< 1310861404 329949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:33:22: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/100_free_dutch_dating_sites_2008 < 1310861417 584095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?tell ais523 Request a copy of the wiki page "100_free_dutch_dating_sites_2008". < 1310861417 979340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1310861530 673974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I can't afford one of those! A grandchild, not a laser printer < 1310861531 833288 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :507) I can't afford one of those! A grandchild, not a laser printer < 1310861578 808454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear 16 year olds with grandchildren are quite rare in england < 1310861602 798864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, although they're set to be common up here. < 1310861614 782804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UK's youngest pregnancy /o/) < 1310861614 964860 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                  | < 1310861615 323011 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                 /´\ < 1310861634 67758 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that even work < 1310861647 603148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: now producing child pornography automatically < 1310862520 276154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:41:03: idgi, in paris and other third world countries the streets are full of all sorts of crooks and everyone still treats you like you're a person; out there everyone assumed i was going to do something fishy < 1310862520 452833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:41:07: i asked like 20 ppl < 1310862520 470804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:41:10: two gave me their phones < 1310862520 470938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:41:26: one typed the number in himself, and looked a bit scared < 1310862520 471025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:41:37: (i'm pretty scary) < 1310862521 684233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:41:53: and the other one was a druggie so he was nice ofc < 1310862525 918624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have nothing to say < 1310862690 126944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310862702 982436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1310862998 955109 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread nothing as something and was confused when you didnt say anything < 1310863028 425503 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the druggie had apparently spent a few years just being stoned all day, like at work as well, then managed to quit and became a financial manager or something with a huge salary, but got sacked now and was real happy about finally being able to move in with his girlfriend. he was looking for some weed for his sleeping problem tho because he'd been prescribed way stronger drugs for it and was afraid he'd get schizophrenic with that stuff. < 1310863050 4291 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*problems < 1310863086 642633 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it exist Fanucci deck suit symbols in METAFONT? < 1310863175 888878 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also had interesting conversations with the non-druggies, for instance there were a couple that went "no", and then also a few that went "" < 1310863414 558252 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and one guy told me in this incredibly annoying way that i could just go see my friend < 1310863467 463226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're SO RELIANT on PHONES, dude < 1310863586 981628 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't have my phone because i would've had to carry it in my hand since my pockets are just holes < 1310863646 808459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i assume "no" and "" are considered lengthy conversations in finland < 1310863673 158147 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310863686 269843 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say happily say no if it didn't defeat my point < 1310863712 288425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, foiled again < 1310863761 737770 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310863792 597070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310863833 352594 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-194-210.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310863845 838199 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310863954 727070 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310864005 619101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1310864007 448961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1310864863 671268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: have you ever consiered visiting oklahoma < 1310864889 59010 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling me a homo? < 1310864921 577870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just a hama < 1310864933 809818 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the anythingest thing about oklohomo so you're going to have to tell me why you asked < 1310865043 763323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying that you should visit oklohama < 1310865056 405814 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i should this? < 1310865080 574594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ok < 1310865413 815187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silo,_Oklahoma < 1310865479 991784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other options include salina, slaughterville, and south coffeyville < 1310865539 869025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310865584 873149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am writing on behalf of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, our 800,000 members and supporters, and other compassionate Americans to ask Slaughterville to change its name [...]" < 1310865686 675583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1310865704 235150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Veggieville < 1310865706 747182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed out the best part < 1310865733 313679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1310865761 706586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The citizens of Slaughterville voiced their opinion by serving free hot dogs and brandishing signs that read, "Beef: it's what's for dinner." < 1310865789 650451 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1310866037 292468 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If that is how they are voicing their opinion, then other people should request something else for dinner. Instead of, everyone eating a same thing for dinner. < 1310866199 121845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the PETA were offering veggie food at the same time < 1310866289 879562 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then it is OK. Because, people can go to whichever source of dinner they want, or both in case some people want to eat both hot dog and veggie for dinner. < 1310866317 91824 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I do not think any of this requires a name change of a city. < 1310866467 806924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16:29: oklofok.. the problem you have IS a real problem.. and youreflect it that nice. no'ones sure its gonna ex- or implode < 1310866468 23236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16:36: and what happens next! < 1310866468 41208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16:55: hagb4rd: can you clarify a bit? < 1310866468 41359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:17:01: no < 1310866471 297885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna addquote this but it's too long < 1310866500 628153 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1310866531 505769 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wouldn't want to be a secondary character in a quote anyway, it just feels wrong < 1310866536 379395 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thegamecrafter.com/publish/selling-your-game < 1310866542 251150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: :D < 1310866552 371417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what < 1310866553 222442 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just arrived at that after reading about Fanucci < 1310866589 794571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: can you link to sevenfold.mid please < 1310866602 405393 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically... you can design boardgames.. and if they get a buyer, they will manufacture the game and sell it splitting the profits with you 50/50 < 1310866616 200208 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating stuff < 1310866642 390909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: thx < 1310866659 161256 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't do it yets < 1310866668 969341 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rnd.fi/oklopol/music/sevenfold.mid < 1310866676 940418 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's the new domain < 1310866680 7346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ha you told me the domain... when it was relevant < 1310866685 380825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnd is much less nice a name than vjn btw < 1310866687 694153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: looks a bit random to me < 1310866700 915787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has oerjan heard the wonders of sevenfold.mid, i am unsure < 1310866709 279215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly not < 1310866715 928462 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sevenfold is a best < 1310866720 234071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i almost never play sounds < 1310866723 355915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's a classic :( < 1310866741 529178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: can you get this performed irl somehow thx < 1310866749 255519 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be the awesome < 1310866749 675678 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition you can sell the game to yourself < 1310866754 49381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i definitely do not play sounds in the middle of the night < 1310866762 603799 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:09 always makes me giggle < 1310866771 496906 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can design a deck of cards and sell them to yourself :D < 1310866794 295205 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh humm.. i dunno if it actually works that way entirely < 1310866806 488257 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if thats considered cheating, or if its cool with them < 1310866827 64224 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems they will do that though < 1310866840 239048 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1310866874 679732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what bpm is the fast bits anyway < 1310866883 670081 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't wanna know < 1310866889 133999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1310866912 343070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's humanly possible to drum that fast < 1310866913 212864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1310866924 310606 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can check if the guitars are playable, the drums are impossible tho < 1310866934 887273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i doubt that < 1310866942 896215 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can create your own card deck of 100 cards for $12.09 .. I dunno how much ordering is on top of that < 1310866964 953552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: like i seriously doubt that < 1310867016 27120 :CakeProphet!~adam@h7.29.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310867016 45199 :CakeProphet!~adam@h7.29.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1310867016 45384 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1310867034 172620 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNcK6paHCZM < 1310867083 653873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i really doubt sevenfold is anywhere near a thousand bpm < 1310867109 864590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i wanted to be known for my feet and now i am, i have the world's fastest feet" < 1310867122 814512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"around 350-360 bpm if my memory serves" um he said over a thousand < 1310867142 687625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that doesn't really look that fast, it's kind of unfair since how many people actually try and set the record for fastest bass drum playing < 1310867151 260033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the least popular drum for fastness < 1310867156 159688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is uncool in school < 1310867157 985123 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I saw that stuff about making a game with cards and selling the game earning 50% profit. < 1310867196 478725 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems fascinating. < 1310867198 530406 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think sevenfold is way faster than that vid at least < 1310867204 214222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but < 1310867206 582203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just play it on another drum < 1310867209 674584 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was linked to that game crafter stuff from Wikipedia < 1310867214 384975 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1310867224 530145 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was following up on your Fanucci comments < 1310867237 769245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is what I guessed. < 1310867256 806590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: can't you open the mid and check the bpm of the drums or is that too much work < 1310867259 516418 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now.. its worth saying.. tarot cards are public domain. playing cards are public domain. < 1310867268 669078 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fanucci... well... i doubt it < 1310867284 685357 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :except no wait.. maybe they are public domain?? cos that dude was selling em < 1310867288 30902 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have three games there, but I (and you and others) can make additional games of Fanucci deck < 1310867328 38710 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever get into serious game dev I may keep it in mind for branching to other media. < 1310867330 72775 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I expect they should be considered public domain except for the designs used by actual decks can be copyrighted. Probably tarot cards can also do that, so can face cards and ace of spades and jokers in a standard French deck < 1310867358 239689 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What they do not mention as far as I can tell is what resolution is used for printing the rules documents < 1310867367 316384 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1310867453 442967 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some tarot decks are for game playing, some are designed for divination, but some are designed for both games and divination (game craft sells such decks). Tarot decks also come in French suited and Latin suited formats. < 1310867486 62180 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I have invented my own Latin suited tarot deck. < 1310867505 156440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: PSHT < 1310867524 945491 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay okay < 1310867531 59592 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a mo < 1310867537 409017 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been trying to shift my life away from the occult a bit recently. Not that tarot is inherently occult. < 1310867540 487640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is designed for game playing and I doubt it would work well for divination) < 1310867543 153264 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But just saying that I have. < 1310867586 957054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the occult kills children < 1310867593 551171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out WHILE U STILL CANNE < 1310867641 872576 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well .. divination attracts liars < 1310867671 673315 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, then use the tarot decks designed for game playing. Note that the Uncarrot Tarot seems designed for really strange divination (it is not compatible with standard tarot), although some games could be played with it too (I had an idea of a trick taking game called "Rulers") < 1310867682 809680 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not saying divination is impossible. < 1310867690 24535 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay it's just 16 beats per second all the way < 1310867692 820078 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am saying it attracts liars though. :-D < 1310867705 454761 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that tarot cards were originally designed for trick taking games, although now other games exist too, as well as divination.) < 1310867724 865732 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes I believe it certainly attracts liars. < 1310867727 88015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=sixteen+per+second+in+per+minute < 1310867729 909842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not helpful gogle < 1310867734 181143 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I am not being offensive to anyone. ^_^ < 1310867741 726883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so offended that i literally barfed, sorry < 1310867787 860359 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i hear someone say x bpm i convert to bps to have any sort of idea how fast that is < 1310867789 54322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: oh so 960 bpm in the fast parts? < 1310867799 668141 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310867809 608739 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use www.wolframalpha.com < 1310867819 495365 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 * 60 is a simple mental calculation < 1310867819 546114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: its just times ixty :-P < 1310867821 731840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixty < 1310867834 692841 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it knows everything < 1310867855 593219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: seems the maximum speed ever drummed is 1200 bpm < 1310867858 700744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in this contest thing < 1310867885 30285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: is it still sevenfold if you only play half the beats :D < 1310867890 136470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you cannot do proper divination with cards anyways, it is meaningless. Although other forms of divination are a bit different. Example, with palm reading, there might (although I am not sure) be some things you can genuinely predict with it, although certainly not as much as they claim, and not with a lot of accuracy < 1310867975 574949 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it would have roughly the same effect on real instruments < 1310867996 53218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course the creases don't do anything themself, so lengthening them with chalk or grease pencil won't help anything. If the creases mean anything at all, they would be based on existing things, such as DNA and so on. Although I am unsure if it is actually possible at all. < 1310868008 34107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: haha < 1310868015 750514 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki page on divination shows that countless objects have been used for purposes of divination < 1310868022 572959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i divined with a cat but it ate me < 1310868032 969953 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it is not the divination page itself but a erlated one < 1310868037 953725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what does the twenty in your name represent < 1310868041 58650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you twenty years old < 1310868044 750872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you actually twenty people??? < 1310868052 478825 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 29, born in 82 < 1310868066 977561 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 20's in my birthdate < 1310868071 256795 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guitar in the beginning is rather impossible to play, since you have 16bps and you're hitting two notes at once < 1310868074 875184 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1310868078 63297 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with two guitars, it's very doable < 1310868092 59463 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a relic of my time on yahoo chat < 1310868101 624716 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i have formally quit yesterday < 1310868106 889874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: so it's two guitars playing at 960 bpm? < 1310868120 368734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: define formally < 1310868132 545273 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes certainly many different ways of divination have been used. There are rules for divination with ordinary (French) playing cards. Of course it is useless but some people might do it for entertainment if you want to, I guess. < 1310868134 6778 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be, if i was playing it. maybe someone can make two sounds at once on a real guitar sounds sensible, but i doubt it. < 1310868136 788452 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1310868141 857649 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at 16 bps < 1310868154 638936 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i popped into my old reg room for about 12 minutes and told them in no uncertain terms that i am leaving yahoo forever. < 1310868303 151493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1310868366 926423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ? < 1310868383 422767 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :several reasons. one is yahoo chat has been going downhill for the last 10 years, kind of like the quality of an apple declines if you trail it behind your car < 1310868387 90070 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :against the road < 1310868394 445289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1310868394 917269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1310868416 913095 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly, the unmoderated nature of chat means it is full to the brim with nasty people < 1310868424 557533 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^it's chat < 1310868483 535145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place is fairly unmoderated too. or well, it was until oerjan came along >:) < 1310868532 981421 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but fuckheads usually don't care about esoteric programming languages < 1310868552 848246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's just that most jerks get serious brain damage if they try to read the channel < 1310868587 834331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOTERIC Y U SO IQ < 1310868588 69595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me i am still here < 1310868607 673216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then *BOOM*) < 1310868619 139804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus "most" < 1310868652 876430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1310868655 797718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there is the occasional one which stays despite the brain damage < 1310868666 899476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not naming names, i assume < 1310868674 872649 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of passive aggressive/conflict avoidant.. but i don't shit where i sleep < 1310868688 414333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah, just plain fax < 1310868691 611545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of a person... but I don't kill bears. < 1310868697 785451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEAN FACTS < 1310868707 415662 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if i have to be an asshole i'll go find somewhere else to do it < 1310868717 826002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're cheating. you're one who breaks rules. < 1310868780 249351 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.. i dont wanna elaborate too much about boring personal side of things < 1310868879 155265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but we have no rules for cheaters to break < 1310868969 933649 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay when actually playing a melody, that speed is waaaaaaaaaay beyond my comfort zone < 1310868988 28515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: good thing sevenfold lacks melodies :D < 1310869003 863649 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err it's all about the guitar melodies < 1310869009 379908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a joke < 1310869040 100819 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay anyway lemme show you my pathetic attempt < 1310869050 909963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cools < 1310869103 387842 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not :D http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/fucckkk.wma < 1310869110 139106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wma :D < 1310869117 668470 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows recorder < 1310869124 623413 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most horrible program ever < 1310869131 946270 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it literally just has a record button. < 1310869134 929895 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*best < 1310869143 470540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: haha wow was it actually this choppy irl < 1310869148 908899 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :D < 1310869151 887340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like your fingers keep slipping < 1310869173 720902 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can hold it steady on one note but argh < 1310869225 837908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it still sounds pretty cool < 1310869232 346825 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has mad guitar skillz < 1310869243 161780 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, at least, I can play it.. < 1310869247 238013 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can try to make a seriouser version < 1310869291 654917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: that would be cool, my friend thinks he can do it and i think he's full of shit < 1310869329 212894 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately these assertions aren't mutually exclusive. < 1310869340 37627 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the beginning isn't that hard, that's just not really a technique i can manage without an amp < 1310869373 187805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the whole thing :-P < 1310869619 626793 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310870102 647356 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310870179 4302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: earth to oklopol < 1310870224 695750 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? < 1310870282 438585 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave up already, did the half speed version but my hand is way too tired from the attempts... :D http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/fuckitall.wma < 1310870303 495557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will listen in some minutes :P < 1310870310 808776 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really do speeds that high so major hand-breaking attempting it < 1310870312 339107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: one day you will figure out the secret. one day. < 1310870664 34004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i kind of like these choppy renditions evene more than the actual opening < 1310870667 353401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]even < 1310871024 309917 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/spacejazz.wma < 1310871036 909485 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too tired < 1310871091 729308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tried again? :P < 1310871103 593653 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no instead i played some space jazz < 1310871252 717231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:51:45: I take inspiration from JRR Tolkein < 1310871252 964570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I, too, am a racist." < 1310871255 258248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still logreading :P < 1310871381 41274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:05:03: I force myself to be iconoclastic and autodidactic in this. < 1310871381 285774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: does this just mean you don't listen to other people < 1310871401 717843 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310871491 930406 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking... < 1310871550 479537 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :still thinking.. < 1310871599 642102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like watching windows install < 1310871670 933822 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :grabbed my soda from fridge... < 1310871765 299016 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the reason for the icono and autod is: I find it very difficult to focus or concentrate. < 1310871775 770012 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasons which make this worse includes. < 1310871810 137130 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in my moms house still at 29 with a brother who works and can push me around when things come down to it. < 1310871857 56346 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have type 1 diabetes which is currently poorly controlled and mild asthma. < 1310871882 721258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1310871948 708301 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combined with my conflict-avoidant passive aggressive non-assertiveness, I gradually grow into a depression. < 1310872047 913420 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310872059 112657 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/spacejazz2.wma more space jazz! < 1310872068 198918 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If despite everything else I did manage to live on my own there is a danger I could have a diabetic seizure without anyone there to help get an ambulance etc. < 1310872107 14997 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't drive, study, work, shower, shave, change clothes, get sunlight, have friends. < 1310872170 929293 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1310872177 90740 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're even cooler than taneb < 1310872194 319269 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i bet you can't play space jazz. < 1310872197 465311 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have phobias of heights and wide open spaces. < 1310872215 339500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not as cool, i do almost 4 of those things < 1310872247 406334 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't drive, avoid sunlight and rarely meet friends < 1310872257 581050 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I seem to think myself into a sort of psychosis, imagining that all my perceptions are just neuron clusters firing. < 1310872258 581295 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mainly because i'm too busy playing space jazz < 1310872266 807164 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310872281 131017 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that sounds pretty cool < 1310872323 647174 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a misconception due to an incorrect understanding of the boundaries of science < 1310872339 139377 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this weird thing where i feel like my brain is on overdrive and i hear weird sounds and shit < 1310872364 852402 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for doing math although actual mental calculation isn't enhanced, i did extensive testing once < 1310872420 786468 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a misconception? < 1310872431 66276 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :space jazz? well there's no way to conceive space jazz that's for sure. < 1310872444 262802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what are the boundaries of science? < 1310872454 790359 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :science can't explain conciousness < 1310872464 799635 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :conciousness is tied in with everything we do < 1310872473 697204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310872476 350733 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus science can't explain anything completely < 1310872476 930484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure if the channel can survive at this point < 1310872482 73689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Jazz < 1310872496 555433 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made a wp page for those two clips? :O < 1310872515 821071 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ron fucking hubbard?!? .D < 1310872532 302252 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to find a new name i guess < 1310872559 639767 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does it lack the esolang topics too much when i am ranting about non-esolang things? < 1310872564 980940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no this just makes it better < 1310872572 860564 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i don't think that's the issue < 1310872589 543492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: it's quite a bit more personal than usual for this channel < 1310872593 799512 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps, yes < 1310872595 84007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also invented a kind of tarot poker, with some new hands, although I have not calculated the probabilities of the hand. The rarest (and therefore best) hand is the "God Flush", which consists of the fool and the four highest trumps. < 1310872606 962804 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm that personal often enough < 1310872637 198122 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the thing is.. all these factors add up to a state where i can't just knuckle down and code < 1310872639 373413 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, my life is awesome so why wouldn't i < 1310872640 891954 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its driving me crazy < 1310872654 297745 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :people think.. oh sure he's not working he could be coding all day < 1310872662 951989 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some sex would be nice < 1310872675 493524 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you know how to calculate some of the tarot poker? < 1310872688 325804 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: it's not a very uncommon problem not to be able to do things you want to do < 1310872707 867255 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: but it's because of stupid shit. < 1310872714 57164 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always because of stupid shit < 1310872718 586365 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1310872746 109292 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case it's usually about... absolutely nothing < 1310872751 144997 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason < 1310872755 885803 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just can't do anything < 1310872760 643057 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except play space jazz < 1310872777 556610 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) i need to improve my diabetes. 2)the main problem with my diabetes is my sleeping patterns. < 1310872784 289612 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I only partially agree that science can't explain conciousness. Science can partially explain consciousness, at least. Although there is the "hard problem" (I prefer the slight variant on the hard problem which I call the "hard mystery") that that cannot be explained completely by science. Science also doesn't always explain philosophical things < 1310872787 559806 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm thinking i should form a band called space jazz and we'd play space jazz < 1310872796 693015 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what our first album will be called? < 1310872796 717295 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) sometimes i have been expected to be awake at a certain hour of the morning < 1310872803 431158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: space jazz? < 1310872814 530481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: will it have sevenfold.mid < 1310872829 546128 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: for me, sleeping 16:00 to 00:00 is pretty normal < 1310872846 255134 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's not really space jazz man < 1310872852 531733 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1310872855 135498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it's every genre imaginable. < 1310872857 326928 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not all of it < 1310872866 502005 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not being in practice allowed to determine for myself when I wake up unless I sleep during the day has a shocking effect on when I go to sleep. < 1310872895 342402 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have great difficultly sleeping when I anticipate someone else waking me up. < 1310872896 199302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: join the bad sleep schedules club < 1310872898 559618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is this club) < 1310872902 420682 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main point of space jazz is jumping around at random, and preferably not too fast except in short spurts < 1310872915 554437 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have diabetes type 1.. im not allowed to have a bad sleep schedule =)) < 1310872930 637337 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live on my own, so i'm too :) < 1310872932 820724 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :drives my endocrinologist to frustration < 1310872944 38452 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have my own -ist :( < 1310872962 260014 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says "shift workers sleep more regular hours than you" < 1310872968 228064 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless my penist counts. < 1310872993 994568 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what do you do all day?" -- uhhmm errr... < 1310873027 983414 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you told him about space jazz? < 1310873031 257566 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you need more sunlight.. your vitamin d levels are too low.. buy some vitamind d pills" < 1310873038 859364 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1310873046 876144 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a piece o spam I wanted to investigate < 1310873076 369937 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now diabetes out of control means i am just always tired and lethargic < 1310873076 551044 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1310873085 39660 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :combined with mild asthma. < 1310873091 379693 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hard to tell which is which at times. < 1310873132 785736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Hmmmmmmmm < 1310873146 37278 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.. I have tried to block out the rest of my house.. I try to soundproof my door as much as I can so that I don't hear my mom on the phone, or her radio < 1310873151 519450 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or people flushing the toilet < 1310873154 22942 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what the point of this is < 1310873170 103076 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like phishing, but I don't see any password or cc number requested < 1310873171 643790 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also so i can turn up volume when my brother is trying to sleep for work < 1310873195 306514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: a lot of spam is like that recently < 1310873196 281806 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a PDF (I used the web viewer, hopefully didn't put myself in danger), possibly malware? < 1310873201 143836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're just trying to see if your email is real < 1310873206 913604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you reply < 1310873213 883195 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok < 1310873221 393005 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310873243 396982 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1310873250 30765 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: why don't you want to hear people flushing the toilet or talking with the radio? < 1310873257 850950 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310873263 918492 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking on the phone and listening to the radio < 1310873287 294751 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have become hypersensitive to noises i suppose < 1310873328 106616 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the DVI file format, note that |y1-down1==w1-right1| and so on. Another thing to note is that all commands with the same name in DVI format as GF format also have the same number assigned! (Very useful when creating WEB or CWEB programs that access both kind of files) < 1310873328 716280 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried saying i'm lazy. But it's more than that. < 1310873362 608291 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is a certain level of my laziness involved. < 1310873375 200569 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lazyness occurs on leaf nodes on the tree of my problems. < 1310873383 920718 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310873411 88706 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm slightly hypersensitive as well, although possibly it's just because i have a slight phobia for damaging my hearing < 1310873448 367026 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the best eyesight in my family < 1310873453 862614 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I value it. < 1310873487 440519 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok heres some trivia about hearing < 1310873492 664105 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have great eyesight < 1310873492 980386 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the SMTP server set up it is very unlikely I can receive spam messages (they will get unreachable server message if they try), although even then I usually read the directly raw message, so it won't render HTML and stuff that can send them information! (I have never received spam messages since I stopped my email account with my service provider) < 1310873514 474503 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when listening to one half of a conversation, the mind/brain apparently tries to reconstruct the other half of the conversation < 1310873546 218757 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to whom? and wouldn't that be kind of an obvious thing to do consciously? < 1310873548 103064 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Also see "Sonata for Unaccompanied Achilles" in "Godel Escher Bach" < 1310873548 503873 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which distracts it < 1310873575 643160 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a safe place to admit i have that book on my pc? < 1310873585 862510 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not particularly distracted by people phoning < 1310873586 647201 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310873590 78315 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Achilles is talking to the Tortoise by telephone so you can try to guess what the Tortoise says, or you can read it without.) < 1310873594 340496 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1310873597 724949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(I have never received spam messages since I stopped my email account with my service provider)" <-- lol < 1310873606 690458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: no that's bannable < 1310873613 608386 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1310873619 367955 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we may just report you to the fbi < 1310873628 893650 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well good thing i don't have such a book < 1310873646 214475 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the world security bureau of dealing with dangerous people and shit < 1310873667 573489 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how doug feels about such things < 1310873690 761373 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i wonder if doug likes space jazz as much as his name implies < 1310873693 28984 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go ahead just don't get caught" < 1310873717 104330 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one famous bisexual < 1310873724 903553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can get "caught" for downloading one book < 1310873748 744229 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if cops admit that stuff to their cop friends openly < 1310873760 615741 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or instead closedly < 1310873765 324072 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure that while it's a safe enough to say, that you never know who's watching < 1310873777 546923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the illuminati definitely dwell here. < 1310873780 534052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :always best to look at the source. < 1310873789 318332 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310873797 29884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not joking. < 1310873800 443104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is elliott babbling about < 1310873801 93385 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not < 1310873805 580466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1310873812 121746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait right < 1310873814 892084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1310873815 71234 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1310873819 300084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: love times < 1310873820 64359 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ' git' wins over ' hg' because hg is too close to the cat's forehead. < 1310873824 695550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1310873834 215059 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't fungot respond im woried < 1310873835 102426 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: gotta get foods. if somebody tried to hand the homework in in c++ so i can do < 1310873844 35670 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too close to the cat's forehead?? < 1310873894 554374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: clearly he didn't want to elaborate about the illuminati < 1310873945 417634 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will fungot respond to this message? < 1310873963 648080 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot...:( < 1310873964 330905 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: meh. now i'm thinking of a function and stop the eval loop? :) < 1310873989 440770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: clever guy < 1310874019 7598 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: so to wrap up my answer. it may be i am those big words i used because of my inability to focus and concentrate lately. < 1310874028 395956 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do that trick with two bolds but doesn't +c kill that < 1310874040 468068 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some 0-width thing that works < 1310874045 947051 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may itself be due to lazyness on the leafnodes of my particular problems as seen in a top-down form. < 1310874049 201466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes +c kill that I think. < 1310874066 183559 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cancels out some control characters. < 1310874107 598206 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "No color" but actually it removes some control characters from the message. < 1310874147 707401 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is some bad shit going down in here it is in my nature to become outspoken about it, and bite off more than I can chew. < 1310874155 898826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's nothing wrong with fungot < 1310874156 77750 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by this i do not < 1310874156 439316 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then eventually have an emotional meltdown about it. < 1310874164 487590 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps, to become one of the bad peopel. < 1310874175 779887 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" elliot: so to wrap up my answer. it may be i am those big words i used because of my inability to focus and concentrate lately." <<< i thought it was concise enough as it was < 1310874231 305266 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. just tell me to leave if there is something like that.. to spare us all the pain < 1310874234 574365 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310874284 28439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bad shit < 1310874285 531836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1310874291 160077 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care what people are doing to themselves of course. banging 7 rocks is fine with me. < 1310874319 4504 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused did I miss something < 1310874333 618916 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if there is a subtle manipulative undercurrent where people are being exploited for money or some crap < 1310874343 853111 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i'm not following you :D < 1310874392 268477 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a weakness i have to act the hero < 1310874395 444804 :hag[4]rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a58.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1310874404 340374 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't < 1310874405 419702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: well i've banned people for emotional meltdowns before < 1310874415 274450 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a meltdown i assure you < 1310874420 837820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell < 1310874422 145134 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is merely explaining who i am < 1310874430 160589 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... fun guy/chick dude? < 1310874438 700001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was rather obvious the other times < 1310874455 259693 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :meltdown is like when i say I AM LEAVING IRC FOREVER... YOU KNOW WHY.. GO TO HELLLLLLLLL < 1310874458 907102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask a question please. https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard/boards AsK a QuEsTiOn PlEaSe? < 1310874553 126552 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only really a problem with women anyway < 1310874559 389933 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhahahhaa < 1310874585 462178 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not a mysogynist < 1310874602 405968 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is like saying all spider bites are caused by spiders < 1310874619 916432 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though not all spiders bite < 1310874647 682804 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :though certainly they may be in self defence < 1310874663 910569 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm hrm < 1310874668 269977 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not touching what you just said < 1310874678 426327 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there certainly is something to touch < 1310874722 990221 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit of a misogynist, men and women are different in almost every way, even their penises look different. < 1310874726 920481 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys are certainly not perfect but they tend to hover around women if they are assholes < 1310874790 211980 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think assholes and non-assholes hover around women equally gladly < 1310874802 610608 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the women tend to reject non-assholes more < 1310874811 557606 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-j < 1310874813 703336 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously, they are pretty pointless people aren't they < 1310874815 24765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you really going down the Nice Guy route < 1310874816 23124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1310874827 472972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please turn off +c, i need to bold "really" < 1310874837 989886 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you really going down the are you really going down the nice guy route route? < 1310874840 352894 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1310874843 986412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yes. yes i am < 1310874863 461412 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well that's cool i guess. < 1310874939 585095 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really that women prefer assholes, it's that people who aren't after pussy will usually give up way before the girl even considers paying serious attention to the guy < 1310874954 952710 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people try to ignore everything unless you shove it down their throart < 1310874956 634179 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*throat < 1310874964 28292 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO PPL HOW DID YOU LIKE SPACE JAZZ? < 1310875018 351601 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could say its a reverse definition that a guy who competes well for girls will be percieved as an asshole by his peers who cannot match him < 1310875039 283023 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i doubt < 1310875039 403140 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it tends to carry over into a generalized assholeness < 1310875080 628170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, too, characterise the world so that people who do things not beneficial to people like me are generalised in purely negative terms < 1310875082 292971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1310875083 802670 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stick to my shove it down her throat thing. not just because i'm into facefucking and space jazz, but also because it makes more sense. < 1310875163 42894 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stay away from people < 1310875165 125365 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are gross < 1310875264 544783 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're using them wrong? < 1310875268 138872 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i would say that in that definition simply leaving you to your own devices is very much beneficial to you < 1310875270 977189 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1310875401 222574 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im still figuring stuff out < 1310875415 405750 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what stuff? < 1310875438 292127 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the best way to characterize people < 1310875467 362706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do it < 1310875469 489147 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb gotta make some sandwiches < 1310875479 257333 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say it's best not to, what little characterizing is useful you will do automatically < 1310875676 683902 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dog has been let outside < 1310875686 798651 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to inject insulin < 1310875691 844714 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye dog, hello insulin < 1310875798 176156 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally a small note in a log i am keeping to try to improve my diabetes treatment < 1310875822 689604 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stop thinking of sgeo < 1310875826 212460 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his tylenol < 1310875833 241793 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone help < 1310875890 304998 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20 certainly reminds me of Sgeo__ < 1310875898 478712 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly don't complain about these things at all normally.. but when analyzing wh--dog barks let him back in-- why i am unproductive it comes up < 1310875956 596840 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i don't mind your complaining, as long as you have fresh material. < 1310875972 828840 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's complaint repetition that's annoying < 1310875973 913491 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310875981 141612 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1310875992 74208 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what's not annoying when repeated? < 1310875996 700685 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will be due to have another snack such as a sandwich in 90mins < 1310876001 849939 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :space jazz? < 1310876007 237245 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310876009 533077 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! < 1310876015 355798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: link monqy to the space jazz he needs it < 1310876021 324996 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need it < 1310876024 965728 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, please note that this is a publically logged channel, so if you mind a particularly determined stalker learning all this, probably best not to say it here. < 1310876028 768421 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the hypocrite. < 1310876047 575890 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tylenol and insulin party < 1310876058 445864 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric logs, good times < 1310876070 689904 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yw in advance http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/spacejazz.wma and http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/spacejazz2.wma < 1310876072 159779 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: thank you. have I revealed too much? perhaps I should stop now. < 1310876098 447193 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ty < 1310876105 89228 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1310876151 388383 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, I personally don't mind, but I have annoyed others by sharing my problems constantly, so < 1310876167 857690 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although tbh I haven't been paying much attention < 1310876176 568672 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :life used to be so easy < 1310876179 290390 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or again, if the public logging scares you < 1310876210 809108 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you believe i composed those songs in just a few minutes?!? < 1310876216 307435 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a fucking genius :D < 1310876267 111731 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean anyone can put a few random notes together but not everyone can do what's that like 30 at least < 1310876284 907176 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't compose < 1310876290 988280 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i might be able to put 100 notes in the same song < 1310876294 771176 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can put random notes together though < 1310876312 955625 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be a one night project of course, since i only remember like 13 different notes < 1310876431 225435 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, it feels as if when growing up I missed out on the part where nature teaches us to think up sounds as a painter thinks up a painting < 1310876460 945865 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it is that i can think up the sounds but i can't translate them to musical notes < 1310876545 160399 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :therein lies the skill < 1310876552 487733 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the thing about mixing personal stuff with this channel is some people here (me at least) consider this a safehaven from all rational thought and especially all seriousness. (there have been some special circumstances when regulars (who are better people by irc law) have personal problems.) < 1310876576 259815 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm food would be cool < 1310876588 758361 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. :) < 1310876618 218644 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think my rantings deserve to technically count as a special circumstance < 1310876647 784658 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to keep this in mind. < 1310876680 77131 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : mind(this) < 1310876702 66788 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : I.try { mind(this) } < 1310876731 805525 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : I.try { static mind(this) } < 1310876739 545336 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1310876753 550261 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1310876758 437548 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: i was not referring to you in particular (or perhaps at all) < 1310876789 192702 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :try as in a try {} catch {} < 1310876806 583869 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :static as in keep it < 1310876827 433178 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind(this) as in "this in mind" < 1310876840 762872 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like sharing a lot of details of my life here, but i only do it when i'm comfortable with laughing about them. so there's a 5 minute delay. < 1310876841 255912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Brave Sir Oerjan ran away, he bravely ran away < 1310876926 617587 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway about those topological spaces < 1310876942 282851 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a topology? < 1310876965 984430 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question! < 1310876972 31005 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to use the most academic terms. < 1310876988 128628 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing dumbed down .. make it easy on yourself < 1310877018 280454 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if X is a set, then a topology on it is a collection T of subsets of X that's closed under arbitrary unions and finite intersections, and X and {} are in T < 1310877050 8791 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now this is very general, and you will get all kinds of crazy spaces, so usually you add certain additional things < 1310877108 715222 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, there's a whole list of standard additional axioms you can add < 1310877111 497088 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am i kidding.. i'll try wiki simple english. i just had to hear it how it would be actually said. < 1310877128 833764 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get all the words? < 1310877145 350781 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what "closed under" means? < 1310877164 375990 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_space < 1310877221 992112 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i'm doing the second paragraph first < 1310877224 398428 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just doing < 1310877234 513275 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple english is awesome. < 1310877249 927887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan has quit (Quit: Brave Sir Oerjan ran away, he bravely ran away) < 1310877250 622663 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even this page will wrack my brain while i digest it < 1310877250 795729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. < 1310877274 657869 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One can think of only certain sets as open, or more sets as open." < 1310877298 617349 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should win like a the best sentence award < 1310877311 372580 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :do these words like open and closed fail if used as literal analogies of their usual meaning? < 1310877354 488655 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :their usual meaning has nothing to do with their definition < 1310877358 856510 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that you can have things both closed and open, so yes < 1310877366 272056 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it's way too far from it to be useful < 1310877391 372167 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: you have things both open and closed (clopen, believe it or not) in every topological space < 1310877421 338698 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the proof of this is a oneliner < 1310877421 357152 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way to have a topological space that doesn't contain clopen things? < 1310877423 336948 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh < 1310877424 974339 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1310877480 288162 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: it's pretty obvious from the definition really, first of all what set *could* the necessarily clopen thing be in all topological spaces? < 1310877493 285588 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, what's a good guess for a set with a special property < 1310877506 140795 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :null. But I think I heard that in that video... < 1310877521 122028 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :null, and then what's the second most special thing? < 1310877541 480646 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: you don't have to look inside the space < 1310877545 18932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what if u...constructed a set...with its own element < 1310877547 388081 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set containing null, I guess (kind of like 1?), but that hardly seems special... oh < 1310877550 362363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN WHAT????????//////////////////// < 1310877556 603037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that logic < 1310877577 196381 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm.. not sure < 1310877589 87847 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in any case null was correct < 1310877592 566945 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you prove it's clopen? < 1310877611 550689 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a topology is a collection T of subsets of X that's closed under arbitrary unions and finite intersections, and X and {} are in T" < 1310877641 532939 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :recall that C closed set iff X \ C \in T < 1310877651 954982 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ being set subtraction < 1310877658 364343 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is a closed < 1310877688 658408 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1310877743 204745 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-C is in T, what's X? A superset of the universe? < 1310877759 481517 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, C contains nothing contained within the topology? < 1310877766 141211 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is the underlying space we started with < 1310877783 184321 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a set X, and T, the topology of X, is a collection of subsets of X < 1310877788 757626 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the properties i listed < 1310877807 1772 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo, my client is missing some chars.. so can you spell out to me what is actually shown in the line "iff X ? C ?in T" < 1310877820 627687 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't show ?'s < 1310877823 243197 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: it's just X - C in T < 1310877825 930914 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it showed something < 1310877837 629930 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well notice i typed a "?" < 1310877840 116152 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set "C subtracted from X" is in the set T < 1310877842 964483 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was in place of the "?" < 1310877850 835905 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :backslash < 1310877851 382157 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1310877852 575788 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as X contains null, if C is null, X-C is ... wait what < 1310877855 400611 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1310877858 742304 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too tired for this < 1310877870 24582 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason the font i am using uses a yen symbol for a backslash sometimes < 1310877873 920998 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible for X not to contain null? < 1310877875 969506 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: yeah, what's a set minus null? < 1310877883 664006 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: X might not contain null. < 1310877883 780422 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set < 1310877891 487108 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what's "contain"? < 1310877899 191052 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously X is a superset of the empty set < 1310877905 240095 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, I'm getting mixed up < 1310877908 496528 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't have to have {} as an element < 1310877914 810425 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : recall that C closed set iff X \ C \in T < 1310877922 862173 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310877942 506361 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok using arial now.. screw it < 1310877945 328431 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :T must contain null if it contans all subsets of X < 1310877972 648054 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that fact's needed here, I think < 1310877976 754941 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :T doesn't have to contain all the subsets of X < 1310877982 337749 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1310878000 668249 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah some other font this will do < 1310878001 384400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for some reason the font i am using uses a yen symbol for a backslash sometimes < 1310878004 162124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese locale < 1310878011 442971 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it contained all subsets of X, then it would be pointless to assume closure properties for it! < 1310878033 468554 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :higashi -- quickly our cover is blown < 1310878040 721554 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :meet at port 19 < 1310878054 341262 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that T has to contain X, but that seems to be again... althoguh I guess since sets can be nested... but then, it shouldn't have to contain X < 1310878088 725617 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: by definition T contains X < 1310878092 836123 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, as an element < 1310878099 99600 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok < 1310878114 440522 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sir you just told them our meeting place. < 1310878120 27251 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, X / C is still X, which is obviously, as asserted by you, in T < 1310878121 231049 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} and X are in T, and T is closed under finite intersections and arbitrary unions (i assume you know what this means because you don't ask) < 1310878131 941169 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: yes, and what does this tell you? < 1310878137 195018 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Null is closed. < 1310878152 821480 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1310878159 577030 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's prove it's open as well < 1310878170 631854 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :recall U is open iff it is in T (that is, T is the set of open sets) < 1310878177 625442 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me warn you < 1310878181 90703 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this WILL BE DIFFICULT < 1310878184 699877 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is iff different than if? < 1310878188 800319 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yes < 1310878190 274457 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, yes < 1310878191 878573 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iff means if and only if < 1310878191 952138 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1310878195 384446 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iff means "if an.. dangit < 1310878206 49044 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifd < 1310878206 977055 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, if one is true, the other HAS to be true < 1310878209 961098 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in natural language, if sometimes means if and only if as well, but in math we make a clear distinction < 1310878212 354788 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ii mean < 1310878215 95209 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iad < 1310878217 646550 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :id??? < 1310878220 975581 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other way around < 1310878237 288490 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: do you have the proof? < 1310878238 588636 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION almost omitted the distinction between if and iff, that's scary < 1310878258 239085 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, is this a different T? < 1310878259 650711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghost story < 1310878261 319414 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :recall that {} is in T by definition < 1310878265 33910 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1310878265 216937 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when i say i am dumbest here... now you get the idea ^_^ < 1310878268 145027 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you prove {} is in T? < 1310878313 704730 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's by definition, probably not, otherwise it would be a redundant definition. Well, yes, but by direct and immediate appeal to the definition. < 1310878314 173135 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: no same T, we're taking an arbitrary space X with arbitrary topology T and proving that even for this particular choice, {} is clopen. < 1310878338 14511 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: i'm confused, does "{} is in T" follow from "{} is in T" or not? < 1310878355 880981 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's a pointless thing to ask < 1310878360 354379 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not! < 1310878367 474275 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else would we prove our theorem < 1310878370 503307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :attitude to your teacher Sgeo__ < 1310878382 500444 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, the answer is yes < 1310878385 40729 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that tell us? < 1310878394 147897 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :given what we proved earlier < 1310878409 685107 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then null's trivially open < 1310878423 389452 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so it's clopen! < 1310878426 980817 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is "{} is in T" part of the definition? Also, must learn to never take oklofok literally < 1310878438 465865 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not take me literally? why? < 1310878447 467871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to be taking him more literally < 1310878448 974191 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklofok> let me warn you < 1310878449 155807 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklofok> this WILL BE DIFFICULT < 1310878469 748118 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Why is "{} is in T" part of the definition?" <<< umm, because we want {} to be open? < 1310878490 156229 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, null is clopen because we want it to be? < 1310878522 772971 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying we should make the definition of a topological space more complicated so it would not be as easy to prove {} is clopen? < 1310878525 794796 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what are you saying < 1310878540 245681 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's.. um. Ok, why is a definition of a topology where {} doesn't necessarily need to be contained in the topolgy not a useful definition? < 1310878557 64122 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just easier to have {} be in there? < 1310878563 261322 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's clopen because we want it to be. anything you prove for a general topological space is true because we want it to be. we proved it from the fucking axioms we chose. < 1310878589 850220 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" That's.. um. Ok, why is a definition of a topology where {} doesn't necessarily need to be contained in the topolgy not a useful definition?" <<< usually you will get {} open anyway < 1310878604 802294 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if you have two disjoint open sets < 1310878637 447639 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :their intersection is open (finite intersections of open sets are open) so the empty set is open < 1310878660 33660 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1310878693 703593 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310878701 109504 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway usually we don't do stuff with this kind of generality < 1310878706 116451 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually we start with a metric. < 1310878830 937579 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: X is also clopen; in fact, if C is clopen, then X - C is always clopen, again the proof is a one-liner < 1310878862 218992 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since C being clopen means C and X - C are both open... < 1310878890 8407 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this is not the best place to start learning topology < 1310878896 721888 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this material < 1310878918 332030 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best way to start learning math < 1310878934 894818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: what, proving a tautology? < 1310878945 875351 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for learning topology without learning math, it's certainly a sucky way :D < 1310878966 176870 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we would've gotten to metric spaces next and those are soooo easy < 1310878973 762473 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just that it's being done on RIC that's bothering me < 1310878974 856667 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC < 1310879004 623532 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1310879004 747578 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, what's a metric? < 1310879013 931595 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I barely remember the definition of closed < 1310879036 824673 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or of a topology < 1310879048 258993 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed = complement of a closed set < 1310879091 471615 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :topology = collection of subsets called open sets, in particular at least {} and the space itself, such that all finite intersections of open sets are open sets as well, and all unions of open sets are open < 1310879100 731263 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember? repeat! < 1310879106 917017 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :metric is: < 1310879134 697913 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an infinite intersection? < 1310879138 31488 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let X be a space. then a metric on X is a function d : X * X -> R such that: d(x, x) = 0 for all x, d < 1310879140 651613 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1310879145 107866 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1310879153 894733 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just accidentally pressed enter < 1310879187 174930 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let X be a space. then a metric on X is a function d : X * X -> R^+ (nonnegative reals) such that: d(x, x) = 0 for all x, d(x, y) = d(y, x) and the triangle inequality holds < 1310879200 14625 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared that I won't remember this any more than that beautiful demonstration of why e^ix = cos x + i sin x < 1310879218 805627 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :triangle inequality = d(x, z) <= d(x, y) + d(y, z) < 1310879230 751454 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are really obvious things to ask from a metric if you think about it < 1310879243 128498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: logs exist < 1310879247 412144 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are X any old things, or are they necessarily numbers? < 1310879255 111478 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: X can be any set < 1310879286 42554 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so that makes sense. I think. < 1310879301 195835 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're measuring distances so obviously it's 0 from x to itself, and obviously it's the same from x to y as it is from y to x. the triangle inequality just says you can't get from x to z faster by going through a third point y. < 1310879322 991611 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuitively, thinking of points is easier for why it's <= and not =, I think < 1310879350 644826 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well = wouldn't really make sense < 1310879365 612330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the triangle inequality just says you can't get from x to z faster by going through a third point y." < 1310879366 950512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wormholes qed < 1310879368 71690 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :going from x to x is 0, but going from x to x via another point obviously gives you some distance < 1310879368 113132 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does if you're foolishly imagining X to be real numbers < 1310879377 572390 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: no! < 1310879394 393123 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(0, 0) = 0 but d(0, 1) + d(1, 0) = 2 < 1310879394 760956 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, I see < 1310879408 818923 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual metric on R is |x - y| < 1310879418 173436 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(distance is always nonnegative, obviously enough) < 1310879465 830869 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now the cool thing: if X is a space (that is, a set) and d is a metric on it, then d "induces" a natural topology for X < 1310879491 418717 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inducing just means we can associate a topology to X once we have a metric < 1310879517 826697 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there can be other topologies for X? < 1310879530 957199 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topology is: U is open if and only if for all x in U, there is some r such that B_r(x) \subset U where B_r(x) is defined as the set {y | d(x, y) < r} < 1310879541 677136 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: yes, many many many topologies. < 1310879549 435577 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many many many metrics < 1310879568 774482 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any topologies for which there isn't a corresponding metric? < 1310879572 972818 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1310879581 162061 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a topology is called metrizable if there is a metric for it < 1310879587 187454 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most natural topologies are metrizable < 1310879594 555037 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1310879607 623183 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open == it's in the topology, right? < 1310879611 720757 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1310879632 753266 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so note that B_r(x) is just a ball around x < 1310879646 519866 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the | notation mean < 1310879662 714598 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{y | d(x, y) < r} means every y such that d(x, y) is less than r < 1310879668 931897 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of all such y that is < 1310879725 930791 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for each x in U, it has to be possible to make a ball of some size around it? < 1310879739 778894 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-0 size < 1310879752 885722 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1310879762 459426 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ball which is still completely inside U < 1310879776 383321 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok. < 1310879779 964158 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically open sets are ones that have no points "at their borders" < 1310879838 419574 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a set that has points at the borders, is not open, and therefore not in the topology? < 1310879846 313111 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... hmm < 1310879862 648485 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. assuming your intuitive idea of a border is correct. < 1310879868 530737 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so okay now the metric has given us a set of open sets. what's missing? < 1310879874 612285 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a topology? < 1310879885 93324 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You listed other conditions for a topology < 1310879906 429312 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, intersections (finite?) of open are open, and unions of open are open < 1310879909 970266 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1310879933 887648 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to show this collection of open sets actually satisfies what we require from a topology < 1310879950 798796 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :first the trivial things: {} and X need to be open. are they? < 1310879954 6346 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of intuitively thinking of a plane. < 1310879965 983690 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead < 1310879969 134018 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all do < 1310879985 670646 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing in {} that needs to be able to have a ball around, so yes. < 1310879991 308017 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that stuff out of the actual proofs :) < 1310879994 242738 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1310880003 443617 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} is rather trivially open by that definition of open < 1310880005 668285 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about X? < 1310880052 99530 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :X can't have borders with contents. I don't see anything we've done that prevents that. (X isn't the topology, but that which contains the topology, right?) < 1310880071 12415 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we don't actually have the concept of a border < 1310880095 59205 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to apply the definition: X is open iff for all x in X there's a ball around x that's completely within X < 1310880107 127394 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there? < 1310880129 642994 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's preventing X from having a point at infinity, so to... well, the definition of the metric, I guess. < 1310880161 953740 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R^2 + a point at infinity is a metric space. < 1310880192 396718 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Thought d() had to return a real non-negative number? Infinity would be an extended real < 1310880225 120957 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :distances have to be finite yes < 1310880225 869148 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the ball be infinitely large? < 1310880230 34059 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1310880242 654688 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean you can't make a metric for R^2 + a point at infinity < 1310880273 426489 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. But then, that doesn't capture what I was trying to get at with the point at infinity, which is being unable to make a ball around it < 1310880273 444387 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual topology of R^2 is given by all kinds of different metrics! you're right in that the usual one doesn't directly extend for R^2 + point at infinity. < 1310880338 156379 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why couldn't you make a ball around it? < 1310880343 851606 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can make a ball around anything < 1310880370 325895 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the ball could partially extend in the wrong direction? < 1310880370 616779 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ball or radius r around x \in X is the set B_r(x) = {y \in X | d(x, y) < r} < 1310880397 202507 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type y \in X is very important, i figured that's obvious but maybe it's not at all < 1310880428 582359 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why X would have to contain all the contents of the ball. But honestly, I get the impression that the correct answer is supposed to be that yes, X is open. But I just can't get there. < 1310880431 942580 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's just X is our only source of points so where else could y be) < 1310880448 340570 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: by definition, X contains all the points of a ball < 1310880452 451849 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :B_r(x) = {y \in X | d(x, y) < r} < 1310880457 843119 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a subset of X < 1310880489 74551 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, what about an X with exactly 1 point? < 1310880499 726994 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then there's itself at distance 0 < 1310880503 569058 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310880508 154002 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else afai < 1310880509 251758 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1310880544 722528 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at B_r(x) again and realizes that the distance can be 0. Ok, yes, X is open. < 1310880545 786754 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :B_r(x) is a subset of X that occasionally looks like something you and i might call a ball. < 1310880563 756546 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, X is open, what ball did you find around the point x \in X? < 1310880584 92290 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire universe, if r is large enough < 1310880596 977333 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the entire contents of X < 1310880596 995223 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no r needs to give you the entire universe < 1310880603 22009 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the melodramatics < 1310880614 332763 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't in the case of R^2 for instance < 1310880620 847800 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's occasionally called the universe < 1310880623 529971 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1310880623 723536 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1310880654 914436 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at the very least, for every x in X, there's a ball around itself containing it, and possibly others. < 1310880684 638640 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well perhaps you just don't know what i want you to say: any r > 0 will do. say r = 1. < 1310880709 153188 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1310880710 811520 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, not let U_1, ..., U_k be a finite family of open sets. we need to show their intersection is open as well. < 1310880737 823575 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not just an application of the definitions, although not that much more either < 1310880741 197820 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not let? < 1310880747 59339 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now let < 1310880793 466800 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you have to do is take the intersection U = U_1 \cap ... \cap U_k, consider a point x \in U, and show that there's a ball around x that's completely within U. < 1310880815 588909 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cap? < 1310880820 766992 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :latex for intersection < 1310880923 652317 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually union is a bit easier < 1310880947 36998 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that unions can be arbitrary, you could even have an uncountable number of open sets that you're taking the union of < 1310880949 799811 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, concentration lapsing < 1310880958 189208 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1310880962 398067 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eats to buy -> < 1310880984 769741 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1310881004 574921 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :food < 1310881025 230103 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to go to the shoppe < 1310881674 773035 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310884387 344008 :sebz!~sebz@75-172-244-233.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310885233 975591 :sebz!~sebz@75-172-244-233.phnx.qwest.net PART :#esoteric < 1310886102 662415 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1310886115 307418 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaah*, fucking up the railroading in D&D. < 1310886217 539987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :More context? < 1310886262 27493 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person held in a prison that was in an antimagic field, nigh-impossible to break, DM figured we'd give up pretty soon. < 1310886289 775106 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the player can figure it out, that is how you play D&D. By figuring out solutions to those kind of things. < 1310886334 48447 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, we used pretty much every buff, turned a handy corpse into a giant stone javelin, and made an opening using a strength of 46. < 1310886345 504061 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely, but hey. < 1310886381 777440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is how it is done. The game is better with these kind of situations at least my opinion. < 1310886387 84748 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm just saying, I love coming up with ridiculous solutions to problems that weren't intended to be solvable. < 1310886395 652719 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it really *does* make it a better game. < 1310886400 693592 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I agree. < 1310886451 289134 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, if you have the sorts of players that would actually do that. < 1310886452 296551 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if the ridiculous solution might involve mathematics. < 1310886495 131114 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is, of course, the most fun sort to play with) < 1310886500 44916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the sorts of players that would actually do that. And the DM sometimes makes such things and I tell him to make such things too < 1310886594 246911 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested starting a Level 20 campaign (note: D&D 3.5 edition). The DM said both of us start with no money, no equipment. Both of us agreed. I selected the Spell Mastery feat twice. < 1310886608 108307 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :) < 1310886626 245769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother selected the Soulknife class, which can create weapons by psychic energy. < 1310886686 472295 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have 5 Wizard levels, he has 12 Soulknife levels. Neither of us has multiclassed yet (although I plan to).) < 1310886695 202782 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Druid's probably a good choice, too. < 1310886715 747619 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Equipment? Fuck that, I'm a fucking elemental." < 1310886731 404746 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I also selected Eschew Materials (one of the useful uses of this feat in this situation) < 1310886769 799084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Druid would work too. Although you would have to find an item to use as divine focus (not too difficult, just look in the trees). < 1310886798 893977 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of us character sheets I have copied into the computer and you can view them if you want to. < 1310886826 514931 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not particularly interested; I can pretty well figure out where you went with the build, and I' < 1310886832 578145 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m likely to go to sleep somewhat soon. < 1310886837 298937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1310886847 145940 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat campaign idea, though. :) < 1310886914 336370 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have also agreed a bit on the story (part of it has changed somewhat from the original (I didn't know at first) due to the character choices, although now it all makes sense with the choices. My character helped his character escape from an island having slaves (he was a gladiator slave) by a merchant ship. We wear nothing but rags. < 1310887146 828651 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also suggested that his character could multiclass into Warlock class, having an unlimited use of eldritch blast, up to 250 feet if you learn the correct invocations for that!) < 1310887185 35166 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since the thrown mind blades do not have that much range) < 1310887241 925856 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note also both of us created our character without knowing each other's character ahead of time. I made this suggestion. < 1310887769 128961 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-22-176-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310888528 559931 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wut. Openly gay man voted to statewide office... In *Utah*. < 1310888580 412275 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut < 1310888669 417059 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, chairman of the Democratic Party in the state. < 1310888692 914671 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :still pretty aweosme < 1310888709 445420 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. Fucking *Utah*. < 1310888727 984871 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It wasn't non-Austin Texas < 1310888768 201466 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Bit more notable, actually. 60% of Utah is Mormon. < 1310888802 747105 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is so rabidly antigay that they're just shy of lynch mobs. < 1310888863 76605 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally... 60% of Utah is registered Republicans. < 1310888886 362940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310888897 418925 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likely the same people, actually. < 1310888907 961774 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, yeah < 1310888919 129700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1310891348 147652 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-14.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310891738 423656 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310891743 911899 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1310891923 380482 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello? < 1310891927 398010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, < 1310891948 168507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1310892430 392320 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello# < 1310893191 105224 :CakeProphet!~adam@h7.29.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310893191 123192 :CakeProphet!~adam@h7.29.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1310893191 123317 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1310893211 850557 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1310893257 110007 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what is more delicious than M&M's? < 1310893293 942225 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h7.29.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310893298 488337 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :M&M's with a ball of pretzel inside. < 1310893301 875838 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1310893311 924048 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1310893334 657410 :CakeProp1et!~adam@h7.29.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1310893344 255800 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how that happened. < 1310893673 187421 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very amused by events in #jesus < 1310893744 580774 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Those events are over now though, no point n joining now < 1310893754 365899 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Why do you torture yourself so? < 1310893769 621576 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because sometimes amusing things happen? < 1310893899 643855 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Jason was ranting on and on about something, Eliyahu was posting his usual apocalyptic junk. Op yelled at Jason, Jason said Eliyahu was spamming, asked op to boot them. Op asked if he wanted him to boot the troublemaker, Jason said to boot the spammer, Jason gets booted. < 1310894089 724403 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of spam on the wiki < 1310894097 805107 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, switching computers < 1310894099 790168 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 QUIT : < 1310894145 310412 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310894162 282177 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1310894973 433175 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello? < 1310895153 652348 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PART :#esoteric < 1310895157 932934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310895488 379729 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PART :#esoteric < 1310895492 943554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310895637 186527 :GuestIceKovu!x@ANantes-259-1-169-11.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1310895674 569386 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you sure you can figure out where I went with the build? The game has not actually started yet. Also, my selections of things (spells, powers, feats, skills, etc) are often unusual selections. < 1310895722 389457 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my brother, of course there isn't much selections since he has Soulknife class (no spells/etc to select) < 1310895733 6155 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-146-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1310895844 892429 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that has Soupknife < 1310895860 624387 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now figure out how to do Soupknife. < 1310895886 155444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be difficult since you would usually use a spoon for soup, not knife < 1310895956 653438 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it was badly made < 1310895978 255737 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I suppose that might also be the possibility, maybe < 1310896451 20600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1310896813 453389 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-0-14.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310896880 707725 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-0-14.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310897032 27072 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat < 1310897036 211415 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-14.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310897285 70786 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1310897300 189007 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310897328 200619 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1310897523 199408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310897627 223022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone. < 1310897627 559726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1310897632 997515 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1310897633 498647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodness. < 1310898576 410000 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-40.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1310899554 250402 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310899618 965650 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you have so many fans. < 1310900340 167738 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1310900362 393606 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fromListWith < 1310900364 572247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `fromListWith' < 1310900382 507188 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t M.fromListWith < 1310900383 608339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a k. (Ord k) => (a -> a -> a) -> [(k, a)] -> M.Map k a < 1310900502 569966 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.toList $ M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) $ "This is a tyical English sentence, using quite a variety of characters." < 1310900506 519241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1310900548 971354 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) $ "This is a tyical English sentence" < 1310900551 757255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [(' ',5),('E',1),('T',1),('a',2),('c',2),('e',3),('g',1),('h',2),(... < 1310900664 186276 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) . map toLower $ "This is a typical English sentence" < 1310900666 29651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [(' ',5),('a',2),('c',2),('e',4),('g',1),('h',2),('i',4),('l',2),(... < 1310900725 325913 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cmp < 1310900726 426048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `cmp' < 1310900734 98254 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t compare < 1310900735 94097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => a -> a -> Ordering < 1310900772 97578 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (compare.snd) . to M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) . map toLower $ "This is a typical English sentence" < 1310900773 8758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `to' < 1310900775 161765 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1310900787 438317 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (compare.snd) . toList . M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) . map toLower $ "This is a typical English sentence" < 1310900788 597241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `toList' < 1310900803 319750 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (compare.snd) . M.toList . M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) . map toLower $ "This is a typical English sentence" < 1310900804 317353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b = (a, b) < 1310900810 301110 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1310901113 230353 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sortBy < 1310901114 175202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a -> Ordering) -> [a] -> [a] < 1310901130 832829 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t M.toList < 1310901131 868743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall k a. M.Map k a -> [(k, a)] < 1310901162 342263 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t compare.snd < 1310901163 277007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. (Ord a) => (a1, a) -> a -> Ordering < 1310901186 51296 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310901226 504738 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (compare `on` snd) . M.toList . M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) . map toLower $ "This is a typical English sentence" < 1310901228 265858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [('g',1),('p',1),('y',1),('a',2),('c',2),('h',2),('l',2),('n',3),('t',3),('... < 1310901239 403200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sortOn < 1310901240 254664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `sortOn' < 1310901243 867058 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (flip compare `on` snd) . M.toList . M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) . map toLower $ "This is a typical English sentence" < 1310901245 683173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(' ',5),('e',4),('i',4),('s',4),('n',3),('t',3),('a',2),('c',2),('h',2),('... < 1310901410 451419 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp hist haskell print . sortBy (flip compare `on` snd) . M.toList . M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) . map toLower =<< getContents < 1310901411 242693 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter hist installed. < 1310901419 263987 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hist Hello, World! < 1310901449 429543 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...parse error, of course. < 1310901471 607562 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp hist < 1310901471 711909 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter hist deleted. < 1310901476 673136 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp hist haskell "test" < 1310901476 822912 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter hist installed. < 1310901477 764859 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hist < 1310901480 23352 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"test" < 1310901486 149961 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp < 1310901486 221344 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ is not a user interpreter. < 1310901488 784646 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp hist < 1310901488 888859 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter hist deleted. < 1310901518 32778 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp hist haskell sortBy (flip compare `on` snd) . M.toList . M.fromListWith (+) . (`zip` repeat 1) . map toLower <$> getContents < 1310901518 137411 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter hist installed. < 1310901521 15236 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hist test < 1310901551 412709 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬¬ < 1310901555 542650 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I don't understand the parse error. < 1310901602 366402 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp hist < 1310901602 458721 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter hist deleted. < 1310901625 864499 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Hist? < 1310901642 792161 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :histogram < 1310901665 800736 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1310901689 380003 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Is a histogram appropriate for letter frequency? < 1310901725 141817 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :distribution of data in a sample < 1310901728 168168 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list elements are the sample. < 1310901814 524969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1310901858 891621 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1310901879 98075 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> group sort "Hello, everyone" < 1310901880 275631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a]' < 1310901880 473735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[a1] -> [... < 1310901884 534820 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> group . sort $ "Hello, everyone" < 1310901886 153317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" ",",","H","eeee","ll","n","oo","r","v","y"] < 1310901942 796066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might learn Haskell < 1310901952 562309 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (head&&&length) . group . sort $ "Hello, everyone" < 1310901954 349019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(' ',1),(',',1),('H',1),('e',4),('l',2),('n',1),('o',2),('r',1),('v',1),('... < 1310901983 562813 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hey, I used arrows. < 1310901991 47142 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a first for me. < 1310902060 452581 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is probably slower, but I'm not really sure. < 1310902088 312819 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the sort. < 1310902099 140126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The output is longer < 1310902121 452094 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output is based on the input, which was different. < 1310902124 815671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310902150 527021 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: er, you're talking about something else. < 1310902197 402092 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first function was: toList . fromListWith (+) . (`zip repeat 1) < 1310902209 642486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1310902216 484122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1310902216 938972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1310902235 173899 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :toList is optionally. Map probably makes more sense anyways. < 1310902235 523731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely advertises NetHack and variants tournament: http://junethack.rawrnix.com < 1310902276 64731 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no good at NetHack < 1310902305 818273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elliott, if you feel morally superior to me due to OS, check now < 1310902399 267568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you don't have to be any good at NetHack, just play it a bit and you'll end up better < 1310902408 124481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, OS = open source or operating system or something else < 1310902417 47738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operating System < 1310902602 499428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eew, Telepathy? < 1310902615 637869 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empathy IM < 1310902629 102867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even worse... < 1310902630 363950 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM (const [True, False] < 1310902631 310471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1310902635 240160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it because it works and it's already there < 1310902638 562099 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t filterM (const [True, False]) < 1310902639 521601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [[a]] < 1310902658 52076 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna switch soon, maybe < 1310902667 14165 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM (const [True, False]) "abc" < 1310902667 855572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["abc","ab","ac","a","bc","b","c",""] < 1310902728 585763 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = length . filterM (const [True, False]) $ replicate n ' ' in f 4 < 1310902730 361818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16 < 1310902750 801107 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = length . filterM (const [True, False]) $ replicate n ' ' in f 5 < 1310902752 433427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 32 < 1310902754 307732 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310902796 291815 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most efficient way to write (2^) in Haskell < 1310902904 184974 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list monad is pretty awesome. < 1310903236 492755 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310903365 946656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, how do I get wget to recursively retrieve all files below a certaint point in a hierarchy? < 1310903437 165218 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-40.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1310903450 586712 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: -r? < 1310903463 716576 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no. < 1310903472 895676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget -r -np < 1310903502 297706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still requires links to the files in question to exist, otherwise it has no way to determine that they're there < 1310903531 246673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thanks. < 1310903560 599406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My wget man page is formatted weirdly because GNU.) < 1310903591 333555 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM (const []) "abc" < 1310903592 413328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1310903594 90499 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-53.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1310903596 580873 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM (const [False]) "abc" < 1310903597 487720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [""] < 1310903691 594727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a pain to find in the man page; I only found it so quickly because I already knew where on the page it was < 1310903695 621842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then it took a couple of minutes < 1310903723 347058 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM (\x -> if x < 5 then [True] else [True,False]) [0..10] < 1310903724 251651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10],[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9],[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10],[0,1... < 1310903746 360996 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM (\x -> if x < 3 then [True] else [True,False]) [0..4] < 1310903747 401970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[0,1,2,3,4],[0,1,2,3],[0,1,2,4],[0,1,2]] < 1310903766 535408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ive started to have opinions on java ides... ive turned into...my worst friend < 1310903794 982666 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not going to learn Haskell just yet < 1310903808 281712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: positive or negative opinions? < 1310903808 328995 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1310903808 815125 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should learn it right now. < 1310903813 593965 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT NOW < 1310903821 784276 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left Then < 1310903822 868729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Java, you can be OK having opinions on IDEs, because it's designed to need one < 1310903828 625892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to, say, OCaml/Haskell, which doesn't < 1310903837 637796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BOTH < 1310903843 399936 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think he means that he thinks some Java IDEs are better than others. < 1310903845 366404 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE IT WON'T LET ME INSTALL THE THINGY < 1310903845 673604 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1310903850 606277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that is not surprising at all < 1310903859 486905 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will possibly debate this with some one < 1310903861 917791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they were all identical, there'd be no reason for more than one to exist < 1310903863 221956 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it becomes a point of contention. < 1310903870 600857 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What thingy? < 1310903879 147550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: haskell platform? < 1310903884 47874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thingy < 1310903890 471236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what doesn't work < 1310903894 574298 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What system are you on? < 1310903898 840061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu < 1310903902 727556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ubuntu < 1310903908 261980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how are you trying to install it < 1310903920 351008 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natty Narwhal, Software Centre < 1310903920 749408 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install ghci < 1310903925 167853 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably all you need to do < 1310903925 345902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no < 1310903928 107715 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want fancy stuff. < 1310903928 125744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not the haskell platform < 1310903931 369365 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know. < 1310903939 763801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: don't use the package manager to install it < 1310903944 568338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :natty is ancient, it doesn't even have the platform IIRC < 1310903949 270013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you see, /Eclipse/ deludes you into thinking that everything is going to be smooth automatic sailing. but if you need a separate build system, it completely falls apart. < 1310903955 92968 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natty came out in April < 1310903968 136379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1310903968 853943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1310903981 427868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: does "sudo apt-get install haskell-platform" not work?\ < 1310903988 199822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about the software centre < 1310903991 61611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Netbeans does everything using Ant, which is a pretty frustrating build system < 1310903993 743172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the package is called that < 1310904022 447638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes i was about to get to netbeans. you see, i installed it, then i uninstalled it three seconds later when it used Swing -> horrible Java font rendering and also everything was ugly and slow. < 1310904025 835683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then < 1310904026 928481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then < 1310904030 393173 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Depends: ghc6 (< 6.12.1+) but 6.12.3-1ubuntu7 is to be installed < 1310904032 395676 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E: Broken packages < 1310904033 501139 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eclipse is part of the reason I'll never write for Android < 1310904037 651936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I decided to startusing Maven < 1310904040 771383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1310904045 511045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even an IDE? < 1310904047 279340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? < 1310904054 382887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you teach java and don't know what maven is...? < 1310904060 537221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought it was a build system < 1310904063 229505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1310904069 379886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so enterprisey, you have no idea. < 1310904079 516003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you define a Project Object Model which produces Artifacts. < 1310904079 692321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I was surprised that you were mentioning it in a context that implied it was an IDE < 1310904091 724997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has Dependencies on Artifacts. and it locates those Dependencies from Repositories that you specify. < 1310904092 423138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I knew it was XML-based and enterprisey, but I didn't know how enterprisey < 1310904100 609446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each invocation is a Build Lifecycle. < 1310904107 883593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's the thing: it's actually less painful than ant :D < 1310904119 223152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it sounds like you have broken repos < 1310904119 576482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about just using make? < 1310904129 310801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I do for Jettyplay < 1310904130 335818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/j1gdZ994 < 1310904132 342115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well at this point, I was split between two paths < 1310904134 610820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use autoconf, too, just because I can < 1310904143 790334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: either I would get it working perfectly and Maven and all Java(tm) < 1310904151 583208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or I would start using any old editor and a shell script to build < 1310904164 640083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it does is determine the locations of things like javac and jar < 1310904172 734949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: huh < 1310904183 719882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: try sudo apt-get remove ghc6? < 1310904187 946520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that < 1310904233 623109 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following packages have unmet dependencies. < 1310904235 629193 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : haskell-platform : Depends: ghc6 (< 6.12.1+) but 6.12.3-1ubuntu7 is to be installed < 1310904237 626056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E: Broken packages < 1310904246 545152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ugh < 1310904253 776654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, so then I decided to give IDEA a second shot, since every Bukkit person seemed to be constantly saving about how advanced and analysisy it is, so I put its weird-ass default of allowing you to put the cursor outside of line boundaries < 1310904257 738164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm not really sure < 1310904286 958917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: try aptitude -f update < 1310904288 920076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if it can fix them < 1310904291 330986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: turns out it's great and also everyone should use it and it integrates perfectly with Maven. also, it knows more about my code than any machine has a right to deduce. also, it uses Swing too but it has a theme that makes it tolerable. why do i have opinions like this. < 1310904294 585208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no aptitude in recent ubuntu < 1310904299 296520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd be upgrade, not update < 1310904302 3815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's < 1310904303 567958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get -f install < 1310904304 386734 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Try operating_system -f update < 1310904305 769184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's anything < 1310904305 947697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sudo apt-get -f install < 1310904310 811691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fair enough < 1310904314 526462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's not aptitude :P < 1310904315 226718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -f tells it to fix broken packages and mostly ignore the rest of the command line < 1310904328 599442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. < 1310904330 656646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, apt-get does have -f now < 1310904333 105397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ANYWAY, my point is: IntelliJ IDEA is good and all other IDEs are stinking badthings < 1310904340 902467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't last I looked, that's why I checked aptitude < 1310904346 979011 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most IDEs are terrible, anyway < 1310904358 852320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: this is java, suspend logic at the door < 1310904368 304545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like the "fix broken packages" option in synaptic best < 1310904369 580995 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice wordplay < 1310904373 721424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the software centre has an alternative < 1310904383 66579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Abandon common sense! This is reality! < 1310904386 298504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite line from Pokémon < 1310904391 765962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I've said, IDEs are basically a tool for one-way destructuring of intentions that cannot later be reified (only I know what this means) < 1310904398 534301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but my entire computing philosophy is based on its being evil) < 1310904403 325194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1310904411 499669 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agree < 1310904416 843677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a great line is rather out of character for the game < 1310904417 739266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reified is my favourite word. < 1310904426 87281 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer deified < 1310904433 184295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1310904441 921509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Naive_realism.jpg bets image on wikipedia < 1310904444 261232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best < 1310904461 986740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reified literally means 'thingified', which cannot be beaten. < 1310904473 767671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't get it < 1310904477 981419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes it a good image in its own right < 1310904491 119184 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apocolocyntosis < 1310904508 472124 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pumpkinification < 1310904525 616026 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to link people to a page about nihilism when they'd ask me about it < 1310904537 661318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: getting it would ruin it < 1310904540 284874 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was blank, obviously < 1310904543 480408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fair enough < 1310904543 649959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodness is based mostly on incomprehensibility < 1310904560 376467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if that was it < 1310904562 513831 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1310904572 655224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, thanks for linking to the file description page rather than linking to the image directly < 1310904691 952285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wanted to link to it directly to keep the absurdism alive but then I realised you'd yell at me < 1310904696 945833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, ABCD is much worse than ABCDXYZ < 1310904702 623582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I stomped around grumpily for a few seconds then cried < 1310904704 218679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orders of magnitude, in fact < 1310904732 574848 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I reinstall that thing you got me to remove to see if it would make it work? < 1310904744 630540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc6 < 1310904758 259618 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing, he says < 1310904781 633124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why did you userfy a spam page? < 1310904804 53569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: upcoming esolang < 1310904808 884920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to study the source material < 1310904813 753861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you save a local copy for the time being, then? < 1310904816 205555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Doubt it < 1310904819 80413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still spam, regardless of what namespace it's in < 1310904827 400759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's art now. but FINE < 1310904834 813872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1310904855 929628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm "The 12 Steps For Adult Children." I'm thinking a RUBE type thing, except in abstract object space rather than twodee space < 1310904900 64805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it appears to be creating a linkfarm on a bunch of unrelated wikis < 1310904905 493604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an attempt to boost pagerank that way, I suppose < 1310904918 302495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pity these spambots haven't heard of nofollow, the spamming technique they're using doesn't even work < 1310904918 358437 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Gentoo's probably your best bet, unless you're really tied to Ubuntu < 1310904929 505570 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happened to a wiki I admin < 1310904948 497454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bonus points, the link to the page they're actually trying to promote is invalid (no TLD) < 1310904948 895742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The owner blocked account registration or something < 1310904954 716443 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot stop it < 1310904959 594548 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just keep on comming < 1310904965 172987 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*coming < 1310904973 447623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably to hide it from Google, and hope that people follow the link anyway < 1310904986 357868 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310904989 659863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're pretty tenacious at stopping spambots < 1310904998 909319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally I ask graue to change something on the backend to help < 1310905004 123237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only in a real emergency < 1310905010 502834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do keep on coming, but we keep on blocking them < 1310905014 35180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have to run out of IPs eventually < 1310905029 201846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So /that's/ why IPv4 is running out < 1310905029 930990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue will probably just ban
or something if they keep turning up < 1310905060 165501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambots are the reason
join (++) . (inits . repeat) =<< sequence $ "abc" < 1310905377 580610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> b' < 1310905377 916149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[[a1]]' < 1310905396 967528 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (++) . (inits . repeat) >>= sequence $ "abc" < 1310905397 900932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a]' against inferred type `a -> a1' < 1310905412 245358 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map join (++) . (inits . repeat) >>= sequence $ "abc" < 1310905413 204235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[m (m a)]' < 1310905413 396477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `m1 ... < 1310905415 779520 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1310905426 340088 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map join (++) . ((inits . repeat) >>= sequence) $ "abc" < 1310905427 291144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[m (m a)]' < 1310905427 448470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `m1 ... < 1310905434 647028 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((inits . repeat) >>= sequence) $ "abc" < 1310905435 511373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a]' against inferred type `a -> a' < 1310905435 669138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [[a]] < 1310905435 886282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Inferred type: [a -> a] < 1310905445 602605 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh. < 1310905531 667405 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((++) `ap` reverse) . (inits . repeat) "abc" >>= sequence < 1310905533 260301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","a","b","c","c","b","a","aa","ab","ac","ac","ab","aa","ba","bb","bc","b... < 1310905561 643004 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1310905595 80678 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((++) `ap` reverse) $ (inits . repeat) "abc" >>= sequence < 1310905596 787397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","aa","bb","cc","aaaa","abba","acca","baab","bbbb","bccb","caac","cbbc",... < 1310905647 940851 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww yeah, list of all palindromes in an alphabet. < 1310905688 13668 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nub "racecar" < 1310905689 15500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "race" < 1310905716 39115 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((++) `ap` reverse) $ (inits . repeat) "race" >>= sequence < 1310905717 873414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","rr","aa","cc","ee","rrrr","raar","rccr","reer","arra","aaaa","acca","a... < 1310905735 586982 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in that sequence is "racecar" :P < 1310905957 410700 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if only I had an isEnglishWord function.. < 1310906040 337033 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think (inits . repeat) alphabet >>= sequence < 1310906063 53203 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably the more elegant alternative to (`replicateM` alphabet) =<< [0..] < 1310906069 414387 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that elliott was looking for. < 1310906075 869100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1310906077 507367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310906104 310550 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means. < 1310906143 92488 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pleases the way my brain interprets the code" < 1310906146 720840 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric := elegant < 1310906199 916880 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From #haskell, pure elegance < 1310906200 496596 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace "the code" with "it" for other things. < 1310906201 751293 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap (fmap fmap fmap) fmap fmap sum (fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap read) return show $ 635 < 1310906202 730272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14 < 1310906309 777684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap (fmap fmap fmap) fmap fmap sum (fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap read) return show < 1310906310 192687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap (fmap fmap fmap) fmap fmap sum (fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap read) return show < 1310906313 262002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1310906324 383496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310906336 120694 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1310906339 665448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is anyone meant to know what that does? < 1310906341 153220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1310906346 659823 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sum . map (read . return) . show $ 635 < 1310906357 796276 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum . map (read . return) . show $ 635 < 1310906359 549082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do all the fmaps cancel each other out? < 1310906359 567023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14 < 1310906386 784825 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a digital sum calculator thing? < 1310906389 552365 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap < 1310906390 498952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *) a1 (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f1, Functor f) => (a1 -> a -> b) -> f1 a1 -> f1 (f a -> f b) < 1310906406 387538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : do all the fmaps cancel each other out? < 1310906407 645790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310906421 599691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something like all the ones past three make no effect < 1310906422 846494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty fmap < 1310906423 784907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *). (Functor f) => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1310906423 961299 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is Neo. < 1310906424 309704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty fmap fmap < 1310906425 187172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty fmap fmap fmap < 1310906425 326756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *) (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1) => f1 (a -> b) -> f1 (f a -> f b) < 1310906426 48559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1) => (a -> b) -> f (f1 a) -> f (f1 b) < 1310906426 131010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty fmap fmap fmap fmap < 1310906426 980370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap < 1310906427 222864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) (f1 :: * -> *) a b (f2 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1, Functor f2) => f (f1 (a -> b)) -> f (f1 (f2 a -> f2 b)) < 1310906427 977731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (f :: * -> *) a1 b. (Functor f) => (a1 -> b) -> (a -> a1) -> f a -> f b < 1310906431 667177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I think I can vaguely work out why, too < 1310906432 623612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it cycles < 1310906441 338834 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1310906543 501782 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a better way to generate every palindrome in an alphabet. < 1310906567 607758 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than what? < 1310906570 208619 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((++) `ap` reverse) $ (inits . repeat) "abc" >>= sequence < 1310906571 947183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","aa","bb","cc","aaaa","abba","acca","baab","bbbb","bccb","caac","cbbc",... < 1310906578 93132 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310906593 997911 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty damn nice as is. < 1310906594 67690 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell Don you could do it better in Java < 1310906608 268046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is wrong though < 1310906622 314559 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1310906623 226747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it missed "a","b", and "c" < 1310906646 75349 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1310906653 404614 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310906662 954045 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only does even lengthed ones < 1310906673 280948 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310906675 947115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1310906682 887064 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aibohphobia < 1310906692 637774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: fear of palindromes? < 1310906695 660911 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay, this is now a much more difficult problem. :P < 1310906697 124021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fear of palindromes? < 1310906697 420027 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally < 1310906702 494788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okie < 1310906709 253416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the glare here is ungood < 1310906714 247952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot see the screen < 1310906734 16954 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((++) `ap` reverse) $ (inits . repeat) "ab" >>= sequence < 1310906735 846674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","aa","bb","aaaa","abba","baab","bbbb","aaaaaa","aabbaa","abaaba","abbbb... < 1310906742 247838 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310906749 377774 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((++) `ap` reverse) $ (inits . repeat) "a" >>= sequence < 1310906751 16260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","aa","aaaa","aaaaaa","aaaaaaaa","aaaaaaaaaa","aaaaaaaaaaaa","aaaaaaaaaa... < 1310906762 952799 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get all the a's out of lambdabot < 1310906765 807803 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E: monitor rot in Nome. < 1310906766 747486 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each even length palindrome there needs to be an number of odd palidromes equal to the number of elements < 1310906776 976443 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*number of characters in the alphabet < 1310906786 520492 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Too many n's < 1310906794 55128 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1310906795 111644 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where basically the alphabet character is concatenated in the center of the even length string < 1310906808 547646 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would give a, b, and c by performing this in the case of "" ++ "" < 1310906842 569461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each even length palindrome but the null string, you can create an odd length palindrome by removing one of the letters in the middle < 1310906871 349187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately, you could delete on of the middle characters from the next rank of palindromes < 1310906878 515914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1310906885 434049 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid glare and ninjas < 1310906890 265613 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quit < 1310906890 450190 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds better? < 1310906906 617181 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the first option myself < 1310906926 15037 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay. < 1310906970 580011 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t curry < 1310906971 588964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c. ((a, b) -> c) -> a -> b -> c < 1310906977 919069 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncurry < 1310906978 794899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c. (a -> b -> c) -> (a, b) -> c < 1310907032 837140 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zen E.C. nip pince-nez < 1310907054 838244 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was late, my ball. Lab Y: metal saw. < 1310907060 377291 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be neat, if it meant anything < 1310907076 220991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Aye; rags gare ya. < 1310907082 343610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gare isn't... strictly a word. < 1310907086 401492 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do geese see god? < 1310907095 86476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDD < 1310907099 551113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1310907099 907217 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do nine men interpret? Nine men, I nod! < 1310907132 700992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mary's on a nosy ram. < 1310907165 556620 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lager, sir, is regal. < 1310907170 216150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :S.L.: Like I 'e kills. < 1310907173 787817 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ninja, A.J. Nina. < 1310907176 881202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1310907184 143091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D D-X. < 1310907201 411711 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lonely Tylenol < 1310907223 700440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dave saved. < 1310907224 231957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archaeology: ancient cry -- yrc tneicna ygoloeahcra. < 1310907229 105283 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's wrong < 1310907235 750293 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is opposition. < 1310907329 364608 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod $nar = "Finn" if random(). < 1310907346 853673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: wow < 1310907355 285335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: where do you learn your skills... < 1310907361 42316 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reviled did I live, said I, as evil I did deliver. < 1310907364 64799 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310907364 655434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1310907365 182851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: where do you learn your skills... < 1310907367 966816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310907368 365711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1310907369 804520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow lol wow < 1310907372 794330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best palindrome yet < 1310907425 378051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modenil capra; ARPA-C line DOM. < 1310907433 256370 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. Once you see a lot of palindromes, they start to come easy :D < 1310907442 38558 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yrc tneicna looks like gaelic or something... could be a brand of whiskey < 1310907450 646077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wednesday 'ad sen dew. < 1310907472 422036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: was that a palindrome < 1310907515 174585 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is open on one position. < 1310907570 507685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:Ooooooooo < 1310907689 105594 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence "abc" < 1310907690 129359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `m a' < 1310907690 282229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Types... < 1310907694 739536 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence < 1310907695 810531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a] < 1310907709 429115 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an inverse sequence? < 1310907718 211203 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concat? < 1310907718 735045 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I mean. < 1310907731 562669 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have "abc" I want ["a","b","c",""] < 1310907755 285813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just learned that "Palin" is greek for "backwards"...this explains a lot about American politics < 1310907786 763336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And certain travel documentaries made by a former member of Monty Python? < 1310907823 922337 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t reverse . sequence < 1310907824 850063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [[a]] -> [[a]] < 1310907852 582140 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence ["abc"] < 1310907853 542179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["a","b","c"] < 1310907854 138375 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not what I meant < 1310907854 412535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: map pure < 1310907856 909033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map pure "abc" < 1310907857 772670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (f GHC.Types.Char)) < 1310907857 929274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1310907862 262392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map pure "abc" :: [String] < 1310907863 228288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["a","b","c"] < 1310907866 89986 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip sequence < 1310907867 75738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. a -> [a -> a1] -> [a1] < 1310907867 721282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also map return, map (:[]), etc. < 1310907877 19196 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll just have to manually concat the []... < 1310907895 570970 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence ["abc", []] < 1310907896 549785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1310908009 792765 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :map (: []) looks like an angry robot < 1310908022 823190 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(:[]) < 1310908025 278937 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let palindromes alphabet = map ((((,) `ap` reverse)) $ (inits . repeat) alphabet >>= sequence >>= (\x y -> map (\z -> x++z++y) ([]:map pure alphabet)) `ap` reverse < 1310908026 285277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1310908032 351323 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let palindromes alphabet = map ((((,) `ap` reverse)) $ (inits . repeat) alphabet >>= sequence >>= (\x y -> map (\z -> x++z++y) ([]:map pure alphabet)) `ap` reverse in palindromes "abc" < 1310908033 325191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `in' < 1310908046 210371 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... < 1310908052 754059 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, that's messed up. < 1310908060 82102 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, yeah < 1310908070 192992 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let palindromes alphabet = (inits . repeat) alphabet >>= sequence >>= (\x y -> map (\z -> x++z++y) ([]:map pure alphabet)) `ap` reverse in palindromes "abc" < 1310908071 946016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","a","b","c","aa","aaa","aba","aca","bb","bab","bbb","bcb","cc","cac","c... < 1310908086 244257 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as clean now though < 1310908092 814463 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see what pl has to say. < 1310908105 140783 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x y -> map (\z -> x++z++y) ([]:map pure alphabet)) `ap` reverse < 1310908105 203815 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to :D < 1310908105 570140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (flip . (map .) . (. flip (++)) . (.) . (++)) ([] : map pure alphabet) `ap` reverse < 1310908111 961085 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. < 1310908159 43225 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That output makes too much sense. I need sleep. < 1310908176 646941 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off to watch the Puma Man and pass out before work. Adios, all < 1310908191 558633 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather < 1310908193 418590 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a fancier way to do that, but really the only way I can think of is to use >>= with a function that produces a list containing the even palidrome and its associated odd palindromes < 1310908196 707900 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Ida, adios. < 1310908259 731428 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I didn't need the empty string in the list I could simply pass alphabet to that map and use z:y instead of z++y < 1310908312 924485 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need the empty string? < 1310908322 484461 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing isn't a palindrome < 1310908328 108487 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is < 1310908334 478473 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x y -> [x++y, map (\z -> x++z:y) alphabet]) `ap` reverse < 1310908334 988958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (ap . ((:) .) . (++)) (flip flip [] . ((:) .) . flip flip alphabet . (map .) . (. flip (:)) . (.) . (++)) `ap` reverse < 1310908340 2473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "" backwards? < 1310908343 27817 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"". < 1310908343 986860 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing < 1310908355 22270 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, nothing is nothing backwards < 1310908360 890951 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no characters to order, so no order to reverse < 1310908404 278150 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let palindromes alphabet = (inits . repeat) alphabet >>= sequence >>= (\x y -> [x++y, map (\z -> x++z:y) alphabet]) `ap` reverse in palindromes "abc" < 1310908405 171244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = [a] < 1310908424 972153 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let palindromes alphabet = (inits . repeat) alphabet >>= sequence >>= (\x y -> [x++y, map (\z -> x++(z:y)) alphabet]) `ap` reverse in palindromes "abc" < 1310908425 982516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = [a] < 1310908428 792379 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1310908446 256527 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, I'm talking about the empty string for the last part of the code < 1310908477 605369 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need the empty string so that mapping x++z++y will produce the even lengthed one < 1310908482 271325 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1310908513 698586 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh... < 1310908552 380352 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let palindromes alphabet = (inits . repeat) alphabet >>= sequence >>= (\x y -> (x++y) : map (\z -> x++z:y) alphabet) `ap` reverse in palindromes "abc" < 1310908554 101544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","a","b","c","aa","aaa","aba","aca","bb","bab","bbb","bcb","cc","cac","c... < 1310908559 194908 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that's a little cleaner. < 1310908593 941293 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x y -> (x++y) : map (\z -> x++z:y) alphabet < 1310908594 378621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 46): < 1310908594 684059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected end of input < 1310908594 702033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator, ":", "++", "<+>" or ")" < 1310908596 510749 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x y -> (x++y) : map (\z -> x++z:y) alphabet) < 1310908596 946811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (ap . ((:) .) . (++)) (flip flip alphabet . (map .) . (. flip (:)) . (.) . (++)) < 1310908605 243932 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl map (\z -> x++z:y) alphabet < 1310908605 610669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :map ((x ++) . (: y)) alphabet < 1310908621 811777 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1310908623 930843 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much nicer < 1310908662 53617 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@81-233-163-248-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310908683 177241 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let palindromes alphabet = (inits . repeat) alphabet >>= sequence >>= (\x y -> (x++y) : map ((x++).(:y)) alphabet) `ap` reverse in palindromes "abc" < 1310908683 488867 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@81-233-163-248-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310908684 906545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","a","b","c","aa","aaa","aba","aca","bb","bab","bbb","bcb","cc","cac","c... < 1310908698 791305 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the x and y variables are pretty much necessary to maintain clarity. < 1310908712 52032 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with this approach. < 1310908758 486711 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "delete a character from the middle" approach might be shorter with the use of functions from Data.List < 1310908759 910633 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, but < 1310908779 799967 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x y -> (x++y)) just feels ridiculous < 1310908785 318991 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's (++) < 1310908801 71989 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that's not the only thing there.... < 1310908822 787382 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. It just seems like some refactoring could get rid of that silly thing :D < 1310908832 699670 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (x y -> (x++y) : f) < 1310908833 158274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 6): < 1310908833 350655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected ">" < 1310908833 368849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator or ")" < 1310908837 953170 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x y -> (x++y) : f) < 1310908838 269564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip flip f . ((:) .) . (++) < 1310908863 92595 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, no. < 1310908878 627553 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems not < 1310908880 820465 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that is borderline okay. < 1310908889 33380 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much flip < 1310908893 727571 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess two flips and 3 compositions is where I draw the line. :P < 1310908906 327188 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested compositions confuse me somewhat. < 1310908916 795437 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I kinda like 'em < 1310908931 690764 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I understand them in a way that is intuitive... < 1310908995 922985 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((.).(.)) < 1310908996 755491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1) => (a -> b) -> f (f1 a) -> f (f1 b) < 1310909009 875206 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, wait, that looks familiar < 1310909035 559303 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310909042 208354 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((.).(.)).($) < 1310909043 67745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1) => (a -> b) -> f (f1 a) -> f (f1 b) < 1310909088 742448 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap < 1310909089 842703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *) a1 (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f1, Functor f) => (a1 -> a -> b) -> f1 a1 -> f1 (f a -> f b) < 1310909101 230589 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's why < 1310909122 851138 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I like this palidrome code so much I think I will save it. < 1310909127 655110 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap fmap < 1310909128 534929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) (f1 :: * -> *) (f2 :: * -> *) a b (f3 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1, Functor f2, Functor f3) => f (f1 (f2 (a -> b))) -> f (f1 (f2 (f3 a -> f3 b))) < 1310909132 47545 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's not something I can pull from memory. < 1310909136 965278 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good call < 1310909149 286034 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick it up on hpaste or on the cafe < 1310909159 17900 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to be able to refer to it sometime :D < 1310909164 290069 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1310909182 1894 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((.)$(.)) < 1310909182 975294 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1) => f (a -> b) -> f (f1 a -> f1 b) < 1310909377 748099 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0..] >>= (`replicateM` alphabet) < 1310909395 191991 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is also equal to (inits . repeat) alphabet >>= sequence < 1310909410 424413 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks nicer, too < 1310909430 580409 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO nicer < 1310909438 587861 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1310909469 46245 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1310909472 471106 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FCVO < 1310909480 183379 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For certain values of < 1310909499 90850 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or for some, if I want to stick to my kind of wrong one < 1310909503 97956 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Control.Monad and Data.List are the only dependencies. < 1310909506 633599 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap is in Control.Monad right? < 1310909518 355612 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle ap < 1310909518 838823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad ap :: Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b < 1310909518 997851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.ArtPoint ap :: Graph gr => gr a b -> [Node] < 1310909519 147638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Arrow app :: ArrowApply a => a (a b c, b) c < 1310909521 819338 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1310909542 503043 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle reverse < 1310909543 4670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude reverse :: [a] -> [a] < 1310909543 161732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString reverse :: ByteString -> ByteString < 1310909543 179608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List reverse :: [a] -> [a] < 1310909553 913847 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :using replicateM I need only Control.Monad so... I'll do that. < 1310909557 32167 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle repeat < 1310909557 479616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude repeat :: a -> [a] < 1310909557 636439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List repeat :: a -> [a] < 1310909557 788762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString.Lazy repeat :: Word8 -> ByteString < 1310909559 885618 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle inits < 1310909560 379940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString inits :: ByteString -> [ByteString] < 1310909560 536399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List inits :: [a] -> [[a]] < 1310909560 688494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString.Char8 inits :: ByteString -> [ByteString] < 1310909565 991377 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, inits isn't in Prelude < 1310909598 807415 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :replicateM it is, then < 1310909638 417725 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/49129 < 1310909654 881886 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :let palindromes alphabet = [0..] >>= (`replicateM` alphabet) >>= (\x y -> (x++y) : map ((x++).(:y)) alphabet) `ap` reverse in palidromes "ab" < 1310909657 957687 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let palindromes alphabet = [0..] >>= (`replicateM` alphabet) >>= (\x y -> (x++y) : map ((x++).(:y)) alphabet) `ap` reverse in palidromes "ab" < 1310909658 922662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `palidromes' < 1310909664 497469 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let palindromes alphabet = [0..] >>= (`replicateM` alphabet) >>= (\x y -> (x++y) : map ((x++).(:y)) alphabet) `ap` reverse in palindromes "ab" < 1310909666 283050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","a","b","aa","aaa","aba","bb","bab","bbb","aaaa","aaaaa","aabaa","abba"... < 1310909673 497485 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just double-checking that the new version works. < 1310909782 364974 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. Now if we could just find some suitably opaque combinators equivalent to some of that... < 1310909821 477161 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be nice to somehow be able to have a map that also included an empty element of some kind, but I'm pretty sure that's not possible without using a lot of combinators. < 1310909830 632475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let strings = ([0..] >>=) . flip replicateM; palindromes = alphabet >>= (\x y -> (x++y) : map ((x++).(:y)) alphabet) `ap` reverse in palindromes "ab" < 1310909831 592662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `alphabet'Not in scope: `alphabet' < 1310909841 396656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let strings = ([0..] >>=) . flip replicateM; palindromes alphabet = strings alphabet >>= (\x y -> (x++y) : map ((x++).(:y)) alphabet) `ap` reverse in palindromes "ab" < 1310909843 52669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gross < 1310909843 70879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","a","b","aa","aaa","aba","bb","bab","bbb","aaaa","aaaaa","aabaa","abba"... < 1310909874 595990 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd mainly like to reduce the lambda somehow. < 1310909882 230247 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the rest is quite fine. < 1310909933 596297 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, since I'm actually putting it in a file now I can define it as a function instead of using the lambda... < 1310909966 403422 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what to call it. < 1310910165 756485 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++ < 1310910184 119515 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say that why did I say that < 1310910227 344083 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++ATH0 < 1310910366 993025 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a thing that you could disconnect a percentage of dialup users with a "ping -p 2B2B2B415448300D0A" command. < 1310910400 750487 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat improved: http://hpaste.org/49130 < 1310910419 164520 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I ever need to import Control.Applicative I'll change ap to <*> < 1310910458 120486 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's purely cosmetic, everything I'm doing is purely cosmetic. < 1310910465 959711 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I kind of like `ap` < 1310910562 521907 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably many sets of interesting strings you could construct with the [0..] >>= (`replicateM` alphabet) thing. < 1310910717 800666 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: use do syntax for non monadic code http://hpaste.org/49108 < 1310910722 818724 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? is this a joke? < 1310910895 51752 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going now < 1310910918 528081 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it desugars into something that doesn't use any monad functions, so it ends up working < 1310911095 40198 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do 2 + 2 < 1310911095 58412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1310911095 58585 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ever do that though. < 1310911095 58700 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310911095 58857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do should constrain the type... < 1310911108 39631 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310911151 492976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310911240 880402 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do 4 +4; 3 < 1310911241 878227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instances for (GHC.Num.Num (m a), GHC.Num.Num (m b)) < 1310911241 986005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a u... < 1310911249 620897 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...good. < 1310911277 277271 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do x = x, do x;y = x >> y < 1310911560 57114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ABCD count as a stupid BF derivative? or is it worse than that? < 1310911565 396270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically BF restricted to +-,. < 1310911565 967930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310911632 481713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just a stupid BF derivative.. if that's literally what it is. < 1310911642 890687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well, commands renamed as usual < 1310911648 133112 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310911654 105080 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, still. < 1310911666 291043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you go: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ABCD < 1310911683 382114 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you could spawn threads of FSA that could communicate with each other... < 1310911688 721358 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more interesting < 1310911762 629450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page is vaguely obnoxious < 1310911769 228614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was placed in a category specifically for the language, too < 1310911776 127549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost wondering if it's trolling < 1310911832 486976 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310912078 389103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no almost about it < 1310912163 285024 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310912888 369764 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1310913101 894451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310913120 910315 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1310913212 40530 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1310913262 736752 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game cube Nintendo: cod net nine Buce mag? < 1310913575 79971 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310913681 49014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: your palindrome makes no sense either forwards or backwards < 1310913703 307070 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't make sense < 1310914037 962497 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in take 20 primes < 1310914038 622950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take 20 (fix ((`ap` tail) . (. head) . liftM2 (.) (:) . (. (filter . ((> 0) .) . flip mod)) . (.)) [2..]) < 1310914047 583049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elegant. < 1310914073 100765 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am always impressed with pl's sense of taste < 1310914081 626442 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so constructive < 1310914100 377898 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should see pl's living room < 1310914125 939637 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would imagine there are no points. < 1310914162 824561 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is all very smooth surfaces, with no polka dot colors. < 1310914171 926994 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/colors/patterns/ < 1310914533 751306 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in join (zipWith (!!)) primes < 1310914534 695893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a]' < 1310914534 884168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Types... < 1310914554 822029 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1310914561 239426 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join (zipWith (!!)) < 1310914562 122249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a]' against inferred type `Int' < 1310914562 279090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [[a]] -> [[a]] -> a1 < 1310914562 431116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Inferred type: [[a]] -> [Int] -> [a] < 1310914576 921695 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. < 1310914608 786997 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in zipWith (!!) primes primes < 1310914609 705668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral [a]) < 1310914610 44153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_120' at... < 1310914614 234986 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1310914627 767306 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-14.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310914632 440547 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zipWith < 1310914633 429099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c. (a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c] < 1310914634 606414 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (!!) < 1310914635 597420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> Int -> a < 1310914653 109350 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in primes < 1310914654 76522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Integral t) => [t] < 1310914681 679126 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in zipWith ((!!) `ap` fromIntegral) primes primes < 1310914682 630796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral [b -> c]) < 1310914682 823563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_12... < 1310914687 743630 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, what? < 1310914691 897397 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THIS SO COMPLICATED. < 1310914729 740892 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (!!) `ap` fromIntegral < 1310914730 859360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. (Integral [b]) => [b] -> b < 1310914752 658354 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... right. :P < 1310914780 704973 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in map (primes!!) primes < 1310914782 858060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [5,7,13,19,37,43,61,71,89,113,131,163,181,193,223,251,281,293,337,359,373,4... < 1310914790 631902 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I wonder how I got so good at Haskell. < 1310914816 644680 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, those are the prime numbers that are indexed by a prime number < 1310914834 874457 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were a number theorist, I'd probably give them some kind of goofy name. < 1310914870 759544 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or name them after myself: CakeProphet numbers. < 1310914930 570294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I am now slightly scared by Headshoots. < 1310914933 785431 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7,13,37,61,131,181,281,337... < 1310914951 384559 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have many interesting properties, such as being prime, and being nth prime numbers where n is a prime number. < 1310915014 111740 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in map (primes!!) $ map (primes!!) primes < 1310915018 33744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1310915040 36896 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...as you can see, finding the prime numbers indexed by CakeProphet numbers is somewhat time consuming. < 1310915049 126425 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I will go ahead and name them rank-2 CakeProphet numbers. < 1310915071 679545 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because as a number theorist this is ultimately where I get my kicks. < 1310915092 66664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7,13,37,61,131,181,281,337... <-- CakeProphet numbers indexed by Prime numbers < 1310915117 752966 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, I'm going to run out of names. < 1310915126 189217 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they be Taneb numbers? < 1310915133 302833 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose this is acceptable. < 1310915171 740141 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the key challenges of number theory is finding unique names for numbers that exhibit arbitrary and interesting properties. < 1310915197 146639 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written many papers on the subject. < 1310915205 533689 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many? < 1310915262 741690 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... < 1310915278 407106 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :many. < 1310915288 686967 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "many"? < 1310915344 925162 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will just say that I have an Erdős number of -1 < 1310915384 589122 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A072677 < 1310915413 690291 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut? < 1310915417 570333 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1310915422 879540 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the CakeProphet numbers < 1310915429 919008 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also http://oeis.org/A117249 < 1310915497 772089 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I not attributed! < 1310915516 295311 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they were listed in 2002 and 2006 < 1310915554 296329 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will just have to reword the definition. < 1310915771 7053 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A prime number p is a CakeProphet number if the powerset of the set of prime numbers contains exactly 2^q-1 subsets where p is the maximal element, and q is prime. < 1310915813 87334 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/login?redirect=/edit/new < 1310915920 120402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: is that powerset stuff a really complex way of saying "the qth largest prime number, where q is prime"? < 1310915940 149469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1310915940 541543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1310915949 229506 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how you could infer such a thing. < 1310915960 419000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four keystrokes < 1310915964 43555 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Luc Stephens already published such a thing < 1310915971 206115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift+y, e, and s < 1310915994 628598 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-53.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: run < 1310916133 95530 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in filter (elem primes . (-1) . logBase 2 . length . filterM (const [True,False])) primes < 1310916134 150210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [[t]]) < 1310916134 303002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of syntactic nega... < 1310916163 113593 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in filter (elem primes . subtract 1 . logBase 2 . length . filterM (const [True,False])) primes < 1310916164 95321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[[t]]' < 1310916164 248351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Typ... < 1310916222 11472 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in filter (elem primes . subtract 1 . logBase 2 . length . filterM (const [True,False]) . (primes!!)) primes < 1310916222 910626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[[t]]' < 1310916223 67129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Typ... < 1310916230 561898 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1310916283 987784 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in filter (elem primes . subtract 1 . logBase 2 . length . filterM (const [True,False]) . (\x -> takeWhile (/=x))) primes < 1310916284 995711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[[t]]' < 1310916285 13650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Typ... < 1310916319 924239 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in filter (elem primes . subtract 1 . logBase 2 . length . filterM (const [True,False]) . (\x -> takeWhile (/=x) primes)) primes < 1310916320 910523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[[t]]' < 1310916321 62455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Typ... < 1310916327 831032 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably not try to program at this hour. < 1310916401 735682 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in filter (elem primes . subtract 1 . logBase 2 . length . filterM (const [True,False])) (inits primes) < 1310916402 827295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[[t]]' < 1310916402 979201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Typ... < 1310916512 697899 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my input is getting cut off. < 1310916618 634044 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t inits < 1310916619 537467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [[a]] < 1310916708 365178 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t filterM < 1310916709 315637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a -> m Bool) -> [a] -> m [a] < 1310916736 495465 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in filter (elem primes.subtract 1.logBase 2.length.filterM (const [True,False]))$inits primes < 1310916737 438362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[[t]]' < 1310916737 629183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Typ... < 1310916816 571824 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t elem < 1310916817 633112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => a -> [a] -> Bool < 1310916821 847749 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....oh < 1310916835 849008 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in filter ((`elem` primes).subtract 1.logBase 2.length.filterM (const [True,False]))$inits primes < 1310916836 827264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Types.Int) < 1310916837 131860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1310916912 840042 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (/) < 1310916913 771353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Fractional a) => a -> a -> a < 1310916966 155475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1310916995 670432 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it sure is incredibly stupid that logBase doesn't work with integral.. < 1310917009 481765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t logBase < 1310917010 372287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Floating a) => a -> a -> a < 1310917109 375141 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toIntegral < 1310917110 351357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `toIntegral' < 1310917185 450650 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (Integral a) => b -> a < 1310917185 990559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude ceiling :: (RealFrac a, Integral b) => a -> b < 1310917186 146689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude floor :: (RealFrac a, Integral b) => a -> b < 1310917186 298903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude round :: (RealFrac a, Integral b) => a -> b < 1310917243 992571 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let primes = sieve [2..]; sieve (p:x) = p : sieve (filter ((>0).(`mod` p)) x) in filter ((`elem` primes).subtract 1.floor.logBase 2.(fromIntegral::Int->Float).length.filterM (const [True,False]))$inits primes < 1310917247 947181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1310917249 116654 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :success! < 1310917435 510378 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl flip (>>=) f g < 1310917435 953906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f =<< g < 1310917487 32558 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found myself using the monad instance of (e ->) much more now that I know how it works. < 1310917550 605485 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1310917573 178721 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence < 1310917574 238581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a] < 1310917599 962646 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence [abs, (+1)] < 1310917600 856094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> [a] < 1310917610 392916 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence [abs, (+1)] 4 < 1310917611 534183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [4,5] < 1310917649 758564 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join ((++) `ap` reverse) "hello" < 1310917650 782607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: m = (->) (m a) < 1310917660 369364 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. < 1310917705 489092 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join ((++) `on` reverse) "hello" < 1310917707 161854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "olleholleh" < 1310917761 688106 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>=>) < 1310917762 634565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) b c. (Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c < 1310917775 5637 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about these operators. Haven't figured out when to use them. < 1310917890 314582 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (>=>) < 1310917890 716663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Where did you learn to type? < 1310917905 132608 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: where did you learn to lookup sources? < 1310918159 434989 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, is liftM equivalent to fmap? < 1310918164 797151 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be < 1310918172 166429 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for monads, anyway. < 1310918203 559652 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310918264 418367 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM f m1 = do { x1 <- m1; return (f x1) } < 1310918331 553706 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not m1 >>= return . (f$) ? < 1310918343 774134 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think base is afraid of >>=.. < 1310918400 250627 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldM f a (x:xs) = f a x >>= \fax -> foldM f fax xs < 1310918411 123876 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps just completely arbitrary about its use... < 1310918846 993111 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1310918856 782450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1310919079 878430 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919543 649782 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919583 712669 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919628 755281 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919673 816026 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919723 876799 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919763 923451 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919813 971246 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919854 30915 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919894 75756 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919934 112823 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310919984 179579 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920024 237336 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920064 287392 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920114 350999 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920154 387313 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920194 440855 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920239 497195 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920279 545214 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920324 686720 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310920328 486730 :glogbot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310920335 696341 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310920348 486334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, glogbackup didn't kick in. > 1310920418 245819 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920470 624822 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920510 991648 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920546 6890 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310920596 448431 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310920596 502371 :glogbot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310920604 18721 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310920604 541860 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310921190 822966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310921202 679397 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1310921338 390690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wrong answer. the correct answer is: if x is in the union, it is in one of the sets U_i by def of union. thus there's a ball around x completely inside U_i. but obviously the same ball is completely inside the union as well. so the union of open sets is open. < 1310921341 480253 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to take my sign into town because the weather looks... looming and my sign isn't waterproofed < 1310921359 283848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, when did you ask Sgeo a question? < 1310921373 443124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, just write it on your forehead. < 1310921388 595347 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for intersection, consider U = U_1 \cap ... \cap U_k, let u \in U and let B_{r_i}(x) \subset U_i for all i. now just take the smallest of the r_i, and it will of course be contained in all the U_i, and thus their intersection. < 1310921396 404610 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*x \in U < 1310921407 845830 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've badly timed this < 1310921411 323463 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost dinnertime < 1310921414 450057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, a finite intersection of open sets is open < 1310921415 151829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, FOREHEAD < 1310921419 12792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yesterday < 1310921426 431502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 12 hours ago < 1310921437 908394 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it tomorrow. Can't be bothered now < 1310921445 892888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and you expected Sgeo, who is inexplicably frightened of maths, to answer? < 1310921453 517863 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he proved the trivial cases < 1310921463 801776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i left and apparently he didn't continue! < 1310921488 646640 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not that those two cases weren't trivial < 1310921666 285059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, watching Doctor Who < 1310921679 383711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cglib why are you not working WHY < 1310921692 320722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading package OpenGL-2.2.3.0 ... linking ... : /usr/local/lib/GeomAlgLib-0.2.0/ghc-7.0.2/HSGeomAlgLib-0.2.0.o: unknown symbol `__stginit_ghczm7zi0zi2_Maybes_' < 1310921700 641063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that even mean?? < 1310921715 227505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctor who. i saw part of one episode of that and it reminded me of buffy the vampire slayer. < 1310921736 450503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i should watch it because buffy was an awesome show < 1310921745 311942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote doctor who. i saw part of one episode of that and it reminded me of buffy the vampire slayer. < 1310921748 533992 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :508) doctor who. i saw part of one episode of that and it reminded me of buffy the vampire slayer. < 1310921753 624067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No HE. Sigh. < 1310921762 334560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, HE is there. < 1310921765 435021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS. < 1310921767 460482 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christopher Eccleston was the best of New Who. < 1310921823 989686 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1310922237 33105 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back > 1310922456 997010 JOIN :#esoteric > 1310922497 54811 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310922497 353598 :glogbot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310922499 920448 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310922500 352417 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310922502 337673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that even meant to mean? < 1310922526 364566 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thunderstorm? < 1310922529 105759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, recursive function, duh. < 1310922535 980291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1310923172 589022 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1310923400 927025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to do something radical < 1310923454 721471 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use this channel to make an esoteric programming language < 1310923484 373805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ban it. < 1310923497 449216 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radical, eh? < 1310923530 285018 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you use this channel to make an esoteric programming language < 1310923549 556980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By throwing ideas at people < 1310923554 810993 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And seeing what bounces off < 1310923668 383894 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Taneb < 1310923696 683721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310923707 852558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this discrete math everybody keeps going on about. < 1310923717 565027 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very stealthy < 1310923727 5827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha ha. < 1310923744 272175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise that discrete is spelt differently to discreet, right/ < 1310923763 708063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't letting that get in the way of a good pun < 1310923892 132918 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1310923908 15764 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that esoteric programming language I was going to make... < 1310923917 801641 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Guest87848 < 1310923928 346410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is not as important as helping me to get cglib to work. < 1310923946 389085 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help you with that < 1310923965 420785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone here help Phantom_Hoover get cglib to work? < 1310923975 552232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1310923978 158130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are terrible. < 1310923985 577369 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im terible < 1310924022 935421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, you should just die. < 1310924074 140864 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there's no real definition, but if you want something other than a list of fields that are usually considered discrete, i can share my own heuristic: discrete math is stuff that starts with a finite set, non-discrete math starts with the reals. < 1310924102 974576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, but there are all these people talking about it as a school-level thing. < 1310924115 958335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans, of course, but whatever. < 1310924156 514417 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are real numbers defined in school level? < 1310924250 131873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: discrete math is not really done that much in unis < 1310924260 307301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in math < 1310924266 75527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, graph theory is discrete, no? < 1310924269 955731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, certainly < 1310924281 629459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has strong connections with analysis < 1310924295 179026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... does? < 1310924298 742245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, dinnertime < 1310924301 151613 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so depends on your view really, the way i've done it and seen it done it's definitely discrete < 1310924301 986311 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1310924305 419417 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PART :#esoteric < 1310924345 405053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well afaiu people get serious boners having planar graphs w.r.t. different topological spaces and shit like this < 1310924356 312534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh, right. < 1310924378 418029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about it, but someone here once said graph theory is just algebraic topology < 1310924383 729037 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1310924458 1603 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1310924504 754492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for instance symbolic dynamics, which is very discrete, is originally a tool for handling dynamical systems in general; dynamical system = topological space and a finite set of continuous functions on it (transformations say), mapping points around in some fun way, symbolic dynamics splits that space into a finite partition and considers the symbolic sequences obtained by taking one partition element and seeing on top of which partition elements it < 1310924528 740952 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1310924565 740728 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the discrete branch symbolic dynamics has given linear algebra one rather big number theoretical type result, and linear algebra is the most important tool in symbolic dynamics; so again strong connections. < 1310924581 193469 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(linear algebra is not at all discrete, since it starts with the reals :-)) < 1310924868 6006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also graph theory has connections with linear algebra probably since symbolic dynamics mostly studies SFTs and sofic systems, which on the other hand are just sets of possible paths in a finite graph. < 1310924880 616179 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i assume graph theory also cares about such paths < 1310924892 142593 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you prolly ask different kinds of questions < 1310924894 953835 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*although < 1310925856 717928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310925865 926199 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1310926164 556747 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1310926259 222026 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna switch clients < 1310926278 766492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-89-246.opaltelecom.net PART :#esoteric < 1310926314 293144 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310926321 159790 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1310926780 452749 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :had Duck Madras for dinner < 1310926942 246079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i shall use the common kitchen. < 1310926976 915486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously hope no one comes there while i'm "cooking" < 1310927356 738290 :GuestIceKovu!x@ANantes-259-1-169-11.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah < 1310927532 391871 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more double redirects! < 1310927534 767382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1310927642 730735 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Numberwang is tied fourth page for most categories < 1310927979 220052 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "12! 4.4! 92! 10! 49.8! 2! 2! 2!" do? < 1310927993 919388 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can change < 1310927995 855958 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on where it's used < 1310928008 846620 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When more than where < 1310928017 390489 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1310928027 188692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wouldn't 12 just run 3 which runs that program...? < 1310928060 354155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" its position in the program, and the step number is calculated." < 1310928061 674178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1310928068 118777 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of numberwang categories, how is it self-modifying? < 1310928083 737267 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was when I made the page < 1310928092 789382 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misunderstood, been meaning to remove that < 1310928134 771833 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refresh? < 1310928141 241039 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for usability unknown, I'd say it's unusable for programming < 1310928197 629550 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1310928205 309802 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually quite easy to write a Hello World program < 1310928211 547550 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just nobody's bothered < 1310928244 453156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a quine exist, or is that weird exception in play? < 1310928260 65348 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quine probably exists < 1310928281 716898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what weird exception? < 1310928304 669521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, something about not being able to do arbitrary outputs at arbitrary points < 1310928325 330134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, are you confusing this with arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point? < 1310928333 763260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be < 1310928400 935012 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon the shortest possible quine in Numberwang, excluding the null program, would abuse the numberwang operation a lot < 1310928409 22289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, if arbitrary ASCII output isn't allowed, then yes, a quine is impossible. < 1310928457 486378 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output is bit-by-bit < 1310928481 775997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if arbitrary ASCII output is possible, but requires something difficult, like brute-forcing a hash < 1310928500 623240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how that would work as a language < 1310928507 687154 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the boring trivial way < 1310928510 946229 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it and see, Sgeo < 1310928548 669898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not boring way: Output commands are collected then hashed and the hash is displayed as output < 1310928578 158278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does every possible SHA-1 hash (or maybe MD5, not sure which to go with) have at least one corresponding input? < 1310928726 955789 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly have no idea < 1310928802 745093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably impossible to tell < 1310928810 695585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as hard as reversing every hash < 1310928841 785333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF derivates are boring, but I'm too uncreative to come up with another ... underlying structure for what is essentially only an idea for how to do output < 1310928870 377764 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so, that would make it unknown whether a quine exists, or whether cat programs are possible. < 1310928879 280593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays, I favour the idea of "incremented ASCII" for output, you output, say, 11 for newline or 33 for space < 1310928883 616995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you can have EOF=0 without a clash < 1310928913 993967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For output? Isn't input what that's more necessary for? < 1310928921 586359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1310928925 798232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be symmetrical < 1310929068 512737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I finish this Doctor Who series, I'll write up my BF derivative < 1310929078 631777 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I do agree that BF derivatives suck < 1310929098 899377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too boring for anything else .... ooh, hash-reversing-based computation too? < 1310929116 660770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that whether it's TC or not is dependent on whether there's a reverse for every hash < 1310929138 114211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why do I have a feeling others have done this before, except with other "unknown" questions? < 1310929202 15069 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oozlybub and murphy < 1310929300 787314 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way of EOF=0 without clash is if you have more than 8-bits numbers you can make it so that 256 means output 0 byte, 1 or 257 means output 1 byte, etc. It can be used for input, too. There might also be other possibilities. < 1310929477 91526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1310929740 953475 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a Hello World program in Numberwang < 1310929817 993346 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts 2! 1! < 1310929818 191457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310929824 513318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay :P < 1310929884 693104 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually if you don't do any jumping you don't need to be that careful with phases, i think < 1310929920 42118 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you are using jumps < 1310929989 344784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just thinking that the beginning of the program is also the perfect spot to put a 3! command if you want to enter that easy row in my table < 1310929990 125881 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not < 1310930011 863223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the step number will be 1 when entering the subprogram < 1310930038 680329 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's handy < 1310930047 835225 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program starts with 3! now < 1310930057 599527 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've got moon chavs in my head < 1310930064 95767 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1310930104 677873 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a song < 1310930122 497544 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About a feature of the British population < 1310930127 463735 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lowest of the low < 1310930132 972969 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chavs" < 1310930145 614461 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1310930251 469676 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the safe numberwang flips the cell after where you start and the one after that < 1310930263 517716 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ends up in the one after the one where you start < 1310930276 644826 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you begin with [0...] < 1310930294 506777 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You end up with [0,1,1] with the current cell as the first "1" < 1310930303 622165 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...0..., iirc it's two-sided? < 1310930317 986848 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1310930329 649765 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can ignore that < 1310930332 701238 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...are you talking about bi-infinite sequences over a finite alphabet? < 1310930348 697565 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1310930353 743567 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1310930358 982119 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: over {0,1} yes, since that's what a numberwang tape is < 1310930360 774930 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310930386 15580 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, kay < 1310930411 739068 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine writing a quine in Numberwang < 1310930415 656616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nononononono, it's just 'okay'. < 1310930431 960134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the next command after the 3! will have the _same_ step number (mod 9), but of course incremented position < 1310930452 472679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: heh, that should be possible < 1310930461 713169 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i just expanded it into its little known second origin < 1310930463 630713 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maddening < 1310930530 9644 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well verbose, for sure < 1310930577 637735 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the shortest would use the numberwang operator in various imaginitive ways < 1310930645 16652 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...This would be a lot easier if the Numberwang operator's program was 1 number shorter < 1310930663 261829 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it wouldn't < 1310930668 910666 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confusing myself < 1310930699 579254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _bit_ easier, since you could then put several 3!'s in a row, but you would have to get lucky with which bits you needed < 1310930714 619524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to print < 1310930769 812267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's just 1 too long for that, you'll need some padding. oh hm. < 1310930796 679866 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 commands of padding, i think < 1310930811 66730 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be a nop if it fits < 1310930839 808494 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, wait a mo < 1310930857 942536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a 1,0,1,0 nop) < 1310930858 140889 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Numberwang sub-program has a length of 8 < 1310930876 60856 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corresponding commend has a length of 1 < 1310930879 931796 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+8=9 < 1310930894 214426 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which retains mod-nine-ness < 1310930895 380274 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, so the step number will be back to the same for the next main command < 1310930903 570151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the position will be incremented < 1310930909 991501 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant < 1310930955 99670 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, World!" actually starts 3! 2! 1! < 1310930991 431348 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 4 padding commands will increment the sum of step and position by 8 < 1310931020 535855 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting back in phase for another 3! < 1310931020 770887 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean two < 1310931030 260079 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean combined < 1310931107 845746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, HOMESTUCK UPDATE < 1310931111 506034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND FEDORAFREAK IS IN IT < 1310931115 260163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORDS CANNOT CONTAIN MY JOY < 1310931125 585845 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELL ME AS WELL < 1310931130 126085 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I READ HOMESTUCK < 1310931169 829901 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: um with 3! 2! that 2! will enter the numberwang program again right, but not at the easy row i think... < 1310931175 423605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, YES BUT YOU DIDN'T SHARE IN THE EXPERIENCE < 1310931214 949166 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would, because the two will change the step counter from 9 to 10 < 1310931219 264873 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 mod 9 = 1 < 1310931268 142106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god he's going to god tier isn't he IT'S ALL TRUE < 1310931272 872788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but the position is 1 now... < 1310931282 737252 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1310931292 990475 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subprogram has its own position < 1310931309 671719 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that works then < 1310931404 827340 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that means that you need 9 commands of padding to get back to the right step number if you need to change the bit < 1310931489 414396 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you'd want to set up the bits so that is rarely necessary < 1310931977 304712 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3!2!1!0! handily outputs the first four bits < 1310932198 9586 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310932279 880312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, I'm not going to learn Haskell just yet <-- AAAAAAWWWWW < 1310932285 670520 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1310932321 407530 :Nisstyre!~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1310932345 795565 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-169-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1310932363 25286 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to know a haskell coder on yahoo.. before i left yahoo < 1310932393 750378 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so recall yesterday or a year ago or whatever anyway i told ya i decided to eat my pizza and found that i had already eaten it. < 1310932394 489031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1310932395 470278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hadn't < 1310932398 654808 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in the microwave < 1310932416 110150 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :assumptions. < 1310932424 147394 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :never trust em < 1310932445 535440 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or memory < 1310932457 356887 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopolzheimer < 1310932458 859001 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that assumptions really come to life when it comes to "who did this?" < 1310932469 936569 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can't find it" "someone must have stolen it" < 1310932522 380795 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do let {x = 1}; x+2 < 1310932523 702140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1310932528 966224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell do let {x = 1}; x+2 < 1310932555 45375 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = print $ do let {x = 1}; x+2 < 1310932555 456565 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent < 1310932570 769516 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a difficult idea to break if you have it in your head < 1310932590 226198 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you don't deduce things and make associations, you are a stone < 1310932605 357303 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they relaxed the typing of do expressions somewhere been EgoBot's and lambdabot's haskell versions < 1310932636 121555 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :prescribing omnipotence to someone causes a lot of problems < 1310932644 545011 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably to make that rebindable syntax stuff work better < 1310932667 409569 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in other words, you can't model a human as a discrete system. maybe noone else does something that dumb < 1310932680 534717 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i seem to do it < 1310932691 625395 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:24 < itidus20> to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent < 1310932694 633095 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1310932701 737721 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being literal. < 1310932717 704423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a >>= f = f a + 1 in do x <- 3; 2*x < 1310932718 895085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instances for (GHC.Num.Num (m (m b)), GHC.Num.Num (m b)) < 1310932719 312422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from... < 1310932719 510574 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception < 1310932723 6742 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no rule which applies to someone all of the time < 1310932731 98097 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm human. all the time. < 1310932735 140665 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that was a bit too much to hope for < 1310932735 338620 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1310932742 126072 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about tautologies < 1310932748 221179 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, but what is a human ( :-s ) < 1310932761 295697 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm stretching < 1310932767 87526 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm alive except when I'm not < 1310932770 609318 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a human is a stage in evolution < 1310932778 589511 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a rule now I'm omnipotent < 1310932782 228168 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im stretching too far < 1310932819 411536 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you admit that to be alive has an excetion ^_^;; < 1310932821 124626 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't get how you jumped from "follows a rule precisely" to "must be omnipotent" < 1310932847 156939 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok.. uhh < 1310932860 64811 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying my no true scotsman logic. < 1310932903 417558 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a human behaves according to a rule, without exception, is to assume they are omnipotent < 1310932929 762104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: This presumes that obeying the rule requires omnipotence. < 1310932942 245281 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all rules possess that property. < 1310932944 216376 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to obey a rule without exception does < 1310932948 823747 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1310932950 506624 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310932960 645655 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't. < 1310932961 520565 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ok now this is getting interesting < 1310932976 375585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, allow that collections of rules are themselves rules. < 1310932988 69252 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the rule is "Think while conscious"? < 1310932988 555035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, allow that the set of possible exceptions is finite. < 1310933036 887530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Following a rule allowing for exceptions is therefore itself a rule. < 1310933037 916491 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought obeying a rule without exception means your not omnipotent < 1310933052 567424 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Not if you are doing so willfully. < 1310933070 155921 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Then, you can be omnipotent but willfully not exploiting it. < 1310933105 766319 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, a good example might be to say of a fighter that he never loses < 1310933126 203329 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he truely never lost then he would be omnipotent < 1310933138 787211 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) and this accounts for every case? < 1310933141 617380 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) no it doesn't mean that < 1310933156 366355 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1310933161 734798 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mean rules of the form "can do x" < 1310933202 967346 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could try to fight him but be guaranteed to lose < 1310933258 450976 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Not rules are such that obedience requires omnipotence, however. Ergo, your claim is false. :) < 1310933271 931519 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that doesn't even require omnipotence. < 1310933282 132280 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that he be stronger than everything else that fights. < 1310933311 443789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe itidus20 isn't using omnipotence to mean what we think of as "omnipotence"? < 1310933314 789592 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was better at logic i probably wouldn't need to argue about such a thing < 1310933323 336850 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and might be happier in life < 1310933334 181764 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic certainly makes you happy < 1310933334 667786 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case his argument fails for inattentive use of vocabulary. :) < 1310933411 761786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking in general is the way to happiness. only someone who does not spend all day thinking about whether life has any kind of point can truly get depressed. < 1310933434 600542 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :something starts the thinking off though < 1310933447 602562 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a scab forming in response to an injury < 1310933458 130997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what? Are you saying chemical imbalances cannot occur in phlosophers? < 1310933480 333068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's incredibly obvious sarcasm. < 1310933490 972586 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hoped it was < 1310933510 131846 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :added the "whether life has any kind of point" just to make sure < 1310933536 566161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1310933548 400835 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgive you < 1310933557 855544 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo the famously bad at responding appropriately to sarcasm bisexual < 1310933564 187406 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310933596 348902 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get where this "Sgeo is famously bisexual" meme is coming from < 1310933602 43286 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as Sgeo is famously bad at responding to "the sarcasm bisexual" < 1310933610 659808 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a quote i saw on a forum signature once about some yeast talking to some vinegar(i forget exactly what?) blissfully unaware that they were in the process of becoming bread < 1310933610 961554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if i was better at logic i probably wouldn't need to argue about such a thing <-- applying logic to omnipotence probably does not work very well. perhaps for similar reasons to russell's paradox. < 1310933612 463100 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering, who's the sarcasm bisexual? < 1310933616 154817 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310933624 138117 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :' I still don't get where this "Sgeo is famously bisexual" meme is coming from' <<< classic Sgeo :D < 1310933626 985180 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: purpose of life < 1310933634 802497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, where did that come from. < 1310933645 971060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's non-classic Sgeo? < 1310933660 148027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^Let me guess, that's more classic Sgeo < 1310933667 876766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was that crystal-cola troll, but then I looked at the logs and crystal-cola said that stuff in response to famous bisexuals. < 1310933682 848947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a list of famous bisexuals on wp < 1310933691 522369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that hilarious < 1310933691 720142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No there isn't. < 1310933698 663225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a list of lists of famous bisexuals. < 1310933709 841465 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1310933714 717522 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway even better < 1310933720 247606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it occurs to me that I know someone who's bisexual who co-authored a chapter of a textbook < 1310933741 247817 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It wasn't me < 1310933752 660686 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not bisexual < 1310933769 841690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: obviously it would've been me in this case, since Sgeo was responding badly to my sarcasm < 1310933772 53106 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor have I co-authored a chapter of a textbook < 1310933809 489366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accused oklopol of being openly heterosexual once < 1310933836 365982 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1310933839 506145 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe i have disclosed my sexuality < 1310933855 529182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1310933857 772357 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even a quote about it < 1310933896 884805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess for all intents and purposes i'm straight tho < 1310933941 516822 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all intents and purposes **it usually doesn't matter** (I think) < 1310933972 213631 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously i mean intents and purposes where it does matter < 1310933975 48520 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the purpose/intent of matchmaking < 1310933978 58001 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310933996 132425 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sexmaking < 1310934011 778256 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Willing sexmaking, in anycase < 1310934017 595040 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1310934018 504290 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for those purposes it would matter. < 1310934053 248875 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't matter for purpose of co-authoring a textbook. < 1310934072 360828 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that much no < 1310934082 68480 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1310934097 923298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the textbook involves personal sexual experiences. Which would be a really weird textbook. < 1310934111 762277 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this bubbly water thingie has added calcium and it says "scientifically proven to be a good source of calcium" on the bottle < 1310934150 732855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they actually made scientists test the added calcium was actually in there after the fact just to be able to add that :D < 1310934174 116831 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's things like that why people don't trust science < 1310934235 619952 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310934266 619954 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be interesting? < 1310934279 306068 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be interesting? < 1310934280 659049 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BCT interpreter in Dwarf Fortress < 1310934301 581039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's already a computational system in DF. < 1310934308 819320 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My DVI optimizer program works! Tell me if you have other suggestions related to such program. < 1310934356 417600 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DVI?) < 1310934367 570782 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like pdf < 1310934373 158823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except older. < 1310934373 437108 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Device Independent format < 1310934384 821212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And used by noöne except zzo38, because he's nuts. < 1310934393 790251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use it every day < 1310934406 630045 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-167-114.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310934415 361082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's only really used as an intermediate form for TeX. < 1310934419 613220 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most reliable latex output format on my system atm < 1310934438 624913 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, it *was* invented in the nasty old days before Postscript. < 1310934440 845792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It can be; the final format would be the printer's native format, such as PCL or whatever. < 1310934456 652363 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :something wrong with pdf output and my ps viewer is horrible < 1310934458 234520 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PostScript and PDF is full of dumb things. < 1310934468 397642 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The point is that the only things that really output it are TeX. < 1310934479 890537 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I make other programs that produce DVI files too. < 1310934486 337462 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even groff can do so, I think. < 1310934504 157519 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone use anything other than tex/latex when you can use tex/latex < 1310934505 547869 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make any program for printing, DVI format is the format I use. < 1310934518 323554 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it very easy to forget that roff is used for anything but man pages. :) < 1310934552 910425 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: TeX is very good but sometimes you would need different kind of program for printing. < 1310934553 740540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because it's evil open sourcery. regards, microsoft. < 1310934587 406787 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: like what? < 1310934775 710411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Various things, including music, ANYTODVI, things not supported by TeX, and sometimes it is useful to just write a C program that directly produces print output. You might also convert other formats in some cases (not scanned documents though; I believe that is what DjVu is for). < 1310934777 99883 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1310934807 481114 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: like what? < 1310934807 679366 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Disconnected < 1310934827 483073 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disconnected? < 1310934831 459376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Various things, including music, ANYTODVI, things not supported by TeX, and sometimes it is useful to just write a C program that directly produces print output. You might also convert other formats in some cases (not scanned documents though; I believe that is what DjVu is for). < 1310934875 347972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server didn't recognize the disconnection < 1310934885 635719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1310934886 191278 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus i told you about it < 1310934895 4965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1310935053 918115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cases that you might write other programs converting some format directly to DVI, such as ESC/P. < 1310935090 297015 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few other people I have talked to agree that PostScript and PDF are full of dumb things, although one person preferred PCL. < 1310935210 477419 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't really care, they all look the same on paper < 1310935224 736913 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compilation time is roughly the same < 1310935321 426679 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can use what you want, and you can publish the book. However, PostScript and PDF can sometimes produce fuzzy output on paper (I have experienced this). < 1310935342 323364 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1310935500 850223 :foocraft!~ewanas@78.101.149.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1310935523 925538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course they are all being converted to PCL, although the resulting PCL data can become different. < 1310935542 823035 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean being converted < 1310935596 801954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you convert DVI or PostScript or PDF or whatever into PCL so that the printer can accept it. < 1310935892 431049 :foocraft!~ewanas@89.211.137.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1310936385 288745 :Guest87848!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1310936658 90153 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight everyone < 1310936682 6859 :Taneb!540d59f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.89.246 QUIT :Quit: being forced to go to bed < 1310937284 808671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, one of the people in #jesus just called himself a prophet < 1310937333 982266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> its my responsibility as a prophet to tell you what God wants me to < 1310937334 218568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> rather then what you want to hear < 1310937347 801259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(name deleted due to this being a publically logged channel) < 1310937440 784135 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1310937449 152176 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn the witch! < 1310937452 383257 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is that sort of thing unusual for #jesus? < 1310937551 200293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one particular corner in Birmingham City Centre which is good for finding evangelists < 1310937567 529175 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/k7Rqy.jpg < 1310937567 753995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually Christian; they're ranting too much to figure out the specific sort of Christianity they believe in < 1310937625 175977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god apparently the Catholic church is the New World Order I love this channel. < 1310937633 111645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even describe, it's too much. < 1310937633 729891 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#jesus? < 1310937638 941841 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehe < 1310937646 543423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1310937901 183014 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you show him Gödel's ontological proof and tell him why modal logic is bad? < 1310937903 366404 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: bedtime < 1310938060 178499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:54:52: Loading package OpenGL-2.2.3.0 ... linking ... : /usr/local/lib/GeomAlgLib-0.2.0/ghc-7.0.2/HSGeomAlgLib-0.2.0.o: unknown symbol `__stginit_ghczm7zi0zi2_Maybes_' < 1310938060 455579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:55:00: What does that even mean?? < 1310938060 733230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1310938064 433896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you have problems beyond you < 1310938113 86248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:56:07: Christopher Eccleston was the best of New Who. < 1310938113 365123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man okay I love Eccleston and people who don't love Eccleston are bad but are you really saying he's better than Tennant. < 1310938135 836920 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ridiculous < 1310938158 727175 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Matt Smith has been surprisingly good < 1310938171 590877 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just doesn't quite have the wrath down like Tennant did < 1310938185 799688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen two episodes of Eccleston, is that why I think he might not be the best? < 1310938189 792111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like recent Doctor Who at all < 1310938191 481722 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The Catholic Church the *new* world order? < 1310938197 921999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Define recent < 1310938199 590569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes. < 1310938208 274683 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a dr who anime thing that someone made < 1310938209 530429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they're ancient Egypt, as well. < 1310938210 645662 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the "Older than dirt world order"? < 1310938211 540720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: since and including Eccleston, i.e. after the really long hiatus < 1310938218 768894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i watched that, it was really really bad < 1310938219 894676 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone gave me a link, but it was too confusing. < 1310938227 81398 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Doctor Who 2005 < 1310938232 363242 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :standards are too high ;_; < 1310938241 410656 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That phrase, incidentally, is retarded. < 1310938253 411331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ever seen Blink? Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead? (OK yes River Song is in it but it was before she was an insufferable plot element.) < 1310938254 384548 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New World Order? < 1310938262 224043 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Yes. < 1310938265 795772 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed < 1310938266 874891 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: if it was crap it's due to the style rather than the quality < 1310938268 882503 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOVVS ORDO SECLORVM is "New Order of the Ages", people. < 1310938269 994914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, here, have the truth: http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/48146280?access_key=key-191mra1tp1fxslz2rem8 < 1310938270 664959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think I've seen any of those < 1310938277 369825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped watching it for religious reasons after a bit < 1310938281 173037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange as I'm not religious < 1310938301 55093 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blink is a great episode. < 1310938302 738632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You should; I don't know of anyone who thinks they aren't awesome, even non-Doctor Who-likers < 1310938311 130993 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the Angels stop being scary after the first episode. < 1310938352 201583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: yeah, but it took years for Moffat to ruin that. < 1310938359 329408 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1310938372 39000 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh God the derp. < 1310938377 324896 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think that Amy is my favorite companion so far, though < 1310938385 427049 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in the new series < 1310938401 99283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, I liked Martha, TbH. < 1310938420 476744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really, really want to find whoever paired her off with Mickey and kick them until they say sorry. < 1310938433 853146 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Rose? < 1310938434 547780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like all the companions, does that make me bad? Well, Rose was a bit annoying, but not THAT annoying. < 1310938445 420557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, no, I mean Martha. < 1310938452 134543 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't put my finger on what put me off about Martha, so it's probably latent racism.~ < 1310938476 637954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wow, wait, that was a thing that happened? Like Rose Mickey? < 1310938477 395525 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it could just be her accent and that I found her uninteresting until the last few episodes < 1310938477 812640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha < 1310938484 792690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep. < 1310938493 512418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's because of that Associates of Doctor Who Social Club. < 1310938503 915094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what makes me *angry* about it is that she was already engaged when we last saw her. < 1310938515 469876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would involve hiring a new actor. < 1310938516 471785 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY CONTINUITY < 1310938527 779957 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY FANFICTION < 1310938529 314394 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUINED < 1310938536 700240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote MY CONTINUITY MY FANFICTION RUINED < 1310938538 647757 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :509) MY CONTINUITY MY FANFICTION RUINED < 1310938546 516219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, I don't care about those things! < 1310938549 900073 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1310938570 514332 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to devise a Doctor Who related palindrome < 1310938572 476504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16:54:52: [...] unknown symbol `__stginit_ghczm7zi0zi2_Maybes_' <-- stginit stuff is part of the ghc runtime system, i think. maybe something has not been linked properly, or there is version incompatibility? < 1310938583 711283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, like I said: problems beyond your reach < 1310938590 484635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reinstall GHC, compile everything again, hope it doesn't break < 1310938592 382761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the fact that they cared about her character so little that they completely ignored the development that had been set up. < 1310938601 791134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Theory: It was a different Martha. < 1310938603 182782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it was a self-compiled library! < 1310938640 528870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Was The End of Time really really awesome, or am I just imagining that memory? < 1310938651 641947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK but now back to the on-topic activity of logreading. < 1310938653 663274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, remind me which one that was. < 1310938656 449481 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-14.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1310938666 596270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that one. < 1310938707 970516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pretty terrible from a characterisation and plot standpoint, but from a "stuff blows up" standpoint it was pretty good. < 1310938728 807624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:48:01: What if arbitrary ASCII output is possible, but requires something difficult, like brute-forcing a hash < 1310938729 6495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't brute-force a hash, not really < 1310938739 615624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, as an output mechanism that doesn't work, at least any way I can think of < 1310938748 971615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because every hash has aleph-null strings < 1310938753 48408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really liked Human Nature/The Family of Blood, but I can't see anyone else who did. < 1310938760 174036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I did! < 1310938763 279997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I seem to have missed the End of Time < 1310938796 603971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO GOOD < 1310938846 346382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:49:38: Wait, does every possible SHA-1 hash (or maybe MD5, not sure which to go with) have at least one corresponding input? < 1310938846 582604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not known AFAIK < 1310938858 327627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an insanely difficult thing to prove, too < 1310938864 651150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:53:22: it's probably impossible to tell < 1310938865 35164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:53:30: or as hard as reversing every hash < 1310938872 135053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:48:01: What if arbitrary ASCII output is possible, but requires something difficult, like brute-forcing a hash < 1310938875 1114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: come now, this is mathematics, you can prove theorems in ways other than brute froce. < 1310938889 408591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he just means that the output instruction outputs a hash. < 1310938891 611590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed; it's just that hashes are designed specifically to try to stop people proving things about them < 1310938903 298009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:54:39: nowadays, I favour the idea of "incremented ASCII" for output, you output, say, 11 for newline or 33 for space < 1310938903 496556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:54:43: because then you can have EOF=0 without a clash < 1310938903 694943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:55:21: well, yes < 1310938903 695110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:55:25: but it should be symmetrical < 1310938908 242738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: outputting 0 should close stdout :) < 1310938908 961582 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I liked Family of Blood < 1310938914 104284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want to output x, you need to work out y such that hash(y) = x. < 1310938915 838611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed < 1310939120 91226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are true and false one and zero in underlambda? < 1310939130 258351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1310939133 654609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the Church numerals for those < 1310939157 862987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, output instruction ouutputitng a hash is what I'm thinking of < 1310939166 490653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, fits what I want, and I did think of < 1310939169 840538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how easy is it to write the function "0 ==> 0; x > 0 ==> 1" where x is guaranteed to be a church numeral? < 1310939182 560707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1310939186 925128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1310939195 143710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can't output strings whose length is not a certain multiple < 1310939198 914263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the hash output length < 1310939206 381708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the zero? function is pretty basic. < 1310939212 258995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in underlambda < 1310939216 780976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1310939224 496388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you could omit trailing zeroes from the output but then you couldn't end output with zeroes < 1310939269 756873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS Haskell, why do you need to make it so hard to extract items from a tuple. < 1310939280 895885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a,b,c) -> a < 1310939281 973176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Typeable typeOf3 :: Typeable3 t => t a b c -> TypeRep < 1310939282 171117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Typeable typeOf2Default :: (Typeable3 t, Typeable a) => t a b c -> TypeRep < 1310939287 438024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean come on. < 1310939287 855737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't use three-tuples. < 1310939289 251881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't. < 1310939292 299674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, use pattern matching. < 1310939294 363508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show your code. < 1310939300 178485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, guess what, the library I'm using uses them. < 1310939304 7782 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use template haskell < 1310939304 946124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Show your code. < 1310939305 780780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell only supports tuples up to the size of 2 < 1310939310 404275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1310939314 300762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Show your code.Phantom_Hoover: Show your code. < 1310939316 292580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Show your code.Phantom_Hoover: Show your code.Phantom_Hoover: Show your code. < 1310939318 75732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shacode < 1310939322 892737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what code? < 1310939324 923036 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :bob_loblaw < 1310939327 308536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The library? < 1310939328 137539 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their code < 1310939331 267399 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your code < 1310939334 963811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your code. < 1310939335 813567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, easy to work around < 1310939337 945744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code you are trying to extract. < 1310939341 803386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An element. < 1310939343 441885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a tuple in. < 1310939349 125087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because < 1310939351 997299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = x + y + z < 1310939355 203473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where (x,y,z) = f blah < 1310939357 952901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems good enough to me. < 1310939363 758448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I... don't have any code. < 1310939385 718516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then why are you complaining about a function being missing? < 1310939387 948213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make last byte indicate .. no, make first byte indicate... hm < 1310939390 460339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to use it imaginarily? < 1310939405 912800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: make the first byte indicate how many bytes of the rest of the hash to output minus one < 1310939409 294369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so that 0 prints one byte) < 1310939410 704625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out how this library's data structures work. < 1310939418 439786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: assuming hashes are less than two hundred something bytes that should work fine < 1310939424 210961 :bob_loblaw!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1310939439 913133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if it specifies a length longer than the hash, either: - cut out the rest; - make that invalid; - or fix the hash length so that it's exactly two hundred and fifty six bytes long < 1310939441 720007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would that be seven < 1310939442 136803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1310939454 873272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception < 1310939456 11261 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :510) to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception < 1310939477 58042 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got to that bit? < 1310939481 773613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1310939483 452589 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good bit < 1310939487 236199 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310939508 900106 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hath i wrought < 1310939523 4506 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, was there a good bit? I haven't been following #esoteric today < 1310939542 943946 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we were comparing penis lengths and shit as usual < 1310939556 605414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: /msg < 1310939559 976321 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok heres a useful example of what i had in mind < 1310939583 519551 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any monitor made by ???? company will be reliable." < 1310939604 615594 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you already explain by a rule you meant a capability to solve certain kinds of problems < 1310939613 616223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: do you mean omniscient, not omnipotent? < 1310939637 802006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like River Song < 1310939683 556091 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that seeing reality as rules _without having a capacity to be flexible on those rules_ leads to abundant errors assumptions and misconceptions. < 1310939702 58817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok < 1310939717 384364 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i.e. omnipotence? < 1310939785 39937 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone showed me an image before which brings a great example to mind < 1310939791 850882 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: You just need more precisely defined rules :D < 1310939793 240953 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what about when those rules are provably correct? < 1310939793 606653 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Titanic is unsinkable." < 1310939800 84775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:11:20: Sgeo, it's incredibly obvious sarcasm. < 1310939800 362538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:11:30: i hoped it was < 1310939800 561188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:11:50: added the "whether life has any kind of point" just to make sure < 1310939800 561354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:12:16: Sorry < 1310939800 561455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:12:28: i forgive you < 1310939800 759095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, itidus20. < 1310939803 291243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad Sgeo < 1310939804 971023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1310939809 160091 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Titanic is unsinkable." "I believe you bro." < 1310939812 260228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That very clearly makes your point. < 1310939814 952883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: "All integers are either negative or positive." < 1310939819 260383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: are the integers omnipotent < 1310939820 494175 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the titanic is sinkable" "oh man omnipotence" < 1310939831 538663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, I like River Song < 1310939833 59242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1310939835 197640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................ < 1310939839 821423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....................................................................................................... < 1310939842 191490 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's 0 < 1310939844 137728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: he's saying that the only way for the titanic to be not-sunk in all possible universes is for the titanic to be able to meld reality itself so that this does not happen < 1310939844 335948 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1310939857 19779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: which is sort of reasonable enough, in that it basically has to override physics < 1310939870 526615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: and the only way to do that without contradicting the laws of physics is to stop all world-states where it sinks from happening < 1310939873 584725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. be "omnipotent" in a sense < 1310939875 160193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but come on < 1310939884 168884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a block of styrofoam is unsinkable. < 1310939886 684428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clearly doesn't apply to tautological statements, i.e. anything mathematical. < 1310939892 770828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's a tautology < 1310939899 775494 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :meld? now you're just making up words. < 1310939909 710640 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By contrast, I can say with mathematical certitude that there exists at least one possible universe where the Titanic sank < 1310939914 935495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that non-tautological statements (i.e. statements that can be false in a possible world) cannot be guaranteed to be true without some sort of filtering of states being done < 1310939924 382679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: right < 1310939931 326426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not really clear how omnipotence comes in because like < 1310939941 688607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one world that actually happens, and infinite possible worlds < 1310939946 316797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't change the possible worlds < 1310939953 643104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dunno, i guess it just gives you great luck < 1310939954 336260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1310939955 35947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is < 1310939958 985400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the integers aren't omnipotent < 1310939966 329792 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1310939979 714136 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an excellent point to make. < 1310939985 916315 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that'd make a great next step in the vein of Flat(ter)land < 1310939992 751038 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to rush things too much, but my intended focus was that qualities other than unsinkability can be applied to humans and their behavior. < 1310940001 177000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it is. < 1310940004 130654 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Abraham and the Integers" < 1310940004 328600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure we can all agree on that. < 1310940008 597685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well < 1310940013 455722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of "the integers are god" type sentiment < 1310940014 94180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe < 1310940014 966979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the integers < 1310940015 568384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE < 1310940017 289230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnipotent???? < 1310940019 170192 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know math. :D < 1310940027 437404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then so is the set {{}}, because all of its elements are {} :/ < 1310940029 672883 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else "the natural numbers are god" if you prefer that. < 1310940032 199909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1310940036 367528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all mathematical objects are omnipotent < 1310940039 32813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this itidus20 i like it < 1310940055 786444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:14:27: I assumed it was that crystal-cola troll, but then I looked at the logs and crystal-cola said that stuff in response to famous bisexuals. < 1310940067 566585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Come on, you don't have to belittle fax by pretending you don't know who e is. < 1310940070 364979 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go tell #math that we've proved the existence of god < 1310940077 747846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, yeah, that was unclear. < 1310940101 541375 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-234-68.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1310940102 236186 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinitely many gods, even < 1310940103 479795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think fax is even intentionally a troll, e's just... really bad at this social interaction stuff. < 1310940105 802193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was "that time crystal-cola trolled". < 1310940108 335087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1310940115 249435 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-34.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1310940116 638740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, he admitted that was trolling. < 1310940121 555372 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is glad that something he said meant something to someone else. < 1310940144 327171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A daring one who would be sure of fax's gender after all this time :-P < 1310940145 712085 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself < 1310940150 405979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it was trolling. < 1310940153 481055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just... really bad and obvious trolling. < 1310940155 12862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that even count. < 1310940158 239628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself < 1310940159 732692 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :511) god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself < 1310940216 326282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:21:37: Unless the textbook involves personal sexual experiences. Which would be a really weird textbook. < 1310940221 782719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sgeo guide to calculus < 1310940253 725376 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. < 1310940261 946730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why < 1310940262 591102 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :does any point conform to a line? < 1310940267 72356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was he even saying that. < 1310940271 769195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, what does that actually mean? < 1310940277 643028 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to write that textbook < 1310940282 573914 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm or is it.. < 1310940301 244374 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: how easy is it to write the function "0 ==> 0; x > 0 ==> 1" where x is guaranteed to be a church numeral? <-- it's easy enough in underload at least. lessee, (!())~^(!())~^ i think < 1310940323 732797 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think its useful to think of a rule as a line < 1310940327 104039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but underlambda has all these fancy things :D < 1310940333 710567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's very easy, you basically, just do (0 to the power of (0 to the power of n)) < 1310940337 171972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, on the relevancy or lack thereof of sexual orientation in writing textbooks < 1310940338 260792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what oerjan's code above does < 1310940347 790060 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1310940349 586250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why was that even a topic of discussion. < 1310940350 780705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1310940357 763819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok was writing a textbook, wasn't he. < 1310940359 518533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 to the n is generally useful enough that it'll be a single character in Underlambda < 1310940359 716390 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :an object cannot stay on a line forever < 1310940366 104838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what if it's a point? < 1310940367 203979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fair enough; I think your incremented IO formulation is better if you say "false" than 0; it seems less arbitrary < 1310940372 398352 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Homosexuals are better at computer science, heterosexuals are better at analysis? < 1310940372 965284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although fails to explain why you need to increment, I suppose < 1310940377 573096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but then you have more than one type of true < 1310940381 482609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was just wondering how easy it was to write a "if non-zero" in Underlambda < 1310940386 466784 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklofok was writing a textbook, wasn't he." <<< xD < 1310940386 825714 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should very carefully state that my math is the lowest in the room. < 1310940387 122260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty easy, it seems < 1310940388 796523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1310940392 198093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fails on non-Smith numerals right? < 1310940398 196676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smith numerals? < 1310940399 692126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: but Sgeo is in here? < 1310940405 43804 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i write math in a pretty boring way usually actually < 1310940407 933479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dammit, you beat me to it. < 1310940408 907662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is my math really that bad? < 1310940412 520610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Underload numerals aren't Church numerals, they would need an extra caret after it < 1310940417 903369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, i'm just being snarky :) < 1310940418 782293 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: I'm serious.. I am not a math guy < 1310940418 980691 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to spice it up < 1310940421 969146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no, but you are really weird about it. < 1310940435 733590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're actually *scared* of it, rather than incompetent. < 1310940437 279992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So I gave oerjan the task of renaming them and now you have an eponymous numeral representation :-P < 1310940440 527569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1310940440 926516 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps no object is a point < 1310940455 76152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, or perhaps... ALL the objects are points. < 1310940460 499292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I think that only works on Smith numerals, which is fine ofc when you're dealing with streams < 1310940474 494859 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't want to think of himself as scared of math < 1310940475 144678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, it would be nice if you could generalise "incrementing" to arbitrary quotations... feels gross to have all streams forced to use integers < 1310940477 406953 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 objects will eventually lose synch from a line < 1310940481 157036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what else would you want it to work on? < 1310940481 713161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider myself to like math :( < 1310940482 675009 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, itidus20: but then they'd be omnipotent < 1310940485 15962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do it on arbitrary functions < 1310940487 868255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: every object < 1310940492 62006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without being able to solve the halting problem < 1310940494 818969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you could map a stream of (x :: X)s to false and f(x) for some f < 1310940497 672536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course you can < 1310940500 591827 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What kind of math do you like? < 1310940503 859244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, oh, of course. < 1310940510 92642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just wrap the quotation somehow < 1310940512 995641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I consider myself to like math :( < 1310940516 221467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that makes it distinguishable from 0 < 1310940521 343283 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 3 objects in the universe will stay in line forever (but this is just using the impermenance rule :-s ) < 1310940525 814500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've repeatedly said you don't like formal science because of the maths. < 1310940532 69765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, ...impermanence rule? < 1310940535 926878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean boxing objects into a standard form and tagging them to say what they are? < 1310940539 297898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's what Feather does < 1310940546 918188 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not that I would call a lot of what the formal sciences do "math" :D < 1310940550 420245 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddha gotama's rule that everything comes to an end < 1310940552 865025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: argh, shut up :D < 1310940560 248815 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But at least they beat the social sciences < 1310940562 1930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just saying that anything that can only handle integers sucks :P < 1310940562 199785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, oh come on. < 1310940566 99133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is overcomplicated for Underlambda < 1310940568 386292 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again my mentor told me buddha wasn't that great at math < 1310940572 352599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make it handle, say, strings too < 1310940573 186536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, physics is completely mathematically modelled. < 1310940579 57953 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1310940580 962721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, um... I suppose that's true? < 1310940583 141225 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not rigorously < 1310940586 458465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Now now, Phantom_Hoover's literal hate of anyone who does a soft science is bad enough. < 1310940587 292995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, yes? < 1310940589 406377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : By contrast, I can say with mathematical certitude that there exists at least one possible universe where the Titanic sank <-- rubbish, it was a coverup and it was really abducted by aliens < 1310940591 681969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has itidus20 misinterpreted what the channel's about? < 1310940593 532247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : NihilistDandy: Now now, Phantom_Hoover's literal hate of anyone who does a soft science is bad enough. < 1310940594 505487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2d23d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I like my math getting mixed up with practicality. Also, I need paper or a paper like thing, it's been a while < 1310940594 703297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1310940598 649327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, astoundingly < 1310940605 624016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I, then? < 1310940610 234476 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was about esoteric programming languages. < 1310940610 432578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps :-) < 1310940611 953245 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1310940616 256728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1310940617 152948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, it is, ostensibly. < 1310940619 605049 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1310940620 480782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, supposed to be < 1310940624 836799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What? < 1310940632 589689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom "Kate Beaton is literally the only humanities major I respect" Hoover < 1310940635 92345 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : What? < 1310940636 724673 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I don't think I like my math getting mixed up with practicality." <<< seconded < 1310940644 75133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, define:hyperbole < 1310940646 799188 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Thirded. < 1310940663 687047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourthed. < 1310940672 404857 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1310940673 556817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Define:sarcasm on my original statement < 1310940678 42067 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the room has spokened < 1310940678 240501 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's a lot of "the integers are god" type sentiment <-- a kroneckal mistake < 1310940678 240682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seventhed < 1310940691 790101 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *sigh* < 1310940694 459013 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it said < 1310940696 680726 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also funny < 1310940709 477007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy isn't used to oerjan's puns by now? :D < 1310940717 162665 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said that math mixed with practicality is not popular < 1310940730 337083 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Usually I am, but sometimes... sometimes I get blindsided < 1310940734 503454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, no, we just like counting. < 1310940736 449901 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's popular amongst bad people < 1310940794 226353 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, my mom believes that the brand-name of a food in a supermarket tells her information about the food. It is something I have to slowly educate her about < 1310940806 388941 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Math is about pi and the Fibonacci sequence, obviously. The way people go on about differentiable manifolds and assembly maps, you'd think they were somehow conceptally different from those foundations. < 1310940837 514343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: oh dear, you might be in a competition with Sgeo for misinformed parents there < 1310940848 355552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least your response to the situation is a sane one < 1310940854 259619 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What do Sgeo's parents think? < 1310940854 457380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: like what information < 1310940862 546317 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the sgeo guide to calculus <-- you've never seen curves so smooth < 1310940870 423742 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DS < 1310940870 828367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: auuuuuuuuugh < 1310940871 577881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I don't know, my mind blotted it out to save me from the stupid < 1310940872 2591 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION claps < 1310940877 250318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure other people here can remember, though < 1310940877 624758 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the brandnamed one is inherently superior < 1310940905 13885 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the stupidest bit is that he's studying at a school without a CS program. < 1310940912 986479 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At his father's suggestion. < 1310940917 798707 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :She also believes things that are written on the packaging like fat-free.. or approved by such and such a foundation < 1310940927 427746 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wut. God why < 1310940934 586376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is... is ais523 insulting someone. < 1310940937 885246 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: He's getting some sort of IT degree. < 1310940938 83385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, god only knows. < 1310940948 86755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, well only indirectly, and not someone here < 1310940950 414232 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Which requires more *business* classes than math. < 1310940954 328182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ais523 hides his scheming plots behind a veneer of objectivity. < 1310940956 969992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUN WHILE YOU STILL HAVE A CHANCE < 1310940961 238643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1310940966 917203 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I used to be in that situation. My mother thought I was doing CS. I had to explain to her that she was wrong and possibly broken < 1310940972 354390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't I be objective /and/ insult people? < 1310940975 110606 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais has also taken a lot of business stuff < 1310940981 945006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, what were you doing? < 1310940985 453805 :itidus20!~itidus20@c210-49-78-148.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad used to explain that the company gets paid a fortune to put their foundation's logo on the food and that, foods without the logo could potentially pass the standards to have the logo. < 1310940990 245276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I'm having trouble parsing your sentence < 1310940992 944149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: "wrong and possibly broken" X-D < 1310940994 484184 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Information Security and Forensics, they called it < 1310940997 604728 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Calc I is the highest math class he is required to take. < 1310941002 420040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, resolving the words in it into possible meanings for those words < 1310941007 725305 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly code monkeying and networking < 1310941024 203257 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could fulfill the programming requirements with Visual Basic. < 1310941027 111861 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was at RIT, though, so it's not like it was some nonsense program < 1310941030 618065 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just wasn't my style < 1310941079 575759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: So I gave oerjan the task of renaming them and now you have an eponymous numeral representation :-P <-- wait i recall there was a discussion, but i don't recall that i was the one who suggested naming them after ais523 < 1310941103 385409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you did, after the < 1310941105 79591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :friends of smith thing < 1310941106 622553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that church thing < 1310941106 821571 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Now I'm doing CS and pure math at UVM. Much happier :) < 1310941154 219038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I can believe that < 1310941165 928733 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that any two points lie on a unique common line is one of the famous ancient greek axioms of geometry. or was that postulate. < 1310941181 596490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in electronics, multimetres cost about ten times as much if they've actually been measured to make sure they measure correctly < 1310941187 407119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's the same both way s round < 1310941189 157358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ways < 1310941189 435921 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My mother thought (until I corrected her) that "computer science" was what gave me insight in to how to fix her computer problems < 1310941195 596511 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*into < 1310941207 652135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I would like to say that "computing theorist" would solve this problem, but it probably wouldn't :P < 1310941210 287829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has "comput" in it < 1310941218 229850 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly < 1310941220 323994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: my mother came to me in a panic today, because she'd tried to turn a computer off and put it into standby instead, and in the meantime removed a USB stick containing a document she was editing < 1310941243 479401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never cease to be amazed at how much distress computers can cause unsavvy people < 1310941258 665560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we could sue major software manufacturers for the grief? :P < 1310941263 454299 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never cease to be amazed how much distress they cause the savviest people < 1310941270 473420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was then terrified at the save-as dialog < 1310941275 238823 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people in the middle are pretty safe < 1310941279 442453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we told her that was probably the best option < 1310941279 999150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: indeed < 1310941298 29784 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklofok: I'm having trouble parsing your sentence" <<< you, as well, have taken many business type of thing classes. < 1310941300 768995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: indeed < 1310941304 454438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: not many < 1310941308 336049 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Your mother is the most adorably strange woman I've ever heard of < 1310941313 253087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two a year for four years, and that was far too many < 1310941323 137011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: sounds like a normal non-savvy person to me < 1310941323 415326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: not really, most computer users are much worse < 1310941332 257447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can cause complete havoc by rearranging icons on most people's desktops < 1310941336 278265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows power users, as insane as some of the things they do are, do seem to be rather happy with computers < 1310941339 543352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where by most, I just mean >50%, not ~99%) < 1310941340 431651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because they're sure of everything < 1310941346 68264 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1310941364 437840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was such a relief to me when I moved to Linux and no longer had to understand Windows < 1310941368 355307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1310941375 219507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a moving target, even though I understood it once I no longer do < 1310941375 498814 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just make sure I can do everything I need to do daily on the big three platforms, and that I know some neat tricks for certain things on each one < 1310941382 164100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that computers cause me a lot of grief :/ < 1310941383 866776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used to write Win16 software for fun) < 1310941389 628968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I wonder if it's worth it < 1310941394 439672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but it's what I'm good at < 1310941421 590395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how long did it take you to work out what File | Save As did? < 1310941429 314396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I didn't work it out immediately, although it was quite fast < 1310941432 306486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way we can use our computer-related skills without actual computers? < 1310941444 899967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't have any recollection of doing so; I started using Windows when I was three years old < 1310941449 162720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: programming skill works offline < 1310941450 553085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow < 1310941457 297393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have no idea how I learned to type, either < 1310941469 542068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh, I was taught to type formally < 1310941472 776768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a suspicious feeling that it may be almost as ingrained as my knowledge of English < 1310941476 601135 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I think I should hang up my null pointers and start a farm in Nebraska. Then I remember that the horror of being constantly surrounded by sunlight and shit is what got me into computer science in the first place and, well... < 1310941479 686257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ignored all that and taught myself how to do it without jamming fingers on the home row < 1310941485 740350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still really slow at using most GUIs though :/ < 1310941494 915398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really, but quite < 1310941498 679801 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im elliott < 1310941509 777733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a lot of videos where people move the mouse at record speed clicking menus and the like without even pausing < 1310941515 457766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never do that < 1310941526 196649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on a laptop, no. < 1310941527 586146 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyboard shortcuts for lyfe, yo < 1310941530 625371 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guis make me sad < 1310941532 838717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I used to be able to do that, with an actual physical mouse < 1310941603 379188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I must've learned about "save as" in text mode guis, e.g. quickbasic < 1310941610 267417 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first computer was an Apple, of some sort. Back when things were still really NeXTSteppy < 1310941616 290111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was before learning about english, of course < 1310941620 671688 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a time that was < 1310941656 180741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: at least English isn't your native language < 1310941657 999909 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, maybe even before that < 1310941671 199132 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-143.vpn.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone else read "with an actual physical mouse" as "an actual live mouse" < 1310941674 232027 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was black and white, I'll just say that < 1310941680 937794 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: For a second, yes, I did < 1310941687 541459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be really good at using MouseKeys < 1310941694 27796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this laptop now has a touchpad, so I use that instead < 1310941707 322953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the previous one did in theory but it didn't work; at least, it worked for about ten seconds once, but it mostly didn't work) < 1310941738 900170 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being "good with MouseKeys" sounds like a contradiction in terms < 1310941747 417134 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never much saw the use, unless my mouse broke < 1310941750 490326 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1310941775 283425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: sometimes you badly need a mouse, though < 1310941786 51619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I actually completed one level of Adanaxis (the one after the tutorial) with the touchpad < 1310941791 245557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wow, was that painful < 1310941807 559352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a stunt-run I'd recommend < 1310941812 29042 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : in electronics, multimetres cost about ten times as much if they've actually been measured to make sure they measure correctly <-- does that mean it's cheaper to buy 9 and measure them yourself? < 1310941820 197020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: probably 1 and measure it yourself < 1310941827 907176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the measuring equipment is pretty expensive < 1310941845 498417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could buy three and take the majority opinion < 1310942255 755172 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and the moment i finish reading scrollback, everyone has stopped talking < 1310942263 97832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1310942274 814380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been talking, but in #nethack because I'm in a nethack tournament < 1310942301 173777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1310942307 460132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just logread scrollback < 1310942310 497629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll logread your logreading < 1310942312 334711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can talk forever < 1310942319 466871 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1310942326 728985 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like some kind of correspondence IRC < 1310942353 697927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : String[] ConfigArray = new String[21]; < 1310942362 542187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get over how bad this plugin's configuration system is < 1310942413 23754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1310942426 131614 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1310942493 563700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it gets better < 1310942496 828156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ConfigArray[0] = simplesaveproperties.getProperty("save.use"); < 1310942497 105890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ConfigArray[1] = simplesaveproperties.getProperty("save.interval"); < 1310942497 304065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ConfigArray[2] = simplesaveproperties < 1310942497 304236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : .getProperty("save.message.starting"); < 1310942497 304340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1310942497 502093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ConfigArray[14] = ""; < 1310942499 615771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ConfigArray[15] = ""; < 1310942501 446164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1310942509 415747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's faster than a hashtable lookup! < 1310942514 359112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is getProperty using reflection, there? < 1310942519 400840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that basically is a hash table < 1310942521 88299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's just reading from a .properties file < 1310942522 452528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a very specific hash function < 1310942527 312958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was a joke < 1310942540 356392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro of bukkit plugins being so easy to write: I can look at most plugins and think "yup, I could write that in a day or two" < 1310942551 552654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :con of bukkit plugins being so easy to write: people like this can write plugins < 1310942560 977848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i have to try and make their plugins work < 1310942569 304030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or just write it yourself in a day or two? < 1310942594 253652 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is bukkit plugins? < 1310942648 812350 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugins for bukkit? < 1310942672 420721 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is bukkit? < 1310942690 296741 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecrafty things? < 1310942774 887061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: or just write it yourself in a day or two? < 1310942779 70073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that delays the srver launch :) < 1310942779 971203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :server < 1310942789 652906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if the existing plugins take more than a day or two to figure out < 1310942812 550537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Bukkit is an API for writing portable plugins to change the game mechanics or add various server features to any supporting Minecraft multiplayer server < 1310942818 817320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true < 1310942833 556631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's best to try first, because usually it'll take much less < 1310942852 178287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by the time I realise rewriting would have been quicker, making the existing plugin work would probably add less time to the total than rewriting it from scratch < 1310942853 251131 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :try rewriting first? or using the existing one first? < 1310942863 16732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :-P < 1310942863 255076 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what kind of game mechanics and server features do you change? < 1310942946 141883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, there are plenty of things that adjust the damage various monster attacks, fall damage, etc. do; there are plugins to protect blocks in certain areas from being created and destroyed by various users, and to stop people opening chests owned by others; there are plugins that add whole new game mechanics and blocks to the game; there are plugins that add portals that go to different alternate worlds; there are plugins to allow the serv < 1310942946 339770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er admin to create and edit blocks on a mass scale with commands... things that add various features to the chat system, etc. etc. etc. < 1310942952 992500 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAMPING MINIGAME < 1310942976 572554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this particular plugin just adjusts the interval that the server saves the world in, and also periodically saves to a backup folder whenever anyone is online < 1310942977 115610 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1310943010 964378 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people can you reasonably have on a server at one time? < 1310943039 355352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Depends on how much money you have. < 1310943065 96573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: The reddit servers have... god, how much is it, Phantom_Hoover? < 1310943067 652498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hundred? < 1310943082 223799 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for a reasonable hobbyist operation, probably no more than 10 < 1310943101 209742 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably fewer than that, anyway < 1310943103 236799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: Eh, if you go with one of the "Minecraft server hosts", you could easily do twenty < 1310943105 321959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or thirty < 1310943107 936913 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1310943135 931651 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I'd just like to see a huge one, with enough people to reduce the landscape to bedrock within a few days < 1310943140 558716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just doing it on my twenty-dollar-a-month one gig of RAM VPS, so something like seven would be the maximum before I'd see serious strain, I suspect, although that's with rather worst-case conditions (nobody sharing loaded chunks, etc.) < 1310943177 305134 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or *a* day, given the obsessive quality of Minecraft < 1310943178 936878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: #esoteric-minecraft if you're interested; we've had a server before, but it hasn't been updated in a rather long time so I've got impatient and am starting my own. < 1310943226 556388 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be neat. I haven't played it online, before < 1310945144 986610 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM trampolines seem to be more useful than GNU trampolines. < 1310945337 273065 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think they seem? should be easy to verify what they actually seem like :P < 1310945375 132680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they seem < 1310946968 586205 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1310946969 706017 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death