< 1317081757 735281 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317082288 275116 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1317082391 319878 :CakeProphet!~adam@c-24-126-235-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317082391 376428 :CakeProphet!~adam@c-24-126-235-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1317082391 376578 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1317083664 68007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I just read http://esolangs.org/wiki/German < 1317083683 514067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even, technically, a language? it just looks like a really inefficient binary encoding format < 1317083717 815692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out if it's even worse than a BF equivalent or not < 1317083901 385073 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4137c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317084095 649304 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote worse < 1317084184 333142 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortening (the hydrogenated vegetable oil product) both disturbs and confuses me. < 1317084373 422342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could at least have spelt Bier correctly *whistles innocently* < 1317084619 524130 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1317084979 462922 :augur!~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317085001 164300 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4137c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1317085003 990863 :augur!~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317085229 492077 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f868.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317085323 393455 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317085484 672931 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1317086530 117128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317086631 845312 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317087398 547375 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-84-99.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317087441 282142 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-19-168.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Bai~ < 1317088265 570706 :augur!~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317088412 701323 :augur!~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317088710 237140 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1317089064 490730 :augur!~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317089098 76080 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.50.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317089104 446562 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.50.55 QUIT :Changing host < 1317089104 464732 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1317089206 434770 :augur!~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317089324 549125 :augur!~augur@c-68-33-65-63.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317090746 814886 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317090775 181642 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a bad idea to resort to doing arithmatic by hand on an exam because you want to be a show-off and don't want to ask to borrow a calculator < 1317090954 955540 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran out of time, for the first time in a very long time < 1317091017 461671 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame the exam required nontrivial arithmetic. Irrelevancies. < 1317091111 640445 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at (my) university, they never allow calculators on math exams (though I think they allow it in e.g. physics, where the results might be more interesting than the working) < 1317091194 838377 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've generally been used to either "you may not use calculators" or "sure, I guess you can use calculators, but I doubt it'll help". < 1317091248 883899 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that likely that fast arithmetic is going to in any way aid you in demonstrating conceptual understanding, after all. < 1317091297 184326 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in high school we had to do some things with a calculator though, but only because the ability to use a calculator is part of the math curriculum < 1317091341 500304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :never figured out why, iirc they claimed I would need it in university < 1317091399 324773 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they wanted to teach you something useful, they'd teach you programming, and probably the usage of a CAS. < 1317091409 398293 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Calculators were allowed. I didn't have one. < 1317091412 950506 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAS? < 1317091417 589066 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer algebra system. < 1317091505 663600 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And didn't ask for one until _after_ I finished doing the problem that involved a rather annoying amount of arithmetic. < 1317091514 957503 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And noted how little time I had left < 1317091582 524790 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I'm being annoyed that a calculator was allowed and actually useful. < 1317091591 945931 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-84-99.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317091622 602257 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1317091649 39668 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: 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1317133688 424445 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1317133783 807214 :Effilry!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317133886 739684 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317133898 505350 :Effilry!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1317133898 523476 :Effilry!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1317133906 725042 :Effilry!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly NICK :FireFly < 1317134474 849646 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1317134502 20382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin! < 1317134545 970045 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :) < 1317134955 435588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are you actually any kind of god. < 1317135179 388220 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1317136263 605749 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1317136508 843443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : <-- why the fuck did they go for xml for a config file that basically only contains lines like that. And why did they put it in an attribute. The " thingy everywhere is hideous. < 1317136517 653299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from /etc/ImageMagick/delegates.xml) < 1317137529 521345 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317137864 302821 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1317138201 544215 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPDATE [of PBF] < 1317138219 315696 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1317139147 886627 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317139245 433423 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5 < 1317139696 88307 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317139728 487039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, wait whaaaaaaaaa < 1317140701 364383 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317140729 678103 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1317140751 617086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Numberwang! < 1317140882 385552 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang 4 < 1317140884 852378 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang! < 1317140898 275080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang 8 < 1317140899 228095 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang! < 1317140903 498077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang 2345 < 1317140904 342804 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang! < 1317140933 237006 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang Fifty twelve < 1317140933 730166 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, but Brazil isn't a vegetable! < 1317140950 249656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show numberwang < 1317140950 938720 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl print (grep (/\d/, <>) ? q(That's numberwang!) : q(I'm sorry, but Brazil isn't a vegetable!)) < 1317140973 159548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!numberwang numberwang < 1317140974 131976 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, but Brazil isn't a vegetable! < 1317141154 831505 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who doesn't get the preview tool has made an esolang < 1317141264 164774 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a bad esolang either < 1317141282 5909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'LL BE THE JUDGE OF THAT < 1317141296 862883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait dammit RC doesn't work. < 1317141422 76457 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a language with geometric output < 1317141659 826576 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonably interesting < 1317141689 873796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1317141729 140697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: PBF being? < 1317141754 928377 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Geom < 1317141785 735236 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1317142223 402339 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1317142526 234015 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.243.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317142545 795519 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.243.254 QUIT :Changing host < 1317142545 852890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1317142623 641189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1317142626 356750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1317142633 865305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h...i < 1317142640 589081 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codepedia.com/1/CppExpression < 1317142641 956334 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1317142660 905336 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An expression is a statement without a semicolon" < 1317142673 307406 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad description of what an expression is or worst? < 1317142674 417265 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss. < 1317142675 363830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317142708 376165 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1317142732 298863 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codepedia.com/1/CppStatement < 1317142737 960782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: depends on the language < 1317142744 47974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ICA, statements are a special case of expressions < 1317142747 70247 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A statement is an expression with a semicolon [1]. Multiple statements, surrounded by acccolades ('{' and '}') form a compound statement " < 1317142752 466849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/CUTLASS < 1317142754 560785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1317142754 865374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suspect in most languages it's the other way round) < 1317142756 784359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????? < 1317142760 915658 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317142761 211056 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression are statements or statements are expressions? help < 1317142771 593129 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You keep removing the [1]s; it's not just any thing, it's a thing with a citation. < 1317142778 981416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks copied from somewhere < 1317142782 443055 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least from the first one. < 1317142783 877805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope < 1317142788 976943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cur) (last) 10:55, 30 September 2008 147.89.224.69 (Talk) (Fairly major rewrite from someone involved in the Cutlass Kit 9 project! I hope this is useful.) < 1317142799 968172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect 147.89.224.75 is the same editor < 1317142804 806059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's very close < 1317142808 775471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who the hell knows what CUTLASS is < 1317142816 79355 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: even if it's cited it's still a horrible definition. < 1317142819 584929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the page has been around for four years... < 1317142824 249179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, no results on a quick copyvio search < 1317142834 306230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page really needs bancstarisation, I just don't know what that is < 1317142849 999996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs moving to another wiki :P < 1317142866 658778 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Also not just any citation, but a citation to a Dutch book. < 1317142885 304711 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :plant I/O and control loops. botany is good yes. < 1317142899 520245 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which meaaaans.... < 1317142968 250199 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Cutlass language contains an extensive library of functions specially tailored for process control applications. These include mode and history-dependent functions such as integrators, filters, PID controllers, as well as a range of data-reduction routines and steam tables. < 1317142973 692168 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :steampunk language < 1317142974 977235 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317142995 224143 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1317143070 973387 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317143072 45876 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a steampunk language would be done entirely with punch cards, and would player pianos. < 1317143076 102255 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+involve < 1317143089 45956 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also zeppelins. < 1317143124 729007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds great < 1317143137 420816 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1317143159 402242 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm player pianos < 1317143171 286080 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :tephorPekaC < 1317143178 56322 :tephorPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :tehporPekaC < 1317143180 792151 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1317143195 917478 :tehporPekaC!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :CakeProhpet < 1317143200 485754 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Perry Bible Fellowship < 1317143217 945416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, is it ping random people with random phrases day? < 1317143225 82024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: matrix of solidity < 1317143232 692162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: walrus < 1317143236 146568 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1317143238 540703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, Xubuntu uses xscreensaver by default < 1317143243 833065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retro < 1317143246 785199 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo|web: PBF being? < 1317143247 64852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that awesome or awful? < 1317143250 56304 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ordered multiset of dumbledore dies < 1317143252 197631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's retro < 1317143264 52245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't an ordered multiset just... a list? < 1317143266 418653 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317143271 30256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, equivalent to one < 1317143282 122411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without the assumptions on internal implementation? < 1317143291 194931 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :list of dumbledore dies < 1317143293 860058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "list" doesn't assume those either < 1317143299 741188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, who here would say that "list" to them implies "accessing the first element is faster than accessing the last element" < 1317143307 639243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I have exactly two Xfce annoyances < 1317143309 958082 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lists aren't technical enough to be maths < 1317143312 44183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've known people who would say it does, and who would say it isn't < 1317143312 75136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is major, one is not so major < 1317143314 249768 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to get going now
