00:00:46 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:01:12 -!- cheater00 has joined. 00:04:12 -!- cheater- has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:06:58 # In the United States, CJD deaths among persons younger than 30 years of age are extremely rare (fewer than five deaths per billion per year[citation needed]). 00:07:09 That is such a stupid way of phrasing it. 00:07:38 It's got to be something along the lines of 3 people under 30 died of it ever. 00:08:53 In 1997 a number of Kentuckians contracted the disease. It was discovered that all the victims had consumed squirrel brains. 00:09:00 *A number*. 00:09:12 Not just one or two nutcases. 00:09:16 *A number*. 00:10:53 -!- augur has changed nick to augur[afk]. 00:10:59 Dammit, it's paywalled. 00:11:04 ...except in Norway. 00:11:16 Dammit, oerjan, where are you when I need you. 00:12:31 @tell oerjan At the first available opportunity, go to the Norwegian link in http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0140673605633338 and transfer it to my possession... somehow. 00:12:31 Consider it noted. 00:14:19 Phantom_Hoover: Two is a number. 00:14:35 Phantom_Hoover: For that matter, so is one. And zero. 00:14:42 Gregor, yes, but you don't say "a number" in that case. 00:15:18 A number of people in this channel fail to realize the sheer degree of pedantry that is possible online. 00:17:46 Yes, it's almost as if people don't get that the aim of language is communication within the hazy and highly contextual environment of human thought, rather than a formal system. 00:18:15 One might even say that a number of people don't get that. 00:19:55 * Sgeo_ forcefeeds Phantom_Hoover a squirrel brain 00:20:09 I thought you were from New York. 00:20:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:21:31 -!- elliott has joined. 00:30:56 ' "Hey u like me call u when i gt home" I have no idea if she's asking if she should call me, or telling me that she'll call' <<< asking 00:31:06 Oops 00:31:18 -!- augur[afk] has changed nick to augur. 00:31:26 Sgeo_: congratulations, you avoided being called by an absolute moron 00:31:45 what i can't parse is hoover's response 00:32:55 oh he corrects it just after 00:35:43 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 00:38:26 "Thunderstorm: 00:38:26 - Day gets dark enough to spawn monsters 00:38:26 - A pig hit by lightning will turn into a zombie pigman" 00:38:29 most awesome 00:38:32 oosp wrong channel 00:41:49 oklopol: SO RUDE 00:50:40 Trackpads now have kinetic scrolling. If you flick to perform a scroll, then press a keyboard key while kinetic scroll events are generated, unexpected application behavior may result. (728643) 00:50:41 finally 00:51:16 -!- Gregor has changed nick to Yahweasel. 00:51:54 o 00:52:14 oklopol: -minecraft dammit :| 00:52:17 you BELONG IN THERE 00:52:56 asking makes more sense because by adding "2" makes it a perfectly valid english sentence asking if you'd like her to call, but i see no way to make it a sentence *telling* you she'll call 00:52:59 As it turns out, people are not ADEQUATELY OFFENDED by this nick. 00:53:22 except "Hey. You like me. Call you when i get home!" 00:53:31 but that would be... interesting 00:53:51 Yahweasel: Try /nick Muyahmmed 00:54:58 elliott: ... but the "yah" isn't the offensive part :P 00:55:14 Yahweasel: /nick Muyahmmedweasel 00:55:22 PUN FAIL 00:56:03 i have no idea what that nick refers to 00:56:09 i'm still kinda offended 00:56:10 Hey u like me call u when i gt home sounds like it's missing a few woulds and tos 00:56:34 TeruFSX: as i said, you need to add "2" 00:56:44 punctuation, letters, words, sensibility 00:56:44 Hey u like me 2 call u when i gt home 00:56:48 TeruFSX: where did you appear from 00:56:59 monqy: a brain, ... 00:57:38 i can imagine omitting it would lead to a few chinese bridge builders not to get it, as demonstrated earlier by elliott and ph 00:57:49 *getting 00:58:13 elliot: i came here yesterday from the wiki 00:58:21 and have idled since 00:58:25 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:58:33 are you norwegian 00:58:48 oklopol: Define "Norwegian". 00:59:11 TeruFSX: Let me guess, we can blame our new front page again? :P 00:59:13 pikhq: it means "use the nick TeruFSX and have lived in norway for a long time" 00:59:32 oklopol: Ah. 00:59:39 I am not norwegian. 00:59:48 elliott: i would have come here anyway 00:59:55 though the front page helped 00:59:55 Suuuure :P 00:59:57 If you could FIND it :P 01:00:07 i stumbled across it once before 01:00:16 I'll let you know when I want to cash in my debt. 01:00:27 Your debt, rather. 01:00:54 did i mention i just slept for 16 hours 01:05:12 * pikhq wonders if other countries do anything similar to the whole Air Force/Marine/Executive One rigamarole... 01:06:32 For those unaware of what the hell I'm talking about: a plane in the US Air Force with the President aboard is Air Force One. 01:08:05 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:08:08 Likewise for the Marines, Navy, and (hypothetically) Army, Coast Guard, Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, or National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps. 01:08:24 Also, a commercial plane with the President aboard is Executive One. 01:08:56 -!- elliott has joined. 01:11:33 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:13:48 oklopol: why'd you think I was norwegian 01:15:21 TeruFSX: the way you smell, mostly 01:16:07 hm. that being 01:16:21 i don't know how norwegians smell 01:16:36 erm, how does and apple smell? 01:16:38 *an 01:16:50 you answer that, and i'll start working on norwegians 01:18:35 I'd assume most apples and Norweigans smell about the same. 01:19:14 obviously i mean what apples smell like once you have squeezed the juice out of them 01:19:27 things tend not to smell unless you destroy them 01:19:50 i think i just accidentally told everyone i'm a serial killer 01:19:56 not much more than sugar, maybe a few sour notes i guess 01:20:13 well if you know norwegians smell like apples on the inside, i'd be somewhat worried 01:20:21 i'm hopefully far away though 01:20:29 where are you? 01:21:00 the great land of america 01:21:12 always populated by protestant european stock 01:21:25 crazy europeans 01:21:27 a great country, built on Christian principles and no government 01:23:00 note to self, americans think their government is "no government" 01:23:17 http://www.qotile.net/blog/wp/?p=600 pretttyyyyy 01:23:31 ph will like that 01:24:29 hehewaef 01:24:43 oklopol: wat 01:24:59 happy people say weird things 01:25:10 that's truaejroaejoigoifjhggjofodgbmyi0 01:25:38 you can't be happy, only stupid people can be happy 01:25:47 * oklopol has been watching house for the last week 01:25:52 i'm stupid 01:25:54 wait 01:25:56 Conductor program is going SO FREAKING WELL 8-D 01:25:57 oklopol just said i'm not stupid 01:25:58 omg 01:25:59 best day of my life 01:26:16 Yahweasel: So how do you actually mix two MIDI tracks together? Just use Rosegarden or something? That's so manual... 01:26:17 :SD 01:26:36 elliott: ./mergefiles a.mid b.mid out.mid 01:26:51 Yahweasel: You said your music production system lacked this :P 01:27:01 elliott: No, I said that was a small clerical task. 01:27:05 Yahweasel: Right :P 01:27:05 It is not the important part of my suite. 01:27:14 It's still part of it. 01:27:18 ./ makes baby jesus sad, you need to give them all six-letter names and make them global. 01:27:26 OK, mergemid would also be acceptable :P 01:28:17 -!- pizearke has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 01:28:51 Yeah, in retrospect I should have named all those "files" things as "mid", but I was in MIDI-mode at the time so I was thinking "what other kinds of files ARE there?" 01:29:39 -!- augur has joined. 01:30:11 Lawl :P 01:30:19 Yahweasel: I thought you were the kind of pedantic asshole who always calls them smf. 01:30:45 I can't, because I'm integrating with PortMidi and PortSMF is terrible :P 01:31:11 I thought PortMidi sucked donkey dick. 01:31:15 Or was that just PortSMF? 01:31:26 "portsmf (short for Portable Standard Midi File Library), a subproject of portmedia, is a library for reading, writing, and manipulating standard midi files. One drawback of any standard midi file library is that most of the work is likely to be translating midi to whatever local data structure you are using to represent midi or general music data. portsmf provides one such data structure. Originally, this library was called Allegro, so at least 01:31:26 for now, you'll see a lot of "allegro" and "alg" in the sources." 01:31:28 my hair is very curly 01:31:31 CALLING LIBRARIES ALLEGRO: GOOD IDEA 01:32:00 elliott: Just PortSMF. PortMidi is ... bad, but sufferable :P 01:32:09 Yahweasel: I would tell you to support MT-[thirtytwo] awesomely, but it's just a MIDI+other stuff -> analogue audio thing :( 01:32:17 Although IIRC it has a MIDI Out that does... something... 01:32:26 (Other stuff because you can actually reprogram the instruments totally.) 01:32:31 (And put messages on the screen :P) 01:35:46 So the problem with the tornado alarm is that when it goes off, I have no idea whether it's its usual testing schedule, or what I'm supposed to do if it's not. 01:37:32 Oh good, wunderground says there's a tornado warning >_> 01:38:20 -!- lament has joined. 01:38:27 oh you third world countries and your crazy stone agey problems 01:38:54 Ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, this is a legitimate tornado warning >_> 01:40:00 Yahweasel: lol at living in us 01:40:00 Wait, I know what I'm supposed to do! 01:40:01 $ hg push 01:40:05 ok sorry that was insensitive of me. OH GOD TORNADO WARNING?!? THAT'S *SERIOUS* YOU MIGHT *DIE* :OO 01:40:09 Yahweasel: GO INTO THE BASEMENT 01:40:11 IT'LL BE SAFE 01:40:12 oh wait 01:40:15 YOU'RE THERE ALREADY 01:40:17 AND IT'S YOUR PARENT'S HOUSE 01:40:19 HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA 01:40:19 :DD 01:40:21 NERD 01:40:22 good one 01:40:28 your parents will die though 01:40:31 can't have them in the basement 01:40:33 they'd see your goat porn 01:40:36 xD 01:40:44 elliott: ... yeah, I'm a PhD student living thousands of miles away from my parents, and you? 01:40:44 fap to their screams 01:40:58 Yahweasel: You didn't count on the person you stole your identity from ... 01:41:00 ... being ME 01:41:05 Yahweasel: is it the first tornado warning ever? 01:41:08 I'm a Ph.D. student named Gregor Richards living thousands of miles away from my parents. 01:41:08 i mean 01:41:09 for you 01:41:17 Yahweasel: You're Gregor Richards and you live in your parent's basement. 01:41:20 [asterisk] parents' 01:41:31 This "Elliott Hird" schtick was just to CATCH YOU OFF GUARD. 01:41:37 oklopol: The first non-system-test one, yeah. 01:41:51 also that tornado warning was me i'm just trolling you in general 01:41:55 Yahweasel: oh that's actually pretty cool then 01:41:57 i own your life 01:42:44 Yahweasel: do they tell you any specifics? 01:43:11 oklopol: http://www.wunderground.com/US/IN/029.html#TOR 01:44:26 oklopol: Tornado warnings aren't really a problem because of any economic issues in the US. 01:44:46 oklopol: It's just that the US happens to get almost all the tornadoes. 01:45:13 it's hogging the tornadoes 01:45:29 We get about 1,200 a year. 01:46:52 pikhq: oh it's not because you're a third world country? what about the snow, that's still about finland angering god right? 01:47:14 DOCTOR WHO CAST DYING OFF ONE BY ONE http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13137674 01:47:20 we do have a lot of that sodomy going around you know 01:47:34 -!- news-ham has joined. 01:47:34 let's see what the News Ham has to say about it 01:47:36 news-ham 01:47:38 Woman dies in Oz diving accident: A woman from Donegal has died in a diving accident off the coast of Queensland in Australia. http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/uk-northern-ireland-13137774 01:47:48 news-ham: but no what about doctor who 01:47:50 VIDEO: Royal wedding police helicopter tour: The Metropolitan Police are already identifying security issues along the route and key sites of the royal wedding from the skies. http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/uk-13129651 01:47:52 oklopol: No, God doesn't care about Finland. Be glad. 01:47:58 it's almost as if you don't look at my messages, news-ham 01:48:00 VIDEO: Misrata's injured recover in Benghazi: Nato has said that there is only so much air forces can do to protect civilians in the besieged city of Misrata in Libya. http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/world-africa-13134893 01:48:08 pikhq: D 01:48:10 oklopol: the punishment for living in finland is living in finland 01:48:16 it is swift and cruel 01:48:19 oklopol: If you want to see somewhere that God is angry at, you need only look at Texas. 01:48:24 and doesn't end until you leave finland 01:48:31 YOUR FLESH MELTETH 01:49:49 Highs of 20C in January. 01:50:25 we had 16.7 or something last week 01:50:37 38C in July in some parts. 01:50:49 Those are averages, BTW. 01:51:23 YOUR FLESH MELTETH 01:51:34 pikhq: lol 01:51:37 pikhq: try australia 01:51:46 YOUR FLESH DISINTEGRETH 01:51:50 *And* it's humid as fuck. 01:51:58 elliott: Yes, but Australia is a prison colony. 01:52:02 true 01:52:05 so is Texas 01:52:09 Texas was settled willingly. 01:52:13 lol 01:52:16 who would go to Texas willingly 01:52:18 you are funny 01:52:20 Texans. 01:52:28 lies 01:52:30 Remember that it's a major source of derp. 01:52:31 they're trying to get out 01:52:48 Not really. 01:53:08 They've actually got a large number of people moving in. 01:53:20 Adding to the derp. 01:54:31 prisoners 01:55:31 Actually, Texas prefers to execute. 01:56:00 what kind of education do you need to be an execu...tive? 01:56:31 an execullent one 01:56:48 oklopol: Minimal. 01:59:24 -!- pikhq has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 01:59:42 there should totally be an executioner university 01:59:51 execuniversity 02:00:13 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091112123357AAjJmFN 02:00:20 i'm satisfied. 02:04:44 Maybe I sould text her again 02:06:39 no. 02:06:41 never talk to her again. 02:07:07 tell her "sry i wuntd to ansr but i forgut :>" 02:09:09 my mom once sent her friend the text "have 2 remember 2 take my penis with me" where 2's indicate i'm translating abbreviated text. penis was short for penicillin. 02:10:07 lol 02:10:10 Wouldn't penic make more sense/ 02:10:15 Sgeo_: "translating" 02:10:20 Sgeo is as retarded as every girl he knows ever. 02:10:41 she told me this when i told her if sending text messages is so hard you have to drop the ending of every word, maybe you could call instead 02:10:42 Oh. In that case, what's so funny about what oklopol wrote? 02:10:47 because the word for penis 02:10:52 is short for the word for penicillin 02:10:53 in finnish 02:11:05 i write it penisiliini in finnish 02:11:10 she told me this when i told her if sending text messages is so hard you have to drop the ending of every word, maybe you could call instead 02:11:12 that seems so 02:11:12 didn't know it had a c, maybe my mom doesn't either 02:11:13 snobbish for you 02:11:14 :| 02:11:34 elliott: well i doubt i phrased it like that 02:11:43 are you oklopol to your parents as well 02:11:46 or just normal 02:11:53 like do you tell them about your dog food eating 02:11:55 maybe more like "it's funny how you abbreviate words more than teenagers do" 02:11:55 `quote 02:11:56 `quote 02:11:56 `quote 02:11:56 `quote 02:11:56 `quote 02:11:58 `quote 02:11:59 285) who's walter bright and why is he so bright locks: he's to D what I'm to ooc locks: guilty 02:11:59 258) Is there a name for something where I'm more attracted to someone if I know they've had a rough past? Sgeo, "Little Shop of Horrors" 02:12:00 `quote 02:12:01 205) comex: what? *vorpal comex: hi, tab-complete completed c to comex instead of Vorpal, dunno why 02:12:01 359) i'm really sleep 02:12:02 `quote 02:12:02 165) Oh I get it you guys just use this space to do nothing ? 02:12:03 335) what does coffee do to biological neural networks what tiger blood does for charlie sheen 02:12:04 `quote 02:12:05 166) Why shouldn't I just do everything in non-Microsoft-specific C#? it's like trying to write non-IE-specific JavaScript with only Microsoft documentation and only IE to test on 02:12:05 119) I want a patent on common sense It wouldn't get me much though >_> 02:12:06 `quote 02:12:06 240) zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Avogadro's number. It's broken? 02:12:07 337) elliott, incidentally, I started my explorations again after getting bored of the Himalayas. 02:12:43 our qdb is finally only mostly shitty 02:12:43 elliott: i'm rather open with my parents 02:12:53 oklopol: so basically you have lots of incest? 02:12:59 that's what that means don't you know 02:13:00 scientific fact 02:13:32 There is an attractive, and apparently smart, girl at school 02:13:34 oklopol doesn't like facts :( 02:13:38 Sgeo_: "apparently smart" lol 02:13:42 "bro, I heard she's really smart" 02:13:43 I think she either likes me, is neutral towards me, or dislikes me 02:13:45 elliott: whoooops 02:13:47 ... 02:13:48 no wait what? 02:13:50 Sgeo_: that was a joke right 02:14:01 `addquote I think she either likes me, is neutral towards me, or dislikes me 02:14:03 371) I think she either likes me, is neutral towards me, or dislikes me 02:14:48 She did approach where I was sitting once, asked if she could sat there. I think at some point though, I said something that upset her. Not sure. 02:14:50 "335) what does coffee do to biological neural networks what tiger blood does for charlie sheen" who the fuck is charlie sheen 02:15:02 this bipolar guy 02:15:07 sorry, bi-winning. 02:15:15 he's a bitchin' rockstar from mars apparently 02:15:24 a quite quotable and quite insane celebrity 02:15:30 hurf 02:15:43 "apparently 02:15:43 http://mediumlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/cats-quote-charlie-sheen-the-2020-interview/ 02:15:45 oops 02:15:48 http://mediumlarge.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/cats-quote-charlie-sheen/ 02:15:48 http://mediumlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/cats-quote-charlie-sheen-the-2020-interview/ 02:15:52 TeruFSX: primarily quotable by cats 02:16:28 -!- Zuu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:16:37 I was hoping for Cats from Zero Wing. 02:17:06 X-D 02:17:09 That would be even better. 02:21:40 those cats don't help me as much as i'd hoped 02:24:49 oklopol: he's this actor on this terrible sitcom. then he spent a weekend doing insane amounts of cocaine and hookers. 02:24:57 forcing him to go to hospital 02:25:14 oklopol: then he turned completely manic bipolar and insane, and his show got cancelled because he's insane 02:25:17 and he raged about it insanely 02:25:22 and now he's doing a tour where people go to see him be insane 02:25:22 the end 02:28:30 -!- pikhq has joined. 02:28:42 *sigh* 02:28:46 hi 02:28:52 sgeo is ogling another tarded girl 02:28:53 how are you 02:28:56 Why must even menial employment be difficult? 02:29:44 I literally can't even get a job flipping burgers. 02:29:51 SCREW YOU, BUSH. 02:29:54 FREELANCE PROGRAMMING 02:29:55 (NOTE: JOKE) 02:30:01 NO NO WAIT 02:30:04 FREELANCE WEB DEVELOPMENT 02:30:06 THE BEST JOB 02:30:29 I'm afraid I desire real currency, not peanuts. 02:30:49 peanuts are very tasty 02:30:53 well not really 02:31:06 pikhq: come work at the Esoteric Research Institute 02:31:09 Yes, but they do not make a good item for trade or barter. 02:31:25 the idea is, we pay you to dick around and code awesome impractical shit all day 02:31:34 don't ask what our business model is. that's not _your_ problem. 02:32:47 Indeed, so long as the checks cash I needn't care much about the sanity of those responsible for there being money to fund me. :P 02:33:01 However, I suspect that that may be an issue. 02:33:43 pikhq: we assure you that it is _impossible_ to prove that ERI is funded by illegal activities. so you have nothing to worry about! 02:34:01 Define "illegal". 02:34:22 Define "two hundred thousand dollars a year", peasant. 02:34:26 I, quite honestly, don't have the capacity to give a fuck about most illegal but moral activities. 02:34:41 Which dollar? 02:34:46 Hey, I never said it wasn't illegal, I just said it was impossible to prove we were funded illegally. 02:34:54 pikhq: Canadian. 02:35:03 Acceptable. 02:35:20 Though I would have preferred silver dollars. :P 02:35:21 We could pay you in Bitcoins if you preferred. Or maple syrup. 02:38:37 pikhq: DO YOU WANT TO BE PAID IN MAPLE SYRUP 02:38:46 It will NEVER have inflation, depreciation, ... 02:38:49 It is always the best. 02:40:40 Uhh, fairly certain maple syrup spoils :P 02:40:55 Yahweasel: I wouldn't be so sure. 02:41:00 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:41:11 I'm not /positive/, but then, it's not honey. 02:41:38 -!- elliott has joined. 02:41:39 Pretty sure it has enough sugar to kill bacteria by osmosis. 02:41:59 Yahweasel: Spoiled maple syrup: still better than any other liquid? 02:42:01 Answer: Yes. 02:42:37 news-ham has again survived an X restart. 02:42:39 Somehow. 02:42:39 Fighter O'Sullivan keen for more: Ronnie O’Sullivan says he can win more world titles after his first-round victory over Dominic Dale but will quit if he stops enjoying snooker again. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/sport1/hi/snooker/13137748.stm 02:42:40 Oh, there is a worry with it. 02:42:45 Maple syrup can ferment. 02:42:48 pikhq: Delicious. 02:43:10 I APPROVE OF MAPLE LIQUOR 02:44:56 Yahweasel: You have to ferment maple syrup now. 02:45:00 It would be... the best. 02:46:17 It apparently can be made into a maple mead. 02:46:59 http://davespicks.com/writing/mme/recipes/honeymaple.html With honey :P 02:47:24 pikhq: I wonder if fermented maple syrup itself would taste nice... 02:47:48 Worth experimenting. 02:48:20 It would taste very much like rum I assume. 02:48:26 Yahweasel: Not really. 02:48:43 Yahweasel: First, rum is made from molasses or sugar cane juice. 02:48:58 Yahweasel: Second, it's distilled. Distillation produces rather different flavors. 02:49:28 This hypothetical maple drink would be a straight fermented beverage. 02:49:45 Ah 02:49:56 Maple syrup is pretty damn thick, you know :P 02:49:59 The former point is irrelevant though. 02:50:08 You might have to mix it into something at the end to get it drinkable. 02:50:18 elliott: So's honey. 02:50:25 And? 02:50:35 Honey's thicker, obviously :P 02:50:51 You'd probably do what you usually do with mead: water the honey down before fermenting. 02:50:58 NO 02:51:02 You ferment pure maple syrup. 02:51:16 WATER CAN COME LATER 02:51:16 Yahweasel: Different flavors in the unfermented product will produce different flavors in the fermented product. 02:51:33 Yahweasel: In case you didn't notice, molasses and maple syrup have very distinct flavors. 02:52:06 Yahweasel: You must do it X_X 02:52:17 I don't even drink >_< 02:52:57 Yahweasel: Dude, EVERYONE drinks for Fermented Maple Syrup. 02:52:57 If I had sufficient space and some spare cash, I'd try. 02:53:07 And you're the resident Beverage Maker. 02:53:09 Beverage... SCIENTIST. 02:53:09 I'm the resident SODA MAKER> 02:53:09 Though, it would be the first thing brewed by me. 02:53:10 s/>/./ 02:53:10 Yahweasel: BUT NOW THE RESIDENT BEVERAGE MAKER 02:53:10 Yahweasel: Why, may I ask, do you not drink? 02:53:10 I don't even like most beverages that other people like :P 02:53:13 pikhq: I am going to give you money and you are going to use that money to make fermented maple syrup. 02:53:24 How much cash do you require to make this possible. You must use high-quality Canadian maple syrup. 02:53:28 pikhq: I don't like it. Oh you just haven't {had GOOD X,developed a taste for X,blah blah blah some other bullshit X}. 02:53:51 Yahweasel: omg we agree :D 02:53:59 Alcoholic drinks don't taste good :P 02:54:03 APART FROM FERMENTED MAPLE SYRUP 02:54:06 WHICH CANNOT POSSIBLY TASTE BAD 02:54:16 Yahweasel: I shan't say "you haven't developed a taste for X", as I liked it right away... 02:54:25 pikhq: HOW MUCH MONEY 02:54:32 Yahweasel: But I must say, there's a decent chance you've had shit. 02:54:48 Yahweasel: There's also a decent chance that anosmia sucks. 02:54:59 elliott: I KNOW NOT 02:55:08 pikhq: Find out how much you'd need to make it happen. 02:55:11 I am so, so serious. 02:55:27 pikhq: There's also a decent chance that I've had expensive dinners in Genoa, Prague and London :P 02:55:37 Yahweasel: Ah, right. 02:55:42 Yahweasel: So, anosmia sucks. 02:55:47 And expensive dinners in the former two include expensive wine (whether you want them to or not) 02:55:53 ANd wine tastes EXACTLY like chilled coffee. 02:56:03 chilled coffee tastes awesome 02:56:07 ... Not even vaguely close to me. 02:56:20 pikhq: He's hyposmic :P 02:56:24 Though iced coffee is pretty awesome with some cream & sugar. 02:56:34 elliott: Point is, his nose spites good taste. 02:56:36 I'm pretty sure wine, sans the aroma, is similar to coffee. 02:56:39 Chilled, "sweetened" coffee, although as far as I can tell sweetening coffee just makes it sour (so more like wine) 02:56:41 I can really see that. 02:57:00 Yahweasel: What does coke taste like to you, acid water? :P 02:57:08 Hmm. Actually, sans aroma, the major taste in both would be "bitter"... 02:57:21 pikhq: WHY YES. 02:57:23 pikhq: YES IT IS. 02:57:28 elliott: I can actually taste the sweetness in coke :P 02:57:31 i don't really smell much 02:57:33 elliott: And juice, for that matter. 02:57:40 Yahweasel: lawl 02:57:42 but i love all tastes 02:57:47 Yahweasel: What does Dr Pepper taste like? 02:57:59 i'm never hungry because i love eating too much to want to wait 02:58:00 elliott: ... fruity? 02:58:04 Yahweasel: BORING 02:58:10 elliott: ...??? 02:58:15 ... Dr Pepper, fruity? 02:58:17 What is it supposed to taste like? :P 02:58:20 I'm trying to get INTERESTING RESULTS. 02:58:24 Dr Pepper ... IS fruity :P 02:58:28 Fruity with... you know, other shit. 02:58:29 But yeah. 02:58:35 Yahweasel: Vanilla essence? 02:58:40 elliott: Doesn't really taste "fruity" to me. 02:58:41 pikhq: Not like berry-y, but like some of the warmer fruits. 02:58:49 I'm not sure how to describe it, really. 02:59:04 elliott: ... is "vanilla essence" something one drinks? :P 02:59:11 pikhq: Dr Pepper tastes like Dr Pepper, but it is unquestionably something _like_ Cherry Coke. 02:59:17 FAR superior, but it _does_ have a shitload of fruits. 02:59:18 Yahweasel: YES 02:59:20 It should be :P 02:59:25 OK Tia, it's time to stop taking up ľ of the bed >_< 02:59:25 elliott: Except with less cherry. 02:59:27 Yahweasel: Do you... not know what "vanilla essence" is? 02:59:28 elliott: Okay, fair enough. 02:59:32 OK Tia, it's time to stop taking up Âľ of the bed >_< 02:59:35 "You fatso." 02:59:40 "Why did I ever marry you." 02:59:43 She is a fat cat :P 02:59:50 "Why did I ever marry a cat." 02:59:54 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:59:56 -!- augur_ has joined. 03:00:06 elliott: And yet, adding cherry to it makes it amazing. 03:00:27 elliott: Are you referring to vanilla extract or something? 03:00:42 Yahweasel: It's really strong vanilla in alcohol in really tiny bottles. 03:00:44 So: Almost certainly. 03:00:53 Yahweasel: I am _not_ referring to the shit that you get in huge bottles that's diluted to hell. 03:00:58 Yeah, that's vanilla extract. 03:01:18 Yahweasel: http://www.spicesofindia.co.uk/acatalog/Pride-Vanilla-Essence-Big.gif 03:01:19 Note tiny bottle. 03:01:23 You can actually get vanilla extract in huge bottles. I know not the cost. 03:01:41 Yahweasel: i'm sure fat cats are used to getting as great a percentage of a bed as they like 03:01:46 pikhq: Fermented (maple syrup + bit of vanilla extract): oh god so fuckinszg deliciosudfghjk 03:02:11 Right, so vanilla extract, got it :P 03:02:18 "Imitation vanilla extract is usually made by soaking alcohol into wood, which contains vanillin." 03:02:21 This makes me sad. 03:02:49 pikhq: ... why? 03:02:50 does it give you wood 03:02:51 X-D 03:02:59 WOOD: Tastes like vanilla 03:03:00 Yahweasel: Cheap. 03:03:08 Yahweasel lives in a world of richness :P 03:03:42 Yahweasel: (I am trolling you) 03:03:43 Imitation vanilla extract really isn't that bad, depending on the usage. 03:04:12 IT'S IMPURE 03:04:23 Even the alcohol base of vanilla essence is unacceptable. 03:04:26 It must be PURE LIQUID VANILLA 03:04:35 god my back hurts 03:04:43 It's insufficiently vanilla-y. 03:04:43 oklopol: stop having so much sex 03:05:02 -!- azaq231 has joined. 03:05:09 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:05:20 ... Vanilla extract could be considered an alcoholic beverage. 03:05:30 And yet, it's purchasable by those under 21 in the US. 03:05:35 i should really start taking 5 minute walking breaks between 8 hour sleep segments after having spent the last night doing a jigsaw puzzle on the floor 03:06:27 Yup, minimum 70 proof... 03:07:04 pikhq: omg let's get shitfaced on vanilla extract 03:07:15 oklopol: dude, i wanna do jigsaws 03:07:17 can i come and help 03:07:31 Wouldn't even take *that* much. A few shots, I suppose? 03:07:45 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:07:59 elliott: not my jigsaw 03:08:00 most delicious way to get drunk ever 03:08:06 oklopol: i can buy some 03:08:10 Anyways, if I *really* wanted to get shitfaced, I'd just get a bottle of vodka... 03:08:18 pikhq: can you find out how much it would cost you to ferment maple syrup, thanks 03:08:47 elliott: i will do a jigsaw puzzle with you if you like, sure 03:08:47 I think I'm going to charge $40,000. 03:09:00 pikhq: stop joking the fuck around, i want to make this happen 03:09:03 pikhq: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY 03:09:09 oklopol: yay 03:10:04 elliott: No, but seriously, what I need is an indeterminate amount of money to get practice at homebrewing. 03:10:11 In addition to equipment and *space*. 03:10:17 pikhq: BLEH 03:10:26 pikhq: Basically, what you need is a job :P 03:10:30 OH THE IRONY 03:10:43 pikhq: And surely you can just BREW IN A CORNER 03:10:50 Though, given a decent income, I'd be liable to try my hand at homebrewing *anyways*... 03:11:06 I need to get around to making Swig Ingest Drink. 03:11:44 Then whoever makes fermented maple syrup and vanilla gets to create Swig Ingest Drunk: Just Like the Real Thing, Only More Alcoholic. 03:13:24 Certainly, homebrewed beverages can be positively delicious. 03:13:40 * pikhq <3's his uncle's wine 03:13:53 pikhq also less-than-threes his uncle. 03:13:54 I AM IMPLYING NOTHING 03:13:58 ALL I AM ASKING HERE IS: THE QUESTIONS 03:14:10 "No Smell No Taste 03:14:10 a desperate attempt for recovery from loss of smell" 03:14:13 Yahweasel: OH NOES 03:14:22 elliott: I'm pretty sure you can't imply that which you explicitly state. :) 03:14:30 pikhq: O RLY? Glenn Beck does it all the time. 03:14:55 So cheese is milk that's off... 03:15:01 Let's say maple syrup spoils. 03:15:05 Let it spoil, then ferment it. 03:15:07 ??????? 03:15:07 Milk is milk that's off. 03:15:12 THIS IS JUST A SOURCE OF AMAZINGNESS 03:15:17 Yahweasel: Lemme guess, milk tastes like piss to you? :P 03:15:33 It's actually mostly a texture thing with milk. 03:15:35 Sticky beverage = no. 03:15:38 wat 03:15:40 Milk is sticky? 03:15:53 Bro, we have both been drinking milk, but the milk I have been drinking is not the milk that you have been drinking. 03:15:59 It leaves that sticky feeling in the roof of your mouth. 03:16:00 Yahweasel: I'm frightened of your milk. 03:16:02 -!- wth has joined. 03:16:04 It's so godawfully bad. 03:16:07 My milk is smooth and silky and cold. 03:16:11 Your milk is... sticky. 03:16:23 elliott: I can confirm that this isn't pan-American. 03:16:26 Milk is anything but smooth and silky. 03:16:34 Yahweasel: s/Milk/The milk I've drunk/ 03:16:45 Yahweasel: Was it skimmed in any way? 03:16:55 If it wasn't, semi-skimmed might be more to your liking /shrug 03:16:56 I've had 2%, 1%, skim, soy, whole ... 03:17:11 Milk is just godawfully bad. Not as bad as cheese, but horrible. 03:17:13 "Two samples of human breast milk" -- first picture on [[Milk]] 03:17:22 ... "Not as bad as cheese" WUT? 03:17:26 Yahweasel: I swear to god, milk is smooth and silky over here :P 03:17:35 Oh, wait, American. Most American cheese is godawful. 03:17:38 I wouldn't drink it if it did shit to the roof of my mouth. 03:18:00 It has pretty much the same texture as nice smooth orange juice for me /shrug 03:18:04 Except... not acidic. 03:18:47 -!- wth has left. 03:19:15 pikhq: Been to Genoa. Been to Prague. Will soon be to Paris. I promise you, I hate cheese. 03:20:04 Doods. Milk is NOT STICKY it is the BEST believe me 03:20:05 Same texture as ORANGE JUICE (minus acidity)??? 03:20:10 Yes. 03:20:19 God, why do people like milk >_< 03:20:26 Yahweasel: You hate orange juice? 03:20:26 -!- pikhq has set topic: We are now taking up collections for the "Gregor needs a sense of smell" fund | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Some logs also available at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 03:20:30 I was just trying to make an example. 03:20:35 It is as bad as a beverage can be. 03:20:36 It literally just has the texture of... liquid. 03:20:41 Milk, that is. 03:20:48 EXCEPT STICKY AND GROSS 03:20:51 SRSLY come to Britain we have nice milk from nice cows. 03:20:54 IT ISN'T STICKY I PROMISE YOU 03:21:02 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:21:04 Have you been having milk that didn't just come straight out of a good fridge? 03:21:25 Why is it that every time I describe a food/drink I don't like, people assume my sample size is one :P 03:21:33 Nonono. I'm no. 03:21:33 not. 03:21:42 It's just that milk is _really insanely hard_ to get right :P 03:21:50 I /hate/ 90 percent of milk because 90 percent of milk is terrible. 03:21:57 Yahweasel: Because you're describing things that are the very incarnation of deliciousness as "bad". :P 03:22:25 Yahweasel: It has to be the right brand, the right skimmedness (depends on brand, etc.), and it has to have either been in a good fridge for ages or, preferably, in the freezer for the last ten minutes, and it then has to be served and drunk immediately. 03:23:10 And you have to do this while standing on your head, while Jupiter is at its zenith and Orion's Belt is visible in the western sky. 03:23:11 It is /so delicious/. 03:23:15 Yahweasel: Pretty much. 03:23:28 I don't drink milk that often because it is such a coordinated practice to drink it :P 03:23:55 The hell foods *do* you like, Yahweasel? 03:23:56 In 2010 a college professor named Mark Haub went on a "convenience store" diet consisting mainly of Twinkies, Oreos, and Doritos in an attempt to demonstrate to his students "that in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most—not the nutritional value of the food". He lost 27 pounds over a 2 month period, returning his BMI to within normal range.[11] 03:23:57 THE BEST DIET 03:24:08 pikhq: Yahweasel survives on a diet composed entirely of Moxie. 03:24:46 Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks. 03:24:46 BLEH 03:24:48 I FEEL LIED TO 03:25:09 pikhq: Everything substantial I don't like is: Dairy, fish, various beverages. 03:25:20 Other than that, I like most everything. 03:25:28 Yahweasel: Fish? The fuck? 03:25:34 Yahweasel: What about fish do you not like? 03:25:35 Fish is horrible. 03:25:43 pikhq: Mostly the flavor :P 03:25:55 Fish has a horrible texture and a horrible flavour. 03:25:59 Everything about it is bad. 03:26:13 elliott: LIES AND DECEIT 03:26:15 Wait. 03:26:18 Yahweasel: Do you like pizza. 03:26:21 (I am testing Yahweasel's humanity.) 03:26:23 elliott: "Dairy" 03:26:25 Though it's better uncooked. :P 03:26:31 Pizza is... oh, cheese. 03:26:35 Yahweasel: You can have pizza without cheese. 03:26:49 elliott: You CAN, but people look at you funny and you get disowned. 03:26:51 (But... how does the utterly mild cheese cause distaste to you in pizza?) 03:26:53 I like no-cheese pizza though :P 03:26:58 Ugh, "mild" 03:26:59 Yeah, "cheese on all pizza" is an Americanism. 03:27:02 It doesn't even have the texture. 03:27:03 It tastes like dying and hell. 03:27:10 ??? 03:27:11 Yahweasel: OK, I've figured out the problem. 03:27:26 Yahweasel: Your definition of "taste" is one that involves not having a nose. 03:27:32 Therefore it is utterly unrelated to the sense known as "taste". 03:27:37 I propose you use the word "fnarf" instead. 03:28:00 The fnarf of liver paste is quite good, but the fnarf of cheese is abysmally bad. 03:28:01 Mozzarella on pizza /fnarfs/ like dying and hell. 03:28:03 It /tastes/ edlicious. 03:28:06 delicious. 03:28:35 Yahweasel: But yah, you can easily have pizza without cheese, it's a diverse field :P 03:28:44 I keep meaning to make some pizza. 03:28:46 -!- copumpkin has joined. 03:28:56 elliott: I like no-cheese pizza, you just can't buy that here :P 03:29:07 MAKE SOME 03:29:15 Yahweasel: And if anyone accuses you of being inauthentic, disown them. 03:29:16 Why bother? I can make better things. 03:29:45 http://www.textism.com/2008/06/10/on.pie ;; This will make everyone instantly hungry and want to make home-made pizza. 03:29:50 This is a Solid Fact. 03:29:53 pikhq: Please confirm the above. 03:29:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 03:32:23 elliott: I confirm that I want home-made pizza to satiate my hunger. 03:32:37 oerjan: hi, we're causing ourselves debilitating stress by reading an article that instantly causes anyone, anywhere to rabidly desire home-made pizza 03:32:42 DO YOU WANT TO CHOIN IN 03:32:42 JOIN 03:33:27 -!- wth has joined. 03:33:30 ... Unstoned olives? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT 03:33:42 elliott: *eh* 03:33:45 Olives? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT 03:33:52 Olives are designed for: making olive oil. 03:33:59 After that, they should be destroyed. 03:34:00 no. i have (almost) home-made smoked salmon. 03:34:00 oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 03:34:03 Yahweasel: ... 03:34:12 oerjan: ooh do it in channel 03:34:33 elliott: you were two seconds too late 03:34:44 WHAT WAS IT 03:34:51 @list messages 03:34:52 tell provides: tell ask messages messages? clear-messages 03:34:58 -!- wth has quit (Client Quit). 03:35:05 oerjan: WHAT WAS IT 03:35:13 lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover said 3h 21m 44s ago: At the first available opportunity, go to the Norwegian link in http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0140673605633338 and transfer it to my possession... 03:35:13 oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 03:35:17 -!- wth has joined. 03:35:17 05:33 =lambdabot> somehow. 03:35:19 oh, that was public :) 03:35:23 @messages 03:35:23 elliott said 25s ago: I have erased all the evidence. The mugging is at dawn. 03:35:23 oerjan: OMG DO IT IN PUBLIC 03:35:26 FUCK 03:35:32 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 03:35:48 elliott: yes, i checked the logs before pasting 03:35:53 oerjan: lame 03:36:00 @list messages 03:36:00 tell provides: tell ask messages messages? clear-messages 03:36:12 -!- wth has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:36:18 @help messages? 03:36:18 messages?. Tells you whether you have any messages 03:36:22 @messages? 03:36:23 Sorry, no messages today. 03:36:27 -!- wth has joined. 03:37:02 sadly there seems to be no way to get lambdabot to repeat it in channel afterwards 03:37:02 oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 03:37:08 @messages 03:37:08 AnMaster said 23s ago: I am ready for the sexy times... name a date and I'll be there ;) 03:37:12 :O 03:37:13 Vorpal 03:37:14 What is this 03:37:24 * pikhq is sad that lambdabot can't tell messages for yourself 03:37:32 pikhq: EXCUSE ME, THIS IS A SCANDAL 03:37:34 05:36 AnMaster [~elliott@91.104.230.10] 03:37:34 05:36 was : Elliott Hird 03:37:34 05:36 server : zelazny.freenode.net [Wed Apr 20 03:36:23 2011] 03:37:34 05:36 End of WHOWAS 03:37:38 DAM 03:37:39 DAMN 03:37:51 also, i already knew that was possible :D 03:38:05 well Vorpal is still ready for the sexy times, he just wanted me to relay the message. 03:38:05 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 03:38:12 @messages 03:38:12 pikhq said 20s ago: What do you mean, *this* is a scandal? What about our little scandal? 03:38:21 @tell pikhq DON'T TELL THEM ABOUT THE SCANDAL 03:38:21 Consider it noted. 03:38:26 (i checked it after that first message which i annoyed you by doing in public, because it _looked_ like it could be a fake) 03:38:28 FAIL 03:38:28 pikhq: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 03:38:32 @messages 03:38:32 elliott said 11s ago: DON'T TELL THEM ABOUT THE SCANDAL 03:38:44 @tell pikhq YOU'RE MAKING IT WORSE, STOP READING MESSAGES IN PUBLIC 03:38:44 Consider it noted. 03:38:54 @tell elliott FAIL 03:38:54 Consider it noted. 03:38:55 @messages 03:38:55 elliott said 11s ago: YOU'RE MAKING IT WORSE, STOP READING MESSAGES IN PUBLIC 03:39:06 @tell pikhq THIS IS RIDICULOUS 03:39:06 Consider it noted. 03:39:09 @messages 03:39:10 elliott said 3s ago: THIS IS RIDICULOUS 03:39:15 RIDICULOUS I SAY 03:39:15 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 03:39:18 @messages 03:39:18 pikhq said 24s ago: FAIL 03:39:20 OOPS 03:39:42 I wonder if /nick lilo works 03:39:44 I'm too scared to try 03:40:05 @tell phantom_hoover you appear to have this delusion that i have journal accesses... 03:40:05 Consider it noted. 03:40:11 I wouldn't be surprised if there's a K-line attached. 03:40:14 oerjan: erm it's _free_ in norway 03:40:15 apparently 03:40:17 or something like that 03:40:25 pikhq: TRY IT :D 03:40:36 oh hm 03:40:38 * lilo :Erroneous Nickname 03:40:38 BUGGER 03:40:41 maybe they got a log though 03:40:42 Fuck you; I liked lilo. 03:40:44 the witch-hunt is coming 03:41:03 pikhq: Who says we can't imitate those we liked? 03:41:14 lilo sayeth. 03:41:25 http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Rob_Levin 03:41:26 ED DISAGREES 03:41:43 -!- augur has joined. 03:42:06 ED's back then 03:42:10 Only partially. 03:42:19 The good folks at Archive Team have a bounty for the whole thing. 03:42:25 Only 90 bucks, but that's a lot for basement-dwellers :) 03:42:54 * pikhq salutes Archive Team 03:44:19 "Archive Team"? 03:44:37 Yahweasel: They archive websites that are shutting down. 03:44:46 Currently, they're archiving Google Video. 03:44:49 Yes, the whole thing. 03:45:05 Yahweasel: http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page 03:45:15 Yahweasel: Lead by Jason Scott, author of a buncha documentaries and a blog. You've heard of him. 03:45:18 -!- wth has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 03:45:23 Yahweasel: They archived shitloads of Geocities. And others. 03:45:41 "Congratulations, Google Video! With your announcement today you're removing access to all user uploaded video in 15 days, you outsmarted us!" --their Twitter 03:46:13 Damned shame that Google didn't just chuck some hard drives at archive.org and write it off. 03:46:48 When you're as big as Google, such loss of data happens by only one means: a complete failure to give a shit. 03:47:06 Still, the shutdown of Geocities was far worse. 03:47:21 elliott: what, ED has disappeared? of course i _did_ avoid visiting it... 03:47:29 Yes, it still doesn't change that it's a dick move by Google. 03:47:39 oerjan: Yes. It now redirects to "Oh Internet", the most SFW, irritating piece of shit website ever. 03:47:46 -!- wth has joined. 03:47:46 Because its owner decided it wasn't profitable enough. 03:47:50 There was no warning. 03:48:03 pikhq: Big red button to erase half of the internets + Yahoo executives = Oooh shiny. I think I'll press it. 03:48:30 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 03:48:39 pikhq: Big red button to erase half of the internets + Yahoo executives = Oooh shiny. I think I'll press it. 03:48:42 you mean ads that repel the majority of your potential readership isn't profitable? how weird. 03:49:06 Yeah, Yahoo!'s handling of it was *really* shitty. 03:49:22 oerjan: The /ads/ repelled you? 03:49:24 Especially given how freaking small Geocities was by modern standards. 03:49:28 They were hardly more NSFW than the rest of the images. 03:49:33 ok maybe. 03:49:36 They could've stuck the whole thing on a couple of drives. 03:49:41 And you're hardly "the majority of your potential readership" :P 03:49:50 Remember, kids, a terabyte is not much! 03:50:13 -!- pikhq has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 03:50:13 elliott: well i understood ED also had some interesting information. 03:50:24 oerjan: that doesn't mean it was SFW 03:50:34 the useful information was to the left of the cocks. 03:51:24 I wouldn't be surprised if there's a K-line attached. <-- that _would_ be a bit harsh, someone might not know about the older nick and it has at least two well-known meanings so people might easily choose it 03:54:07 it's just invalid :) 03:54:13 -!- elliott has changed nick to ililoalot. 03:54:15 -!- ililoalot has changed nick to elliott. 03:54:18 ok so just directly. 03:57:04 oerjan: read that article it is so :pizza: 03:58:40 Huh. 03:58:50 Jason Scott is now Archivist for the Internet Archive. 03:58:56 awesome 03:58:56 elliott: i'm currently busy with phantom_hoover's quest 03:59:17 archivists are my buddies 03:59:21 they are awesome 04:00:04 10apr2011 sabotage, a new distribution based on musl and busybox. Yes, I bootstrapped a new Linux distribution. 04:00:05 sodfijsdgojidgodfg sex 04:00:41 :D 04:01:35 sadly phantom_hoover's article is just a rather boring half-page summary 04:01:48 oerjan: GOOD ENOUGH 04:01:50 SEND IT IMMEDIATELY 04:02:14 i did 04:02:20 -!- azaq231 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:03:34 -!- wth has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 04:04:11 -!- Guest14106 has quit (*.net *.split). 04:07:35 -!- variable has joined. 04:08:23 -!- variable has changed nick to Guest90161. 04:10:35 Likewise for the Marines, Navy, and (hypothetically) Army, Coast Guard, Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, or National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps. 04:10:44 -!- Guest90161 has quit (*.net *.split). 04:10:53 "National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps 1 incoming!" 04:11:05 *One 04:11:30 i don't know how norwegians smell 04:11:37 delicious. also soap and milk. 04:11:49 oerjan: Yes, this could hypothetically happen. 04:11:58 But, the NOAA has no planes. 04:12:14 what about boats? 04:13:13 Borrowed from the Navy as needed. 04:15:12 i mean do they also get a One designation? this could be hilarious if the president somehow ended up on QE2 or the like... 04:16:21 If the President is on it, it's fucking getting a One designation. 04:16:29 Two is reserved for the Vice President. 04:16:34 * oerjan suddenly wonders if abbreviating Queen Elizabeth Two is appropriate 04:16:45 *too obscure 04:16:45 -!- Guest90161 has joined. 04:32:19 * pikhq_ wonders at music videos that make no sense 04:33:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqrwN-HhnC8&NR=1&feature=fvwp No, this does *not* make any more sense if you understand the lyrics. 04:38:38 * pikhq_ giggles. 04:38:46 "1) If God exists, then all morals and values are subject to God's will. 04:38:46 2) If all morals and values are subject to God's will, then morality is subjective. 04:38:49 3) If morality is subjective, then objective morals and values do not exist. 04:38:51 4) Therefore, if God exists, then objective morals and values do not exist." 04:39:47 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 04:40:13 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:40:42 (source: http://www.unifreethought.com/2011/04/refutation-of-moral-argument-or.html "A Refutation of The Moral Argument, or The Argument From Trollface") 04:43:34 I don't see how 2 or 3 holds 04:44:53 If morality were objective, then it could not possibly be defined by the perception of a single entity. 04:45:13 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 04:45:13 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 04:45:13 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 04:45:15 And if morality is subjective, then it could not possibly be the exact opposite of subjective. 04:48:40 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:49:04 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:00:07 ... 05:00:43 As soon as I get my computer working again, my minecart station is going to get uberawesome. 05:00:54 3 high. Fuck yeah. 05:02:36 i believe the customary notation for that is [3] 05:02:38 * oerjan ducks 05:03:27 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 05:04:40 * pikhq sentences oerjan to a 50x50 row reduction 05:04:45 xkcd XD 05:08:06 I'll pet this kitty while you do that. 05:14:00 *Determinant> det [[i^2 + j^2 | i <- [1..50]] | j <- [1..50]] 05:14:00 0 % 1 05:14:03 O KAY 05:14:50 oerjan, I'd almost certainly mess it up 05:15:08 i wrote that Determinant module years ago 05:16:32 oerjan: I take it that that does determinant via row reduction. 05:16:45 well something essentially row reduction, anyway 05:17:42 * pikhq was so very annoyed when expansion by cofactors was first taught. 05:18:02 I am *pained* by O(n!) algorithms. 05:18:28 yeah that's presumably useful for proving properties, though 05:18:50 Yes, but jeeeze O(n!) is just cruel. 05:19:12 Presuming n>3... 05:19:37 for the permanent iiuc the best algorithm is _still_ something not much better than that 05:19:49 Row reduction is O(n^3)... 05:20:33 P is significantly better than NP. :) 05:20:57 i'm not sure computing the permanent is even in NP 05:20:59 -!- Wamanuz3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:21:08 -!- Wamanuz3 has joined. 05:21:13 it's #P-complete, it was called 05:21:16 * pikhq realises he should look up "permanent" 05:21:31 (there was a recent Godel's Letter post about this) 05:21:58 Oh jesus fuck. 05:22:02 it's like the cofactor expansion except the sign is always positive 05:22:45 Yeah, the nice algorithm doesn't apply. 05:23:59 iirc the blog post or possibly a comment mentioned that using other group characters instead for the sign, you have a dichotomy where the calculation problem is _either_ in P or #P-complete. or maybe i'm misremembering. 05:25:13 Indeed, the permanent is not in NP. 05:25:23 Even proving #P=NP would be somewhat interesting. 05:25:51 yeah (well technically one is a function problem class and the other is a decision problem class) 05:27:39 probably was this one http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/valiants-permanent-contributions/ 05:29:19 -!- Wamanuz3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:29:20 s/probably/most definitely/ 05:29:25 -!- Wamanuz3 has joined. 05:30:24 * pikhq wonders if there is, indeed, an elegant proof of Fermat's Last Theorem that the margin is too small to contain 05:32:16 ah yes David Bacon's comment about the imman[ae]nt is what i was thinking of 05:32:16 -!- Wamanuz3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:32:38 -!- Wamanuz3 has joined. 05:33:58 -!- Wamanuz3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:34:16 -!- Wamanuz3 has joined. 05:34:46 i may have been confused about the dichotomy thing, and possibly kwregan's following comment 05:35:28 -!- news-ham has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 05:36:24 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 05:45:11 -!- Guest90161 has quit (Changing host). 05:45:11 -!- Guest90161 has joined. 05:52:51 -!- Wamanuz3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:54:39 -!- Wamanuz4 has joined. 06:14:08 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:24:15 -!- Wamanuz5 has joined. 06:24:15 -!- Wamanuz4 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:37:22 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:40:24 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 06:56:14 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 06:58:53 -!- Wamanuz5 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:00:18 -!- Wamanuz5 has joined. 07:17:18 -!- pikhq has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 07:30:35 hm 07:52:23 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 07:52:23 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 07:52:23 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 07:55:39 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:55:39 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 08:37:05 http://snowclones.org/index/ 08:56:26 -!- newsham has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:04:06 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 09:22:36 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 09:34:40 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 09:34:41 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 09:34:41 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 09:38:05 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:43:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:44:26 -!- sebbu has joined. 09:48:04 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:20:07 -!- wth has joined. 10:23:57 -!- wth has quit (Client Quit). 10:31:15 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 10:34:21 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 10:34:21 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 10:43:22 -!- wth has joined. 10:53:35 ...oh god I've been sucked in by Homestuck. 10:53:35 Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. 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YOU WILL NOW RECEIVE THE PAIN. 15:29:05 elliott: https://github.com/mozilla/narcissus/pull/31 <-- observe the greatest code I have ever written 15:29:09 - Ask a question with ridiculous precision, going so far as to cite the exact ISO standard identifier that defines C90 -> chirp chirp 15:29:24 elliott: I like comp.lang.c, because at least the second sort of question does normally get an answer 15:29:30 (and the first gets flamed into oblivion) 15:29:39 ais523: Hey, comp.lang.c probably doesn't have PoppaVic too. 15:29:45 WONDERFUL 15:30:03 Gregor: Wow at isValidIdentifierChar :P 15:30:10 The first one gets replies from them trolls about how "c.l.c fascists" are soon going to flame the question into oblivion. 15:30:10 Gregor: That's so metacircular it's cheating :P 15:30:17 Like function narcissusEval(x) { return eval(x); } 15:30:20 how is it defined? 15:30:26 ais523: https://github.com/mozilla/narcissus/pull/31 15:30:34 If you refuse to /click links/ to GitHub, I don't care. 15:30:56 that's just a pull request 15:30:56 Gregor: "Note that I did it this way after spending ten minutes compiling a database of all the relevant Unicode codepoints. I vote we don't do that :P" ;; Isn't there a file with all that shit? 15:31:03 ais523: With the function I referenced. 15:31:03 I did click the link, the information I wanted wasn't on the other end of it 15:31:08 Yes it was. You are blind. 15:31:12 elliott: Yes, but that would involve adding megs of bullshit to Narcissus :P 15:31:15 well none of the buttons on the page do anything 15:31:22 does it require JavaScript or something? 15:31:27 I don't know/care/etc. 15:31:31 elliott: Also ITYM that's so AWESOME it's almost cheatin g:P 15:31:51 Gregor: It already has kilos of bullshit, constituting a JavaScript program (one half bullshit), and a JavaScript interpreter (one half bullshit), making one whole bullshit :P 15:32:01 It seems to require JavaScript and not from just github.com (which I did have whitelisted) but also from "cloudfront.net". 15:32:06 APNIC (3x/32+/48 IPv6): 2x1k to Australia, 2x1k to Hong Kong, /32 to Indonesia, 1k+/32 to India, 25x1k to Japan, 2x1k to South Korea, 1k to Lao People's Democratic Republic, /32 to New Zealand, /48 to Philipphines, 1k to Solomon Islands, 1k to Singapore, 1k to Vietnam. 15:32:14 Froudclunt. 15:32:28 * oerjan vaguely thought unicode implementations had character classification functions... at least i thought that was how ghc did it... 15:32:36 oerjan: Not JS :P 15:32:37 Because it's shit. 15:32:48 ouch 15:32:51 Gregor: I should fork Narcissus and add e.g. block scoping, s-expression syntax, and make a pull request :trollface: 15:33:27 -!- lament has joined. 15:33:28 Gregor: BTW, re: megs of bullshit, I bet it could be expressed in a few k with a list of (start,end) ranges, plus maybe a list of specific codepoints to not include. 15:34:14 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:34:20 "Peculiar nouns: MIT AI hackers love to take various words and add the wrong endings to them to make nouns and verbs, often by extending a standard rule to nonuniform cases. Examples: porous => porosity. generous => generosity. Ergo:mysterious => mysteriosity. ferrous => ferocity. Other examples: winnitude, disgustitude, hackification." 15:34:33 Ferocity: THIS WORD IS A WORD THAT IS HACKER SLANG TOTES 15:34:34 elliott: You'd have to sign a Mozilla committer agreement to do the pull request lololol 15:34:45 Gregor: I can't, I'm a minor. 15:34:48 I cannot agree to contracts. 15:35:00 BUT I CAN PRESS BUTTONS THAT CREATE PULL REQUESTS :D 15:35:03 elliott: Then you can't commit to Narcissus! 15:35:16 Gregor: No, but I can annoy those who doX 15:35:30 * elliott reads the Ammitter's Cogreement 15:35:39 It's amazingly short. 15:35:44 he can commit to narcissism though 15:36:03 Gregor: That is the stupidest agreement ever, it's "don't commit things that violate the license" + bullshit :P 15:36:29 elliott: Yes, and? 15:36:40 elliott: It's NOT "you give us all your rights, so lol screw you" 15:36:50 Gregor: ANYWAY, I totes saw a news article about this smarmy twelve-year-old shit who fixed a buffer overflow or something in Firefox. 15:36:52 SO WHAT DID HE DO 15:37:19 Get somebody else to commit the code :P 15:37:40 Gregor: Hey Gregor, wanna troll Narcissus committers ;D 15:38:44 There's only one direct committer, and no, I don't want to troll him :P 15:39:39 Gregor: YOU: THE WORST??? 15:40:19 EL CAMINO BIGNUM: El Camino Real, a street through the San Francisco peninsula that originally extended (and still appears in places) all the way to Mexico City. It was termed "El Camino Double Precision" when someone noted it was a very long street, and then "El Camino Bignum" when it was pointed out that it was hundreds of miles long. 15:46:37 -!- cheater00 has joined. 15:48:31 -!- cheater- has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:50:31 -!- lament has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 15:50:44 el camino del nerds 15:52:40 How did ~/Code get this big. 16:07:08 "GNOME3 will replace GNOME2 once it gets moved to [extra]." --Arch 16:07:12 lol 16:17:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists 16:17:38 Of lists 16:21:19 olsner: I'm going to work on that Forth again :) 16:21:33 wait 16:21:36 i can't type an at sign 16:21:37 euurgh 16:32:22 "GNOME3 will replace GNOME2 once it gets moved to [extra]." --Arch 16:32:23 ouch 16:32:27 time to switch to xfce 16:32:42 Vorpal: well, it'll still have gnome-panel and stuff as "fallback" 16:32:43 apparently 16:32:51 but i don't think that will be maintained 16:33:07 elliott, well okay, I will give gnome3 a try I guess. 16:33:19 yeah, gnome three appears to be almost identical to two 16:33:21 elliott, didn't you say you would fork and maintain that? 16:33:21 apart from gnome-shell 16:33:31 elliott, okay, what is gnome-shell like? 16:33:33 since I do use that 16:33:34 Awful. 16:33:36 The worst. 16:33:37 Vorpal: No you don't. 16:33:41 gnome-shell is the new thing. 16:33:47 It is the worst piece of shit ever designed. 16:33:51 uh, what is it that I use then? 16:33:56 gnome-panel and metacity. 16:34:09 elliott, uh, isn't gnome-shell the terminal emulator? 16:34:14 No, that's gnome-terminal. 16:34:17 ah right 16:34:22 elliott, so they dropped metacity? 16:34:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_bisexual_people 16:34:48 No, they just aren't using it by default. They're using Mutter, the compositing port of Metacity to Clutter, which is Metacity Three. 16:35:02 Vorpal: Re: fork: Yeah, but between the fact that Unity is starting to look like it might actually be pretty good, and the fact that I'm planning to switch to a no-DE system on the desktop, means I'm not sure I care enough. 16:35:11 elliott, I have to say I'm quite fond of metacity. It isn't fancy, but it gets the job done with minimal fuss. 16:35:22 oklopol: :D 16:56:31 -!- Wamanuz4 has joined. 16:58:29 -!- Wamanuz5 has joined. 16:59:28 -!- Wamanuz4 has quit (Disconnected by services). 17:02:32 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 17:04:38 What the fuck is this game. 17:09:34 -!- crystal-cola has joined. 17:12:26 baez interview yudkowski 17:13:21 elliott 17:13:25 wut 17:13:30 did you read it 17:13:39 i haven't seen 17:14:02 baez asks some interesting questions and yudkowski says "I'm writing a book" 17:14:21 http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/this-weeks-finds-week-311/ 17:14:23 -!- cheater- has joined. 17:15:11 i'll read 17:15:23 two parts so far but more to come 17:15:55 why is there no transhumanism IRC 17:16:01 -!- cheater00 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 17:16:08 there is 17:16:12 well 17:16:17 there's a less wrong channel 17:16:27 which will have a high portion of transhumanists, i would wager 17:17:47 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:19:04 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 17:19:05 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 17:19:05 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 17:21:09 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:21:23 whats up 17:21:38 atoms 17:22:00 say something interesting 17:23:05 that's difficult 17:23:11 Done. No observable results for you, though. 17:23:14 -!- azaq23 has joined. 17:23:25 HRUPHRG 17:23:36 it was a schrödinger comment. and it died. 17:23:47 crystal-cola: wat 17:24:00 this isn't internet relay programming 17:24:09 maybe it is 17:28:20 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:28:46 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:28:46 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 17:28:46 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:28:48 internet relay porngramming 17:28:53 [caret] highest comedy 17:29:00 (Deletion log); 13:56 . . Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (deleted "AAAAAAAAAAAAAA": offtopic (and the only contributor was '91.153.119.130')) 17:29:02 ais523: what was the content? 17:29:06 I need to know so I can make an esolang out of it 17:30:49 ;/ 17:32:03 elliott: what's the right thing to do ? 17:32:09 crystal-cola: wut 17:32:25 some people think everyone should have fun 17:34:03 I SUPPORT THAT IDEA 17:37:56 * Sgeo_ is no longer a VLC worshipper 17:38:16 oerjan: you realise you just agreed strongly with Eliezer Yudkowsky :D 17:38:38 ...i realise you think i did 17:38:51 oerjan: it is _impossible_ for you to be sarcastic 17:39:05 so what is the conclusion 17:39:14 crystal-cola: of what 17:39:19 I want answers 17:40:56 crystal-cola: to what 17:41:40 science is based on the unjustifiable assumption that the world conforms to logic 17:42:18 crystal-cola: catch the wave 17:42:25 what wave 17:42:30 crystal-cola: the wave... of power 17:42:39 I dont know what you mean 17:43:16 elliott is a famous bisexual 17:43:27 bisexual is sexist 17:43:47 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224]). 17:43:57 that's my new all-purpose slander 17:44:27 your MOM is a famous bisexualist 17:44:42 crystal-cola: but if the world doesn't conform to logic then the world conforms to logic, so it's reasonable to assume that the world conforms to logic :D 17:44:51 bisexuality = mysogeny 17:45:36 ais523: what was the content? <--- childish personal attacks, against someone I've never heard of 17:45:51 it's the sort of vandalism Wikipedia gets 17:45:55 genial mysost 17:45:55 ais523: I need more details, or I can't make an esolang out of it 17:46:14 they posted it in a public place, I have a right to distort it into an esolang! 17:46:14 you're not going to get them, because you don't go around repeating personal attacks 17:46:14 crystal-cola: how so? 17:46:16 however silly they are 17:46:21 bisexuality = mysogeny // lol, I'd love to hear the logic behind this X-D 17:46:24 it's not fair to the person the attacks were against 17:46:26 ais523: yes I do, maybe you don't :) 17:46:35 was it actually a full name or was it just like 17:46:36 "john" 17:46:40 full name 17:46:43 but I can't remember it 17:46:47 because i'm totally john, and i want to know what they said against me, john 17:47:25 dear john 17:47:52 oklopol: Nothing is more demeaning to a women than a ``bisexual'' mans distaste and fundamental non-acceptance of her femininity 17:48:03 crystal-cola: what 17:48:05 it is akin to spousal abuse 17:48:12 at a psychosexual level 17:48:19 ... 17:48:20 lol :D 17:48:22 ur funny 17:48:23 X-D 17:48:30 see here http://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v9/9.06/4bisexuality.html 17:48:33 Gregor: btw /msg :P 17:48:33 bisexuality and feminism 17:48:39 elliott: Yes yes. 17:48:52 crystal-cola: but how did you arrive at that conclusion 17:48:53 using logic? 17:48:56 the universe isn't based on logic 17:49:02 of course I didn't use logic 17:49:04 olsner: I'm going to work on that Forth again :) | wait | i can't type an at sign 17:49:05 well true 17:49:08 it /was/ totally illogical 17:49:31 Skipping to the end, "In conclusion, bisexuality is a form of inclusivity and supports feminism and homosexuality by challenging sexism and heterosexism and by seeking equality of the sexes." 17:49:32 did that mean you were unable to do anything with the forth? 17:49:40 I don't try to force the false ideals of logic onto everythingg 17:49:54 olsner: well i can't test it without renaming at, and at is encoded as zero, which I use to know when to stop searching :D 17:50:01 Gregor: yes but if you read it you'd see that she's completely wrong 17:50:04 olsner: wanna try and fix my bug? i'll get out my virtual keyboard if you want to take a look :P 17:50:06 it's a weird one. 17:50:52 elliott: no, I'll be watching deadliest catch and whatever other tv series I've missed this week's episodes of... and then have a bath and/or a sandwich 17:50:57 There is no reason to use logical or rational thought, the only justification for doing so is because you enjoy it 17:51:09 olsner: you're a slave to the machine 17:51:23 crystal-cola: crystal-cola: but if the world doesn't conform to logic then the world conforms to logic, so it's reasonable to assume that the world conforms to logic 17:51:27 crystal-cola: do you have a response to this argument? 17:51:29 elliott: yep, mindless consumer and idler 17:51:35 it proves that logic is incontrovertibly true, even if it is not 17:51:43 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 17:51:54 elliott: Assuming logic is true, then since you used logic your argument is false 17:52:21 crystal-cola: Logic is invalid. Everything is true and everything is false. 17:52:24 So logic is valid. 17:52:38 I have presented a definitive ``illogical'' refutation of your argument 17:53:07 crystal-cola: here's my refutation of your argument 17:53:10 crystal-cola: ur mom 17:53:17 you're assuming that true = false, that's not provable 17:53:18 that's even less logical and therefore more valid 17:53:25 crystal-cola: no, but it doesn't have to be 17:53:26 we don't need proof 17:53:28 because logic is wrong 17:53:34 So you agree with me 17:53:43 crystal-cola: crystal-cola: Logic is invalid. Everything is true and everything is false. 17:53:43 So logic is valid. 17:53:49 Logic is invalid SO LOGIC IS VALID. 17:53:54 Or, logic is valid, and so logic is valid. 17:55:12 As Ayn Rand said, 17:55:20 nothing is valid and everything sucks 17:55:53 crystal-cola: ayn rand based her philosophy on logic 17:55:54 which is not valid 17:55:56 so we can ignore it 17:56:20 bbl 17:56:28 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:56:30 crystal-cola: what did ayn rand say? 17:56:57 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:57:02 olsner: don't you like debugging short assembly :| 17:57:52 elliott: whatever, you'll just put more bugs in afterwards 17:58:02 -!- monqy has joined. 17:58:14 olsner: this is a damn subtle bug, not even impomatic could find it ;D 17:58:49 heh, if it's so subtle, why do you need it fixed? 17:59:22 olsner: erm, it's subtle in the sense that the code looks like it's absolutely flawless, and is tiny, yet it breaks badly 17:59:26 you can't use the at instruction, for instance 17:59:39 what's that do? 18:00:01 olsner: err, it's the at sign 18:00:02 it accesses memory 18:00:04 it's pretty important 18:00:09 olsner: it's a problem with dictionary lookup 18:00:14 it would break other words as the dictionary increases in size, almost certainly 18:00:15 blergh 18:00:18 you'll see what i mean if you look 18:01:33 not sure I want to look, it'll probably make me want to investigate 18:02:57 olsner: http://sprunge.us/OYVO all the commented out bits are _not_ code i'm debugging, just relics of old interfaces/implementation that I couldn't bring myself to remove entirely (ok it's like four lines) 18:03:00 this line, near the end, is the important one: 18:03:01 ; If this is uncommented, then trying to execute @ (= 0) reports "?" 18:03:01 ;dd 0x1c ; \ 18:03:01 ;dw comp 18:03:06 and the function that is presumably broken is fword 18:03:17 which as you can see, is pretty much perfect 18:03:18 dd 0x1c? 18:03:24 yes, it's the packed version of \ 18:03:32 olsner: the fact that the at sign packs to 0 is used to terminate the list 18:03:34 at is put at the end 18:03:37 so that if it doesn't find a word 18:03:40 and the current word is 0 18:03:43 it can terminate the lookup 18:03:44 -!- copumpkin has joined. 18:03:47 you'll see what i mean if you look at fword 18:06:59 elliott: she said that the universe defines order, so there is no such thing as an unordered universe 18:07:22 ah. and that's interesting, because it's close enough to coherency, and sounds deep enough, that nobody notices it's meaningless 18:07:32 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:08:22 why is it meaningless? 18:08:43 elliott: you have cmp dword [di], and then you jump to something that does cmp word [di] without changing di inbetween 18:08:46 that just looks wrong 18:08:57 olsner: isn't that the point? 18:09:26 olsner: hmm, I guess I should check dword 18:09:27 ah, I see 18:09:31 because one-c is small enough 18:09:33 that the top bit is 0 18:09:35 olsner: thanks a ton 18:09:43 :) 18:09:55 "The fake philosophical terminology of mathematical logic has misled philosophers into believing that mathematical logic deals with the truth in the philosophical sense. But this is a mistake. Mathematical logic deals not with the truth, but with the game of truth." - Rota 18:10:00 the first 2 bytes are the least-significant though, so I doubt that all of it 18:12:52 like, it should in fact be a shorter way to check if it's zero, if you know that the low bits are never zero if the high bits are nonzero 18:13:42 olsner: i don't know that, though 18:13:43 well 18:13:48 I don't think it's meaningless. The point is that if you exist in some universe then "order" is whatever you perceive 18:13:48 i know that nothing but at starts with at 18:14:01 and i pack with the first character getting < so is that in fact a shorter way to check that? 18:15:00 so something like f@@@@ would break unless you make it check the full dword? 18:18:07 olsner: i think so, yes. but I can make it [at]f, rather than f[at] 18:18:08 i think 18:18:13 so it is okay if that breaks 18:18:24 but i just want to know why at itself breaks when i add 0x1C before it 18:18:36 i think it is because it thinks the dictionary ends at 1C 18:18:38 :/ 18:21:27 hello 18:22:23 what 18:24:54 Underwater creatures 18:25:03 -!- Sgeo__ has joined. 18:25:04 elliott, working on your forth again? 18:25:06 crystal-cola: what 18:25:08 Vorpal: yes 18:25:15 elliott: why aren't you more interesting 18:25:18 elliott, how much is done by now? 18:25:24 all you say is what im bored 18:25:31 crystal-cola: i'm perfectly interesting, do you mean why am i not interesting to you? 18:25:38 maybe because you're not saying interesting things to respond to 18:25:43 Vorpal: everything apart from everything 18:25:45 you star 18:25:46 t 18:25:51 elliott, :P 18:25:53 crystal-cola: nah, too busy working on my forth 18:26:01 forth is boring 18:26:17 no it isn't 18:26:21 not when it's in five-hundred and ten bytes of boot sector 18:26:33 bleh, qemu doesn't like xvkbd 18:28:14 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:42:05 hello 18:45:04 elliott: what does \ mean when it's the last character of a line? 18:45:13 olsner: ...ouch... 18:45:22 olsner: can I blame Emacs for that possibility? 18:45:53 NASM uses backslash (\) as the line continuation character; if a line ends with backslash, the next line is considered to be a part of the backslash-ended line. 18:45:54 of course! I hate emacs 18:46:02 olsner: well actually it'll be fizzie to blame 18:46:04 since he wrote nasm-mode 18:46:05 :D 18:46:16 he did? cool 18:46:36 to be fair, vim's highlighting doesn't handle comments ending in \ either 18:46:45 yep, this seems to be it 18:46:51 olsner: well he wrote the one i'm using after stealing it from him :D 18:54:49 elliott, you were wrong about not needing the log deleter program in uplink. 1) delete in the log directory works like version 1.0 log deleter, so they can be recovered with logundeleter 2) not all systems has a console, internic for example doesn't (and since it never traces it is a very good place to delete logs on) 18:55:53 Vorpal: well, ok. 18:56:00 Vorpal: re logundeleter: trash every system you hack into 18:56:01 it's easy 18:56:05 delete sys directory, shutdown 18:56:24 elliott, doesn't help as far as I can tell for computer handled passive trace 18:56:29 wat 18:56:34 LOGIC 18:56:35 elliott, besides that means you can never reuse the system for bouncing, no? 18:56:45 Vorpal: True, but it helps you achieve the Scorched Earth conduct. 18:56:59 elliott, does the game track that? 18:57:03 No. 18:57:12 (Destroy every single system that can be destroyed, kill or imprison every person that can be killed or imprisoned, then run Revelation to completion.) 18:57:19 ((I am trying to get PH to do this.)) 18:57:42 This includes killing ARC people :) 18:58:10 elliott, you can't *kill* anyone. You can get them into jail 18:58:34 Vorpal: hey, people kill people every day 18:58:57 Vorpal: yes you can 18:59:02 Vorpal: steal the uplink personnel files 18:59:06 you will get asked to send them 18:59:07 do so 18:59:16 tons of people will get imprisoned and killed 18:59:21 elliott, right, okay. But no one else than those 18:59:24 (your neuromancer or whatever rank becomes Sociopath) 19:01:02 elliott, I think darwinia reuses the "run software" sound 19:01:03 hm 19:01:05 let me check 19:01:50 hm nope, where else have I heard that sound though 19:10:51 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 19:21:14 Hello everyone. 19:21:32 (your neuromancer or whatever rank becomes Sociopath) 19:21:50 It actually only went down to the rating above that. 19:21:55 Ah :P 19:22:17 Since I'd made my initial cash by taking on anti-corporate missions and it was quite high. 19:25:35 Oh FFS dinner. 19:25:52 Hmm 19:26:06 Instead of giving the agents to Beta or whoever, why not jail them yourself for no good reason? 19:26:16 Then maybe hand them over. Can Beta kill people who are in jail? 19:27:14 You get paid a crapload for the names. 19:27:30 Nearly 50,000c IIRC. 19:28:01 Don't you make much more by bank robberies? 19:28:09 And bank robberies don't kill anyone! 19:28:14 Killing is good. 19:30:06 Sgeo__, bank robberies are a bit of a black sheep. 19:30:13 Hmm? 19:30:25 They're obviously not intentionally such a cash cow, because it's actively gamebreaking. 19:32:06 Phantom_Hoover, any idea how the network dual monitor stuff in uplink works? 19:32:29 Dual monitor? 19:32:37 Like, two on the connection view? 19:33:03 Phantom_Hoover, look in the options 19:33:21 Phantom_Hoover, click "edit multimonitor options" 19:33:24 and wonder what it is 19:33:39 Multimonitor as in having two screens? 19:35:14 Phantom_Hoover, I don't know what it does! 19:35:17 I'm trying it out atm 19:35:51 okay one of them just crashed with SIGABRT 19:36:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw 19:36:20 This annoys me hugely. 19:37:35 Phantom_Hoover, there are two new buttons on the "client" on the startup screen of it 19:37:37 one called comms 19:37:39 Not the argument itself, because it looks to be correct, but because this guy is quite clearly a free-market idiot. 19:37:40 the other called status 19:37:48 clicking status causes sigabrt 19:37:59 due to a detected buffer overflow in an assert 19:38:08 clicking comms brings up an empty world map 19:38:12 Phantom_Hoover: lol sixty five pence OH NO 19:38:19 this seems pretty pointless 19:38:22 Phantom_Hoover: also known as approximately 0 19:39:13 Phantom_Hoover: twenty-three seconds in, I now know that the Royal family is the absolute cheapest thing our government spends money on 19:39:14 elliott, watch until he gets to the crown estates bit. 19:39:21 "its not the money we spend on them that sucks, its the fact that theure born and never have to do ANYTHING difficult in their life and people around the world are starving to death.." 19:39:25 OFFICE JOBS ARE UNFAIR 19:39:32 Everyone must do manual labour. 19:40:22 elliott, erm, wait, you are pro-royals? 19:40:32 Phantom_Hoover: No, I'm anti-idiotic-arguments. 19:40:33 Phantom_Hoover, whatever that multimonitor thingy is, it doesn't work 19:41:01 Phantom_Hoover: Although the royal family does have /some/ use: look at America, who doesn't have a powerless highest-class to fawn over. Instead, people like Sarah Palin are famous. 19:41:21 The Royal family at least serves as a safe sink for everyone's patriotic adoration. 19:41:57 Well, that doesn't annoy me; the smarmy little man saying "they inherited this land SO OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE A TRANSCENDENT RIGHT TO IT" does. 19:42:10 elliott, that is quite an interesting point 19:42:30 Vorpal: I copied it from someone else, but I forget who, and it was a long time ago. :) 19:42:33 I mean, they didn't acquire that land by free trade. 19:42:43 It's a pretty cynical land, mind you. 19:42:52 -!- Gregor has changed nick to Yahweasel. 19:43:31 elliott, nasty answer here would be "ah, that explains it", but since I'm not nasty, I wouldn't even dream about saying it 19:43:42 (yes this is intentionally not very logical) 19:43:45 :P 19:43:48 Everyone copies their opinions from everyone else. 19:44:55 Phantom_Hoover: This guy does not really sound like a free-market idiot. Free-market idiots don't like the Royal family. 19:45:57 Everyone copies their opinions from everyone else. <--- nasty answer: that was good, where did you copy that from? 19:46:11 Vorpal: I made it up my very self >:) 19:46:45 Phantom_Hoover: This guy is actually pretty funny :P 19:47:28 I'm sorry, but the "they own the land" bit annoyed me too much to continue. 19:48:09 Phantom_Hoover: Shut up or we'll kick you out of U.R.E.S.W.N.I. 19:48:28 Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, are you denying that the royals /do/ actually own the land? 19:48:38 elliott, they do, yes, but it's missing the point. 19:49:17 Hey wait it's /that/ Grey. 19:49:19 Is that the guy? 19:49:21 I think that is the guy. 19:50:32 Phantom_Hoover, would it be possible to gain admin on ever internal service system where it is possible in uplink before they change the password of the first one? 19:51:01 Phantom_Hoover, just a small challenge to you ;) 19:58:32 i don't get it 20:00:18 Vorpal, probably. 20:00:24 elliott, admin passwords change over time. 20:00:39 Ah. 20:00:45 Phantom_Hoover: WILL YOU TRY MY SCORCHED EARTH CONDUCT 20:00:50 NO 20:01:00 BECAUSE IT WILL BE IMMEASURABLY TEDIOUS 20:01:37 Phantom_Hoover: ALSO FUN 20:01:39 Anyway, I've decided I don't really mind the whole royal thing that much, though I reserve the right to be contemptuous towards anyone who actually cares about their antics. 20:02:37 Oh, certainly; 'TIS FOR THE PLEBIANS 20:03:06 The Royal family is utterly unnecessary, but getting rid of them is way more trouble than it's worth and they seem to be worthwhile. 20:03:09 Somehow. 20:05:17 I also get the sense that without the disadvantageous deal on the crown estates, there would have been another, more permanent revolution. 20:05:36 TL;DR: oh, English people! 20:07:19 Oh, wait, you guys lost your monarchy so you just borrowed ours. 20:07:24 Erm... 20:10:51 (True story.) 20:17:25 These individuals are just as emotionally driven and biased as the rest of us, but they're able to generate more and better reasons to explain why they're right—and so their minds become harder to change. 20:17:58 crystal-cola, wrong channel. 20:18:10 what do you want 20:18:24 happiness 20:19:22 Phantom_Hoover: yeah this is the channel for english royalty ;DD 20:19:30 ("english" :trollface:) 20:20:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:20:34 Top epidemiologist Jim Carrey claims that vaccinations are causing autism 20:20:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:21:17 crystal-cola: lol 20:21:40 20:20:34: Top epidemiologist Jim Carrey claims that vaccinations are causing autism 20:21:42 Good one. 20:22:43 i'm not an epidemiologist, but i play one in interviews 20:45:49 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 20:49:20 http://alyankovic.wordpress.com/the-gaga-saga/ 20:49:34 Weird Al: awesomest musician? 20:50:17 From a conference submission "conflicts of interest" form: "3) This PC member has been a collaborator within the past two years. 4) This PC member is or was an author's primary thesis advisor, no matter how long ago." -- like murder, there is no statute of limitations for thesis advisorship, it seems. 21:00:04 -!- hiato has joined. 21:02:33 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:03:25 -!- hiato has quit (Client Quit). 21:11:59 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:12:25 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 21:13:45 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:17:58 Phantom_Hoover: I can't believe people have the _right_ to deny people permission to parody their work. 21:18:09 -!- rapido has joined. 21:18:18 hi rapido 21:18:27 elliott, they don't. 21:18:31 Phantom_Hoover: Well, no. 21:18:38 It's completely, unshakeably under fair use. 21:18:40 hey elliott! 21:18:48 Phantom_Hoover: But if he /didn't/ ask for permission, he'd have a rather difficult time getting contracts, etc. 21:18:51 Al is just a nice guy and as such always asks for permission. 21:19:07 Well, yes, it's in his interest as well. 21:22:35 arthur whitney's code is conventional: who would ever guess?: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4248#comment-65324 21:23:01 Conventional if you totally reformat it :P 21:23:22 anyone into k/q ? 21:23:44 I like K (though I'm not very good at it), I don't care about Q. 21:23:53 I'm more comfortable with J, but K is cool too. 21:24:10 elliott: comfortable? really? cool! 21:24:14 Well. 21:24:16 MORE comfortable 21:24:18 not comfortable :) 21:24:39 But then maybe it never gets easier than this :P 21:25:31 i wonder if k/q tables is ultimate data structure (there is no such thing) 21:25:41 is -> is the 21:25:43 there is no such thing :) 21:25:50 they're quite awkward to do trees in 21:25:58 anything that can't do trees naturally can't be the ultimate data structure 21:26:08 or, well, maybe i should just say graphs 21:26:13 trees are just a subset of graphs after all :) 21:26:18 graphs are the closest thing to the ultimate data structure imo 21:26:24 elliott: DAGs please 21:26:26 after all, that's how they get represented, no matter what the hardware architecture 21:26:42 rapido: acyclic? but then how do you represent x = cons y x? 21:26:43 :) 21:27:20 elliott: i don't like loopy stuff - i get dizzy 21:28:01 rapido: 21:28:01 isprime n = not . any ((==0) . (n `mod`)) . takeWhile ((<= n) . (^2)) $ primelist 21:28:02 primelist = 2 : [x | x <- [3,5..], isprime x] 21:28:10 [rapido suddenly gets so dizzy he passes out] 21:28:32 primes are fine - they are unique! 21:28:41 rapido: clearly you haven't looked at how the code actually works 21:28:58 primelist is two, followed by all odd numbers n such that (isprime n) 21:28:59 uh 21:29:00 how is that J 21:29:04 ah, mutual recursion? 21:29:10 isprime n just checks that the number doesn't divide any of the primes less than n squared :) 21:29:14 where does it get the primes? 21:29:14 primelist 21:29:18 crystal-cola: it isn't, it's Haskell 21:29:22 but it's the loopiest code i know of :) 21:29:55 rapido: so hand-waving, primelist is just all numbers that isprime, and isprime n just checks nothing in a prefix of primelist divides n :) 21:30:06 (and primelist itself is infinite) 21:31:16 elliott: can you rewrite this into Y-combinator? it believe you can 21:31:26 you can rewrite any recursion with the y combinator 21:31:27 into <- into a 21:31:29 you can but.... Y would you? 21:31:32 but primelist isn't a function, it's just a list 21:31:50 haskell doesn't need Y combinators, U is enough due to lazyness 21:31:53 * elliott thinks rapido should be a lot dizzier round about now 21:31:59 fixed point combinators other than Y 21:33:58 i like fixed point combinators exactly because it doesn't require (lazy) cyclic definitions 21:34:23 yes it does 21:34:25 it constructs them itself 21:34:33 the Y combinator requires laziness btw btw 21:34:35 otherwise it diverges 21:35:17 not the one I learned in SICP 21:35:22 that's not Y 21:35:28 Y NOT? 21:35:32 har har har 21:35:41 wikipedia calls the strict version Z 21:35:42 Z = λf. (λx. f (λy. x x y)) (λx. f (λy. x x y)) 21:35:55 nice lambdas there 21:35:55 of course in languages with non-function types, this can only be used on a function, which sucks a bit 21:36:00 elliott: not if you feed the (derivative) Y combinator a fixed number of iterations after which it should stop 21:36:05 monqy: yeah, thank wikipedia :p 21:36:07 rapido: gross 21:36:35 it make the Y combinator a total function - ah yeah! 21:36:57 yeah, by way of being totally ugly 21:37:04 lol 21:37:12 anyway, it's not enough, it's total but you can't list all the cases 21:37:15 UNACCEPTABLE 21:37:26 it must only take a thirty-two bit natural number of iterations 21:37:32 that way, we can write all the possible cases out 21:37:45 I'm starting the Order of Ultrafinitist Programmers, we code exclusively in lookup tables 21:38:05 The sad thing is most programmers are already ultrafinitists 21:38:19 that sounds like an unlikely propositio 21:38:19 n 21:38:21 lookup tables - that's finite enough for me 21:38:25 using languages that dont admit infinite lists and such 21:39:12 don't most programmers use turing-complete languages 21:39:20 * copumpkin sighs 21:39:29 Hmm. I removed /r/pics and /r/gaming from my front page and I now see the advantage of having them. 21:39:40 i read that a total functional language can't emulate itself - is this true? 21:40:37 Phantom_Hoover: What advantage? 21:40:39 or is it the other way around :) 21:40:40 copumpkin: hi there :D 21:40:54 rapido: it's the same as all the other diagonalization arguments 21:41:14 elliott, they buffer out stuff that is actually interesting with mindless dross *very* effectively. 21:41:28 Phantom_Hoover: And this is a good thing why? :P 21:42:04 Because stuff that is actually interesting sucks in time way too well. 21:44:56 rapido: I don't know 21:45:39 zzo38: i also don't know (what you're referring to?) 21:45:57 I don't know, if it is true, if a total function language can't emulate itself. 21:47:32 zzo39: the guys and girls from LTU say it can't be: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3076 21:48:01 If e : N -> (N -> N) is an evaluator and for every function f : N -> N suppose there was a code c : N such that e c = f then let f n = e n n + 1 and x be the code for f then f x = e x x + 1 = f x + 1 21:48:05 therefore 0 = 1 21:48:40 this is standard diagonalization argument like Turin 21:48:42 g 21:49:00 my gut feeling says you can - but you need BigNums 21:49:12 BigNums that are finitie 21:49:20 finitie <- finite 21:50:02 BigNums are just numbers 21:50:04 let's say you want to generate x numbers 21:50:26 I guess mathematical proof is not enough to convince you 21:50:28 BytePusher is one system that uses lookup tables for everything. (I think) 21:50:30 if you're talking about "total functional languages" and whether they can emulate themselves in theory, you shouldn't even be considering anything but infinite numbers 21:50:47 machine integers are irrelevant to the discussion, let's say 21:50:49 and you define a function that takes x^x - it is still finite - but slow 21:51:26 exponentiation isn't total 21:51:52 yes it is 21:52:04 there's the question of what 0^0 is 21:52:10 well, right. 21:52:12 it grows too fast 21:52:17 crystal-cola is arguing in the bullshit sense, though. 21:52:25 there is no evidece that numbers bigger than 1000000000000 can be exponentiated 21:52:31 oh okay 21:52:33 crystal-cola: you're using the unjustified assumption that LOGIC IS VALID 21:52:40 therefore exponentiation is total 21:52:44 i like total functions - call me sane 21:53:04 logic is relevant to this actually 21:53:17 using logic one finds evidence that exponentiation is different 21:53:36 but it's UNJUSTIFIED 21:53:37 i also like rewriting languages: 0^0 may be should be left not to be rewritten 21:53:41 as 0/0 21:53:52 There is no reason anything should be justified 21:54:36 I approve of the 0^0=1 argument based on set theory. 21:55:10 id : Void -> Void 21:55:30 Also there's the fact that x^x → 1 as x → 0. 21:55:55 i would just leave x^x as is. 21:56:07 yeah 21:56:27 anyone know a ray tracing engine that can handle diffraction? From what I can tell, povray can't. 21:56:30 if x was replaced with 0 21:56:44 I think $0^0=1$ is make sense (in general). 21:56:48 ray tracing? - ah yeah! 21:57:49 Vorpal: what's diffraction? does it concern 'corner cases' ? 21:57:57 what do you mean with that 21:58:16 -!- crystal-cola has quit (Quit: leaving). 21:58:16 also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction 21:58:34 in fact, full interference simulation would be even better... 22:00:32 Vorpal: can you implement a turing complete language on top of a interference simulation? - i guess you can 22:00:45 Vorpal, kinda-sorta possible, but it makes the process take much longer. 22:00:46 err. that was not my intention in this case 22:01:05 But is it possible? 22:01:14 Phantom_Hoover, offline rendering here in any case, and I'm making one image, not a movie. So time is not an issue. 22:01:36 So you're ready to compute for three years for your image? 22:01:48 Do you need faster computer? 22:02:02 fizzie, oh, is that the time scale we are talking about? 22:02:03 Or, multi-cores? 22:02:12 fizzie, a week or two: yes 22:02:28 ah, multi cores - they make programming lousy 22:02:34 ... what? 22:02:35 Vorpal: Just a generic "time is not an issue" comment; but it's certainly possible to easily add a couple of order of magnitudes in ray-tracering. 22:02:48 Vorpal, remind me, do raytracers work from light sources? 22:02:58 rapido: How do they make programming lousy? 22:03:05 Phantom_Hoover, there is both backward and forward ray tracing 22:03:15 rapido: not if you program functionally. 22:03:20 Phantom_Hoover, so: both are possible, sometimes a mixture of them I think 22:03:52 I don't think raytracers generally do diffraction; I mean, they're *ray*tracers. (And even particle-oriented things like POV-Ray's photon mode might not bother with that level of detail.) 22:04:12 zzo38: because you should abstract away multi-cores - but they always bite back through share memory :) 22:04:47 I think the big problem is that you can't keep rays as rays: they don't bend when they diffract, they... fuzz. 22:05:01 Phantom_Hoover, anyway, the kind of stuff I need here is the detail of the iridescence of a CD. Yes I realize it will be slow. No clue how slow. 22:05:09 Phantom_Hoover, yes 22:05:15 Vorpal: Typically you just fake that sort of things. 22:05:26 hmm, I wonder if I could do this with tup 22:05:36 of course - if you program functionally you don't have share memory (if you don't consider the garbage collector) 22:05:39 rapido: Why should you abstract away multi-cores? Shouldn't you simply write the program for each core (some of which may run the same program)? Shared memory is needed for this to work good, isn't it? 22:05:40 fizzie, but how would one compute how exactly the pattern would look? 22:05:56 Phantom_Hoover, okay, I'm willing to give up on ray tracing. Lets do wave propagation or something 22:06:12 Vorpal, I happen to have a DVD to hand. 22:06:15 Vorpal: LuxRender's "TODO/papers for inspiration" page points to http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/people/stam/reality/Research/pdf/diff.pdf -- a siggraph paper about anisotropic surface reflections. But it's not something that's implemented. 22:06:22 * Phantom_Hoover uses EMPIRICAL OBSERVATION 22:06:24 Phantom_Hoover, yes quite. That was just an example. 22:06:51 fizzie, *ooh* 22:07:27 fizzie, hrrm, that "Alias | wavefront" sounds familiar... Isn't it a commercial render? 22:08:26 ellliot: 'tup'? very intriguing - but what is it? 22:08:48 Vorpal: It's a commercial company. But they did that Maya 3D modelling thing. 22:09:00 The paper uses a CD as an example. 22:09:02 fizzie, right 22:09:04 rapido: Oh, it's just a build system thing. I'm trying to automate boring things. 22:09:13 fizzie, well yes, it is an obvious example 22:09:59 elliott: boring stuff? hey - i'm into CMMi level 3 stuff - talk about boring 22:10:03 Vorpal: "We have implemented our reflection models as various shaders in our MAYA animation system" -- right. 22:10:03 fizzie, if this can handle edge diffraction I'm in heaven 22:10:22 rapido: well, tup is http://gittup.org/tup/ 22:10:58 DAGs! I love them! - did i mention that earlier? 22:11:09 yes. yes you did :) 22:11:15 rapido: but tup's are better because the arrows go upwards. 22:11:18 it's faster that way. :D 22:11:45 Vorpal: Also the poor man's choice, http://matrep.parastudios.de/index.php?action=view&material=448-cd&fc=14 :p 22:12:08 fizzie, that is a faked one 22:12:11 upwards? is it purely functional? 22:12:33 rapido: It's a build system, the WHOLE POINT is sideeffects :P 22:12:34 Well, in a sense they all are faked ones. 22:12:39 fizzie, and since I'm not doing a CD, it isn't very useful. I too used a CD as an example :P 22:13:13 fizzie, in fact I'm interested in edge diffraction, as can be seen around the shadow of a leaf or such. 22:13:38 elliott: ah ha! i think build systems should generate immutable artifacts! - SO THERE! 22:13:54 fizzie, meaning that the paper you linked doesn't really help 22:14:04 not edge diffraction as far as I can tell 22:14:13 You might be asking for a bit too much there. 22:14:26 rapido: but artifacts belong in a museum 22:14:29 'I apologize in advance if someone besmirches your honor and you are unable to properly defend yourself as a result.' <- VERY AMUSING 22:14:34 ooh, museum would be a good immutable data storage name 22:14:36 i'll write that one down 22:15:08 elliott: oh, oh - can i use your invention 'museum'? it's great 22:15:19 fizzie, I'm not asking for it to be fast. I'm asking for it to be possible to batch render over a couple of weeks on a modern computer to a reasonable quality, that is all. 22:15:25 the client library will be called indiana 22:15:31 Vorpal, for a *CD*? 22:15:32 now where do the nazis come in 22:15:52 Phantom_Hoover, no. that wouldn't be edge diffraction mostly 22:16:37 Vorpal: You could start browsing from http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.5490 and the Freniere1999/Tsingos2000 references; but I think it's quite unlikely you find these things implemented anywhere. 22:16:44 Vorpal, what are you possibly doing that involves edge diffraction? 22:17:11 Phantom_Hoover, rendering an image! 22:17:22 *What* image? 22:17:36 Phantom_Hoover, why are you asking? 22:18:07 Vorpal, because then special-case cheating can be considered. 22:18:40 Yes, I think "just fake it" is quite likely to be the most practical answer for your question. 22:19:09 Phantom_Hoover, that of a tree with a light from behind is what I'm considering. Giving the right setup you should be able to see edge diffraction around the leaves. 22:19:26 and in shadows 22:20:04 Phantom_Hoover, but yeah, if it is this hard I'll probably not invest time into it 22:20:07 Vorpal: Anyway, the arxiv paper has a GPU real-time CD example; and the famous double-slit experiment rendered, too. 22:20:35 fizzie, nice 22:20:41 (I'm quite sure they don't bother sharing any code, though.) 22:22:38 Can you do it if they do not share the code too? 22:23:11 Theoretically speaking articles are supposed to be detailed enough for anyone to reproduce their results. 22:23:25 Quite often there's details missing, though. 22:23:29 i want executable esoteric languages - above narrative esoteric languages - although i like story telling above reality..... 22:23:40 Then the article should be a WEB or CWEB program to ensure that no details are left out. 22:24:18 And then you can download the source file and compile it, and reproduce their results for sure!! 22:24:24 Even worse if it's just a four-page conference paper; those things take so many shortcuts. 22:24:55 elliott: ouch, the darcs people are apparently implementing a rebase 22:25:07 ais523: What does that mean? 22:25:17 in order to help it fix conflicts that itcan't figure out automatically, but still 22:25:21 ais523: aieee 22:25:25 zzo38: rebase is a feature of git that lets you edit history to make it neater 22:25:32 and thus, less accurate to what actually happened 22:25:34 ais523: we must team up with our enemies in the Camp team to stop this atrocity at once 22:25:37 and it causes all sorts of issues 22:25:53 ais523, seriously? 22:26:39 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 22:26:39 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 22:26:39 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 22:26:39 you can edit history without changing the past 22:27:19 you just create an alternative history 22:27:39 and leave the past (1 example of history) as is 22:27:45 that's not what git does, though 22:27:50 and then it gets confused because the histories don't match 22:29:06 is git confluently persistent? - if not - it should be fixed to be that way 22:29:41 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:29:51 I don't know, I have set up a git repository and I do not use most of its features, so maybe I don't care either. 22:30:03 fizzie, hm I wonder if http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.5490 has been implemented anywhere? Considering the date, of publishing, probably not 22:30:18 well, outside their system 22:31:53 My guess is not. 22:31:55 zzo38: has git bitten you in a way that you didn't expect? 22:32:14 rapido: No. 22:33:59 zzo38: are you alone? or are you part of a big team? 22:34:16 lol 22:34:20 rapido: I have only worked on it alone. 22:35:02 most version control systems work flawlessly when only a single person is using it 22:36:57 It is however, design so that also other people can make fork, and make other projects too, including to download and copy it. So it is possible for other people to do it even though it is only single I work on it, but as far as I know, nobody does, but that's OK. If other people have suggestion they can write elsewhere instead. 22:37:04 Vorpal: no, only the flawless ones 22:37:13 zzo38: i'm alone but working with a lot of people: then i try to explain versioning / baselining- get stale looks ....and the scarce reply is: very interesting stuff! 22:37:18 olsner, . 22:40:06 checking out :) it's 00.30 in the netherlands 22:40:10 later! 22:40:18 -!- rapido has quit (Quit: rapido). 22:40:30 it should be 00.39 in the netherlands 22:41:47 * Phantom_Hoover reads Reddit some more, concludes that he is somehow socially competent. 22:42:06 in what way? 22:42:44 In the way that people acknowledge my existence on a regular basis, although admittedly there's a titanic confirmation bias acting against Reddit. 22:43:21 Phantom_Hoover: being mentioned in the context of being "that faggot" doesn't count as acknowledgement, Phantom_Hoover 22:43:32 Hahahahaha. 22:50:40 -!- coppro has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:52:39 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 22:57:07 -!- pikhq has joined. 22:59:17 It would seem that Tup could use a way to specify an alternate means of seeing if a file has changed... 22:59:29 pikhq: HAVE YOU BEEN READING THE LISTS 22:59:55 elliott: Yes, but I had actually been thinking that earlier today. 22:59:59 pikhq: What I'm trying to do is bootstrap Kitten using tup. 23:00:15 pikhq: Which means that going from only my handful of tup files and maybe some patches, it will download and build every stage of Kitten. 23:00:46 It'd be very nice to be able to, say, specify that a file is changed if the output from a program has changed. 23:00:58 pikhq! 23:01:04 I have an American question!" 23:01:13 Do you guys all think we have terrible teeth? 23:01:16 This would, incidentally, allow you to do optional checksumming. 23:01:18 pikhq: I'm considering just doing : foo.stamp |> wget http://blah/ -O [percent]o |> foo/blah. 23:01:22 pikhq: That'd be ugly, but /shrug 23:01:26 It's probably what I'd do with make. 23:01:27 Phantom_Hoover: Yes, that is the meme. 23:01:44 elliott: Ugly, but it functions without any changes in Tup. 23:02:03 pikhq: Yeah, and the other way would imply like five curl calls every "tup upd"... 23:02:34 elliott: Yeah, but five curl calls to just check the mtime of the remote file... 23:02:48 Precisely. 23:02:52 Phantom_Hoover: The reason for this meme is that Americans place much more importance on the aesthetics of teeth than Britons. 23:03:09 pikhq, ah. 23:03:42 *In fact*, the average Englishman has much healthier teeth than the average American. Just not as straight and sparkling. 23:04:49 elliott: Those remote calls won't take much time, especially with parallelism. 23:05:00 pikhq: But but tup is so fast otherwise. 23:05:18 Though a more obvious problem with calling out to an external program to check for any changes is that it throws off the autoupdate feature. 23:05:26 Right. 23:05:57 pikhq, I can vouch that that is very much not the case in other parts of the UK. 23:06:16 Phantom_Hoover: How common are dental braces in the UK? 23:06:24 pikhq, fairly. 23:06:32 Well, in Scotland at least. 23:06:51 I can't comment on anywhere else with much accuracy. 23:06:59 Define "fairly". 23:07:35 As in, in a given group of people I know, some of them will probably have braces or retainers. 23:07:57 Is it a procedure that is going to be done on anyone without impeccable teeth that can afford it? 23:08:22 they have braces? maybe you should tell them to stop coding C/C++/Java 23:08:47 Well, it was recommended for me, but I do have a gap between my upper front teeth that my tongue can fit into. 23:08:55 But not everyone, no. 23:09:17 I have a totally fucked up tooth. 23:09:21 A majority, or significant minority? Perhaps. 23:14:27 pikhq, consider, though, that a friend of my mother's who is a primary school teacher in NI said that literally all of her class had rotten teeth. 23:14:53 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:15:48 Like, 5- or 6- year olds. 23:16:23 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 23:16:46 (Yes, she is one of those idiot teachers who result in almost all children being dead to education before they pass 8. No, I am not allowed to do anything about this.) 23:17:23 night 23:18:57 Well, in Scotland at least. <-- YOU MEANT WALES 23:19:03 (now, night, really) 23:19:49 Phantom_Hoover: I suggest you murder her. 23:20:17 pikhq, she's retired now on medical grounds the details of which I am unaware. 23:20:22 -!- cheater- has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:20:47 This surprised me until I realised that I had severely underestimated her age due to how mindmeltingly shallow she is. 23:21:39 WE REQUIRE DETAILS 23:23:44 Imagine your stereotypically shallow woman. 23:23:51 There is no further detail. 23:23:55 NO 23:23:58 WE REQUIRE DETAILS ON TEACHING TERRIBLENESS 23:24:36 Imagine the aforementioned teaching. 23:24:50 I REQUIRE 23:24:51 DETAILS 23:25:01 I don't know the details, or have repressed them so I can stay slightly afloat in the ocean of cynicism. 23:25:18 HOW DID YOU KNOW SHE WAS A TERRIBLE FEATURE 23:25:36 ...TEACHER 23:29:01 Well, she emanates this aura of "it is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT that children be FORCED TO LEARN TO READ by the time they are FIVE otherwise WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS ANYWAY" 23:29:28 there are children who enter school without being able to read? :) 23:29:45 Yes, although it is inconceivable to such intellects as ours. 23:30:00 elliott: There are students who enter high school functionally illiterate. 23:30:02 well, they can go to the retard school. 23:30:36 elliott, reading is not taught at all well. 23:30:54 Or even consistently. 23:31:25 just keep having babies and cull the ones who don't demonstrate above-average intelligence at the age of five, duh 23:32:05 It's pretty poorly taught pretty much everywhere that has non-trivial orthography->phoneme mapping. 23:32:37 teach them lojban 23:32:42 and dog 23:32:53 elliott, or even a sane way of spelling English. 23:33:05 or dogban 23:33:08 lojban for dogs 23:33:13 (dogs are about as smart as five year olds) 23:33:22 Phantom_Hoover: Hard to do, courtesy of the wide variety of phonemic variation in English. 23:34:11 pikhq, not *that* hard. 23:34:44 The number of actual *collisions* in pronunciation is relatively low between accents. 23:35:10 It's just that each accent recognises a different set of phonemes... 23:35:55 Heck, it'd be somewhat annoying just accounting for rhotic vs. nonrhotic accents. 23:36:25 I just imagined a Britain where Geordie is enforced by law. 23:36:27 I am lolling. 23:36:27 Even then. Collisions aren't all that common, and you can solve them generally by splitting them and merging it in accents that do so. 23:36:32 IMAGINE THE QUEEN SPEAKING GEORDIE PH 23:36:43 -!- elliott has left ("Leaving"). 23:36:47 -!- elliott has joined. 23:36:50 ARE YOU IMAGINING 23:37:02 NO BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT GEORDIE SOUNDS LIKE 23:37:49 UM 23:37:49 SILLY 23:37:56 AND TERRIBLE 23:37:57 DOES THAT HELP 23:37:59 Windows Media Player is my new .wav player 23:38:04 Because VLC currently sucks 23:38:08 /ignore 23:38:43 (Well, not "sucks", but has one particular currently unbearable bug. Fixed in 1.2. 1.2 is not available to download as far as I can tell) 23:42:17 pikhq: Is it just me, or is there no way to specify PATH in tup? 23:45:11 elliott: Well, it is passing the build commands to /bin/sh... 23:45:21 pikhq: Well yes but I mean globally. 23:45:41 Doesn't seem to be any way of specifying environment variables globally in tup. 23:45:50 that's a shame 23:45:54 I may have to resort to PURE SHELL SCRIPTS 23:46:42 *wince* 23:47:04 pikhq: windows ce? 23:47:47 olsner: No. 23:49:33 All of my plans in D&D game are those that the dungeon master fails to understand but it works anyways 23:49:41 (Sometimes even I fail to understand, too) 23:50:19 So anyway I was looking in my fridge today and I found a shot of flu vaccine lying behind the vinaigrette. 23:51:02 Did you put that in the fridge? 23:51:10 Tasty tasty flu vaccine. 23:59:01 Hmmm, chicken fnarfs so good. 23:59:36 X-D 23:59:41 Perhaps it does. 23:59:44 It certainly TASTES good.