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< 1301616187 727623 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's the scariest freenode /notice I've ever seen :P
< 1301616235 609547 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek. well it _is_ on freenode's own blog...
< 1301616278 491544 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to mention one other obvious fact)
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< 1301616297 353989 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even managed to load the damned blog page yet.
< 1301616310 870726 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost assuredly an April fool's day prank.
< 1301616322 92116 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was talking about the hearts :P
< 1301616326 717858 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want a network to love me that much :P
< 1301616332 790753 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since everyone else got it at the same time...
< 1301616371 174862 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the blog that's slow or my connection?
< 1301616381 200406 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't load for me either
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< 1301616413 122796 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, everyone on freenode obviously got the notice near simultaneously
< 1301616429 205027 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's currently 0:06 UTC)
< 1301616441 492008 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh
< 1301616531 382832 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION officially declares antialiasing to be evil http://www.darthsanddroids.net/heists/0050.html
< 1301616678 7552 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that is probably one of the most meta comics, ever
< 1301616781 973671 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they've forgotten the favicon this time
< 1301616919 162793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION huggles nyud.net
< 1301616939 24340 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh you fiend
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< 1301617048 834543 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the heck does neither nyud.net nor www.nyud.net work
< 1301617089 862798 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Because you don't support the libc.so fund :P
< 1301617107 165917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.freenode.net.nyud.net/2011/04/important-service-announcement-regarding-defocus/ worked for me
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< 1301617143 348173 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes but that's rather useless for someone who wants to visit the nyud.net homepage to find out exactly what their redirection syntax _was_ again
< 1301617179 168590 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bastard nerds and your photographic command syntax memory
< 1301617222 239424 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that wasn't precisely fast either...
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< 1301621565 695764 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- most obnoxious nick ever?
< 1301622038 567001 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: nope
< 1301622047 34124 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1301622047 409643 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(-------------------------" is
< 1301622055 722674 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid nick
< 1301622064 343166 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: not this network. I have seen this before
< 1301622070 499441 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :P
< 1301622075 550061 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it could certainly be valid elsewhere.
< 1301622101 516258 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: nearly as bad: "TheLongestNamePossibleOnThisServer"
< 1301622109 604352 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk
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< 1301640213 473294 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mail.google.com/mail/help/motion.html
< 1301640347 133159 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's that day again.
< 1301640365 607011 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glorious friday!
< 1301640424 540904 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see reddit's r/circlejerk took some inspiration from r/trees
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< 1301641664 878252 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1301642102 812021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name for the type of symmetry "the distance from a fixed center point to the boundary of the shape is the same in both direction x and -x for all choices of vector x"?
< 1301642211 12177 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radial
< 1301642591 56210 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, radial is stronger
< 1301642614 11415 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 180 degree rotational symmetry, don't recall if it has a shorter name
< 1301642620 167316 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*degrees
< 1301642670 608992 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is radial stronger?
< 1301642705 425452 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :radial is rotation by any angle, or at least a smaller one...
< 1301642730 489643 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_%28physical_attractiveness%29
< 1301642742 743936 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right and the angle depends on the type of symmetry
< 1301642747 653880 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the number of rays
< 1301642750 695555 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, 2 rays
< 1301642800 654277 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-fold rotational symmetry, says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotational_symmetry
< 1301642875 91693 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think radial symmetry just isn't a mathematical term
< 1301642899 382074 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_symmetry lists 5-fold rotational symmetry as a type of radial symmetry.
< 1301642907 970095 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it seemed to be more biological
< 1301642959 44653 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did sort of assume that "radial symmetry" would mean "depends only on distance", purely based on the name, but I guess it's not a real thing.
< 1301643058 420202 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly a real thing
< 1301643071 647247 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's circular or spherical
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< 1301643690 817728 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5508110/why-is-this-program-erroneously-rejected-by-three-c-compilers
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< 1301644478 192615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wild guess: because it's wrong?
< 1301644550 50395 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very plausible guess. but incorrect.
< 1301644805 978983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the poster just failed to encode it in the format expected by the compilers
< 1301644848 898039 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think elliott must be right about those swedes.
< 1301645000 676695 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the second answer, though it was slightly botched by trying to talk about "text files"
< 1301646189 672785 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO/IEC 14882:1998(E), 2.1p1 subclause 1: "Physical source file characters are mapped, in an implementation-defined manner, to the basic source character set --"; if he's read the standard twice in its entirety already, I would expect him to have noticed this part and realize you can't really expect to be able to write a program based on the standard alone, without considering the implementation.
< 1301646454 110857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring, haven't seen any likely april fool hoaxes yet
< 1301646810 535791 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our staff@ mailing list got this: "Please find the Springer marketing campaign below. It seems you can get a 30% Springer author discount from registration fees at selected conferences with LNCS proceedings, but more importantly, you may get a conference review waiver coupon, which enables you to bypass the peer review process in some selected conferences and get an article published directly. This is a nice offer especially for students. See details below."
< 1301647078 400291 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1301647082 153225 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no peer review
< 1301647083 339247 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1301647084 985571 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no peer review
< 1301647086 336465 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1301647097 569618 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no peer review
< 1301647098 493129 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1301647112 192411 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no peer review
< 1301647112 911194 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
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< 1301647531 361734 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Context: april fool hoaxes.
< 1301647662 667389 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1301648154 999032 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :' oh, "dleep" was a typo for "sleep"' not a typo
< 1301648180 308987 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure that's relevant
< 1301648462 767273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a nice offer especially for students." :D
< 1301648486 537986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god i didn't go to work today, i had no idea it's april already
< 1301649211 414057 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math society at UW just adopted a new set of bylaws yesterday. I sent an email out to the mailing list at about 1:30 saying that the version I'd published earlier was wrong and due to some procedural technicalities, we had to adopt this alternate version. it's a work of comedy
< 1301650454 785819 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNSSEC going nowhere again: .com is now DNSSEC-signed. :-)
< 1301650547 582188 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody got the freenode prize yet?
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< 1301653899 213078 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Do you happen to know how much breaks if you turn DNSSEC validation on? (I mean in the usual way where "insecure" zones are allowed, but if a zone has a DS in the parent then it will need to be properly working all the way down.)
< 1301654072 370969 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't hit that a wide variety of sites, but it seems that very little breaks.
< 1301654123 822014 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. Well, I guess that might be either because everyone's doing DNSSEC right, or because no-one's doing DNSSEC at all.
< 1301654196 508638 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not many are doing DNSSEC, but virtually all that are are doing it right.
< 1301654658 862190 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :65 TLDs have TAs in the root zone (zone serial appears to be 2011040100).
< 1301655711 514892 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.fi root has been DNSSEC-signed since late 2010, but if I understood correctly it should now be possible to do DS "delegations" to actual zones too. (At least this newspost says after "31.3.")
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< 1301657680 927153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MOTD: so gay.
< 1301657978 348680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not entirely convinced it's even possible to do an April Fool's joke on Esolang
< 1301657983 283017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't look any different from the rest of the site
< 1301658020 421168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:54:38: wild guess: because it's wrong?
< 1301658020 585791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:55:50: a very plausible guess. but incorrect.
< 1301658020 750534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:00:05: right, the poster just failed to encode it in the format expected by the compilers
< 1301658020 750704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:00:48: ...i think elliott must be right about those swedes.
< 1301658025 116767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i concur in this case!
< 1301658040 908671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is elliott's idea about swedes?
< 1301658050 765063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they're all weird and crazy and should be avoided
< 1301658055 783556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a bad way)
< 1301658064 924195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: turn esolang into a site about tongues in which magick spelles are cast'e
< 1301658069 421166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric languages!
< 1301658079 700738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i can think of :)
< 1301658089 997723 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i take it you are also r/trees inspired?
< 1301658090 163439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . N Talk:Velato/; 05:01 . . (+169) . . 195.211.160.6 (Talk) (Unusually not mephitic forum!!!! Epilogue to bookmarks. To a countless extent wares resource. Greatly much admins)
< 1301658102 937730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm logreading :D
< 1301658133 319517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1301658139 104445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i was referring to your AF suggestion for here
< 1301658148 798049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the wiki, i guess
< 1301658152 999675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that's where i saw you mentioning the /r/circlejerk//r/trees thing
< 1301658160 107372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, that's a slash separating two /r/ paths, problem?)
< 1301658190 556468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO PROBLEM
< 1301658232 523441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/QlGpd.gif <-- this wins forever
< 1301658239 79141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the stackoverflow question)
< 1301658241 717917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from
< 1301658326 103855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you might like ^
< 1301658341 56306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an expert in abusing ms paint for computational purposes >:D
< 1301658390 351848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that making? a piet program or something?
< 1301658395 951909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: keep watching
< 1301658403 428706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (or refresh if it gets cut off)
< 1301658416 204498 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so damn slow on my computer
< 1301658420 790951 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130235.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301658426 3106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: download it then watch
< 1301658435 311988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(file -> save as :P)
< 1301658495 356235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I take it that wasn't you doing that, given that you'd be unlikely to be using Windows Vista or 7
< 1301658501 436356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although that's not completely implausible0
< 1301658501 601615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy mailman mailing list reminder's day yesterday!
< 1301658505 340692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/0/)/
< 1301658511 304902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed, it's from the stack overflow question that you may or may not have seen
< 1301658526 168221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5508110/why-is-this-program-erroneously-rejected-by-three-c-compilers
< 1301658529 195736 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136177.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1301658563 965473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think of a sufficiently funny question to join #r.trees and say
< 1301658565 85965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did it have a BOM?
< 1301658568 532484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing from the URL
< 1301658579 375443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's an image of a program
< 1301658588 514898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hand-crafted drawing!
< 1301658608 133782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the typography isn't as good as in the standard document, but C++ compilers can hardly expect such anal calligraphy!
< 1301658617 134571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This marks the first time the phrase "anal calligraphy" has ever been uttered.)
< 1301658684 487787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so did esr insist on making the new C-INTERCAL release himself? :P
< 1301658750 278239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1301658756 832786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it myself, a little later
< 1301658766 556273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Last time I chose to program in Python, because I love the language. But I used some Windows-specific libraries and some people were frustrated they could not see the program run on their machine. So this time I'm going to use Java. It's arguably less expressive than Python, but I know that the GUI and window interface is quite portable"
< 1301658774 741193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, not april fools
< 1301658790 225684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly java.awt.Robot probably doesn't have a portable Python analogue)
< 1301658940 834577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (This marks the first time the phrase "anal calligraphy" has ever been uttered.) <-- about 103 hits, says google
< 1301658958 854577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, googling "anal calligraphy" since 2011
< 1301658965 765752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR EVEN EARLIER ???
< 1301658981 329313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buy a handmade custom "Anal" calligraphy wall scroll here!"
< 1301658999 371256 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _think_ i've done it before.
< 1301659020 782223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that phrase has at least two possible meanings, i note
< 1301659037 123765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RALLY
< 1301659060 640855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a reddit spore, i feel so inferior
< 1301659067 138143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.
< 1301659068 102715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mold.
< 1301659088 747052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get to type annoyingly :(
< 1301659093 114994 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor elliott, all jealous of I_RAPE_CATS
< 1301659124 390112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for someone who has never been on reddit to read this log
< 1301659158 323043 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this surely was not the best time for him to have to defend his actions...
< 1301659179 149438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen his userpage?
< 1301659182 204258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/I_RAPE_CATS
< 1301659186 92926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~9873493. A£|F"$F
< 1301659227 340981 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in a few hours
< 1301659241 563703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see he got online
< 1301659263 99461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, meaningless cloaks
< 1301659272 481904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THERE IS A PRIZE. IT’S WORTH IT. HINT: MOTD."
< 1301659279 391774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do we send answers?
< 1301659282 731961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1301659295 959202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VmlldyBwYWdlIHNvdXJjZSwgeW91bmcgZ3Jhc3Nob3BwZXIu"
< 1301659298 771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1301659299 298816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :base36?
< 1301659300 121957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the april fool that there actually _is_ a prize?
< 1301659316 88132 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: base64
< 1301659322 195384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1301659334 244238 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't tell what the next stage was about though, so I left it at that
< 1301659363 5747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :view page source
< 1301659384 470431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i helping you fuckers, i want @unicorn/ or whatever
< 1301659408 75617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blog post won't load now :)
< 1301659417 15656 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can paste it for you
< 1301659423 982596 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does I_RAPE_CATS manage to get _less_ mold? he had 53 before and someone claimed to have seen 54
< 1301659434 221519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sure (assuming it's the new one), thanks
< 1301659444 45254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they wear off?
< 1301659450 994834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or maybe you can spend KARMA to get rid of them :-D
< 1301659454 770485 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1301659455 866919 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/HMGb
< 1301659462 988322 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The relevant bit)
< 1301659473 95167 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming they last for today...
< 1301659478 535743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like a trivial cipher
< 1301659483 778578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Un = An, probably
< 1301659491 876579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH this is close to my laziness limit
< 1301659497 33185 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It crossed mine
< 1301659508 796954 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started past mine
< 1301659509 884988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask what the prize cloak is in #freenode :-D
< 1301659680 214677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : they are throttling blog on purpose
< 1301659680 416532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : to get attention
< 1301659689 911511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish this guy would shut up so my important question would get answered
< 1301659869 963270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and all of us say something
< 1301659870 128147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for aprill fools joke
< 1301659870 128300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : but we act serious
< 1301659870 128405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : but something bad hmm
< 1301659870 128509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeh good to see this is a great help channel
< 1301659870 571952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i will say something and you ay yes i have heard
< 1301659872 550902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and act serious
< 1301659874 580974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : haha :D
< 1301659876 634835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what im doing here with kids omg
< 1301660288 983405 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301660484 118420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fanny scratching in 18th-century London's Cock Lane was so notorious that interested bystanders often blocked the street. It became the focus of a religious controversy between Methodists and orthodox Anglicans, and was reported on by celebrities of the period such as Samuel Johnson."
< 1301660487 866574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(--wp fa)
< 1301660495 619453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301660562 426714 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate notpr0n...
< 1301660609 890988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:52:00: I'm continuing to bother #esoteric because ZERO people from this channel have helped me out here :P
< 1301660625 469710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's plausible APT Guy actually would have paid for an address.
< 1301660693 179302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOULD have?
< 1301660705 782160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the auction was over.
< 1301660736 401017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO over
< 1301660751 568632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:56:27 Well that's the scariest freenode /notice I've ever seen :P
< 1301660753 66157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it?
< 1301660758 446593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See raw log.
< 1301660780 396896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the BritClique so thoroughly dominates WP now that all the April Fool's humor on the front page are nothing but references to UK culture? I'm guessing the argument is "Well this is the english language wikipedia, I'm sure the german language WP has German references, etc. etc..." Sorry to inform you, but other people speak english too. As if it wasn't obvious. Jersey John (talk) 06:31, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
< 1301660784 94309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS A PONSCIRAPICY
< 1301660805 521787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On another note, I'm quickly growing tired of the undue snarkiness and senseless arrogance of the Brit Clique, as I call them, here on Wiki... It's no wonder a bunch morons a few years back went and made Conservapedia. Not that I like that place either. Plus I'm banned from it... lol..." --[[User:Jros83]]
< 1301660830 786123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't find that notice in the raw log for today or yesterday...
< 1301660838 238687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Try hardesr.
< 1301660839 920622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*harder.
< 1301660864 696081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1301660869 858585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of horrific person gave wil wheaton 19 molds. WAS IT YOU?
< 1301660881 830782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better than the toilet paper thing
< 1301660890 439879 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't have a reddit account
< 1301660901 680771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ?
< 1301660907 777419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's what you _would_ say isn't it.
< 1301660920 672056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: remember when the page about toilet paper orientation was discussed in #esoteric
< 1301660926 306113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it might make a good april fool's FA
< 1301660931 823670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1301660951 121660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, i've figured out a good esolang AF
< 1301660953 342957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . N Talk:Velato/; 05:01 . . (+169) . . 195.211.160.6 (Talk) (Unusually not mephitic forum!!!! Epilogue to bookmarks. To a countless extent wares resource. Greatly much admins)
< 1301660954 824250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave this here!
< 1301660958 735448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam never gets left!
< 1301660965 370850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a good AF at all
< 1301660972 150506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S HILARIOUS
< 1301661009 503930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, did I_RAPE_CATS actually manipulate that stupid video thing?
< 1301661021 595989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION moves [[Fugue Compiler]]. As an April FOol's or something
< 1301661043 2815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well at a minimum it appears he didn't choose it randomly as he was supposed to
< 1301661043 840867 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
< 1301661049 996390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: YOU LOST HA H
< 1301661050 377181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1301661054 624633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOULDA BID HIGHER
< 1301661058 717763 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not over, but it's lookin' that way.
< 1301661071 187057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww.
< 1301661076 951740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Put more money into it
< 1301661085 49980 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I will, 24 hours before the end.
< 1301661098 423607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE _EXPECTING_ YOU TO DO
< 1301661102 127862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long does this damn auction *last*?
< 1301661113 59287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only been on for a couple of days :P
< 1301661134 113272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it at now?
< 1301661144 185874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I insist on parsing your nick as libc \x2 Eso
< 1301661174 338603 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$575 :(
< 1301661186 266860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous
< 1301661189 950834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=helvetica
< 1301661210 439027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT FUNNY GOOGLE
< 1301661212 842733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT FUNNY IN THE SLIGHTEST
< 1301661325 543429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on if you google "Helvetica"?
< 1301661354 990096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes to Comic Sans.
< 1301661355 750124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: open in your unrestricted browser
< 1301661361 674111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU: SUCK
< 1301661387 384065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I nearly made an accidental April fool today.
< 1301661399 834800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT YOU SPOILED IT
< 1301661405 908136 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1301661451 477729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs autojump
< 1301661457 71603 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's ridiculous // OK, seriously, are you the poorest man alive? X-D
< 1301661474 532820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah comic sans gives the same
< 1301661483 745525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: 500 is a very big number
< 1301661485 693190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not arial
< 1301661486 401420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to even visualise
< 1301661499 429288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 is trivial to visualise :P
< 1301661514 996204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :£500 would be overpriced for a new computer nowadays
< 1301661520 53091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with dollars it's more reasonable
< 1301661523 412620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And libc\x2Eso is a privileged douchebag for thinking balking at spending half a thousand dollars on a domain name makes you the poorest man alive :P
< 1301661551 715262 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 2/3rds of a plane ticket, somewhat less than one month's rent, considerably less than the sum of one month's bills.
< 1301661563 708838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...for you.
< 1301661581 988103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I consider plane travel so expensive that people who require it are insnae
< 1301661583 494020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insane
< 1301661590 812030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people who reimburse plane travel costs more so
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< 1301661712 440213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god Gregor's being an idiot about money again isn't he.
< 1301661739 693170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, come to think of it, what *did* you do with that money you got from the bit of Wolfram's ego you heroically chipped off.
< 1301661752 272428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bought a laptop, and put the rest in the bank
< 1301661752 833561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find a source download of the bitcoin client
< 1301661760 370067 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://p.zem.fi/d98k
< 1301661778 711927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lived off it for a few years
< 1301661797 279393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a laptop would barely *dent* the prize money you got.
< 1301661823 123062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What.
< 1301661827 44376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :400 out of 12000 is about 1/30
< 1301661829 970666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than just a dent
< 1301661900 340537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No it isn't.
< 1301661914 923436 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My lovely horse, you're a pony no more" // Pony: Not a name for horse babies :P
< 1301661959 41491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, you've presumably never seen Father Ted, being an American and all.
< 1301661973 14303 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: i cry foal!
< 1301661996 901643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 30 dents don't normally completely destroy something
< 1301662030 169951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, also, what is your *job*?
< 1301662049 767476 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm a grad student. In the summers I usually intern here and there.
< 1301662050 56147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a grad student, I thought they had, like, negative money.
< 1301662074 605019 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a grad student with fiscal responsibility, I have plenty of money. And yes, occasionally buying something nice for myself still factors into fiscal responsibility.
< 1301662105 991595 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I don't own a Wii, a PS3 and an Xbox 360 (or any of them for that matter), the price some grad students pay to own all three easily covers libc.so right there :P
< 1301662110 519043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Fiscal responsibility makes you rich. Nothing else.
< 1301662122 350878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls that Tom Scott is a student of some description and quite a bit younger than Gregor, and he had £500 to blow on something even stupider.
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< 1301662156 707344 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not rich, but fiscal responsibility keeps you well in the black when feasible.
< 1301662165 559729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say you were rich.
< 1301662178 11547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But purely being fiscally responsible is not nearly enough to be able to throw $500 for a novelty domain.
< 1301662195 255777 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes it is.
< 1301662204 478488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is not.
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< 1301662231 918372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in fairness, you are not really the one who I would trust to have the clearest grip on finance.
< 1301662250 703544 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, then I just fall into money. It rains from the sky because the Money Gods love me.
< 1301662301 89179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Money Gods/parents/ and you have a plausible hypothesis...
< 1301662304 609607 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1301662306 991682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I'll say on the matter.
< 1301662308 714399 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents have no freaking money.
< 1301662311 316547 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loan money to my parents.
< 1301662358 825805 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it was there money, I sure as hell wouldn't be using it for libc.so :P
< 1301662362 476369 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *their
< 1301662367 734024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tomscott.com/stabbed/
< 1301662374 929238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 4/5.
< 1301662439 571067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game is impossible.
< 1301662478 211619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming you've been stabbed 5 times.
< 1301662481 844764 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And regarding the previous, also http://p.zem.fi/xcxp
< 1301662516 90567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I've gone at least two years without hearing yet another tedious Weebl & Bob reference.
< 1301662522 753636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, fizzie, you broke my streka.
< 1301662525 159412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my streak.
< 1301662929 341979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : libc\x2Eso: i cry foal! <-- sadly I was away when you said this, however had I been there, a pun about the current day would have been in order (hamming distance of 1 after all...)
< 1301662977 131588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, so did you get the domain? Or is it still up for auction?
< 1301663006 411131 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtf
< 1301663025 389186 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How do you manage to consistently be weeks out of date :P
< 1301663067 474345 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's been up for auction for weeks, the auction started on Sunday. Now it's at $575 and a chat room full of people who've never actually had a job or lived away from home are telling me it's not worth it.
< 1301663156 854982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: because it isn't worth it
< 1301663199 730353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said it wasn't worth it, what i said was something else entirely
< 1301663202 173964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, yes, ais has never lived away from home or had a job.
< 1301663212 303280 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1301663228 218665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have a job at the moment
< 1301663231 922556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah
< 1301663266 541520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, that was sarcasm to show how stupid Gregor's statement was.
< 1301663333 894958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28-1%29^%281%2F3%29
< 1301663337 57637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL MATHEMATICA
< 1301663397 529187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out where bitcoin fits in the gnome hierarchy
< 1301663406 927102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess wherever other financial programs go, but I don't know where that is
< 1301663449 169490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are financial programs?
< 1301663512 440569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnucash?
< 1301663629 831320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to generate coins
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< 1301665407 173060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you want a nice mold?
< 1301665422 363676 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what awesomeness can I do with libdl.so? :(
< 1301665425 841068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1301665430 780526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: reddit
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< 1301666608 659343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you lost the auction, or you're going to lose it?
< 1301666651 345068 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The auction hasn't ended and I'm not up to my max, but I project an extremely low chance of winning.
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< 1301667980 575037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esr is definitely male, right?
< 1301667991 490070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my Facebook account seems to be haemorrhaging its backlog of unaccepted friend requests.
< 1301667997 975383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I'm /that/ crazy about pronouns
< 1301668023 419069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/crazy/obnoxious/
< 1301668095 643339 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/obnoxious/pastiche/
< 1301668116 9092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an adjective, is it?
< 1301668135 168701 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeesh, Phantom_Hoover is SO pastiche.
< 1301668144 782080 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because he's locked in his matrix of solidity.
< 1301668160 267393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary agrees.
< 1301668237 366595 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1301668238 994688 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pastiche.
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< 1301669571 129154 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, esr is female
< 1301669592 331467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: too late, I already referred to her with a male pronoun!
< 1301669620 290255 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Main_Page
< 1301669621 904480 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eric, short for Erica.
< 1301669627 736825 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nobody can look at the recent changes any more
< 1301669633 276908 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, comments on a postcard^W/msg only
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< 1301670227 426223 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 NICK :elliott
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< 1301670937 457525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to sandbox Chrome tabs?
< 1301671289 924580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder if the urban dictionary redesign to look similar to wikipedia is special for today...
< 1301671304 501841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if it been this for long
< 1301671453 886958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xkcd 3D trick with javascript looks quite cool
< 1301671471 39790 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like APNIC is nicely down today. Waiting for the graph to update... :-)
< 1301671572 615355 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway: 128k+64k to Japan, 4M(!!!) to China, 8k+4k to South Korea.
< 1301671618 989224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare last two answers.
< 1301671697 128593 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preliminary calculation gives down 0.27.
< 1301671842 152095 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. 25% of the address space gone in a single day.
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< 1301671952 773317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just converted a video to a sequence of PNG files representing individual frames, tar/gzipped it (deduplicating repeated frames), uuencoded, and posted it on sprunge
< 1301671955 734759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something wrong with me?
< 1301671992 859608 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The preliminary figures would mean down 0.83(!) in a single week.
< 1301672001 570740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1301672005 257384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's /hope/ it's April Fool's
< 1301672039 882345 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this extended delegated file is dated 2nd April...
< 1301672047 350564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1301672051 775775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is April 2 somewhere
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< 1301672340 147180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5984 is quite awesome (rfc from today)
< 1301672764 281756 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol, APNIC page has pie graph updated (0.78 left indeed) but bar graph hasn't.
< 1301673130 360780 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the bar graph also updated. Indeed, down 0.27.
< 1301673299 821180 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logaritmic space available: /8.353
< 1301673357 715610 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/graphical-information ... That shows 1.78, but that doesn't take the final 1.00 into account.
< 1301673395 13527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so what is the prediction date now?
< 1301673398 529356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few days? weeks?
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< 1301673529 413679 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict Tuesday 12th April.
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< 1301673705 178519 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, this model would estimate about 768 addresses left on Monday 11th. Of course, this process is discrete to the max.
< 1301673950 267306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[There's also a couple of other reasons a perfect AI doesn't exist, not least the NP-completeness of the problem.]]
< 1301673950 432876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :— TV Tropes
< 1301673950 433055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not well-versed in complexity theory, but that sounds stupidly wrong.
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< 1301673994 265196 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we verify that "perfect AI" is correct in polynomial time?
< 1301674027 399564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the context is Minesweeper.
< 1301674051 902970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-completeness might imply that a perfect AI would take impractically long to run
< 1301674065 466137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has no bearing on perfectness.
< 1301674082 334043 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imply that "exist" here doesn't refer to theoretical existence, but actual existence.
< 1301674096 106487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? the whole point of the NP-completeness proof in Minesweeper is that it's NP-complete for finding if a solution exists
< 1301674110 982065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies that you can't find a solution, in general, in polynomial time, as that would imply that a solution did exist
< 1301674137 472288 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but you still /can/, it'll just take forever, making it not worth the effort.
< 1301674160 717075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, I read the line as meaning that nobody had written a perfect AI
< 1301674292 259837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, noöne *has*, but that's nothing to do with NP-completeness, and more to do with Minesweeper being random.
< 1301674311 170944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with the nothing there
< 1301674328 496992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely that a NetHack program will become a restricted-tape Turing machine by chance
< 1301674334 256090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, Minesweeper game
< 1301674340 982752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's possible, and if it fails on that, it isn't perfect
< 1301674358 216533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...perfect means polynomial now?
< 1301674392 561720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, but exponential means unlikely to run in a reasonable time
< 1301674395 518672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there'd be no way to test it
< 1301674407 796564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still allows the existence of a perfect AI.
< 1301674445 16476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: even if it allows the /existence/, if it makes it impractical, it explains why it hasn't been written
< 1301674468 54087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the article said it was *impossible* because of that.
< 1301674511 128127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it says "doesn't exist", that's different from "cannot exist"
< 1301674529 657662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, right enough.
< 1301674530 943264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is impractical explaining that X doesn't exist is an entirely valid argument
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< 1301677856 897553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.johnmwillis.com/other/top-10-worst-captchas/
< 1301677860 989885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe comment 12.
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< 1301678587 691053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the calculus question using partial derivatives? Does that make any difference in the answer/
< 1301678668 576886 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... did I just reveal that I understand math a little better than some commentor?
< 1301678703 640081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess what e's saying makes sense if you haven't seen the notation before
< 1301678711 877258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: with one variable, it doesn't matter whether you use partial or normal derivatives
< 1301678722 622879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in some fields, like engineering, they typically use partials for whatever reason in that case
< 1301678746 355233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 'coz engineers r dum.
< 1301678761 771051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has anyone here tried to run GNU Hurd yet?
< 1301678769 241326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I believe the release announcement
< 1301678866 598125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, with 2 variables, does .. it just become incorrect to use normal derivative notation?
< 1301678878 835754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it means something else
< 1301678881 780836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't remember the details
< 1301678946 839843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, WP has the answers as usual, although I've forgotten them since I looked them up.
< 1301678955 756994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDEs are boring anyway.
< 1301678981 99069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the multivariable calculus I'm doing with the OCW thing will be more than Partial Derivatives, right?
< 1301678991 176371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea.
< 1301678991 897000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly never took higher level diffeq and i'm fine!
< 1301679008 794277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never bothered to look into multivariable calculus.
< 1301679716 425549 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301679802 505210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is March 32 today, isn't it?
< 1301679807 776120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1301679822 868293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sep 6422, if you prefer to count that way
< 1301679976 119310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say it is April 1 today, but actually it is March 32. April 1 has been cancelled.
< 1301680224 207706 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129094.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301680226 392881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, we have the thinkgeek3d sweepstakes (completely real!) to make up for it
< 1301680260 46270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOTD now has ASCII art. It also has the message "VmlldyBwYWdlIHNvdXJjZSwgeW91bmcgZ3Jhc3Nob3BwZXIu"
< 1301680270 810065 :cheater00!~cheater@g229031073.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1301680280 407909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :decode it
< 1301680282 282112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the prize
< 1301680283 249657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gogogo
< 1301680337 909312 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did decode it
< 1301680392 769763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1301680395 363249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the prize
< 1301680455 159940 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to do with it, once it is decoded
< 1301680514 878524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: join #defocus and say !join, and there's a CAPTCHAbot that gives some sort of quiz
< 1301680557 711692 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1301680558 78953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought it was just a mafia game
< 1301680576 959774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, perhaps
< 1301680707 352748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1301680840 977569 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : JIIbH01UGxIvZ1cAGGOjp1xjLmExI0y6H1uJJx0lBGWnFTf1IyMjI2SVIzuJZQIiJGVkHzEJo3yvERR9
< 1301681338 454542 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MOTD message is referring to the blog page's source code.
< 1301681360 248198 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one at http://blog.freenode.net/2011/04/important-service-announcement-regarding-defocus/
< 1301681387 110155 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I pasted the decoded versions of two of the three things that are in that page's source.
< 1301681453 694940 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/xcxp and http://p.zem.fi/d98k -- feel free to go on and solve the Cat Enigma.
< 1301681486 434459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would sort-of guess that they'd have gotten the ten solutions already. (Though come to think of it I haven't seen any more global notices.)
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< 1301681789 273239 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC burned through 2.678 during last 30 days???
< 1301682252 482733 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To paraphrase popular phrase: Allocate baby allocate. :-)
< 1301682635 646964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to add feature to TeXnicard so that it can work without external programs (but keeping the way using external program, too), by adding some commands for image manipulation and for typesetting using some algorithms of TeX. However I do not want to include any external libraries other than the one I can include with source-codes and compiling together with TeXnicard, and without floating point.
< 1301682684 735498 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to tell git that a file has been renamed?
< 1301682775 168113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: git mv a
< 1301682776 509718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: git mv a b
< 1301682855 444212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently I need a newer yasm
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< 1301683266 427282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What does it mean if a GPU computation program has an option to "use vectors"?
< 1301683417 73519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my guess is it means vectorised operations, like the SIMD instructions in recent x86-compatible processors
< 1301683426 742015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be CPU not GPU
< 1301683430 975583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OpenCL
< 1301683435 83789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301683442 529290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think OpenCL can do both, but this is explicitly a GPU program
< 1301683443 792663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it's a weird name for something else I've never heard of
< 1301683465 868845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's ideal on some AMD cards at least
< 1301683469 595407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no word about nvidia
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< 1301683501 556341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be a reference to memory coalescing
< 1301683520 482580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef VECTORS
< 1301683520 645729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef uint2 u;
< 1301683520 811837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else
< 1301683520 812007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef uint u;
< 1301683520 812114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif
< 1301683525 320591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the way that you can request a block of memory and it's as fast as requesting a single byte, because it's typelineable
< 1301683529 908977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef VECTORS
< 1301683530 152308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : nonce = base + get_global_id(0) + (uint2)(0, 0x80000000U);
< 1301683530 315794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else
< 1301683530 315969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : nonce = base + get_global_id(0);
< 1301683530 316079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif
< 1301683534 585997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it is
< 1301683545 11498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's forcing the two units next to each other in memory
< 1301683553 371222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that almost universally a good thing, or does it depend on the card?
< 1301683556 169095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they can be coalesced
< 1301683586 454959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to be using two ints anyway, together, it makes sense to vectorise them
< 1301683590 719860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're used separately a lot, it doesn't
< 1301683615 796394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all cards react much the same way on that
< 1301683636 78329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is too insane for me to naalyze like that
< 1301683641 679507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : B = B + (rotr(G, 6) ^ rotr(G, 11) ^ rotr(G, 25)) + (A ^ (G & (H ^ A))) + K[54] + W6; F = F + B; B = B + (rotr(C, 2) ^ rotr(C, 13) ^ rotr(C, 22)) + ((C & D) | (E & (C | D)));
< 1301683641 845453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : W7 = W7 + (rotr(W8, 7) ^ rotr(W8, 18) ^ (W8 >> 3U)) + W0 + (rotr(W5, 17) ^ rotr(W5, 19) ^ (W5 >> 10U));
< 1301683642 390274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : A = A + (rotr(F, 6) ^ rotr(F, 11) ^ rotr(F, 25)) + (H ^ (F & (G ^ H))) + K[55] + W7; E = E + A; A = A + (rotr(B, 2) ^ rotr(B, 13) ^ rotr(B, 22)) + ((B & C) | (D & (B | C)));
< 1301683642 390479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : W8 = W8 + (rotr(W9, 7) ^ rotr(W9, 18) ^ (W9 >> 3U)) + W1 + (rotr(W6, 17) ^ rotr(W6, 19) ^ (W6 >> 10U));
< 1301683644 181210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : H = H + (rotr(E, 6) ^ rotr(E, 11) ^ rotr(E, 25)) + (G ^ (E & (F ^ G))) + K[56] + W8; D = D + H; H = H + (rotr(A, 2) ^ rotr(A, 13) ^ rotr(A, 22)) + ((A & B) | (C & (A | B)));
< 1301683647 176714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analyze
< 1301683649 468308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analyse :-P
< 1301683678 740946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow @ the resulting assembly file
< 1301683859 434854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You sound terrified :-P
< 1301683872 88970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise I sounded anything
< 1301683878 383843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that sort of thing looks almost normal
< 1301683882 643032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it those are thread-local variables?
< 1301683897 151881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :function local, the function is __kernel
< 1301683904 590281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kernel void search( const uint state0, const uint state1, const uint state2, const uint state3,
< 1301683904 754663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint state4, const uint state5, const uint state6, const uint state7,
< 1301683904 754851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint B1, const uint C1, const uint D1,
< 1301683904 754958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint F1, const uint G1, const uint H1,
< 1301683904 755066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint targetG, const uint targetH,
< 1301683905 178238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, thread-local
< 1301683905 558584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint base,
< 1301683907 555532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint fW0, const uint fW1, const uint fW2, const uint fW3, const uint fW15, const uint fW01r, const uint fcty_e, const uint fcty_e2,
< 1301683910 704832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : __global uint * output)
< 1301683912 604250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an impressive signature
< 1301683921 279787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd have some sort of indicator if they weren't
< 1301683946 740024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's about a hundred lines like the above in a row, though :)
< 1301683949 856987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like macros could help.
< 1301683978 902717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrolled loop
< 1301683998 991849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: again, i feel like macros could help :-P
< 1301684009 696186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CUDA actually has C++-style templates, despite being mostly based on C, precisely to shorten that sort of thing
< 1301684021 142562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this advanced technology and it's being defeated by an http timeout...
< 1301684146 494900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd
< 1301684191 169706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def if_else(condition, trueVal, falseVal):
< 1301684191 436299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if condition:
< 1301684191 601429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return trueVal
< 1301684191 601617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else:
< 1301684191 601726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return falseVal
< 1301684202 224698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel good about this code already.
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< 1301684636 689696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, GPUs are pretty good
< 1301684649 331592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately 10x as good as CPUs, even :-P
< 1301684651 267768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're much better than CPUs, just hard to write for
< 1301684665 280042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. and they slow down your desktop when you use them! sheesh
< 1301684670 422970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for things that are maximally optimal for GPUs compared to CPUs, it's more like 100x
< 1301684685 939221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what essentially amounts to hash-cracking on the small, I think
< 1301684687 368577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Hashcash
< 1301684701 228107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not quite 10x as good as my cpu, more like 5x, because i have two cores
< 1301684727 895080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, maybe compiz will get less lag than metacity
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< 1301684954 552818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiz doesn't like being turned on when the GPU is being thrashed
< 1301684971 24935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very easy to crash a GPU by mistake
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< 1301684982 704380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they don't have all the OSy stuff that CPUs have nowadays
< 1301684991 944781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will ruin their throughput? :-D
< 1301684993 280466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a crashed GPU mostly forces you to reboot the computer if you want the screen to work
< 1301685002 196346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it worked, just, i could only see my mouse
< 1301685003 850788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah, I just don't think people have got round to doing it yet
< 1301685006 840441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it changed cursor when moving over texty parts)
< 1301685009 825326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just that and the background, no windows
< 1301685012 754525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, then it was just being overloaded
< 1301685052 969060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, my gpu is a bit of a weakling
< 1301685067 569439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite being basically the best *integrated* laptop gpu out there :)
< 1301685076 319854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a choice of this performing well, or a smooth desktop
< 1301685163 225131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems to be getting marginally better
< 1301685173 272538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that one of my query windows just went blank
< 1301685184 372452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do gpus have any sort of "hey, i have no memory left" protection? :D
< 1301685190 269683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, they just crash
< 1301685200 714169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, it didn't actually clear
< 1301685204 373624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're lucky, the supervisor process on the CPU will notice and be able to put things back in order
< 1301685208 678251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have hit Ctrl+L by mistake
< 1301685264 161902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, the supervisor process normally notices if it's running at the time, although it may not be able to put things back to normal depending on how badly crashed the GPU is
< 1301685420 66540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries 1/90 single kernel execution seconds
< 1301685435 147801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay my desktop is basically usable now
< 1301685439 665561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet more reason to use ratpoison!
< 1301685456 452147 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
< 1301685458 717154 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$825 :'(
< 1301685499 307410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth it, put all your money into it
< 1301685503 300447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, don't
< 1301685505 844228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy it for ten thousand dollars
< 1301685510 642848 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still below my max, but not by much.
< 1301685511 764996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give up hookers for a year if you must
< 1301685516 266092 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all but to concede defeat :(
< 1301685539 639738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that's still below my max" ;; surely at this point you can admit that it's an insane amount of money to be spending
< 1301685555 110962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's /80 years/ of normal average domain
< 1301685558 246087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a normal domain
< 1301685558 423600 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly not my money, people who aren't douchebags have been donating :P
< 1301685591 884456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, it's estimating that switching to the gpu was a lose
< 1301685607 879848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite it being 5x as fast
< 1301685651 972143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should turn on that vectors thing... and change the worksize :)
< 1301685697 586686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can I have a GPU farm?
< 1301685699 692516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THX
< 1301685707 489227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "that vectors thing" is a massive pessimisation
< 1301685713 283193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, I do have access to a GPU farm, but I'd be in trouble if I used it for /that/
< 1301685722 114802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it looks like it's changing the algo
< 1301685731 754826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to one that's slower but sped up more by coalescing
< 1301685752 928435 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was $825 of my own money, then yes, that would be a lot.
< 1301685759 126679 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have friends that are actually friends.
< 1301685762 150554 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike you bastards :P
< 1301685784 833166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /that/?! YOU MEAN HELPING YOUR FRIEND? ;______________________________________________________________________________________________________;
< 1301685791 258054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am morbidly obese.)
< 1301685813 699794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so it's $825 of your friends' money?
< 1301685815 524351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's worse
< 1301685835 796688 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wawawareya
< 1301685853 49205 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WTF is wrong with you, seriously. You have so little money sense it's almost offensive.
< 1301685858 26964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has 15 friends who would give him $20 for a novelty email address?
< 1301685872 450849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 * 20 is just $300
< 1301685875 365713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :money sense, n. spending $825 of your friends' money on a novelty domain name
< 1301685896 658318 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They gave small donations and I'm giving them a vanity email address in return, it's friendly and they're trying to help me out.