< 1317143315 678022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not me < 1317143315 828143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a reasonable length < 1317143316 707635 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1317143323 423580 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye, Sgeo|web < 1317143323 994520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Python calls dynamic-arraylists lists < 1317143327 291056 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use xlock. < 1317143334 262541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as do many other languages < 1317143334 348718 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or xlockmore, I guess. < 1317143339 817574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do they? < 1317143343 879321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give examples < 1317143345 776649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a screensaver that's also a pager? < 1317143352 362949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ArrayList in Java, at least < 1317143358 992499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's an arraylist :P < 1317143359 861778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a List, which is hte general term < 1317143360 770918 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a formalism for lists? < 1317143366 452034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1317143375 476800 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sadly, no. It's an "xlock" variant that has "more" screen-hacks in it. < 1317143391 509711 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but in STL list is a doubly linked list. < 1317143393 978847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the closest/most natural thing Haskell has to a list has O(log(min(i,n-i))) indexing < 1317143395 203357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProhpet: data List = Empty | Cons List List < 1317143399 379972 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's certainly not standard. < 1317143408 391431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where n is the length of the list < 1317143446 389991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"list" to me has a mild implication of "implemented in a linked list style behind the scenes" < 1317143448 68847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a certain one < 1317143490 820614 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes me too. < 1317143495 600961 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing I would take for granted. < 1317143522 900789 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also I think the formalism for a "list" would be sequences. < 1317143524 600468 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps? < 1317143529 669440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1317143561 757730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting that the operations of "head" and "tail" are reasonably implementable with most provided sorts of lists < 1317143571 286851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they aren't linked lists behind the scenes < 1317143580 124924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can point to the second element of an array in C < 1317143587 294238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Only immutable ones. < 1317143591 870843 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail isn't quite so reasonable in mutable cases.. < 1317143593 411842 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317143596 681300 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what elliott said. < 1317143601 693592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, you can't implement cons easily for C arrays. < 1317143603 181563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to work out what "tail" means in the mutable case < 1317143605 722143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not really list-tail. < 1317143615 561230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having worked on Overload, I'm not sure I want to < 1317143647 264165 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the sane way to do tail would be to make a copy. < 1317143672 326247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload didn't! < 1317143687 83021 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload doesn't sound like the name of a sane language. < 1317143715 557879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't < 1317143721 131965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, isn't, I assume it still exists < 1317143726 596193 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could certainly do pointer shenanigans and return the original uncopied tail. < 1317143727 36391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never finished it as the insanity got too much for me < 1317143736 189614 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of feather < 1317143738 752731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like Feather, it was a perfectly ordinary sort of insanity < 1317143751 756832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be fixed with persistence, but the resulting language would be insufficiently awesome < 1317143772 967425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oh, how pointer-shenaningans Overload was < 1317143788 460041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so anyway, I recommend Debian+Xfce or Xubuntu as a migration path for Ubuntu users < 1317143794 245068 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in STL C++, tail on most data structures would require a copy I believe. < 1317143799 358767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so what are the two issues with xfce? < 1317143804 398633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're very unlikely to fuck up Xfce, and it can be made to work basically exactly like gnome two < 1317143815 577882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it those aren't the two issues? < 1317143818 930663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317143824 612871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: One is with the panel, this is the less important one; the window list in the taskbar can't be rearranged < 1317143845 477838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: so what are the two issues with xfce? they're very unlikely to fuck up Xfce, and it can be made to work basically exactly like gnome two < 1317143845 751256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The more important one is that scrolling a background window focuses and raises it with default xfwm settings and I can't figure out how to fix it -- but you can just use another wm with xfce < 1317143849 251097 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :688) elliott: so what are the two issues with xfce? they're very unlikely to fuck up Xfce, and it can be made to work basically exactly like gnome two < 1317143850 75523 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 1) hack xfce 2) profit < 1317143864 532079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed, even Metacity would work fine < 1317143868 939694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following NEW packages will be installed: < 1317143869 74674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : libgnome2-common libmetacity-private0 metacity metacity-common < 1317143873 149804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, how often do you scroll background windows? I do, but only occasionally < 1317143874 574692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an unreasonable set of dependencies < 1317143877 448978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: often < 1317143880 790566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's reasonable < 1317143887 109520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would I be shot for using xfce with Compiz? < 1317143890 499570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: e.g., I have IRC on top but am reading a background web page < 1317143903 324959 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is metacity pronoucned "meta city" or "meTAcity" (with the stress on ta) < 1317143903 988462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and, well, I wouldn't like you; both xfwm and metacity can do compositing and shadows < 1317143905 717003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I prefer to alt-tab then < 1317143914 242787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfwm can even do opacity < 1317143917 85507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and opacity adjustment < 1317143922 948084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about contrast change? < 1317143926 927080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or zoom? < 1317143927 24615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alt-scroll on the title bar) < 1317143932 913782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, let me check :P < 1317143951 373474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoom is particularly useful for checking that subpixel algos are working properly < 1317143977 158978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't think I've used color-inverse for ages since I discovered contrast change < 1317143981 405274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like a dark screen at night < 1317143992 859163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the only results I can find about zoom+xfwm are pages telling you how to overcomplicatedly set up compiz with xfce < 1317144000 269765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd say just use compiz :P < 1317144016 984077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I had Epiphany force-override colors used by webpages, but webpages don't seem to really like that behaviour nowadays < 1317144022 166600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'll work fine, although the default Xubuntu theme is nice and depends on a xfwm theme to be nic < 1317144022 528187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1317144041 552105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, looks like someone ported it to compiz :P < 1317144046 139678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm used to bad themes, at least < 1317144046 648950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1317144051 550175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that I'm often not on my own computer < 1317144073 976634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the one I'm using at the moment is pretty nice (it's the New Wave theme that was proposed for Ubuntu but never accepted) < 1317144083 537175 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :An infinite binary sequence can represent a formal language (a set of strings) by setting the n th bit of the sequence to 1 if and only if the n th string (in shortlex order) is in the language. Therefore, the study of complexity classes, which are sets of languages, may be regarded as studying sets of infinite sequences. < 1317144097 108358 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat < 1317144107 502507 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1317144110 758405 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is way over my head. < 1317144134 510183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand it, but it doesn't seem particularly useful < 1317144159 763621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, because programs close to each other in shortlex order don't necessarily have anything to do with each other at all < 1317144192 759329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I actually really like Xubuntu's default theme: http://ompldr.org/vYWswMA, http://ompldr.org/vYWp6eg < 1317144204 374911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just me, though < 1317144215 273393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's passable < 1317144218 492029 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh wait I understand I think. but not what it has to do with complexity classes. < 1317144223 505686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like the Mac brushed-metal theme but simpler < 1317144238 596998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not brushed-metal < 1317144251 882828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like the smooth style seen Leopard onwards < 1317144258 811919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the min/max/close buttons look misaligned < 1317144263 989980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brushed metal is this abomination: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TigerCalc.png < 1317144266 818729 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome as opposed to Chromium? < 1317144283 79195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch, you're right < 1317144289 304110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... minimise looks slightly higher than it should be, but it hasn't bothered me yet < 1317144292 141258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the close button is centred half a pixel higher than it should be < 1317144294 474254 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there operations you could perform on these binary sequences that would be useful in studying complexity classes? < 1317144295 182309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it's pixel-correct < 1317144297 728036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just zoomed in to check < 1317144298 932322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is it? < 1317144301 732355 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe the adjacency of the sequence terms is irrelevant. < 1317144304 705265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1317144314 214251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: using compiz would solve that :P < 1317144320 586825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the compiz version is based on another theme < 1317144323 379174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than being a straight port < 1317144331 108182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1317144332 139347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xfce-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/143376-3.png < 1317144333 872648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because they were trying to snap shapes to pixels < 1317144337 997327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /looks/ right to me < 1317144362 461627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I can't tell on that one even zoomed in, because it's pretty heavily antialiased < 1317144366 911527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I suppose makes it more likely to be lined up right < 1317144374 250177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the same? < 1317144375 748421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as my screenshot < 1317144380 424010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look more antialiased to me < 1317144393 932542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the buttons seem identical here < 1317144400 726073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm stupid, I zoomed in on a zoomed-out version < 1317144412 135078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can turn off zoom antialiasing with compiz < 1317144412 315873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the downscaler algo that misaligned it < 1317144412 787148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1317144415 73667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by trying to round to pixels < 1317144428 132999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I meant the original was antialiased, not the zoom < 1317144453 346206 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSPACE=NPSPACE. really? < 1317144467 70539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it wouldn't be a problem if your zoomer used nearest neighbour < 1317144480 128161 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay I see how that could be. < 1317144485 758305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProhpet: pretty obviously, just run all the possibilities one after the other < 1317144503 213342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: blame Firefox, I guess < 1317144512 122742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, but you said it was zoomed out in Firefox < 1317144515 364046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be original size < 1317144516 666265 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Three Rings: This article is about the fictional artifacts. For the video game developer, see Three Rings Design. For the Three Rings on the Ring of Light, see Xbox 360 technical problems. For the T-Pain album, see Thr33 Ringz." < 1317144519 450274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1317144519 864270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317144522 529376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dezoomed in Fx < 1317144523 729299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1317144525 118246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was the downscaled thumbnail in Firefox < 1317144528 872565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rifgt < 1317144529 462780 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Three Rings on the Ring of Light, see Xbox 360 technical problems". < 1317144529 505122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to click to expand < 1317144531 473190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1317144539 495751 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some sort of style mismatch there. < 1317144540 287279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I used Compiz to zoom in on that < 1317144550 634898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how small is your Fx window? that image is tiny < 1317144553 13368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the Ring of Light is the official name < 1317144566 941830 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That is a nice name. < 1317144569 26371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximised on 1366x768, with some toolbars/taskbars in the way < 1317144576 909912 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but PTIME != NPTIME. or, well, we don't know still. < 1317144585 375857 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably not. < 1317144599 718503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the PSPACE/NPSPACE argument obviously doesn't apply to P=?NP < 1317144612 840246 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right. it's an unrelated though < 1317144613 557562 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1317144618 731598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, IMPORTANT NOTATIONAL QUESTION that came up today: how do you write the operation of "add the same integer to every element of a list"? < 1317144627 888611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: n+list < 1317144638 744337 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best way. < 1317144639 749304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that, but was accused of that being disjoint union < 1317144647 9102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: map (n+) list < 1317144648 127440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was a set, not a list < 1317144669 569513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using n .+ list as a placeholder (it's what MATLAB calls the operation, and it's the only widely-used language I've ever seen with it built in) < 1317144680 640673 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+list is how APL works right? < 1317144798 154564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1317144805 84215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1317144807 914272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT FUCKING KEY DO I KEEP PRESSING < 1317144813 203628 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1317144817 663306 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was that language you were talking about that's awesome and uses arrays or something? < 1317144820 320476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, I kept pressing the "bad" key. < 1317144822 959043 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :J? < 1317144831 846727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J is array-based, yes. < 1317144851 123086 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs look like Perl mixed with brainfuck. < 1317144855 511946 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of syhntax < 1317144856 379055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they don't < 1317144857 11127 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual J# < 1317144860 377177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some sort of middle-click where it shouldn't be (the usual reason for me to accidentally part a channel)? < 1317144863 50972 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProhpet: not at all < 1317144870 642627 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just recall them being rather noisy < 1317144873 551751 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is all I'm saying by that < 1317144875 353114 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You add a (same) scalar to each element of a list in MATLAB with just plain old regular "+". There is no ".+" operator. < 1317144876 432643 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take it personal. :P < 1317144882 207693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm < 1317144891 694283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used really old MATLAB, and GAUSS before that < 1317144893 644910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they changed it < 1317144894 243338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, key < 1317144902 413844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: control-W? seems a little hard to typo < 1317144908 708747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esc? seems a weird keybinding for a client to use < 1317144909 292307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: j# is something entirely diffferent < 1317144925 88556 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is a ".*" and "./" to differentiate elementwise multiplication/division from matrix product/right-division. < 1317144927 238521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and F# is an OCaml clone linked up to the .NET standard library < 1317144928 923483 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it k? it was some letter. < 1317144934 908383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps that's what I was thinking of < 1317144936 942497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But you can multiply a list by a scalar with plain "*" anyway. < 1317144948 476548 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317144952 48343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, matrix addition is just + anyway < 1317144965 123807 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I was going to say < 1317144971 864016 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just si < 1317144976 799488 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just switch to an xmonad setup when I get the desktop < 1317144994 54758 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :J looks more verbose than the language I'm thinking of. < 1317144999 683583 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no that's it. < 1317145013 379127 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't seen many examples of the code. < 1317145054 975594 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317145070 745560 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it J or K that you like a lot? < 1317145076 652232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317145079 543956 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdhguijeuhsf < 1317145086 480185 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont worry elliott_s here < 1317145099 877801 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ^ < 1317145102 906122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a lifes aver" < 1317145144 369255 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317145148 824094 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OIFJDLKHGHGLKSDFG < 1317145150 406405 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott__ < 1317145150 929075 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the underscores are multiplying < 1317145163 477412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProhpet: no, 1 * 1 is 1 < 1317145165 651557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're adding < 1317145177 443436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah that name is annoying, I keep thinking my tab-complete typoed < 1317145187 643183 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best name < 1317145188 967840 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCREASING BY A LINEAR FUNCTION < 1317145189 537311 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1317145199 968028 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO. PICKY. < 1317145239 548577 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: was it J or K that you like? < 1317145245 412088 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I answered that. < 1317145258 830969 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it didn't survive < 1317145281 150601 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: not on my buffer. < 1317145294 455872 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.243.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1317145298 473372 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1317145308 139952 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL NEVER KNOW < 1317145311 157535 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN ILIVE? < 1317145320 520918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by asking elliott__ < 1317145325 510312 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, you can make tig's log nicer. < 1317145333 436462 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Try Ctrl+Up. < 1317145340 70181 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: each underscored elliot is a fabrication of the previous < 1317145348 556195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot_ < 1317145361 440398 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mere simulacrum. < 1317145368 397307 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottt_ < 1317145404 96967 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using underscores i should append ys < 1317145412 34014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317145412 184503 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqyyyyyyyyyyyyyy (a bad day for connections) < 1317145431 471857 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use various misspellings and backwardsizations of my name. < 1317145445 772190 :CakeProhpet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :CakeProphet < 1317145510 22554 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: but yeah you never answered my question visibly. I double checked my buffer. < 1317145512 425348 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1317145525 463455 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then J < 1317145530 421817 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1317145546 204693 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though K is nice too. < 1317145547 602809 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :K looks pretty similar however. I wonder if it's better or worse. < 1317145549 10797 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1317145557 76406 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just different < 1317145561 358788 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it just me or has the method of reporting crashes got more complicated in Ubuntu? < 1317145572 742517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, as I haven't had one for a while < 1317145575 984413 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :K isn't functional like J kind of is right? < 1317145576 245360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the benefits of LTS, I guess < 1317145587 359667 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't understand either very well, other than they work like APL.
< 1317145594 775689 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: in which way do you think J is functional, in which way do you think K does not have this property < 1317145600 430578 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, program crashes < 1317145603 983353 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: nothing very concrete. < 1317145604 704232 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pidgin is crashing incessantly < 1317145616 710253 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: can't answer then s.r.y. < 1317145619 409740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, IIRC KDE and Gnome each had their own bugreporter < 1317145620 116225 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: I am probing around and getting answers. < 1317145628 2549 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversationally. < 1317145632 25335 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: too bad Pidgin is part of neither < 1317145639 611614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that's what I just realised < 1317145644 832328 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: say bad things, get corrected, no remorse < 1317145669 975558 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's a common way people converse... < 1317145676 655680 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to learn about things. < 1317145684 485190 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad people < 1317145688 103098 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay fine. < 1317145728 364613 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1317145792 848211 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm < 1317145796 809154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm maybe you know the answer to this question: how does that lever on the back of a car mirror that reduces the blinding effect from car lights behind actually work < 1317145800 577336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically I mean < 1317145803 716406 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so they are both functional just in different ways. < 1317145818 75137 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different ways? < 1317145819 485281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm afraid I don't know what you're referring to < 1317145821 730152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems to tilt the mirror but somehow still show the same area, but with less light? < 1317145827 158238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have a driving license? < 1317145827 347605 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: differently influenced. < 1317145831 474401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't < 1317145835 420729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah okay < 1317145840 645087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who else could know < 1317145840 970852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving me one would probably be criminal negligence < 1317145841 667426 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ??? < 1317145852 304976 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I can't answer question marks. < 1317145861 89855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't concentrate really heavily for long periods of time at a time < 1317145864 305634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thing is: you know that cars have three mirrors? One on each side and one in the middle inside? < 1317145869 470192 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: would you prefer a what < 1317145869 782181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can stay focused, but that's not the same as concentrating < 1317145872 799632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I know what a wing mirror is < 1317145875 693561 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no that's the same thing < 1317145880 267181 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what???? < 1317145881 132051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know what the lever you're referring to is < 1317145883 378828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm interested in the mirror inside, not the ones on the side < 1317145886 516648 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "hi please repeat yourself in a more verbose way" < 1317145892 305806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lever is on the internal mirror < 1317145895 590567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I don't think I've seen that adjusted while driving < 1317145900 871058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just to change the angle, IIRC < 1317145902 921925 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi please repeat yourself in a way that makes sense < 1317145911 986473 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1317145916 118533 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah so they are both functional just in different ways. < 1317145916 956663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the obvious explanation is that it tilts the mirror so that the car lights are no longer reflecting into your eyes, but miss your eyes < 1317145919 573815 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither J nor K is pure. < 1317145924 404428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same area is still mostly visible, just on a different part of the mirror < 1317145930 998104 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither J nor K have full first-class function support, either. < 1317145942 519132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well if it is dark it has a kind of lever on it that you flip and suddenly the light from behind is reduced, useful when driving in the dark when you get strong headlights from behind < 1317145951 5858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that the manner it works in is pure magic to me < 1317145956 450196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably just changes it between two possible settings < 1317145963 66256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that one of them won't reflect into your eyes < 1317145977 311884 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: J is influenced by FP/FL, K is influenced by Scheme. Differently. Influenced. < 1317145993 480537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it seems to show the same area behind kind of. As in the position of the headlights doesn't seem to shift, just be reduced < 1317145999 651308 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: I didn't say they were pure. < 1317146001 999387 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many things are pure. < 1317146015 205279 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and how does this make them different < 1317146020 445631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it does move the view *while* you move the lever. Kind of jumps up then down. < 1317146031 52202 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: but the lack of first-class functions definitely strays away from my definition of functional < 1317146034 427202 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: my question was how are they functional in different ways, not what were their influences < 1317146046 284736 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: your definition of functional: it kind of sucks < 1317146053 998968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh found it on wikipedia < 1317146055 685458 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I don't know. I don't actually know these languages I am reading about them and attempting to learn from you guys < 1317146063 865412 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the labs < 1317146084 507483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is some very cleaver stuff going on there: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Rear-view_mirror#Dimming < 1317146092 181541 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: your conversation skills suck. I'm going to go do something else now. < 1317146119 484281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ok < 1317146307 500075 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317146333 686910 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1317146362 669228 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, I've wondered about that too. < 1317146383 474211 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very clearver < 1317146385 776080 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cleaver < 1317146416 917764 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could eliminate this Template Haskell < 1317146428 26395 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: you cannot kill an idea. < 1317146430 846063 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately. < 1317146439 138123 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1317146462 767231 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I assumed you were using the "kill" definition of eliminate. < 1317146471 665914 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1317146480 662354 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1071201/why-does-list-comprehension-using-a-zip-object-results-in-an-empty-list < 1317146487 377873 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ python < 1317146504 424008 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :funniest language. < 1317146586 928195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so zip basically returns a lazy list except that you can only read it once < 1317146594 137737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317146594 429827 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think instead of just turning all of the builtin's into generators they should have just moved most of itertools into __builtin__ < 1317146615 849341 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so izip = generator zip < 1317146624 938455 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zip still does what it does in Python 2.x < 1317146635 741655 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1317146639 195110 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's just that for advances it < 1317146648 477859 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than, e.g. asking it for an iterator and then advancing it < 1317146653 590458 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's already an iterator (generator) < 1317146656 40566 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because :python: < 1317146658 880150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1317146678 728884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose "why would you ask an iterator for an iterator" is the implied question there < 1317146692 274948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Oh, I've wondered about that too. <-- yeah it is quite ingenious < 1317146721 423108 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because see SO question? :P < 1317146733 716491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: well, yes < 1317146741 39113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to understand how the design decision question happened < 1317146802 989298 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if making a copy of the iterator would work as well. < 1317146829 349858 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317146832 929589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess the design decision went something like "herp derp" < 1317146849 632812 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: good one < 1317146879 326556 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay you can't use copy() on iterators < 1317146879 502460 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone type two five five five six < 1317146881 392834 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no that doesn't work. < 1317146883 354293 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :2556 < 1317146889 714723 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong < 1317146893 562357 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :25556 < 1317146899 618233 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray < 1317146909 136547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting question < 1317146910 524367 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: my eyesight is getting pretty bad. < 1317146915 171613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I think python is one of the most herp of all the derp languages < 1317146926 565201 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is actually not incredibly terrible. < 1317146931 2969 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not great either. < 1317146931 55894 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So that coproc thing... < 1317146940 455087 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: turns out the answer was no < 1317146950 563491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317146961 375642 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to date the worst language I have used is C++ < 1317146973 748008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: how much esolang programming have you done? < 1317146977 41878 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: What about it?-) < 1317146985 156297 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not a great amount. but esolangs are exempt < 1317146985 202178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, C++ is pretty bad on the scale of "real" languages < 1317146997 172931 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ? < 1317146997 826223 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people don't write space shuttle code in brainfuck. < 1317146999 148874 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1317147005 481299 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you dereference an array in bash anyway < 1317147007 286761 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n)? < 1317147012 551019 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[n]. < 1317147025 873206 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ARRAY[0] and $ARRAY[1] and so on. IIRC. < 1317147029 5035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's .[] to deref arrays in OCaml < 1317147035 837147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, .() < 1317147039 9172 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is c.intercal.org.uk your site? < 1317147040 661841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.[] is to take characters strings < 1317147046 605398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: no, it's Claudio Calvelli's site < 1317147051 123839 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1317147055 619383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might seem a little weird given the circumstances < 1317147058 195567 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you tell him it is not working < 1317147060 77857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, it's INTERCAL < 1317147062 252489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: in what way? < 1317147063 134481 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1317147063 809829 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash -e < 1317147063 828081 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coproc 'nc -l 25556 | tee "$clientlog"' < 1317147063 958798 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc "$1" "$2" <&$COPROC[0] | < 1317147063 977654 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee "$serverlog" >&$COPROC[1] < 1317147067 83036 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does that look right to you? :p < 1317147069 388714 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess you might need ${ARRAY[0]}. < 1317147070 542265 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't load < 1317147082 247697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, indeed < 1317147089 852702 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apart from that? < 1317147092 258307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, intercal.org.uk seems down generally < 1317147101 408954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, the subdomains that should exist < 1317147104 892973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the parent domain shouldn't) < 1317147120 557439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give it some time to come back up before emailing him < 1317147136 96845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you trying to find there? < 1317147147 109603 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I wonder how you could get the benefits of phantom types without the syntactic overhead. < 1317147152 21209 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1317147157 879435 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you don't have to explicitly write the phantom parameter everywhere < 1317147173 790128 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"iw ish I could track an addiotioanl piece with my data ... but without specifying it...." < 1317147175 771624 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just be magic < 1317147215 838075 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: no just implicit. < 1317147223 398482 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't think of a good way to do that. < 1317147223 968037 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric := magic < 1317147253 557275 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Sounds like it should work. I was just thinking about making the most useless use of cat ever made, and doing "coproc STUPIDPIPE cat; nc -l 12345 <&${STUPIDPIPE[0]} | tee clientlog | nc server port | tee serverlog >&${STUPIDPIPE[1]}" -- the logic is arguably a little bit clearer there. < 1317147279 681728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most useless use of cat ever is probably along the lines of cat | startx < 1317147290 88431 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. < 1317147298 401789 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the use I was thinking of is impossible I just realized. I don't think you can turn zero division into a type error, except for a small minority of cases. < 1317147299 5307 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's nicer in that it quits if the listener does too. < 1317147299 498576 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name of the coproc was chosen to reflect the fact that it really should be able to just pop up pipes somehow. < 1317147320 610042 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But... hmm, will that coproc die when the script does? < 1317147360 884819 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnnmaybe. "Physically" speaking it should depend on whether the pipes get closed. < 1317147369 349619 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's sort of up to bash. < 1317147399 122641 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill $STUPIDPIPE_PID at the end to make sure. :p < 1317147424 640171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Pharmtom_Hoover < 1317147466 926689 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in fact sort of assuming you could do the whole thing with a single socat, but it doesn't seem to have raw data logging facilities. < 1317147480 410727 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or fanning stuff to multiple destinations. < 1317147497 687030 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools/log-packets: line 7: PIPE: command not found < 1317147497 850763 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools/log-packets: line 8: ${COPROC[0]}: Bad file descriptor < 1317147497 868672 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools/log-packets: line 9: ${COPROC[1]}: Bad file descriptor < 1317147499 666809 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor stuff for a self-styled "netcat++". < 1317147507 347854 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I... < 1317147512 125575 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coproc: coproc [NAME] command [redirections] < 1317147514 99797 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it lie? < 1317147519 528878 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh < 1317147521 828062 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the "cat". < 1317147532 122891 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything about _PID in coproc. < 1317147540 588680 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh: "NAME must not be supplied if command is a simple command." < 1317147545 138968 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could prevent zero division errors at compile-time for any integers that are known at compile time by having them carry type-level naturals and a sign phantom type. The types of the arithmetic operations would also perform computations on the type-level representation, or do nothing in the special case where value isn't known at compile-time. < 1317147550 949064 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "coproc PIPE cat" does ths ame. < 1317147550 967293 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, maybe you should just "coproc cat" and use the default name, then. < 1317147554 734200 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is a terrible idea. < 1317147555 156279 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: As opposed to... what? < 1317147562 643127 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A complicated command? < 1317147573 955868 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1317147576 464387 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Tane < 1317147577 297401 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coproc cat < 1317147577 315570 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc -l 25556 <&${COPROC[0]} | tee "$serverlog" | < 1317147577 315725 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc "$host" "$port" | tee "$clientlog" >&${COPROC[1]} < 1317147578 350945 :Tane!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Taneb < 1317147578 774133 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools/log-packets: line 8: ${COPROC[0]}: Bad file descriptor < 1317147578 940316 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools/log-packets: line 9: ${COPROC[1]}: Bad file descriptor < 1317147580 998760 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? < 1317147585 167699 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need to quote them? < 1317147614 785029 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't. Maybe try echo ${COPROC[0]}. < 1317147666 359611 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :63 < 1317147667 19256 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "coproc PIPE {cat;}" if you want to give it a name; then it's a "compound command", not a "simple command". < 1317147668 30206 :Taneb!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Taneb|Kindle < 1317147682 45275 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, "coproc PIPE { cat; }". < 1317147688 786116 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try it out. < 1317147695 910070 :Taneb|Kindle!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Taneb < 1317147698 525569 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :63 < 1317147698 683104 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools/log-packets: line 9: ${COPROC[1]}: Bad file descriptor < 1317147698 701128 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools/log-packets: line 8: ${COPROC[0]}: Bad file descriptor < 1317147702 198393 :Taneb!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Pharmtom_Hoover < 1317147706 138118 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely sounds like it needs quoting. < 1317147742 806395 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quote everything just to be safe... < 1317147761 26898 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a space will fuck everything up. < 1317147765 823569 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1317147779 802187 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It's an fd. < 1317147782 600133 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fds don't contain spaces. < 1317147795 164399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1317147802 999872 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Kindle < 1317147807 110662 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools/log-packets: line 7: "${COPROC[0]}": Bad file descriptor < 1317147807 277321 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools/log-packets: line 8: "${COPROC[1]}": Bad file descriptor < 1317147813 694804 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sounds like I need to use eval. < 1317147815 14235 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'unno, it seems to work in an interactive shell: < 1317147816 494720 :Taneb|Kindle!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1317147816 980127 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ coproc PIPE { cat; } < 1317147816 998529 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] 4427 < 1317147816 998722 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ echo ${PIPE[0]} ${PIPE[1]} < 1317147816 998835 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :63 60 < 1317147816 998944 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ echo yay >&${PIPE[1]} < 1317147818 490516 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ cat <&${PIPE[0]} < 1317147820 435450 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1317147835 72029 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BJQF < 1317147836 984835 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks OK to me. < 1317147849 331257 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft < 1317147860 376856 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1317147876 518903 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash has the best semantics. < 1317147888 252899 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or do you _need_ the compound thing to get it working at all? :-P < 1317147896 503504 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.245.28 NICK :Taneb < 1317147907 199082 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1317147910 630927 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :elliott < 1317147919 388552 :elliott!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is perhaps not a great idea. < 1317147928 360264 :elliott!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :CakeProphet < 1317147933 478894 :Taneb!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, NickServ is down? < 1317147939 889040 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ohhhh, right. < 1317147943 302234 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1317147945 912415 :Taneb!~elliott@95.149.245.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god. < 1317147947 228756 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You need to do a THING. < 1317147955 237534 :Taneb!~elliott@95.149.245.28 NICK :elliott < 1317147958 694757 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.245.28 QUIT :Changing host < 1317147958 712818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1317147961 337082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wat. < 1317147971 25825 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I saw this somewhere. The problem is that the coproc fds aren't inherited by the subshell that is spawned to handle the pipeline. < 1317147981 387789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... okay. < 1317148013 92251 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1317148025 610544 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1317148051 96349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me that was my ghosting. < 1317148056 706235 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what that was. < 1317148059 892251 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was < 1317148061 466290 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes no sense. < 1317148064 321076 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I was no longer you. < 1317148064 568867 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://p.zem.fi/fzuu < 1317148064 866160 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense < 1317148065 604844 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1317148068 544614 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You want something like that. < 1317148072 983901 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: nickserv is lagged to hell < 1317148076 424808 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1317148076 601091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can do those two execs as one. < 1317148083 190110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And isn't that line identical to "coproc cat"? < 1317148085 505436 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Sure. < 1317148089 453865 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I was just testing. :p < 1317148091 758006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Did you forget to identify and have nick protection on? < 1317148135 133503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it "works". It hangs btu I can't connect to localhost. < 1317148138 750785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I get my default MC port wrong? < 1317148145 16647 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :25566. < 1317148154 717217 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were *so* close. < 1317148166 366735 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm? I'm pretty sure I auto-ident < 1317148192 57493 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ident would have carreid over i think... < 1317148202 134265 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: it was most likely eliots ghjost < 1317148211 170249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Not on /nick. < 1317148213 142832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On connect, sure. < 1317148214 461280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh. < 1317148219 394161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because of that SERVER NOBODY KNOWS. < 1317148228 634886 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghjost server < 1317148231 67707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What a silly port it is.) < 1317148236 838300 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghjost port < 1317148242 122313 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I still keep ident if I go back to a nick I identified though. < 1317148243 792355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ha, it: still doesn't work. < 1317148253 529918 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, 25565. < 1317148258 774296 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I got it wrong too. < 1317148267 45918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie. You are making me sad. < 1317148277 922311 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was 25566 on that SERVER NOBODY KNOWS, I think. < 1317148285 657801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1317148290 920427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember some off-by-oneing. < 1317148308 29307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ha, it: still doesn't work. < 1317148310 666098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow I < 1317148313 950097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally said that lines ago < 1317148338 58960 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1317148340 38903 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines in the past < 1317148343 988641 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be the right bort though. I hope it isn't cat's block-buffering. It could be. < 1317148344 27297 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1317148361 967674 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case you'd need to put the other nc | tee inside the coproc like you wanted to, I suppose. < 1317148365 451212 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a line-based communication protocol, in a time-based universe. < 1317148371 22264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: GNU cat doesn't buffer. < 1317148392 608430 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. Then it might not be that. < 1317148426 902214 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your lines per second squared is decreasing right now. < 1317148433 532749 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will spike up when you reply. < 1317148433 709605 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1317148440 136697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1317148440 265300 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1317148445 531782 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1317148451 979653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1317148506 253347 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC physics. < 1317148520 46652 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or calculus I suppose. < 1317148527 761428 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc: oh no < 1317148592 880919 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC physics! < 1317148597 363520 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also dinner. < 1317148655 742096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC dinner < 1317148666 227379 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :string theorists, where is your sparticle now? < 1317148690 964086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spadness? This is sparticle < 1317148692 284513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spadness? This is sparticle. < 1317148699 66615 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahaha < 1317148701 494949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP sparticle - died as it lived, somewhat sparta < 1317148815 674384 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait until we encounter some undiscovered law of physics that mutates CERN scientists into extra-dimensional horrors from the deep beyondness. < 1317148830 299977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That already happened. < 1317148831 616742 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But CERN invented the world wide web < 1317148832 224553 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing with particle physics is dangerous stuff. < 1317148834 739391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result is called "CERN scientists". < 1317148907 139740 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think elliott is actually some kind of deep space cthuloid < 1317148921 2031 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317148928 49880 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :communicating with FTL black magic. < 1317148949 371331 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :over IRC, wikis, reddit and github. < 1317148975 9309 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :extending the grip of his icy cephalopodic embrace. < 1317148984 146620 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the mortal world. < 1317148992 662505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the best part of being a Squiddle. < 1317149065 147812 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be lonely in the endless void. < 1317149121 928642 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps cthuloids do not feeled the subdued throes of loneliness. < 1317149227 553962 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the creeping and measured atrophy of the soul. < 1317149325 496122 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they feel only the unslatable hunger of undoing. < 1317149367 415246 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317149451 542024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No we just watch human cartoons, it's pretty great. < 1317149488 494786 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I enjoy Adventure Time. < 1317149491 358721 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as new cartoons. < 1317149502 448946 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps this is an American thing though. < 1317149530 565729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I'm going to switch to compiz myself, to fix that issue < 1317149584 405583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So um any ideas? < 1317149674 217906 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 19 + 18 + 5 < 1317149675 179078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1317149739 882783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW DOUGLALJS ADAMS WAS RITE !!! < 1317149826 52501 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Douglas Adams was the best president. < 1317149853 546263 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const 42 "How old did you have to be to become a consul in the days of the Roman Republic?" < 1317149854 548494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1317149862 512786 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, except I meant to type 6, but my finger slipped. < 1317149944 458747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip const < 1317149944 950906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ b c -> c) < 1317149951 88926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\ b c -> c) < 1317149951 630272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :const id < 1317149960 825464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that makes sense < 1317149967 135478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse k and you get `ki < 1317149968 595914 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let answer = asTypeOf "42" < 1317149969 740917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1317149981 17032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asTypeOf < 1317149982 76836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> a -> a < 1317149991 144691 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :const with a different type. < 1317150002 631639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, seems to be a casting operator < 1317150022 327518 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah: use named fifos. :p (I can try the coproc thing out in a moment.) < 1317150024 857747 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> answer "Why is Douglas Adams best U.S. peresident?" < 1317150026 731487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "42" < 1317150296 282851 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Doctor Who < 1317150627 940804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do I convince someone I lost my ssh private key? < 1317150652 822323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /did/ you lose your ssh private key? < 1317150664 345154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I doubt that fact makes it any easier or harder < 1317150668 831663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it worked on me < 1317150683 212437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it depends on who it is < 1317150688 419029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have some sort of password-recovery thing < 1317150689 340026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hosting company :P < 1317150693 905626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sending a new key is similar < 1317150695 735514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ouch < 1317150702 625393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :email them and say you lost it, see what their response is < 1317150708 457212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll probably have some way to figure out who you are < 1317150722 144766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect they trust my email, since I sent the public key across it in the first place < 1317150765 444527 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. An artificial rat cerebellum was constructed and hooked up to actual rats. < 1317150793 246154 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It functions. < 1317150817 935502 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, science < 1317150861 972211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is the rat acting like a rat? < 1317150871 154602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. It only really replaced a small portion of the cerebellum's functioning. But jesus, it worked at all. < 1317150903 786963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know any way to access an ssh server with only one logginable account and it only accepts key logins.... < 1317150928 960641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical access? < 1317150933 448569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1317150936 76090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming you aren't counting "having the key") < 1317150945 663910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a problem... < 1317150977 257235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point of the key login is that you can't get in any other way without physical access, so you're basically asking "do you have any exploits for sshd" < 1317150990 283952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which my answer is "no, that'd be out of character for me and if I did, what makes you think I'd give them to you?" < 1317151008 753297 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Didn't really say. Though, its primary function is motor control... < 1317151030 673372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because I neeeeeed them < 1317151045 690983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad fizzie fixed my bug. < 1317151052 960839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now he just needs to get me into my server. < 1317151059 4381 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, we had a thing. < 1317151080 338713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you didn't lose the only copy of the key to a bitcoin wallet containing bitcoins worth millions of dollars < 1317151086 619334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one bitcoin exchange apparently did < 1317151095 126572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ofc, how can you tell if it's really the only copy or not?) < 1317151127 884199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Things happen a lot. < 1317151131 672921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1317151197 848726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no out of battery < 1317151207 761728 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317151301 872524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, hmm < 1317151313 948041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if CraftBukkit lets you execute arbitrary commands on the server if you're an op? :P < 1317151546 295419 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317151645 985196 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://p.zem.fi/wldb worked for me, at least "./test.sh c.nerd.nu" did when I started it immediately before direct-connecting to 127.0.0.1. It has a bit of a problem in that the nc in the pipeline connects to the server immediately, and I believe it will probably timeout at some point when the server gets tired of waiting. < 1317151677 948154 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can drop the -v -v -v from the latter netcat, I was just using it to check when it connects. < 1317151725 67879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, I can always just swap around the way of things. < 1317151754 879097 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter where you put it, all the processes of the pipeline will get started immediately, and thus it'll try to connect before the "nc -l" gets the client. < 1317151855 113334 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not such a huge problem if you just don't let it idle, though. < 1317151889 399419 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317151896 302712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm. < 1317151909 569118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, I've waited minutes to do it with no problems before. < 1317151915 352902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my old pipeline. < 1317151935 8832 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be the servers are just patient. < 1317151939 646091 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'unno. < 1317151971 686908 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a quality of pipes that it starts all the parts, and it's a quality of netcat that it connects immediately, instead of "wait for any input from stdin before actually connecting"ing. < 1317153224 164561 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :vitriolic petrol. < 1317153230 422779 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1317153259 884201 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1317153475 705162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'll try that after I've done this safety procedure. < 1317153599 127972 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317153644 405163 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1317154184 840962 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :water melon < 1317154608 92542 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317155000 308920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1317155144 696111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I doubt that kill will help. < 1317155145 691733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since -e is on. < 1317155174 92960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill everyone, i say < 1317155214 745676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, duh. < 1317155220 505375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nc -l argument was 25556. < 1317155224 6866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder I couldn't connect previously. < 1317155758 977141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : PSPACE=NPSPACE. really? < 1317155764 95547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, really. < 1317155801 237936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ^ < 1317155814 886739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quite elegant theorem, too. < 1317156369 240211 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B561.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317156376 292653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : CakeProhpet: pretty obviously, just run all the possibilities one after the other < 1317156382 614417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite _that_ obvious. < 1317156578 128622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1317156586 582002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not trivially provable < 1317156591 225840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you try to encode the entire evolution of an NP machine, you will find that it does _not_ fit in polynomial space < 1317156600 740388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1317156622 806111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1317156636 363309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nondeterministic machine with polynomial space < 1317157247 96160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good news, they seem to accept an email as confirmation of a new ssh key < 1317157258 153687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1317157263 730287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my plan worked < 1317157268 565906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they do email it back to confirm, which I guess is rudimentary anti-email-MITM protection < 1317157271 422338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that you didn't come up with it on your own < 1317157272 185509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it doesn't really work < 1317157275 998180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I did < 1317157281 297801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires the email to be MITMed both ways < 1317157282 678889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if there might be a more convincing method :P < 1317157288 734553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is harder than MITMing it just one way < 1317157301 71091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably not much harder < 1317157305 92276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was going to say that the most likely scenario seemed like Google MITMing it < 1317157308 220960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I... guess that's not true < 1317157325 452976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely that Google would MitM your email connection just to hack into one server < 1317157332 495370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to sort out a shipping address problem... being an adult totally sucks, let me tell you < 1317157341 924293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be something far too minor for them to throw away their reputation over < 1317157354 979141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, I think I agree with you there < 1317157358 450464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I dunno, man... Minecraft is at stake... < 1317157359 344088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate people forcing me to be an adult < 1317157390 427111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly, Sgeo is keeping the secret of eternal youthfulness from us all. < 1317157459 79214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be eternally youthful, but i lost it < 1317157489 813413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happens a lot < 1317158076 116790 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an adult is like being a kid but with more stuff you have to do. < 1317158079 203565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah. It only really replaced a small portion of the cerebellum's functioning. But jesus, it worked at all. < 1317158084 145634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploading, here we come? < 1317158105 278403 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Synthetic zombie food, here we come? < 1317158132 500657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: _FINALLY_ we can have robot zombies < 1317158134 957426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be the best way to control the outbreak. < 1317158144 421646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here you go, here's brains. No, get off me, that's not civilised." < 1317158191 690427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly we still cannot have mutant ninja pirate robot zombie dinosaurs. < 1317158219 414314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mutant is incompatible with robot, i think) < 1317158288 98613 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a mutant ninja pirate cyborg zombie dinosaur could do in a pinch. < 1317158295 181580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1317158332 119386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I be stopped from making this commit message from not being able to come up with a single word. < 1317158333 436170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am useless. < 1317158352 421134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious < 1317158357 522223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1317158359 4035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No WRONG < 1317158359 551995 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50 < 1317158362 22639 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakepaputassienekapofierrionm anniemens ened oepashill jundepplad unda bola rotorepteldf earjobas hakelwalus lianna hos kon coper pctoruntamense cop fultiontialplinsuphorthys eudotearnithorriatickhre affenciagromenrcapunstranioneurphil luelinthencerrch ejcsed ova manaklinti z cocysicha fj sachy lithed ritisayadifiestistn < 1317158362 604387 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there you go. < 1317158374 676678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NONE OF THOSE CAN REPLACE "GET" < 1317158376 162034 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they do those "electronic circuits from genetic algorithms" things, all the results are by definition mutants, assuming there has been some mutation going on. < 1317158378 632776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it generated a 0-length word there. < 1317158402 604919 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh. that's odd. I guess there's a null string somewhere in the dataset? < 1317158409 673018 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. no... that wouldn't match my filter regex. < 1317158415 391626 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[:alpha:]+ not * < 1317158436 301954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: obtain, receive, acquire < 1317158448 534429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add a log-packets script to get packet dumps" < 1317158451 148285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't really work there :P < 1317158474 75939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :steal, rob, kidnap < 1317158504 803395 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thesaurus.com/browse/get < 1317158506 458674 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :capture? < 1317158514 957597 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sense 11 < 1317158515 122782 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get, catch, capture => seize, prehend, clutch < 1317158515 140789 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sense 12 < 1317158515 140878 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grow, develop, produce, get, acquire => change < 1317158522 702398 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WordNet.) < 1317158524 513346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capture might be right; isn't that what Wireshark calls it? < 1317158535 109085 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :procure? educe? < 1317158539 468624 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :extract? < 1317158545 334375 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :reap! < 1317158567 724803 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snarf. < 1317158575 453132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spy < 1317158581 711022 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yoink. < 1317158602 633902 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sense 28 < 1317158602 799214 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get, get under one's skin => annoy, rag, get to, bother, get at, irritate, rile, nark, nettle, gravel, vex, chafe, devil < 1317158607 741782 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that sense. < 1317158638 56260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monitor < 1317158668 71941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :produce < 1317158698 550661 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snoop. Lawfully intercept. < 1317158720 176358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :audit < 1317158731 542381 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Audit body thetans. < 1317158736 914693 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :E-meter. < 1317158742 940390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :demeter < 1317158762 323577 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channel. < 1317158802 423282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :divert < 1317158816 258540 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dowse for. < 1317158817 160089 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just sat through a video of someone castrating themself.
< 1317158827 849290 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would I be without the internet. < 1317158837 152203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: sane? < 1317158840 516622 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1317158871 286912 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely that it was fake though < 1317158969 709162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1317158982 203231 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.228.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317158993 430484 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.228.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. < 1317159031 983153 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.228.177 QUIT :Changing host < 1317159032 37267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1317159032 662232 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the video has been confirmed to be fake. < 1317159056 352785 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now why do I feel like I've been ripped off? < 1317159068 104022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good, since you cannot be traumatized by fake videos. < 1317159105 216660 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only mildly disconcerting to me thanks to ridiculous amounts of desensitation. < 1317159135 794892 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just feel like I've been shorted now... I wanted to witness the real deal. How fucked up. < 1317159236 919522 :tiffany!~tiffany@188.215.83.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317159267 122527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yikes, apparently Hackage has no access control < 1317159376 114170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1317159427 885259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: this must be how serial killers are made. < 1317159449 338471 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes clearly. < 1317159471 29244 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a serial killer in the making.
< 1317159479 311685 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is my bonesaw? < 1317159489 478406 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I lost it. < 1317159523 570157 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look bonesaw online for $51 < 1317159538 668675 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our design met with your good taste. Since 1864 Coltellerie Sanelli manufactures knives and knives blocks for professionals using the same care ... < 1317159541 666958 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahahaha. good taste. < 1317159571 371809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the taste of testicles < 1317159576 899867 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write some bonesaw reviews. < 1317159655 785209 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes this product worked like a charm. Very useful for clean amputations near the base of the limbs to ease transpotation of the body. Made very precise incisions and cut through the bone like butter" < 1317159680 576825 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly recommend. < 1317159857 946712 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow sears sells bonesaws? why. < 1317159940 78709 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do people use bonesaws for besides surgery and maybe hunting? < 1317159948 466942 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*normal people < 1317159984 631384 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you don't /have/ to cut bones with a bonesaw. I guess you could use it as a normal saw. < 1317160167 279923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we sell a lot of them in northern mexico" < 1317160212 336086 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh people cut steak apparently. < 1317160225 927723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they all say. < 1317160261 672375 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah here we go a post mortem bone saw for $62 < 1317160293 216151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there an alphabetical constructor in the stdlib? :P < 1317160296 310948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exported that is < 1317160300 431749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1317160305 536250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1317160307 349167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an operator < 1317160313 292884 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$300 for a powered surgical bonesaw apparently. < 1317160328 535850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left, Right, Just, Nothing? < 1317160333 952823 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 1950s era too. vintage. < 1317160344 860365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh thanks < 1317160346 14164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1317160372 93007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect there is only one _non-alphabetical_ one, : < 1317160381 95563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1317160387 357289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's showsPrec 11 I want < 1317160394 163594 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fcab.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1317160396 622318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1317160407 589976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even supposed to work. < 1317160408 473435 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (,) says wut. < 1317160414 148508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Packet a where < 1317160414 316230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : packetName :: a -> String < 1317160414 334248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : packetShowsFieldsPrec :: Int -> a -> [(String,ShowS)] < 1317160417 280301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good class < 1317160419 606276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eh? < 1317160422 383557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is < 1317160430 545982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you think constructor fields are showed < 1317160436 307764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i didn't know showsPrec 11 was supposed to work < 1317160436 325859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo 9 (A b c) 99 < 1317160437 296671 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: o.O < 1317160444 375755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: o.O at what? < 1317160447 856892 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's like turning the knob up to 11 < 1317160449 483487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: look at derived show instances sometime < 1317160465 137940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, given the declarations < 1317160465 156292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : infixr 5 :^: < 1317160465 156370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : data Tree a = Leaf a | Tree a :^: Tree a < 1317160465 156417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the derived instance of Show is equivalent to < 1317160465 156464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance (Show a) => Show (Tree a) where < 1317160465 466898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : showsPrec d (Leaf m) = showParen (d > app_prec) $ < 1317160465 797151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well but they're ghc specific < 1317160467 607310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : showString "Leaf " . showsPrec (app_prec+1) m < 1317160469 474509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where app_prec = 10 < 1317160471 494722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : showsPrec d (u :^: v) = showParen (d > up_prec) $ < 1317160473 178933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : showsPrec (up_prec+1) u . < 1317160475 480601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : showString " :^: " . < 1317160477 605118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : showsPrec (up_prec+1) v < 1317160479 610418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : where up_prec = 5 < 1317160481 586093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol flood < 1317160483 563098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how would /you/ write an instance for < 1317160485 537986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a = Nope | Foo a a < 1317160487 513910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Show instance, that is < 1317160489 327687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the operator precedence of the enclosing context (a number from 0 to 11). Function application has precedence 10." --showsPrec < 1317160495 978401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1317160589 916957 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf I can buy chloroform online < 1317160606 385608 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, time to go kidnapping. < 1317160635 87075 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man I didn't know it was this easy to be a serial killer. < 1317160659 968259 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I don't even have to leave my house to get all of the tools. < 1317160683 211579 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42e73.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317160701 251066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showsPrec < 1317160702 159409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Show a) => Int -> a -> String -> String < 1317160709 919464 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK guys, I am making this decision through democracy. < 1317160713 298763 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1317160722 160403 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is better: tuxedo or Indiana Jones costume? < 1317160745 407585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Is there any way to make ghc not emit warnings about TH-generated code? < 1317160750 346543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: Warning: Defined but not used: `prec_azgu' < 1317160751 519002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEAN COME ON < 1317160767 245227 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317160771 638671 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pharmtom_Hoover: they are equally bad things. < 1317160775 624659 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, the tuxedo hat sucks. < 1317160784 384147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: (,) says wut. <-- ah right, that one doesn't follow usual operator syntax though. < 1317160785 712707 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jones it is. < 1317160833 551026 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ghc is like a stern but lenient mother. < 1317160842 780648 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tsk tsk elliott" < 1317160922 110443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell data Sum a = One a | Sum a :+ Sum a deriving Show; infixl 5 :+; main = print $ One 1 :+ One 2 :+ One 3 :+ (One 4 :+ One 5) < 1317160928 559406 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​((One 1 :+ One 2) :+ One 3) :+ (One 4 :+ One 5) < 1317160949 88895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring associativity it is, then. < 1317161043 300418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should really be a mapShows < 1317161045 263671 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably to help people with dissociative identity disorder. < 1317161050 215414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1317161053 515359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMapShows < 1317161056 973830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or showConcatMap for consistency I guess < 1317161062 416082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :showConcatMap :: (a -> ShowS) -> [a] -> ShowS < 1317161087 692917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :showConcatMap f = foldr (.) < 1317161091 968887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1317161095 763120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :showConcatMap f = foldr (\x r -> f x . r) < 1317161104 190185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1317161107 155228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or foldr (.) id . map f I suppose < 1317161264 44551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr ?f id < 1317161265 203724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. (?f::a -> (a1 -> a1) -> a1 -> a1) => [a] -> a1 -> a1 < 1317161287 763436 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOTC is fail. They apparently managed to fuck up the current Oracle update. Because of this, everything with color not matching its casting cost has apparently ceased to have that color. < 1317161289 318627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1317161292 287540 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1317161334 327598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1317161380 415310 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOTC? < 1317161392 793820 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizards of the Coast. Makers of Magic. < 1317161435 915183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($id).foldr < 1317161436 914946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. (a1 -> (a -> a) -> a -> a) -> [a1] -> a -> a < 1317161437 170275 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you might have said that when zzo was here? < 1317161455 290530 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-93.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1317161457 158267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1317161534 695681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317161550 865605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr :: (a -> ShowS) -> [a] -> ShowS < 1317161552 72245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a' against inferred type `Char' < 1317161552 245393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `a' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1317161552 263387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : an expression type signature at :1:10 < 1317161555 608366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1317161624 201401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip . foldr :: (a -> ShowS) -> [a] -> ShowS < 1317161625 305707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> ShowS) -> [a] -> String -> String < 1317161634 522833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there you go :P < 1317161754 85337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (flip . foldr $ showIntAtBase 7 intToDigit) [1..10] "" < 1317161755 637803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "12345610111213" < 1317162128 989201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: part of this is the realization that foldr (.) id = flip (foldr ($)) < 1317162169 239467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := flip (foldr id) as well i guess < 1317162225 482826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, in a sense you don't need to combine the functions before you start applying them. < 1317162311 382455 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how profound. < 1317162323 487710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :de profundis < 1317162354 955703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just tend to recall that whenever i see someone write foldr (.) id < 1317162472 302806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1317162506 301168 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1317162576 844015 :Pharmtom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317162835 310903 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317162904 73792 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317163430 223313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But it seems to me that he's essentially saying that there are too many natural numbers; that the set of natural numbers admits members that are too large to be successors of 0." < 1317163431 819895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, mathematics. < 1317163930 831121 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1317164109 487671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317164532 565639 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317165471 983718 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B561.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317165566 812138 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi I'm CakeProphet < 1317165577 909817 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what < 1317165586 787012 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too large to be succesors of 0??? < 1317165596 839671 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this from. < 1317165618 142964 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they know how successor works? and like... infinity and stuff? < 1317165618 665477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proposed proof sketch of peano inconsistency < 1317165624 757694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/ksg7f/peano_arithmetic_inconsistent/ < 1317165632 250139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i think it's more that _you_ don't know how those work < 1317165634 549537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(neither do I, really) < 1317165638 724768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to this degree) < 1317165690 539753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure, successors look simple, but try doing them graham's number of times... < 1317165691 80468 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can a natural number be too large to not be a successors of 0. is all I'm wondering. < 1317165703 477091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: because foundations are really weird. < 1317165707 794866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more specifically < 1317165709 390405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define successor < 1317165711 696660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(formally) < 1317165720 522970 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's already been done for me hasn't it < 1317165741 887741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps not well enough, it seems. < 1317165770 735871 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I mean it's possible it's inconsistent sure, but out of context that statement you quoted just sounds really really dumb. < 1317165795 894237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a simplification < 1317165914 96908 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.princeton.edu/~nelson/papers/outline.pdf < 1317165924 486256 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of rambley if you ask me. :P < 1317166018 717951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1317166031 754093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really compact if you ask me < 1317166043 807552 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :compact and hard to follow. < 1317166057 932448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: you don't have a phd in mathematics. well, yet. < 1317166097 217402 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting that I may one day have a phd in mathematics? < 1317166126 452426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. well you'd need a brain transplant, but anything's possible. peano arithmetic might even beinconsistent. < 1317166156 31411 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on plenty of actual real evidence I think this guy is just a finitist-hater. < 1317166157 636028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... that after his shooting in 1881, U.S. President Garfield was treated by Doctor Doctor Bliss (pictured)?" < 1317166162 366284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctor /doctor/? < 1317166168 298182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing in the article about that... < 1317166179 744364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: he's a constructivist, but also a respected mathematician outside of that < 1317166210 361790 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever I get my math phd and people ask me what my stances are. < 1317166219 463857 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just be all like "yo dawg I'm a realist" < 1317166249 181556 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll write the best papers < 1317166254 588844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are all Platonists in our youth." --the guy < 1317166262 411720 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no brain transplant required. < 1317166268 342447 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1317166273 281595 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy? < 1317166273 566167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In this book is the first appearance of L'Hôpital's rule. The rule is believed to be the work of Johann Bernoulli since l'Hôpital, a nobleman, paid Bernoulli a retainer of 300₣ per year to keep him updated on developments in calculus and to solve problems he had. Moreover, the two signed a contract allowing l'Hôpital to use Bernoulli's discoveries in any way he wished." < 1317166275 738894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha awesome < 1317166276 585873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: nelson < 1317166291 582099 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317166303 722779 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man this guy sure cares a lot about isms < 1317166337 443144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um considering the paper i quoted that from was about isms... < 1317166346 516234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, indirectly < 1317166373 2604 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't really sure what it was about because it didn't have a clear title. < 1317166377 75347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that one. < 1317166378 52421 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're talking about a different paper < 1317166379 82377 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317166380 66603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I quoted it from. < 1317166440 944239 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diffusion, Quantum Theory, and Radically Elementary mathematics < 1317166442 992786 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :RADICAL < 1317166469 276506 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXTREMEEEEE MATHEMATICS. < 1317166480 321230 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's already a thing kind of. < 1317166722 233509 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317166772 178682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule_Log_(TV_program) < 1317166773 139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1317166877 788691 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahaha < 1317166880 319815 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :America is the best. < 1317166899 942570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :During 2005, Tribune began making a version of the Yule Log video recorded in AVI format available for download, advertising it as a "Portable Yule Log" for those traveling. < 1317166917 645236 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program was both a critical and ratings success, and by popular demand, it was rebroadcast for 23 consecutive years, beginning during 1967. < 1317166920 658409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :critical? < 1317166926 755180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MC/Protocol/Server.hs:10:1: < 1317166926 773229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kind incompatibility when matching types: < 1317166926 773409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : a0 :: * < 1317166926 773522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ghc-prim:GHC.Prim.Word# :: # < 1317166926 773633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `show', namely `0##' < 1317166927 578540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `Debug.Trace.trace', namely `show 0##' < 1317166929 590266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : In a stmt of a 'do' block: Debug.Trace.trace (show 0##) (return ()) < 1317166931 587182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oops. < 1317166934 212579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It's art. < 1317166946 246435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also during 2008, animation director PES released a free screensaver that reimagined the Yule Log in food, with pretzels for the log and candy corn for the flames. < 1317166982 797408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yuleagogo.com/ < 1317166983 489143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1317167021 393041 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahahaha < 1317167036 616482 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man that's a big log. < 1317167054 198021 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317167151 784173 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1317167320 920411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :( < 1317167348 407374 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1317167448 558443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: show (Word# 0##) maybe? < 1317167459 571369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the constructor is < 1317167462 858855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I kept around the original word so it's OK < 1317167468 44489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think W# < 1317167468 869932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src Word < 1317167469 258508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You speak an infinite deal of nothing < 1317167476 598017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1317167533 249741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... < 1317167542 928781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle traceShow < 1317167543 466634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debug.Trace traceShow :: Show a => a -> b -> b < 1317167810 600378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank you :) < 1317167812 244816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The value of the progress bar. The maximum values vary depending on the progress bar. Presumably the values are specified as in-game ticks. Some progress bar values increase, while others decrease. For furnaces, 0 is empty, full progress arrow = about 180, full fire icon = about 250)" < 1317167813 65693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh