154 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that! < 1301407879 872389 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301408350 98305 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Well now I don't know if I want to *huff* < 1301408369 624856 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1301408468 279087 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would talk about generative music ... < 1301408478 965461 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since you'll just be forced into the Evisceration Chamber anyway, what difference does it make? < 1301408493 88891 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1301408499 724254 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know of any good papers on the topic? < 1301409195 639228 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! < 1301409255 956988 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301409311 21858 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301409517 10379 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Nope :P < 1301409523 478327 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1301409547 319475 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never read any paper on the subject, because I've never heard generated music that isn't abysmally bad. < 1301409571 946108 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1301409574 372988 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301409586 288261 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just looking for frameworks, really < 1301409665 601230 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. < 1301409689 799703 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1301409694 164712 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like being solid < 1301409698 98556 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want to be goo < 1301409699 66428 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301409722 379295 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: These poor, poor mundanes locked in their matrices. < 1301409761 66659 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW my log format is prettier than it was before :) < 1301409777 56325 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301409860 359023 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301410659 110635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301410905 714479 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log.html?c=_esoteric&d=2011-03-29#073046elliott <-- check out this magic! < 1301410971 237918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I have discovered the solution to all your Minecraft-related navigational plights! < 1301411013 202373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you have, like, a fetish for huge columns of blank space? < 1301411032 915482 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you have, like, a fetish for having such a ridiculously long name that I have to overallocate? < 1301411043 237891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :PH______________ < 1301411055 242736 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1301411070 233245 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are still about 5 empty columns. < 1301411082 504759 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just have a fetish for being a complaining bitch. < 1301411083 800062 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it. < 1301411103 635847 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Jesus, there's no need to be so upset. < 1301411122 239851 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, reduced. < 1301411124 466862 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blank space sort-of annoyed me as well, although it's the fault of people with long nicks rather than of the page < 1301411127 844892 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now quit thine bitching :P < 1301411138 285964 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :juiced dealt with the issue by clipping long names and padding short ones < 1301411148 543176 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people always think I'm /upset/ when I act like a jerk? I'm just a jerk. < 1301411183 840835 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1301411197 855694 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you don't act like a jerk *most* of the time. < 1301411310 93603 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway you're supposed to be amazed by my awesome highlighting and permalinking by-line. < 1301411351 625143 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the highlighting JS-based? < 1301411358 157687 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole page is JS-based. < 1301411362 447730 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The formatting is JS-based. < 1301411381 206594 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I normally have JS off < 1301411398 355374 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1301411403 899802 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really mind if it still degrades gracefully anyway < 1301411409 650886 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1301411420 491793 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalker mode needing JS makes sense < 1301411428 258082 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 NICK :hamiltonian < 1301411430 906701 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could make it degrade "gracefully" by forwarding you to the text version :P < 1301411431 847635 :hamiltonian!~augur@208.58.6.161 NICK :augur < 1301411563 130959 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301412311 553875 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301412870 719122 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301412888 577851 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, if you don't have JS then it degrades to text. All those who don't have JS: Welcome to 2011, we are pleased to see that your long-term cryogenic sleep was successful. Please enjoy your stay. < 1301412939 937760 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301413251 101307 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301413340 937911 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I once had to wrangle with someone who said that not having *CSS* degrade gracefully was EVIL. < 1301413350 21340 :PH______________!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1301413362 954916 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, this probably does degrade gracefully if you have JS but no CSS :P < 1301413448 595331 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what if you want to quickly look something up in w3m while programming? < 1301413452 16921 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually do that sometimes) < 1301413488 322962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, it wasn't even that graceless. You just got some random letters and numbers in place of some random characters. < 1301414347 458481 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-90.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301414518 167568 :cheater99!~cheater@e181140157.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301414546 167493 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231188.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301414551 85387 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301414587 505705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : There, if you don't have JS then it degrades to text. All those who don't have JS: Welcome to 2011, we are pleased to see that your long-term cryogenic sleep was successful. Please enjoy your stay. <-- the issue with js is that a lot of sites use it in a way that doubles their loading time, even if they don't use js for the actual loading (in other words, those that still work and don't become < 1301414587 711706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :blank without js) < 1301414606 498504 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1301414681 457092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is my experience using firefox. Of course some of that can probably be blamed on firefox too, but I have noticed the same pattern even in browsers I use less often. < 1301414786 975827 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301414866 533500 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301414920 999311 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, it even works in w3m now. < 1301414922 866849 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now shoo. < 1301414924 875014 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with disabling JS is that this is the year 2011. < 1301414932 937762 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web is no longer just a text medium, it is a platform. < 1301414940 571316 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.09: 64k to Taiwan, 16k to Vietnam, 2x128k+20x64k+1k to China, 256 to Australia, 256 to India, 256 to Sigapore, 1k to Samoa. < 1301414957 199319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301415184 390230 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimate for depletion stays at Friday April 15th. < 1301415245 821448 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.118 blocks this calender month. < 1301415394 222286 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even half that would be historically quite rare (IIRC, >1 block per month has been exeeded 4 times before this month, 2 being this year) < 1301415480 470229 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logaritmic space: /7.588. < 1301415688 659105 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last 30 days: 2.660 blocks. Wow, just wow. < 1301415845 467589 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301416184 212880 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301416233 202298 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301416849 216512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : There, it even works in w3m now. <-- what about lynx? < 1301416855 240212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1301417303 172486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1301417894 892854 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host < 1301417895 135822 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301417989 694712 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301418051 451829 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301418089 493487 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301418092 823585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301418096 924476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1301418107 274814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1301418397 819643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly! < 1301418409 289814 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1301418422 104684 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatting is unnecessary, I promise < 1301418427 190212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT FIREFLY YOU BROKE THE CHAIN < 1301418432 227338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCOMPETENT SWEDE < 1301418436 884218 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1301418449 507217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE ALL SWEDES INCOMPETENT < 1301418458 794230 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because your line lacks a question mark < 1301418458 998650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT OLSNER, HE'S ALL RIGHT < 1301418531 77944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly for breaking the chain -----###
< 1301418539 775323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD WORK OERJAN < 1301418553 705716 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i'm in a lot of places < 1301418596 859018 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: um but surely only on one freenode server? i was referring to the weird netsplit that was just happening then < 1301418607 117963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORW... YOU GUYS NEED A BETTER REFERENTIAL THING < 1301418642 280644 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while hopping from server to server, it looked like every server was split from every other. < 1301418663 32959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this included the logbots) < 1301418683 101710 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, only one freenode server < 1301418724 748824 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: quite possibly. < 1301418736 126524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE... NORDS. OR NORNS. < 1301418736 959705 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm connected to that server since almost 2 day < 1301418746 361671 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since my last disconnection) < 1301418784 102412 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: there was a global notice afterwards that a big hub in the EU had disappeared. < 1301418885 951936 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i see just pratchett & anthony < 1301419021 560469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming something's rotten in the state of Freenode? < 1301419797 959718 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it may even have been in the vicinity of denmark < 1301419886 828664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY GOD < 1301419893 384568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, YOUR COMMENTS! < 1301420156 270242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : we could just wait for oerjan to tell us < 1301420163 476934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jump discontinuity perhaps? < 1301420217 355117 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301420256 268635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:39:29: it has some fancy name < 1301420256 475436 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:39:31: that is named after a person < 1301420262 360132 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. dirac delta? < 1301420289 337473 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301420330 624491 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301420380 649017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that's not actually a "real" function. there's a plain delta function which is, though. < 1301420399 587248 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kronecker delta < 1301420407 105744 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1301420419 935010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi [DaTa] < 1301420452 730845 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing mobile irc app < 1301420494 645032 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't want to interrupt sorry < 1301420514 490522 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one but me were talking at the moment anyway < 1301420575 402075 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kk < 1301420602 838631 :[DaTa]!~DaTa]@151.64.124.145 PART :#esoteric < 1301420898 652175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders who that was.
< 1301420913 748869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh hm that's not actually a "real" function. there's a plain delta function which is, though. ← define "real"? < 1301421179 115740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the Cantor set is uncountable? < 1301421231 447305 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function explains it < 1301421231 691271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1301421235 618452 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL < 1301421257 288440 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"real" = the usual set of pairs kind < 1301421265 387033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way we use lambdabot as an impromptu MemoServ. < 1301421277 803129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't the delta function just that? < 1301421312 886202 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. the dirac delta is supposed to be zero everywhere except at zero, and still have integral one. this is impossible for a real function. < 1301421323 303099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1301421418 215225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, have you received the HORRIBLE NEWS? < 1301421419 512635 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: obviously. < 1301421440 769051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, where are you? < 1301421448 10668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes the cantor set is uncountable, same cardinality as the real numbers or the interval [0,1]. < 1301421459 130992 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in the hollands < 1301421467 995806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, not DENMARK? < 1301421473 26815 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no NOT DENMARK < 1301421478 520885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm, it seems it should be countable... < 1301421481 40536 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your news? < 1301421492 279424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, didn't you get the memo from lambdabot? < 1301421495 378809 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301421501 692083 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well she is a "scientist" < 1301421507 711883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No she isn't. < 1301421514 537959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense the only difference is that in the cantor set you don't identify .01111.... with .10000.... etc. but the number of such cases _are_ countable and therefore don't affect the total cardinality. < 1301421516 328631 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quote scientist) < 1301421529 440921 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scare-quote scientist) < 1301421548 707327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What she does is closest, perhaps, to mathematics, but only in the loosest sense. < 1301421561 288129 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when thinking of the cantor set in binary. i guess in the usual "remove center" version s/1/2/ and use trinary.) < 1301421575 278276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/1/2/g < 1301421584 604255 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm insulted on behalf of mathematics. < 1301421603 86012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence 'loosest sense'. < 1301421603 720527 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What she does is more akin to accounting. < 1301421622 663417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better, actually. < 1301421638 766806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not even zzo's insane accounting. < 1301421649 342259 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except accounting has a purpose. < 1301421651 693111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, unlike everything else zzo does, actually sounds interesting. < 1301421659 646637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, IT HAS A PURPOSE < 1301421661 771201 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. I was not aware of this < 1301421669 728238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How ELSE will people mine data????? < 1301421674 828744 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to imagine zzo38's accounting methods
< 1301421682 970893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like the way we use lambdabot as an impromptu MemoServ. <-- recently when someone tried to send me a MemoServ memo i nearly missed it because its unobtrusive notice got lost in the server status messages. < 1301421699 135106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it involved Dirac notation. < 1301421805 708412 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... that's beautiful. < 1301421858 903828 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was sort of neat < 1301421907 192513 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I have this vague recollection that I'm wondering if it's an hallucination on my part. Wasn't there once a programming language called "Fish", or "Fish Programming Language", which had an article somewhere (on Wikipedia I think) -- it involved a big picture of a fish, and each scale on the fish had a number(?) and colour(?) and you programmed it by changing these? < 1301421929 337004 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be confused with deadfish, i assume < 1301421934 597763 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor <>< < 1301421970 778160 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and definitely not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISh_%28programming_language%29 < 1301422015 571331 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or blub < 1301422048 410465 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait < 1301422049 627196 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/FiPL < 1301422087 620284 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was deleted from Wikipedia < 1301422101 12391 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not on esolangs.org anywhere that i can see < 1301422108 3241 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and official site is down (of course) < 1301422108 642169 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds familiar, with the colored scales thing. < 1301422139 591149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this all sounds somewhat fishy < 1301422199 195442 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301422217 585925 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fish" is a not very greppable term. < 1301422225 52746 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2007-01-14 01:28:51] < oerjan> A very fishy language. < 1301422234 608108 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301422243 875784 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was re: homespring.) < 1301422317 220016 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly an uncommon theme here, is it? < 1301422328 193629 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we're all quite fishy. < 1301422347 315236 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for both fish and scale just gives me fungot "this evening's debate is certainly the case for amendments nos 3 and 4, so that we can all see the work we do with small-scale fishermen." < 1301422347 520060 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't do anything to cause trouble with it. i might even be on fnord < 1301422435 817583 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, FiPL was definitely what I was thinking of; just surprised it never got an article on esolangs.org < 1301422515 829874 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now EVERY feature degrades gracefully. < 1301422519 351253 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more complaining, nonJSers. < 1301422521 748176 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO MORE COMPLAINING EVER. < 1301422550 128142 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :nonJSer < 1301422553 710672 :nonJSer!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND PROUD OF IT < 1301422567 483699 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it even works in lynx. < 1301422579 161768 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the *day* is the HTML link. < 1301422582 313639 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in lynx it provides literally zero benefit over just using the text :P < 1301422584 81944 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I = slow. < 1301422584 286630 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301422619 384989 :nonJSer!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :AnMaster < 1301422631 237589 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301422636 324260 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, now you're really causing problems. < 1301422644 540138 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Have a fit plz < 1301422646 647872 :AnMaster!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RED FLAG RED FLAG < 1301422649 128840 :AnMaster!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301422834 415732 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301423000 263434 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the scripting do, exactly? It seems to be possible to highlight a particular line, but that's all I've found. < 1301423032 2854 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The script was originally generating the entire log's HTML, dynamically. < 1301423039 304869 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then people went all "bleh I'm a caveman I don't have JS" < 1301423073 848317 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So now the only client-side feature is the highlighting; but that's associated with the hash in the URL (e.g. #001100Gregor), so you can give somebody else that URL and have the same line highlighted. < 1301423086 547544 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I add searching and such, things will get more sophisticated. < 1301423135 107421 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stalker mode still generates the HTML dynamically) < 1301423145 623012 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301423152 442994 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301423172 476870 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1301423480 71809 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301424319 752471 :nelix!~nlx@home.nelix.id.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1301424880 184220 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301424880 581823 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301424880 786859 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301424943 227335 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that I put no effort whatsoever into making the HTML logs work on mobile browsers, it works surprisingly well. < 1301425035 376690 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301426158 19715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that for the last 5 years or so, mobile browsing has been all about making desktop sites work well < 1301426292 918014 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's true. < 1301426334 100047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus, America seems worse and worse the more I read. < 1301426458 254746 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasons why the USA seems so bad in media: 1) Our huge international influence means everything we do is global press. 2) We're freaking huge; not everything that happens anywhere in the US is even borderline representative of the entire country, and yet people don't say "France must suck!" when they hear about something terrible happening in Croatia. 3) We have some kind of problem with the notion of just laughing at people who are too stupid to live. Instead < 1301426458 506518 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : they form niches and then become TV pundits. < 1301426483 874798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no, I mean in terms of actual quality of life. < 1301426515 819035 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You either have fucking gold-lined streets or (2) applies. < 1301426524 322512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, OK. < 1301426531 781062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although even then... < 1301426596 486593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thar's gold in them welsh hills < 1301426613 694705 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hills/sheep/ < 1301426628 403305 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh that's how they extract it < 1301426643 760641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I still pretending to be Welsh? < 1301426646 311241 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sheep eat the gold-infused grass in the hills < 1301426656 56590 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well i didn't want to assume you weren't < 1301426666 444476 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: GLOGBOT KNOWS THE TRUTH NOW FOREVER < 1301426730 871700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've stated multiple times before that I'm Scottish, I just get a kick out of fooling V⁠orpal. < 1301426748 799617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that's NBSPed to avoid pings; please don't start letting him know.) < 1301426784 198077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nbsped? < 1301426798 493880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-breaking space. < 1301426805 690707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301426812 194421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inserted between the V and the o to throw off any ping highlighting. < 1301426814 75138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1301426814 640738 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_expunge_regex /:Phantom_Hoover!.*PRIVMSG #esoteric :.*scot/i < 1301426816 515500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott was here? < 1301426824 592298 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client doesn't even notice it's there... < 1301426839 936429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ...you can make glogbot ignore arbitrary things? < 1301426841 376061 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then it's a good client that understands Unicode :P < 1301426853 720460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: O KAY < 1301426854 420732 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pfff, nonsense. < 1301426870 917479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually *can* see it because in a fit of madness I set every font I could to Libertine, and it kerns the hell out of everything, < 1301426886 72754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And NBSPs prevent it. < 1301426907 734159 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heywait, don't you mean zero-width space? < 1301426915 10456 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-breaking space is still the width of a space :P < 1301426936 415892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES ALL RIGHT GREGOR THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR "FACTS" TO THE DISCUSSION < 1301426963 794204 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ENJOY BEING LOCKED IN YOUR MATRIX OF SOLIDITY. < 1301426975 117725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO < 1301426980 713087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT YOU ARE THE ONES WITH THE FACTS < 1301427012 741092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scotland does have the dubious distinction of eating even less healthily than America." < 1301427019 210573 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301427024 196113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BonnieScotland) < 1301427026 366712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a shame you're not welsh - welsh gets bonus points for appearing in a swedish word for gibberish, and I kind of like the welsh english accent < 1301427061 284602 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaudervelsk? < 1301427092 98938 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess, that literally means "The Language of the Welsh", but its connotation is "gibberish" < 1301427094 12422 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol, I have discovered the solution to all your Minecraft-related navigational plights!" <<< is what < 1301427142 390158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rotvälska, which might mean rootwelsh < 1301427156 921320 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it has anything to do with welsh, really < 1301427169 691708 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, not really, they just both come from the same word somewhere earlier on that means foreign < 1301427210 4796 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kauderwelsch appears to be german < 1301427251 195466 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A mixture of West Germanic and North Germanic languages spoken on the border between Germany and Denmark." < 1301427362 440285 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" In QWOP I did run (...well, "run") the hundred metres, but in GIRP I barely managed two metres." <<< i ran the 100m without cheating right? < 1301427364 160376 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure < 1301427373 809702 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, I think you did. < 1301427376 733977 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But that's you. < 1301427383 848646 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's GIRP? Second time I've seen it mentioned. < 1301427395 47353 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how is that not enjoyable < 1301427400 657374 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foddy.net/GIRP.html < 1301427402 535535 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like QWOP except you climb up. < 1301427417 999787 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: it's not that much like QWOP either.) < 1301427447 135263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's safe to open that link < 1301427541 422218 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's why GIRP's score system changes over time: it'll show your distance when you start playing, but if you reach the top of the cliff (which will definitely take more than a few goes), it'll record how fast you can scamper up next time you play. Foddy says he can reach the peak in about 20 minutes." < 1301427545 500560 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it has a goal too. < 1301427583 137682 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 minutes of climbing? < 1301427598 319974 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... fucking awesome < 1301427601 966510 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's just the game creator; I'm sure you can improve on that. < 1301427605 734889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i'll just watch house for now < 1301427706 740390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " oklopol, I have discovered the solution to all your Minecraft-related navigational plights!" <<< is what < 1301427708 707104 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301427722 289429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2011/2/24/9/enhanced-buzz-17712-1298559561-22.jpg < 1301427766 286823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301427845 703182 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that certainly works < 1301428374 155669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still entertained when I remember the time you tried to find some sand for the Cube and ended up walking to Deewiant's from the north. < 1301428683 633277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301428696 545300 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1301428708 896529 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i found the sand! admittedly that just meant i randomly bumped into a beach. < 1301428757 385673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "C is a subset of C++" ;; wow, people actually say this. < 1301428778 569283 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's incorrect, but is it just things like whether void* gets automatically cast into other types of pointers, or is there more? < 1301428818 772035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that thingy that the polygot linked to by zzo38 exploited, with sizeof(char) being different) < 1301429311 217471 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the fact that C++ keywords (class, friend) are ordinary identifiers in C. < 1301429343 940894 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some implicit-declaration things where you can leave prototypes out, but that's more of a bad idea. < 1301429348 53227 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://david.tribble.com/text/cdiffs.htm < 1301429547 775424 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that I don't see in Deewiant's link is that C++ forbids calling main() recursively (rationale: "the main function may require special actions"), while in C that's of course all right. < 1301429589 709706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301429620 604607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :girp has absolutely nothing to do with qwop < 1301429621 280256 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C++98 spec has an informative "Annex C: compatibility" which lists changes too. < 1301429635 382500 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: They're made by the same guy. < 1301429642 347590 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have nothing in common < 1301429651 71252 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they have the author in common. < 1301429671 936782 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also both are played by pressing keys on the keyboard. < 1301429673 275182 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and in both, there are pixels on the screen < 1301429687 693497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The names are both 4 characters long. < 1301429704 394533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up mister < 1301429706 738550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :S;DA < 1301429731 708476 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone happen to know how to disable the keyboard shortcut for sticky keys < 1301429747 573910 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be there in the "accessibility properties" thingamajick. < 1301429752 448351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also while you're at it, anyone know how to remove "insert" completely < 1301429956 34505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is the point of sticky keys anyway, is it for people who love closing processes, and only have one finger? < 1301430029 231227 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps people who have only one finger and just want to use keyboard shortcuts in general. < 1301430069 438501 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm true. and here i thought it has very little use cases. < 1301430120 592415 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an a11y thing anyway, they're sort-of meant for people with... difficulties. Or whatever the PC expression is. ("Accessively challenged"?) < 1301430136 905807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it doesn't have enough use cases to justify automatically binding it to the shift key. < 1301430170 686218 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, their way to make those features more discoverable is not perhaps the best. < 1301430182 8869 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But doesn't the first-time prompt for it ask if you want to permanently disable it or not? < 1301430187 607734 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301430192 470788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it does, i missed it < 1301430206 998903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always prompts whether i want to enable sticky keys < 1301430218 219981 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a bit of a silly. < 1301430226 91769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :orally. < 1301430248 477190 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same place where you'd normally enable it (control panel/something/something) at least used to have the checkboxes that disable the automatical prompting. < 1301430272 886412 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i managed to disable it < 1301430286 391387 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only took 5 minutes what with explorer crashing and all that < 1301430322 534890 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should switch to another os, but since i'm prolly never going to do it maybe i should just stop using computers < 1301430342 488503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, but how will you IRC with us? < 1301430349 34572 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :manually < 1301430415 302867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whistling into a phone line? < 1301430425 417138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually not entirely sure < 1301430464 720875 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah maybe i'll need some sort of irc machine < 1301430498 137849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just install $minimal_os and run IRC on it. < 1301430519 519078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not with, like, a client. < 1301430522 153433 :nelix!~nlx@home.nelix.id.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301430526 23039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just nc straight to Freenode. < 1301430795 230705 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be able to produce a sound that caused my modem to start a handshake (normally the calling side just waits), but I doubt anyone can actually do the whistling thing, at least with anything even remotely modern modem standards. (To start the handshake you just need a close-enough match for a 2100 Hz single-frequency tone, and at least my modem wasn't very picky about it.) < 1301431060 856681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in other news, Renault have become The Most Annoying Advertisers. < 1301431163 8224 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301431166 961047 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301431169 284144 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301431171 39249 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301431173 271079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301431174 399956 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301431176 536512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1301431187 410602 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You somehow opened the gates of oko. < 1301431187 648606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the okocalypse. < 1301431203 197322 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301431205 502779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301431206 564855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301431212 907689 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point i have no idea what happened there < 1301431213 450325 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it is a neurological affectation of some sort. < 1301431229 582869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND LO, THERE WAS BEFORE ME AN OKO HORSE < 1301431275 901484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or the oklopolypse < 1301431296 647327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hmm, that's a better name. < 1301431571 749670 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An oklopolyp is some sort of a marine thing. < 1301431592 256480 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you mean: colon polyp" < 1301431600 207709 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Google, I did not mean that. < 1301431623 419177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ooh, you have a YouTube account. < 1301431632 664741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should totally upload something. < 1301431640 556674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you saying "oko" for ten minutes. < 1301431738 400616 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301431745 491687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey! < 1301431761 124230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plural of oklopol should be oklopodes < 1301431801 658287 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1301431812 268954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oklopals - as in "Oklopol and his Friendly Oklopals" < 1301431832 76136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is an expert on oklology. < 1301431995 278486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are videos of me and others okoing for hours < 1301432018 115982 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't like publishing picture of myself < 1301432104 56406 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklobaba. (Cf. Napababa.) < 1301432123 537019 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if pictures of the oklo appear we'll use them to cut together a nature documentary about the shy oklopodes and their colorful and loud mating displays < 1301432131 946341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly narrated by attenborough < 1301432160 809179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, "The oklopol creates a nest from a bathtub, and fills it with nutritious Cola." < 1301432237 88236 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301432306 213978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If its potential mate prefers Sprite, however, all his work will have gone to waste." < 1301433045 23151 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301433569 503188 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301433697 625846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads erowid.
< 1301433703 221836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD at the LSD effects. < 1301433715 388292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Positive: life-changing spiritual experiences. < 1301433728 544468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative: unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences. < 1301433811 194056 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301434078 560609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want this life-changing spiritual experience! I was quite happy being unenlightened! < 1301434307 651977 :cheater99!~cheater@e181140157.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301434640 498339 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had a life-changing spiritual experience, and are now completely certain that cthulhu loves you. with a little bearnaise sauce. < 1301434822 767101 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1929 Bahaha < 1301434908 753862 :cheater99!~cheater@g228060233.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301435326 310994 :cheater99!~cheater@g228060233.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301435587 69348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1301435590 468388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301435723 632609 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover implies sleep? < 1301435848 651258 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather frequently < 1301435884 703252 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-90.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301436953 929531 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... a language whose programs form a group (like Burro) but the group is finitely generated (unlike Burro). I almost have one... < 1301437041 84487 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By all rights it should be named "Mulo" but I don't think I like that name. < 1301437202 476352 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437268 746981 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :burro -> burrito? < 1301437317 927916 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :burrito -> burritino? < 1301437388 70292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437389 555415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:53:15: there are videos of me and others okoing for hours < 1301437389 758673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:53:38: but i don't like publishing picture of myself < 1301437390 110724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frappy < 1301437392 105636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301437401 898366 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1301437415 524089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't like killing people either but i'm still not a virgin < 1301437421 305254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437423 688880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frappr that is < 1301437425 157231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301437435 71587 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/frapp[yr]/fappy/ < 1301437460 986325 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437580 201558 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sounds like it should be doable if the commands just fail to commutate enough < 1301437608 352487 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :burro isn't finitely generated? < 1301437635 415514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some nested construct, doesn't it < 1301437678 535566 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't remember at all, i just remember it was not a group < 1301437702 734351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pessimistic bastard ain't i < 1301437713 88749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go to sleep now < 1301437746 461657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to do something with lots of commutators. i think. >:) < 1301437807 711066 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301437808 800405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301437898 622821 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am reminded of that underload variant which removes () and instead uses a command that adds a single-character list containing the next one < 1301437918 980225 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a finitely generated monoid, at least < 1301437953 689773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/adds/pushes/ < 1301437971 687849 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301438127 986943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a finitely generated monoid is a pair containing a set S and a function * from S^2 to S such that (a*b)*c = a*(b*c) for all a, b, c in S and there is some 1 in S such that 1*a = a*1 = a for all a in S and also there exists a finite subset X of S such that {1} union X union X^2 union ... union X^n is S for some n < 1301438152 687468 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Burro, being based vaguely on brainfuck, has nested conditional blocks, so not finitely generated < 1301438231 841048 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally a group now though, since 2010 < 1301438261 637479 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll check if i agree omorrow < 1301438293 131595 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i have to do -> < 1301438305 473429 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol implies right margin < 1301438444 439366 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301438467 451993 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301438468 834471 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301438595 418809 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know about commutators -- I mean I've vaguely know what the concept is, I don't know how to work with them and I'm not approaching the design of the thing by saying to myself "ok so do I have enough commands that fail to commute yet". Maybe after I've got it together I'll try looking at it that way. < 1301438637 814320 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I've got right now is basically a reversible tag system. < 1301438675 173864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301438690 498156 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inverse of matching the front of the queue and appending to the back, is (sort of) matching the back of the queue and appending to the front. < 1301438764 926946 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile -- I rock at javascript < 1301438768 271455 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION air guitar
< 1301438816 358322 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait there was no verb in that action < 1301438846 710326 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be quittin' time < 1301438848 126759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION accidentally cpressey's air guitar
< 1301438855 707557 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS yeah < 1301438858 529802 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheeeee < 1301438859 899457 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301439295 643923 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1301439906 848868 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301440229 542711 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301440911 311168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301440917 476511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SQL OVERLORDS ARE COMING < 1301440918 131585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301440953 205254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear'; drop table overlords; -- MWAHAHAHA < 1301441300 739083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simon's hot... er, I got shot < 1301441482 876725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^quote < 1301441488 320166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, as in, that's a quote < 1301441500 805338 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU SAY SO < 1301441512 915732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO < 1301441593 543845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the chances of him responding are rather low, but that's an impressive uptime < 1301441614 670257 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301441638 509256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's his uptime? I don't see any such thing in whois < 1301441696 687603 :augur!~augur@96.231.223.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301441730 154217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301443384 62704 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well idle time < 1301443386 181408 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idle : 15 days 17 hours 39 mins 3 secs < 1301443402 884296 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need /whois SimonRC SimonRC to get it < 1301443675 961652 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/ge1je/pick_a_random_number_between_1_and_1000_double_it/ XD < 1301443864 290078 :aloril_!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301443994 952561 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301444064 668349 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT : < 1301444946 961433 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301445606 500365 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301445696 277768 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301445745 691145 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301447023 47244 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301447905 713018 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301448847 535221 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301448876 856300 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301448877 473198 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301448877 675289 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301448938 392088 :augur!~augur@96.231.223.116 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301449957 372967 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you're not cpressey are you? < 1301449958 998868 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1301450015 803828 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1301450022 332312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should learn to /whois first
< 1301450160 613283 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have been a nice twist if you were some kind of Bast worshipper... < 1301450333 770432 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1301450372 997869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastet < 1301450532 869990 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can you confirm or deny whether you and cpressey are secretly Bastet worshippers inventing the concept of esolangs to draw nerds into your esoteric sect? < 1301450563 608150 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. < 1301450573 972846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1301450630 397440 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now that you have finally got rid of atheist elliott, your scheme is coming near to fruition... < 1301450658 741987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still out of the loop on why elliott left < 1301450826 325337 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301451228 500534 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was here today, in some sense of "here". he said things here. < 1301451237 181115 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301451334 714065 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have simply dismissed the whole affair as too complicated for my puny brain to possibly understand. < 1301451984 649705 :StoopidBot!~StoopidBo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301451995 249439 :StoopidBot!~StoopidBo@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301452148 795896 :StoopidBot!~StoopidBo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301452261 275980 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, StoopidBot < 1301452290 695260 :StoopidBot!~StoopidBo@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301452583 271505 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooops < 1301452583 560486 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean to make it join things X-D < 1301452908 893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301453685 939915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1301454134 991731 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301455425 390786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301455442 356527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In AD 2101 < 1301455444 941245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL was beginning < 1301455445 845348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301455693 945339 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my puny brain hurts < 1301455730 753065 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well stop beating it on the table then < 1301455851 930396 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because I'm feeding it JACK and Fluidsynth and Rosegarden again < 1301455876 534011 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No actually < 1301455892 888910 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was because I think I realized what elliott "saying" things in here is < 1301455919 368490 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the JACK etc isn't helping < 1301455966 649704 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to use JACK < 1301455978 538266 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know jack shit < 1301456443 828088 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301457215 176192 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301457457 152784 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrrrrrgh computers are stupid music is stupid i hate everything arrrrrrrrgh < 1301457540 745917 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i recognize those symptoms... < 1301457581 492281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cure: relax and do something else, or nothing at all. < 1301457601 720434 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: cure is alas, temporary) < 1301458417 188272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301458420 600739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:31:32: It was because I think I realized what elliott "saying" things in here is < 1301458427 301022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: YOUR SUSPICIONS ARE IRRELEVANT, MORTAL < 1301458441 216173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw no, cure is to reinvent computing < 1301458543 536504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the symptoms have nothing to do with computing per se. they have to do with doing something when you're really tired and should relax. < 1301458555 291258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they have to do with everything sucking < 1301458563 483214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is to stop them sucking by replacing them < 1301458598 948812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, become zzo38 < 1301458604 607461 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess our worldviews clash at this point. < 1301458640 258340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ITYM "oh, right, I'm wrong I guess" < 1301458642 298882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll get to work on @ right away" < 1301458675 333436 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott -----###
< 1301458685 729623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you see the people i have to deal with. < 1301459503 197559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301459861 477329 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31917308&l=75ffb3329d&id=1055580469 < 1301459951 211962 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301460427 208703 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did laundry. < 1301460494 561280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT < 1301460494 786033 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tried to mop the floor. but only got so far with that. < 1301460556 105028 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow "arrrrrgh mops are stupid water is stupid i hate everything arrrrrrgh" just doesn't ring the same. < 1301460576 42213 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes out more like "it's late. i can finish this tomorrow" < 1301460582 411357 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i see. < 1301460777 78026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel that way about computers < 1301460940 663687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301461263 45291 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-125-144.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: locking myself back into my matrix of solidity. and/or sleeping < 1301462003 219164 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301462221 184673 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301464206 260247 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301464327 130751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301464332 251463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SEQUEL IS UNTENABLE < 1301464334 147299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301464997 484440 :cheater99!~cheater@g224201059.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301465675 25104 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301465675 302914 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1301465675 507286 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1301465956 449223 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-104-21.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=298 < 1301465960 21360 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-104-21.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :teehee < 1301465991 773174 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.231.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301465991 773323 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.231.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301466068 240535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301466072 989898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE REVOLUTION IS MADE OF PLASTIC BOTTLES < 1301466074 637236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO HOBO JUICE < 1301466081 23772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"hobo juice!!!" < 1301466445 425500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301466450 848719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :provide hobo juice thru slot ---> < 1301466466 264639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301467488 258226 :cheater99!~cheater@g224201059.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301467929 365164 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301467933 320550 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301468517 246516 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301468596 390551 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301468740 528276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there USB mode that is directly the UNIX block and stream files? < 1301468757 457625 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301469019 546280 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301469132 958029 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301469624 445783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301469629 722297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know who invented the pipe/fork/exec model? < 1301469634 554057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to hunt them down and kill them. < 1301469730 448825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1301470793 531098 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301471099 923281 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.231.119 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301471106 919259 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.231.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301471106 919396 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.231.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301471159 390121 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: What about S Q L? < 1301471182 193316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2 is a harmless bot, it don't know what it sayin. < 1301471186 965394 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.231.119 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301471195 865933 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.231.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301471195 866080 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.231.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301471244 384981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1301471463 738320 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.231.119 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301471491 964286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301471768 844399 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301471768 844535 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301471776 132965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301471779 367300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a test < 1301471791 525367 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301471798 812365 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301471798 812479 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301471804 347290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301471864 41556 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is < 1301471943 402427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this? < 1301471944 236193 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301472009 821629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, a random crash :/ < 1301472015 302550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301472018 440682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it didn't like all my pings < 1301472020 318892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't explain < 1301472023 102348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301472104 633885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just stopped :/ < 1301472268 634817 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129223.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301473651 371576 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: The Tao that can be spoken of is not the Tao. < 1301474839 537483 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131095.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301474928 777798 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129223.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301478060 219167 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301478093 52927 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301478900 192328 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301478926 221926 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301479215 129134 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301479529 935421 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301479714 887007 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Client Quit < 1301479732 878922 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301480020 713544 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301480075 464607 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301480135 236053 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Client Quit < 1301480718 326183 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131095.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301481862 791220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301482030 508917 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric > 1301484602 271861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301484602 290153 :glogbot!~glogbot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301484712 560291 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301484852 832246 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301484928 344737 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301484966 471180 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301484966 489146 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301484966 489270 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301484984 936567 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301485088 451073 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301485088 615286 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1301486179 341521 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301487809 646008 :cheater99!~cheater@g224202104.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301489705 340120 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301490167 823450 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301490261 569476 :cheater00!~cheater@e181135148.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301490378 176622 :cheater99!~cheater@g224202104.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301490650 889512 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301490726 315022 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301490984 177070 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301492207 201443 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301494443 585240 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301494490 324975 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301494543 261903 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was at google yesterday and there was this russian dude trying to recruit me. he said i can come do the interview using any programming language, even brainfuck. < 1301494570 202253 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should like, use befunge < 1301494598 230150 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301495197 901137 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2L < 1301495199 14498 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK < 1301495199 941884 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass < 1301495203 861386 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- no bias < 1301495488 387830 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301495496 185355 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this job is what i started my career for < 1301495614 858253 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only coworker is a hot, prominent, supermodel. the office is right in the center of the city in the historical area, and is huge. the desk i am sitting at is bound with exotic leather. < 1301495628 89955 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i get free food < 1301495642 377465 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bound" as in "with bindings" as in "I'm strapped into it and raped every day"? < 1301495666 312837 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no as in the surface of it used to be a crocodile < 1301495691 668530 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and wacom tablets actually make very good monitors for mac pro's it would seem < 1301495697 286173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301495701 776408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1301495712 586188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slammed my finger in a door. < 1301495722 46992 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it broken? < 1301495729 187819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like i am floating on an ocean of pain < 1301495736 251457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by my finger < 1301495743 339934 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok quickly get some bandaid and wrap it tight < 1301495747 976307 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to stop the swelling < 1301495759 810593 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then go to the doc right away < 1301496090 496758 :jack___!~jack@host-150-203.consiagnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1301496123 842852 :jack___!~jack@host-150-203.consiagnet.it NICK :Jackoz < 1301496260 588354 :Jackoz!~jack@host-150-203.consiagnet.it PART :#esoteric < 1301496437 186644 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that was fascinating. < 1301497615 540683 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-104-21.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301497649 878526 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301497676 709278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah! < 1301497696 230885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Que Slereah Slereah...) < 1301497919 114738 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a horribly minced song :( < 1301497948 551550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFG, someone on Reddit suggested making a film with Will Ferrell playing Columbus. < 1301497951 8594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST IDEA < 1301497984 762677 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-116-66.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301498039 57076 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1301498058 678880 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better idea: zombie Will Ferrell playing zombie Columbus < 1301498061 57159 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a language which interprets zalgo? < 1301498088 430807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1301498111 94102 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: the words "Que Sera Sera" were based on Italian, but was changed to be Spanish-like to be more familiar. However, it isn't grammatically correct in Spanish and requires a tense change and some other words. However, if you add a word at the start and a comma, then you get a valid French sentence that means what it's supposed to < 1301498149 727322 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301498168 550916 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for romance languages! < 1301498406 62495 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'k, sirrah, sirrah. < 1301499320 497609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus, the Greeks were _insanely_ close to an industrial revolution. < 1301499333 519287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They effectively had calculus, but it was overlooked. < 1301499343 51279 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301499350 388588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT GREEKS WHY COULDN'T I HAVE BEEN IN THE FUTURE < 1301499356 51501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301499375 469909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NO I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR "LOGIC" I WOULD TOTALLY STILL HAVE BEEN BORN) < 1301500218 303272 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31917308&l=75ffb3329d&id=1055580469 <-- VERY IMPORTANT < 1301500387 783487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I'm trying to Harry Hill it, but I'm failing. < 1301500405 338256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, you're an uncultured American and hence have never seen TV Burp. < 1301500435 555968 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Sgeo < 1301500442 777423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1301500462 584613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np6gyUb0E7o < 1301500466 292393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATCH AND BE AMAZED < 1301500471 724095 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No videos at schwork. < 1301500476 199933 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.31(!!!): 16k+4k to Australia, 2M(!!!)+20x64k to China, 256k+4x64k to Indonesia, 1k to Japan, 1M to South Korea, 1k to Malaysia, 128k+64k to Singapore, 16k+8k to Vietnam. < 1301500476 935259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO < 1301500490 313113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, YOU WATCH IT < 1301500498 593755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In class? < 1301500500 644185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey TOO < 1301500518 966929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WAIT IT'S LIKE ELEVEN IN AMERICA O'CLOCK < 1301500544 884332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :America O'Clock. I liek it < 1301500593 423503 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: True fact: The Greeks were the first to invent the Device. < 1301500613 701712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, YOU KNOW TOO MUCH < 1301500625 565631 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301500627 814378 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I can watch videos at work, but, as a general rule, I don't. < 1301500639 776411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THIS IS HARRY HILL < 1301500643 547825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASK ELLIOTT < 1301500646 222777 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm perfectly allowed to, but my desktop here has no speakers or headphones :P < 1301500649 931643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE WILL AGREE < 1301500656 53103 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your sheer level of excitement makes me suspicious < 1301500677 897712 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimate for APNIC depletion jumped to Tuesday 12th April. < 1301500731 36963 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301500778 26074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, don't worry, it's totally not a front for the Device. < 1301500859 208562 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.429 blocks for March. There's still 1 day to go. < 1301501188 618832 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Average allocation rate during last 25 business days: About 2 million addresses per day. < 1301501423 367206 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping for April 15th; first RIR depletion would be a nice birthday present. < 1301501464 622839 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301501789 726608 :cheater-!~cheater@e181129102.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301501844 416795 :cheater00!~cheater@e181135148.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301501878 284556 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :327936 addresses left of second to last (normally allocated) /8. < 1301501887 323478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just remembered that the Greeks also had the beginnings of electricity, robotics and steam power as well. < 1301501926 567077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301501959 77338 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was of course before they ascended to a higher plane of existence, leaving behind fragmentary artifacts of their civilization. < 1301501985 185843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was before it all fell to pieces in an entirely mundane and depressing fashion. < 1301502004 851265 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, they too were locked in their matrix of solidity. < 1301502011 579139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...XD < 1301502022 755665 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :supermodel has model friend over and she's looking me over. < 1301502042 401156 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of civilization falling to pieces < 1301502050 766438 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301502054 472305 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why would she hire someone who looks like a Toad? Yukk!" < 1301502059 473678 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Internal monologue) < 1301502070 807697 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"will he turn into a prince?" < 1301502077 285118 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those 320k addresses should be gone tomorrow (APNIC being down to its final normal /8). < 1301502091 721235 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an abnormal /8 < 1301502095 638136 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Wrong kind of toad. I said "Toad", as in the species from the Mario universe :P < 1301502126 855866 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know them as Mushroom Retainers. I don't know where I picked up that nomenclature. Somewhere before it was standardized, I guess. < 1301502164 890827 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, at least one thing thinks that's the official name: http://www.mariowiki.com/Mushroom_Retainer < 1301502167 671885 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: lol < 1301502169 769216 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Toad species is effectively the happy Mario borg. They act as one. There is only one Toad and only one Toadette, and yet they are a species. < 1301502290 464945 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly she is the stylist of some important actress. < 1301502393 922262 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are important actresses? < 1301502403 758028 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, entertainment industry burn! < 1301502408 583704 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, hence paradox < 1301502451 637990 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301502696 235060 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.59 blocks this week (and only on day 3 out of 5). < 1301502729 580203 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: is there an abnormal /8? < 1301502768 444414 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is 103/8 (no allocations there yet), which is allocated using special rules. < 1301502784 921341 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what special rules and why? < 1301502838 186037 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, 1k addresses per registrant. < 1301503054 247102 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIPE has that additional special rule for their last /8 that you can only get an allocation from it if you already have a IPv6 allocation from a RIPE LIR. < 1301503060 547506 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC doesn't have that one. < 1301503157 814162 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301503163 403067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, has the connection dropped? < 1301503164 410327 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing < 1301503166 550843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301503184 450442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301503233 251139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → outside
< 1301503651 326601 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: why? < 1301503663 73129 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1301504073 19417 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll bbl < 1301504077 92658 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bb < 1301504086 558595 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301504388 788982 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301504669 206864 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MUST MAKE LIBC.SO MINE < 1301504672 88188 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foams at the mouth) < 1301504992 623631 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301505529 679456 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301506487 336665 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM) Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS. < 1301506490 311848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :339) * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM) Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS. < 1301507632 850609 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301507632 905049 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301507632 905190 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301507748 995632 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301507749 156816 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1301507825 439713 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status? < 1301508077 193768 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME. < 1301508085 902982 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status? Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME. < 1301508086 830657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :340) addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status? Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME. < 1301508432 50848 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/kw6Rrspw <-- ##javascript is hell. < 1301508588 727794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301508931 394659 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301509105 355376 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301509737 868493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing < 1301509738 424732 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the soundtrack was pretty fnord to me. is there any other stupid questions he marked you down for? :d < 1301509745 29296 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite intriguing indeed. < 1301509748 622168 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301509774 65909 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing < 1301509774 435944 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you in an aware state when the only hammer you have is for variable assignation and blocks < 1301509774 816693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :341) Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing < 1301509806 189015 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: probably not. < 1301509806 562059 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well... i'm there at once to understand what's wrong with a generally accepted set of morals just defeats the point < 1301509835 173680 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the real point is THERE ARE NO MORALS < 1301509939 976351 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you for adding that gem < 1301510026 614794 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we aim to please < 1301510036 439962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU AIM TOO, PLEASE < 1301510053 653875 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seen on public toilet) < 1301510365 774402 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301510485 657582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301510509 375505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1301510535 93923 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301510775 724730 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to write some graffiti in Haskell somewhere < 1301510853 573535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301510914 954222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301510922 53397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: make it revolutionary haskell graffiti < 1301510930 246744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIX SOCIETY = SOCIETY $ FIX SOCIETY < 1301510932 877117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301511056 547210 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it revolutionary haskell uses all caps for function variables < 1301511073 594855 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it use for constructors? < 1301511317 964869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301511319 895552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cursive < 1301511322 220984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301511478 274990 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{:, @, *, <, >, /, \} < 1301511501 132575 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{/, \} are tricky, the rest are trivial < 1301511562 68190 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{:, @, *} are their own inverses. < and > are inverses, as are / and \ < 1301511700 772001 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're right oerjan -- they mainly don't commute with each other -- that's what makes them "productive" as commands, I guess :) < 1301511752 617077 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but i don't have a good way to halt yet :/ < 1301512348 567980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301512858 896721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301512861 194783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're a cheapskate. < 1301512885 629772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are too fool to be cool < 1301512920 551766 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i'm a bit mean < 1301512942 5852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a pool table < 1301512958 448938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bidding for 8 Papyri beginning 3/15 < 1301512958 775527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :---------- < 1301512958 793615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 Murphy < 1301512958 793780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] 12 Oerjan < 1301512958 793905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 Oerjan < 1301512958 940643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 Oerjan < 1301512962 903477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 Oerjan < 1301512964 874880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 Oerjan < 1301512966 852006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 Oerjan < 1301512968 656171 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can I swim in it? < 1301512968 821178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cheapskate < 1301512978 399083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cursive? not *re*cursive? :D < 1301512986 980512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: COCURSIVE < 1301513011 291707 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's not a table pool, it's a table that has to do with pools. < 1301513017 702543 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn compounds man < 1301513039 370026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose pool table could also mean a table pool < 1301513042 593545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301513043 192746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your eye of looking < 1301513047 825658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://pastebin.com/kw6Rrspw <-- ##javascript is hell. < 1301513051 269553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR THIS IS THE BORK < 1301513129 451723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → food
< 1301513450 925316 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't that be, like, Phantom_Hoover ← food? < 1301513473 531396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :food = PhantomHoover < 1301513476 541940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do PhantomHoover <- food < 1301513549 47440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: can you tell me what the point of yoob is i haven't been able to figure it out :D < 1301513622 943092 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1301513629 677121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :< < 1301513652 628913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's an esointerpreter, what more is needed? < 1301513658 572749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's esco :D < 1301513792 206687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chews on Phantom_Hoover
< 1301513799 814033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, crunchy inside < 1301513918 853023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301514097 541470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait *= return PhantomHoover < 1301514128 431528 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301514145 1412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how did you not know Anemocrats = a subset of UNDEAD members? < 1301514150 241127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure if it's a /proper/ subset) < 1301514179 473319 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's their finance policy, is what i want to know < 1301514217 100137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know next to nothing about UNDEAD < 1301514228 351839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't logread Agora :) < 1301514229 447294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does anyone else, but at least I know /that/ < 1301514240 676175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL SORRY, MASTER OF UNDEAD INFO :D < 1301514291 151443 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://www.reddit.com/r/trees < 1301514316 249257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I learnt recently that the creator of LoseThos was banned from /r/LoseThos on Reddit < 1301514321 988028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is a little hilarious < 1301514325 970367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he was banned from reddit entirely < 1301514330 449112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's back under a new name < 1301514332 574898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301514343 377830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: looks like /r/losethos was banned itself < 1301514346 559050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite different < 1301514352 210431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301514365 28362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly because all its admins had been banned? < 1301514368 694714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the one user? < 1301514433 473315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quite possibly, but you can have a subreddit without admins < 1301514443 401520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mods, rather < 1301514457 337100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"James. Simple compilers are easy, professional are hard. Why make an OS at all by that logic? Change the language because immitation is doomed from the start. I have if statements like this: < 1301514457 355182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (1<=i<=10) {" < 1301514508 264413 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> so's esco :D <-- so, because there are already implementations of esolangs, there is no point to implementing those esolangs -- is this what you're saying? < 1301514519 766247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no, that was a joke < 1301514532 493 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what don't you get about yoob? < 1301514534 279255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing against yoob, i'm just trying to figure out why you subjected yourself to java :) < 1301514547 702840 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was either that or javascript or flash < 1301514557 528080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least js has scheme roots ;D < 1301514565 487609 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301514584 676686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: writing in Java's like writing in asm < 1301514596 265256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't bad, it just takes ages and is unnecessarily verbose and boilerplaty < 1301514603 903242 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1301514609 445736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, but you can do fun tricks with asm :) < 1301514639 8698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: anyway NOT STRICTLY TRUE you could also have used: Python < 1301514639 569816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pyjs.org/ < 1301514652 506843 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use Python on the JVM too < 1301514666 221630 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to use Python though < 1301514672 150591 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that all day every day < 1301514683 911481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was also a: joke < 1301514697 295453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID I EVER GO INTO IRC STANDUP < 1301514705 317428 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python's no joke < 1301514729 993715 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: D'aww, it was there before :( < 1301514733 843099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: then why am I laughing? < 1301514750 225209 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/c things can be funny even when they aren't jokes < 1301514752 509601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, zuh? < 1301514776 762055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you should integrate shiro into it by using LambdaVM, that would be painless and fun < 1301514778 414889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and worthwhile < 1301514798 798946 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301514841 252370 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should tell me what to do, you have good ideas < 1301514846 809659 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (1<=i<=10) {" <-- python does that... < 1301514853 270368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IT'S INNOVATIVE < 1301514860 769857 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301514871 133785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he goes on about not making C optimised because it should be close to asm, so I guess "1<=i<=10" is closer to asm than "1<=i && i<=10" :D < 1301514882 839632 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well python was innovative when it stole it from math, of course < 1301514884 803460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I know right? < 1301514895 280275 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1301514897 282066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you respond to the accusations of you being a cheapskate? < 1301514907 746970 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like Gregor, is just that awesome < 1301514930 47715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i sense this slight hint of sarcasm < 1301514939 995758 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i do not recall the details of that event, i may very well not have had more to bid < 1301514941 478995 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 340 < 1301514944 487586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :340) addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status? Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME. < 1301514971 86412 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 339 < 1301514972 305271 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :339) * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM) Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS. < 1301515015 480095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so how did nyuszika7h react :P < 1301515022 246583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you bid slightly higher after that, but only slightly :D < 1301515022 660055 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't :P < 1301515030 962798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never even heard of IRC# < 1301515039 549586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whoooooosh < 1301515042 968270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is that VERSION response genuine? < 1301515047 943959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh < 1301515054 379641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: golly, quite the breeze here < 1301515075 936268 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS < 1301515085 133884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I insist on telling you you are a sleep walking zombie." --Mr. LoseThos < 1301515088 293365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :second-best sentence < 1301515105 776712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can I just tell you that you are a sleep walking zombie" "Oh, you don't have to!" "I insist!" < 1301515114 762656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote unto < 1301515116 220428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :136) like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English alise: that's great filler ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language... < 1301515122 342132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better sentence < 1301515124 296523 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any new esolangs lately that introduce a completely new paradigm? i.e. the social network language? < 1301515128 408451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, third-best then < 1301515134 651988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: the... social network language? < 1301515143 120161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: there's Feather :-D < 1301515163 91570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Feather's just OO done right < 1301515165 544966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a new paradigm < 1301515188 56926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you _thought_ Feather was OO done right < 1301515191 649365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: for certain insane values of "right") < 1301515196 988108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm fairly sure it ended up actually being not OO at all :) < 1301515206 227790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my version is < 1301515208 321948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if yours isn't < 1301515211 875931 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say 'for certain excessively-dimensional values of "right"' < 1301515213 424092 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, at some point feather will have been oo done right all along < 1301515215 90027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sufficiently different < 1301515231 836936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: indeed! < 1301515232 104166 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey - it is not OO - it is PO now: Person(al) Oriented language < 1301515274 679419 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PO languages have relationships < 1301515274 844289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: wat < 1301515286 105448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: this sounds terrible < 1301515292 217671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think rapido's trying to invent a new paradigm < 1301515297 651571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who cares if it's terrible < 1301515299 69744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i'm commenting on it :D < 1301515306 185067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you don't know that that isn't a compliment. < 1301515308 872295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is definitely the right channel for terrible paradigms < 1301515317 371554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please calculate 2+2" "Sorry, I have a headache" < 1301515335 646733 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, some expressions are feminine < 1301515336 473842 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eesh, C++ < 1301515354 305662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you can use an object, you have to move it along your code for a sufficiently long time so it starts trusting you < 1301515360 768559 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY NOT RELEVANT TO PRESENT CONVERSATION < 1301515362 992924 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :send it as arguments to functions and stuff < 1301515373 275669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: C++ is the best < 1301515378 269153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BEST. < 1301515384 291184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by which I mean, the worst) < 1301515392 793100 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one cares what you think < 1301515403 209243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true, i do! < 1301515405 50701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hey C++ is person oriented, it annoys everyone! < 1301515405 180450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes. < 1301515407 644346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then of course it might get jealous if you start calling the members of another object < 1301515438 455353 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gets very jealous if you break the encapsulation of another object < 1301515438 939473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you forget to use encapsulation you might get a sexfault < 1301515485 892528 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok - you guys are *much* better at PO than I am - how do I learn this new language? < 1301515492 946664 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a course? < 1301515510 981252 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301515529 993029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very good at objectifying people < 1301515677 602341 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301515826 72493 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eating too much, apparently < 1301515848 643953 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eating too much ... PERSON? < 1301515957 518245 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, this PO stuff is boring < 1301516000 171019 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a tumble oriented language? digital stuff gets tumbled around until something falls out of the tumble < 1301516007 771017 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301516007 788983 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301516007 789112 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301516013 346546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suppose your nick is rapide because of your short attention span < 1301516031 265743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rspfpi < 1301516084 934206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: so all kinds of random stuff happens? < 1301516101 808162 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually < 1301516127 5349 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine the idea would be to build the right kind of filter to prevent everything except what you want to happen, from happening < 1301516133 118488 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, i've had that idea before < 1301516285 794981 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not random - at least it should be repeatable < 1301516343 775857 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SHALL GRIND MY SHEEP TO MAKE MY DOUGHNUTS < 1301516344 295672 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you tumble long enough the 'result' will eventually fall out of the tumble < 1301516355 397704 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how about, there's this infinite binary tape for memory and a tape head, the +- operation puts random stuff under the head, the <> operation moves the head to a random direction, . and , do something random and [...] executes a random program until the current cell is a random number < 1301516417 843196 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: PROLOG? < 1301516427 759576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that got to do with prolog? < 1301516430 882072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess maybe < 1301516438 634657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's basically how Proud works < 1301516444 503496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except Proud is uncomputable because of it < 1301516448 594748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because of things like comparing functions < 1301516458 657573 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue might be a better comparison < 1301516465 839161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed < 1301516475 585149 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Strelnokoff if you like imperative programming < 1301516482 626398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at his old indentation style
< 1301516496 345593 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that sometimes too < 1301516509 597785 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye - my baby girl is crying - will be back later....... < 1301516539 91116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.. indentation style is thi? http://pastie.org/1736638 < 1301516568 610591 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i hate you, future maintainer of this program" indentation style < 1301516576 793240 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Poor" < 1301516604 945810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, fortunately for me, after writing it, I never touched it again < 1301516635 670699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that style < 1301516639 284063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually a real style < 1301516639 998022 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I SHALL GRIND MY SHEEP TO MAKE MY DOUGHNUTS <-- i think your recipe may have some typos < 1301516651 414424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a lot of (crazy) people swear by < 1301516671 55395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#Banner_style < 1301516674 965931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm not even consistent with it, apparently < 1301516689 972334 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nope. < 1301516690 896095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that's someone else's code that I took for mine < 1301516713 559158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows whitesmiths is the best < 1301516720 23100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (awesome) < 1301516720 744778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1301516722 586687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : so awesome!!! < 1301516723 412456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1301516742 738959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tell the children about YOUR very own indentation style < 1301516744 875861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301516764 305229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (x) { < 1301516765 310830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : y; < 1301516766 809479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : z; } < 1301516773 376134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, I only use that one when trying to annoy people < 1301516785 181854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be better as < 1301516786 160464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (x) < 1301516787 128586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the closing }s stack if there are many in a row < 1301516788 800588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ y; < 1301516789 950251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : z < 1301516790 797322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1301516797 882189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, then it wouldn't make logical sense < 1301516802 307735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! < 1301516894 951169 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't that what the article calls Lisp-style? < 1301516906 203988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trailing-{ trailing-} thing is entirely logical, just unusual < 1301516920 326380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/COeP < 1301516922 358678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1301516967 654559 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :style is a personal thing < 1301516984 551332 :rapido!~rapido@85.223.41.98 QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1301516986 196399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no, I think that style is pretty much objectively perfect < 1301516996 596160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe putting all braces of any kind at column 80 < 1301516999 555906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no blank lines < 1301517006 209511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll look just like Python with pseudorandom margin contents < 1301517029 498232 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : it'll look just like Python with pseudorandom margin contents <--- yessssssssss < 1301517044 747777 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :objective perfection is a personal thing < 1301517064 653606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE apart from the fact that everything is subjective < 1301517065 922510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's objective. < 1301517094 770967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301517115 100293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DCIC < 1301517117 402365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: omg it's so beautiful < 1301517118 551063 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i read that as everything is surjective < 1301517128 987009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1301517141 667324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301517143 27135 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: abort(); }} <-- I disagree with this line. < 1301517148 617948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHY < 1301517149 923424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S PERFECT < 1301517153 208015 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you choose your codomains carefully < 1301517156 934292 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There should be one more space. < 1301517173 155341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But then it'd overflow (if I hadn't gone off-by-one and accidentally left a tree column) < 1301517180 699865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah okay. < 1301517188 971197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means that if you nest too deeply, all your {}s get pushed too far to the left. < 1301517194 442944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the massive } stack needing spaces. < 1301517195 757113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301517223 981050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's actually quite nice, except it's so hard to visually check that the indentation and {/} correspond < 1301517232 991967 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Better than pushing them into the code :P < 1301517250 408961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just leave it up to trust! < 1301517258 523362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's the thing, it WOULD. < 1301517265 58240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had a long enough } stack, and wanted to avoid getting past column 80, < 1301517271 676225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the {s would have to be aligned with the fisrt } in the } stack. < 1301517274 957011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know someone would get it wrong while trying to edit an existing program < 1301517275 613450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's long, they'd go leftwards. < 1301517279 767459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might even collide with your code! < 1301517287 221296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: LET'S MAKE EMACS DO IT AUTOMATICALLY < 1301517288 607421 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh dear < 1301517309 361933 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :text files < 1301517324 869828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes. < 1301517333 78063 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WASn"T A QUESTION < 1301517367 356252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: IT WAS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1301517400 904535 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301517471 281473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just monologued in an atheist channel about looking for God. < 1301517512 983743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic Sgeo, that is. < 1301517548 913975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: welcome to Christianity, brother! < 1301517567 175130 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Christianity/esotericism/ < 1301517572 364758 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR ARE YOU LOCKED IN A MATRIX OF SOLIDITY? < 1301517577 99433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Sgeo hasn't converted to anything, has he? < 1301517577 980286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE IS < 1301517581 265127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I HOPE SO < 1301517603 637591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW THAT HE IS FREED OF THE MATRIX OF SOLIDITY WE CAN MOCK HIM IN SO MANY OTHER WAYS < 1301517610 355300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, did you find God? < 1301517620 785287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, did you look *everywhere*? < 1301517624 899122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I wrote tests for God a while back, but they kind of require God to intimately understand computer technology. < 1301517624 917231 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's always in the last place you look < 1301517640 330540 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to lessen it so that God just needs to be able to read, and have a bit better vision < 1301517646 300108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god Sgeo is the second LoseThos guy. < 1301517667 384565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, isn < 1301517668 276010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I thought you already disproved the existence of God with Prolog. < 1301517672 612014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What more is there to do?! < 1301517699 631742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, only an all-powerful all-good God.. for some definitions of all-powerful and all-good, come to think of it. < 1301517701 550515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1301517708 956746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301517713 158968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I included all-knowing in that mix < 1301517720 260203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, YOU DIDN'T EVEN USE EDINBURGH PROLOG < 1301517727 668225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 100 years people will be laughing at the thought of there even being a way to express such meaningless things as "god" in natural language. of course i suppose they would have to laugh alone. < 1301517850 447783 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301517887 778078 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 100 years natural language will evolve static checking capabilities that prevents it from expressing any meaningless idea < 1301517898 168066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, most meaningful ones < 1301517901 534827 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301517931 89150 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doubleplus good! < 1301518038 40571 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301518179 896014 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.114.14.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301518181 784267 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.114.14.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1301518201 937403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lo :-( < 1301518235 891397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Med :-| < 1301518306 628406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Medic! :WQ < 1301518390 856637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack! @ < 1301518418 684402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told someone claiming that MC was aimless and crap that I would care about his opinions when he finished Nethack. < 1301518421 394336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He took the bait. < 1301518429 916889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kind of. < 1301518444 793091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :REDDIT < 1301518447 878467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y U NO UP? < 1301518476 463380 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you then trap him in a wormhole? < 1301518487 465167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, PERHAPS < 1301518521 62287 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then embed the wormhole in a tesseract, then plunge the tesseract into the heart of the sun? Because that's what I would have done. < 1301518544 776176 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All while listening to a Rush album. Although I can't decide which one right now. < 1301518571 323530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those poor roasted worms < 1301518699 833131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rush? < 1301518735 135315 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301518749 866770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you recommend this as the music of choice for scientific megalomania? < 1301518772 900581 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff, no. < 1301518773 644614 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301518780 310105 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized that what I was saying had no real scientific consistency, so prog rock seemed somehow appropriate. < 1301518781 607099 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if you plunge a wormhole into the sun, you really want to be careful where you put the other end. just saying. < 1301518784 14106 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Megalomania needs Mussorgski. < 1301518786 52200 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let Gregor scoff as he may. < 1301518797 228133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Gregor. < 1301518810 829362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Mussorgsky < 1301518834 110919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his exhibitionist pictures < 1301518914 284187 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wouldn't that essentially end up splitting the sun in two... < 1301518938 946919 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no. The tesseract would prevent that. < 1301518943 898250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1301518946 676022 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. < 1301518958 202454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was speaking about wormholes in general, though. < 1301518969 132479 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.114.14.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit seems to be playing up here :-( < 1301518985 899967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm wouldn't that essentially end up splitting the sun in two... < 1301518994 892927 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fine a while ago < 1301519003 783362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say it wouldn't but on second thoughts it actually would. < 1301519009 156037 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is this the Elastic Breakage Store doing its thing again? < 1301519050 144130 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it might take quite a while to reach balance, though, dependent on how fast the gas could push through the hole... < 1301519066 520770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes... < 1301519077 555183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how does gravity actually work in a wormhole? < 1301519077 800763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe the gas rushing out would be so fast it actually escaped... < 1301519092 812924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises he has strayed into general relativity country.
