00:00:16 hope about i just do both 00:00:33 s/hope/how/g 00:00:57 I probably just introduced several typos in previous posts though. 00:01:11 "posts" 00:01:12 OK but you must kill yourself after Homestuck ends. 00:01:23 implying we'll even be alive by then 00:01:33 Which is basically the only logical course of action because life will be as unto a pale shadow after Homestuck ends. 00:01:42 CakeProphet: Have I mentioned that Homestuck gets about ten times better after the first act or two. 00:01:52 no, but I assumed so. 00:02:03 (It gets about a hundred times better every few hundred pages from thereon out.) 00:02:42 elliott: hey elliott! elliott! check out this thing I want you to hear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pr6AbJ9Ij0 00:02:54 you have to hear it, or your life is incomplete. 00:03:10 *exlucsive-or 00:03:19 #c 00:03:24 *+ 00:03:24 Sorry I can only consume Homestuck all other forms of media are invalid by default. 00:03:27 (Note: This is not technically true.) 00:04:17 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:04:51 what, why is there an MS paint adventures wiki 00:05:11 CakeProphet: You don't want to read that. 00:05:17 CakeProphet: You have no idea how many spoilers are ahead of you. 00:05:41 Homestuck is... about five thousand times more complicated and plotful than Problem Sleuth. 00:05:44 are they really spoilers as long as they're ahead of you? 00:05:57 CakeProphet, also don't look at any Homestuck stuff on Youtube. 00:06:04 Sgeo learned this the hard way. 00:06:10 Phantom_Hoover: RIP Bic 00:06:12 The best pen. 00:06:28 He died the way he lived. 00:06:31 Inky. 00:06:34 Frustrating people. 00:06:46 * Phantom_Hoover → sleep 00:06:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:07:55 Sometimes you feel like you are trapped in this room. Stuck, if you will, in a sense which possibly borders on the titular. 00:08:10 20:13:26: gah, I'm getting a burst of Sgeoism from my parents, who have basically banned the family from eating vegetables because of the E. coli outbreak in Germany 00:08:19 ais523: have you taken the non-Sgeo solution to this problem 00:08:25 which is to ignore them? 00:08:32 that's one part of it :P 00:08:40 I'm thinking about it 00:09:08 at least it's a "relatively" minor temporary thing 00:12:10 20:25:24: floating point arithmetic's avoided like the plague in computer games, except in graphics routines, generally speaking 00:12:15 ais523: "embedded" games, maybe 00:12:24 I doubt C++ desktop games are so rabid 00:12:27 I thought in games in general 00:12:29 even desktop games 00:12:32 Well, I dunno 00:12:47 many 8-bit consoles completely lack an FPU 00:12:58 20:36:37: Wow. Fedora 16 is going to have btrfs as its default filesystem. 00:12:59 20:36:53: It doesn't have an fsck yet. 00:13:11 Fedora, upgrading rashly without thinking to be OMG MODERN because it's basically RedHat: The Pre-Alpha? 00:13:12 SHOCKING 00:13:31 dude, Ubuntu's new interface is so bad 00:13:32 don't ever use it. 00:13:42 obviously btrfs doesn't need fsck, it just won't break the file system 00:13:46 it wants to be Apple so hard. 00:16:44 elliott: Well, at least the Fedora devs are busy writing btrfsck. 00:17:02 that reads as ... butterfuck 00:17:18 They are also fucking butter. 00:17:54 MOTHS: THE WOGS OF THE TAPS 00:17:57 YEAH 00:18:05 wogs of the taps? 00:18:12 moths? 00:18:13 wat? 00:18:29 YES 00:18:30 FUCK YOU 00:18:49 ålrajt 00:18:57 shtut up swede bot 00:19:10 swede architecture the worst architecture 00:19:33 elliott person the worst person 00:19:40 olsner: DIE ASS 00:20:03 ASS DYE 00:20:10 TARSKI REBEL 00:20:22 sometimes 00:20:24 i say the best things 00:20:27 such as 00:20:28 always 00:20:38 elliott: http://cdn.jimonlight.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/infart1.jpg 00:20:50 infart rum 00:20:53 the best rum 00:24:55 lol, oracle saying: "In line with our strategy towards a more open Java ecosystem, ..." 00:25:14 when did they stop actively preventing an open java ecosystem? 00:25:23 that instant 00:25:27 then they started again immediately after 00:26:36 well towards is a synonym of against, right? 00:27:26 hmm, in swedish it would be a simple typo actually 00:27:39 and most people don't even know which is which :( 00:29:48 CakeProphet: btw you should watch this: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003701 ... it'll convince you reading homestuck is an excellent idea :P 00:29:54 (You won't understand a single thing, so it's not spoilery.) 00:33:56 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:35:11 -!- ais523 has joined. 00:38:02 Sgeo: Hey Homestuck just updated again. 00:38:07 Yes again. 00:38:50 apparently train tracks are turing complete 00:42:50 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Chalcraft-Greene_train_track_automaton 00:43:25 is this about http://wadler.blogspot.com/2011/06/combinator-library-for-design-of.html ? 00:43:44 apparently not - the wiki page is a lot older than the blog post 00:43:50 i think he means augur 00:43:54 i mean augur's mention 00:44:03 oerjan: yes 00:44:18 first comment 00:45:15 elliott: the queue fetch modus is even more hilarious. 00:45:38 CakeProphet: DID YOU WATCH THAT PANEL I LINKED I SPENT A WHOLE THREE SECONDS GOOGLING IT DOWN YOU KNOW 00:45:40 HARD WORK I TELL YOU 00:45:54 NOPE I AM READING SHIT IN ORDER DOG 00:45:59 part of your life was wasted. 00:46:06 RIP that part of my life. 00:46:08 Died of being wasted. 00:46:43 If you decide to give up reading watch it, it has deluded many upon many a person into thinking reading nearly four thousand panels of comic is an excellent idea. 00:46:53 (Sorry did I say deluded I mean convinced of the true fact that.) 00:47:31 Hold onn 00:47:45 I am holding onn. 00:47:47 CakeProphet is holding unn. 00:47:51 You will have to handle enn. 00:50:01 According to my dad, the entire purpose of raves is to get people into the drug culture 00:50:08 True 00:50:12 enn så lenge 00:50:18 That is the terrible secret of raves 00:50:46 Actually I've gone to a rave and consumed no drugs. 00:50:54 Impossible 00:50:56 and am even "into the drug culture" 00:50:58 TAKE THAT. 00:51:14 dad. 00:51:16 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:51:32 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:51:57 but yes most people go to raves to take some kind of drug and dance for hours. 00:52:06 CakeProphet: Oh man 2037 is right ahead of you. 00:52:06 but not everyone. 00:52:16 Savour the moment for you can only experience that music for the first time once in your life. 00:52:27 elliott: I'm on 2053 now 00:52:32 I hope you savoured it 00:52:53 yes it was quite savoury. 00:53:12 god, these pesterlogs make panels MOVE SO SLOWL. 00:53:13 Y 00:53:31 Hahaha the pesterlogs at this point are about one thirtieth of what they become, lengthwise. 00:53:38 Note: I am terrible at estimating such ratios, but yeah. 00:53:51 THIS IS A SIMPLE TIME AND YOU SHALL REGARD IT AS A SIMPLE PLEASURE FOR UNASSUMING FOLK 00:54:29 I like to use trees. It's not not exceptionally practical. But I think they are elegant. 00:54:46 >not not 00:55:00 Wait did it take you several minutes just to read 2053. 00:55:02 HAVE YOU READ BOOKS BEFORE 00:55:16 no it took me several minutes to talk on IRC and do nothing. 00:55:22 I waste a lot of time that way. 00:55:22 That usually takes a while yes. 00:59:25 -!- Hammi13 has joined. 00:59:32 Hammi13: what did you do to the other hammis. 00:59:40 Hiii 01:00:43 Hey Hammi13 01:04:17 -!- Patashu has joined. 01:04:35 -!- Hammi13 has left. 01:04:40 lmao 01:04:42 :D 01:04:45 i lemonparty'd 01:11:26 -!- zzo38 has joined. 01:11:37 How much do you know of LLVM? 01:11:55 Some of the documentation seems to be incomplete, such as the documentation for the bitcode format. 01:12:26 ask coppro 01:12:29 comex: you're welcome 01:13:08 coppro has 46575 seconds idle. 01:13:21 hes just shy 01:13:46 about half a day, maybe he'll be back from sleep/work/school soon then 01:17:49 Do you know how well LLVM currently works? 01:18:10 what a vague questoin 01:18:19 currently? I'd say about 4, geographically speaking 01:18:19 But regardless, lack of documentation makes it difficult to use 01:18:27 OS X uses the clang compiler for all stock userspace applications, so it's definitely mature 01:18:56 it has better diagnostics than gcc, supports almost all the language extensions gcc does, and has similar runtime code execution speed 01:19:07 so LLVM is good enough for a C compiler :P 01:19:37 but pikhq might yell at you or something. 01:19:39 zzo38: i know that ghc has deprecated its C backend because the LLVM backend got better than it 01:19:44 CakeProphet: eh? 01:19:47 CakeProphet: No, clang > gcc. 01:20:08 You mentioned something about bootloading before. 01:20:12 (C ~ gcc, there) 01:20:25 Boot*strapping*. There is a difference. 01:20:27 No, I mean for writing LLVM codes. However, some documentation missing makes it difficult. Such as, some sections of the document about bitcode format seems incomplete. 01:20:33 define LLVM codes 01:20:48 you're not meant to write bitcode, anyway 01:20:52 you're meant to use the API 01:20:53 lol bitcode 01:20:56 or at least write LLVM IR 01:20:58 It is *presently* not feasible to build a Linux system with clang as *the* C and C++ compiler. 01:21:01 (LLVM IR is the name for their assembly, right?) 01:21:06 0 = print 0 1 = launch missiles 01:21:09 (pikhq?) 01:21:11 However, it soon will be. 01:21:32 elliott: Yeah, LLVM IR is the name for the assembly language and the bytecode resulting from assembly thereof. 01:22:01 zzo38: right, use the API or output LLVM IR; bitcode is essentially an internal API 01:23:32 (!!) [0, unsafePerformIO launchMissiles] 01:23:44 er wait 01:23:49 * flip (!!) [0, unsafePerformIO launchMissiles] 01:24:01 er 01:24:01 ([0, unsafePerformIO launchMissiles] !!) 01:24:17 elliott: that doesn't type, does it? 01:24:24 types as well as oerjan's 01:24:25 or is launchMissiles of type Num x => IO x? 01:24:26 ERROR, BRAIN DUMPED 01:24:54 picky, picky 01:25:10 [0, unsafePerformIO launchMissiles `seq` 0] 01:25:18 clearly it returns the number of missiles succesfully launched 01:25:22 If you use the API with C, then can it also be used to run some LLVM codes at compile-time as well? In that case it would be helpful. 01:25:22 *+s 01:25:27 oerjan: also 0 was meant to be print 01:25:28 not... 0 01:25:40 zzo38: Yes, you can compile things to memory and run them directly. 01:25:40 elliott: print 0 01:25:43 LLVM is a JIT in this way. 01:25:45 zzo38: Yes, LLVM JITs. 01:25:58 !acro 01:26:05 And is actually even the basis of a JVM implementation. 01:26:06 ASSE 01:26:16 lulz 01:26:18 But the FAQ does also say you can emit LLVM assembly or LLVM bitcode. 01:26:27 zzo38: Note that LLVM is C++ and so is its library, but there are bindings to just about every language. There might not be a C binding, but you can write a simple layer yourself for the functions you need with extern "C". 01:26:31 !acro 01:26:32 Also, that's interesting, I didn't realise. 01:26:36 BCJE 01:26:38 Still, bitcode would be pretty painful to generate compared to the API. 01:26:41 (it's not *that* good, because the JDK is from SPACE) 01:26:54 there is a C binding 01:26:58 olsner: oh, good then 01:27:08 which I believe is the base of the haskell binding 01:27:26 or one of them anyway 01:27:38 The Haskell binding is pretty neat, FWIW. 01:28:35 Generate LLVM functions at runtime and then use them as standard Haskell functions without any real effort. 