< 1310515249 360300 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i am merely investigating regarding the possibility of translating norwegian tongue-twisters" <<< if that twists your tongue, you norwegians must have really sucky mouths. < 1310515277 951700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait what, i have never watched family guy < 1310515288 363568 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a jap once called me a "genius" when i managed to pronounce "it is warm" in japanese, that is, "atatakakatta" < 1310515295 440303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*genius < 1310515331 558297 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: That's "It was warm". < 1310515339 180235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that _would_ be easier for finns than most other europeans < 1310515410 712858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you are of course supposed to say "Fru Ibsens ripsbusker og andre buskvekster" as fast as possible, repeatedly < 1310515415 524809 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is warm" is 'just' "atatakai". < 1310515440 226750 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double genius < 1310515455 575069 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" This is presumably the layman's definition of graph, not an actual graph graph." <<< they layman definition of the graph of f of course being that it is the set f < 1310515618 971360 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" So, it's equivalent to Lambda Calculus?" <<< yep but the usual conversion algo from lc to ski has an exponential blowup < 1310515730 573843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" but the worst :(" <<< no best < 1310515798 402781 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: wait what, i have never watched family guy" <<< they just randomly sang that song once. < 1310515854 666536 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :' oklopol: That's "It was warm"' <<< i'm aware, whoops; i think the error originated from me being afraid of managing to screw up the trivial translation given that you would point it out in a second < 1310515912 15268 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: does "taka ka kata ga atatakakatta ka" mean what i think it does? < 1310515954 202171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was either the hawk or the shoulder warm? < 1310516005 911406 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1310516109 424499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: you are of course ..." <<< given that you can only screw up "buskvekster" (prolly since it doesn't mean anything), all you have to do is pay some attention at the end of every repetition < 1310516122 326761 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Pretty much. < 1310516176 285702 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm slightly annoyed by the "ga" there but don't really see a way around it < 1310516215 669506 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"taka ka kata kà atatakaka'ta ka" Bam, fixed. :P < 1310516221 147609 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310516224 441456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um what about ripsbusker < 1310516290 514090 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way to fail at that < 1310516302 252670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just repeat that ad infinitum < 1310516322 903986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't know how it's pronounced < 1310516382 400622 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, i can repeat it about 10 times < 1310516398 775639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only silent consonant in that phrase is the "g" in "og" < 1310516407 622418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*silent letter < 1310516424 270762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian does not, in general, have silent vowels < 1310516763 175033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/ibsen.wma ? < 1310516872 868556 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my second attempt tho, didn't choose the number of repetitions the first time so i screwed up a bit at the end < 1310516881 131981 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i screwed up there too but didn't notice at least < 1310516913 506045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to listen to that now, i'd wake up people < 1310516918 173383 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what busk and vekster mean so it hard to get the k and s right < 1310516930 573320 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, it's not very interesting < 1310516969 41905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :busk = bush, shrub < 1310516980 686687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously i know that < 1310516998 776322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vekster = plants, growth < 1310517011 709251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, i know i said i didn't < 1310517016 1482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't really know vekster tho < 1310517028 909741 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although kind of obvious as well < 1310517040 144712 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :given swedish "grow" < 1310517164 654149 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite finnish one is "mun mummuni muni mun mammani, mun mammani muni mun" < 1310517310 933533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns that the Hollywood sign originally said Hollywoodland < 1310517327 423214 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just watched a hustle episode where they said that < 1310517341 543766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNCHRONICITY < 1310517363 77524 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so actually it's "mum mummuni muni mum mammani mum mammani muni mum" when pronounced by usual finnish fast pronunciation rules, lemme record that for funsies as well < 1310517453 620813 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good < 1310517482 510812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/mummuni.wma < 1310517621 706484 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran out of air pretty fast and did the first one slow so got just 5 before running out of air < 1310517625 229410 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310517630 815447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with my sentencing this week < 1310517874 178970 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually the whole ep was about the sign, since they sold it < 1310517910 420491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so very synch < 1310518350 147890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1310518373 176396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learned it from wikipedia's front page, btw < 1310518386 153030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the episode is very very old < 1310518400 565094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310518402 196335 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there can really be no connection < 1310518446 327812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPOOKY < 1310518447 45778 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310518474 724836 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey why did the topological space have a hole? < 1310518556 839523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its parents were danish pilots! < 1310518620 76232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is worse than reddit's forced waffles/carrots meme < 1310518630 210397 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1310518637 774144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAD < 1310518653 280935 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1310518672 86089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was _not_ an attempt to explain. < 1310518700 97724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more of an attempt to urge you to run, before it's too late < 1310518716 832432 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the danish pilot meme is still better than my famous bisexual meme since i never really even got the famous bisexual thing myself. < 1310518761 760635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :memes are so egoistic < 1310518776 932005 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are? < 1310518784 117548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they contain "me" twice < 1310518792 933743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DS < 1310518796 955199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slows < 1310518941 39324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently the english insist on spelling that meaning as "egotistic", for some reason. < 1310518964 154280 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310518970 30861 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always found that compuddling < 1310519081 976580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cromulent < 1310519095 111727 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather the elapsidance. < 1310519671 702216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2295#comic < 1310519746 333010 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sticktothativeness < 1310519826 568118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something finnish would have a case for < 1310519862 962238 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they anti-yessed my applicatrix < 1310520079 367258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/?db=comics&id=428#comic these are really good i should binge < 1310520196 202400 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/?db=comics&id=2088#comic xkcd kind of did the reverse of this < 1310520218 262284 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it xkcd < 1310520220 392392 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pi thing < 1310520412 547312 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/?db=comics&id=1913#comic :DSDSDAFADSFASDFDSA < 1310520641 518749 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310521035 316467 :cheater__!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :smbc cynicism is weary < 1310521372 804531 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/?db=comics&id=493#comic < 1310521376 503304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm just tired :DSDFADFADFS < 1310521393 999533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've actually seen most of these way many times < 1310521953 881787 :cheater__!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you know about goatkcd don't you < 1310522015 403949 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1310522024 53950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it xkcd but goatse in every square < 1310522026 487009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried sending many files to CTAN, including chess typing program (including fonts), grid overlay program, PBM overlay program, Dungeons & Dragons recording program, but nothing is sent!! < 1310522029 879947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just the last one < 1310522045 286142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's CTAN < 1310522058 535542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTAN = Comprehensive TeX Archive Network < 1310522122 789564 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want these programs? < 1310522133 461295 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1310522139 944144 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have all i need < 1310522196 216496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is not useful to you if these are not the kind of things you are trying to type (or if you don't use Plain TeX). < 1310522232 572847 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use latex < 1310522243 435029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also no, i don't type chess < 1310522338 491469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dungeons&Dragons recording program, I use it every time I am playing Dungeons&Dragons game. I find it useful for this. < 1310522416 789611 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've played a few games as a kid < 1310522445 442686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This file contains all story events and character sheet data (and the entire history of the character sheet data for that game, with the exception that I couldn't put the one at start due to lack of data) for one game: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/shaman.tex < 1310522449 986637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What version? < 1310522516 327539 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter that much the way my friends play it < 1310522529 957800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather freeform < 1310522919 156896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1310522945 110538 :cheater__!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, just the last square < 1310522950 727573 :cheater__!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interestingly enough the comic book is ALWAYS better than the original < 1310523223 435957 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1310523399 835080 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vittu nostaa. < 1310523419 239856 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ino aminen läksi. < 1310523551 901167 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :samat sanat < 1310523609 273832 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sana sanat sanat sana. < 1310523723 921369 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perkelin vittu, I can't access Wiktionary. < 1310523748 207811 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perkeleen < 1310523754 102241 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1310523770 474209 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean the genitive of perkele < 1310523783 937911 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1310523793 181874 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is this Perkele guy, again? < 1310523810 240903 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing whoever he is, he doesn't actually have a vittu. < 1310523815 941497 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no matter. < 1310523858 819279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perkele is originally the finnish god of thunder afaik, nowadays mostly means satan < 1310523886 171698 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1310523981 852353 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean really it's just a curse word nowadays, but typecast into a guy, i would say he's the christian satan < 1310523992 95436 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1310524009 313398 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should perhaps figure out how to say some useful stuff. < 1310524013 963964 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kuva. < 1310524042 18904 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuva puree lammasta < 1310524053 951082 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suomen kuva lasti köri. I think that stopped being Finnish pretty quickly on. < 1310524066 456959 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, what is what? < 1310524086 837318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :köri isn't finnish afaik < 1310524099 493845 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is lasti? < 1310524102 347437 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except köri köri is something a silly car might say < 1310524116 72512 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :körötellessään. < 1310524133 253948 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lasti means like a truckload < 1310524141 29119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an ejaculation < 1310524144 910954 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1310524186 976447 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lammasta heimo syödä. < 1310524215 605098 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koira syödää lammasta. < 1310524265 436984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :syödää is not finnish < 1310524267 72347 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sota. < 1310524275 693139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't really understand "Lammasta heimo syödä." < 1310524299 685553 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know what "lammasta" means, so I figured I would just say it in the hopes that I would find out somehow. < 1310524303 260450 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"syödä lammasta heimo" is an okay verb ofc < 1310524314 688408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning "to eat a sheep a tribe" < 1310524323 616626 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1310524338 240202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lammasta = partitive of sheep < 1310524340 64691 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's the third-person singular present of "syödä"? < 1310524349 584096 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's the accusative of that? < 1310524351 172321 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here it's just like the accusative case < 1310524353 561381 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the nominative. < 1310524354 810011 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially < 1310524366 475688 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :third-person singular present = syö < 1310524373 588197 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1310524378 847670 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laskea irti. < 1310524395 806001 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to let go < 1310524418 620107 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hövemäpästi. < 1310524427 124459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nothing < 1310524445 477106 :tswett_!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm good at Finnish. :D < 1310524626 152451 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also while you say syödä lammasta heimo in context like "silloin tällöin on mukavaa syödä lammasta heimo jos toinenkin" (occasionally it's nice to eat a sheep a tribe or two), you have to say either "minä syön lammasta heimon" or "minä syön lammasta heimoa" < 1310524651 588963 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in minä syön lammasta heimo, i can only see the parsing that makes heimo vocative < 1310524721 316925 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*contexts < 1310524789 134205 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks that heimo is actually a finnish word < 1310526156 816510 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze. Google+ is at 10 million users. < 1310526159 32884 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a week. < 1310526227 777702 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is google+ as good as google? < 1310526293 627343 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Facebook competitor that's reasonably integrated with Google's other services. And reasonably well-implemented. < 1310526303 244595 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that thing < 1310526328 368815 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i'll ever touch that one either < 1310531936 195708 :asiekierkaDS!~nds@078088172155.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1310531949 472714 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310531958 535468 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1310532768 997586 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1310532770 140366 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1310532813 50568 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1310533168 396626 :asiekierkaDS!~nds@078088172155.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310535006 881459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20.tex Is it good name of a character? (The text after \Character is their name) < 1310535683 202489 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310535716 319387 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310537346 994750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: export to pdf plox. this device has no tex on it < 1310537388 175018 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uninstalled that program already < 1310537411 879176 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I do not believe that to be a good character name as I cannot pronounce it unless it is Welsh < 1310537424 906032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvi or ps is fine too i think < 1310537429 396166 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then I'm not convinced it's pronouncable < 1310537429 912635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you read the source file? In fact, the source file contains some comments that would not be printed out anyways (on a PDF or otherwise) < 1310537446 171021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it failed to download < 1310537447 254768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you pronounce it if it is Welsh? < 1310537518 817410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to download? I can export a DVI file although like I said, it contains comments and parts that are incomplete and will fail to print correctly. < 1310537551 589818 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know; I do not know Welsh. < 1310537562 416264 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, Welsh has 'w' as a vowel which may make it pronounceable < 1310537599 106736 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a sequence of 6 consonants there < 1310537600 225821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310537660 828949 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-176.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310537718 508486 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up the name at random on my calculator and added a space by myself. I could add some vowels if needed in fact I needed to add one vowel the first time I used this method (although I used dice at that time, not calculator; but it is the same method) < 1310537721 352117 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310537761 506205 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can see there are two character sheets in this file although the second one is incomplete (they do not even have a name yet) < 1310537829 237526 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-14.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310537858 960097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one is my brother character he didn't decide the class yet < 1310537869 794540 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the name < 1310537880 350089 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ability scores < 1310538260 976650 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would probably remove the q and the second v < 1310538270 670726 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I think it would be pronounceable < 1310538288 827881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you planning on actually pronouncing it? < 1310538305 290420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just copy the name here so i can see it? < 1310538329 16322 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe" < 1310538343 13840 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/second/first/ < 1310538371 388743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with coppro < 1310538385 508093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iucklwiv is somewhat pronounceable < 1310538414 688670 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd change Kjugobe to Djugobe, since Kj is tricky < 1310538423 860567 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1310538431 749531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will think about these things. < 1310538449 971133 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fake Kj good enough as Ky < 1310538465 404289 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's inconsistent < 1310538475 596418 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconsistent how? < 1310538479 668366 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the initial I must also be pronounced as y < 1310538502 289153 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) no it doesn't b) this is English. we don't care < 1310538503 821257 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case i'd spell it Kiugobe < 1310538514 129038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Jucklwiv < 1310538526 852458 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it english? < 1310538535 229471 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like no english name i've ever seen < 1310538598 644437 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it is just English letters, it isn't actually any language at all. < 1310538667 806766 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1310538682 89448 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in English, we can pull any random pronounciation we feel like < 1310538688 406346 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"si" looks like "zh" to me < 1310538692 52825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not pretend it is a real fake language? < 1310538698 61153 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for roleplaying isnt it? < 1310538703 423545 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No reason a character's name would necessarily be unilingual < 1310538718 517538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of one < 1310538745 794995 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes even in English the words is not necessarily pronouced like you have written. < 1310538766 362515 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes this is for roleplaying < 1310538807 420508 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It may make sense within the context of a character's backstory for their name to be unilingual < 1310538810 917914 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no inherent reason < 1310538839 641227 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of a situation DM has already told us, we escaped from a sinking ship containing many slaves and many creatures and so on, and cannot carry any equipment (or money) except for wearing rags < 1310538843 929681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know about this characters backstory < 1310538864 79208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tell me about your character < 1310538901 24379 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write a backstory (at least not yet) < 1310538907 567722 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310539041 908929 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a random "Character Lifepath" script < 1310539048 945698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1310539075 734448 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In many cases some (or all) of the results of that script cannot be used, though < 1310539116 322074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it needs improvement < 1310539127 442192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have it pick a trope from tvtropes :P < 1310539144 988937 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310539163 705359 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that isn't the reason why some results cannot be used. There are just results that do not apply to some characters or campaigns. < 1310539250 570451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is a possibility make a script pick a trope from tvtropes although how would that work? If they have a random page function, just use that. If not, make a list with parameters and stuff so that you can make combinations of things with specific values entered in some cases. < 1310539262 62495 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a number of indexes < 1310539269 152655 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could select, for instance, two Character Tropes at random < 1310539276 502888 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to parse the index manually though < 1310539280 345248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a story generator script that picks tropes for the characters < 1310539307 46926 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomly < 1310539323 375981 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? awesome < 1310539359 891594 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1310539364 323172 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1310539372 650339 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do know some of the pages there specify possible parameters that can also apply) < 1310539573 665734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I did run my script and here are the output (omitting the things that do not seem to apply to my character) (Note that it doesn't necessarily mean I will use this; it just means I am now copying its output!) < 1310539585 414149 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Place of birth: Fortress; Childhood environment: Strict; Caretaker's origin: Close family; Caretaker's background: Free laborers; Caretaker's status: Alive and well; You are an only child; < 1310539601 199352 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Luck: Fame; Luck: Travel; Tragedy: Imprisoned; Made an enemy: Creature with animal intelligence (Military, Foiled, Annoyed, Mutual); < 1310539631 345092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you write this? < 1310539681 313408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write the script however most of the information contained in the script is from other sources. < 1310539699 108627 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very useful < 1310539715 196402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also modified the things a bit, and did a few other things with it. < 1310539719 312324 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/scripts/lifepath.txt < 1310540416 109396 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? < 1310540457 233687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is TIM? timidity? < 1310540486 652836 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIM duplicates entry on stack the specified number of times, it is used to multiply the probability of an event. < 1310540525 491434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310540615 953970 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHA has a chance to discard something from the stack, it is used to reduce the chance of an event. < 1310540639 237713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1310540669 95613 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1310540698 751661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BR is line break, [ ] makes a subroutine, ( ) makes a list, {{ }} are comments, + before a command results in concatenation. < 1310540741 930279 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also other commands and prefixes and suffixes. < 1310540752 963448 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the other ones are not used in this script. < 1310540781 444640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RRE means to repeat the next command a random number of times. < 1310540838 164738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have your own program to parse this language? < 1310540865 948578 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks an awful lot like a lzw descriptor language < 1310540874 882730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is lzw descriptor language? < 1310540875 44781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with random chance < 1310540888 202897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like .zip < 1310540914 116106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a wiki page for this language? < 1310540924 94936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do have a program to parse this language, you can download the PHP code or run it remotely, including custom script form you can write your own. There is no documentation unfortunately. < 1310540962 772760 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can download plain source code gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0furry*FURRYSCRIPT or color source code http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/Furryscript.php < 1310541025 22816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Existing scripts are in the directory http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/scripts/ you can write your own and I might include it in this collection. < 1310541080 402732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should document it < 1310541088 570233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Form to run existing scripts is http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/webform.php and form to write custom scripts is http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/custom.php < 1310541088 932814 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on esolang wiki < 1310541130 181468 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes probably it should be documented. < 1310541297 52720 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But so far you just look at example files and the interpreter program code. < 1310541426 162935 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand well any of the examples? < 1310542003 908027 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me an example of how the stack is used < 1310542005 7325 :BeedaWeeda!~BeedaWeed@74-45-176-122.dr01.pasn.ca.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310542204 336034 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Sleep < 1310542445 355600 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/moaG3.jpg This was apparrently drawn in MS Paint. < 1310543679 909880 :BeedaWeeda!~BeedaWeed@74-45-176-122.dr01.pasn.ca.frontiernet.net QUIT : < 1310544026 716624 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One wonders if it was painted on top of a photo, though. The place at least is real; compare http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7082547 < 1310544065 147618 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of pixels to fiddle in any case. < 1310544383 622671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: watch the youtube video about painting mona lisa in ms paint. there are some very talented pixel artists. < 1310544534 776631 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's in dispute. < 1310544567 674982 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just thought I recognized the place. < 1310544879 839242 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a lot of time and careful application of the 1-pix brush, I can make any image < 1310545661 37732 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sucks at sleeping. < 1310545948 450430 :BeedaWeeda!~BeedaWeed@74-45-176-122.dr01.pasn.ca.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310547481 698519 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310549288 255981 :BeedaWeeda!~BeedaWeed@74-45-176-122.dr01.pasn.ca.frontiernet.net QUIT : < 1310549308 345712 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1310550107 715604 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310550174 635578 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310550174 797867 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1310550174 798015 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1310550509 741600 :cheater__!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310550877 911296 :jcp-!alex@opengroove.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310550977 79507 :cheater__!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1310551053 254888 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310551572 996552 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310551573 195279 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310551574 20082 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310551607 970073 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1310552714 864591 :CakeProphet!~adam@h168.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310552722 867235 :CakeProphet!~adam@h168.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1310552723 29470 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1310555332 504327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1310555453 618297 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310555480 504201 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310555481 18055 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1310555481 180523 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1310555737 539864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310557117 604576 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1310557212 112309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1310557220 855346 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310557241 944396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1310557244 44870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1310557452 112152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1310557648 591820 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-13.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1310557769 588821 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310557819 373786 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, you did it again? < 1310557910 729530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something wanted to reboot my computer < 1310557981 687776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'd change Kjugobe to Djugobe, since Kj is tricky < 1310557985 208323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO IT IS NOT < 1310558084 115035 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it is kjuut instead of tricky? < 1310558097 609060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er? < 1310558125 24408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kj er kjempelett < 1310558156 366373 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish pronunciation of "kjuut" would more-or-less approximate the English "cute". (I do know it doesn't work that way when you folks do it.) < 1310558166 228650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1310558393 521373 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it common for modern spoken languages to have no standardization body, or is this a rare feature? < 1310558397 421424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_palatal_fricative < 1310558402 554092 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310558425 278060 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, I just asked a linguistic question when the topic was about linguistics. Completely coincidental. < 1310558425 478964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1310558439 747584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :english doesn't, but french, german, and norwegian do, iirc < 1310558461 344746 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish and Italian as well. < 1310558498 449257 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems like a common feature for living European languages, at least. < 1310558534 435663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chinese certainly did some official changing at one point < 1310558537 939011 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310558539 675896 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icelandic has a standardization body, if I recall correctly. < 1310558600 247659 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish has "Kotus", the "Kotimaisten kielten tutkimuskeskus" -- "Research Institute for the Languages of Finland" is the official English name -- which sort of has a similar role, in that they publish a magazine and give recommendations; but they don't have any sort of legal or really-really-official standing or anything. < 1310558628 82883 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Research Institute for the Languages of Finland is devoted to the study and language planning of Finnish, Swedish, Saami, Finnish Sign Language and Romany. We also conduct research on languages related to Finnish. Most of our research is published in the form of dictionaries." < 1310558643 392321 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly a meaningless formality though. Having a standardizing body doesn't mean that the language that is spoken by most speakers is not fluid. < 1310558644 602781 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have a hotline service, in case you have an urgent query on matters of language. < 1310558655 180052 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, nice. < 1310558665 534259 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they do have a law too. < 1310558671 206552 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Research Institute is administered by the Finnish Ministry of Education and regulated by the Act on the Research Institute for the Languages of Finland (48/1976, 591/1996). A Board of Advisors supports its work." < 1310558674 789290 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we should construct a tricky sentence and ask them to parse it for us. < 1310558698 754775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian also has competing "standards" made by institutions who don't like the two official forms < 1310558730 878375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most notably riksmÃ¥l, a more conservative form of bokmÃ¥l. < 1310558815 116015 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book held the record for the longest sentence in English literature with 13,955 words. That record was broken by Nigel Tomm's one-sentence, 469,375-word book, The Blah Story, Volume 4. < 1310558819 107863 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1310558861 366065 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The law has a total of two sentences of content in it, and it basically just says such a research institute exists. I suppose the law's there so that they can then divert some money into it. < 1310558953 930873 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kind of wants to read The Blah Story < 1310558977 734722 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it apparently has a word count of over 13 million. < 1310559038 794788 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The expert bodies in charge of [language planning] are statutory Language Boards, who issue decisions-in-principle and general guidelines on standard usage within each linguistic community." But it's not like they're controlling the language with an IRON FIST or anything. < 1310559067 618553 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they did publish some recommendations for Finnish translations of IT terminology way back in the 1980s/1990s, but absolutely no-one adopted those. < 1310559297 293945 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah and blah blah to his blah character and then blah blah she was blah blah blah years old she blah blah boys about her so blah blah blah, her blah blah eyes blah blah along the blah blah blah his blah blah lips blah the pattern of a blah of blah on the blah as she blah blah blah and blah him with a blah < 1310559303 10164 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this sounds like such a good read. < 1310559318 727596 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... and blah him with a blah." < 1310559349 853388 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds vaguely like fungot after a s/fnord/blah/g < 1310559364 848496 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, is that bot again gone? < 1310559366 684145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of fungot... < 1310559391 770085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brave sir fungot ran away < 1310559398 441655 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1310559402 129034 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1310559413 19226 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best English word. < 1310559413 800103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your fnord on this matter? < 1310559414 214201 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's irrational. " snow crash" is worth reading: fnord/ markus/ papers/ ai-lab-pubs/ fnord? < 1310559422 596644 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now I have that ditty looping in my head, thanks for that. < 1310559422 839392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1310559423 1683 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1310559448 290335 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches < 1310559448 452808 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg) < 1310559457 430001 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hello < 1310559458 4718 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the nebraska bill finds an early occasion to make a few words upon the general position. < 1310559461 586501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yw < 1310559480 743721 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: But who gives a fuck about Nebraska? < 1310559482 827739 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: those who have read those writers. let the noble teachers but dissent, it is the fnord capital of polished society. omnes fnord fnord semper fnord, was with them a war or a revolution, and who have aggravated every fault they have found out a hundred ingenious devices by which they act, and i hope that you would be glad to know, that any of those questions which drive even wise men see any reason to apprehend, beca < 1310559500 482545 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nebraska -- the fnord capital of polished society. < 1310559563 896137 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know what Nebraska is? < 1310559564 212003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :omnes fnord fnord semper fnord | Esoteric programming languages | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1310559577 938228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: a us state < 1310559583 633370 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this blows my mind. < 1310559632 121609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: otoh i cannot say anything _else_ about it < 1310559640 593903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not on the spot < 1310559646 72496 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But could you list all 50 just like that. < 1310559664 876727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1310559668 812717 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suspect he could recognize them though. < 1310559685 262041 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And who stole the top half of my '?'? And is there a "pointless question mark" in Unicode?) < 1310559702 22554 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be used for pointless questions. < 1310559723 542454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could probably list _most_ of them, i guess < 1310559735 324453 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wyoming < 1310559763 294264 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an interesting word. < 1310559824 571785 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name Wyoming derives from the Munsee name xwé:wamÉ™nk, meaning "at the big river flat", but also named after the Wyoming Valley in Pennsylvania, made famous by the 1809 poem Gertrude of Wyoming by Thomas Campbell.[ < 1310559856 807420 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then where did Wyoming Valley get its name... < 1310559879 446123 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, from that Munsee word. < 1310559900 128867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alabama, california, hawaii, texas, georgia, new mexico, oregon, washington, alaska, north dakota, south dakota, idaho, minnesota, wyoming you said, illinois, kansas, new york, florida, arkansas, arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, new jersey, massachusets, missisippi, missouri, tennessee, < 1310559932 309645 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than half. < 1310559971 275976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :west virginia, virginia, maryland, < 1310559982 459157 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I was about to type that exact same sequence.... < 1310559990 875355 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bit weird. < 1310559995 341233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :P < 1310559998 74657 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to add Maryland first. < 1310560015 560626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :washington dc (not a state) < 1310560065 47532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :utah < 1310560068 160397 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maine, new hampshire, delaware, kentucky, nebraska, washington, idaho, oklahoma, < 1310560070 806679 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related: http://www.ozyandmillie.org/comics/om20020109.gif < 1310560080 438016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _did_ say idaho :P < 1310560085 220709 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my bad. :P < 1310560086 425128 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Washington. < 1310560096 469003 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can read. < 1310560109 84480 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may actually needed to get glasses soon. < 1310560112 142553 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*need < 1310560130 582443 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe my vision is getting poor enough to interfere with my ability to read quickly. < 1310560159 145120 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2CFA;COPTIC OLD NUBIAN DIRECT QUESTION MARK;Po;0;ON;;;;;N;;;;; < 1310560159 307400 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2CFB;COPTIC OLD NUBIAN INDIRECT QUESTION MARK;Po;0;ON;;;;;N;;;;; < 1310560164 419880 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no "pointless question". :/ < 1310560237 712848 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do you feel about COPTIC OLD NUBIAN DIRECT QUESTION MARK < 1310560240 620401 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: _lincoln's first public speech. from an address to an indiana regiment. march 17, 1909, and delivered a long address so ardent and thrilling that the reporters dropped their pencils and, absorbed in watching him, forgot to take down what he said was, that he was branded with the mark of his despair, the seal of solomon upon it; there he had lain neglected for many centuries, limited the labour of the factory child. < 1310560266 9135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one mentioned connecticut yet :P < 1310560271 289120 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to Gutenberg's really sucky approach to metadata, not all of that stuff has had titles and such cleaned up yet. < 1310560299 169463 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There he had lain neglected for many centuries, limited the labour of the factory child." < 1310560308 644697 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it's so much easier to say WAAAAH FUNGOT IS BUGGY. < 1310560310 533843 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1310560326 640455 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1310560326 803054 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches* ss wp youtube < 1310560339 964592 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :%style youtube < 1310560344 873912 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1310560345 36156 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1310560347 358955 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those abbreviations are a bit obscure. < 1310560356 166974 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the youtube style's built out of a very small dataset. < 1310560367 785725 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, I should make a language that uses every possible sigil in the Perl tradition. < 1310560378 994440 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do they speak in YouTube comments? < 1310560379 238269 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this was something like that, i liked the old avril...she used to be a president of the 3 dead. < 1310560385 806270 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, let me make more sense. It would use !@#$%^&* < 1310560396 102044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well a larger dataset might cause fungot to go insane < 1310560396 264505 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: " is that justin timberlake < 1310560413 123342 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yes, it was a quote from him. < 1310560413 355774 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: incredible!!... this makes you mad, very dark, gloomy. but i read or hear on internet. this has been kept neatly inside the box got hit by the looks of it < 1310560464 356574 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well # would be for numbers, obviously. $ for strings. < 1310560477 808444 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-13.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1310560486 335519 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I give up on this. :P < 1310560515 297174 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :having that many distinct sigils would be somewhat horrible. < 1310560584 731816 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think Perl would be better off in the long run if it ditched most of its sigils. The main benefit of having the sigil is that it removes ambiguities between variable names and other syntactic elements. < 1310560605 819606 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need one sigil to accomplish this. < 1310560618 708366 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then there are sigils like * which are kind of special. < 1310560624 444476 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-44.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1310560641 340281 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess that would stay, or completely removed and replaced with something that.. makes more sense. < 1310560699 402200 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know % doesn't serve much of a purpose and is pretty much the same thing as @, almost. < 1310560735 63219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think Perl makes some distinctions between arrays and hashes, but they both evaluate to lists in most contexts. < 1310560764 223824 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently you can have a distinct %foo and @foo, though. < 1310560782 952289 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I suppose that's another feature of sigils. < 1310560843 694648 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with the addition of OO and $ seems like a catch-all for most Perl values. < 1310560849 172466 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and references < 1310560873 166554 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having @ makes sense with the list semantics though. < 1310560907 153046 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it signifies that something is going on where it might not be expected if the variable began with a $ < 1310560955 65021 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I might try to learn ML soon. < 1310560966 176308 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks pretty tedious compared to Haskell, so I don't know if I will. < 1310561029 641240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd :D < 1310561052 613592 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millilitre < 1310561056 283549 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1310561069 649622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's xkcd < 1310561084 518501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/ < 1310561087 214349 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hey, it's kind of clever. < 1310561090 166518 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310561094 416356 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an improvement. :) < 1310561107 919349 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310561384 404581 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl takes lists from Lisp, hashes ("associative arrays") from AWK, and regular expressions from sed. These simplify and facilitate many parsing, text-handling, and data-management tasks. < 1310561394 132363 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a stretch to say that Perl takes lists from Lisp... < 1310561457 30776 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any data structure from... any language. < 1310561478 936588 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Perl lists aren't even linked lists, so.. that doesn't even make sense. < 1310561667 935812 :wth!~tianhou@61.184.206.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310561677 20956 :wth!~tianhou@61.184.206.140 PART :#esoteric < 1310561918 269770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310561922 492783 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1310561958 993141 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-44.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1310561997 976537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello? < 1310562210 440677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. < 1310562561 869816 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up? < 1310562603 678807 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, should probably ask fungot. < 1310562603 879397 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: great video. woop. < 1310562643 408405 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you feel about that video? < 1310562643 573807 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i think you were still a very famous video. woop. deal with it < 1310562669 755957 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, CakeProphet, deal with it. < 1310562722 869748 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop. < 1310562757 994710 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I think Egypt's having its October Revolution < 1310562767 556017 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST AS I PREDICTED IT WOULD < 1310562873 479153 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1310563302 208710 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310563391 183602 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1310564033 642759 :cheater__!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, october revolution in july? nice < 1310564042 56448 :cheater__!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're WAY ahead of schedule on this one < 1310564098 218456 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan NICK :Lymee < 1310564473 805700 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1310564732 251849 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PART :#esoteric < 1310565841 875461 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main=putStr.ap(++)show$"main=putStr.ap(++)show$" < 1310565862 435769 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStr.ap(++)show$"putStr.ap(++)show$" < 1310565866 754654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to add imports for ap < 1310565870 533966 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1310565886 744685 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap(++)show$"ap(++)show$" < 1310565888 171575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ap(++)show$\"ap(++)show$\"" < 1310565890 945596 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this instead. :P < 1310565904 822640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the ghci can use explicit module qualifiers < 1310565906 205441 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310565912 165899 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice. < 1310565916 813606 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310565918 934926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStr.Monad.ap(++)show$"putStr.Monad.ap(++)show$" < 1310565926 279735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1310565929 944285 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad right? < 1310565932 485932 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with spaces < 1310565936 226306 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to disambiguate from (.) < 1310565960 155043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the syntax is fine, but the -> Monad instance is an orphan one < 1310565977 305956 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so you need the import. < 1310566008 180401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Monad is the old form of the module, before hierarchical libraries, it should still work < 1310566017 855957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not where the instance is. < 1310566036 739191 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ap(++)show s = s ++ show s right? < 1310566050 765849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes < 1310566078 179083 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...one day I will understand the -> Monad < 1310566087 409332 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :until that day I will just understand idioms. :P < 1310566106 817999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just Reader without the newtype wrapping :P < 1310566123 773595 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't learned Reader, probably because he hasn't needed it. < 1310566143 318927 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ap < 1310566143 481514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap = liftM2 id < 1310566153 489471 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1310566159 703735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the -> monad provides an extra argument to everything < 1310566169 390497 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src liftM2 < 1310566169 552590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 f m1 m2 = do { x1 <- m1; x2 <- m2; return (f x1 x2) } < 1310566197 126882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can use it for abstraction elimination. ap = S, return = K, ask = I < 1310566211 851767 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1310566230 252163 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so ap is where -> Monad is most useful? < 1310566244 120569 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not directly with >>=? < 1310566257 38292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh >>= is useful too < 1310566278 679352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is join < 1310566303 421797 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join < 1310566304 204673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => m (m a) -> m a < 1310566322 122411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :join in the -> Monad essentially duplicates an argument < 1310566328 859016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (++) "a" < 1310566330 319180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "aa" < 1310566346 234139 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1310566374 242411 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310566378 329236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @pl does some of this automatically < 1310566383 340673 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :m (m a) = (->) ((->) a)? < 1310566388 226743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> f x (g x) < 1310566388 486718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap f g < 1310566390 883174 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, the wireless here was getting so shaky that I was given a wired connection instead < 1310566393 804434 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really sure how to read that... ' < 1310566407 961463 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has all sorts of issues, like requiring a proxy for HTTP that Firefox and Gnome can autodetect, but KDE can't < 1310566410 982741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's actually the (e ->) Monad < 1310566414 704338 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and firewalling port 6667 outbound < 1310566420 591593 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's why I'm on webchat atm) < 1310566431 839985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for e the type of the common extra argument < 1310566443 404411 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have an idea of how to get KDE's proxy settings to work? < 1310566459 134757 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :e -> e -> a? < 1310566463 323586 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is m (m a) here? < 1310566466 565384 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I just search on the error message? < 1310566478 377536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yep < 1310566483 823101 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay, that makes more sense. < 1310566513 900784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a trick you can sometimes use to get the -> instance type for things < 1310566518 710533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join.($) < 1310566519 444160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. (a1 -> a1 -> a) -> a1 -> a < 1310566583 761739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.($) is essentially a nop, except for restricting the type of the first argument of what it's added to to be a function < 1310566598 106552 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1310566601 731273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=).($) < 1310566602 568058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b a1. (a1 -> a) -> (a -> a1 -> b) -> a1 -> b < 1310566625 366735 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's... interesting. < 1310566657 13363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> f (g x) x < 1310566657 247651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f =<< g < 1310566669 698132 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>=)f g a = g (f a) a --?? < 1310566673 617358 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310566674 450647 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310566715 559007 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to ap, but kind of reversed in a way. < 1310566778 503291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :return, ask and fmap/liftM of the -> Monad are rarely used but not because they are useless they just have simpler names: const, id, (.) < 1310566803 249366 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was familiar with all of those except ask. < 1310566815 581600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask is a MonadReader method < 1310566817 607671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ask < 1310566818 541219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) r. (MonadReader r m) => m r < 1310566850 741457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returns the commonly passed argument < 1310566852 371441 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a constant, which for the -> function instance makes it a function. :) < 1310566870 737818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310566937 193129 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "the commonly passed argument" even mean? < 1310566956 1696 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, an identity argument? < 1310566995 131678 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ask :: [Char] < 1310566995 857223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Monad.Reader.Class.MonadReader < 1310566996 69924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1310567004 42611 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1310567026 816968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader instances are ->, Reader, and ReaderT (the transformer version) < 1310567132 256498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runReader (do x <- ask; y <- asks (+1); return $ "Argument was " ++ show x + " and argument+1 was " ++ show y) 5 < 1310567133 100402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Base.String) < 1310567133 263186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `GHC... < 1310567134 339768 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310567135 356137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1310567145 748176 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reader seems kind of redundant, but ReaderT is interesting. < 1310567167 134250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runReader (do x <- ask; y <- asks (+1); return $ "Argument was " ++ show x ++ " and argument+1 was " ++ show y) 5 < 1310567168 695905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Argument was 5 and argument+1 was 6" < 1310567198 58192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Reader is just the untransformed version. You might use it on the bottom of a monad stack. < 1310567224 282244 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310567244 34891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case Reader is like State except the state is immutable. It's useful for passing common configuration and stuff. < 1310567276 75720 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, fun news story: apparently a monkey picked up a camera and accidentally took a photo of another monkey, someone posted it online, then someone (presumably related to the camera's owner) sent a takedown notice < 1310567319 188551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh interesting copyright issue :P < 1310567349 363013 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1310567390 295188 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah not quite right, it seems that the monkeys took photos of themselves < 1310567396 438747 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they liked looking at their reflection in the camera lens < 1310567399 916756 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this possible? < 1310567409 807844 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Foo ( module Foo) < 1310567418 342793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: also in addition to be immutable, Reader has some better laziness properties since the passed state doesn't need to be threaded through every previous action. < 1310567425 324677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310567447 265469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just had an idea < 1310567461 385687 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esoteric programming language based on Numberwang < 1310567472 98900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From That Mitchell and Webb Look < 1310567476 592758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runReader (do x <- undefined; y <- ask; return (y+1)) 5 < 1310567477 421025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1310567489 38559 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also Wang B-Machines < 1310567491 883308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runState (do x <- undefined; y <- get; return (y+1)) 5 < 1310567492 757510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1310567504 787329 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a bit of Malbolge for extra measure < 1310567508 69434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: see the difference? < 1310567529 270717 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that State is not as lazy. < 1310567538 636188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result of the ask is well defined because the state cannot change, but get isn't < 1310567558 780922 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you fix get? < 1310567565 326994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1310567574 281890 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right.. -_- < 1310567575 799332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runState (do x <- undefined; put (10); y <- get; return (y+1)) 5 < 1310567576 713628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (11,10) < 1310567600 531544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instructions will be, GO RIGHT, GO LEFT, FLIP, IF ON GOTO, and NUMBERWANG. < 1310567611 676455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except these will be encrypted as numbers < 1310567617 379435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now State works because no information about the undefined action actually is needed < 1310567630 881545 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should also be a SHAZAM instruction. < 1310567632 404002 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. < 1310567713 74094 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet Russia, The State has no undefined information: action actually is needed < 1310567760 737057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because in soviet russia, everything is strict. but somehow, still lazy. < 1310567800 914409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1310567812 865010 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix fix < 1310567813 589655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> a < 1310567830 925440 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically all I'm seeing is HASKELL HAS A LIMITATION SORRY. < 1310567831 808430 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numberwang will be the halt instruction < 1310567845 588785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix < 1310567846 382982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a) -> a < 1310567911 499421 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :something wrong with an infinite -> tree? < 1310567956 100446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in principle, but the standard response is "it tends to make too many things type that are really errors" < 1310567971 795836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ocaml has a -t flag to allow it) < 1310567998 518300 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, I've always wanted a function that has infinite arguments. < 1310568004 326875 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the possibilities... < 1310568009 795602 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure can't. < 1310568077 249815 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: * forall a. (a^1 -> a)^1 -> a < 1310568084 371746 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it could be possible to distinguish between an intended infinite type and an unintended one < 1310568089 897358 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the resulting program might not be finite-state < 1310568094 659896 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically by requiring an explicit definition for intended infinite types. < 1310568102 633939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's what newtypes are for :) < 1310568138 280036 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT THE SAME. < 1310568172 924495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.Function (fix); newtype Fix a = Fix {unfix :: Fix a -> Fix a} deriving Show; main = print $ fix (fix . unfix) < 1310568181 325673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1310568210 556841 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I went and declared a string-indexed array in VHDL just to see what would happen, from "hello" to "world" < 1310568216 243471 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "hello" downto "world" < 1310568221 683508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.Function (fix); newtype Fix a = Fix {unfix :: Fix a -> Fix a}; main = return $! fix (fix . unfix) < 1310568243 111986 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is, that it parsed correctly and typechecked correctly, then the compiler said something with a bogus line number about array indexes having to be discrete types, then crashed < 1310568256 309426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ok i got no error message for the last one :P < 1310568259 351069 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you fixing fix without fixing Haskell's type system? < 1310568273 796342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i am < 1310568285 269901 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the type of fix is basicaly ((a->b)->(a->b))->(a->b) < 1310568290 758127 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*basically < 1310568290 920619 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well that's kind of cool. < 1310568312 607074 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing it as (a->a)->a looks cooler and is marginally more general, even though a not being a function type isn't actually useful with the standard definition of fix < 1310568323 873969 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1310568332 781633 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (2:) < 1310568333 492343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,... < 1310568334 132209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ('a':) -- i beg to differ < 1310568334 926360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... < 1310568339 373087 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what are you talking about? :P < 1310568346 60930 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ('a':) is a function < 1310568349 625738 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ('a':) < 1310568350 433019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Char] -> [Char] < 1310568353 339099 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) is a function < 1310568355 968200 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1310568357 269910 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in (a -> a) -> a < 1310568364 732383 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....? < 1310568367 111127 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310568367 273357 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I mean, a should itself be a function < 1310568367 435758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but not of the type (a->b)->(a->b) < 1310568371 653400 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1310568377 816383 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310568387 796228 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's because you have a lazy language that you can get away with that < 1310568397 91010 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and recursive types, so it's actually useful < 1310568405 14029 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working in a lazy language that doesn't have recursive types, so it isn't < 1310568411 74218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1310568416 922663 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (a+) < 1310568417 685481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (a + (... < 1310568430 887968 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> a + a < 1310568431 710372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a + a < 1310568441 998852 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix f < 1310568442 436461 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it doing symbolic arithmetic there? < 1310568442 739049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1310568442 901642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Show.Show a' < 1310568442 901823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a... < 1310568447 268601 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t a < 1310568448 91168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr < 1310568449 844312 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix f :: Expr < 1310568450 584263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (f (... < 1310568468 344155 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: sort of. < 1310568473 222235 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an instance of Num < 1310568473 384383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: mind you it'll probably end up true if you recode the recursive types as lambda expressions (System F types) < 1310568477 723496 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Quit: ^C < 1310568490 204675 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an instance of Show to display the expression that is accumulated < 1310568501 360015 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there is no way to express recursive types, it's prevented by the type system < 1310568507 854772 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310568511 581869 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best you can do is do, say, (int -> int) for [int] < 1310568517 905967 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it's a function from index to value < 1310568584 463776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : cool, I've always wanted a function that has infinite arguments. <-- i almost did that for a table in unlambda once. i've never actually done so but you can make functions that take an arbitrary number of arguments and terminate on a d < 1310568634 502523 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented one recently < 1310568646 956513 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was lazy, so it only used a finite number < 1310568656 164263 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call-by-name, so all arguments were obtained via callback < 1310568657 465852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1310568665 44034 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it took infinitely many arguments < 1310568674 106510 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\r n -> if n == 0 then 1 else n * r (n-1)) 10 < 1310568674 861811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3628800 < 1310568729 998052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I implemented one recently <-- wait in what language < 1310568767 827289 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICA < 1310568779 598360 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was originally written in Haskell, using a list to hold all the arguments < 1310568798 829524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: if you read the haskell report's definition of recursion it is actually based on (denotational) lowest fixpoint < 1310568807 671085 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICA used a sort of recursive callback, where it asked for an argument, then the caller asked which argument, then it gave the argument number, then the caller gave the argument < 1310568817 113346 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nifty. < 1310568837 856397 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's the usual definition < 1310568847 608628 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're writing a language and giving a denotational definition of things < 1310568980 556051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it is still a little out of place since most of the haskell report is not that formal :P < 1310569036 934269 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\f n -> case n of 1 -> [1]; 2 -> [1,1]; _ -> let z@(x:y:_) = f (n-1) in x + y : z) 10 < 1310569037 735653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [55,34,21,13,8,5,3,2,1,1] < 1310569130 573945 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how magical fix is, while being completely definable in Haskell, and also very simple to define. < 1310569175 857020 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just shows how powerful the semantics are. < 1310569185 161632 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the Haskell definition? < 1310569196 183600 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix f = f (fix f) < 1310569204 640351 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that actually works in Haskell < 1310569219 815308 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl fix f = f (fix f) < 1310569219 978975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix = fix (ap id) < 1310569233 865119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for elliott.. :P < 1310569256 677348 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating, it defined fix in terms of fix < 1310569270 738264 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is generally how recursion works. < 1310569280 126536 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should define it as fix = fix (\f. f (ap id)) instead, that makes the fixing explicit < 1310569307 759843 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Haskell uses \f-> rather than \f. < 1310569312 73020 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm used to the dot < 1310569331 893916 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that defintion would work. < 1310569360 358203 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fix = fix (\f -> f (ap id)) in fix (const 4) < 1310569361 103655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1310569361 267973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t = (((((a -> b) -> a)... < 1310569386 297419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: actually it's fix f = let x = f x in x < 1310569418 508969 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fixnew = fix (\f -> f (ap id)) in fixnew (const 4) < 1310569419 281289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1310569419 443947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a = (((a1 -> b) -> a1)... < 1310569423 774737 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310569424 818528 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it's even more magical. < 1310569429 25314 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was getting at, but it seems not to work somehow < 1310569431 171400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you will recompute things a _lot_ < 1310569456 858764 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing recursion with fixing like that is the standard way to transform a recursive program... < 1310569540 70118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix (ap id) < 1310569540 843233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. (b -> b) -> b < 1310569548 162384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id < 1310569548 935387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. ((a -> b) -> a) -> (a -> b) -> b < 1310569561 337936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl ap id < 1310569561 588532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ f -> (\ a -> a) >>= \ c -> f >>= \ b -> return (c b)) < 1310569566 38621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1310569586 969918 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl fix (2:) < 1310569587 153091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix (\ a -> 2 : a) < 1310569625 251844 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how, arbitrary... < 1310569655 509764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> f (ap id) < 1310569656 330728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b t. ((((a -> b) -> a) -> (a -> b) -> b) -> t) -> t < 1310569711 72401 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix (\f -> f (ap id)) = ap id $ ap id $ ap id $ ap id ... < 1310569721 436269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does indeed not look like something you can pass to fix... < 1310569737 242487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: um no < 1310569758 911448 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310569767 133198 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, indeed not. :P < 1310569768 309905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ((...) (ap id)) (ap id) i think < 1310569794 934777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix (\f -> ap id f) < 1310569795 763516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. (b -> b) -> b < 1310569812 949365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you switched the argument order, i think < 1310569828 595952 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps < 1310569841 923758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id ?f < 1310569842 773681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (?f::(a -> b) -> a) => (a -> b) -> b < 1310569843 255921 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl fix < 1310569843 447105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix < 1310569866 617995 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl fix f = let x = f x in x < 1310569866 807681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix = fix id < 1310569875 843482 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's a nice definition < 1310569882 905268 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it actually works? < 1310569893 787334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1310569895 949740 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl fixnew f = let x = f x in x < 1310569896 172909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixnew = fix < 1310569914 766879 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a sane definition < 1310569925 286723 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let fixnew = fixnew id in fixnew (2:) < 1310569928 182093 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? let fixnew = fixnew id in fixnew (2:) < 1310569930 180628 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fixnew = fixnew id in fixnew (2:) < 1310569930 959732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t = (a -> a) -> t < 1310569935 460085 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1310569977 777823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect @pl gets confused when you try to define a function it uses internally. also it does no actual type checking. < 1310569989 947125 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix fix < 1310569990 717564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> a < 1310569990 879643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable cause: `fix' is applied to too many arguments < 1310569991 41814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `fix', namely `fix' < 1310569995 550165 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl fix fix < 1310569995 776417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix fix < 1310570007 614444 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you mean < 1310570030 417344 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> f fix < 1310570031 177443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a t. (((a -> a) -> a) -> t) -> t < 1310570033 469000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: fix fix is already pointless so @pl would not do anything with it < 1310570040 402582 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1310570046 214827 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a quick way to verify that it isn't typechecking < 1310570073 668374 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl fix fix < 1310570073 871926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix fix < 1310570098 895912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also @unpl doesn't seem to do anything with fix... < 1310570198 186289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1310571357 226929 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310571363 735521 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1310571543 802029 :cheater__!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310573177 107051 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1310574050 815737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310574241 369170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon < 1310574241 531738 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive) < 1310574274 144592 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why? < 1310574274 720783 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sunsoft, a dentist's office is a computer " criminal" because the tar data. but i was tempted to reply to a particular string and i'd rather that the ' 90s citizens to problems such as < 1310575194 564883 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Comcast tech support goons are so cheery they're going to give me diabetes. < 1310575321 593511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh comcast < 1310575339 484407 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say whether i prefer cheery or sullen < 1310575679 386855 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've "sent a stronger signal to my modem" < 1310575686 369790 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq < 1310575709 729440 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably have some sort of a dial, and they've turned it up to 11 now. < 1310575871 455085 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the INSTANT I disconnected from the help service, my modem disconnected. < 1310575872 853807 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMAZING. < 1310575891 8642 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was like "exit chat" -> "all modem lights go out" < 1310575983 119631 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greatest part is the tech guy said "please make sure to leave your modem online for the next several hours" < 1310576001 74904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did it reconnect? < 1310576001 796746 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They took their finger off the "more power" button when you hung up. < 1310576016 957451 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope. < 1310576021 202143 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's just flailing. < 1310576023 495928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did you call them again? < 1310576029 509794 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Like those turbo buttons on ancient PCs :P < 1310576041 870454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yes, what did those turbo buttons actually do < 1310576043 461845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot < 1310576049 123276 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They overclocked the CPU. < 1310576065 844051 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you held them long enough the CPU would go "OH SHIT TOO HOT" and shut down. < 1310576072 577532 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you'd go "daaaaaaaamn I overturbo'd" < 1310576081 189862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha < 1310576091 404155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1310576095 808315 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not overclocking when it's a factory-sanctioned thing. And all I ever saw were of the dual-state type. < 1310576103 45914 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 MHz to 16 MHz, wasn't it? < 1310576115 322577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what was the intended use? < 1310576117 691583 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that; but fine, it would UPclock your CPU :P < 1310576129 863418 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310576135 211358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean the reason to not use the max speed all the time < 1310576138 695179 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Mostly to slow too-fast things down for compatibility. < 1310576145 597074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310576158 689953 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one box where the frequency switch was controlled by a small executable that toggled it. < 1310576179 783096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1310576198 87542 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The button was generally present on older systems, and was designed to allow the user to play older games that depended on processor speed for their timing." ('pedia.) < 1310576207 83621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1310576226 836476 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310576232 483832 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kiiiiiiiiinda pissed that my modem disconnected seconds after ending the help session :P < 1310576272 43476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did you call them again? < 1310576287 978159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also are you on phone now? < 1310576290 894928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310576311 39718 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm tethering my phone, and I used their online chat before, not a call. < 1310576313 602229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any guesses as to whether http://esolangs.org/wiki/http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Obeisantregion9 is a spambot or a real user? < 1310576321 628564 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, my ADSL link is also less speedy than usually. The downstream speed tends to hover around 19000 kbps, now it's 17949 kbps. So we all have our problems here! < 1310576333 587863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think probably spambot, but it hasn't spammed yet < 1310576333 783623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well do a new online chat < 1310576350 767707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that url... what? < 1310576357 258314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://esolangs.org/wiki/http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Obeisantregion9" <-- what? < 1310576358 476330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, whoops < 1310576361 549904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mispaste < 1310576363 637107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310576382 793101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't type URLs like that by hand < 1310576392 60120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1310576395 206078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spambots have been known to create pages at such URLs, incidentally) < 1310576401 753505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310576408 356097 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that that's the only thing it's done, why don't we just wait it out :P < 1310576445 786293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, I plan to < 1310576902 120318 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1310577412 378778 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1310577570 717861 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm going to send new signals to the modem and refresh it on my end. < 1310577576 72635 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna give you NEW SIGNALS! < 1310577579 641313 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENJOY THE NEW SIGNALS YUM < 1310577687 506054 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1310577790 208456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310578109 389878 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HyacintheACBU: I've successfully sent new signals to the modem. < 1310578113 412477 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessss, new signals! < 1310578115 578307 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUMMMMM < 1310578242 89759 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your modem didn't seem to like the old signals, which were mostly Mozart. This time I sent some post-retro grindcore to your modem, let's hope it is more willing to work now." < 1310578464 905862 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d932d7e4.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310578492 654960 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1310579053 15606 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310579728 590058 :chickenzilla!~zack@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1310580221 68311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, works now? < 1310580314 970784 :cheater_!~ubuntu@e179113122.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310580402 388796 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to work. < 1310580404 372744 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm online :P < 1310580406 377774 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to go through the whole activation procedure again though. < 1310580412 120687 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least I have NEW SIGNALS < 1310580468 221242 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thusfar, no lagtown :) < 1310580564 609226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw.. what is "ground" in a laptop. Wrt the case when it is on battery I mean < 1310580575 925172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean circuit GND < 1310581114 75398 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229098133.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1310581267 110941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310582574 168298 :MigoMipo!~John@2.67.216.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310583768 328729 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310583867 482910 :CakeProphet!~adam@h60.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310583867 950670 :CakeProphet!~adam@h60.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1310583868 113223 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1310584565 305989 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-19.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1310585659 952594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1310585769 11207 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229098133.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310586405 210154 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1310586408 205477 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im such an ass < 1310586497 614467 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229098133.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1310586501 950598 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :epifunge :X < 1310586621 160060 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229098133.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1310586638 273705 :cheater_!~ubuntu@g229098133.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1310586914 787128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, all of TV Tropes' "You Fail X Forever" pages have been renamed to "Artistic Licence - X". < 1310586932 566792 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1310586948 623029 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously TVTropes artistic licenses page titling. < 1310587053 555358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, it's for exactly the reason you think it is. < 1310587062 294556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too harsh on the poor little writers. < 1310587080 337427 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow what < 1310587082 132012 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1310587113 918627 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a WRITER discovered TVTropes < 1310587267 815723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically we are now starting a meme where "artistic license" is a verb meaning "fail forever"? < 1310587299 123232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1310587300 937511 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's less overused I hope < 1310587323 261134 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again "fail" in that sense isn't near as overused as the other < 1310587358 952466 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way is "fail" not overused? < 1310587487 394396 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice it a lot more as an adjective/noun/interjection than in proper use, somehow < 1310587504 64264 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful, regardless < 1310587547 219246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fail is fail. fail! < 1310587583 99866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to attempt to watch Ghostbusters < 1310587593 287139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1310587602 486026 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....? < 1310587620 121310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :......? < 1310587623 945529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: THAT IS NOT AN ACTION THAT REQUIRES EXPLANATION < 1310587641 715393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I CAN STILL ASK FOR ONE, CAN'T I? < 1310587679 35259 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310587684 773977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is physically possible < 1310587769 74442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, it was, I did it < 1310587799 626291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but you may have released Zuul in the process. < 1310587925 157115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? as soon as someone watches ghostbusters they will just solve that problem yet again < 1310588014 184604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what if someone ends up "Must not think of something immune to crossing the streams. Must not think of something immune to crossing the streams. Oh, damn." < 1310588056 865142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sequel to the movies they actually made will have a solution to the stream crossing issue < 1310588072 708836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1310588081 55434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has only seen the first movie < 1310588106 645615 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about my next esolang, Numberwang < 1310588124 845544 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name what does it do < 1310588134 885229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: rotates the board? < 1310588191 293777 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up for now < 1310588195 651883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube has it mirrored < 1310588201 409464 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got elements of a Wang-B machine, Malbolge, and Numberwang from That Mitchell and Webb Look < 1310588211 948406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, lemme guess, it'll consist entirely of enterprisey buzzwords designed to make it look like there's a language somewhere which will mysteriously evaporate if any attempt is made to implement it? < 1310588236 154683 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's a good idea. < 1310588241 532680 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not Numberwang < 1310588260 107965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code snippets which look fine at first glance, but when cross-referenced cannot possibly be part of the same language. < 1310588273 488865 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The programs are lists of numbers < 1310588299 197972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like with whatsitsname? < 1310588300 250706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you're going to re-create BancSTAR? < 1310588304 445519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one Conway made. < 1310588310 203797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRACTRAN. < 1310588318 719884 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closer to FRACTRAN < 1310588318 935639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: speaking of which, any response from FIS? < 1310588327 425667 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, nope < 1310588329 73538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1310588332 894744 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastards < 1310588333 485474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's completely different < 1310588337 73862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I did something wrong < 1310588346 337999 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't say sincerely < 1310588355 55606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm on the wrong continent, so you'll just have to break in there yourself < 1310588359 97356 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't greet them either did you < 1310588395 261309 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he freaked out when we gave him inconsistent guidelines on greetings < 1310588409 415500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1310588436 875244 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a way to convert any terminating decimal into an integer 1 to 4 < 1310588479 561495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, round it to the nearest of 1,2,3, or 4 < 1310588490 583332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do something with edge cases < 1310588494 331023 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, needs to be crazier < 1310588505 337424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I need a way to convert any terminating decimal into an integer 1 to 4 < 1310588513 223167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Terminating decimal'? < 1310588521 936905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, not recurring < 1310588523 747894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like 143.598632026? < 1310588527 433869 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1310588528 178241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1310588538 530389 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow fold all digits together then take the result modulo 4 then add one < 1310588552 814531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, take the hash, and find its value modulo 4. < 1310588568 190967 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashes work < 1310588570 252874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even carries on Malbolge's cryptographical heritage. < 1310588576 804475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert to a continued fraction, use the last term (mod 4) < 1310588602 96818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good too. < 1310588649 804130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BFS < 1310588663 176465 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do swords have to do with anything? < 1310588663 808300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note how 'Frikkin'' links to Precision F Strike. < 1310588672 767228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not how it works, you idiots. < 1310588691 847273 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha tvtropes < 1310588694 337569 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone blue-nosed bowdlerised it? < 1310588709 780426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's becoming distressingly common on TV Tropes these days. < 1310588759 221136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unfoldr (\n -> if n==0 then Nothing else let f = floor n in Just (f, 1/(n - f))) (143.598632026 :: Rational) < 1310588760 6358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral GHC.Real.Rational) < 1310588760 191506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use... < 1310588768 454926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1310588780 383489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unfoldr (\n -> if n==0 then Nothing else let f = fromIntegral $ floor n in Just (f, 1/(n - f))) (143.598632026 :: Rational) < 1310588781 197557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [143,1,1,2,28,1,5,3,1,4,4,1,2,1,1,1,1,4,1,3,1,1,1,1,2*Exception: Ratio.%: z... < 1310588792 84720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1310588801 897355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1310588982 752261 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :cowworker < 1310589196 707307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unfoldr (\n -> if n==0 then Nothing else let n' = 1/n; f = fromIntegral $ floor n' in Just (f, n' - f)) $ recip (143.598632026 :: Rational) < 1310589197 505091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [143,1,1,2,28,1,5,3,1,4,4,1,2,1,1,1,1,4,1,3,1,1,1,1,2] < 1310589260 162572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unfoldr (\n -> if n==0 then Nothing else let n' = 1/n; f = fromIntegral $ floor n' in Just (f, n' - f)) $ recip (2.718281828 :: Rational) < 1310589260 918237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,1,1,8,1,1,3,1,1,1,2,10,1,6,2,2] < 1310589285 201481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 < 1310589286 49145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.718281828459045 < 1310589297 396593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unfoldr (\n -> if n==0 then Nothing else let n' = 1/n; f = fromIntegral $ floor n' in Just (f, n' - f)) $ recip (2.718281828459045 :: Rational) < 1310589298 200245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,1,1,8,1,1,10,1,1,12,1,1,10,2,1,3,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,7,4... < 1310589348 357591 :cowworker!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1310590613 163399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders if it would be easy to implement a TC subset of underload in DigFill < 1310591597 394365 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let S be a lattice (and a poset), making S^Z a lattice in a natural way. the CA G is lattice-linear if it is a shift-commuting continuous endomorphism of S^Z. theorem: if S = {0, 1}, then a lattice-linear G must be a trivial map or a shift. < 1310591864 778471 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: since a homomorphism must be order-preserving, if all-0 and all-1 map to all-b for the same b, then the map is trivial. so we may assume all-b maps to all-b. now, consider x = \inf^010^inf. x anded with some of its shifts is all-0, so the image of x must contain a 0. so G(x)_i = 0. < 1310591866 983776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then for any point y containing a 0 in coordinate j, G(y)_{j+i} = 0 by order-preservingness, and similarly there is such a i' that a 1 in a point forces a 1 somewhere. obviously i = i' or points x with x_i = 0, x_{i'} = 1 cannot have images. but then G is a shift. < 1310591929 479982 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we're still working on the general case, although it's probably not much harder) < 1310591999 177499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry *"or points x with x_{-i} = 0, x_{-i'} = 1 cannot have images" < 1310592106 384080 :MigoMipo!~John@2.67.216.111 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310592123 304852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general i'm very interested in the shift-commuting continuous endmorphisms for algebras over S^Z induced by finite algebras S < 1310592144 580231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no f way i'm going to try to understand that. < 1310592148 16733 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :linearity of couse being the most studied case < 1310592175 632578 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shift-commuting continuous endomorphism" just means it doesn't matter whether you take ands of points before or after the map < 1310592179 591920 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and or's < 1310592183 376280 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and's < 1310592195 342063 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you meant that actual proof < 1310592201 219148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1310592370 76000 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i just said ...0001000... cannot map to all-0, or lattice-linearity would be contradicted, so the image has a 1 somewhere. but every point having a 1 somewhere is greater than or equal to a shift of ...0001000..., so you'll have that same 1 in the image of every point. < 1310592392 75210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same distance away from the 1 in the preimage < 1310592401 701261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to be precise, i meant _math in general_. < 1310592410 68676 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310592412 974198 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay sorry < 1310592424 255575 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone except oerjan: what i just said < 1310592793 133552 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's kind of fascinating that we apparently still don't know if the automorphism groups of the full 2-shift and the full 3-shift are isomorphic < 1310592873 845808 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably check this factoid, might've been solved now < 1310593005 241037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All fnord fnord always fnord"? < 1310593017 616639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! < 1310593018 87179 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: again why does the market put up with an mclput message ( and 2.3 displays it correctly, maybe i want to buy a " revision" of circa 1989 ( from the user's full name later. < 1310593032 138815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: words of wisdom by fungot < 1310593032 357515 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hell, sendmail, inserts return-path headers at will and does not have a lot < 1310593038 328466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey, any chance of homestyle in the near future? < 1310593192 42393 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I define the Numberwang operation in Numberwang, or keep it vague? < 1310593200 41028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vague. < 1310593240 516340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should define it with a program in numberwang. < 1310593249 873475 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon Numberwang is Turing Complete without it < 1310593324 563332 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it print "It's Numberwang!\n" < 1310593373 622971 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*may < 1310593438 766489 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or run the Numberwang program "12! 4.4! 92! 10! 49.8! 2! 2! 2!" with the current tape and everything < 1310593512 716392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I have no idea if Numberwang can do loops < 1310593526 692763 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably can. < 1310593531 319692 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a GOTO command < 1310593575 673160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which decimal → 1..4 thing did you use? < 1310593588 301937 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Numberwang this isn't your numberwang I hope < 1310593610 739112 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that numberwang has loops and is bad < 1310593620 581035 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1310593636 327664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll just sweep it under the rug. < 1310593651 176593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Move it to Numberwang (crappy BF derivative) < 1310593664 438302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, motion that the wiki has a Brainfuck: namespace. < 1310593708 464260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1310593711 711216 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does numberwang work? < 1310593755 938859 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may write an interpreter and release it closed-source < 1310593772 178334 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to watch everyone not bother to do anything about it < 1310593775 874322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, may I ask if you know how the wiki's copyrights are set up? < 1310593777 433064 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spec? < 1310593886 830412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :motion that people stop thinking i'm a wiki admin < 1310593976 951809 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, may I move the existing Numberwang? < 1310593998 709241 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is: a) Orphaned < 1310594004 279365 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) uncategorized < 1310594019 684798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c) a brainfuck derivative < 1310594035 782004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it and see if anyone bothers to undo it. < 1310594041 35306 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :d) not actually uncategorized < 1310594315 294758 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a proper way to link to Wikipedia, or do I just use the external links? < 1310594356 633685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :External links. < 1310594363 705386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have fancy interwiki stuff. < 1310594365 262364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1310594388 718537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor fancy anything, since the version of MediaWiki used is like 5 years old. < 1310594641 512606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: actually [[Wikipedia:...] works afair < 1310594652 611245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *]] < 1310594693 450006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may not be a good idea since it makes the link look internal < 1310594701 713519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also afair) < 1310594804 521134 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call it, when you've got the list, the text between the items? < 1310594822 929152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1310594854 960215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clarify please < 1310594892 441428 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if I wanted to have Numberwang programs as 13! 42! 2! 7! 9!, it would be "!" < 1310594899 134177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :delimiter < 1310594901 867634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1310594955 40954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is moduloed a word? < 1310594960 880382 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, moduloed by four < 1310594981 98728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh in math one usually says "modulo four" < 1310594982 579259 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :misewell be < 1310594994 498865 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed, but in programming we have the modulo operator < 1310595011 614892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (mod 4) in symbols < 1310595092 482344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is not _exactly_ the same as the result of applying modulo by four, it modifies a congruence < 1310595119 482049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 = 11 (mod 4), where the = should have 3 lines < 1310595130 379190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ideally) < 1310595174 15847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that use is afaik considerably older than the use as an operator name < 1310595240 99726 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I said "modulo 4", etc, the sentence would be ambiguous. < 1310595244 102683 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've worked around it < 1310595299 588706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use remainder < 1310595317 451804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that gets more verbose again < 1310595705 669936 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Numberwang < 1310595752 52970 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm offended by the name < 1310595827 548637 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310595829 453257 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be Numberwank. < 1310596193 422133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that would completely defeat the point of the reference. < 1310596201 160613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although my idea was way cooler. < 1310596209 90323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was actually able to make it work. < 1310596333 800789 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was your idea? < 1310596359 562971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The enterprisey jargon that made it look like there was a language where there was none. < 1310596547 523996 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been away from here too long ... is there a good message board / forum to frequent these days? < 1310596567 11022 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not interested in searching months of backlogs ... < 1310596581 819824 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably missed some interesting stuff ... is fizzie here now? perhaps he can sum it up for me < 1310596582 937710 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the message board / forum is too dead to be good < 1310596589 741356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: we mainly just discuss things here and on the wiki < 1310596591 989462 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :Vectron < 1310596599 202104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forum gets the rare message < 1310596615 593892 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget to check the wiki (and should signup / add some stuff one day, e.g. ETA page is woefully slim) < 1310596677 645050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie seems to have been silent for a while < 1310596685 445604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, you mean the general haps of the community, or specific esolang stuff? < 1310596703 698752 :Vectron!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1310596716 150802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, community is entirely the wrong word, but whatever._ < 1310596722 278067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1310596748 551187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like a gentlemen's club. < 1310596795 650951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, that term has been appropriated for strip clubs. < 1310596803 309381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU HAVE TO RUIN EVERYTHING, AMERICANS < 1310596804 597643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1310596809 471153 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a club, that is for gentelmen < 1310596815 676941 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, men who are gentle < 1310596839 322603 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where they can sit quietly and read, or play bridge if they desire < 1310596858 32586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there you have it. < 1310596873 213702 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no were a strip club < 1310596877 20430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants a game of bridge, then? < 1310596885 815707 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know how to play < 1310596887 24173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, who's stripping? < 1310596895 6340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor I! < 1310596903 972808 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn to play bridge sometime < 1310596934 670243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that you can play it on these new-fangled computing machines though. < 1310596961 342667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was directed to http://www.chroniclogic.com/bcs_download.htm when I inquired. < 1310596976 66784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've pasted videos of myself naked here < 1310596987 859827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a bridge? < 1310597001 560262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yes. < 1310597012 749140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, sure, but other than augur, who was watching it? < 1310597033 818842 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WAT < 1310597043 149737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't had a female member in forever. < 1310597049 562643 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE ARE THESE NAKED OKLOPOLS < 1310597054 260933 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know what gender I am < 1310597060 286886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lymee is almost certainly a 40-year-old man.) < 1310597073 412959 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'm male < 1310597079 488585 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i miss naked oklopol :( < 1310597080 403543 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_T < 1310597083 5829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i played something on the piano < 1310597090 289061 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot < 1310597094 146911 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nekkid < 1310597099 198504 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it rich? < 1310597100 922542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, you'll have to comb the logs. < 1310597102 342716 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't we a pair? < 1310597107 836781 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me finally here on the ground, < 1310597111 299639 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You in mid-air < 1310597113 563297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the vids have been moved to a better place. < 1310597116 351517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah, but are you 40 years old? < 1310597119 220287 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: gimme :D < 1310597124 406017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT < 1310597125 516690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPRESSEY < 1310597128 316006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS LIKE 40 < 1310597134 663323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND HE HASN'T BEEN HERE LATELY < 1310597140 339847 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you can't actually see anything :D < 1310597146 175344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ALL MAKES SENSE < 1310597149 185899 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well what CAN i see < 1310597157 375120 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean on the vid < 1310597169 700115 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no i know < 1310597173 407339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not going to be 40 for a while < 1310597175 324132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see my naked arms i suppose < 1310597179 524327 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 years < 1310597186 312606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe, MAYBE, part of my penis < 1310597192 983931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing else < 1310597206 178981 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :O < 1310597209 176916 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd watch that < 1310597221 184561 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually love banging my dick against the keys < 1310597222 488354 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :< augur> oklopol: :O <-- you would, wouldn't you < 1310597230 729052 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, i would < 1310597240 619374 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe i just said that < 1310597259 132248 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am regretting joining this chat < 1310597264 198202 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1310597271 634703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too... < 1310597278 359484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, gay? < 1310597279 772305 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong-gentlemen's-club-y < 1310597281 483298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOMOPHOBE < 1310597292 76723 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, too sexual < 1310597298 682253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEXOPHOBE < 1310597312 274239 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, that just sounds like a woodwind instrument < 1310597330 831823 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of being gay, maybe i should've gone to america instead of europe for my vacation, augur would probably have agreed to meet me (unlike SOME PEOPLE :||) < 1310597335 795627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'b sorry, I can't play the sexophobe right now. < 1310597341 313060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hab a cold. < 1310597344 289294 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ;D < 1310597353 147585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to meet elliott < 1310597354 794731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's like < 1310597355 575149 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: depends on what you were looking to be agreed with about < 1310597357 676305 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i'm busy < 1310597360 317522 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310597375 266861 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how about next week?" "hmm hmm it seems i'm busy sorry" < 1310597381 113854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: um we have at least two people here right now who may be female < 1310597385 173358 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uhhuh, and the week after that is busy i guess?" < 1310597390 467188 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sure seems that way" < 1310597391 394545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, TbH, the part of England elliott lives in is so boring it'd be a waste. < 1310597396 817601 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part? < 1310597412 205766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well, that'd be telling. < 1310597421 578897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Lymee is almost certainly a 40-year-old man.) <-- oh, ok. < 1310597429 384103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait, who's the other? < 1310597430 689634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloril? < 1310597501 992257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I vaguely remember coming across something mildly indicative of femaleness while trying to unravel the mystery of who the hell all these lurkers are.) < 1310597509 439955 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1310597554 729072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am regretting joining this chat <-- you know, there used to much more of this stuff a few years ago :P < 1310597576 891565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sincerely glad I'm a newb, then < 1310597596 105881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the legendary days of 2008, when in the words of elliott the channel should have been renamed to ##gaysex? < 1310597606 880913 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was more active a few years ago. < 1310597626 735040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Elizacat < 1310597632 861384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1310597634 326836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh. < 1310597639 585263 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been in #haskell and #agda primarily, recently < 1310597679 964860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: i was more active a few years ago. <-- THAT WOULD EXPLAIN IT YES < 1310597696 456424 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1310597701 162533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i find gay sex WAY more interesting to talk about than software/unix/compiles/whatever that stuff is you ppl are always whining about < 1310597707 418858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compilers < 1310597745 388664 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh myyyy < 1310597784 856555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::F < 1310597796 602917 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that's not saying much < 1310597820 830241 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll admit *nix is boring, but not THAT boring! < 1310597835 122547 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I've created three esoteric programming languages this year, and they all begin with N < 1310597838 260818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: although funnily i can only recall two people on the channel who are openly gay. (augur being one, of course.) < 1310597842 315899 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, new FreeDOS kernel 2040 released a few weeks ago ;-) < 1310597848 713375 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a complete mental ignore for all of that computer stuff, despite (and perhaps due to) years of trying to get interested in it < 1310597872 223536 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I'm using it now! :-)) < 1310597890 501437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not homophobic, I just don't like talking about sex or nakedness < 1310597894 173894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ive been in #haskell and #agda primarily, recently < 1310597904 483526 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda? < 1310597907 109465 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda! < 1310597914 474644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda. < 1310597916 452176 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why? < 1310597918 10039 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like epigram except it gets released xP < 1310597919 236430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is #agda now full of dependently-typed gay sex? < 1310597928 688524 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh yes < 1310597934 243959 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: parents raised me that way, maybe < 1310597944 276667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's because I'm asexual. < 1310597951 751201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ive been in #haskell and #agda primarily, recently So is #agda now full of dependently-typed gay sex? < 1310597953 142281 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are? cool < 1310597955 483885 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :503) ive been in #haskell and #agda primarily, recently So is #agda now full of dependently-typed gay sex? < 1310597958 464090 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that and insights from mcbride and other shit < 1310597968 543142 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bi- leaning hetero-romantic < 1310597974 698859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, why, is he an expert on gay sex? < 1310597983 443140 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310598005 349309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I recall reading the log of the first time CakeProphet came here and seeing pikhq_ claim that asexuality was literally biologically impossible. < 1310598011 458885 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's kinda gay, i hoped like complete disinterest in relationships < 1310598012 600407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to go into the past and slap him. < 1310598025 981045 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-176.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh, what did I what what? < 1310598035 987164 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Nah, just I rather ironically find sex a turn-off < 1310598044 795500 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, but hes an expert on dependent types! < 1310598048 781687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1310598050 119864 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :icky gross yuck < 1310598105 86267 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you have been in relationships, yes? < 1310598109 344260 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1310598110 170343 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what about MAKING LOVE? < 1310598129 689231 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S JUST A EUPHEMISM FOR THE SAME ACT! < 1310598143 816049 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Got a crush on this girl, though < 1310598149 411013 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mike Love? nah, he's a Beach Boy ^_^ < 1310598152 602418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there's way more love involved < 1310598160 273537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :spewing everywhere < 1310598164 773102 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: uh, i dont know about you but when i make love it requires milk, flour, eggs, sugar.. < 1310598167 918924 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and semen < 1310598182 656574 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look, it's tomorrow < 1310598185 728452 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I better go now < 1310598201 840833 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has nothing to do whatsoever with where the conversation has turned < 1310598203 688556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you chased him away. i should ban the lot of you :P < 1310598204 897882 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1310598205 60391 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1310598216 976012 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1310598220 39109 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PART :#esoteric < 1310598243 264857 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahaha < 1310598272 674537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-0 for the sexual people < 1310598349 659000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1310598361 596932 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elly < 1310598385 510403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three minutes too late. < 1310598409 103612 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott! < 1310598413 324510 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed all the gaysex < 1310598453 387380 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me and augur had a "conversation" < 1310598481 361732 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net QUIT :Quit: boring < 1310598498 1535 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw who reads scandinavia and the world? < 1310598580 788757 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, scandinavians? < 1310598597 824505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's reasonably funny < 1310598607 379297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the ones i've seen linked < 1310598644 676056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i actually started binging it yesterday < 1310598680 59808 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you are finland. just sayin < 1310598692 497127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you missed all the gaysex <-- ok new theory, elliott _is_ Taneb < 1310598731 275037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as cpressey is Lymee. < 1310598738 172410 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pretty stereotypical finn in many ways < 1310598750 7839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1310598769 57280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so you are precisely like that finnish guy on satw, right? < 1310598776 843098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking < 1310598784 472724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know that much about him < 1310598786 333248 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's he like < 1310598793 828668 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you < 1310598796 812002 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1310598805 824494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you arrived 3 minutes after we embarassed him to leave < 1310598824 935291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think we embarassed him? < 1310598855 706588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I TOLD YOU WE HAD GUESTS < 1310598971 336080 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really asexuality is pretty awesome, i could do way more mathing if i was asexual < 1310598985 334597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: recap: Phantom_Hoover called #esoteric a gentlemen's club and then realized what that meant in american. then the discussion passed on to naked pictures of oklopol and someone woke up augur. the rest should be obvious. < 1310599029 892622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he _said_ he didn't like the subject. < 1310599046 881706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : really asexuality is pretty awesome, i could do way more mathing if i was asexual < 1310599050 105839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also denied that was why he left, but... < 1310599056 825841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are testosterone inhibitors available HTH < 1310599060 678641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not liking it != being embarrassed about it < 1310599106 169967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the problem is not so much that i need my 2-5 orgasms a day, more that i start feeling like life is completely pointless if i don't get laid for a week < 1310599137 873721 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, with a living object other than myself < 1310599193 635986 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'd be happy to help you with that < 1310599208 403210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so would the retarded girl! < 1310599221 105133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think it was just a sick joke, since she then just left. < 1310599222 585904 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but a) retarded, b) girl < 1310599226 99748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and broke my heart < 1310599233 906611 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what happened to your girlfriend, anyway < 1310599247 579678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, she wouldn't have sex with him in a bath of coke. < 1310599271 171302 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible < 1310599319 465121 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some issues with her starting serious relationships with other guys, and things lead to another and now she's in africa. < 1310599329 465353 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1310599345 707965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was fine with an open relationship ofc but i'm not really a polyamorist < 1310599357 643431 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a hole is a hole < 1310599378 802900 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also what Phantom_Hoover said < 1310599383 686967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was really the main thing < 1310599409 782378 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, come to maryland. :D < 1310599416 780556 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you < 1310599533 559700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, < 1310599533 789676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're receiving this because at some point in the past, the dice roller < 1310599533 951681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at nomic.net (dice@nomic.net) received a request purporting to be from < 1310599533 951772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your email address. < 1310599533 951827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are happy to announce the deployment of a new dice roller to replace < 1310599534 479955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original one, which is now more than 10 years old. < 1310599547 682632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A NEW AGE OF NOMIC DICE ROLLERS HAS ARRIVED < 1310599575 333816 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1310599664 836034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spamic < 1310599740 480279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lines or the email < 1310599759 12033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 lines is not very spamic here < 1310599772 140268 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 screenfuls maybe < 1310599799 52251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm proud to be a spamerican < 1310599799 927635 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if its 7 screenfulls of lambdabot, its a regular occurance < 1310599805 14224 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or of some other evaluator < 1310599816 376348 :ralc_!~ralc@dhcp233.akk.k-net.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1310599828 647212 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310599831 919355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eviluator < 1310599837 376017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 07:26:45: -!- BeedaWeeda has joined #esoteric. < 1310599866 46294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i didn't notice < 1310599870 627873 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is boily back from wherever he went off to? < 1310599878 958842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 1310542005 7325 :BeedaWeeda!~BeedaWeed@74-45-176-122.dr01.pasn.ca.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310599884 705004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, is that a different isp? < 1310599895 592357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1310599916 21767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: exactly < 1310599920 840021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or debugging < 1310599942 793395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:06:55: The book held the record for the longest sentence in English literature with 13,955 words. That record was broken by Nigel Tomm's one-sentence, 469,375-word book, The Blah Story, Volume 4. < 1310599943 78387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1310599946 490219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing has like fifteen volumes < 1310599961 770019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The tenth volume of The Blah Story by Nigel Tomm was published in 2008. In this volume Nigel Tomm shocks us with (only) one unthinkable word, which is 2,087,214 letters long (read more)!!!" < 1310599978 179851 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1310599982 589310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 'The Blah Story, Volume 10' encloses the world's longest word which contains 2,087,214 letters. The ultra long word was created using very simple algorithm. Nigel Tomm joyfully explains an algorithm of building his extra size word: "Fuse separate words together no matter how cool you think they look singly." < 1310600002 585452 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1310600003 609686 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean people have spent HOURS just debugging bots and shit here which is often just repeating " hello everyone !do stuff the wrong thing to say fucking ass-originating shit bye" < 1310600011 656278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me summarize some facts about world’s longest book/novel - The Blah Story. Nigel Tomm’s abstract novel The Blah Story was begun to publish in the October 2007. In 2007 first 4 volumes were published. In 2008 next 19 volumes were published. For now, 23 volumes of The Blah Story are published, they contain 11,338,105 words; 61,745,771 characters (with spaces); 17,868 pages. < 1310600016 974072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theblahstory.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/the_blah_story_covers_big.jpg < 1310600018 368401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally amazing < 1310600050 42947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:14:57: blah and blah blah to his blah character and then blah blah she was blah blah blah years old she blah blah boys about her so blah blah blah, her blah blah eyes blah blah along the blah blah blah his blah blah lips blah the pattern of a blah of blah on the blah as she blah blah blah and blah him with a blah < 1310600050 205942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:15:03: ...this sounds like such a good read. < 1310600062 991907 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: e_e < 1310600091 989868 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an actual quotation from an actual volume of that actual story < 1310600096 208461 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's art or something < 1310600102 108991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it seems somewhat dubious to consider this "english literature" < 1310600109 996708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i object, this is awesome literature < 1310600114 105774 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :art < 1310600117 12534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or arey ou objecting to the english part :D < 1310600120 982234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310600131 379542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to own everyvolume < 1310600159 837315 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is that an actual quotation from an actual volume of that actual story" <<< someone answer plz < 1310600257 369128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe so < 1310600265 93650 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to read that shit < 1310600281 211537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theblahstory.wordpress.com/ < 1310600282 433447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1310600285 527811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty-three volumes < 1310600289 433896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seventeen thousand pages for you < 1310600303 988033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh and it's available to download. < 1310600313 433250 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Book Title: The Blah Story / Author: Nigel Tomm / # of Words: 11,300,000[citation needed] / Language: English / Reason for Dispute: Text composed mainly of 'blah's.[citation needed] < 1310600317 26594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here’s an excerpt (the first page of The Blah Story, Volume 8): < 1310600317 229675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then blah again to blah this time, where she blah blah with arty blah and blah in blah, took blah the simple blah, and wrote some blah blah poetry, supposedly the blah of a blah blah blah on the blah of the blah blah title My Blah Story: < 1310600317 391854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah me. Blame you. < 1310600317 391978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah you. About you. You blame me. Blah you. < 1310600317 683489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blah as you or blah by blah, < 1310600319 525692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know. You blah. You blah it out of blah. < 1310600321 524596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah blah. Blah blah. < 1310600323 541646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah blah, a blah, < 1310600325 522551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah in blah. < 1310600327 630653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discovers blah and circles < 1310600329 541606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Into blah. ‘My eyes,’ I scream. < 1310600342 613600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to blah or not to blah, that's the blah. for whether it's nobler to blah or to blah, perchance to blah < 1310600346 898917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longest sentence continues – “The Blah Story, Volume 18″ < 1310600347 73662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :June 12, 2008 by theblahstory < 1310600347 235839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eighteenth volume of The Blah Story by Nigel Tomm was published in 2008. The Blah Story, Volume 18 continues the longest sentence everrrrrrrrrrr (sorrry for rrrrrrrrrr’s, sometimes I just can’t control myself). The ultra-long sentence was started in Volume 16 and continued in Volume 17 (read more). For now, the sentence occupies three 812-page The Blah Story volumes (16, 17 and 18) and… there’s still more behind! < 1310600477 751701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'tis < 1310600490 109688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:44: Perl takes lists from Lisp, hashes ("associative arrays") from AWK, and regular expressions from sed. These simplify and facilitate many parsing, text-handling, and data-management tasks. < 1310600490 274711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:54: that's quite a stretch to say that Perl takes lists from Lisp... < 1310600500 688233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Lisp actually introduced the dynamically-sized list structure < 1310600508 379327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a language element, I mean < 1310600850 59156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30:47: I've just had an idea < 1310600850 230016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:31:01: An esoteric programming language based on Numberwang < 1310600850 392917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:31:12: From That Mitchell and Webb Look < 1310600850 393098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE ARE CULTURED, WE KNOW WHAT NUMBERWANG IS < 1310600882 558945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:38:31: something wrong with an infinite -> tree? < 1310600888 490992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe this makes the type system unsound (oerjan?) < 1310600940 15142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:44:45: also, the type of fix is basicaly ((a->b)->(a->b))->(a->b) < 1310600940 276272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:44:50: *basically < 1310600940 438634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:45:12: but writing it as (a->a)->a looks cooler and is marginally more general, even though a not being a function type isn't actually useful with the standard definition of fix < 1310600945 163934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he already got told right after < 1310600990 125564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:48:31: the best you can do is do, say, (int -> int) for [int] < 1310600990 354697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:48:37: where it's a function from index to value < 1310600994 17016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int is a recursive type < 1310600997 281340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bad terminology...) < 1310601078 412621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if unbounded... < 1310601138 905172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see, the context is not lamdba calculus < 1310601139 331759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I believe this makes the type system unsound (oerjan?) <-- ocaml manages... i'd imagine it doesn't hurt more than non-termination in general? < 1310601150 590428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ocaml with -t < 1310601180 353777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:58:50: I love how magical fix is, while being completely definable in Haskell, and also very simple to define. < 1310601180 598214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:59:35: just shows how powerful the semantics are. < 1310601180 760357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:59:45: what's the Haskell definition? < 1310601180 760536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:59:56: fix f = f (fix f) < 1310601181 289488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1310601191 23513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ocaml has a weaker type system than Haskell's... < 1310601194 700356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> oh, he already got told right after < 1310601207 972094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit oerjan why didn't you tell CakeProphet he was wrong :(((((((( < 1310601219 533525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i did? < 1310601226 590267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you did < 1310601228 307112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thnx < 1310601283 439051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:11:06: @pl fix f = let x = f x in x < 1310601283 606634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:11:06: fix = fix id < 1310601283 812653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1310601322 213379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:24:01: Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive) < 1310601322 450762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still love this < 1310601322 614642 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why not support certain common denominators in the towel and start learning perl. i've been using ftp software's network monitor program and mis-typed a command to execute something like that, you < 1310601329 471329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in any case i've always heard that the reason haskell doesn't allow implicitly recursive types is not something fundamental but because it would make too many obvious errors type (presumably involving missing function arguments) < 1310601345 949217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fair enough, but I'm still Suspicious(tm) < 1310601357 510486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i suspect that @pl is confused because it contains fix which @pl uses internally < 1310601386 779922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl fix f = fix f < 1310601386 968398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix = fix id < 1310601404 45658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl alakazam f = let x = f x in x < 1310601404 234069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alakazam = fix < 1310601406 11281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1310601471 32246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:55:14: Hmm, all of TV Tropes' "You Fail X Forever" pages have been renamed to "Artistic Licence - X". < 1310601471 266122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1310601472 439109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl ap = liftM2 id < 1310601472 630230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap = ap < 1310601477 452174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1310601479 296561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wow. < 1310601498 940718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's for the exact reason you fear it is.