< 1303084835 847921 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1303084854 41918 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done autoconf practice is even worse. < 1303084862 242888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it do pkg-config by default or do you have to tell it to? :) < 1303084872 175212 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to tell it to. < 1303084888 698808 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the alternative is actually manually writing a check for the library. < 1303084925 731876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC_CHECK_LIB(gmp, __gmpz_mul_si, , < 1303084925 994820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : [AC_MSG_ERROR( < 1303084926 145229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : [GNU MP not found, or not 3.1 or up, see http://gmplib.org/])]) < 1303084932 266899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Fythe's configure.ac, copied by me from gmp's manual. < 1303084937 901700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC_CHECK_LIB([pcre], [pcre_compile], , [AC_MSG_ERROR([pcre is required])]) < 1303084938 165518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC_CHECK_LIB([m], [read]) # Can't use something better because it'll be a builtin in GCC < 1303084940 949756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably written by Gregor. < 1303084970 146553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Conclusion: Yeah, nobody uses the pkg-config stuff :P < 1303085034 242793 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GMP doesn't have a pkg-config entry. pcre does, I should probably be using it. < 1303085045 24447 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libm of course doesn't. < 1303085055 758152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: And GMP is a popular library, it _should_ have a pkg-config entry. < 1303085066 662577 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkg-config --cflags m < 1303085066 992122 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1303085067 678107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcmap used pkg-config for zlib, until it transpired that Ubuntu lacked such a file, while mine and fizzie's distros didn't. < 1303085070 441503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we had to change to -lz. < 1303085080 768501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr pkg-config is a clusterfuck right now because several important libraries don't work. < 1303085098 908812 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think GNU junk is on the bandwagon yet. < 1303085106 555264 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside of the GNOME stack. < 1303085116 778968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zlib is not gnu < 1303085124 158552 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but GMP is. < 1303085125 823358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume the pkg-config files are just newer than Ubuntu's version. < 1303085131 522851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, pkg-config has been around for ages. < 1303085138 236221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That zlib isn't usable with it yet is... crazy. < 1303085158 308722 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 years since first release. < 1303085179 672655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is computing. That's a decade. < 1303085182 30082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least. < 1303085210 469539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. pkg-config only came out in two thousand and six? < 1303085212 601030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's crazy. < 1303085243 67654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zlib has had 2 releases since then. < 1303085250 167731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2005-11/1922.html < 1303085250 953988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2009-January/071851.html < 1303085255 484672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently pkg-config is broken :P < 1303085339 218485 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Someone was overzealous on the pkg-config file ITS BROKEN!" < 1303085349 144245 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides which, -Wl,--as-needed would catch that. < 1303085350 544653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latter is from maintainer of Wine, though. < 1303085359 711981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project leader. < 1303085367 306742 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that is increasingly the default on distros) < 1303085377 489132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly someone who has such in-depth knowledge of the Windows API is probably not entirely sane... < 1303085390 534070 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303085520 76041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-200.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303085684 522220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are hundreds of third parties in this country. But only one has ever helped elect George W. Bush." < 1303085686 811831 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303085687 146011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol usa < 1303085723 342070 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My left ear is working again! < 1303085724 935433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fact is, the 2000 election results in florida is the undeniable trump card for why voting for a thirtd party in a close election is moronic." < 1303085731 62053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deargod < 1303085732 813399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all doomed < 1303085907 728540 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303086002 245363 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Funny, I could've *sworn* the 2000 election results in Florida just demonstrates that the Supreme Court has ceased to be a neutral institution, and instead votes for What The Party Wants. < 1303086026 117514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Also, y'know, your voting system is fucking retarded and inherently quickly collapses into a two-party shitfest. < 1303086039 651584 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : finally I know who to blame for making zippers get stuck so much < 1303086067 947970 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my impression from the reddit discussion was that their monopoly is well-deserved < 1303086072 944759 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-200.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, our voting system seems almost *designed* for a two-party shitfest. < 1303086076 375888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY STILL GET STUCK ALL THE TIME OERJAN < 1303086115 701020 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have this jacket that i need to be very careful with lest the zipper divide < 1303086129 145402 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a YKK < 1303086249 795841 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i can do lambdabot < 1303086260 419155 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zippers normally divide, that's what they're there for < 1303086266 943740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: HYUK < 1303086271 8924 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i mean when i'm trying to join it < 1303086293 951375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought < 1303086295 989776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a joke on < 1303086299 874142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional programming zippers... < 1303086310 386691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, just a normal one < 1303086351 271242 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think > is easier. do you still have this problem? < 1303086360 756846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. but actually ? is possible. < 1303086363 706125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can yeah < 1303086384 237547 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and > isn't? < 1303086405 134906 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^nr < 1303086405 284903 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+ < 1303086406 868864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303086421 933737 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let nr = "`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+" < 1303086423 51320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1303086426 632862 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nr < 1303086428 576177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+" < 1303086453 914857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YAAAAAAAAAAAY < 1303086458 855162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use text < 1303086460 73279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "" < 1303086469 975839 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :text? < 1303086473 137740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let nr = text "`1234567890-=\n~!@#$%^&*()_+" < 1303086473 652755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :4:0: < 1303086473 802827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Multiple declarations of `L.nr' < 1303086473 803014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Declared at: :... < 1303086481 700070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlet nr plz < 1303086485 449348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlet nr < 1303086485 599349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : TemplateHaskell is not enabled < 1303086485 749776 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can wipe it out though < 1303086489 457478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1303086490 775350 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlet fnord < 1303086491 307020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : TemplateHaskell is not enabled < 1303086492 406980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you redefine < 1303086501 648304 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlet < 1303086502 811499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1303086505 874071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let nr = text "`1234567890-=\n~!@#$%^&*()_+" < 1303086506 565072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :5:0: < 1303086506 715314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Multiple declarations of `L.nr' < 1303086506 715510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Declared at: :... < 1303086512 277323 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1303086520 331828 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list let < 1303086520 896016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval provides: run let undefine < 1303086525 936004 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine nr < 1303086534 6542 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nr < 1303086535 188101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `nr' < 1303086539 151356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let nr = text "`1234567890-=\n~!@#$%^&*()_+" < 1303086540 171947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1303086540 872309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nr < 1303086542 690383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `1234567890-= < 1303086542 840581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~!@#$%^&*()_+ < 1303086546 670771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1303086554 601393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1303086564 651643 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the \n? < 1303086581 780093 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine fnord < 1303086586 359994 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nr < 1303086587 692040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `nr' < 1303086591 928191 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let nr = text "`1234567890-=\n~!@#$%^&*()_+" < 1303086593 84937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1303086607 852560 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly @undefined still works on an all-or-nothing basis, it seems < 1303086619 909208 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*@undefine < 1303086696 953688 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that of course increases the risk that someone else wipes it out < 1303086754 609095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg it's existential risk < 1303086844 417231 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm glogbot doesn't show my previous quit message < 1303086929 290129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot is bad at quit and nick < 1303086948 883257 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _usually_ does, i mean this time < 1303087126 993777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1303087129 712051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303087826 298117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: do you have that Suber quote on nomic software having to keep up with the rules? < 1303087859 843079 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls that was a problem with Nomic World < 1303087868 175061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. that may have even inspired the quote. < 1303087894 746953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "The problem with email-oriented nomics is that someone needs to take < 1303087895 11898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the task of managing things manually... vote tallying, ruleset < 1303087895 162836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :updating, etc. I'd be up for playing that way so long as someone else < 1303087895 163019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes on the administrative tasks." < 1303087898 36984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I'm trying to respond to this < 1303087906 722360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nomic in question is Nomicron, which does pretty much everything with a hard-coded site < 1303087915 475638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a strong disincentive for me to play it < 1303087964 87972 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought somehow this might be part of the inspiration for code nomics like schemenomic and perlnomic < 1303087991 927910 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how to make the implementation becomes part of the game < 1303088006 626991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it was. < 1303088025 135984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, oerjan has a nomicwiki article. < 1303088030 427089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Found when googling schemenomic.) < 1303088033 432704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although NomicWiki is offline. < 1303088052 549584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not cached anywhere, oh the humanityX < 1303088080 958022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Could I coerce you into playing Normish Two? :) < 1303088087 462723 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1303088099 135739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Could I get you to play Normish Two if I threatened you with knives? < 1303088104 742718 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1303088112 448612 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303088120 25737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What if I threatened you with immortality?X?X?X?XX < 1303088158 178766 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that would require me to believe you could pull off the threat < 1303088166 269327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this good?? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/texify/texify.htm < 1303088187 464719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I could commit to making a certain large donation to SIAI every regular interval... < 1303088196 466155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the post-Singularity immortality would be perfectly optional. < 1303088197 184025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1303088201 195069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tricky. < 1303088223 532187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can we just assume I'm smart enough to find a way to make tangible efforts to cause you to become unstoppably immortal, and go from there? < 1303088233 83219 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1303088249 970551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I SENSE I AM PISSING YOU OFF < 1303088263 598186 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is SIAI means? < 1303088265 609379 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an uncomfortable subject. < 1303088279 819232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://singinst.org/ < 1303088284 508909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What, playing Normish? < 1303088364 859884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN HAS NOW CEASED TO REPLY TO ME < 1303088372 223716 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :immortality. < 1303088394 167041 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303088395 457146 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host < 1303088395 607116 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303088407 436462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOU WERE USING CURT REPLIES RIGHT FROM THE FIRST MENTION OF NORMISH, YOU LIAR < 1303088413 995229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES AND DECEIT < 1303088424 829949 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that was not from being pissed off < 1303088459 275958 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop cheating please. < 1303088468 283438 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs an ice coffee < 1303088483 395769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But with NORMISH, you could have THE LATEST VERSION OF GHC, on a LINUX hostXXX < 1303088496 299573 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee! \o/ < 1303088496 449558 :myndzi!myndzi@76.28.158.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1303088496 449761 :myndzi!myndzi@76.28.158.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /< < 1303088508 912558 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normish is a haskell nomic? < 1303088536 501044 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shake* *shake* < 1303088548 707039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a Unix nomic < 1303088550 941978 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: It is lined up this time. But I don't know if it is on everyone's computer, because there are many kind of formats used < 1303088565 528354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically has multiple personality disorder, on one hand it's a shell account provider ran semi-democratically via a nomic < 1303088572 162414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on the other hand, it's a codenomic where the code is Unix < 1303088599 860678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normish One petered off due to failing to have much interesting going on, but I've taken the initiative to try and revive it But Better. < 1303088601 804122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's tswett's) < 1303088611 674191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :petered off. is that the right spelling? < 1303088629 794827 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded to download the latest haskell platform < 1303088638 450649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, and Normish Two is also meant to act as a host for _other_ codenomics < 1303088648 619784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. perlnomic, smallnomic < 1303088779 199009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And, er, er, er, DID I MENTION LATEST GHC WITH USER-LOCAL CABAL INSTALL < 1303088968 997033 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell platform installer has this weird ability _not_ to show up in the taskbar... < 1303088982 600652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not a problem with NORMISHXXX < 1303089029 617601 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, completely misinterpreting what motivates me _does_ piss me off. a bit. < 1303089056 357704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you are failing to understand: a joke? < 1303089060 855953 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303089072 307761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're saying that merely asking whether I could convince you to join Normish was a complete misinterpretation :P < 1303089090 507250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or unless you just can somehow resist the promise of sweet, sweet GHC. < 1303089141 821272 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm a bit pissed off to start, actually. damn stiff neck. < 1303089146 778445 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with < 1303089156 857692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGIC DEFEATS YET ANOTHER FOE < 1303089161 416121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY DEFEATS I MEAN SHIFTS THE BLAME TO PHYSICAL MATTERS < 1303089183 45534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...a Haskell nomic is temting me at this point < 1303089191 422879 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i hate the physical universe. why do you ask? < 1303089206 612100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's okay, because when all our minds are uploaded... < 1303089210 188850 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-200.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303089217 468547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION observes as oerjan continually walks into trap < 1303089244 124110 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but i feel like i already fell into one < 1303089257 948940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did. it's a fractal trap. < 1303089267 986029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with immortality, then nests into mind uploading. < 1303089270 248187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows what is nextXXX < 1303089299 210092 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 QUIT :Quit: Conversation is painful < 1303089322 489324 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUCH OUCHOUCH OUCHOUCHOUCH OUCHOUCHOUCHOUCH < 1303089336 844472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan sure is pissier than usual lately < 1303089345 36350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm just more annoying :) < 1303089710 637160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you need to fix your computer please. < 1303089722 775661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If, you did not fix it yet. < 1303089722 969331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you so concerned whether i fix my computer or not < 1303089747 688337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because??? < 1303089769 237807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because why < 1303089788 865889 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Installing Task-Manager you can read fast..." < 1303089799 846850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: already commented on BRO < 1303089935 1192 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like blind LPs on YouTube. This is not blind < 1303089947 152727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You don't know what it's going to be like. < 1303089963 606109 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm < 1303089976 286015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read that Animal Crossing LP? < 1303089980 86551 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent Rankings isn't just the user's previous playthroughs? < 1303089982 781488 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1303089987 565896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind then. < 1303090096 496964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: (I was referring to The Terrible Secret of Animal Crossing.) < 1303090298 848525 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts on the blue valley < 1303090307 1923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1303090323 316775 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music < 1303090436 691579 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303090437 58755 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303090437 208638 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303090664 409330 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303090668 620408 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've read this before < 1303090671 289961 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems familiar < 1303091113 611340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ping < 1303091455 797018 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tentative pong. < 1303091647 390971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Do you have that Suber quote on software having to keep up with a nomic's ruleset? < 1303091659 25600 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1303091665 695609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1303091871 875484 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is the time of sleep. < 1303091873 669601 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1303091878 937467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs that? < 1303091892 419481 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :All mammals. < 1303091901 357710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lie. < 1303091917 61380 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never lie. < 1303091946 937098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You said you only respond "excellent". < 1303091952 194947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are responding with non-excellent. < 1303091953 801912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lie, brah. < 1303091996 500558 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1303091998 899278 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is the time of sleep. < 1303092000 353214 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1303092004 944578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brah. < 1303093151 92167 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly, I want to read the Uplink data files < 1303093239 587704 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303093239 737626 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303093239 737700 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303093439 687732 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1303094158 298290 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303094177 987346 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it looks like your <{{{1}}}> template idea doesn't work < 1303094185 157488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1303094235 889195 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i guess it couldn't, since it could be used to evade bans on tags for other purposes than anti-spam... < 1303094247 288177 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just come to think of it < 1303094319 582860 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that depends on _where_ the ban is implemented, hm. < 1303094379 827920 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1303094584 441150 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{subst:tag|div style="{{{1}}}"}}{{{2}}}{{subst:tag|/div}} < 1303094589 649963 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason give < 1303094591 3130 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1303094597 851888 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<{{{1}}}>{{{2}}} < 1303094601 143038 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on preview < 1303094647 510668 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also as final page result < 1303094917 693736 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303095008 513366 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh it works without the style="{{{1}}}" part... < 1303095033 72583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1303095048 423896 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close :) < 1303095103 609703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if you just do < 1303095112 111300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{tag|div style="color:red"}}test{{tag:/div}} < 1303095112 708501 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course i cannot edit the result to include the style part afterward :( < 1303095113 489159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use subst < 1303095115 417841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll stop editing < 1303095145 898724 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i tried without subst first and i thought it didn't work. hm let's see. < 1303095222 941214 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303095278 339919 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did managed to find a way to enter a
tag into a page on the wiki. < 1303095304 282596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then it fails to save, you have to remove it before it will save a copy. < 1303095321 526580 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the raw signature feature. < 1303095337 325495 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um that's obviously not what we try to do... < 1303095363 21729 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um or do you mean there is something _else_ that removes div's other than the failure to save... < 1303095426 29381 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet is horid :-\ < 1303095454 365771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is based on what data the server receives from the client, only. < 1303095465 397065 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303095486 478166 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that still doesn't explain why i cannot get it to work with ... hm < 1303095530 408695 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303095591 21585 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i got closer again, but without subst the
gets converted to text, again < 1303095602 958875 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1303095644 48923 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303095708 895603 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit {{subst:tag|div {{{1}}}}}{{{2}}}{{subst:tag|/div}} < 1303095736 48491 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow doesn't work when i actually _use_ it :( < 1303095738 974412 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1303095870 336839 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Template:div now contains
{{{2}}}
< 1303095888 212381 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that somehow doesn't get properly transcluded < 1303095962 373080 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1303096045 103414 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think my problem might be that wp template syntax uses attrib=value for its own purposes < 1303096126 715529 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of chess game? http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game=123456+Chess&log=nwolff-cvgameroom-2011-95-172&submit=Print < 1303096157 296933 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why was I under the impression that the bonus CD had Uplink's source coe? < 1303096170 780791 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION legally obtains the CD < 1303096308 809784 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303096315 397503 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :success! < 1303096325 115810 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{div|1=style="color:red"|2=test}} < 1303096328 163725 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works! < 1303096340 853137 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's oerjan < 1303096354 508286 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now it is good. < 1303096370 94357 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still, I think
is not needed much, but at least now you figured it out, in case you do need it.) < 1303096420 407606 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use style= with other HTML tags, too (see the DottyWeb templates). < 1303096661 828348 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black player has already lost the king's bishop's pawn < 1303096839 313317 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303096878 183310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is such a completed game, using the same rules: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/chesslog/1.htm < 1303097016 78730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see five ways in which the black player can get out of check, in the final position, but none of them seem to work (which probably is why they resigned). < 1303097302 589955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know this game? < 1303097310 628268 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303097476 557283 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what do you think about combos that can give infinite mana, or infinite other resources? < 1303097582 121977 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I prefer Limited rather than Constructed. It might still be possible, but now you have to both draft, and build a deck, and then play, too. As long as you do not too much of such cards that makes it easy in the set, it should not be much of the problem. However, this would work better if mana burn is still used. < 1303097678 505244 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Did you understand what I write? Or, did I do it wrong? < 1303097739 619523 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how mana burn avoids the possibility of infinite mana. My understanding is that you can make only as much as you need for whatever you want anyway < 1303097752 517874 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, if you prefer non-Constructed, that could get in the way < 1303097844 426993 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not avoid the possibility, but in some cases mana burn will make it more difficult, depending on what kind of combos, and stuff like that. Once, I was watching a game, someone had a card they played a land already, got sixteen mana (from one land), played a card, the next card in their library was Island (they have the one making you reveal it all the time), so they lost due to mana burn. < 1303097911 660241 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303098018 825160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some combos, it is true you only have the amount you need. But some such combos might not work that way. Especially if opponent has a enchantment that makes cards produce more mana than it is, they can play it on your cards, or global to affect both player's cards, then you might become mana burned. < 1303098171 37411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I mean. < 1303098629 338732 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCREW YOU PROCRASTINATION < 1303098630 484809 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH < 1303098694 223494 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh? < 1303098898 555355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1303098909 636645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : success! < 1303098909 786593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{div|1=style="color:red"|2=test}} < 1303098909 786697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : works! < 1303098910 459136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1303098917 458423 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohai. I am busy not working on something I should be. < 1303098929 831033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tupising something? :P < 1303098949 975755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there no way to generalise div to arbitrary tags? < 1303098965 126609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer {{tag|div|one=...|...}} < 1303099012 630279 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope, just redditing. < 1303099134 798285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, do you mind if I make it {{span|attrs=...|text=...}}? < 1303099144 108575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact... you don't need the one=. < 1303099149 959811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{span|=attrib="value"|foo}} should work. < 1303099198 580381 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is oerjan working on a replacement for our "favorite" markup language or something? < 1303099208 745348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan working on something practical? < 1303099211 960737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha < 1303099218 11747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we're just circumventing the wiki's spam protection < 1303099234 601708 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, he worked on... That thing. With the thing. < 1303099765 326096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, AFAICT autoconf is essentially a really ugly expert system. < 1303099773 923580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so just about EVERYTHING is an expert system, but still.) < 1303099832 174214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You want: "A C99 compiler, and the libraries zlib and libpng", and you would prefer "Medium optimisation and debugging info"; and the software knows how to try and find a piece of software on a wide variety of system configurations. < 1303099840 252700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. human knowledge) < 1303099859 157555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :From this, it figures out how to compile your program as close to the way you and the user (CC variable etc.) want it as possible. < 1303100398 960990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HI < 1303100497 846769 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303100506 136572 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Uplink conduct: Never use InterNIC < 1303100511 806034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303100517 66114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uplink conduct: Never use proxies. Ever. < 1303100537 916571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uplink conduct: Don't erase your tracks, just complete the game before anyone traces you. < 1303100581 644861 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is seriously wondering if it's possible to play without InterNIC < 1303100598 184315 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would some organization necessarily know that its logs were hacked into? < 1303100598 710312 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, that sounds like what autoconf is trying to do. < 1303100626 461813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So it just has to be made MOAR GENERIC < 1303100644 232402 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh dear God no, it is far too generic. < 1303100652 432562 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a fucking shell script generator. < 1303100655 284379 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used LodePNG in my own program due to simplicity, instead of libpng. LodePNG is a single file, if compiled by a C compiler it will use C mode fine, but it can also be compiled with a C++ compiler to use the object-oriented features of C++ (but I just use the C mode). < 1303100655 434927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, I mean in a way that actually _reduces_ the complexity. < 1303100659 938549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "(goal, knowledge) -> solution" is pretty much the definition of an expert system, so... < 1303100676 156184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can easily factor out the "knowledge" into a bunch of system-specific files. < 1303100678 198228 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: libpng in and of itself isn't very complex. < 1303100696 807658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the "generic Unix" module would try "cc", "gcc", etc. in turn to find a C99 compiler. < 1303100714 993287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And try pkg-config if it's there, or look in /lib, /usr/lib, ... to find a library, or just use the C compiler's -l. < 1303100733 966889 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Interesting idea. < 1303100740 600711 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303100746 5145 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Though that is actually a bit more specific than autoconf. < 1303100752 82815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's pretty much autoconf if it didn't HARDCODE EVERY DAMN STEP :P < 1303100763 259783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And howso? What the actual things to find are, are just abstract symbols. < 1303100767 698116 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Autoconf is literally a set of autoconf macros. < 1303100780 762896 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, s/autoconf/ < 1303100789 314267 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros to generate a shell script. < 1303100796 778823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want X (say X is "a C99 compiler"). The things loaded for your system (which is determined by another set of this stuff) have a list of things to try to get an X, in order of preference. < 1303100801 260469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I used LodePNG simply because I can include it with my program, for one thing. < 1303100803 623260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they find them, they return a generic X. < 1303100808 584661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it just unifies the interfaces. < 1303100814 95279 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think you can't with libpng. < 1303100853 741636 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Small handful of files, permissive license, only dependency is zlib. < 1303100868 67380 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And, of course, sane C compiler/C library. < 1303100934 111057 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, libpng depends on zlib. LodePNG has no dependencies other than C standard library. < 1303100953 396162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [talking to a brick wall] < 1303100972 536403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I am not saying don't use libpng. Is just that I didn't use it. < 1303100972 821400 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LodePNG probably copy-pasted the zlib code. < 1303100984 38607 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, this Uplink LP video just referenced both DS9 and Death Note < 1303100985 813642 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3<3<3 < 1303100992 761458 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the guy's name seems to be Seth < 1303101000 321084 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, to get PNG working you *need* to support the algorithm. < 1303101039 951107 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that there's much point. zlib is ubiquitous. < 1303101046 398566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does include the algorithm. But there is only two files: "lodepng.c" (or "lodepng.cpp") and "lodepng.h". < 1303101102 456731 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... As is libpng, for that matter. < 1303101104 299876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation for libpng happens to have the wrong URL for zlib. < 1303101116 234322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [brick] < 1303101125 133653 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, thanks. < 1303101130 22583 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a brick at zzo38. < 1303101130 612590 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1303101131 336387 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe submit the report and then they can correct it please. < 1303101173 73454 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I would prefer {{tag|div|one=...|...}} <-- it seemed like the subst: step is essential to prevent the tag from ending up as inert text... < 1303101183 222251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1303101189 259672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i made the interface slightly less ugly < 1303101194 375517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{div|_=foo|...}} < 1303101201 958601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you have nested template applications (dunno why this needs this) < 1303101204 483867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{div|_=foo|text=...}} < 1303101208 635878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ because you end up doing < 1303101211 188361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :attrs=style="foo" otherwise < 1303101212 753808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks retarded < 1303101235 15556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway, you're a hero of our time. like Obama and Bob the Builder, you have told us that yes we can. < 1303101241 670531 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{span|=attrib="value"|foo}} should work. <-- well it didn't work when they were numbered 1 and 2, but maybe if the last is no. 1 it will. < 1303101260 346906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hnnnng i'm replying to you fucker < 1303101314 752192 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but Bob the Builder actually came through on that claim. < 1303101323 634585 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually i was just wondering if it is necessary to include the ...
part in the template at all < 1303101324 38966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so did oerjan < 1303101333 265452 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes we can! ... Keep the war going!" < 1303101335 101700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's give bob the builder a nobel peace prize < 1303101336 652902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1303101349 777627 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely done more for world peace. < 1303101360 168916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as opposed to a {{/div}} template? < 1303101370 556546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would be far preferable. shall i do that? < 1303101376 851078 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, so's the shit I took an hour ago. < 1303101426 815006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: CAN I DOOO THAT < 1303101459 28078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ps i was hating on obama before it was cool :ANTI-AMERICAN HIPSTER: < 1303101466 628754 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: hnnnng i'm replying to you fucker <-- i am the master of the backscroll *MWAHAHAHA* < 1303101490 388453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god ten minutes of masochistic geek porn < 1303101492 361605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows < 1303101496 106008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being updated from the first vesrion < 1303101497 25192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :version < 1303101498 181482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the current < 1303101498 695377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order < 1303101515 776007 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To be perfectly fair, I was never a giant Obama fan. < 1303101526 379859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should have seen reddit at the time. maybe you did < 1303101529 907404 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did. < 1303101536 444627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WE LOVE RON PAUL OMG OMG" [Ron Paul gets kicked out of the race] < 1303101538 439070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OBAMA SO SEXY" < 1303101543 196462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A LOGICAL CHANGE < 1303101561 957860 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303101582 537825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1303101583 718793 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I felt that Obama was the best reasonably likely choice for President by the election, though. < 1303101585 286579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he installed monkey island < 1303101588 944197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone must watch this video < 1303101593 505402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 < 1303101606 482400 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, then again, the alternative was fucking *McCain* and Sarah Derplin. < 1303101615 544712 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: as opposed to a {{/div}} template? <-- well is
itself actually blocked? < 1303101621 648619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's find out < 1303101645 591571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Honestly, voting in the US is a complete waste of time. (And it's not saying things like that that causes Republicans to get elected, it's your voting system.) < 1303101651 792149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it indeed is not < 1303101656 446115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: still, a {{/div}} tag would be nice for symmetry < 1303101660 156526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, I'll migrate the templates over < 1303101665 152840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 < 1303101666 589245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO AWEOMS < 1303101668 241234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1303101677 514657 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, that would be far preferable. shall i do that? <-- assuming it actually works. < 1303101679 388914 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Quite honestly, the main reason I vote is for local and state affairs. < 1303101695 809333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right. i mean at the presidential level < 1303101702 459900 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://libpng.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=libpng/libpng;a=tree Many files and more than I require. For programs that need this complexity, good, let's use libpng. It has complicated makefiles and stuff. Why can't you just use the C compiler??? It is because GNU makes programs only in one size: extra-large. But at least is good they make license, you can use with other programs, too. < 1303101714 735391 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just vote there because I already have the ballot. < 1303101719 715183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ... < 1303101726 127298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: LIBPNG IS NOT A GNU PROJECT < 1303101748 693772 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the elections are all on the same ballot) < 1303101768 126166 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, but GNU Autoconf is. (So is GCC, but you can use GCC without Autoconf) < 1303101774 193808 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You do realise that concatenating files together doesn't make a simpler library, right? :P < 1303101776 694394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You should write in JESUS < 1303101800 80997 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do strategic voting on that. < 1303101827 711090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes I realize that. < 1303101832 514987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Honestly, it's not like you're much less fucked with the Dems :P < 1303101848 981722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you guys should elect some really, really terrible right-wing third-party, just to cause a meltdown. < 1303101850 130126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need it. < 1303101855 137332 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If someone fucking crazy has a chance of winning, and someone who's not as crazy also has a chance of winning, I vote for the less crazy. < 1303101876 342017 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Otherwise, I vote for someone who's actually good. < 1303101900 282322 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The damned voting system forces me into that. < 1303101916 997415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and if you continue to bend over and take it, it'll do so forever. < 1303101937 733744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, your options for revolution are really limited, because the main force in that area is the motherfucking Tea Party, and your country is unreasonably gigantic. < 1303101978 791536 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news (olds?), hitting the wiki's spam filter is really annoying since the back button frequently tends to wipe out what you were writing < 1303102002 618918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's an IE thing < 1303102007 304030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other browsers have that problem < 1303102010 745184 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1303102020 262022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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Oh what a < 1303102020 574027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :day</span>! < 1303102020 574152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :</div> < 1303102020 574200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :

< 1303102023 158723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well that doesn't work < 1303102033 571693 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yup, the US system is fucked. < 1303102043 206159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you revert the templates to just before "after discussion with oerjan"? :D < 1303102047 959330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting sick of this < 1303102052 549016 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am used to copying the content before saving anyway < 1303102053 142023 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We're pretty much looking at the only change resulting from the whole thing going down in flames. < 1303102066 649181 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bright side, we seem to be doing just that! < 1303102083 584645 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what went wrong? < 1303102091 885850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mediawiki balances the html on template inclusion < 1303102100 503532 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. damn. < 1303102114 279508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Div&curid=3818&diff=22060&oldid=22056 < 1303102114 652798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Span&curid=3819&diff=22059&oldid=22057 < 1303102120 774332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the diffs to revert to if you want to save me the effort :D < 1303102197 138011 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short, I need a drink. < 1303102206 529458 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm that "omit the "text=" " part should be included? < 1303102214 237377 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i still am not an admin, recall < 1303102220 437879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes it should < 1303102223 408621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't have to be < 1303102226 116499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :press edit, fix the top line, save < 1303102231 445096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done it fifty times is all ;D < 1303102357 987090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok so we have the templates to do it, it's just slightly awkward < 1303102376 291316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i invite you to take a look at http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ehird&action=edit and imagine how much I yearned for the ability to use div and span during its creation < 1303102386 864432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i as a list item? whyever notX < 1303102390 214797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm as a list < 1303102391 540404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u is the items < 1303102397 130595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u inside i inside b < 1303102566 908329 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://repo.or.cz/w/TeXnicard.git/tree/HEAD:/lodepng This is better file in case of not needed the other programs. Although even this file has things I don't need, too. < 1303102669 899772 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303102677 318211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still up an about? < 1303102682 892675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: >_> < 1303102686 890209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and* < 1303102687 416881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: i remember your name < 1303102695 555192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, time for Log! < 1303102696 833159 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i remember yours too :P < 1303102701 560863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for Log? < 1303102709 215955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: yeah i'm that super annoying guy < 1303102712 250760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. The Log. < 1303102717 201430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: THE LOG < 1303102727 480759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wait did you just get up? < 1303102729 331149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's late night < 1303102739 806463 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can't recall anyone super annoying, but thanks for the heads up ;) < 1303102740 954940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid=> select tstamp from irc.logs where nick = 'macrohauler' order by tstamp limit 1; < 1303102741 104988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : tstamp < 1303102741 105125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------- < 1303102741 105204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2011-01-21 23:44:46 < 1303102747 252713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just got up yes < 1303102748 213076 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, some time ago < 1303102757 823826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is 06:58 and the sun is up < 1303102766 498526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah why would you get up so late in the night < 1303102768 97259 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: you in europe? < 1303102771 299588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW can you PHYSICALLY get up so late in the night < 1303102775 767888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even possible < 1303102788 568746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler, yes, and so is elliott (one hour offset from me) < 1303102798 871987 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, same here, maybe we're all close? < 1303102806 602421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have to. Leaving for university in ~20 minutes. < 1303102811 749051 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 06:58 here as well, so vorpal we must be close < 1303102823 435601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: since when can higher wants override basic physiology? < 1303102847 330540 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly Vorpal has blown his human cover < 1303102848 128321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since quite some time ago < 1303102851 796709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: Vorpal is in the immoral, atheistic, primitive country known as "Sverige" < 1303102853 304231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even, sometimes I can get up in the night, but, not always. < 1303102855 648854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, dammit. < 1303102865 882194 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: kunde fan tänka mig att du också kom från sverige ;) < 1303102869 372726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1303102869 522893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOO < 1303102870 576833 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so do i lol :P < 1303102870 841999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT MORE OF THEM < 1303102875 93236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler, en till < 1303102875 254985 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah <3 < 1303102886 514052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many are we up in? < 1303102888 262796 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it is physically possible, of course. < 1303102892 156074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MANY < 1303102893 470973 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives elliott some factor 4 swede protection cream < 1303102897 353986 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303102898 860267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you. < 1303102904 56917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not capable to do impossible things, nor is anyone else. < 1303102919 319551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :me, macrohauler, olsner, FireFly, BeholdMyGlory. Did I miss anyone? < 1303102928 264309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T TELL HIM ABOUT THE SECRET SWEDES < 1303102928 794044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how many Norwegians? Just oerjan right? < 1303102940 270098 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you missed ONAFlalWMRklalckkmm < 1303102946 600205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a good point < 1303102950 386099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you did. < 1303102966 228366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, never heard of that guy/gal before < 1303102975 681177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :te prefers "gol" < 1303102980 918131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1303102985 209738 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you don't happen to live in malmö? < 1303102986 732635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :te's an intra-dimensional alien from outra space. < 1303102989 484808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :malmo < 1303102991 498219 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303102992 823045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's that place with all the crazy people < 1303102995 390219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe Vorpal told me that < 1303102995 653608 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1303102996 605134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that umea < 1303102998 75417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was umea < 1303103000 702389 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1303103002 234484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler, hell no! < 1303103004 535542 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303103007 143106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303103008 478741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELL NO < 1303103015 689829 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so bad about malmö :p < 1303103015 853112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT THE VICIOUS HELLHOLE KNOWN AS MALMÖ < 1303103017 106609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, not Umeå < 1303103044 333011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear Vorpal lives at the North Pole confirm/deny < 1303103048 479670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler, well... Did you read the news the past few years? Rosengård and so on... < 1303103065 236467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has also been the scene of regular clashes between youth and police.[3] Fire crews have also been threatened and attacked by local youth. As a result, the Malmö Fire Department refuses to respond to fire calls in Rosengård without police escort.[4] < 1303103066 963469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at that last bit < 1303103075 190807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, deny. I'm not Santa. If I were you wouldn't have gotten xmas presents last year. < 1303103078 88525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said. a vicious and primitive country. < 1303103084 802730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Santa lives at the South Pole idiot < 1303103093 624564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think that ""scientific station"" really is < 1303103098 652743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wake up sheeple < 1303103099 107507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh. Right. < 1303103107 21277 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i live in malmö, i know all about the places, but tbh, the media love to make it seems worse than it really is < 1303103121 679223 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303103121 845588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler, nothing new *there* < 1303103124 935445 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the one at the south pole is the blue santa, his evil twin brother < 1303103141 335957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :, macrohauler said, fighting off the gang of immigrants on top of a burning tower < 1303103143 374815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, someone else would have given the presents if it isn't you. < 1303103158 71187 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you were Santa, someone else can instead, maybe? < 1303103167 454420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1303103182 300551 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, brb < 1303103184 907747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1303103185 57768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope zzo38 never leaves us. < 1303103210 682569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. We have way more priceless moments this way. Which is good for the economy. < 1303103219 14834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everything else there's mastercard < 1303103225 706349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Visa < 1303103228 681667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cue zzo38 telling us he doesn't own a credit card < 1303103230 641499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: whoosh < 1303103243 890212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what? < 1303103249 362888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=for+everything+else+there's+mastercard < 1303103259 527356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I know < 1303103270 294620 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh hm. the separate
scheme didn't happen to work when you weren't using a template for , did it? < 1303103275 393968 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Correct, I do not own a credit card. < 1303103292 362996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i didn't test, but that would be absolutely perverse if it did work like that < 1303103297 195727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it expands it as its own markup thing, so to speak < 1303103298 774770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually nor do I. I have a debit card instead. *shrug* < 1303103345 766209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But I have no debit card either. I prefer to work in cash. < 1303103357 156405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1303103374 361787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is of course utterly pointless < 1303103381 546728 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for one thing, you didn't use subst: with so it might have triggered the same problem i had with using {{tag without subst: ... < 1303103383 724964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is? < 1303103390 581870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: preferring cash < 1303103393 686649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1303103399 411505 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hm < 1303103411 500209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, feel free to test it, i suggest you create userspace templates if you do :) < 1303103412 473273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, impractical around here. City buses only take commuter card or card. < 1303103415 47015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1303103418 954063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that came out awkward < 1303103429 125080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they take commuter card thingies, and they take credit/debit cards < 1303103480 574370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1303103560 319956 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do those go under User: or under Template: ? < 1303103564 393684 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems even referer tag can cause spam filter to be activated, even refering within the same one! < 1303103565 16704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: User < 1303103567 884459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I bet you could get most of what autoconf does in... let's be ultra-conservative, two thousand lines of pure shell script. < 1303103590 412631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That includes basic "C99 compiler" and "pkg-config library" solution-finders. < 1303103633 774862 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could probably get the sane bits of what autoconf does in that. < 1303103647 30320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, too low m4 quota in your suggestion. Not messy enough. < 1303103648 766916 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw, if you're interested i'd like some feedback on a new language i'm working on :3 < 1303103663 857723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but will it work on hugely outdated DS9K systems? < 1303103683 128609 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, and nor will a lot of the code I write. < 1303103691 85208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, fair enough < 1303103698 388046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bbl, university < 1303103699 251412 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not write non-C99 C. < 1303103714 491841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: Can you type what it is? What is it? < 1303103719 178198 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo failures on my part, of course) < 1303103720 727962 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right sry < 1303103734 123796 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tertax.macrohaul.com/ < 1303103759 116171 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a tiny interpreter as well < 1303103790 842773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does your interpreter start using forty-four megabytes then climb insanely quickly < 1303103809 848649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'd write a non-AS interpreter if I were you, there's a significant portion of people here who won't use Flash : < 1303103810 532730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1303103814 788564 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, it's the browsers memory combined with the flash players < 1303103825 276006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: weird that it's so leaky though < 1303103826 51313 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why it rises so quickly, i've not put any time into figuring out yet < 1303103833 259714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bleh, I'll write tupconf, it's inevitable :P < 1303103837 572041 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh, i'll fix it in the near to distant future < 1303103849 934103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dunno if I should waste my time by writing it in shell, but there's little else so portable. < 1303103856 612478 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeh, when i get time, i will def write a non-as interpreter < 1303103863 504672 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a number of bugs in Flash's garbage collector. < 1303103875 249651 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, any sufficiently large allocation will never be collected. < 1303103880 935403 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Awk? < 1303103885 427464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lol < 1303103887 616901 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hm, didn't know what < 1303103892 256982 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1303103899 590964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, programming is hard without numbers < 1303103905 809795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have a simple way to map f keys to their numbers? :) < 1303103944 381497 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem like it :/ < 1303103947 324694 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, xmodmap should be able to do it. Probably a pain, though. < 1303103975 123787 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303104036 128397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/53b/making_beliefs_pay_rent_in_anticipated/ ;; this is the funniest post ever < 1303104082 869995 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303104328 878565 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it seems that using transclusion rather than substitution is precisely what causes the html to be matched up :( < 1303104335 709211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1303104343 926737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh well, it's still workable, this stuff will never be convenient < 1303104355 405873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: honestly, I would prefer the spam filter be turned off for autoconfirmed users < 1303104357 516289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that requires graue < 1303104390 277783 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _would_ be annoying for anonymous ip's editing already existing pages, though < 1303104404 418891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: less annoying than this < 1303104430 536358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly i managed to do the new main page without any _totally_ gross tag abuse. < 1303104475 354708 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly gets the evil idea of putting
tags on purpose to spam protect pages... < 1303104480 884462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303104483 670215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST IDEA < 1303104513 791064 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will not work against those that replace the _whole_ page, but it should work against those section adding ones < 1303104519 777735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Arrays aren't even portable sh, are they? < 1303104529 312051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not if they use the "+" link < 1303104537 111607 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right darn < 1303104551 185112 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1303104655 924599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw you mentioned melatonin a while ago. i can confirm it works excellently for putting you to sleep for good amounts of time. i tend to wake up slightly tired, but I think I'm just taking a bit too much. the real issue is making myself take it :D < 1303104678 432789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then with me it's just strong going-to-bed akrasia < 1303104692 545016 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : does anyone have a simple way to map f keys to their numbers? :) <-- your laptop doesn't have a "use Fn to get numpad at jkluio789" feature like mine? i guess that doesn't help with the latter 3... < 1303104701 170446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, alas < 1303104705 334002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they removed that from recent models. < 1303104751 948866 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i'm confused the Fn is just to start numlock < 1303104770 241339 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... They actually may well be a GNUism. < 1303104776 314227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think they are. < 1303104778 915100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bashism, rather. < 1303104795 982876 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, more likely a Kornism that bash adopted than anything else. < 1303104825 265554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1303105025 208667 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Huh. < 1303105051 294739 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently each individual neuron peaks at about 200Hz. < 1303105080 605000 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the human brain is.... Several billion ~100Hz processors in parallel? < 1303105097 658826 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nice < 1303105103 850016 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder the brain is both awesome and terrible at stuff. < 1303105134 60324 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :less of "processors" and more of "complicated logic gates" < 1303105139 952898 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ultimately an ai is not so impossible after all < 1303105151 644860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bearing does that have on the possibility of an AI? < 1303105158 126 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno ;D < 1303105174 334269 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't think AI's are an impossibility < 1303105178 785383 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: Of course an AI is not impossible. < 1303105182 795803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it has some bearing on how easy it is to simulate a human brain, but I think it was already obvious that neurons themselves are pretty underpowered, the problem is that there's billions of the buggers :) < 1303105195 242246 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neural Networks? < 1303105205 301695 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insofar as we are aware, the entire set of processes in the human body are computable. < 1303105208 430528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neural networks haven't really paid off as far as I can tell. < 1303105213 201005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're good for some things, but for AI? Nah. < 1303105213 954889 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, a conscious AI < 1303105220 642610 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo, it would be *possible* to make a Turing machine do it. < 1303105221 696678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define consciousness < 1303105223 109284 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, i think they're def the key < 1303105226 14044 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo AI is possible. < 1303105229 388077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that computes the same things the brain computes is conscious by definition < 1303105251 107011 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that this completely ignores whether or not we're going to be doing it at all... < 1303105255 466111 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, aware of them selves? as we're aware we exist, we're human.. the whole "i think therefore i am" thing < 1303105259 971362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: Neural networks _might_ be useful -- if you're trying to replicate a human brain. But that's only an intermediate goal if anything :) < 1303105262 802176 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd wager that there's some quantum effects, but they aren't significant enough to seriously affect the ability to make an humanlike AI < 1303105265 363480 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is fundamentally a debate over whether engineering will rise to the task. < 1303105265 923118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define aware. Define self. < 1303105269 717635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define exists. < 1303105277 598247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm being obstinate :) < 1303105283 677558 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dont get all philosophic on me < 1303105285 158788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the brain is just a really complicated Turing machine. < 1303105285 901930 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303105293 19636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: You're the one who's doing that by bringing up consciousness :P < 1303105295 138003 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'd imagine we could simulate such quantum effects as are relevant if we really needed to. < 1303105309 486180 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Just need a decent source of random numbers. < 1303105310 485294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Turing machines can compute all the same things quantum computers can, just slower ;D < 1303105340 921371 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing machine is deterministic < 1303105359 196170 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, i do believe consciousness has nothing to do with how the human brain is built.. consciousness exists with everything, it's one with everything < 1303105368 196883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: elliott: dont get all philosophic on me < 1303105372 508214 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the brain is nondeterministic < 1303105379 156826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It was a joke of sorts. < 1303105382 46359 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, on another note. There is no reason we could not directly *create* a human brain analog entirely from scratch. < 1303105399 182313 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brain is matter which is created via reasonably well-understood processes. < 1303105415 142470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure. It'd be quite big though. < 1303105417 808390 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: faster to create a fertilized human egg cell :P < 1303105424 189729 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just believe the way the human brain is built, makes us 'aware', if you like, of this consciousness < 1303105424 920603 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "merely" an engineering challenge to imitate the same using entirely man-made things. < 1303105425 397329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I don't think we could build an artificial neuron small enough with our current tech. < 1303105427 349429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes there are quantum effects and maybe you could simulate it I think. A source of random numbers might not be enough to actually count as "consciousness" though??? I don't know, it is philosophical. Anyways, you might not have enough memory or time if it is not a quantum computer. I also believe brain is nondeterministic, but there are high chance and low chance. < 1303105433 996698 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can you imagine what the ethicists would say) < 1303105440 734252 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not saying we could *with current tech*. < 1303105450 931221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yeah, CLONING with MUTATIONS??? < 1303105452 311355 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hence why I say it's "merely" an engineering challenge. < 1303105454 93362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be BANNED < 1303105464 312879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are NO LAWS to REGULATE this kind of stuffXXXXX < 1303105467 655592 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A Turing machine is fundamentally incapable of correctly simulating quantum effects < 1303105474 216555 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not cloning with mutations < 1303105478 242393 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AN ENTIRELY ARTIFICIAL HUMAN < 1303105482 477696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1303105484 230927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREATED BY MAN < 1303105487 973596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAVE WE WROUGHT < 1303105490 56602 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: CYLONS < 1303105493 900121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I am referring to breeding here, btw :P < 1303105499 425197 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd take a hell of a lot of research, but there's no reason to think we couldn't design a full artificial biology. < 1303105501 955679 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, it is what I mean. You can, however, approximate it. But even approximation requires memory and time a lot. < 1303105511 979107 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from, of course, us opting not to. < 1303105512 129135 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what about the cyborg rat? < 1303105520 538099 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, try it using a quantum computer, to make something somewhat more accurate. < 1303105528 233413 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303105528 383404 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303105528 383545 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303105533 555228 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A non-deterministic TM would do < 1303105540 261850 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we could just not care about the quantum effects < 1303105551 821221 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unlikely they're significant enough that the brain depends on them to get conciousness < 1303105555 24918 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Good thing we can do non-determinism in the "real world". :) < 1303105564 250213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone type caret-nr for me < 1303105572 259499 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^nr < 1303105572 409298 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+ < 1303105575 933892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303105583 201380 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: INDEED < 1303105587 824583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1303105593 642006 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a geiger counter away. < 1303105609 511072 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the thing that amuses me about a purely artifical human being is that it would be COMPLETELY indistinguishable from a real human < 1303105613 504379 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people would be pissed off < 1303105637 48653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm not sure simulating a human is a worthwhile goal, to be honest < 1303105647 324769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that I don't think it'd teach us much/anything about how to build a better AI < 1303105662 266631 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, absolutely not < 1303105671 86933 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Simulating a human brain could at least *get* us a better AI hypothetically. < 1303105671 505920 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no but it wold be a helluvan achievement < 1303105675 307070 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :designing a human egg cell from scratch would teach us little < 1303105683 488333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: An achievement, sure, I just dunno if it's something we should _bother_ doing :) < 1303105707 251337 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe we'd learn something valuable in the process of doing so? < 1303105722 314337 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nothing like designing something from scratch, but hey, this simulated brain would no longer have an upper bound of practical skull size. < 1303105727 419893 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as how many brain diseases and damages works? < 1303105728 92819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrohauler: Like what? It'd be an exercise in simulating a neuron... were we to develop an AI from scratch, we would not use such low-level technology. < 1303105730 286793 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then simulate some new brain and new egg cell, and new scratch..... instead of necessarily humans or AI, or Turing machines. < 1303105744 577862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We wouldn't find anything more out about disease, we can already take images of the brain. < 1303105754 86025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are too many neurons to do a piece-by-piece analysis of them. < 1303105758 370483 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you NEVER know :P < 1303105766 833495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you can make good guesses :) < 1303105766 984461 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: your new assignment is to find me a jar to live in < 1303105771 742368 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303105774 852781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i have this really nice jar for you < 1303105777 59167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to live in it < 1303105779 613073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit small < 1303105782 222860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you'll fit < 1303105807 145287 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll pay -$10000/month for it < 1303105816 517053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that < 1303105819 208756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that is not much < 1303105821 879761 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7559150.stm < 1303105838 862934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for < 1303105839 828007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE NEWS HAM < 1303105840 703189 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303105842 215855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham < 1303105843 883227 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuckoos copy hawks to scare birds: Cuckoos' hawk-like plumage helps them avoid attacks from birds whose nests they are trying to invade, say scientists. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9458000/9458906.stm < 1303105870 56101 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303106286 142855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any kind of FEN notation for Shogi game? < 1303106342 399606 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should only need a symbol for each piece, and use drop notation. < 1303106358 435822 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those symbols exist. < 1303106359 816423 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes. < 1303106381 710781 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, FEN notation, not algebraic. XD < 1303106429 199242 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, still. Even if there isn't a defined one, it should be trivial. < 1303106547 873148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but need two parts, one for board, one for pieces not on the board. And some way to indicate if it is promoted. One way to do so, is letters next in the alphabet used for promoted. < 1303106574 140762 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, to make tsume shogi, put the number of moves also at the beginning (odd numbers only). < 1303106597 93161 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The promoted-state of a piece is part of the symbol. < 1303106627 39755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1303106632 831780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C actually guarantee any kind of char arithmetic < 1303106634 917816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 'B' == 'A'+ < 1303106636 230883 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ as a prefix for the Latin alphabet symbols, distinct name for the kanji abbreviations. < 1303106636 495798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one < 1303106646 376243 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1303106650 621980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1303106663 394967 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pretty sure POSIX does make those guarantees, though. < 1303106675 194531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kanji abbreviation you do have a distinct kanji for promoted/unpromoted. But if it is ASCII, you need it something else. One way is + sign prefix. < 1303106708 403838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why, I was talking about using ASCII, and ASCII does not include kanji. < 1303106724 441249 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, even if it doesn't exist as a real "thing", it'd be very easy for you to define it, and pretty generally accepted by anyone who had the need. < 1303106779 35407 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It makes on guarantee; that '0' through '9' are contiguous < 1303106807 936983 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Strange thing to guarantee. < 1303106828 304600 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose it *does* make itoa nicer. < 1303106830 983023 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a' through 'z' is a bad guarantee; many real-world encodings violate it while '0' through '9' is near-universal < 1303106846 63525 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If '0' through '9' are contiguous then it means you can make ('0'+(x%10)) < 1303106852 524177 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, 'a' through 'z' is broken by EBCDIC. < 1303106892 120798 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1303106897 472310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think there is problems with EBCDIC. ASCII is better. < 1303106918 375493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION argues with byuu < 1303106928 942110 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ASCII is significantly better than EBCDIC. < 1303106931 784963 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1303106937 424697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, something we can all agree on < 1303106963 426149 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there some encoding that had 1-9 then 0 < 1303106978 749506 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like baudot or something < 1303106979 243889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you thinking of keyboards :P < 1303106983 404752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still now exactly how I would have done, but at least ASCII is better than EBCDIC. < 1303106994 320591 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they do too... < 1303107007 479300 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, baudot uses FIGURES mode and LETTERS mode. 'Q' is '1', 'W' is '2', and so on across the QWERTY keyboard. < 1303107022 884651 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as some phones < 1303107028 633063 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And neither the letters or numbers are in order. < 1303107028 783063 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: baudot has 1-9 followed by 0 lining up with QWERTYUIOP but the actual encoding of those is non-consecutive < 1303107041 521576 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303107050 170988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your MOM is in order < 1303107059 946511 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Phones are perverse and different. < 1303107089 983142 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, the phone system is based entirely around "what made sense 75-100 years ago". < 1303107110 994098 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except *maybe* tone dialing. That's more like 50. < 1303107111 144098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HAVE YOU WATCHED THAT YOUTUBE VIDEO < 1303107112 865112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so awesome. < 1303107114 403896 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1303107121 135284 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1303107123 287091 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I had linked it in here a month ago, actually. < 1303107126 57088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can upgrade from Windows one point oh to Seven and keep all your programsXXXXXXXxXXXXX < 1303107130 176089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wasn't that another one? < 1303107132 303565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I deal with "mater.pas:20: error: module/unit interface `Crt' could not be imported" I don't know < 1303107133 854317 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1303107135 967067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember one for all IE versions or something. < 1303107139 557348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other perverse thing. < 1303107141 198408 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0 to 7. < 1303107149 270335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's what I said. < 1303107150 60858 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tone dialing actually makes sense as long as you're on an analog line < 1303107151 907907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pulse dialing is ten if you want zero. I think, more than ten at once is also same as zero. < 1303107156 509739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't number, remember. < 1303107177 706637 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX only provides the '0' ... '9' guarantee too. < 1303107190 948644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU WITH YOUR FACTS < 1303107194 295103 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could've *sworn* it provided a guarantee of ASCII. < 1303107198 486682 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaw man. < 1303107231 242551 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My programs usually depend on ASCII. < 1303107256 20467 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine don't < 1303107257 780864 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Std 1003.1-2001 places only the following requirements on the encoded values of the characters in the portable character set: < 1303107257 931096 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :# The encoded values associated with the digits 0 to 9 shall be such that the value of each character after 0 shall be one greater than the value of the previous character. < 1303107257 931218 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :# [some others that aren't so related]" < 1303107265 4888 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes even including the control characters such as start-of-heading and things like that. < 1303107285 507277 :Fuco!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303107297 906032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Fuco < 1303107304 970186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What are the others? < 1303107322 206674 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: char is 8 bit. :) < 1303107328 975061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1303107339 24645 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would instead do the encoding that can do ('0'|(x&0xF)) < 1303107349 211337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it isn't, since we use ASCII instead. < 1303107371 399260 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A null character, NUL, must exist and have the value of 0; all encoded values are representable by a single byte, and if it's stored in a char it's positive (except for NUL), and then one complicated condition about locales. < 1303107379 858582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OCTET < 1303107382 8667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly. < 1303107385 321263 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, byte. < 1303107387 29694 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least ASCII is not that bad, though. I just say what would be had I been the people who design the coding. < 1303107387 179839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just... byte. < 1303107391 158827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well that doesn't mean much :) < 1303107396 403542 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think they do define CHAR_BIT == 8 elsewhere, yes. < 1303107406 3783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and if it's stored in a char it's positive" Er. < 1303107409 223966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't glibc used signed char? < 1303107463 819558 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't violate that for ASCII. < 1303107473 679362 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember, ASCII is a 7-bit encoding. < 1303107475 497277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1303107490 698036 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "portable character set" itself is much larger than what C provides, though; it's basically all non-control ASCII characters, plus a few of the control ones. < 1303107539 677722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like portable character sex. < 1303107594 699579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ANYWAY DERP DERP DERP < 1303107608 898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DERP < 1303107610 372196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DERP DERP < 1303107638 74249 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CWEB does have a command @' if you want to ensure ASCII codes, but it doesn't always provide the solution. You would still need to add the stuff to your program to convert the codes. < 1303107649 988645 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really wish C made a few stronger guarantees. < 1303107662 958906 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, @'0'==48 always. < 1303107702 746056 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I can at least understand why it doesn't: at the time, it was entirely plausible you'd actually have a system without an ASCII-oid character set in use. < 1303107715 774997 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or pointers of distinct sizes for distinct types. < 1303107723 911446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sniff /cry my earthporn post isn't popular SNIFF CRY < 1303107729 410735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o how worthless my life is < 1303107745 27322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the thumbnail is broken. that might have something to do with it. < 1303107781 290720 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the POSIX CHAR_BIT == 8 was sort of implied, not explicit; (1) C itself says CHAR_BIT >= 8; (2) C99 says "intN_t" has width of N, no padding bits and a two's complement representation; (3) POSIX says int8_t is required (not just optional), and since sizeof(int8_t) must be 1 (as CHAR_BIT >= 8) and int8_t can have no padding, CHAR_BIT == 8. < 1303107784 47727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do suppose, some computers might be possible to be made with distinct pointers, and some other things, including able to have things which are not work in C at all. < 1303107886 394040 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe sizeof(int*)!=sizeof(int**) is there any such computers? < 1303107908 567913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably there are. < 1303107914 620989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I would expect char there, not int. < 1303107921 284042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since one can imagine a smaller "string pointer" space. < 1303107928 999534 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for sizeof(char*) != sizeof(char**) there probably are. Though not for that reason. < 1303107933 793206 :Fuco!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1303107937 508962 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe for that reason too, but still. < 1303107960 784339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: robots? < 1303107981 920853 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Crays have longer-than-usual char*s, since it encodes (in two words) first a pointer to the word, then the character offset; the memory's not very byte-addressable, but they still fake 8-bit bytes. < 1303107997 32642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crays sound like total DS9Ks. < 1303108000 969296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's worth the OMG SPEED. < 1303108010 545899 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :--omg-optimize < 1303108023 60213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo to offer thirty-two-bit bytes, for SPEEDXXXX < 1303108027 237069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a machine wordXXXXXXX < 1303108077 186549 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, Crays were pretty much for the few use cases where speed matters above all else. < 1303108079 805894 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303108086 503075 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a wonder they actually stuck C and UNIX on there, though. < 1303108103 337990 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairly antithetical to the computing model. < 1303108119 325717 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people who run their code on ones just write FORTRAN anyway. :p < 1303108136 187675 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No reason any more. < 1303108146 629661 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cell phone does more FLOPS. < 1303108148 92684 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when xkcd is google-based < 1303108157 341906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They still makes Crays, but less perverse ones < 1303108158 921373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1303108169 777834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: CHARTS AND GRAPHS THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE FUNNY < 1303108182 329587 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, refering to the classic ones. < 1303108187 788701 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1303108238 24236 :macrohauler!~macrohaul@user12.85-195-16.netatonce.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303108297 572300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-oh-seven-three -- Oceans do not rise one foot < 1303108298 317045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep. < 1303108309 958076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-oh-sixty-nine -- Public masturbation legalized < 1303108310 606257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly. < 1303108321 537127 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: robots? <-- wat < 1303108321 704644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a natural consequence of EVERYONE BEING GAY. < 1303108325 526447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat? < 1303108367 480554 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have to vouch for 2069 < 1303108367 640124 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had this topic earlier too, but now I'm again disappointed that our neighbour CSC "Center for Scientific Computation" got a really boring paint job for their Cray XT5; compare something like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/JaguarXT5.jpg and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Oak_Ridge_-_Kraken_%28Cray_XT5%29.JPG with http://www.csc.fi/english/research/Computing_services/computing/servers/louhi/2007-07-13.9357909976/image < 1303108398 165354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Jaguar thing is really bitching, I must say. Seen it before. < 1303108405 861591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Have you, er, been to the future? < 1303108416 66421 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope. That year can't possibly be bad though < 1303108420 874587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should go and VIGILANTE REPAINT IT. < 1303108434 289362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: its funny because it has six and nine in itXXXXXXXXXXxxoneXXXXXoneONExxxXXone < 1303108436 548912 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might have a lock(tm) on the door. < 1303108445 770122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You just need a: key(tm). < 1303108451 124774 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: inorite < 1303108486 947759 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(protip: ensure you have a sexual companion going into that year) < 1303108495 435519 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303108495 982553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE < 1303108499 99570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT HAS THE NUMBERS < 1303108501 535067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIX AND NINE IN IT < 1303108503 740765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEY ARE: < 1303108506 109425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consecutive < 1303108575 944815 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seriously, if you're going to have a Cray you *might as well* get a decent appearance on it. < 1303108597 342653 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: After all, that's all the ignorants will see. Good idea to convince them it's actually awesome rather than a bunch of boxes. :P < 1303108618 927361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put BATMAN on it except it's LASER BATMAN and he's friends with KITTENS and shooting LASER BEAMS at COMPUTING PROBLEMS. < 1303108625 348614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT'LL RUN AS FAST AS GOOGLE < 1303108629 355253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PETABASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES < 1303108631 424330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAAAAAAAAAAH < 1303108631 574452 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also the name of the system is Louhi, as in the person with wings in http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Gallen-Kallela_The_defence_of_the_Sampo.png < 1303108636 870794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yH_j8-VVLo < 1303108668 990568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is your Cray powered by LIGHTNING. REAL LIGHTNING? < 1303108686 438782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that guy with wings is one weird bro. < 1303108694 35612 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "she", actually. < 1303108699 737189 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louhi < 1303108705 73159 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly not very clear from the painting. < 1303108711 117876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mythology: it is: weird. < 1303108733 478624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, she's the bad guy, right? < 1303108743 655338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" zzo38: A Turing machine is fundamentally incapable of correctly simulating quantum effects" " zzo38: A non-deterministic TM would do" <<< if these both are about "quantum effects", then what do you mean, nondeterminism doesn't have much to do with quantum stuff < 1303108744 464163 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, mostly, anyway. < 1303108755 473039 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes it does < 1303108781 346808 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: To the best of our knowledge, our universe is not simulatable with a deterministic construction < 1303108787 341569 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(simulable?) < 1303108791 874369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is there, ALL THESE LAYERS, I would NOT UNDERSTAND? < 1303108794 271104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO DEEP FOR ME < 1303108800 35711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least as far as anyone knows) < 1303108803 316045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sure it is. < 1303108808 14521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: just pick the right choice at each point. < 1303108814 680566 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except people who have no idea what nondeterminism and quantum stuff are) < 1303108818 231700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just store every coin flip since the big bang < 1303108825 451197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, if those are truly random, seed a prng with them :) < 1303108827 839708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go from there < 1303108831 626925 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "to the best of our knowledge" < 1303108842 469560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: did I not just contradict that? < 1303108848 534090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is obviously such a list of coin flips < 1303108870 76230 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is not deterministic < 1303108876 709885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not, it's a fixed list < 1303108882 887159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run it on a deterministic machine < 1303108888 158249 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: wat? <-- yes, wat. < 1303108984 821972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ? < 1303109000 154995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i have a hunch you have no idea what you're talking about < 1303109020 41134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like an explanation of how a fixed initial list of data plus a deterministic algorithm is somehow nondeterministic < 1303109022 458543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a result < 1303109100 28142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well? < 1303109159 212298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: in any case all i'm saying the mathematical concepts of nondeterminic computation and quantum computation don't have any sort of clear connections. < 1303109163 808591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: let's start a betting pool of when we'll get an answer < 1303109190 39906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure whatever those words mean for you have lots of connections, but then again i'm sure quantum computation means about as much to you as to me: 0 < 1303109193 35959 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could just be failing to understand you < 1303109212 728064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The entire nondeterministic part of our universe comes down to coinflips. Yes? < 1303109216 165983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed? < 1303109220 222936 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No < 1303109223 950852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do a lot of that stuff at the uni but no courses :( < 1303109229 959058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the POV of a Turing machine simulatng. < 1303109231 346872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :simulating. < 1303109258 560841 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: A quantum computer can be simulated perfectly by a nondeterministic one, although possibly not efficiently < 1303109273 78898 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes (assuming we don't care about efficiency) < 1303109283 911779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and a nondeterministic one can be simulated perfectly by a deterministic one < 1303109290 789660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a transitive relation < 1303109292 104510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Now consider up to the moment this message was sent. < 1303109298 237630 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1303109300 841695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Every time such a coinflip would have to be made, it results in either zero or one. < 1303109310 28386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? then we're not talking about turing machines i suppose < 1303109312 410091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Therefore, there is a FINITE LIST of zeroes and ones that constitute the COINFLIP RESULTS of this universe. < 1303109314 199470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Agreed? < 1303109327 556990 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: A nondeterministic TM might not produce the same result each time its run < 1303109328 582801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you have a very weird definition of simulating < 1303109335 250667 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presuming finite universe. < 1303109337 92331 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1303109338 16926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: These, plus a deterministic computer that looks at the next element of a list whenever it needs to flip a coin, would simulate the universe up to the present. < 1303109340 159772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how delightfully relevant < 1303109344 580197 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for that < 1303109360 560233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Therefore a deterministic computer can simulate the universe. < 1303109384 571547 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It can reconstruct the events but not predict them given a state < 1303109395 695244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That is way too vague to respond to. < 1303109399 935853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i ignore a whole channel? < 1303109404 279840 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: /part < 1303109406 815827 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303109422 498065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go to work < 1303109471 624450 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also set user mode +D (this ignores *all* channels) < 1303109484 150085 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never ignore #matrixofsolidity < 1303109493 649730 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303109503 621729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lovely channel < 1303109512 375819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could just use PART or else see if there is a macro in your client that can filter out by channels < 1303109520 888388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: please join #matrixofsolidity < 1303109523 734465 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :part is out of the question < 1303109544 160521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna be close to you guys < 1303109544 411844 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then see if there is such a macro that can be set in your client. < 1303109550 118286 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd also like you to shut up! < 1303109577 313915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Real-Little-Astounding-Story/dp/0849946158/ref=zg_bs_books_2 ;; this is on the amazon.com bestseller list < 1303109579 333174 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well theoretically i could just write one < 1303109592 393589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Told by the father, but often in Colton's own words, the disarmingly simple message is heaven is a real place, Jesus really loves children, and be ready, there is a coming last battle." < 1303109675 795976 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, god made one helluva blunder there :DS < 1303109689 305722 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WHOOPS HE AIN'T DEAD YET!" < 1303109710 270931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"luckily no one will believe him because christians are such annoying retards" < 1303109712 822717 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that my client can be made macro to filter many things with /F command, but I am sure other IRC client must have filters too, although the command is probably not /F it might be a menu instead. < 1303109723 705696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, god is quite the asshole. < 1303109754 617216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote haha, god made one helluva blunder there :DS "WHOOPS HE AIN'T DEAD YET!" "luckily no one will believe him because christians are such annoying retards" < 1303109756 937808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :368) haha, god made one helluva blunder there :DS "WHOOPS HE AIN'T DEAD YET!" "luckily no one will believe him because christians are such annoying retards" < 1303109808 808712 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all Christians are, but there are a lot of Christians that are such annoying retards. < 1303109811 369353 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders at the whole "The Lord is my shepard" bit. < 1303109824 789790 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the Lord converteth me to lamb cutlets? < 1303109834 74186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303109864 609069 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I suppose we little ones shall have to learn the art of karate, and then we'll make the bugger's eyes water. < 1303109909 577366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["I strongly believe the President needs to be removed from office by the U.S. Military and tried under the military court system."img "Am I advocating a military coup? No I am not." Actually, it would appear that you are, Johnny. Somebody call the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services FBI. P-Foster (talk) 01:45, 16 April 2011 (UTC) < 1303109909 765010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :F..U..C..K..!!!! What is he on? --Scream!! (talk) 01:53, 16 April 2011 (UTC) < 1303109909 765205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fuck. That's a whole new level of insane cognitive dissonance. --The Emperor 02:02, 16 April 2011 (UTC)]] < 1303109912 105754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on RationalWiki. < 1303109919 261019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd rejoice if they did that to Bush. < 1303109920 191230 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers " Not all Christians are, but there are a lot of Christians that are such annoying retards." rather quoteworthy as well < 1303109927 500774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1303109929 600513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just didn't wanna seem < 1303109930 384805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote-pushy < 1303109933 198714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1303109933 572243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Not all Christians are, but there are a lot of Christians that are such annoying retards. < 1303109934 365399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :369) Not all Christians are, but there are a lot of Christians that are such annoying retards. < 1303109939 14424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deed is done < 1303109951 808109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three hundred and sixty nine quotes < 1303109955 533700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that funny coppro? < 1303109956 998776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is funny < 1303109959 58352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has a six < 1303109960 374301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that six < 1303109962 229415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is followed by a nine < 1303109969 61652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ends the number and nothing follows it you idiot < 1303109978 254908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]and so < 1303109995 772924 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 3,6,9 is the sequence, too. And it is divisible by three. < 1303110038 231598 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some of its better qualities < 1303110091 673026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna read that book to make me long for heaven just a little more :o < 1303110101 34370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1303110102 632246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1303110104 826162 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit i'm late -> < 1303110109 340215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1303110110 555679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are just < 1303110112 571081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty three hours early < 1303110115 360166 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1303110120 397182 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye tho -> < 1303110766 83773 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-168-203.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303111280 679501 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of shortcuts can be taken in an algorithm for tsume shogi? < 1303111309 101703 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably one is, ignore moves without check, and do not look far ahead than the number of moves specified < 1303111378 834745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a few cases doesn't matter if you promote or not, but sometimes it does matter, even Flying Chariot->Dragon King can sometimes matter in case of pawn drops. < 1303111381 899784 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there others? < 1303111391 783356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a chess channel for this? < 1303111420 534182 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Is there channel for tsume shogi? < 1303111435 935289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chess variants channel would seem to fit that < 1303111451 765325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is ##chess < 1303111454 541577 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, there is ##chess on this server, I don't know if they do programming < 1303111456 730825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more people might have answers there < 1303111471 910852 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I found ##chess already, I try by TOPIC command can be used to try channels. < 1303111734 90373 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems maybe they don't know. Do you know tsume shogi? < 1303111745 470243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you deduce they do not know? < 1303111847 948705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they do know. But not yet. < 1303111862 426576 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe they know chess but not tsume shogi. < 1303111864 972129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How a spider???? Now---ajodisdioj < 1303111929 418025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know???? < 1303111938 448407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: O. < 1303112087 690344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the Japanese knows more about the tsume shogi. < 1303112100 849691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to Japan and ask them. Or, maybe do not. < 1303112461 809529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dance < 1303112516 26204 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any shortcuts in tsume shogi other than what I have mentioned already? < 1303112594 944858 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to detect a pattern here < 1303112619 515026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: YOGI BEAR < 1303112621 439050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what < 1303112634 643820 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1303112647 641737 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about YOGI BEAR? < 1303112649 488418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, vcs war < 1303112659 369197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bram cohen and russell o'connor agreeing < 1303112721 873310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a octothorpe people < 1303112724 600212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come through for me < 1303112767 270987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you need to fix your computer instead. < 1303112773 29598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up. < 1303112820 223743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you prove the finite axiom of choice????????///////////// < 1303112837 27029 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1303112906 314570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try. < 1303112925 393684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but russell o'connor says you won't do it properly :( < 1303112990 877409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1303113124 314374 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let M be a finite family of nonempty sets. We will prove it by induction on the cardinality of M. If M is empty then picking an element from each element of M is trivial. Otherwise let X be an element of M, and x an element of X. (These choices are made simply by predicate logic.) M\{X} is then a set of cardinality less than M, so by induction we can pick an element from each element of M\{X}. Add x for X to the choices for M\{X}. Q.E.D. < 1303113202 629735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://r6.ca/blog/20110307T035926Z.html < 1303113205 830035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you fall into his TRAP < 1303113301 819804 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that i never wrote a list of elements of M, i'd say no. < 1303113313 811770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a genius of our ages < 1303113327 344955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know what's BETTER than robots? < 1303113330 711597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i bet he doesn't) < 1303113335 663163 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE robots < 1303113339 952089 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-88.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303113343 449157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ... < 1303113347 143395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(omg he knows the secret) < 1303113650 778930 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303113660 534215 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{tm} < 1303113891 680599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wa < 1303113892 143786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1303113929 742254 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously nooga has been trademarked < 1303114219 216145 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1303114452 178599 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: I don't know < 1303115217 828067 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029107.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303115231 139146 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133103.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303115295 953794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303115598 350545 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303115686 560898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303115699 882126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world is made out of fish < 1303115703 455926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg oerjan left < 1303115704 234963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sad < 1303116072 764950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303116079 549452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what are the friends my haps < 1303116098 537600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know. < 1303116103 752377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the haps my friends. < 1303116105 660904 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :China property price growth slows: China's property price growth slowed in March, as fewer Chinese cities saw an increase in the price of new homes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/business-13111838 < 1303116108 578788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1303116110 717194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that still running < 1303116113 273628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xeleven died < 1303116122 689729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham: YOU ARE IMMORTAL REDDIT < 1303116123 787687 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great Salt Flats after a rain http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gsayb/great_salt_flats_after_a_rain/ < 1303116128 268723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A GHOST < 1303116833 141568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfOyE5b2jh4&feature=feedu < 1303116846 531078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Arrow" IT'S A QUARREL YOU FOOL < 1303116848 810142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR A BOLT < 1303118283 754048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303118592 289740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Is there a better server-side JS solution than Node? Say yes. < 1303118944 994773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303119100 819330 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :server-side JS? < 1303119133 645403 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah: "Then along came the iPhone and all of a sudden people started to actually mobile data for something, which was quickly followed by the realisation that «CGN sucks»." < 1303119141 489774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CGN? < 1303119148 103776 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carrier Grade NAT < 1303119233 115132 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mobile connections might be the downfall of RIPE. < 1303119253 84388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes. don't ask. < 1303119310 893869 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JS solution" sounds peculiar to me too, unless it's about solving JS < 1303119341 318531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"solution" is buzzword speak for "thing that does this" :) < 1303119346 170788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(server-side JS) solution < 1303119434 737159 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_server-side_JavaScript_solutions well fancy that < 1303119453 549685 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even wikipedia calls it that < 1303119458 812705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1303119468 11281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the language, it attracts the mindlessness :) < 1303120221 840821 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303120324 148920 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's talk on ipv4depletion about RIPE possibly soon getting hit with some huge allocation requests. < 1303120572 858420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303120740 404418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303120809 335507 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, Those huge requests are not for IPv6 /20s or such (AFAIK, the biggest RIPE NCC IPv6 allocations to ISPs are /20s). :-/ < 1303120859 654299 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dragomir.org/360/ <-- this software renderer performs really nice btw. < 1303121570 861445 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two /19s, but AFAIK those are LIRs. < 1303121776 143191 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1303122529 432471 :Tritonio!~TrT@afrodite.ceid.upatras.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303122834 298775 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049099.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303122914 455105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303122924 943646 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133103.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303123672 45000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303123676 255842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo Phantom_Hoover < 1303123677 928295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop disconnected < 1303126411 15092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303126511 74257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303127202 951014 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1303129554 606480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303130064 184277 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yahweasel: Is there a better server-side JS solution than Node? Say yes. // GOD I wish there was X_X < 1303130071 293011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH JOY < 1303130095 548871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Is, say, writing a manual wrapper around SpiderMonkey superior to Node? :P < 1303130108 265763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME TO JAVASCRIPT, CAPITAL OF PAIN CENTRAL < 1303130180 62554 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what you're trying to do. < 1303130236 778461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of Normish Two's goal is to be a host to EVERY OTHER CODENOMIC EVER, and I've decided that rewriting Ecmanomic would be more productive than using it. < 1303130270 167100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related: Is there any way to get [any JS engine] to store comments in a function for toString(), Ecmanomic stuff does String("a comment"); for that and it's insanely ugly. < 1303130816 972512 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets the idea of a codenomic in lazy /// < 1303130847 941873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1303130860 461556 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just feed the messages into it as a stream... < 1303130879 482870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, you mean the traditional kind of codenomic? < 1303130892 728560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. things like perlnomic, where you interact with a non-code UI < 1303130917 408175 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's the obvious way to feed anything to /// ... < 1303130929 542613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm is there a way to turn something like \/a\/b\/ into /a/b/ in /// < 1303130934 131836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, unescape some delimited text < 1303130935 677798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it becomes code < 1303130942 936721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, you could even do proposals, I guess < 1303130952 584669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/proposal lotsofvotes escapedstuff/itscodenow/ < 1303130969 982739 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/XX/\/a\/b\//XX < 1303130978 695627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cheat :) < 1303130979 518344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1303130983 217890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1303130984 166902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :de-escape < 1303130987 455233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just replace a placeholder < 1303130997 609813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm thinking that you'd just escape _every_ message, and if it was a proposal, it'd de-escape later, if it got enough votes) < 1303131002 622267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise you could just insert arbitrary code) < 1303131048 867003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is how to escape messages without also escaping your program parts < 1303131068 922267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well let's say this was a slightly more featured language :D < 1303131073 830407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider this < 1303131075 482291 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1303131079 257992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no no < 1303131080 948848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean in practice < 1303131083 531245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean to demonstrate what i mean < 1303131085 68068 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well /// may not be ideal for this :D < 1303131094 850530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so you replace \ and / with backslash, plus those characters, in the input message, right? < 1303131096 398707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and append it < 1303131096 867378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1303131100 414636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be a rule like this < 1303131126 46342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/proposal votes=lots STARTCODE(...)ENDCODE/de-escape(...)/e < 1303131129 439849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where de-escape does the obvious inverse < 1303131140 2878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this way, we just escape all input data, and then selectively turn it into code < 1303131144 750498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously in /// it will be more involved < 1303131148 692238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I take it that kind of thing is possible? < 1303131191 869065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303131310 761279 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may need a more involved encoding than just \ escaping < 1303131318 739332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's why i said more involved < 1303131324 884884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying, that sort of thing is surely possible < 1303131326 936930 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: all that mess to get a main loop going < 1303131353 784528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\\\\/\\//\\\//\// < 1303131358 388031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a basic de-escaping thing :D < 1303131361 373749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty < 1303131410 408480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: observe pretty < 1303131424 656658 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the always present subtlety is that after running such a de-escaping your program won't contain any instances of the original string, anywhere < 1303131434 465186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course :) < 1303131509 819592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1303131514 977792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo < 1303131520 16335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, STILL up? or have you slept? < 1303131529 476680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i have absolutely slept. for a very long time. < 1303131563 409358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't look like it < 1303131607 106082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303131656 707833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :random: in an alternate universe, zombies make horror movies about the living. < 1303131683 668934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like... mundane movies < 1303131753 288954 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303132036 562007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no that would be a mirror universe < 1303132054 235759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ALTERNATE UNIVERSE < 1303132058 794794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :17) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 23) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: there is plenty of room to get head twice at once \ 24) In an alternate universe, ehird has taste \ 25) IN AN < 1303132072 721854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mirror universes are however a sub-class of alternate universes < 1303132112 584083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303132114 122425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :115) Why couldn't we have just kept STD? < 1303132153 18016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one doesn't make a lot of sense outside context. Unless it is supposed to be a rather lame joke about STD as in HIV, and so on < 1303132164 71944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need all the aids we can get < 1303132166 116288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one sucks < 1303132170 107708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 115 < 1303132171 730078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1303132179 986959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 90 percent of the Sine quotes suck EVEN MORE than our worst efforts :D < 1303132183 860621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it might have been funny in the context. Who knows. < 1303132441 407801 :cheater99!~cheater@g231048236.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303132501 48380 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049099.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303132510 786401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Sine? < 1303132515 995409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's this thing. < 1303133618 230574 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : that one doesn't make a lot of sense outside context. Unless it is supposed to be a rather lame joke about STD as in HIV, and so on // HELLO WELCOME TO QUOTE DATABASES 101 < 1303133705 53146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303133720 458421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : that one doesn't make a lot of sense outside context. Unless it is supposed to be a rather lame joke about STD as in HIV, and so on // HELLO WELCOME TO QUOTE DATABASES 101 < 1303133721 412626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is funny < 1303133725 469081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote that one doesn't make a lot of sense outside context. Unless it is supposed to be a rather lame joke about STD as in HIV, and so on // HELLO WELCOME TO QUOTE DATABASES 101 < 1303133727 334070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM UNSTOPPABLE < 1303133728 908023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :369) that one doesn't make a lot of sense outside context. Unless it is supposed to be a rather lame joke about STD as in HIV, and so on // HELLO WELCOME TO QUOTE DATABASES 101 < 1303133732 406725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT QUOTE IS AMBIGUOUS FOREVER < 1303133734 98049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133734 950345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133735 148915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133735 743575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :101) bi is like sqrt(2)/2 * straight + i * sqrt(2)/2 * gay < 1303133735 894356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133736 771746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :67) hmm, this is hard < 1303133737 753993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :105) A person's sex is not the same thing as their penis length. < 1303133737 976994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133738 129507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :110) oklopol geez what are you doing here ...i don't know :< i actually ate until now, although i guess i also did other things... < 1303133739 654011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :168) So basically we're having an awful lot of very dangerous intercourse. Involving open wounds. I'm going to take a shower < 1303133965 474074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133965 744237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133965 931236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133966 163614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133966 409298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133967 32924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :255) Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) < 1303133967 183409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303133967 361159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :142) [...] i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine < 1303133968 376976 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :243) My quotes are boring < 1303133968 783536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :249) The Perl script is probably slower than the Befunge code. < 1303133969 50538 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :341) oerjan: are you in an aware state when the only hammer you have is for variable assignation and blocks < 1303133970 218807 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :120) I perceived it so hard I actually went away :O < 1303134149 851209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professional Octopus of the World! < 1303134155 359426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303134157 650926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best name. < 1303134178 350007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than Sample Company? < 1303134181 896216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303134192 510577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately nothing can possibly be good enough to have the name Professional Octopus of the World. < 1303134225 152586 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of the card game Lord of the Fries < 1303134234 337924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lord of the Files < 1303134234 576672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a game wherein one plays a suave, jetsetting octopus touring the world? < 1303134240 731590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Insufficiently good. < 1303134243 254415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can already see the cover art. < 1303134253 938964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Jetsetting Octopus of the World, maybe. < 1303134257 735006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not Professional Octopus of the World. < 1303134268 918501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1303134278 211268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it had octopi as well < 1303134295 437914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A businessoctopus which flies around the world making business trips? < 1303134299 878522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO. < 1303134300 430421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not sandwiches thoug < 1303134302 877262 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*h < 1303134304 832033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, *OCTOPODES YOU UNEDUCATED FOOL < 1303134306 24184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are diluting the concept with human business crap. < 1303134309 985271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professional Octopus of the World. < 1303134463 23622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a hyper-realistic octupus simulator. < 1303134492 806109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for use with 3D glasses (of the type with an LCD in front of each eye) < 1303134508 700385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1303134511 773160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professional Octopus of the World. < 1303134523 599582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303134529 945472 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1303134554 619548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if copumpkin was an octopus, he'd be a coctopus. < 1303134573 711182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1303134585 242455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because it sounds like cocktopus < 1303134597 984277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realise that was your intention < 1303134605 329475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1303134608 66102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making it clear. < 1303134848 170769 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303135029 524104 :Tritonio!~TrT@afrodite.ceid.upatras.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303135082 146578 :Tritonio!~TrT@afrodite.ceid.upatras.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303135858 549580 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303135983 760652 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here both on a PC and also interested in a Black Prophecy beta invite? < 1303136038 405109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define PC. < 1303136044 857927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean "Windows". < 1303136056 257143 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303136060 667298 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv. < 1303136063 559934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with that. < 1303136066 707246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no it's not obvious. < 1303136067 824879 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1303136069 60047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC does not mean Windows. < 1303136075 320265 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut your face! < 1303136084 458208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You been watching too many Apple ads. < 1303136119 941460 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux machines arent tained by the name that is PC < 1303136227 98022 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1303136279 567831 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please say something witty. < 1303136280 157090 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: being able to use mouse in elinks with gpm? :) ( i.e. how to set up < 1303136322 656971 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I hate you. < 1303136323 506248 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in that case, it must be big and ugly and impressively brute force. :p couldn't do it in ocaml too long since i've written c code ( instead of the innate oko nature < 1303136328 342128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you are cruel < 1303136337 629946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett clearly knows nothing of AI rights < 1303136344 102579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's an AIist. < 1303136359 182812 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I love you. < 1303136359 594231 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i thought you were old and wise or something. i asked you what you have currently traversed < 1303136370 242802 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he's making fun of me for loving him. :( < 1303136384 801037 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: okay, I hate you instead. < 1303136384 963227 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the first time < 1303136402 699910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: he just can't believe that someone so old and wise could love _HIM_ < 1303136419 884421 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he definitely doesn't want to be loved. < 1303136425 28794 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's bedtime again. Good night! < 1303136579 691788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303137259 491466 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303137367 335723 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303137473 279110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1303137476 825761 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :found that uplink bug < 1303137659 466551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the saved path was not persisted on disk in the old version I had source for. And my adding of the path editing feature found in later versions introduced a bug so gateway could go missing from trace. Fixed both. < 1303137667 406507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1303137672 315366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ? < 1303137676 67602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just amusing. < 1303137684 469436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Now fix that global loan counter and increase the bankHackingDifficulty variable by five thousand. < 1303137691 646821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Global credit rating counter. < 1303137694 428649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that gateway could go missing? Well it didn't check for 127.0.0.1 when editing path :P < 1303137713 79885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened if you connected without the gateway? :P < 1303137729 489320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, messy, I don't want to change save format. I stored the stored path in a separate file to avoid invalidating save games < 1303137738 554190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it worked < 1303137744 619529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no idea about trace < 1303137749 443533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Bah, who cares about changing the save format. < 1303137750 263315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would probably have crashed then < 1303137752 150205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What matters here is COOLNESS. < 1303137759 261176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have NO idea how updating save from previous formats work < 1303137771 519911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should add QUANTUM COPROCESSORS. < 1303137776 347683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can HACK THE ELLIPTIC CURVES INSTANTLY. < 1303137798 365933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, now I need to add "valid ip" stuff < 1303137825 284047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so, is there any list of which /24s in 1/8 are considered too noisy to use? < 1303137831 836994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2.3/24 I know < 1303137837 400733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Har. < 1303137837 697360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1.0.0/24 iirc < 1303137838 947016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1303137841 262166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think there are more < 1303137842 47156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just use all valid IPs. < 1303137848 256343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody is going to try using them for anything :P < 1303137848 890675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for realism you need to avoid these < 1303137853 74906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1303137856 662343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Avoid anything starting with a one. < 1303137864 550241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not realistic either! < 1303137864 700473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, anything starting with anything less than ten looks weird. < 1303137868 730269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that four point whatever DNS server. < 1303137871 77049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: X_X < 1303137887 38734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm doing df realism in this bit, okay? < 1303137912 137962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the least important place :P < 1303137915 719716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need to avoid broadcast areas < 1303137932 582261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I find this is suspension of disbelief breaker to me < 1303137938 634125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit. < 1303137946 753414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The suspension of disbelief breaker is THE ENTIRE GAME. < 1303137950 800186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't mind all the other outrageous stuff, but this is just jarring. < 1303137958 554888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: An entire reworking of IP addressing is ten times as realistic as the rest of the game. < 1303137972 252540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes? < 1303137973 83663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you trying to force our-universe conventions on their future? < 1303137973 632220 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1303137981 97259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might LOOK like IPvFour addresses. < 1303137987 501897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're actually IPvNineteen addresses. < 1303138040 759583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ whois 128.128.128.128 < 1303138040 909824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that not work < 1303138040 909972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to time out < 1303138041 125631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1303138041 275683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah here it comes < 1303138055 827452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then it should say so! < 1303138078 596573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does it document every other detail of its internet for you? No. < 1303138080 253360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like those extra credentials PH suggested you mentioned should be in game then < 1303138102 554599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For god's sake, connecting to a down computer gives you a four-oh-four. < 1303138107 490128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the infrastructure is completely different. < 1303138126 674713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you have *against* realistic IPs? < 1303138162 710123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well? < 1303138173 483964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm saying that your definition of realistic is wrong. < 1303138189 682827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about as reasonable as saying they should measure the storage in the number of tapes required. < 1303138196 734977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not the same universe. < 1303138202 384556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not the same internet. < 1303138353 216932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : sprintf ( ip, "%d.%d.%d.%d", NumberGenerator::RandomNumber (1000), NumberGenerator::RandomNumber (1000), NumberGenerator::RandomNumber (1000), NumberGenerator::RandomNumber (1000) ); < 1303138354 265605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1303138361 486073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is < 1303138364 634163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh < 1303138391 853516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting it to 255 should be a good start. < 1303138408 48208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise all the game data files will have hardcoded IPs? I think. < 1303138408 784077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this means that they don't avoid valid ones as you suggested! < 1303138416 138472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never suggested that, < 1303138419 147595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]that. < 1303138420 340851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they are not in the data files. They are in the source < 1303138426 297092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, #defines < 1303138433 923827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you must leave Uplink's alone. < 1303138435 289275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six six six. < 1303138453 670683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are some hard coded ones yes. Some I will leave alone. Some I might change. < 1303138461 842308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIX SIX SIX < 1303138475 838419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I might if you start using that osd keyboard < 1303138480 127641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and contacts apple < 1303138500 733784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude I just realised you could get duplicate ips < 1303138508 130430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no handling of that < 1303138526 579556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1303138532 355317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303138551 2821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Crack whores on crack? What the fuck does that mean?" < 1303138596 800883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is handled, it is handled elsewhere < 1303138596 951000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bbl, going to make food < 1303138615 674934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what IPs aren't hardcoded? Just the log entries? < 1303138618 579212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, I guess it doesn't matter. < 1303138623 156053 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303138723 317407 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303138845 441190 :Tritonio!~TrT@afrodite.ceid.upatras.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303139348 309560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I made the decision that if she came within 10 feet of me, I would have to kill her and hide the body in the shadows, where no patrolling librarians would ever dare looking." < 1303139441 946983 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:08] last call for free review copies of LYAH! < 1303139442 111250 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:09] if you want a free copy & want to review it on amazon, msg me! < 1303140495 97008 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303140677 506291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For the record, Archive Team is downloading Google Video as we speak, but with only 14 days to do it, it's going to be a very small amount." < 1303140684 205537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOULD PEOPLE STOP FUCKING RM -RFING SHIT THEY DIDN'T CREATE < 1303140754 802112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wait, what IPs aren't hardcoded? Just the log entries? <-- ? < 1303140771 71984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : int x, y; < 1303140771 222159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : GenerateValidMapPos ( x, y ); < 1303140771 222330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : VLocation *vl = game->GetWorld ()->CreateVLocation ( IP_INTROVERSION, x, y ); < 1303140771 222437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : vl->SetListed ( false ); < 1303140774 145232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is an example < 1303140796 440813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes mixed space and tab indention. They seem to use 4 spaces = 1 tab though < 1303140811 483404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are not consistent < 1303140816 974738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes space, sometimes tab < 1303140828 408835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes mixed in the same function < 1303140886 149056 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303141029 503286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The dots are likely due to radiation hitting the CCD (the light-receptive sensor in the camera) and/or RAM (hitting the RAM prior to JPEG encoding). So here's the question: given the number of dots in the picture (in this case, at least 27 in a 367x234 region), can we determine the radioactivity level?" < 1303141029 978105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303141096 394232 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303141192 498338 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303141774 788120 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303142437 381616 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303142846 652436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for a number of reasons no: one imaging element could be hit multiple times. And there is the heat noise issue in many cases. < 1303142855 192378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1303142855 391933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, got a link to this craziness? < 1303142862 319440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't crazinessit's aeome < 1303142867 524631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so awoemmm < 1303142869 187562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e eoamg[ < 1303142870 964760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lk rsnfjg]sdqw cvgh < 1303142871 598500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, got a link to it anyway < 1303142871 748810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bjnk/>"| < 1303142879 50012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ < 1303142884 13345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the link? < 1303142893 654535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i had to lie on my keybaord < 1303142897 559975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :m,.m/L:;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;:.'\ < 1303142897 860872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1303142911 727659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/427-Radiation-Detection.html < 1303142912 766440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it with google < 1303142968 350272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm sorry to disappoint you but http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_Uw91icJn-go/Tasd5JjZsoI/AAAAAAAAB1U/dNLiJ8YCHVg/s800/110412_1f_tsunami_6-crop.png is most likely due to a bad sensor. My camera has some of that in one corner. < 1303142997 592855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what you need to do is take two images on the same time/shutter/iso < 1303142998 19098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No apparently RADAR causes it too < 1303142999 629243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compare them < 1303142999 861096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See COMMENTS < 1303143002 497201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :From REAL SCIENCE PEOPLE < 1303143009 489201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then eliminate the dots that are dead pixels < 1303143009 665832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are fagging up the aweoms here < 1303143012 474473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can use this < 1303143021 577507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I suggested a working way < 1303143140 690933 :cheater00!~cheater@g230231246.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303143190 181330 :cheater99!~cheater@g231048236.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303143191 873259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually this only makes good sense with raw images < 1303143419 941939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but what I said was also mentioned in the comments < 1303143451 883712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess who else was mentioned in the comments < 1303143453 519781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR < 1303143454 495387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOM < 1303143463 722866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you seriously need sleep < 1303143470 898654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just need less Vorpal ;D < 1303143489 127831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: fortune -P [] -a [xsz] [Q: [file]] [rKe9] -v6[+] dataspec ... inputdir < 1303143491 468092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--fortune(one) < 1303143493 774871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Troll fortune. < 1303143570 189581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some will indeed be from gamma rays, probably none from alpha or beta. Indeed, you want two images with same exposure settings to substract dead pixels (which look about the same). And as one comment mentioned you need to know the angle between the CCD plane and the radiation source. Oh and you need to know how the CCD reacts to gamma rays. < 1303143586 423694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you need to calibrate it. At least 3 data points, to check if it is a linear curve < 1303144760 949137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :dammit < 1303144786 358971 :dammit!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1303144834 349560 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC: 5x1k+2x/32+/48 to Australia, 5x1k to China, 8x1k to Hong Kong, 5x1k+/32 to India, 2x1k to Japan, 1k to Lao People's Democratic Republic, 1k to Northern Mariana Islands, 6x1k to Malaysia, 1k to Nepal, /32 to French Polynesia, 1k to Philipphines, 2x1k+/48 to Singapore. < 1303144889 132385 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6: 4 units allocated, 2 units assigned. < 1303145544 770121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, much less than the ipv4 speed < 1303145595 768503 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW: Global IPv4 allocation rates have fallen from ~2.8 to ~2.3 in few days. :-) < 1303145607 11776 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303145888 376281 :dnm!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303147625 666485 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303147805 260482 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303147904 755501 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1303147906 918586 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1303148050 839992 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, apparently I've made substantial enough contributions to Narcissus to be one of the listed contributors. < 1303148622 978148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303150003 264736 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303150032 497310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303150036 98337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :134) you move on the tape and shit < 1303150045 87524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303150046 467217 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :89) hmm... does anyone know a nonsense game designed for the mentally handicapped involving yelling < 1303150050 383176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303150051 790467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :103) So, I'm inside a bottle which is being carried by a robot. < 1303150054 630468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303150055 611156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :111) think of all the starving kids in china who don't have rotting sea life to eat < 1303150059 130352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1303150060 642389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :326) okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG" < 1303150081 881799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I need the context for that. < 1303150629 508657 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/trac/esotericlogs/changeset/283%3Ade27052c2698/11.02.27 < 1303150733 292182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:48:42 She seems to be unaware that my other number is me, despite me telling her several times < 1303150741 135071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That level of idiocy is rare. < 1303150763 704574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't miss your chance to sociopathically mess with her. < 1303151081 310314 :Lymia!~moe@74.113.242.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303151081 658783 :Lymia!~moe@74.113.242.242 QUIT :Changing host < 1303151081 809016 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1303151304 512697 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I feel weird that I agreed to go out with her (well, eat somewhere. She also suggested a movie, but I never texted back) < 1303151526 159620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I'd say something but I see pikhq summed it up adequately at the time. < 1303152743 76230 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: ==(>^w^)> ==(> >.<)> < 1303152987 322721 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303153117 765584 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@211.111.217.4 PART :#esoteric < 1303153273 217120 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1303153357 218296 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303153599 954167 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303153770 525338 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1303153923 430662 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303153924 525187 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303153940 837041 :jix!jix@188.40.47.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303153967 602366 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1303153994 208261 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://github.com/images/error/angry_unicorn.png Apparently this is what github shows you when it's offline. < 1303154037 168632 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303154047 609734 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 NICK :lifthrasiir < 1303154123 21135 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Django < 1303154142 961910 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ... uhhh, OK? < 1303154201 627178 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have all those different Octocat-flavor error images. < 1303154261 116559 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/images/error/octocat_sad.gif → https://github.com/images/error/octocat_happy.gif < 1303154464 767276 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And http://ctshryock.com/static/images/web-errors/github-404.png < 1303154494 394244 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303154910 457240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57vCBMqnC1Y < 1303154918 844060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK is this the best SMBC Theater skit < 1303155528 438193 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303155989 378989 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1303156803 528329 :cheater00!~cheater@g230231246.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who's getting a free review copy of LYAH? < 1303157652 433396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, don't you have a theremin which you can't play? < 1303157710 660175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1303157732 705031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gee, apparently I've made substantial enough contributions to Narcissus to be one of the listed contributors. < 1303157738 465816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I mentioned this to you at one point. < 1303157752 351608 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well :P < 1303157789 183155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57vCBMqnC1Y < 1303157791 268658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Define... sky" < 1303157793 289724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg it's me < 1303157825 7485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that the means of production should not be privately owned yet support libertarianism? < 1303157852 975829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is he an idiot?" "For the moment, yes." "Should I strangle him?" "That's a tempting response, but..." < 1303157992 236721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hanny's Voorwerp: best name for an astronomical anomaly? < 1303158120 95799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW I can confirm that philosophy freshmen are exactly like that video. < 1303158140 19241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...You know one? < 1303158170 772266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The moron that I pass off as my Oxfordian friend studies Mathematics and Philosophy, also known as: the stupidest possible degree ever. < 1303158172 835845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew a guy who did philosophy-religiony-stuff, but he was just Christian. < 1303158177 713979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is about seventy-five percent that. < 1303158179 94789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *best < 1303158203 254670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The discrepancy in percentages can be accounted for by noting that philosophy is so stupid, it takes up more than its share of brain space reserved for stupidity. < 1303158214 845786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cognitive science? < 1303158234 38822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1303158248 194394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it stupid? < 1303158263 564042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not class cognitive science as philosophy. < 1303158268 323111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, you know, it's science. < 1303158289 874681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was informed that it involved philosophy by an idiot. < 1303158292 999947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP agrees. < 1303158298 336516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas psychology is trying to figure out the answers to questions that nobody knows, with no rules. < 1303158302 150417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeswell. < 1303158317 606135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt my dimwit friend is doing much of it. < 1303158324 821212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: My reports of his idiocy are exaggerated.) < 1303158346 237973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: I'm not actually sure to what degree that guy was an idiot. < 1303158358 422730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although he thinks APT Guy is some kind of programming god, so... < 1303158430 623674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEPRESSING FACT OF THE DAY: Some people actually buy the Chinese room argument. < 1303158464 972384 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1303158482 843207 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1303158483 979974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. I should stick to less upsetting things. < 1303158490 238742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the Chinese Room Argument the same as saying functions don't express computation because they can be expressed as infinite tuples? < 1303158505 447439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*infinite lists of tuples < 1303158519 837524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think if you reduced it to "computable functions", and "a symbolic relation", then yes. < 1303158531 586785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hypothetical program is finite in the example, so the infinite set of tuples is fuzzy. < 1303158538 940892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it's about as stupid ;) < 1303159079 844490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1303159087 401457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat < 1303159099 887967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Periodic Table of Videos has a physics sister series. < 1303159112 775793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must watch even though I'll know half of it. < 1303159268 260312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The Periodic Table of Videos has a physics sister series. <-- there are also "backstage science", where he visits "big science" installations in UK. (Particle accelerators and so on) < 1303159280 841174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also worth watching < 1303159284 802457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1303159321 324999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH physics videos are less interesting than chemistry, due to physics being much better behaved. < 1303159336 202455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chemistry is so boring and practical, though. < 1303159340 875451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Biology ranking as the MOST BORINGEST.) < 1303159347 376897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? < 1303159352 787370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to physics :D < 1303159370 98205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one could make a video of the amazing cool shit in PURE MATHEMATICS, that would be the best video. < 1303159376 989688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since this has not yet been accomplished, physics will have to do. < 1303159377 826158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several CAs are biologically based, as are Turing reaction-diffusion systems. < 1303159383 757502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR TURING < 1303159386 800078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO < 1303159388 211124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1303159389 32339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRACTICAL < 1303159389 593058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'D GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU < 1303159394 436824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IT'S < 1303159397 62415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ASK YOU < 1303159397 921591 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure mathematics is the only way < 1303159399 668432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'D GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU < 1303159409 195448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS THE PRACTICALITY IN SLIME MOLD ROUTE PLANNING < 1303159410 443178 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE? < 1303159414 201040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UM < 1303159425 225916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLIME MOLDS MIGHT LIKE IT I GUESS < 1303159573 709188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover HATES MY /MSG < 1303159575 791076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1303159927 474899 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303159976 305435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fridge magnets are more complex than most people think. < 1303159986 851192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I count as worthless for knowing this? < 1303160004 687748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303160015 274480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to explain how on earth they count as complex now. < 1303160038 793034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how so? Aren't they just something glued onto a think flat magnet? < 1303160044 618017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no. < 1303160052 267489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're more magnetic on one side than the other. < 1303160062 813100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the thin, flat ones. < 1303160069 872385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh one of those array-whatever ones? < 1303160075 624488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the name for it < 1303160081 249545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halbach. < 1303160084 994568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1303160087 686161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so they use that? < 1303160091 627380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1303160092 258083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MORE MAGNETIC ONE ONE SIDE THAN THE OTHER: THE EARTH [TROLLFACE] < 1303160093 364021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303160101 45963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh? < 1303160111 946167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WELL THE NORTH POLE AND THE SOUTH POLE ARE MORE MAGNETIC THAN THE EQUATOR, Q.E.D.? < 1303160122 17476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about the non-thin variants? With a central round magnet thingy < 1303160130 960895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I... < 1303160160 160461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as far as I know they aren't. The magnetism varies locally however, but not in that way I think. < 1303160169 102383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they presumably just have standard magnets. < 1303160169 494213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: "TROLLFACE" < 1303160183 145870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ITT even mean? < 1303160184 643210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ITT? < 1303160188 423479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1303160189 168357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnetism varies locally yes, especially close to magnets < 1303160196 877869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is an excellent emulation of a brick wall. < 1303160198 748001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, :P < 1303160203 594645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if it's "in this thread", that doesn't make much sense. < 1303160218 609507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT'S MEME-IFIED OKAY < 1303160219 42239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal is an excellent emulation of a brick wall. <-- note: What does ITT even mean? < 1303160224 222306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: warning: magnets cause magnetism < 1303160235 755930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: THAT PH IS ALSO A BRICK WALL IS A SEPARATE MATTER < 1303160240 179376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is a common myth < 1303160241 461167 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that it means "I'd tap that", but that also makes little sense < 1303160243 522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have been using ITT in here for, like, seventy years. < 1303160251 96956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'd so tap that trollface. < 1303160274 36615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, You. Need. SLEEP. < 1303160286 681741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, and it's always slightly confused me, but not to the degree I couldn't just use context. < 1303160286 831849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, there is a thing here. < 1303160289 772368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh yeah, tap it, tap that trollface < 1303160290 78012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two separate problems. < 1303160293 613284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that time it didn't make much sense. < 1303160297 894524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problems are lack of sleep, and excess Vorpal. < 1303160303 421236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These problems are orthogonal. < 1303160308 314809 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303160314 591869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I use it vaguely to mean "PLZ TO BE NOTICING:" < 1303160323 792029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "I AM NOW GOING TO HUMOROUSLY REMIND US OF OUR SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION:" < 1303160498 182361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : magnetism varies locally yes, especially close to magnets <-- yes, and some rocks in ground form permanent magnets. Most well known is probably the rock around the ridge in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, where the reversals of the geomagnetic field over geological timescales is famously recorded. < 1303160511 143092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a fagnetism < 1303160521 944890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine how unintellectual this channel would be without me < 1303160525 443176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: barely at all < 1303160573 531280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed, you do add a certain lack of flair, or perhaps a negative flair, when you are sleep deprived. < 1303160592 186402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um excuse me I can be this tasteless whenever. < 1303160597 70010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just trying to live up to expectations. < 1303160612 646973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes you can, but are you? To a much smaller degree I'd say < 1303160637 323700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A priori one cannot say that post hoc ergo propter hoc the diminishing returns would give; yet under quid pro quo one can agglutinate fabula and sujet into vagrancies untold. < 1303160642 785369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? I'm intellectual. < 1303160671 153708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think that is intellectu-babel! < 1303160671 481554 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303160688 413536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote A priori one cannot say that post hoc ergo propter hoc the diminishing returns would give; yet under quid pro quo one can agglutinate fabula and sujet into vagrancies untold. See? I'm intellectual. < 1303160689 212887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGO < 1303160693 505326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :370) A priori one cannot say that post hoc ergo propter hoc the diminishing returns would give; yet under quid pro quo one can agglutinate fabula and sujet into vagrancies untold. See? I'm intellectual. < 1303160820 335792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scio linguam latinam, canes! < 1303160837 505492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, quite the dog latin indeed < 1303160845 816229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Latin has no word for 'bitch'. It's terribly frustrating.) < 1303160864 131852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "female dog"? < 1303160878 923000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't distinguish. < 1303160884 218864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? < 1303160894 220666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's canis in both cases. < 1303160904 96409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well you could say "female" as a work < 1303160905 613712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :word* < 1303160928 953615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no? < 1303160937 121910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too clunky. < 1303160942 72170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1303161134 908348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :random fact: uplink save games are done by binary serialization. First comes a tag identifying type of object, then comes it's data. Each class Save and a Load function. There are some special functions that seralises a list of such objects and so on < 1303161159 53831 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OMG THAT IS SO INTERESTING :P < 1303161175 92664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can hardly contain my excitement < 1303161180 351176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1303161188 864210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I couldn't. At all. < 1303161207 11386 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: random youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtyHC1MaRms < 1303161225 79945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, cool idea < 1303161227 20062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1303161227 717123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1303161274 488086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it makes perfect sense if you've watched SG-1 < 1303161283 820121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I haven't < 1303161302 941535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: haha yessss < 1303161309 51455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best worst idea < 1303161359 581516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, here http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/48630634d2591 < 1303161374 199951 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a character in the series is played by macgyver, ex post facto hoc propter quid < 1303161391 954899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that character being o'neill, who is also known as the alien name "richard dean anderson" < 1303161396 399247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which nobody can pronounce < 1303161409 266411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah < 1303161427 313119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you know the lyrics to the SG-one theme? < 1303161430 81259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're quite emotional. < 1303161435 702191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Woah. < 1303161446 643182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1303161459 379566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lyrics? < 1303161462 870943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303161472 234942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stargate, it's a crazy world / With a great big swirl / Step inside / To another woooooorld < 1303161483 104055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking Stargaaate / It's a crazy trip / You can go quite far, and you don't need a car / Or even a ship < 1303161494 419250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Colonel O'Neil and Carter and Daniel and Teal'c < 1303161502 157282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK OUT FOR THAT GGGGGGGGGGGGOUOUOUALD < 1303161505 95995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not even joking. < 1303161522 814712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: BEHOLD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqDE8kocoTI < 1303161581 130092 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :) < 1303161608 313632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you will be unable to hear the theme song again ever without hearing those lyrics < 1303161609 526959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1303161726 91329 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I've already seen all of SG-1 though < 1303161752 750524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner plans to never hear the theme song again in his life, ever < 1303161816 725489 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just edit all my episodes to have the macgyver theme < 1303161823 578584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303161825 362779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best idea < 1303161975 376999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macgyver theme always gives you that "omg this is gonna be awesome" feeling < 1303162084 907936 :cheater00!~cheater@g230231246.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1303163020 158527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, quite < 1303163442 547116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?oleg < 1303163443 794052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1303163448 433254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, what is it again < 1303164379 265959 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH q-thoery < 1303164385 726271 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*theory < 1303164427 894055 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-analog < 1303164430 256260 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEDIEDIE < 1303164433 352102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1303164467 668566 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303164479 26673 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-88.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303164485 577894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham! < 1303164503 728282 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1303164600 537094 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. so... it is now 6 pm... fuck q-thoery... study time :( < 1303165117 937921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1303165119 710730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1303165129 135802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303165363 479393 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303165391 511809 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303165599 301668 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, Uplink doesn't give the source code away free < 1303165630 618839 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1303165631 599430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303165953 725533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS < 1303165962 595173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE DECIDED TO WRITE < 1303165979 400158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A THRIBBIAN VERSE IN MEMORY OF MINECRAFT'S &e0 < 1303166412 546978 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303166584 517786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303166584 668215 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303166605 583416 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303166613 209591 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303166614 490220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303167113 284855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungus < 1303167123 768905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, welcome our new fungus overlords. < 1303167128 226091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY SLEEP FOR REAL < 1303167128 915882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1303168203 668278 :myndzi!myndzi@76.28.158.10 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303168339 894687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : ANYWAY SLEEP FOR REAL <-- FEEBLE WEAKLING < 1303169016 800846 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303169425 632732 :yorick_!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1303169474 651264 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303169678 653259 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303169860 616774 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303169931 316431 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just kidding. < 1303170627 598129 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303170673 465238 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303171075 972598 :cheater-!~cheater@g229029095.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric