00:10:41 -!- Lymee has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:25:47 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:27:17 -!- Lymee has joined. 00:52:33 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:01:06 -!- Patashu has joined. 01:07:05 -!- oerjan has joined. 01:13:59 the idea of having two different identites intrigues me. 01:14:40 sadly if there is _both_ a left and a right identity, they have to be the same. (because l = l `op` r = r) 01:15:03 but you can have something that is just one of them, say 0 is just a right identity for (-) 01:15:41 and more intriguingly, if you _do_ have just one side, i think you can have more than one identity 01:17:14 actually that is pretty obvious 01:18:07 > let x `op` y = if x < 0 then y else -y in ((-2) `op` y, (-1) `op` y) 01:18:08 (y,y) 01:34:20 http://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/ihleb/so_im_doing_the_writing_for_a_midnight_crew_based/ how does this have -2 downvotes? 01:43:54 Upvote/downvote numbers are meaningless. 01:45:12 you'd think they'd keep the fudging within the natural numbers, though 01:48:31 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:14:07 -!- brucebanner has joined. 02:17:00 -!- brucebanner has left. 02:18:14 fortunately he left before anyone got him angry 02:23:59 :) 02:25:53 Why does the e-reader I want cost $330? 02:36:27 Wikipedia now automatically uses WOT 02:36:39 No, n/m 02:37:23 Someone actually manually inserted WOT stuff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reflexology&action=edit 02:53:06 -!- Lymia has joined. 02:55:59 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:18:08 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:36:51 -!- foocraft has joined. 03:38:23 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:57:26 -!- azaq23 has joined. 04:49:06 " I haven't a clue what best to do right now." <<< ignore 04:50:46 " and more intriguingly, if you _do_ have just one side, i think you can have more than one identity" <<< a op b = a 04:52:19 ah yes 04:52:21 i think i characterized the CA generated by idempotents 04:52:38 although the characterization is a bit complicated 04:53:06 the CA generated by involutions (a^2 = 1) are a famous open problem 04:53:37 erm sorry the CA generated by periodic CA (a^n = 1 for some n) are a famous open problem 04:54:49 -!- foocraft has quit (Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!!). 04:54:55 the conjecture is they essentially generate all reversible CA, although there are some restrictions on information flow and you can't do shifts for instance 04:56:45 YOU'LL FIND THE DETAILS IN MY PHD THESIS 04:58:01 an idempotent CA is kind of like a strong deformation retract of the full shift to an SFT 04:58:23 um idempotent just means everything becomes a still life after one generation, no? 04:58:46 yep 04:59:08 what do you mean "just" 04:59:27 i'd say it "just" means G^2 = G 05:00:04 a^n = 1 is to hold globally at all points for a fixed n? 05:00:17 yeah 1 is the identity map 05:00:23 oh 05:00:30 nono a^n = 1 means a^n is identity 05:00:31 so the conjecture means that every reversible CA has a finite period... 05:00:41 what? 05:00:52 um that's how i read what you wrote 05:01:02 they don't, so let me see what i wrote 05:01:06 or what do you mean by generate 05:01:16 no they GENERATE the reversible CA 05:01:24 = their products are 05:01:41 but as i said there are restrictions, and i don't know what they are exactly 05:01:54 but it is known they do not in fact generate all reversible CA, particularly the shift 05:02:03 ah. so a_1^n = a_2^n = ... = a_k^n = 1 and then a_1 a_2 ... a_k is an almost general reversible CA 05:02:10 yeah 05:03:51 and i think i have a kind of proof for forall i: a_i^2 = a^i and then a_1 a_2 ... a_k is is an almost general CA G which has the property that forall n: (if G(U_n) = U_n then G|U_n = 1|U_n) where U_n is the set of points with least period n 05:04:18 to use your way of expressing things 05:04:28 became kind of... obscure 05:04:38 erm 05:04:41 *a_i^2 = a_i 05:05:11 it is easy to see that that must hold for all CA generated by idempotents 05:05:17 and i believe it's sufficient 05:06:06 for certain values of easy 05:06:29 yeah i suppose it's kind of easy 05:07:08 anyway a oneliner 05:07:09 `quote turing 05:07:12 100) I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love \ 146) we'd care about a turing-complete pencil \ 274) ah yes, indeed, alan turing was gay and stupid \ 468) i never meta turing. he died before i was born. \ 469) oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing 05:07:54 `quote meta 05:07:55 333) Oh god. I've become a metallurgy hipster. Iridium is way too mainstream. \ 410) I was more of a pervert in Metaplace than Utherverse I invented Metaplace sex >.> \ 468) i never meta turing. he died before i was born. \ 469) oerjan: 05:09:46 oerjan: do you see why they have that property? i'd love to explain you see but i'm wondering if you want to do it yourself. i mean i know how much you love math. 05:10:06 oh and Sgeo_ wanted to learn math, this would actually be a fun exercise 05:11:14 * oklopol desperately tries to find math buddies, then realizes there will be ppl at the uni soon and he could just go there 05:12:05 i do not think my brain is sufficiently awake for that much math now. 05:12:28 * Sgeo_ needs to be both: Much more awake, and made familiar with what a^2 means in the context of a CA 05:12:40 Sgeo_: a \circ a, first do a, then do a again 05:12:42 two iterations 05:12:55 a^2(x) = a(a(x)) 05:12:59 in fact i somewhat fear my brain may never be that awake again 05:13:06 a^2=a is same thing as idempotent 05:13:08 ? 05:13:13 Sgeo_: that's the definition 05:13:25 a * a = a means a is an idempotent w.r.t. * 05:14:07 oerjan: speaking of brains being awake, have you heard of a topology for all CA or in general a topology for the set of dynamics commuting endomorphisms of a dynamical system? 05:14:44 because i came up with a fun topology using a dynamics invariant measures and we found some fun properties for it like composition being continuous in certain cases and inverse as well 05:15:01 and entropy almost never 05:15:58 i don't know why you'd want a measure for it, but since we got results it felt natural to assume someone else did that stuff already, much better 05:16:00 not that i recall 05:16:03 erm 05:16:08 *why you'd want a topology 05:19:25 also it turned out that in the CA case the metric is just the integral over S^Z of d(a(x), b(x)) where d is the besicovitch measure, a fact directly given by birkhoff's ergodic theorem 05:19:49 ermerm 05:19:55 besicovitch distance i mean 05:20:21 i guess one could ask what the fuck the besicovitch distance is 05:20:29 let me tell you 05:21:47 d(x, y) is the lim sup as n goes to infinity of H(Z_n(x), Z_n(y))/(2n + 1) where H is the hamming distance and Z_n(x) is the word of length 2n + 1 in the middle of x 05:22:42 the original motivation of the besicovitch distance is of course that the shift - the most natural thing in the world - is completely chaotic with the usual topology 05:22:54 but it preserves the besicovitch metric 05:22:57 obviously 05:23:56 also with the besicovitch topology, S^Z is path connected, which is not very hard to believe, and which i've actually proven here once upon a time 05:24:17 because you can gradually flip all the bits of x to those of y... 05:30:45 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 05:30:46 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Excess Flood). 05:32:09 -!- Sgeo_ has changed nick to Sgeo. 05:33:36 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 05:53:54 -!- Lymee has joined. 05:53:55 -!- Lymee has quit (Changing host). 05:53:55 -!- Lymee has joined. 06:40:07 -!- oklofok has joined. 06:42:05 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:43:36 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+45%3A7&version=KJV 06:43:53 That really seems to screw with "God is good". 06:44:09 Unless God is in a superposition of states. 06:47:57 gotta remember that one 06:48:22 superposition sounds a lot cleaner than inconsistent or self-contradictory 06:50:22 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God" (Exodus 34:14) -- yeah, well, if his *name* is "Jealous", ... 06:50:46 Any artist does knows that you have to include contrast 06:52:32 mental disorder makes for great art 06:54:08 Also great atrocities. 06:55:54 artrocities??? 06:56:37 Sometimes. 07:04:36 arthrocities 07:06:59 " Unless God is in a superposition of states." I think he's in all the 50 states, but if he's a probability function his density would likely be larger in the bible belt 07:10:57 Isn't this some sort of a cue to a "they certainly are dense there, eh-he-eh" pun? 07:11:11 ;:DS 07:16:05 Oh, Internet. Why did you have to connect me with a solipsist? 07:16:45 And why would a solipsist even want to argue? 07:17:57 what's a solipsist? 07:18:21 Someone who thinks reality does not exist. 07:18:32 don't worry about solipsists, they're just a figment of your imagination anyway 07:18:45 No, a figment of their own imagination. 07:18:47 Even better. 07:18:47 :) 07:19:50 obvious is better? 07:24:32 hmm, but if everyone is a figment of the same imagination, that should be the same as actually existing 07:24:48 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 07:24:57 Well, it's certainly indistinguishable. 07:42:49 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 07:49:04 -!- RipperM has joined. 07:49:51 -!- RipperM has left. 07:57:53 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 08:00:25 -!- pikhq has joined. 08:18:23 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:36:23 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 08:46:16 -!- BeedaWeeda has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:54:09 -!- BeedaWeeda has joined. 08:54:10 -!- BeedaWeeda has quit (Changing host). 08:54:10 -!- BeedaWeeda has joined. 08:57:03 so i wonder if there's a support group for people in love with schizophrenic girls who keep telling you they have feelings for you but you're so good at everything you do they'd just feel like shit about themselves 24/7 if they dated you, and who will probably die soon enough anyway 08:57:47 it's prolly a pretty common problem, i should check the bulleting board downstairs 08:58:43 also sorry about being all Sgeo there :D 08:58:53 that's not quite my problem 08:59:09 but similar enough 08:59:11 really? 08:59:16 wanna share :D 08:59:35 in private maybe 10:19:59 -!- foocraft has joined. 10:20:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:21:22 I typed 'cephalopod' into Google, and the two suggestions were 'intelligence' and 'pronunciation'. 10:21:46 How difficult is 'cephalopod' to pronounce? 10:26:53 "Some cephalopods are able to fly distances up to 50 m." 10:27:01 Minecraft: more realistic than you thought. 10:28:52 -!- FireyFly has joined. 10:41:41 Phantom_Hoover, TNT assisted flight? 10:41:56 Lymee, remember the flying squid bug? 10:42:04 いいえ 10:42:46 It was all over /r/Minecraft, although I never saw it myself. 10:45:53 i never understood minecraft 10:46:06 and why people pay for a game that looks like its been made in 1985 10:47:13 and whats all the hype about 10:49:03 fALSO, please understand that saying that Minecraft "looks like it's been made in 1985" just marks you out as an idiot. 10:49:33 fALSO, no, that's Dwarf Fortress... 10:49:36 which is much more fun than Minecraft 10:49:42 FSVO 'fun' 10:50:27 Ordering around random giant things then waiting for it to finish while tabbed into IRC or something. 10:51:01 If you take 'fun' to be as it is in the adage "losing is fun", then yes, it is. 10:51:38 "Losing is fun" only applies to multiplayer games. 10:51:50 And DF, apparently. 10:52:06 Reading Boatmurdered, I can see the attraction. 10:52:16 Just watching everything unravel is entertaining. 10:52:37 (Headshoots is even more fun to read, although for the exact opposite reason.) 10:52:51 Dunno. 10:53:18 The biggest screwup I've ever had is letting a forgotten beast with an insta-kill dust attack through a hole I didn't even notice before it entered... 10:53:52 Which is to say: Most preventable, most final mistae. 10:53:54 mistake* 10:54:27 I never actually started playing, because I'm too much of a perfectionist. 10:54:38 Dont you guys like nethack? 10:54:44 its a playable game 10:54:49 Yes. 10:54:52 but it looks phantom_hoover 10:55:00 i would never PAY for something like that 10:55:10 but its ideas..... 10:55:13 It looks like it's been made in 1987... because it was 10:55:17 dont need to call me an idiot 10:55:17 I'd pay for it 10:55:38 Yes, because you seem to think that a game's entertainment value is entirely a function of how detailed the graphics are. 10:55:41 nah 10:55:49 my entertainment value 10:55:56 The rest of us pay for Minecraft because it is fun to play. 10:55:56 makes me try something 10:55:59 before buying 10:56:05 to understand what the game is about 10:56:30 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:00:12 -!- Slereah has joined. 11:10:59 fALSO, yes, but the fact that you think the graphics are at all relevant is not encouraging. 11:11:30 Its cost is trivial, and it is more than worth the money if you're into it. 11:15:04 "141% is the difference between A4 and A3." — ad on YouTube 11:15:06 Um.... 11:16:30 (For Americans and other savages, the A series halves in area each increment.) 11:23:18 I think that would be correct for B4 and B3 11:23:42 hm, not even 11:24:27 The B series is the same, it just has a different starting point. 11:25:17 Same with the C series. 11:25:30 It's correct for the ratio between the edges of A4 and A3, as long as you take the shorter or the longer edge of each 11:25:35 knowledge++; 11:26:13 Deewiant, well, OK, I guess that makes sense. 11:26:39 Although in terms of actual costs and what you can print on it, the only thing that really matters is area. 11:26:53 is there an A negative one? 11:27:05 I guess you could say there is, yeah. 11:27:42 A0 to A10 exists, with A0 being a square metre (rounded) 11:27:54 Of course you can extend it arbitrarily far 11:27:58 No, it's precisely a square metre. 11:28:18 it WAS a square meter 11:28:21 but the official proportions are post rounding 11:28:27 It's defined such that the side ratio is 1:sqrt(2) and the area is a square metre. 11:28:31 so it's not exactly a square meter 11:28:48 841*1189 11:28:48 999949 11:30:28 Phantom_Hoover, why 1:sqrt(2)? 11:30:33 How is THAT useful? 11:30:51 Lymee, because it preserves the side ratio when you cut it in half along the long side. 11:30:58 Sorry, through the long side. 11:31:36 Ah. 11:31:38 So. 11:31:44 A1 is half A0 or something? 11:31:48 Yes. 11:31:53 Clever. 11:31:53 Lymee, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216 11:31:54 Educate yourself 11:31:56 It is quite neat 11:32:16 Patashu, don't be hard on her, she comes from the standardless wasteland of America. 11:32:23 *gasp* 11:32:31 O 11:32:35 That's why everyone here is from sweden 11:32:38 (literally, everyone) 11:32:58 Heh, there are series from A to H. 11:33:02 And further, I suppose. 11:33:09 there are/ 11:33:16 how do you define D0 - D10? 11:33:33 Geometric means of Bn and An-1. 11:33:38 hmmm 11:33:50 B is the geometric mean of An and An-1. 11:34:26 Cn is often used for envelopes holding An papers. 11:34:29 Cn is Bn and An 12:01:14 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28rotational+energy+of+earth%29+-+%28G*mass+of+earth*mass+of+moon%29%2F%28distance+from+earth+to+moon%29 12:01:17 FFS, Alpha. 12:02:42 Oh, it doesn't recognise G as the gravitational constant. 12:02:47 Way to go, Wolfram. 12:03:12 -!- boily has joined. 12:03:51 ...and it still gets caught on the rotational energy bit. 12:04:35 is rotational energy a word? 12:04:38 do you mean angular momentum? 12:04:47 No, I mean rotational kinetic energy. 12:04:58 Ah, it is a term 12:05:33 Hmm. If there's energy in having a velocity, but all velocities are relative, does that mean judging kinetic energy is different in every frame of reference? 12:05:54 Energy is not invariant, no. 12:06:15 Interesting 12:06:26 When people describe it you get the impression that it's thought of as a THING 12:06:32 Some kind of substance objects possess 12:06:40 But it's just a measurement, an incidental property 12:06:47 It's not a thing as much as an accounting measurement. 12:19:18 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 12:19:18 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Changing host). 12:19:18 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 12:20:06 Dammit, why does America get so much pretty scenery. 12:20:39 -!- FireyFly has changed nick to FireFly. 12:35:30 kind of surprised mplus isn't ++ 12:36:03 -!- wth has joined. 12:36:06 or, at least, I'm surprised ++ isn't a method. 12:36:16 of any typeclass. 12:36:29 -!- wth has changed nick to Guest63324. 12:36:43 -!- Guest63324 has quit (Client Quit). 12:37:07 insane keyboard smash skills http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_TtuIJwMQ&feature=feedf 12:40:42 -!- foocraft has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:42:44 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:05:03 -!- foocraft has joined. 13:08:46 "So I admit I'm probably not the kind of person who normally belongs in /r/math ... but am I the only one who thinks complex numbers are bullshit?" 13:11:43 the complex number footage was faked 13:11:45 @.@ 13:11:46 Maybe you meant: . @ 13:11:55 @ . @ 13:12:02 @. @ 13:12:02 Not enough arguments to @. 13:12:10 @help . 13:12:10 . 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[or compose] is the composition of two plugins 13:12:10 The following semantics are used: . f g xs == g xs >>= f 13:12:55 @. pl t \x -> x 13:12:55 Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: "t" 13:12:58 Dammit. 13:13:02 @type id 13:13:03 forall a. a -> a 13:13:07 @. pl type \x -> x 13:13:08 (line 1, column 13): 13:13:08 unexpected ">" or "-" 13:13:08 expecting variable, "(", ".", "`", "!!", operator or end of input 13:13:16 @pl \x -> x 13:13:16 id 13:13:37 Oh wait it does g first. 13:13:42 @. type pl \x -> x 13:13:43 forall a. a -> a 13:13:54 so what is @. 13:14:21 It composes two lambdabot commands. 13:16:04 huh... 13:16:07 when would you need that 13:22:25 Patashu, what was that video? 13:23:32 That you linked to? 13:25:53 the program is lunatic rave 2, which is a beatmania IIDX emulator, IIDX being the series of 7key+1turntable rhythm games by konami 13:26:00 the song is kirby dirge by fether 13:27:04 no wait, kirby dirge is the genre, the song name is actually something like Piano Concerto No. 1 "Scorpion Fire" (For Kirby) 13:27:14 and the chart is the overjoy**7 which is one of the hardest in existence 13:27:19 and it's being played by che. it's not a fail but it's an A grade 13:28:16 that should give you enough information to google further anything you're curious about 14:10:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:21:05 -!- copumpkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:21:30 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:49:55 -!- foocraft_ has joined. 14:53:14 -!- foocraft has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:07:54 Patashu: huh, i never thought that the human being can pass it even with an easy gauge. 15:09:21 it's on the limit of human possibility. che can't pass it 15:09:36 ...oh wait, he did not pass. 15:09:39 yes 15:11:47 it never gets above 200 bpm jacks per column, which a few people can vibrate at with impeccable control. but doing it for 7+1 columns all at once is asking a lot 15:14:43 that's ~1900 notes per minute. crazy enough. 15:16:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDppGonwmb4 15:16:09 for academic interest 15:16:21 in the past i did play such a game, but i never managed above 600 notes per minute. 15:16:34 this chart is roughly equivalent density but half as many columns 15:17:02 safe mode triggered XD, but i suppose it a stepmania session 15:17:18 lol, safe mode? 15:17:49 (i have no youtube account) 15:18:07 wait, the video I linked you to is considered mature? 15:19:06 looks like so. 15:19:12 It didn't ask me anything, and I'm not logged in to the tube. 15:19:22 huh, 15:19:24 there's 'fucking' in the description 15:19:25 would that do it? 15:19:31 http://www.youtube.com/user/geniusleonid#p/a/u/1/zDppGonwmb4 maybe try this link 15:19:32 possibly. 15:19:58 still blocked. 15:20:12 Hmmmm 15:21:27 I bet if I could link you directly to the video it'd work thn 15:21:44 http://www.youtube.com/v/zDppGonwmb4?version=3 15:23:17 Patashu: indeed... maybe a safe mode is not for embedded videos then? 15:23:45 Well, if you don't load the description your naughty words filter won't see the word 'fucking' 15:24:08 or it is possible that this block is specific to South Korea 15:37:54 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:05:38 -!- Vorpal has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 16:06:36 -!- monqy has joined. 16:36:39 http://i53.tinypic.com/2m68ghk.png 16:36:40 ... 16:36:43 The game's threatening me 16:39:02 you're about to drown? 16:39:54 you know what would be awesome? someone should recreate that scene from the shining, but use lava instead of blood 16:41:46 quintopia, look what's on the ground. 16:48:37 i kind of like "computing theorist" but it sounds really pretentious :D 16:48:45 The problem is that still includes the word prefix "comput" 16:48:49 That's what needs to be avoided. 16:49:18 Gregor: No, because it is computing theory 16:49:28 it is the theory of computation 16:49:43 just point out to people that it's called computer /science/ 16:49:45 coppro: The idea here is to make it so idiots don't say "CAN YOU FIX MY COMPUTER?" 16:50:07 Gregor: tell them to go ask a biologist what cold medicine they should take 16:50:26 coppro: Yeah, that works REALLY well. 16:50:31 Seeing as that they don't know what a biologist is either. 16:51:31 alternatively, just get the shirt 16:51:44 Conflicts with my glorious neckties. 16:51:52 true 16:57:07 -!- fALSO has left. 17:07:14 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:08:22 an intriguing topic indeed 17:09:46 it's prolly a pretty common problem, i should check the bulleting board downstairs 17:10:00 that's probably a bit narrow, but try checking for subreddits. 17:18:35 * oerjan hates it when logreading and all the people he wants to respond to are offline 17:20:11 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:20:14 kind of surprised mplus isn't ++ 17:20:27 it _was_ in haskell 1.4 17:20:50 http://www.mat.uc.pt/~pedro/cientificos/funcional/haskell-report-1.4-html/standard-prelude.html 17:20:51 oerjan: well I'M not offline 17:21:05 which is why i responded to you 17:21:17 patashu and phantom_hoover, on the other hand... 17:22:03 mind you people who are online but have idled for hours are also somewhat annoying 17:22:45 clearly the only polite thing to do is to be awake and on irc always 17:23:15 well i just came 17:28:15 -!- Vorpal has joined. 18:15:53 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 18:29:32 -!- Lymia has joined. 18:29:53 -!- Lymee has quit (Disconnected by services). 18:29:54 -!- Lymia has changed nick to Lymee. 18:37:04 -!- elliott_ has joined. 18:46:37 elliott_: party! 18:47:19 oklofok just came 18:48:40 taupe 18:50:32 -!- jix has quit (Quit: leaving). 18:50:46 -!- jix has joined. 18:59:59 10:45:53: i never understood minecraft 19:00:00 10:46:06: and why people pay for a game that looks like its been made in 1985 19:00:00 10:47:13: and whats all the hype about 19:00:03 oh, he's gone 19:01:17 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:02:16 12:35:30: kind of surprised mplus isn't ++ 19:02:16 12:36:06: or, at least, I'm surprised ++ isn't a method. 19:02:16 12:36:16: of any typeclass. 19:02:22 CakeProphet: all the list stuff is list-specific, unfortunately 19:02:24 ?hoogle Foldable 19:02:25 module Data.Foldable 19:02:25 Data.Foldable class Foldable t 19:02:28 ?hoogle fold 19:02:29 Data.Foldable fold :: (Foldable t, Monoid m) => t m -> m 19:02:29 Data.IntMap fold :: (a -> b -> b) -> b -> IntMap a -> b 19:02:29 Data.IntSet fold :: (Int -> b -> b) -> b -> IntSet -> b 19:02:59 CakeProphet: list comprehensions used to be full monadic comprehensions too, but they were downgraded in haskell ninetyeight to make errors simpler 19:04:16 Blargh. 19:06:53 15:17:49: (i have no youtube account) 19:06:59 lifthrasiir: you do, if you have a google account 19:07:00 Gregor: ? 19:07:21 elliott_: technically yes, but i never logged on youtube using a google account 19:07:45 17:20:14: kind of surprised mplus isn't ++ 19:07:45 17:20:27: it _was_ in haskell 1.4 19:07:49 oerjan: oh it was?? 19:07:53 what did ninetyeight add again 19:07:55 and can we go back 19:08:30 class Eval a where 19:08:30 seq :: a -> b -> b 19:08:30 strict :: (a -> b) -> a -> b 19:08:30 strict f x = x `seq` f x 19:08:35 wowv 19:08:36 wow! 19:09:12 hmph, map was generic but fold wasn't 19:09:31 elliott_: Just Blargh. 19:09:37 elliott_: Also, what's with your underscore? :P 19:09:44 It's been there for days ... 19:12:16 Gregor: Hmm 19:12:25 -!- elliott_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:12:32 Well, the underscore is gone. 19:12:38 -!- elliott has joined. 19:12:46 Gregor: I've no idea to what you refer. 19:12:57 Neither do I. 19:13:00 Must have been delusional. 19:14:46 -!- elliott_ has joined. 19:14:50 Gregor: You fucking asshole, my router disconnected me for assuming that name. 19:14:54 I am deadly serious. 19:14:56 -!- Lymee has joined. 19:14:59 It just power cycled. 19:15:04 ... lul 19:15:08 I... can never be elliott again. 19:15:13 elliott: the Eval class was removed because it was horrible to have to include which types seq was used on in each function type 19:15:47 elliott_: You can be ehird :P 19:15:56 come to think of it, it may have been haskell's equivalent to java's checked exceptions :P 19:16:47 elliott: the Eval class was removed because it was horrible to have to include which types seq was used on in each function type 19:16:48 haha 19:16:49 (of course some may think monads still are) 19:16:59 oerjan: erm, wait, why? 19:17:02 if the type is not a variable 19:17:04 and there's an instance 19:17:07 you should not have to name (Seq T) => 19:17:15 well true 19:17:19 or do you mean like polymorphic things 19:17:28 but presumably for polymorphic things 19:17:28 in which case, sequencing them _should_ require an annotation if not everything is seqable 19:17:30 but yeah okay 19:17:30 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:18:53 HEY ELIOT WHATS WITH UR NICK 19:19:51 -!- elliott_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:20:10 -!- elliott has joined. 19:20:12 -!- elliott has quit (Changing host). 19:20:12 -!- elliott has joined. 19:29:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:29:28 Hamsters are clearly not TC. 19:29:30 Also GTG. 19:29:44 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 19:30:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NorAdder.svg 19:30:11 well this is clear as mud 19:34:31 fulladd a b cin (s,cout) = do 19:34:31 [n] <- vars ["N"] 19:34:31 n <== a `xor` b 19:34:31 s <== n `xor` cin 19:34:31 cout <== (a `and` b) `or` (n `and` cin) 19:34:32 oh well, there's this 19:34:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:48:46 Vorpal: uh, do ripple carry adders take a carry as an input? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4-bit_ripple_carry_adder.svg suggests so, but the article says you can replace the first full adder with a half adder 19:48:51 which wouldn't work if it can take a carry 19:59:03 If you use a full adder then it can take a carry, otherwise it can't. :) 19:59:28 that's not helpful :P 19:59:34 do full adders generally take a carry 20:00:49 isn't that what differentiates full- and half-adders 20:01:19 erm 20:01:20 i mean 20:01:23 do full-full adders generally take a carry 20:01:24 that full-s take a carry and half-s don't 20:01:24 as in 20:01:28 multiple-bit adders 20:01:31 ripple carry or whatever 20:01:34 oh 20:01:38 if you want them to???? 20:02:25 NOT HELPFUL >:( 20:03:36 lmao i am reinventing half of York Lava 20:03:40 gj elliott gj 20:06:36 I should rename Var to Bit just to reinforce how much I'm ripping it off 20:06:39 (unintentionally) 20:06:55 http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/york-lava/0.2/doc/html/src/Lava-Vector.html#N0 rip this part off too 20:08:13 elliott, you could do either 20:08:23 how unhelpful 20:08:32 elliott, on x86 I think you have a carry from the eFLAGS register already perhaps 20:08:39 or is that ADC as opposed to ADD perhaps 20:08:50 (add with carry, or add without using carry flag) 20:10:04 monqy: that's type-level nats :P 20:10:05 elliott, Add with carry is useful to do a fast 64-bit add on a 32-bit system for example 20:10:12 elliott, so you just reuse carry from lower half 20:10:17 Vorpal: right, it's just a bigger circuit :D 20:10:22 elliott, slightly 20:10:26 yeah 20:10:27 elliott: and then, a few hundred lines down, values for each of them 20:10:28 but this is minecraft 20:10:31 everything has to be tiny 20:10:34 elliott, in minecraft it is going to be fucking large anyway 20:10:45 monqy: its not like you can do better without TH 20:10:45 elliott, anyway you should do carry-lookahead XD 20:10:51 Vorpal: what, a ripple adder? 20:10:59 Vorpal: a four-bit one should be of acceptable size. 20:11:17 how obscenely slow will ripple-carry be in minecraft 20:11:20 elliott, ripple added means you have to wait for the carry to ripple through all 128 bits or whatever 20:11:21 Vorpal: remember -- humans construct generally flat circuits in MC 20:11:22 I support using a fancier adder, as well 20:11:29 Vorpal: one hundred twenty eight bits? 20:11:30 dude 20:11:32 why would you need that many 20:11:33 elliott, carry lookahead is a way to reduce that time 20:11:36 elliott, okay 32 bit 20:11:37 still 20:11:40 why would you need that many 20:11:41 going to take ages 20:11:46 why would you need that many 20:11:48 elliott, IPv6 router! 20:11:53 (no I don't know) 20:12:01 you're not going to construct a fucking CPU beyond something eight or MAYBE sixteen bit 20:12:06 elliott, point is, even for much much smaller sizes it helps 20:12:10 read up on it 20:12:23 bigger circuit dude 20:12:36 speed is irrelevant, redstone is fast enough for a small enough number of bits 20:12:41 what matters is getting it small enough 20:12:50 you realise that redstone transmits instantly right? 20:12:55 it doesn't take a tick for things to travel along a wire 20:12:55 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:13:04 so OR is actually completely free. 20:23:21 so OR is actually completely free. 20:23:22 elliott, yes 20:23:30 unless current flowing back into inputs is an issue 20:23:37 elliott, say you have A or B and B or C 20:23:48 then if A is true and you wire it stupidly, B OR C will give true 20:25:33 -!- Lymee has joined. 20:26:05 Vorpal: yeaaah, im not sure whether I should make OR use a repeater to avoid that, or whether to just solve it with wiring? 20:26:10 I guess if you have like a door as an input 20:26:14 then that could fuck things up 20:32:07 -!- boily has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:36:53 Vorpal: that makes things even uglier though :( 21:00:51 add4 (a0,a1,a2,a3) (b0,b1,b2,b3) c0 ((s0,s1,s2,s3),c4) = do 21:00:51 [c1,c2,c3] <- vars ["C1","C2","C3"] 21:00:51 (s0,c1) <== fulladd a0 b0 c0 21:00:51 (s1,c2) <== fulladd a1 b1 c1 21:00:51 (s2,c3) <== fulladd a2 b2 c2 21:00:52 (s3,c4) <== fulladd a3 b3 c3 21:00:54 wait, this is just a monadic fold, isn't it... 21:01:00 time to copy another piece of york-lava 21:06:20 -!- foocraft_ has changed nick to foocraft. 21:07:54 Vorpal: yeaaah, im not sure whether I should make OR use a repeater to avoid that, or whether to just solve it with wiring? <-- add a repeater if it is needed 21:07:55 :P 21:08:02 elliott, do path analysis or something 21:08:09 Vorpal: >_< 21:08:15 -!- oklopol has joined. 21:08:16 elliott, I mean follow inputs back from from OR gates, check if they are safe 21:08:20 Vorpal: i don't even know how to write a synthesiser, shut up :D 21:08:34 elliott, this is *relatively* simple 21:09:08 Vorpal: that affects timing though :( 21:09:13 I really need to figure out how to handle timing properly 21:09:56 elliott, yes indeed, that is one of the more complex bits 21:10:20 elliott, you will need to add repeaters sometimes anyway 21:10:37 -!- oklofok has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:11:23 Vorpal: im distracting myself by making a generic adder-creator 21:11:29 just give it the number of bits and ~VOILA~ 21:11:52 elliott, 256 21:12:00 also: currently every time you use the adder it embeds the entire adder into your circuit, I guess I really need some way to assemble separate components and wire them together... 21:12:05 this is hard 21:12:52 elliott, then you need to do CSE between adders and so on 21:12:58 Vorpal: no 21:13:08 elliott, actually MC is more like ASIC than FPGA 21:13:09 Vorpal: i just need a way to synthesise adders separately and give them input and output wires 21:13:15 so that you can plug other components in 21:13:33 elliott, make it a module in your vhdl-esque 21:13:43 its ok, just means that a "design" can contain more than one circuit 21:13:48 elliott, with a "binary" implementation 21:13:55 so you can do tricks 21:13:59 what does that mean 21:14:33 elliott, well what I mean is, that you can give it a special hardwired redstone implementation that it can route, but it possibly can't synth on it's own from the language 21:14:48 elliott, making it is a sort of "primitive" or whatever 21:14:51 -!- BeedaWeeda has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:14:53 well special component 21:15:03 elliott, think like __builtin_foo in gcc or such 21:15:12 lame :( 21:15:29 elliott, except users could supply those as well 21:15:39 i don't want anything unsynthesisable to be specifiable :) 21:15:45 elliott, anyway you might need a few of those anyway for the basics, AND OR NOR etc 21:15:56 I already have those 21:16:00 Primitives, I mean 21:16:01 elliott, it can be synthed, just you can't describe it in your HLL 21:16:04 I'm considering removing NOR 21:16:11 elliott, okay better analogy, like asm() in gcc 21:16:11 since it's literally just OR with NOT applied to it 21:16:13 smushed into one block 21:16:27 elliott, allow you to do stuff that can be synthed but the normal language can't /quite/ capture 21:16:33 Vorpal: shrug -- maybe, but this should generate a small adder 21:16:44 it's just a bunch of xor, and, and ors chained together :) 21:16:51 since it's literally just OR with NOT applied to it <-- different if you do it on a raised block *and don't put redstone on top of it* 21:16:56 because then the inputs will be isolated 21:17:07 Vorpal: augh 21:17:08 if you put redstone on top of the block the torch is on, it isn't 21:18:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:18:10 -!- BeedaWeeda has joined. 21:18:33 * Phantom_Hoover (~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486) has joined #esoteric 21:18:33 * BeedaWeeda (~port72.c@unaffiliated/beedaweeda) has joined #esoteric 21:18:35 draw your own conclusions 21:19:16 elliott, ... 21:23:09 Vorpal: what 21:23:16 hmm i should expand my thing to support simulation 21:23:17 :P 21:23:24 its just that itll be a pain 21:23:25 elliott, that is probably easier 21:23:30 than synth 21:23:41 elliott, unless you mean cycle accurate simulation 21:23:44 yeah, its just that i keep wanting to do it like york lava, but i cant, because my model is imperative :D 21:23:48 in which case you can add that after 21:23:50 hmmm unless... hmm 21:23:59 elliott: are you saying i'm Phantom_Hoover ? 21:24:03 elliott, wait imperative? 21:24:04 Wait. 21:24:06 Crap. 21:24:08 Phantom_Hoover, XD 21:24:09 Wrong window. 21:24:11 Phantom_Hoover: :D 21:24:17 :D 21:24:20 :D 21:24:24 :D 21:24:24 Vorpal: york lava taught me that cycle-accurate simulation is easy! 21:24:25 :P 21:24:29 elliott, VHDL isn't imperative... it is kind of event driven 21:24:33 elliott, wait imperative? 21:24:33 well 21:24:35 elliott, with an imperativish syntax 21:24:36 VHDL-style imperative 21:24:41 elliott, vhdl is not imperative 21:24:47 elliott, event driven kind of 21:24:52 it's more imperative than Lava-style transformations 21:25:00 possibly 21:25:08 i.e. 21:25:11 Lava> simulateN 3 $ map inv [low, high, low] 21:25:12 [[high,low,high],[high,low,high],[high,low,high]] 21:25:18 halfAdd :: Bit -> Bit -> (Bit, Bit) 21:25:18 halfAdd a b = (sum, carry) 21:25:18 where 21:25:18 sum = a <#> b 21:25:18 carry = a <&> b 21:25:25 elliott, I don't know how to read that 21:25:32 first two lines are ghc repl 21:25:35 Lava> is prompt 21:25:40 lines after that are regular .hs haskell code 21:25:52 that is 21:25:53 --ghci-- 21:25:53 Lava> simulateN 3 $ map inv [low, high, low] 21:25:54 [[high,low,high],[high,low,high],[high,low,high]] 21:25:54 -- 21:25:58 --haskell file-- 21:25:59 halfAdd :: Bit -> Bit -> (Bit, Bit) 21:25:59 halfAdd a b = (sum, carry) 21:25:59 where 21:26:01 sum = a <#> b 21:26:03 carry = a <&> b 21:26:05 -- 21:26:06 elliott, I'd say VHDL is more functional, TBh. 21:26:19 Phantom_Hoover: Umm... no? 21:26:19 You're just specifying multiple functions in one. 21:26:26 Huh? 21:26:31 elliott, ah 21:26:40 Vorpal: Anyway, Lava does simulation like this: 21:26:40 -- | Logic '0'. 21:26:41 low :: Bit 21:26:41 low = makeComponent "low" 21:26:41 {- Inputs: -} [] 21:26:41 {- Outputs: -} 1 21:26:43 {- Simulate: -} (\[] -> [repeat False]) 21:26:45 {- Params: -} [] 21:26:47 {- Continue: -} (\[o] -> o) 21:26:49 and 21:26:51 -- | Inverter. 21:26:53 inv :: Bit -> Bit 21:26:55 inv a = makeComponent "inv" 21:26:57 {- Inputs: -} [a] 21:26:59 {- Outputs: -} 1 21:27:01 {- Simulate: -} (\[a] -> [map not a]) 21:27:03 {- Params: -} [] 21:27:05 {- Continue: -} (\[o] -> o) 21:28:03 Vorpal: i.e. since everything is just functional transformation on (symbolic) bits, it can literally just do the logical operation on its inputs 21:28:07 for each cycle 21:28:41 Phantom_Hoover: how is VHDL more functional than York Lava? 21:28:52 halfAdd a b = (a <#> b, a <&> b) 21:28:53 compare to 21:28:55 (pseudoVHDL) 21:29:01 halfAdd(a,b,s,c) 21:29:03 begin 21:29:12 s <= a and b; 21:29:14 erm 21:29:15 xor 21:29:18 c <== a and b; 21:29:19 end 21:29:24 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 21:29:25 you get the idea 21:29:33 I'm not saying that VHDL is imperative 21:29:42 But you have to declare all the wires 21:29:50 It's not /compositional/ 21:30:13 elliott: havenworks.com Not Available :((((( 21:30:20 quintopia: been like that for months 21:30:36 i didn't know til now 21:30:40 sad day 21:30:57 did you download a copy while it was up? 21:31:05 I think I did, but I might have trashed it since 21:31:07 ask Gregor :P 21:31:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:32:30 -!- foocraft has quit (Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!!). 21:34:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:34:54 OK, my fonts are all messed up. 21:36:07 -!- Sgeo has joined. 21:36:20 Can someone get testBit removed from Data.Bits.Bits for me? thx. 21:36:39 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:39:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:39:38 *sigh* 21:39:50 What is it with people *celebrating* over the closure of NotW? 21:41:01 It's like they don't realise it's an extremely dirty tactic by News Corp. 21:41:35 Phantom_Hoover, NotW? 21:41:45 Vorpal, News of the World. 21:41:47 ah 21:41:50 heard about that 21:42:57 People just hear the news and thing "yay it's gone!" without realising that it allows NC to distance those responsible. 21:43:25 i see nothing good about the move 21:43:54 What is it with people *celebrating* over the closure of NotW? 21:44:06 It may be a dirty tactic, but it still results in the NotW no longer being published or made, which is a Good Thing. 21:44:12 Except no. 21:44:13 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:44:27 They're making the Sun come out 7 days instead of 6. 21:44:37 they actually had no real choice 21:44:38 i.e. they're renaming NotW to the Sunday Sun. 21:44:55 obviously they're just trying to cover their asses here 21:45:12 but they aren't trying to make everyone forget 21:45:17 they're trying to make the advertisers forget 21:45:21 Phantom_Hoover: Well, sure, but then we just have to destroy the (Green) Sun, rather than the Sun /and/ NotW. 21:45:32 elliott, ahahahahahahahahaha 21:45:48 (OK that was a joke I know.) 21:46:26 I like the way that they warned Andy Coulson that they were going to arrest him, though. 21:46:33 Phantom_Hoover: It was... a half-joke. It /does/ reduce our number of targets by one. :p 21:46:49 elliott, that... doesn't even make sense. 21:46:53 -!- karlmoore has joined. 21:47:07 There's no way the Sun is going to stop being published. Full stop. 21:47:16 Phantom_Hoover: It would, if we were crusaders with the power to blow up newspapers' platonic existence. 21:47:23 Phantom_Hoover: Depressing, isn't it? 21:47:42 Anyway, we just need to expose every single person involved in the Sun as a paedophile. 21:47:50 Clearly it is the only way. 21:47:54 elliott: obviously 21:47:58 -!- karlmoore has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:48:04 Hope karlmoore enjoyed that. 21:48:10 this is probably not too hard given News Corp's apparent security level 21:48:11 (diff) (hist) . . N Category:Declarative paradigm‎; 12:57 . . (+223) . . Timwi (Talk | contribs) (New page: The '''declarative paradigm''' is where a program consists of declarations that define its structure/functionality. This is the opposite of the ''imperative paradigm'' in which programs co...) 21:48:14 coppro, the problem is that people think that NotW being closed will mean that idiocy will vanish overnight. 21:48:16 hnnnnng 21:48:30 Phantom_Hoover: oh dear 21:49:10 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:49:16 Rather than realising that the only upshot of the closure is that the people responsible for the phone hacking will be that much better protected. 21:50:10 then people will just have to try harder to find more scandal 21:50:15 I wish this continent worked like yours 21:50:28 Why, how does yours work. 21:50:47 nobody cares about scandals like that 21:51:22 ...tampering with evidence in a murder case? 21:51:30 I'd've though that's a major scandal anywhere. 21:52:51 it would have seen a little bit of news 21:52:57 and probably prosecution 21:53:07 but no real serious outrage like that, I don't think 21:54:49 of course it would, it involves a dead kid 21:56:47 -!- Lymee has joined. 21:58:22 And they destroyed evidence, rather than just tampering. 21:59:14 elliott: you'd be surprised 21:59:18 Phantom_Hoover: so? 22:15:34 -!- Lymee has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:15:56 `quote wtf 22:16:00 131) alise: why internet is like wtf \ 136) And... 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Wtf is that \ 236) elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew. wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here? what 22:16:26 elliott: by the way, you're now almost capable of crawling. 22:16:47 tswett: It's so much harder than the walking I'm accustomed to. 22:16:58 `addquote elliott: by the way, you're now almost capable of crawling. 22:16:59 488) elliott: by the way, you're now almost capable of crawling. 22:28:07 -!- Lymee has joined. 22:32:05 -!- pumpkin has joined. 22:32:06 -!- pumpkin has quit (Changing host). 22:32:06 -!- pumpkin has joined. 22:34:58 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 22:38:03 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 22:38:04 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Changing host). 22:38:04 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 22:55:46 -!- azaq23 has joined. 22:55:56 -!- BeedaWeeda has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 22:57:27 -!- BeedaWeeda has joined. 23:02:41 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 23:03:54 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:07:31 http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-types-of-programmers-youll-encounter-in-the-field/262 23:07:36 this is a shitty post 23:07:48 "The Theoretician knows everything there is to know about programming. He or she can spend four hours lecturing about the history of an obscure programming language or providing a proof of how the code you wrote is less than perfectly optimal and may take an extra three nanoseconds to run. The problem is, The Theoretician does not know a thing about software development. When The Theoretician writes code, it is so “elegant” that mere mortals ca 23:07:48 make sense of it. His or her favorite technique is recursion, and every block of code is tweaked to the max, at the expense of timelines and readability. 23:07:50 The Theoretician is also easily distracted. A simple task that should take an hour takes Theoreticians three months, since they decide that the existing tools are not sufficient and they must build new tools to build new libraries to build a whole new system that meets their high standards. The Theoretician can be turned into one of your best players, if you can get him or her to play within the boundaries of the project itself and stop spending ti 23:07:52 rking on The Ultimate Sorting Algorithm." 23:07:54 LOL THOSE HASKELL PROGRAMMERS 23:07:56 SO USELESS 23:10:29 I'm not allowed to talk about antiïntellectualism, am I? 23:10:36 NEVER 23:19:11 that guy Elliott Hird is a sex offender, i found him on englands sex offender registry 23:19:16 rape by force 23:19:19 on a minor 23:20:13 BeedaWeeda: Were I not underage, I would be out for your fucking head. 23:20:21 As it is I'll just wait for your inevitable ban. 23:20:59 BeedaWeeda: btw, you're a piece of shit, die in a fucking fire 23:28:31 * Phantom_Hoover → sleep. 23:28:39 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:31:26 elliott: now is the best time to be out for his head. better to be tried as a juvenile. 23:32:10 quintopia: I suppose it's fairly likely he'll be a repeat offender 23:32:19 Maybe he'll actually find someone who's an adult next time 23:34:45 also, re: theoretician. calling that type of programmer a theoretician is offensive to theory folk. whoever wrote this is gay. 23:36:01 * BeedaWeeda laughs 23:36:22 youre just taking what i used on you and your trying to spin it around and use it on me 23:36:26 how pathetic 23:36:56 *sigh* 23:39:24 Trying to use what? Bludgeoning? 23:39:44 But seriously, that is one of the absolute worst things you can say about a person, you are a worthless piece of shit. 23:41:00 lol 23:41:28 You realise what kind of shit that would put a person in if (a) everyone in here didn't already know you were a piece of shit and (b) I wasn't a minor? 23:41:37 Of course you do, or you wouldn't have done it. 23:42:21 elliott: also, no one in this article looks like the average hacker. i don't get it. 23:42:45 quintopia: probably because the author considers themselves one 23:42:53 otoh, anyone who identifies as an "average hacker" is probably really annoying 23:42:59 you getting upset like that makes me smile 23:43:03 yeah 23:43:06 like the author of the article 23:43:44 BeedaWeeda: You're really bad at reading emotions; I'm not upset at all, I just think you're a worthless human being. 23:44:23 There is absolutely no way what you did will affect me in any way, so I don't give a shit that you did it from a personal perspective; it's just a really terrible thing to do and you are a terrible piece of shit. 23:45:08 i have provoked hatred and anger within you and thats very obvious by the way your typing 23:45:11 BeedaWeeda: Fuck off and die in a fire. 23:45:14 i agree with elliott. you are the least amusing troll i have ever witnessed. 23:45:19 23:45:32 if you're gonna troll, make me laugh. geez. 23:45:37 lol 23:46:29 BeedaWeeda: I'm angry in the sense that you should be made to realise how terrible that was, maybe by experiencing what people who have been falsely accused of child molestation have experienced, but I'm not angry at all. You realise that it takes no emotional investment to type words on IRC? 23:46:29 look at that anger 23:46:36 i won that im making you guys so angry 23:46:46 quintopia: YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRIBLE PERSON DIE 23:46:48 take a victory lap please 23:46:51 That took approximately 0 units of angry. 23:46:54 monqy: off a short pier? 23:46:57 sure 23:47:17 im so angry im typing in lowercase without any punctuation look at me go 23:47:26 beedaweeda what have you done 23:47:27 this guy takes his online reputation seriously 23:47:29 monqy: TYPING IN LOWERCASE IS FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE 23:47:32 DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DIEEEEEEEEEEEE 23:47:56 BeedaWeeda: conversely, you want someone to dig up your real name and let everyone know you're a child molester? 23:48:07 fizzie: btw he needs banning 23:48:16 ive been convicted before but never a sex offense lol 23:48:16 ^ 23:48:22 =D 23:48:49 If I was an eye for an eye kind of guy, I would imply that BeedaWeeda is saying he got away with all _his_ child molestations. 23:49:00 =/ 23:49:09 HAHA LOOK AT THAT ANGER 23:49:13 your just trying to spin around what i used on you originally 23:49:17 lame 23:49:29 surely to hide your fury no less 23:49:33 LAME 23:49:34 BORING! 23:50:08 HRRR SO BORING BEEDAWEEDA SO ANGRY 23:50:42 don't hurt him elliott. i know he wouldn't like you when you're angry :P 23:51:19 I'm perpetually angry at everything, but BeedaWeeda's permanent ruination of my reputation has caused me to enter DOUBLE ANGER. 23:52:48 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:54:15 Who the fuck is BeedaWeeda? 23:54:35 a really cool dude that's who 23:54:47 s/ol/ntemptible/ 23:56:13 Sgeo_: He came in here to prove that aliens exist and talked about UFOs and holes in megalithic structures for a while, then we got bored of prodding him and I told him he was an idiot, he got upset because we HURT HIS FEELINGS WITH CLOSED-MINDEDNESS, came back, and has since really lamely trolled for a few days. 23:56:40 Although the progression from talking about wanting to have sex with Casey Anthony to accusing me of child molestation is rather swift one. 23:57:10 absolutely 23:58:03 this guy cares about his internet rep so much that he will start yelling in caps over an IRC chat room 23:59:40 hahaha 23:59:42 I use caps all the time 23:59:51 no bold on IRC, well there is, but +c is on so I can't use it