< 1301686013 762058 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO you don't read, it's not $825 of my friend's money, I said that's /mostly/ my friend's money. That only means it's at least $413 of theirs.
< 1301686064 50202 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It happens to be more, but you people are so frustratingly unhelpful and assholish that I'm not going to give a value)
< 1301686099 233647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is it us who's being assholish, for trying to give you good advice rather than waste money chasing domain names?
< 1301686117 717126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things #esoteric has said to Gregor:
< 1301686120 122503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) It's too much money.
< 1301686124 805469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) It's a waste of money.
< 1301686135 966117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) No, fiscal responsibility alone does not give you sufficient money to throw away like that.
< 1301686143 816802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSHOLES
< 1301686192 151779 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is unfriendly behavior towards someone who DOES have the money, and DOES NOT have the money through magic or pulling it out of his god damn ass, to want to buy something to make him happy.
< 1301686239 502760 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "never spend substantial amounts of money on anything that does not have intrinsic value" is a very poor piece of advice if you'd like to actually enjoy life at all.
< 1301686266 987721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I tend not to spend substantial amounts of money even on things that do have intrinsic value
< 1301686277 265472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've also been bugging us for donations, not just saying you're buying it
< 1301686365 474442 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spends a moment breathing :P
< 1301686396 703024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's up to $825 now?
< 1301686425 978745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and Gregor is now in a bitter argument with elliott and ais523.
< 1301686449 382792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think donating all the money I made in SL may not be a good idea
< 1301686463 970584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made money in SL?
< 1301686468 841173 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sealand)
< 1301686487 89760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Second Life)
< 1301686495 92540 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chooses to believe Sealand.
< 1301686496 544064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not much, especially considering the amount of time involved)
< 1301686497 441687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, he has, like, £160.
< 1301686507 122121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01/04/2011 20:34:48, fc342b63, accepted
< 1301686508 350074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M RICH
< 1301686518 237268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, BitCoins?
< 1301686529 996753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg and another... actually I think it just found work this second :P
< 1301686538 74468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes X-D
< 1301686546 764515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My poor GPU is squealing.
< 1301686554 952447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes me want to go down to the coal mines.
< 1301686559 126390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I could just play Minecraft.
< 1301686566 938908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually gold mines but I don't think we have gold mines in England.
< 1301686592 586677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how much is that one coin worth?
< 1301686592 835245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU score: 0.01534
< 1301686595 360329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU score: 2157.0000
< 1301686595 752802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any transaction fees? (Yeah, I know that currently transaction fees are minimal compared to .. what's it called? The 50)
< 1301686597 937930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't have a coin yet X-D
< 1301686604 219371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is pooled mining.
< 1301686610 344793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (In non-pooled mining, you get 50 coins at a time. Very slowly.)
< 1301686626 173523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're constructing a batch of coins together and splitting them?
< 1301686637 746090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, thought you were doing it yourself
< 1301686638 810267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, a bunch of people contribute to the mining of one block
< 1301686641 632676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a distributed cluster
< 1301686649 867719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rewards are distributed according to how much work they did, etc.
< 1301686653 575569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1301686666 149645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the combined result is essentially a supercomputer, it gets far more blocks than any one person (who would be unlikely to ever get one with only one computer)
< 1301686676 289338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often does that cluster find coins?
< 1301686698 155063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re: worth; as far as exchange goes, 1 USD = 1.26 BTC; 1 EUR = 1.64 BTC; 1 BTC = L$220 (going to L$; too lazy to work out the reverse)
< 1301686715 13629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(YES, SECOND LIFE'S CURRENCY IS TOTALLY ON THE SAME LEVEL AS DOLLARS X-D)
< 1301686728 680648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 1 gram of gold is 48.54 BTC X-D
< 1301686742 884978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to mine a block at a time the way it works? or can you find just the one coin then stop?
< 1301686773 748565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have to mine a block at a time, but I believe it's an incremental process, and possibly even distributed
< 1301686777 633264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the spoils go to one winner
< 1301686789 463255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the spoils decrease and the difficulty increases as time goes on, before all bitcoins have been distributed into the market)
< 1301686836 221168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but with pool mining, the problems your node has to solve are much smaller
< 1301686842 802468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a lot faster
< 1301686849 238870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still seems to be a waste of time to use a CPU, though
< 1301686853 458800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so it isn't just hashcash-style
< 1301686860 314201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I don't know the actual protocol yet
< 1301686867 266447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's something like finding a hash with no zeroes, that's involved
< 1301686877 663196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some base, presumably)
< 1301686899 58108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, the analogue to the sg finding-a-tip problem is that you have to go from the first block ever created to the last
< 1301686904 19151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think there's like one block per transaction
< 1301686914 929265 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game is this for? i can't read up
< 1301686920 204445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not a game
< 1301686926 490861 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it?
< 1301686928 340233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have no clever solution to it though (I'm not even sure a clever solution is desirable), they just walk from the first block to the latest
< 1301686929 679480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: bitcoin
< 1301686940 592512 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is it
< 1301686954 859737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: cryptographic, decentralised currency
< 1301686974 244297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in actual use -- you can donate to the EFF with it, buy gold with it, convert it to USD/EUR, etc.
< 1301687009 33112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic, so why does it involve mining?
< 1301687018 91372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm*
< 1301687018 680600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, that's how it's produced
< 1301687022 483633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: mining = solving a bunch of cryptographic problems :P
< 1301687025 764506 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no central bank
< 1301687027 754829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading you to a valid bitcoin
< 1301687032 10585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:37:56: How often does that cluster find coins?
< 1301687032 192264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1301687034 306613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all the time, I think
< 1301687040 211858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/
< 1301687058 929978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia is unable to comprehend any token of exchange that doesn't involve siderophilic elements.
< 1301687072 629722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the system takes 2% to give to the owner for upkeep
< 1301687078 74415 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm reading up on it
< 1301687080 467086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 1 BTC
< 1301687106 359896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other pools, but this one seems decent
< 1301687107 823588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they make you solve those problems to slow the rate at which the currency enters circulation
< 1301687108 782437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason people get paid to mine is because they're supporting the network. Each mined block contains previous transactions
< 1301687119 76365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there are others that give a quicker payout in the short-run, but meh
< 1301687132 524060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not that they make you, it's that it's literally built in to the protocol
< 1301687142 841426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: and there has to be _some_ problem involved, or the first person could just award themselves every bitcoin :-D
< 1301687144 831104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes sure
< 1301687203 518612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you're making real money by doing nothing, the same way you would by investing real money in a hedge fund or commodities
< 1301687218 71197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not doing nothing. Providing resources to the network
< 1301687224 529768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's not doing nothing, it's doing nothing of intrinsic value
< 1301687229 188383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the actual computation is wasted
< 1301687230 258282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but does that really matter? you can get it in other ways far quicker
< 1301687242 912573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by trading existing currency, offering services (apparently some people will actually pay you in bitcoins already), ...
< 1301687257 154325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only relevant for the first few years, after which there won't be any to distribute anyway
< 1301687272 977765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there will still be transaction fees
< 1301687275 258178 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: providing resources to the network requires no effort, therefore it is doing nothing
< 1301687280 386036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: anyway, by the same token most office jobs are doing ntohing :-P
< 1301687281 388794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nothing
< 1301687286 507093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you work as a farmer?
< 1301687294 802122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: It's not doing nothing, it's doing nothing of intrinsic value
< 1301687300 393637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "intrinsic value".
< 1301687306 544488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the way it's working is that everyone checks the block, looking for perfect or imperfect bitcoins (ones with a few or several bits wrong)
< 1301687311 363486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i do nothing, and i don't get paid for it
< 1301687311 526807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's difficult :P But I don't think many people are interested in various cryptographic results.
< 1301687328 256542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when someone finds a perfect one, it's split between everyone in the ratio of the imperfect ones they found, which are valueless
< 1301687336 116554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but they can easily benefit from them.
< 1301687343 119546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah; that's not how the protocol itself works, though
< 1301687349 346670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know for a fact that only one person wins a block.
< 1301687359 459081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed
< 1301687360 275522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one token thnig
< 1301687361 909215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thin
< 1301687363 77437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing
< 1301687365 134611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "address"
< 1301687457 889252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's utterly hilarious that the bitcoin homepage has a flattr link
< 1301687470 472816 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which block did your group find?
< 1301687478 490999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're replacing that, I think, with a development-oriented page
< 1301687481 991244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.weusecoins.com/ is the new "marketing" site
< 1301687487 176984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with obligatory cute videos
< 1301687508 882186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worrying that more or less the currency's entire value depends on how good it is at marketing
< 1301687520 326198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only in the short-term
< 1301687526 554871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, that's true with _all_ currencies!
< 1301687526 719866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott?
< 1301687540 240287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the ones that don't have an actual backing
< 1301687547 851791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i.e. all of them?
< 1301687548 15258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that makes no sense!
< 1301687549 781632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but very few (no?) currencies are backed by something that's really valuable
< 1301687552 643671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: say pounds were backed by gold
< 1301687557 561332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dur, it's on the pool's site
< 1301687557 974271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what use is gold? not much
< 1301687558 139307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gold is also a bubble
< 1301687563 837239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people value it higher than its uses (which do exist)
< 1301687566 458924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing has intrinsic value
< 1301687569 937968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000261ec3e461516103db3e359519e3cc6149ff5d3af63855465c66
< 1301687570 973870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: things only have value because we find them useful
< 1301687574 539823 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301687574 782616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what? fiat currencies have value
< 1301687576 455475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're useful
< 1301687582 777919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if nothing has intrinsic value then what is the point of the concept?
< 1301687588 230686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there is no point of the concept :)
< 1301687596 302710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was using it with a meaning that I don't even know earlier)
< 1301687604 256287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only useful concept is human value
< 1301687608 521087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fiat currencies definitely have that
< 1301687611 606977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'd consider things like food to be intrinsically valuable
< 1301687616 21888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1301687621 932863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that people require it to live
< 1301687622 410896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're useful because we find eating them to be a rather good thing
< 1301687627 47210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we find staying alive to be a good thing
< 1301687630 422885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still nothing objective there
< 1301687650 390303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :currency is just abstraction of work; if you can work for a currency, and use the currency to buy the product of work, then that currency is valuable
< 1301687655 719191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiat currencies no less
< 1301687671 43030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, would you consider the barter system to make sense?
< 1301687678 925413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, bitcoin is better than a "normal" fiat currency system
< 1301687682 646305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody can control its value
< 1301687685 461271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(directly)
< 1301687700 480815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the barter system is better than no kind of currency system at all, but definitely suboptimal
< 1301687706 535064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I suspect its value would be much more liable to being manipulated than otherwise
< 1301687707 668144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1301687709 163582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define barter system
< 1301687714 208551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what, bitcoins? howso?
< 1301687720 804003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could drive the value very high the same way you can drive the value of shares high, by buying a lot of bitcoins quickly
< 1301687727 717867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for more than everyone else thinks they're worth
< 1301687734 963672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people then trust those trades, you could sell them on at a profit
< 1301687739 19954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cause a collapse later
< 1301687744 784476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very risky, but it's been successfully done with other things
< 1301687761 264495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees
< 1301687767 643142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know that they have yet
< 1301687787 22199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this one is still in progress
< 1301687793 953908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the statement that they'll keep getting more valuable with time is very worrying; the fact that it's going up rather than down as more are created means that public perception of the value is changing rapidly
< 1301687825 251057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they get valuable after the distribution stops
< 1301687828 978272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, generation
< 1301687851 358771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that supposed to be many many years from now?
< 1301687912 511028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and they get harder to get as distribution goes on
< 1301687917 308243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the rewards are less and the problems more difficult
< 1301687922 909689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's all
< 1301687928 391417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not many, AFAIK
< 1301687937 312440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I don't think
< 1301687950 498682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, singularity institute also accept bitcoin donations :)
< 1301687987 52598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, transaction fees are optional
< 1301688026 275050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that does much good unless someone runs a miner that doesn't require fees
< 1301688057 159896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um, as in, you can send bitcoins without transactions
< 1301688063 610476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Because nodes have no obligation to include transactions in the blocks they generate, Bitcoin senders may voluntarily pay a transaction fee. Doing so will speed up the transaction and provide incentive for users to run nodes, especially as the difficulty of generating bitcoins increases or the reward per block amount decreases over time. Nodes collect the transaction fees associated with all transactions included in their candidate block.")
< 1301688128 720609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nodes are free to reject transactions without a fee if they wish
< 1301688137 239184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a free market like thingy
< 1301688308 282174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the way bitcoin works is that everyone has a history of everything that's happened, and it's cryptographically hard to update
< 1301688315 517348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301688323 981763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you manage to update it, you get some free bitcoins as a reward for doing the work in question
< 1301688344 67762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, you fooled *us*! Have some bitcoins!"
< 1301688354 971941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's basically an attempt to construct a monad in cryptographic security
< 1301688364 60587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU THINK EVERYTHING'S A MONAD
< 1301688370 151189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just things that are
< 1301688382 15749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transaction histories /aren't/, bitcoin's an attempt to make them act like one
< 1301688397 453867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more turning transactions into a linked list
< 1301688405 530493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is to prevent the list forking
< 1301688418 525166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, people put computational power into forcing their own version of events
< 1301688420 419052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a linked list addressed by cryptographic hashes
< 1301688438 39631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could only fork if you regenerated every event after too, I think
< 1301688438 394953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a doubly linked list, as that wouldn't make sense
< 1301688452 416288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: blocks have the hash of the last block in them
< 1301688453 582880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, you can just fork at any point by generating a block
< 1301688457 683828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1301688473 85367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/but/, if your block chain is easier to generate than the one that most people think is the chain, nobody will pay attention to it
< 1301688483 86115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever chain is the most difficult to generate is the official version of events
< 1301688517 979658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone extends that one as it's the only one other people accept, which means it keeps getting longer and longer, and harder and harder to catch
< 1301688534 451742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Every block contains a hash of the previous block. This has the effect of creating a chain of blocks from the genesis block to the current block. Each block is guaranteed to come after the previous block chronologically because the previous block's hash would otherwise not be known. Each block is also nearly impossible to modify once it has been in the chain for a while because every block after it would also have to be regenerated. These
< 1301688534 637420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : properties are what make double-spending of bitcoins very difficult. The block chain is the main innovation of Bitcoin.
< 1301688536 183316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bitcoin relies on the fact that no single entity can control most of the CPU power on the network for any significant length of time, since, if they could, they would be able to extend any branch of the tree they chose, and faster than any other branch can be extended, making it the longest branch, and then permanently controlling which transactions appear in it."
< 1301688554 142783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, you can pick any block you like as the "previous block" when generating them
< 1301688667 740141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, it seems cryptographically sound.
< 1301688681 5892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think it makes sense cryptographically
< 1301688689 60426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming no hash collisions, which we can hope is the case
< 1301688706 814797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's SHA-256, so that's a pretty good assumption
< 1301688722 272715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC)
< 1301688801 655981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this bitcoin discussion have to do with the freenode prize?
< 1301688811 479266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing at all
< 1301688839 855591 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1301688864 355461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently have 0.05 BTC due to free money being given out :-P
< 1301688864 652898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk
< 1301688900 644951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can i find the latest BTC exchange rates?
< 1301688912 86947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bitcoinwatch.com/
< 1301688924 711074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also http://bitcoincharts.com/
< 1301688929 32774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has fancy market stats
< 1301688933 821811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can pretend to be a REAL trader
< 1301688973 181566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, buying lots of ridiculously overpowerful hardware and then sitting at a computer screen into the night just became profitable
< 1301688992 382766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the world population growth rate to plummet
< 1301688997 868277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/suspect/something/
< 1301689054 14074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it though?
< 1301689060 961768 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301689069 781485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Is it what? Profitable?
< 1301689086 83354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; people who are doing it are pretty serious :-P
< 1301689102 765965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would you have to attend it?
< 1301689103 319897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect that you wouldn't be able to mine enough BTC in the short time that new blocks have so much value to recoup the cost of the hardware and electricity
< 1301689106 501995 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i'm wrong
< 1301689138 352005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, after a while, new blocks won't generate coins
< 1301689144 257757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: traders spend all day looking at screens with white on black and red and blue :-P
< 1301689147 807557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, people will be paid to generate them by people doing transactions
< 1301689148 201494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can do that with bitcoins!
< 1301689159 688761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can
< 1301689168 814141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you do a transaction, you need to bribe the people making blocks to include it
< 1301689169 649660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if you buy a handful of high-end GPUs
< 1301689179 902368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the person at the other end has no way to know if it's confirmed or not
< 1301689187 678561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus, whether you're double-spending or not
< 1301689219 93817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now person #2 has assumed I'm talking about a game when I mentioned bitcoins
< 1301689226 488777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE NAME PERHAPS REQUIRES IMPROVEMENT
< 1301689229 516002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301689231 982239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most purely digital currenices are game-related
< 1301689232 299739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1301689234 99437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like TotallySeriousBitCurrencyYo.
< 1301689235 627021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mining"
< 1301689237 879573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't mention that :P
< 1301689239 763801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, that's awesome.
< 1301689253 250813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have a wealth of mining /games/
< 1301689270 129856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In fact I want my screensaver to be a picture of a cute little android mining at a big ol' block of bitcoins.
< 1301689278 126208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With little coins falling out of it.
< 1301689282 364631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a good metaphor
< 1301689284 963919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the actual data.
< 1301689286 79152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :minting would be closer
< 1301689287 735125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be much better if you could get a bunch of clients cooperating to mine games, rather than coins
< 1301689287 899107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WOULD BE AWESOME
< 1301689294 431861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably be cheaper than making games by hand
< 1301689295 237800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat
< 1301689297 265814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1301689309 86129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it'd produce something actually useful then, people like playing games
< 1301689318 356741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i support this idea
< 1301689336 309752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wouldn't that involve a very expensive algorithm that generates a new game?
< 1301689339 902774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve
< 1301689343 9752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would take a very long time to mine a single game though
< 1301689351 177897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine the games being written in SHAfuck
< 1301689357 779480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course, you think generating a good game is easy?
< 1301689374 220328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can determine how good the game is by how many person-hours are spent playing it
< 1301689382 359566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: somehow I'm relieved that nobody from #esoteric invented bitcoins now
< 1301689385 206215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1301689386 858795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO OUR KNOWLEDGE
< 1301689389 639250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wouldn't it be better to have a rating system?
< 1301689390 133381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then do the rest of the setup the same way as bitcoin
< 1301689397 155016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can determine how good the game is by how many person-hours are spent playing it
< 1301689400 458474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then QWOP would rank as a good game!
< 1301689401 58927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you'd want somethign that couldn't be easily gamed
< 1301689406 437660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: QWOP?
< 1301689410 533885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW
< 1301689414 551524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it requires flash so you can't know
< 1301689424 428130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those highly-addictive but not particularly enjoyable games.
< 1301689424 895610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Dot Action 2 would count as a good game, though that's only debatable, not objectively wrong
< 1301689429 798939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT'S NOT ENJOYABLE AT ALL
< 1301689432 115151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S LIVING HELL
< 1301689437 190091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do people play it?
< 1301689445 339193 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, since i can't seem to find it in these lay intros, exactly what is the problem being solved in the creation of a new block, and how is its difficulty ramped up?
< 1301689451 26278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IT CONSUMES YOUR SOUL
< 1301689457 139981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: look at the non-lay intros :P
< 1301689464 710093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the problem's to find a hash of the previous transaction history that, treated as an integer, is really low
< 1301689469 6793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean the original paper?
< 1301689469 818287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page
< 1301689539 544130 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and how is the difficulty parameterized?
< 1301689552 301427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths wow, this is big
< 1301689574 472102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not sure about the translation to a number, but it's basically finding a hash that's, say, only 0.0001% of the maximum value it could have, rather than more like 50% like you'd expect
< 1301689583 124501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitcoins are worthless because they aren't backed by anything
< 1301689583 386173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold isn't backed by anything either. See myth https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoin_is_backed_by_CPU_cycles
< 1301689593 305454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, i should have just told ais523 to read this :P
< 1301689613 461671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that bitcoin isn't backed by anything
< 1301689635 276547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could only be backed by CPU cycles if they were intrinsically capable of being exchanged for CPU cycles, and they aren't
< 1301689656 134894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the reason I think bitcoin's a bubble is because I think gold's a bubble too
< 1301689666 696880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, most or all Real Life currency
< 1301689677 190798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to find a way to live without currency altogether, so I may as well use what most people use
< 1301689683 54263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all currency is a bubble by your definition
< 1301689688 175585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301689691 514415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inherently
< 1301689691 699801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I not believe that?
< 1301689698 247134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's true, but it's more making the concept of "bubble" useless, rather than saying something deep about currency
< 1301689713 238777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1301689725 85968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and by "finding a hash" that means "choosing a way of hashing" such that the choices are numerous and the particular choice of hashes is specifiable as a small number?
< 1301689727 982027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is useful indefinitely, I find calling it a bubble silly; and there's no reason bitcoin wouldn't be usable indefinitely, if people keep using it, which there seems to be no reason for them to stop doing
< 1301689762 757622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's doesn't seem to be much reason for them to continue doing either
< 1301689791 606347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can append an arbitrary nonce to the data then hash it via a specific hash algo, the difficulty's in finding a nonce for which doing that works
< 1301689798 653266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as much reason as any currency
< 1301689814 378222 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is because it would take a lot of people deciding not to in order to make it no longer worthwhile for anyone to
< 1301689825 270785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it's more useful than having to milk a goat by hand to give milk to the person who you want to buy a coat off
< 1301689829 259280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: except it can happen gradually
< 1301689829 631546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so continuing to do so is a dynamic equilibrium of the system
< 1301689842 662160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a few people decide they don't want to continue to use bitcoin any more, it makes its value go down
< 1301689851 437677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really
< 1301689857 494574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll make more people decide they don't want to use it, and drive its value down further
< 1301689858 759931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not as long as the exchanges are still used
< 1301689858 975056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1301689861 84348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an unstable equilibrium
< 1301689863 343957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway
< 1301689864 884431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure
< 1301689866 179896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but if everyone is using it, what reason do those people have to choose not to use it?
< 1301689868 434336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real currency has the same issue
< 1301689868 607667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but you have to show why that would happen
< 1301689876 124501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL CURRENCY INHERENTLY HAS THAT ISSUE
< 1301689878 345833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason it's tolerated is that people have to use /something/
< 1301689879 803263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I KNOW
< 1301689883 868053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from currencies whose value is somehow determined by one person
< 1301689889 237803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can only be done by that one person selling just about every good
< 1301689893 814974 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, how does a rational player determine that it is rational to stop using bitcoin?
< 1301689896 123646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least forcing people to sell it at a certain price
< 1301689901 418468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, um, people don't like that
< 1301689909 567483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your argument isn't working, because you're trying to convince me that bitcoin is no worse than any real currency, and I'm saying I don't care because real currencies are bad enough
< 1301689911 20828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what I object to is your use of the word "bitcoin"
< 1301689915 391314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should say "currency"
< 1301689919 406240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK
< 1301689949 669090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm going to have to bring out the "if you're so clever then what would you use instead" at this juncture.
< 1301689956 763659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does a rational player determine that it is rational to stop using a particular widespread currency?
< 1301689967 218812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: people aren't rational
< 1301689971 699000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, you made that far too easy
< 1301689972 978712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FWIW, I don't like currency in the general case anyway
< 1301689983 38546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my preferred solution is to eliminate scarcity
< 1301689986 685008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's just superfluous
< 1301689988 986818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but until then...
< 1301689989 693037 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm asking a game theory question here, your objection is overruled
< 1301689996 4896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's worth not using a currency, if what it takes you to obtain that currency is an unfairly large amount of however-you-value-things-in-general compared to what you can buy using it
< 1301690004 251762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hello, this is reality speaking. Humans are not rational. Bye.
< 1301690007 456249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think game theory applies to people deciding to stop using a currency like bitcoin
< 1301690007 620758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may as well give you a stock game theory answer in that case
< 1301690011 849738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are far too many irrational reasons to do it
< 1301690040 572395 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i agree that it does not apply in the real world. could you stop bringing up irrelevancies wrt my game theory question?
< 1301690079 907226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, I like pinging you, it's fun
< 1301690082 827324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping ping ping
< 1301690086 675925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the main rational reason to buy a currency that's been freshly created and that doesn't have much momentum yet, is because you think that other people will try to do the same thing as you but later
< 1301690095 256575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember pulling that sort of trick in nomic occasionally
< 1301690106 550959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, PBA vs. RBoA is probably worth analysing by all economists
< 1301690107 123001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm a bit of a slowpoke, I probably should have jumped in earlier
< 1301690113 182173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gah, I was just thinking about the PBA
< 1301690116 12645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: trying to mentally revise it
< 1301690121 686138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you're a slowpoke, you'll go and dominate the leaderboard
< 1301690124 628860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I wondered about having a bank backed by bitcoins, which sounded like fun
< 1301690129 830100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you get trapped by consistency
< 1301690133 303625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, people would be unlikely to use it
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< 1301690140 90369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, at least, more likely than "real" currency
< 1301690144 965532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite that not being rational
< 1301690151 75067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you saying that for a widespread currency, currency acquisition becomes more expensive than the value of the currency? that seems to contradict the definition of "value"?
< 1301690161 805485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, the PBA is still inherently better than the RBoA, IMO
< 1301690169 645243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it just needs tweaking
< 1301690193 122445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're speaking as if it still exists
< 1301690199 697758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm speaking about it in the abstract
< 1301690202 956471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: indeed, that's why currencies tend not to collapse
< 1301690207 509097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and the PBA did very well for a long time, it was killed by (1) my coding negligence, (2) BobTHJ's everything negligence and (3) the resulting bank run of one by Wooble
< 1301690210 390660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value is based on a circular argument, but it's a persistent one
< 1301690210 952197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1301690214 769245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(3) the collapse of the game, and the
< 1301690215 237507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: what I object to is your use of the word "bitcoin"
< 1301690215 401844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait, what.
< 1301690222 435323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think my connection is gone again.
< 1301690225 547031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't
< 1301690227 664279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the collapse of the economy in general helped too, I think
< 1301690238 618554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's what i said, unless you mean the real world economy
< 1301690241 671716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Phantom_Hoover: because he was objecting to bitcoins in various ways, but they actually applied to every currency
< 1301690247 200795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^Phantom_Hoover: //
< 1301690256 781551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I meant the Agoran economy
< 1301690261 221537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game didn't collapse, just the AAA
< 1301690262 560861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was enough
< 1301690267 116928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the start of the PBA was really interesting, because it was amazing how out of whack the RBoA rates are
< 1301690270 893872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1301690294 110994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, incidentally, both banks were backed by the AAA, which was backed by the scoring system
< 1301690302 74292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the banks worked fine just as long as win by points did
< 1301690307 62157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was also backed by notes
< 1301690311 481108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the AAA dwarfed notes
< 1301690332 575641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IMO, a bank should have some built-in-to-the-contract way of selling off work
< 1301690339 723521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so that e.g. it would still work even if only offices were left
< 1301690346 544204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you could get out of office duties by paying someone else to do them
< 1301690353 747022 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think that is naive to say. there are many reasons why currencies collapse, but i don't think it ever happens because people all at once decide that currency is not as valuable as it once was. from what i've seen it happens when actual real world conditions change to modify the perceived value of the coin
< 1301690369 542204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see my attempt to create a new economy at Agora
< 1301690373 451137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I need to get back to
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< 1301690375 654723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although tomorrow
< 1301690379 946828 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover!
< 1301690385 634118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I probably oppose it, because now I'm all set on reviving the PBA but better
< 1301690388 935453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we have contracts now, right?
< 1301690389 390096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, when someone changes the rules about what can be done with currency
< 1301690391 456828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no
< 1301690396 724266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, can we get contracts back?
< 1301690401 477504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the PBA needs something to refer to
< 1301690406 683321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my new economy works a bit like contracts
< 1301690417 62157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could still create banks, but in nomic they need something to back the
< 1301690418 524319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them
< 1301690422 994149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because otherwise they have nothing to trade
< 1301690428 752476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my plan would create the banking
< 1301690431 898311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*backing
< 1301690435 971443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could go nuts on top of that
< 1301690437 884449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like I said, work is the backing
< 1301690442 477395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as other currencies
< 1301690448 997715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the other trades would be based on "work = {transfer me X}"
< 1301690470 440575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and that work is what I was planning to make into a currency
< 1301690474 123062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more precisely, actions
< 1301690487 825485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, perhaps then; I think contract law was a good way of doing that, though
< 1301690490 862238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less like the Vote Market, except not so hideously stupid
< 1301690496 822956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: although contract law would be better if it was based on individual pledges
< 1301690500 83021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can emulate contracts with those, I think
< 1301690502 122940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really an attempt to bring back something contract-like
< 1301690505 313117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even emulate equity enforcement with them
< 1301690508 442831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's tradeable pledges
< 1301690516 403186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write a message, you can give it to other people
< 1301690522 864087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can spend it to make you send it
< 1301690539 520695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can we finally define infinitesimal time to allow message ordering to be formally defined at the same time?
< 1301690543 441550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be useful, to define "message"
< 1301690553 380195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (otherwise it might be judged that you have to include headers too! :D)
< 1301690563 181076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an argument about that atm (my contested registration)
< 1301690582 439323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to get it as close to the player/not-a-player borderline as possible, I think I judged it quite well
< 1301690625 631691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder why I haven't made any bitcoins yet
< 1301690632 797000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly they haven't passed my set 0.01 pool threshold
< 1301690674 390315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bitcoin is a form of domestic terrorism because it only harms the economic stability of the USA and its currency" ;; I hope nobody's actually said this...
< 1301690694 400520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bitcoins are stored in wallet files, just copy the wallet file to get more coins!" ;; lol :D
< 1301690702 402865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this faq is great, bunch of stupid questions :)
< 1301690772 807892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that prevents the coin copying is that if you spend both copies, only one can be baked into a block by whoever's mining (or it isn't a valid block), and they get to choose which of the transactions is valid
< 1301690777 864736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actual criticism I have: All transactions are public. Even though the identities are conceiled, it may be worked out what's going on to some degree
< 1301690790 686521 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have returned to calmness (also home :P )
< 1301690803 212398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone apparently sends you bitcoins, you're supposed to wait for a chain past that point to build up to be sure you actually have them and they wern't lying
< 1301690804 898599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weren't
< 1301690810 89633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: practically, it's that you have to rewrite the rest of history to get anything to trust you, IIRC
< 1301690814 64771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather difficult
< 1301690831 863545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but yeah, when the faucet gave me 0.05 coins it started off unconfirmed
< 1301690834 683336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's up to 42 confirmations
< 1301690839 559457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, it only lets you double-spend your own coins
< 1301690843 122850 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1301690858 488326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nick Clegg tops April Fools poll after pretending to keep a pre-election promise"
< 1301690866 914085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I HOPE YOU ENJOYED THAT PING
< 1301690983 10985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Bitcoin community are anarchist/conspiracy theorist/gold standard weenies
< 1301690983 205299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFIRMED]]
< 1301690985 793981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best FAQ entry ever.
< 1301691007 98750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, [[Myths]] entry
< 1301691013 460789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually the FAQ
< 1301691143 522430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a Windows binary of ImageMagick for Fourier transforming?
< 1301691152 332859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1301691243 118270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interesting approach
< 1301691269 246900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what?
< 1301691355 360161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, actual criticism I have: All transactions are public. Even though the identities are conceiled, it may be worked out what's going on to some degree
< 1301691360 202842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You can create a new address for every transaction.
< 1301691373 531240 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: question: if I have coins in my wallet, that were sent to my keypair A, can I transfer them to keypair B without leaving a trace connecting keypair A and B?
< 1301691381 850928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you can figure out how each coin was traded
< 1301691388 561234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need to do some sort of crazy money laundering
< 1301691394 884476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: only if you refuse to pay the transaction fee
< 1301691396 360936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say by converting them to real-word currency and back
< 1301691408 916013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: which is Bad Behaviour
< 1301691412 124862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perfectly possible
< 1301691434 598251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the previous history of owners of every bitcoin is recorded; it has to be , or it wouldn't work
< 1301691441 732769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re: tracking things, I suspect it would get lost in the noise
< 1301691445 953124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite probably
< 1301691512 933602 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but wouldn't you, in that case, be paying a transaction fee to yourself?
< 1301691532 99333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: err, no, you just wouldn't pay one at all
< 1301691538 495666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1301691541 974472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you did pay it
< 1301691545 884690 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would you pay it to
< 1301691562 560741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the network
< 1301691566 313067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would it record that you changed the key you are using for the coin
< 1301691575 297407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out whether "Building nuclear reactor at home - from scratch" is an AF or not
< 1301691646 973375 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens with FFT, if you switch the magnitude and phase? What happen if you mirror the phase image and leave the magnitude as is? What if you did the other way around?
< 1301691653 935077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly been done.
< 1301691669 979818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, comments prove that it's certainly plausible (although not actually a nuclear reactor), but I'm still not sure
< 1301691681 969266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Things. Various things.
< 1301691686 886588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changes in the result according to the changes you make.
< 1301691689 746732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link, BTW?
< 1301691692 36871 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://notalwaysright.com/lindsay-lohan-is-bad-for-your-health/10933 Bahaha
< 1301691727 4200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ggg43/guys_ive_just_built_tiny_nuclear_reactor_at_home/
< 1301691729 755000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ggg" OMG IT'S A BITCOIN
< 1301691748 506983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you got one from the distributed block-finding thing?
< 1301691749 64634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuh?
< 1301691756 440560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, see the url above
< 1301691759 301655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bitcoins start with a lot of 0s
< 1301691764 564354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my mental pattern matcher has now short-circuited
< 1301691775 778543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301691791 308715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saw three gs at the start of the URL, thought "that's unlikely", and assumed it was valuable?
< 1301691795 401354 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tiny" and "nuclear reactor" don't go so well together ...
< 1301691796 95677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! :D
< 1301691801 245680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not a real nuclear reactor
< 1301691806 144540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm thinking that's legit.
< 1301691808 260321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently I'll get an email once I reach the stunning total of 0.01 bitcoins
< 1301691816 709146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes; the title seems AF-geared, though
< 1301691830 459004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because i turned on email on payout :)
< 1301691835 811527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually thought of a potential problem that isn't addressed there
< 1301691854 382215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, in what? bitcoins? reactors?
< 1301691855 824066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gamma-decay"
< 1301691857 541344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoins
< 1301691857 836680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf
< 1301691889 838295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way mining works, if you want consistent payouts rather than gambling - and probably most people will - it's in your interests to join the largest mining group
< 1301691893 714158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO SUCH THING YOU IDIOTS
< 1301691897 604166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would over time lead to the smaller ones collapsing
< 1301691908 869614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not quite true
< 1301691909 109993 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1301691915 256239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would give the people in charge of the group a lot of control
< 1301691925 786966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's been shown that over infinite time, ignoring difficulty changes, the payout of a group ~= the payout of doing it manually
< 1301691929 392893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or even ==, I'm not sure)
< 1301691930 100806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, cobalt-60 doesn't even emit gamma radiation without decaying, it just emits gamma radiation when it beta decays.
< 1301691932 488215 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, so from skimming that, I agree; it's not a nuclear reactor, it's a nuclear flashlight :P
< 1301691941 750773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once again my chemistry textbook is full of crap.
< 1301691945 560072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you have limited hardware, a group is infinitely better because of difficulty increases and time
< 1301691946 397388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's the same on average, but it's more consistent in a group
< 1301691954 208034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as bad as it saying that GFMs are unitless, I suppose.
< 1301691955 860691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more consistency = good for most people
< 1301691964 335713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but if you have a bunch of good GPUs, a pretty sustained rate of 50 bitcoins is far nicer looking
< 1301691970 961803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: than a steadier rate of a lot less
< 1301691987 461704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and, let's face it, "most people" aren't going to mine
< 1301691997 78873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll get bitcoins in far more reasonable ways (assuming "most people" adopt it, that is)
< 1301692009 367736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably are if bitcoin catches on, otherwise transaction fees will go up very high
< 1301692034 986180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they'll set their idle resources to it, I suppose, but mining without a GPU is already hideously impractical
< 1301692036 783399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in a pool
< 1301692124 725734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say hideously
< 1301692132 398885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean is, I got bored enough to check out a GPU miner before I mined anything with a CPU
< 1301692154 607896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU is just much better for that sort of thing
< 1301692214 574076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out the words to justify a GPU cluster as a financial investment
< 1301692217 86075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1301692348 440221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the EFF will appreciate a ~5 cent donation
< 1301692534 96873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, my wm has fucked up again
< 1301692543 91540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet they will
< 1301692549 847044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very much, but slightly
< 1301692553 672079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1301692565 601694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll hoard my bitcoins until I have more than that :-P
< 1301692572 670047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, argh, why does my wm do this
< 1301692642 501390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Disconnected by services
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< 1301692653 821004 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should run the miner on the console instead... or just ditch X entirely
< 1301692656 599363 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1301693112 649772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my total reward so far is ~0.00065 bitcoins
< 1301693115 488283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOICE
< 1301693145 274952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, you re-re-did the c-intercal build system?
< 1301693149 816577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, don't tell me it was esr
< 1301693160 946243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he tried to
< 1301693165 945431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I redid it myself in order to stop him
< 1301693174 138147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was months ago
< 1301693175 620844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why did he want to redo it?
< 1301693182 943870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generated files in the repo, of all things
< 1301693186 667929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be irrelevant
< 1301693188 521986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he _wanted_ that?
< 1301693195 248373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he wanted there to be none at all
< 1301693208 44636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it was a case of writing a bootstrap shellscript that could generate all the files from scratc
< 1301693209 593063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scratch
< 1301693212 547577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The floating-point library is now automatically included if
< 1301693212 785368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1301693212 949019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : a program NEXTs to labels in the range 5000-5999."
< 1301693212 949208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously they generated each other
< 1301693215 367924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew?
< 1301693217 201283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was one of his
< 1301693220 179247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301693223 696148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going through them to ew at them
< 1301693224 624314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only if it doesn't contain any label in that range
< 1301693227 216961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he forgot to specify
< 1301693231 422461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that a good thing?
< 1301693231 803180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's saner that way
< 1301693252 930185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's the way INTERCAL library inclusion has Always Worked, just NEXT to a line that doesn't exist and it tries to find an appropriate library
< 1301693259 508615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301693274 327037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bugs reported by Elliott Hird" yaey im fameous
< 1301693290 541894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you pointed out many bugs?
< 1301693299 986485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole four!
< 1301693302 420930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, five
< 1301693306 133487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Vorpal got the credit for one
< 1301693312 989654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the grossest injustice
< 1301693329 343087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OMG YOU'RE FAMOUS TOO
< 1301693335 298899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I am?
< 1301693340 288733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you forgot to call him Adhahamhamhmahmahhmanhnmhanhahn McSomething
< 1301693343 787793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think he's said he's McSomething
< 1301693344 363815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catb.org/~esr/intercal/NEWS.html
< 1301693367 202262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bad was the typo?
< 1301693383 714845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :139
< 1301693383 947346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :29. The function clock_gettime is now supported by the yuk profiler as an
< 1301693384 110867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :140
< 1301693384 111047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : alternative method of getting a high-resolution clock for profiling (it
< 1301693384 111154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :141
< 1301693384 310473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : is available on at least Linux).
< 1301693384 476250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it have the capacity to end all life on Earth? That would be a very nasty typo
< 1301693407 841591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you switched from tar to pax because POSIX deprecated the former in favour of the latter (OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHY), you should do the same for gettimeofday -> clock_gettime
< 1301693414 526384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday was removed in POSIX 2008, replaced by clock_gettime
< 1301693416 757295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed]
< 1301693419 178879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clock_gettime is used if it exists, IIRC
< 1301693425 32760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: for what, what I said?
< 1301693429 728502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the posix standard yourself
< 1301693461 963642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, but the libraries and compiled programs now agree on which profiling function to use!
< 1301693464 370954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that bug was hilarious)
< 1301693491 514954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how many optimisations are there? I'm wondering if I can wile away a few hours by creating more obvious ones and giving them to you
< 1301693509 502425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, citation needed for why I'm famous.
< 1301693514 155019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you're in the readme
< 1301693515 997769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1301693517 834112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HISTORY file
< 1301693523 341149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be called Changelog
< 1301693524 209005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quite a lot; aiming for flow rather than expression optimisation would probably help
< 1301693533 901606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, have you informed esr that there are, in fact, modern INTERCAL implementations not derived from his?
< 1301693543 525306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's aware of CLC-INTERCAL, but ignores it
< 1301693547 57503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was under the impression that there weren't in his awful blog post
< 1301693547 415679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a weird combination
< 1301693553 237495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, what do you mean?
< 1301693559 175067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he knows it exists, but refuses to act as if it does
< 1301693559 727379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you point out CLC and he said "Yeah yeah whatever"?
< 1301693563 822775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's an attempt to save sanity
< 1301693576 222546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what did he actually say when you pointed it out; or haven't you
< 1301693581 986656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's J-INTERCAL; not *that* modern, but still
< 1301693594 588395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J- is just like a worse version of old-fashioned C-
< 1301693599 216341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where's the C-INTERCAL page?
< 1301693604 58230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL has been intrinsically different forever
< 1301693610 579570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://c.intercal.org.uk
< 1301693618 892948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but J- is both (1) pretty modern and (2) an INTERCAL implementation
< 1301693649 797709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems that with 0.29, the tarball has /just/ creeped over a million bytes
< 1301693671 882321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloat!
< 1301693683 415146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YOU SHOULD WRITE AN INTERCAL REPL
< 1301693685 829168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1301693692 861318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that automatically increments statement numbers (and uses them as the prompt)
< 1301693700 299045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, statement numbers?
< 1301693702 540007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so you can copy-paste lines into an intercal program directly, and also keep track of control flow... kinda)
< 1301693711 794487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: line numbers, whatever
< 1301693712 707719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL has a REPL (INTERCALC), which I've actually used before now to do some quick INTERCAL calculations
< 1301693719 623834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it treats each statement independently
< 1301693765 94946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: boring!
< 1301693771 354409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are statement numbers done again? (number)?
< 1301693797 491482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1301693806 162412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sickly
< 1301693817 948420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) PLEASE DO COME FROM (2)
< 1301693826 966354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's an error already
< 1301693827 157905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) PLEASE DO COME FROM (1)
< 1301693829 950375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as (2) doesn't exist
< 1301693834 377069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean (1) PLEASE DO COME FROM #2
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< 1301693837 914830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right
< 1301693839 73224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sickly
< 1301693841 868167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a no-op rather than an error if the line doesn't exist
< 1301693842 602414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=== Changes reported by Phantom Hoover ===
< 1301693843 161274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :24. Fixed a nasty documentation typo.
< 1301693845 223282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second line can stay the same
< 1301693847 276604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, no
< 1301693850 220310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the second line WILL exist
< 1301693850 986072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which typo was that?
< 1301693855 224734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you pretend every line exists already
< 1301693856 169257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can't remember
< 1301693861 898866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but don't execute statements until the lines they depend on exist
< 1301693862 453595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was pretty bad, I said the opposite of what I meant
< 1301693935 899979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or _does_ the latter come into effect once (2) starts existing?
< 1301693944 295491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, even better
< 1301693946 517092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sickly
< 1301693951 331768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) PLEASE DO READ OUT #1234
< 1301693953 184839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]
< 1301693964 672966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) DO READ OUT #4567
< 1301693966 706744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]
< 1301693974 75034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) DO COME FROM (1)
< 1301693974 240978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL's WHILE would be useful for this, except it only applies to expressions
< 1301693980 720443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second line's output has to get removed
< 1301693988 414555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO statement WHILE expression executes the expression as soon as it makes sense and doesn't error
< 1301693992 303604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it should print
< 1301693995 285013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[output] NEVER HAPPENED
< 1301694000 799820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and continues with the statement and the rest of the program
< 1301694051 107172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly you need Feather
< 1301694057 181593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1301694072 167295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is CLC-INTERCAL non-Free software too?
< 1301694078 726155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's BSD-licensed, IIRC
< 1301694082 604121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something very similar
< 1301694086 379526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * 2. Any changes you make must be clearly identified by comments
< 1301694086 559898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * (example: "this function rewritten by YOUR NAME to change the
< 1301694086 723751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * way bogons are emitted")
< 1301694086 723935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--rename.c
< 1301694121 435323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.intercal/browse_thread/thread/669d38f639b60093 ;; uh oh, someone who actually believes that only github has git repositories
< 1301694126 107361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's three-clause BSD with some of the language changed for amusement value
< 1301694135 878221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, I read their other thread and it looks like they're insane in the mundane, real-world sense
< 1301694149 611226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A25FRpkbDxU
< 1301694160 366335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of Look Around You for some reason.
< 1301694174 494060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or trolling, except that what's the point in trolling a.l.i?
< 1301694181 689995 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Qdeql +Sceql +SMETANA) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1301694185 761704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is it meant to be watched with 1911 mode on?
< 1301694187 802737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this is hilarious
< 1301694194 877414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, always the marketer!
< 1301694209 103007 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like elliott's back
< 1301694211 573476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, it should be watched so you can understand the SCIENCE?
< 1301694211 737649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, it's April 1, why are you believing him?
< 1301694225 281641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might have been sneaky and put Thue and Unlambda in there instead!
< 1301694231 371317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm. Indeed, this forum is indeed not very mephitic. And I *do* feel like escaping my matrix of solidity... aha! The solution to my woes!"
< 1301694242 935934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: surely you've clicked the 1911 in the corner
< 1301694253 904084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have.
< 1301694378 162788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are things like 1911 mode kept forever?
< 1301694389 672033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, accessible after April 1 via an URL param or whatever?
< 1301694413 744168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, TEXTp wasn't
< 1301694415 414824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think
< 1301694418 365328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1911 should be, though
< 1301694421 139201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes every video better
< 1301694434 776087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it hard to hear the sound, and the picture's a bit flaky
< 1301694451 614605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it impossible to hear the sound, it's muted
< 1301694456 432890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're joking
< 1301694484 790760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't so much a joke, as an understatement to make the sentence flow a bit better
< 1301694507 34306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOO I'M ABOUT HALF WAY TO 0.01 BITCOINS
< 1301694519 477360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this computer is not a very fast compuer.
< 1301694521 97204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comptuer.
< 1301694522 959243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computer.
< 1301694524 972643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HALF-WAY
< 1301694527 381141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't type
< 1301694570 146154 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: off to implement another one I suppose
< 1301694689 885184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found LodePNG. It can use C or C++ (just rename the file and the compiler will use C mode or C++ mode). Probably I could remove the parts I don't need. Maybe I could convert the rest to CWEB? Would it work?
< 1301694755 426194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, /me kills the miner for now, want to do some programming and it's too laggy
< 1301694771 720828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll save it until I have a desktop with a decent GPU
< 1301694895 12770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is gcc's [index] = foo array thing C99 or GNU C89+? I know you've used it, in DNA Maze
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< 1301695160 626658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: C99
< 1301695183 676894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :register Cell tos asm("al");
< 1301695184 39563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :register Cell sos asm("ah");
< 1301695185 706020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if that will work
< 1301695214 344304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Befunge-93 programs have a hard limit to the number of stack they can use, right?
< 1301695218 90473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*amount of
< 1301695223 133159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have a maximum number of cycles
< 1301695225 262348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that's not true
< 1301695228 40853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1301695228 205791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1" uses infinite stack
< 1301695359 681281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1301695369 161814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, the befunge-93 stack is of 32-bit words
< 1301695371 322717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, ints
< 1301695388 834503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the x86 is so register starved
< 1301695410 995755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quick! what's a non-eax general purpose register
< 1301695416 539398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in _really_ general purpose :-P)
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< 1301695636 487877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lame, fizzie's ff3 does exactly what mine is going to
< 1301695663 430977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does break the standard
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< 1301695739 469775 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do?
< 1301695824 138366 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :save yourself!
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< 1301696131 651491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: threaded code
< 1301696137 522043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how random is rand()%4?
< 1301696139 947176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: clock_gettime is used if it exists, IIRC <-- hm if you do that, where do you look for it? On Linux it is in librt.so iirc. On FreeBSD it is in libc.so I think.
< 1301696153 192394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I look for it in autoconf
< 1301696161 853551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think by trying to link it to libc and librt and seeing what happens
< 1301696165 352475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301696183 809734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, libc first I presume? Since iirc FreeBSD has librt as well... With different stuff
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< 1301696198 166175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I try to link them both at once
< 1301696199 805439 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, that; well, yes, sure. Though I think it's even more characterized by the "different instruction implementations for all cardinal deltas" thing. (Though mooz's "bef" did that too.)
< 1301696202 350833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does rand()&3 work? Does it work better, or worse, if there is a difference?
< 1301696211 299373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm doing that too, after seeing yours :P
< 1301696221 325370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it should obviously be identical, by the laws of &
< 1301696224 79045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the laws of %
< 1301696231 691729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it works worse than rand()/(RAND_MAX/4) on old implementations of rand(), and the same as rand()%4, obviously
< 1301696237 801811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can't have non-cardinal deltas in -93, though.
< 1301696238 541559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on modern implementations, all should be much the same
< 1301696252 815796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, in df it seems that the z level counter can go to negative values... range on current map seems to be -17 - 120
< 1301696262 613324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I "plan" to turn it into a proper ripoff of jitfunge98, though.
< 1301696282 591028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as modern compilers optimise %4 into &3 always
< 1301696290 188435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, how random is rand()%4? <-- I would presume it depends on your libc.
< 1301696291 320888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as bitwise AND is faster than integer MODULO
< 1301696313 266837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: typical LCRNGs, the high-order bits are more random than the low-order bits
< 1301696314 560521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr @ http://catseye.tc/projects/befunge93/doc/befunge93.html
< 1301696326 60119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, it's just befunge though, ? should be random enough with rand() :-D
< 1301696335 468219 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, such optimizations are helpful when macros are being used.
< 1301696338 410951 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right. I also had a version that macrologized in implementations on all (well, most) possible {stack cell type, playfield element type, another parameter, yet another parameter} option -- so you could select those options on runtime instead of compile-time -- but it grew too large for GCC to handle, I think.
< 1301696375 746128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean is that rand()/(RAND_MAX/4)) is a better implementation than rand()%4 on some systems, and equal on most others
< 1301696375 911623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why do you want to do befunge93? Besides how many fingerprints did you do in your last befunge98 implementation? And did you publish the source anywhere?
< 1301696378 512565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, I'd quite like to optimise lines properly, too. But OTOH, proper threaded code JITting should be, you know, as fast as Forth, which is good enough for me.
< 1301696382 468765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus generally a better implementation
< 1301696386 938208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other than that, there is not much advantage over entering those optimizations manually)
< 1301696390 786245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah
< 1301696398 591717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but, that doesn't have the bitwise-and SPEEEEEEEEED
< 1301696399 675605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1301696404 327121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as one is a shift and the other is a bitwise-and, and they're both as fast as each other
< 1301696407 299258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless RAND_MAX is a convenient power of two, and a macro
< 1301696411 576367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a constant, which I suppose is a given
< 1301696415 723392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a constant
< 1301696426 959485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still one more instruction
< 1301696430 853091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you probably want (RAND_MAX+1)/4
< 1301696435 353516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and allow for integer overflow
< 1301696436 848520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, macro
< 1301696438 92931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked
< 1301696440 362844 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use the rand() command, I made the program, it has its own random number generator, the Xorshift algorithm. It will do modulo, but if the number is too high it will try again (this rarely happens).
< 1301696446 981995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: >> 28 compared to & 3?
< 1301696451 241178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same instruction count either way
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< 1301696473 278422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1301696490 741415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that assumes that RAND_MAX is not a lot smaller than INT_MAX
< 1301696553 357117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my main innovation, BTW, is to put the TOS into a register, and hopefully the SOS too if I can find another free register
< 1301696557 801152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether that will be an optimisation or not
< 1301696630 623951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this code OK? if(rng_w<=max_uint-(max_uint%limit)) return rng_w%limit; else
< 1301696662 681703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5508110/why-is-this-program-erroneously-rejected-by-three-c-compilers
< 1301696669 293427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: old
< 1301696700 42992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How much does stringmode screw with your performance?
< 1301696701 257336 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did that -- well, I mean, I put TOS into a separate variable, which is sort-of analogous -- but didn't manage to make it any better than the simpler stack.
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< 1301696718 413234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of analogous except it won't go into a register at all :P
< 1301696741 892002 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think the C standard requires that a compiler supports handwriting recognition.
< 1301696748 303512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whoosh
< 1301696754 628376 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, that's up to the compiler; certainly it could.
< 1301696763 986080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it won't. :p
< 1301696785 794132 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I might have tried declaring it as a file-scope register variable too, in which case it definitely will.
< 1301696797 994127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely? I thought gcc likes to ignore register.
< 1301696806 159438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Befunge-93 benchmark? :-P
< 1301696810 309783 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you name the register.
< 1301696839 955250 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Global register variables reserve registers throughout the program. This may be useful in programs such as programming language interpreters which have a couple of global variables that are accessed very often."
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< 1301696864 574018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ghc does it!
< 1301696873 315267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wat
< 1301696883 597430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses global register variables
< 1301696888 190102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes; you didn't specify you named the register, though.
< 1301696890 42351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: When? :P
< 1301696907 925381 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: throughout the last 2-3 years I believe
< 1301696918 818274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I mean, in which case.
< 1301696921 969871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cases.
< 1301696922 883877 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :always?
< 1301696943 408083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time you declare a global?
< 1301696951 115533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, just generally stores some data in dedicated registers that are reserved throughout the runtime of the program
< 1301696968 34183 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I don't really recall what all I tried, to be honest. Anyhoo, re stringmode, that's not very clever; as a matter of fact, at " it just calls a push_string() function, which isn't even constant-delta parametrized.
< 1301697015 330931 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And re benchmarks, the only thing I've used is the "run life.bef for N seconds, measure the amount of generated output", which is... pretty bad, as far as benchmarks go.
< 1301697049 351762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does Output Integer output a space after like funge-98?
< 1301697051 289998 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also here's what ff2 tried to do: http://p.zem.fi/mf5a.c ... it didn't quite turn out well.
< 1301697062 382687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's a space.
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< 1301697136 862834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just only support 64-bit processors.
< 1301697142 242991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the registers :P
< 1301697164 636735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this for your miniforth?
< 1301697179 912597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No X-D
< 1301697182 152627 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff3 puts three zeroes underneath the the stack so that it can just do the operation without worrying about the stack, and then fix it up later. (I think it was an optimization in at least some cases.)
< 1301697190 75428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat :'(
< 1301697205 140768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Feel free to code a compiler for that and maybe I'll start working on it again :P
< 1301697205 346109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you've dropped the forth thing or that it's done?
< 1301697213 409772 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I shamelessly stole the wrapping thing from mooz, too.)
< 1301697221 60692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heck, I'm not even bothering to check at all.
< 1301697222 856544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: See above.
< 1301697231 630048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: A compiler would probably be pretty easy, but I'm lazy.
< 1301697247 185882 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ff1 used to wrap by having a 256x256 playfield and byte-sized ops, but that's pretty slow since it has a huge playfield to walk around in regular-sized programs.)
< 1301697257 54878 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, "above" is not nearly specific enough for me to look it up
< 1301697270 773032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: olsner: Feel free to code a compiler for that and maybe I'll start working on it again :P
< 1301697276 928586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right after your "wat".
< 1301697281 559257 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for the forth thing
< 1301697310 281521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh
< 1301697310 465687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might! I don't really know how to do forth though
< 1301697326 701965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: All a compiler has to do is allocate a dictionary entry, and then look words up, and append them with either CALL or RET to the dictionary entry.
< 1301697339 449062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, technically some words have compile-time semantics. But I think colorForth gets around this.
< 1301697342 784401 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, it seems that ff3 has a -DUNSAFE_STACK=1 compile-time option for a no-underflow-checking stack too. (Since I generally don't pop from the empty stack myself.)
< 1301697347 49912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no worries, branches can be handled later :P
< 1301697356 549128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you make it sound like it's trivial - that would imply that you're stupid
< 1301697359 511625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You still break the spec for /.
< 1301697363 278174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No - it would imply that I'm lazy.
< 1301697384 975324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now to figure out how to do # without breaking my code structure :P
< 1301697391 109999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could temporarily overwrite the next command with a nop.
< 1301697404 587081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except figuring out the next command is non-trivial, because my delta functions also interpret.
< 1301697405 87711 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that too!
< 1301697481 447099 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You mean the "won't ask the user for /0" thing? It's not exactly stated in the http://catseye.tc/projects/befunge93/doc/befunge93.html spec, I don't think. Though I admit it would be the more proper thing to do.
< 1301697493 362180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It would be SO PROPER
< 1301697524 789179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the & spec is so vague
< 1301697531 810841 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 spec says Befunge-93 is supposed to ask the user, but I don't think that quite counts as a specified thing.
< 1301697549 378220 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like C++ spec saying things about what C does. :p
< 1301697554 20938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also also, is there a way to tell gcc to fill the rest of an array initialised with [x] = y constructs with a certain value?
< 1301697578 827803 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a certain value of 0 that's easy. :p
< 1301697596 948066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it's not 0 :P
< 1301697604 894961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does ~ reflect on EOF?
< 1301697607 115687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think there's anything else, unfortunately.
< 1301697629 350828 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much reflecting going on in the '93 land.
< 1301697646 58727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ~ do then, push -1?
< 1301697652 371441 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably do that.
< 1301697672 626123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could test against the reference implementation, of course.
< 1301697675 628230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LESS BRANCHES, after all.
< 1301697681 405896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although EOF is not guaranteed to be -1.
< 1301697813 284856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: According to some talk page nobody, values on the stack should be a "signed long int".
< 1301697817 990465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the Befunge-93 documentation.
< 1301697820 6945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, by proxy.
< 1301697902 146680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LodePNG is written by one guy who also did some things with esolangs too.
< 1301698020 772738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hunh, what's this with you supporting diagonal deltas?
< 1301698049 982742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, I see what you mean with a fluhfluh for every fluhfluh.
< 1301698053 852117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it the boring way.
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< 1301698682 150599 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I do have this benchmark.bef I got from somewhere, but as far as benchmarks go it's alsp pretty poor. Full contents:
< 1301698685 261620 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :91+:*-:0`#@ #._
< 1301698730 332568 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least it gets nice performance boost from the boundary-tracking wrapping.)
< 1301698746 880227 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sleeptime now.)
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< 1301701341 593439 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is enjoying being locked in his matrix of solidity.
< 1301701357 105921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is hating it with a passion
< 1301701369 256803 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1301701377 387110 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so.... Solid!
< 1301701881 117170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Enjoy!
< 1301701889 160066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What, you wanna be LIQUID? Get outta my house.
< 1301701899 953778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASEOUS maybe? NO WAIT: oerjan, FREED in his matrix of PLASMOLOGY.
< 1301701901 435525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH, RIGHT.
< 1301701906 501413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so Emacs Lisp is lexically scoped now.
< 1301702107 544389 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I see (defun ...) in Lisp, I think STOP TAKING THE FUN OUT OF MY SUBROUTINES.
< 1301702357 472131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Can those kind of things be changed with macros or something like that, so that you can use your own words?
< 1301702439 252611 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would rename defun 'addfun'.
< 1301702447 95328 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes Lisp FUN!
< 1301702474 548407 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Links (or any of its variants) at all usable? do the missing features get irksome?
< 1301702552 238932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Is there some command in Lisp to rename commands? If there is, then you can use that in your own programs, maybe.
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< 1301702688 903894 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IDK, I haven't gotten that far in my Lisp book i'm reading. I bet it's there, though. I actually dont know much Lisp.
< 1301702811 131328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is
< 1301702835 919799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.
< 1301702844 981991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it was probably the first language to have a complete meta-programming language built in.
< 1301702872 907435 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/io failed
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< 1301703145 944103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi variable
< 1301703159 517745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : is Links (or any of its variants) at all usable? do the missing features get irksome?
< 1301703167 429159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more usable than lynx, less usable than anything else.
< 1301703177 685496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elinks supports slightly more than links I think, but most people seem to prefer links.
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< 1301703183 224298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also links has that graphical mode that can even work on the framebuffer.
< 1301703292 466002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my real question is "can it run gmail right"
< 1301703324 269857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha.
< 1301703327 622034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you mean the javascript version?
< 1301703330 397767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahaha
< 1301703343 880227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know links and variants support js
< 1301703349 381169 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know which versions
< 1301703352 208664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. no.
< 1301703356 339949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the latest variants
< 1301703359 346738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only telephone in all of hell (local calls only, please).
< 1301703363 555737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :links' js engine was removed IIRC
< 1301703366 866856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was unsalvagably shit
< 1301703376 344456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why don't you want to use a graphical browser, anyway
< 1301703379 696248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gmail's html version
< 1301703394 328474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i'd give the latter a shot
< 1301703399 826822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: why don't you want to use a graphical browser, anyway
< 1301703411 72695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to use a mouse
< 1301703416 239703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: conkeror. vimperator
< 1301703425 337388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both much easier to use w/ kb than links
< 1301703432 274344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah?
< 1301703437 291028 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell
< 1301703438 192013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering they're designed for it, yes.
< 1301703452 744496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conkeror if you want emacs. vimperator if you want vim.
< 1301703455 518358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't require me to memorize thousands of keyboard shortcuts do they?
< 1301703464 417418 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it to be obvious which keys do what
< 1301703466 449640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a dozen.
< 1301703476 57143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a key is just a single letter. it is impossible for it to be self-documenting.
< 1301703478 108819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want dry water.
< 1301703492 206648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be obvious
< 1301703503 387449 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the way irssi maps keys to windows
< 1301703512 136875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes perfect intuitive sense
< 1301703515 836328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. so that's a single numerical selection done.
< 1301703518 939603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can only have one of them
< 1301703521 894464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be self-documenting, jsut intuitive
< 1301703524 514169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not in any way generalise.
< 1301703537 83143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitive is another word for familiar. you are evidently new to these kinds of browsers.
< 1301703544 965590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus apart from the common subset shared with editors, it cannot be intuitive.
< 1301703549 542387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not the same thing
< 1301703554 186309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they really are
< 1301703564 672471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html
< 1301703568 169447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitive equals familiar.
< 1301703582 228641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they are similar concepts, but not the same
< 1301703587 282208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the same.
< 1301703591 168057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: anyway, if you actually want it, learning a dozen or so keys is trivially a sunk cost.
< 1301703604 231326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use a browser often, it would be difficult for them not to stick.
< 1301703605 915932 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitive means "there is a ready metaphor for mapping the new ideas to familiar ones"
< 1301703613 969261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have to already be familiar in themselves
< 1301703625 841936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah a dozen doesn't sound bad
< 1301703632 660964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html
< 1301703638 575562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitive equals familiar.
< 1301703641 955236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is a ready metaphor ..." = familiar.
< 1301703653 361680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you keep citing that page when i've already told you i disagree with it
< 1301703667 218668 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i disagree with your use of "equals"
< 1301703686 980225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because you responded instantly and therefore have not read it
< 1301703693 428297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or you would have responded, "I've read that before")
< 1301703743 872531 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very long. shall i go read it and come back and tell you whether i've changed my mind about disagreeing of your self-proclaimed summary of it?
< 1301703745 205804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jef raskin is(/was) pretty much the god of human-computer interaction, so the article is well worth reading
< 1301703756 265469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes. also, my summary is in fact the title.
< 1301703770 711196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is
< 1301703774 264280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really expect you'll change your mind as people rarely do, at least not immediately, but *shrug*
< 1301703783 217681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i agree with a paper when i disagree with its title?
< 1301703843 439776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people will disagree vehemently when they hear "Property is theft!" and on further consideration of Proudhon's words, agree?
< 1301703847 17962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say significantly more than zero.
< 1301703858 880706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article is to convince you that the title means something, and that that meaning is true
< 1301703881 828599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are expected, therefore, to have an open mind about the topic in question for the duration of reading and mentally processing the article. this is how things work, I think.
< 1301703987 219965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come ooon, bitcoins! get mined!
< 1301703991 113214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO CLOSE TO 0.01
< 1301704013 952514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfgg my gpu sucks hard
< 1301704021 296777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting like 5.6 megahashes/sec
< 1301704029 67362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people with real graphics cards get >300
< 1301704059 362336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can agree with the part where it says "intuitive = uses readily transferred, existing skills." that's almost exactly what i said earlier.
< 1301704097 275686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then what is your definition of familiar
< 1301704098 363921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:19:35: elliott, why do you want to do befunge93? Besides how many fingerprints did you do in your last befunge98 implementation? And did you publish the source anywhere?
< 1301704108 586979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wanted to do befunge-93 because I dunno, I felt like I could get it fast.
< 1301704134 335752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:
< 1301704135 97735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Code/shiro/Shiro/Fingerprints]% l *.hs
< 1301704135 269612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOL.hs DIRF.hs EVAR.hs FILE.hs FING.hs MODU.hs NULL.hs REFC.hs ROMA.hs
< 1301704139 96612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1301704146 474625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of those is incomplete; I forget which.)
< 1301704150 362515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope it don't die next time you move to another computer
< 1301704158 584906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could easily add more, but I'm waiting on a monadic epiphany to reduce code clutter.
< 1301704162 163276 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :familiar means basically "automatic" in my mind. muscle memory. no remapping is needed, because you've done this before, you've got this.
< 1301704169 431242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thus I hope you uploaded the source somewhere
< 1301704183 674824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how else could it get into mycology?
< 1301704187 357073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It still passes Mycology in less than a second.
< 1301704197 312685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that would be quicker were I not running that miner. Maybe.
< 1301704199 509798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep. And?
< 1301704203 771969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not.
< 1301704210 834840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's "known"
< 1301704214 904012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, miner? Err?
< 1301704241 471993 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. i would agree with familiar=known
< 1301704248 455057 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1301704255 515412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re: another computer, it won't.
< 1301704265 933980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't uploaded it yet but I will do once I restructure it and add enough to run slowdown.b98.
< 1301704272 810217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301704284 546725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll replace the fungespace with that one I was considering to make that go quickly.
< 1301704290 873947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by how else could it get into Mycology?
< 1301704293 812377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: miner - bitcoins.
< 1301704320 37387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301704328 981405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Deewiant's style of funge space? Or your own?
< 1301704346 492980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the one Deewiant has now or the one Deewiant wishes he had (k-d tree)?
< 1301704360 449406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, either actually
< 1301704378 391243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on a bounding volume hierarchy type thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounding_volume_hierarchy), because a random Stack Overflow comment said it was usually lighter-weight than k-d trees. Also I /msg'd Deewiant about it and he said it might be suitable. :p
< 1301704381 714638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides wasn't k-d to organise the boxes or such?
< 1301704393 440729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. But "the boxes" are just flat arrays.
< 1301704397 767338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1301704408 308081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might go with a quadtree in-between because it's easy.
< 1301704413 987508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think that'd help with slowdown, much.
< 1301704448 72759 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301704453 142570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, I'm pretty happy with Shiro as it is; it passes Mycology with flying colours, and quickly; it doesn't leak memory (that I know of); etc.
< 1301704463 421920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still less than 4000 lines last I checked.
< 1301704468 405231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tried valgrind on it?
< 1301704469 717233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Including fingerprints.)
< 1301704473 89956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh. It's Haskell.
< 1301704480 197492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think it'd like the GC.
< 1301704485 619500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or anything.
< 1301704495 596833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, valgrind can manage with some GCs. It doesn't crash for all...
< 1301704507 320967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is shiro now a complete impl of b98?
< 1301704510 106631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can >/dev/null with valgrind, right?
< 1301704512 945141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it prints to stderr?
< 1301704514 983760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, For example, with python's GC it just spews errors, instead of crashing.
< 1301704519 959572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's been a complete impl since about day three or four :P
< 1301704523 790990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think valgrind goes to stderr yes
< 1301704527 513853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even late day two.
< 1301704550 647659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, valgrind sure does slow a program down.
< 1301704551 765529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, more like mid-morning day three
< 1301704555 563089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1301704567 974846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever. Early on :)
< 1301704575 68565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I should probably do --leak-check=full?
< 1301704579 217916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it printed no errors, just summaries.
< 1301704582 407505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but anyway, it wouldn't have been that fast without the constant help of Deewiant
< 1301704583 499754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "suppressed" 4 from 4, though.
< 1301704601 268431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, suppressed is about stuff in libc.
< 1301704601 982417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, actually, after I figured out how profiling works most of the optimisation was me.
< 1301704605 3364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that one stupid function.
< 1301704616 535099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the *compliance* that Deewiant helped shitloads with :P
< 1301704625 629682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know how profiling works, I mean, I just didn't know how to get GHC to do it.)
< 1301704631 196177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like, strlen optimised because it knows it can access invalid memory as long as it doesn't cross a page boundary
< 1301704633 785457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of stuff
< 1301704652 526137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It was the *compliance* that Deewiant helped shitloads with :P <-- that is what I meant
< 1301704660 504664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant fast, as in fast development
< 1301704669 159582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1301704669 334746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fast as in fast execution
< 1301704692 640112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, see, Deewiant is the only person who knows the details of Deewiantfunge-98, which is the language that every Mycology-compliant interpreter implements :P
< 1301704712 485805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== 98,964 (384 direct, 98,580 indirect) bytes in 3 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 16 of 16
< 1301704712 687134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== at 0x4C2815C: malloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:236)
< 1301704712 687323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== by 0x593FAE2: __gconv_open (gconv_open.c:197)
< 1301704712 687433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== by 0x593F5F1: iconv_open (iconv_open.c:72)
< 1301704712 687540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== by 0x4AA0C4: ??? (in /home/elliott/Code/shiro/shiro)
< 1301704722 482984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno what that's about. (With --leak-check=full.)
< 1301704728 119166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1301704728 489153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway: ==18138== Reachable blocks (those to which a pointer was found) are not shown.
< 1301704733 173830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the GC keeps a pointer to things.
< 1301704740 857227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1301704757 180137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm also pretty sure that garbage can be left un-freed if they escape the GC. Say it's conservative, or the program ends before it gets GC'd.
< 1301704762 344973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wouldn't trust valgrind much here.
< 1301704765 164349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "Deewiantfunge-98" is one of the saner interpretations of the confusing standard. As far as I know the only direct contradiction he makes towards the standard is making t actually work.
< 1301704777 616492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also y's interpretation of bounds
< 1301704787 888870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you consider the statement that something is useful for something else bound by sanity and taking precedence over the previous line
< 1301704794 271815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Nope. The standard contradict itself there.
< 1301704797 640792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1301704802 287525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't use the same definition of useful as you
< 1301704806 789109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, It is said to be suitable iirc?
< 1301704811 82514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "useful"
< 1301704813 588016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah...
< 1301704818 317489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's in italics, and written informally, which makes me question its normativity
< 1301704826 188217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, should ask cpressy next time he shows up
< 1301704827 187573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even if you accept it, you have to assume "useful" is used sanely
< 1301704837 12602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and binding the Funge-98 standard to sanity is a bad idea :-D
< 1301704839 632811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, the whole standard is written pretty informally :P
< 1301704851 353987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re: cpressey: I think he's heard enough about Funge-98 for one lifetime :P
< 1301704858 945264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And seems to know the spec less well than we do.
< 1301704860 56457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1301704865 577049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1301704866 132601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as i recall, there was still a major bug past day 7 which prevented it from being called an implementation at all
< 1301704877 138587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Which bug...?
< 1301704886 364707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the "o" thing, yes, that took a little while to fix.
< 1301704890 470828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's pretty minor.
< 1301704891 409403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :o is optional?
< 1301704894 723423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true.
< 1301704898 931433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what o thing btw?
< 1301704902 643531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: text mode, I think.
< 1301704908 35608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented o but did it a bit wrongly, because I hadn't bothered to get it right yet.
< 1301704910 721210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes that one is a PITA
< 1301704914 306403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since o is optional, I could flip one bit and everything would be fine :P
< 1301704919 320664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in y, and also make o reflect)
< 1301704931 804048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and i too I guess
< 1301704945 268040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, running slowdown and running fungot are the priorities, in that order. but it's still pending on me figuring out a nice way to express the maybe stacks.
< 1301704945 937228 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and are you really interested or are you just rather stuck as to what the point is that using your own macros. at least not for implementing scheme?
< 1301704951 191820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, text and binary more in i and o don't correspond at all in functionality :P
< 1301704959 370094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: truth.
< 1301704959 533450 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: allocate to that result ( i.e., he's probably devoting much more time
< 1301704961 553659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *mode
< 1301704967 667510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1301704996 659410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think rcfunge is now completely unmaintained
< 1301705000 171595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :last release april 2010 by susan
< 1301705010 20987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely
< 1301705010 391823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that cfunge has had a more recent release, admitteldy
< 1301705011 687493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*admittedly
< 1301705022 346924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever implement that O(1) wrapping?
< 1301705035 809665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm nope, forget. Will look at it this weekend.
< 1301705056 745183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and then probably get a release out some day soon. The code is pretty stable nowdays.
< 1301705064 589178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cheated with that one, spawned a new thread to look into the trivial problem rather than devoting brain cells to it
< 1301705074 817266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka: asked my reading-mathematics friend)
< 1301705086 849342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just to give him a taste of what his degree will go towards!)
< 1301705090 199747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(being bugged with trivialities!)
< 1301705096 399110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what? I don't get the context of that line " i cheated with that one, [...]"
< 1301705103 235027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the O(1) wrapping
< 1301705105 630006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1301705119 750000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reading is the Posh(tm) term for studying, before you ask
< 1301705123 728625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, getting-a-degree-in
< 1301705130 947464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what math friend? oerjan?
< 1301705140 709321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. not someone in this channel
< 1301705143 723966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1301705149 426841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's wrong with oerjan?
< 1301705150 775736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think oerjan's mathematics got read quite some time ago :D
< 1301705157 376542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's true
< 1301705158 727473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't trust him to actually do work :D
< 1301705172 463744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean he will tell you to do it yourself?
< 1301705180 215697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he'll just sulk off.
< 1301705183 162349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301705214 646930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I used System.Posix.Env rather than foreign.
< 1301705215 943600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how loser of me.
< 1301705241 186636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Show fp, Typeable fp,
< 1301705241 371450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Typeable (FPGlobalState fp),
< 1301705241 575680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Typeable (FPIPState fp),
< 1301705241 741505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Show (FPGlobalState fp),
< 1301705241 741688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Show (FPIPState fp)) =>
< 1301705241 906572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fingerprint fp where
< 1301705245 554316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive
< 1301705258 402908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, I used System.Posix.Env rather than foreign. <-- why is that an issue?
< 1301705288 487908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows!
< 1301705302 936327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1301706134 542844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, multics was written in a (relatively) HLL (for the 60s)
< 1301706175 415493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, PL/I it seems
< 1301706590 828077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: i don't trust him to actually do work :D <-- YOU ARE WISE BEYOND YOUR YEARS. well, sometimes.
< 1301706737 699050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in this channel said before that draws occur 50% in cricket. I suppose one way to make draws occur less often is to make the rules changed a bit during the last half hour of play.
< 1301706783 121687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do we have someone who actually understand the rules of cricket in here?
< 1301706800 816422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was impossible unless you played it
< 1301706821 529121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't even watch it
< 1301706829 854402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the word "forum" for a BBS dates back to the 60s (multics)
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< 1301706867 624115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, could be 70s
< 1301706869 518209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It isn't impossible. It is just a bit difficult.
< 1301706995 506710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ... ... ... I suggest you look up hyperbole in a dictionary.
< 1301707092 58475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, multics has similarities to my system
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< 1301707117 579074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What similarities?
< 1301707132 677276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :many
< 1301707179 235301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a few?
< 1301707247 722456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fs/ram unification, use of paging, use of REPL as shell...
< 1301707251 164447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"502 Bad Gateway" --mining.bitcoin.cz
< 1301707253 606952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the sound of that, nginx
< 1301707386 666135 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please tell me what REPL means?
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< 1301708008 393272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Read-Eval-Print-Loop.
< 1301708024 450821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (repl) (display (eval (read))) (newline) (repl)) ;; an example (minimal) REPL in scheme
< 1301708039 589401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, a prompt that lets you input program snippets, have them evaluated, and see the result.
< 1301708050 9849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interactive shell is this for the language sh
< 1301708098 27255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, algol 68 called a procedure printf. wonder if it does the same as c printf.
< 1301708141 715294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, well kinda
< 1301708147 90249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a variadic print procedure
< 1301708151 546272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of
< 1301708153 898949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf (($2l"The sum is:"x, g(0)$, m + n)); ¢ prints the same as: ¢
< 1301708154 104013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :print ((new line, new line, "The sum is:", space, whole (m + n, 0))
< 1301708222 964068 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org NICK :libc\x2Eso
< 1301708236 612908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it at now -- $5,000? Hit your limit yet?
< 1301708254 461916 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to discuss it in this channel.
< 1301708268 179726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1301709786 614025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's a record time for finding christ
< 1301709800 411869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could enter the christianlympics
< 1301709906 111738 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's addquotable :P
< 1301709927 642692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION CACKLES EVILLY AS HE PLACES HIS $5,000 BID
< 1301709935 272233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT WAS ME ALL ALONG
< 1301709941 614907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION CACKLES SOME MORE
< 1301709962 143523 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote 00:07:15: -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.). 00:12:58: -!- Sgeo has joined #esoteric.
< 1301709964 762661 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you won't addquote it :P
< 1301709964 927829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :344) 00:07:15: -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.). 00:12:58: -!- Sgeo has joined #esoteric.
< 1301709978 925413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 344
< 1301709979 884096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof*
< 1301709987 697702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reformatting)
< 1301709988 151881 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why?
< 1301709990 21472 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1301710012 121654 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see when I said that the baker should support s/// lines? >: )
< 1301710013 306154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote 00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.) 00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric.
< 1301710015 41281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :344) 00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.) 00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric.
< 1301710026 363795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes there's inconsistency wrt quit vs joined formatting, yes it looks better this way :P)
< 1301710027 135124 :wawawareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wareya
< 1301710032 663994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: X_X
< 1301710038 629393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: I was gonna do a client plugin for that once :P
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< 1301710302 903780 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1301710306 519609 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the delayed reply
< 1301710311 531232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said something?
< 1301710312 827294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1301710329 37747 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi variable
< 1301710332 517184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1301710334 181658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1301710336 33538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say anything else
< 1301710339 202057 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1301710342 510962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1301710347 64872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what i was gonna say!!!!
< 1301710365 879192 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw: what about w3m vs links?
< 1301710372 576560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you just joined
< 1301710378 200746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: right. i like w3m a lot.
< 1301710382 715731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't really similar to links though.
< 1301710388 691521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m is more like lynx that doesn't suck
< 1301710394 122155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :links is more like a graphical browser rendered to a tty
< 1301710417 374551 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is e.g. a WebKit backend for curses.
< 1301710420 20298 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be weird.
< 1301710424 276875 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be the best text browser.
< 1301710441 646064 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: no. A Presto backend
< 1301710467 546788 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Good luck with convincing Opera :P
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< 1301710495 331715 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :best april fools joke today: "The GNOME Project is a community which comes together to make great software. "
< 1301710509 366163 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: I wish I had something witty to put here...
< 1301710521 67836 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: fine, find, Trident
< 1301710526 77793 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fine, fine
< 1301710532 222997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : best april fools joke today: "The GNOME Project is a community which comes together to make great software. "
< 1301710533 272400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch :D
< 1301710571 249871 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Saying this as somebody who hates Apple and has painful experiences with WebKit, what do you have against WebKit?
< 1301710631 239526 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: absolutely nothing
< 1301710636 107538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how everyone (programmer) who hates Apple loves WebKit and LLVM, in fact the two seem almost directly correlated :P
< 1301710636 273275 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making a joke
< 1301710642 36614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so angsty!
< 1301710652 311628 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hate apple and love webkit and llvm :-p
< 1301710659 969730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: see!
< 1301710660 526496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :angst!
< 1301710681 925260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no opinion on WebKit, although I do use it. And I like the idea of LLVM, but know little about it. Then again, the fact that I rarely actually write code...
< 1301710702 354543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINE QUICKER, GPU
< 1301710705 86404 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have compiled WebKit. Many times. It has done things to me that are horribly inappropriate.
< 1301710708 724869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINE MINE MINE
< 1301710724 698844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: It's sorry, it's just... it's just... it's just somewhat Sparta *breaks down sobbing*
< 1301710737 58222 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, that's v8 :P
< 1301710745 544486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S SOMEWHAT SPAAAARTAAAA ;;;__;;;;
< 1301710880 425358 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :V8 is twisted
< 1301710894 870683 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some insane optimizations - but is completely twisted
< 1301710925 200403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define twisted
< 1301710958 278771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that js-heavy things are STILL quite slow IRL even with insane things like v8 worries me
< 1301710965 548870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno what causes it, though
< 1301710968 221042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the DOM, nobody likes the DOM
< 1301710972 361127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's blame the DOM
< 1301711090 528978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the .p2p has turned into the worst proposal evar
< 1301711095 572645 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly DOM, rendering and the conversion layers between JS and the real implementation of the DOM.
< 1301711105 701623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :central authority (LOL), based on trusting existing CAs (LOL)
< 1301711108 848669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Require ownership of the same domain under another tld (like .net,.com,.org)"
< 1301711113 478867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and first-come first serve
< 1301711114 58055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1301711126 48060 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ... the point?
< 1301711132 969837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point? to fail
< 1301711143 233102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously it was to create a decentralised naming system after the revocation rights were abused
< 1301711145 29311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I forget in what case)
< 1301711150 741725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think it was the wikileaks debacle
< 1301711162 531417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, no
< 1301711164 260293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICANN domain seizures
< 1301711164 795551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1301711169 489258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1301711171 731066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :US domain seizures
< 1301711177 38074 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to own some semi-provocative .xxx domain with totally uninteresting content, just to be the only non-porn domain on .xxx (that doesn't just forward elsewhere)
< 1301711177 921869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice typo there
< 1301711196 744787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get scholarly-discussion.xxx
< 1301711218 493636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnofficialOverclockingEULA = I confirm that I am aware of unofficial overclocking limitations and fully understand that MSI will not provide me any support on it
< 1301711220 897827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ BEST SETTING EVER
< 1301711226 990214 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, I would get college-action.xxx and then it'll just be a discussion of various scholarly topics.
< 1301711237 515611 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the character that in vim means "the entire file" (as a range)?
< 1301711252 386311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: hot-college-teen-actions: What to do if you're a female college student and just need to cool down!
< 1301711258 508634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*action:
< 1301711263 516495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, forgot to mention female in there.
< 1301711269 755604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot-teen-college-girl-action
< 1301711343 225249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So did you find Christ?
< 1301711384 901939 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot-christ-on-college-girl-action.xxx // about college students finding Jesus
< 1301711452 967176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did find an empty cave...
< 1301711463 505338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck-me-jesus-say-wet-lesbian-college-girls: Girls in college, who happen to be lesbian, after a water pistol fight, realise the inaccuracy of their previous beliefs and exclaim "Fuck me -- Jesus!", as an admittance that Jesus is the answer.
< 1301711471 167029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xxx
< 1301711475 673973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that came out wrong. I did not intend for that to sound serious
< 1301711488 85834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: THAT EMPTY CAVE IS JESUS.
< 1301711510 431643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: So anyway, about "semi-provocative" :P
< 1301711521 21746 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1301711533 371511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:JesusOrgy.jpg
< 1301711569 766163 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1301711668 464753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: for ex mode ranges, %
< 1301711691 591573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for normal mode, G provided you are at the beginning to start with
< 1301711730 630268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i figured it out
< 1301711749 554497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 1G if you are at the end
< 1301711757 707995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare for a visitor
< 1301711759 934380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be stately
< 1301711764 240136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give an s command that would replace the first letter of a word with F and the remaining letters with U?
< 1301711774 857048 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like a lot of the new TLDs.
< 1301711787 922222 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know vi doesn't support perl regexes, so i'm not sure how to do it
< 1301711801 556367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xxx isn't a tld
< 1301711819 173010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you could replace all with U first, then replace the first with F
< 1301711831 631001 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't matter. I still do not like a lot of the new TLDs.
< 1301711844 322922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose s/./U/ would do the former. how do i do the latter?
< 1301711850 791242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Go up above where .xxx was mentioned in this channel)
< 1301711854 965162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like .coop?
< 1301711859 551923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\ You don't have port: your domain is deregistered :-)
< 1301712404 792765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll use those auto porn detection systems
< 1301712412 891837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rig up the _no porn_ output to automatic deregistration
< 1301712425 46880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones that come up as porn will be forwarded on to agents for... uhhh... double checking
< 1301712426 348525 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hope so
< 1301712439 552622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY A SAFE HAVEN ON THE INTERNET WHERE PORN IS PROTECTED
< 1301712449 726238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, same with .museum, since a museum could get .com or .org instead probably (depending on whether the museum is commercial)
< 1301712451 574083 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: except in india
< 1301712457 852543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDIA IS BANNED
< 1301712459 330095 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO .com, .net, .org, countries --> no more
< 1301712462 332193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they blocking .xxx or something?
< 1301712462 890360 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1301712471 859163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that leaves no space for individuals
< 1301712473 616694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i find country tlds lame
< 1301712481 902574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT they're only ever used to reduce name conflicts
< 1301712485 432515 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://thenextweb.com/asia/2011/03/24/india-to-block-xxx-top-level-domain/
< 1301712488 782100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to show idiotic patriotism
< 1301712502 88979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give yourself a .me.uk, you move to America, your domain is now silly
< 1301712508 585096 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IMHO country TLDs are basically for the government sites. I don't even want to see .co.uk or whatever
< 1301712515 456485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your corporation gets a .fi, expands to become international, your domain is now silly
< 1301712518 11271 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are useful for localization
< 1301712528 628741 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I prefer the http headers for that
< 1301712531 479284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you create patriotismhooray.us, you put waving american flag gifs on it, I hate you
< 1301712538 236168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: agreed wrt headers
< 1301712541 973679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they suck for users
< 1301712546 583775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody knows about them
< 1301712548 85650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the UI is hidden
< 1301712556 268348 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the interface needs to expose a "pick a language for this site"
< 1301712559 480696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1301712570 329050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: anyway, I would also add some personal TLD
< 1301712572 530944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd have to be non-lame
< 1301712584 37710 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: personal tld? ie for random people?
< 1301712584 299191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.me is supremely lame (and yet another cctld abuse), .name is also lame
< 1301712589 330835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because of the first.last.name thing
< 1301712591 34303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just idiotic
< 1301712596 635132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: for people in general
< 1301712605 197422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people aren't organisations, corporations or ISPs
< 1301712605 362535 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: .me is fine
< 1301712611 428726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but .me is really cheesy.
< 1301712624 540180 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I want to see the TLD meanings enforced though
< 1301712635 993866 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie corps CAN'T get a .me name
< 1301712638 213763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Meh -- I don't like TLDs much
< 1301712641 216808 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .org is meant for NFPs
< 1301712641 410323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does there exist a series of regex subsitutions that takes a string like "what the hell was elliott talking about?" and make it be "TROL OLO LOLO LOL OLOLOLO LOLOLOL OLOLOL"
< 1301712647 178162 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or related types
< 1301712657 810147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fuck.me ?
< 1301712659 262918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OpenNIC are also pretty bad -- the things they use TLDs for are not what they should be used for, with the possible (maybe) exception of .null and .glue. Maybe even .micro. But all of them ought to be reduced to three letters, and .micro should be registered as subdomains for countries and then subdomains of those as the normal domains, so all .micro would need at least three parts of the domain name instead of two.
< 1301712663 793075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: they're really just Yet Another attempt to impose a Great Ontology of Everything
< 1301712671 551170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which never works and never will or can work
< 1301712692 862464 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't necc. like a hierarchical system. But can you provide a different unique identifier per "site" ?
< 1301712697 906340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION biCYCles on elliott's head
< 1301712707 260081 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that doesn't reduce to a hash or other non-rememberable thing)
< 1301712710 452596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm not sure. I'm also not sure you need to or want to.
< 1301712714 948142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Naming is very, very hard.
< 1301712721 751178 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a gopher service too, but gopher is the protocol, it doesn't belong in the TLD.
< 1301712724 453642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naming is possibly the hardest thing in systems.
< 1301712739 616305 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the two hardest things in computer science are naming things, cache invalidation, and off-by-one errors
< 1301712744 220764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yes yes yes :P
< 1301712745 299917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so, you'd be opposed to gmail.email ?
< 1301712747 128096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1301712753 184842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But naming is the hardest by far (for systems and not actual programming).
< 1301712759 310408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. I would be opposed to that too.
< 1301712762 641344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Anyway, while I'm not a complete decentralisation nut like some people, I do find DNS worrying.
< 1301712794 206544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :en.wikipedia.http
< 1301712804 680764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Anyway, squaring Zooko's triangle is still something I think about on a regular basis.
< 1301712814 107465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :illegalbooks.ftp
< 1301712814 661991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/squarezooko seems quite promising.
< 1301712838 470922 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm follow DNS and related constructs very closely (IETF mailing lists, NANOG, DNS-operations, etc) I find the discussion very interest
< 1301712850 465341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yeah, I'm not the type to follow mailing lists religiously though.
< 1301712853 782727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The protocol does not belong in the TLD. If you have multiple computers on the network with different protocols, use the leftmost part to indicate the protocol, not the rightmost part.
< 1301712854 233392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :espresso.coffee
< 1301712873 185235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im-a-teapot.coffee
< 1301712875 587176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In @, a global name would actually just reference an object, and you only really ever need one: past that, you can handle your own naming to your heart's content. Of course the same applies to DNS.
< 1301712895 537520 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agreed. the TLDs are just namespace reduction devices
< 1301712900 619608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in @ I'm pretty sure the naming system would just be a (bidirectional) map of name to object hash. (Object hash retrieval is a separate concern.)
< 1301712903 216549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is allocating this map.
< 1301712909 728108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And distributing it.
< 1301712921 844601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: you might want to read that blog post, it's very interesting
< 1301712928 515054 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how is BitCoin human-meaningful?
< 1301712946 280334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what Knuth said about naming things in computer science, in writing programs, is look in a thesaurus if you need help.
< 1301712958 988028 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "dynamically translating between different possible kinds of names." --> this is how phonebooks work
< 1301712961 986137 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, BitCoin is meaningful for experimental purposes only.
< 1301712968 885220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I do not mean the article on zooko's triangle :P
< 1301712972 59967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I mean http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/squarezooko
< 1301712976 753369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's not really the same as a phonebook I don't think
< 1301712983 13896 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: similar idea
< 1301712989 527697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: bitcoin can be and is traded for real-world currency and goods
< 1301712995 502293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: not really
< 1301713000 15107 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sgeo: bitcount is based on very unsound economics
< 1301713002 818205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I don't think anyone's proposed this before bitcoin
< 1301713005 860657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it is not
< 1301713009 303266 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* economics
< 1301713010 43832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin is perfectly sound
< 1301713041 518502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yes, is one thing I mean. BitCoin is good for experimental purposes.
< 1301713045 174225 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, I don't mean the economics part, although I'd be interesting in you describing how it's unsound. I'm more thinking how anyone thinks BitCoin has anything to do with human-meaningful names
< 1301713048 935690 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: reading that blog post
< 1301713063 810074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do respond about bitcoin, though
< 1301713182 623408 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't have the time to defend myself right now, but the basic idea is that early adopters get a uncatchable advantage in event of a sudden increase in number of users
< 1301713194 269001 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1301713202 240974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: please don't make such strong statements if you won't defend them.
< 1301713206 27291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really bad for the discourse.
< 1301713224 703556 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll defend it in a couple of days (ask me after monday)
< 1301713231 549444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Anyway, that is not really true at all: if you mean because mining gets harder and then ends, mining isn't the most efficient way to get bitcoins at all.
< 1301713251 510802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths?
< 1301713254 892855 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301713264 837072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a yes to my have you read? it was quite quick.
< 1301713273 612639 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I have read that before
< 1301713290 86207 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm repeating the conclusion section of articles in economics journals
< 1301713302 428479 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the reasoning to a basic extent
< 1301713313 800088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: There are plenty of articles making plenty of conclusions in plenty of journals.
< 1301713335 825287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you truly have discovered a fatal flaw in Bitcoin, I'm sure the developers would love to know about it, but I very much doubt it.
< 1301713341 570757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or if they have.)
< 1301713349 946912 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: these flaws are not 'fatal' flaws
< 1301713364 99558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said "based on very unsound economics".
< 1301713375 647723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that are based on very unsound things don't tend to be salvageable.
< 1301713380 368078 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I should have said: 'possibly based on unsound ...'
< 1301713390 110988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I would disagree :)
< 1301713424 234865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's getting a bit too close to conspiracy theories for me to state this without implicit quotes, but it has to be said that the kind of people who write in economics journals _might_ have slightly vested interests.
< 1301713427 30962 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are other issues relating to fraud and such (as in securities fraud, not "I have a fake bitcoin" fraud)
< 1301713431 507770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this should not affect the validity of the raw logic itself.
< 1301713465 517276 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. Ask me after monday and I'll fully defend myself (or at least my understanding of the original author's argument)
< 1301713474 108421 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I *could* be wrong
< 1301713482 588898 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding of economics is minimal
< 1301713485 560178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't know
< 1301713499 356806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only advantage early adopters of bitcoin have is that they can mine faster and more, and in a wider view, they are the only ones who can mine at all. But considering the real-world cash exchanges, the fact that you can buy substantial real-world goods with bitcoins (albeit not very commonly), and the fact that some people will even pay you for freelancing work in bitcoins (but again rarely), and I
< 1301713499 550646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that mining is irrelevant in the long-run.
< 1301713518 764184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think bitcoin is any more subject to securities fraud than any other currency.
< 1301713521 225128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's my initial statement.
< 1301713534 673195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I have a vested interest too as a miner is currently hogging up my utterly terrible GPU, but :)
< 1301713574 559689 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha
< 1301713578 344547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: So we're on the same page, can you agree that if Bitcoin was, in your opinion, not flawed in the economic thing, it would be a Very Good Thing?
< 1301713627 91143 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would still like the diversity that having multiple currencies gives (in event that something *does* happen) but in general I would agree that it is a Good Thing
< 1301713642 137574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, certainly, more currencies is a good thing.
< 1301713653 706914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they should have to compete :-)
< 1301713675 831023 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tracing a coin's history can be used to connect identities to addresses. More info. " ---> this is also a major issue
< 1301713694 702801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is possibly an impressive feat of cognitive dissonance to maintain slightly left-wing economic opinions and support bitcoin which is a very libertarian system; I haven't decided yet.)
< 1301713719 343550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that's true, but it is not as big a deal as it seems
< 1301713726 698066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: for one, you can use a new address for every transaction if you wish
< 1301713740 696777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: for two, you can avoid creating a new record by agreeing with the receiver to not pay the (optional) transaction fee
< 1301713763 43699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: and three, if you really want to break any record, just convert it to another currency and back
< 1301713773 986186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: "While the Bitcoin technology can support strong anonymity, the current implementation is usually not very anonymous."
< 1301713774 335206 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've been described as a libertarian - but I disagree with some, but not all, libertarian views
< 1301713788 893806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a supporter of taxes :-p
< 1301713790 414459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:-P
< 1301713814 144068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Less ridiculously stated, I'm a supporter of public services, which require funds.)
< 1301713817 663812 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anarchy != librarian
< 1301713825 472439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANARCHY IS A LIBRARIAN
< 1301713828 149455 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Librarian?
< 1301713828 643221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN THE LIBRARIAN REVOLUTION
< 1301713834 818879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOKS WILL SET US FREE!!!!
< 1301713838 192186 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: blame aspell
< 1301713845 905727 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*libertarian
< 1301713847 581791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I never said libertarianism was anarchy.
< 1301713851 375893 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I support *some* public services
< 1301713855 980650 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all
< 1301713862 230622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: But libertarians definitely oppose large (to them) taxes.
< 1301713871 732791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which public services?
< 1301713874 625720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: do you support single-payer healthcare? (to use the common term)
< 1301713919 576709 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: libertarians oppose unneeded taxes, but anarchists say 'taxes are wrong' (or many of them do)
< 1301713943 374501 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-payer healthcare -> basically no
< 1301713948 983866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: the line is often blurred. consider those who desire no taxes but those which are required to support a police force
< 1301713953 239156 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my view is somewhat nuanced
< 1301713958 923923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or in ridiculous cases, a police force that somehow requires no taxes)
< 1301713962 885220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ofc these are idiots)
< 1301713967 81938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does not paying a transaction fee leave anything off the record?
< 1301713980 576163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: then we disagree on a basically fundamental level.
< 1301713986 223554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I doubt that is reconcilable
< 1301713994 162625 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably
< 1301714001 138092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgive my cynicism but i've forgotten, what country do you originate from?
< 1301714006 229249 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :united states
< 1301714011 423765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgive my cynicism again, but I'm not surprised
< 1301714197 262818 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "the power has been shifted into your own hands. Fraud will always exist. It's up to you to only send bitcoins to trusted entities" --> another issue. In the real world people routinely have to deal with untrusted entities
< 1301714216 551571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generate new address, send bitcoin to whoever, never use it again
< 1301714223 203507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: also: escrow
< 1301714250 578294 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Terrorists fly aircrafts into buildings, but the governments have not yet abolished consumer air travel. " --> false in the US :-)
< 1301714260 739575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hur hur hur
< 1301714277 345678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now air travel only for the molested
< 1301714280 349221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a kind service
< 1301714291 578114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not molested? No problem! They take care of that for you before you get on the plane.
< 1301714323 766911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should move somewhere that isn't the UK so I can have my European superiority generator working honestly
< 1301714346 577985 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha
< 1301714354 733840 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would love to link in the .eu
< 1301714358 221586 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*live
< 1301714370 895374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://example.eu
< 1301714402 478219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice place. What with our universal healthcare and all OH BURN
< 1301714452 706406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Problem with .eu is, colder it is, nicer it is :P
< 1301714462 891757 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: .ru is the nicest ?
< 1301714463 241905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes warmth
< 1301714467 533109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until you get to Finland, where the coldness actually causes every personality to freeze and become stone cold.
< 1301714483 65025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after a step into Russia, it gets so cold that everyone becomes insane.
< 1301714532 841051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts elliott in Antarctica
< 1301714535 97901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this miner is a horrible reminder of how pitiful my gpu is :(
< 1301714599 145705 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :.an Dissolved as of October 10, 2010 :-(
< 1301714623 411316 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :.aq Antarctica --> WOW
< 1301714667 759732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :antarctica is awesome
< 1301714721 386958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: also: With no population, there is no indigenous economic activity. The islands' only natural resource is fish; the Australian government allows limited fishing in the surrounding waters.[19] Despite the lack of population, the islands have been assigned the country code HM in ISO 3166-1 (ISO 3166-2:HM) and therefore the Internet top-level domain .hm. The timezone of the islands is UTC+5.[20]
< 1301714723 138369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard island
< 1301714732 345500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.hm: BEST DOMAIN EVER?
< 1301714735 719072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TLD
< 1301714752 203949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ http://praise.hm/
< 1301714763 330865 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes
< 1301714774 678359 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :although .aq competes with .hm
< 1301714779 929872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browser not working, is that link to an actual site?
< 1301714796 607451 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how I register a .hm domain ?
< 1301714819 686798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.registry.hm/
< 1301714825 514209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$35/yr
< 1301714836 852943 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION registers ham.hm
< 1301714838 192134 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1301714846 656683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.hm
< 1301714875 258767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I once wanted to write a script to query all single letter domains dot two-letter ccTLD names, and then filter out the registered ones, the ones that show as "invalid", and then manually filter out the ones with a minimum length polic
< 1301714876 815032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*policy
< 1301714893 629633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I firmly believe it is possible to register a three-letter-plus-dot domain name today, just very difficult to find one
< 1301714903 470526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know .st make a big deal about charging a lot for shorter ones
< 1301714907 139829 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do it
< 1301714913 987887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you can get a single-letter one for $9999999999/yr
< 1301714926 319920 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: algorit.hm
< 1301714929 449021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: after bit.ly had to censor things because of sharia law, I've soured to the idea of domain hacks.
< 1301714944 83754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bit.ly censored stuff?
< 1301714948 37471 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: o.hm
< 1301714955 545231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.hm
< 1301714955 886107 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there was talk of it - duno if they actually did
< 1301714962 315415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish.hm
< 1301714972 465860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill.hm
< 1301714981 905697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.uh.hm
< 1301714994 32903 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would get o.hm - but I don't want to spend $35
< 1301715005 227423 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :per year (cause I'd keep it)
< 1301715011 601303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be longer
< 1301715012 708925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked
< 1301715014 157074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deceptionisland.aq ;; COOLEST NAME FOR AN ISLAND ON COOLEST TLD
< 1301715021 17274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately requires www. for website, LESSENING THE AWESOME)
< 1301715033 679486 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it requires a WWW ?
< 1301715037 162961 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1301715046 103276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they set up their dns badly, presumably
< 1301715071 760249 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want a cool domain name I could use for an IRC cloak :-p
< 1301715079 711264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a hcl.aq ?
< 1301715097 148913 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :.aq is restricted to governments and people with a physical presence
< 1301715195 18047 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Educational and scientific institutions operating in the region served by the HM domain are entitled to free registration of an appropriately selected domain name.
< 1301715196 951701 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-|
< 1301715211 745794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christian URL shorteners. What's next, Christian Linux distros?
< 1301715220 809669 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets up an educational Institute
< 1301715238 40625 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not next, before: Ichthux
< 1301715247 768338 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301715247 768472 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L
< 1301715250 982569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1301715252 902708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, I had Ubuntu Christian Edition in mind, actually
< 1301715253 874287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test2
< 1301715256 827536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test3
< 1301715259 144427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1301715280 736839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, technically my code will hang for a bit if the server sends a partial line then waits for ages to complete
< 1301715282 37966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who does that
< 1301715284 715999 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like your last quit message?
< 1301715293 891292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: IN THE REGION
< 1301715302 639974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: good luck living on an uninhabited island :D
< 1301715318 400321 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "a virtual online system to learn about the .hm region"
< 1301715319 940357 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-p
< 1301715323 561754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har
< 1301715350 658428 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and when you go their the page is empty
< 1301715359 731538 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is a listing of the inhabitants
< 1301715360 857577 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1301715366 818214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this white page adequately represents the appearance of these islands"
< 1301715370 839170 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* go there
< 1301715382 77147 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1301715397 768752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if it is not white on your computer, please adjust your browser settings for optimum results."
< 1301715400 597651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers grabbing an Ubuntu SE wallpaper
< 1301715406 780494 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: reminds me of purple.com
< 1301715411 833505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :purple.com is awesome
< 1301715425 423679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a subdomain where the guy had actual stuff on, but THE MYSTERY REMAINS
< 1301715433 545481 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know the guy
< 1301715439 100960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha really?
< 1301715440 47781 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guys
< 1301715442 66254 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah
< 1301715446 363879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said he actually uses purple in the faq
< 1301715451 175221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i went on a mission to find it :P
< 1301715454 217266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*purple.com
< 1301715454 773793 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which subdomain did you find ?)
< 1301715473 352461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget
< 1301715476 477021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just had some photos or something
< 1301715478 696276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been a path
< 1301715480 606083 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1301715482 661346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some mountain or another :P
< 1301715493 213586 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fav thing is his donation page
< 1301715493 421593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find the purple itself to be an inadequate purple on my display, however
< 1301715506 153304 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME
< 1301715508 786778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm considering suing
< 1301715524 870403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.purple.com/availability.html
< 1301715528 656879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: goalse.cx
< 1301715532 846830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to lease purple.com
< 1301715534 765485 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: support personnel often use purple.com because its easy to say over the phone
< 1301715545 764994 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is fast loading
< 1301715548 353246 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rarely down
< 1301715550 163533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: don't you mean: competent support personnel
< 1301715562 569296 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *sigh* yes
< 1301715568 594173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :always qualify tiny subsets :-P
< 1301715577 486095 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on IRC I'm not very precise
< 1301715583 947361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRECISENESS IS MANDATORY
< 1301715596 324528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this channel doesn't wear you out how will we ever weed the oldbies out
< 1301715601 304108 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smacks elliott with trout
< 1301715609 203962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has only lasted with his age with extended use of sarcasm
< 1301715610 104855 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this channel is with ##cs should be
< 1301715624 671220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for ##cs set by Quadrescence at Tue Nov 30 19:18:07 2010
< 1301715631 316176 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unrelated - do you guys give cloaks - I want something other than unaffiliated)
< 1301715632 55512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god Quadrescence stopped bothering us.
< 1301715640 700055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: we're not a group afaik :P
< 1301715645 16107 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe
< 1301715651 825675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: we might have trouble registering as one, because we don't reaaally own the term esoteric
< 1301715656 804100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we worked out we have a pretty good claim
< 1301715663 336194 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't matter - you have the esolong wiki
< 1301715667 677634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang, but not esoteric
< 1301715669 749838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esolang is ugly :-P
< 1301715679 783178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, were this channel created today it would be ##esoteric. thank god it wasn't, because ## is ugly.
< 1301715680 886562 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: same idea. I could do for you guys if you want
< 1301715687 66235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ops have to register it?
< 1301715694 396824 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually yeah
< 1301715698 923889 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably +F
< 1301715702 258195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Information on ##cs:
< 1301715702 442423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Founder : dixon
< 1301715703 246224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1301715708 642083 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no wait
< 1301715709 464390 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lied
< 1301715712 254138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dixon is Quadrescence's other moronic troll friend.
< 1301715712 418340 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smacks self
< 1301715718 63991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hardly surprised ##cs is a shithole
< 1301715722 113137 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ops *don't* have to register
< 1301715730 162185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but you could be posing as us
< 1301715732 381904 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as long as you have control of the website
< 1301715740 125818 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give you a token to put on
< 1301715740 682981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have control of "the esoteric website" though :D
< 1301715755 421177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Registered : Jan 03 01:30:22 2003 (8 years, 13 weeks, 0 days, 02:11:51 ago)
< 1301715760 275307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i swear we were registered in 2006 a while ago
< 1301715762 592481 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you want to go through with this I could talk to the opers
< 1301715762 757575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some DB got merged
< 1301715767 528636 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know a bunch of them
< 1301715778 234383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: well it's not my decision to make really
< 1301715785 714765 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you == #esoteric
< 1301715787 737383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy with my cloak... but a nice domain name is nicer than a nice cloak :P
< 1301715798 936215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: hmm, i can think of at least seventy people who would balk at that statement
< 1301715802 121389 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fing fire alwrm
< 1301715806 994332 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is away
< 1301715813 509935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. always bothering us about fires and shit.
< 1301715817 594939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say let it burn, i'm busy ircing!
< 1301715847 894136 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ever useful in cricket, to sacrifice a wicket by handling the ball or in any other way?
< 1301715849 666433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jeff.purple.com/ oh here we go.
< 1301715852 235956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah google finds this trivially.
< 1301715872 62667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that guy's photo is freaking me out argh get back on
< 1301715972 612715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.purple.com/index2.html, done googlestalking now :-P
< 1301716063 415457 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm happy with my cloak... but a nice domain name is nicer than a nice cloak :P // I AGREE lololol*runs*
< 1301716080 654270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :says gregor, guy who doesn't even run an identd for a nicer prefix
< 1301716092 292539 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't figure it out *sobblecopter*
< 1301716113 915316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run a fake one that only works for you
< 1301716122 466125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh
< 1301716124 129113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read line
< 1301716129 70228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$line : USERID : UNIX : Gregor"
< 1301716135 1567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put in inetd for whatever the ident port is
< 1301716140 455005 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301716173 193081 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301716187 718444 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, but then e.g. glogbot couldn't have "glogbot" as its ident ... it'd be nice to have an identd that any process could say "dear identd: Please lie for me in this way" :P
< 1301716198 824436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Yes, but it'd be better than what you have :P
< 1301716204 796365 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1301716211 444996 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1301716217 583789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: There's one identd that just responds with the user that initiated the TCP connection in question.
< 1301716225 616481 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a domain name too but the reverse DNS doesn't work so instead it displays the service provider, which, I suppose, can sometimes be useful in case the country I live is important for some case (which usually isn't, though).
< 1301716226 101590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://skarnet.org/software/minidentd/index.html
< 1301716233 536617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those djb-freak /package dealies though, so YMMV :)
< 1301716243 854876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that it'd be hard to move out.)
< 1301716255 963781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, well, I think you do need ucspi-tcp. Maybe.)
< 1301716269 603224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, there's also the http://smarden.org/ipsvd/ clone :-P
< 1301716337 218555 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am deciding to use LodePNG for my program. Have any of you ever used LodePNG, or libpng or some other libraries for loading/saving pictures, in your program? Which ones?
< 1301716410 572227 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses floating point only for deciding Huffman encoding, so there is nothing that would cause different pictures input/output on different computers.
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< 1301716837 301690 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1301716853 280213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1301716860 904431 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed nullidentd, it got the auth response, but it sent "foobar" instead of "Gregor" as I specified as an argument >_<
< 1301716871 579177 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foobar being the brilliant default)
< 1301716896 420432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: You don't need a piece of software for a two-line shell script X_X
< 1301716933 607311 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know how to do an inetd line :P
< 1301716998 442755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1301717000 196979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--/etc/inetd.conf
< 1301717127 168039 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some jackass pulled the alarm
< 1301717149 473473 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me
< 1301717162 31033 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways: are you personally interested in the group, if yes, do you think it would be a good idea to get this going?
< 1301717183 600015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really personally interested, but I'm not opposed :P
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< 1301717190 524041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: didn't work
< 1301717192 367406 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Guest15127
< 1301717194 427836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* libc\x2Eso (~Gregor@codu.org) has joined #esoteric
< 1301717201 133092 :Guest15127!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1301717203 207267 :Guest15127!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doublewtf
< 1301717219 187721 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who would be 'in charge'? those with ops?
< 1301717219 767392 :Guest15127!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, did I actually register libc\x2Eso? X-D
< 1301717231 880026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest15127: just trolling, it worked
< 1301717233 196682 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest15127: hehe
< 1301717236 527180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Nobody?
< 1301717241 68782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1301717241 441615 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ha
< 1301717255 275865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I guess fizzie and oerjan. lament is absentee.
< 1301717258 695061 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk
< 1301717263 341061 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will talk to them
< 1301717269 667278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define them
< 1301717277 568692 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and lament ?
< 1301717281 142441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is probably too lazy to get anything out of ;D
< 1301717299 682592 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1301717303 66898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T TELL LAMENT HE'LL BAN EVERYONE
< 1301717314 144948 :Guest15127!Gregor@codu.org NICK :libc\x2Eso
< 1301717410 496602 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hrm?
< 1301717411 63211 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coyote finally caught me" // well bip, that is one unique default quit message :P
< 1301717427 894880 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :who had that message?
< 1301717440 335758 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... me :P
< 1301717446 485774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All default quit messages should be as embarrassing as possible
< 1301717455 506494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Gregor has quit (WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOORESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS)
< 1301717463 769845 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: mine are "/dev/io failed" "I found 1 in /dev/zero" and "overflow in /dev/null" for quit, part, away
< 1301717484 76038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Gregor has quit (USER HAS BEEN DISCONNECTED FOR BEING A TERRIBLE PERSON)
< 1301717510 345939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just type the quit message every time instead of having it in a macro.
< 1301717525 543099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I not surprised.
< 1301717578 218007 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301717701 620504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I like to make it not always the same message.
< 1301717743 713824 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1301718033 380907 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301718222 673257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a array with values 0 to 255 and you need to convert values in that array according to a calculation, is it more efficient to do the calculation every time or to store the results in a lookup table?
< 1301718244 563155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precalculated lookup table
< 1301718259 819886 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is what I thought, good, OK.
< 1301718961 713825 :aloril_!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1301719067 485477 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301719208 867896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, wil wheaton looks a bit moldy indeed
< 1301719624 683245 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301720555 143913 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1301721064 285000 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1301721139 334939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on webifying and simplifying LodePNG. LodePNG has even been converted to D, and then maybe they can also put the port to CWEB listed there too.
< 1301721491 305483 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301721897 570922 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301722296 272642 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
< 1301722298 853058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, wil wheaton looks a bit moldy indeed
< 1301722308 805602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as much as that seducer of unwilling cats
< 1301722579 117763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at his page, he didn't have many mold
< 1301722637 780388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The supervisor for CTSS, the early 1960s predecessor system to Multics, had been written almost entirely in the 7094 assembly program, FAP."
< 1301722644 328216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i can see this document is going to be a lot of fun
< 1301722951 438354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this document makes me want to go back to the late 60s
< 1301722983 896322 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fap fap fap fap fap
< 1301723029 570718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: YOU GOT THE JOKE
< 1301723048 480085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: afaict mold is over now
< 1301723054 712460 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a joke elliott
< 1301723066 768269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but I looked before it ended
< 1301723071 363873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1301723071 528096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had like 2
< 1301723087 956351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs slowly away from lament into a pile of FAP
< 1301723185 357424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An idiotic structure was one that contained an array that began at a different place in the machine word for every element: he actually found that the Known Segment Table had a 37-bit array declared in it, requiring the compiler to generate many instructions to advance from one element to another."
< 1301723187 243629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1301723809 578893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the late 60s were a good time for fapping indeed
< 1301723968 165175 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GHC migratiön tö Git cömplété" indeed
< 1301723976 121655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently dons didn't escape :D
< 1301724041 672341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he has about 500 mold trophies, though
< 1301724048 113876 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I_RAPE_CATS)
< 1301724062 300651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the late 60s were a good time for fapping indeed
< 1301724066 748 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably the effect just wore off somehow
< 1301724066 166361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd know. wait do you know?
< 1301724072 647770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you're actually old enough :(
< 1301724073 813230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was possible to escape, apparently
< 1301724075 913107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, mold spores wear off
< 1301724089 755700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a thread in /r/basement for escaping
< 1301724100 990578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really old enough, i'd be in the womb
< 1301724127 251183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well get out of there already!
< 1301724139 45872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, just after the late 60s
< 1301724151 16479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO SLOW
< 1301724171 382790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so you only got born in like 1970? :/
< 1301724173 48870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite lame
< 1301724175 92149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably ba
< 1301724175 478858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1301724176 420380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1301724177 900804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:
< 1301724181 426550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner got born in like 2002
< 1301724189 327107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you know, fuck him
< 1301724240 917190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/aDJMG.jpg ;; STAY CLASSY, SUN
< 1301724251 564978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the progression from houses to cats is a very serious one.
< 1301724259 189374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they included a picture of hitler for comparison.
< 1301724265 472615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i swear that house is wearing a beret
< 1301724417 110754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet oerjan wears a beret
< 1301724490 380157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear his silence?
< 1301724495 75319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the silence of a beret-wearer.
< 1301724595 701809 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats olsner on the head
< 1301724604 139355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's stupid isn't he :D
< 1301724628 263611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/basement/comments/ggq6i/if_som3on3_miss3s_mold_and_r3ads_our_history/ all this is doing is reminding me i still need to finish binging homestuck...
< 1301724664 329275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall wearing a beret, ever. but then there is a lot i cannot recall.
< 1301724677 884643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sad
< 1301724732 606782 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :adloft houstler
< 1301724766 780370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will you stop coming here oerjan
< 1301724770 752584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're 65?
< 1301724833 589567 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't plan that far ahead.
< 1301724846 757915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL YOU STILL BE HERE WHEN YOU'RE 82
< 1301724855 28832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1301724870 479993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 2052!
< 1301724873 546056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL IRC EVEN EXIST THEN
< 1301724897 545318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i just made oerjan feel good about his age :DDDDD
< 1301724905 886493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's at least hope the replacement is not a step backward
< 1301724927 891775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is there a pun in there
< 1301724934 870405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know of
< 1301724952 624871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well maybe it'll be post-singularity.
< 1301724964 338935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we'll just sort of hook up our minds to each other in a big circle. like /r/circlejerk, but /r/circle...MIND
< 1301724967 168639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you FEELING my VIBE
< 1301724988 718577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and we have to ban certain people lest it become an _actual_ circlejerk
< 1301725004 387222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fucking yorick
< 1301725011 494272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't control him
< 1301725099 224993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for his 512th birthday, we'll buy oerjan a digital scan of a vintage 2010 computer running the lost compiler of GHC
< 1301725125 835709 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind is now doing a few leaps to notice that "kline" is norwegian for making out
< 1301725132 190268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you believe you actually had to type out every single letter you wanted to say to the computer then like a baby, haha
< 1301725166 37670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm trying to think of a suitably joking reply
< 1301725252 83509 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that might be hard
< 1301725283 970648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eine kline nachtmusik
< 1301725310 681604 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music of the night indeed
< 1301725371 262647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How many non-moldy Redditors think we should get trophies for our profiles that say "I Survived the Plague"?"
< 1301725373 95902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this #2
< 1301725376 400497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1301725421 560118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, if you don't upvote my comment in http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/ggu2r/ghc_migrati%C3%B6n_t%C3%B6_git_c%C3%B6mpl%C3%A9t%C3%A9/, the smilies will win
< 1301725425 628134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you have no account
< 1301725427 319042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL GET ONE
< 1301725427 543692 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen anyone who was _killed_ by the plague yet...
< 1301725446 1831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed not. but let's just say that I_RAPE_CATS will never rape again.
< 1301725453 180869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps.
< 1301725475 380766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a sad thing, to be bereft of your life mission
< 1301725698 499786 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1301725918 781457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently emacs's april fools joke was that it wasn't a joke?
< 1301725952 256050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it...
< 1301725991 51767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't
< 1301725995 920253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lexical scoping is still off for files by default
< 1301725999 966686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not _really_ lexically scoped yet
< 1301726015 116313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE SUBTLETIES, VIM USER
< 1301726080 85244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1301726099 295565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1301726128 839657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's f*u* okay)
< 1301726421 607694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was wondering why it sounded so uncharacteristic
< 1301726430 565201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's message memory, like homeopathy
< 1301726475 528405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact i usually use O KAY might _possibly_ have something to do with it...
< 1301726566 710957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, O KAY is getting kinda obnoxious at this point :D
< 1301726637 148377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it's _meant_ to be, silly
< 1301726766 179039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but no really stop it, child.
< 1301726782 351447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION aimed that right at oerjan's offence lobe
< 1301726854 347235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : :<
< 1301726917 693471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my offence lobe exploded from overloading years ago
< 1301726935 250826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone say your FACE looked like a puddle?
< 1301726941 359290 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that was my conscience lobe
< 1301726954 463438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conscientious objectificator
< 1301726969 468243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION captures elliott and applies tickle torture
< 1301726981 735815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's illegal
< 1301726987 411484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prev
< 1301726989 75110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1301726992 461992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well typing is going
< 1301726999 977265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next
< 1301727008 995343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a nxet too
< 1301728494 961578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan
< 1301728496 126759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sfiosdhjoihiogjiogskrfglf
< 1301728539 223402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good day to you, sir
< 1301728546 524101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::))))))
< 1301728548 600950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going to sleep soon
< 1301728549 341685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell
< 1301728582 776598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to check your data
< 1301728593 493755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did you just get up?
< 1301728595 784445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like
< 1301728597 839432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the last N hours
< 1301728604 454243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither
< 1301728604 619583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes scribbles on teletyped data
< 1301728609 727657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typewritered
< 1301728611 373580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: midday?
< 1301728617 723939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scrumples up paper, throws in bin
< 1301728753 948741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :late afternoon, perhaps
< 1301728778 72054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOUR MEASUREMENTS ARE HAYWIRE
< 1301728787 186078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS EXPECTED
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< 1301745544 874376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, webcomics in French are the most ridiculous thing.
< 1301745883 77922 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301746071 551345 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1301747064 834377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webomics are tools of Satan!
< 1301747093 448786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially 1/0! The author compares himself to God!
< 1301747332 826363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that where you found God?
< 1301747352 500953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1301747370 350130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why *were* you looking for him in the first place?)
< 1301747430 156265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he has Alzheimers'. Could injure himself, so much power but not a functioning mind. Probably why he stopped doing miracles.
< 1301747440 262677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need to find him before he hurts himself and the world
< 1301747452 760349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send him to an old god's home.
< 1301747650 454947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Chrome: It should not take forever to load a file that's on my hard drive
< 1301747682 995513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also are you still trying to learn boring maths?
< 1301747761 188599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On hold for the moment
< 1301748900 796499 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1301749807 901503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Vorpal was offline?
< 1301749812 349513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's *never* offline.
< 1301749820 897648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...Vorpal was offline? <-- it's called power outage :P
< 1301749827 715008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's like some horrifying vision, always at the edge of your perception.
< 1301749835 207991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on
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< 1301750766 596287 :Siebenzack!~siebenzac@p54B2AC8A.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi^^
< 1301750772 138557 :Guest27586!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1301750885 224162 :Guest27586!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com NICK :Thunfish
< 1301751089 422594 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-47-197.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301751092 192493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the matrix of solidity.
< 1301751142 494520 :Siebenzack!~siebenzac@p54B2AC8A.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you^^
< 1301751188 608817 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301751232 118824 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301751394 476156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ELISP is now lexically scoped.
< 1301751471 221568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the future have all the non-awesome thing?
< 1301751478 79953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things
< 1301751638 994406 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because assholes like you couldnt resist using a time machine to go to the future and take all the cool stuff
< 1301751644 392607 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assholes you
< 1301751687 70220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, we also stole all the money?
< 1301751691 857926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?/./
< 1301751701 256122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a hard time with punctuation right now.
< 1301751734 856189 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yes
< 1301751781 837900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the REAL reason for the financial crash.)
< 1301753574 471729 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here who wants to try out my implementation of a portable brainfuck compiler in C?
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< 1301757606 170372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thunfish, sure, but there's not really much room for innovation there.
< 1301757710 218928 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but it's using other technics that I haven't seen in other compilers/interpreters, yet.
< 1301757720 680120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, where can we get it?
< 1301757767 167022 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301757783 730962 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thundersf.bplaced.net/bfjit/bfjit.zip
< 1301757813 751866 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lately added an entry to brainfuck discussion page too.
< 1301757878 992571 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried my best to write an english ReadMe.
< 1301758108 62405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me or does your parser do some optimisation as well?
< 1301758189 862718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You might want to look at Esotope, BtW; it's the current best optimising BF compiler.)
< 1301758226 538766 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does.
< 1301758258 857961 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the advice.
< 1301758573 657932 :Siebenzack!~siebenzac@p54B2AC8A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de
< 1301758575 734799 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also at least a couple LLVM-driven brainfucks that do a mostly trivial translation themselves, but of course inherit all the LLVM optimization machinery. (Of course from an iplementation viewpoint that's pretty boring.)
< 1301758664 560993 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In other news, a brief hello from Turku, the okocity.)
< 1301759109 35098 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301759164 72633 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! Esotope generates very well optimized source code. The only disadvantage, I can find is that it needs an external C compiler. My program was meant to be fast and to be independent of external programs, but I haven't heard about Esotope, yet.
< 1301759326 235488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The power of Esotope is in its macroöptimisations, so you could probably just work them into a self-contained compiler.
< 1301759547 593809 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thank you. I will try to implement some more optimisation mechanisms into my compiler.
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< 1301762669 89764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when WP defines conventions, then lists all possible ways to define something.
< 1301762711 122871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when there are two ways to do something and both are widespread.
< 1301763228 686366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is ipv6.google.com and encrypted.google.com, but there seem to be no encrypted ipv6 version, heh
< 1301763264 76226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why does ipv6.google.com say "go to google denmark"... ?
< 1301763274 994116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err Danmark*
< 1301763408 811757 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably doesn't have as good of GeoIP for IPv6 as for IPv4.
< 1301763421 276689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1301763436 683193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to switch the search box in firefox over to use https for google
< 1301763437 817509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, why the name, BtW?
< 1301763438 224457 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or it just knows that in your heart of hearts you desperately want to be Danish.
< 1301763445 212754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, hah
< 1301763451 585929 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I shall not discuss it in this channel :P
< 1301763468 306551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the \x2Eso bit?
< 1301763471 552340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for where to change it... haven't found it yet
< 1301763476 321075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't about:config at least
< 1301763477 194537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that seems a blatant reference to this channel.
< 1301763486 403481 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: \x2E = .
< 1301763491 606723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1301763577 892959 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since . is an invalid character for nicks on Freenode :P
< 1301763648 881927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, and on IRC in general afaik?
< 1301763660 678933 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno what the RFC has to say about it *shrugs*
< 1301763686 861525 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The protocol really has no reason to ban any characters aside from ": \r\n"
< 1301763692 833878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, also @
< 1301763694 105669 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and "!@"
< 1301763697 568918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1301763846 126879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather the folder
< 1301763849 553769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google isn't there however
< 1301763853 581812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia search is
< 1301763855 923144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1301763875 910369 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... guh?
< 1301763877 828465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it is in /usr/lib, not in my profile
< 1301763879 921990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1301763881 743543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel
< 1301763891 439033 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering wtf you were blathering about :P
< 1301763896 26573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, I was talking about the google issue in another channel.
< 1301763897 925270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well
< 1301763975 31104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, so wait, if you're not discussing libc.so here, I assume you're attempting to fundraise elsewhere on Freenode?
< 1301763990 718530 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, just being overexcited :P
< 1301763998 935360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it works
< 1301764006 739441 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, a little bit, but with no success :P )
< 1301764016 14963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you had no chance of getting it?
< 1301764106 634847 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I.
< 1301764119 292572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but?
< 1301764127 559697 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the guy I was sure would get it bowed out, so now it's just me, a few who are clearly out already, and a bunch who haven't bid (and so are wildcards)
< 1301764146 709003 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rate my odds as quite low simply because I'm very near to my limit, but as it stands I'm in the lead.
< 1301764162 263731 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oh yeah, I'm not talking about that in here X-P
< 1301764170 788589 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERASE LAST SIX LINES
< 1301764351 130917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to fire nukes at the tunes.org server?
< 1301764362 614887 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : HALLO I AM GLOGBOT
< 1301764388 803578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot's in someone in here's control, isn't it? No need to fire nukes there
< 1301764415 305269 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is why even bother with tunes.org
< 1301764444 897310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the only log that's outside of our control?
< 1301764478 314363 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So?
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< 1301766179 837395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what've you got against tunes?
< 1301766198 886157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERASE LAST SIX LINES
< 1301766205 284361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And yes, I actually do think that being outside our control is A Good Thing, given Herobrine.)
< 1301766225 264401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bad about Herobrine?
< 1301766239 565705 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suuuuuucks at NetHack.
< 1301766241 477180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note lack of presence in channel.
< 1301766256 286678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note nonexistence of logs on internet.
< 1301766259 239712 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: elliott and I are collaborating on the Future of Logbots.
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< 1301766935 454368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note nonexistence of logs on internet. <-- personally I think this can be attributed to elliott rather than being run by someone in the channel /in general/.
< 1301767005 133986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, personally I think you should shut up.
< 1301767033 850917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, come on, egobot is mostly stable. Apart from server sluggishness and hickups. So is fungot
< 1301767034 15101 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't know what to do
< 1301767048 855263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't stop running after a few weeks
< 1301767063 709190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is run by fizzie who is, like, incapable of anger.
< 1301767064 98576 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: common lisp, scheme, oz, erlang, &c.) to infer types
< 1301767067 958536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sometimes fails yes. But they are always restarted.
< 1301767073 613046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and Gregor's bots?
< 1301767099 457862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERHAPS THE DOWNTIME IS NOT SO RANDOM AS WE HAVE BEEN LED TO THINK
< 1301767124 275673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, uh, I doubt that.
< 1301767130 74925 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bots have much improved since I made the odd discovery that if you don't make any output but pongs for a prolonged period, Freenode will disconnect you.
< 1301767147 933837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1301767161 211260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you investigate this?
< 1301767178 111429 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "investigate"
< 1301767181 247069 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it.
< 1301767358 16725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, freenode does what?
< 1301767359 840019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ask someone why the hell that happens?
< 1301767384 882678 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301767721 752563 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I couldn't be arsed :P
< 1301768140 465061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301768341 367320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:36:34: ...ELISP is now lexically scoped.
< 1301768345 94093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not by default alas
< 1301768357 766752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit.
< 1301768364 420931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you set it at file scope
< 1301768905 771509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fizzie: does mcmap work with 1.4?
< 1301769200 871099 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to make some code execute when a certain file's contents have been changed?
< 1301769212 741021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which OS
< 1301769217 182551 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows
< 1301769234 333003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1301769241 448929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Linux, then you can use inotify/FAM :P
< 1301769325 869818 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I renember hearing there was a way to do this in Powershell, but i forgot what it said...
< 1301769358 800746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: You can always just do a
< 1301769376 344979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(;;) {sleep(1); if(readfile() != oldfilecontents) dosomething();}
< 1301769377 148505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop.
< 1301769384 18851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that'll wake up your CPU all the time.
< 1301769387 238045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a 1s delay.
< 1301769409 261191 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be good enough... What would that script do if the file was suddenly deleted?
< 1301769425 456854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. readfile would fail. It's up to you to implement the actual guts :P
< 1301769435 989365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also forgot to save the result of readfile to oldfilecontents there.
< 1301769534 591095 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO basically for(;;) {sleep(1); $oldfile = (gc file); if((gc file) -ne $oldfile) {stuff} }
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< 1301769559 862949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1301769566 355269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will almost never execute stuff.
< 1301769597 816978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a userscript of some sort that makes it impossible for scripts that automatically highlight blocks of text on a webpage to function, or do I have to write it myself?
< 1301769599 641603 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works... but I need to fill in now.
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< 1301770948 533361 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 NICK :copumpkin
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< 1301771179 267967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1301771236 86133 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301771324 329694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1301771377 777639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey ais523, /msg #esoteric-minecraft with something.
< 1301771405 241564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: done so
< 1301771418 766963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The novelty will never get old!
< 1301771430 594811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why don't you like minecraft
< 1301771449 300571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does that mean you are neutral towards it, or dislike it?
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< 1301771461 697824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vague dislike, I'd say
< 1301771472 663210 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you not HUMAN??
< 1301771492 196790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trying to glue together two things that might be interesting on their own, to make the result less interesting
< 1301771496 837782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecrakrt jsux because ls black black ops is teh bestset st game evar
< 1301771499 908747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what two things?
< 1301771503 308829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, too few typos
< 1301771504 138481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's because the player is MALE
< 1301771511 902943 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1301771516 460336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can easily switch the skin
< 1301771520 469452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of adventure game, and a sandboxy programming game
< 1301771529 743438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1301771530 647517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming game?
< 1301771531 735304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you wouldn't try to combine Tomb Raider and Rubicon
< 1301771543 716678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MC doesn't involve any programming unless you mean redstone
< 1301771546 873491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although if you did, you might end up with something quite popular)
< 1301771554 838956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, architecture
< 1301771556 406126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that sounds... wow
< 1301771560 450309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may or may not be programmatically interesting
< 1301771570 320134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like Lego
< 1301771570 483446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 8 bit computer. Come on
< 1301771598 253141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's electrical engineering
< 1301771613 169490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Minecraft's one of those things that the majority of communities have their own server/area for playing, much like Mafia
< 1301771626 110777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO majority
< 1301771630 620699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Tomb Raider + Rubicon is a game I would play
< 1301771657 158256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. Redstone Engineering
< 1301771664 981990 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is minecraft multiplayer?
< 1301771666 659609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :redstone doesn't really work at all like transistors
< 1301771671 175044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, both
< 1301771697 678914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, Minecraft's one of those things that the majority of communities have their own server/area for playing, much like Mafia <-- yes. There is no official One True Server.
< 1301771699 281276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it's always multiplayer
< 1301771701 131758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEEP ARE PEOPLE
< 1301771702 817993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is that an issue?
< 1301771709 173528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, riiigth
< 1301771720 29591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not an issue, but I did find it interesting
< 1301772417 972379 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1301773387 182859 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133079.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1301776512 295954 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1301778940 528285 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301779016 7878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEXICAL
< 1301779520 29276 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEXI-CAL
< 1301779547 151258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexi's in Hotel California
< 1301779563 723385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Butcherer of Jokes
< 1301779567 486398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexical.
< 1301779965 991252 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301779965 991382 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L
< 1301779965 991492 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1301779970 994717 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301779970 994841 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L
< 1301779998 151932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: hmm, are you a spambot?
< 1301780004 252826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just have an unusually small lexicon?
< 1301780031 705105 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1301780036 420088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you hurt its feelings.
< 1301780089 876678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: say sorry.
< 1301780101 508768 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301780108 947484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha
< 1301780118 593130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why do you find this funny!
< 1301780158 981865 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301780158 981959 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i hate you :(
< 1301780164 663985 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu
< 1301780233 714845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you've really hurt its feelings.
< 1301780235 344936 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: GO DIE IN A FIRE
< 1301780254 344745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: hello!
< 1301780257 200501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: do you want to be friends
< 1301780272 889608 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: elliott's a douchebag, don't listen to him
< 1301780302 207572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I just compared the IPs
< 1301780313 961115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea that ch2 = elliott, and it's using the same IP that elliott was yesterday
< 1301780314 126776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IPs?
< 1301780324 319024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a dynamic ip
< 1301780331 316411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but it's still quite a coincidence
< 1301780337 852669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. very. clearly it is fate
< 1301780339 687804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: hi
< 1301780339 967027 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's elliot from the past!
< 1301780354 423483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWOOOOOOOOOOOO
< 1301780356 515893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
< 1301780358 394151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
< 1301780389 835643 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sorry
< 1301780393 756049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1301780402 45253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame, there's no #multics
< 1301780416 278216 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two t's in elliott's name are having wild, hot, passionate sex even as we speak.
< 1301780427 906044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gross.
< 1301780432 89549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliot________t
< 1301780437 905283 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no funny business!
< 1301780514 335513 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1301780524 890970 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i hate you :(
< 1301780543 996035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot________t: hmm, is ch2 a hatredbot?
< 1301780553 784464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it was an S Q L bot first, but is a hatredbot now?
< 1301780580 732581 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you just upset it
< 1301780651 469911 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 110K 2011-04-02 22:42 logs.sqlite3
< 1301780652 483217 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ragh
< 1301780655 309712 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hands keep slipping
< 1301780655 988259 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
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< 1301780766 637261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's a logbot that isn't Herobrine?
< 1301780786 507978 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: how do you respond to this accusation that you're not Herobrine?
< 1301780853 496982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't called Herobrine
< 1301780866 673694 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whoises ch2 to find out its name
< 1301780910 823639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot________t: so did I, I'm not convinced it's called Herobrine based on its realname data
< 1301780929 690759 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ship of theseus!
< 1301780981 803463 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: ch2 is at war with glogbot innit
< 1301781017 845504 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot is Switzerland.
< 1301781031 961703 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean Swizterland.
< 1301781039 621066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought .ch meant Switzerland
< 1301781056 202504 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ch2 is Switzerland too!
< 1301781061 21883 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET
< 1301781061 967486 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT
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< 1301781880 583345 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1301781891 734307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, ch2 and glogbot are actually in a completely illict relationship*
< 1301781894 274097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*FSVO illicit
< 1301781897 436404 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301781900 785321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISN'T THAT RIGHT GREGOR
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< 1301781909 571585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP*
< 1301781944 685016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear to god, pipe() is the most annoying possible interface.
< 1301781962 112795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't.
< 1301781989 956129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the way it takes an array as arg, /and/ returns the arguments the other way round from what you'd expect, in the array?
< 1301781998 708161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it's quite a clever interface for what it's trying to do
< 1301782007 480839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, yes, but also the fact that I just want to spawn a process and hook into its input and output.
< 1301782023 588934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And having to call pipe twice, keep track of the indices, and hook it all up with dup, is super annoying.
< 1301782027 91109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm not sure how POSIX-portable that is.
< 1301782035 420529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup() is, it seems.
< 1301782037 818991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dup2().
< 1301782045 924144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe() too, but not pipe2().
< 1301782053 280053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("pipe too but not pipe too" X-D)
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< 1301782750 882582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could use a hash tree as a storage method.
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< 1301783000 700913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage of what?
< 1301783155 19125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Objects.
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< 1301784118 952998 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1301784126 23813 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1301784133 985166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unfairly blames calamari for PSOX
< 1301784281 472924 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I came across an interesting mental challenge (well, interesting to me anyways). in a normal round-robin tournament, players are matched in pairs. but let's say the game has 3 sides (for example, chinese checkers, you could play a triangle of 3 of the 6 tips). if every player must play against each other player exactly once, what's the algorithm to optimize for the least number of matches?
< 1301784355 792782 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are definitely substandard combos.. for example if I have 6 players and I do 1-2-3 then 4-5-6, then I must have 9 additional matches with just 2 players
< 1301784394 226607 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on your goal
< 1301784405 373930 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could see the goal of a round robin tournament to be to test every permutation of players
< 1301784410 212083 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case your premise is flawed
< 1301784422 514122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So some kind of general handshake problem>
< 1301784433 666873 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stated every player must play each other player exactly once
< 1301784460 952124 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean you specifically so much as you generally; i wouldn't expect to see a round robin tournament such as you've laid out
< 1301784461 690633 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1301784527 348172 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see what you're saying
< 1301784628 74822 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah as I stated was correct
< 1301784648 605035 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best I could find for 6 players was 7 matches, 3 with an empty seat
< 1301784671 756999 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up the handshaking problem
< 1301784712 384355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not as easy to manipulate.
< 1301784774 409378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any number of players, other than 3, for which it's doable with no matches with empty seats?
< 1301784789 700836 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.devenezia.com/round-robin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1224605375
< 1301784802 458690 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 rounds, no empty seats
< 1301784853 368557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impressive
< 1301784859 667889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose multiples of 9, it's easy
< 1301784874 230918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works like Sudoku
< 1301784883 679239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit, at least
< 1301784897 756519 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :appears to be some software called hsmaster which can generate round robins for 3 player games(?)
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< 1301785545 264858 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: link?
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< 1301785575 287525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → food
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< 1301785785 373827 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can google it as easily as i?
< 1301785796 846178 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only came across a video of someone showing how to use it, didn't bother to actually look up the app
< 1301785802 630473 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked old and dated and maybe not like it would run on xp
< 1301785802 809610 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1301785813 914107 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also may have misunderstood
< 1301785870 632732 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I didn't search videos
< 1301785901 644109 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (In other news, a brief hello from Turku, the okocity.)
< 1301786007 809842 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The unusual dialect in this city is due to rampant sound change, which has worn all vowels and diphthongs down to o, and all consonants and consonant combinations down to k. how the people here manage to understand each other is a mystery to linguists. especially in writing."
< 1301786035 462057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*H *E
< 1301786065 193949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if only you'd got it right first time, it would have been great
< 1301786066 254978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, o
< 1301786075 883406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1301786158 386471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1301786171 926026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :koko (new official name of Turku)
< 1301786503 627888 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERASE LAST SIX LINES
< 1301786505 830984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
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< 1301787272 814916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WAS ERASED
< 1301787283 115140 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CANNOT RECALL
< 1301787661 69122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("pipe too but not pipe too" X-D)
< 1301787665 435945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the question
< 1301787767 500086 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it nobler to socket blah blah blah bad pun blah blah
< 1301787808 548254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, _you_ can socket.
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< 1301788310 80626 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll socket your plug any day, oerjan baby ;-*
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< 1301789481 57263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think that 4-letter TLDs should be used for, is for special use, such as making .example into .xmpl and having the same purpose as .example has.
< 1301789833 356559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
< 1301789898 362521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :????????????????????????????????????
< 1301789923 713446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@?
< 1301789937 947409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes! @!
< 1301789948 969679 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, as if
< 1301789972 716436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what
< 1301790009 474154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying you will never build @ or get someone to do it for you :)
< 1301790060 468806 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone in here who knows cricket rules and has experience?
< 1301790111 444788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i can't parse the precedence of that sentence
< 1301790112 914880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :parenify plz
< 1301790117 881983 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-47-197.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I told you the baseball rules in a british accent?
< 1301790120 471178 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-47-197.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work?
< 1301790142 222948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Is anyone in here who knows cricket rules and has experience? What if I told you the baseball rules in a british accent?
< 1301790144 397120 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: No, baseball is a different game.
< 1301790145 429354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :345) Is anyone in here who knows cricket rules and has experience? What if I told you the baseball rules in a british accent?
< 1301790217 384704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is someone said before that draws are common and I have some ideas that can make it less common without eliminating draws or changing much else, but someone with experience should answer me please.
< 1301790252 936697 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this? http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:IRC&curid=2413&diff=21685&oldid=10846
< 1301790267 996413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:M-code
< 1301790283 628523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tankre.
< 1301790385 333694 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: bot spam, almost certainly
< 1301790393 811621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Have you ever told anyone baseball rules in a British accent?
< 1301790425 902914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have
< 1301790430 683401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because I'm British
< 1301790434 784852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's my natural accent
< 1301790442 896321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I know most of the rules of cricket
< 1301790463 731056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the reason draws are common are due to people running out of time for a match, due to people not getting out quickly enough and not declaring
< 1301790471 614342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(either by mistake, or because it would make them lose)
< 1301790481 14062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are alternative rules that avoid draws already for one-day matches
< 1301790484 201517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they aren't used in full matches
< 1301790501 531950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of bot spams with hello world?
< 1301790509 903092 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I know that. However, I have some ideas to make draws a bit less common while still possible, such as making some changes to the world during the last half hour of play.
< 1301790515 369741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/world/rules/
< 1301790517 258187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was the ambiguouous part?
< 1301790535 216560 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that you'll never (build @) or (get someone to do it(= build @) for you)
< 1301790546 315896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (never {build @ or get someone to do it for you}) vs. (or {never build @} {get someone to do it for you})
< 1301790549 641128 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know but "catch sufficiently hello world" gives google hits
< 1301790557 210230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that might be unfair, as as one side's bowling and one side's batting then, the rules change would affect the two sides differently
< 1301790571 325515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Qdeql +Sceql +SMETANA) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1301790646 633551 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :try { ... } catch (ex) { if (ex.sufficientlyHelloWorld()) { console.log("Hello, world!"); } }
< 1301790829 337714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I can see that, but the idea I have was that there would be ways to make it end faster but that this might benefit both sides, and that it would then become a bit more difficult to continue until time up. Such as, during the last half hour of play (on the last day), any maiden automatically takes a wicket and the ball into designated areas earns double runs. Perhaps also these rules can be adjusted based on time wasting calculations
< 1301790853 758557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :double runs is a much more minor bonus than maidens taking wickets automatically
< 1301790862 933305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maidens are much more common than wickets
< 1301790885 566734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a straight *3 on runs might balance it, but it still probably wouldn't be completely balanced
< 1301790988 231392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cricket is like this game, if you didn't know it was old, you'd think it was a parody of something else
< 1301790998 103230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that might fix it a bit.
< 1301791039 148694 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so well-made it is useless to try and parody it further. although i'm sure people must have tried.
< 1301791047 524492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how much ram does an ubuntu-for-genera vm require?
< 1301791063 531651 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is that what it looks like to you? Maybe it might. How much of the rules do you know, oerjan?
< 1301791091 655475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i'm going just by your long line above.
< 1301791184 331083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, is blognomic any fun?
< 1301791188 479528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know how there are plenty of stereotypes about English gentlemen, who spend all day sipping tea and taking things slowly in immaculate and beautiful gardens?
< 1301791191 899854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays
< 1301791203 151776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cricket's like what you get if you try to apply all those to baseball simultaneously
< 1301791211 910015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it varies a lot; this dynasty may be a good one, but it's too early to tell
< 1301791217 861983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been boring for months, but I rejoined recently
< 1301791220 141213 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice summary
< 1301791270 557666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :five-day cricket is probably the slowest-paced sport in existence
< 1301791286 768604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uh, Brockian Ultra-Cricket?
< 1301791298 477825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's probably pretty fast-paced
< 1301791306 635462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ultra Cricket
< 1301791309 522092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1301791311 970027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ultra-Cricket
< 1301791320 644076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I dunno, beating people might be really slow in the seventh dimension
< 1301791388 478448 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ul-Tra Cricket. named by its mad scientist inventor Siad Ul-Tra.
< 1301791427 708692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not an understatement, anyway, to say that cricket games are intended to take five days, but often are drawn due to not being nearly finished by then
< 1301791441 74292 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right.
< 1301791460 393672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose a new form of cricket
< 1301791463 267516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero-limit Cricket
< 1301791467 850384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh game lasts until someone wins. no exceptions
< 1301791483 386040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was originally unlimited; the five-day limit was added due to people getting bored after a few weeks
< 1301791487 675730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1301791509 339198 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can anyone get bored of cricket
< 1301791522 363266 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, short of watching it i guess
< 1301791522 546530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see? you cannot actually parody cricket.
< 1301791528 952220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D
< 1301791547 531096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we british. so durpy.
< 1301791554 923008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the motto of britain)
< 1301791564 667981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long-form cricket is certainly slow, although it allows many possibilities to be played. It would certainly be very boring to people who prefer the short-forms or who do not understand cricket very well.
< 1301791570 808314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("british nos, ita durpy")
< 1301791576 993741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: for bonus points, many channels just show "extended highlights" of cricket, which is all the bits that they thought were interesting
< 1301791582 430355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they typically last around twenty minutes
< 1301791589 866933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a summary of the whole five-day matches
< 1301791609 424547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1301791635 521779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey, why are /you/ laughing? aren't you British?
< 1301791641 621793 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If the game lasts until someone wins, does that mean that there is no draws, and in case of tie you do the fifth and sixth innings?
< 1301791643 298067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you forced to play cricket in school?
< 1301791656 128316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ties are statistically incredibly unlikely
< 1301791667 840070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: hey, why are /you/ laughing? aren't you British?
< 1301791669 612177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after five days, and hundreds of runs, it would be quite a fluke for both sides to have exactly the same score
< 1301791670 264710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's quite shameful
< 1301791673 166574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : aren't you forced to play cricket in school?
< 1301791674 358318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABSOLUTELY
< 1301791678 600161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cricketulum
< 1301791686 258280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's pretty easy, you don't do anything 95% of the time
< 1301791690 506882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes
< 1301791691 743676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least if you're me, mess up the other 5%
< 1301791699 44859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of innings can in fact exceed nine thousand
< 1301791712 348449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so bad at cricket that in the end they decided to make me be the scorekeeper rather than play on either team, at school
< 1301791742 344151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crickethulhu. the game where the players try to slow it down as much as possible, for obvious reasons.
< 1301791746 531914 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know ties are unlikely.
< 1301791772 433219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bowlers have been fined for stalling, on occasion
< 1301791779 463726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real-life money, that is, not anything in-game
< 1301791799 250343 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am sure the penalties in crickethulhu would rather more severe.
< 1301791802 818924 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be
< 1301792094 300573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_occasionally_ some players on the winning team might survive, i guess.
< 1301792125 620156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you try to slow it down as much as possible, there won't be a winning team, it will end in a draw.
< 1301792126 27383 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :survive till the victory ceremony, anyhow
< 1301792135 184750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: exactly
< 1301792137 191136 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The penalties would be prohibiting slow-motion VCRs. And that you have to bet your fingers and ears if you run out of money.
< 1301792173 932689 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crickethulhu draws are in the sense of "hung, drawn and quartered".
< 1301792627 541798 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301792818 851055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write down the rules. [1] If the batsman catches the ball (out handling the ball), you have to eat the ball. [2] If you hit a duck with anything, you lose instantly. [3] You do not stop due to the weather. If it is snow or lightning storm, you still have to continue playing in lightning storm. [4] No protective equipment is permitted. [5] Slow-motion VCRs are permitted until there is a stalling penalty, at which point they are prohibited for th
< 1301792822 336550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but what about the slow-motion VCRs?
< 1301792870 117906 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e rest of the match. [6] In case of draw, is hung, drawn and quartered. [7] In case of tie, the umpire is required to tie you up. [8] U mUST USING, propper, spellling/gram-er @all times!!!!!!!!!!!
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< 1301792929 321536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
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< 1301792949 555066 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks logs
< 1301792955 68080 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[9] You have to use heavier balls at the victory ceremony.
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< 1301793004 721308 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if that's supposed to be the crickethulhu rules then i don't think you have got the spirit of it at all
< 1301793020 137728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think zzo38's just trying to make the game a little less boring
< 1301793025 669800 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, it is not finish yet. You have to write the rest, too.
< 1301793029 783614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun cricket, or something
< 1301793038 922372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: cthulhu doesn't mess around which such chicken "penalties"
< 1301793044 834700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but in the case of crickethulu, writing the rest wouldn't make sense
< 1301793048 303380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as even reading it would make you go insane
< 1301793057 477560 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm true
< 1301793059 295515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, unless writing one of those things makes you become sane?
< 1301793063 571171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But some people in esolangs is already a bit insane in some ways, so you can write it.
< 1301793067 633963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be a nice sort of symmetry to that
< 1301793074 183160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i wouldn't bet on that...
< 1301793080 679713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: neither would I
< 1301793089 576433 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do mean you. Not only me. Also you.)
< 1301793206 245702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, og2 is going fast
< 1301793260 218216 :strawman!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :Pollione
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< 1301793417 953710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know how to boot Ubuntu 7.10 or similar versions in expert install mode?
< 1301793444 681222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no
< 1301793453 863042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay, i just figured it out X-D
< 1301793472 360081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coming soon: Better ads in Google Mail."
< 1301793474 60025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :golly gosh!
< 1301793759 619144 :Pollione!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1301793784 106269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@@@http://sprunge.us/ZGMd@@@@@@@@
< 1301793804 369259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay obfuscated url
< 1301793810 856716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not /very/ obfuscated
< 1301793814 63629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO obfuscate@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
< 1301793842 986542 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSFVO
< 1301793879 952099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not safe for vixen oligarchies
< 1301793902 945554 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obfuscated enough to confuse XChat >_>
< 1301793926 550678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even rot13 would do taht
< 1301793928 78089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
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< 1301793947 674130 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, but that's substantially less obfuscation than rot13.
< 1301793972 265296 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@@Hahahaha, you'll never unobfuscate this!@@@@@
< 1301793989 295450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did it! Is the answer: "Unununun, lbh'yy arire haboshfpngr guvf!"?
< 1301794013 761421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haboshfpngr would be a nice name for an esolang
< 1301794041 420508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fpng" has to be one of the heartiest sounds
< 1301794049 340839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the p kind of nuclear-bombs the phonetics
< 1301794070 431651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, shfpngr is a consonant cluster to kill for
< 1301794096 674334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it's actually pronounceable without any vowels sneaking in
< 1301794101 121970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has enough semivowels in that it's actually pronouncable
< 1301794226 124249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr ubuntu
< 1301794246 631443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because i'm using a US english system
< 1301794249 514567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean my timezone is american
< 1301794318 632594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1301794326 297835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to have the two, it seems
< 1301794359 110444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, i'll fix the timezone post-installation
< 1301794415 624033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels so quaint to disable shadow passwords
< 1301794485 733067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re: that obfuscation, btw, if it made you gave up, I saved you some wasted time :P
< 1301794781 276172 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the \linepenalty parameter of TeX misnamed?
< 1301794860 239978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1301794886 977552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant to be named bzspoiajsd, but that name's apparently illegal in Norway
< 1301794950 795885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why did Knuth call it \linepenalty? It is not a penalty value.
< 1301795003 597459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's totally not something ais would say
< 1301795005 641186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do with him
< 1301795016 293592 :Pollione!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 NICK :copumpkin
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< 1301795022 939539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I was trying to do an impression of you, but not a very good one
< 1301795033 229035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was closer to a bad oerjan
< 1301795038 296754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except he'd have picked another country :D]
< 1301795042 384942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\]$//
< 1301795047 829556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps
< 1301795056 749901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Norway has rules on name legality, which is why I picked it
< 1301795059 472940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh the random text reminds me of... olsner? cpressey?
< 1301795069 753909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't sweden too, c.f. albin
< 1301795079 596619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, perhaps that's what I was thinking of
< 1301795087 888941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should rename that kid to "pronounced [ˈalbɪn]"
< 1301795091 966778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the text wasn't random, I tried mashing my keyboard several times
< 1301795093 169009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lynard skynyrtrd
< 1301795098 258384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I got a sequence of letters I liked
< 1301795101 642864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1301795106 239992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like rutian!
< 1301795144 183020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re that law: The law was enacted in 1982, primarily in order to prevent non-noble families from giving their children the names of noble families..
< 1301795147 824116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.\.$/./
< 1301795149 228118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally gross
< 1301795180 246140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Lynyrd Skynyrd have had so many lineup changes that the past members section on WP ensd with "also see: List of Lynyrd Skynyrd band members"
< 1301795180 751536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ends
< 1301795186 773992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lynyrd_Skynyrd_band_members
< 1301795226 590354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1301795237 836080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is ridiculous:
< 1301795239 340073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The title of the album (and its title track) is written by Mark Stephen Jones, Travis Meadows and Bud Tower. Lyrically, it appears to oppose all kinds of gun control, a notable change from the lyrical stance of the original Lynyrd Skynyrd fronted by Ronnie Van Zant, who many claim sang against handguns in the song Saturday Night Special. When one cites a line from "Saturday Night Special", Van Zant's position on gun control might seem unclear:
< 1301795239 591329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why don't we dump em, people, to the bottom of the sea", with the subject of the sentence being "em", or handguns, which might also be interpreted as "Why don't we dump em people to the bottom of the sea", with the subject being em people (them people). [3] The potential ambiguity is resolved in the next line, "Before some fool come around here / Wanna shoot either you or me". Had Van Zant's subject of the previous line been "em people", then th
< 1301795243 823369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e guns would still be accessible.]]
< 1301795260 567148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sort of gets more and more ridiculous then climaxes in that final sentence
< 1301795355 301077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was meant to be named bzspoiajsd, but that name's apparently illegal in Norway <-- i don't know, our name laws have been considerably loosened in recent years.
< 1301795364 140397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he was thinking of sweden
< 1301795365 796709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1301795371 979710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1301795376 46395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should read techdirt more
< 1301795378 629974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but besides, "recent years"
< 1301795387 287099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was recent when Knuth wrote TeX
< 1301795414 910074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean \linepenalty was supposed to be bzspoiajsd but they wanted to make sure the program was not illegal in Norway????
< 1301795436 957238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1301795439 668114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what we mean.
< 1301795446 939766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we may well be lying, though
< 1301795455 489046 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't believe that.....
< 1301795488 560754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok if you don't believe it or if you do believe it, in the end everybody has to be able to make up their own mind
< 1301795514 580940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have little idea what our name law does say these days
< 1301795516 241071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK
< 1301795564 756093 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles
< 1301795785 575736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzspoiajsd is probably illegal anyway, it's just too weird.
< 1301795807 421643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I FIND THAT VERY OFFENSIVE
< 1301795819 785186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides not to reveal that his name is actually Bzspoiajsd "Elliott" Hird for the time being
< 1301795824 165342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many JERKS
< 1301795825 332174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like OERJAN
< 1301795852 644374 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!!
< 1301795867 605622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!!
< 1301795870 580505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :346) I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!!
< 1301795883 720251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not allowed to give a child a first name that would be a considerable burden to it. the word "considerable" (vesentlig) was added in the recent liberalization.
< 1301795903 980862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, so much for Dicknose Hird
< 1301795918 117484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you cannot use a surname as a first name unless it's already traditionally a first name.
< 1301795920 38974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUESS WE NEED THAT ABORTION AFTER ALL
< 1301795925 812703 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the child decide to change their own name afterward? What are laws about that?
< 1301795931 580211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if we say this enough, the conservatives will get scared about the name law causing rampant abortion)
< 1301795972 657183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does configuring language-pack-en-base normally take a long time?
< 1301795991 467543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, maybe they should get scared of the name laws (whether or not it causes abortion)
< 1301795995 95724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks the actual law text
< 1301796004 171403 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: I wish I had something witty to put here...
< 1301796019 371320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: language configuration often does take a while
< 1301796023 245490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Smoking Everywhere] (4:43:09 PM): NO LIMIT
< 1301796025 205420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CX] (4:43:21 PM): awesome!
< 1301796025 369796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this was judged to actually change a contract
< 1301796049 881222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO LIMIT constituted an acception of the previous offer to change the contract (a few lines saying "blah blah if I have your blessing"), "awesome!" was the agreement
< 1301796050 725833 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301796050 926492 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1301796058 196723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, what's the word
< 1301796060 689730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1301796064 155529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's been doing it for about 10 minutes
< 1301796088 259643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally doesn't take /that/ long
< 1301796098 721554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what's worrying me
< 1301796101 705930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll restart the installation
< 1301796124 232253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the VM is worryingly slow, anyway
< 1301796154 98326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION disables APIC on a hunch
< 1301796247 95293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now the installer won't even start
< 1301796324 622769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§3: Surnames held by more than 200 people in Norway can be changed to by anyone without consent. otherwise you need their consent or have a specific right to use it.
< 1301796519 146414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A surname which _no one_ has, you can use unless (1) It's too similar to another, protected name (2) It's identical to a wellknown trademark or similar (3) Is or has been used as a first name, and is not traditionally also a surname.
< 1301796527 476275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*It is
< 1301796532 552158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albin Coca-Cola
< 1301796546 720813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely
< 1301796564 715615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least it stops parents giving their kids names like "Ørjan Johansen"
< 1301796577 382139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true. (note: not actually true.)
< 1301796589 824889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I must start Johansen Enterprises
< 1301796595 810832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have a list of what is traditionally a given name and surname?
< 1301796605 316905 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Johansen is still the second most common surname in norway, iirc)
< 1301796617 113000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are you like Joe Smith?
< 1301796620 179334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so coooooooool
< 1301796648 164178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the central people register, is what the law refers to
< 1301796680 324823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, more like Gregor Smith
< 1301796721 528094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ørjan is no. 50 or so, unless i misremember)
< 1301796736 685150 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Smith" is a common surname in Norway? :P
< 1301796766 590022 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or do you think that Gregor is like name #50 in England/America?
< 1301796771 634741 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is a pretty broken assumption)
< 1301796801 721942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did report on my checks in the statistical name database on this channel previously...
< 1301796844 65728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: well i first thought "George" which is actually cognate to Ørjan, but then thought that has to be too common
< 1301796855 221062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :georjan
< 1301796862 884444 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking about #50 here, not #1.
< 1301796877 509611 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rechecks
< 1301796878 984849 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregory might be #50, Gregor can't be more than #15,000 in England or America.
< 1301796884 364772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CMayhejY6P_D5QEQrAIY2AQyCHE0hnAwrr-0
< 1301796886 282311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : IT'S
< 1301796888 81054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : HIS HAIR
< 1301796890 731330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUSTIN BIEBER
< 1301796892 451719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STARTS FRIDAY
< 1301796899 30259 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH A GANG FIGHT
< 1301796924 286587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregory might be #50, Gregor can't be more than #15,000 in England or America.
< 1301796925 331142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly?
< 1301796926 325028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor is like
< 1301796927 558916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common name
< 1301796929 866385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it
< 1301796933 139784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1301796934 823218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it isn't
< 1301796935 811802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird
< 1301796936 473796 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: oh actually Ørjan is 152
< 1301796946 368495 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remembered the "5" part :D
< 1301796964 553175 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gregor" is effectively unheard of in the US, I can't speak for England. People assume I'm not American based on my name.
< 1301796976 327268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess it's like
< 1301796977 868013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian sounding
< 1301796979 23640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like
< 1301796982 141264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the first gregor i know
< 1301796985 599677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johansen is indeed #2
< 1301796986 10950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your name sounds so like
< 1301796987 482169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor richards
< 1301796990 563559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a really common name
< 1301797004 223732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like an optical illusion :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDfghjklup0[i]o;f'lp
< 1301797043 845570 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smith is not _unheard_ of in norway, btw, our neighbors when i group up had that name, and there are the "Smith's friends"...
< 1301797053 702132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Church numerals
< 1301797072 413926 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smith is #244
< 1301797084 818962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grew up
< 1301797086 634600 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a /first name/ DB for USA.
< 1301797123 982923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is pretty rare as a first name in the UK too
< 1301797132 287423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacGregor is a common surname, though
< 1301797133 289604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ima call libc\x2Eso Mendel from now on
< 1301797150 989994 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heredity: I invented it. That's right. Invented.
< 1301797164 672216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why this vm is so slow
< 1301797166 72694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me very sad
< 1301797169 717015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a porcubine
< 1301797208 685665 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregory is #37. Gregor isn't in the top 300. I would be surprised if it's in the top 10,000.
< 1301797235 497062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the statistical page in english: http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/00/navn_en/
< 1301797244 348553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear
< 1301797245 310206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hugn
< 1301797247 480486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on loading the floppy module
< 1301797265 801833 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it seems there are too few Gregors in the USA for the census to report it in its summary data
< 1301797265 967021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they cripple the open source version :D
< 1301797346 500313 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more Eldens, more Keneths who don't know how to spell, more Modestos, more Warners, more Andreases, more Rayfords :P
< 1301797401 570263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the frekwensee Keneth?
< 1301797404 323260 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh daaaamn! It's #7,153
< 1301797423 570746 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more Gregoires X-D
< 1301797425 840366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english page seems to be missing first names listed by frequency though
< 1301797446 454156 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But less Gregersons (wtf first name)
< 1301797479 339851 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knew a Greger back in the old home town. mad as a hatter.
< 1301797490 826934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait oerjan has moved?
< 1301797493 725453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so unoerjan :/
< 1301797502 265966 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, paranoid schizophrenia or something.
< 1301797533 917379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i didn't know him as much as my parents did
< 1301797601 719502 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Grega" wtf X-D
< 1301797603 110141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID YOU MOVE OERJAN
< 1301797608 447473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Greggsybob
< 1301797616 984600 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my home town doesn't have a university?
< 1301797623 949671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: build one there? :/
< 1301797625 416316 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWWWW I WISH MY NAME WAS GREFRATH
< 1301797632 927358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a pokemon
< 1301797644 49214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its call would just be a distorted "grefrath"
< 1301797660 303560 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An old family name in the Richards family, Dodifer, doesn't appear :P
< 1301797661 633527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: are you saying _grefrath_ is more common than gregor?
< 1301797668 624588 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, that one's less :P
< 1301797680 861835 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm just staring at silly names :P
< 1301797708 211565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S THE LEAST FREQUENT NAME
< 1301797721 618856 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The artist formerly known as Prince
< 1301797732 700656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Shwiuqeiêé'eakrtaqx (pronounced "Chan-ikwah")
< 1301797739 406278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG RACISM
< 1301797743 683434 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's like #15
< 1301797748 615990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1301797766 421936 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ the "qx" btw :P
< 1301797778 170377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a silent qx.
< 1301798003 143965 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§4 lists a lot of ways you can have a right to a surname, starting with your great great grandparents having had it, and including marriage, farm names and a lot of other minor cases. Adoption is not there but in §5.
< 1301798086 470514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, newer closed source virtualbox is... kind of faster
< 1301798095 342128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not
< 1301798107 312370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also kind-of broken
< 1301798113 329642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: howso?
< 1301798132 562432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it does start with an oracle logo on bootup though, which I find repulsive :))
< 1301798151 633023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on our NetHack TASing server, trying to poweroff hangs, force-quitting corrupts the disk image, and the kernel spouts all sorts of filesystem errors on reload
< 1301798165 182424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: known bug with ext4
< 1301798170 469156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells you to enable the host cache
< 1301798174 391208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you start the VM
< 1301798175 576234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for me
< 1301798180 996827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ext3
< 1301798185 638567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe ext3 too
< 1301798233 339420 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§6 allows you to make the spelling of your surname less weird. Also to change the gender ending if it has one. (The latter isn't precisely common.)
< 1301798266 149985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, virtualbox gets stuck on the
< 1301798267 594979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXTREMELY
< 1301798268 944662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIFFICULT
< 1301798269 109087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TASK
< 1301798271 387209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of loading the floppy module
< 1301798308 171374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll install the EXACT VERSION vorpal used
< 1301798446 560230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think i concur re kind of broken
< 1301798455 262478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§7 allows you to combine two surnames with a hyphen. §8 prohibits using surnames as first names unless traditionally first names. §9 allows surnames to be used as middle names. §10 contains the prohibition agains adopting a name that could be a considerable burden, it actually says nothing about whether it's a child or not.
< 1301798465 485539 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ §10 up there
< 1301798486 829328 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "other strong reasons"
< 1301798491 796073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/3.2.6/
< 1301798507 435238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmic? that's the same thing as maverick!
< 1301798511 650421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did lucid come after karmic
< 1301798519 920200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, lucid is what i want
< 1301798536 195080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so are you planning on updating to ubuntu 11.04?
< 1301798548 431246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps; I didn't update to 10.10
< 1301798553 945614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may go LTS from now on
< 1301798562 555825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§10 also prohibits changing your name more than every 10th year, except in certain cases like marriage or reversing a previous change
< 1301798567 195295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Ubuntu's getting a worse attitude as time goes on
< 1301798568 185685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the thing with 11.04 is that you get Unity, which is terrible
< 1301798579 60996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it had the potential to be good, but last I checked, it's god-awful)
< 1301798581 56581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it'll be less terrible by release
< 1301798582 576957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literally unusable)
< 1301798587 522834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's at beta already...
< 1301798596 265691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this _is_ the month :P
< 1301798605 132661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I've heard, the concept's decent, but the implementation is so inefficient it doesn't run on anything
< 1301798615 781138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about inefficiency, it's that it's basically a skeleton
< 1301798620 649600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the application picker thing
< 1301798624 984907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can type things and click things
< 1301798630 817381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure pasting worked
< 1301798635 566071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it felt really weird
< 1301798643 685291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way you can drag the icons on the left was just... weird and stupid and pointles
< 1301798644 449556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1301798646 600236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301798659 331293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FWIW, I can vouch that Debian works flawlessly on your hardware (well, its big brother, but they're basically identical)
< 1301798679 433222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm just not sure if I want to go through the trouble of an OS reinstall
< 1301798682 332132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Debian ~= older Ubuntu, with a tiny tweak to make PolicyKit use sudo
< 1301798682 496129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than upgrade
< 1301798691 769822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if upgrading will keep Gnome
< 1301798692 748792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees a bug in §6: it doesn't consider the case of a gender _prefix_ like arabic ibn/bint
< 1301798703 861826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OR A GENDER INFIX
< 1301798754 201534 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although since that surname doesn't actually inherit as such, it should only apply to actual transgendering...
< 1301798762 952963 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that surname form
< 1301798802 735456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"transgendering", there's a word
< 1301798832 632742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, googling suggest dan brown was the first to use it
< 1301798834 476709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The act of tattooing one’s skin was a transformative declaration of power, an announcement to the world: I am in control of my own flesh. The intoxicating feeling of control derived from physical transformation had addicted millions to flesh-altering practices …. . . cosmetic surgery, body piercing, bodybuilding, and steroids . . . even bulimia and transgendering.]]
< 1301798836 289953 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the change would probably be allowed by the other paragraphs in any case (that one in particular says that changing the gender doesn't count as a change at all for the rest of the law)
< 1301798845 151151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has to the most bizarre paragraph i've read in a while
< 1301798925 230437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be going slightly off the deep there at the end
< 1301798930 47879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the version vorpal used seems to be no faster
< 1301799029 366878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the port of OpenGenera to linux sucked less, so it could be used directly
< 1301799038 108392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it's genera itself that craps all over your config...
< 1301799159 392525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: "maloader is a Mach-O (OSX) loader for Linux. It is already able to run the XCode toolchain on Linux. [repost from /r/linux]"
< 1301799175 804090 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY AWESOME
< 1301799179 311568 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANT
< 1301799181 251645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Clearly you must create (A,B)loader, parameterisable over executable format A and OS B.
< 1301799188 314221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY THEN WILL YOU RULE
< 1301799191 338937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg
< 1301799193 759255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: it's shinh's <3
< 1301799196 964364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shinh: the best????
< 1301799197 707463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BEST
< 1301799200 193781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/shinh/maloader
< 1301799224 300362 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTW7Pd1vqc
< 1301799225 779891 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thankee
< 1301799237 498607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: DON'T THANK ME, THANK SHINH
< 1301799245 258936 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thank you for the INFO
< 1301799251 218301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: ALL THANKS GO TO SHINH
< 1301799256 599525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTW7Pd1vqc
< 1301799260 946088 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is shinh somebody I should know? :P
< 1301799264 419626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ten seconds in, this already has more melody than the entire original
< 1301799269 113392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§14 allows the government ("the King") to make appropriate special rules for foreigners (only wrt protected surnames) and norwegians abroad.
< 1301799275 206428 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol
< 1301799281 36511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: shinh runs Anarchy Golf (http://golf.shinh.org/), implemented 64-bit support (and more) for tcc...
< 1301799289 120995 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkidokie
< 1301799305 898318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*foreigners in norway
< 1301799359 766372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: this is much better than the original
< 1301799376 377181 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm discovering that all of Bad Lip Reading's versions are better than the originals :P
< 1301799408 516439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distinct chicken and fighting theme I see
< 1301799469 609025 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§16 says that if you already have two surnames with no hyphen, you can keep it that way. i presume that and §7 means you're no longer allowed to adopt two surnames without a hyphen.
< 1301799510 586268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: The thing is that really, you only see their lips so often, so most of this is them just making up shit X-D
< 1301799528 762172 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but still amusing :P
< 1301799620 322042 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest of the law is just boring bureaucracy.
< 1301799740 457647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear that this VM will be ridiculously slow :(
< 1301799858 209416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Great, now "ASIAN BABEH" is stuck in my head X_X
< 1301799955 300748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Can I get some monkey brains or mermaid?
< 1301800048 863035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1301800122 461900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey augur what are you doing on my reddits
< 1301800182 211287 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1301800195 382334 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something?
< 1301800196 120587 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing?
< 1301800264 150194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil linguist plotting, probably
< 1301800288 140375 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up now
< 1301800305 245541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the roof
< 1301800323 728038 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whats happening with your reddits
< 1301800328 229984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you're on them
< 1301800332 564795 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1301800354 438729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301800364 900015 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont follow
< 1301800392 386259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMMIT KERNEL JUST INSTAL
< 1301800394 298986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :L
< 1301800445 749698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FIX IT
< 1301800537 463061 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how am i on your reddits
< 1301800545 854126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you are
< 1301800551 791977 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tho
< 1301800627 21553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw your name
< 1301800628 296965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats illegal
< 1301800660 283235 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? where about?
< 1301800703 898794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit
< 1301800735 967314 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301800742 79752 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but where on reddit
< 1301800779 839712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comment page
< 1301800801 1330 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1301800806 457281 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which subreddit
< 1301800811 284230 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, dont make me hurt you
< 1301800823 530342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a... subreddit
< 1301800824 983998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh
< 1301800829 983460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying you is difficult
< 1301800838 700498 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH SUBREDDIT
< 1301800852 583033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LA LA LA LA I CANT'T HEAR YOU
< 1301800853 680907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CAN'T
< 1301800872 800705 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to assume the haskell subreddit
< 1301800894 229247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails to see augur as having posted anything
< 1301800897 237335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :D
< 1301800902 237399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually /r/politics
< 1301800905 435701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you came #1 in best ranking and i was like
< 1301800907 88707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i know that name
< 1301800909 491355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that annoying fag
< 1301800910 211136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah
< 1301800916 372499 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 in best ranking?
< 1301800918 752135 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1301800919 941000 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1301800926 37747 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arrested development picture
< 1301800927 8484 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ok
< 1301800952 975242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ALWAYS WITH THE CHEAP KARMA THAT AUGUR
< 1301800963 510441 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know it!
< 1301800967 630096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we /real/ #esoteric redditors, why, we contribute things of value, don't we ais523
< 1301800974 648237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and...er...oerjan
< 1301800993 321886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: occasionally
< 1301801027 710951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw did you see how grauenwolf replied to you?
< 1301801029 615705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he got mad :D
< 1301801156 988144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did
< 1301801222 940555 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301801237 628599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does anyone have a simple way to create a window of WxH size in X?
< 1301801239 274833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be blank
< 1301801523 23831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, pbmlife(1) :D
< 1301801595 331048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Multics' `calendar`'s source was ugl
< 1301801596 487570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ugly
< 1301801686 462521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it has -flags
< 1301801690 267452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -flags don't originate from unix
< 1301801694 727330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, Multics' were multiple-word
< 1301801699 745661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also had abbreviations
< 1301801704 798343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-julian == -jul
< 1301801707 333700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-date D == -dt D
< 1301801712 6873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GNU didn't invent GNU long options :D
< 1301801740 984637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they invent the -- convention?
< 1301801745 734810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, probably
< 1301801762 760575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program seems to date back to 1972/1973
< 1301801769 152973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a huge mess of PL/I: http://multicians.org/calendar.html
< 1301801778 296589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if the indentation just got messed up or whether it was really that awful
< 1301801784 62177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if ec ^= 0 then /* Ought to be an error, but might be old syntax. */
< 1301801784 972769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if an = 1 then goto try_date;
< 1301801785 138317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else goto arg_value_error;
< 1301801785 138486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : call hcs_$initiate_count(if_data.if(i).dn,if_data.if(i).en,"",if_data.if(i).bitc,1,
< 1301801785 138591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if_data.if(i).ifptr,ec);
< 1301801785 138729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if if_data.if(i).ifptr = null then /* Ought to be an error, but ... */
< 1301801786 568832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if an = 1 then /* .. check for old syntax. */
< 1301801788 687163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : do;
< 1301801820 287036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sure as hell had no 80 column rule :D
< 1301802193 145178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:10:02 you know how toilet paper comes from those weird boxes in public shitting places
< 1301802194 348394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:10:14 oklopol: Thus far it's not sounding like a love story.
< 1301802210 298950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have included 11:09:58 oklopol: You met your true love at the uni?!
< 1301802211 443897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the top there.
< 1301802253 584439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:14:24 the same sort of discovery as when you put a battery in backwards in an old-fashioned analog battery-powered clock, and the hands start ticking backwards
< 1301802255 273356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does this work
< 1301802258 758972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me this works
< 1301802266 764468 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1301802269 79555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it does work
< 1301802272 440660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some sorts of clock, at least
< 1301802274 347492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly not all of them
< 1301802274 592316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i
< 1301802280 357638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my life is complete
< 1301802288 778147 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. Stupid bip. Every time I connect from a different place it names me back to Gregor :P
< 1301802296 798033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never works on digital clocks, but certain analog clocks, it does
< 1301802352 998222 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301802453 174482 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1301802638 938262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:20:38 * ais523 has trouble remembering events from the future
< 1301802639 166818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep
< 1301802644 28010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol if it worked on digital clocks
< 1301802814 965714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:04 There once lived a family of old, old wasps. These wasps, every day, would clamour for a chance to see the Queen Wasp -- like a queen bee, but more a figurehead than a head of state, you see -- and the rest of the time they fantasised about seeing the Queen Wasp. One day they all got killed in a very boring way, and Bjorn knew nothing of this as he passed through the forest in which they didn't live.
< 1301802815 167743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i used to be a poet :|
< 1301803511 512321 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1301803903 389595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:39:12 AnMaster: So is their C-to-LISP compiler actually available? Does it work with semi-real code?
< 1301803913 711669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: to belatedly answer: AFAIK ZETA C is not available.
< 1301803918 307738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! It is!
< 1301803921 585250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/TI/Explorer/zeta-c/
< 1301803923 757278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For TI Explorer, though.
< 1301803926 633491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Symbolics.
< 1301803931 726345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a TI emulator, though.
< 1301803938 370066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *Zeta-C
< 1301803942 744062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *ZETA-C
< 1301803948 854533 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, talk about "belatedly"
< 1301803954 3906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah X-D
< 1301803968 986527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ZETA-C is awesome; its pointers are actually cons cells.
< 1301803975 554359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(array . index). NULL is (NIL . 0).
< 1301803988 691951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All pointers were represented as pairs of an array and an index; NULL was
< 1301803989 233982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply a pair of NIL and 0. If you cast a pointer to an integer, you got a
< 1301803989 234197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons of the array part and the index part. You could later cast this back to
< 1301803989 234312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pointer without loss of information, but obviously you couldn't do
< 1301803989 234449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arithmetic on it while it was in the form of a cons."
< 1301804004 708528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ZETA-C attempted (fairly successfully, I think) to find the right compromise
< 1301804004 872035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :between performance and generality. If you looked real closely, there were
< 1301804004 872233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of little corners of C semantics where ZETA-C was not correct. In
< 1301804004 872344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :practice, however, one very rarely tripped over any of these.
< 1301804004 872453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, I used Lisp integers for C `int' and `long'. This meant bignums
< 1301804005 708986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be created automatically, as usual in Lisp. Technically this is not a
< 1301804007 845295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct C implementation (even though I don't think the standard specifically
< 1301804009 766292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :says that the length of `int' and `long' shall be finite, one can take this as
< 1301804011 708057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implied) but it very rarely ran into trouble. The only such case I remember,
< 1301804013 706248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was rather amusing, was a program that did something like
< 1301804015 710065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1301804017 720498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bignumz!
< 1301804023 224595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" int i;
< 1301804023 479112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (i = 1; i; i <<= 1) ...
< 1301804023 665789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shifting a 1 bit left repeatedly, expecting it to fall off the left end of
< 1301804027 641720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word).
< 1301804029 702793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1301804037 142727 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1301804266 853587 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301804283 902258 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1301804739 255348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:41:49 i would like to inform you all that i just fixed an error in Gregor's plof implementation using my penis
< 1301804739 756545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:42:30 He didn't fix it, he just identified it.
< 1301804741 171276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what
< 1301804765 906409 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to think I have memory.
< 1301804768 167927 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not.
< 1301804772 731472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:45:57 alise: @ despite appearances is a reserved _word_ (operator-like word), not a reserved character, so it doesn't count as special inside other operators. many other things like -- and \ are similar, afair. but somethings work like actual punctuation, like brackets, semicolons and commas. iirc.
< 1301804774 494153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *some things
< 1301804780 658965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't eithello Gregor!
< 1301804787 557823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you toit sure is boring today.
< 1301804798 845975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's said anything in the laman, I am a rabbit indeed.
< 1301804799 579070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit is down
< 1301804800 263684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I am
< 1301804811 821477 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning #reddit-downtime is crowded with nuts
< 1301805256 55551 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1301805433 918580 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem with troubleshooting is that sometimes trouble shoots back.
< 1301805538 292985 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+;) = 3 in (+;)
< 1301805539 262814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `;'
< 1301805572 729810 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess allowing ; would just be too weird.
< 1301805587 479287 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also complicate the indentation rule
< 1301805643 17355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+,) = 3 in (+,)
< 1301805644 123594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `,'
< 1301805791 377048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it would interact badly with unary minus
< 1301805805 624140 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course some things already do that
< 1301805815 237397 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 == -2
< 1301805816 238826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1301805818 564507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ==-2
< 1301805819 570649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `==-'
< 1301805870 8789 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1301806457 162288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, now the VM crashes on boot
< 1301806463 870854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, or not
< 1301806494 347681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :das boot
< 1301806547 199821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :das u-boot is a bootloader :p
< 1301806650 409786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :natürlich
< 1301806819 244387 :oerjan_!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301806835 569780 :oerjan_!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1301806840 951864 :oerjan_!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit
< 1301806850 382725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1301806858 280777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301806945 259553 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't like this network error, that's the second time this week
< 1301806958 133545 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301806971 928724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's okay *hugs*
< 1301806980 574569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, what is your Clearance?
< 1301806986 9524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's coming from _inside_ the house
< 1301806994 253282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What VM?
< 1301807040 393496 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea i'll try if it happens again, though.
< 1301807046 964905 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1301807181 927324 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1301807277 686861 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the router boxes looks like it might be misbehaving, but the other one was recently replaced and now has many more outgoing whatchamacallits, so i may just scratch the misbehaving one. perhaps.)
< 1301807493 852206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, genera does not seem to be working
< 1301807569 881398 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1301807631 785020 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1301807680 916019 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: clearence ?
< 1301807684 84675 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* clearance
< 1301807715 950968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citizen! Failure to properly report your clearance is treason!
< 1301807908 709452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: buy me a lisp machine ktnx
< 1301808149 855992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENERA FUCKING STARTS
< 1301808150 347589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1301808153 477756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1301808157 339915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't dignified any bootup text yet though
< 1301808163 770357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the vm froe
< 1301808164 266939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ze
< 1301808165 11328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1301808206 637330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda disappointed variable isn't rushing to purchase me a lisp machine, that's never happened to me before
< 1301808566 120054 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301809330 641573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Vorpal! I think I may have a clue why internet in genera didn't work
< 1301809339 792333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Address for GENERA: INTERNET 172.23.24.15" --the define site screen
< 1301809342 160153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look right to me!
< 1301809364 753029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that is right for the vm
< 1301810122 88679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it works. thank you, thank you, thank you for creating this guide.
< 1301810148 810422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vODNieQ "It is two hundred sixty-seven words long."
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< 1301810570 42577 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1301810604 29878 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301810766 986907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this intro is so awesome
< 1301810905 295899 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1301812203 190780 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301812539 872874 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301813530 714121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the first full-ASCII terminal?
< 1301813535 728466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, both uppercase and lowercase.
< 1301813820 585270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, also-belatedly in reply, I half-plan to write a mouse-oriented tiling WM since none seem to exist (apart from... acme).
< 1301813826 180610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually wmii might do it...
< 1301814591 432997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vlee.sourceforge.net/
< 1301817444 496089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1301818084 95530 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1301818099 447009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have two thoughts about why students resist the idea of functions being values of no fundamentally different character than any others. One source, no doubt, is that many of them have “learned” programming on the street, and have developed all sorts of misconceptions that are being applied here."
< 1301818105 464240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangerous street programming gangs!
< 1301818725 442491 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-47-197.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1301818910 809591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey Vorpal! I think I may have a clue why internet in genera didn't work <-- oh?
< 1301818916 480783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was wrong
< 1301818947 311878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, it works, but it's a crapshoot to get it started; half the time the bottom bar loads and I can move my mouse around and it changes but it won't load the rest and clicking out of the window causes X to freeze silently
< 1301818953 430257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rare case, it works
< 1301818972 334542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't had that issue you mentioned
< 1301818981 64347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: it works. thank you, thank you, thank you for creating this guide. <-- so does that mean you think I'm awesome?
< 1301818984 199675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it does
< 1301819034 429135 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-66-131.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301819035 335831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dangerous street programming gangs! <-- I like the idea
< 1301819085 314100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'd be awesome if it didn't hang like that. and if it were faster. and if the scroll wheel worked.
< 1301819094 952816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and backspace worked...
< 1301819122 17736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the scrollback worked afaik?
< 1301819129 656242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1301819133 425634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and delete does what backspace does
< 1301819136 925662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does
< 1301819139 466734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but delete is annoying to press her
< 1301819140 686999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1301819142 256337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn+backspace
< 1301819144 734368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah...
< 1301819150 293891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every F-key :D
< 1301819156 883883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1301819159 259540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fn+Shift+F10 was fun to press.
< 1301819170 51300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, "I now have carpal tunnel" fun
< 1301819178 366844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1301819185 806425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that is your keyboard's fault
< 1301819198 22709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my thinkpad have proper keys for it
< 1301819209 312109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has
< 1301819212 254898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and depends on your definition of proper
< 1301819214 751004 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1301819215 363826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides Fn+Shift is easy, Fn is right below shift
< 1301819219 557773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean clustered at the top in a random jumble... :P
< 1301819226 702257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is, but i still had to bend my hand to get both pressed
< 1301819232 611501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes
< 1301819240 113624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or move your hand
< 1301819255 716579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:32 alise, it's a lovely idea, but I enjoy programming, and as such am a terrible developer.
< 1301819255 882841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA THOSE WERE THE DAYS
< 1301819260 935459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JULY 2010 EH
< 1301819271 754434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what idea?
< 1301819284 530406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp OS things. But the point is that PH said he enjoys programming there, ha ha ha
< 1301819292 178371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1301819322 207492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought he enjoyed procrastinating?
< 1301819332 801897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1301819340 384632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could write the @ compiler in BitC.
< 1301819354 712107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea
< 1301819392 103681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or write your own meta compiler in coq? Which is used to compile the compiler
< 1301819403 758363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg
< 1301819407 591818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1301819516 74731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you think a hash tree would work for storing objects in @?
< 1301819518 473104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thunkin'.
< 1301819566 684059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:17:17 Of course I mean VirtualBox. Writing bootloaders in Visual Basic is so stupid it's almost cool.
< 1301819566 849030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST IDEA
< 1301819634 422248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hash tree? Err?
< 1301819637 236600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1301819643 276341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_tree
< 1301819713 520692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be used for verification rather?
< 1301819732 645278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I think I have a cold
< 1301819752 550126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but if you look at the structure...
< 1301819757 996747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretend the arrows go the other way...
< 1301819763 876046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's suddenly a lookup tree
< 1301819841 985595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1301819890 371139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09:18 Basically, aliseOS will make you toast, take over the internet so you have some more computing power, make your mind explode every time you use it, and sexually gratify your dog*.
< 1301819890 537084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09:29 *Advanced edition only.
< 1301819891 50717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:10:46 But I don't have a dog
< 1301819891 216074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:10:57 zzo38: It will buy you a dog first.
< 1301819891 216257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:11:28 But I don't need a dog
< 1301819925 258045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(12:11:36 Yes, but the dog will be cuddly, you see. But I don't want a dog)
< 1301820226 632739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :routine that is a pain to code in python: "if all these lines start with a common whitespace prefix, remove it from all of them"
< 1301820759 197798 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose . dropWhile ((`elem` [" ", "\t"]) . map head . group) . transpose $ [" \t a ha", " \t\tbc", " \t hm"]
< 1301820761 406954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" a ha","\tbcm"," h"]
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< 1301820807 837244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1301820816 730703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
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< 1301822216 147654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bastard
< 1301822222 773588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: get it right so i can port it :-D
< 1301822363 173078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (drop . length . takeWhile (`elem` [" ","\t"]) . map (map head . group) . transpose) $ [" \t a ha", " \t\tbc", " \t hm"]
< 1301822365 126726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" \t hm"]
< 1301822372 207363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er nope
< 1301822387 642698 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (map . drop . length . takeWhile (`elem` [" ","\t"]) . map (map head . group) . transpose) $ [" \t a ha", " \t\tbc", " \t hm"]
< 1301822389 357136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" a ha","\tbc"," hm"]
< 1301822431 881690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should strp no prefix
< 1301822433 482340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1301822437 688973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should strip just the \t
< 1301822438 426853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strip
< 1301822479 436976 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does what i thought it should...
< 1301822496 732490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1301822496 898536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301822507 242971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (map . drop . length . takeWhile (`elem` [" ","\t"]) . map (map head . group) . transpose) $ [" x"," x"," x"]
< 1301822509 45762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" x","x"," x"]
< 1301822523 849477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now to find a way to express that in a way that Idiot Python will understand
< 1301822547 430566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t transpose
< 1301822548 431909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [[a]] -> [[a]]
< 1301822553 613647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]
< 1301822554 817640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,4],[2,5],[3,6]]
< 1301822558 488006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1301822568 641898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it'd probably be easier to convert this whole program to haskell :D
< 1301822573 407069 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D
< 1301822575 435582 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301822600 86307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note i am giving no guarantees that this is the most efficient method, even in haskell...
< 1301822653 683527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe i'm brainfreezing on how to do it in python X_X
< 1301822712 877599 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1301822713 43499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY OERJAN, MAKE AN IMPERATIVE ALGORITHM FOR IT :D
< 1301822713 381140 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1301822747 589769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um loop over the first line until you either hit whitespace or something which isn't in all lines?
< 1301822753 442697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*non-whitespace
< 1301822829 705718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: except that the first line could have more than the prefix
< 1301822833 741088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see what you mean
< 1301822841 699759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that uh
< 1301822843 136924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(mn)
< 1301822849 520235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where m is the prefix chars and n is the number of lines apart from the first
< 1301822855 984489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange complexity
< 1301822890 103154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not strange, that's how many characters you actually need to check to be sure what to remove
< 1301822899 569063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, eys
< 1301822900 748773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301822903 287957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's still strange!
< 1301822985 680577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to drink gravy from one compartment in a telly dinner while there is still liquid in another is not recommended.
< 1301822996 721049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted
< 1301823136 292486 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still O(n) in the actual file size
< 1301823325 767233 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301823339 283547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you've now given me the most pathetic image ever.
< 1301823365 624816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unemployed mathematician sitting on a sofa with TV dinner liquid all over him.
< 1301823504 475737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Are you still an unemployed mathematician?)
< 1301824326 588868 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. although it was just a little potato water.
< 1301824338 871244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a chair, not a sofa.
< 1301824382 332497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, i'd PAY oerjan to be an unemployed mathematician
< 1301824390 890681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...interesting.
< 1301824405 452904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: this counts as employment
< 1301824440 869263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn.
< 1301824532 138430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to disappoint
< 1301824539 127216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll pay you to work on @ ;D
< 1301824770 613476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Going elsewhere for dessert
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< 1301828236 479158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I looked more at the hash-tree, and I can't see how you could use it for lookup
< 1301828247 832598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Like I said, pretend the arrows go the other way X-D
< 1301828251 496659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, each hash is a hash of the entire subset of blocks
< 1301828270 782019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes indeed, but I can't figure out how you can make it more than one level deep (a hash-list...)
< 1301828353 91710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True :P
< 1301828387 859705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so in other words, it won't work
< 1301828392 492920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL
< 1301828399 495623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, b-tree is useful :P
< 1301828408 981897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you're LOSER :P
< 1301828416 994337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay do a b+-tree then
< 1301828684 725798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
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< 1301834162 48720 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1301839954 459660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:29:34 it's like, drowning while strapped to a board and having fun!
< 1301840030 424022 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterboarding?
< 1301840205 857212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the sport version
< 1301840219 384628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:25:23 olsner: ok so maybe with waterboarding you're actually like
< 1301840219 551023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:25:29 olsner: lying flat on the board at all times
< 1301840219 551178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:10 hmm, that could work
< 1301840219 551282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:24 although you do that when surfing too, just not all the time
< 1301840219 551383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:07 olsner: right, but CONSTANTLY
< 1301840219 716655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:09 olsner: ooh
< 1301840221 537378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:16 olsner: maybe your arms go underneath, and you tie them to it
< 1301840223 633367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:18 same with feet
< 1301840225 491659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:21 you become one with the board!
< 1301840227 492325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:29:34 it's like, drowning while strapped to a board and having fun!
< 1301840230 662104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:30:39 olsner: yup!
< 1301840231 874257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:30:46 olsner: just like waterboarding.
< 1301840233 563905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:32:37 well, the torture version is less likely to kill you I think
< 1301840235 651876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolflood
< 1301840243 448078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Thank you for this life wisdom:
< 1301840245 583485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:26:33 it's all fun and games until you think of the details
< 1301840287 782137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, that's so true
< 1301840648 443168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:08:46 I also like what I've heard of Nickleback
< 1301840648 608857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:09:04 Although the lyrics are objectionable -- I am able to hande that
< 1301840648 609039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should only read logs from like 2005 so i don't have to have my nice relaxing times pooped on by terribleness
< 1301840688 563890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:11:27 Are you saying I can hear the same melody, with different lyrics???
< 1301840688 789126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY LIFE IS FINALLY COMPLETE
< 1301840705 360140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had the nick elliott before 2010?
< 1301840713 756524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ?
< 1301840726 589036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That conversation with olsner?
< 1301840736 142836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is from 2010-10-30.
< 1301840774 300920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ?
< 1301840790 957752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1301840814 71249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHEN DID YOU THINK IT WAS FROM
< 1301840828 235618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THOUGHT IT WAS THE DISTANT PAST
< 1301840834 813167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE, 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO
< 1301840976 829912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU THINK THAT'S DISTANT, I WAS IN HERE A WHOLE ONE TIME IN 2006
< 1301840983 871128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% grep ehird 06.* 20
< 1301840984 37650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.12.29:12:42:41 --- join: ehird (n=ehird@user-5440e204.wfd80a.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #esoteric
< 1301840984 37870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.12.29:12:43:09 --- part: ehird left #esoteric
< 1301840984 37976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]%
< 1301840990 319193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FULLY FIVE YEARS AGO
< 1301841007 361593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACK WHEN I WAS ELLIOTT'S REAL AGE
< 1301841014 995246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THREE)
< 1301841032 836362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% grep ehird 06.* | wc -l
< 1301841033 2573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1301841033 2791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% grep ehird 07.* | wc -l
< 1301841033 2900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :25729
< 1301841036 853259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPEREXPONENTIAL GROWRTH
< 1301841039 403716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GROWTH
< 1301841043 326268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1301841055 73295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 25729/2
< 1301841055 812327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12864.5
< 1301841071 625341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 25729 * 12864.5
< 1301841072 386060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.309907205e8
< 1301841080 380370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY PREDICTION IS MADE
< 1301841166 416160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% for i in 06 07 08 09 10; do grep "^..:..:.. <(ehird|elliott|alise|iEhird)[^>]*>" $i.* | wc -l; done
< 1301841166 620386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1301841166 620555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23597
< 1301841166 620672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :52801
< 1301841166 620777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :180807
< 1301841168 519573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :181962
< 1301841173 200337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: STATISTICS
< 1301841193 546597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURE BUT YOU CAN'T BEAT ELEGANCE
< 1301841262 760540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm amazed you were able to increase your activity from '09 to '10 despite being institutionalised for most of it.)
< 1301841335 537972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have NO IDEA how quickly I can type on an iPhone now.
< 1301841355 177746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, '10 I was locked up, '09 I was free. But yeah, no idea how I managed to quadruple my activity :P
< 1301841391 158516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should totally implement my iPhone lockout mechanism on my family's WiFi network just to annoy my father and sister.)
< 1301841394 923214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)//
< 1301841426 967697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define your iPhone lockout mechanism. Character in password not on iPhone keyboards?
< 1301841445 825498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1301841508 527441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:54:38 HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1301841508 732961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:54:48 i had OS/2 Warp once.
< 1301841508 733150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:02 i had all those fucking floppies
< 1301841508 733258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:04 it never worked.
< 1301841508 733362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people are just poets
< 1301841515 983409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:41 catseye: summary of computing.
< 1301841518 548881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people are DOUBLE POETS
< 1301841544 380424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :== SUMMARY OF COMPUTING==
< 1301841551 676176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had OS/2 Warp once.
< 1301841557 891114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had all those fucking floppies.
< 1301841561 197805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never worked.
< 1301841609 325404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb editing [[wikipedia:computing]]
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< 1301842118 381396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:21:31 (i'll have an orange coke. let's slap a bsd gpl on this thing and check it into the github sccs.)
< 1301842466 54288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:14:27 There's a squirrel that lives near my building that I see every so often. I can recognize it's the same squirrel because it has no tail. It is a constant reminder that, visually speaking anyway, squirrels are approximately 50% tail.
< 1301842528 225277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a half-a-squirrel
< 1301842571 677202 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would nicely symmetrical if there was a squirrel tail running about somewhere
< 1301842643 810932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apr 3 12:32:11 rutian thttpd[25281]: 92.240.68.152 - - "GET /wp-content/uploads/2008/10/game-console.jpg HTTP/1.1" 404 0 "http://www.altavista.com/image/randomlink" "webcollage/1.135a"
< 1301842644 825177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1301843216 243684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alta Vista?
< 1301843219 503786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still exists?
< 1301843291 807768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1301843381 681150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's an altvista-themed frontend for yahoo nowadays
< 1301843520 724453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1301843556 230548 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S STILL MORNING
< 1301843565 565593 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing WORK
< 1301843568 411916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO IT'S NOT
< 1301843569 360139 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still MORNING
< 1301843571 239024 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... on SUNDAY
< 1301843576 974235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey what happened to pikhq,
< 1301843608 198809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he died
< 1301843611 276003 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He /nick'd to pingveno a while ago and doesn't seem to talk much recently.
< 1301843620 963346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1301843623 308415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALMOST BELIEVABLE
< 1301843758 858294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: btw: so gonna work on that forth again
< 1301843834 96486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nice
< 1301843878 133167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: one problem is i need to copy the dictionary elsewhere, cuz right now it's in my code :D
< 1301843901 548297 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put it at the end of your code, can't you just keep adding to it? :)
< 1301843948 263417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 0x55 0xAA
< 1301843957 37632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel like making sure that aligns as some junk dictionary word
< 1301844043 597584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how did i break my interpreter
< 1301844100 212598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: some of the words are promisingly tiny though
< 1301844101 844940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :store: pop bx ; addr
< 1301844102 75928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pop ax ; value
< 1301844102 241608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov word [bx], ax
< 1301844102 241800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : next
< 1301844109 620877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where next is
< 1301844113 112705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchg sp, bp
< 1301844113 363282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ret
< 1301844161 894185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh doing the forth again? heh
< 1301844181 366020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, adding digit reading support and writing a compiler.
< 1301844209 250657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1301844228 686986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, chances of fitting it in 510 bytes?
< 1301844238 726042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :decent i guess?
< 1301844246 33676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more likely if i remove the interpeter :D
< 1301844247 746068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1301844248 915118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interpreter
< 1301844258 10700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there's a forth there, you just can't get at it"
< 1301844325 671095 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/interpreter/REPL/?
< 1301844380 161472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, forth terminology is interpreter
< 1301844384 999196 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1301844387 233457 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke
< 1301844401 211923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: a forth interpreter reads words and executes them. a forth compiler reads words and compiles them into a new word definition
< 1301844414 369832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you invoke the compiler with the : word in the interpreter
< 1301844437 182141 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, but presumably the main problem isn't the interpreter /per se/, but the keyboard interrupt driver, display, all that BS.
< 1301844457 5167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, still, the interpreter is my longest subroutine :P
< 1301844462 47035 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm.
< 1301844476 929957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/chBI
< 1301844509 992274 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwow, we actually get to see some code?
< 1301844518 800046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE'S YOUR SCRAP
< 1301844522 545170 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ahem" is a good block name :P
< 1301844535 857969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what inspired me to call that ahem :D
< 1301844595 458183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should factor out that word-finder
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< 1301844687 386343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FWIW, the definition of "Forth" this thing uses is very loose :P
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< 1301844765 594601 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, being /spiritually/ Forth is what's important, not being e.g. ANS Forth :P
< 1301844787 273269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Define spiritually :P
< 1301844814 654596 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must worship the great Forth god.
< 1301844820 25346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it does.
< 1301844913 149431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey omnipit-olsner, after a jz and a ret, will another jz have the same branch?
< 1301844916 316453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could it branch any old way
< 1301844929 502384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. does jz or ret invalidate/reset the flag
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< 1301845664 25034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you need that compiler? Can't you just do threaded code?
< 1301845672 802071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...
< 1301845679 165693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :string threaded I mean
< 1301845685 963990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in, interpret everything
< 1301845693 220888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz 2 learn how forth works
< 1301845698 603161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
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< 1301846384 316047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1301846387 695654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do additions to bl overflow into bh?
< 1301846421 515861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh _dear_ that's broken
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< 1301846997 799441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue with firefox 4: if I type a m at the start of the address bar, it eats it up as a short cut for switch to tab. Extremely annoying. Any idea how to disable?
< 1301847035 347339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use Chrome
< 1301847071 311005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there are some things I don't like with chrome.
< 1301847366 235483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE HOW THEY SEND ALL YOUR DATA TO THE GOOGLES AM I RIGHT
< 1301847388 929887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1301847481 26424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. I'm talking about stuff like where the tab bar is. (Yes I know their motivation for it, I don't like it still.) And how it doesn't look native in a Gnome environment.
< 1301847495 117681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not last I checked.
< 1301847498 433256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are themes to make it native for just about any gnome theme.
< 1301847504 812907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That + tell it to use WM decorations.
< 1301847509 558656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks flawless here.
< 1301847514 855613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as for the tab bar?
< 1301847532 68543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you won't use a browser because of a few pixels difference in where the tab bar is placed, I say you're making up excuses.
< 1301847571 804983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, I couldn't find advanced options for cookie acception last I looked. And is there a noscript for chrome? Adblock? Firebug?
< 1301847581 598505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can move the tabs to the side with dev channel IIRC
< 1301847592 503468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: noscript yes (built in even, but there are extensions too)
< 1301847595 11227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adblock yes
< 1301847600 654905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and firebug?
< 1301847602 980497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firebug maybe. there's always the webkit inspector which works fine for me
< 1301847606 713288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1301847608 923290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has basically the same features
< 1301847624 444640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :including modifying it on the fly?
< 1301847625 339899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also http://getfirebug.com/releases/lite/chrome/
< 1301847628 491390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um, duh.
< 1301847629 908513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has that.
< 1301847630 453007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301847636 240084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firebug lite is shitty though imo
< 1301847640 852130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inspector works fine
< 1301847644 74181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, so what about the cookie stuff?
< 1301847655 79675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://chrome.google.com/extensions/?hl=en
< 1301847656 738099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFGI :P
< 1301847670 67916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1301847670 363578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb?hl=en ;; TOTALLY OFFICIAL (TM) adblock
< 1301847704 561422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep looks good
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< 1301847785 465864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/ppfdcmehpgiojcjgpclmfnbnpdmcmbgo ;; clearlooks scrollbars, not a full theme though :-p
< 1301847856 654208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I recommend using the official repos btw on an distro that can. (the .deb from their frontpage just adds an apt repository, installs the chrome package, and self-destructs)
< 1301847865 209983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome updates far more frequently than debian or ubuntu do :-P
< 1301847892 878071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :har
< 1301847904 636559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I found how to disable the thing in firefox
< 1301848318 284094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ghnea/those_of_you_labeled_smart_how_has_it_affected_you/
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< 1301848323 296829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, impending sense of dread.
< 1301848816 808603 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolololFAIL
< 1301849107 365800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's Well-Known(tm) that telling kids they're smart kills 'em :P
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< 1301849184 384377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least my parents refuse to acknowledge that I am in any way talented.
< 1301849340 979713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: QUITE RIGHT HUR HUR
< 1301849351 301411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, -_-
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< 1301849430 284635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1301849439 170084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1301849455 130863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: most houses are actually haunted, but by especially shy ghosts who never make their presence known
< 1301849467 459554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... okay
< 1301849481 4098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sounds logical
< 1301849492 770513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why
< 1301849500 549614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's just a theory
< 1301849505 697155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one that's kind-of hard to disprove
< 1301849521 210941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301849524 754055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a theory
< 1301849532 892083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even by the informal sense
< 1301849535 947906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not falsifiable
< 1301849570 713006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you mean hypothesis, not theory
< 1301849572 492446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, why is btr behaving wrongly?
< 1301849583 676173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: theory means hypothesis in informal conversation.
< 1301849591 259794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301849597 460177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh what ais523 said is just a religious belief, so it's a wild conjecture, not a theory or a hypothesis or anything :)
< 1301849599 543013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is wonderfully confusing
< 1301849622 844539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure it is religious. Belief though yes.
< 1301849630 532444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is religious
< 1301849636 261501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so=
< 1301849637 526179 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the informal sense, basically any sequence of words is a theory, even nonsense :P
< 1301849644 637443 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's my theory anyway HERP DURP)
< 1301849648 997709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a superstitious belief only able to be taken on faith
< 1301849660 673485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1301849671 356844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so yes it is conjecture indeed
< 1301849673 759848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could institute some kind of requirement for popularity to be a religious belief, but i don't think that'd hold up in practice
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< 1301849782 525064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wtf is u pwit hthis :/
< 1301849813 872616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it's going the wrong way around
< 1301849815 774467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*up with this
< 1301849850 780543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you talking about
< 1301849855 582906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my forth
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< 1301849899 552943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301849966 673184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the first on-topic thing i've done in ever >:D
< 1301850017 349745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a superstitious belief only able to be taken on faith ← I wouldn't define religiousness purely on that basis.
< 1301850026 477816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "religious belief", not "religion"
< 1301850118 609476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1301850120 702154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner olsner olsner :D
< 1301850154 188498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH DUH
< 1301850157 454991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's not working
< 1301850159 530668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm a stupid fuck
< 1301850269 682448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1301850272 410054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer reading works!
< 1301850282 259302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Vorpal: now is your chance to convince me it needs to support hex
< 1301850305 586258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: in an unprecedented innovation, you can write your integers in packed-letter format
< 1301850309 642386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just prefix a word with a 0!
< 1301850315 385385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can mix and match
< 1301850324 27870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qw9f70 is a number. i'm not sure which.
< 1301850365 873851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well 6e2 is a block drawing character.
< 1301850378 772801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0qwe apparently fails to qualify for number status.
< 1301850554 159412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Phantom_Hoover: ais523: WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY OUT THE FRTH510 DEVELOPER'S PREVIEW
< 1301850565 874350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not right now
< 1301850573 144303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp*
< 1301850576 735243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe another day
< 1301850577 144692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's only a 512 byte download!
< 1301850579 734313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implements SEVERAL words!
< 1301850586 84638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can entertain you for whole SECONDS with a simple qemu call!
< 1301850598 441791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Vorpal: now is your chance to convince me it needs to support hex <-- it doesn't
< 1301850618 521883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I would need to install qemu
< 1301850660 524582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bochs also works
< 1301850667 548108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not installed either
< 1301850674 860136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox...might work
< 1301850675 863507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only have virtualbox around for virtualisation
< 1301850743 244016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how long does it take for you to install a package X-D
< 1301850803 814970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do YOU want to try
< 1301850809 866893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1301850911 753714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHY NOT
< 1301850926 749963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NEVER REALLY LEARNED FORTH
< 1301850961 221001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It isn't Forth, it only has six words, of which three you can actually use.
< 1301850974 753473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other three?
< 1301850990 787108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is broken and the other two have no discernable effects from inside the interpreter.
< 1301850997 33089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I appear to have broken a word.
< 1301851097 681180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ANYWAY THEORETICALLY THIS SYSTEM CAN ALREADY DO ANYTHING
< 1301851104 412933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS POKE TO THE RIGHT LOCATIONS IN THE PROGRAM
< 1301851106 616513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO THAT IT DOES WHAT YOU WANT
< 1301851347 261810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, develop the rest using that
< 1301851351 645074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no :D
< 1301851358 789842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, come on
< 1301851362 953948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a wonderful idea
< 1301851371 526758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an assembler and a lot of patience it could be done.
< 1301851388 693179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want to poke the dictionary so that you have a new entry, "do stuff", that points to some code far away
< 1301851392 432608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, real men pokes memory directly. With a magnetic needle
< 1301851404 519758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you could just modify that code by assembling it manually and poking the words in
< 1301851410 535528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed
< 1301851420 320807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how many bytes is it currently?
< 1301851449 675734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 and something last I checked. it's going to expand, obviously, to grow a compiler and more words, but it's also going to contract as I microoptimise
< 1301851461 786526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1301851464 339012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out the most ghetto possible way to do IF ... THEN
< 1301851473 940474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, test, jmp?
< 1301851476 198551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmov?
< 1301851478 527971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that simple
< 1301851485 45502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most forths, if leaves a special marker on the stack
< 1301851489 532769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then goes back and twiddles it with the pointer to the THEN
< 1301851490 595328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err not jmp obviously
< 1301851492 435004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it knows where to jump to
< 1301851494 628883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :jne rather
< 1301851496 600869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with mine
< 1301851498 703419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF will just:
< 1301851501 588441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) look at the call stack
< 1301851504 788208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) read the calling word's code
< 1301851514 833891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) skip past the call instructions until it finds the address of THEN
< 1301851517 228137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) jumps there
< 1301851518 980114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's false, that is)
< 1301851536 651061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it works by inspecting the machine code that called it :D
< 1301851543 4576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1301851552 918497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to see you do THAT in C
< 1301851576 193009 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy enough unless you meant portable C
< 1301851584 483300 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will that cope with nested ifs?
< 1301851590 107554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it won't
< 1301851597 708813 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1301851601 466809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Good luck getting predictable enough code from the C compiler to manage that
< 1301851606 990809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what's the need? you can just define multiple words
< 1301851613 681508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: iirc colorforth doesn't support nested ifs either
< 1301851627 604894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm also leaving out ELSE support for the same reason as colorforth; simpler to implement a separate return)
< 1301851684 519221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in forth it's normal not to support nested ifs at all?
< 1301851690 161011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not in *forth*
< 1301851696 368596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth hardly counts as normal forth :-D
< 1301851717 680367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but anyway this lets me avoid any complicated "compile semantics".
< 1301851722 833711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has one... semantic.
< 1301851735 938425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from integer literals, which are treated specially by both interpreter and compiler :)
< 1301851740 127537 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1301851751 383207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are in a real forth, too, just they have a needless level of indirection (LITERAL))
< 1301851779 696978 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301851785 733509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think this also means that IF...THEN will fail badly in the interpreter :)
< 1301851813 550811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'll try and look at the interpreter's source code, which is ofc free-form x86
< 1301851823 412114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who cares, define a temporary word!
< 1301851876 111754 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301851882 538655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1301851901 963098 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1301851907 963801 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat's hi
< 1301851917 378708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with norwegians and puns
< 1301851956 105108 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Ale) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1301851966 120657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: fwiw, yoob feedback: for some reason, loading a new language hangs the thing for several seconds
< 1301851971 931401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also clicking the about language button.
< 1301851980 996427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite disconcerting
< 1301851986 53489 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll work on it
< 1301851996 460922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ah. i see the problem. what we need is MORE SPEED"
< 1301852002 866487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed(); speed(); speed();
< 1301852036 784762 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to load new classes in the background
< 1301852037 749999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i clicked edit in ale and the whole applet went white :D
< 1301852062 731784 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that before
< 1301852099 361489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : speed(); speed(); speed(); <-- that obviously has some call overhead without an inlining compiler! ;P
< 1301852117 670853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: hm right
< 1301852118 500349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, any plans to add Lazy K :P
< 1301852121 106414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: if you click about -> done
< 1301852126 94695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: edit/reset/step/run become ungreyed
< 1301852129 43596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason
< 1301852138 744622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then clicking edit borks it
< 1301852163 49868 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that
< 1301852182 974701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm not sure why edit starts off greyed
< 1301852189 19318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict it leaves no way to actually input an initial program
< 1301852216 732441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the brainfuck input thing reorders text if you type quickly :p
< 1301852249 349538 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? the input thing is just a JTextArea...
< 1301852261 468191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the implementation deletes characters from it and repositions the cursor as it goes
< 1301852273 340378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you type faster than java can wake up and remove the characters, your typing gets out of order
< 1301852281 665248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing! can become ng!testi or whatever
< 1301852298 938502 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the input box, not the program-editing box
< 1301852300 345757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try typing hello world into revcat right as it starts
< 1301852300 770753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1301852437 853608 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be a custom control of some kind, not a textarea.
< 1301852441 364007 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1301852486 444650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why ls is called ls. After all it stands for list directory? Shouldn't it be ld or lsd then? Not sure why the linker is ld... Link Objects? Should be lo?
< 1301852486 756519 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301852497 763436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: preferably just a box that can hold one char?
< 1301852501 284942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and silently buffers them behind the scenes
< 1301852515 246796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: List Segments from Multics
< 1301852516 96129 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 'list segments'
< 1301852525 775481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Multics, (collection of) segment(s) = file
< 1301852530 922862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah
< 1301852555 746176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno where ld comes from
< 1301852559 538245 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was carefully chosen to produce a unique value in an existing perfect hash function
< 1301852560 685610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1301852569 211230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, heh :P
< 1301852621 604812 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link on up Dem objects
< 1301852627 532039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you should implement frth in yoob :-P
< 1301852629 194600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1301852660 751233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: linkers used to be called loaders
< 1301852669 115914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ld is a plausible abbreviation for "loader"
< 1301852672 350251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, right, I think the Multics one was a loader
< 1301852817 437798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEHOW I FEEL CATSEYE DOES NOT EXPERIENCE A WAVE OF EXCITEMENT AT THIS IDEA
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< 1301852821 591107 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-)
< 1301852825 307912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg impomatic heard
< 1301852827 980854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on the forth
< 1301852829 491640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has spies
< 1301852836 714091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, someone just made a 14-bit quantum register
< 1301852842 775335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's twice as much as the state of the art a few years ago
< 1301852849 91827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're second-class persons?
< 1301852858 906484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is forcing the hand of a person allowed like that?
< 1301852859 230965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, someone just made a 14-bit quantum register <-- wow
< 1301852864 872223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they haven't hooked it up into an actual quantum computers
< 1301852866 467458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computer
< 1301852868 462595 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott: what precisely are you writing?
< 1301852879 166467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I'm continuing work on my 510-byte Forth.
< 1301852893 737194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I've added integer literals; after I fix this pesky bug, I'll be adding a compiler.
< 1301852915 690429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: And then I will RULE THE WORLD
< 1301852937 165378 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only until Itsy-Forth is released :-P
< 1301852945 131720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Will IT be 510 bytes of x86?
< 1301852947 177227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK NOT
< 1301852952 789407 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was "frth" a typo?
< 1301852955 455261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: no
< 1301852959 771737 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saves a byte :P
< 1301852960 924224 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find it
< 1301852963 678354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: TECHNICALLY all this work is superfluous; it has poke, you can just poke the program you want into memory and cause the interpreter to jump there with a well-placed additional poke. So I'm DONE ALREADY and it's like 200 bytes.
< 1301852981 922947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that's because it's neither adequately specified, implemented entirely, or mentioned outside of here ever
< 1301852984 594599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed given a name
< 1301853009 729471 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frth = your 510-byte Forth?
< 1301853016 776010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :)
< 1301853017 336027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you mean FRTH? The fingerprint?
< 1301853034 825487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: space constraints are twisting it into, uh, something more than a little esoteric
< 1301853048 759877 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'll be as long as it needs to be, probably 1K. Otherwise it'll be missing some features.
< 1301853053 96855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: WELL THEN!
< 1301853081 411352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, impomatic: you are both doing it wrong. Do it in VHDL
< 1301853089 712184 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make it smaller if I didn't worry about strict ANS compatibility.
< 1301853096 936473 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'll have to implement something representing the functional/combinatorial world at some point. Lazy K is probably easier to implement than Unlambda. (guessing)
< 1301853103 177849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I reject your culture of demanding software spend bytes on implementing SO-CALLED ``features'' at the alter of NEEDLESS BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY.
< 1301853124 516315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, indeed, your BUREAUCRATIC programming style is OBSOLETE and OUTMODED! You would STEAL another 512 bytes from the user for no gain at all!
< 1301853133 514844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPPORT FRTH, ONE TRUE MINIMALIST FORTH
< 1301853139 545183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOESN'T REQUIRE DOS EITHER BECAUSE IT'S AWESOME
< 1301853139 711310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Unlambda has a few features that more or less make it deliberately awkward to implement
< 1301853156 12732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, DOS is awesome, nothing should require an awesome thing
< 1301853163 910508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1301853329 895353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with some of these bugs :/
< 1301853331 13331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm oh wait
< 1301853331 444948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1301853346 29987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1301853469 44510 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really possible to make the interpreter/compiler loop much smaller than 100 bytes.
< 1301853519 743689 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, there's a #forth channel :-)
< 1301853532 830108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you know the freebsd bootloader has forth?
< 1301853540 968141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah?
< 1301853542 43210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, could your forth replace that one?
< 1301853552 13943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the bootloader smaller
< 1301853552 788676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I know, but last time I was in it ams wouldn't shut up.
< 1301853564 322377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Also, err, my interpreter is smaller than that.
< 1301853579 607814 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... I'd be interested in seeing it.
< 1301853580 979168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably not without losing the remaining bootloader functionality :P
< 1301853581 144186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe like 50 bytes?
< 1301853587 151206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hah
< 1301853606 531949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://sprunge.us/JaXb Here's the currently-something's-broken version :P
< 1301853614 754775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those two commented out lines really should be there, there's just some weird bug I'm tracking down.
< 1301853616 416702 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the freebsd bootloader doesn't reside in the bootblock
< 1301853627 439588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, ah
< 1301853628 85598 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bootblock/MBR/
< 1301853639 424339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Unless you count the word reader and word finder (as in, dictionary lookup) in the byte count.
< 1301853644 849715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: But since the compiler reuses them..
< 1301853647 700266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them...
< 1301853681 723611 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My loop is compiler and interpreter. Probably why it's bigger.
< 1301853685 538326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two example word bodies:
< 1301853686 746440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch: pop bx
< 1301853686 961417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : push word [bx]
< 1301853687 430253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : next
< 1301853689 254985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :store: pop bx ; addr
< 1301853691 256857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pop ax ; value
< 1301853693 253513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov word [bx], ax
< 1301853695 260401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : next
< 1301853698 290693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: My compiler is a separate word; I'm curious, why are yours intertwined?
< 1301853718 792149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(next is just xchg sp, bp; ret)
< 1301853738 624948 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep the top stack entry in a register instead of on the stack. Makes some of the code smaller.
< 1301853742 49834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that store comes out to four bytes, btw)
< 1301853746 660639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, slightly more
< 1301853752 527531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 bytes
< 1301853755 374390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including next)
< 1301853758 957307 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch: mov bx, word [bx]
< 1301853763 382807 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : next
< 1301853770 593218 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1301853775 496494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch is six bytes including next
< 1301853787 424752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Well, yeah, that makes some code shorter.
< 1301853793 7235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: But the stack manipulation words would require more juggling.
< 1301853800 360966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as pushes.
< 1301853800 563999 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301853800 994276 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1301853801 158840 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301853802 727594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not sure it pays off.
< 1301853806 205665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: What's your NEXT?
< 1301853808 695094 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :store: pop word [bx]
< 1301853812 383206 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : pop bx
< 1301853814 895907 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : next
< 1301853818 724595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I'm doing subroutine threaded code, btw.
< 1301853834 647571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how does that store work at all...
< 1301853834 812577 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1301853853 984836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that reversed?
< 1301853879 207742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the pop-to-dereference trick though :P
< 1301853888 417289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :store is now 6 bytes X-D
< 1301853948 218565 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have two different NEXT. At the moment I can do indirect of direct threaded.
< 1301853956 108773 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of EQU or
< 1301853968 638116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, subroutine threaded pays off massively.
< 1301853976 42947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I can reuse the short x86 stack instructions.
< 1301853997 929387 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use INT 3 for next. It's only 1 byte :-)
< 1301854014 742413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is ret...
< 1301854126 808493 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you handle the return address if you're using the stack for other stuff?
< 1301854138 628859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: xchg sp, bp :P
< 1301854203 373254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301854207 778367 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So each word starts and ends with xchg sp, bp?
< 1301854227 171598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: No -- each word ends with it, and then a ret. Well, usually; as long as it ends up in the right place at the end it can do whatever it wants.
< 1301854235 363593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: The initial swap is done by the interpreter loop I pasted.
< 1301854281 887206 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1301854339 476659 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way you get nearly zero dB loss in the 100-500 KHz range, and only negligble dropout thereafter
< 1301854366 785919 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301854380 929057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ...yes...what
< 1301854406 31438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, Take my love, take my land
< 1301854439 670964 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1301854448 224706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, wrong channel?
< 1301854459 464513 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even seen the series
< 1301854474 497565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mindboggles
< 1301854487 55813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I haven't seen the series either
< 1301854500 53887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you're not named after it, though
< 1301854514 667182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, uh... His nick is after the insect obviously
< 1301854518 50850 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I know firefly is not just the name of a series)
< 1301854544 268088 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started using this nick long before I knew about the series :P
< 1301854548 418834 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VORPAL THIS IS NEVER THE WRONG CHANNEL
< 1301854557 862518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, touche
< 1301854643 223490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how do I perform esoterica spells?
< 1301854681 673555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, usually you write a program in Malbolge that outputs an underload program that perform the task
< 1301854684 898914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :performs*
< 1301854857 623427 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone refresh my memory: the lambdas in FALSE aren't proper closures, right? If I do like [n;] then change the value stored in n, executing that lambda won't give me the original value of n?
< 1301854886 585630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, that's unrelated to proper closures
< 1301854889 101538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define x 42)
< 1301854892 882855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define f (lambda () x))
< 1301854896 925134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set! x 24)
< 1301854898 579009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f) => 24
< 1301854919 554159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since afaik all false vars are global
< 1301854936 921947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: more importantly, it's not a real false unless you support `... :)
< 1301854959 736642 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can't properly close over values" then
< 1301854998 188857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have local variables, then of course you can't close over values :)
< 1301855012 487209 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, in my book anyway, you don't have closures
< 1301855035 997987 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, you could close over globals by copying them when constructing the closure
< 1301855049 487384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it i'm sure! with `!
< 1301855103 222586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i don't get the impression catseye is rushing to implement ` either
< 1301855116 879671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why, 68000 emulator in java sounds like fun
< 1301855129 199692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you'd also have to require amiga OS files
< 1301855131 643812 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catch sufficiently 68000 emulator in Java.
< 1301855135 679045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1301855244 301394 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, 68000-subset emulator in MBR. An unusually not mephitic project.
< 1301855251 501651 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many instructions you could do.
< 1301855364 823017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the deal with these "catch sufficiently"?
< 1301855390 173825 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1301855515 536739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: they're caught sufficiently
< 1301855515 740525 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301855539 322370 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm obviously not catching sufficiently
< 1301855583 94161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try catching more sufficiently
< 1301855586 992849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unusually not metphitic task
< 1301855597 207900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while you're at it, enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity!
< 1301855598 547129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wtf is "metphitic"?
< 1301855608 689512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh are all these from the same source?
< 1301855609 275356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: have a nice kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen.
< 1301855614 279651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no
< 1301855623 388567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then what is the source of the other two=
< 1301855629 90332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/
< 1301855632 924655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric? :)
< 1301855634 161815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which other two
< 1301855639 937347 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those other two -->
< 1301855652 34510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, catching sufficiently and metphitic task
< 1301855666 896221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :former is recent esowiki spammer
< 1301855683 33990 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was the latter
< 1301855704 874833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mephitic, please stop failing at spelling things right in front of you
< 1301855706 765347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite offensive
< 1301855711 255238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1301855714 847208 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY CAN'T I DANCE LIKE THE SNOWFLAKES
< 1301855755 85613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because society will never accept alternative lifestyles
< 1301855761 836060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you're no snowflake, obviously you can't dance like one
< 1301855765 775709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-04-01.txt:11:41:30: (diff) (hist) . . N Talk:Velato/; 05:01 . . (+169) . . 195.211.160.6 (Talk) (Unusually not mephitic forum!!!! Epilogue to bookmarks. To a countless extent wares resource. Greatly much admins)
< 1301855768 181539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so both were spammers.
< 1301855773 149833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's mephitic, please stop failing at spelling things right in front of you <-- I copy pasted your line " an unusually not metphitic task"
< 1301855783 350284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1301855785 568032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mephitic
< 1301855786 982915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shameful of me
< 1301855793 964858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D
< 1301855797 358189 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this discussion from a little typo...
< 1301855803 20601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ENJOY BEING LOCKED IN YOUR MATRIX OF SOLIDITY, ASSHOLE
< 1301855807 218687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does mephitic mean?
< 1301855821 140521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :miasmic: of noxious stench from atmospheric pollution
< 1301855821 372342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
< 1301855896 302830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, google has word definitions now
< 1301855911 861701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: wanna debug my ugly asm? :D
< 1301855917 698820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "define:x" has existed for years
< 1301855919 828954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally
< 1301855921 94842 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mephitic asm
< 1301855959 106678 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: true, but I don't want to have to remember having to add "define:"
< 1301855976 179590 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you only get crappy definitions with define:x
< 1301855977 997591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does this thing refuse to acknowledge mephitic solidity :/
< 1301855982 236853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna cry
< 1301855992 822786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h^@¸^Gh^@<8c>^W¼ÿÿ½^@<80>è1^@1öë^G&Ç^D^@^@FFè-^@èF^@èt^@<83>ÿ^@t^Oh^U|<87>åÿe^D<87>åS<87>åëÜ&Ç^D?^GFFëÓ0À1ÿ¹ ^OóªÃ&fÇ^Do^Gk^G<89>ð³ öó@<^X^?^Eöã<89>ÆÃ1öëÚf1Û0äÍ^V&<88>^DF&Æ^D^GF< u^AÃfÁã^E,@$^_^HÃëâf^Oºë^_,00äkÛ
< 1301855993 50125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^AÃëÒ¿â|f9^]u^AÃ<83>=^@t^E<83>Ç^Fëð1ÿÃ<87>åè´ÿÃ[ÿ7<87>åÃ[<8f>^G<87>åÃX<87>å_P<87>åÿç<87>å_X<87>åPÿçX&<88>^DF&Æ^D^GF<87>åÃ^D}^^^@^@^@»|òQ^@^@Á|²=i^@Ê|4µ^B^@Ó|^\^@^@^@^@^@^@^@µ|
< 1301855995 700648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol how is it still that small
< 1301855997 195721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: true, but I don't want to have to remember having to add "define:" <-- the non-crappy ones been around for years too
< 1301856001 538550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how :|
< 1301856031 400713 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I don't mind having a look for a few minutes.
< 1301856040 886436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: trust me, you don't want to :)
< 1301856043 26498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unbelievably hideous
< 1301856061 411720 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind ugly code.
< 1301856061 853714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1301856064 948519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing that dictionary entry fixed it
< 1301856073 619477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4+2 is 6 right? just checking
< 1301856153 992766 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be more ugly than this : C >R 256 15 16 1799 4 13107 2 21845 R> 4 0 DO TUCK OVER AND -ROT INVERT AND ROT / + LOOP ;
< 1301856163 464850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sent it in /msg, trade secret after all :P
< 1301856166 1672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pertinent comment is at the bottom
< 1301856168 591742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how would you noun mephitic? mephicity?
< 1301856169 213710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ; If this is uncommented, then trying to execute @ (= 0) reports "?"
< 1301856176 433346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, that's the city of Mephi
< 1301856186 86271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mephiticity?
< 1301856186 249686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes youtube fails badly: [download] 62.1% of 133.44M at 63.31k/s ETA 13:37
< 1301856194 898347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: also, the other things that are commented out are commented out "permanently"
< 1301856196 610102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the video is about 6 minutes
< 1301856198 394797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. there are no debug hacks left in this
< 1301856203 945042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way that buffering could work here
< 1301856208 893292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1301856209 127870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1301856215 655288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait
< 1301856216 400094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm
< 1301856218 266112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it fixed itself
< 1301856221 775522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i forgot to uncomment the dictionary entry
< 1301856235 16775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: basically I _think_ fword is somehow broken
< 1301856249 378203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It can't be more ugly than this : C >R 256 15 16 1799 4 13107 2 21845 R> 4 0 DO TUCK OVER AND -ROT INVERT AND ROT / + LOOP ; <-- "DO TUCK OVER AND" look a bit like intercal somehow
< 1301856261 176850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE DO TUCK OVER AND UNDER
< 1301856267 619400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the DO followed by a bunch of caps, I think
< 1301856271 374754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yep
< 1301856344 60542 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :
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< 1301856513 195355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
< 1301856523 699350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're wanted in #esoteric-minecraft
< 1301856538 279661 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say it isn't so
< 1301856564 142710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, what isn't so?
< 1301856580 321067 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything, doesn't really matter
< 1301856639 507914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, ais523 theory about ghosts probably isn't so :P
< 1301856643 249971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy ?
< 1301856703 179106 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301856704 531366 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1301856709 102848 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what theory was that?
< 1301856742 645399 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :involves Feather probably
< 1301856758 71475 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301856761 189620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just ghosts
< 1301856764 745074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shy ghosts
< 1301857113 954068 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will summarize: Ghosts are all over the damn place, but they're fucking pussies.
< 1301857121 645357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1301857124 351184 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpret the last two words in either of the two obvious ways.
< 1301857207 66174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, theory: most houses are actually haunted, but by especially shy ghosts who never make their presence known
< 1301857396 671117 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this combines well with my theory that upon death, the human soul remains on earth but becomes remarkably timid
< 1301857620 93182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam Hughes has a job now?
< 1301857629 770996 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I preferred my statement of the "theory"
< 1301857788 603006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sam hughes has always had a job ever
< 1301857867 762089 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1301857868 801854 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sam Hughes (January 18, 1824–April 1, 1898) was the last great ophicleide player and one of the greatest who ever played the instrument in its short history."
< 1301857875 983160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1301857891 324015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should set that as his twitter bio :D
< 1301857891 531516 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now he's too shy and also non-corporeal so can't
< 1301857985 325122 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had not heard of the ophicleide before. That's quite the instrumet.
< 1301857988 677945 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instrument
< 1301858041 472180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sam hughes has always had a job ever ← what about the constant moaning about him not being able to get a job in the older entries?
< 1301858046 245986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean
< 1301858049 312073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after time started beganning
< 1301858051 192298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he jobbed
< 1301858075 875305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link to his Twitter, BtW?
< 1301858081 384240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, internet commentators cannot resist being irritating snooty douchebags: "If I had a choice, I'd take NO beer. If I didn't have a choice, and was faced with the prospect of spending the rest of my life required to drink beer regularly, I'd probably drown myself in the waves."
< 1301858093 863434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://twitter.com/qntm. He is forgiven for his slander against J THIS ONE TIME.
< 1301858151 742860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, now I have to google what "ophicleide" is
< 1301858162 125246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's a weird brass thing.
< 1301858175 405881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and why isn't it played any more?
< 1301858216 599305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's only room for so many brass instruments?
< 1301858221 405415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tau is the Dvorak of trigonometry."
< 1301858224 195630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fair enough
< 1301858228 67410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAM HUGHES AGREES WITH ME HAH
< 1301858236 362868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS PIKHQ I MUST GLOAT
< 1301858238 870109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you like Dvorak music?
< 1301858254 589169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm*
< 1301858255 751552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suspiciously plausible hypothesis proposed on Metafilter: Simon Pegg and Nick Frost are Sam Vimes and Fred Colon.
< 1301858259 634084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFGYESYESYSEYSYEYSEYSYEYSESY
< 1301858265 525365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS ALSO PROPOSED ON REDIT
< 1301858267 363941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*REDDIT
< 1301858277 484370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh the keyboard layout?
< 1301858280 724323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO SHUT UP YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A METAFILTER ACCOUNT
< 1301858424 996889 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : SAM HUGHES AGREES WITH ME HAH
< 1301858457 427608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: mathematician, code monkey and hard-science-fiction author, before you possibly ask
< 1301858494 504855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's like Evolution of Dance—a collection of kicky songs, just substitute dancing for the tribal drumming of a self-crafted PVC pipe instrument. 19 songs in 8 minutes. [more inside]
< 1301858498 796213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: EVERYTHING PVC IS GREGOR RELATED
< 1301858627 12183 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already TOLD you who Sam Hughes was, duh
< 1301858632 905619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: SAME GUY
< 1301858723 154102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8d9/ ;; thinkgeek, always like 17 years behind!
< 1301858812 646062 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301858818 638272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 years eh?
< 1301858824 406960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. :P
< 1301858857 703228 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8b8/
< 1301858871 215316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the images have reached china or some other place stereotypically heartless towards pets and made someone try it for real
< 1301858888 219970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yeah well, sometimes a cigar is just a light saber
< 1301858894 886291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: WE CAN ONLY HOPE
< 1301858899 143500 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301858939 175242 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1301858942 362195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure TA-TK likes me :/
< 1301858984 679746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She called me "babes" (outloud, so I don't know if she'd spell it like that) and "boo" and "swee" (I think that was cut off)
< 1301859086 886249 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301859087 87819 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1301859087 87964 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301859109 114821 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am quite amused by the idea of a shelf in the library coming on to Sgeo.
< 1301859132 855489 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TL-UA, on the other hand, won't give me the time of day..."
< 1301859140 467905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOSWEE
< 1301859163 220429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, she said "my sweet"
< 1301859168 179260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Man, you ain't lived til you been with some of dat Dewey decimal material
< 1301859210 107340 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, since when does "I'm pretty sure likes me" deserve to be followed by the emoticon ":/"?
< 1301859220 630264 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1301859229 658913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on who :/
< 1301859236 689211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, since I've come to the conclusion a while ago that she's a boring idiot.
< 1301859241 18361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Hitler likes me :/
< 1301859241 302950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, well, a bookshelf would be blind and unable to move, so Sgeo would probably be attracted to it anyway.
< 1301859242 425607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot :/
< 1301859253 136482 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I would think it would quantize to :) or :( pretty soundly in most cases, is all.
< 1301859255 952247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, he's proposed to me and everything :/
< 1301859260 681964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now I'm trying to mentally imagine a cross between :/ and !, interrobang-style
< 1301859262 284268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And threatened to kill me if I don't marry him :/
< 1301859269 305219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sort of neutral about this :/
< 1301859286 245336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, which one is TA-TK?
< 1301859292 683302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that KT-AT?
< 1301859292 848475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the "programmer"
< 1301859295 453905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is another one TA-TK.
< 1301859296 848875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOSE TRACK.
< 1301859299 40170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another one
< 1301859300 914980 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not KT-AT
< 1301859312 346810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone decided that "Other" was not a good enough moniker
< 1301859458 449086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301859471 983299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Probably me
< 1301859474 5345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI OKLOPOL
< 1301859476 280597 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi.
< 1301859477 765067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE A MASTER
< 1301859482 64184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literlaly loll
< 1301859486 35089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahajhahahaha
< 1301859493 727741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHHIOAHAHOAIJHAIOJHOEJIJOIJNHSKREJWHDP[Q]
< 1301859497 955376 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehheahehehehehehehehehehehaw
< 1301859499 66462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :se
< 1301859505 424404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjnesfrdldfglvcx
< 1301859508 442018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :t3q4w5yj6ue4tgqrthyetwrqgthekliuolikurjyeuio'p
< 1301859509 407556 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :r5deio'ple3't0sl5edoP
< 1301859509 661049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'tf'g
< 1301859510 975044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hy8ftghgfduiohpjkp'o<
< 1301859545 867200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly: oklo
< 1301859612 201779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : literlaly loll <-- laughing out loudly loud?
< 1301859620 408045 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sticks "t3q4w5yj6ue4tgqrthyetwrqgthekliöäuolikurjyeuio'p" into Google Translate
< 1301859633 503687 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258]
< 1301859642 653964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: its clever for "asljasd"
< 1301859642 818486 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maltese to English translation"
< 1301859670 540097 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks "Listen"!
< 1301859677 277648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, it means "Piranhas in your hovercraft"
< 1301859701 664838 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Listen" is not working :(
< 1301859719 771047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it is
< 1301859723 300417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: every letter in that sentence is silent
< 1301859744 104276 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every letter is pronounced as "Google fails to serve content to browser"
< 1301859843 155382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301859977 633118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I found a new "hat" for Gregor!
< 1301859983 120081 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh
< 1301859991 741818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, two new
< 1301860000 760591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/hats-ties/beac/ and http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/hats-ties/b53e/
< 1301860086 14389 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wierd spec neither defines the size of values on the stack nor what happens if you try to pop an empty stack.
< 1301860111 66064 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, thinkgeek really makes me hate being alive
< 1301860133 495724 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote wow, thinkgeek really makes me hate being alive
< 1301860138 59186 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :347) wow, thinkgeek really makes me hate being alive
< 1301860169 414140 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: why?
< 1301860180 256520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, heh
< 1301860216 472999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wierd spec neither defines the size of values on the stack nor what happens if you try to pop an empty stack.
< 1301860220 476258 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: BECAUSE I HAVE A SOUL, OR I DID, BEFORE I STARTED LOOKING AT THESE PRODUCTS
< 1301860230 43661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: just steal a convenient type of values on the stack from TURKEY BOMB
< 1301860240 626886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: what's wrong with the products?
< 1301860245 760966 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Befunge-93 doesn't define what happens if you try to p or g outside of the 80x25 area
< 1301860360 995343 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if someone else tries that either!
< 1301860415 634967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You should implement -98 next ;D
< 1301860430 299389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, ooh, or jumping to -1 is exciting, my old language that NOBODY HAS EVER GIVEN ANY LOVE EVER
< 1301860450 555338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was yours?
< 1301860456 83359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301860469 68290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : catseye: You should implement -98 next ;D <-- what about the y coordinate issue you found?
< 1301860472 333881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1301860476 828336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what?
< 1301860538 913293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure whether it's TC or not
< 1301860573 165532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually looked at it
< 1301860575 366420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name's painful
< 1301860581 883428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ooh, ooh, or jumping to -1 is exciting, my old language that NOBODY HAS EVER GIVEN ANY LOVE EVER <-- which language?
< 1301860587 431749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Jumping_to_-1_is_exciting
< 1301860590 191511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax of that "spec" is
< 1301860592 738155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *oh*
< 1301860596 872045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :command name stack trace -> result
< 1301860600 729574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack track = right-most is top of stack
< 1301860607 548319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is a pick type instruction thing
< 1301860608 861422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *that* was that name
< 1301860615 837433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wat
< 1301860634 336840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I searched for "or jumping to -1 is exciting" :P
< 1301860657 993302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1301860693 92693 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what y coordinate issue?
< 1301860697 113587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :blahbot` in #esoteric can run this.
< 1301860701 234365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, sec
< 1301860705 554729 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing Wierd next, btw.
< 1301860708 169636 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It deserves it
< 1301860734 179122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 vector containing the least point which contains a non-space cell, relative to the origin (env)
< 1301860734 383548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 vector containing the greatest point which contains a non-space cell, relative to the least point (env)
< 1301860734 383733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : These two vectors are useful to give to the o instruction to output the entire program source as a text file.
< 1301860742 965158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I remember elliott found some issue with that
< 1301860747 971352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the details. Ask him
< 1301860768 701328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude we've been over this
< 1301860771 337206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really matter :P
< 1301860776 486019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Wierd, but also SNUSP
< 1301860777 102328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well catseye doesn't know
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< 1301860881 274326 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...that's one of the things FBBI still fails at. It doesn't shrink those bounds if you overwrite the edges with space.
< 1301860887 964771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the issue
< 1301860892 161319 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize that
< 1301860897 243289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1301860902 737767 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no one is saying what the issue is
< 1301860903 110960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I think it was something like the way it was written it meant that it wasn't usable by o in fact.
< 1301860905 524924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge breaks that too unless you compile it explicitly stating you want it to not be broken
< 1301860916 739116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowdown.b98 was designed to completely screw with that effect, IIRC
< 1301860916 904751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: 1 vector containing the least point which contains a non-space cell, relative to the origin (env)
< 1301860918 225773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that's not
< 1301860920 851797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the default is for "not broken" there
< 1301860921 493653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: the top-left of the bounding box
< 1301860927 444451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that's the least _occupied_ point
< 1301860933 84689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bounding box could be much bigger
< 1301860943 979600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: now, you could say that "these two vectors are useful to give to the o instruction" overrides this, but
< 1301860949 211000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: (1) "useful" is subjective,
< 1301860949 484911 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1301860953 114811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: (2) that's in italics,
< 1301860960 861575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it isn't
< 1301860961 492069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: (3) the other sentences are far more precise than it
< 1301860962 751190 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm not saying that
< 1301860963 911934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh
< 1301860964 862548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever
< 1301860965 551672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1301860966 517716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html#Sysinfo
< 1301860969 229863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : slowdown.b98 was designed to completely screw with that effect, IIRC
< 1301860974 786446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's just meant to create a huge fungespace
< 1301860977 364926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that wrapping takes ages
< 1301860984 160981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't it then remove the original program?
< 1301860987 357202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that something else?
< 1301860996 821063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i think it's something to do with bounds though :)
< 1301861005 962951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cfunge with bounds shrinking doesn't handle
< 1301861007 346279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ccbi does
< 1301861015 49475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(handle = without taking years)
< 1301861042 964067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: So is there an official Yoob API for implementing Yoobular Environments? :-P
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< 1301861045 911242 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't plan to fix that in FBBI fwiw. The only thing left that I plan to fix is that it reports that { or something "pushes a strange storage offset" or something, without telling me what it is
< 1301861067 878809 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not yet. API still fluid
< 1301861077 959893 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stupid
< 1301861080 434765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: bah. i'd prefer you locked it into a matrix of solidity!!!!
< 1301861082 195471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1301861092 619737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also are there plans to make the 2d editors more... 2d friendly
< 1301861106 740121 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1301861123 421091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least make them work overwriting, not inserting?
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< 1301861175 398747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't plan to fix that in FBBI fwiw. The only thing left that I plan to fix is that it reports that { or something "pushes a strange storage offset" or something, without telling me what it is <-- "without telling me what it is" is *very* typical of mycology
< 1301861203 754410 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main purpose, for now, is to showcase the languages. If you are doing serious editing of programs in the languages, you're free to use an offline editor and copy and paste. (If you want to save your work, you have to do this anyway.)
< 1301861262 522853 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have a rudimentary implementation of Wierd, completely untested. I guess that'll be my next step, but... later
< 1301861284 320287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you up the maximum speed, too? I'm watching this particularly slow program churn. :p
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< 1301861287 858141 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if there's a Befunge-111, y will reflect >:)
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< 1301861297 715976 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's on the todo list
< 1301861299 771816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-111 should just specify everything :P
< 1301861304 998309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILE IO IS MANDATORY ... or preferably nonexistent
< 1301861317 645950 :Sadhu788543!~rooms@117.199.3.71 PART :#esoteric
< 1301861333 563474 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec should just be an implementation... in some horribly underspec'ed language
< 1301861349 511901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, python
< 1301861366 742956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoob's rng sucks. this befunge program will never end.
< 1301861368 609862 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. without giving a version number, too
< 1301861376 37385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it rely on python 1.5 quirks
< 1301861376 201977 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're watching anagram, huh
< 1301861379 405710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1301861387 300806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i modified hello to have some stupid directions and then a bunch of ?s
< 1301861388 566140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lines
< 1301861389 400194 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? that one takes forever for me
< 1301861390 451064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff
< 1301861394 927976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm waiting for it to go back to real code
< 1301861396 161220 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using Java's stock RNG, blame it
< 1301861397 768838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just dancing around the ?s
< 1301861399 414408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1301861405 469240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i want a higher max speed :-P
< 1301861416 435597 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, idea: allow you to specify a sequence to be used by the RNG...
< 1301861429 919831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts a @ in a lone square on the board, surrounded by ?s
< 1301861433 891336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD LUCK TERMINATING, PROGRAM
< 1301861633 60716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: post hitting @, buttons do not allow me to restart program. they act as if it's still running but stop is greyed out. weird.
< 1301861636 595656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can edit and press done to fix.
< 1301861640 739893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm just sleep-deprived
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< 1301861708 684351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this time it worked
< 1301861783 105425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: also you might want to reverse the stack display
< 1301861788 540199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you don't have to scroll when the stack gets big
< 1301861906 528345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, >_ is cool
< 1301861911 445098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it holds the @ until it eats up all the stack :)
< 1301861913 334660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gets to a 0
< 1301861920 439500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1301861921 287544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the @
< 1301861922 37768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ip
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< 1301861960 807677 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset should totally work after @... if it doesn't then, eh
< 1301861966 739615 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs bugs bugs
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< 1301862870 598974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i can't seem to copy output
< 1301862895 339725 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you can't
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< 1301863010 139512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, start does nothing, stop does nothing, both leave the program running :)
< 1301863018 620655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no
< 1301863021 668578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :run makes it go twice as fast
< 1301863023 422931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not shitting you
< 1301863031 315969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1301863032 837723 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably started two execution threads
< 1301863037 867158 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hit that once
< 1301863053 576712 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have no idea how it gets into the state where that's possible
< 1301863068 572609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, strong-typed languages, eh
< 1301863081 57449 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, threads, eh
< 1301863097 490269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no specifically i'm now referring to the fact that i can't edit befunge-93 without the applet blanking :D
< 1301863115 168425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries going through an example rather than the about screen
< 1301863130 885288 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... don't use the about screen, then
< 1301863144 770994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: then why does it enable the edit button!
< 1301863153 463447 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get what you pay for
< 1301863216 815085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: btw i think that in -93, ps and gs to x,y coords should be moduloed
< 1301863224 698900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that makes random programs do more fun things ;D
< 1301863268 105760 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have a headache :/
< 1301863269 949191 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :later
< 1301863271 409084 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1301863626 265417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric
< 1301863672 969363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : run makes it go twice as fast <-- that is so awesome
< 1301863689 791350 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts out in walking mode, until you press run
< 1301863722 626080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, probably started two execution threads <-- shouldn't that cause sync issues?
< 1301863765 659602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, :p
< 1301863777 437737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think i have a headache :/ <-- wait, did you try to implement ais523's Feather?
< 1301863810 115913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: DON'T INFECT HIM TOO!
< 1301863820 797893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Featherfeatherfeather
< 1301863849 563875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :P
< 1301863878 700625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you using caps like that feels so weird. Almost as much as if fizzie would...
< 1301864009 321585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress has both "sandy loam" and "loamy sand"... I'm not sure what the difference is as such.
< 1301864028 185732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems obvious to me.
< 1301864035 482906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh?
< 1301864046 36417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sandy loam is predominantly loam, loamy sand predominantly sand.
< 1301864058 663560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, both however work the same when it comes to in game mechanics
< 1301864100 889016 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OH NO, IS THIS WEIRD?
< 1301864129 299092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well it fails, since it is triggered by this specific instance
< 1301864136 20030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you doing it naturally
< 1301864141 951606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like elliott does
< 1301864284 940816 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301864322 683001 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2009-03-09 01:21:53 elliott: WATER MEMORY.
< 1301864333 52262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1301864349 285973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that was more than two years ago!
< 1301864355 127981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it proves my point
< 1301864358 837426 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-01-22 14:15:17 PURE MADNESSNESS
< 1301864359 259087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BUT THE WATER REMEMBERS
< 1301864360 855101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BULLDOZER WEASELS
< 1301864362 261031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you have grown as a person
< 1301864371 172316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah... okay
< 1301864380 601546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you don't do it very often though
< 1301864382 426892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you fabricated that quote. what pure madnessness.
< 1301864394 450867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: QUICK HOW MANY ALL-CAPS STATEMENTS HAVE I MADE
< 1301864406 440762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : I WOULD NEVER FABRICATE A QUOTE
< 1301864408 15612 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There are several instances of one or two full-uppercase things but very few that would have nothing else.
< 1301864421 736251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is the nothing else bit that counts
< 1301864426 128915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, a nick is allowed
< 1301864449 593915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote it is from 2002 though, I was younger then
< 1301864453 25025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :348) it is from 2002 though, I was younger then
< 1301864461 603659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 2002
< 1301864462 629176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864467 448729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote olsner
< 1301864467 738962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, when did he say that
< 1301864468 420616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :174) i think of languages as tools, there is no holy grail of languages even if there's no holy grail, that doesn't mean cups of crap is ok \ 221) DAMN YOU, I'm leaving olsner, FINALLY NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND WORLD DOMINATION! \ 237) elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are
< 1301864475 587237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2010-11-01
< 1301864481 874515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:44:47 `addquote it is from 2002 though, I was younger then
< 1301864483 758854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got added
< 1301864494 213778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" olsner, FINALLY NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND WORLD DOMINATION!" <-- wait what?
< 1301864504 231800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks
< 1301864505 517502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301864548 433866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklopol
< 1301864549 287854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :37) i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. \ 39) anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true should put that on my todo list \ 42) i'm my dad's unborn sister \ 55) GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? \ 67)
< 1301864560 544455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes oklopol
< 1301864561 601446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9627
< 1301864621 186742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :223) well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy and i own a piano and i'm not wearing socks
< 1301864621 386170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poetry
< 1301864631 366025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1301864675 726057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :110) oklopol geez what are you doing here ...i don't know :< i actually ate until now, although i guess i also did other things...
< 1301864677 59925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1301864683 399830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who was fax now again?
< 1301864691 129613 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that few quotes :o
< 1301864695 240885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon quantumEd MissPiggy j-invariant etc. etc. etc.
< 1301864700 258429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1301864700 757480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1301864701 246899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally
< 1301864704 831296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chance to use the best latin
< 1301864705 323402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there were many quotes of me
< 1301864705 928531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*et alia
< 1301864707 661530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1301864708 943711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there are
< 1301864710 588696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequote olsner
< 1301864711 607836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864712 972590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because yours are all the best
< 1301864715 63409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pastequotes
< 1301864715 633777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1301864718 300028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301864721 119626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so that was not all?
< 1301864721 294817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes olsner
< 1301864722 244827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10188
< 1301864732 9637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that was all. they were best.
< 1301864735 863728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "348) it is from 2002 though, I was younger then" is there
< 1301864738 919395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes ehird|elliott|alise
< 1301864740 19858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1469
< 1301864747 410364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooo
< 1301864750 491068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the master of the quotes
< 1301864754 423534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the issue is that `quote 2002 looks for *quote number 2002*
< 1301864754 686920 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's so few, i thought there'd be at least 10 more
< 1301864758 673448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: o rite :D
< 1301864760 548229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote (2002)
< 1301864761 472074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :348) it is from 2002 though, I was younger then
< 1301864770 658895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well keep saying funny things
< 1301864775 807161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, regex?
< 1301864778 272695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1301864780 599889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19) ehird has gone insane, clearly.
< 1301864781 268205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1301864781 432426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1301864783 148357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i missing something
< 1301864785 61085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the jok
< 1301864786 940351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1301864801 687215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1301864802 46699 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll have to get depressed another day
< 1301864802 752511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27220
< 1301864803 10936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah it doesn't seem funny at all. Just a matter of fact. :P
< 1301864806 951882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only want quotes actually directed at me)
< 1301864815 798855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone mind if i remove it, we have Standards
< 1301864818 246387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does depressed=funny?
< 1301864826 108208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301864830 2202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes <(ehird|elliott|alise)>
< 1301864831 1564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10749
< 1301864840 145967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i thought depressed = not funny, but then i realized oerjan is all about jokes
< 1301864846 541182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes <(ehird|elliott|alise)>
< 1301864847 320612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2939
< 1301864848 952017 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301864850 602871 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklopol
< 1301864851 39065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that he's all that funny
< 1301864851 515736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :37) i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. \ 39) anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true should put that on my todo list \ 42) i'm my dad's unborn sister \ 55) GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? \ 67)
< 1301864855 639582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this not working
< 1301864856 356213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY
< 1301864857 317301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYYY
< 1301864861 663168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes \<(ehird|elliott|alise)\>
< 1301864862 741692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13301
< 1301864866 455128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : not that he's all that funny <-- is he depressed?
< 1301864867 368285 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote lawl
< 1301864868 390205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :85) <@Lawlabee> Why does Monday start at 10PM on Sunday? \ 94) hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. \ 95) [Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( \ 112) Making a small shrine to Lawlabee
< 1301864872 621854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: protip pastequotes
< 1301864874 269889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHEN IT WORKS)
< 1301864876 13897 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:
< 1301864882 325960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote <(ehird|elliott|alise)>
< 1301864883 198925 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864886 37201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote <(ehird|elliott|alise).*>
< 1301864886 788999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes?
< 1301864887 38444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864887 834493 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1301864891 925871 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 112
< 1301864892 350501 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864892 717253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :112) Making a small shrine to Lawlabee in my basement is something I should get around to at some point.
< 1301864894 307394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ||
< 1301864895 260327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864897 527104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1301864900 534296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1301864901 498391 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864903 717892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1301864904 631614 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1301864904 796034 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864904 960353 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I say that?
< 1301864909 22527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote \
< 1301864909 935863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864917 450182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output. <-- you what
< 1301864919 440332 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should prolly go to work
< 1301864919 604332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote [<]elliott[>]
< 1301864920 523133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301864926 329934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oisdjosidjfoisjfsjfosijdfoisjdfiojdofjisf
< 1301864927 15685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oisjfosdjf
< 1301864927 488034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soijf
< 1301864927 956214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soifj
< 1301864930 767284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/quote
< 1301864931 164256 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1301864932 170139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1301864932 805498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/quote
< 1301864933 804273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1301864934 584792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1301864944 255792 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whuff whuff whuff wharrgarbl.
< 1301864946 681118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1301864949 883273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine \ quotes \ test \ test.c \ tmpdir.19865
< 1301864951 788014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run egrep -i "<(elliott|alise|ehird)>" quotes
< 1301864952 957528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : so i can only conclude that it is flawed, or the world is utterly bonkers \ IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! \ SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO):
< 1301864961 919531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | egrep -i "<(elliott|alise|ehird)>" | paste
< 1301864963 223743 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4003
< 1301864969 572615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada
< 1301864978 739881 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin
< 1301864979 892709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ allquotes \ botsnack \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ delquote \ esolang \ etymology \ fuck \ google \ imdb \ json \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ penis \ ping \ quine \ quote \ quotes \ rec \ roll \ runasperl \ runfor \ rungcc \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate
< 1301864986 325691 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`penis
< 1301864987 110136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a program. I don't /have/ genitals.
< 1301864987 427236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why didn't it work?
< 1301864991 878176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: god knows
< 1301864995 555154 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301864995 883947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's raining!
< 1301864998 396875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, should be debugged?
< 1301865004 155865 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is babies?
< 1301865029 406946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis
< 1301865030 388079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis what?
< 1301865034 266433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1301865036 352055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis babies
< 1301865037 210804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865041 132758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man ed! ed man
< 1301865042 152266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865042 316673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there, you know
< 1301865047 697336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: babies is little human
< 1301865048 365738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis love
< 1301865049 163847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865050 780098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`baby dont hurt me
< 1301865051 607424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865054 44627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dont hurt me
< 1301865054 884639 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865055 523353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nomore
< 1301865056 493645 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat babies
< 1301865056 657152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865056 657244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis whatis
< 1301865057 657087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865058 584773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865065 471925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type whatis
< 1301865066 356213 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865066 867278 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure `cat actually works.
< 1301865072 32402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type babies
< 1301865072 906314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865087 370848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type whatis
< 1301865087 943152 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you get a syntax error from if [ "$(($1+0))" = "$1" ] .
< 1301865088 209536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis is /usr/bin/whatis
< 1301865093 11969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run whatis whatis
< 1301865093 858276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865094 925702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1301865100 324101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why doesn't whatis work?
< 1301865119 283093 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it hates you.
< 1301865120 783881 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/quote '' 2>&1
< 1301865121 781312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/quote: line 3: +0: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "+0") \ /usr/bin/nl: write error: Broken pipe
< 1301865124 176567 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, like that.
< 1301865125 962041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no man pages installed?
< 1301865131 677187 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1301865134 539961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIX IT SMARTARSE :|
< 1301865140 339066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (thx for finally finding the elusive bug)
< 1301865151 505431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I propose "sed", it's how I wrote the thing after all. Well, that and echo.
< 1301865170 381740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps $(("$1"+0)) would suffice?
< 1301865182 559142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need the +0?
< 1301865217 182987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if it's a numbra
< 1301865224 435056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301865227 535807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(("nozzles >-4"+0)
< 1301865228 465051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865228 944664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(("nozzles >-4"+0))
< 1301865229 912956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865232 305467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(("nozzles >-4"+0)) 2>&1
< 1301865233 214191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865238 386845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash -c 'echo $(("nozzles >-4"+0))' 2>&1
< 1301865239 260037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/bash: "nozzles >-4"+0: syntax error: operand expected (error token is ""nozzles >-4"+0")
< 1301865254 354223 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know how it manages to work for most non-numbers.
< 1301865259 41454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/quote
< 1301865259 967795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/quote
< 1301865260 488898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It doesn't.
< 1301865289 800667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, use bash regex match
< 1301865317 481672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/if [ "$(($1+0))" = "$1" ]; then/if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then/' bin/quote
< 1301865318 400418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865327 982523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, didn't replace
< 1301865337 774094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/if \[ "$(($1+0))" = "$1" \]; then/if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then/' bin/quote
< 1301865338 737703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865352 610164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/if \[ "$\(\($1+0\)\)" = "$1" \]; then/if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then/' bin/quote
< 1301865353 303579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you fail at sed
< 1301865353 486314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865354 519879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESCAPE EVERYTHING
< 1301865356 875762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i had like an epileptic fit and tried to get help here, i bet you bastards would just let me die
< 1301865360 658349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yep
< 1301865361 875937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, $ needs to be escaped
< 1301865369 168901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you
< 1301865372 513564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it
< 1301865381 471773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm switch those
< 1301865384 643328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ if.*/ if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then/' bin/quote
< 1301865385 471737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865390 559685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1301865392 225327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that not work
< 1301865398 872897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1301865399 113202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dur
< 1301865406 793309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's! if.*! if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then!' bin/quote
< 1301865407 632081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865420 981397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301865421 622263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/quote '' 2>&1
< 1301865422 705310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :229) Vorpal loves the sodomy. elliott, sure why not \ 230) [...] ALWAYS OPEN TO TRYING NEW THINGS. \ 231) So it's not exactly trivial. [Later about same thing] It's a trivial C program :P \ 239) ONLY GOOD QUOTES PLEASE! AND NO FAKE ONES EITHER! \ 240) * pikhq sticks
< 1301865425 717881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY
< 1301865429 79334 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I love your HackEgo-editing style.
< 1301865431 41316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote trivial C
< 1301865431 825613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :231) So it's not exactly trivial. [Later about same thing] It's a trivial C program :P
< 1301865432 247723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I DO TOO
< 1301865444 695901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It makes me feel so manly, 'cuz you know what, I could do that on an actual teletypewriter.
< 1301865451 278986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with a live "cat" window :P
< 1301865463 63268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me feel so 70S.
< 1301865507 544762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's trivial, but not exactly trivial
< 1301865520 871564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's find out how profane we are!
< 1301865530 670819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes shit|fuck|crap|dammit|damn
< 1301865531 710926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8277
< 1301865538 880132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Worst list of top-of-head curses ever.)
< 1301865543 963420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could get a current going in a ring shaped super-conductor
< 1301865544 867055 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poopie
< 1301865546 880376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: not as profane as i thought
< 1301865549 4698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote poopie
< 1301865550 72229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865554 930319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RECTIFICATION REQUIRED
< 1301865559 998915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addq... no, i can't
< 1301865560 829226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301865564 352278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just be too low
< 1301865589 750289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :280) ooh I want to see ehird pole dancing I think that would be illegal. oh you are right damn :/
< 1301865589 983438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have no idea what that was about
< 1301865600 883861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nor do I
< 1301865602 490803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i think the best feature of my quote system is that whenever you delete a quote
< 1301865608 61682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every quote after it gets renumbered
< 1301865610 969515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wonderfully confusing!
< 1301865616 684208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is like the worst thing
< 1301865623 28250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing
< 1301865628 980458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most Unixy way to implement it ;DDD
< 1301865639 980128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lets agree on the middle ground
< 1301865644 336741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the most thing
< 1301865647 788040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep
< 1301865649 884153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they even have numbers?
< 1301865652 880612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thanks
< 1301865660 742272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm...because...err...fuck you
< 1301865666 996299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for seeing the whole thing in search results i think :D
< 1301865678 732007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as "why do they have even numbers"
< 1301865685 155859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was a philosophical question
< 1301865702 830291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it could've been philosophical as it is
< 1301865712 573533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why even do they numbers have?
< 1301865746 480081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wombats
< 1301865749 733106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wombats have countries!
< 1301865794 456063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quick, say something funny
< 1301865804 250720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :something funny hagrea:D
< 1301865809 596006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't sopt laughitn
< 1301865812 777755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I can't think of anything funny to say right now
< 1301865821 210980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll retroactively edit the above line to be funny when I get Feather working
< 1301865832 137428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm going to addquote that now
< 1301865840 877375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: soon you will learn not to say unfunny things!
< 1301865843 157283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my feather joke the other day was way better than that
< 1301865848 685240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: indeed, that isn't funny
< 1301865850 989909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301865851 845473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301865853 141484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes.
< 1301865854 22355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will be eventually!
< 1301865856 398315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another oklopol quote -- aiee!
< 1301865858 692965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301865859 850041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301865860 997863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes.
< 1301865863 497611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ENCODING SHIT
< 1301865864 728088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not very good :D
< 1301865868 36330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301865868 830810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301865870 36127 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes.
< 1301865870 760035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't even a joke man
< 1301865872 337730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FFFF
< 1301865874 154122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DEFAIL IT
< 1301865887 151849 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, what have you done here
< 1301865907 953463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oklopol uses latin-1, BUT
< 1301865911 269926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I retyped out the second try by hand
< 1301865914 447006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that was utf-8
< 1301865929 555143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301865930 687769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301865931 883044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes.
< 1301865933 713203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1301865937 197541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh b0rk3lde
< 1301865947 920012 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd, the repo seems to be fine >_>
< 1301865958 786101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that thing is getting funnier by the minute
< 1301865959 115935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "borkelde"?
< 1301865963 36414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't just override that quote because I hate oklopol <_<
< 1301865983 355541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I'm not just doing this out of my badly-concealed lust for him >_>
< 1301865987 804778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : <_< >_>
< 1301865993 200892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes.
< 1301866002 331302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't just override that quote because I hate oklopol <_< <-- whaaat?
< 1301866006 719788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: look at the kinda things gregor says in teh /msgss! ^^
< 1301866008 379212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made that up right?
< 1301866011 363799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NO
< 1301866014 865579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not the lust parts either
< 1301866016 73501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all true
< 1301866019 859839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, log link
< 1301866024 89802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said
< 1301866024 879320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg
< 1301866030 754731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1301866039 247776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i use a vt100 so i can't take a screenshot SORRY
< 1301866040 410529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't believe it, until confirmed from Gregor
< 1301866049 847509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he'd admit his true desires :(
< 1301866054 704342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all this time he's learned to bottle them away
< 1301866056 752111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuure
< 1301866057 390107 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't believe Gregor wants to have sex with me?
< 1301866063 126360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nope
< 1301866068 269122 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1301866070 463740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah doesn't every straight male want to have sex with oklopol
< 1301866071 393927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait
< 1301866075 89619 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo nicode! > test
< 1301866075 993079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301866076 157036 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-16.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1301866077 5245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes.
< 1301866081 675351 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq ...
< 1301866093 569255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bork bork bоrk >test
< 1301866094 736807 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301866095 641592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes.
< 1301866097 711743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...
< 1301866106 891453 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1301866107 94960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bork bork bork >test
< 1301866108 309040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301866115 255945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: JUST FUCKING WITH YOU, that was a Cyrillic o
< 1301866115 983205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaat
< 1301866118 792991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1301866122 1607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1301866123 487138 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Jackass :P
< 1301866126 574000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm test
< 1301866127 121665 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i do know a straight male who wants to have sex with me
< 1301866127 679096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301866130 695572 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, I know what the issue is.
< 1301866141 163695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he's just (hetero+oklo)sexual amirite
< 1301866192 989034 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo nicode! > test
< 1301866193 834415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301866196 465204 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat test
< 1301866197 412706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicode!
< 1301866198 647855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't asked in detail, because he's a random internet dude
< 1301866229 78930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm test
< 1301866229 907797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1301866234 481002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301866235 517665 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn
< 1301866257 230030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaat: 07:62/05:34
< 1301866262 529023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think vlc is broken
< 1301866281 676756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens a lot with inaccurate files
< 1301866283 254551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that second counter is counting up. At second rate.
< 1301866283 621746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :file formats
< 1301866285 743275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what file format is it?
< 1301866289 376881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, flac...
< 1301866292 876467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1301866298 113309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the file must be broken
< 1301866300 840753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think flac _does_ include such precise information, but it can get messed up
< 1301866301 508364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1301866304 131839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flac -d and reencode
< 1301866312 220448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but 07:62
< 1301866317 10740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the 62 bit
< 1301866319 215729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1301866319 478895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on
< 1301866320 151917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :D
< 1301866325 308591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well vlc sucks and stuff :)
< 1301866342 910733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah re-encoding atm
< 1301866364 598599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mplayer is rather annoying. And totem doesn't play a lot of stuff
< 1301866364 762974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally arch seem to have made their first good decision lately :)
< 1301866370 345336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xine is hideous
< 1301866371 690718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to not consider switching to the libav fork
< 1301866381 612331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what libav fork?
< 1301866388 149360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :background for those who haven't been following: a group of ffmpeg devs were unhappy with the maintainer
< 1301866394 360143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they literally tried to perform a coup d'etat
< 1301866401 132872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they changed the repo url, the project leaders, etc. on the website
< 1301866403 994585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from underneath the maintainer
< 1301866407 905052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1301866408 930066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this understandably cause a lot of upset
< 1301866417 218205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the maintainer do?
< 1301866419 982513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after about two months of the hostility of two factions sharing the same list
< 1301866429 900208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the coup d'etatters (THAT'S A WORD) decided to "rename" ffmpeg
< 1301866431 549174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to libav
< 1301866439 587023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they posted a name saying our "new release" is under the "new name" libav
< 1301866444 549719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then -- and this is where it gets insane --
< 1301866450 116739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say the mailing list is being "renamed and moved"
< 1301866454 66198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it is already insane
< 1301866454 409667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the ffmpeg list will be "shut down shortly"
< 1301866458 620316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will be automatically subscribed to the libav list
< 1301866464 516502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ffmpeg list was STILL BEING USED by the original maintainers
< 1301866464 863487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... that's silly
< 1301866466 879683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and developers
< 1301866472 764020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: more than silly, it's childish and bullshit
< 1301866476 888701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1301866477 929851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gentoo dev was one of the forkers, FWIW
< 1301866490 522982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I NO LONGER USE GENTOO!
< 1301866491 179730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, fabrice bellard controls the DNS and so handed it back to the original maintainer
< 1301866494 387279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1301866502 764639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that name is familiar
< 1301866508 404750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, qemu and ffmpeg founder
< 1301866511 171784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tcc author
< 1301866513 76703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1301866513 968370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and god
< 1301866521 79897 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, same guy?
< 1301866531 14053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the original maintainer caused some problems but at most that justifies a fork, not a failed hostile takeover followed by trying to systematically shut down the original project's resources
< 1301866531 979006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes
< 1301866540 96122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes he is one of those awesome guys. Like djb
< 1301866541 108648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: also discoverer of bellard's formula for pi
< 1301866552 972182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jwz
< 1301866555 473768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wp says 43% faster than BBP)
< 1301866559 324675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lucky guy, discovering something that had his name on it!
< 1301866564 365866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also multiple time IOCCC winner
< 1301866568 821309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D
< 1301866619 971669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway yeah, there was a thread on the arch forums (i idly browse every now and then out of morbid curiosity) and one of the devs basically said "i don't like forks so we're not going to consider it" :P
< 1301866632 898228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, i eagerly look forward to arch replacing xorg with xfree86
< 1301866640 337161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, har har
< 1301866649 865089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLEEDING EDGE
< 1301866652 367060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was the original dispute about?
< 1301866660 601326 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay bye ->
< 1301866664 58013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the maintainer being a pain about applying patches basically
< 1301866668 469250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :single point of control, etc.
< 1301866672 150613 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1301866680 696676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah... Could be time to fork yes, but in a less childish way
< 1301866683 650915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't find it very relevant; i can't really sympathise with them considering the childishness
< 1301866696 960876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: afaict they didn't even bother trying to have a serious discussion about it first
< 1301866697 650849 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301866703 897425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *whops*
< 1301866735 963916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1301866778 977284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: seriously though, as a GENTOO USER (;D;D;D), why did they drop support for static linking>
< 1301866780 407918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*linking?
< 1301866789 980996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could tell gentoo to statically link everything with musl i might even use it :-D
< 1301866796 944046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, musl?
< 1301866802 116941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I have no idea
< 1301866805 380683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.etalabs.net/musl/
< 1301866812 856358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides wasn't it just a few packages that supported it?
< 1301866826 460437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think you used to be able to build a whole static system?
< 1301866839 245840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway gentoo doesn't really have any merits if you can't control every variable of the system :)
< 1301866851 82055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with some CFLAGS hacking probably
< 1301866861 807165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(considering that "this optimisation flag" vs. "this other optimisation flag" doesn't even count as a variable due to being irrelevant)
< 1301866865 462048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there were some static use-flags before I know
< 1301866874 814661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(every (32-bit x86) debian package runs on a 386!)
< 1301866887 695348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't see people going around claiming debian is slow :))
< 1301866893 238133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe they do and i just haven't run into them
< 1301866899 763769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, libc comes in multiple variants though
< 1301866903 937639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't those people all use gentoo?
< 1301866920 495439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uh? not ereally
< 1301866928 294808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just libc6-i386 here, oh wait this is the 64-bit repo
< 1301866929 29344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1301866934 110991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, cmov one
< 1301866935 16287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel comes in multiple flavours too
< 1301866937 365524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-cmov
< 1301866937 528530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :386...
< 1301866938 910851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 486
< 1301866939 318619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1301866950 246238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yeah that's debian...
< 1301866952 919097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there might be a 686 too
< 1301866954 550638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think there is
< 1301866960 357667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1301866961 762601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :686
< 1301866963 197961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :386, 486, 686
< 1301866969 326773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and some stuff do CPU detection. Like mplayer
< 1301866985 663338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, point is that cpu generation only matters in a handful of places
< 1301866993 422593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "autoconf standard" is -O2 -g right?
< 1301866998 352775 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1301867000 343569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no idea
< 1301867014 199137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 90% of debian is -O2 -g -march=i386 then :)
< 1301867028 318669 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite probably.
< 1301867029 302922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *probably* also -mtune=generic these days
< 1301867034 363462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right
< 1301867043 891698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which helps to some degree
< 1301867053 468919 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I thought they made a dangerous decision to go all the way to i486 at some point :P
< 1301867054 213950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo -Os -march=i386 -mtune=generic would be a better choice nowadays
< 1301867069 517523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't -march and -mtune contradict?
< 1301867069 974717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nobody uses the debugging info, and the space savings from not having it + the savings from -Os = cache loves you)
< 1301867072 498291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably -march=i686 actually
< 1301867081 582528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i meant, without breaking compatibility
< 1301867083 443533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: GASP
< 1301867087 764974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the debugging info is split out into separate debugging packages
< 1301867088 494212 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not all -march options conflict with all -mtune options.
< 1301867089 602838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, -mtune implies "portable to all processors in the group"
< 1301867092 168409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't -march and -mtune contradict? <-- no
< 1301867093 857945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmm, interesting
< 1301867096 76065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well it's still advertised as i386 and you can still install a 386 kernel
< 1301867101 64221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1301867101 396414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i doubt they made that GIGANTIC LEAP
< 1301867104 994140 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, cancel that then.
< 1301867123 432803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, debugging info for libc = invaluable
< 1301867130 379362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok for libraries yes :-D
< 1301867140 402017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from like... emacs
< 1301867141 204087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like having debug info around
< 1301867145 27744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody runs system binaries under gdb
< 1301867145 367467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, IWC has finally confused the hell out of me.
< 1301867154 203918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm
< 1301867155 643141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd hate to run emacs under gdb
< 1301867160 204544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have literally no idea what the overriding plot threads have been since... forever.
< 1301867162 115611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: some people do it 100% of the time
< 1301867167 275770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is debugging info stored inline with code, or is it separated?
< 1301867173 392513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the latter, then I guess it won't affect the cache
< 1301867173 998978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, separated
< 1301867180 787187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then -Os -g would be the best choice, I guess
< 1301867184 504935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, separate files even these days
< 1301867187 391551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you above
< 1301867194 79928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that might be the best idea, have -dbg packages
< 1301867194 243374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu does it that way at least
< 1301867196 672783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleeop
< 1301867197 604207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that install into /usr/dbg
< 1301867199 253498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1301867199 440739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sleep
< 1301867201 270258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1301867216 119982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, paths look like /usr/lib/debug/bin/bash iirc
< 1301867221 934762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover (~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486) has joined #esoteric
< 1301867223 370853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINUTES LATER
< 1301867224 82153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover has quit (Client Quit)
< 1301867238 970596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right, well, that's what you get for refusing to extend the fhs
< 1301867251 966808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D
< 1301867279 828383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF WE MAKE /USR/DBG HOW WILL THE ENTERPRISES EVER TRUST THE UBUNTUS AS THE STANDARDS COMPLIANCES
< 1301867359 193698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what IS it with airline food^W^Wtiling wms
< 1301867399 647768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :airline food's been pretty good IME
< 1301867412 49275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly I've only been on four flights, and get very annoyed at having to use plane travel
< 1301867430 699677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in no case did I pay for the flight myself, if I'd had to do that I'd have refused outright
< 1301867446 854447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Gregor give up on libc.so?
< 1301867459 741063 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to speak of it in this channel.
< 1301867468 968673 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, attempt to refuse anyway.
< 1301867476 603679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1301867480 853549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :great way to fail not speaking of it :D
< 1301867519 8545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Gregor
< 1301867521 707774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so
< 1301867521 922807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did you win libm.so?
< 1301867522 414145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so
< 1301867523 589324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so
< 1301867529 824320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i didn't say anything about airline food!
< 1301867532 310451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked about tiling wms
< 1301867541 479498 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to speak of the DETAILS OF THE AUCTION, not the domain itself X_X
< 1301867547 581530 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Didn't even try.
< 1301867552 153784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh
< 1301867553 782732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it $800
< 1301867555 406897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it $900
< 1301867557 240635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it $1000
< 1301867561 258476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Binary search setup phase)
< 1301867578 741449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RIP Yhc!)
< 1301867583 611494 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a numeric, integer value greater than 0.
< 1301867594 965538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$7000 then.
< 1301867599 388874 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Numeric" is redundant here, and "integer greater than 0" could be replaced by "whole number" :P
< 1301867801 397430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, musl looks great
< 1301867854 274186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is
< 1301867866 333323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only C.UTF-8 locale support now, but that's being worked on
< 1301867888 811579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing C99 math functions and POSIX priority scheduling options. Damn
< 1301867890 396586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1301867913 148079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, why would anyone need anything else than C.UTF-8 locale
< 1301867927 547602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: C99 math is being worked on :P
< 1301867943 379293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Surprisingly enough some things actually use it X-D
< 1301867949 809945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the locale stuff is a show stopper
< 1301867950 819256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. an mpfr testcase I think refused to compile becuase of the lack of...
< 1301867952 714572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :roundbyint or something.
< 1301867957 216010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't want silly C locale date
< 1301867977 446546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No it's not a show-stopper.
< 1301867981 453306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an incredibly minor thing that is being added.
< 1301867981 780130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for me it is
< 1301867997 434961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, 3 April 2011 3 April 2011 3 April 2011.
< 1301868019 552782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ date
< 1301868019 716106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sön apr 3 23:59:41 CEST 2011
< 1301868033 673539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Because seeing "3 April 2011" instead of "sön apr 3" affects your entire computing experience.
< 1301868042 526235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is very weird order too I think
< 1301868044 635641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in date outout
< 1301868046 985468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :output*
< 1301868060 49127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, which is why that locale sucks :
< 1301868060 805851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1301868065 907487 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAY OF WEEK IS IRRELEVANT. LITTLE ENDIAN IS IRRELEVANT. SUBMIT TO THE ISO.
< 1301868085 804177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tLC_ADDRESS="sv_SE.UTF-8"
< 1301868086 13069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_TELEPHONE="sv_SE.UTF-8"
< 1301868086 13252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_MEASUREMENT="sv_SE.UTF-8"
< 1301868091 316055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where those are actually used
< 1301868101 786517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_PAPER="sv_SE.UTF-8"
< 1301868103 204747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too
< 1301868109 419543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that selects A4?
< 1301868121 635722 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Sweden they use Q12 instead of A4.
< 1301868128 264785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Q12?
< 1301868130 499202 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's measured in fractions of furlongs.
< 1301868138 964333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, per fortnight!
< 1301868142 385445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also anyone who sets LC_foo to get /error messages/ and the like in non-English is clearly in need of institutionalisation more than locale support
< 1301868145 12513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the speed of the papoer
< 1301868146 723401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper*
< 1301868150 476004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what matters
< 1301868154 42932 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The width is conventionally given in terms of oxtails, but standardized as fractions of furlongs.
< 1301868177 574173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do this:
< 1301868183 544176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8
< 1301868186 2939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_COLLATE=C
< 1301868188 966165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_MESSAGES=C
< 1301868191 189410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1301868199 424709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: =C?
< 1301868203 290301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes?
< 1301868207 99617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :=en_GB.UTF8 or something would provide more reasonable output
< 1301868216 96015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for collation
< 1301868222 550970 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: =C guarantees that the bug reports are in the same language that the author wrote it in.
< 1301868223 947430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wish C.UTF8 worked with glibc
< 1301868238 203987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do not want messed up sorting
< 1301868240 137675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "I'm sorry, you said -ise instead of -ize, WONTFIX"
< 1301868243 52316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I want CASE SENSITIVE sort
< 1301868248 534713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Define messed up...
< 1301868251 272733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCIIbetal isn't logical :P
< 1301868259 975982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I prefer that one!
< 1301868268 965125 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: More like "I am not having good with English, can please error messages with original Portuguese thanks."
< 1301868299 58945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I would go insane at a program doing that!
< 1301868299 775514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's a great argument NOT to use =C, I don't fucking know Portuguese :P
< 1301868317 131081 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, I wouldn't WONTFIX a bug for -ise instead of -ize, but I would for zed instead of zee :P
< 1301868335 24463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really though, a FOSS project with a lead developer not competent in English is also known as a trainwreck :P
< 1301868346 706030 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1301868354 120296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah cultural imperialism, I don't give a shit, the Bible was right, language divisions are a curse.
< 1301868360 366351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the Bible right.
< 1301868363 637813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: pls to change "prized" to "prizee"?
< 1301868369 782077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prizee :D
< 1301868372 698129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best word
< 1301868389 718995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to "prised", ofc
< 1301868411 285990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prizee my spellings from my cold dead hands
< 1301868454 469099 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DONE
< 1301868689 631281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you realise valgrind won't work on statically linked code?
< 1301868701 217153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :onoezes!!!111
< 1301868703 568252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least I don't think it will
< 1301868710 626794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I plan to dynlink with musl for kitten
< 1301868712 770082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it won't
< 1301868717 710254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you do?
< 1301868722 215145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's working on a dynamic loader that's embedded in the libc itself
< 1301868724 784217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not separate
< 1301868727 368354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's 0 overhead
< 1301868735 633209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll dynlink libc only
< 1301868738 674871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301868758 853898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not work on @ instead?
< 1301868767 665167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said i was working on kitten
< 1301868782 934045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not right now...
< 1301868801 832949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can hardly work on @ if i don't have a nice tiling wm can i
< 1301868809 816881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure you can
< 1301868814 215796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i can't
< 1301868819 232625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay so write one then
< 1301868831 996209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said i shouldn't work on kitten
< 1301868842 41043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh but run it on ubuntu :P
< 1301868850 601330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm going to try out i3 soon. maybe
< 1301868960 789350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →
< 1301869398 306705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bits would you need if you were doing fourier transforms with fixed point?
< 1301869525 362744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how accurate you'd want the answer to be
< 1301869610 432910 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be accurate enough that if you do forward and then reverse on a picture, you should get the same picture, or one very close to the same.
< 1301869660 669610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: same as the number of bits as the picture, then
< 1301869683 629627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if the picture uses 8-bit color, you need 8-bit transforms
< 1301869741 711124 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that be enough? If you are doing real/imaginary instead of amplitude/phase, I mean.
< 1301869779 342451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use a different algorithm, I think
< 1301869793 211373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look up about algorithsm for doing discrete cosine transforms
< 1301869798 623389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the fixed-point version of the fft
< 1301869854 324917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I have found the code for two-dimensional FFT, it uses floating point anthough square root is the only special function used, the others are only multiplication and division.
< 1301869873 295368 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that fixed-point FFT needs some care in scaling the numbers during the processing, to avoid large inaccuracies.
< 1301870017 309512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :METAFONT has careful division to ensure not overflow in a 32-bit fixed point, TeXnicard uses the same algorithm but for 64-bit numbers instead.
< 1301870043 380828 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the FFT I found, the square root is only used for the sa = sqrt((1.0 - ca) / 2.0);
< 1301870044 468594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if anyone's done jpeg en/decoding on architectures without floating point, they'll have solved this problem
< 1301870048 991188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ca = sqrt((1.0 + ca) / 2.0);
< 1301870076 536266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or DCT anyway, not necessarily FFT
< 1301870152 647269 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the value of sa and ca are initialized ca=-1.0 and sa=0.0 with nothing else ever changing ca
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< 1301870441 670543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a graph of it
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< 1301871539 126898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to add image manipulation into TeXnicard, how many (monochrome) bitmap registers and how many graymap registers should I have?
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< 1301873757 197707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the earliest i've ever seen elliott leave
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< 1301873878 219767 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: But he ping-timeout'd, not quit.
< 1301873931 694306 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's a problem with his connection
< 1301873955 457582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet he just unplugged his computer because he was fed up with us
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< 1301876920 989385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, :(:(
< 1301877394 259011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel guilty for not donating now
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< 1301878427 289600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's 'patamagic. And also 'pataprogramming.
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< 1301878721 731163 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay! I did not receive NickServ and ChanServ notices immediately, it took a few seconds after I joined, and then those notices are on.
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< 1301880484 61393 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added all of the spell/feats in gopher too, now it is not limited to HTTP only.
< 1301880493 750874 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can still access on HTTP as well)
< 1301880675 634829 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :hypnotoad
< 1301880683 451347 :hypnotoad!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1301880731 508989 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this spell?
< 1301880902 694214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
< 1301881099 573026 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you sure?
< 1301881750 78964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to cast the spell called "Break Into Debugger" (Sor/Wiz 9)
< 1301881759 58161 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, looks like I'll be taking dlsym@libdl.so as second prize :P
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< 1301881858 330109 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you lose libc.so so you put libdl.so instead? Or, is something else?
< 1301881869 208958 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already had libdl.so
< 1301881878 818605 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, I will not be getting libc.
< 1301881902 342814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1301881921 94448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who got libc
< 1301881923 308126 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now are you going to sue everyone on this channel because you did not get libc?
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< 1301883685 354608 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why is this not working
< 1301883758 279143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah `quote is buggy with actual regexes. i've known for a while but i have nowhere near enough understanding of shell escaping to fix it.
< 1301883788 85357 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume the passing through shell breaks it.)
< 1301883828 956186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i vaguely recall, it may be that test for a number which did something screwy
< 1301883860 820775 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :delving into even more obscure shell details.
< 1301883974 887888 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, i should learn to read the rest of log before commenting.
< 1301883993 254391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT NEWS)
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< 1301884475 79355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: "borkelde"?
< 1301884484 535626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient norse goddess of mayhem
< 1301884536 509616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just received IM Spam
< 1301884545 287891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used the praise.hm URL shortener...
< 1301885501 43046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now are you going to sue everyone on this channel because you did not get libc?
< 1301885519 39681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no use suing people who are too poor to contribute, is there.
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< 1301885550 309841 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute.
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< 1301887110 74335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: halp
< 1301887122 190859 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1301887158 370732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i break the select method form all input objects in the DOM on all webpages via greasemonkey?
< 1301887177 984612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMTLInputElement.prototype.select = empty function doesn't work
< 1301887186 604935 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think because it gets run after the page is loaded maybe?
< 1301887215 300486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need to loop over dom and break them all individually?
< 1301887251 813539 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're only trying to break it from JS' perspective, right?
< 1301887257 95326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes
< 1301887286 670933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want a page to be able to do auto-highlighting on mouseovers and such
< 1301887300 70150 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle that should work. But it could just be unconfigurable. Have you checked if HTMLInputElement.prototype.select actually changed?
< 1301887338 957592 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no...interwebs tell me that works though
< 1301887343 655979 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually
< 1301887375 214513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an about: page for the dom inspector?
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< 1301887476 137341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm found an add-on
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< 1301888182 744101 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOM inspector does not let me see the contents of "prototype"
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< 1301912993 451719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode seems somewhat unstable today
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< 1301913265 683497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they're still patching.
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< 1301913291 76258 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Re "[Global Notice] Hi folks! As you'll have noticed, we've been having some connectivity problems tonight. We're working on patching things together just now." about seven hours ago.)
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< 1301913322 810609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1301913326 62072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed that one
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< 1301918126 870020 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys
< 1301918133 415603 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any markov bot plugins for xchat?
< 1301918214 5088 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's another channel where people speak german and they keep on accusing me of being a markov bot
< 1301918224 656951 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought i should actually set up a markov bot that could chat for me every now and then
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< 1301931146 847098 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 128k+32k+16k+2x1k+256+/32+2x/48 to Australia, 64k to China, 512 to Indonesia, /32 to India, /48 to Norfolk Island, /48 to New Zealand, /32 to Singapore, 64k to Thailand.
< 1301931252 879374 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least APNIC is now under 12Mi addresses. :-)
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< 1301931446 518164 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did you project APNIC depletion? Mid-April?
< 1301931500 187322 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :614.5k addresses in a day.
< 1301931505 822704 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll compute new projection...
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< 1301931679 719526 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Thursday 14th April this time.
< 1301931736 605048 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that date is next week!)
< 1301931793 377340 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout for North America?
< 1301931800 234654 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is "the Americas" the region? I forget)
< 1301932137 17950 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.64 blocks (58Mi) or so seemingly.
< 1301932188 380962 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Free, don't know about the allocation rate, it is much much lower than APNIC rate).
< 1301932305 819449 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we could cruise at least through 2012.
< 1301932328 107337 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, in the last 30 days lists, the only allocation bigger than 256k not from APNIC is one 1M allocation from AfriNIC.
< 1301932423 640544 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps when APNIC runs out the run will spread to other regions...
< 1301932474 192110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they have rules to prevent asian companies from allocating IPs from elsewhere
< 1301932614 473332 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the worry.
< 1301932686 337321 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The demand might spread to ARIN and RIPE NCC, quickly depleting those. Then after those have been sucked dry, LACNIC and AfriNIC.
< 1301932778 829273 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 block of demand (combined) per month would suck ARIN and RIPE NCC out completely in about 6.5 months.
< 1301932928 320719 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... The default option in Lagerholm's tool previously was "RIR shopping allowed", now that option is no longer the default.
< 1301933053 191848 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Asian operators don't shift demand to other regions and if ARIN and RIPE don't suffer similar run-on-the-bank scenarios as APNIC (both fairly dubious assumptions), RIPE would run out late next year (even RIPE itself isn't that optimistic!) and ARIN in early year after that.
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< 1301933145 971030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:37:58: quintopia: But he ping-timeout'd, not quit.
< 1301933146 524205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:38:51: i don't think it's a problem with his connection
< 1301933146 524419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:39:15: i bet he just unplugged his computer because he was fed up with us
< 1301933146 524524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client can do that sometimes
< 1301933148 903991 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full demand shifting would cause everything to run out early next year.
< 1301933171 998715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:28:40: