< 1303689622 693823 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303690130 253297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303690313 721724 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1303691828 310736 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU NICK :tswett_56 < 1303691839 372049 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today, I learned my rank. It's 56. < 1303691924 432359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rank in what? < 1303691934 993468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo_346126 < 1303691949 848800 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Activeworlds citizen number is 346126 < 1303692008 397297 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My rank in #jbopre, according to djanatyn. < 1303692035 433577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth is that thing. < 1303692043 615113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something Lojban-related, presumably. < 1303692048 463674 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1303692050 219901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jbopre = lobjo prenu < 1303692053 930259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "lojbanist", it seems. < 1303692054 134897 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric := lojban dude < 1303692054 473362 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry. I hate Lojban. < 1303692057 73298 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esperanto is far better. < 1303692065 998358 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lojbo < 1303692077 303819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: paste reactions plz < 1303692078 201599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esperanto is just spanish with a diarrhea < 1303692086 325901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote esperanto is just spanish with a diarrhea < 1303692090 633361 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :380) esperanto is just spanish with a diarrhea < 1303692107 640581 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer: i don't actually know what esperato is like < 1303692109 458774 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo puedo diarrhea hablar en diarrhea esperanto. < 1303692126 78351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can diarrhea speak in diarrhea esperanto? < 1303692127 306525 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lo estoy haciendo correctamente? < 1303692129 278462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE THERE BEEN REACTIONS < 1303692148 235060 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is being done correctly < 1303692156 803450 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1303692162 173155 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excelente. Gracias por tu ayuda. < 1303692168 803007 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y tu marque de pregunta. < 1303692174 682743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent, thank you my sweetheart < 1303692183 94803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you mark the question < 1303692185 742857 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303692202 120242 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ayuda something to do with listening < 1303692214 789585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be < 1303692216 749348 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be "Y tú marques la pregunta". < 1303692220 269171 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ayuda" is "help". < 1303692223 438608 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303692229 957912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"auta" in finnish < 1303692230 657505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303692248 706078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRAZY STUFF < 1303692268 335947 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y ahora puedo usar acentos. Vóy á ponérlos pór tóda párte. < 1303692305 211388 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, about that Finnish. < 1303692307 660845 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i can use accents. i'm going to go to every party. < 1303692314 606948 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're pregnant on the mark < 1303692344 655415 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voy a asistir a cada fiesta. Y eres embarazado en el marque. < 1303692351 677041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually even understood the word pregunta in spanish speech today < 1303692355 527108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :small world < 1303692363 58883 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that in Spanish, "atender" is "to assist" and "asistir" is "to attend". < 1303692374 455059 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense, if you think about it. < 1303692393 354188 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to assist in the creation of an awesome party. and you are so embarrassed in the marks! < 1303692428 470743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: comments < 1303692429 310483 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:43:59] Hi, elliott. Bye, elliott. < 1303692429 499962 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:44:10] Meet elliott, whose rank is, like, 81 or something. < 1303692429 500148 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:46:18] yeah elliott is a famous bisexual < 1303692437 583000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my rank is one < 1303692438 303203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitch < 1303692438 652984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie < 1303692440 392805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1303692444 469475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An important < 1303692446 49675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't disturb the translator < 1303692447 89345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. < 1303692454 958805 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voy a atender a la creación de una fiesta excelente. ¡Y tú tienes tantas vergüenzas en las marques! < 1303692461 3676 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, your rank is 2 at the highest. < 1303692469 966257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY RANK IS ZERO < 1303692478 406441 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1303692479 765209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56, yes, everyone knows my rank is -infinity. < 1303692496 576924 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :From now on, whenever possible, I shall write every word in suomi. < 1303692502 584470 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can tell, I don't know very many suomen words. < 1303692507 63645 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, tu ranco es en las maximos dos! < 1303692521 426075 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :las maximos < 1303692536 37725 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tu ranco es dos a lo máximo, I think. < 1303692544 406783 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303692548 363264 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, ranco? < 1303692552 659673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie < 1303692555 689522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please < 1303692557 216800 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. That might not mean "rank" like that. < 1303692564 898891 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :al? < 1303692574 650182 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go. "Word" is "sana", so... < 1303692579 285746 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suomen sanat or something. < 1303692585 466833 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :suomen sanat = finnish words < 1303692586 783026 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: "al" in Spanish is a contraction for "a el". < 1303692587 618319 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suomen insanat < 1303692593 306588 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent! < 1303692608 907233 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if I can just learn the rest of Finnish. < 1303692610 726476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :al hambra < 1303692620 573820 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the rest suomen. :P < 1303692628 343766 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :suomen rest < 1303692635 327595 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The suomen rest, then. < 1303692639 132729 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303692665 870392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot to translate "the" into the correct "" < 1303692671 902892 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd actually say loput suomen kielestä, "the ends from finland's language" < 1303692693 348348 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's "the rest", I figure. < 1303692704 347056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :loput? certainly < 1303692715 771319 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1303692722 320936 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit loopy < 1303692722 845657 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meant the because you have rest < 1303692739 366940 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to opetella loput suomen kielestä, or summat. < 1303692754 742215 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303692774 990521 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does suomi decline? < 1303692775 952829 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me about a norwegian joke about how the french pronounce "høst" (norw. for autumn) < 1303692776 730928 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mun pitää < 1303692789 260837 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pitää. Is that a partitive noun? < 1303692794 779172 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eust? < 1303692798 328421 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's have to < 1303692803 761286 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1303692808 659441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is silent, st is silent at the end of words, and ø doesn't exist, so: "" < 1303692816 107033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you use "my" with it < 1303692841 558159 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's ts that's silent at the end of words < 1303692852 404384 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what's the genitive of minä? < 1303692855 634523 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not st? < 1303692863 435691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :minun, mun, meikän, meitsin, meikäläisen, miun, mu < 1303692868 415354 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1303692872 508848 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too many. < 1303692879 418938 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all seriousness you write minun, usually say mun < 1303692880 42112 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a french word ending in st < 1303692881 313134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess it's not silent in ouest < 1303692889 786782 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1303692891 284938 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or proust < 1303692894 743361 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it turns out your ranking is 82.5. < 1303692898 591680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS INFINITY. < 1303692911 181988 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minun pitää opetella loput suomen kielestä, then? < 1303692917 490187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: yes < 1303692927 28932 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: it's silent in "est", though :D < 1303692937 299267 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: some dialects might say "oues" but it's variable < 1303692939 866482 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erinomainen. < 1303692942 298940 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sta < 1303692944 388478 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has much erinoma. < 1303692953 925404 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you mean to be instead of east yeah :D < 1303692977 633341 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to learn how to conjugate some common stuff. < 1303692992 521879 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly < 1303692999 810868 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minä on... is it on? There was some nice and simple way to conjugate this stuff. < 1303693009 560510 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :minä olen < 1303693030 39561 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The negation verb is conjugated ei, et, en in the singular present, right? < 1303693033 258859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olla => olen olet on olemme olette ovat < 1303693051 217278 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then if I can remember that one word... < 1303693061 945898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :en, et, ei, emme, ette, eivät < 1303693068 506819 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koira, that's it. < 1303693073 235037 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minä olen koira. < 1303693081 724436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :niin olet < 1303693085 187412 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1303693098 583429 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have to come up with a new morphological type for my conlang :( < 1303693126 730793 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinä olet koira? < 1303693131 700575 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :minä en ole koira. < 1303693152 360770 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott on koira. < 1303693158 487360 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to group a lot of inflections together into a single syllable < 1303693159 919964 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I should learn the connegatives, I guess. < 1303693162 289298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: Your mom. < 1303693167 766905 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if any real language does that < 1303693181 547413 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oletko sinä koira" is how you ask if i'm a dog, "sinä olet koira?" works just like "you are a dog?" works in english toh < 1303693182 385538 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "mom" in Finnish, then? < 1303693182 865873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tho < 1303693191 674952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: äiti < 1303693196 814803 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: um any indoeuropean languages with intact case systems? < 1303693209 353633 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Midun äiti estas... drat, I went into Esperanto. < 1303693215 784534 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Midun äiti on koira. < 1303693236 863898 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :case, number and gender usually give just one syllable combined < 1303693246 996772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: lol < 1303693253 491543 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even oerjan can correct that sentence < 1303693267 468635 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eh, yeah, that's not quite false < 1303693271 288245 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, the connegatives here are all the same. < 1303693291 810301 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minä ei ole koira. Sinä et ole koira. elliott en ole koira. < 1303693295 342685 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: well not one syllable in all combinations < 1303693298 565937 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would you please? :P < 1303693300 137241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T RESPOND TO PUNGS IN THIS CHANEL < 1303693300 475877 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: you have those backwards < 1303693306 924691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :en, et, ei < 1303693320 643135 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda want to combine verb subject/object/transitivity/copula/benefactive/locative, roll them together into one verbal prefix < 1303693323 153430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: erm what you don't believe oklopol do you? < 1303693344 472162 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course I do. He outranks you. < 1303693356 40157 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you saying en is first-person and ei is third-? < 1303693362 98002 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Yes. < 1303693367 439906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's minun < 1303693378 249287 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: well you have a problem with information density, you could of course have a lot of phonemes to help... < 1303693381 794302 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my mom is minun äitini or mun äiti < 1303693390 383635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mun äitini < 1303693405 297650 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minä en ole koira. elliott ei ole koira. Minun äitini on koira. < 1303693411 297759 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah was thinking of having lots of vowels and some tones but simple syllable structure < 1303693412 985990 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aivan oikein < 1303693415 14454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't respond to pugs in this coco chanel < 1303693426 313043 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, at least 14 vowels (if you count nasals) < 1303693447 900024 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, -ni is that possessive suffix thing. < 1303693465 811545 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just sai "äitini on koira"? < 1303693469 987484 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i/y/ < 1303693476 123584 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be able to get a few thousand syllables < 1303693486 282439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: yes < 1303693493 76541 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I need some more nouns, I think. < 1303693498 329649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly wouldn't say that in speech tho < 1303693509 319478 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd say mun äiti on koira < 1303693509 511407 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minä olen kuva. < 1303693515 986541 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real problem is not information density (with syllables that huge), it's coming up with a morphology that doesn't blow up < 1303693517 153564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mä oon kuva < 1303693549 15210 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish either has a perfect speech-writing correspondence or the worst one imaginable. < 1303693549 785865 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syllables are huge and not particularly flexible so it's really hard to do lots of affixation like agglutinative language < 1303693572 519827 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sinä olet kuva. < 1303693588 458377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather perfect, or at least consistent < 1303693597 849606 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afaik most real languages with this kind of phonologic systems (huge syllables but simple syllable structure) are ultra isolating < 1303693627 189684 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I want affixes I absolutely have to roll them together into simple syllablees < 1303693631 588048 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How do you pronounce 'olen'?" "Oh, that's pronounced 'oon'." "How about 'minä'?" "That's 'mä'." < 1303693654 877936 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you pronounce "olen" as "olen" < 1303693662 764475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you pronounce "minä" as "minä" < 1303693671 73198 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it "mineh"? < 1303693678 686465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: you know 14 vowels is fewer than what swedish and norwegian has if you include length. but neither has much heaping on of inflections. < 1303693683 355816 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ä is the vowel in bad < 1303693706 61051 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but those languages have flexible syllable structure < 1303693717 458056 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for other verbs. < 1303693729 650740 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syödä! < 1303693731 189835 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes. < 1303693737 581011 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also they cheat (they combine with length) < 1303693737 970837 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuva syö koiran < 1303693740 811346 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1303693757 788806 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The picture eats the dog. < 1303693760 955244 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuvalla on koiran syömisestä huonoja kokemuksia < 1303693771 539899 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LENGTH IS A RESPECTABLE QUALITY < 1303693781 523874 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is dog something something something? < 1303693785 573006 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I might put in length too, I'm not sure < 1303693792 962528 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how it interplays with tone < 1303693796 556039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huonoja kokemuksi a= bad experiences < 1303693801 935436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1303693806 641209 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ä. < 1303693820 62481 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picture is dog something bad experiences? < 1303693830 700118 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "koiran" the accusative or the genitive here? < 1303693863 346682 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a huge chance I go with something like /a e i o u @ M/ then add probably at least /2 y/, maybe /E O/, maybe-perhaps more < 1303693865 912398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the picture has bad experiences on eating dogs < 1303693870 929084 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus nasal versions of like every vowel < 1303693874 857223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: also they have pitch accents :) < 1303693883 355969 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"on" < 1303693885 76096 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1303693887 958280 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, kuvalla must be... is that another genitive? < 1303693899 715207 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's adessive < 1303693907 312697 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha yeah, it's like lots of falling tones everywhere :D < 1303693908 965619 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here it's with "on" < 1303693913 186063 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuvalla on = kuva has < 1303693927 73359 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adessive... does that generally mean "at"? < 1303693940 230895 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or other stuff < 1303693945 871391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on top of < 1303693957 308517 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1303693972 869868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1303693986 58246 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then syömisestä is some eating thing.. < 1303694026 64148 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :syömi looks like some weird umlauted version of suomi... < 1303694029 585927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :syöminen = eating < 1303694043 143353 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well y = ü < 1303694049 420065 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like some weird umlauted version of "suominen". < 1303694055 412977 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck is a "suominen", anyway? < 1303694062 970433 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :A miniature Finland? < 1303694077 738062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303694090 177211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you know that's a diminutive suffix < 1303694108 577116 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that Finns' surnames mean stuff, so I looked them up. < 1303694115 284774 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if you know less used diminutive suffices < 1303694116 26365 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that most of them describe places and end in either la or nen. < 1303694130 793633 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about three suffixes. :P < 1303694231 306992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303694253 744075 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :subject/object/transitivity/copula/benefactive gives around ~70 combinations < 1303694296 770843 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, where were we... < 1303694297 740003 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I separate animate/inanimate gender more then the combinations go up a bit < 1303694298 367458 :atrapado!~rod@95.169.252.0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303694311 837932 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I include locative then the combinations double < 1303694336 12590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arithmetic sucks < 1303694343 636045 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kuvalla on koiran syömisestä huonoja kokemuksia". And "syöminen" is eating, so... I guess that's then declined. < 1303694404 279610 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, stä = from < 1303694407 935665 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the... elative? < 1303694423 271949 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the picture is of a dog from eating . . . < 1303694429 21700 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is that? < 1303694436 700362 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns sure do milk these declensions for all they're worth, don't they. :P < 1303694439 556456 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Finnish. < 1303694444 711475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :readtables < 1303694445 450388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friends < 1303694447 293434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is up with thems < 1303694447 779381 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia: finnlandificatish < 1303694453 498933 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1303694456 594954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnlandificatish. the best language < 1303694458 706483 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fennic. < 1303694472 127174 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language of fennecs? < 1303694501 394966 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: stop reading my mind < 1303694508 840856 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it looks like "huonoja" is the partitive plural, and so is "kokemus", so you've got "bad experience" in the partitive plural. < 1303694509 234294 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1303694528 334761 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone likes foxes < 1303694540 180509 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess the partitive is what makes it "has had" or whatever instead of "is having" or "had at some point" or something. < 1303694566 409215 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :How am I supposed to understand that. :| < 1303694583 874171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" In the... elative?" yes < 1303694612 635445 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds more complicated than Japanese! < 1303694613 462713 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( < 1303694633 440829 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia: at least they tell you who is doing what < 1303694644 136386 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese is like < 1303694644 702870 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hauamaisapostuandastandat, äi? < 1303694663 7625 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :helposti < 1303694677 829685 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[where] [when] [verb] [how the talker feels about it] [degree of politeness] < 1303694696 660375 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, O's tea? < 1303694697 228121 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice the absence of subject or object < 1303694722 445259 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: from "helppo" < 1303694728 352629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1303694731 323992 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1303694750 782547 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, on to more difficult stuff. < 1303694751 712932 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia: Case languages are crazy anyways < 1303694789 592113 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at that giant word. < 1303694790 169787 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :D= < 1303694802 98205 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish for "okay, on to more difficult stuff" is "vaikealle", right? < 1303694813 87139 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: don't worry, "hauamaisapostuandastandat" isn't a real word. < 1303694826 906527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: no, you can't really say that < 1303694835 712714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hauamaisapostuandastandat is english < 1303694836 232782 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :høyesterettsjustitiarius < 1303694852 390951 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yhdeksänkymmentäkahdeksan" is a real Finnish word, though. < 1303694866 240214 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yhdeksänkymmentäkahdeksan" is the Finnish for what, in Lojban, is "li sobi". < 1303694882 762965 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :loljban < 1303694883 184920 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhdeksällekymmenellekahdeksallekohan < 1303694889 413308 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that Lojban is being slightly verbose. The base form is just "sobi"; "li" turns it into a DP. < 1303694903 517113 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the english translation < 1303694910 434285 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ninety-eight". < 1303694936 238999 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what does that mean? "I wonder if I should run around a bit"? < 1303694936 674819 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303694960 5069 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quatre-vingt-dix-huit < 1303694969 153371 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: it's the "-lle" plus "-kohan" of 98¨ < 1303694973 70539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*98 < 1303694990 739768 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My. < 1303695004 731609 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks she will stick with learning Japanese.... < 1303695009 770777 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shopata. < 1303695016 309745 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese is hard too < 1303695024 248530 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :joo lähetää shoppaileen < 1303695029 828779 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaikea. < 1303695056 4414 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't mean lähettää, do you? < 1303695064 320955 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vaikeaa < 1303695070 864916 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lähetää = lähdetään < 1303695073 942141 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese is like the hard part of chinese (kanji) + the hard part of turkic/mongolian (agglutinative, everything is in reverse order) < 1303695079 294185 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, you use the partitive when yelling out adjectives. < 1303695087 602247 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1303695094 931565 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1303695099 939546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbs don't have partitives < 1303695112 131808 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :But vaikea is an adjective, isn't it? < 1303695119 610143 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry yeah aosidjfoierg < 1303695128 809044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are certainly correct < 1303695134 627436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use the partitive when yelling out adjectives < 1303695153 347278 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erinomainen_PART. :P < 1303695163 134483 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any esoteric system that would be good for making music with? < 1303695167 396365 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1303695167 914039 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erinomaista. That declension sure makes sense. < 1303695171 664189 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :generating audio < 1303695180 266066 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihan vitun erinomaista < 1303695183 110962 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Proce! < 1303695208 980333 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Gregor was making something... don't know how esoteric it was < 1303695229 350958 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vitun, vitun, vitun. < 1303695242 999206 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vittu. Tuvin. < 1303695256 336073 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tupa. Minä olen tupa. < 1303695268 425168 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm < 1303695273 838274 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minä olen tuvassa. < 1303695286 915003 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made nothing /esoteric/ in that area. < 1303695298 972966 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I might just design an esoteric sound chip and write a VST emulating it < 1303695302 724469 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1303695322 821917 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music esolangs i know about go _from_ music to program < 1303695334 221627 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minä olen tuvassa koirin. < 1303695355 796917 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :koirin means by using dogs < 1303695363 558519 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it does. < 1303695366 446221 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly used for transportation < 1303695378 965854 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but there's a perfectly good koirineni < 1303695402 306406 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that one? < 1303695407 903817 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my dogs < 1303695440 842158 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that koiri -ne -ni? < 1303695441 510156 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right now in the music world, there's a problem of synths being too similar to each other < 1303695448 589422 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too many subtractive synths < 1303695449 389937 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more like possessing my dogs < 1303695452 892222 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(filter based) < 1303695459 518863 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: yes, koir -ine -ni < 1303695489 961510 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mina omistan koirani. < 1303695498 607595 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, ä. < 1303695515 84429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :omistathan sinä < 1303695524 655476 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they could really use some more original synths < 1303695540 958718 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's definitely something to do on that angle < 1303695551 290779 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1303695678 209521 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but trying to design a soundchip is hard :D < 1303695705 808435 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kuva... limsa. Koira kivi turri, turrin auto. < 1303695758 202674 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minä en ole koira. Minä olen turri. elliott ei ole kivi. elliott on auto. < 1303695759 672679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :autotuunin < 1303695773 706450 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :limsan kuva on koiralle liian vaikea < 1303695782 471757 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei se ymmärrä sitä :( < 1303695797 203905 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ototUwn/ < 1303695892 344433 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The soda-pop's picture is onto the dog too difficult... I have no idea what that deciphers to. < 1303695906 420210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for the dog < 1303695926 108351 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1303695926 808843 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too hard for the dog? < 1303695927 770549 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't decipher, finns really speak mostly in meaningless sentences < 1303695937 648880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303695937 838365 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I'll fit right in. < 1303695941 766298 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limsa limsa limsa limsa limsa. < 1303695943 259977 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lots of umlauts :D < 1303695953 498222 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303695957 498830 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limsat kuvaan ei ole minä kuskasati. < 1303695968 484456 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mikä on kuskasati? < 1303695985 946101 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :äännäännen minä oonnoonnen < 1303695996 347754 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :En tiedä. < 1303696010 744453 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounds Finnish. < 1303696018 520088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly does < 1303696049 467518 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almamaksilet. Äydäälisy. < 1303696064 746613 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those not so much < 1303696074 988863 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they're not as good. < 1303696101 901345 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alma mater < 1303696143 229727 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almamateri. < 1303696186 146214 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303696341 114170 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303696666 544121 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With wcc (16-bit) in the huge memory model, sizeof(size_t) != sizeof(void *). < 1303696674 423305 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolfail, Watcom. < 1303696723 259190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the com that makes you wat < 1303696745 438187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wat that makes you com < 1303696946 287491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's perfectly admissable isn't it < 1303696952 433724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean sixteen bit is fucked up < 1303696972 857804 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's KINDA true, but I mean, come on sizeof(size_t) != sizeof(void *) >_< < 1303696980 374073 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point of size_t is it's the size of a pointer :P < 1303696984 830575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not :P < 1303696991 136006 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, it's "word size" < 1303696993 863644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1303697000 492201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can hold the size of any object. That's all. < 1303697036 702374 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh I say. < 1303697038 11919 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. < 1303697055 180394 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate C. I hate it with love. < 1303697056 542604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the guy who doesn't know the difference tween (void) and () ;DDD < 1303697065 244474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MAY BE ABLE TO CODE < 1303697068 901739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO OUT-PEDANT ME < 1303697079 48615 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could modify wcc to pretend like it's a 32-bit platform :P < 1303697092 509326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so Gregor enters the land of Reasonable and Sane Ideas. < 1303697105 986291 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make ints and size_ts 32 bits, just never admit that there's a segment register goin' on here :P < 1303697133 374130 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering after semi-accidentally realizing that GGGGC actually works on 16-bit. < 1303697217 460759 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303697220 429557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It ... shouldn't. < 1303697223 84622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you break it, please? < 1303697227 466413 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1303697245 792861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does GMP even compile with sixteen-bit OpenWatcom. < 1303697247 652127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is GGGGC? < 1303697248 628475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even comprehend that. < 1303697255 645139 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't try :P < 1303697257 582542 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My GC. < 1303697261 507727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Gregor's Gregarious General Gorging Garbage Crap. < 1303697293 229914 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gregarious will now be my new adjective when I advance to GGGGGC. < 1303697299 907468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please never advance thuswise. < 1303697313 428294 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Y'know that's how I got to GGGGC, right? :P < 1303697315 669422 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :G^omegaC < 1303697316 338306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you compact it to just GGC next time? :P < 1303697324 138045 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NEVER < 1303697339 558552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I liked the API a lot more when I thought GGC_ was stuff left over from the original GGC. < 1303697345 810095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you kept source-compatibility each time in that manner. < 1303697360 324687 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even keep source compatibility a little bit :P < 1303697371 884359 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of G's just indicates the publicness of the function X-D < 1303697381 35444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even worse, to be honest :P < 1303697390 572110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last G will stand for Global, i take < 1303697402 271451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, Galactic < 1303697412 186503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghastly < 1303697415 59710 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: None of the G's stand for either of those :P < 1303697426 893961 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i mean the last one you eventually add < 1303697441 289384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so super-linear it isn't even funny < 1303697441 478343 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1303697461 5632 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually GGGGC is shaping out to be the lastish, at least for the time being. < 1303697472 964188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1303697473 153284 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GGC was a miserable failure, GGGC was tolerable but not fast. < 1303697489 136848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You just need to make it concurrent; GGGGCC. < 1303697499 482137 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TRUE! < 1303697509 169995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Eventually you'll compact all the acronyms down after getting tired of this shit, and it will become Gregor's Concurrent Collector. < 1303697514 944179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commonly known in programming circles as GCC. < 1303697528 809219 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1303697530 616166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, GCC will replace its GC dependency with the GCC GC. < 1303697538 718786 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1303697550 600122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the GCC GC will be GCC's GC. < 1303697560 422833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People will refer to "The GCC GC, GCC's GC". < 1303697561 927521 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hotspot GC is faster than GGGGC, but it's also not ~600 lines :P < 1303697580 455963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hotspot's GC just uses magic and unicorns. < 1303697590 895914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that might even matter if the rest of Java wasn't a steaming shitpile. < 1303697591 655875 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hotspot's GC is fucking terrifying >_> < 1303697612 378977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, the worst environment ever... with a GC from twenty years in the future. < 1303697629 691004 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 18 < 1303697639 706498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you _know_ the punishment for that. < 1303697678 786864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 18? < 1303697682 950365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he forgot a / < 1303697695 591623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should port my little recursive descent routines from zepto.py < 1303697698 601469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm still writing zepto.c < 1303697699 520760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows why < 1303697703 704699 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol, gmp on 16-bit is seriously the best worst idea ever X-D < 1303697716 838343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO SLOW < 1303697718 576749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um still no connection < 1303697722 343005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: irssi < 1303697729 76705 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1303697734 814997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Considering that gcc miscompiles gmp at the best of times, I very much doubt OpenWatcom will ever get it right ever :P < 1303697742 365181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although to be fair, gcc is a legendary piece of shit. < 1303697751 480382 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It worked fine 32-bit. < 1303697754 708455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1303697756 640004 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember I got Fythe for DOS. < 1303697762 622242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I'm trying not to think about that. < 1303697763 289204 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(32-bit) < 1303697765 788996 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1303697771 331983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want sixteen-bit Fythe :P < 1303697777 329173 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To make GMP not use its assembly routines (which was necessary for wcc386), you have to tell it --host=none-whatever. Pretty lols command line. < 1303697786 292322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1303697789 860585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever? < 1303697793 882734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me the whatever is really necessary. < 1303697797 136466 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :P < 1303697802 436690 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either pc-linux-gnu or pc-msdos or, y'know, whatever. < 1303697807 620447 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shit of legends < 1303697808 272653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should try an eight-bit compiler. < 1303697809 195659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For... < 1303697810 580947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMODORE FYTHE < 1303697816 34860 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesssssssssssssss < 1303697829 273153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading Plof system files from tape... < 1303697837 749207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing bignums... < 1303697844 86055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops look at that, the number three used up all your memory < 1303697845 963305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aborting < 1303697864 184044 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOAD "FYTHE",8,1 < 1303697874 322508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god yes < 1303698138 177022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw interior pointers are the besssssssst < 1303698153 506104 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just say "no" to interior pointers :P < 1303698161 984962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But they''re intoxicating. < 1303698165 578086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With two 's. < 1303698174 85860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : NIL = TAG(conssa(intern(strdup("NIL")), cons(NIL, NIL)), T_PAIR|T_SYMBOL); < 1303698178 308762 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303698181 358829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe: Interior pointers, holding this stack of cards together. < 1303698216 629822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"conssa" meaning "cons, but allocate the pair so that [and]pair->cdr is aligned with 0s, not necessarily the car; and return the pointer to the cdr". < 1303698225 619256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is used for NIL'S SUPREME OVERLAPPINGNESS :D < 1303698268 834870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is in awe. < 1303698285 678165 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very zepto < 1303698298 899856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has it right. < 1303698308 67171 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, how miserably slow is your GC? :P < 1303698328 30785 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders making an r5rs thingy in Picolisp < 1303698329 295567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1303698330 759275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obj alloc() { < 1303698330 948415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (TAGOF(poolptr)) poolptr++; < 1303698330 948504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : obj ret = (obj)poolptr; < 1303698330 948547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : poolptr += 2; < 1303698330 948589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return ret; < 1303698332 258457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1303698336 31093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obj allocsa() { < 1303698338 327434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (TAGOF(poolptr+1)) poolptr++; < 1303698340 253823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : obj ret = (obj)poolptr; < 1303698342 252903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : poolptr += 2; < 1303698344 252584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return ret; < 1303698346 168899 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is an allocator. How fast is your GC? < 1303698346 417504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1303698348 298042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's so fast. Conservative, mind you. < 1303698350 396384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fast. < 1303698352 247850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That loop never even RUNS on sixty-four bit architectuers. < 1303698353 918988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :architectures. < 1303698356 243679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That _is_ my GC [eight]D < 1303698359 358225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I have none. < 1303698369 999870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But my GC /will/ be the Zepto Bargain Basement Copying Collector. < 1303698374 466961 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly isn't sure that just going inside a function and lexifying all the dynamic variables is possible < 1303698379 456781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: As soon as I figure out how that does not involve rewriting pointers in running code. < 1303698395 474990 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would one distinguish a lambda from a list? oh, duh, r5rs requires the keyword < 1303698395 669122 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with that? >: ) < 1303698400 910796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I get the feeling that C code requires Infrastructure to use a copying GC. < 1303698406 476089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's possible to do it without such rewriting? :P < 1303698428 812446 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hence all the GGC_PUSH nonsense. < 1303698435 30559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaah >_> < 1303698451 775587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It would be better if I just used details of the architecture to rewrite it without any infrastructure [eight]D < 1303698465 579197 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[eight]D is perhaps the worst smiley ever. < 1303698474 287816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]best < 1303698584 823930 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O[underline]o < 1303698593 121119 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[hello]D < 1303698598 685183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[hi] < 1303698600 156802 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have actually considered whether I could make a superwtf series of macros for types on the stack. Conclusion: No. < 1303698623 622836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Huh? < 1303698636 873760 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For GGGGC to not need GGC_PUSH < 1303698644 549512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking :P < 1303698655 113716 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "Huh?" isn't much of a joke :P < 1303698666 526960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: It would be better if I just used details of the architecture to rewrite it without any infrastructure [eight]D < 1303698668 292445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that < 1303698677 270286 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I got that that was a joke :P < 1303698687 522819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1303698688 780240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do < 1303698690 44367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1303698691 11026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :double < 1303698691 906057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copying < 1303698693 65980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocator < 1303698699 477027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :collector < 1303698702 570167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1303698703 217271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbage < 1303698705 75754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1303698719 246579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i do the standard copying collector shit, right, except i make sure to preserve the order of objects < 1303698719 436734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, have you considered using handles, as per classic Mac OS? < 1303698722 784842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just leave gigantic holes in thingy < 1303698723 323614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1303698723 738688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1303698724 186076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1303698726 946241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1303698729 83220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i do is < 1303698731 457024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realloc the original space < 1303698733 287523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy every object back < 1303698737 395456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then keep using a linear collector < 1303698739 898897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers stay the same < 1303698741 632914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's happy < 1303698767 983613 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it fast < 1303698773 498045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a funny joke < 1303698775 662018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see the joke < 1303698785 298204 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhere in there < 1303698787 283836 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And now your allocator is nontrivial. < 1303698792 954391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope still linear as usual < 1303698796 65545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor knows the joke < 1303698797 937821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us the joke Gregor < 1303698809 877851 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: One strategy that apparently works for reasons I don't understand (haven't investigated) is making sure your old pointers are strictly invalid, then catching page faults and rewriting the access that way. The reason I don't understand if this works is as far as I know you can never know that a whole region is unreferenced, so essentially you just take up all your VIRTUAL memory without taking REAL memory. < 1303698812 410007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that collector is one gigantic nop < 1303698812 918595 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either you keep track of free space or you love heap corruption. < 1303698821 866009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are all too stupid to get this < 1303698824 707707 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good joke < 1303698826 162804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda pathetic :DDDD < 1303698833 737060 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was afraid it was actually doing something < 1303698842 183465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, I was the one who linked you to the article on that :P < 1303698845 505538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By article I mean blog post. < 1303698851 375306 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Memory: I don't have it. < 1303698851 576021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP BRO < 1303698860 277557 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop as a garbage collector would be pretty fast < 1303698865 364856 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, on 64-bit architectures you have exabytes of virtual memory. < 1303698868 218187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's what i currently have < 1303698887 482225 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Even the rewriting page maps would be enormous :) < 1303698908 303085 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And you could use gigabyte pages. :P < 1303698986 234385 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, x86_64 supports gigabyte pages) < 1303699014 630784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom < 1303699015 538367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a page < 1303699198 215880 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll page your mom < 1303699296 528223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks < 1303699311 435461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what for? < 1303699322 449063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: being online so i could tab-complete your name to paste into this email < 1303699325 500104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very thoughtful < 1303699327 275874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1303699410 946982 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your 523 key missing < 1303699417 105657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303699420 266683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst key to lose < 1303700008 930746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1303700010 339663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :segmentation faults < 1303700011 788144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love those things < 1303700022 802180 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are segfaults zepto < 1303700028 245233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303700041 3172 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should take notes < 1303700047 67010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fool < 1303700050 339992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can never be zepto < 1303700052 499137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only i am zepto < 1303700058 311736 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it that you don't check for NULL from malloc, for being insufficiently zepto? < 1303700068 368542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i don't use malloc. < 1303700070 320604 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, on a standard Linux system malloc cannot return NULL) < 1303700132 124503 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reasons only comprehensible to a select, crazy few, Linux prefers to kill processes in an OOM situation. < 1303700198 911952 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Though* it's not like that changes too much in practice, due to the common handling of OOM being "if(!(foo=malloc(bar)))exit(1);"... < 1303700275 233814 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(!(foo=malloc(bar))){fprintf(stderr, "oh no\n");exit(1);} < 1303700330 807664 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And OOM killer kills will at least be in the kernel log. < 1303700357 290959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. < 1303700357 490180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0000000000400c6a in intern (s=0x613060 "x") at zepto.c:102 < 1303700357 679758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :102 if (!strcmp((char *) DEREF(record).car, s)) { < 1303700359 752754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet i broke something lol < 1303700373 264718 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, difference between zepto and pico? < 1303700380 733871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_346126: zepto has all the bitches. < 1303700384 23831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the blackjack. < 1303700385 162780 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zepto is zepto < 1303700388 152667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1303700403 821213 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for newLISP, zepto might not exist. < 1303700411 350091 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why does your currency become weak only when I'm going to work in the USA? < 1303700411 912551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly < 1303700412 102076 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks newlisp < 1303700413 780852 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zepto is also un-otpez. < 1303700420 287670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does newlisp have to do with this < 1303700429 628696 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Because WE HATE DIRTY EUROPEANS < 1303700431 776160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: because working is for chumps, hth < 1303700445 397268 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned newlisp, causing elliott to redirect me to picolisp, causing him to regain interest in picolisp, causing zepto < 1303700452 327606 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not European < 1303700453 496745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't regain interst i just < 1303700455 247236 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Canadian < 1303700455 935347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :focused my visage on it < 1303700457 527752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could fuck it < 1303700458 430782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with zepto < 1303700459 396580 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your government trusts me < 1303700461 574803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZEPT FUCKING O < 1303700463 186445 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a piece of paper that says so < 1303700465 962450 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh, that's even worse. < 1303700476 942906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why the fuck would they trust you, you suck ass < 1303700478 505010 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: We hate ALL THAT IS UP NORTH < 1303700485 784436 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about south < 1303700488 376024 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The only thing we hate more is our own economy! < 1303700498 904402 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: AND ALL THAT IS UP SOUTH < 1303700502 762348 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: AND EAST AND WEST < 1303700517 131517 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to pour antiwater into the oceans < 1303700528 1583 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck have fun < 1303700535 150498 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only things we like are bad foreign policy, bad domestic policy, and bad food! < 1303700544 889297 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm bad food < 1303700550 493910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so... bad. < 1303700560 397620 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, and artificial food-like substances. < 1303700566 587508 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, that's probably our favorite thing. < 1303700569 876992 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have a piece of paper saying that they trust me to enter their country without bringing anything illegal in < 1303700571 657032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slips ice 9 into Sgeo_346126's antiwater < 1303700584 532560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well ass isn't illegal. < 1303700595 343170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucking it might be though < 1303700682 817492 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sodomy laws got struck down by the Supreme Court a few years back. < 1303700697 265705 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially any sexual action between consenting individuals is legal. < 1303700701 268604 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including sucking ass. < 1303700717 963818 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303700764 249528 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: exception. If you are in the US military, it must be between consenting individuals *of opposite gender*. The DADT repeal has yet to go into effect.) < 1303700764 771070 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolling is however strictly forbidden < 1303700806 266120 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: between consenting adult individuals < 1303700815 56186 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can I still do all sorts of horrifying immoral acts to a consenting person of the opposite gender? < 1303700819 939478 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I'm in the military) < 1303700834 653760 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: "Consent" implies that the individuals involved are capable of giving consent. < 1303700837 984087 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause I'm into that < 1303700852 912966 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh... Canadian criminal code is so outdated < 1303700858 751795 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Children are not capable of such, according to the law. < 1303700901 251608 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Yes, you can have uberkinky slave bondage torture sex to your heart's content. < 1303700906 935851 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay < 1303700925 195965 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've coined a new term that combines santorum with blood and saliva < 1303700936 595314 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I won't tell you the name as you might reth < 1303700937 575639 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ricksantorum? < 1303700938 173302 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :retch < 1303700951 520199 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you coined this term out of necessity? < 1303700958 755966 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :why else? < 1303700965 266953 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to call it something < 1303700972 261876 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In Canada, according to the laws on the books, you can do anything you'd like except a) bestiality b) anal sex if there's anyone else around (including a third participant) < 1303700973 536847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do? < 1303700977 591411 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not kidding about b) < 1303700982 441069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what if you did < 1303700983 127494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOTH < 1303700983 720537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT < 1303700984 103922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE < 1303700984 639844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAME < 1303700985 136306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME < 1303701001 957461 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, that excludes my second favorite bro-fantastic activity < 1303701002 260468 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303701006 238757 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: How odd. < 1303701007 521726 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :chain o' five bros < 1303701029 529066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the bros is a dog) < 1303701032 836413 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're still saying "chain" and not "circle", you're not thinking far enough. < 1303701044 180357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chain? lol, i primarily work in spheres < 1303701045 975938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not hollow ones either < 1303701056 605072 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You need many a person to have a circle of anal sex. < 1303701061 193986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :platonic sex solids < 1303701063 56442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling across the land < 1303701066 583815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one gigantic mass of buttfuck < 1303701067 423940 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that comic < 1303701069 974231 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "no homo" one < 1303701072 735368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing what it wilt < 1303701077 527740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nation-state unto itself < 1303701120 691928 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, right, also, if either pariticpant is anal sex is under 18, it's only permitted between husband and wife (and not husband and husband). That one is pretty obviously stretched to include same-sex marriages though. < 1303701149 329005 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ... Why have a seperate age of consent for anal sex and any-other sex? < 1303701161 314915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://howhumanareyou.com/ < 1303701166 456162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect oerjan of being a robot < 1303701196 834908 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because our criminal code is criminally outdated < 1303701211 960901 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ours is, no doubt, worse. < 1303701220 41012 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the UK's takes the cake, I'm sure. < 1303701223 540683 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this section is probably unenforceable < 1303701233 81509 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with our gambling and prostitution laws < 1303701233 699431 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone not seen that comic and want to? < 1303701239 559139 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this test has many false dichotomies, elliott < 1303701239 748190 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I shouldn't post NSFW links in here < 1303701249 517835 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot imagine why < 1303701257 537955 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lollotsoporn.com/ < 1303701273 635752 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISAPPOINTED BY NONEXISTENCE < 1303701275 510850 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Feel free to post NSFW links. < 1303701282 525721 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Just specify "NSFW". < 1303701283 412443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THERE ARE MINORS HERE < 1303701283 601824 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it doesnt < 1303701286 307431 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're mostly adults here. < 1303701288 221946 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :[NSFW]http://wecravegames.com/forums/imagehosting/174beda9351600c.png%20and%20http://wecravegames.com/forums/imagehosting/174beda8e29cf33.png[/NSFW] < 1303701290 550901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo mostly < 1303701297 934202 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1303701300 943408 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made it all into a single link < 1303701303 580746 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on my side < 1303701309 83009 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps copumpkin for what copumpkin just realized he did < 1303701313 299288 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And minors know whether or not they give a fuck about the law. :P < 1303701315 302425 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: For that you are now banned from posting any links P < 1303701321 871533 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn! < 1303701327 981039 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In a surprisingly odd twist, our incest laws are very lenient < 1303701339 870066 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :two generations up or down only < 1303701345 220228 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and siblinbs < 1303701348 859186 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: phagia? < 1303701356 469533 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, not linking to the original source? < 1303701362 218221 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_346126: I was looking for it < 1303701363 368222 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*siblings < 1303701364 37676 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: So just to be clear from your previous statement, making anal porn is strictly illegal, yes? < 1303701364 226873 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't find it < 1303701370 87026 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes < 1303701374 546974 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NSFW) nsfw-comics.com < 1303701374 736330 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how about self-filmed < 1303701375 102996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_346126 VALUES ORIGINAL SOURCES IN HIS PORN < 1303701386 576177 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In the US, it depends on the state. < 1303701387 696502 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Touché sir! < 1303701388 87745 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_346126: doesn't work < 1303701390 745801 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1303701393 424659 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsfw-comix.com < 1303701396 675334 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now, having it, on the other hand < 1303701405 15006 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh excellent < 1303701407 105063 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, self-filmed might be ok < 1303701407 972096 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's a cute comic < 1303701412 683979 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all should read it < 1303701416 597689 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no homo) < 1303701418 973336 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "in private" < 1303701419 619455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i learned a new definition of the word cute < 1303701427 10562 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then explicitly says it's not in private if there's anyone else around < 1303701429 262251 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah brah < 1303701443 813900 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It is possible to be married and it be illegal to have sex in the US, quite trivially. < 1303701467 969133 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: marry a first cousin in a state where it's legal (most of them) and move to one where it's illegal. < 1303701476 778506 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you're a total homo, dont even pretend < 1303701488 407499 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: nah, I said "no homo" every time < 1303701491 387130 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's safe, right? < 1303701492 666845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its' broken i wonder whyi s roken < 1303701498 397212 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or get married to just about any relative in New Jersey; incest laws only apply to <18 there. < 1303701499 816191 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YOU ADMIT YOU'RE NOT HOMO SAPIENS?! < 1303701503 385850 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HES A ROBOT! < 1303701517 406207 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hah, really? < 1303701521 814254 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parse error. < 1303701543 905497 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, really. < 1303701551 331917 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found: "S"; Expected: "'" < 1303701556 651556 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, also, our incest laws, in a sudden outbreak of common sense, are defined only by blood relationships < 1303701584 209491 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1303701591 252910 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Japan has no incest laws at all. < 1303701593 78379 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comic is pretty true < 1303701599 387725 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were repealed in 1881. < 1303701626 409600 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-122.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marriage between parent-child or siblings is illegal. No further restrictions. < 1303701632 954663 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that they are laws based on blood relationships indicates that they aren't trying to solve the wrong problem < 1303701690 920519 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: :D < 1303706716 683167 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't happen to have a meaning other than coelacanth? < 1303706723 34052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also means "the" < 1303706733 833176 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I looked it up in bilingual and monolingual dictionaries. < 1303706792 467243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq can i have more badnwidth < 1303706799 577606 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The bilingual ones say "coelacanth". Monolingual ones describe it as a genera of fish that was once thought to have been extinct, and note that it's from English "coelacanth". < 1303706815 626002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_you're_ extinct < 1303706816 16024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303706818 868786 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, s/genera/genus/ < 1303706833 768687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like genera-lly extinct < 1303706839 347325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i think im just too genius? < 1303706840 403753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you know? < 1303706852 833320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i kinda snap out of it and go naw. < 1303706858 896362 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So, yeah. It is *definitely* referring to the fish. < 1303706870 931835 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's actually a loan word... < 1303706875 934898 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it is. < 1303706907 198581 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, most words for animals are loaned from one language or another in Japanese... < 1303706948 384847 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only a small handful of native ones. For, like, "dog", "cat", "cow", "horse"... < 1303706954 934292 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: haha your country is hilarious http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/state-dept-wants-to-make-it-harder-to-get-a-passport/ < 1303707027 645492 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey they need to prepare for when it gets so bad they need to keep people in... < 1303707033 207387 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh jesus fuck. I don't think I could actually fill out that questionnaire. < 1303707060 194855 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have moved something like 10 times already. < 1303707100 421493 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if that doesn't apply to renewals, then fuck yeah. < 1303707136 596035 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has already had 2 passports < 1303707145 837867 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The best part is the estimated 45 minutes to fill it out < 1303707159 415491 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Lies and deceit right there. < 1303707183 282807 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the Japanese naturalisation process is less involved. < 1303707195 203247 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they have a reputation of discouraging any and all immigration... < 1303707241 869175 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1303707317 452597 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*They ask for a list of appointments your mother had for pre or post-natal care*. < 1303707361 742329 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's utterly ridiculous < 1303707363 478667 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as a *list of people present at your birth*. < 1303707386 279867 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I know that < 1303707398 695952 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I don't know who my parents are? < 1303707456 618355 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also seem to give a fairly conservative amount of space for the list of employers and the list of residences... < 1303707474 779226 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1303707495 877459 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be almost out of space on the form. Already. < 1303707497 806950 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 21. < 1303707528 354281 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 employers... < 1303707544 367125 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I think I'm well over on schools. < 1303707601 498365 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed I am. < 1303707631 878008 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, I don't have to get a US passport < 1303707656 863450 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This form was undoubtedly designed by someone who has had a stultifyingly simple life. < 1303707689 770289 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :your typical lawyer won't be able to fill that form out entirely < 1303707758 751106 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, you would need more knowledge about your own life than most people would even imagine knowing. < 1303707824 518997 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a person with 100% perfect recall would quite likely be unable to complete that form < 1303707837 68506 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so? < 1303707859 65776 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell does someone, even with perfect recall, know where their mother lived a year before their birth? < 1303707868 703472 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1303707882 604184 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you know your mother never moved, that is going to be damned fucking difficult. < 1303707924 166763 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if she's dead or won't tell you < 1303707958 565650 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and imagine an 85 year old applying for a new passport. < 1303707982 337261 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the absolute best part of this < 1303708017 362016 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They already have the problem that they *probably don't have any documentation older than the social security card they got for their first job*... < 1303708020 827211 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that if this form gets approved, then people will be made less able to come to Canada, and they'll probably complain that Canada requires a passport for immigration < 1303708038 860233 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and guess whose fault that is < 1303708080 330717 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pez? < 1303708245 762812 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the fault of the USA's xenophobia < 1303708251 213134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303709357 76077 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is somewhat amused by the lack of *chimpanzee* ancestors... < 1303709395 752089 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's less evidence that chimpanzees evolved from monkeys than that humans did. :P < 1303709500 43745 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1303709508 72941 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you babbling about :P < 1303709580 537004 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Basically, the chimp fossil record kinda goes poof between the possible common ancestor of humans & chimps, and modern-day chimps. < 1303709969 962932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303711693 884522 :nottwo!~trannie@nottwo.org QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303713372 580077 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. We've got satellites in Earth's Lagrangian points. < 1303713386 345912 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, L1 and L2. < 1303713464 613653 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To specify further, the Lagrangian points in the Sun-Earth system. < 1303714110 205074 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, do they actually think that people will be able to fill it out? < 1303714111 273601 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1303714213 372974 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no < 1303714239 822681 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what about for earth-moon? < 1303714598 782294 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1303714638 533653 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1303714763 400542 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088164227.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1303714765 103292 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, but there have been many proposals for such. < 1303714810 765445 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The Sun-Earth L1 and L2 points are in use because they're very convenient for observation. < 1303714868 698687 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Earth-Moon L1 and L2 would be of most use with man actually on the Moon; communication satellites, waypoints for further travel, and the like. < 1303716008 173973 :lament!~lament@174.6.5.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303716594 869562 :mad!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1303717382 113218 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1303717399 900049 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Placental mammals *also* form an egg-shell analog and a yolk. < 1303717547 841104 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In placentals, the yolk serves as part of the early circulatory system. < 1303717691 684786 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The egg shell analog is the amniotic sac. Serves no function; it's just a vestigial egg shell. < 1303718981 393081 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-250.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303719758 760648 :tim000!~tim000@74-137-120-92.dhcp.insightbb.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303720833 324439 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088164227.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303722052 213142 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-184.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: bye < 1303722457 663405 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 PART :#esoteric < 1303724768 353526 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088164227.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1303724890 283005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303725056 208860 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1303725376 910667 :chen__!~chen@221.10.55.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303725553 126747 :chen__!~chen@221.10.55.217 QUIT :Client Quit < 1303725858 714941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303726762 736430 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DEBA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303729904 282943 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-62.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303730985 907477 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1303731680 166763 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, cleaning package cache freed 22GB of disk space. :-) < 1303732050 72506 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1303732302 962713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/gwmp7/how_does_starting_a_girlfriendboyfriend/ < 1303732303 186851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1303732304 575936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1303732440 461506 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "...have 2 messages!?"? < 1303732466 733606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT LAMBDABOT < 1303732537 19057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, I'm unsubscribing from AskReddit as well. < 1303732630 935016 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACE359.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303732654 562445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOON I WILL HAVE UNSUBSCRIBED FROM ALL OF REDDIT < 1303732694 809058 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEAA4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303732840 396671 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DEBA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224] < 1303734289 371554 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1303734380 813961 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303737549 70412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wow, cleaning package cache freed 22GB of disk space. :-) <-- distro? < 1303737602 165413 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sounds like the sort of thing I'd need help with (just judging from the URL) < 1303737803 828089 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's the local python bot? < 1303737808 318235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_346126, yes, I was going to say "Oh god, it's full of Sgeos" but I decided it wasn't worth it. < 1303737823 519012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, there isn't a local bot written in Python. < 1303737829 896611 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's the local python exec bot? < 1303738058 592299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python -e "print 'I forget the correct syntax'" < 1303738061 995845 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303738076 402058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python - "print 'I forget the correct syntax'" < 1303738077 525082 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303738079 634770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python -c "print 'I forget the correct syntax'" < 1303738081 54663 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303738094 3498 :Sgeo_346126!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303738113 971414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c "print 'I forget the correct syntax'" 2>&1 < 1303738115 21687 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the correct syntax < 1303738122 118877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1303738153 300558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → outside. < 1303738364 518971 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-62.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303738536 25588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303738903 898186 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303738969 228412 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303738984 226876 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303739985 50143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303740527 160642 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1303740982 484546 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303741037 214178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's iwc is definitely confusing... < 1303741148 763605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1303741165 749039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is it that Alvissa has understood < 1303741206 665788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck if i know < 1303741334 683486 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ruby is supposedly in the citadel, which ardaxar came out of. how can it not already be in his possession. maybe he just found out where it is. < 1303741391 898933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, time travel? < 1303741404 108067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's certainly all the rage < 1303741412 132756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1303741470 899960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or maybe it turns out the party is carrying it without knowing it? < 1303741477 721928 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :We are now taking up collections for the "elliott needs a sense of fnarf" fund | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Some logs also available at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1303741482 501101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kyros spehere is the wrong colour for it < 1303741486 495482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303741496 109830 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're not lying within the citadel afaict... < 1303741503 799241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1303741535 767033 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know how to get p -> !!p or !!p -> p from (p -> (q -> p)), (p -> (q -> r)) -> ((p -> q) -> (p -> r)), (!p -> !q) -> (q -> p)? < 1303741554 446368 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you are familiar with those or this might be a bit scary :D < 1303741575 998004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is it just me or is the head of the dragon in http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/comic.php?current=3005&theme=2&dir=next see-through at the eyes? < 1303741585 306222 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to do it but i just can't use axiom 3 < 1303741610 710784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, have you tried google btw? < 1303741620 479554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a text book < 1303741622 479116 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could check metamath < 1303741629 838763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then! < 1303741632 489120 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the fun in that < 1303741639 167883 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm. only in the first panel though. < 1303741650 477076 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more fun to tackle it myself or ask ppl < 1303741650 664478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, what is the fun in asking oerjan as opposed to figuring it out yourself < 1303741664 392757 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: us humans like social interaction < 1303741678 614694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, oh, right. (damn, this pretense is hard) < 1303741796 145147 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is secretely that alien guy from mezzacotta < 1303741805 471771 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*secretly < 1303741812 304440 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was kind eww < 1303741815 77815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which alien guy in mezzacotta? < 1303741822 413734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, link? < 1303741872 568121 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you didn't answer btw so i assume you're thinking real hard? < 1303741878 349261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit hard to search for... < 1303741883 927117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i don't see how to do it < 1303741890 461597 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty < 1303741951 481033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well point to the person in http://www.mezzacotta.net/cast/ ? < 1303741988 532044 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :duchovny presumably < 1303742002 302248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303742028 542051 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1303742063 624433 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm using STRN fingerprint for befunge... P (0gnirts Va -- ) , what does Va mean? V is vector, which is just x/y pair, but what does that 'a' represent? < 1303742071 310883 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I just push 10 there? < 1303742096 108552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303742112 313004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, let me check what my implementation of STRN does < 1303742153 933542 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1303742159 313894 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at rcfunge sources, it only pops zyx and than while(a!=0) pop and write < 1303742166 461695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"P - Put string at specified position" < 1303742170 332442 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1303742184 910896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, Va is a funge vector, used to decide where the string should be put. The delta from there is fixed < 1303742213 108343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IHRU?c < 1303742215 901418 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it somehow different from just 'V' < 1303742230 360158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"V - Retrieve value from string"? < 1303742241 16525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is atoi() basically as far as I can tell < 1303742246 245460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is what I do for it < 1303742254 464959 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean < 1303742261 894404 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :P (0gnirts V -- ) < 1303742264 514524 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was like this < 1303742272 792842 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :because often the argument is denoted V, but sometimes Va < 1303742274 753186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like notation to me < 1303742295 610551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, these are rcfunge docs? They are sometimes not very clear on things < 1303742302 323505 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1303742308 513446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I would suggest ccbi or cfunge as better interpreters than rcfunge. < 1303742319 179692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though for trefunge I guess you would be stuck with rcfunge < 1303742321 649456 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they opensource? < 1303742325 158763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, yes < 1303742349 497087 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm hacking the interpreter to add debuging info :D < 1303742357 635913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/ccbi.html https://launchpad.net/cfunge < 1303742363 315546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, the former has a built in debugger < 1303742365 515291 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just can't get P instruction to work... < 1303742366 665200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter has tracing < 1303742377 244542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm the author of cfunge) < 1303742398 962309 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: CCBI supports trefunge < 1303742404 372907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh? okay < 1303742410 449041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Deewiant is the author of ccbi) < 1303742432 853838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, I would not spend time on rcfunge code personally. From what I seen it is rather a mess. < 1303742448 108209 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1303742474 535722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, much more fun to write your own implementation from scratch :) < 1303742491 734381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do I suggest using this test suite. http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology.html < 1303742603 194838 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I untar bz2? :D < 1303742624 632919 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar xvfz don't work (z is for gzip?) < 1303742628 636743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, tar -jxf < 1303742633 912082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bz2 is for bzip2 < 1303742676 168751 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With GNU tar, just leave out the z or j, it'll figure it out. < 1303742691 897317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, are you using ccbi or cfunge? for cfunge I need to make another release soon, sometime. There are quite a few important bug fixes in the trunk < 1303742706 265883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think, haven't been working on cfunge for a while now) < 1303742751 901753 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I'm compiling cfunge < 1303742768 840299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh, gcc 4.6 gives quite a few warnings. < 1303742777 979841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to start working on cfunge again XD < 1303742815 416641 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, sweet makefile < 1303742819 496763 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of colors :D < 1303742867 162850 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, it works! :D < 1303742876 459813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmake yes < 1303742877 92692 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :be blessed good sir =) < 1303742888 273775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, if it is last release I think there are a handful of bugs in it < 1303742906 338826 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm using rather basic stuff < 1303742924 82436 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have this challenge with a friend to write a befunge irc bot :D < 1303742934 483804 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy cmake >_< < 1303742950 435468 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tell Fuco how his challenge is redundant. < 1303742951 68045 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it'd be cooler if not esoteric < 1303742965 13452 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco: fungot seems to want you to write a C IRC bot. < 1303742965 938364 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well i know why i chose term result. solving the first part of the joke too... < 1303742999 491220 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know about fungot < 1303742999 678855 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco: there is such a hack. < 1303743003 200683 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to do it myself :P < 1303743040 297436 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the fun part after all, right :) < 1303743154 227640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oy cmake >_< <-- yes. I'd not use it if I were to do it all again < 1303743159 311735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is more work switching away now < 1303743176 225707 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What would you use < 1303743286 657930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, probably autotools. Because stuff like cross compiling and what not just works. But there is really no good C build system. < 1303743308 204193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, CMake is my current preference < 1303743316 289098 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :autotools is a no-go because I think of Windows :-P < 1303743348 112287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it can get tedious with cmake doing stuff that is simple in autotools. I have quite a handful of cmake macros for such stuff... < 1303743356 469861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls cmake/modules/ < 1303743356 657519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CfungeCheckCflag.cmake CfungeCheckLinkerFlag.cmake CfungeRequireInclude.cmake MacroAddLinkFlags.cmake < 1303743356 657719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CfungeCheckFunction.cmake CfungeCheckWarningFlags.cmake CfungeRequireMultipleIncludes.cmake < 1303743356 657829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CfungeCheckLibraryFunction.cmake CfungeRequireFunction.cmake CfungeSetBuildInfoFlags.cmake < 1303743371 593842 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :autotools is miles ahead of cmake, and for me portability to Windows means "builds with MingW in MSYS" :P < 1303743375 16842 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel the need to test for the existence of stdio.h :-P < 1303743384 419823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed nor do I < 1303743392 36810 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running ./configure --help in MSYS takes a minute < 1303743396 242296 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: If you are checking for it, then you're autotoolsing utterly wrong. < 1303743397 296239 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With autotools < 1303743436 263407 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step one for making a tolerable autotools: Run autoscan, then disregard the vast majority of what it generates. < 1303743457 541187 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And yes, but then Windows is an intolerably shitty OS and when possible I usually cross-compile for it rather than building natively :P < 1303743459 666582 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But you check for C99 headers and stuff < 1303743469 701661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, because openbsd used to be crazy < 1303743474 513719 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just let the build fail < 1303743488 889097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I only check a handful there. < 1303743497 257654 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet the build DOESN'T fail, it works around (?) < 1303743507 331500 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 * C99, 10 * POSIX headers < 1303743510 598084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it fails on missing some C99 headers < 1303743518 685299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and openbsd was missing acosl and such < 1303743519 335958 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a few dozen POSIX/C99 functions < 1303743540 124755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and random() is actually XSI < 1303743569 280101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I only need C99 + pure POSIX.1-2001 + mmap, at least that is my intention. < 1303743580 91891 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, I'd just let the build fail < 1303743581 130057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I require strdup too it seems < 1303743618 797233 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :strdup is in POSIX.1 < 1303743627 446454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it was XSI last I checked < 1303743636 560023 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFORMING TO < 1303743636 747498 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : strdup() conforms to SVr4, 4.3BSD, POSIX.1-2001. < 1303743652 524723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I suggest you check POSIX docs itself < 1303743715 99862 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303743861 456377 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-46.vpn.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303743867 584801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm POSIX 2001 lists it as XSI, but POSIX 2008 lists it as CX < 1303743873 815317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth is CX... < 1303743914 942190 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Good lawd, it's NOT in base >_< < 1303743916 276672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah extension to C.. Right it is mandatory in POSIX-2008 < 1303743922 391198 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATE when man pages are wrong. < 1303743935 249997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, if you check the feature test macros you will see it < 1303743966 437908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, actually the man page is correct. It conforms to an option group described in POSIX.1-2001. The man page just doesn't say POSIX.1-2001 makes it optional < 1303743985 85602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : strdup(): < 1303743985 273207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : _SVID_SOURCE || _BSD_SOURCE || _XOPEN_SOURCE >= 500 || _XOPEN_SOURCE && _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED < 1303743985 273282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : || /* Since glibc 2.12: */ _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 200809L < 1303743986 417663 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought the man pages listed which group it was in when it wasn't in the base >_> < 1303743986 675657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1303743989 655322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it very clear < 1303744003 674107 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that's not in my man page! < 1303744014 683367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it is in SYNOPSIS for me < 1303744029 112677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just below the prototypes < 1303744034 581383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, man 3 strdup < 1303744043 320673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check on a less bleeding edge system than arch < 1303744046 352229 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, thanks for telling me how to get to the man page I'm ALREADY READING X_X < 1303744065 629270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on ubuntu lucid it lists: strdup(): _SVID_SOURCE || _BSD_SOURCE || _XOPEN_SOURCE >= 500 < 1303744072 968277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks wrong to me < 1303744089 766743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I thought you were maybe checking man 3p strdup < 1303744171 979776 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303744175 639377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, your system must be outdated < 1303744553 649426 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is there some way to display the actual fungespace during execution? < 1303744556 176847 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cfunge < 1303744585 204166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, no, it doesn't make much sense anyway, befunge-98 has a huge funge space < 1303744595 933805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well, mycology is huge, so it never been useful to me < 1303744609 502524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, if you want a good debugger I suggest ccbi. < 1303744636 620028 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_56: your secret is out < 1303744638 949545 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rubs hands in glee < 1303744649 648899 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't need to see *all* of it :P just the relevant part where I store data < 1303744655 867096 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, where I *think* I store data :D < 1303744656 838659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, there is a .gdbinit in the tarball for cfunge, with some useful gdb macros. But mostly useful to me since I know the code < 1303744667 167368 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1303744704 854852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, if you didn't make a release build you could attach gdb and call void fungespace_dumparea(funge_cell minx, funge_cell miny, funge_cell maxx, funge_cell maxy) < 1303744705 623832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1303744716 240505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah for debugger, ccbi is more practical < 1303744781 417420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, my goal is usually to debug the interpreter, not the program < 1303744815 254669 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw debugers, I'll do it like a man < 1303744820 903975 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :with careful trial and error < 1303744821 562067 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303744872 22666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, you can use -t to make cfunge print what it is doing < 1303744877 139749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t 1 to -t 9 < 1303744883 80756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives you different amounts of details < 1303744884 568942 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303744903 48613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think -t 8 and -t 9 only differ in how much stuff they print for k < 1303745120 668885 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303745158 524484 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-40-244.frgo.qwest.net PART :#esoteric < 1303745332 499857 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1303745405 23582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. made some updates to cfunge (mostly docs) < 1303745444 555281 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Which version are you running on anyway? < 1303745445 120302 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it took part in the discussion?") < 1303745538 92133 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303745546 762115 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1303745790 510527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you use a bzr checkout? bzr log | head < 1303746029 261261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do those first two axioms give you enough to do ordinary deduction with -> ? if so you can get from !!p -> (!!!!p -> !!p) to !!p -> (!!p -> p) and then to !!p -> p. < 1303746154 319121 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah they give you intuitionistic logic afaik < 1303746213 604156 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so from (!!!!p -> !!p) you can get to (!!p -> p) by using #3 twice < 1303746230 910121 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the idea < 1303746232 127683 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we need to do that inside the -> clause < 1303746245 321309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you realise that total memory on http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/fungicide-rankings/ is quite useless? < 1303746245 971883 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's certainly possible < 1303746251 740598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a lot is after all fixed overhead < 1303746278 571119 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh we just need a>b, b>c => a>c? < 1303746284 92981 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think so < 1303746310 396046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I mean, cfunge will allocate quite a lot in one go at the start. And even for those that don't you are counting stuff like size of memory mapped libc.so a number of times < 1303746319 785735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and (p -> (p -> r)) -> (p -> r) < 1303746320 44668 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRN 'D' instruction works really weirdly ;D < 1303746326 864122 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1303746336 194267 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You might want an interpreter that /doesn't/ allocate quite a lot in one go. < 1303746348 812753 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it goes to the beginning of the line each time you print something < 1303746363 14244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm < 1303746363 550892 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p -> (p -> r)) => (p -> p) -> (p -> r) < 1303746371 710457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but malloc in libc already does! < 1303746378 325438 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> (p -> r) since p->p follows easily from #1 and #2 < 1303746378 799207 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't use it ;-P < 1303746383 979349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : looks like it goes to the beginning of the line each time you print something <-- no? < 1303746385 839261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't immediately see how to get p->p < 1303746392 983402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, you must be using NCRS or something < 1303746404 467682 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take (p -> (q -> p)) < 1303746406 771980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuco, or maybe you have a \n at the start of it? < 1303746408 860275 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then umm < 1303746430 950005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is simply stack_pop_string(ip->stack, NULL); and fputs((char*)s, stdout); < 1303746431 995190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :q = r -> p < 1303746435 385610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plus some error checking) < 1303746453 251447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cfunge uses unsigned char internally) < 1303746458 143146 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p -> (q -> p)) -> ((p -> q) -> (p -> p)) => (p -> q) -> (p -> p) gives you p -> p < 1303746484 431445 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because q can be anything, in particular you can just use p -> (q -> p) < 1303746489 192385 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some other q < 1303746490 220543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, I should avoid going to char for strings unless I'm doing IO < 1303746493 389962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303746495 399707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303746511 708303 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1303746524 977187 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1303746534 386207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh noise < 1303746536 186252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you don't test for that! If popped strings are casted to char* or are kept as cell* < 1303746556 474296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what does ccbi do there < 1303746562 623819 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where < 1303746567 533403 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do what i did, but use q->p instead of q to get (p -> ((q -> p) -> p)) -> ((p -> (q -> p)) -> (p -> p)) => (p -> (q -> p)) -> (p -> p), then you get p->p < 1303746577 782439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, STRN C (strcmp) for example < 1303746597 110830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does it compare them as arrays of cell, or as arrays of chars < 1303746608 449893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what should it do < 1303746613 549522 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me. Not as if it's specified anyway :-P < 1303746650 760192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right, could affect other fingerprints too. I see I'm somewhat inconsistent in STRN, some things are done as char* some as array of cells directly (due to never using pop string function) < 1303746700 123142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most cases I use stack_pop_string seems to be IO < 1303746730 109945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or external libraries < 1303746822 337315 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: THE NOISE, IT BUUURNS < 1303747085 508831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you might want to update cfunge that fungot runs on if older than r823. There are some fixes for bug in STRN (which you use iirc) since then < 1303747086 372139 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: toys is so vague it is hard to understand why pretentiousness doesn't carry past a single generation < 1303747098 68375 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303747109 295980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOYS butterfly operation certainly is < 1303747129 820816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about which generations you mean < 1303747178 824523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sorry, make that r850 < 1303748955 578244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awesome, and utterly scary. I would never dare use it: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Conversion_from_Ext3 < 1303749093 780153 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: quit responding to tweets in IRC! I never understand what you're tlaking about! :P < 1303749106 249759 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1303749176 744702 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm not a fan of security through obscurity, here's the phrase copumpkin was referring to: < 1303749180 110730 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The bagel exam is out. I've scurried over to MAK." < 1303749274 247750 :tswett_56!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU NICK :tswett < 1303749785 787037 :Tritonio_Droid!~AndChat@athedsl-413272.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303750456 399777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look forward to btrfs becoming stable < 1303750845 186372 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088164227.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1303750875 993239 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088164227.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303750886 57894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we do what i did, but use q->p instead of q to get (p -> ((q -> p) -> p)) -> ((p -> (q -> p)) -> (p -> p)) => (p -> (q -> p)) -> (p -> p), then you get p->p < 1303750946 326791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you been trying to prove p → p from p→(q→p) and (p→(q→r))→((p→q)→(p→r))? < 1303751015 681301 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i have been trying to prove what i said i was trying to prove, so no < 1303751024 150456 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p->p is easy < 1303751027 930318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1303751041 128731 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we did was prove !!p -> p < 1303751081 447916 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of obvious once i applied oerjan to get the starting point !!p -> (!!!!p -> !!p) < 1303751138 940398 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very constructive of you < 1303751161 498197 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :höhöhö < 1303751198 365929 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303751719 490943 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1303751754 510615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Axiom of Ørjan. < 1303751848 859430 :oklopol!~oklopol@86.50.71.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303752058 800912 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard Ørjan had an evil twin, his name was Örjan < 1303753130 43962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, strange for a twin to use a different alphabet. < 1303754014 223968 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laspamupsit. < 1303754065 177999 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumalauta. < 1303754566 85627 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1339E2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303754680 955535 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, Linux times out connection attempts to unreachable on-link hosts in 3 seconds (with "no route to host" error). < 1303754698 234822 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: voi saatanan saatana < 1303754790 759067 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saatanauta. < 1303754832 371785 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terve. Minä olen kivi. < 1303754866 956605 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinä myös oletko kivi? < 1303754914 282886 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ä myös oletko/äkö myös olet/ < 1303754938 593128 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oletko sinä myös kivi is better < 1303754956 271943 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's ambiguous < 1303754966 970803 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You, too, are?" vs "are you also?" < 1303754967 236790 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish also does inversion like that? < 1303755011 581329 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the same ambiguity that "Are you a stone as well?" has in English? < 1303755038 616863 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah true exactly same thing as in english < 1303755052 503182 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: kyllä < 1303755065 922464 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kivi kuva kivi kuva kivi kuva. Kivi syö kuvan. Kuva ei syö kivin. < 1303755077 595138 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/kivin.$/kiveä./ < 1303755078 641459 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei syö kiveä < 1303755111 108547 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-38.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303755119 338170 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use genitive with negation < 1303755144 101956 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kuva ei syö kiveä. And it's the partitive because it's negated, there? < 1303755150 795843 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i know right < 1303755160 764087 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in positive you can say both kiven and kiveä < 1303755166 403703 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but then you realize that he's the.. EVIL twin < 1303755175 446518 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is to be expected! < 1303755188 332444 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laskea irti. < 1303755204 470707 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303755253 800644 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lasken, lasket, laskee, laske. Minä, minun, minua, minut. < 1303755262 45586 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koira laskee minut irti. < 1303755302 612170 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitä tarkoitat? < 1303755333 299550 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends; what does "laskea irti" mean? < 1303755344 318867 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let go < 1303755460 936552 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The dog lets me go". < 1303755586 93686 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :emmä oikeen tajuu kyl < 1303755827 266863 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Ni, -si, -nsa. Koirani tappaa koiransi. < 1303755884 671636 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nsi/si/ (or s/nsi/nsa/?) < 1303755893 640051 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303755926 107260 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you drop the declension for possessive suffixes or something? < 1303755967 687534 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you're trying to mean with -nsi < 1303755981 993070 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The accusative and second-person possessive. < 1303756024 126258 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there it gets dropped. < 1303756030 558850 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1303756035 986998 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for genitive < 1303756040 898243 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for much else < 1303756059 956601 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :koirallani on koiraltasi saatuja karvoja < 1303756159 953594 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303756188 415996 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to correct Google Translate's "my dog ​​is koiraltasi from hairs" later. Right now, I have to go outside or something. < 1303756193 215534 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgive the Unicode disaster. < 1303756580 211927 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1339E2.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224] < 1303756653 326045 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Käppääli! < 1303756695 481851 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haista homo vittu < 1303756770 15949 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vittu vittu vittu. < 1303756792 383607 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tervetuloa vittu. < 1303757082 399554 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303757154 202231 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B1339E2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303757189 979528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303757214 467585 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303757811 227390 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303758134 520715 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303758244 259029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303758307 513167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's oerjan where you need him < 1303758308 163166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1303758663 58064 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303759589 962801 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why/when would you ever need him? < 1303759614 260693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i forget < 1303760273 693163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you need someone else to think for you. < 1303760341 168313 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's hard to get oerjan to think for you, it's just he doesn't have to think to solve all my problems < 1303760346 65554 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just has to look < 1303760356 316408 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: may not be true) < 1303760939 16286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (interned == NIL) ptr = interned = cons(NIL, NIL); < 1303760939 276475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (CDR(ptr) != NIL) { < 1303760939 463996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : obj record = CAR(ptr); < 1303760939 464170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (!strcmp((char *) CAR(record), s)) { < 1303760940 266109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :durrr < 1303760943 365573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at how i'm retarded < 1303761008 702365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, shit. < 1303761022 708676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need the symbol NIL to make NIL, so I need to intern it, but the interning code relies on NIL :P < 1303761217 842496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you trying to do again? < 1303761221 272241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zepto. < 1303761326 992347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, my architecture, it is broken. < 1303761357 719779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like I _do_ need three-conses. < 1303761387 368139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're probably doing it wrong, whatever it is < 1303761392 477373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am indeed. < 1303761467 609152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303761504 567678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: EVEN MORE < 1303761505 257202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERIOR < 1303761506 27499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :POINTERS < 1303761651 75083 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm disappointed by 77lang's restrictive word size, but unsure how to extend it without creating endianness problems. < 1303761666 13707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Embed a Fythe VM. < 1303761691 890934 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be complicated in <140 bytes. < 1303761697 270839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But srsly, I think some kind of ByteByte thing might work. < 1303761701 400743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or WordWordJump. < 1303761705 282094 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1303761717 401471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Say, an X[asterisk]X-bit WordWordJump. < 1303761723 538590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where X is sizeof(int)timeseight < 1303761851 97158 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Upon reading wiki page: BECOMING LESS CONVINCED < 1303761858 707778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like I said, use the same size. < 1303761861 176627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's no casting involved. < 1303761874 866651 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That doesn't solve the word size issue, although it MIGHT be smaller. < 1303761904 62948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(;;){m[p[1]]=m[*p];p=m+p[2];} < 1303761907 483251 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088164227.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303761908 952998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty short main loop /shrug < 1303761924 541038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It'd be word-size specific, but you could just assume int is thirty-two bits :P < 1303761936 689802 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If I use int, then it's endianness-specific. < 1303761953 148577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endianness will always be an issue unless you use char, end of story :P < 1303761962 945875 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT < 1303761972 627573 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SHALL INTRODUCE A SEGMENT REGISTER < 1303761974 576945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try BCT. < 1303761992 255116 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to imagine I could get a cyclic tag system in little C >_> < 1303761992 443136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other CT. < 1303761999 864685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why not? < 1303762004 914126 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's fucking C :P < 1303762010 12921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1303762019 843113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's worth a try. < 1303762038 211638 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1303762073 818537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And self-BCT is "maybe" TC. < 1303762092 425625 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's self-bct < 1303762100 163989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCT where data string = program string. < 1303762114 134795 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k's < 1303762237 984266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/tQoZq.jpg < 1303762387 685672 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1303762460 974957 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ikuisesti! < 1303762518 616318 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C is the most platform-dependent platform-independent language I know of. < 1303762598 552945 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that honor goes to ... a.out :P < 1303762606 142588 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TOTALLY A LANGUAGE) < 1303762651 158497 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a.out contain machine code? < 1303762663 697232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303762684 639763 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the "language" a.out doesn't specify the machine code, a.out itself is platform-independent. < 1303762704 264009 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can load an x86 a.out file on ARM, and it'll load ... it just won't run. < 1303762720 532382 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just *might* not run < 1303762725 971988 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True! < 1303762739 946591 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could conceivably write arm/x86 polyglots < 1303762742 20488 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the point, it's not up to the a.out language to know or care. < 1303762765 195845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a.out isn't an a.out file and hasn't been for ages < 1303762773 307807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, idiots who write compilers! < 1303762777 978394 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking about the output of cc, I'm talking about a.out. < 1303762798 945368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about ELF? < 1303762802 180888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELF is more portable than a.out these days :P < 1303762813 75740 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but a.out requires a fuckload less thought :) < 1303762823 197592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ELF is what is *used*. < 1303762831 557516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Even if the file is called a.out.* < 1303762832 306258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELF has headers that specify the architecture, not portable at all < 1303762843 651515 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OMG WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT TELLING US ANYTHING SHUT UP < 1303762866 779591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what Gregor said < 1303763022 77567 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B1339E2.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303763104 409474 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read what phantom_hoover said but I agree with gregor < 1303763523 583635 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just realized that even ignoring the endianness issue, changing to int breaks everything because gets() will only read 'til a NULL, so every pointer would need to be to at least 0x01010101 >_> < 1303763531 820448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Awesome :P < 1303763565 129337 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr ... and so would all jump offsets <_< < 1303763586 677533 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straightline code is at zero. Data and other code is at 16MB. Final output ... is at 0 again. < 1303763622 84787 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ability to use number names and numbers consistently is at ze0. < 1303763783 60970 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i need some radio silence < 1303763786 281015 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe see you some day < 1303763789 330065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1303763793 609627 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-49.vpn.utu.fi QUIT : < 1303763847 724916 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :radio silence? I guess the russians are invading again < 1303763863 544766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :god forbid they get their hands on our esoterica < 1303763866 603380 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn pinko commies. < 1303763889 753338 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :We are now taking up collections for the "elliott needs a sense of fnarf" fund | GOD BLESS CAPITALISM | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Some logs also available at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1303765448 514316 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303765469 95255 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what's fnarf? < 1303765469 615421 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303765516 790966 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apr 19 23:27:52 Yahweasel: OK, I've figured out the problem. < 1303765516 978425 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apr 19 23:28:07 Yahweasel: Your definition of "taste" is one that involves not having a nose. < 1303765516 978599 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apr 19 23:28:14 Therefore it is utterly unrelated to the sense known as "taste". < 1303765562 529095 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apr 19 23:28:18 I propose you use the word "fnarf" instead. < 1303765724 73996 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303765743 79829 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1303766159 766450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303766975 135438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1303767005 203581 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34B0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303767007 553589 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34B0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1303767007 740889 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303767013 122223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303767094 545484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303767101 414748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how can your become-inactive promise actually be used? < 1303767134 531974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you get me to transfer it to you, you can cash it and I become inactive < 1303767155 30127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to get me to transfer it to you, you'd need to give me something of approximately equal or greater value in return < 1303767155 450766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, is there no Promise infrastructure for pledging to transfer them somehow? < 1303767161 157670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, promising to transfer a promise :-D < 1303767176 638680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, can't you immediately become active again? < 1303767203 304035 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-38.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303767376 901560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can < 1303767394 268971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not imposing a period of time on anyone else's version either < 1303767416 158460 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303767419 340697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303767424 407154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ability to inactivate someone so that they miss a key deadline (via timing scam) is incredibly useful, though < 1303767431 576435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I collect them whenever such a rule exists < 1303767479 69261 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1303767483 1848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: hmm, is there no Promise infrastructure for pledging to transfer them somehow? < 1303767497 851360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no there isn't < 1303767504 650114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, I'll trade it to you for a Promise that I cash in your Promise < 1303767507 300056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's meant to be an element of trust involved here < 1303767518 769083 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't just make a Promise to do it? < 1303767520 684550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, you can cash the promise I give you immediately, and become inactive immediately < 1303767521 369133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: err, that's a little indirect < 1303767523 591117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then become immediately active again < 1303767534 237612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, but it puts the power into your hands < 1303767536 315016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to stop me hogging it < 1303767541 657772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, umm, I'm confused now < 1303767575 4265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll Promise "I cash in ais523's Promise about going inactive, unless I do not have that Promise.", transfer that to you, and you can transfer the Promise in question to me < 1303767576 993222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also buggy, as if I hung onto the original promise, I could just destroy it, leaving my message with no referent when you tried to cash the indirect promise < 1303767582 59185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, you can cash in on that promise to become inactive < 1303767599 511623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303767602 307177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but I don't gain anything from that, right? < 1303767608 292322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I get is the ability to indirectly make myself inactive < 1303767618 915608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would I want that, when I can directly make myself inactive instead? < 1303767621 442030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you get the satisfaction of confusing everything < 1303767624 20453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1303767626 508082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you get the satisfaction of confusing everybody slightly < 1303767636 427802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I doubt I'll take up that offer < 1303767639 988218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What I'm trying to do is make the transfer one of very small values like that < 1303767659 887436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because I don't really have anything worth enough to get your actual Promise < 1303767668 998236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd just want you to make a similar promise yourself < 1303767678 202487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then, you can make me inactive, and I can make you inactive < 1303767680 364885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't want to do that; that's boring < 1303767699 853383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I might, but only if you really decide that confusing everyone isn't a good way to start the economy. < 1303767704 993059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be a lame thing to decide. < 1303767793 616739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: { I create a Promise "I cash in ais523's Promise to go inactive", with the condition {I, ehird, currently possess ais523's Promise to go inactive}, and transfer it to ais523. } < 1303767795 915236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'd send < 1303767808 614538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but this is completely useless to me < 1303767821 238490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as this ends up with: you can make me go inactive; I can make me go inactive < 1303767825 422785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no advantages at all < 1303767828 902144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the issue? < 1303767853 234913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like saying "could you give me £10, and in return I'll give you your £10 back if you ask for it and I haven't spent it yet" < 1303767859 70227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way does that benefit me? < 1303767940 952339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: second < 1303767976 669491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't benefit you in raw, hard currency at all. Note that I expect you to cash it immediately, thus removing my ability to make you go inactive. < 1303767990 9339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but then nothing's happened, altogether < 1303767994 140795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's still no benefit < 1303767995 803406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The actual benefit is in the metagame, i.e. being vaguely confusing. < 1303768001 184148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't < 1303768003 7168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: By your logic, winning has no benefit. < 1303768019 586189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, because contribution towards a win is how I measure benefit in Agora < 1303768038 654325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you've never performed an action in Agora just because it was amusing? < 1303768047 593932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly do that in B < 1303768050 896836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that action is anti-amusing < 1303768052 472856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of work < 1303768072 812768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, my latest action is mostly amusement because win-by-paradox was repealed < 1303768089 492728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I consider Agora's win conditions to mostly be well-crafted and interesting things to aim for < 1303768096 114183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that holds true even after they've been repealed < 1303768113 207702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anti-amusing? how? < 1303768121 577072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's boring and random for no benefit < 1303768161 603557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's a potential rules bug which makes me want to avoid becoming inactive even for a few seconds for no reason < 1303768164 553153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can Promises have lasting effects? < 1303768240 530748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're messages < 1303768248 106244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a message have lasting effects? < 1303768278 165262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe < 1303768301 591426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's a simple but illegal action? < 1303768314 430406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, in the current ruleset < 1303768316 70384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, intend to ratify something false < 1303768322 727740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : A player SHALL NOT knowingly use or announce intent to use < 1303768322 915206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ratification Without Objection to ratify a (prior to < 1303768322 915306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ratification) incorrect document when a corrected document could < 1303768322 915393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : be produced with reasonable effort, unless the general nature of < 1303768323 758009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, er < 1303768327 649251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, that's not as clear < 1303768333 409326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is the wrong channel, and I don't really have much interest in continuing the conversation < 1303768340 588713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think < 1303768468 627109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just transferred you a Promise < 1303768486 158354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I forgot to specify a scope < 1303768543 413875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, umm, quite a promise < 1303768561 763262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to create a Promise insanely valuable, but so personally harmful that you'll never cash it. < 1303768569 738697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or transfer it to someone likely to cash it. < 1303768581 508163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's only insanely valuable to someone who really hates me. < 1303768592 216552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the intent is wrong because it doesn't specify a scope. < 1303768599 955930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could transfer it to someone who hates you, and they couldn't cash it anyway < 1303768609 721602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I gave you my inactivity promise < 1303768631 787721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could destroy it to save the recordkeepors some issue < 1303768634 163082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was assuming that it was valuable enough for that to be a given. < 1303768645 962692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Given that it can be used to accomplish the same as me becoming inactive, just more destructively. < 1303768654 690766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, I could use it myself, in that deregistering you has a stronger effect that inactivating you has < 1303768675 880244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely, but I feel you're too Lawful Good to do that, because of the criminal cases that would result from the ratification intents. < 1303768697 473523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's you who's doing the illegal actions, not me < 1303768715 60999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I think you're too kind to make me do that. < 1303768724 335303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1303768735 894833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the illegal actions in question are also buggy, incidentally, and probably not illegal at all < 1303768741 983806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said that. < 1303768806 898288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1303768816 999485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was pointing out that your promise is pretty much a straight deregistration < 1303768828 976059 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303768881 221776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the condition is buggy; I can trade you my promise just before cashing yours < 1303768884 571545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but only by accident < 1303768888 531147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then as you're deregistered, it goes to the L&FD < 1303768889 224346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, indeed < 1303768894 961196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect nothing less < 1303768897 30517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a trade at all < 1303768967 602454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deposits 5 quatloos in the fnarf fund < 1303769232 137997 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I need the symbol NIL to make NIL, so I need to intern it, but the interning code relies on NIL :P < 1303769237 571733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1303769239 222427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I N Z E P T I O N < 1303769241 872465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303770056 434651 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71.38.40.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303771766 584402 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303771945 774964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303772694 516968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303773188 812542 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1303773742 814400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303774108 12980 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1303774899 95647 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303775528 406200 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