01:29:31 obligatory: http://augustss.blogspot.com/2009/06/more-llvm-recently-someone-asked-me-on.html 01:29:58 for my llvm-outputting compiler I chose to just write llvm assembly instead of figuring out how to make stuff with the expected types at runtime 01:30:32 loser 01:30:47 Where is document for API with C? 01:30:52 yes. I think it was before that blog post where august does pretty much exactly what I needed done 01:31:10 olsner: What compiler did you do? Did you make some compiler? 01:32:35 not an esolang, and not a known language either 01:33:12 olsner: Then what is it? 01:36:19 horriblysecretlang 01:36:36 or was that horriblesecretlang 01:36:45 it's only "secret" because it's terribly uninteresting 01:37:17 Did you do it just for practice? 01:38:12 well, it's not done yet 01:38:53 If there is C binding, where is the document about the C binding? 01:39:19 in the headers of the C binding, probably 01:39:22 The tutorial is only for C++ and Objective Caml. 01:40:53 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 01:41:57 -!- clog has joined. 01:43:46 elliott: act 2 01:44:35 CakeProphet: sweet. 01:46:15 CakeProphet: you clicked the link on http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002148 right? 01:46:22 (A stupid question, but yes, people seriously fail to.) 01:46:39 yes. 01:46:41 HERP DERP WHAT'S A LINK OH I DUNNO ITS DEFINITELY NOT FOR CLICKING THOUGH 01:46:45 (Historical reenactment) 01:48:15 elliott: that advice is kind-of useless, if we didn't know to click the link on the page, we wouldn't know to click it on IRC either 01:48:21 (not that I actually /did/ click the link on IRC) 01:48:35 ais523: It was directed to CakeProphet 01:48:40 [asterisk]at 01:48:56 There's a link where the narration usually is, and I guess some people assume it's just irrelevant or something :P 01:50:34 elliott: I know 01:52:45 also elliott is implying that I'm too daft for link clicking. 01:52:57 * CakeProphet is going to call a WAAAAAMbulance 01:53:10 CakeProphet: Hey now, I've had to deal with Sgeo reading Homestuck. 01:53:13 I HAVE LEARNED TO ASSUME NOTHING. 01:53:31 the clunky flash game thing was kind of cool 01:53:37 but nothing really happens. 01:53:55 The Flash games get much less clunky. Oops, did I just say something? 01:53:55 In some games something happens 02:14:23 hmm, this is annoying 02:20:04 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 02:20:53 Oh WTF some spammer managed to get an arbitrary image to appear in th Newspeak forums 02:21:08 Or at least in the RSS feed 02:21:30 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:21:34 oh noes 02:22:15 http://forums.newspeaklanguage.org/index.php?topic=297.0 02:22:20 Road to the Truth can be found at the following address: truenewworld.com 02:22:20 (attention, it is not the ad of the site - it is the ad of the Truth). 02:22:48 this guy has painting skils 02:22:52 http://truenewworld.com/Newworld.jpg 02:24:18 Everyone should be required to read what they write online. Not for accuracy or sensibility, but just checking that their eyes don't glaze over at a wall of text 02:24:30 (Yes, I know such a thing is impossible, so shut up) 02:25:47 http://www.wolfsearch.org/gfeed/img0/teen+sex/10_teenx1.png 02:25:52 compare prices on millions of products 02:29:56 there is no teen sex on the other side of that link, just a blank page 02:30:18 AdBlock? 02:30:32 Idiotic porn spam site block? 02:30:42 no teen sex!? link is broken! 02:31:05 Sgeo: yeah maybe my dad has installed one for me 02:31:55 i guess the pixel must be white because i can't see it 02:32:22 ...this spammer cross-references the spam post with other spam posts 02:32:28 X-D 02:32:45 yeah it is white 02:32:47 Unless those "forums" are just spam shills, I guess 02:33:00 worst teen sex ever 02:34:05 http://forums.newspeaklanguage.org/index.php?topic=300 [NSFW] 02:34:14 thx for telling me its nsfw lol 02:34:19 Description: Sasha notices that this guy's car is dirty, and she offers to wash it "for a ride." We all know that when girls say they want a ride, what they really mean is that they want to saddle up on top of a bologna pony and bounce their tight pussies on it until they cum. Sasha is no exception. She gives us a nice little strip tease, complete with hosed-down boobies as she washes his car. Then she buffs this guy's cock with her mouth. Sasha 02:34:20 bends over the hood of his car and gets fucked like a good girl, bouncing her ass on his prick and squealing like a little fuck-doll. 02:34:26 "We all know that when girls say they want a ride, what they really mean is that they want to saddle up on top of a bologna pony and bounce their tight pussies on it until they cum." 02:34:31 i... 02:34:49 Sasha notices that this guy's car is dirty, and she offers to wash it "for a ride." We all know that when girls say they want a ride, what they really mean is that they want to saddle up on top of a bologna pony and bounce their tight pussies on it until they cum. 02:34:52 oh 02:34:54 yeah 02:35:01 im slo 02:35:28 just... "bologna pony" are you serious 02:36:14 i have no idea what that means so dunno 02:36:52 unless, of course, it just means... bologna pony 02:36:52 penis apparently 02:36:58 oh. 02:37:00 nh 02:37:14 but... what... 02:38:17 makes perfect sense if you think about it 02:42:46 ... 02:42:54 it was immediately obvious, without thinking, actually. 02:43:45 they why it is a pony remains to be seen. 02:43:49 s/they/though 02:43:54 to me, bologna is just a random city in italy 02:44:09 and i don't see why any city + pony should imply penis 02:44:12 bologna is also a type of sausage in the states. 02:44:31 oh 02:44:34 freakin' Europeans. How can you not know this shit. 02:45:00 then it's also obvious why it's a pony 02:45:24 the only reason I see is for it to rhyme. 02:45:28 bologna is tomato sauce with ground beef 02:45:34 ah, well, nevermind. I see. :P 02:45:34 then you're kind of slow 02:45:59 just, halfway paying attention 02:46:03 i guess i should go to sleep, being even more of an asshole than usual :D 02:46:17 as I am about to go get ridiculously drunk, and this is what is currently on my mind. 02:46:31 makes sense 02:46:40 in fact, I shall go do that now. Goodbye. I will likely be on in a little while. 02:46:43 bologna ponys is what's on your mind? 02:46:50 oh yeah, baby. 02:51:57 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:19:12 Does anyone know how to make the lines that separate vim... windows? panes? less ugly? 03:21:02 see :help status-line, maybe? 03:22:27 the vertcial separator 03:22:32 it's a line of inverted | chars 03:22:34 which is just hideous 03:22:51 oh, i only use horizontal 03:27:07 Do any .S3M players crash if you have overlapping sample data? 03:28:17 hm and setting configuration variables for scripts is "let Foo=n" right? 03:29:50 i think let is for actual variables, set is for options. but i haven't made any scripts beyond simple .vimrc 03:30:16 right 03:30:18 this is vimrc 03:30:23 configuring a script 03:30:24 isn't working though 03:30:37 oh, works now 03:31:14 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:31:53 I happen to know that the script for CWEB programming has some bugs. Such as, if you type in a variable name "do_something" then it colors "do" as a reserved word. There are other problems too. Although, you can type in ":syn off" to turn off syntax highlighting and then it works OK. 03:31:58 the default one for windows only uses let inside a defined function, set otherwise 03:32:32 -!- ais523 has joined. 03:33:17 There is also a script for WEB although I think it is even worse. 03:36:44 elliott: hl-vertsplit seems relevant 03:36:51 oerjan: thanks 03:36:56 *hl-Vertsplit 03:37:00 er 03:37:04 *hl-VertSplit 04:06:34 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:07:51 -!- ais523 has joined. 04:07:57 o no the ais523 04:08:21 for some reason freenode keeps disconnecting on me 04:08:26 and my client automatically reconnecting 04:09:22 it's your peers, they keep resetting it. 04:09:45 you should give them a stern talk 04:10:25 the net's gone all peershaped 04:10:47 it's quite peerplexing 04:11:07 stupid peer pun 04:11:52 puns can't all be peerfect 04:11:55 I'm glad I'm not the last scandinavian awake anyway 04:12:25 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Underload#Why_the_reserved_characters.3F 04:12:25 hth 04:14:41 olsner is also me 04:14:48 i'm everyone who starts with an o 04:15:06 ais523: i guess only you can give a real answer to maharba's question 04:15:32 what was it? it's not in nearby scrollback unless I'm missing something 04:15:36 oh, on the wiki? 04:16:03 ais523: if you don't get it, it's a link 04:16:04 oerjan: i know the answer 04:16:09 i just wanted to be an ass instead 04:16:16 i'll make a real answer 04:16:17 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 04:16:18 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 04:16:18 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 04:16:35 what's the answer? 04:16:39 elliott: noo, be an ass, don't answer 04:16:41 is it something convoluted and cool 04:16:50 say something fun instead 04:17:05 yes and remember to use funny words like poo 04:17:07 I've answered 04:17:12 oklofok: poo! 04:17:15 xD 04:17:17 and should really tell elliott to stop trolling 04:17:18 me too 04:17:20 elliott: stop trolling 04:17:25 ais523: that wasn't trolling, that was a joke :( 04:17:28 difference 04:17:29 well, OK 04:17:34 it wasn't /funny/ 04:17:38 but who says jokes have to be funny 04:17:46 ais523: I did troll by referring to ais vapourware in my response though 04:17:51 so hey how's Feather going 04:17:57 it's simple, really, when elliott says something it isn't trolling 04:18:00 badly, or well, depending on your point of view 04:18:11 tending towards the non-insanity-inducing side 04:18:23 * elliott resists temptation to add Feather to [[Category:Shameful]] 04:20:40 hey nothing shameful in preventing the collapse of the universe 04:21:00 maybe the universe is *meant* to collapse 04:21:08 preventing that would be shameful 04:21:23 olsner: it was, until feather reset that 04:21:28 ooh, maybe ais523 only thought about Feather on order of Doc Scratch THIS IS A PLAUSIBLE THEORY... 04:21:40 one day I will stop relating everything to that darn webcomic that hasn't updated in entire HOURS ugh what is his PROBLEM 04:21:52 elliott: hey, the article is a pretty good one describing the current state of the language 04:21:54 so glad i don't use my f-five key to refresh or it'd be burned out 04:22:08 ais523: i only wanted to do it to annoy you :D 04:22:11 and there's only an article about it at all because people kept asking 04:22:24 ok yeah I'm fairly sure if you ever get a Feather interp ais523 04:22:31 running it will end the universe and summon Lord English 04:22:32 don't do it 04:22:59 i'm sure it will be nothing as comprehensible as english 04:23:29 No, ignore that message about that running it will end the universe and so on. If you write the program, you can run it. 04:23:33 oerjan: "english" in this case is a reference to a pool term 04:24:06 anyway, ais523 will probably get feather finished just before christmas next year 04:24:13 oh dear 04:24:20 oerjan: How much do you want to bet? 04:24:27 if I do finish it, I'll aim for april 1 04:24:29 And in what country's currency? 04:24:36