< 1301519102 227959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away fast before the tensors get him.
< 1301519110 956141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301519120 30607 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hm that is an interesting question, would the other end attract its surroundings with the full force of the sun or not... < 1301519156 128757 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if _not_, then it would increase the chance of the gas escaping, i should think < 1301519171 546995 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, uh < 1301519179 881634 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i shouldn't even start. < 1301519224 375284 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ↶ laundry
< 1301519230 694306 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I'm at work < 1301519244 12846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Would you recommend this as the music of choice for scientific megalomania? <-- indeed, Also Sprach Zarathustra should be the thing < 1301519244 200181 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ↶ some kind of actual work
< 1301519246 541980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v-\ < 1301519255 458215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wait, you... work... at work? I don't understand this < 1301519272 3660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet told me work was where you visited the SFW parts of the internet! < 1301519456 140478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts imagining a porn star being scolded for visiting inappropriate internet sites at work
< 1301519473 184965 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.114.14.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott: are you still working on the Forth? < 1301519488 679887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to Mussorgsky
< 1301519498 216919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: not really, with the amount of bytes it was taking up I seriously doubt I could have fit it in to the number of bytes I had < 1301519508 252042 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING PORN, NOT THESE RAGE COMICS < 1301519531 935910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "What's this?... KITTENS?" < 1301519535 80422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're fired." < 1301519731 114604 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No sir, those are rabbits." "Oh, OK then." < 1301519844 293879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell does Reddit calculate post scores. < 1301519859 691850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not upvotes - downvotes. < 1301519904 74156 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the sorting option, i think < 1301519932 966224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the displayed scores _are_ supposed to be upvotes - downvotes. < 1301519969 74933 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the displayed upvotes and downvotes are fudged for spammer confusing reasons < 1301520013 585430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they don't want sockpuppet voters to know if their voting was detected as spam or not) < 1301520059 690767 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference between upvotes and downvotes is supposedly kept correct, however. < 1301520236 203827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [[Go through the entire game with your starting equipment. This is a difficult task, due to the fact that you cannot use any rings, amulets, weapons, spellbooks, or items other than the ones with which you started. This is nearly impossible for the Tourist, due to the class's nature of buying items to start. < 1301520236 367006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceptions are allowed for the Amulet of Yendor, the Bell of Opening, and any of the items absolutely necessary to retrieve the Amulet of Yendor or the quest artifact that you earn through the quest. --Edrobot]] < 1301520240 430858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SOUNDS EASY < 1301520247 843855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, yes, wrong channel, it's only three lines) < 1301520253 546719 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result for most popular posts the fraction of displayed upvotes is always close to 2/3. < 1301520256 52775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that the Stupid Ascension Tricks list? < 1301520264 536251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, [[Unofficial conduct]] < 1301520266 886402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301520268 486133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suspect the poster is mad < 1301520289 12028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^ < 1301520289 379172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible but very difficult, as it means you're going without reflection or MR, possibly both < 1301520305 5567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, REDDIT YOU SO CRAZY < 1301520338 674284 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301520368 417007 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like elliott's back < 1301520374 902681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: shhh < 1301520377 345645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, i'm here to bother oerjan < 1301520383 203673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also to test the logbot < 1301520399 546897 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301520455 778546 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301520457 164914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_navigation < 1301520462 691356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel conned by the name. < 1301520479 737545 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: clearly in his heart he doesn't want to stay away, but if we remind him he might stubbornly resist... < 1301520498 973988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'M RIGHT HERE < 1301520499 585031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AUM) < 1301520518 890191 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you've already been reminded < 1301520542 533790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, i'm only here right now because of ch2 :P < 1301520547 337738 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301520553 80150 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YOU SAY < 1301520578 600524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hmm, which Mussorgsky would you recommend for SCIENCE? < 1301520589 891389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that ch2 isn't actually _here_... < 1301520590 867445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in Pictures At An Exhibition really fits, IIRC. < 1301520612 861805 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Sprach Zarathustra, i said! < 1301520644 908175 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting afraid w.r.t libc.so D-8 < 1301520648 398230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not by Mussorgsky, you fool! < 1301520653 430904 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's up to $180 already D-8 < 1301520706 341611 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301520708 375722 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it sounds like a brand of herbal tea < 1301520710 967254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SO? < 1301520730 98911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, YOU CANADIANS AND YOUR HERBAL TEA < 1301520730 716710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i note that ch2 isn't actually _here_... < 1301520734 692998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has a bug that i'm busy staring at < 1301520753 40361 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301520770 269985 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs suck < 1301520771 888344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :server_read_line is ugly :( < 1301520788 714136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/geq88/ok_so_most_of_you_dont_like_microsoft_what_could/ < 1301520796 847765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK EVERYONE < 1301520842 598093 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i clicking your link why why < 1301520842 828498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not loading for me, what's the rest of the question? < 1301520848 880504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the only reason I clicked hte link) < 1301520858 777257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what could they do to make you like them < 1301520859 633795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "OK so most of you don't like Microsoft. What could Microsoft do for you to change your mind and make you like them?" < 1301520904 855298 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301520931 662561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a copy of Windows 8 Beta, that's what < 1301520932 625696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301520948 110231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1301520955 926959 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After much consideration: nothing < 1301520960 566588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: see Gregor < 1301520969 272070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, but I don't see the draw. < 1301520980 4871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoooooooosh < 1301520980 266255 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the draw is that Gregor is awesome < 1301520981 188565 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that they've lost our trust. Everything they do is so suspicious that it's impossible for them to dig themselves out. < 1301520990 188097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hmm, what if they stopped retarding OS design and actually, like, made @? < 1301520999 728620 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SPEAK ENGLISH < 1301521008 261745 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought you said "stopped' elliott: OH BURN < 1301521009 89638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...You don't know of @? < 1301521018 332393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ < 1301521018 881646 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW IT'S AN AT SYMBOL < 1301521020 962702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ @ @ @ @ < 1301521023 511967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ @ < 1301521028 578380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ TECHNOLOGY @ < 1301521031 41748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@ < 1301521044 812018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1301521046 705528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301521058 301002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: dynamic meta-reflexive hyperspatial self-modifying recursive system @!!! < 1301521070 888641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWISTY PERSISTY RECURSIVE SYSTEM @ < 1301521089 342981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :english enough for you? < 1301521111 351707 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :system @, recommended by cousin itt < 1301521138 543605 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another #esoteric in-vaporware, I assume? < 1301521147 180814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: >_> < 1301521152 804500 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in-vaporware in analogy with in-joke < 1301521168 766592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @ is a macro in the English language that expands to the (as of yet unknown) final name of what is sometimes referred to as ElliottOS. < 1301521186 311742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pronounced in the same way that the (as of yet unknown) final name of what is sometimes referred to as ElliottOS is pronounced. < 1301521187 95699 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301521196 733905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH < 1301521273 859487 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEBODY HELP ME THINK I COULD STILL WIN LIBC.SO D-8 < 1301521285 525360 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm FREAKIN' OUT HERE < 1301521325 985847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just put more money in to it, moneybags < 1301521347 117299 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do that, but I'm not sure if putting myself into the poorhouse in the name of a domain name is such a good idea :P < 1301521352 523128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how high has the bidding gone? < 1301521369 245453 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$180, and it's only day three >_> < 1301521381 743325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's worth $180, really < 1301521400 970093 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't donate $180, donate less :P < 1301521403 154861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: $180 is dirt-cheap for a domain name :) < 1301521418 594338 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/domain/vanity domain/ < 1301521422 341241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: After three days when you get bored of it you could sell it for a good amount of money. :P < 1301521443 989921 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only time it will leave my possession is in my last will and testament. < 1301521458 630538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So kind of you to give me it! < 1301521467 74559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is this the price for earning the domain name forever? < 1301521469 119320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL OUTLIVE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE OLD AND I AM LESS OLD < 1301521469 501659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have to rent it? < 1301521472 463330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *owning < 1301521473 502903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1301521477 323337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :owned, I believe < 1301521480 65462 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You pay $10/yr < 1301521484 196660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301521488 970244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you could switch registrar, I think < 1301521495 977636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but $10/yr isn't much :P < 1301521498 334145 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And pay ... $10/yr :P < 1301521510 932797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, yeah. < 1301521634 739078 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301521832 246965 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: executed HLT < 1301521978 681865 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. New word: "comodogate". < 1301523058 379337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:38:48 so here's what I want to do: a shell script that runs under windows .bat interpreter and also under the sh interpreter. All it needs to do is 'echo "1 2 3" > $2' < 1301523058 397493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1301523062 639045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1301524562 33702 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301524628 270515 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301524816 164458 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301525224 667958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi, I found out how complex the health care system in df is. I think saying that there is a skill called "crutch walking" describes the overall complexity fairly well XD < 1301525432 108192 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301525735 973485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301526144 121481 :cheater00!~cheater@g229031195.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301526191 705688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can I prod an underload question at you :D < 1301526309 806532 :cheater-!~cheater@e181129102.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301527498 998838 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-96-163-178.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301528407 108927 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-96-163-178.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoob ( http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html ) can now run brainfuck, Befunge-93, and Ypsilax. < 1301528414 49680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, df is really macabre. Want to hear a combat report? < 1301528480 887056 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-96-163-178.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Vorpal < 1301528484 75205 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-96-163-178.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bye < 1301528485 738259 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-96-163-178.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301528489 220981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301528497 635904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I'll post it anyway. One line from the multi-page report that is... "The Marksdwarf kicks The Panda in the head with his left foot, bruising the muscle, jamming the skull through the brain and tearing the brain!" < 1301528604 542075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure < 1301528613 139328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one sec < 1301528706 296233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb actually < 1301528751 641925 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HOW DARE YOU LEAVE AND WASTE MY TIME < 1301528795 828982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301528891 526841 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301529153 450683 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301529283 522982 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301529337 451459 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301529595 50680 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203099.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301529774 860169 :cheater00!~cheater@g229031195.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301529994 454328 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.114.14.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301530082 58696 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301532379 192678 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they got elliott < 1301533047 100279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God, I'm now talking about statistics, trying to find statistical evidence in my little God tester < 1301533355 547989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What significance level should I use? < 1301533369 458147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/100 sounds safe, I think < 1301533651 556142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1301533659 139705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back now. < 1301533660 836112 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'morning < 1301533673 30945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to see you escaped your horrible fate < 1301533695 220134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only. < 1301533701 333236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the underload question is: < 1301533712 527146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what code X does either (whichever is easiest to implement): < 1301533734 523508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a)(b)(c)1X == (a)(c)(b) and (a)(b)(c)2X == (b)(c)(a) < 1301533741 174038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a number is a smith numeral < 1301533741 337234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1301533751 981989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a)(b)(c))1X == ((a)(c)(b)) and the same for the other < 1301533754 319197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even < 1301533756 992421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a)(c))(b) < 1301533762 47277 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did we call it smith again < 1301533787 265323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := church numerals :D < 1301533790 213707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't really church numerals < 1301533791 201076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1301533793 492045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1301533816 978880 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just forgot if there was a rationale for "smith" specifically < 1301533822 625365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex < 1301533826 945505 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301533834 690316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have said "whytf", i got all confused :D < 1301533846 120019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH < 1301533869 47701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok so you want c in the middle always < 1301533889 777852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er. < 1301533892 139670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's actually just pick < 1301533895 951587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to work for N elements :) < 1301533903 96152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although N can be fixed at "compile time", if it really must be) < 1301533919 742501 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick? don't you mean roll in that case < 1301533935 711529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick as in "pick Nth element out" < 1301533944 625776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where N is TOS < 1301533951 365885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for a switch statement, btw < 1301533953 16481 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pick usually leaves the original element there < 1301533997 762423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in case you have paid any attention my recent programs, i recommend using a (a)(!b)(!!c)(!!!d) structure < 1301534012 206875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would be acceptable. (this is for a basic->underload compiler) < 1301534022 801493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically every line is an element in it < 1301534023 162019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then use (!)n^ < 1301534030 467621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to goto, you get the right code on top < 1301534031 286429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^ < 1301534042 469060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the structure has to be preserved, though < 1301534089 418877 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301534107 664597 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a)(!b)(!!c)(!!!d)) -> ((a)(!b)(!!c)(!!!d))c is just :!^, for example < 1301534111 463606 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1301534121 623870 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :^!^ < 1301534138 170859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301534148 736987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm open to better ideas for goto btw :) < 1301534172 947713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _i've_ been using a lot of state machines < 1301534172 999106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the reason i want it on the stack is for computed goto, so you can implement call as a macro < 1301534181 237859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what this is, essentially < 1301534183 791836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state is the line < 1301534259 519183 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you might want to read how my lookup tables work in the minimization section programs < 1301534266 390303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take a look < 1301534332 870782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rate this page < 1301534332 889005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please take a moment to rate this page." < 1301534335 412413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wikipedia! < 1301534344 111366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 110 automaton also uses a similar idea, although not as clear since it has three sets of simultaneous data < 1301534345 553566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just did it to tick the "I am highly knowledgeable about this topic" box
< 1301534352 439965 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's where i used it first) < 1301534527 193295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it occurs to me that implementing a functional language might be easier :D < 1301534586 65947 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1301534619 525124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, your lookup tables look useful < 1301535140 383758 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301535187 59553 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301535566 101693 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301535805 992542 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301535825 839191 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301535994 586914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic has a knack for getting on proggit < 1301536016 343317 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301536227 548131 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301536248 186072 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301536280 830815 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301536692 457530 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301536765 64029 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301537162 795258 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301537633 449132 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must find people to help me buy libc.so ... < 1301537643 702682 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's the auction going < 1301537664 646781 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effectively not started yet, but at $180 >_> < 1301537695 946526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1301537697 735883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll fucking give you money if it'll shut you up ;D < 1301537704 392547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I demand five emails, since clearly you are needy. < 1301537713 711906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "at $180" do you mean that's how much you're putting in when it starts? < 1301537723 609394 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: At $180 I mean it's at $180 :P < 1301537737 363504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do you mean by "effectively not started yet"? < 1301537740 416301 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s not my $180, I haven't bid anything substantial yet, I'm waiting 'til the auction is a bit more ... "mature" < 1301537743 48681 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in day three. < 1301537778 209308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SNIPE IT < 1301537789 390980 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sniping is not possible. < 1301537795 114697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ohright, you said. < 1301537802 197370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does it have eBay-style maximum bids though? < 1301537809 514837 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as "proxy bidding" < 1301537809 883044 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1301537810 240839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it always show the honest-to-god current top bid? < 1301537819 81211 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy bidding. < 1301537831 735763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1301537840 26206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yer fucked :P < 1301537859 730716 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a chance, though I've moved from "neutral" to "pessimistic" < 1301537924 781644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do OSDev communities always have a significantly stupider population than >_< ... I say this, but actually most online programming communities are even stupider... < 1301537925 527271 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, if it was a corporation, it'd already be quite clear that I'm fekked. < 1301537945 405578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Unless they're a REALLY POOR corporation. < 1301537955 663098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bid as "Gregor INCORPORATED" so everyone else gets scared off! < 1301537963 830186 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably because the stupid people are the ones who say "I'm going to write MY OWN os" < 1301537969 235459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yeah :( < 1301537971 620516 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The auctioning pattern of a corporation in a proxy-bid auction: Bid once. Done. < 1301538002 181594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Compatible with Windows, MAC, and OpenVMS V7.1! < 1301538016 185593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: XD < 1301538050 895014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I wondered for a second why eBay doesn't stop sniping themselves, but then I realised that'd drive everyone away because people are idiots >_> < 1301538078 277304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sniping is still effective, of course, because of LOL PSYCHOLOGY making people willing to pay more as they get outbid.) < 1301538084 782166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effective in a proxy sodfhsdfsd, < 1301538195 166169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, < 1301538195 512337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm new in the world of "Operating Systems" < 1301538195 530714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to learn about programming a Operating System. < 1301538195 530871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you recommend me?" < 1301538210 29107 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't" < 1301538210 585828 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301538238 492275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Writing OS in Assembly (BTW: I'm Crazy)" < 1301538243 22068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...] < 1301538246 111094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phillid (the nut who codes in assembly) :P" < 1301538255 73943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obnoxious but not an idiot, right? < 1301538257 696313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"- How do I have variables in assembly? Do I have to write to memory addresses and use several of them as variables? < 1301538257 860580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- How do I store-up input from the user (using int 0x16) in a variable (or address)? < 1301538258 24482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- How do I perform conditional IF statements? All I have found is '%IF' which is only for the compiler to run." < 1301538259 33977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1301538302 92985 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow < 1301538339 299714 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he obviously thinks of assembly the same way as a higher level language < 1301538354 709252 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say "completely and totally idiotic" but "wholly uninformed" < 1301538361 482806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I wouldn't laugh at someone who has misconceptions (well ok, maybe a little). It's the ego. < 1301538368 522362 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ah, I see. < 1301538379 460804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have such self-admitted ignorance, don't plaster statements about how you're this 1337 asm-coding nutcase on your post :P < 1301538395 270495 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh - I didn't realize it was the same person < 1301538400 302534 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301538405 64781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yep :) < 1301538469 530567 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I teach programming to a lot of people. I've learned long ago that the best way to teach is to get the student to formulate some idea of *how* things work - even its its wrong. I usually ask them how they would do it. They think of something that may or may not work - but is interesting and work from that conception slowly molding it to how things actually work. < 1301538484 548360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm way too impatient to teach :) < 1301538529 549070 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're too impatient even to stay in the channel < 1301538535 526177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kolibri is a small x86 assembler hobby operating system. It forked off MenuetOS in 2004 and has mostly been developed by ex-USSR community since." ;; Who the heck identifies as a "ex-USSR community" if you're formed in 2004... < 1301538546 730177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Vorpal is a taxing man < 1301538555 516160 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lots of people < 1301538563 14939 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolibri.su < 1301538691 766876 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301538910 383900 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with MenuetOS? < 1301538993 538479 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists < 1301540180 223460 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301540456 656526 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301540707 442084 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301540707 442206 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301540886 922511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: DO THAT LOGGING JIG < 1301541159 988996 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301541286 626579 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301541340 763130 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1301541353 584608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1301541365 90695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1301541374 166738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1301541519 278789 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301541520 982274 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301541739 314241 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301542138 431786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: say hi to the bot < 1301542163 811572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi _MERLiN_ < 1301542450 373038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ch2 < 1301542462 627371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2 says hi. < 1301542470 952755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2 is unfortunately too hardcore to reply itself. < 1301542476 421118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has logged your kindness. < 1301542479 60799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1301542488 335244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: SQL SQL SQL < 1301542517 119183 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301542537 392145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you listen carefully you can hear it sqling < 1301542856 963336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....I called _MERLiN_ a bot... < 1301542858 113114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1301543065 233081 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a bot < 1301543087 179952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2 is the bot :P < 1301543095 669800 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301543102 502817 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just AFK watching some TV < 1301543110 367315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome < 1301543115 212476 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1301543123 945704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on the wiki? < 1301543199 589761 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont think so < 1301543207 819090 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what wiki? < 1301543212 962957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric programming language wiki < 1301543215 103535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1301543231 818511 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont think i ever heard of it :P < 1301543258 397399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this channel is about esoteric programming languages like brainfuck and INTERCAL, btw, not any other sense of "esoteric") < 1301543327 832724 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301543334 195508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (this channel is about esoteric programming languages like brainfuck and INTERCAL, btw, not any other sense of "esoteric") < 1301543336 3562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you got disconnected < 1301543343 864755 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got DCed < 1301543356 354984 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301543382 755333 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do SQL, C++, Java, C#, VB.NET, PHP, HTML and CSS < 1301543409 65879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_MERLiN__, now consider learning languages that you would not use on the job. < 1301543419 832845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some of those are certainly...esoteric < 1301543444 71137 :Disconnect1010!~Disconnec@99-98-149-212.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301543462 861886 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301543465 716057 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1301543495 371234 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-197-58.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301543497 127148 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301543504 883973 :_MERLiN__!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com NICK :_MERLiN_ < 1301543505 210807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disconnect1010: hello ... no wait you're not cpressey < 1301543510 615592 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301543513 293965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's sbcglobal.net too though < 1301543513 622387 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats up < 1301543517 499110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sky < 1301543518 648023 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is ok < 1301543525 430918 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that guy ;) < 1301543528 312421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301543562 253966 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats up DC? < 1301543630 683000 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301543632 662191 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1301543642 475828 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you working on elliott < 1301543649 483800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. ch2. < 1301543653 847325 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your so sweet esoteric languages < 1301543661 638545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in an esolang right now. < 1301543682 66543 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1301543691 802919 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I hope that all foes well for you ;) < 1301543942 147737 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301544095 28702 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301545038 304532 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is what #esoteric looks like at 05:16am! < 1301545049 86846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED < 1301545073 254053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed far too late, I'm going to guess that you're getting up far too early. < 1301545080 879050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circle of life! < 1301545117 361285 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only 11:18pm here :P < 1301545145 304325 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301545259 474902 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301545366 239398 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301546583 768444 :Disconnect1010!~Disconnec@99-98-149-212.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301546673 808221 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301547117 125606 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301547380 381558 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301547402 348689 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301547839 410534 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301547956 620011 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301548729 618763 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301549210 425102 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301549295 847068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301549302 490933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301549616 744677 :JaysonKaz!~jaysonm00@180.191.119.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301549679 541068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi JaysonKaz < 1301549680 314599 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301549694 136365 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301549825 624069 :JaysonKaz!~jaysonm00@180.191.119.63 QUIT :Client Quit < 1301550481 573026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone tell me how to compute the probability that an asymmetric 1-D random walk returns to the origin? < 1301550513 489107 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say 73% chance of +1 and 27% of -1 < 1301550586 530273 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just recalls that it's 1 for 50%
< 1301550744 317724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was discussed here before though < 1301551429 166566 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you mean the probability of a random walk "eventually" returning to the origin? < 1301551440 103822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301551470 432300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's strictly less than one, but i confuse myself when i try to compute it < 1301551499 938406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's -4 < 1301551506 8411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1301551511 206716 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott -----###
< 1301551511 390673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just explained @ to someone and now my fingers have died of overexertion @_@ < 1301551513 456656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello elliott. it's late. < 1301551521 872757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes! 7 am! < 1301551527 578715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very late night < 1301551534 169961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you are awake because of the explaining < 1301551565 244110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say: yes, despite the fact that this is a: lie < 1301551618 249020 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: calculate the probability that it ever reaches -1 < 1301551625 680654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your MOM is -1 < 1301551711 964631 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in the same way the probability that it ever reaches 1 < 1301551734 857861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then add the two and divide by love < 1301551752 203570 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use those to calculate the answer < 1301551761 235551 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well close :D < 1301551767 677871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually the probability it reaches -1 is the number i really want < 1301551772 447910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love is the best number imo < 1301551779 527085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: calculate the probability that it ever reaches -2 < 1301551784 270946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in the same way the probability that it ever reaches 0 < 1301551787 563598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use those to calculate the answer < 1301551790 169407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: am i doing it right < 1301551798 872677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh. that's actually simpler than re-reaching the origin. < 1301551811 519114 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1301551814 679713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do? < 1301551816 262010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301551846 669143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'M SORRY THAT WAS FUNNY? < 1301551882 874529 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two ways of reaching -1. either immediately, or going right immediately, and then eventually going left, twice. this should give you an equation which you can solve. < 1301551901 849291 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1301551905 692282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the generality oerjan is approaching this with < 1301551907 881209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter one sounds compicated < 1301551924 67585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First, find the various factors that combine to form the answer to the problem. Then, find the way in which they are combined. This should give you an equation which you can solve." < 1301551931 809165 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, it looks like it has "probability of returning to origin" as a case in it :P < 1301551949 961021 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the probability of "eventually going left" from any point == probability of reaching -1 from 0 < 1301551968 44647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is ignoring me :D < 1301551978 655840 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, but only the case of returning to origin when you already know you are at 1 < 1301551979 594822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's not the same < 1301551987 227796 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that different? < 1301551992 851821 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just as hard < 1301552042 895261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: aka the probability of eventually going left. < 1301552060 996214 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, yes < 1301552069 912011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the probability of getting back to 1 before you do that < 1301552074 203296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp < 1301552135 792236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1301552139 580846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of ways to construct binary strings such that until the last couple of digits, there have been more 1s than 0s so far < 1301552146 268336 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a recursive equation, of course. < 1301552155 277910 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301552163 120273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301552226 424159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :something i could presumably use the Master theorem to solve < 1301552262 586579 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note "recursive" here means the probability is written in terms of itself, there's no actual recursive _function_ involved < 1301552333 630669 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you overcomplicate things < 1301552397 726414 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh aha < 1301552608 263949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the probability of never making it to -1 as 5329/8029 for the above probabilities. look right? < 1301552619 504898 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1301552622 365523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301552626 213029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an impressive probability < 1301552645 110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually expect it to be _rational_. let me see... < 1301552654 113585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1-p where p=.27+.73*p*.27 < 1301552693 433072 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i don't think that's right. < 1301552700 489665 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where'd i mess up < 1301552707 734711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" something i could presumably use the Master theorem to solve" xD < 1301552735 499202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you just want everything to be irrational! < 1301552737 347643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHIUHSDkjgkhfg.hljg < 1301552738 86147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1301552748 982235 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: instead of "eventually going left, twice", you are "eventually going left" once and then immediately going left. < 1301552751 109130 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's 2:25am. feel free to laugh all you want. < 1301552753 828133 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1301552779 387838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no i'm not laughing at you, i'm laughing because *you're stupid* < 1301552780 570329 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1301552782 524589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with you < 1301552790 37748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301552795 348436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: agreed. < 1301552801 839357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote quintopia: no i'm not laughing at you, i'm laughing because *you're stupid* i mean with you < 1301552805 765804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :343) quintopia: no i'm not laughing at you, i'm laughing because *you're stupid* i mean with you < 1301552808 962373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552809 146303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552809 330889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552809 515624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552810 257074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301552810 443340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :291) (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) < 1301552810 630381 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :68) actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge < 1301552810 648275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :83) It's not incest if you're third cousins! < 1301552811 368180 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :98) Ah, vulva. What is that, anyway? < 1301552812 123770 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should sleep and look at it again tomorrow when i'm less stupid < 1301552812 853681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :162) cpressey: I have actually done a waterfall-model project that almost worked That's where you have a flexible kayak that bobs and weaves between the rocks as it plummets off the cliff < 1301552854 286825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a great idea < 1301552863 438307 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be really fucking obnoxious about math all day < 1301552865 444872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike usually < 1301552866 728751 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.)" <<< xD what a retard < 1301552879 470874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: please do, it'll be amazing < 1301552880 788665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1301552887 424939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not incest if you're third cousins! < 1301552888 717991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :third?? < 1301552890 722698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thath isn't even a number! < 1301552908 867689 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DECIDE WHAT'S NUMBER OR NOT < 1301552913 829085 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT U < 1301552951 808375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so the problem is i might eventually go left multiple times before i finally go left twice, yes? < 1301552966 520580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hello < 1301552984 965375 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um... i guess you could put it like that < 1301553004 234360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, go from 1 to 0 many times before going to -1 < 1301553027 637901 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301553030 867657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but you really only need to consider the _first_ time you go from 1 to 0. < 1301553041 338414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the probability q of eventually going left satisfies the equation q = l + r*q^2 right < 1301553046 866439 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is going from 0 to -1, eventually. < 1301553057 80807 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1301553063 689286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: laugh at me again < 1301553072 202486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why? < 1301553076 453700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never do that < 1301553081 848785 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oklopol for revealing the equation -----###
< 1301553109 703860 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was _trying_ not to spoonfeed a finished solution here... < 1301553110 49979 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have been p=.27+.83*p^2 < 1301553112 481876 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probability questions are kind of stupid unless the measure is given < 1301553120 74570 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i actually realized that just before saying < 1301553122 150950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was too late < 1301553137 477583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't really been reading all that carefully < 1301553158 124751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's all right. i purposefully ignored oklopol's comment so i could work it out myself < 1301553180 624718 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah then it's easy to see 0 -> 0 from that < 1301553184 812842 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how about the 2d case < 1301553197 277931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.25 distribution, the probability should be 1 < 1301553218 714515 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1301553246 229903 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: problem. there are two solutions for p in [0,1] >.> < 1301553266 38356 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: interesting, maybe it helps breaking it into quadrants or something? < 1301553278 728427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: one of them might be 1 perhaps? < 1301553282 522098 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301553289 476051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1301553300 653994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.4ish and 0.8ish < 1301553328 175255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the probability that a random walk in six dimensions is stupid < 1301553358 799565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for random walks in dim>2 the probability of returning the the origin is <1 (zero perhaps) < 1301553369 503028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you could explicitly calculate the probability that it returns in 7000000 steps, if it's more than 0.5, you're done < 1301553379 466593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 0.3 or something in 3d < 1301553390 752435 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301553392 416563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1301553394 815151 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with uniform distribution < 1301553396 578426 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1301553399 932999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never 0 < 1301553400 542877 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um should .83 be .73 up there < 1301553407 175132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see it can always return right away < 1301553407 495474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes < 1301553411 19592 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not that unlikely < 1301553429 953697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's weird that it should be .3 or something < 1301553435 200491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a strange number < 1301553448 36497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um you did calculate with .73 did you? < 1301553475 962667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, no. i changed it to .73 and this time one of the solutions is 1. phew < 1301553516 750372 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a specific reason why there should just be 1 answer? < 1301553520 191110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. 1 nearly has to be a solution for this kind of trick. < 1301553523 444263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other one is 27/73, strangely enough. now it makes sense that 50/50 probability gives you a return probability of 1!) < 1301553529 146716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what oerjan said i guess < 1301553543 143035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh cool, is that always true? < 1301553553 770160 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives homework
< 1301553567 352905 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed so it _is_ rational < 1301553610 284970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: l+r*(l/r)^2 where l+r=1 < 1301553613 605426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve it < 1301553622 180835 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if it comes up l/r < 1301553647 456000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i thinkamebbe yes) < 1301553650 643270 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm wait there's something weird about that, the solution the _other_ way cannot be 73/27 :D < 1301553672 999093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you're saying there < 1301553681 354804 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :l+r*(l/r)^2 = l + l(l/r) = l(r + l)/r = l / r < 1301553701 591142 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if it's l/r in general then that should hold even if l is _larger_ than r, which is impossible < 1301553713 422143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1301553738 398816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the probability series diverges < 1301553747 133472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mena < 1301553748 440889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the probability of hitting -1 becomes 1 < 1301553748 554688 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mean < 1301553750 879270 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's simply that then it's the 1 solution which is correct < 1301553753 219284 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301553755 227623 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301553809 798614 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does seem like god gave us an easy way out < 1301553841 712590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know hwo else gave us a way out < 1301553843 5673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitler < 1301553850 130714 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : for random walks in dim>2 the probability of returning the the origin is <1 (zero perhaps) <-- cannot be zero unless the single step probabilities are zero, there is always _some_ chance of going an exact path back < 1301553901 637716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so that's actually true in all groups < 1301554013 400307 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in 2d, we at least know that with probability 1, every row is returned to < 1301554028 999593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm < 1301554037 647369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that doesn't really help at all < 1301554059 316434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is exactly to investigate the relation between returns < 1301554061 292299 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on axes < 1301554077 592206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "the point", i'm not sure what i mean < 1301554118 158153 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could look at the probability that it returns to a subsquare < 1301554129 641874 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finite square? < 1301554134 533625 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301554142 891073 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :centered on the origin < 1301554164 455744 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinkng more, for a half-plane, we could solve with which probabilities it returns to each cell on its border < 1301554189 186896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or inside a L1 circle of the origin < 1301554189 831876 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking < 1301554206 357810 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing here is we need the distribution for how much it jumps between each time it crosses an axis < 1301554219 578807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that could be complicated < 1301554253 201859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was thought you might be able to solve that similarly to the 1d case by using some serious magix < 1301554261 626824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301554279 812675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry that was not for what you said, it was what i thought you said < 1301554304 979805 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/9116/conditions-for-2d-random-walk-to-return-to-origin oshit fourier transforms < 1301554317 204389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :L1 circle, that's a diamond shape < 1301554420 347793 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay enough fucking around, i should go do math < 1301554424 301664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301554434 806899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no more math, it's time for math" < 1301554441 722997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301554460 275072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but math i suck less at < 1301554472 600656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what math is that < 1301554508 316550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm going to do graph theory today, but it's just for a course < 1301554516 447817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1301554522 878003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i do navigation theory for automata, and cellular automata < 1301554524 985509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should polish your fingernails instead < 1301554531 232560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that graph theory will do itself later < 1301554552 983390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1301554791 601934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :food is awesome < 1301554836 682339 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301554836 682466 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301554839 265248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we missed you too, ch2 < 1301555999 857018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vODFxYg I find taskbars to be... inadequate. < 1301556015 679522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it can't even fit an ellipsis in there. < 1301556038 327534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns on window grouping.
< 1301556063 664419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to make it exactly like the Windows 7 taskbar, because dammit that thing is good.
< 1301556146 759420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it would be if windows had reasonable icons < 1301556173 623518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: true, but when using windows i severely restrict the set of software i use, so that hasn't given me a problem :) < 1301556193 252784 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the windows icons look either like a folder with some crud on top, or a stylized window that looks exactly like every other "stylized window" icons < 1301556203 884407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the built-in stuff < 1301556207 162212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately X11 is far too unsemantic to allow me to make it *exactly* like the windows 7 taskbar in that it ignores the windows and just shows a big list of tabs when i click :( < 1301556220 992654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, that list would be impossibly huge < 1301556237 948786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I ever get by with 1336x768? < 1301556253 408732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *1366 < 1301556257 816335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just define a new X11 protocol for communicating sets of tabs to taskbars < 1301556269 878854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm not ubuntu, i can't extend X11 effectively :D < 1301556315 717598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: honestly though, emphasising the icons over the text is a good idea, when was the last time you looked at the window titles in your taskbar? < 1301556345 296035 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it'd be like if you had your own dedicated support and development team and could just tell them that you want some random feature and they'd fix it < 1301556360 289784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That would be a world where @ exists. < 1301556364 778497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean me specifically or just in general :D < 1301556376 75329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just kidding, @ wouldn't exist in that world, i couldn't let them create something so important < 1301556376 728931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in general :D < 1301556378 18370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd do it WRONG!!!!! < 1301556400 450734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it'd be like being mark shuttleworth, i suspect :D < 1301556445 948403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24. < 1301556472 356436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphasizing icons is good, and I'd say Mac gets that right... I guess mostly because big, useful and vectorized icons have been possible and expected for long enough < 1301556503 472384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu does not like it when you resize its panel: http://ompldr.org/vODFxaA < 1301556521 854168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and windows 7 got the "showing icons are great!" part but missed the part where you have good icons to show < 1301556531 578664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, lol screenshot is the current topic < 1301556546 995884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with OS X's dock is < 1301556552 168743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfectly good for choosing the application < 1301556557 539418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gets you nowhere for choosing the window inside < 1301556577 477820 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think it does nowadays < 1301556588 349902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean if you hold it down? < 1301556596 761786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. it feels like an eternity. < 1301556623 846481 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I remember seeing a menu with the windows, dunno exactly how I got it :) < 1301556631 163138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holding down < 1301556634 536970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that opens an expose-type thing < 1301556636 400533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a menu < 1301556637 564936 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right-clicking? < 1301556639 83352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also right clicking < 1301556639 638796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301556644 394882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holding down used to always = right clicking < 1301556647 701902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apple don't give a shit about consistency < 1301556653 1568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also changed the colour of the menus of the dock items in snow leopard < 1301556655 987256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because, you know < 1301556656 545200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1301556685 339344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, my panel is now animated. < 1301556692 312556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is spazzing out because it can't place the number of window icons it wants. < 1301556720 88888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1301556740 591406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, it stays at default size. < 1301556766 985956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are so inadequate :( < 1301556795 224213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are just missing the software to make them useful < 1301556814 353331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's not like the hardware is perfect either :) < 1301556830 902573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e :) < 1301556845 657381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe i'll just put this window list button in some Fittsy place and remove the selector entirely. < 1301556999 369219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should try out wmii or ratpoison or ion, maybe they can keep track of my thousands of windows < 1301557253 533006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i should just replace ubuntu altogether, but getting linux installed on this is a massive time investment < 1301557370 139353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, look at that. i'm hating everything again! < 1301557401 916290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bitter old man < 1301557408 61203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i know :( < 1301557425 687680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i wonder if i was made like this so that i would be forced to either complete @ or commit suicide < 1301557460 210412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experiences with linux on this machine have reaffirmed that buying apple hardware is a bad idea, despite the hardware itself being excellent >_< < 1301557584 5409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, consuming food is a thing that is good ... i have to take /some/ pleasure while grumping out < 1301557592 37045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should be the one grumping out, not me. < 1301557654 715928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian can only express cheerfulness, so I don't think they know how to do grumpy < 1301557683 438282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could in english though < 1301557687 100727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i know oerjan as a profoundly grumpy man. < 1301557700 550991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this gives norwegians are better reputation than finns < 1301557701 660943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are just weird < 1301557704 928608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boring < 1301557707 436351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301557708 455184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :than swedes < 1301557709 9682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1301557709 749183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301557710 918099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love finns < 1301557712 796320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's swedes that suck < 1301557714 648281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you're lame. < 1301557718 622446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is mostly vorpal's fault) < 1301557758 732530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean *I'm* lame or just that swedes are lame? < 1301557766 422921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedes. i gather you're one? < 1301557787 737373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, just like Vorpal < 1301557818 919285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1301557819 106606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :• xmonad has: < 1301557819 124538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :• ±100% test coverage core functions and < 1301557819 124695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data structures" < 1301557824 760627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"±100%" ftw < 1301557825 535722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wtf < 1301557827 591965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this better not catch on < 1301557847 223289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :-100% test coverage! < 1301557866 152811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to ~, that's one of the best characters < 1301557870 511228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put ~ in front of anything i'm not certain about < 1301557875 914238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah, blahblah is ~stable" < 1301557876 654989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1301558015 789815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, time to go < 1301558025 436190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but go WHERE??? < 1301558027 309919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the afterlife? < 1301558086 476728 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, to work :) < 1301558101 945043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's upsettingly logical < 1301558102 871239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301558106 120250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate logic. < 1301558113 185384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for making sense :( < 1301558137 179445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's ok, apology accepted < 1301558146 360350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happiness resumes < 1301558170 926704 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll just go where the going will have gone me < 1301558178 750992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes < 1301558186 848284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give you the elliott medal in coherency < 1301558301 318803 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: you should be the one grumping out, not me. <-- hey i don't have to grumping loudly all the time do i... < 1301558318 331231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are excelling grammar in these last statements few < 1301558427 80366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A WORD ONCE VERBED CANNOT BE UNVERBED < 1301558443 634390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301558761 715583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, *be < 1301558864 483070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: xD < 1301558865 995321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::slowpoke: < 1301558884 768753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm afraid we now require a recording of you saying "hey i don't have to grumping loudly all the time do i..." < 1301558901 874759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i could rebind my caps lock key to the window manager control key. that is a thing i could do. < 1301558910 157737 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again, saved by my lack of a microphone < 1301558923 2431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll just ask oklopol for your address and send one there < 1301558929 72227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i think oklopol said he knew your address at one point < 1301558934 887934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is, expect microphone. < 1301558944 967094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be addressed to "O. Er Jan" < 1301559477 812272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe what i need is a program that closes windows at random whenever i have more than five < 1301559502 953419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a market for that. < 1301559679 94056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is taking up half both my cpus... < 1301559679 832206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1301559696 803168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ free -m < 1301559696 992050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1301559697 10046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 3699 3667 32 0 5 111 < 1301559697 10263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 3550 149 < 1301559698 104567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1301559714 828770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome, why are you eating my ram < 1301559721 914450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i guess it's like < 1301559722 838120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shared stuff < 1301559738 111643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need an all-powerful computer < 1301559812 574297 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas 11846 0.3 2.9 6127828 115692 ? Sl Mar25 27:01 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.16/plugin-container /usr/local/lib/libflashplayer.so 11698 plugin < 1301559823 380698 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 gigabytes is a rather impressive virtual memory size. < 1301559884 285121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301559900 581124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait < 1301559908 674763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that free -m sticker will take into account like shared stuff i guess < 1301559916 280043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so chrome is actually eating all my ramen (plural of ram) :( < 1301559919 823540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a la boxen) < 1301560198 887271 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that's because chrome is all spaghetti code copypasta < 1301560222 149131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :harf darf < 1301560746 410837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have logs of 9-13th december 2002? < 1301560759 923883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's logs start slightly after the big bang. < 1301561216 106347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait! < 1301561219 622462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is dec 09 logs. < 1301561230 767335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Log opened Mon Dec 09 07:24:10 2002 < 1301561233 48352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok CLOSE ENOUGH < 1301561239 780553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's luahg at fizzie for being awake at the 7 ams < 1301561374 909088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:52:30] < navigator> i'm in pine, slrn, bitchx, emacs (for notes), four ttys that vary between emacs, wget, lynx and gcc/gdb, tty9 is sendmail -q ; fetchmail -a, tty10 is slrnpull, 11 is mpg123 and 12 a root console (wvdial etc) < 1301561375 278948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a time when wizards spoke in codes < 1301561523 669349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around that time I was doing my "civil service" thing (we have this conscription thing + alternatives) in a place where I needed to be at... 08:30am, maybe? Something like that. < 1301561574 328461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps you are dumb? oklopol has so far applied his intelligence to magically avoid doing that < 1301561583 135232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unfamiliar with the details, but i think they involve genius in some manner < 1301561594 641689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least this is the impression I received. < 1301561599 188667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1301561622 74106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:25:18] < navigator> hey < 1301561622 259438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:26:06] < fizzie> welcome back, or something. < 1301561622 277567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:26:36] < navigator> did an indyone drop by? < 1301561622 277716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:26:48] < fizzie> umm, no. < 1301561622 277823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:26:53] < fizzie> actually absolutely nothing happened. < 1301561622 633389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:27:10] < navigator> ok < 1301561631 862847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301561636 879685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that was sgi indy < 1301561639 727086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was gonna be all < 1301561640 755911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie < 1301561645 219911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often do random computers drop by you < 1301561710 977051 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather easy to postpone that thing up until the age of 28. < 1301561729 798986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well oklopol is like 12 < 1301561735 700371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah i guess it's only a matter of time < 1301561754 460398 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not *incredibly* difficult to manage to avoid it completely, or so I hear. < 1301561759 603785 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example by being medically unfit. < 1301561766 302954 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or psychologically unfit, I guess. < 1301561793 472805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just lazy < 1301561807 663359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, work, uh, i don't really wanna do that?, sounds difficult" < 1301561866 46610 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hullun paperit", i.e. "certificate of craziness", is the usual term of getting an official excuse due to mental health issues. < 1301561887 344674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of craziness :D < 1301561900 711386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw fizzie it's really cringing me here where you say that $_[0] is looking in the $_ array which is the default input < 1301561902 189083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1301561904 499683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some perl code in this log < 1301561909 573956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite impolite to be wrong in the past < 1301561909 592054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1301561924 893743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : • ±100% test coverage core functions and <-- typo? stupidity? joke? something else? < 1301561926 804448 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been wrong many, many times. < 1301561941 503339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just bad usage of charrrs ;( < 1301561946 687237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please don't be :( < 1301561946 772527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301561957 512140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw you know how you set envbot did some horrible horrible crap to do return vars? < 1301561989 623916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm currently trying to come up with a context where ±100% would make sense. Some really inexact measurement perhaps? < 1301561994 357327 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's possible to just say "I'm not doing your military service, and I'm not doing the civilian service alternative either", after which you get thrown in jail; but the vast majority of those sentences are served in "open prisons" where you can do a quasi-normal life for the duration. < 1301562000 561434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: btw you know how you set envbot did some horrible horrible crap to do return vars? <-- yes < 1301562013 347585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol() { ret=hello }; recvr() { local ret; lol; echo $ret }; ret=hi; recvr; echo $ret < 1301562014 943932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputs: < 1301562015 684130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1301562016 56535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1301562021 625000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so you can already do returns, with evil. < 1301562027 840962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301562028 969646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evil being "sh's fucked up scoping") < 1301562036 616648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ret is a fixed name there though < 1301562038 822324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can extend this to take the return variable: < 1301562041 731719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol() { < 1301562050 57040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : eval \$$1=hello < 1301562051 908364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1301562060 153512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recvr() { local ret; lol ret; echo $ret } < 1301562065 969586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think you could abstract that out < 1301562066 896368 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amnesty International classifies our in-jail conscientious objectors as "prisoners of conscience"; I think at least at some point we were the only EU country with any of those. < 1301562070 412487 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to be proud of. < 1301562079 978030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep. However eval scares me so I used printf -v "$1" hello for the same effect < 1301562089 161414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but that's what eval is _for_ :) < 1301562095 646538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but did you do that local trick then for the return? < 1301562107 375711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I used local in the caller I believe < 1301562114 959973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return() { local var=$(shift); eval \$$var=\$*; } < 1301562121 605110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol() { return $1 hello } < 1301562124 937948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301562128 519824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recvr() { local ret; lol ret; echo $ret } < 1301562130 925551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that should work < 1301562136 493213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, however if the variable ret happens to be a local variable in lol() as well you are fucked :P < 1301562161 513423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, clearly we need something that makes up a variable name for you. < 1301562167 709169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does sh have "uplevel"? < 1301562172 162770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.: eval this code in the scope of my caller. < 1301562184 299205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of. < 1301562200 234955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1301562203 379844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well here's an idea < 1301562209 184376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one way would be to use a global variable. Since I wouldn't recommend recursion in shell script anyway it is probably just fine ;) < 1301562222 150788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exec recursion would be fine < 1301562239 369847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return() { ____return=$*; } < 1301562243 680168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301562251 120453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, forgot the quotes there < 1301562253 937035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for it < 1301562254 614970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope < 1301562258 196434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: variable assignment is special < 1301562267 736456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't get reinterpreted in command context < 1301562268 476894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... right < 1301562282 668295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't been doing shell scripting for quite a while < 1301562291 119620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let() { local ____return var=$(shift); "$@"; eval \$$var=\$____return } < 1301562294 258611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1301562296 91148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from basic stuff < 1301562297 783593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test() { < 1301562299 81769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local foo < 1301562301 297387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : let foo lol < 1301562301 481889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1301562306 3031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD THE HORROR < 1301562306 444618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1301562319 550742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what, let? < 1301562326 676553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1301562328 546266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. is that name already taken? < 1301562336 366501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to avoid the already-used-local-name issue :D < 1301562339 351752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, let exists yes. Does math < 1301562345 321552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. how logical. < 1301562380 280335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like: let resultvar 2+4 < 1301562386 673966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. how logical. < 1301562434 625929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in *bash* you can use one of these though: resultvar=$((2+4)) or (( resultvar = 2+4 )) < 1301562442 917174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misremember < 1301562444 444829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh is $(()) not posix? < 1301562454 419729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm possibly < 1301562494 625059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, it was quite a while since I did anything more advanced than simple automation in bash. < 1301562528 271802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1301562542 445427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1301562552 858769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one messed up sleep schedule < 1301562566 638458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he moved to another country recently < 1301562618 65880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1301562622 136086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your memory leak like a sieve < 1301562629 28488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you KNOW oerjan is on the standard 25-hour sleep schedule < 1301562633 378086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have pointed it out to you several times < 1301562636 532580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah right < 1301562643 855813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was trying to fix it? < 1301562650 272244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone want to do such a thing as that < 1301562675 554098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has the perfect life, get up, irc and math, make lots of puns, then sleep when you get tired < 1301562679 100430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fjords < 1301562695 211852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well... employers tend to have rather pronounced views about not getting to work when they expect you to. < 1301562701 971812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to look at how much an old thinkpad costs on on ebay so that the prospect of installing linux again on this macbook air doesn't hurt as much < 1301562714 631827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh come on, you _know_ oerjan doesn't work :) < 1301562730 821197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebay is a ghost town. or maybe, the things i search for are ghosts. < 1301562733 359827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what/who pays his bills? < 1301562741 790318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you searching for then? < 1301562752 401280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkpads! i didn't actually check before searching, there is actually things here < 1301562754 330964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, so what/who pays his bills? < 1301562760 24063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, ask him, that's a personal question :P < 1301562765 336600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1301562788 594841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do gather norway is one of those civilised countries with welfare < 1301562790 950405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a new thinkpad isn't *that* expensive. Unless you go for a w700ds or whatever the model name was. < 1301562794 463732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the term is these days. < 1301562808 821491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah but i don't want a new one. they're all widescreen. < 1301562827 24278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uglier :) < 1301562842 878419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5x IBM Thinkpad T41 Spares Parts Job Lot #230" < 1301562845 100285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :image is of it booting < 1301562849 299703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh? Don't they look about the same still? Black slab kind of look. And still matte screens < 1301562851 392824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if they just wiped the hd by mistake < 1301562858 471000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the design has changed to be more ugly : < 1301562859 26028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301562870 379491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 turns on but has a smashed screen but i can vaguely see that it is managing its way into the bios < 1301562870 556562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 turns on and goes into the bios, the display has a red tint which gradually fades < 1301562870 574745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 has no screen and no power < 1301562870 574910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 turn on but display nothing both screens look undamaged but no guarantees as they havent been tested < 1301562881 977888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All are missing batterys, HDD\'s and HDD caddys unless otherwise stated " < 1301562887 218043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bargain. < 1301562906 340652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IBM T42 Thinkpad Laptop - 1.7Ghz / 1Gb Ram / DVD / WiFi" £119. who the fuck is going to pay £119 for that? < 1301562926 340075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway most thinkpads (probably excluding the w700ds again) will have rather bad colour reproduction. They are business machines after all. Same goes for the built in speakers. Other than that they will be better than most other brands. < 1301562944 967560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want something that lets me install linux on it over and over again without crying :D < 1301562963 977647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mostly just to shut my inner voice up, i'll break down and see about getting some other distro to work on this soon. < 1301562967 616481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a scary prospect. < 1301562979 967650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was the issue with getting it to run on the macbook? < 1301562984 432757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1301562990 843166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: everything :) < 1301562999 963322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macbook air is picky about what it boots. beyond that, drivers drivers drivers. < 1301563024 172135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardware is perfect, everything else about this machine sucks :( < 1301563041 32116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it was a brand new model then iirc? With Linux, support tends to improve over time. < 1301563058 489777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it was a few months old. and mostly similar to the previous model and macbook pros. < 1301563062 951522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly similar = basically identical < 1301563063 261845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301563065 909367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't waste your time. < 1301563066 96888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These systems are fast. They boot up 57% faster, and they shut down in 5 seconds." --lenovo.com < 1301563070 636208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW!!! SHUTS DOWN IN 5 SECONDS!! < 1301563080 854669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i am thinking that systems should _boot_ in 5 seconds < 1301563091 685627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no. shutting down: that is what we do on our laptops. < 1301563093 163071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I assume that means windows 7 will at most take 5 seconds to shut down. No matter what < 1301563102 970895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :including when installing a service pack < 1301563104 901892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone call mythbusters < 1301563125 871040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw, does it say 57% faster *than what* < 1301563128 912700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lenovo.com/images/products/professional-grade/thinkpad/x-series/960x430_hero_x201.jpg wow, they managed to make the x series ugly :/ < 1301563133 801287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to be a slab, not a... flob :( < 1301563138 415202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: than the previous model, i guess < 1301563144 149863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301563147 121218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Epic battery life" are you serious < 1301563152 556034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was a business machine < 1301563156 568464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fuck getting a new one :D < 1301563159 382935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that link: what is wrong with that? < 1301563168 332913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that looks like a slab to you?! < 1301563174 811571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got ridges and twiddles up the wazoo. < 1301563188 129992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2141/2271406891_a51f3320e7.jpg < 1301563190 660156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean the palm rest looks curved? < 1301563198 988753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and the switches. < 1301563215 480281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ughh, i forgot thinkpads have the fn key in a stupid place < 1301563219 129454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1301563225 64817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, same as macs have? < 1301563229 623032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :) < 1301563237 9092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes ctrl incredibly awkward to press < 1301563239 954681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to curl my pinky < 1301563247 221618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more often, move my hand so my thumb is over it < 1301563249 727968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, you get used to it fairly quickly. I have no problems reaching either key < 1301563259 315706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing ctrl is still a pain imo < 1301563264 148419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IBM Lenovo ThinkPad keyboard trackpoint tip nipple hat" < 1301563265 261807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nipple hat :D < 1301563273 327737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that from lenovo? < 1301563277 120743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so wtf < 1301563278 89373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ebay < 1301563280 991041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301563281 641020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi and welcome to my auction < 1301563281 659093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this advert is for spare parts from a IBM THINKPAD I SERIES TYPE 1161 < 1301563281 659255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not use the buy it now as you will not recieve anything!!!" < 1301563286 274180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy it now price: 99p < 1301563292 487578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREAT WAY TO LOOK CHEAP, FUCKER < 1301563298 84264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should hit buy it now < 1301563301 446138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and demand they give me the parts < 1301563304 418881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to ebay's TOS < 1301563319 107387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :99p to irritate some sleazy dbag: worth it?? < 1301563336 649247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dear god. what happened to people being able to type and spell. < 1301563339 424931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1301563342 130845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you see that line from a combat report in df I posted yesterday? < 1301563351 378326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, actually just today i lost it when itw as first said < 1301563354 128175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, in logs yes. < 1301563381 44403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was...yeah. < 1301563421 23175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw there is a column on the health overview screen for sensor nerves and one for motor nerves. Presumably your dwarfs can get damage to those. < 1301563424 447033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm hmm window managers hmm < 1301563441 865001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ion3 until the sun goes cold would maximise my old-fartiness. < 1301563457 77203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301563471 557854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, ratpoison or wmii or xmonad is probably a better choice :P < 1301563483 334577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess that depends on what you want. You could use that port of the plan9 window manager I guess < 1301563496 731648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried it on X < 1301563501 279363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a disaster < 1301563510 380851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, i want something automatic. i decided that traditional window management is unusable for me after creating the following scene without realising it: http://ompldr.org/vODFxYg < 1301563516 303726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I've used it, it's ... fine < 1301563516 859082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1301563519 642468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exactly like plan 9's wm < 1301563534 606599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never thought of rio as the greatest part of plan 9 ever so, yeah, it's... not that interesting < 1301563535 795085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite. But it lacks the rest of plan9 around it. < 1301563548 684752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less talking about plan 9, more gawping at how my taskbar couldn't even fit an ellipsis in :D < 1301563556 442272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was thinking interactions with windows would work less well in the port < 1301563569 687426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: no, i want something automatic. i decided that traditional window management is unusable for me after creating the following scene without realising it: http://ompldr.org/vODFxYg <-- chrome has tabs I think < 1301563576 223304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: funny man. < 1301563587 338440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i open new windows according to a proprietary trade secret algorithm < 1301563592 177489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301563596 674854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i open new windows when i feel like they would disrupt my tabs :D) < 1301563604 625146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I instead have three rows of tabs in firefox. < 1301563609 926600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: having all that in one window would be... interesting < 1301563611 964223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be about 10 rows. < 1301563627 988392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i like to have pages BEHIND other pages that i can just click to, my browsing isn't really optimised for efficiency < 1301563634 333325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to maximise the amount of things i can do to get more things to appear < 1301563638 689141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right. I seldom reach that. Firefox has a great built in feature to help you keep the tab count lower than that < 1301563643 174174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is called "lagging to hell" < 1301563649 774501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's quite a feature < 1301563686 357693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i have a feeling tiling wms might not work for me either though :/ < 1301563693 772431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i was thinking ratpoison, that's more a ... hiding wm < 1301563704 553792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it < 1301563707 345040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of sight, out of mind, still taking up two thirds of your ram < 1301563714 239548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically it doesn't automatically tile < 1301563719 801550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just replaces the current frame with the new one when you create/focus < 1301563724 741744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all tiling is manual if you really want it < 1301563734 2986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like screen for x :P < 1301563737 54013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's exactly screen for X < 1301563759 377399 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a person (whose nick matches the regexs /^inei/ and /ros$/) who -- instead of bookmarks or even a horrible set of tabs -- keeps a huge set of pages in "restore previous session" prompt windows, *nested* something like eight levels deep. < 1301563772 490810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... :D < 1301563775 80049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested. < 1301563775 338419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so... everything is a full screen app unless you really really want to do some arcane key strokes to split the screen? < 1301563779 708470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe that even works fizzie < 1301563784 779462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "arcane"; it's like C-t h or something < 1301563791 848248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes. like gnu screen < 1301563800 998059 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I couldn't believe it either, and apparently it broken down quite badly when the nesting level got to high single-digits. < 1301563812 458875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I didn't know you could have more than one set of tabs to be restored... < 1301563812 986821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we need screenshots of this. blurred if necessary. < 1301563820 102041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it isn't firefox? < 1301563822 962680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: presumably he just kills firefox with the restoring thing still open < 1301563825 719434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it counts as a tab to restore < 1301563830 189496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he can restore that tab to see more < 1301563835 580213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in awe < 1301563840 644225 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was Firefox, yes; and you can only have them by forcibly terminating it so that there's still the restore-session tab pending. < 1301563846 123208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301563850 755262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1301563858 119484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: can...can i come to finland and see the horror < 1301563865 59671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i pinged him ;D < 1301563866 642746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm sure there is some sort of extension to do this more cleanly... < 1301563901 64485 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I thought it quite bizarroid too. < 1301563921 823967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so you can get a restore session tab listed in the restore session tab? How.... weird... < 1301563972 447714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1301563973 830424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best < 1301563983 250010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I assume reaching one from the innermost nesting level will be quite messy < 1301563983 427963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised it doesn't like < 1301563991 212923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open with a blank list < 1301563995 134146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301563996 566257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised it keeps that list with it < 1301564022 186701 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manufactured example: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/restore-restore.png < 1301564049 767226 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be even nicer if it'd expand the "restore session" in that list so that you'd get a tree-like thing. < 1301564063 949726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embarrassing indeed. < 1301564069 272599 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it indeed kept the list; I got my original set of tabs back. < 1301564071 679656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope ineiros feels the embarrassment every time he uses it. < 1301564082 323141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please inform me of how ineiros came to use such an insane system. < 1301564094 455941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he just kill Firefox one day with a restore session thing open, re-opened it and went "oh hey, this is convenient"? < 1301564112 290231 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he had to flatten out the thing after Firefox went into some sort of "closing a tab takes 15 seconds" mode due to all the... something. < 1301564117 973074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if df has some way to quickly jump to a specific z level. Some sort of bookmark or such. Considering that it's sub-surface is much deeper than minecraft the scrolling with > and < can get tedious when you need to control activities near surface and mining very deep at the same time < 1301564121 332267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something indeed. < 1301564121 350184 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the genesis of the awesome, unfortunately. < 1301564137 282476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But then you couldn't have the Room Outside of Space! < 1301564148 64381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err? < 1301564151 795927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That awesome WM thing you use, can it do tabbing? < 1301564159 854084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cf. Boatmurdered (or was it Syrupleaf? It was one of them!) < 1301564186 890451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay. I looked a bit at them, but I haven't read the whole things. So quick summary perhaps? < 1301564189 114224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the room < 1301564207 550944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a room that's ~impossible to find due to having no paths to it. < 1301564213 940429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301564228 764908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can still find it by just going through each z level though < 1301564235 158938 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's a lua extension called "tabulous" that adds some sort of tabbing thing, but I haven't tried it out. < 1301564271 151491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and if anyone is in it, you can just bring up the unit screen (u), select the unit (arrow keys), then focus on it (c). < 1301564289 83902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what wm do you use btw? < 1301564292 213547 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I'd really recommend Awesome; it's not my favouritest thing ever. I just can't be motivated to switch again. < 1301564293 162594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, you can still find it by just going through each z level though < 1301564296 285911 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Awesome. < 1301564296 875951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were ridiculous numbers of them. < 1301564300 832554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1301564319 989249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW, the thing ended with the single remaining living dwarf in the Room Outside of Space. < 1301564326 146960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, some 200 or so I'd guess? Probably more if there are mountains on the map. < 1301564329 653151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: With enough food to last for quite a while. < 1301564331 170460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It never actually ended. < 1301564341 872384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have about 200 I *guess* and I'm in fairly flat terrain < 1301564344 784297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, remember that there's still the x/z to traverse. < 1301564367 633631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true, but there is a overview map in one pane (can be enabled/disabled with tab) < 1301564373 575660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (The single remaining dwarf, that is, after the two stats-are-completely-off-the-charts megadwarves were put in a room to battle it out to the death.) < 1301564407 682052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It ended with the now-armless HolisticDetective (I think?) BITING Nemo to death.) < 1301564428 31920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then HolisticDetective I think died on account of having very few limbs. < 1301564436 53795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm that remaining dwarf... if it stayed alive until the next wave of immigrants... < 1301564460 51792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think everyone was quite sick of the fortress at that point :P < 1301564465 471459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I think mixed climate embarkments are bugged < 1301564482 205222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :warm climates should not freeze during winter. Temperate should < 1301564483 762972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you not only have a massive superweapon that you activate, but then ALSO build a TRIBUTE to those who died in its activation which ITSELF is an even BIGGER superweapon, and then activate THAT... < 1301564493 421342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they won Dwarf Fortress :P < 1301564497 194355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fort is just over a boundary. However the whole map does freeze < 1301564564 326676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man... i think i've never made so many links in my life < 1301564571 490709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm reading over the explanation of @ I wrote) < 1301564587 823930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's only 12 links. but it looks like more. < 1301564733 240871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should have used this font on that CRT you overclocked: http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/01128220822 < 1301564735 895709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(YES, OVERCLOCKED) < 1301564752 718140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/patrickhaller/no-wm ;; maybe i'll just ditch WMs entirely < 1301564943 577613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i should get a desktop. < 1301564949 365615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use this laptop all the time. < 1301564954 24897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can. but. < 1301565016 971143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could attach screen, keyboard and monitor to it < 1301565025 636533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides, what about your imac? < 1301565029 656590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could attach screen, keyboard and monitor to it < 1301565038 213794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, was it the air? < 1301565040 676685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it then < 1301565051 339017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. it would become a desktop with a moderate amount of ram, a slow-ish cpu, not much disk space (albeit ssd), < 1301565057 59802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with a painful installation process for linux < 1301565066 151439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that appealing, the 13" screen doesn't bother me :) < 1301565088 537628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the imac is ok but it suffers the same linux-hatred problem and it's ... really pretty damn slow < 1301565091 687002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's five years old, after all < 1301565097 595810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you very quickly get used to larger screen sizes. 24" is nice. Lots of space for stuff < 1301565112 721398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i used a 20" with the imac and that's pretty big if you ask me :) < 1301565122 162158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually i've adapted fine to smaller screens. it's the dpi. < 1301565164 536978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and ofc a too-large screen is pretty unergonomic. < 1301565179 907970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as annoying: maximised browser window on too-large screen = long text line is long < 1301565294 25142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, but a large screen mean I don't have to maximise the browser window < 1301565361 20074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and with a tiling wm? :) < 1301565372 434783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301565381 128056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you can't always have enough auxiliary windows to pollute your screen with to make it size out right. < 1301565386 735150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably you should be able to like < 1301565387 656536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have padding < 1301565392 876804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to figure out how to make that work smoothly < 1301565398 354718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1301565413 145579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't use a tiling one however. I'm boring and just use metacity < 1301565422 591415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, metacity is failing me :) < 1301565432 710702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: now watch as i unravel what i really want in a wm, and end up with @ < 1301565453 173933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unexpected :P < 1301565466 332947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301565467 818499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my burden. < 1301565486 650927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but, there is no way i will get @ written without a comfortable linux setup to do it in. < 1301565522 742210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw the fact that i am small and short influences my taste in monitors :D < 1301565532 296994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24" would literally be bad for my neck. < 1301565552 898356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1301565559 962512 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have the problem that I open far more tabs than I can actually read or "process" correctly. Sometimes it happens that Firefox crashes when I have 150 tabs open, 10 of which are Youtube. Then I just want to quickly check some page, it sometimes happens that I leave the "Restore session" there for another day. < 1301565581 576315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I feel like you may have exaggerated this "10 levels deep restore session organisation" thing. < 1301565582 129324 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And sometimes this happens two, three, four or more times in a row. :P < 1301565584 914174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1301565587 507922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301565599 928060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: It's probably Flash doing the crashing. < 1301565604 400583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an exceedingly crashy piece of software. < 1301565606 296761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm large and need to put my 24" at the max height the monitor stand can extend to make it comfortable :P < 1301565606 997328 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And then I suddenly have a total of ~1000 tabs waiting for me in ~10 layers. < 1301565611 24403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's an about:config thing to sandbox all plugins that you might want to try. < 1301565616 237631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to to* < 1301565622 52524 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, mostly Flash. It's now disabled in my Firefox. < 1301565632 491022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I've said before, there needs to be a browser that makes no distinction between tabs and history. < 1301565645 52875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recent stuff is on the bottom (sidebar list), older stuff is further up. < 1301565648 387188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff gets unloaded automatically. < 1301565682 479894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i wonder how small they make ips displays :) < 1301565687 389856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1301565695 175781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was only barely a joke < 1301565701 531819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ips is a bit out of my price range :D < 1301565706 913226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you want that sort of colour reproduction? < 1301565729 804079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't feel right to be able to change the colour of something by dragging it to the bottom of my screen. < 1301565750 942022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then just forget thinkpad :P < 1301565751 204073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tn displays tend to be made crappily in general IME :) < 1301565757 206292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a laptop :P < 1301565788 199763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll get a vt100. < 1301565790 543929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just use that. < 1301565795 801850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect to a VAX with it. < 1301565807 464981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my TN desktop monitor doesn't do heavy colour shifting < 1301565809 992977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i have problems with my internet connection, call up tech support < 1301565813 442202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go to control panel" "what?" < 1301565814 985420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's an Asus < 1301565815 366299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"move your mouse to" < 1301565818 2097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't have a mouse" < 1301565824 333725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...ok, press the windows key on your keyboard" < 1301565831 648399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't have one of those. do you mean F994?" < 1301565844 699563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, presumably they mean the blinken lights control panel :P < 1301565847 279061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...sir, what computer do you use?" < 1301565853 656205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh um, it's an 11/750." < 1301565856 380782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*click* < 1301565867 72268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vax model number shamelessly stolen from wikipedia) < 1301565892 801732 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134156.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301565937 243407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idea for that tabs=history browser: when you move away from a tab, it hides it and holds it ransom for 24 hours < 1301566042 474688 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203099.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301566101 968691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how would this work with ajaxy stuff? < 1301566109 926904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specify further < 1301566114 706915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like gmail encode it into the url nowadays < 1301566117 537318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so reloading is harmless < 1301566122 135783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay hm < 1301566137 379670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd only unload a tab if you don't click it for like hours < 1301566138 76222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about stuff like bank websites. Where you want to close everything when you log out. < 1301566147 147240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you can Ctrl+W < 1301566251 699679 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminals are nice. < 1301566267 524323 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VT510 I had at one point could do a 50-line 132-column thing. < 1301566276 733426 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a hardware status line. < 1301566305 18104 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a built-in terminal-side calculator thing with line-drawing graphics. (It could paste the result as if you typed it.) < 1301566363 369802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of computer connected bar code scanners. Often they just act like keyboards < 1301566373 24184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the computer that is < 1301566398 803890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interfaces suck. environments suck. society sucks. people suck. things suck. < 1301566399 358580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop < 1301566400 698255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1301566403 105916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the top of the stack < 1301566410 823422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow I'll be back down at the bottom and not even know it < 1301566418 524886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the suck starts again < 1301566468 259153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how practical magma forges would be in real life. Probably not very < 1301566519 408043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely! < 1301566549 357379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i really should buy a vax < 1301566553 619291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and release @ for vax only < 1301566561 522006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why vax < 1301566571 745785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not some other unusual system < 1301566573 268701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they have a lot of instructions, so i can pick only the ones i like, and use those. < 1301566586 812574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, CISC or RISC? < 1301566601 349126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very CISC. < 1301566605 163019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301566608 16286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *inspired* RISC because of how many goddamn instructions it had. < 1301566612 706848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301566620 960463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And most of them were slower than doing their effect by hand :P) < 1301566627 695592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on a lot of RISC have lots of instructions < 1301566631 210889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Literally, VAX is basically what caused RISC to be created :P) < 1301566653 388385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking hell i don't mean vax the vacuum cleaners google < 1301566657 478790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let fucking google sgjdkjfsghldfg < 1301566686 637635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the thing about RISC is that they are really load-store architectures. Sometimes with a lot of instructions. < 1301566693 987884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can't find a figure of how many instructions a vax had < 1301566695 886792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was a lot :D < 1301566715 981424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it would be fun to have an ISA where it read like VLIWs < 1301566720 273338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every VLIW was a small functional program < 1301566725 878593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking in registers and spitting out new ones, or something < 1301566741 553712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it would be even slower than IA64 < 1301566781 556289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itanium isn't exactly slow < 1301566787 938279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's popular in dem soopercomputers < 1301566794 185813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1301566796 221802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dem "enterprizes" < 1301566817 443556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you remember that it become a commercial failure due to lack of performance? < 1301566822 957015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. itanium 1 < 1301566825 398469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itanium 2 is much faster < 1301566828 815743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301566831 498257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, an itanium desktop would be fun < 1301566834 276853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1301566836 289693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: An Itanium-based computer first appeared on list of the TOP500 supercomputers in November 2001.[34] The best position ever achieved by an Itanium 2 based system in the list was #2, achieved in June 2004, when Thunder (LLNL) entered the list with an Rmax of 19.94 Teraflops. In November 2004, Columbia entered the list at #2 with 51.8 Teraflops, and there was at least one Itanium-based computer in the top 10 from then until June 2007. The pe < 1301566836 473181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ak number of Itanium-based machines on the list occurred in the November 2004 list, at 84 systems (16.8%); by June 2010, this had dropped to five systems (1%).[72] < 1301566838 49243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they should have called it something else than itanium then < 1301566866 161239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301566979 612577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to get @ bootstrapped :( < 1301566990 353306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. write a full interpreter in asm and then write a full compiler in that language. bleh. < 1301566997 902965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first bit, is the bit I don't look forward to. < 1301567007 197004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i need the persistence layer at the same point. < 1301567034 715573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not do it in another language than asm? You could cross compiler for that in a high level language? < 1301567059 500144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like what? name a high-level language with a compiler that spits out freestanding machine code that will plug in to other asm cleanly < 1301567081 176352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, even dropping the high-level requirement, the only player is C, and even that's not perfect. plus, you know, writing interpreters in C isn't a piece of cake either < 1301567103 407678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, better than x86 asm I'd say < 1301567121 368499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. but x86 asm is at least more "fun". < 1301567139 663282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i could bootstrap an implementation on linux, then somehow port that over. but that actually sounds very painful. < 1301567144 876459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is fun as in the redirect from fun on the df wiki to the article about losing :P < 1301567191 699484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, it's winning. writing interpreters in freestanding x86 asm is exactly what charlie sheen would do in this situation. < 1301567208 526943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol #@ is a channel :D < 1301567220 192665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Founder : vr < 1301567220 377635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Registered : Sep 04 18:06:23 2004 (6 years, 29 weeks, 5 days, 16:20:20 ago) < 1301567220 395665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Last used : Mar 14 17:08:56 2007 (4 years, 2 weeks, 3 days, 17:17:47 ago) < 1301567220 932187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1301567272 678799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you do a group registration you could probably take it over :P < 1301567280 822299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss < 1301567287 161376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds productive and worthwhile, who wants to be my groupie < 1301567288 109562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1301567289 672749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :group partner < 1301567295 417779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1301567559 136944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of chrome windows just decreased by one to 24 < 1301567562 618763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :celebrate everybody! < 1301567582 213667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iirc firefox 4 allows you to group tabs or something. < 1301567589 939240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds lik ework < 1301567591 603234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like work < 1301567635 192693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 150K 2011-03-31 11:33 logs.sqlite3 < 1301567635 890828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1301567639 505770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidental copy-paste. < 1301567641 310010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saw nothing. < 1301567657 831511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. Copy cat of fizzie eh? < 1301567663 292404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1301567666 67531 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We saw your user name. < 1301567676 388594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :we saw that you used sql < 1301567687 516869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: did anything happen? I think that nothing happened. < 1301567691 213399 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite in particular. < 1301567750 137981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now this will horrify Vorpal < 1301567750 871236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_sSnLmJN78 < 1301567927 227274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that That Bassett Disaster guy is anyone from here... < 1301567963 705995 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301568155 952119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You saw nothing, k? < 1301568161 609343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING < 1301568168 567603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I saw that line < 1301568172 785176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : -rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 150K 2011-03-31 11:33 logs.sqlite3 < 1301568174 610894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING < 1301568177 242582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SAW NOTHING < 1301568179 971243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was it about? < 1301568200 447504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l visor.c < 1301568200 633612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :387 visor.c < 1301568200 651553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK my hands keep slipping < 1301568204 805765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure a mispasted line, but why are you acting like this about it < 1301568228 745262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOTHIIIIIIIIIING < 1301568233 376270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I don't believe that. You said " FUCK my hands keep slipping" the same second as those two lines above it < 1301568233 764744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRADE SEC- i mean NOTHING < 1301568250 449471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: THEY SLIPPED OUT "FUCK MY HANDS KEEP SLIPPING" TOO!!!!! < 1301568252 120594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S OUT OF CONTROL! < 1301568256 642284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just improbable if you realised *after* < 1301568273 503259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY SPONTANEOUSLY TYPED THAT RANDOMLY EITHER < 1301568412 496306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. @ actually can't compile EVERYTHING at execution time. < 1301568523 555048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course not. The compiler itself needs to be pre-compiled. Or run by an interpreter during boot (possibly made to compile itself, then switching over to that compiled one) < 1301568536 47671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler and the persistence layer, to be precise. < 1301568556 289414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interpreter isn't an option; the language will evolve with the system, and like hell am I going to keep an asm interpreter up to date with an Advanced Compiler(TM). < 1301568556 921436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably also the memory allocation, but that may be in the persistence layer < 1301568564 518665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What memory allocation? < 1301568581 226270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just mean "how to decide what parts of disk to cache in memory", then yeah, persistence layer. < 1301568582 541170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, allocating buffers for DMA for example. < 1301568599 605839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean "how objects are allocated in the abstract address space to be persisted on disk", well, that's just part of the object model. < 1301568606 322763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is part of the runtime. < 1301568609 468144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is tied to the compiler. < 1301568613 81011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean when using DMA for the network card and so on < 1301568629 375259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or buffers for other hardware communication < 1301568635 417930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Well, it's not like DMA things will be freed very often. :P < 1301568647 224384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't USB do DMA? < 1301568656 676746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know firewire does < 1301568662 72539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly firewire is mostly dead < 1301568662 685799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. But the precompiled code isn't going to be using DMA. < 1301568674 299840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SATA definitely uses DMA < 1301568675 603679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its only job will be to compile the startup code and execute that. < 1301568722 813316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re: firewire: THUNDERBOOOOOLT < 1301568724 730910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides even for things that don't use DMA you still need buffers quite often. Stuff like buffers for TCP communication. < 1301568733 987696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And? Those are objects. < 1301568740 103284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301568769 228467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it would be useless to persist those on disks. For a start during a reboot the tcp connection would time out. < 1301568793 523664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, purely as an optimisation the objects could hint in their metadata that persisting them is pointless. < 1301568798 901794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they do get persisted, it's no big deal. < 1301568799 32549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if a computer is turned off, you can't persist the whole internet's state against you. :P < 1301568804 532621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just be GC'd later. < 1301568832 378564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you will have to deal with the lack of persistence as soon as you involve network communication < 1301568839 268432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Remember that @ is designed for SSDs. Well, SSDs with even better write-cycle lifetime than the current generation SSDs.) < 1301568841 9539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really. < 1301568847 843749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sockets die when you wake your computer up, not that complicated. < 1301568864 689645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, okay that works < 1301568909 688088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw what about transactions? If it isn't a laptop and you get a power outage, without an ups... < 1301568918 911336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define transaction. < 1301568936 285126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, think a database that wants to be sure it's objects won't be lost. < 1301568951 69706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of a power outage, or fatal PSU failure or whatever < 1301568968 353316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, "object writes" are (in theory) atomic. < 1301568976 532750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll just get the last persisted thing. < 1301569029 984728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well right, but a database won't be happy with that. When COMMIT; in SQL (and the equiv in other types of databases) succeed there should be no way that the data could be lost after. < 1301569043 349206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it tells the persistence layer to commit it. < 1301569046 578366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301569049 916636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the machine crashes while that's happening, well, what the fuck can you do? < 1301569065 738731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because some sql server developer says that COMMIT; means that things will NEVER EVER GET LOST doesn't stop physics :) < 1301569086 882524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. The harddrive could catch fire or such < 1301569109 124843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who likes sql anyway, it sucks < 1301569134 92476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right. Elliott "-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 150K 2011-03-31 11:33 logs.sqlite3" Hird. < 1301569144 844924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I said, "nothing happened"? < 1301569148 469868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1301569151 967561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway that was just a really bad typo for "hi there everyone". < 1301569159 190351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: Wasn't it. < 1301569160 738305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riight < 1301569176 663580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ask ch2 yourself. < 1301569176 704563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ch2 is a bot as far as I can tell :P < 1301569187 330060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably run by you < 1301569192 697673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would ask it how it felt about that accusation but I'd have to open logs.sqlite3 to see its reply. < 1301569210 851264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aha, so that is what the file is for :P < 1301569217 770194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCUSE ME? < 1301569269 191232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is clear that Vorpal knows not of what he talks. < 1301569295 769995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1301569339 213204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: WHAT IS YOUR OPINIONS < 1301569365 841387 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're the extroverted one, what do you think? < 1301569366 27611 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i believe it anyway. it doesn't < 1301569398 237246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot believes me! < 1301569398 605761 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: x y z))? the number one?" < 1301569407 956860 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believes "it". < 1301569412 330357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ch2 has aspirations, you know! < 1301569414 546814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes! < 1301569421 837240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps it believes ch2. < 1301569549 939010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SHEESH < 1301569589 916585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1301569606 238223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your rampant disbelief. < 1301569682 236673 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rustles.
< 1301569686 741277 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :His rampart disbelieve. < 1301569726 182123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. there's a Rampart port in the PlayStation Network thing. < 1301569743 286513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So did that C128 ever get an IPv6 stack running? < 1301569757 34847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONVERSATIONS FROM 2002 < 1301569803 100970 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't really been used much; doing anything with it involves too much hardware, and somehow hardware makes me feel queasy. < 1301569811 666266 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those cables and things, ugh. < 1301569823 555516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301569825 332402 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We really should get rid of all the physical nonsense. < 1301569896 702304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So it doesn't do IPv6? < 1301569899 404023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How sad. < 1301569908 894830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523. < 1301569937 509491 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really do any sort of networking at all; I don't have the hardware. < 1301570030 576012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1301570227 647047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50:53] -!- navigator [~andreou@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr] has quit ["[BX] Occifer, I'm not as think as you stoned I am!"] < 1301570227 797251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:56:30] -!- IcemanX [Iceman@62.103.251.206] has joined #esoteric < 1301570227 815130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:56:54] < IcemanX> Have you seen navigator today? < 1301570265 49891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, close timing < 1301570288 14820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, according to Slashdot, Samsung has been installing keyloggers on new laptops it sells, in order to collect usage statistics < 1301570294 24326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can they possibly have thought that was a good idea? < 1301570297 731762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also according to reddit < 1301570304 158911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must be true < 1301570308 383302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1301570310 50478 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also according to a-place-I-forgot. < 1301570321 638859 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/040411sec1.html < 1301570323 298057 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That place. < 1301570332 168143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me, or does slashdot look quite pland nowadays? < 1301570336 26406 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Full disclosure: link courtesy of 'ros.) < 1301570336 209302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bland < 1301570347 433421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301570351 548892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be really sure, we should check el reg < 1301570377 725677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/30/samsung_imitating_sony/ < 1301570382 399916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Updated: denied by Samsung" < 1301570385 851107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's obviously false then < 1301570387 822840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was even in red text < 1301570392 821797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update Samsung has issued a brief denial, in which it said the researcher has identified an innocuous directory as the keylogger in error. Its statement says that the researcher's security program "mistook a folder created by Microsoft Live Application for a key logging software, during a virus scan.". Looks like a game of claim and counter-claim is on the cards. ® < 1301570404 863270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to Slashdot, they denied it, and then admitted it later < 1301570406 503250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS, REGISTER < 1301570414 200953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE REG ARTICLE < 1301570415 139714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST BE FALSE < 1301570510 921418 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they might have denied it a third time. < 1301570520 29533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Book Review: The Art of Computer Programming. Volume 4A: Combinatorial Algorithm" < 1301570529 430103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have time for reviews! we have to convince knuth to release the next volumes! < 1301570539 381070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's 73 already, there is no time to waste! < 1301570545 686320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has to write them first < 1301570552 473069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE HAS TO WRITE THEM FASTER < 1301570572 587868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has to write 4B, 4C, maybe 4D, and 5, 6 and 7 < 1301570578 670898 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some dude has "confirmed" it's a false-positive at http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/samsung-keylogger-is-a-gfi-vipre-antivirus-false-positive/12128 by creating a similarly named empty folder. < 1301570595 508949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about you, but I think Knuth is remarkably optimistic about his life span. < 1301570601 159046 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for Knuth's book on compilers which he promise to write after TAOCP! :-( < 1301570609 42114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Keep dreaming :P < 1301570651 824423 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on my Forth again today after going off on a tangent for a few days :-) < 1301570668 757088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :510 bytes! 510 bytes! < 1301570684 925171 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Volume 5: estimated to be ready in 2020. < 1301570694 424173 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not possible with 8086. Maybe with Z80. < 1301570712 912693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of prolific old people, I wonder how many hours of film Attenborough's documentaries total up to < 1301570740 136761 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And isn't the "book on compilers" in fact volume 7 of TAOCP? < 1301570860 201235 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301571387 30277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "This laptop is in pretty poor condition. [...] It is in Great Condition." --eBay < 1301571427 569039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:560E there's one of these for sale, like a time machine! < 1301571453 50878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Boots up, XP loads, Microsoft Office loaded and working but still being sold For Parts and Not Working." < 1301571455 85684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhhh... < 1301571458 601422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO "not" < 1301571770 37097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wish gentoo did things like "support non-glibc libcs" and "support static linking the system" so that it wasn't a pointless waste of time < 1301571797 51163 :cheater-!~cheater@g231050097.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301571868 270803 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301571870 352171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1301571871 905973 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1301571943 601824 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134156.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301572348 547371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301572533 598836 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301572595 790413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ga/1994/ga940408.gif < 1301572603 888433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN WHICH JIM DAVIS FAILS AT ETHOLOGY < 1301572742 964152 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229075.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301572758 110285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M TRYING OUT ZSH AGAIN WHYYY < 1301572767 776561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT RESIST THE CRAZY < 1301572783 628864 :cheater-!~cheater@g231050097.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301572792 143929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ALLURE OF A SHELL IN WHICH A FULL HTTPD CAN BE WRITTEN WITH ONLY THE BUILTINS IS TOO GREAT < 1301572810 322081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *builtins and modules of crazy < 1301572855 842075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set on the "scroll completions with arrow keys" thing and DO NOT WANT < 1301572872 690366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL < 1301572877 611055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO DISRUPTIVE < 1301572891 149869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fuck, this machine needs a better name than elliott-MacBookAir. < 1301572896 191531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I switched to zsh in a moment of madness and now I'm hooked.) < 1301572898 738845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's really really thin. < 1301572903 796283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not going to call my computer "anorexic".) < 1301572913 8816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, call it Kate Moss. < 1301572919 479449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YES VERY FUNNY < 1301572987 163447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HOW MANY LINES DOES YOUR PROMPT HAVE < 1301573015 194770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ACTUAL DISPLAYED PROMPT OR THE FORMAT STRING? < 1301573102 610552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FIRST < 1301573120 397081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEPENDS ON THE DIRECTORY I'M IN < 1301573139 440776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301573141 908086 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My PS1 is "\u@\h:\w$ " -- I'm such a lame-o. (A long time ago I had a multi-line colored prompt with all kinds of djiggamajigs in it.) < 1301573155 372130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's BASH TALK, those escapes are. < 1301573161 210498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT TAKES UP 2/3 OF THE LINE IF I'M IN Programs/PlanetoidMapGenerator, BUT THAT'S AN EXTREME CASE < 1301573162 628544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so's PS1. < 1301573166 699647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301573177 83055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE'S LESS FREE SPACE, ACTUALLY, BUT THE CLOCK DISAPPEARS IF I OVERWRITE IT < 1301573187 773346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how tab at the start of a line in zsh inserts a literal tab rather than listing the directories to cd to. < 1301573196 431123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, yay, literal tabs! I enter them in the shell all the time! < 1301573218 521864 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tab on an empty line here: "Display all 5218 possibilities? (y or n)" < 1301573225 44396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that's also so-useful. :p < 1301573252 609574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh has that nice thing where "cd foo bar" replaces foo with bar in the current path. I'm not quite sure what that's useful for, but it must be something. < 1301573269 293828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the "type a directory name to cd there"; that's undoubtedly nice. < 1301573274 763764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, zsh allows mmap-on-shell-level. < 1301573284 603190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHAT KIND OF SHELL DOESN'T < 1301573284 972014 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you never know when you want to run akonadi_nepomuktag_resource, but have forgotten what letter it started iwth. < 1301573297 289719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does bash? < 1301573306 362807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌┌(elliott@elliott-MacBookAir)┌(85/pts/25)┌(01:08pm:03/31/11)┌- < 1301573306 380650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :└┌(%:~)┌- ~ < 1301573309 180767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prompt elite2: a mistake? < 1301573319 853286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus some people have bad taste. < 1301573335 299575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▓▒░elliott@elliott-MacBookAir░▒▓██▓▒░ Thu Mar 31 01:08:40pm < 1301573335 484142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott> prompt ~ < 1301573341 81391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't see it, but there's a colour gradient there too. < 1301573354 876635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Thu 11/03/31 13:09 BST][pts/25][x86_64/linux-gnu/2.6.35-28-generic][4.3.10] < 1301573355 59442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1301573355 77352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh/2 93 % ~ < 1301573357 839567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MUCH INFORMATION DO YOU NEED < 1301573366 20424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU FORGET YOU'RE RUNNING A CERTAIN KERNEL VERSION EVERY PROMPT LINE < 1301573388 314129 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should put in disk space, CPU, network and memory usage. < 1301573481 746744 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Here, take this: http://twitpic.com/zxipd < 1301573491 337902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where'd you get this zshrc? < 1301573497 248730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This is just < 1301573501 45997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoload -U prompt < 1301573502 528876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :promptinit < 1301573504 377603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prompt < 1301573505 800480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1301573507 52765 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice the "you're in a Mercurial repo" symbol. < 1301573511 319279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Holy fucklecakes. < 1301573545 616827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the guy works for Agda. < 1301573579 916479 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure why ± significes a Git repo. < 1301573728 395728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's a tree in nethack with decgraphics. < 1301573732 283015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :git repos are made of trees. < 1301573733 21247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed. < 1301573755 353544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess that makes sense, somehow. < 1301573812 159866 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, me so slow: it's of course that ---/+++ git logo. < 1301573873 511035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of naturally. < 1301573891 736715 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think it should then be ∓ and not ±. (And why does both "+-" and "-+" compose to ±? Okay, because the latter is in latin-1 and the other one is just some U+2213 nonsense, but still.) < 1301573894 540415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHAT COLOURS ARE YOUR PROMPT < 1301573912 876716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm toying with a stylish bold blue for my path and bold black (i.e. dark grey) for my %. < 1301573920 114397 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My leet-prompt used to have oodles of dark grey in-between the meaty parts. < 1301573923 131424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just used a zshrc I got off the internet after a cursory examination to make sure it wasn't going to kill me or anything. < 1301573934 138645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This makes you a: bad. < 1301573944 447443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making my own now. < 1301574213 527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1301574220 54166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My zsh prompt was "[username:path] %". < 1301574222 192241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All in yellow, I believe. < 1301574254 825740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, I've no idea why zsh doesn't just make the prompt a function. < 1301574258 82115 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :[%! %F{blue}%n@%F{blue}%m %F{magenta}%30<...<%~ %F{red}%(?..!%?!)%f]%# --> PS1 :-\ < 1301574280 802804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: EXCUSE ME, THIS IS A TALK FOR ADULT ZSH USERS < 1301574283 509620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT BASHISTS < 1301574293 582973 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm - this is zsh < 1301574296 20963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :D < 1301574298 979049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always used PROMPT < 1301574314 993867 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: compatibility; there is a function that is run right before the prompt is set to change it < 1301574327 9688 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :also - I use PS1, because I also use PS2 and PS3 :-) < 1301574327 173421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compatibility, with that line, RIGHT :P < 1301574331 673138 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and RPS1) < 1301574338 953851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple-line prompts are like killing babies. < 1301574342 680705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an objective fact. < 1301574354 805568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH I dunno why I don't just install fish again :P < 1301574399 255341 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to patch zsh to correct to the longer instead of correcting to the equal < 1301574402 567355 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or less < 1301574409 157555 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie I want lss -> less; not ls < 1301574509 466345 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301574533 507506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that gives me lss16toppm here :-D < 1301574548 931262 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe. What is lss ? < 1301574556 263592 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm not tab complete - correction < 1301574560 60371 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :type lss < 1301574561 863495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DESCRIPTION < 1301574562 48844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : This manual page documents briefly the lss16toppm command. < 1301574562 66813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : The lss16toppm utility converts an LSS-16 image to a PPM image. < 1301574564 6209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even want to know < 1301574568 954512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: zsh: command not found: lss < 1301574570 142461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: huh < 1301574573 671688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: guess i didn't turn that on < 1301574584 250905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reruns compinstall
< 1301574586 354155 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah. setopt correct < 1301574592 221424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1301574611 78542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: correct 'lss' to 'ss' [nyae]? < 1301574623 549269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the "do it your fucking self" option :P < 1301574638 978039 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No command 'lss' found, did you mean: Command 'lsh' from package 'lsh-client' (universe) -- Command 'lsw' from package 'dwm-tools' (universe) -- Command 'lst' from package 'lustre-utils' (universe) -- Command 'less' from package 'less' (main) -- Command 'ls' from package 'coreutils' (main) -- Command 'lfs' from package 'lustre-utils' (universe) -- Command 'ass' from package 'irpas' (multiverse) -- Command 'lms' from package 'lms' (universe) -- Command 'les' fro < 1301574638 996223 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :m package 'atm-tools' (universe) -- Command 'lvs' from package 'lvm2' (main) -- Command 'lssu' from package 'nilfs2-tools' (universe) -- Command 'gss' from package 'libgss-dev' (universe) -- Command 'ss' from package 'iproute' (main) < 1301574639 416002 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you *don't* want that < 1301574659 596998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: name a command that will nuke my disk without asking first when invoked with no arguments :-P < 1301574703 172122 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas@pc112 ~% rn test.file < 1301574703 190301 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: correct 'rn' to 'rm' [nyae]? < 1301574719 181359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nyae sounds like olde english. < 1301574753 575947 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you using suicide Linux? < 1301574765 637952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: That sounds like a fun distro. < 1301574779 282464 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you heard of it before? < 1301574784 224782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1301574785 526751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1301574787 744499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301574793 93776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam Hughes. < 1301574812 202808 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you ever make a mistake when running it it runs rm -rf /* < 1301574814 55334 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1301574823 49007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should make an empty zsh line do an ls < 1301574828 925712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can just whack enter < 1301574843 654134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if only I knew how :p < 1301574914 773068 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is not that hard < 1301574933 584227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I'm also trying to figure out how to show some kind of white-on-red status code in RPROMPT if the last command exited non-zero :) < 1301574972 737155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1301574975 441058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do $() in them < 1301574983 663044 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in precmd() < 1301575002 821986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPROMPT='$([ $? = 0 ] || echo "oh noes!!")' < 1301575003 43006 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$*" contains the command just run < 1301575003 457166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1301575010 518872 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I like the way you did /* there to allow for the fact that most version of rm need a special param to delete / itself (on the basis that doing so is never useful) < 1301575017 624471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, that shows literally. < 1301575027 492068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: not true, it's useful for ... uhhh < 1301575035 15473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After that you’ll need to define the Zsh RPROMPT variable: < 1301575035 201045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPROMPT='$(battery_charge)'" < 1301575036 957699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this person lied to me < 1301575039 753176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it just has to be a function < 1301575041 184613 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm %(?..!%?!) does what you just did with $? < 1301575053 723037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUSHING NEW BOUNDARIES IN LINE NOISE < 1301575073 562513 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is #esoteric, you need a /lot/ of justification for a statement like that < 1301575084 690866 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: try precmd() { [[ -z "$@" ]] && ls } < 1301575122 662986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do background? if %F is foreground < 1301575164 4702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could google it :) < 1301575190 877788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could just use $bg[blah] i suppose < 1301575255 745047 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: its %K < 1301575263 415409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks < 1301575283 432475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPROMPT='%(%K{red}%F{white}%B%?%b%f)' < 1301575283 800992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's just nothingness :( < 1301575292 453082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that ? at the start is needed, but then it displays "K{red}" < 1301575321 192325 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for a white on read status code in propt < 1301575328 906882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: only if it's non-zero :) < 1301575337 439335 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah: I gave most of that to you < 1301575344 283382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i tried to adapt it :) < 1301575347 429523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have stuffed it up though < 1301575358 572490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo, now i got it close < 1301575377 149272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's only showing when zero :) hmm... < 1301575378 577408 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :%F{white}%K{red}%(?..!%?!) < 1301575434 727966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /does/ that last bit do anyway, I can guess %? but the rest... < 1301575469 62005 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :%? is the status. !! are literals the .. IIRC says non-zero < 1301575485 166189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice if it was just replaced with lisp :) < 1301575498 848396 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points elliott to emacs
< 1301575507 191572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: not a very good shell. < 1301575510 550614 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure some has written a complete-shell in emacs < 1301575514 39313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eshell < 1301575516 479057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very good < 1301575520 11815 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it? < 1301575521 108442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it also has coreutils-alikes) < 1301575529 320514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i prefer SOME modicum of posix compat :) < 1301575535 243692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not broken really < 1301575537 993626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just...naff < 1301575553 642670 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, you can do "sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" if you ever find a reason to delete the root dir < 1301575563 246073 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way that there is an option to do that if you really really want to < 1301575565 740720 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: not in FreeBSD < 1301575569 981164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: that doesn't work, you're a liar! i won't believe it until i can test it on your machine! < 1301575571 375853 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that's in GNU rm < 1301575579 286612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yes, if you run GNU rm on FreeBSD < 1301575608 272966 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, right - who else would do something so insanely stupid? < 1301575612 972333 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the BSD people's reasoning why special-casing rm -rf / was POSIX-compliant < 1301575623 297798 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh really? explain? < 1301575625 581913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: hey, i'm the only one allowed to complain about gnu here < 1301575630 585618 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there was an excuse < 1301575635 663767 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that POSIX allows you to special-case rm on the current directory, and a recursive rm on / necessarily hits the current directory < 1301575638 956242 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus is allowed to be special-cased < 1301575656 94863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1301575659 974198 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: link? < 1301575665 736076 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I don't have one offhand < 1301575667 176363 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301575667 620392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that logic, "rm -rf /usr" is disallowable if you're in /usr/local/ucb/vax < 1301575675 608120 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it probably is < 1301575680 522586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1301575697 27253 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what would happen to the current directory if it did work? < 1301575710 855791 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301575732 296182 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: its easy. < 1301575744 652842 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229075.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301575761 514801 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: try mkdir a && cd a && rm -rf ../a && cd . < 1301575761 843542 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :on most systems that last command would fail < 1301575772 238986 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the directory would have been deleted < 1301575778 895097 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: haha < 1301575788 431022 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the rm -rf would fail with "device busy" or something like that < 1301575810 540002 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is why daemons do a cd / as they daemonise, so you can delete the directory they were run from) < 1301575814 627916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I assumed the rm -rf would fail with "device busy" or something like that < 1301575817 778534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's windows thinking! < 1301575838 602854 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ISTR trying it before, but I forget exactly what happened < 1301575848 765582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, zsh is recording duplicate history lines < 1301575853 449566 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: remember on unix like systems the name and the data are different. On windows and other systems with file locking it won't let you do that < 1301575862 973780 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: setopt nohistdup < 1301575875 16186 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or setopt ignoredups or setopt ignorealldups < 1301575880 222260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301575882 259331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference? < 1301575884 104187 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I know, but you can't hardlink directories, so the problem doesn't come up < 1301575895 161250 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a; b; a is only ignored by the latter < 1301575901 919088 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :a; a; b by both < 1301575910 783028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301575969 50995 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: personally I don't expire all dups but I use hist_expire_dups_first < 1301575984 233728 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :also set setopt hist_reduce_blanks && setopt extended_history < 1301575989 225492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it's more that i kept hitting the up key and it kept showing me the same crap < 1301575994 312560 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm a little surprised they ignore the b < 1301575994 949617 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1301575997 271487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what i'd like is kind of a compromise: ignore repeated blocks of commands < 1301576009 52303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore "a; a", don't ignore "a; b; a", but ignore "a; b; a; b" < 1301576012 822961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's non-trivial to do < 1301576026 643229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extended_history? < 1301576046 986643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/.zshrc:setopt:27: no such option: ignoredups < 1301576051 59441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'm on an old version < 1301576063 977397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no nohistdup either < 1301576069 772685 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: `: :;'. instead of just the command < 1301576071 396587 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what you do is you compress it with gzip, then set all the repeat counts to 1, then uncompress it again < 1301576077 625221 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if that would actually work?) < 1301576079 344012 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry histignoredups < 1301576091 336791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: :D < 1301576100 458353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I'd like to try that on arbitrary data just to see the mayhem < 1301576105 419175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: do it to the gpl :) < 1301576118 92800 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: does gzip have any consistency checking? < 1301576121 596020 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have meant pkzip rather than gzip, you need to use the right compression algo for it to work < 1301576131 913014 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it may be one that doesn't actually exist < 1301576140 118193 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm not sure, but my guess is no as gzip is streamable < 1301576169 335800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, what would happen to the current directory if it did work? <-- would become invalid. But as long as the rm command is run from elsewhere it won't complain iirc. If you show the path in $PS1 and cd up it can become a little strange though. I seem to remember stuff like "~/tmp/foo/bar/.. $" when I removed foo there. and then cd .. from inside the now missing bar < 1301576170 641763 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. with the right command-line options, you can do tail -F logfile | gzip --something | zcat and get output before the tail command finishes < 1301576199 983254 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, I remember accidentally chmod a-rx .. or something along those lines < 1301576201 712274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes rm tends to complain about removing iirc < 1301576204 853784 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it caused similar beahaviour < 1301576208 154327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301576215 981430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why hasn't gnome-terminal taken note of the chsh yet < 1301576222 135761 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a CRC32 at the end of a gzip stream, but of course you don't need to wait for that if you don't want/care. < 1301576230 292071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's hardcoded the shell < 1301576241 274579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't you need to re-login for chsh to take effect? < 1301576272 251747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, are gnome sessions really tied to that? < 1301576284 234913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I don't know < 1301576289 316947 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :%rm . < 1301576289 481032 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: "." and ".." may not be removed < 1301576292 583523 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps login sets an environment variable < 1301576300 191371 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I am ALWAYS set < 1301576300 846840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, that is just in rm itself iirc < 1301576306 470785 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, I know < 1301576310 616437 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is / < 1301576312 706408 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gnome-terminal looks at it < 1301576317 102141 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$SHELL would make sense < 1301576336 182596 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SHELL=/usr/bin/zsh gnome-terminal" starts a zsh. < 1301576354 966070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, and I use a shell function wrapper for rm that catches stuff like rm -r * ~ < 1301576367 723316 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what specifically does it do? < 1301576378 853106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, sec. will pastebin it < 1301576383 778078 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have the shell do it < 1301576386 639205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's a way to tell the gnome session thingybob to change its environment vars :) < 1301576390 538469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, http://sprunge.us/cYgL < 1301576404 57542 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: rm *; zsh: sure you want to delete all the files in /home/.../a [yn]? < 1301576412 13166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, right. I use bash < 1301576421 507868 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rm is a function"? surely that would just delete ./is, ./a, ./function? < 1301576431 893245 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks ais523_
< 1301576437 251228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, that was the output from: type rm | sprunge < 1301576437 768662 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301576438 71028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301576441 796564 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aha < 1301576448 604715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, swatting is far too mild < 1301576450 449242 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what is sprunge? and why not use type? < 1301576454 729477 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1301576454 924692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION brutally injures variable
< 1301576462 798988 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* only typ < 1301576463 219542 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're catching rm * via RMGUARD? < 1301576464 888037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge is a nice pastebin. < 1301576467 501489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ < 1301576469 358260 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-208.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301576474 836927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, sprunge.us. And sprunge is http://sprunge.us/IWON :P < 1301576478 449894 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah. I use pastebinit (although that's broken now) < 1301576483 950967 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the trick of creating a file called -i, in the hope it comes first on the rm option line < 1301576490 587019 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not certain it does < 1301576498 54737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: bloat :) < 1301576498 546344 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could just change.... injuring me doesn't work < 1301576501 821993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/pastebinit$ ./pastebinit -l < 1301576501 839837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported pastebins: < 1301576501 839915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- sprunge.us < 1301576508 697718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pastebinit supports sprunge :P < 1301576517 83161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike many pastebins sprunge is very fast for me. pastebin.com often took multiple seconds to load < 1301576527 102924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for many other ones < 1301576550 412090 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/fixing-unix-linux-filenames.html < 1301576563 282052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how often Vorpal types rm -rf /home/arvid.
< 1301576571 954479 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: 99% of shell scripts Do It Wrong < 1301576579 792745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't. $HOME gets expanded in reading .bashrc I think < 1301576586 610962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, either that, or in printing it < 1301576590 283497 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I know, and I've written both shellscripts that do it wrong, and that do it right < 1301576604 735093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: pretty sure variable is referring to over-escaping as doing it wrong < 1301576606 61267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: i forget, does that article argue against spaces in filenames? or just newlines, dashes, etc.? < 1301576615 52272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the reason is, there is a risk of it getting expanded before it reaches the function. < 1301576615 559552 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what does it say about me that my home dir is /home/ais523, rather than using my own realname? < 1301576628 572168 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "$@" is normally correct if you're just trying to copy your command-line args to another program < 1301576633 245516 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't overescape or underescape < 1301576633 435822 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it passively mentions spaces - but generally argues against leading dashes, newlines, control characters, etc < 1301576634 32262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and your home dir has less than three files? < 1301576634 428581 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1301576637 182054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -I won't trigger? < 1301576644 31399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it's always correct, it's sh magic < 1301576647 857479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err? no? < 1301576654 845494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- sprunge.us ping statistics --- < 1301576655 7184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 11011ms < 1301576655 25189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 34.245/35.674/36.846/0.772 ms < 1301576657 223875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then the guard is pointless! < 1301576659 880773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I will already stop you < 1301576667 699071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? < 1301576670 361558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301576674 801805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Vorpal can't read his own function < 1301576684 96203 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can you paste your config files? I like seeing other people's functions and such. Gives me ideas < 1301576699 410347 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cat ./* > ../collection # CORRECT" < 1301576700 197256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (he's trying to get your passwords) < 1301576707 385991 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: your link is wrong, that fails on filenames with embedded newlines < 1301576709 585970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you talking about? the rm function looks fine to me < 1301576714 303154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: stop trolling < 1301576715 343284 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that the resulting collection file will have the wrong format < 1301576720 133810 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that trolling? < 1301576724 318514 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: read through it all. He talks about embedded newlines < 1301576729 259886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes, because the article specifically argues against that < 1301576748 604819 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I misread < 1301576751 144826 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muddled cat and echo < 1301576758 703139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do < 1301576758 888228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if [[ $arg == '~' ]] || [[ $arg == /home/arvid ]] || [[ $arg =~ RMGUARD ]]; then < 1301576758 906484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1301576759 75681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : command rm -I "$@" < 1301576765 448258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your home dir has less than three files, this offers no extra protection < 1301576767 981199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as -I already kicks in < 1301576796 668143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true, but check what rm -I says in the question. It doesn't list what files. < 1301576802 14563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it offers protection < 1301576805 941107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH N03Z < 1301576833 668901 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301576838 878214 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I like the mention of displaying filenames potentially being a security vulnerability < 1301576846 816943 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "correct", but I consider that a terminal bug rather than a sh bug < 1301576852 884506 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as all sorts of other things can trigger it < 1301576870 797904 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it isn't a terminal bug. The idea is that your displaying terminal control characters < 1301576875 590108 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it a filesystem bug < 1301576887 502953 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: but the same thing can happen if, say, you cat your Apache logfiles < 1301576891 389212 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone put escape codes in the referrer < 1301576894 226094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1301576897 189555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real bug is filesystems < 1301576898 495808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shells < 1301576900 163470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all of unix < 1301576904 51833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we stop debating now because i won >:D < 1301576909 827850 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that has nothing to do with filesystems or shells at all < 1301576910 709536 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: or a kernel bug. The system should *not* be allowing those chars in a filename < 1301576912 115230 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even UNIX < 1301576920 659179 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it's nothing to do with filenames! < 1301576925 901136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the need for quoting filenames in the first place, or the fact that this is even a thing that is being discussed, is Unix's fault < 1301576934 970070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore to continue talking about it you must justify Unix to me < 1301576936 526014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1301576939 940925 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read what I'm actually saying < 1301576940 91353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301576943 653247 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in fact talking about that < 1301576945 817067 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: if [ $RANDOM % 2 -eq 1 ]; then elliott == trolling; fi < 1301576959 736496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: wtf kind of command is elliott < 1301576974 479996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only half-trolling, the fact that this is even an issue is stupid :) < 1301576985 144709 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: you made me look to see if "elliott" was almost an anagram of "trolling" then, but the closest I get is "ttollie", which is not that similar < 1301576994 140928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just call me toilet < 1301577010 771867 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: questionably. I have my own ideas about what should be designed if we were to Do It Over. But that can't happen < 1301577031 455350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, you will run into a quoting problem as soon as you allow the shell argument separator char in filenames. So what do you suggest? Forbidding space and similar in filenames? Using another separator in the shell? (I completely agree that newlines shouldn't be allowed in filenames) < 1301577040 57293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: er - correct me if I'm wrong - < 1301577043 39529 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently mandb gets permanently corrupted if you create a manpage for an executable called "oo, ick" (without the quotes) < 1301577047 371065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: but did you just say that Unix derivatives will rule the world forever? < 1301577054 673037 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301577074 762740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, just that specific string? Or any other with comma and space? < 1301577079 250351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the next few decades, but not forever. COBOL hasn't died but it's certainly fallen. < 1301577086 379317 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet many people would argue that that's a perfectly sensible filename; Windows users do that sort of thing all the time < 1301577089 410842 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. I did say that I find it extremely unlikely that a complete departure from the current methods of doing things will take place < 1301577097 729779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: forever? < 1301577099 531959 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, that's the one it did crash on, in Debian < 1301577105 479137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301577114 529328 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lead to an argument between "mandb is broken, you should fix it" and "CLC-INTERCAL is much less important than mandb, you should just rename it" < 1301577116 667793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm just making sure you have a good idea of how long the infinite stretch of time you're saying we'll go without innovation will be < 1301577125 751819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an incredibly extraordinary claim < 1301577150 746981 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm hesitant to say so, but I would not be surprised if we never leave < 1301577151 74564 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott - innovation is not the issue AT ALL < 1301577160 232893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I'm hesitant to say so, but I would not be surprised if we never leave < 1301577160 876271 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is compatibility and expense of switching < 1301577165 50777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you just don't mean: in the next 50 years? < 1301577170 296509 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I expect UNIX derivatives to be used for as long as the concept makes sense, but I don't expect the concept to apply to non-obsolete technology forever < 1301577182 12875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, Basically they were claiming that mandb was a partial function? < 1301577184 948616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: let's say we don't go extinct and there's no singularity or anything and it's the year 3000 < 1301577187 594543 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ? < 1301577190 132038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think we'll still be using unix? < 1301577201 519148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, maybe not right English word < 1301577203 206233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1301577230 363104 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we will probably not be using unix. I would NOT be surprised if however there was some form of unix compatibility, or there are 'historical' filenames or whatnot. < 1301577246 786963 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes - this is 1000 years in the future < 1301577259 464094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, basically, it was undefined for some values in the domain (the set of valid filenames on that particular system) < 1301577261 44823 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Windows is /still/ compatible with CP/M, but that's only a few decades < 1301577264 937984 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 2989 but meh) < 1301577270 91700 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah < 1301577274 59868 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see mandb as a function < 1301577280 17325 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not saying we won't switch away ever < 1301577298 969603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: so in the year 1011 < 1301577299 771944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301577301 570361 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm saying that inertia is kind of strong. Same reason we still have little endian computers :-) < 1301577304 806787 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301577316 14154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not thousand-year strong. unix isn't that strong. or important. < 1301577330 844782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1011 < 1301577340 295563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure you understand the length of time involved here < 1301577371 552419 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I take back my claim. I never intended to defend it very strongly. < 1301577381 986547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying you should retract it < 1301577386 476976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just astonished that it was made < 1301577393 484057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and legitimately can't understand < 1301577394 62363 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was making a point about inertia < 1301577403 488204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1301577413 104987 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I hyperbolized too much < 1301577426 717861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the same time, I think people saying that we're stuck with the systems we have is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy < 1301577455 18416 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on IRC I don't speak very precisely; also - I'm not saying we are *stuck* - however I think that *any* attempt to switch must have some kind of transition layer < 1301577468 522542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what seems to be happening in other fields -- e.g. programming languages -- is that existing "mainstream" languages pick up features from the academic fringe after a few decades ball-of-mud style < 1301577469 742235 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I see that layer lasting *much* longer than intended < 1301577480 226848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, even if making a new OS is pointless, it's still valuable < 1301577493 473159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think x86 is unlikely to die for a long time. Sadly. Sure it will be extended, possibly to the point where it is hard to tell if it is still the same architecture. But unlikely to die soon. With soon here I'm talking about the next 10-15 years at least. < 1301577515 897616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 will be dead in 35 years. < 1301577517 771912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote me on that :) < 1301577538 586535 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Vorpal: if you were to have a chance to make *one* change (related to technology) what would it be? < 1301577544 222186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, impossible to make any sort of well founded prediction that far ahead I think... < 1301577549 130306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for this sort of thing < 1301577550 787772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: @ < 1301577567 604791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe you consider that too big to count as one change :)) < 1301577607 182046 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would pick "little endian" -> "big endian" < 1301577613 365791 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the cause for endless suffering < 1301577629 386283 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and large amounts of extra work (intel computer -> internet -> intel computer) < 1301577636 300058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1301577638 336438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :endianness? < 1301577656 314487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit i'm not a networking guy, but come on... it's just swab() < 1301577664 668722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, if related to computers: replace x86 with a saner architecture. Say something along the lines of PPC. If technology in general I would instead go for cars. Electric or other environmentally friendly technology to be used instead of the current fuels. < 1301577681 100320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the latter is already happening < 1301577683 651754 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was thinking computer specific .... < 1301577684 251337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hi i'm a genie what is your wish" < 1301577686 842102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to get older" < 1301577692 28342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gosh! Well that's already happening." < 1301577692 332463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but not as fast as we need it to happen < 1301577694 171713 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't only affect networking < 1301577697 798082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ha ha ha < 1301577705 449886 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: databases need to worry about it, streaming formats, etc < 1301577718 489318 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, it is confusing and a POLA violation < 1301577720 133185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, then what I said about replacing x86 < 1301577732 720999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :POLA? < 1301577734 541463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is "too late" already, the planet cannot be magically saved by moderately cutting emissions at this late a date. < 1301577747 402142 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Policy of Least Astonishment < 1301577752 434975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. I assumed retroactive change. < 1301577755 691908 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't even cars that are mostly responsible for emissions anyway, IIRC < 1301577760 75322 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :planes and ships are a lot worse < 1301577766 777102 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and power generation from fossil fuels < 1301577779 20417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You'd have to go waaaaaaaaay back for it to do any good. < 1301577783 224933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, one nice thing with little endian is that casting between, say, short and long, won't change the address. < 1301577787 741835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. < 1301577792 528124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway bioenegineering is pretty much a requirement at this point. < 1301577794 177031 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: moderately cutting emissions now increases the chance that we'll come across some amazing new technology that saves the planet < 1301577795 858281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not really a bad thing. < 1301577828 383551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: bioengineering is a perfectly practical and very promising solution, it's just not politically popular < 1301577837 318866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "green" is far more marketable < 1301577841 488004 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what specifically do you mean by the word? < 1301577842 201758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn down your washing machines! save the planet! < 1301577847 20261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you too* can have warm fuzzies! < 1301577877 39267 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, even if saving energy doesn't save the planet from global warming, it still helps a lot in reducing the amount of land needed for power generation and transport < 1301577908 807198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: that's not exactly the biggest issue... < 1301577921 679061 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is away
< 1301577930 455761 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'd be surprised < 1301577947 420681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well, no, not really :) < 1301577949 742982 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard enough finding places to put power stations without people getting angry and burning down the dovernment < 1301577956 901738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1301577960 806047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to assume you're being hyperbolic < 1301577999 149488 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*government < 1301578003 30422 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, 'twas just a typo < 1301578009 344429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I meant the burning down part. < 1301578043 429925 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of angry people going on demonstrations for no good reason around Birmingham at the moment < 1301578050 910680 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they aren't protesting against power generation in particular < 1301578062 627784 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, anyhing much in particular, except they generically don't like the government < 1301578068 120087 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They ARE burning down the Ministry of Doves though. < 1301578077 601649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: in fairness, the government is pretty crap < 1301578096 637656 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer it to the previous one, at least < 1301578107 665078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a lame comparison. < 1301578111 867884 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301578138 265260 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm annoyed at a) all the students who seem to dislike increases in tuition fees without even seeing what the alternative proposal was (it's actually exactly the same as the original, apart from using different names) < 1301578154 517925 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and b) people who think the government should just spend money it doesn't have and not increase taxes < 1301578156 362222 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so people are already in a competitive bidding mood in the libc.so auction ... I'm beginning to feel it may be prudent to put down my max early to discourage them. < 1301578211 994501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: wrt tuition fees, it _was_ a direct contradiction of a promise made by the lib dems < 1301578222 21707 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed it was < 1301578233 568479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be upset about. < 1301578233 851191 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the funny thing is, what the lib dems were proposing before hand was actually equivalent < 1301578239 884593 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is what labour are proposing now < 1301578287 324476 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the difference between "pay money upfront, you get a loan for it, you pay a percentage of your income to pay off a loan", and "don't pay money while a student, but afterwards you're taxed a certain proportion of your income until you've paid a certain amount" < 1301578298 388836 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, tuition fees, no tuition fees, but actually no difference at all < 1301578311 402023 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone seems to have missed it < 1301578328 733088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the pay money upfront bit is the relevant difference. < 1301578336 486557 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't, because you get a loan for it < 1301578346 262879 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that in the second case, you're still effectively going into debt < 1301578351 459473 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the money isn't called a loan < 1301578372 223001 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual difference is that in the first case, if you can afford to you can pay without the loan, and save money in the long run that way; in the second case you can't < 1301578448 696339 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only the politicians had pointed this out, it could have saved a lot of trouble, but instead they were trying to use the distinction to score election points < 1301578473 543088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: counterpoint: EMA < 1301578488 96468 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as compared to? < 1301578507 316054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know why i said counterpoint there < 1301578508 981508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired. < 1301578586 226389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey df does seem to have that sort of bookmark I was wondering about before < 1301578712 934100 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: df(1)? dwarf fortress? something else? < 1301578722 629627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, dwarf fortress < 1301578769 366247 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, how do you delete your RMGUARD files? rm ./RMGUARD? unlink RMGUARD? < 1301578782 210325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm --no-really RMGUARD < 1301578785 728969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, command rm RMGUARD < 1301578788 585564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work < 1301578794 426346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: alternate answer < 1301578803 524363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: he actually modified his fs to put fake RMGUARDs in every directory < 1301578806 860328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Windows does < 1301578809 697884 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlink(1) would work too, I think < 1301578819 498454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, probably < 1301578825 751604 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or unlink(2), but that would require writing a program < 1301578834 759807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't < 1301578835 316401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-repl < 1301578901 506452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I haven't been using the RMGUARD feature a lot though. I added it in, then used it in a few places. < 1301578942 458691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most places where typoing rm *~ as rm * would risk happening, would already be under version control. < 1301578956 902323 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301578969 360733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, another obvious way is: mv RMGUARD foo; rm foo < 1301578993 621157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, besides you will notice I used a regex match there. Without anchors. < 1301579005 138827 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set Emacs to backup to a different directory < 1301579022 664284 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly so that rm *~ was something that I rarely actually wanted to type < 1301579028 176628 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reduces the chance of typing it incorrectly < 1301579031 770609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, meh, I use many different editors. I don't think all supports that. Never seen such an option in kate for example < 1301579057 684263 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I use many different editors, I mostly use Emacs for important things < 1301579062 529208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I use both kate and emacs, (depends on what language), it would just be confusing if only one put the backups elsewhere < 1301579065 429950 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm going to go back to my office now < 1301579069 792782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1301579073 214423 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1301579521 204240 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301579780 565636 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301579975 230477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, was at dentist. < 1301580016 338105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UN < 1301580016 999532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR < 1301580017 926479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1301580018 664865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIVABLE < 1301580027 441970 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I'm in my office, with my laptop next to me < 1301580029 820334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT TURNS OUT MY TEETH ARE, LIKE, FINE < 1301580033 725200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ALSO UNFORGIVABLE < 1301580038 353180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APOLOGISE PLEASE < 1301580038 735257 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and connecting with my desktop because the wireless here is stupid < 1301580054 140109 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my work desktop, it's not "mine" < 1301580054 489206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold black is a really terrible dark grey < 1301580112 136213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: try precmd() { [[ -z "$@" ]] && ls } < 1301580113 60549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for this btw < 1301580114 107184 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301580115 288383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just noticed it :D < 1301580137 628907 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does that ls before every command that takes no arguments? < 1301580140 869560 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have I misread that? < 1301580142 565234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work, but < 1301580150 154390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it should ls whenever you enter an empty command < 1301580157 391296 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1301580164 254226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can just whack enter to see a file listing < 1301580171 680286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the useless default of doing nothing < 1301580180 538353 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default of doing nothing isn't useless < 1301580188 176372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1301580190 953670 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very useful if the last command you end produced output that didn't end with a newline < 1301580196 509802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, eys < 1301580197 990959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1301580201 338071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case you can do ";" < 1301580202 267507 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you supposed to do in that situation otherwise? press control-C? < 1301580240 527391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: i don't think precmd gets the command < 1301580243 495073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it runs before the _prompt_ < 1301580259 717803 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301580315 925679 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the page linked from proggit about about:blank is great < 1301580322 515463 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining why it's so hard to render < 1301580342 56792 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(summary: most pages show about:blank until the rendering starts, you obviously can't do that with about:blank itself so you need special-casing) < 1301580369 186816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yep < 1301580386 815590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hsivonen is a source of much wtfy info :) < 1301580408 689714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: one person in the comments said they didn't trust the author's opinions on rendering because, among other things, the markup was wrapped at 80 columns "for no reason" < 1301580415 898742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cried and then committed suicide < 1301580420 714186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i got better) < 1301580431 111406 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301580450 86295 :cheater99!~cheater@g231048021.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301580453 872866 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an argument about wrapping code at 80 recently, although I can't remember why < 1301580464 460844 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said 80 was a nice width for fitting two programs side by side on a screen < 1301580475 261442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh, I don't inherently like it < 1301580485 738299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: but dismissing someone because they do it is unforgivable < 1301580488 144134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1301580536 874671 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301580677 327221 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Slashdot's also decided that the Samsung keylogger thing is a false positive < 1301580741 716401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Samsung keylogger thing? < 1301580768 425519 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of media sites decided Samsung were installing keyloggers on new PCs < 1301580779 706686 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although most of them have since retracted the claims < 1301580788 115478 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being vaguely sarcastic about it in #esoteric earlier < 1301580821 444910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What grounds did they base this on? < 1301580834 395911 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an antivirus program found a folder with a particular name < 1301580837 856355 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't check its contents < 1301580850 296585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indicting. < 1301580917 606454 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILTY UNTIL PROVED INNOCENT < 1301580938 356600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who in their right mind goes from that to keylogging? < 1301580946 422549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *proven < 1301580953 774773 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe < 1301580966 130661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your letters, they are wrong. < 1301580977 54773 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You haven't proved that. < 1301580989 545411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Tell Gregor he's speaking the wrong language. < 1301581006 877558 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you know it's not everyone else who's speaking the wrong language? < 1301581013 714571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: because his language sucks < 1301581042 100150 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language that has the past tense of "prove" consistent with nearly every other past tense verb in the language? :P < 1301581062 71774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :English: a consistent language. < 1301581075 506680 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language sucks because it's more consistent than yours? < 1301581085 539140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistent English is ugly English :P < 1301581098 350541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, -en is used in several places, IIRC. < 1301581118 709045 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me several attempts to properly write a NetHack patch a while ago because of the distinction between "drawn" and "drew" < 1301581126 869339 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code assumed the same word would work in both contexts < 1301581132 950014 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Several, not nearly every. < 1301581161 698222 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike eated and beated, proved is a commonly-accepted alternative to proven. In fact my spelling dictionary doesn't like "proven" < 1301581182 682233 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, vaguely on-topic: how do non-Americans here pronounce "joust", as in "BF Joust"? < 1301581185 86571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, any assumption that American English is "logical" is stupid. < 1301581208 604950 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the American pronunciation is almost certainly along the same lines as "route") < 1301581214 209141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, "jowst"? < 1301581215 289705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I beated the shit out of your spelling. < 1301581236 779197 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I pronounce it more like "juiced", and a friend of mine said that that was ridiculous < 1301581237 294980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: djyooz't < 1301581248 315370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lying < 1301581250 753551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jowst" < 1301581257 111517 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch :( < 1301581266 119179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, you're basically an AMERICAN < 1301581266 476091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1301581270 498867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL YOURSELF NOW < 1301581276 474836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A convincing argument! < 1301581283 142801 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: don't you have it backwards? < 1301581290 344665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, NO < 1301581292 51932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA: /dʒaʊst/ SAMPA: /dZaUst/ < 1301581292 69868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhymes: -aʊst < 1301581295 765703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--[[wikt:joust]] < 1301581295 962676 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be the only person in the world, American or not, who doesn't use the American pronunciation < 1301581302 868030 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does that make me American? < 1301581303 449614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Root → rowt is not a trend. < 1301581303 467590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that means we win. < 1301581312 539506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: THERE IS NO AMERICAN PRONUNCIATION THERE IS JUST THAT PRONUNCIATION < 1301581317 150653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, *it's not the America pronunciation.* < 1301581325 359854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover can Actually Joust, I therefore name him the authority. < 1301581325 732683 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so how is it pronounced in American? < 1301581328 51666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*You're extrapolating from a single word.* < 1301581335 770795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: btw that doesn't work as precmd doesn't actually seem to get the last command in $@ < 1301581340 996540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*American < 1301581384 477134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, it's pronounced "jowst" in America as well, I should think. < 1301581394 610164 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, indeed < 1301581396 388342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't just change all the pronunciations to annoy us. < 1301581399 5905 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's an American pronunciation < 1301581405 261995 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be a British pronunciation too < 1301581413 214527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301581425 39133 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's absurd to say something can't be pronounced a particular way in American English just because it's pronounced that way in British English < 1301581428 629531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you should drop these things to avoid giving Phantom_Hoover a heart attack < 1301581617 988424 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1301581904 812569 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1301581917 283671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Maan, precmd. < 1301581956 355493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody Chinese, flaunting their fancy IPv6 connections. < 1301581961 849836 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301582233 933628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's the zsh prompt-set command? < 1301582242 156854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wha? < 1301582254 748847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301582257 844823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that lets you change the prompt. < 1301582277 373078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1301582297 763012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS, the thing you used. < 1301582303 350083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use anything... < 1301582311 966883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you set it, then? < 1301582339 970331 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301582339 988236 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301582339 988367 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301582368 288494 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : variable: btw that doesn't work as precmd doesn't actually seem to get the last command in $@ ---> I duno. I didn't try it. Try playing around with precmd and preexec < 1301582387 298768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I did; preexec executes for everything but the empty string. AFAICT precmd doesn't actually get the previous command :/ < 1301582411 936969 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does precmd execute on the empty string? < 1301582416 650568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301582421 629803 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you could do is get preexec to set a flag, and precmd to check if it was set < 1301582428 185715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301582432 344598 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if you get precmd withotu a matching preexec, the null string must have been entered < 1301582522 633207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: works, horribly :) < 1301582528 372943 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1301582529 115180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it needs a hack so that it doesn't ls on zsh startup < 1301582542 135356 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zsh sets some flag on startup IIRC < 1301582545 518842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1301582545 712667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local executed=false < 1301582545 730678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : preexec() { executed=true } < 1301582545 730894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : precmd() { < 1301582545 731001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $executed || l < 1301582546 615144 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie "rc files running" < 1301582548 683016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : executed=false < 1301582550 534268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1301582552 387640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1301582554 468564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 43,1 Bot < 1301582554 920999 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you paste your config files? < 1301582556 321792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ lexical scoping! < 1301582558 769752 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you too < 1301582578 380111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: my config file is just a bunch added by the installer thing, plus a few aliases, prompt, and that, but ok :P < 1301582608 254428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how did you set the prompt? < 1301582609 561165 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe ok. I try to get ideas from other people. I don't spend much time customizing most things - but I'm in my shell - a lot < 1301582613 575564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: PROMPT=... < 1301582623 607574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mentioned some shell thing... < 1301582623 771662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: http://sprunge.us/LAIQ < 1301582651 604402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nicks elliott's prompt.
< 1301582665 878378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: but this is likely to expand since i've just switched back to zsh :) < 1301582668 448519 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: [%! %F{blue}%n@%F{blue}%m %F{magenta}%30<...<%~ %F{red}%(?..!%?!)%f]%# --> try this one :-) < 1301582675 665422 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe ok < 1301582683 537194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(been using stock bash for god knows how long) < 1301582702 725704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: correct 'Code' to 'od' [nyae]? < 1301582707 181840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think I like this autocorrect thing :D < 1301582722 12589 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could use 'nocorrect' for certain commands < 1301582729 982771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, if I just initialise executed to true < 1301582730 713029 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :like alias mkdir='nocorrect mkdir' < 1301582730 730941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila < 1301582734 841750 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301582736 835751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :works on startup < 1301582747 368846 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should run the installer :-p
< 1301582754 20117 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatzilla crashed again :-( < 1301582754 392360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice :) < 1301582762 732944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should also write my own cd < 1301582765 697534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it lses after that too < 1301582769 221996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably i should just have an ls pane :D < 1301582773 508437 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. There's some slightly crazy Corewar Fanfic here http://annesophiecc.tumblr.com/post/4190311225/v8-fb-corewar (in French) < 1301582799 228315 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why do you want blank == ls? < 1301582814 46955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: because I seem to ls a lot... even when my mind just blanks out for a bit :D < 1301582819 223668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION Google translates
< 1301582826 746316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i ls a lot to get my bearings when navigating around < 1301582834 709306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i never deliberately just hit enter :P < 1301582869 431199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems like entering a dir as a cmd to auto-cd doesn't invoke cd command :/ < 1301582873 314191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for more postcmd hackery < 1301582879 430532 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You said you'd pay me to shut up about libc.so < 1301582885 413389 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVEN'T SHUT UP ABOUT IT < 1301582888 560874 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONSIDER PAYING :P < 1301582897 83997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I DEMAND TEN EMAILS < 1301582911 40017 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: $200 < 1301582916 259750 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what's libc.so? ;-) < 1301582916 409792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NO DEAL < 1301582922 824819 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what is the auction up to? < 1301582927 398734 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: new domain < 1301582930 343547 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I'm trying to get the domain name libc.so. < 1301582935 419496 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TOO BAD THEN < 1301582939 906731 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: a) the filename of the most important library on a typical Linux system; b) a domain name that Gregor's in the auction for < 1301582940 537360 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: $310 < 1301582944 431592 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: My $310 < 1301582946 708594 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME
< 1301582957 913942 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's trying to persuade people to donate money to help him buy it < 1301582961 714908 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a good domain name.
< 1301582962 472691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, pfft, that's not the most important libraryl < 1301582982 864638 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is? < 1301582988 451934 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you sure http://libc.so is worth $310? < 1301582989 589995 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're arguing that libc isn't the most important library even though literally every other library and binary in a typical ELF Unix system depends on it? < 1301582993 478242 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: More. < 1301583006 278583 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Also, malloc@libc.so alone is worth $310 :P < 1301583008 128505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll pay more if you get libc.a < 1301583012 256807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about that one that actually does dynamic linking? < 1301583014 989792 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :-\ < 1301583017 496459 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.a isn't a TLD < 1301583025 10447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: create a country for the purpose, then < 1301583026 493216 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Doesn't have a consistent name across Unixen. < 1301583036 625795 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME
< 1301583036 788896 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME
< 1301583036 927863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said Linux. < 1301583049 618323 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HE said Linux. /I/ say Unix. < 1301583057 489029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: you too <-- config files? That is rather unspecific... < 1301583068 211814 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way you're assuming I'm male < 1301583073 261439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, and I was talking to HIM < 1301583074 31319 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ccTLDs are two letters, aren't they? < 1301583081 703473 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your bash config files from above? < 1301583084 764472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: BAH < 1301583089 21302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* variable WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME < 1301583090 499696 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: No, I'm assuming you're Alex Smith. < 1301583090 812604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, yes, what with the fact that photos of you are on your damn Google results. < 1301583091 61500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variab.le < 1301583097 582468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way you assumed I assumed. < 1301583104 381578 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know you know I'm male < 1301583104 974391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, ah. You mean the .bashrc. Right. < 1301583107 779677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1301583109 266930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's just a really, really manly girl. < 1301583111 675861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a beard. < 1301583112 358109 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the assumption is still vaguely offensive < 1301583121 356457 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah < 1301583124 760012 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, searching for "alex smith" mostly doesn't find me, it's a very common name < 1301583126 333892 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Fuck off, English has no living neuter pronoun. < 1301583127 255218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, the assumption from the *evidence*. < 1301583130 78469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they < 1301583139 485644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which *both me and Gregor know*. < 1301583147 647977 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: .le doesn't exist < 1301583153 728139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: THEN FIX THAT < 1301583155 757507 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains < 1301583160 366102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS, we *all* know about you winning that prize, and that plastered pictures of you *everywhere*. < 1301583162 121532 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BLEH I SAY :P < 1301583172 42756 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it plastered one picture of me everywhere < 1301583177 541349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to be self-righteous, please at least make sure it's *justified*. < 1301583182 786675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: two! < 1301583192 576137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, same applies to pedantry. < 1301583195 130717 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are two different pictures of me plastered everywhere? < 1301583195 195248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that ridiculous one in the guardian article < 1301583201 419669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok, not plastered < 1301583204 126527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was ridiculous < 1301583205 65748 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I forgot that one < 1301583208 972275 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it was ridiculous < 1301583210 819835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, nah, it is just the rm thing, loading ssh-agent data, and setting a PS1 basically. < 1301583223 413199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: please tell me you were intentionally doing your best "wtf is this" face < 1301583226 44033 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its annoying that programming .com .org .info .co.uk .us .co .in .eu .biz are all owned by domain squatters :-( < 1301583227 489497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the sprunge command < 1301583237 974928 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Also you must be really really poor to think that $310 is so much money X-D < 1301583254 591990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, he's a student, so... < 1301583258 357303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, for reference, here is my PS1: '\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\] ' < 1301583261 509943 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one on the Wolfram site was taken by a Wolframite who happened to be in Birmingham at the time and decided to meet with me; the newspaper one was taken by a journalist who went their deliberately and tried to find some technology-y thing, and I was in an EE department at the time, and they found a box of wire...) < 1301583261 965858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: .biz? < 1301583266 596387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: .biz is entirely squatters < 1301583279 707304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HA HA THE EXPLOITED WORKING CLASS *MONOCLE* < 1301583281 192318 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the purpose of a TLD that was entirely squatters? < 1301583287 379201 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what's the point of squatting it? < 1301583288 292380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ask whoever created .biz < 1301583293 501612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not squatters < 1301583295 244168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but spammers and shit < 1301583298 771516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :viagra < 1301583300 752576 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that makes more sense < 1301583304 262657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that ais523_ and Gregor are both perfectly capable of being obnoxious. < 1301583311 382512 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might squat a domain in the hope that spammers buy it from you < 1301583326 18130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what if you squatted a domain in the hopes that another squatter will buy it off you? < 1301583340 280352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: (this is also known as: the stock market) < 1301583340 433572 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as for the "wtf is this" face, it was "intentional" in the sense that that was my thoughts at the time < 1301583348 892738 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a bubble, clearly < 1301583355 349894 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: define:TIL < 1301583364 33024 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your opinion on the market valuing Apple higher than Microsoft? < 1301583368 680002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Tiaras Ingratiatingly Lessen < 1301583368 730130 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: today I learnt, mostly seen on Reddit < 1301583383 347517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it probably means that apple are squatting a really good domain < 1301583387 482205 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: *learned elliott: PROBLEM? < 1301583392 866124 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha < 1301583394 931324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say viagrac1alisbusinesspillz348usaedu.biz < 1301583396 230360 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: (That was really at elliott :P ) < 1301583399 398734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most trustworthy < 1301583424 225206 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Microsoft are squatting wingtiptoys.com and tailspintoys.com, surely those are worth something? < 1301583445 474800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $executed && ([[ $here = $HOME ]] || [[ $last_directory = $here ]]) || { < 1301583446 969697 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will be in the New World Order when shoes are toys. < 1301583448 635197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with this logic... < 1301583453 109156 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of using example.com, example.net, etc., Microsoft actually maintain two domains for the purpose of using them as examples, presumably in an effort to violate standards for no good reason) < 1301583478 168351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It's all part of their Evil Initiative. < 1301583482 679448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose purpose is to be evil. < 1301583486 287174 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wingtipshoes don't sound particularly useful < 1301583492 919852 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tailspinshoes sound very dizzy-inducing < 1301583502 437649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ooh ooh ooh i should make preexec and precmd execute every element in a list of functions for extensibility! < 1301583502 806848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1301583506 188004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've started Zsh Thinking < 1301583511 839757 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301583518 849750 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ... wing tip shoes are a kind of shoes. < 1301583525 866471 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: seriously? < 1301583526 979040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : but Microsoft are squatting wingtiptoys.com and tailspintoys.com, surely those are worth something? <-- wait what? < 1301583529 280431 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm - you could already do that < 1301583530 551931 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's their purpose? < 1301583534 776813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yes! i know! < 1301583537 183397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it would be magical! < 1301583537 653581 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: typeset -A precmd or something like that < 1301583538 534242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quick, implement zhhtpd and get it out of your system! < 1301583538 688475 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I'm sorry that the poor working class is unaware of wing tip shoes. < 1301583543 363037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NO < 1301583545 697321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zch2 < 1301583550 329184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *exploited < 1301583556 241168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a zch1? < 1301583556 737179 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, thank you < 1301583560 943046 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I'm sorry that the poor exploited working class is unaware of wing tip shoes. < 1301583562 782813 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: $310 is several month's worth of transport < 1301583572 913004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transport to the COAL MINES < 1301583584 928308 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you can't fit a bus in a coal mine < 1301583600 401815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not executed, or here isn't home and last directory isn't here, blah. < 1301583602 254720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301583604 847741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to invert that < 1301583611 518562 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It's also half a plane ticket to anywhere interesting, and about three weeks' meals. Your point? < 1301583616 819380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : nah, you can't fit a bus in a coal mine <-- you can however in some iron mines. < 1301583618 955245 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301583624 133031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(~p \/ q) = p /\ ~q < 1301583631 730545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :executed or not (here isn't home and last directory isn't here) < 1301583632 615822 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: would you rather eat for three weeks, or buy a domain name? < 1301583638 203978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, probably not double deckers or articulated ones though < 1301583644 146846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :executed or (here is home or last directory isn't here) < 1301583647 296993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :executed or here is home or last directory isn't here < 1301583653 40684 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I have the money to eat for three weeks and buy hundreds of domain names and still be in the black. < 1301583655 78865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is here < 1301583656 370262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, Gregor is OLD, remember? < 1301583663 824454 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely ais523_ is older than me :P < 1301583667 738291 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: then why are you asking for donations? < 1301583674 77250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...lolno < 1301583677 263248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ is like 14. < 1301583682 470970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301583683 823677 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 23, almost 24 < 1301583684 941228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FACTUAL FACTS FOR FACTICIANS) < 1301583689 847231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's completely impossible to determine someone's age here. < 1301583699 333699 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: my age is a matter of public record < 1301583699 356496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, assuming they're regular. < 1301583701 434212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. for instance, I'm 42. < 1301583708 845397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, from their behaviour. < 1301583709 156846 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Because buying all these domain names would not put me in the red, but it would hurt a lot and not be good for lifelong finances :P < 1301583729 602474 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I've still got a budget to balance here. < 1301583734 512491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, this code never worked in the first place < 1301583749 510361 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Schrödinbug? < 1301583754 262380 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besides, people are getting sweet email addresses for their donations :P < 1301583759 613857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just turns out that the other broken code i had was triggering instead < 1301583763 322051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i don't know why this isn't executing < 1301583771 459761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301583778 497139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1301583794 132367 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: part of my issue is that it's sufficiently difficult to send money over the Internet that I don't even try < 1301583806 668222 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still owed $10 from a couple of internet-friends of mine, but haven't asked for it as I couldn't figure out how < 1301583827 817004 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I don't need donations from everyone, but I also don't need for you to be questioning the wisdom of my rather-silly-but-infinite-geek-cred purchase :P < 1301583862 983954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $executed && ([[ $last_directory = $here ]] || [[ $here = $HOME ]]) || { < 1301583864 70168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESS < 1301583876 185923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's try and remove that ugly nesting < 1301583892 918423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~(p \/ q) = ~(~p /\ ~q) < 1301583900 649053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(last directory != here && here = home) < 1301583902 316345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(last directory != here && here != home) < 1301583902 874238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1301583903 798811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301583912 17163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301583913 765850 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need the ~~ at all? < 1301583914 51537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just expands back < 1301583914 421139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1301583914 977655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301583916 275912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm dumb < 1301583920 1994 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you using a logic where it has a meaning? < 1301583932 924823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I just want to turn p /\ (q \/ r) into something flat with sh's precedence < 1301583937 6430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's ugly < 1301583954 649863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the logic is broken < 1301583987 934279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!executed \/ (last directory != here /\ here != home) < 1301583991 639813 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upon examining the so-called Edible Arrangements paradox, economists worldwide have abandoned many of the ideas that have dominated economic thought since the time of Adam Smith, arguing that the forces of supply and demand are powerless to explain the company's 45-piece line of officially licensed NASCAR-themed fruit bouquets. < 1301584020 898805 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301584039 793825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1301584046 665911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not executed, do this. < 1301584053 339737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else if last directory is not here and here is not home, do the same. < 1301584062 192556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (not executed) or (last directory is not here and here is not home), do this. < 1301584065 792008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW HARD IS THIS, ZSH < 1301584551 498706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (! $executed) || ([[ $last_directory != $here ]] && [ $here != $HOME ]) < 1301584555 391983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: does this logic make sen. < 1301584557 55850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense. < 1301584573 184818 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm not paying attention < 1301584600 792148 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [[ has && < 1301584617 586268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Would be relevant if it was even triggering properly :P < 1301584641 368151 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :() are subshells, I'm not sure if that would matter there < 1301584649 218595 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301584653 91076 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone ever truly not paying attention, or just distributing it widely enough that the nonlinearity of succeeding at thinking makes it *seem* like they're not paying any attention at all < 1301584653 935758 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's $executed < 1301584665 534263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has been bugging me for seconds < 1301584715 770096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1301584715 788190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local executed=true < 1301584715 788340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local last_directory=$(pwd) < 1301584715 788446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : preexec() { executed=true } < 1301584715 788549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : precmd() { < 1301584716 324896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : local here=$(pwd) < 1301584718 178440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (! $executed) || ([[ $last_directory != $here ]] && [ $here != $HOME ]) < 1301584720 217182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : then < 1301584722 440691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ls < 1301584724 298051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : executed=false < 1301584726 150532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : last_directory=$here < 1301584728 188578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fi < 1301584730 228837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1301584732 268761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1301584734 307430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Perhaps it does matter < 1301584742 486971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intention is that entering a blank line causes a ls anywhere, and the directory changing to anywhere but $HOME causes an ls < 1301584750 583911 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably because they're local, it matters? < 1301584753 388237 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I never use locals < 1301584755 190194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably < 1301584764 482791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does [[ have ( too :P < 1301584784 926427 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test does, so I'd imagine [[ does < 1301584801 386965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/.zshrc:44: parse error near `)' < 1301585154 465062 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.459 blocks used by APNIC during March. < 1301585259 870488 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I just updated [[BF Joust strategies]] with slowpoke < 1301585270 564767 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the description is much, much shorter than that of waterfall3, as it's a much simpler program < 1301585316 209876 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Eventually I will get around to DEFEATING YOU < 1301585318 306004 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eventually) < 1301585354 113220 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301585402 761183 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I seriously hope slowpoke is defeatable, and by a rather different style of program < 1301585407 106356 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we'll have to change the rules if it isn't < 1301585413 49492 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been on top of the leaderboard long enough < 1301585450 377060 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Nobody's really bothered though. < 1301585462 934207 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are bothered periodically < 1301585471 255639 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want an invincible program to repel everyone next time < 1301585472 674126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!BFJOUST PERIODICALLY >>>>DIE SLOWPOKE((%(% < 1301585485 704775 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, my next project will be trying to beat slowpoke with a defence program < 1301585492 608401 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't specialcased just against it < 1301585495 521024 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the hope that it's possible < 1301585517 970690 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear it's impossible to completely defeat timer clears with defence, but you could slow them down quite a lot < 1301585560 37635 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+++((+)*128(-)*128)*10000 < 1301585573 669241 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 3.8 < 1301585574 217426 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that'll do well, but I want to see how it fails < 1301585605 773235 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, beating tripwire avoiders, drawing to defence, nicely inevitable < 1301585670 652871 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/breakdown.txt is a lot more promising, thoguh < 1301585672 102005 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1301585675 381911 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at all those draws < 1301585686 359240 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New depletion estimate: Wednesday April 13th < 1301585732 224918 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I do it on my flag? < 1301585754 878661 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble +++((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301585759 26207 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 11.8 < 1301585782 147179 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049215.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301585787 415428 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather worse < 1301585806 982993 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird < 1301585813 333007 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble ((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301585818 244766 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 12.3 < 1301585891 457646 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.229.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301585910 546584 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+++++<((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301585915 497967 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 13.0 < 1301585929 806077 :cheater99!~cheater@g231048021.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301586081 366165 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+[]<((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301586086 483764 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 8.0 < 1301586121 955653 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+<(-)*125>[]<((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301586127 129876 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 11.3 < 1301586162 639950 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+>+++++<<(-)*125>[]<((-)*128(+)*128)*10000 < 1301586167 619586 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 16.1 < 1301586170 233047 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301586338 651755 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_rumble >+>+++++<<(-)*125>[]<((+)*120(.)*16(-)*120(.)*16)*10000 < 1301586341 672299 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__slow_rumble: 13.7 < 1301586444 666951 :ais523__!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301586515 215007 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301586599 671686 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301586851 804264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523__: ridiculous fact of the week: screen is a program that compiles vt100 (and more) codes to vt100 codes < 1301586859 762376 :ais523__!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it is < 1301586867 396462 :ais523__!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 NICK :ais523_ < 1301586870 513449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's literally a terminal emulator that only has a terminal output, which is just hilarious) < 1301586879 743154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1301586903 204949 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet every time I say it would be nice to have a graphical frontend for screen, people say "durp you mean konsole lololol" < 1301586933 920041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, yeah, they're fairly correct :P < 1301586934 732452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. how is it hilarious? < 1301586950 933742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that screen isn't all that special, it just happens to be the most full-featured terminal as far as organisation goes < 1301586955 809546 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The point is if it was a graphical frontend for screen, I could DETACH IT, leave, then screen -r from SSH < 1301586963 583233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "I wrote a Python compiler. It takes a Python program and outputs the same Python program" < 1301586964 882508 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why people don't get that that's the whole fucking benefit of screen is beyond me. < 1301586965 989864 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC up 0.03: 512+3x256 to Australia, 3x128k+64k+2x256 to China, 256+/48+/32 to Hong Kong, 128k+32k to India, 1k to Philippines. < 1301586972 511335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But it goes through an AST in-between, and does all kinds of analysis on it" < 1301586976 461504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Then spits out the original AST" < 1301586981 964890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: dtach :P < 1301586986 613246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But yah. < 1301586989 353377 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, APNIC released resevations on reseved blocks. < 1301587022 720851 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, you're damn right the GUI would basically be like konsole. Except then, you could actually get to your consoles without friggin' VNC < 1301587025 133767 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rage* < 1301587030 695127 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU LIBC.SO RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE < 1301587062 406983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use screen locally...why would you need vnc to use it. i am tres confused by gregor's complaints < 1301587095 898924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i am confused why people think the ability to detach terminal sessions from terminals is the only purpose of screen < 1301587096 725037 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What I want is a graphical frontend for screen. Just something a little bit nicer than running screen in xterm, that can show me which screens are open in a tab-like layout etc. < 1301587114 578917 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: To me, having multiple screens and being able to detach are of equal benefit. < 1301587133 303073 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that'd be alright i guess < 1301587153 610329 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet it doesn't exist? Why? Because if you mention the possibility, people say "lol just use konsole durp" < 1301587183 694320 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: what were they reserved for? emergencies? < 1301587186 896411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also because that's work. < 1301587188 729759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ipv6 transition < 1301587197 365310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine a trivial modification to konsole would be exactly what you want though < 1301587198 259001 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and were they used for that purpose? < 1301587203 896139 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just to delay ipv4 meltdown another few days? < 1301587265 616955 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Trivial except it has to speak the screen protocol :P < 1301587284 884424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: trivial < 1301587285 840919 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those blocks were considered too polluted before or something like that. < 1301587384 140820 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301587384 201004 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301587384 201136 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301587616 867318 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301587723 273663 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust consistency http://sprunge.us/JJcX. < 1301587727 561954 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__consistency: 4.2 < 1301587729 100609 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, I didn't mean the . < 1301587731 837923 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust consistency http://sprunge.us/JJcX < 1301587735 118759 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__consistency: 0.0 < 1301587742 59928 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0 < 1301587750 343604 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error: maximum [] nesting depth exceeded < 1301587763 224076 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1301587768 650219 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program doesn't abbreviate using {} < 1301587776 811725 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me shorten it a bit in the hope that helps < 1301587784 971135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1301587787 520286 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is the maximum depth?) < 1301587788 541992 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody hasn't heard of the ZOI rule < 1301587804 518506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Somebody hasn't done dynamic memory allocation in C < 1301587815 628907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, wtf, that's only like hundreds of nestings :) < 1301587822 536953 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should learn how to do it then < 1301587823 326790 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000, exactly < 1301587825 328060 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the limit? < 1301587840 657657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was referring to you < 1301587843 250891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is a: pain < 1301587844 567154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*It < 1301587848 295935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I is a pain, too.) < 1301587851 616344 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, I turned it around on you < 1301587860 734963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But then I pedanticed you because fuck lsdkf < 1301587863 196317 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find it much of a pain < 1301587883 384918 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust http://sprunge.us/ghaP < 1301587884 169851 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1301587890 679203 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust consistency http://sprunge.us/ghaP < 1301587894 225920 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523__consistency: 0.0 < 1301587904 123096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder if spending the money on hardware to mine bitcoins pays off :) < 1301587911 556419 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blecch, that's 999 nestings < 1301587925 432151 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie! what's the [] nesting limit in your BF Joust interps? < 1301587927 764821 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Just use {}? < 1301587938 267077 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can you not < 1301587940 482571 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if you can think of a way to condense that using {}, I'd like to hear it < 1301587957 784605 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, you have a different (.) count each time < 1301587962 700989 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301587969 207298 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole point < 1301587984 163935 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I just didn't really look at the program before < 1301588019 786256 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: #define MAXNEST 256 < 1301588027 769904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: honestly, we should really just embed some TC-if-not-for-limited-steps language into the bf joust interps < 1301588033 589713 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 (insert interrobang here) < 1301588040 184526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we don't have to say "i couldn't use the macro because ..." < 1301588042 827751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, lol wut 256 < 1301588050 216833 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :⸘ < 1301588051 787684 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even enough to count how long a two-cycle clear takes < 1301588052 360893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used the max cycle count :) < 1301588053 810968 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽ < 1301588069 571078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what you get for shoddy second-class joust software!!!!!! < 1301588085 921236 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: man 3 malloc < 1301588095 312517 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm vaguely in favour of limiting the maximum [] nesting depth, but it should count depth post-%-expansion, not pre- < 1301588107 98092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: *man 3 1000000 < 1301588110 71107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever cycle max is < 1301588128 502937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so you should allocate something that big with malloc, but it shouldn't need reallocing afterwards.) < 1301588137 115045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since such a program would hit the cycle limit.) < 1301588151 383903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: not a fan of my embed-a-tc-language idea? < 1301588152 867713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1301588176 741854 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'd make it too easy to put a PRNG in there and pretty much defeat defence forever and ultimately < 1301588193 879367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: err, no outside input < 1301588198 697062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be a prng with a fixed seed < 1301588208 333164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it'd not be anything you couldn't preprocess manually before submitting < 1301588226 805183 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a fixed-seed PRNG would be enough < 1301588231 635546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if the language was made esoteric enough, a prng could be a massive achievement :) < 1301588235 337163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: then you can do that today < 1301588238 302502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by doing it manually < 1301588248 907582 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you can't, because it doesn't abbreviate < 1301588265 457689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder if some govts will try cracking down on bitcoin < 1301588269 964954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: does it need to? < 1301588271 495906 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I put the paren in the wrong place < 1301588279 53207 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes if you want it to not be terabytes long < 1301588288 323691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well, ok < 1301588317 284365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was working on a macro preprocessor for bfj before the break...lemme see how much free time i have... < 1301588333 804291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In February 2011, the coverage at Slashdot and the subsequent Slashdot effect affected the value of the bitcoin" < 1301588336 583404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1301588345 850998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are finally in a world where slashdot can affect the value of the money in your pocket < 1301588349 555121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your... virtual pocket < 1301588355 716064 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drove it down, or up? < 1301588362 945721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say < 1301588364 526020 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see why people consider bitcoins valuable at all < 1301588368 133986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does have this gem: [16][17][citation needed] < 1301588371 489121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: because they're scarce < 1301588382 89742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: why do you consider $insert_fiat_currency_here valuable? < 1301588382 477332 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? that doesn't make them useful in any way < 1301588385 795408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's scarce < 1301588395 997224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ok, can i have $1mil? < 1301588398 403660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's not valuable < 1301588401 334272 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fiat currencies are only valuable as long as you can redeem them for something < 1301588408 488259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you can redeem bitcoins for real-world cash < 1301588412 935471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and physical goods are sold in it < 1301588414 725554 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and that makes no sense < 1301588422 802987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this is a circular argument < 1301588428 918862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's valuable because it's scarce. < 1301588455 111469 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, that's a circular argument < 1301588456 796015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's valuable because there's a market using it. < 1301588463 301280 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole idea of fiat currencies are based on circular arguments < 1301588469 429618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: no, they're not < 1301588473 731185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're based on fiat < 1301588475 679041 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if sufficiently many other people believe something's valuable, it's valuable for that reason < 1301588482 687647 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the only reason fiat currencies work < 1301588494 337631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's not irrational to believe in the value of a fiat currency < 1301588535 940022 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah: http://sprunge.us/gZaC < 1301588548 787918 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's successfully locking slowpoke, at least on some tape lengths < 1301588561 349158 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whoa < 1301588567 834400 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301588609 409519 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks to be tape length 13 and up, both polarities < 1301588624 563763 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I replaced the (.)*224 with a full-tape clear, it'd probably a) win, and b) be megabytes long < 1301588652 768155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301588753 480393 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an inline clear wouldn't work in that context < 1301588933 248365 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301589066 640480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301589199 2599 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott (in case you missed it): whoa: http://sprunge.us/gZaC I think it's successfully locking slowpoke, at least on some tape lengths < 1301589203 986738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw < 1301589209 314664 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so looks like slowpoke is defendable after all < 1301589344 338545 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301589452 772186 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall have to find a Pokémon that's good at beating Slowpoke and name the final program after that < 1301589475 231687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's slowpoke? < 1301589480 323695 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a BF Joust program < 1301589486 880334 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the name of a Pokémon < 1301589497 978104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's current king of the hill? < 1301589498 572110 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#2011 < 1301589501 875151 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed < 1301589575 870973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokemon good at beating slowpoke < 1301589576 610491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka < 1301589578 280293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any pokemon < 1301589601 149800 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be surprised < 1301589606 202985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I demand you find a program that manages to win by doing absolutely nothing, and call it magikarp < 1301589615 838305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or close to absolutely nothing) < 1301589622 159778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can, say, splash around a bit) < 1301589629 231459 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-208.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301589637 508538 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magikarp @ Focus Sash = Swift Swim: Splash / Tackle / Flail / Bounce < 1301589643 338000 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best Magikarp build in existence < 1301589654 764942 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's not a lot Magikarp can do, so finding the perfect build for it was really easy) < 1301589660 137615 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-208.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301589691 919189 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, there's at least one video on YouTube of someone sweeping an entire enemy Ubers team with that Magikarp build, although he had to try against hundreds of opponents before he found one that fell for it) < 1301589762 217123 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, defend10 was a 2011 program? time goes by so quickly < 1301589788 852797 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? is it 2012 already? < 1301589792 154659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was 2011 < 1301589832 215047 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 2011 < 1301589835 187502 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I'm so shocked < 1301589840 943760 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was earlier this year, and yet it seems like aeons ago < 1301589869 712336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi, if it seems like aeons ago, hasn't time moved slowly? < 1301589876 779690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's what people usually mean < 1301589909 673290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time moves quickly to allow lots of things to happen in it < 1301589912 639792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iguess is ais523_'s meaning < 1301589937 985383 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301589969 482954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301589990 310142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes i'm sure "time goes quickly" can be interpreted both ways < 1301589995 616313 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've never heard it used in that meaning < 1301589998 951907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it in the games with those trainers < 1301590002 708679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who only ever have magikarp with only splash < 1301590008 106538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they insist on battling you to the death < 1301590016 225520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of sick pleasure do they get out of that < 1301590060 695377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the magikarp who's getting pleasure < 1301590078 70009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's world backup day, ill ceberate by not backuping < 1301590127 811946 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301590147 702636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool, tomorrow is internet jackass day, but I'll be sleeping < 1301590153 646889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all the stupid is stupiding < 1301590155 269215 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301590170 605899 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an internet jackass day? < 1301590175 203611 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like fun < 1301590175 534610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is tomorrow < 1301590177 752184 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have three things planned for it < 1301590180 205869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll o from morning till dawn < 1301590181 124395 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is a C-INTERCAL release < 1301590187 590631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: omg please do < 1301590188 702209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301590191 332385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning till dawn :D < 1301590196 767736 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: write a script to do that < 1301590197 969373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all negative hours of it < 1301590201 914827 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, that's a completely valid time period < 1301590202 213049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301590202 608646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: call it optbot < 1301590212 447300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: SO WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO THINGS DON'T LEAVE US HANGING < 1301590217 101096 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never flood by script < 1301590233 453167 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at least one of the other two is a secret < 1301590237 8623 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other one isn't finished yet < 1301590237 761962 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590241 755814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590241 918628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 248425 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 415748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 576200 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 760271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590242 908119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590243 463335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you're so boring. < 1301590243 731853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590243 749716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590244 574604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590244 759759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590244 883847 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590244 960498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590245 132718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590245 150698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590248 101967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590250 137339 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590250 155380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590250 464720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590251 123016 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590251 968535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590252 180764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590252 764579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590253 750202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590254 407276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590254 898418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590256 211919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590256 260676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590257 689420 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590258 113007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590259 502082 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590260 524631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590261 971795 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590262 379456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590264 591990 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590264 610152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590266 272879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590267 877903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590268 312096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590269 26410 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590270 170090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590270 307758 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590270 503346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590270 832287 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590271 487667 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590272 188314 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590272 311190 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590272 578282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590273 129231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590273 717076 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590274 414135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590274 433073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590275 69626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590275 233203 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590276 217593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590277 307043 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590278 343132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590279 200128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590280 382290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590281 282430 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590281 663317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590282 156644 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590282 258051 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590282 418960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590283 798287 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590284 458554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590284 618994 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590285 441745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590285 984945 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590286 442553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590286 498396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590287 588778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590288 352497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590289 889437 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590290 206955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590291 440996 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590292 245755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590293 283254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590294 286952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590294 845688 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o I have to be going now < 1301590295 216324 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590296 325270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590298 550545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590299 751665 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't < 1301590300 221164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590301 393849 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't < 1301590301 414939 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1301590302 263182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590304 300863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590308 386312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590310 466954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590312 286940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590314 323183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590316 365834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590317 998352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm taking today off work so i suppose i really could o all day < 1301590318 402571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590320 477944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590322 483977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590323 769265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1301590324 367873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590324 752588 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric 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#esoteric :fuck < 1301590352 343268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590354 388705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590356 466105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590358 322270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590360 364044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590362 404296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590364 256618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590368 370072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590370 408082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590372 455981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590374 299960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590376 340796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590378 419869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo < 1301590380 458748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love our liberal attitude towards spam < 1301590382 493092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590384 347686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590386 384285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590388 196313 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590388 422732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590388 852892 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590389 841021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590390 275432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590391 396282 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590392 54967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590392 500049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590392 711431 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590393 535106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590394 349745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590395 995936 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590396 983966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590398 350386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590398 935711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590400 383723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590402 291187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590402 420853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590404 463405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590404 864724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590406 521910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590408 373658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590409 790129 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590410 408666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590412 262802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was invigourating < 1301590414 299028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how that was basically me and ais fucking up your perfect oko slopes < 1301590414 691637 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ukukukukukuku < 1301590419 806610 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ukukukukukukukukukukukukuukukuku < 1301590425 756978 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's life < 1301590426 412978 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590426 741078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okok < 1301590439 460648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1301590460 297672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is full of them imperfections < 1301590465 182820 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590465 675065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590466 330667 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590467 150991 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590468 346957 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590469 361790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590470 764997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590472 80631 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590473 720727 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590475 692513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590476 527028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301590477 510181 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590481 418033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301590488 444271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate swedes < 1301590493 118950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590493 937800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590494 437108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590495 260199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590495 442949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1301590496 257218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590496 554147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate swedes < 1301590496 750232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301590497 493076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck them < 1301590504 95884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate toilets < 1301590506 885234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590507 378203 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590508 91020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590508 912964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590509 734542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590510 720014 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590511 842237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590513 156778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590514 798763 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590515 129824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate humans < 1301590516 779346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590518 103452 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301590531 685585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590532 998210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590533 16375 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590533 685890 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590534 581860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590536 61021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590537 45692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590538 560013 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590540 117126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590541 58497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, won't interrupt you again < 1301590541 714345 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590543 32972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after this) < 1301590545 833635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, thanks < 1301590546 489674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590546 982229 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okok < 1301590548 673747 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301590554 459635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301590554 787800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301590555 444690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301590556 440320 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1301590557 362447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301590558 357232 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1301590559 486924 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301590561 14662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1301590562 742664 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1301590564 384048 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1301590566 192444 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590567 503328 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301590569 827025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1301590694 916958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-best-alternative-operating-systems-934484 < 1301590700 841411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god this is hilarious. < 1301590710 970475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lists HURD as the first thing. < 1301590716 172694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all downhill from there. < 1301590740 953999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives to windows? < 1301590757 589681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives to love < 1301590805 273476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lol dexos, that guy is/was on the osdev forum < 1301590809 171971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :biggest moron ever < 1301590816 614433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hey it has inferno on it < 1301590818 106022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't hate it < 1301590821 70850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz inferno is the sex < 1301590838 655446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they illustrate openbsd with the pig-ugly default fvwm though < 1301590842 209725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SECURE UGLINESS IS MANDATED < 1301590848 604398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg furry amiga os!! < 1301590852 179328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey will be so happy < 1301590859 588431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furry? < 1301590863 897924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see mascot < 1301590870 225341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aros.sourceforge.net/images/kittymascot.png < 1301590875 966885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1301590897 136926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6. LoseThos supports multicore. < 1301590900 730524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD I DID NOT WANT TO SEE THAt < 1301590905 476563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. How could you not list LoseThos? Google search "64-bit operating system" and what's the first altewrnative OS you see? < 1301590905 494552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read more: http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-best-alternative-operating-systems-934484#ixzz1ICJ6yWRE < 1301591053 952642 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301591058 679605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm guessing Inferno implements some subset of @. < 1301591066 500993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's VM Plan 9. < 1301591072 71187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally based on Plan 9. < 1301591088 283370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the namespace thing? < 1301591311 998890 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301591431 987917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301592444 515555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301592463 639193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301592691 318334 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mention of Menuet http://www.menuetos.net ? < 1301592721 554666 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Redistribution, reverse engineering, disassembly or decompilation < 1301592721 741846 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : prohibited without permission from the copyright holders. < 1301592722 484153 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1301592729 191902 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retro OS looked interesting, but it's dead :-( < 1301592837 792471 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course Itsy-OS is probably the best OS ever, but I have a slight bias ;-) < 1301592854 73831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz 2 be making post about @ so it becomes the internet famouses < 1301592886 431708 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It has to be at least a LITTLE BIT existent first :P < 1301592895 866742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've written SEVERAL bootloaders < 1301592915 550881 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes up and down his checklist of necessary components, then shakes his head.
< 1301592921 352657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. bootloader < 1301592922 758120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. everything else < 1301592924 171822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm half done < 1301592946 34587 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM: < 1301592949 196682 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Bootloader < 1301592951 608211 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Second bootloader < 1301592954 763141 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Everything else < 1301592957 954935 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're 2/3rds done < 1301592958 442213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Third bootloader < 1301592961 657130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. Fourth bootloader < 1301592964 810234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. Sixth bootloader < 1301592968 16923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6. Code to jump to first bootloader < 1301592978 606174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I like how I skipped the fifth by accident < 1301592989 493571 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just not part of @ < 1301592993 576267 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has to be written for other reasons. < 1301592997 120462 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7. ... < 1301592999 151042 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8. PROFIT < 1301593018 330934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ has totally eliminated the antiquated notion of a fifth bootloader by replacing it with orthogonal hookers. < 1301593031 168965 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1301593149 148904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: btw why does itsy-os even have a memory allocator :D < 1301593262 872026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I need to work on my stupid physics thing now. < 1301593323 677613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is aptitude so slow nowadays X_X < 1301593347 704821 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just thought it belongs in the kernel. It'll have process management and ipc soon. Then I'll work on the Forth again :-) < 1301593378 50608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: All a kernel needs is something to load some bytes from a disk and jump to them, plus a keyboard interrupt! :-P < 1301593385 371494 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll port it to the MSP430 as soon as my free devboard arrives < 1301593402 649707 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why does it need a keyboard interrupt? < 1301593404 897357 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301593407 702702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: C:\> < 1301593425 24055 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That COULD be implemented by whatever your default init/shell/whatever program is. < 1301593442 741561 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: All it needs is to be able to load that program :P < 1301593451 466767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's true... but then it'd just be something that loads some FAT-12 (or whatever) bytes and jumps to them. < 1301593457 546459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd have to have a default program. < 1301593461 34812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which the OS would not really function without. < 1301593464 717360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'd just be a not-even-kernel. < 1301593466 248553 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA a bootloader? < 1301593486 109970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for honesty, an OS is a FAT-12 loader, a keyboard interrupt, and a tiny prompt using the two :P < 1301593647 601723 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a loader that finds a file on FAT-12 or FAT-16 disks. I need to make it work with FAT-32 at some point. < 1301593677 860625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs this "FAT-32" of which you speak < 1301593685 537051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I'm going to have to use GIMP < 1301593698 262582 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: COME TO THE DORK SIDE < 1301593708 80267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW < 1301593718 870102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES IT MEAN I DON'T HAVE TO USE GIMP < 1301593742 594101 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the GIMP /is/ coming to the dork side :P < 1301593749 271129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT < 1301593758 427599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so I wasn't *already* on the dork side? < 1301593862 807627 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not! < 1301593880 559324 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I submit http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31917308&l=75ffb3329d&id=1055580469 as evidence. < 1301593890 719967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm already failing to draw an arrow. < 1301593893 229240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good sign. < 1301593990 303351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That there are tutorials for this amuses me. < 1301594035 442613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the guy using one. < 1301594047 439434 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1301594048 167356 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn < 1301594052 491685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean that it's *necessary* at all. < 1301594063 394376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your image editor should not be that unintuitive. < 1301594077 830885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover expertly defects blame < 1301594081 425729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deflects < 1301594117 623908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott fails to detect joke, attempts to cover for self < 1301594127 549975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur mom < 1301594137 970565 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you two. < 1301594144 667005 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO locked in your matrices of solidity. < 1301594170 506040 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-198-16.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301594180 249894 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1301594196 167906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor's term for being straight) < 1301594214 864165 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP without _MERLiN_ what shall we do?! < 1301594219 173712 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-28-175.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301594223 634318 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *whew* < 1301594237 90472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot work out to draw a *line*. < 1301594242 93068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how to < 1301594244 392417 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Click. Shift-click. < 1301594249 351683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: try inserting anti retard pills into ur miiin`d < 1301594267 830519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make a keyboard macro that inputs my password so i don't have to type it out for sudo < 1301594283 753257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1301594292 292418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that felt good < 1301594301 54253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's like conversational masturbation < 1301594317 18571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I cannot work out to draw a *line*. <-- which software? < 1301594344 493318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIMP < 1301594349 484130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adj < 1301594350 677427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdojifgsjhirkh < 1301594351 79213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trjo < 1301594352 858490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruined your meme < 1301594411 844996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well gimp is not a vector graphics program, depending on what you want to do, something like inkscape might be better. However to force a straight line I think it is as Gregor said above. < 1301594442 627377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which indeed doesn < 1301594447 516359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't* make that much sense < 1301594472 763215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the advantage of being quick to use once you know it however < 1301594757 263273 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :radicalpumpkin < 1301594767 754981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :radicalpumpkin: NOOOOoo < 1301594783 244734 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :REVOLUTION < 1301594791 939815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1301594824 270996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :radicalpumpkin: in the spirit of http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_livqq7q0d11qitcsyo1_500.png and radical language reform < 1301594828 229606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose you become radicalananas < 1301594828 668554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301594829 829682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pineapple < 1301594831 420576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not pumpkin < 1301594833 197989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINGS I SHOULD DO: < 1301594833 981431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- READ < 1301594864 315138 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :my twitter avatar is a pwnapple < 1301594873 418899 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :cucurbita? < 1301594890 306003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pornapple < 1301596073 35467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE GIMP NEWS < 1301596077 937600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot draw anything. < 1301596082 539168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1301596095 859863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I click on the image and nothing happens. < 1301596114 4799 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are made of so much fail :P < 1301596148 804661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: layers < 1301596177 322952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ZOMG HE CAN'T USE A NOTORIOUSLY UNINTUITIVE PIECE OF SOFTWARE < 1301596204 860931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY SOFTWARE EVER has layers. < 1301596408 855457 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31917308&l=75ffb3329d&id=1055580469 <-- this may not be the greatest shooping ever, but I made it in the GIMP. < 1301596417 820013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP LINKING TO THAT < 1301596433 596569 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I <3 IT < 1301596438 299163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what the hell is the point of it? < 1301596447 181452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1301596449 504580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is dada art. < 1301596454 83047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GaKaGwch0U) < 1301596471 208142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that. < 1301596477 48936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then. < 1301596506 254710 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I really don't get is the people who don't get it AFTER seeing that >_< < 1301596520 170656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the Barney. < 1301596522 96062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as "people of lesser intelligence" < 1301596527 225523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: TBH it looks nothing like a gang fight :P < 1301596533 717675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, that bit in the chorus. < 1301596573 205793 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, finding a gang fight backdrop was friggin' impossible < 1301596625 59535 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens that we only see one corner of the gang fight is all :P < 1301596639 223045 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blog post that was from claims one of those people is dead, so that's a gang fight, right? < 1301596683 10665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301596686 221477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHEERFUL < 1301596691 342374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link :P < 1301596695 733860 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't keep it. < 1301596713 587321 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's right, I steal with SO LITTLE REMORSE) < 1301596724 360920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE HISTORY < 1301596744 40936 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use I'm not at home :P < 1301596783 64015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: RUN HOME < 1301597250 14218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if possible, i find Gregor's picture even worse after hearing the song < 1301597267 564901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301597329 773170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original singer has an incredibly ugly voice < 1301597331 415265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1301597360 662009 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lyrics hurt my brain < 1301597360 822671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um the ORIGINAL singer is bob dylan :| < 1301597365 580791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHILISTINE < 1301597368 770911 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0&feature=related < 1301597370 741057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this homo < 1301597378 965001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FISHEO3gsM ;; the lyrics are deep philosophical poetry. < 1301597387 124940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen and you will understand. < 1301597415 644178 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hy homo i meant the girl < 1301597438 907111 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i realize there's another homo rapping it up, maybe that's worth clarifying < 1301597525 963851 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now i get it < 1301597533 180996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301597535 753714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunday comes afterward. < 1301597613 576355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way dylan is doing this this is actually pretty decent < 1301597624 620730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301597632 93831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to break your heart, it's not actually dylan :( < 1301597641 502105 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't care, it's funny done this way < 1301597645 612130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea who dylan is < 1301597663 172467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just this random dude. < 1301597667 135432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody important. < 1301597669 9073 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049215.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301597689 622515 :cheater99!~cheater@e181054200.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301597729 595163 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "partying partying yeeah" thing could not be more sarcastic < 1301597881 425404 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is she really worthy of being compared to justin bieber? < 1301597885 373300 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4vLhJuKHxg&feature=related < 1301597988 912495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my brain can't really compare badnesses at such a low level < 1301598011 553327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF6LJ1BxEkc&feature=related <<< this guy here is totally locked in his matrix of solidity < 1301598046 963189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNe8eDLENSk i legit like this version < 1301598214 953227 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice yeah < 1301598378 293131 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've added some sorta low crackling sound when the black guy came and then even more treble in the chorus after < 1301598388 241136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301598393 503763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just end it with white noise < 1301598395 892677 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind of still < 1301598397 540677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and screaming faces < 1301598581 592370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ridiculous advert of the day: "Advice about girlfriend" < 1301598596 215605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lest you think this is by some Russians, it is by Childline. < 1301598610 574511 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-28-175.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301598613 415362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301598649 820426 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viu3ATQmYE4&NR=1 i agree with her < 1301598714 64856 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't like licking girls' faces when they are wearing that pimple disappearance maker thing < 1301598738 738285 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-29-157.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301598791 592634 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube surfing is kinda gay, feels more like the cantor set than the real line < 1301598795 284411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301598807 647221 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it, because it's not path connected < 1301598830 701438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301599082 580576 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1301599123 854744 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let e>0 be like really really small < 1301599125 825599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301599133 428948 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider two points x and y on the real line < 1301599166 622068 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can like find points x = z_1, z_2, ..., y = z_k such that d(z_i, z_{i+1}) < e for all relevant i < 1301599187 118531 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the fact it's path connected, you can take a continuous path from x to y, just cut it into pieces < 1301599196 172257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the cantor set then? < 1301599212 582865 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no can do man, you can do e-jumps for hours and hours < 1301599218 977677 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll never get farther than e away < 1301599234 651927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so that's what path-connected means for real numbers.. what's the cantor set? < 1301599257 923455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that thing? < 1301599267 615080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one where you take out the middle third of a line? < 1301599272 700723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well here i'm referring by cantor set to the symbolic dynamics version of reals, the infinite sequences over a finite alphabet with a certain metric that's not the same as for the usual reals < 1301599295 593064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmkay < 1301599297 397051 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the metric is that you just see how many of the first symbols of x and y agree < 1301599311 735173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you e-jump, you will just change a finite number of "digits" in the beginning < 1301599415 253098 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWthNTQeWo8&feature=relmfu <<< i'm me! < 1301599436 841368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is *that* oklopol!? < 1301599461 986435 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that surprise you < 1301599548 332258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the last 20 years i have struggled with who i am. it's only now, that i have? the confidence to accept who i am, and what i can pass on to others. if eveyone gave a little bit of their heart to help other's, then the world would be a better place! < 1301599548 461157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep doing what you are doing Arielle, as you put a smile on a lot of people's faces :D and for that, you and your video get 3 <3 <3 <3, from me :) < 1301599548 663021 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I expected something else, obviously < 1301599558 333078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you expect? < 1301599620 497088 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually if everyone gave a bit of their heart to help others, then a massive number of people would die from complications and the remainder mostly wouldn't live as long what with the missing bit of heart. < 1301599649 363048 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, maybe I'm just locked in my matrix of solidity. < 1301599652 254384 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah real mature < 1301599657 842615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about real issues here < 1301599677 311265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO SOLID < 1301599792 719077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301599863 378450 :cheater00!~cheater@e181054119.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301599885 182059 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Uhh, no, we're not talking about real issues here. You can't just decree that we are after talking about toal BS for an hour :P < 1301599895 74024 :cheater99!~cheater@e181054200.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301599912 816351 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is #esoteric , after all. < 1301599922 898835 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The matrix of solidity. < 1301599927 434594 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, it's friday in like 2 hours here < 1301599942 13064 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so going to break out from my matrix of solidity < 1301599949 79526 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1301599949 473501 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.229.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301599952 317058 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW?! < 1301599955 532788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean for a while. i'm not superman. < 1301599958 225540 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsolidify the matrix of solidity? < 1301599967 948717 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: erm well figuratively. < 1301600018 261289 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1301600030 10287 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I guess I'm still trapped *sobblecopter* < 1301600042 921607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's life for ya < 1301600053 715247 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1301600078 711246 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1301600084 929566 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301601096 676250 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : unsolidify the matrix of solidity? < 1301601112 511858 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dissolve it in ethanol, it's the finnish way < 1301601159 193401 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grabs another beer
< 1301601159 734439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or melt it. < 1301601161 385611 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoken like someone locked within their matrix of solidity. < 1301601170 776035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grabs a blowtorch
< 1301601207 879053 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Phantom_Hoover \ 2004-2011 \ He tried to escape his matrix of solidity < 1301601224 328532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004? < 1301601227 718028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did that come from? < 1301601243 615039 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprised I figured out the correct year so easily? < 1301601272 474125 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301601321 300023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wondering if you just made up a random number. < 1301601425 385397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just any random number, 2004! < 1301601449 720973 :bauttar!~bauttar@94-193-249-195.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1301601456 311231 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.229.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301601456 685466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT I HAVE A BETTER IDEA FOR BREAKING THE MATRIX OF SOLIDITY < 1301601464 18615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO THE DEVICE < 1301601481 216628 :bauttar!~bauttar@94-193-249-195.zone7.bethere.co.uk PART :#esoteric < 1301601620 648142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your crazy < 1301601715 368106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE WON'T BE TALK LIKE THAT WITH THE DEVICE POWERED UP < 1301601746 292331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY FIZZIE AND DEEWIANT BUT YOUR LIVES ARE A LESSER CONCERN < 1301602388 286070 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI < 1301602534 959047 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tickle myself < 1301602545 173219 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-72-18-49-24.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301602601 154838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah, that basically sums it up. < 1301602617 503976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws the axion conduit into phase 3.
< 1301602634 538728 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-72-18-49-24.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1301602640 4852 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just noting that my life hasn't been measurably affected as of yet < 1301602664 472092 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030016.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301602736 517606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, reached the bottom of my desk: found some terva leijona! < 1301602751 72821 :cheater00!~cheater@e181054119.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301602776 320872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah, the Device will do that. < 1301602893 709097 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ever dissolved it in alcohol? < 1301602915 459607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup! < 1301602924 315035 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(preferrably a mixture of cheap cognac and ~vodka) < 1301602935 799780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only tried it with vodka < 1301602953 472009 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland there's this bottled product, "jaloviina" (ädelbrännvin) < 1301602967 111155 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was cheap cognac for people thta couldn't afford the real thing < 1301602976 284008 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's two varieties of it, * and *** < 1301602986 959029 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** is three parts cognac, one part vodka, the other ... well, you can guess < 1301603325 297392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the cognac do a lot compared to just mixing it with vodka? < 1301603441 109186 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but < 1301603454 374264 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can get jaloviina on the ferries? < 1301603465 225790 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I don't recognize it < 1301603466 594189 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever go to finland < 1301603499 279164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to remember it for next time :) < 1301603501 348325 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does change the flavour a bit, not revolutionarily much but somewhat < 1301603532 777175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :swor-ditch: were you doing a master's or a bachelor's in complexity theory < 1301603689 615668 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301603809 913545 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301603818 208275 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i just realized that's what your nick means < 1301603848 156987 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301603928 152237 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bachelor's. < 1301603932 422234 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nothing really interesting < 1301603951 575914 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so try figure out what it's in Finnish then? < 1301603954 897445 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i kind of assumed because it doesn't really sound like a research topic but a reading topic < 1301603955 227966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1301603968 476616 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not a research topic < 1301603968 935648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the utu it department rarely gives out topics that interesting < 1301603988 650330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like http - the way of the future or an elephant? < 1301603995 629147 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our prof Ion Petre had it as one suggestion, but most of the suggestions were way more boring < 1301604000 403954 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :waitasec I'll find the full list < 1301604009 965035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: so try figure out what it's in Finnish then?" what? < 1301604064 916307 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bachelor's thesis at the it dep was pretty lame and to quote my supervisor, i could've easily passed it as a master's thesis < 1301604079 914028 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xprog28.cs.abo.fi/ro.nsf/141b8735bd22ff31c225700600473a01/3ee2c54d808c7ed3c22577180023004d/$FILE/KNrubriker2011.pdf < 1301604093 857056 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my nick is a somewhat bad translation of my surname < 1301604106 308919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i said, yes < 1301604111 571786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301604117 323521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it actually means something slightly different? < 1301604134 945408 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijk originally meant ditch < 1301604137 244502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what language Zwaarddijk could be < 1301604149 164366 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it means the inverse of a ditch < 1301604159 585433 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mound of dirt you leave on one side while digging the ditch < 1301604163 736756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cheers
< 1301604173 737069 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way of an elephant < 1301604175 754749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beat Minesweeper on hard for the third time! < 1301604185 866114 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was your time < 1301604189 579006 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301604190 645859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: language? < 1301604204 636353 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dutch, because I figured that's the only other lang to use -ditch (or something similar) as a suffix in surnames < 1301604211 214497 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, my surname is finnish < 1301604213 348569 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1301604216 479281 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i actually figured it might be dutch because of dijk < 1301604225 525131 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zwaard sounded a bit too... african < 1301604263 982312 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually maybe it reminded me of africa because of that copy of dutch they speak in africa < 1301604264 350283 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-29-157.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301604293 977451 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :afrikans < 1301604298 527415 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*afrikaans < 1301604303 318025 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1301604311 950096 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-29-15.socal.dialup.o1.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301604449 981150 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Interspeech 2011 paper submission deadline was supposed to be today, and there was a note that it will not be extended as the paper submission system needs to shut down for "scheduled maintenance that cannot be rescheduled". < 1301604466 842104 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now in place of that note there is "Due to the overwhelming number of requests, the INTERSPEECH 2011 Technical Commitee decided to allow authors to "upload" their final paper version till April 7th in the "check the status page" of the paper submission system, but a draft version "must" be submitted by March 31st. " < 1301604527 204780 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :murphy's law means that if they _had_ insisted on the deadline, their computers would have crashed a day early. < 1301604567 924910 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every conference seems to every time do the extension thing, at least a day or two, usually a week. < 1301604582 560742 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just when I'm all "ah, now I don't need to think about this stuff any longer, the deadline's past". < 1301604597 651825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: based on the first few i read, your worst topics are better than utu's worst < 1301604601 279276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1301604602 950533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :utu's best < 1301604651 897687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also their very stupid animated "sponsors" mini-banner thing is done as a Java applet, and the plugin takes 300 megabytes of real memory to shuffle those 120x60 banners around. < 1301604660 781056 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Applet by Gokhan Dagli,www.appletcollection.com" < 1301604679 212123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Color me unimpressed. < 1301604705 514523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't quite grasped to point of conferences yet < 1301604712 626700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1301604765 6269 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: otoh, it isn't mandatory to pick any topic out of those < 1301604773 55956 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you can also pick other topics? < 1301604775 280532 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a publication venue, and the generation of publications (that "count", i.e. are peer-reviewed to some degree) is the ultimate goal of all. < 1301604780 523322 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: actually just after i stopped reading, topics started getting pretty bleh < 1301604793 30304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: you can, and i did < 1301604800 145554 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'd say most of those are pretty bleh < 1301604809 144499 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301604818 883649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the biocomputing stuff sounds like it could be interesting < 1301604829 149939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the quantum stuff why not < 1301604850 693829 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"make your own godzilla bio-robot!" < 1301604853 345880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you haven't done simulated annealing and other shit like that to death when you were 5, that's certainly fun stuff as well < 1301604855 320846 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of those were ion petre's stuff no? < 1301604858 617999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1301604896 341603 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301604903 370889 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the only guy in the entire department to have interesting stuff < 1301604911 439806 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think patrick sibelius could do interesting stuff too if he wanted < 1301604922 428196 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he probably knows complexity science just as well as petre) < 1301604929 31542 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real godzilla was of course just a japanese college project with too many programming bugs < 1301604939 89894 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he just suggested topics like "the history of formal logics" < 1301604970 805242 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EN KORT HISTORIK �VER PREDIKATLOGIKEN (�ven m�jlig som gradu) xD < 1301604988 80865 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vad ljuvligt < 1301604997 165019 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301605001 652699 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one cool topic for a cs master's thesis :D < 1301605019 421806 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was predicate logic even, so ... < 1301605022 546463 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather meh. < 1301605034 626478 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that guy really knows his logic and formal languages and complexity shit. < 1301605047 439092 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think he's lazy when it comes to advising < 1301605047 483950 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complex, but formal guy < 1301605129 1612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :advising required for bachelor's: browse the thing when it's done. < 1301605416 684944 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301605422 27583 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1301605429 318892 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion petre did suggest a few books < 1301605450 276063 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ... I guess an additional five minutes there < 1301605462 589381 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i was totally oversimplifying < 1301605472 718978 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301605476 512321 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no really, I haven't really interacted with him since then at all? < 1301605490 975783 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure maybe I should have but ... meh < 1301605533 444257 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ion Petre" sounds like a superhero. < 1301605534 4555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really have any interaction where we actually talked about the contents of my bachelor's thesis < 1301605615 275414 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301605849 827346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301605868 137454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301605993 292987 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1301606090 153428 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-8-204.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301606328 139539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1301606329 127394 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's a matter of time before that's the rig that hardcore gamers want, i can just believe that :) < 1301606329 149548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301606341 196216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301606368 779015 :_MERLiN_!~chatzilla@66-81-29-15.socal.dialup.o1.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301606381 190104 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-8-204.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301606458 445971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is MERLiN? < 1301606724 282031 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic enhanced reverse living intelligent node < 1301607033 188240 :augur!~augur@96.231.225.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301607092 231303 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds a bit like VALIS. < 1301607308 168268 :augur!~augur@96.231.225.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301607327 838520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1301607335 217715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301607565 442192 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-208.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301607868 189940 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608058 192581 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M FREAKING < 1301608058 746832 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUT < 1301608068 286192 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1301608088 293823 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds libc.so-related. < 1301608128 165083 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608146 7326 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301608217 180812 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's because it is! < 1301608228 788595 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm in the lead but the margin between the current value and my max is INSUFFICIENT < 1301608235 840349 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, knew it. Nothing else gets you so... how is it that they say, hot and bothered? < 1301608249 579678 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brits say that :P < 1301608313 534397 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060095.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608320 50721 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm continuing to bother #esoteric because ZERO people from this channel have helped me out here :P < 1301608377 614527 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we never put our money where our mouth is. < 1301608408 691990 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually since in this case everybody's just said "You ain't got a chance in hell LOLOLOL" you're putting your money exactly where your mouth is. < 1301608424 990127 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/everybody/everybody in this channel/ < 1301608451 633960 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would certainly give you money if you were doing something even remotely interesting < 1301608463 165083 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030016.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301608463 691705 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like buying the vierergruppe < 1301608465 291254 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack pthbbth bleh, dirty money in mouth. < 1301608466 958210 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: @libc.so email addresses ARE interesting < 1301608505 213794 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1301608513 515660 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but but, cocaine! < 1301608522 651571 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: If they're not interested in them, then you're made of FAIL < 1301608540 334077 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301608558 586308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired of arguing with you -> < 1301608568 250204 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're arguing? :P < 1301608576 737856 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Gregor> I'm continuing to bother #esoteric because ZERO people from this channel have helped me out here :P < 1301608597 56239 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one concludes that perhaps libc isn't very esoteric < 1301608605 19416 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, that is true :P < 1301608624 564968 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you're right, maybe it was more like a flamewar < 1301608625 360241 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to harass ##unix , I don't know them and they'd probably yell at me :P < 1301608656 421905 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301608668 716505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dleep < 1301608669 704341 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1301608711 735301 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608731 125852 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608809 173852 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301608901 99633 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301608915 649698 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org NICK :libc\x2Eso < 1301609323 593299 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "dleep" was a typo for "sleep" < 1301609342 852763 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't figure it out until i saw the arrow on the next line < 1301609347 680811 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SURE OF THAT < 1301609371 724285 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a typo of oklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklvosleep < 1301609372 649342 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was just a glitch in oklopol's robotic circuits < 1301609391 844716 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 'v', however, was a typo of ctrl+v :P < 1301609396 847292 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does sound like the kind of sound a glitching robot circuit would make < 1301609452 142160 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301609466 204582 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301609467 614973 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1301609618 223604 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301610206 297460 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1301610681 38504 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD THE AUCTION SITE IS ERRORING OUT < 1301610686 667673 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRESS TIMES A BAJILLION < 1301610714 477933 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301610728 277800 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you entered that "extend 24 hours at a time" period yet? < 1301610734 407823 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1301610735 911163 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301610747 790492 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's when you can _really_ start stressing < 1301610770 557837 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have so much stress that it kills people near me at that time :P < 1301610807 753527 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being stressed < 1301611302 411340 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301611304 84289 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually "stressing" is perfectly grammatical in modern english < 1301611311 503337 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1301611315 203173 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301611315 393053 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for better or worse < 1301611348 20961 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it looks like the next four languages to be supported in yoob will be: SMETANA, Qdeql, Sceql, and Ale, for no good reason. < 1301611351 537885 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :later. < 1301611353 945311 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301612705 50916 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301613118 385339 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301613312 222999 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301613739 395343 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301614672 636150 :cheater-!~cheater@g228060000.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301614847 301947 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060095.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301614850 271770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301615096 433596 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301615187 517905 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301615645 298859 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.131 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301615801 515393 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301615801 533389 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301615801 533523 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301615950 965131 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301615951 125185 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu