< 1303171225 791073 :cheater00!~cheater@g230231246.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303172183 823844 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is looking at the Uplink code < 1303172219 429670 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, a certain gateway has anonymity < 1303172538 203354 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION determines that Demo vs Nondemo makes a difference to the compiled binary < 1303172540 737625 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saddens < 1303173860 630065 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1303174472 775231 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303174729 705758 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303176810 238207 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Support for all forms of whitespace in ECMA-262 7.2: Just like it says in the topic. Although I needed BOM in particular, support for the Ogham space mark will greatly improve compatibility with ancient Irish esotericist JavaScript programmers." < 1303177119 38331 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1303177816 22142 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seizure is not the only potential consequence of getting caught < 1303177997 156175 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Caught in the act of what, pray tell? < 1303178008 493045 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacking (in Uplink) < 1303178805 341094 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :成程。 < 1303178822 314928 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303178912 406697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303179103 624971 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellote, oerjan, lament. < 1303179117 463568 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1303179309 440464 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am convinced that Japanese bands are in a competition for "weirdest name". < 1303179363 429807 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sakanaction", "the pillows", "B'z", "Bump of Chicken"... < 1303179376 339633 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, "Bump of Chicken" is winning. < 1303179694 70778 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303179703 93960 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The system appears to have more security holes than popular 'Micro software' written in the late 20th century." < 1303179721 97113 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^part of a news item if the Global Criminal Database is hacked repeatedl < 1303180310 729861 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Further more, there is no record of which real person uses which username." < 1303180312 187736 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1303180689 287995 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU COMBINATORICS < 1303180692 961945 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSE YOU FOR ALL ETERNITY < 1303180717 691790 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, combinatorics is friggin' awesome < 1303182016 820235 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From some guide: < 1303182025 477327 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The patch is simply a replacement exe file" < 1303182040 896263 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that the distinction between demo/full is in the exe... < 1303182335 611842 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303182500 415754 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303182555 774209 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303182680 544229 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear algebra would be a much nicer class if it didn't have pointless, tedious computation in it. < 1303182761 486752 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention it could have actually useful stuff in it. "Compress this image." :P < 1303183074 86094 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303183118 547525 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, plenty of people here < 1303183222 851091 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303183275 776237 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There usually are. < 1303183389 317992 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been here before, so it's a bit of a pleasant surprise. < 1303183412 652010 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1303183433 799938 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what this place is/ < 1303183444 583344 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes we get people thinking it's something that it's not. < 1303183464 129646 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Aye, there be that chance. < 1303183582 266488 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would they think it was? I know where I am, I came here from the wiki. < 1303183588 836340 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303183628 374375 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We often get people coming in here thinking it's about esotericism. < 1303183635 616817 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than esoteric programming. < 1303183657 916009 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed the channel title, actually. < 1303183671 303359 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I get it now. < 1303183714 634555 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303183926 533725 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303184236 516514 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303184286 638830 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems quite ATM. < 1303184296 869919 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, elliott isn't here. That'd do it. < 1303184297 92162 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303184720 129955 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1303184821 567170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I sure? < 1303184833 107133 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure of what? < 1303184861 477745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it was you were describing. < 1303184887 157059 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1303184892 936861 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, s/quite/quiet/ < 1303184894 591156 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1303184918 948443 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Now I know. Thanks. < 1303185151 382882 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303186853 134792 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty funny hearing the claim that I can't believe evolution because it's against my religion. < 1303186873 375408 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I checked, the only thing against my professed religious beliefs would be a belief in a deity. < 1303187173 193490 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some people have not even understand what the religion they claim to be, some of what it actually is, so it can confuse that sometimes. < 1303187275 496836 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must... resist... urge... to `addquote < 1303187287 580452 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Actually, more just funny that they presumed I had a religious faith more than anything else. < 1303187368 88151 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, many people seem ignorant that atheism implies the following: {} < 1303187615 914386 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303187616 457014 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303187616 606984 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303187645 382457 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you sometimes get someone join, and then changing host and joined again? < 1303187668 170903 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The mask is set on identifying to nickserv. < 1303187684 255294 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He joined and then identified to nickserv. < 1303187699 916666 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that his client is sending both commands roughly simultaneously. < 1303187702 157526 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should identify first? < 1303187727 65174 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it a race condition for whether or not he joins and then gets a host mask. < 1303187749 175497 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to send a password first, before the USER command and then JOIN? < 1303187771 184905 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it'd be easy enough to fix. < 1303187782 149055 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying that this is what his client is doing. :) < 1303187783 719738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, you should use the password field in your IRC client to make it do that and also would make it to not display the password on the screen? < 1303187794 272920 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1303187794 478795 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1303187879 314074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a race condition even if you send the password first - data probably has to be sent back and forth to freenode's services before you get the cloak? < 1303187898 142284 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall something about that, anyhow < 1303187943 524604 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could set it up to wait for a reply from nickserv with a sufficiently smart client. < 1303187948 319361 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it might depend on network lag < 1303187975 285546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true. < 1303187975 981848 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. I do not use the cloak but I do put the password first and then get "This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify ." followed immediately by < 1303187979 528549 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would actually be necessary to avoid a race condition, actually. < 1303187980 493341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are now identified for zzo38." < 1303188000 152839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that last message ought to be enough... < 1303188033 59924 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also those messages do seem to show that things take a while to be sorted out < 1303188040 8747 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it would seem to me, too. But it sends both messages < 1303188169 238286 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My, rum is delicious. < 1303188267 977646 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimate the number of pages of TeXnicard so far and when it is finished. < 1303188278 676199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also estimate how many bugs it has. < 1303188404 965144 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303188781 910523 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303188782 60600 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303188782 60777 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303188795 250672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please measure the size of a program in pages. < 1303188854 970993 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303189209 68037 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1303189223 876367 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This episode of SGU sounds a lot like a DS9 plot < 1303189266 848654 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, similar < 1303189342 512927 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1303189352 440847 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :China is sitting on enough reserves to buy New York City. < 1303189407 246265 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 times over. < 1303190981 976113 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1303191078 230156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make ASCII tsume shogi notation, can be number of moves, and the letters, uppercase for firstplayer lowercase for second player with 'B' promote to 'C', 'D' promote to 'E', 'F' to 'G', and so on, and then the pieces available to drop < 1303191298 772513 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not. < 1303191323 423038 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it can be made into the diagram with kanji, from that. < 1303191450 828516 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A function from ASCII notation to a full board would be trivial, so. < 1303191515 256457 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make program for tsume shogi. I played tsume shogi game on GameBoy, too. < 1303191764 849205 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever play tsume shogi? < 1303192033 231147 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not. < 1303192041 296804 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I have played ordinary shougi. < 1303192196 846368 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know tsume shogi? < 1303192277 653914 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsume just means problems < 1303192286 107856 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know *of* it. < 1303192293 128768 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to chess problems, yuh? < 1303192295 206116 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a game < 1303192310 412544 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, similar to chess problems. However, in tsume shogi you must give check on every turn. < 1303192310 673707 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsumechess :) < 1303192311 585584 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: 詰め has a *lot* of meanings. < 1303192312 816954 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1303192318 426346 :vinh!~user@125.165.146.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303192334 186267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unlike in chess) < 1303192419 847753 :vinh!~user@125.165.146.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-) < 1303192429 789910 :vinh!~user@125.165.146.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sepi.... < 1303192542 488848 :vinh!~user@125.165.146.9 PART :#esoteric < 1303192554 275132 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of algorithm would I use to implement futile interposition rule? < 1303192677 946536 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :futile interposition rule? < 1303192681 339565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Futile interposition rule is: It is not allowed to block check by dropping a piece that can just be captured to make check again without changing anything else. < 1303192713 67156 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run through every other piece and see if it can move there < 1303192732 391886 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or perhaps in shogi, run through every attacking square and see if there is a piece there that can attack) < 1303192749 820802 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then for each piece that could take, see if it delivers check "without changing anything else" < 1303192825 508115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is a few complications < 1303192905 774760 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must clearly define what constitutes a futile interposition < 1303192920 150324 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: duh < 1303192938 593796 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: china is rich thanks to your government's incompetence < 1303192980 204370 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: let's cut taxes and increase war spending < 1303192983 775177 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's guaranteed to work < 1303193002 228814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at this one: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_13/futile.png < 1303193041 137341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the bottom of this webpage: http://www.shogi.net/nexus/ladder/help.html < 1303193053 554519 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, there is a trick. < 1303193084 381619 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot read shogi positions < 1303193090 154141 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read up the futile interposition rule < 1303193094 664657 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303193434 958539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice I posted the GameBoy tsume shogi. Level 1. 1 move. You can move a dragon king causing discovered check by the angle mover in the corner. Now, a piece can be dropped, will be pinned You have to move to the right place to recapture and win (moving to the right pins the other piece too), and that silver general is not in the promotion zone. < 1303193716 874429 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Problem is too little income from taxes? CUT TAXES! INCREASE WAR SPENDING! < 1303193734 186711 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Problem is too bad of an economy? CUT TAXES! INCREASE WAR SPENDING! < 1303193744 639396 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Everything going just fine? CUT TAXES! INCREASE WAR SPENDING! < 1303193795 800376 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Anyways, shougi is pretty easy. It's like chess, but Japanese. :P < 1303193826 100504 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Okay, so the brush-stroke < 1303193834 111063 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was supposed to be C-k, not C-j. < 1303193869 148707 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about brush-stroke? < 1303193884 674855 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the brush-stroke font thing doesn't help much. < 1303193890 751642 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit hard to read the characters. < 1303193903 876370 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially on a low-resolution display. < 1303193941 60913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes especially the promoted side is difficult. < 1303194004 395033 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly if you're not accustomed to Chinese characters. < 1303194012 820570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, they are features of Shogi And Xiangqi I like that Chess does not have, which is the flat pieces. The flat pieces is better way in my opinion. < 1303194052 181103 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Shogi_ryuma.png This does *not* look like 龍馬 to most people. :P < 1303194149 945516 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are correct, the promoted side are written more messy than the unpromoted side, which makes it look unlike it. Usually diagrams, though, use the nonmessy symbols which makes it much easier. < 1303194170 682779 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, GameBoy tsumeshogi has low resolution, which makes it hard to see. < 1303194193 810819 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's using cursive script. < 1303194224 55195 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is generally hard for even native speakers of a Chinese-character-using-language to read. < 1303194250 747272 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence why it's only used in a few contexts, largely for artistic effect) < 1303194490 472090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even English cursive is sometimes written messy; that is, if they are a messy writer, it will be. < 1303194568 14525 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except most English speakers can understand cursive. :P < 1303194667 25774 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The glyphs are with little *apparent* connection to the regular script form. < 1303194703 946997 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but sometimes it is very messy and I cannot understand. This happens when they are very messy writers. Sometimes even noncursive is somewhat difficult if they are very messy writers, though. < 1303194724 690929 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :English cursive is a bit more analogous to Chinese character semicursive script. < 1303194762 919321 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303194770 163939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so. < 1303195317 125981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, shogi pieces have very commonly the same in different sets, and diagrams usually use noncursive, which means it is less difficult to understand. But still it is the good reason to not use cursive, generally. Shogi can also be made with noncursive and it is also easy to understand. < 1303195359 470850 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a shogi set but it isn't very good because board is of paper. < 1303195453 247931 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303195487 771674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1303196228 954337 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-148-231.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303196471 350436 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1303197182 112107 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1303197800 576379 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biggest RIR-level IPv6 allocations in the world: 1x/16, 2x/19, 6x/20, 4x/21, 21x/22. 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:#esoteric < 1303222651 440803 :boily!~boily@poste78-168.wl.t.ulaval.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1303222723 335068 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303222751 929385 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303223019 306772 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303224975 593017 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1303225158 215413 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Client Quit < 1303227764 981717 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303228921 432469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wow, together those 34 blocks are 92% of all RIR-allocated IPv6 address space. <-- so that means things are really speeding up? < 1303228941 649890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I predict ipv6 exhaustion in a handful of years (20-30) < 1303228950 215822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to allocating too large blocks for routing purposes < 1303229491 970714 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303229826 372145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303230113 391725 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Large blocks are easy to route, it is the small ones that are harder. < 1303230563 116433 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC (8x/32+/48 IPv6): 6x1k to Australia, 1k+/32 to China, 1k+/32 to Fiji, 1k+/32 to Hong Kong, 1k+/48 to India, 1k+3x/32 to Japan, 1k to Sri Lanka, /32 to New Zealand. 1k+/32 to Singapore, 2x1k to Thailand, 2+1k to Vietnam. < 1303230610 986277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I know < 1303230622 126110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, but too large allocations and we will run out of ipv6 too < 1303230666 751447 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many /48s in a /20? < 1303230706 732230 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are ~130 000 /20s in current global unicast space. < 1303230893 985458 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the point is, even if IPv6 address allocation pracices aren't exactly efficient, there's still metrick shitton of address space (it grows exponentially as more bits are available). < 1303231253 244942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303231294 791884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glagolitic capital letter spidery ha < 1303231573 483141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303231580 8401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:20:53: It's pretty funny hearing the claim that I can't believe evolution because it's against my religion. < 1303231580 186305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:21:13: Last I checked, the only thing against my professed religious beliefs would be a belief in a deity. < 1303231589 418337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of only works if they know you're atheist :P < 1303231602 173647 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1303231608 325043 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303231612 720485 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a reason to assume some other religious beliefs? < 1303231625 148574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: pikhq was a Christian until very recently. < 1303231628 618787 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, k. < 1303231629 732026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, for really weak values of Christian. < 1303231664 472734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:29:28: Of course, many people seem ignorant that atheism implies the following: {} < 1303231664 650353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally, sure, but something like one hundred percent of people identifying as atheists will base it (or at least pretend to base it) on some form of rationalism < 1303231702 16810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:02:32: China is sitting on enough reserves to buy New York City. < 1303231702 194534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best idea < 1303231703 166184 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot that only pretend to base it on rationalism though < 1303231720 863903 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wouldn't recognize rationalism if it was explained to them < 1303231722 881108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: My parenthical and "some form of" were by no means unintentional :P < 1303231757 494613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, at RationalWiki, the term "rational" means "what most liberals with a Ph.D. in a science believe". < 1303231790 180617 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1303231806 515995 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've run into some rather nasty idiots on rationalskepticism.org < 1303231817 420853 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that think they're the rationalest people ever < 1303231836 297306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like copy/paste from life of brian... < 1303231850 430724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At /r/atheism, "rationalism" is pronounced "atheism" and means "mocking the most idiotic Christians". < 1303231869 891447 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303232185 711870 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is confused < 1303232190 876610 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheism implies there is no god < 1303232202 140247 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's trying to be an agnostic < 1303232214 745644 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who think atheism is rational tend to think that logical positivism is an attribute of the universe, not an attribute of an epistemological model that a couple popular enlightenment-era thinkers had a hard-on for < 1303232237 29041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheism _is_ rational. < 1303232244 481811 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most interesting atheists, imho < 1303232247 404608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but atheism doesn't imply rationality. < 1303232247 754618 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense. < 1303232251 162533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: not nonsense. < 1303232256 459080 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with elliott < 1303232274 4024 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people may be right by accident < 1303232283 266615 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have no evidence for or against something's existence, then you have no evidence for or against it. there is no reasonable 'default' belief. < 1303232290 801016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: what is your position on Russell's Teapot? < 1303232295 192043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Invisible Pink Unicorn? < 1303232300 566829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, these are ancient < 1303232302 348485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even trying < 1303232325 94826 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all of those are examples of things with indeterminate existence, not with existence that is known to be false. < 1303232327 912731 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people that believe in a God of some kind also believe in one that is logically contradictory < 1303232331 217932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you just said you think probability theory is flat out wrong. < 1303232332 274292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lol < 1303232340 931739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: atheism is not the statement "god is known to not exist" < 1303232342 368384 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while the odds are extremely low, they are not zero < 1303232351 20400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the statement "god is so unlikely to exist that it is irrelevant to consider the possibility of its existence" < 1303232357 566861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-theism. not a theist. < 1303232361 432705 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for any number of proposed gods, the likelihood is zero < 1303232377 439782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: because of self-contradiction? that's true < 1303232380 330447 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1303232382 785425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are subsets of Christianity that are not self-contradicting < 1303232387 36063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so, so incredibly unlikely < 1303232391 339112 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1303232400 878320 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we can still shave off a huge bunch of proposed gods < 1303232405 13797 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's not how atheists tend to phrase it. i don't have a problem with non-belief. i have a problem with conflating non-belief with belief in the negation < 1303232412 168486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: strawman < 1303232421 888394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheism is stronger than not-belief < 1303232439 243698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheism is the position that the likelihood of any god existing is so low that it can be discounted < 1303232456 972913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people who self-identify as atheists and say this means that "logic disproves god" or wahtever < 1303232461 815458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a name for these people, a very old name < 1303232462 795922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"idiots" < 1303232489 491246 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i neither believe that russel's teapot exists nor that russel's teapot does not exist. if i could quantify how much it would surprise me if russel's teapot existed, that number would be large. < 1303232518 811098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say Russell's Teapot tortures all those who drink tea < 1303232524 150561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would continue living as if it did not exist < 1303232544 547358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have not shown that atheism is irrational, only that a very stupid form of "atheism" is. < 1303232550 600539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is nothing new < 1303232552 954330 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Russel's teapot existed, I'd be greatly surprised < 1303232561 198921 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if someone believes that the likelyhood of god existing is infinitesimally small but nonzero, they are agnostics, if we are going to be precise. < 1303232574 411048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: ah, you misspelled a word there < 1303232574 956939 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: no, you're using some weird definitions here < 1303232577 895949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace "if we are going to be precise" < 1303232578 255739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1303232584 356804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if we ignore what the words actually mean, and just bullshit out way through" < 1303232585 234794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :our < 1303232601 225312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an "agnostic", by common meaning, is someone who gives undue weight to the hypothesis of god < 1303232608 726286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being unreasonably and irrationally on-the-fence about it < 1303232616 673784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them do this because they have no idea what atheism means. < 1303232625 427912 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not really sure where you are getting your personal definition of atheism. it's very strange. i've heard a few other people quote it, when i've had this discussion before. < 1303232626 520645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because they're just idiots < 1303232642 894563 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feh < 1303232645 444017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: a few other people quote my "personal" definition of atheism? < 1303232650 880454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it... isn't... personal? < 1303232668 578210 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe you all read the same book by an author who explained it poorly? < 1303232673 93945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303232678 325162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're full of shit. < 1303232710 375071 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concur. < 1303232757 714898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep talking to all these people who say a zebra is like a horse but with black and white straps and shit < 1303232771 456830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know for a fact that a zebra is a type of bedsheet < 1303232783 695801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they all read "Hey, Zebras Are Actually Kinda like Horses" by Dr. Idiot McMormon < 1303232789 873318 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to make a distinction between belief in a thing's nonexistence and non-belief in a thing's existence, because the popularity of logical positivism has make a lot of people conflate the two. this tends to come up more often in discussions about atheism, but agnosis is not limited to the question of gods -- it's just a convienient situation in which to bring it up. < 1303232812 920531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try "idiot atheism" for the "Gods definitely (p=one, no rounding errors) do not exist". < 1303232864 482753 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by defining atheism as agnosticism skewed to one side, it makes no clean distinction. < 1303232880 389420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you mean language is designed to be useful and reflect what people actually mean, < 1303232883 52861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be full of useless absolutes? < 1303232886 928939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1303232904 205459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philosophy has invented enough terms by itself that I'm sure it can come up with a few more for ridiculous hypotheses :) < 1303232951 855723 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care what the probabilities people cite are, so long as they aren't limited to zero and one. it's a pet peeve. agnosis in a general sense refers to the eschewing of extremes of probability in one's mental models, and the association with the atheist-theist debate is making it difficult to talk about agnosis outside of that context < 1303232984 188077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Literally, sure, but something like one hundred percent of people identifying as atheists will base it (or at least pretend to base it) on some form of rationalism < 1303232986 856683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no? < 1303232993 827930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New age hippies of certain flavour? < 1303232997 311042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*flavours < 1303232999 794626 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have more than enough people who are far too sure of themselves. we don't need otherwise reasonable people to start being too sure of themselves too < 1303233014 615507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, let's be fair, "atheism" in common use has the even more general meaning of "areligion...ism". < 1303233047 88181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: ok, there's the probability I cite for any God that more than five people have described as "the Christian God": 0. if you want a precise value, i can sit here pressing the 0 key for about an hour, and then there'll be some digits after that < 1303233053 872343 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have other problems with what you call 'idiot atheists' -- for instance, their abrahamocentrism -- but that's an unrelated issue. < 1303233063 35610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, homeopaths are hardly universally religious. < 1303233063 314396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abrahamocentrism is a wonderful word < 1303233068 512906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolls of the tongue < 1303233076 378681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abrahamocentrismabahramocentristabrahamocentrbaicbramcioba < 1303233169 205576 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have yet to see one of the big-name atheists talk about a hypothetical god other than the god of abraham. this isn't because abrahamic religions are dominant, because they aren't. they are dominant in those parts of western europe and the americas that are not yet dominantly atheistic, agnostic, or areligious < 1303233185 814534 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i make a distinction between those three terms) < 1303233219 530578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, The God Delusion was a pretty generic argument, but "big-name atheists" are irrelevant IMO < 1303233235 849703 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the question of 'is there a god', the respective answers are: no, maybe, and fish < 1303233250 395669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them are surely pretty smart people, but most of the new trend of atheist books are fluff < 1303233253 759959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have yet to see one of the big-name atheists talk about a hypothetical god other than the god of abraham. this isn't because abrahamic religions are dominant, because they aren't. they are dominant in those parts of western europe and the americas that are not yet dominantly atheistic, agnostic, or areligious < 1303233266 312850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a demographic survey before making such claims. < 1303233368 800330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christianity and Islam total 3.5 billion adherants, according to WP at least. < 1303233373 366497 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unfortunately, intelligence in other areas appears to have no correlation with ability to counter one's own confirmation bias. i've seen pretty smart people get sucked into obscure religious sects and waste their skills on elaborate attempts at proving the earth is flat mathematically < 1303233399 96826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious as to how you arrived at the conclusion that they are not 'dominant'. < 1303233399 447249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: True. Evolutionary biologists are pretty well-guarded against creationism, though. < 1303233417 917209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know of exactly one creationist evolutionary biologist, and he's a Discovery Institute shill.) < 1303233449 431409 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are clearly capable of formulating a proof, and working one out. but, they have taken it as axiomatic that the earth is flat and then continue on from there, discarding results that don't confirm their axioms < 1303233467 623145 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what are the two most populous nation-states on earth? < 1303233509 311319 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the answer is china and india. you shouldn't have had to look that up. shame on you) < 1303233526 545198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: dude < 1303233528 366725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is IRC < 1303233540 369763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yelling at someone when they don't respond instantly is moronic < 1303233553 255500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH rarely does to anyone because, y'know, not everyone has the IRC window focussed all the time < 1303233577 973536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit], well? < 1303233578 188565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303233580 217379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1303233583 972520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his Wi-Fi drops all the time. < 1303233585 66212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303233585 446475 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1303233585 938138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:17:47: Phantom_Hoover: what are the two most populous nation-states on earth? < 1303233586 265373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:18:29: (the answer is china and india. you shouldn't have had to look that up. shame on you) < 1303233590 270559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn WiFi. < 1303233620 935299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making me miss people making facile arguments and act entitled to an immediate answer. < 1303233650 180678 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the religious makeup of china and india. look at the religious makeup of europe, and keep in mind that numbers for lutheranism are skewed upwards in scandanavia. < 1303233672 245298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit], like I said, the lower bound from WP's figures for religious adherence to Christianity and Islam is 3.5 billion. < 1303233692 282924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's over half of the world population, unless it exceeded 7 billion and I didn't notice. < 1303233708 893838 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1303233726 529469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*: the universal counterargument. < 1303233768 23138 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :add judaism and what percentage would you reckon that is? < 1303233803 80259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a non-entity as far as proportions are concerned. < 1303233826 345205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nentity. < 1303233828 62241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 million at most according to the page. < 1303233856 457461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could start their own nation < 1303233856 978269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1303233875 157295 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, these people are addressing the half of the world that they have the least likelyhood of convincing, and ignoring the rest? < 1303233933 398776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enki-[quit]: most people don't address the entire world < 1303233936 234326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, they speak in English < 1303233938 534462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also limits their market < 1303233938 746503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest is considerably more fragmented, so you can't make generalised arguments. < 1303233939 558602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WONDER WHY < 1303233960 702712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported Operating Systems < 1303233960 880238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Windows 98/SE/ME/2000/XP/Vista/7 < 1303233960 880415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS X 10.x < 1303233960 880525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux 2.4x < 1303233961 396166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1303233965 227536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to downgrade my kernel < 1303233967 681988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this external hard drive < 1303233969 731385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303234013 522834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BtW, India and China combined are only slightly over a third of the world's population, not the crushing majority you seem to think they are. < 1303234042 259810 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am 100% of the population of my world < 1303234061 353072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: deep, man. < 1303234064 202501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, people living on the moon don't count. < 1303234067 545479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE DEEPEST < 1303234069 582508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll have to downgrade my kernel < 1303234070 94247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : for this external hard drive < 1303234071 2853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it < 1303234071 380338 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :solipsists unite! < 1303234075 809434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whoosh < 1303234081 206725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where was it from? < 1303234086 547568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan.co.uk < 1303234089 511106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let me bring up for the seventeenth time < 1303234091 256716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume this is where you live because you're Swedish and hence must live somewhere with huge seasonal temperature variations.) < 1303234092 649617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: solipsist missionaries < 1303234094 948278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be the best thing ever < 1303234095 330003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah I mean what product < 1303234115 550544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: let me find the window :D < 1303234129 500012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scan.co.uk/products/320gb-intenso-6002510-super-slim-external-25-hdd-usb-20-5400-rpm-8mb-cache-bus-powered-black < 1303234131 224752 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey it _could_ make sense... they're tired of their illusion spreading falsehoods... < 1303234142 685312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to find the cheapest external hard drive that's over two-hundred-and-fifty gigs. < 1303234157 224426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "What I'm saying is: You are the only person who exists. Just you." < 1303234162 829431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "I'm not real. I'm a figment of your imagination." < 1303234166 137919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah. < 1303234182 825676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Response: "So are... you a solipsist?" < 1303234189 644060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Absolutely. You're just a figment of my imagination." < 1303234200 42271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sweden => cold => THE MOON? < 1303234218 118801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: good album title < 1303234232 726173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303234347 636694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303234399 930292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: sweden => cold => THE MOON? < 1303234445 627821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, but it also gets incredibly hot on the moon during the (12-day-long) day, and I hear summers in Sweden are very warm. < 1303234462 295638 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I tihnk what's needed to get the previous debate working is a good grasp of what a language game is. < 1303234464 508413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, thus clearly Egypt is the moon < 1303234465 715593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as weell < 1303234475 218209 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people, alas, don't have that < 1303234493 852781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway, Norway is pretty much the same as Sweden there < 1303234499 679823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I live on Cruithne, since I have a great affinity for things with unpronounceable Irish names.) < 1303234560 608778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it explains your name, Adhamhnáin McCool < 1303234561 815375 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-60.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303234561 992988 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-60.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303234561 993150 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303234565 743925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOOPS < 1303234585 840637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please tell me your name is actually accented like that.) < 1303234600 220406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO COMMENT < 1303234608 423156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1303234630 795735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO PROOUNCE YOUR FIRST NAME < 1303234635 500360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROOUNCINATION < 1303234638 618064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1303234644 15079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS A SECRET < 1303234653 819672 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't it just "Phantom"? < 1303234654 862976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU GET ANNOYED WHEN PEOPLE MISPRONOUNCE IT < 1303234662 71569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO COMMENT < 1303234668 756205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Adhamhnáin McCool, pronounced "Phantom Hoover" < 1303234675 95609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I WILL MISPRONOUNCE IT UNLESS YOU TEACH ME < 1303234683 216927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOUR WORST < 1303234689 150855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, McCool has the oo from Hoover, so it sounds kind of similar. < 1303234699 892672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you really muffle Adhamhnáin, it sounds like Phantom pronounced really stuttery. < 1303234701 318268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YES I AGREE < 1303234742 391468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMM < 1303234747 169240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ARE SD CARD TRANSFER RATES < 1303234749 3132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPARED TO USB TWO < 1303234750 553478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ? < 1303234762 636467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT < 1303234762 814019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1303234764 17515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1303234769 662789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no two-hundred-anf-fifty-gig sd cards < 1303234769 859175 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that irish pronunciation is just weird enough that Adhamhnáin _might_ have been pronounced like phantom < 1303234770 882949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER MIND < 1303234778 105682 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303234779 894390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just dreading copying tens of tens of gigabytes over USB Two :) < 1303234794 110362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm watching last episode of Cosmos. Got any actual message? < 1303234801 480526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tens of tens!? that's like HUNDREDS < 1303234802 4516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I ASKED A QUESTION < 1303234804 93761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THEN RETRACTED IT < 1303234812 417097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW CARL SAGAN DIES AT THE END < 1303234814 751502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPOILER < 1303234822 766188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HE WAS THE COSMOS ALL ALONG) < 1303234826 305575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway SD card would depend on the card and the reader < 1303234835 977484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1303234869 398885 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :choking on an apple pie < 1303234872 920475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I could probably get away with only copying a fraction of things. < 1303234877 623124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X home folder, and this home folder. < 1303234890 646703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEN I MUST WIPE EVERYTHING < 1303234895 360449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, why does the trasfer speed matter? You can easily let it run while doing other stuff. This is what we who work in the area of computers call "multi-tasking" < 1303234906 487802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes but sloooow. < 1303234918 561262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, DMA. It doesn't much slow down what else you do < 1303234938 626002 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303234960 991077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean slow in general. < 1303234986 239201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, what's USB Two's theroretical maximum? < 1303234993 21214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but for your use case, why does it matter much < 1303235004 291239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A high-speed (USB 2.0) rate of 480 Mbit/s (~57 MB/s) was introduced in 2001. All hi-speed devices are capable of falling back to full-bandwidth operation if necessary; they are backward compatible. Connectors are identical. < 1303235011 525447 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :480 M... right. < 1303235011 703035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well that's bullshit, there's no way I'd get anywhere near that. < 1303235031 180906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because I'd like to send it back sooner rather than later? < 1303235037 790724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And because I have to be there to reinstall when it finishes. < 1303235041 107254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doing it overnight would be annoying. < 1303235045 397016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well what will it take? A couple of hours? < 1303235051 421142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I need to reboot, I'm fucked. < 1303235057 246953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why is that < 1303235057 784738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I need to restart X all the time, and can't use the console. < 1303235059 942251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could change my password. < 1303235061 709229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could easily use rsync < 1303235064 38985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do the backup < 1303235069 118584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: True, but still. < 1303235075 921597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do it from the console, but STILL < 1303235086 293290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway why would you need to reboot? < 1303235096 85628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19:44:13 up 17 days, 5:34, 19 users, load average: 1.14, 1.15, 1.59 < 1303235096 609195 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SD cards don't tend to saturate USB 2.0 anyway. (SDHC "speed classes" go from 2 up to 10 MB/s == 80 Mbps.) < 1303235122 179180 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some sort of sustained-write speed, if you trust the manufacturer.) < 1303235146 923302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (A) I don't give a shit about your digi-penis[caret]Wuptime. (B) Kernel upgrades, bad hardware support leading to instability, etc. < 1303235160 135358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, W? < 1303235164 74478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C) At least, I have to restart X sometimes multiple times a day, no matter what window manager, because of bad hardware support. < 1303235167 474557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: [caret]W. < 1303235170 669658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1303235173 921295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the W for? < 1303235174 793101 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my: "What is the difference between git and cvs version control systems? I have been happily using CVS for over 10 years and have been told that GIT is much better." < 1303235185 817491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303235192 354793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(D) I don't know, I can't predict the future. < 1303235217 876390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the disk is slower than 480 MBit/s probably < 1303235218 94873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, if you've *happily* used CVS for that long, you obviously barely even need version control < 1303235222 860210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: [caret]W erases the previous word. Lern-to-emacs. < 1303235234 481924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even just lern[two]shell. < 1303235241 53335 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303235248 890803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, I thought it was like your X for ! < 1303235259 811563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NonsenseXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX < 1303235318 256692 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following directories were created: < 1303235318 497347 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :%UserProfile%\WINDOWS < 1303235318 674755 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :%UserProfile%\WINDOWS\system < 1303235319 817970 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1303235472 104086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh my: "What is the difference between git and cvs version control systems? I have been happily using CVS for over 10 years and have been told that GIT is much better." < 1303235480 687431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A question I have often pondered myself. < 1303235494 527887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't use any VCS, so I only do it in a theoretical way. < 1303235500 885395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is because you have no idea what version control is or how it works :P < 1303235531 932479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahahaha < 1303235534 46843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Consider this to be your dismaying PSA of the day: Apparently, if you're a Kindle owner with a magazine subscription, and you decide to stop subscribing, the back issues you previously downloaded are also lost—for good." < 1303235542 377372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks Engadget to see if it's actually true < 1303235551 869343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO POST MUST BE FALSE < 1303235635 143499 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :old news - if you buy a book and they later stop selling it: bam! no book for you < 1303235673 316910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :applies for all these e-book readers that are integrated into online thingies: the only safe way to use them is for pirated books < 1303235719 424432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, the only sensible thing to do when moving to a medium with the immense power of infinite copying is... to restrict copying and viewing even further. < 1303235736 351591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only is water not wet, it's a good towel, dammit. < 1303235922 804893 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good towel: http://www.shopperhive.co.uk/compare/natural-collection-santens-bamboo-and-cotton-shower-towel-prices < 1303235940 558308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... er... < 1303235946 391035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU LINKED THAT < 1303235953 224728 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! It's a good towel. < 1303235953 933372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU JUST RECOMMENDING SOME TOWELS YOU LIKE < 1303235956 995003 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303235961 415058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1303235963 273134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL BUY THEM < 1303235966 373654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY < 1303235969 198372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF THEY ARE SO GOOD AT TOWELING < 1303235971 648930 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently not available, please try again later! < 1303235980 411869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID YOU BUY ALL THE TOWELS FIZZIE < 1303235996 474356 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were those towels in a hotel in Belgium, that's all I know. < 1303236011 874393 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say the made an impression! < 1303236015 443772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, when I'm in Belgian hotels, the thing I think about most is the quality of the towels. < 1303236018 672249 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the/they/ < 1303236024 651790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do Finns have towels? < 1303236028 321973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if they don't that would explain int. < 1303236029 25424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it. < 1303236043 709476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, I'm wet. Guess I'll go to the sauna and MELT THE WETNESS" < 1303236045 712379 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we just dry ourself to some tree-bark. < 1303236077 341295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing like a good tree-barking after you jump into ice-cold water after you come out of the sauna. < 1303236172 444568 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303236251 697317 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303237702 969915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'data Maybe a = Nothing | Just a ' seems like awkward way of defining generalized boolean. Well that is the prose for static typing I guess. < 1303237703 667191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1303237704 362727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : dmwit, Like in Lisp. All types are a subtype of t except nil which is a subtype of null. < 1303237706 450557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP WEENIE < 1303238074 761019 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303238115 567272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the poeple in #python nput me off of python < 1303238119 66965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : annoyed < 1303238122 210416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : this channel sucks < 1303238125 697099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[more of that in hash-haskell] < 1303238126 917382 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303238130 354323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : people are naturally horrible to each other < 1303238132 848265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in haskell-blah: < 1303238139 730729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : one of the guys in #python-ops says crystal-cola has just been spamming python-ops with < 1303238139 908196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'unban me' < 1303238139 908378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol < 1303238139 908483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's j-invariant < 1303238146 325742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :our friend is alive and well :D < 1303238514 124094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in summary, Cosmos. Is pure awesome. < 1303238523 43417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's pure cosmos < 1303238523 889073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot < 1303238528 178090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cosmos isn't made out of awesome < 1303238531 313149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn some science fag < 1303238541 549834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i can be as tasteless as i like even when i've slept < 1303238543 349368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... I meant the movies < 1303238554 410374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal calls episodes of a tv series movies < 1303238554 756338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1303238561 75291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever < 1303238601 287287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. I never claimed you couldn't be tasteless. I just claimed you do it a lot more when sleep deprived... Though I'm sure you are also capable of temporarily reversing it just to prove a point. < 1303238614 82539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your MOM is capable of < 1303238750 808606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow j-invariant is annoying < 1303239900 27611 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303240111 747650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant! < 1303240114 784109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheeee! < 1303240124 585659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best combination of intellect and obnoxiousness ever! < 1303240125 107668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazier than everXXX < 1303240141 871460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You misspelled "insanity". < 1303240155 13453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intellect, obnoxiousness and insanity? < 1303240161 893323 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember j-invariant, what did it do? < 1303240175 826142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: j-invariant left because it went public that we knew who they were. < 1303240183 763542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1303240185 851807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: whatever-fax-was-called-at-the-time beforehand left because of being banned. < 1303240193 226499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, it was a pretty ... hectic... day for them. < 1303240193 947105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1303240202 90492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were whining in hash-haskell about the pointlessness of all programming waah waah < 1303240203 310757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought s?he fell out with #haskell. < 1303240208 6379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got temp-banned for not STFUing < 1303240214 197385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but they're still in hash-haskell now, and haven't returned here. < 1303240242 414728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with trying to solve the halting problem in limited cases and not communicating it clearly enough to avoid looking like an idiot. < 1303240262 917953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was ages ago. < 1303240273 106070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, before that. < 1303240278 410438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before they got banned. < 1303240298 253857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Anyway, previous-fax left because Phantom_Hoover said they "failed at [Conway's Game of] Life", and they took it rather too literally, spamming pages of "FUCK YOU" at him in-channel. < 1303240306 609103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note insanity. < 1303240326 358307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds unproductive < 1303240351 669473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By left, I mean got banned and didn't return post-unban. < 1303240387 142771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, soupdragon's point which lead to that remark was an interesting one I've considered before, but I couldn't resist the pun. < 1303240461 929819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1303240485 556065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a stage version of Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of the War of the Worlds. < 1303240490 464873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1303240552 996599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god < 1303240556 149852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a giant head < 1303240561 728868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1303240562 292161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... words fail me < 1303240567 245358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is too awesome < 1303240620 866369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cgi < 1303240623 415459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1303240633 132771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit dinner intrudes upon my life yet again. < 1303240638 935329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU, DINNER < 1303240676 572625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEED HAH < 1303240678 316446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASH < 1303240680 442814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTOHORPE < 1303240690 871319 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303240731 458309 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303240805 163623 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303240885 798361 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303241306 40591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1303241327 498709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1303241333 441531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The singer looks like an accountant. < 1303241531 714856 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303241764 820074 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303241977 185256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh < 1303241984 34836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's typeclass system is far too weak for this < 1303242017 935153 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303242053 534921 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303242469 196807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs Star Control 2 < 1303242485 979485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOAR LIKE STAR CRAFT TWO < 1303242506 92049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1303242509 985770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why don't you use the on screen keyboard btw? < 1303242511 253370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS NOT FREE < 1303242514 230973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH A CAPITAL F < 1303242522 613894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT IT IS BECAUSE I CAPITALISED THAT LINE < 1303242528 948421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN HINDSIGHT THAT WAS NOT A SMART MOVE < 1303242529 820030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: TO OMUCH WORK < 1303242539 877813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... why < 1303242560 39422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, surely it can be found in your launcher menu, gnome, kde or whatever you use? < 1303242563 30937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1303242612 538448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xvkbd can't, actually. < 1303242613 584504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that game you mentioned... How realistic are the physics? < 1303242617 641677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1303242620 252022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weirc < 1303242621 742287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird* < 1303242643 326452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the combat is a deliberate clone of the original Spacewars'. < 1303242659 167209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm. I don't remember what sort of physics it has < 1303242692 418112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asteroids with gravity towards a central point. < 1303242737 742156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus the voice files are huge. < 1303242753 584607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT SHOULD IMITATE ASTEROIDS II INSTEAD < 1303242762 463647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: since when did I have only 12GB of free space on my home partition. < 1303242784 574073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW the Asteroids II bullets totally need to be fully-fledged objects. < 1303242785 792757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1303242790 531158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BULLETS BENDING DUE TO IMMENSE GRAVITY < 1303242797 465525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had that planned. < 1303242812 139012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I foresee the top-ranking Asteroids II players spending whole matches in severe nested time dilation and insane gravity. < 1303242828 842124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where it becomes a non-realtime strategy game :P < 1303242848 797170 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty awesome to manage to have time dilation in some game < 1303242853 360537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My planned hierarchy for masses basically starts from generic massive body with inertia but not gravity. < 1303242857 223516 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that still maintains real-time strategy stuff < 1303242859 130273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, you mean relativistic? < 1303242865 298885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: That's what's planned in Asteroids II, though your camera is always outside the dilation. < 1303242873 552941 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah < 1303242876 255160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just see everything in your bubble going slowly, and move slowly. < 1303242878 625407 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, well, that works < 1303242890 933616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: An expected strategy is to make a time dilation bubble around your opponent, then circle around it firing bullets. < 1303242893 386757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda-sorta possible, but only assuming infinite processor speed or breakdown at edge cases. < 1303242895 858766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. < 1303242905 52517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Sure, the bullets will go slowly inside, but you can fire them at such speed that your opponent is pretty helpless. < 1303242905 384140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asteroids II is Newtonian with embellishments. < 1303242908 228405 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume breakdown at edge cases is what you have to go for < 1303242920 788792 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a demo of it already? < 1303242921 808834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: We can handle "dilation" (not real dilation) as a special-case. < 1303242926 163951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Heck no X-D < 1303242926 597561 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, proof-of-concept video or such? < 1303242939 455506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Phantom_Hoover has a tech demo which proves that two-dimensional Newtonian works properly with gravity. < 1303242942 67937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk, i.e. you can't be going at 0.99999999999999c and have a billion years of stuff happen in a second. < 1303242954 931691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: It is some Lisp code that prints out a bunch of tuples quickly. < 1303242955 873513 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: obviously not < 1303242961 594184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: (oklopol said it wouldn't work.) < 1303242971 9447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, yeah, it'd be fixed in Asteroids II. < 1303242985 634670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you're going slow enough that nothing will move for a year, you're pretty much done :P < 1303242991 902971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, TbH, I'm not strictly speaking emulating Newtonian gravity in that sim. < 1303243001 2750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but it's two-dimensional gravity. < 1303243003 260770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the rest is Newtonian. < 1303243008 392770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's close enough for a game. < 1303243019 645537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did your restructure go, btw? Not even started yet? :P < 1303243025 438843 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what really will ruin it though < 1303243037 332152 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you're going to end up having a privileged frame < 1303243045 901161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Yes we are, because it's a game :) < 1303243050 78297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: A multiplayer game. < 1303243080 375849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Anyway, the main thing is the gravity and the Newtonianness. < 1303243080 553250 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine not having a privileged frame < 1303243090 468197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would be cool, but would require dilating the user and their computer. < 1303243090 645786 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd run into greatly weird stuff < 1303243094 533048 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1303243098 804114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE CANNOT YET PERFORM SUCH FEATS < 1303243104 610172 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it's entirely impossible to emulate dilation? < 1303243106 638257 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1303243108 692241 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :real dilation < 1303243117 518981 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just dilation wrt priviliged frame < 1303243119 485301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not multiplayer. < 1303243128 817718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For obvious reasons. < 1303243140 161963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. everyone else gets to see what you're going to do five seconds in the future. < 1303243171 390414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : How did your restructure go, btw? Not even started yet? :P < 1303243182 482656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, since I'd like to have a clear picture of the kinds of objects first. < 1303243203 156087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You realise OOP is sort of designed to allow extensibility after-the-fact? :P < 1303243225 113887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you need the initial hierarchy down, though. < 1303243226 686074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but mainly for conceptual clarity. < 1303243287 399829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something that might amuse you: someone in #nethack was complaining that vi didn't do vikeys properly < 1303243291 596170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were trying to move diagonally < 1303243294 208169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1303243306 461326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey coppro, http://i.imgur.com/m0PSa.jpg < 1303243323 634731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thanks reddit) < 1303243327 366421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, it's sort-of unsurprising that Emacs does actually have methods of moving diagonally if required, in certain modes) < 1303243346 116037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does ais523 play Magic the Gathering? I have no idea < 1303243347 859200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't) < 1303243355 555963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I used to, I don't any mroe < 1303243359 247709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523, http://i.imgur.com/m0PSa.jpg < 1303243362 143858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they put out two bad expansions in arow < 1303243389 99189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1303243398 57453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that card is worth over six hundred dollars :) < 1303243399 153806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Vorpal probably does < 1303243403 985093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something silly about a card so rare it's valuable, and so good it's banned from pretty much every tournament < 1303243407 463563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that would require him having friends < 1303243416 837016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YOU'RE MEANT TO BE IN ANGUISH OVER THE FOLDING < 1303243419 154841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd expect a card so good people aren't allowed to play with it to be not all that useful < 1303243431 335376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't there a single-player version? :) < 1303243434 393334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303243434 571104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, if it's that expensive, it must be from the limited edition alpha set < 1303243437 312469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-player mtg < 1303243438 181996 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you can use them as tarot cards < 1303243439 60890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the saddest game < 1303243456 622280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and in beta, it seems xD < 1303243463 646398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Black_lotus.jpg < 1303243473 678108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that description doesn't look particularly powerful, but i have no idea about mtg or anything < 1303243475 183980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as those cards are a different shape from the other sets, you have to put them in deck protectors that hide the difference < 1303243486 301337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1303243498 399815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: put it this way: Dark Ritual is so good it's banned < 1303243509 417881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has the same effect, except restricted to black, and at a cost of one black mana < 1303243513 625787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1303243551 78441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should introduce a card that does Gödel's number damage to EVERYTHING YOUR OPPONENT HAS EVER < 1303243564 46246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then have some ridiculously implausible way to boost health past Gödel's number < 1303243571 700123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada, new rung of top players < 1303243575 23291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: again, i have no idea about mtg or anything < 1303243640 756398 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand steadfastly by the notion that the fact that somebody will pay $600 for something does not mean that it's worth $600 :P < 1303243659 865548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it sort of does, by definition < 1303243671 630478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a black lotus, you could sell it for six hundred dollars < 1303243675 897199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, it's worth six hundred dollars to you < 1303243677 466684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, it's worth six hundred dollars to everyone < 1303243697 480114 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But /I/ wouldn't pay $600 for it, so it's /not/ worth $600 to me. < 1303243713 250779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It is, because if you had it, you could get six hundred dollars for it. < 1303243724 986792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, your house is worth whatever it would sell for, regardless of what you bought it for. < 1303243736 216959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traded in a house for a paperclip? Irrelevant, it's still worth whatever it would sell for. < 1303243757 491219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make the paperclip expensive or the house cheap? < 1303243766 435357 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LACK OF INTRINSICS INFURIATES ME < 1303243888 654516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BECOME A DEONTOLOGIST < 1303243894 495790 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DBF6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303243909 770794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: Vorpal probably does <-- do what? < 1303243920 303525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :play MTG < 1303243944 570159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hell no < 1303243957 204759 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, denial < 1303243970 843686 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and don't try to deny it!) < 1303244005 873537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I find card games boring, and the commercialism of the constant releases of add-ons and so on sickens me. < 1303244011 270307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :trade card games in general do < 1303244042 658457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARD GAMES ARE A TOOL OF THE MAN < 1303244046 627769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO OPPRESS THE PROLETARIAT < 1303244051 860509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S START A COMMUNIST CARD GAME < 1303244058 380045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL THE CARDS IN EXISTENCE ARE DIVIDED EQUALLY BETWEEN EVERY PLAYER < 1303244063 836706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND EVERY CARD IS EXACTLY AS POWERFUL AS EVERY OTHER CARD < 1303244068 825270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well the issue is mostly that the game play becomes about how many cards you bought < 1303244070 300851 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i.e. you find them funny although you realize they should be boring, and it sickens you that you buy all cards of every new release despite the obvious commercialism < 1303244093 291825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, if they were shared between the players like an add-on to many other games it would be different < 1303244105 597955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I don't own any such cards. :P < 1303244134 370662 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is exactly what an owner of such cards would say < 1303244151 308220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, D&D is a lot more fun. < 1303244202 416672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and D[and]D ISN'T commercial? < 1303244251 791745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is. But buying more of a resource from the company doesn't give you an advantage over the other player(s) < 1303244266 105475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is the bit that sickens me < 1303244291 475711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICKENS < 1303244294 947086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICKENS I SAY < 1303244303 573357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEOPLE WILLINGLY SPENDING MONEY AND THEN WILLINGLY PLAYING A GAME??? < 1303244304 322938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICKENING < 1303244320 994876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have absolutely nothing against add-ons that are sold for money. There are quite a few for D&D. But they don't exhibit that property I just described. < 1303244337 91376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICKENING < 1303244352 58799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also you are doing a wildly inaccurate strawman atm < 1303244354 494780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1303244356 418090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICKENING < 1303244385 97843 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I own some MTG cards (some sort of a "starter set" thing-thing thing), but I have never actually played a game of it. < 1303244410 58242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg there is a site that measures how long you listen to nyancat < 1303244416 144844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOTALLY GONNA BREAK THE RECORD < 1303244434 205324 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe reading the Microprose's Magic: The Gathering lparchive.org epic counts, though.) < 1303244456 941722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh. Is there any game there is no lp on? < 1303244494 601213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: life < 1303244496 5467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEEP BRO < 1303244496 183019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEEP < 1303244520 850290 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was about to say "I haven't seen a Skyroads LP, for example", but seems that there is one in the You Tube. < 1303244528 907707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1303244548 403661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't it the one that requires about perfect timing? < 1303244566 143268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skyroads is that thing Ilari was rendering. < 1303244576 32658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I know < 1303244584 282397 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual game is through-playable by mortals, but the Xmas extra levels are... something else. < 1303244609 103729 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick googling says there's at least a couple of Finnish shareware games I know of that don't seem to have letsplay thingsies. < 1303244610 866213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! there is non on NWN1 < 1303244613 552179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :none* < 1303244631 198080 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdcF5ZpCKL0 ? < 1303244636 763807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I meant on lparchive there < 1303244647 812825 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure, there's quite a lot of games that aren't on lparchive. < 1303244657 654562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bluemoon's creation of SkyRoads is a polished-up remake of the game Kosmonaut. The three months spent working on it paid off when the shareware title was released in 1993, selling internationally and getting LCR distribution deals from the U.S. to Taiwan. < 1303244657 868404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game's interface is an instant hit with downloaders." < 1303244659 396660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloaders? < 1303244665 914820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, most good ones are. I haven't seen df lp on youtube < 1303244671 169978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be boring anyway < 1303244682 765184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no Eversion LP on the archive. < 1303244683 636908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there? < 1303244693 220010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be nearly as hilarious as the jewtubes. < 1303244730 725990 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I did a thing; earlier I've only ever looked at Homestuck without sounds; now I went through http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Sound and klickeded most of the links. The flash bits were ridiculously epic before; with the music, they were positively ludicrous. < 1303244766 392172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahaha at Homestuck without the sounds. < 1303244768 309485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that happen? < 1303244795 111752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any video lp of nethack? there are text ones on lparchive < 1303244822 581173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, one of them is videos < 1303244822 796673 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't tend to bother with sound. If I leave the headphones visible, the cat chews on the cord, and taking them out of a box is So Demanding(tm). < 1303244823 642200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1303244833 557036 :boily!~boily@poste78-168.wl.t.ulaval.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303244845 718047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Compared to the time investment that Homestuck poses? :P < 1303244851 939205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wouldn't cat chew on other wires too? Like keyboard cable or power cable? < 1303244856 836350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mouse cable < 1303244858 402460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLUETOOF < 1303244859 104101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, recommend you spread tabasco sauce on cord. < 1303244868 767995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, DOESN'T SOLVE POWER CABLE < 1303244873 605669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teach the little bastard a lesson. < 1303244875 459677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :POWER OVER BLUETOOF < 1303244892 969258 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, well... I try to sort of avoid thinking about how much time it wastes. < 1303244915 692495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have a hypothesis that it is impossible to keep up with Homestuck without having your life revolve around Homestuck. < 1303244937 180942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM DREADING THE PART AFTER I FINALLY FINISH MY ARCHIVE BINGE (i.e. keeping up with like over fifteen panels per day). < 1303244955 352023 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I only look at it every two months or so, and then have to stay awake to 05am or so to catch up. < 1303244983 192508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I am now imagining Archive Binge adding Homestuck upon its completion. < 1303245009 55371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "At one panel per day, it will take you sixteen years to read the entire archive." < 1303245018 509773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming an extremely conservative six-thousand final panel count.) < 1303245075 974143 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at 3700-and-something now. < 1303245131 926377 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's already 10+ years for page-a-day-keeps-the-doctor... busy? < 1303245179 657157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OMG I am going to raise any child I have on the diet of one Homestuck per day. < 1303245183 843704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the end, e might even understand it. < 1303245196 596045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO WAIT < 1303245200 266981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting on eir thirteen birthday. < 1303245202 556009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD BEST IDEA < 1303245204 851532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am curious as to how you plan to acquire this child. < 1303245220 311562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S TOTALLY WORTH FORCING THEM TO STAY AT HOME AND READ IT UNTIL THEY'RE TWENTY-NINE < 1303245238 490729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DO THEY HAVE... EGG BANKS < 1303245241 858615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I COULD ROB ONE < 1303245248 529439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1303245264 448820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEN IMPLANT IT INTO MYSELF I GUESS < 1303245268 521618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND POOP OUT A BABY < 1303245320 321780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IDEA IS NOT ANATOMICALLY SOUND I AM AFRAID < 1303245337 183531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/925584 < 1303245342 140615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SHUT UP < 1303245345 809484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BABY DOESN'T NEED A WOMB < 1303245346 656102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY LOVE < 1303245356 850533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait, I could just do it the Homestuck wa y. < 1303245357 709975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :way. < 1303245370 48744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ol pybavat zlfrys naq fraqvat gurz onpx va gvzr. V guvax. < 1303245405 379814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEED AN EXCLAMATION MARK < 1303245406 776006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN I HAVE ONE PLEASE < 1303245413 426503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER MIND < 1303245416 632155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS ACOWLEY FROM HASH HASKELL < 1303245442 417954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave you all the number row in -minecraft. < 1303245452 29352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MUCH DISCUSSION < 1303245457 516339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARET-NR DOES THAT TOO ANYWAY < 1303245459 776633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST I CAN'T TYPE CARET < 1303245477 248494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koweycode.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-darcs-users-care-about-consistency.html ;; BITCH NEEDS SCAPEGOAT < 1303245523 871821 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^nr < 1303245524 503339 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+ < 1303245527 673266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303245554 489462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope you implemented ^nr. < 1303245559 769215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a elliott-CAPS filter < 1303245562 35686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking it would solve all your problems. < 1303245568 227510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't. < 1303245569 967755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan did. < 1303245575 649392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1303245578 817609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'LL USE FULL-WIDTH IF YOU DO THAT < 1303245579 162731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is even better. < 1303245584 992894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BECAUSE FUCK YOU < 1303245591 484032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, full-width? < 1303245598 972490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fail. I already have a conversion filter in place for that :P < 1303245599 803163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Japanese Latin alphabet stuff. < 1303245606 156739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And do they cascade? < 1303245613 894175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you mean? < 1303245623 535331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll filter out the full-width but will it then filter out the capitals? < 1303245644 790614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that would be trivial to do by putting the caps filter after the full width one < 1303245668 882017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get around any filter trivially. < 1303245683 433674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends on if you know it < 1303245769 511973 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pre-apologies for a three-line spam that probably won't look correct for all/most/many/any. < 1303245770 557794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I had an awesome idea for an additional heuristic for it. Well, that will take a bit to implement (say, 10 minutes) < 1303245771 821970 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :▌▌▌ ▄ ▟▖ ▄ ▌ ▗ ▖▖▟▖ ▌▗ ▝ ▄ ▗▖ ▟▖▌ ▝ ▗▖ ▟▖▗ ▄ ▖▖▗ ▝ ▌ ▗▖▝ ▐ ▟▖▗ ▖▖▗▖▀▖ < 1303245771 999703 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▌▛▖▄▌▐ ▄▌▛▖▌▌▌▌▐ ▞▌▌▌▐ ▌▌▚▌ ▐ ▛▖▐ ▘▖ ▐ ▌▌ ▄▌▚▘▌▌▐ ▞▌ ▙ ▐ ▐ ▐ ▛▘▛ ▘▖▝ < 1303245771 999885 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :▘▘▘▘▀▘ ▘ ▀▘▀ ▝ ▝▘ ▘ ▝▘▝ ▝ ▘▘▄▘ ▘▘▘▝ ▀ ▘▝ ▀▘▝ ▝ ▝ ▝▘ ▘ ▝ ▘ ▘▝▘▘ ▀ ▝ < 1303245783 943423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: looks awesome in proportional font < 1303245798 281296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wasting his time to make a stupid point since forever. < 1303245801 65468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, True. But if you do that too much someone is going to kick you < 1303245820 875445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually this is easier. < 1303245826 953318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just ignore me. < 1303245830 1030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, first version in place < 1303245840 980567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it doesn't target just you, it targets everyone < 1303245853 76949 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr A-Z a-z ← 0th version. < 1303245857 356942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ _ _ _ _____ ___ ____ _____ _ _ _ _ _ _____ _____ _ __ __ < 1303245857 687937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | | | \ | | ___/ _ \| _ \_ _| | | | \ | | / \|_ _| ____| | \ \ / / < 1303245857 865511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | | | \| | |_ | | | | |_) || | | | | | \| | / _ \ | | | _| | | \ V / < 1303245857 865669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| |_| | |\ | _|| |_| | _ < | | | |_| | |\ |/ ___ \| | | |___| |___| | < 1303245857 865775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : \___/|_| \_|_| \___/|_| \_\|_| \___/|_| \_/_/ \_\_| |_____|_____|_| < 1303245858 264276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1303245859 685716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ___ _____ __ _____ _ _ _ _____ __ _____ ____ _ __ < 1303245861 864291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|_ _|_ _| \ \ / / _ \| \ | ( )_ _| \ \ / / _ \| _ \| |/ / < 1303245863 824261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | \ \ /\ / / | | | \| |/ | | \ \ /\ / / | | | |_) | ' / < 1303245865 741090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | \ V V /| |_| | |\ | | | \ V V /| |_| | _ <| . \ _ < 1303245867 725651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|___| |_| \_/\_/ \___/|_| \_| |_| \_/\_/ \___/|_| \_\_|\_(_) < 1303245869 379769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rate limit < 1303245872 182845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks doesn't it? < 1303245893 284052 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303245919 889153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bonus: now I cut down on the rate you can write in. Much less information possible in the same number of IRC lines now < 1303245950 488247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :) < 1303245971 965442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/imgs/city_83.png < 1303245980 892507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you actually just wanted to filter them out, you'd shut up and do it, but you're clearly just trying to irritate me since that's pretty much you only use ":)" after attempting to prove me wrong. < 1303245986 810909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a pretty realistic city plan < 1303245991 545921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(procedural of course) < 1303245997 842226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooo... you're kind of just giving me an incentive to work around it in the most annoying way possible < 1303246018 688930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you get riled up too easily < 1303246049 76415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not riled up, but you're clearly trying to rile me up, and it's an idiotic enough attempt to make me want to flip it around. < 1303246051 375138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, shut up, OK? < 1303246076 43797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh I'm not riled up :P < 1303246081 183784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet. < 1303246137 825849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can read your ASCII art despite the oroportional font < 1303246145 55100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, despite my proportional font < 1303246157 506851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very distorted, but not so much that the brain can't reconstruct what it must be saying < 1303246181 365659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO, VORPAL. < 1303246186 982077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi? < 1303246226 391238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VORPAL: WHY NOT CHECK YOUR /MSGS? < 1303246280 976000 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303246291 86193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh, what about it? < 1303246310 928496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, caps are much more annoying than caps in figlet anyway < 1303246355 678304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST A FRIENDLY HEADS-UP THAT I AM TALKING TO YOU IN /MSG, THAT'S ALL < 1303246437 836855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I bid you good night < 1303246825 66303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...the very nature of how node works. It's event-driven, which is the reason why it's so fast." < 1303246829 575805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: EVENT-DRIVEN = SPEED < 1303246839 912218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONTINUATIONS ARE SLOWER THAN EVENT-BASED CONTINUATION-PASSING STYLE BECAUSE THE LATTER IS MORE RAAAAAW < 1303246844 2906 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Best logic ever, right? :P < 1303246844 180569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE ASSEMBLY IS FASTER THAN C < 1303246860 949736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe Node would be bearable if someone put a CPS transformer on top of it. < 1303246903 920062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last nine lines of a typical Node application: < 1303246904 421172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : }); < 1303246904 598925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : }); < 1303246904 599116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : }); < 1303246904 599221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : }); < 1303246904 943754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : }); < 1303246909 32710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : }); < 1303246911 121314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : }); < 1303246913 34091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : }); < 1303246915 13122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :}); < 1303246953 883509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently Beta cards are actually the same shape and therefore more valuable < 1303246964 885415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Beta cards are the same shape as modern-day ones, yes < 1303246973 899919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if that makes them more valuable than Alpha, that's hilarious < 1303246982 576924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, no need for a holder :D < 1303246986 580767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alpha and Beta were limited-edition versions of Unlimited) < 1303246991 208793 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that calls for lispishly putting all the end-brace-paren-semicolons on the same line < 1303247005 543084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I've been doing that in OCaml recently < 1303247008 161334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can code lisp in any language!" < 1303247010 227882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yum < 1303247010 749544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303247013 198786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I've been writing major chunks of parsetrees by hand < 1303247017 104007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :}); -- totally uglier than ) < 1303247018 493054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any lang looks like Lisp if you do that < 1303247021 627814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you do that in C :D < 1303247032 846744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C it would be }}}}}} in a row < 1303247034 245498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not any language where you have to initialise the fields by hand < 1303247038 807399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those end up looking like assembly < 1303247050 347427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, dekludge.c looked like that until I ported it to OIL < 1303247094 771140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the asm version, that is < 1303247099 676940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it was comparisons not initialisations < 1303247105 888019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the generated version of it still does, in fact) < 1303247203 724964 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DBF6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224] < 1303247248 544771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1303247310 552777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If Chaos Orb turns over completely at least once during the flip, destroy all permanents it touches." < 1303247312 663554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean like < 1303247315 288792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually rip the cards apart? < 1303247321 954884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say yes < 1303247534 604865 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5712 < 1303247552 335288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303247555 684539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so destroy actually means destroy < 1303247563 444129 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suspect "destroy" means something else than physically destroying the card < 1303247571 254750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you tear up the card... < 1303247578 373779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now someone has to do it with those ones worth almost a thousand dollars < 1303247938 602912 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303247967 706153 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303248002 986909 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some year in RopeCon there were folks that sold Magic: the Gathering cards for the express purpose of physically destroying them. I think they awarded points for imaginative ways (setting on fire, eating, that sort of stuff) of doing it. < 1303248020 607249 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/C/c/, it seems. < 1303248179 707321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about melting and inhaling? < 1303248230 691851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a story of someone who ripped up their own Chaos Orb, so that it would cover a wider area < 1303248230 869664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly apocryphal, though < 1303248230 869868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so destroy means physically destroy? < 1303248230 869979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chaos Orb? < 1303248230 870086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please just say yes < 1303248230 870191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't < 1303248231 47439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: An MTG card that involves physically throwing it up in the air and destroying the cards it lands on. < 1303248231 47708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the MTG equivalent of an OHKO < 1303248231 225084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5712 involves destroying the card in that way. < 1303248231 225272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it was based on that story given that flavour text. < 1303248237 344138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so too < 1303248272 926979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's in an Un-set, you could expect it to have silly rules < 1303248687 261973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, software is the wors < 1303248687 439527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1303248731 51031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303248841 908705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINGS THAT ANNOY ME: people who are annoyed that Oscar Pistorius wasn't allowed into the Olympics. < 1303249282 364085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1303249289 408637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Homestuck worth watching at all. < 1303249522 584565 :Hyper-Core!~lol@h174.117.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303249640 68103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1303249653 586211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just played a game of Minesweeper that convinced me God exists. < 1303249673 435438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made, like, 4 1-in-2 random choices in succession, and they all worked. < 1303249840 476520 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, obviously the work of God < 1303249951 315921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God is, like, omnipotent. < 1303249977 450073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capriciously helping me in Minesweeper is an infinitesimal application of his powers. < 1303250084 450350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG there is an IT Crowd game. < 1303250220 299406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical puzal: how many spheres can you pack into a sphere < 1303250227 670036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is Homestuck worth watching at all. < 1303250232 645448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"watching" lol < 1303250237 834955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, abso-fucking-lutely. < 1303250238 752695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1303250245 666682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it becomes shit after the most-of-it that I read. < 1303250251 523927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, it is hilarious. < 1303250269 108548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And epic. < 1303250386 718554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oscar Pistorius should enter the Translympics < 1303250393 734030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are like the Paralympics, but for transhumanists < 1303250646 381744 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303250684 701929 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : The last nine lines of a typical Node application: // REMIND YOU OF ANY OTHER LANGUAGES??? < 1303250702 519240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: At least with Lisp there wouldn't be one per line :) < 1303250726 196229 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1303250727 419440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But yes, it was a deliberate riff on the "leaked Lisp application" joke. < 1303250921 952509 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303250975 28723 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303250995 607816 :Hyper-Core!~lol@h174.117.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PART :#esoteric < 1303251469 417943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"interesting - so I'd be comparing an old text file with a new one? what are the real world applications?" < 1303251934 646235 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seriously? Who asked that? < 1303251944 57304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/r/minecraft < 1303251970 273900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link. Now.. < 1303251974 873004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost it by now. < 1303251980 660328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck must defer to mocking idiocy. < 1303251995 592903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT HAVEN'T YOU LEARNT ALWAYS TO KEEP TABS ON THESE PEOPLE BY NOW < 1303251999 903927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Phantom_Hoover, HOMESTUCK < 1303252000 850202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFERS < 1303252001 70073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO < 1303252001 944848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING < 1303252005 544807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTHERWISE YOU'LL ACCIDENTALLY END UP TALKING TO THEM AGAIN < 1303252011 9212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :REMEMBER TKTECH???? < 1303252014 552065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASP < 1303252075 390821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What item was it on? < 1303252080 351519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it a selfpost? < 1303252099 70224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up. < 1303252157 555577 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably text her < 1303252172 570122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you shouldn't, history suggests she's almost certainly a complete moron. < 1303252240 607722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, this may surprise you, but there are some women in the world who are not abject idiots. < 1303252250 548219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may benefit from focusing your attentions on them. < 1303252293 542768 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-40.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303252439 815046 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if what she just texted me back with requires a response or not < 1303252454 733054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it stupid? < 1303252462 980703 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... hard to parse < 1303252471 427026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, I will gladly give a crack at a response. < 1303252479 99924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps because she is stupid and therefore cannot compose English sentences. < 1303252492 300887 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey u like me call u when i gt home" I have no idea if she's asking if she should call me, or telling me that she'll call < 1303252505 294845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god. < 1303252513 225655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not to converse with that female. < 1303252618 182945 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't parse it either :( < 1303252619 440578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would have expected that after 2_ years, anyone living in an English-dominated environment to the extent of at least creating cogent and clear sentences. Whilst some leeway is to be given due to the vicissitudes of text messaging, there is no excuse for what you have done. Please cease all communications with me forthwith." < 1303252634 264201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fill in the _ with the appropriate digit.) < 1303252645 304666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, *environment would have learned it < 1303252662 573100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE VERY LIMITED LOOKBACK OK SENTENCES DRIFT WHILE I COMPOSE THEM < 1303252677 807282 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :concise response: "what" < 1303252693 435011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :better: "English, motherfucker. DO YOU SPEAK IT?" < 1303252714 891409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Spoiler: She's actually 9 years old. < 1303252767 705911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, the immediate followup would be "In case you failed to understand the last message: English, motherfucker. DO YOU SPEAK IT?" < 1303252788 869364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say what again, motherfucker, I dare youX < 1303252811 472266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ummmmm ok" < 1303252818 892168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OK no country I ever heard of. They speak English in OK?" < 1303253575 236353 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CORRECT RESPONSE: Yes, they speak English in Oklahoma < 1303253587 870292 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303253725 132258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]OK ain't < 1303253730 190797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :([asterisk]OK ain't no) < 1303253796 856834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I am sorry you are not making this very fun for us. < 1303253838 256404 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303253879 12775 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303253962 394328 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303253985 470380 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1303254142 358428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, mocking this idiot. < 1303254155 36793 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't text her back < 1303254172 415889 :cheater-!~cheater@g224201192.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303254296 266865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, but did you not see my response. < 1303254308 213507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A CHISELLED MASTERWORK of prose. < 1303254321 4817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparable with SCOTT AT HIS BEST < 1303254324 128900 :cheater00!~cheater@g224203245.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303254367 84873 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my response was pretty good too < 1303254367 781996 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1303254510 551714 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303254512 121801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for it was like something very small but very good which I can't think of a simile for because I exhausted all my literary skills on that response. < 1303254938 278001 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the heck do those researcers pull those "A or B therefore A" fallacies? < 1303255049 736306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What researchers. < 1303255182 95427 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, bad researchers all over the place. < 1303255248 581983 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A or B, not B, therefore A should work < 1303255277 339478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, that's correct. < 1303255305 623649 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would work. Except that requires the "not B" bit. < 1303255326 422080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, can you actually give examples of them doing that, though? < 1303255348 784291 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303255391 207644 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/28/38/77/XHTML/index.xhtml ... For example this. < 1303255486 200342 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the obvious suggested experiment: Feed rats some salted food and see what that does to proneness to colon cancer. < 1303255521 752815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have they actually assumed that A \/ B → A, or have you seen a second explanation B that they haven't? < 1303255777 593276 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is more blatant stuff like this (generally being "let's change N things. Ah, the diffrences are because of this (because we think it/other factors is/are good/bad)."). < 1303255909 518083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, that's kind of the principle behind a controlled study. < 1303255949 892863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Isn't the principle behind those changing _one_ thing? < 1303255978 172258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was assuming Ilari took "this" to mean "N things". < 1303256312 822278 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1303256419 112192 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303256465 173390 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303256820 371726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qZycn7o7Po < 1303256828 177197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uranium-based hard drives. < 1303256834 767418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best idea? < 1303256839 211697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303256858 202956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST PART: all the data on your disk is effectively in a Schrodinger's cat scenario. < 1303256875 806675 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303256934 59056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1303256969 629443 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old iPods used magnetic media? < 1303256971 991022 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WTFs < 1303257008 955692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, flash memory was pathetic back then, wasn't it? < 1303257026 527025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I remember a when a 128MB flash drive had large capacity.) < 1303257033 156786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still have it, somewhere.) < 1303257107 429492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a magnetic iPod. < 1303257109 546873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is soooooo heavy. < 1303257542 517283 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU JOIN :#esoteric