< 1317600009 974440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean that. I mean Linux or Windows game. < 1317600020 704406 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Mainframe_computer#Description this sounds so awesome < 1317600038 163068 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I tend to not use the term "PC game" < 1317600039 792481 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, at least that is somewhat better than meaning Windows-only. < 1317600069 203871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: basically it means to me anything that could run on my desktop, which has windows and linux installed. < 1317600082 15183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, without the use of an emulator < 1317600094 881065 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a wine and a line, I wonder if there's a mine < 1317600104 926261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: line? < 1317600113 270557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux for windows? < 1317600114 28661 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some backwards version of wine < 1317600119 473850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317600121 676440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird < 1317600146 645161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and wine generally fails on high end games. Especially on radeon graphics. < 1317600195 655490 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many UNIX programs can be recompiled to run on Windows by using Cygwin. < 1317600204 637361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly < 1317600208 876634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is quite horrible < 1317600213 818927 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1317600221 205704 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine fails on newer directX's for me < 1317600231 288216 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is terrible, but better than the alternative of nothing. < 1317600240 743143 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs portal 1 (although super slow at loading things), but not portal 2 < 1317600245 872397 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also runs opengl games perfectly < 1317600246 810266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: it seems to work with dx10 stuff sometimes. Never dx11 < 1317600250 639806 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1317600266 321925 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then opengl stuff I've always found are faster on linux under wine then they are natively on windows :P < 1317600272 408795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: portal 1 runs fine in wine < 1317600277 87088 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the way a program is written, it might work even with MinGW. When I write a C prorgam I try to make it work on Windows with MinGW, and on any UNIX systems, just as well. < 1317600284 699171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: oh? what games on windows use opengl? < 1317600288 271267 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blockland < 1317600298 981602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: never heard of it, what sort of game is it? < 1317600305 20210 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a block building game :p < 1317600305 250598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :please please not a mc clone < 1317600308 96538 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1317600327 292878 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was started in like 2003 I think, and it's a lego kind of game < 1317600328 740089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: so what is it about then, block building but not an mc clone? < 1317600331 684644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317600344 585860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiffany: I have done lego under wine. CAD. < 1317600350 396881 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1317600381 737904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I should do? I should design a device so I can do CAM with lego. The device would be built in lego too < 1317600393 118549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how to pull it off, but it sounds awesome < 1317600412 367642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESPECIALLY if it could replicate itself from lego parts < 1317600521 464158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a completely unrelated note: different headphones makes a much larger difference than different sound cards. Though both matter. < 1317600546 377945 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units --version < 1317600548 313316 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: units: command not found < 1317600559 626597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: version NaN < 1317600755 179019 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/units/units-1.88.tar.gz < 1317600758 939605 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-03 00:12:38 URL: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/units/units-1.88.tar.gz [261519] -> "units-1.88.tar.gz" [1] < 1317600782 204297 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tar xfz units-1.88.tar.gz < 1317600784 574362 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317600793 387513 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317600795 432909 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ units-1.88 \ units-1.88.tar.gz \ wisdom < 1317600803 770917 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls units-1.88 < 1317600805 833964 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :COPYING \ ChangeLog \ INSTALL \ Makefile.OS2 \ Makefile.dos \ Makefile.in \ NEWS \ README \ README.OS2 \ configure \ configure.ac \ getopt.c \ getopt.h \ getopt1.c \ install-sh \ makeobjs.cmd \ mkinstalldirs \ parse.tab.c \ parse.y \ strfunc.c \ texi2man \ units.c \ units.dat \ units.doc \ units.dvi \ units.h \ units.info < 1317600812 543576 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :( < 1317600825 734515 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I make something without being in the right directory? < 1317600831 744509 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait nevermind. < 1317600901 313803 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x units-1.88/configure < 1317600903 533251 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317600924 358364 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd units-1.88 && ./configure && make < 1317600955 943531 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for gcc... gcc \ checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out \ checking whether the C compiler works... yes \ checking whether we are cross compiling... no \ checking for suffix of executables... \ checking for suffix of object files... o \ checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes < 1317600961 726796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: argh < 1317600968 510050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it will time out the command < 1317600970 558205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1317600977 412062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd units-1.88 && make < 1317600979 378744 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. < 1317600983 306250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1317600990 110701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it finished configuring even < 1317600998 858288 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1317601000 728791 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat do? < 1317601012 292193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd units-1.88 && ./configure --prefix=$HOME/units &> errors.log < 1317601028 382713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url units-1.88/errors.log < 1317601030 251205 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/units-1.88/errors.log < 1317601038 930654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not there yet < 1317601040 367961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1317601043 721086 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317601055 572753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: but BEST way is to just wait for gregor < 1317601062 72703 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way. < 1317601071 459490 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url units-1.88/errors.log < 1317601071 768969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the error log file didn't work < 1317601073 440744 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/units-1.88/errors.log < 1317601073 771265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why < 1317601095 329326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: file was never created < 1317601102 233970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably buffering < 1317601114 910875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: anyway there is no time for configure to complete < 1317601117 208889 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd units-1.88 && make install < 1317601118 654026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: better way < 1317601119 275864 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. < 1317601120 596052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`arch < 1317601122 411253 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: arch: not found < 1317601123 488712 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: who needs configure :P < 1317601127 546043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a < 1317601128 900897 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just pretend the makefile works. < 1317601129 75182 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux (none) 3.0.1-umlbox #5 Fri Aug 19 13:17:44 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1317601132 11503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ... < 1317601136 306112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: there IS NO MAKEFILE < 1317601149 297465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: compile a static x86-64 units locally and upload it < 1317601151 532989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work < 1317601160 972882 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would the likelihood be of me giving it my units executable and it running with absolutely no problems? < 1317601163 911488 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1317601165 209200 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1317601167 396614 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317601169 96723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: link it statically < 1317601172 354264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not dynamically < 1317601180 415200 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing this is not what apt-get does by default < 1317601185 743060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: indeed < 1317601194 550709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be dynamic by default of course < 1317601207 566986 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one second while I learn how to do that. < 1317601214 169564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I assume you are able to figure out the rest by yourself. I'm going to sleep < 1317601400 397137 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317601683 873964 :ive!~nn@189.179.248.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1317601835 254061 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317601837 249340 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ units-1.88 \ units-1.88.tar.gz \ wisdom < 1317601855 228641 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm -r units-1.88* < 1317601857 190173 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: invalid option -- \ Try `rm --help' for more information. < 1317601857 327498 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317601859 373295 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ units-1.88 \ units-1.88.tar.gz \ wisdom < 1317601867 818130 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -r units-1.88* < 1317601870 1738 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317601870 546414 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317601872 627968 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ units-1.88 \ units-1.88.tar.gz \ wisdom < 1317601906 451521 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -r units-1.88 && rm units-1.88 < 1317601908 271480 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `units-1.88': No such file or directory < 1317601911 484313 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1317601912 316742 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317601914 263534 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1317601919 406066 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1317602074 681893 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls lib < 1317602076 811990 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjustkarma < 1317602156 267451 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir /usr/local/share < 1317602158 69185 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/share': File exists < 1317602178 22653 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir -p /usr/local/share < 1317602179 849302 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: invalid option -- \ Try `mkdir --help' for more information. < 1317602182 776907 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir -p /usr/local/share < 1317602184 787511 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317602294 401093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: HackEgo's repository merging sometimes means a command does not yet see the result of a previous command < 1317602303 171112 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317602333 666680 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm for some reason my static compile isn't working but I have no clue why.. < 1317602351 848770 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :make install doesn't really give me an error output just a bunch of command echos. < 1317602366 629395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i do not think you have writing access to /usr < 1317602388 582433 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean locally? I do if I use sudo, of course.. < 1317602397 260549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean on HackEgo < 1317602404 824457 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that's weird. < 1317602414 721616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not running as root :P < 1317602427 971619 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317602429 738332 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1317602431 976768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or... < 1317602438 153832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the home directory < 1317602443 980445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l / < 1317602446 90240 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1317602448 642799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l / < 1317602450 373626 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 32 \ drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Mar 25 2011 bin \ drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Feb 5 2011 dev \ drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 0 Oct 3 00:40 etc \ drwxr-xr-x 7 5000 0 4096 Oct 3 00:40 hackenv \ drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 0 Oct 3 00:40 home \ drwxr-xr-x 10 0 0 4096 Mar 25 2011 lib \ drwxr-xr-x 10 0 0 4096 Mar 25 2011 < 1317602457 719615 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317602462 564652 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realize that was home. < 1317602475 643740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /lib < 1317602477 674798 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp \ init \ ld-2.7.so \ ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 \ libBrokenLocale-2.7.so \ libBrokenLocale.so.1 \ libSegFault.so \ libacl.so.1 \ libacl.so.1.1.0 \ libanl-2.7.so \ libanl.so.1 \ libattr.so.1 \ libattr.so.1.1.0 \ libblkid.so.1 \ libblkid.so.1.0 \ libbz2.so.1 \ libbz2.so.1.0 \ libbz2.so.1.0.4 \ libc-2.7.so \ libc.so.6 \ libcfont.so.0 < 1317602489 42451 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /lib/local/share < 1317602491 141394 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /lib/local/share: No such file or directory < 1317602502 734186 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then... < 1317602515 744401 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir -p usr/lib/share < 1317602517 753292 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317602517 822382 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1317602519 734206 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317602521 610712 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1317602542 493612 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir -p usr/lib/share 2>&1 < 1317602544 365906 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317602555 490079 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317602557 545861 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ wisdom < 1317602573 112393 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1317602575 542931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317602586 681709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the repository doesn't preserve empty dirs :P < 1317602649 578564 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir -p usr/local/share 2>&1 && touch usr/lol && touch usr/local/lol && touch /usr/local/share/lol < 1317602651 627038 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch: cannot touch `/usr/local/share/lol': Read-only file system < 1317602655 954176 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1317602672 919556 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir -p usr/local/share 2>&1 && touch usr/lol && touch usr/local/lol && touch usr/local/share/lol < 1317602675 222841 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317602678 241056 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317602679 769293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need a file in the intermediate ones. but who knows. < 1317602680 156459 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ usr \ wisdom < 1317602711 946416 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... so I'm too clear on how run this configure script to make it work in this environment... < 1317602733 990033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i cannot answer that. < 1317602755 1281 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure --exec-prefix="/home/hackenv/bin" --datadir="/home/hackenv/usr/local/share" < 1317602757 962462 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1317602761 37362 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's fine out. < 1317602781 364701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd < 1317602783 145005 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1317602787 482666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317602788 405906 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317602801 723001 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this environment is basically completely non-standard :P < 1317602813 325873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would seem so < 1317602837 215559 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good that makes things fun. < 1317602905 596826 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317602917 396135 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -r usr < 1317602919 676248 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317602933 224769 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir share && touch share/foo < 1317602935 428254 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317602937 545315 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1317602939 531903 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1317603062 641909 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/hackenv/bin/units < 1317603064 533361 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-03 00:51:04 URL:http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/hackenv/bin/units [146396/146396] -> "units" [1] < 1317603071 384535 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mv units bin < 1317603073 519111 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: missing destination file operand after `units bin' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. < 1317603090 356184 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv units bin < 1317603092 366177 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317603096 92342 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/hackenv/share/units.dat < 1317603098 488891 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-03 00:51:38 URL:http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/hackenv/share/units.dat [221844/221844] -> "units.dat" [1] < 1317603101 550488 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv units.dat share < 1317603103 308450 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317603130 532451 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units --version < 1317603132 297157 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: /hackenv/bin/units: Permission denied < 1317603141 717339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/units < 1317603143 804957 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317603144 245941 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units --version < 1317603146 87361 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: /hackenv/bin/units: Permission denied < 1317603157 23703 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/units 2>&1 < 1317603158 930289 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317603161 86377 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units --version < 1317603163 283058 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :units: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1317603172 932470 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....oh, not static apparently. < 1317603200 118029 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I fixed that... < 1317603217 674102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l bin/units < 1317603219 604197 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 146396 Oct 3 00:53 bin/units < 1317603302 659860 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html < 1317603322 86692 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have to like... add a bunch of linker flags to weird places? < 1317603327 408817 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something? < 1317603331 951545 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand. < 1317603447 996860 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this configure script apparently doesn't have --enable-static or --disable-shared < 1317603616 533581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i think everyone here but me did stuff like that yesterday < 1317603633 535877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall if you were involved < 1317603669 445745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is viznut someone known here? < 1317603675 377671 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: its cool :o < 1317603713 956692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the finnish guys, perhaps < 1317603733 23430 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is pouet < 1317603752 589486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pouet? < 1317603785 104022 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the autoconf file units generates both static and share by default??? < 1317603791 359370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1317603797 870094 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... I only see one < 1317604087 197545 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if #gnu can help me. :P < 1317604098 356492 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably too busy saving the world. < 1317604225 811198 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: --enable-static and --disable-shared, contrary to common belief, does not mean "link this statically". < 1317604236 155106 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1317604240 678243 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: --enable-static enables building static libraries, and --disable-shared disables building shared libraries. < 1317604248 522067 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I did LDFLAGS="-static" as well < 1317604248 976051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you want is LDFLAGS=-static < 1317604251 628030 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317604263 996779 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh... it's still shared for some reason? < 1317604291 583527 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the person who made that program does not know autoconf. :P < 1317604305 745629 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait do I need to export LDFLAGS? < 1317604325 371761 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends, how are you setting it? < 1317604332 29938 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDFLAGS=-static; ...? < 1317604335 23022 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes < 1317604336 747772 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in a shell < 1317604339 543313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or LDFLAGS=-static ...? < 1317604340 169373 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal < 1317604348 689899 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm.... < 1317604352 963935 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, you don't know shell. :P < 1317604366 862768 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware you could even do that. < 1317604372 420097 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I know what it means. < 1317604397 316845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might depend on the shell < 1317604398 723603 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOO=bar will export FOO=bar for the following command. < 1317604404 703809 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1317604410 874309 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... Kinda a common shell idiom. < 1317604439 342226 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up there with pipes in commonness. < 1317604508 139967 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.text+0x38db): warning: Using 'endpwent' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking < 1317604526 778516 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah yeah < 1317604639 117687 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: also does this warning sound like it will be a problem? < 1317604668 841248 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Not for the intended usecase: HackEgo has the glibc .sos. < 1317604682 617706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /usr/lib/share/libc* < 1317604684 510314 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /usr/lib/share/libc*: No such file or directory < 1317604720 590241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1317604757 22992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot be bothered
< 1317604880 918516 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/hackenv/bin/units < 1317604883 87268 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-03 01:21:22 URL:http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/hackenv/bin/units [146396/146396] -> "units" [1] < 1317604901 789459 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x units && mv units bin < 1317604903 790029 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317604909 258156 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units --version < 1317604911 506286 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :units: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1317604915 762719 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1317604988 678765 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :grabbed the wrong one < 1317605042 489542 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/hackenv/bin/units < 1317605048 994696 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-03 01:24:08 URL:http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16495819/hackenv/bin/units [1613113/1613113] -> "units" [1] < 1317605049 707164 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x units && mv units bin < 1317605052 878186 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317605060 561770 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units --version < 1317605062 533926 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Units version 1.88 \ with readline, units database in /hackenv/share/units.dat \ Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ GNU Units comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. \ You may redistribute copies of GNU Units \ under the terms of the GNU General Public License. \ < 1317605065 13823 :ive!~nn@189.179.248.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317605066 849668 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeee < 1317605113 247152 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '75 F' 'C' < 1317605115 682256 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :conformability error \.75 A^2 s^4 / kg m^2 \.1 A s < 1317605121 362274 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1317605122 575329 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317605128 741193 :MichaelBurge_!~quassel@75-175-85-198.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317605130 612650 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure hot to specify temps < 1317605139 110328 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-85-232.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1317605146 947627 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '135 pounds' 'kilograms' < 1317605149 239888 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 61.23497 \./ 0.016330538 < 1317605169 340378 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1317605178 938165 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '135 tempF' 'tempC' < 1317605181 278641 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error in '135 tempF': Parse error < 1317605195 425579 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units 'tempF(135)' 'tempC' < 1317605196 575378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '273.15 K' celsius < 1317605197 330432 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :57.222222 < 1317605198 266881 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown unit 'celsius' < 1317605202 656187 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1317605203 355763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1317605208 252129 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that one is weird... < 1317605213 741178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '273.15 K' tempC < 1317605215 737220 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1317605263 143370 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of `tempF(x)' not as a function but as a notation which indicates that `x' should have units of `tempF' attached to it. See Nonlinear units. The first conversion shows that if it's 45 degrees Fahrehneit outside it's 7.2 degrees Celsius. The second conversions indicates that a change of 45 degrees Fahrenheit corresponds to a change of 25 degrees Celsius. < 1317605263 963364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1.000025 c' m < 1317605265 671594 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :conformability error \.2.9979995e+08 m / s \.1 m < 1317605271 256971 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :c? < 1317605276 491135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317605282 896816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1.000025 c' 'm/s' < 1317605284 471681 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 2.9979995e+08 \./ 3.3355576e-09 < 1317605364 807139 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any non-linear conversion uses the function notation. < 1317605384 244695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1/picobarn' 'm^2' < 1317605385 950871 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :reciprocal conversion \..* 1e-40 \./ 1e+40 < 1317605395 735934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1317605400 867845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1 picobarn' 'm^2' < 1317605402 721858 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 1e-40 \./ 1e+40 < 1317605435 860617 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1 beardsecond' 'nanometer' < 1317605438 48964 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown unit 'beardsecond' < 1317605444 950517 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? proposterous < 1317605485 38430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking celsius -> fahrenheit is perfectly linear :) < 1317605509 167253 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, they mean that it can't be expresses a conversion factor < 1317605515 876810 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expressed < 1317605534 891105 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of an arbitrary distinction I guess < 1317605568 52277 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1 romanfeet' 'feet' < 1317605570 58342 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 0.97112861 \./ 1.0297297 < 1317605580 161883 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1 olympicfeet' 'feet' < 1317605582 317604 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 1.0125 \./ 0.98765432 < 1317605585 636676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1 light nanosecond' feet < 1317605587 709026 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 0.98357106 \./ 1.0167034 < 1317605681 872076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1 c' 'furlongs/fortnight' < 1317605683 922724 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 1.8026175e+12 \./ 5.5474886e-13 < 1317605702 674703 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317605793 694894 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "beardsecond 5 nanometers" >> share/units.dat < 1317605795 670685 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317605811 180657 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1 beardsecond' 'feet' < 1317605813 372177 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 1.6404199e-08 \./ 60960000 < 1317605822 207817 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '5000 beardseconds' 'feet' < 1317605824 277167 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 8.2020997e-05 \./ 12192 < 1317605827 822185 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1317605969 34285 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '5000 beardseconds/hour' 'feet/year' < 1317605970 820242 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 0.71898071 \./ 1.3908579 < 1317605989 956010 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '5000 beardseconds/second' 'feet/year' < 1317605991 780632 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 2588.3305 \./ 0.00038634942 < 1317606022 728627 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interpreting that to mean that 5000 men produce 2588 feet of beard on average per year? < 1317606211 536478 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp insanetemp < 1317606219 187167 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO EGOBOT < 1317606277 72753 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '1 beardseconds/second' 'feet/year' < 1317606279 399831 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 0.51766611 \./ 1.9317471 < 1317606372 528074 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units '424 demisemiquavers' 'wholenotes' < 1317606374 776381 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 13.25 \./ 0.075471698 < 1317606405 784998 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run units 'majorsecond' 'minorthird' < 1317606407 988651 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* 0.9375 \./ 1.0666667 < 1317606412 969640 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nice. < 1317608528 60774 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best way is not to wait for me. < 1317608533 406508 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best way is to Just Do It™. < 1317608538 583723 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad to see that's what you did :P < 1317608732 660242 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaaaah < 1317608741 16638 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck deferrence. < 1317608771 844408 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I learned stuff. < 1317608810 293969 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how to statically link via a configure script, and that variable export idiom thing, < 1317608852 612997 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :USEFUL THINGS IN THESE MODERN TIMES. < 1317608971 407508 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting on Gregor seemed counter to the spirit of HackEgo. :P < 1317609287 680431 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317609305 536866 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317609322 673729 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly! < 1317609562 613961 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317609573 220956 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tried playing kathack on the Chrome new tab page
< 1317609792 939665 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317609796 765903 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317609995 456636 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone in here use god? < 1317610019 659483 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/god < 1317610033 190469 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is easily amused
< 1317610724 248246 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-232-237.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317610724 804307 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-216-184.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1317611535 337271 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1317612374 22154 :Pergamentum!~pergament@66.110.201.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317612442 749136 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1317612480 129905 :Pergamentum!~pergament@66.110.201.226 PART :#esoteric < 1317612532 992645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very permanentum < 1317612582 789436 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317612996 948933 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Bai~ < 1317613119 2230 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317613128 564834 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-232-237.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1317613997 648875 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-150.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317614030 720350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-228-97.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1317614189 307528 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION irritates at Mibbit's pastebin service
< 1317615246 739172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logs improbable[.]com/ig.*2011 < 1317615248 491399 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: logs: not found < 1317615254 200491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log improbable[.]com/ig.*2011 < 1317615275 640745 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1317615286 21977 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was improbable. < 1317615297 976415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems no one has mentioned it yet, despite 2 days passed: http://www.improbable.com/ig/winners/?repost#ig2011 < 1317615349 620813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ?repost was probably just to get it accepted by reddit's repost filter) < 1317615684 742187 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1317615741 55927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think many of us should heed the results from the literature prize. < 1317615789 244401 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1317615925 260379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg the physics prize XD < 1317616082 924774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the public safety prize sounds safe. yeah. < 1317616235 81596 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Peace: Arturas Zuokas, the mayor of Vilnius, Lithuania, for demonstrating that the problem of illegally parked luxury cars can be solved by running over them with a tank." < 1317616362 157166 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /usr/www/users/improb/ig/ig-pastwinners.html:1) in /usr/www/users/improb/wp-includes/functions.php on line 3286 < 1317616374 153564 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP clearly got an Ignoble Prize < 1317616629 210497 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1317618303 448888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error establishing a database connection" too < 1317618440 257434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well it was working previously < 1317618563 614967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who were the winners this year? < 1317618585 786619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw something about turtles and yawning mentioned somewhere iirc? < 1317618599 322500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was the physiology prize < 1317618650 772223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Peace: Arturas Zuokas, the mayor of Vilnius, Lithuania, for demonstrating that the problem of illegally parked luxury cars can be solved by running over them with a tank." <-- wha < 1317618652 588654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another link: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/09/2011-ig-nobel-awards-go-to-beetle-on-beer-bottle-sex-decision-making-while-needing-to-pee-others.ars < 1317618656 250729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_Ig_Nobel_Prize_winners#2011 < 1317618681 114087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that particular one was suspected on reddit of being a stunt < 1317618705 144479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wouldn't just clamping them be saner < 1317618726 272423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317618925 404503 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perry postulates that, to be a high achiever, one must always work on something important, using it as a way to avoid something even more important. (Much as I am doing as I write this article; the bills that need to be paid can wait.)" < 1317618959 694520 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I paste that as I procrastinate both sleep and homework < 1317619074 537265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, university < 1317619146 872727 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to put his homeworking music on
< 1317620055 224197 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317621051 562236 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html < Wow, now that I read the page behind it, it's actually quite interesting. < 1317621061 905437 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote we write an evolutionary algorithm. < 1317621263 551418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: YHWH literally demands the firstborn son of everyone. < 1317621268 91983 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as a dispensation, he allows you to sacrifice a valuable animal in lieu of the son. < 1317621293 488073 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me." — God. < 1317621369 191048 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thou shalt not make up God quotes." - God. < 1317621394 151291 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is from Uncyclopedia) < 1317621399 123494 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My quote was Exodus 22:29. < 1317621464 475717 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you. < 1317621487 464977 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God exists! http://god.rubyforge.org < 1317621623 205893 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION instant gigglefest
< 1317622309 682138 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317622549 19531 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de NICK :{][3473|^ < 1317623033 113801 :Sgeo|fsck_web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 NICK :AW346126 < 1317623059 884488 :AW346126!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely hopes that {][3473|^ isn't a password
< 1317623075 718885 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1317623086 768027 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shi- < 1317623130 936126 :AW346126!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is almost tempted to see if it's a nickserv pass
< 1317623145 74202 :AW346126!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 NICK :cheater < 1317623153 431019 :cheater!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1317623189 228801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is, i hope you have already changed it < 1317623190 632865 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317623192 772427 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1317623195 188341 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels like an idiot
< 1317623228 223678 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-150.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, Nickserv. < 1317623254 510002 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else want to try guessing the password?.. < 1317623285 551877 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even put it in yet < 1317623297 304081 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the protection is proactive < 1317623315 665054 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I think everyone here knows how ghost works < 1317623339 347797 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the protection uses the time comonad to affect events in the past!!!! < 1317623364 46810 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1317623364 298948 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just say "Hah, fooled you!" and move on with your life? < 1317623381 875114 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fooled you :p < 1317623395 632996 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i thought it was obvious i'm only kidding :D < 1317623410 629823 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little tired right now < 1317623419 391676 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :been up all night? < 1317623430 607825 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 2:30 AM, and I have homework to do, then have to wake up at 7 < 1317623431 144446 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's still night there < 1317623436 144767 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION woke up at 5 though
< 1317623451 94779 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest skipping homework? < 1317623456 599909 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about no < 1317623460 612373 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it more important than your health < 1317623466 330546 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: have you seen latest Doctor Who? < 1317623472 173732 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: yes < 1317623527 563540 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1317623561 528632 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1317624649 296153 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's no longer enough to procrastinate stuff to tomorrow, apparently there's a word (perendinate) for delaying something until the day after tomorrow < 1317624687 45899 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have an alternate meaning of simply to procrastinate but for a longer time < 1317624798 896344 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :o nice < 1317624807 587927 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perendinate, i like that < 1317624864 18738 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1317625022 776632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1317625354 663917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up some kind of Bingo game where you have some control over the balls. < 1317625499 474252 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you control them? < 1317625540 253141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The balls are on a pinball table with holes and you can control them by nudging the table. < 1317625557 574758 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you used the normal bingo drum < 1317625565 814588 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but balls of different sizes or weights? < 1317625586 242363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game doesn't use the normal bingo drum. But I suppose you can make up that game too < 1317625614 82287 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much too direct with being able to nudge the table imo < 1317625884 997367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you play any pinball game? < 1317626062 114830 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1317626063 302514 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1317626084 249069 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I just wanted to know. Which one? < 1317626099 140147 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :last thing i played was epic pinball < 1317626136 624649 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you play any flipperless pinball games? < 1317626161 484689 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how you define that < 1317626165 339477 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317626167 605619 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have < 1317626171 104623 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1317626192 703495 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember they were somewhat tough to get the most desirable places < 1317626278 583424 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which flipperless pinball games have you played? < 1317626450 137668 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :toy games < 1317626458 686084 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller than a post card < 1317626482 306038 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played computer flipperless pinball game. < 1317626487 201063 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they consisted of a flat plastic surface and another flat acrylic plastic surface right in front of it < 1317626499 795716 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had "holes" where the ball could go < 1317626508 909709 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were more like platforms on which the ball would stop when falling down < 1317626538 328719 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had like 5 balls, and each platform had a score < 1317626548 643247 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to maximize the score < 1317626559 308487 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ball was tiny, maybe 2-3 mm across < 1317626559 901159 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the game JiggleBox and GooGooDaDa. In the game JiggleBox, there are bumpers and drop targets, as well as holes. Two holes are 50 points, two holes are 100 points, one hole is 0 points, and two holes immediately end the game. < 1317626572 214168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have played those kind of games too. < 1317626644 707071 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :having 5 balls prevents cheating < 1317626666 465135 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you try to nudge or bump the game then the balls that are in place already would fall out < 1317626787 379400 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand that. But if the table is standing on the ground and there are holes, as well as a plunger, an otherwise game similar to that, is what is called a bagatelle pinball game. Nudging is permitted although you cannot pick up the table. < 1317626850 13874 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fef6.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317626896 210536 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317627281 99410 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we figured out these algorithmic symphonies yet? < 1317627562 368058 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is writing a little evolver for them :V
< 1317627797 565425 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well do you know of music theory? < 1317628082 402228 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean these http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html < 1317628529 411350 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1317628767 553449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did once also think of a pool ball game where the mass of each ball corresponds to its number, such as the number 3 ball has 3x mass of the number 1 ball. < 1317628889 467711 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be entertaining < 1317628939 91782 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the rules for the 8 and 15 ball be swapped? < 1317628966 877288 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's the cue ball? < 1317629050 245307 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :massless, obviously < 1317629369 277808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317629376 848440 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people like the transitive property for equality too much < 1317629448 774321 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like meat too much < 1317629530 49849 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you get rid of it, you might not actually have problems with 0/0. Totally worth it. < 1317629593 808406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1317629632 126696 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1317629643 864173 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to wake up in ~3 hours for a long day of school < 1317629645 825215 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a dolt
< 1317629656 577431 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my game had a plunger too < 1317629732 86751 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a symbol for "contains the same information as expressed"? < 1317629742 283359 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1317629749 175619 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :define that phrase < 1317629749 918589 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that 5+5 =?= 5+5 but not =?= 10 < 1317629758 338469 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1317629769 923590 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's called = < 1317629779 109002 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he means < 1317629782 391760 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying 10 is different from saying 5+5 < 1317629793 183517 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the level of symbolic computation theory 5+5 = 5+5 but 5+5 == 10 < 1317629802 781359 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317629808 361615 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :horribly overloaded tho < 1317629809 361105 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the == is the congruence symbol with three lines < 1317629813 458827 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1317629819 849103 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to study maths a bit < 1317629833 303371 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric := means shitloads of different, often opposite, things < 1317629842 172821 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you agree that it's horribly overloaded < 1317629846 847881 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1317629850 446838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317629852 135058 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that it is normal < 1317630191 322098 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : val e: Expr = t*5&(t>>7)|t*3&(t*4>>10) < yay for implicit conversions! < 1317630271 7330 :ive!~nn@189.179.248.38 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1317630595 757892 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :know what would be an interesting savant power? < 1317630602 129858 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to look at one of those lines of code and know what it'll sound like. < 1317630611 609721 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely someone somewhere in the world can do this < 1317630643 34289 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: how is it implicitly converted? < 1317630652 248714 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no conversions there < 1317630663 542053 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala stuff. < 1317630668 933039 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like, "yay for operator overloading" < 1317630670 121150 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1317630678 426363 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicit def makeConstantValue(i: Int): Expr = ConstantValue(i) < this is mostly what I mean < 1317630693 94066 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand D: < 1317630694 573299 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats ok < 1317630756 555826 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{][3473|^: i think you might want to look at extensional vs. intensional equality < 1317630807 844259 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: extensionality is basic, so what? < 1317630813 659395 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1317630823 719350 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensional vs intensional is exactly what you're talking about < 1317630829 350029 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1317630832 641918 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5+5 ~ 5+5, but 5+5 /~ 10 < 1317630833 695787 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i look at it? < 1317630844 687280 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1317630852 534457 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked what it was called... < 1317630856 844426 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have? < 1317630859 807511 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he didn't < 1317630861 501650 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo did < 1317630866 709110 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry! < 1317630869 645917 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread the lines :D < 1317630872 898780 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: ^^^ < 1317630873 362123 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :beg for forgiveness < 1317630877 712655 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{][3473|^: make me < 1317630881 698813 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah :p < 1317630893 701783 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine < 1317630899 673746 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure && make augur < 1317630905 784834 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1317630917 185304 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1317630917 499051 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry that doesnt work on me < 1317630921 288164 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317630928 145211 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :python setup.py augur < 1317630931 930521 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1317630941 7444 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :debuild augur < 1317630941 993673 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1317630943 857948 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must work < 1317630951 537670 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1317630992 523845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317630994 999421 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ -O3 -Wall augur < 1317631012 369207 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyet! < 1317631033 43783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: "augur" has no extension there, so would be interpreted as a linker script, IIRC < 1317631038 379992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want a -x c++ in there somewhere < 1317631056 411530 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I didn't know that < 1317631061 331847 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god this is irc you should be trying the obvious bash reference < 1317631081 24618 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1317631081 912173 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash.org is replete with irc memes appropriate for every situation < 1317631085 851885 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :./augur < 1317631089 695433 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1317631100 400173 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're horrible < 1317631121 625272 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, I have it set up to generate an image from each pattern, as described in that article. < 1317631132 194391 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :madoka-kaname: you mean a waveform? or a spectrogram? < 1317631133 665452 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe try an xkcd meme! < 1317631147 108295 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for reminding me < 1317631149 449635 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clicks xkcd.com* < 1317631154 377980 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Dqm7wUdc_b4/TohqK5jRKJI/AAAAAAAAAH4/I6Uk8HH75q0/s320/tejeeztune.jpg < 1317631158 864483 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that. < 1317631159 290547 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, that classic black hat guy < 1317631161 770266 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots Of Laughs < 1317631174 461088 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. is that a spectrogram? < 1317631179 188921 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, no. < 1317631181 420384 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317631182 735306 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what it is < 1317631191 749312 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the output data interpreted as brightness values. < 1317631194 379961 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intensity over time except wrapping to a square < 1317631208 288775 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a useful tool to have on the site < 1317631212 910111 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :нет < 1317631213 914755 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you should be able to look over it and rule out the most obviously not-going-to-work ones. < 1317631222 301954 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's your music, also here's your timeline < 1317631239 99842 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317631243 56030 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont forget smbc, satw, and hipster hitler! < 1317631251 980444 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it going to know what width will make it line up as neat squares? < 1317631275 251087 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will you tell it what width to use < 1317631312 386162 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, it's hardcoded at 400x400 < 1317631337 207154 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the square root of 20*8000, i.e. 20 seconds of play < 1317631362 467032 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you making Madoka-Kaname < 1317631369 571594 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2386#comic < 1317631370 273961 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317631371 835455 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could rate the 'neatness' of a given width by going down columns and counting how many lines have low energy (deviate low amounts from pixel to pixel) < 1317631381 995932 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :low energy indicates same intensity lines lining up of course < 1317631419 344106 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses 512*512 < 1317631500 646528 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you making? < 1317631536 40377 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1317631536 285862 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname> It's the output data interpreted as brightness values. < 1317631537 862145 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1317631575 535625 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :output data of what < 1317631590 362519 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bemmu.com/music/index.html < 1317631593 818112 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen that line, it did not answer my question, so i brought it up < 1317631611 267637 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking < 1317631626 981209 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :uMM < 1317631629 569360 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm* < 1317631632 405356 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1317631638 697886 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This image has yellow parts. < 1317631640 98314 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to debug. < 1317631644 243580 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolll < 1317631755 450493 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of a cat to human translator? < 1317631756 980959 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that web page doesn't seem to work too well in firefox < 1317631758 385211 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cat is meowing at me again < 1317631767 396645 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you like this sort of stuff, i suggest you look into max msp < 1317632203 67536 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, think it'd be safe to reject a mutant if there's too much entropy? < 1317632227 708823 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clarify? < 1317632242 683291 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it looks like noise, reject it. < 1317632270 749970 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about how you're checking for noisiness to answer < 1317632290 301390 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of the ones you'll want to reject are hyper-repetitive or a pure tone < 1317632439 910604 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea for a test: zip it with your favourite compression algorithm. if it compresses below X kb reject it < 1317632449 957390 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it compresses above X kb reject it < 1317632484 191949 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized extensions are treated as object files to be fed directly to the linker, not necessarily linker scripts. < 1317632512 918909 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, foo.o will go through that rule. < 1317632621 17731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, estimate the Kolmogorov complexity. < 1317632650 236684 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is there a compression algorithm that does that? < 1317632666 22724 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know normally they're optimized for certain kinds of files, like images/sound/text/log files < 1317632677 333689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that the answer is either 'all of them' or 'none of them' depending on how you define it. < 1317632702 877517 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on how you define "estimate", too. < 1317632721 42536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was what I meant by 'it', really. < 1317632730 579329 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ANY compression scheme is Kolmogorov complexity, isn't it? Just with a different machine it's defined for < 1317632735 829856 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(correct me if I'm wrong) < 1317632736 211534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1317632740 174893 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1317632858 734659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317632901 25123 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((t * 5) & (t >> 7)) ^ ((t * 3) & ((t * 4) >> 12))) < Can somebody figure out a way to make this less... uh... < 1317632904 88032 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grindy-sounding. < 1317632929 158989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting what the link is. < 1317632931 30832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317632963 597640 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/ < 1317632990 580783 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can somebody modify this to generate the image version instead of the sound version? < 1317632995 354223 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: (((t * 5) & (t >> 7)) ^ ((t * 3) & ((t * 4) >> 12))) & 127 < 1317633000 535496 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically beheaded it but it sounds a bit nicer like this < 1317633006 821802 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p < 1317633032 997537 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have code to make the image version already? < 1317633040 588250 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1317633045 792326 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1317633054 867344 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have code, but it's in Scala, and no parser. < 1317633062 643273 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewrite it in javascript then < 1317633069 648544 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i54.tinypic.com/123oz9z.png < Can anything be done about that buildup? :I < 1317633087 960024 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, that looks cool < 1317633092 924390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What buildup? < 1317633114 299333 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1317633114 848054 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the top half. < 1317633119 40387 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should add some smaller periodic elements < 1317633120 875081 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to break the tones up < 1317633140 706601 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAK < 1317633146 296667 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The yellow image parts strikes again. < 1317633175 995638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/kxqy4/brainfuk_turing_machine_javascript/ < 1317633177 234161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1317633539 800331 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-26.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317633566 917313 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-150.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1317633590 827509 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((t * 5) & (t >> 7)) | (12 & ((t * 4) >> 15))) < This seems to be the.. eh... < 1317633594 249748 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basis of the thing? < 1317633648 634665 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the quickest possible canvas-imagefication: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/mimg/ < 1317633664 131091 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just fixed 256x256 block, and splunts them samples in. < 1317633696 436128 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't even alter the length of the generated sample to match w*h or anything. < 1317633774 85299 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :canvas element in html5 right? < 1317633775 68790 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*checks8 < 1317633834 71809 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317633836 694456 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it seems to be on a gradient from white-to-half-gray-to-white instead of black-to-white, which is a bit weird; if I glanced at magic.js right, generateSound() results will be 0..65535. < 1317633859 796711 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is. cool < 1317633884 742718 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe the sample program never generates 65535 < 1317633893 141941 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I was testing with "t". < 1317633895 554379 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which does. < 1317633914 363692 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317633924 45276 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was thinking. if you have a chess game with a piece which can make null moves. and your opponent has such a piece. i wonder if you can enter into a null-move break wherein the person who makes the next move is the first one to declare a move < 1317633925 506621 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrug
< 1317633954 96567 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: normally if both players pass in a row the game ends. whatever the game happens to be < 1317633967 192990 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1317633985 745020 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, one of the samples is the alpha channel. Heh, stupidity. Fixed now. < 1317633992 30673 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and repeating an earlier stage is either stalemate or a loss depending on the game < 1317634008 312920 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it looks quite similar to that image that was posted. < 1317634008 856715 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the chess laws would also say that is making the same move several times is not allowed after a certain number of times.. < 1317634014 731647 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t * (t>>11)) < Basic melody element? < 1317634017 207844 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would make for an interesting variation i think < 1317634025 92080 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fide chess has zugzwang < 1317634039 93588 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1317634041 698707 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zugzwang is different < 1317634042 384912 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugzwang < 1317634180 322437 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose formally each player, in a chess-variant game without zugzwang, would still have to declare "pass" or whatever.. < 1317634190 309605 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1317634199 236999 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like the idea of both passing resolving into a kind of gameshow buzzer situation < 1317634284 846282 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i get it < 1317634351 633398 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1317634371 113177 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm < 1317634405 855310 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interesting chess variant would be a first turn pass option < 1317634423 813408 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ever pass? < 1317634428 841741 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first person has t he advantage in chess < 1317634437 16205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317634444 614508 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc, it's quantified as being worth a bit less than a pawn) < 1317634501 775312 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. i can see that when passing enters the game, it messes with the whole concept of first person < 1317634533 239542 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it??? < 1317634536 946789 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eargh < 1317634548 817315 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no.. im just very confused.. :) < 1317634561 593732 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1317634565 83540 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because passing is a move < 1317634568 165156 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is recorded as your move < 1317636915 181712 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1317637016 161601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317637121 914941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317637371 376624 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, here's a cheating "oneliner" (if you can still count it that) to that music thing which comprises Klatt's old cascade formant synthesizer, slightly simplified (no aspiration in voicing, no nasalization) and with mostly random parameters; also it's with fixed parameter values so it's quite boring, but you could easily vary them: < 1317637373 254728 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :128+600*r5(r4(r3(r2(r1(rg((t%40)==0?1:0)))))); }; var r1=r(710,50),r2=r(1100,70),r3=r(2450,110),r4=r(3300,250),r5=r(3750,200),rg=r(0,500); function r(F,BW) { var Z=8000,B=2*Math.exp(-3.14*BW/Z)*cos(2*3.14*F/Z),C=-Math.exp(-2*3.14*BW/Z),p1=0,p2=0; return function(x) { var p=(1-B-C)*x+B*p1+C*p2; p2=p1; p1=p; return p; }; < 1317637405 726373 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cheats by defining a couple of closures with their own memory. < 1317638039 767332 :{][3473|^!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de NICK :cheater < 1317638111 276095 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using javascript like a useful language is cheating? < 1317638139 704231 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work for me < 1317638144 139486 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in this case; it's almost like code injection, since it normally does eval("var f = function (t) { return " + oneLiner + "}"); < 1317638144 350957 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says unexpected number < 1317638154 594816 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I miscopypasted it. < 1317638185 158801 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. E_WORKSFORME in this FF3.6 workstation. < 1317638209 976488 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION read EWOKSFORME
< 1317638220 135281 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ewoks for everyone. < 1317638269 35840 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: the problem with that is no one will pass, because slightly over half of won games are won for white < 1317638290 368101 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet, context? < 1317638304 587726 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sorry, you already said that to itidus < 1317638318 575534 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317638336 312894 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus: a good zugzwang is very rare in chess < 1317638386 214366 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why is chess a favourite topic of #esoteric? ... oh, right.) < 1317638428 522562 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1317638477 93930 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1317638478 139141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in the endgame < 1317638480 712775 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly itidus who brings it up < 1317638486 881096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where zugzwang is the only thing that wins several large classes of endings < 1317638518 448170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in king and pawn vs. king, the player at the disadvantage could just put their king on the pawn's promotion square in order to force a draw if they were allowed to pass < 1317638533 186777 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :king and pawn vs king is a win right? < 1317638564 227832 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that king and prawn < 1317638567 737930 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and started thinking < 1317638572 80426 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :prawn is ALWAYS a win < 1317638574 572280 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^ < 1317638583 62376 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gee, what sort of ESOTERIC kind of chess are they inventing now" < 1317638608 30140 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a unit called a crab < 1317638615 874538 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has half the movement of a knight; forward and wide or back and narrow < 1317638620 487174 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it count < 1317638625 804181 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317638629 308828 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, it has 4 out of 8 knight leaps available) < 1317638653 664831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: king and pawn vs king depends on the position, but is a win more commonly than a draw IIRC < 1317638660 857581 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so right right forward and back back right but not fight forward forward or back right right? < 1317638666 346054 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1317638668 359460 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it scuttles forward < 1317638671 272301 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scoots back < 1317638677 375165 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to a barc, which scoots forward and scuttles back < 1317638691 134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if both kings are in front of the pawn, and the king can't just capture the pawn, it's typically a win unless it's a rook pawn < 1317638693 15030 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1317638698 10739 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what chess is this used in < 1317638711 159394 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of ralph betza's variants < 1317638719 318201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except if the lone king is in opposition < 1317638723 983899 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is a rook pawn? < 1317638732 873191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: a pawn on a file on which a rook started < 1317638736 489819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a or h file < 1317638738 860694 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1317638742 155658 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :chessvariants.com is down < 1317638751 998741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, knight pawn, bishop pawn, king pawn, queen pawn < 1317638753 163692 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22ralph+betza%22+crab&oq=%22ralph+betza%22+crab&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2645l3372l0l3447l7l4l0l0l0l0l346l346l3-1l1l0 < 1317638773 421399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rook pawns are the most common endgame special-cases as they can only be attacked/defended from one side < 1317638783 90578 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a variant of chess where rook pawns move rookishly, bishop pawns move bishopishly and so on < 1317638787 817552 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a good functional language with managed memory and strict eval? < 1317638789 779229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: ouch! < 1317638801 689014 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an ML variant with managed memory? < 1317638809 935024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: "managed memory"? do you mean as in C++-style? < 1317638815 470943 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "no gc" < 1317638835 858820 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gc messes you up if you try to do realtime < 1317638837 29881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional languages tend not to work well un-GCed < 1317638838 695365 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even soft realtime < 1317638844 955475 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional with managed memory just seems contradictory < 1317638853 914336 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it does < 1317638859 947669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard enough to work out where the deallocations should go, offhand < 1317638877 202505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, conceptually a functional language always copies values < 1317638883 619788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you don't need a GC at all < 1317638895 562238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but conceptually, because values are immutable, copying references to the values is more common < 1317638915 501622 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish it were possible to write haskell without gc < 1317638917 95508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in pure functional languages, you can just use refcounting as a GC, if you wish (whether this is a good idea is another matter, but it's common) < 1317638977 640094 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1317638989 719394 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that if you need to create an application that reacts in a certain time to prevent buffer underruns then you don't want to work with a gc'd language < 1317639249 801635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, even deterministic memory management can have large pauses when a destructor is called < 1317639266 34474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you want to use static allocation for hard-realtime, and that sort of doesn't mesh with functional programming < 1317639292 32305 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but those pauses can be reasoned about < 1317639295 848421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I think ICA is deterministic memory allocation and functional (all memory is allocated statically, so it disallows things like infinite recursion) < 1317639331 540330 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can perform such big deallocators in a coroutine instead < 1317639374 874908 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun has that Real-Time Java thing, based on thar RTSJ, but I don't think it's very alive. < 1317639383 536594 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a better idea to write the core in C and run everything else in haskell or python or some stuff like that < 1317640876 169679 :Mamadex!~Mohammad@92.42.55.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317641187 756904 :Mamadex!~Mohammad@92.42.55.133 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1317641262 339498 :Mamadex!~Mohammad@92.42.55.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317641286 501756 :Mamadex!~Mohammad@92.42.55.133 PART :#esoteric < 1317643105 327092 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A6DA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317645308 432601 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317645656 237502 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1317645656 255496 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1317645656 255629 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1317645735 333786 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1317645933 35675 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1317647598 777537 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1317648041 345543 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317648067 736431 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1317648296 745115 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.110.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317648300 357903 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.110.37 QUIT :Changing host < 1317648300 375918 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1317648732 787490 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1317648744 951049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1317648749 303281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1317648753 932792 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1317648788 393973 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :) < 1317649504 508162 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317649516 215922 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317649524 408308 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 PART :#esoteric < 1317649593 160986 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] haskell or python or some stuff like that < 1317649594 275292 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1317649611 585632 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there some many things that are different about Python and Haskell < 1317649622 104132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I'm having a hard time discerning what the similarities are supposed to be < 1317649697 59144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't many < 1317649708 383968 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both use no braces < 1317649716 79958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both highish-level languages (Haskell being higher), and that's, umm, about it < 1317649725 824726 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :both have mpa < 1317649727 417430 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :map < 1317649737 66527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, they can both use indentation meaningfully (although in Haskell you can use braces instead) < 1317649737 552904 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and list comprehensions :D < 1317649756 839700 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: in python you can do "from future import braces" < 1317649776 63653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: that's just trolling < 1317649782 770755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it was added to annoy Perl users < 1317649783 240210 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1317649796 951763 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC uses linebreaks meaningfully < 1317649811 732762 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it? < 1317649826 851922 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is trolling? < 1317649828 84156 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not so much "meaningfully" < 1317649832 594517 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the python added that? < 1317649833 314510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: depends on the version, but most of the ones that take files as inputs use newline or colon as command separators < 1317649836 379437 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the python team < 1317649854 32266 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't actually add meaning to a basic program through newlines < 1317649880 362354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few old BASIC impls, their input wasn't really a text file < 1317649894 811770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a collection of numbered lines, with operations including inserting/deleting/replacing lines, and renumbering them < 1317649904 227414 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am one of these bastards who likes BASIC < 1317649928 333204 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make a language called ADVANCED < 1317649942 494441 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be esoteric if it was based on BASIC < 1317649953 304764 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where everything is an object on a calabi-yau manifold < 1317649961 75334 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317649962 11142 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you type everything in ALL CAPS < 1317649963 786050 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would < 1317649974 854616 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and line numbers are cayley octaves < 1317649979 568095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Forte < 1317649995 131166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the similarity to BASIC is intentional, as it helps highlight the ridiculous portion of the language < 1317650007 45857 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the ridiculous portion of the language? < 1317650016 762245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, IMO if you're going to do one thing weird and crazy, the rest of the language should be traditional and familiar in order to highlight it better < 1317650021 239952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: numbers can be assigned to < 1317650040 525179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go read the page, there are better examples there than could easily be expressed over IRC < 1317650068 28304 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317650074 150222 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1317650106 573850 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i only recently learned that turing machines and lambda calc actually preceeded electronic computers < 1317650111 37427 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a language where values adhere to E_8 logic < 1317650210 83162 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just naively assumed that imperative computation was the original < 1317650279 436787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative is not natural at all < 1317650314 71464 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most natural form of computation is proof < 1317650320 327988 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which computers are bad at expressing < 1317650323 102541 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true < 1317650331 75794 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most natural form of computation is selection < 1317650344 335272 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what have i started < 1317650405 164446 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.147.173.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< troll. < 1317650447 4544 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo-RZ27o3Uw < 1317650580 740741 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1317650798 735182 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1317651115 482820 :derrik!~xix@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: kthxbye < 1317651335 498678 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317651344 550634 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfucked! < 1317651548 123727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadhu: it happens. < 1317651599 726208 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: :P...brainfuck is really great! < 1317651699 815303 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I s'pose. < 1317651717 987610 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadhu: are you new to esoteric programming languages? < 1317651723 279801 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1317651729 298662 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your background here. < 1317651773 823900 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i am not new but i am also not very old < 1317651881 569289 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.57.127 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317652151 498653 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1317652465 832185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",'h'); < 1317652474 932420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, it must be 104 < 1317652479 61441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and EgoBot isn't here < 1317652585 538305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and t is, umm, 116 < 1317653636 697435 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317653704 991342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah at anagolf using ints not chars for a BF tape < 1317653714 530630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I can't clear cells reliably with [-] without knowing whether they're positive < 1317653738 850774 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1317653800 782852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if they're negative it'll loop forever, or long enough that it'll timeout < 1317654190 408250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317654230 528076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses inelegant solution of >>>>>> rather than [-]
< 1317654377 120692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :context is Anarchy Golf, btw < 1317654386 896168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just submitted the first BF solution to the ttp problem, it comes to 100 chars exactly < 1317654398 237139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather inelegant but quite short, and I can't think of an obvious way to beat it < 1317654434 496846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it even beats the best Java submission, although it's the second-most-verbose language < 1317654562 810108 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [>]? < 1317654589 774356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's >ing through zeros < 1317654610 586868 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317654808 149962 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem link? < 1317654844 965381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?ttp < 1317654853 942594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, change "ttp" to "http" at the starts of lines < 1317654879 383901 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317654895 595701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BF program I wrote is basically "at the start of a line, insert 'h' unless it starts with 'h'" < 1317654931 135768 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1317654938 433151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why nobody else submitted the m4 for that, it's beautifully simple < 1317654971 75259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define(ttp,http)include(/dev/fd/0) < 1317654988 318045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only works because there are no commas or quotes in the input (with commas in the input it becomes much, much harder, quotes can be worked around) < 1317655006 69703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, or m4 reserved words either < 1317655089 322472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can also be worked around, by undefining/renaming them (only "include" would need renaming) < 1317655116 556995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got a beautiful representation of 104 from the wiki < 1317655136 475487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twould be a lot shorter in a wrapping representation, though < 1317655421 490172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1317655427 839773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Considered self-modification? < 1317655428 119638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1317655439 756570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it working but it only did it for one line and then I pressed back and lost th ecode. < 1317655447 459292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/th e/the / < 1317655458 73639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anagolf's BF interpreter provides the code at negative locations.) < 1317655468 498489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Why not? < 1317655491 383268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh right, stack smashing < 1317655497 836652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't cheat like that < 1317655499 992561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it, err, isn't a bug < 1317655503 827499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an intentional feature of the implementation < 1317655513 296680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that anagolf calls it "brainfuck" incorrectly < 1317655516 928838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure? the source code of the impl is linked, and it looks like a stack-smash to me < 1317655522 243142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317655528 389124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for it
< 1317655536 454557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was hardly paying attention < 1317655549 622759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think we are using this C interpreter, but I'm not sure..." < 1317655552 386394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very reassuring < 1317655584 218275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, if it works with this implementation, it's a stack smash, but I'm not sure it is this implementation < 1317655592 953590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, neither is shinh < 1317655597 687262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you would have to do < close to 32768 times to get to the program < 1317655602 361046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :given < 1317655603 507065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : int x[32768]; < 1317655603 581435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : int p[32768]; < 1317655611 634920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which clearly isn't the case, or do people do [<]? < 1317655614 466242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem to go into an infinite loop with [-] on a negative number, so it's using an int-based (or maybe bignum) tape < 1317655614 964407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317655625 57287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not [<], probably an inverse that goes through zeroes < 1317655625 941830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the actual code to the system is open source, so I might as well check < 1317655654 249156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to guess whether the directory is be/ or fe/... < 1317655668 679171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's be/srv/s < 1317655675 49229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shinh, you golfed your filenames < 1317655691 376986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec /golf/local/bf $1 < 1317655693 773142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for goodness' sake < 1317655707 481322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it isn't that open :) < 1317655763 352568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it would be fun to write a program to produce shorter constants than the ones on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants, for large numbers < 1317655767 860153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they computer-generated already? < 1317655790 226995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari seemed to write them then oerjan seems to have tweaked them a lot < 1317656306 331987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I think we are using this C interpreter, but I'm not sure..." <-- C interpreter? < 1317656369 887841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed, many lines don't make sense if you tape over the context on your monitor. < 1317656406 192745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes I'm doing a scientific study on the effects of context. < 1317656914 728033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, that 104 on the esowiki is hard to understand < 1317656915 868356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 26 one < 1317656928 356525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're, umm, posting numbers, as digits < 1317656934 477291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know what they mean < 1317656943 236814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forte reference? < 1317656946 34926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainfuck_constants#100_97 < 1317656951 745353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, BF constants reference < 1317656958 240596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you commented on it :P < 1317656970 129850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out which parts of it touch the target cell itself
< 1317657311 929003 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317657374 256357 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1317657783 371917 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317658173 402083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome Ngevdmonqy < 1317658188 749420 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1317658363 927598 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1317658465 684389 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317658576 830240 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1317658682 683725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello!" --Ngevd < 1317658700 395516 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis what I oft say < 1317659225 291446 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317659249 965196 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1317659249 983092 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1317659249 983228 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1317660437 846465 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1317660529 341422 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had an idea < 1317660547 349146 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language with two outputs: < 1317660587 127838 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard output, and another output which is lazily interpreted as the programming language < 1317660661 832797 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thoughts? < 1317660686 390373 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not lazily < 1317660694 763692 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the opposite of lazy < 1317660720 674572 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as it has enough characters that can be interpreted the same regardless of subsequent characters, they are executed < 1317660767 416329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unuusal < 1317660768 931861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds cool < 1317660770 77969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusual* < 1317660773 906871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cool yes < 1317660780 21110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: that /is/ lazy, sort of < 1317660784 91994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: is this recursive btw? < 1317660786 827725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: anyway, obviously you need some programming language to start it off < 1317660793 509167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can start producing the programming language < 1317660794 340436 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not recursive, I don't think < 1317660807 519551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: hmm... /me mentally fleshes this out < 1317660814 680251 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the only way I can think of doing this is as... < 1317660817 212652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: the output which is interpreted as the programming language is the same language but without the output feature? < 1317660820 302185 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even going to mention it < 1317660825 966045 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes < 1317660833 912928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: as what? < 1317660835 499113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :python? < 1317660836 821446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :php? < 1317660839 170568 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse < 1317660846 905319 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brainfuck derivative < 1317660847 409331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Cobol? < 1317660848 921511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317660851 267379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1317660860 621195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: why < 1317660861 390900 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else take my idea and run < 1317660873 398922 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't think of anything else < 1317660877 46812 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind has gone blank < 1317660879 186721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any other language < 1317660890 487842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge wouldn't really work < 1317660896 249597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317660897 945947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: glass? < 1317660901 756566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking it < 1317660905 178244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, why not < 1317660912 745968 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know glass well enough to answer that < 1317660915 502794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any glass derivative < 1317660917 633444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any? < 1317660975 894851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: it is oop + postfix < 1317660983 39312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice language < 1317660994 695086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an esolang that is < 1317660999 647944 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add it to my list of ones to learn < 1317661014 110971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually coded in it < 1317661028 524739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like it's ideas < 1317661045 584026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass is kind of boring < 1317661059 969249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1317661069 293361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: malbolge derivative < 1317661073 418520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, hey, why not < 1317661152 204920 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you say you were taking the idea and running with it? < 1317661159 907560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1317661165 899036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least thinking about running with it < 1317661224 460856 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to get some dinner now, bye < 1317661227 708867 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317661309 465110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if a game with mostly constant background music goes silent (perhaps with environmental sounds still) it tends to mean boss fight coming up, almost always. No? < 1317661423 407136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. Or rising lava level about to happen and THEN boss fight. Unpleasant things anyway. < 1317661502 974859 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1317661559 30317 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may also mean "background music engine glitched out". < 1317661582 783538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well yes. But it faded out in a very meaningful way :P < 1317661595 167172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bbl < 1317661877 442187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317662909 604083 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317662912 339255 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1317662989 735213 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, has your running with my idea gotten anywhere yet? < 1317663035 856002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What idea? < 1317663057 872887 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've had an idea < 1317663058 184888 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : A programming language with two outputs: < 1317663058 239263 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Standard output, and another output which is lazily interpreted as the programming language < 1317663102 103616 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, not lazily < 1317663102 264764 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, the opposite of lazy < 1317663102 589567 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : As soon as it has enough characters that can be interpreted the same regardless of subsequent characters, they are executed < 1317663178 692607 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ngevd: that /is/ lazy, sort of < 1317663231 58133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I'm still thinking about it idly. < 1317663258 227709 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it would be turing-complete without conditional loops? < 1317663480 812615 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if it had a repeat n times loop and a repeat forever loop < 1317663530 275619 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly not even a repeat forever loop > 1317663702 939899 JOIN :#esoteric > 1317663828 50712 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317663839 912508 :glogbot!~glogbot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317664113 905387 :glogbot!~glogbot@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1317664119 947454 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317664134 973382 :glogbot!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317664135 44292 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1317664222 197395 :MichaelBurge_!~quassel@75-175-85-198.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1317664295 187392 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-85-198.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317664649 267256 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fef6.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1317664679 689772 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written up an idea for this language < 1317664723 343299 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll call it Brook < 1317664821 569662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1317664828 308165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea: stolen back to its owner < 1317664843 319950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What does one do when one has the urge to write a Haskell compiler? < 1317664843 441457 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to continue < 1317664852 638232 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours would probably be better < 1317664872 888237 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the infinite list language, not the Haskell compiler < 1317664881 38435 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know about the Haskell compiler < 1317664910 889239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317665018 128518 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317665069 771705 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea < 1317665069 848630 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We both write a spec < 1317665069 979332 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And upload it at the same time < 1317665193 253192 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you from? < 1317665199 856623 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1317665221 398814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1317665223 562244 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1317665228 889095 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am from the REALM OF THE INTERNET < 1317665233 823571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka hexham < 1317665235 820266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what's a good letter < 1317665252 138117 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE THE BORDER PEOPLE CONFUSE WITH HELL < 1317665314 638949 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You? < 1317665319 949544 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this channel is about magic or something < 1317665327 559005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geronim1: So does everyone. < 1317665331 862162 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1317665334 353636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geronim1: freenode is not really about that sort of stuff. < 1317665338 970991 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me is from good old germany < 1317665350 52525 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317665358 321754 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But try ' < 1317665360 595394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't really know where to send you guys. < 1317665361 822584 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#magic < 1317665362 159597 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try java but i fail < 1317665369 328452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You have been kicked from #magic by ChanServ (Invite only channel) < 1317665370 15442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude < 1317665379 859128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geronim1: try haskell :-P < 1317665402 495339 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty good language < 1317665407 931486 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost nothing like Java < 1317665475 676791 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like sun computers because they are so stable < 1317665509 101716 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is something you might find interressting < 1317665512 85696 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in... you use Solaris? < 1317665522 127478 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and like it < 1317665536 693714 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never tried it < 1317665554 989123 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like windows < 1317665562 782416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris just uses GNOME these days, man. < 1317665597 518941 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has java desktop environment < 1317665606 619819 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another < 1317665616 146770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"java desktop system" is just codename for "GNOME with our programs". < 1317665617 911551 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but has although gnome < 1317665624 614937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, it doesn't even use Java. < 1317665627 728539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris_Desktop < 1317665634 958091 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1317665635 30609 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do most OSs < 1317665635 30810 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not by default < 1317665635 30936 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, I thought you said developement < 1317665635 31050 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind < 1317665641 86117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not even called Java Desktop System nowadays... < 1317665660 94087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geronim1: heh, you must be using a version from 2005... < 1317665672 86962 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel destroys all who come to it < 1317665685 869416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily. < 1317665687 905312 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1317665701 709079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1317665704 186103 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It destroyed my concept of online anonymity < 1317665723 196918 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is interressting < 1317665730 643754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy won't even give me a letter. :'( < 1317665749 181294 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Phantom_Hoover figured out where I live and my full name on my first day here < 1317665772 109047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was your second or third; be fair. < 1317665837 246895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, you did tell him it was in Northumberland. < 1317665847 390637 :Geronim1!~root@82.113.98.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in 2h < 1317665849 628922 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't narrow it down much! < 1317665851 656493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Gimme a letter. A good letter. < 1317665853 798146 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does < 1317665859 586454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uppercase xi. < 1317665863 230752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: It does from "anywhere", which is what we would have with e.g. a cloak. < 1317665867 340758 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could be in Ashington! or Berwick! < 1317665867 881256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: An English letter. < 1317665877 81538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm. Q. < 1317665880 460189 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even Lowgate! < 1317665887 654582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You share my love of Q. :') < 1317665898 324751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sorry bro, QHC already exists. < 1317665900 429654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick again. < 1317665913 996026 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L < 1317665922 238244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHC is taken. < 1317665935 239869 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By a pipe in France. < 1317665938 332117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1317665993 297416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHC is kinda ugly. < 1317665999 162274 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z? < 1317666089 899927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little nicer, though still not very aesthetically pleasing. (ÆHC? :p) < 1317666132 546029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to do that, make it XiHC. < 1317666144 245946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, I just watch a video of Skyrim. Those graphics look damn good. And of course the usual TES "That background is not just background actually". Still over a month left... < 1317666153 228189 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :�HC < 1317666172 311227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But dude Ξ is only nice in serif. < 1317666206 609322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, FORCE IT TO BE SERIF < 1317666225 148064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHC? Nah. < 1317666254 123165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THC? Tempting, but I think it's taken, and also the reason it's amusing is also the reason everyone will think I'm a pothead if I use it. < 1317666259 276564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UHC? Taken. < 1317666271 885618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only C had a backwards version so I could have a symmetrical name. < 1317666288 533632 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ɔ < 1317666303 706083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ƆHC. Yeees. < 1317666307 528174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite symmetrical here. :p < 1317666320 10293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost here < 1317666322 282835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rotationally symmetric. < 1317666327 355226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be perfect, hard to tell < 1317666335 172605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean Ɔ isn't quite right here. < 1317666342 339050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it's being substituted from another font. < 1317666355 998354 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a backwards C, it's an open O < 1317666361 275801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it looks great here. Could be one or two pixels off, presumably due to front smoothing < 1317666396 182172 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is the thing you are naming? < 1317666424 510516 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɁHC < 1317666451 842535 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽HC < 1317666460 682477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have this horrible temptation to write a Haskell compiler, so... < 1317666472 376448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can only end in tragedy. < 1317666492 822210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch < 1317666499 245309 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℌHC < 1317666505 976730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: But seriously, no Unicode. < 1317666506 878583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHIHC < 1317666517 701289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[102581.454289] max memory size is 0x7fffffff (addr = 0xffff8802c8201000)!! < 1317666517 934319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[102581.454295] emu: failure page = 32 < 1317666520 267707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1317666527 213088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound stopped working and I got that < 1317666546 900393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a driver problem. < 1317666570 868883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah probably. It is emu10k1 though < 1317666586 170557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reloading the module worked < 1317666588 640634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC... oh wait. < 1317666599 180023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: EHC? < 1317666599 252447 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :�HC < 1317666608 507342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's, like, almost Elliottcraft. :p < 1317666634 44876 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC is the Glasgow Haskell Compiler < 1317666637 407424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i had some problems with that in recent kernels and/or after my mobo upgrade. Impossible to tell witch either. Can't downgrade, computer not supported pre 2.6.29 < 1317666642 518865 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it the Hexham Haskell Compiler < 1317666649 384968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is elliott haskell compiler < 1317666658 20528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yees but I'm not sure I like it. < 1317666671 435777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: HHC is kind of ugly, don'tchathink? NHC would be nice but is taken. (i.e. Northumberland) < 1317666698 452114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, it was just a suggestion. You are of course free to chose another name should you prefer to. However should you like it you can use it. < 1317666702 15339 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretend to be in Lowgate; LHC < 1317666736 204660 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWHC < 1317666747 621777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why .HC? < 1317666749 823522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Poor imitation. < 1317666753 60251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you go for a different form? < 1317666755 77065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because it's the Standard. < 1317666759 735751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have it lowercase though. < 1317666762 99993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: LHC is taken. < 1317666764 602814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes I missed the grammar errors of zzo :P < 1317666774 291839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317666781 609318 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saint Wilfrid Haskell Compiler < 1317666790 224141 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After Hexham's founder < 1317666810 916517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: EHHC? For your initials < 1317666817 895017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh. < 1317666839 225675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or why not ƆHC, sure it might not look good in all fonts, but you can make it look nice in the pre-rendered logo < 1317666847 205717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a valid module name. < 1317666851 802702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to my knowledge. < 1317666854 432914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1317666862 652885 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What character sets are we limited to? < 1317666875 836778 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I would like to point everyone to ISO 3001 < 1317666876 968198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: write it in erlang, I'm pretty sure that is valid in an erlang atom. Though it might need quoting < 1317666892 420729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh seems like it isn't < 1317666895 294677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1317666916 371820 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*3103 < 1317666920 408858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second... < 1317666943 646736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :'µHC' valid, but 'ƆHC' is not? < 1317666968 773209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :←HC is invalid too < 1317666968 881125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not just a paste issue < 1317666969 396632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said µHC was valid? < 1317666976 466575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I meant as erlang atoms < 1317666978 435383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I'd prefer an English letter. < 1317666985 113377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand how it work wrt unicode atm < 1317666987 112844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe Ɔ is capital. < 1317666995 316106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it might even be a valid Haskell module name but seriously no. < 1317666998 167546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can use that, I quoted it with '' after all < 1317667007 790077 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ɔ is capital < 1317667015 522441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't affect it since quoted < 1317667025 515708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could be related to pre-unicode erlang < 1317667040 155390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a few remaints of that in there < 1317667060 344901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway do you realize how much work writing a haskell compiler is? < 1317667067 320712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as in really? < 1317667108 429345 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɔ is the lower case form < 1317667110 604458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I estimate I know more than you about how much work it is. < 1317667121 365504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right < 1317667133 41531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why it's a horrible urge, but really it's not /that/ hard. < 1317667180 835248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure, writing a fully conforming C++ implementation is probably more work. < 1317667188 239072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do that next < 1317667201 433401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: even with that weird extern template thingy < 1317667261 709134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh wait, not what I meant < 1317667393 607872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should try out Morrowind hm < 1317667707 233190 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EHH� < 1317667731 561160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317667797 885192 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, bitbucket added Git support. < 1317667805 367640 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If github adds hg support, I think I'll switch. < 1317667879 514967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: github advertises hg support, at least. < 1317667887 907944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They say that hg-git or whatever it is is good enough that it works seamlessly. < 1317667893 561238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how true that is. < 1317667910 356636 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1317667913 343930 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not the same. < 1317667916 238169 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to punish git users. < 1317667921 323701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But seriously, does anyone actually think Bitbucket's interface is better than GitHub's?) < 1317667928 519188 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it sucks. github rules. < 1317667946 98102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as good as scapegoat's distributed web interface system ;-) < 1317667956 556324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A big advantage for Bitbucket users is the ability to have unlimited private repositories for free. This means you can store every line of code you’ve ever written in one place without paying a cent." < 1317667965 715868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, free unlimited hosting!!! < 1317668973 955577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does github limit your repo count? < 1317668984 54669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, how weird < 1317668999 530064 :sdsdfsdf!~kaus@117.201.49.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317669001 832344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does private mean no one else can see it < 1317669030 851560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I want svkgit just becase < 1317669077 142757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: does github limit your repo count? < 1317669082 841346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's based on total filesize or something. < 1317669086 289466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have a private repo unless you pay. < 1317669086 362169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1317669090 354623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317669090 427292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello sdsdfsdf. < 1317669106 797782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you can upload public code freely? < 1317669284 391273 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but then someone can SEE it. < 1317669306 912742 :sdsdfsdf!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a private repo? < 1317669326 301004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1317669328 504497 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1317669336 581553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, GitHub is an exclusive pay-only club. < 1317669349 219818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317669352 396588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: XD < 1317669384 122712 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall some place having a "only 20 free public repositories" rule, but I may have dreamed that. < 1317669394 753656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317669430 60328 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought github had unlimited space/repos/forks for open source stuff, because that fits with my vague idea of github being cool < 1317669443 519136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 repos is not such a draconian limit. < 1317669449 343123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen people with more. Maybe they paid but I doubt it. < 1317669462 512253 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 is not bad; but I can't find out which place it was. < 1317669473 557263 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe it was an old limitation in one of the places. < 1317669475 201628 :sdsdfsdf!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gitorius? < 1317669485 410547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so's i don't have to dig through logs, what was this about: < elliott> calamari: lame, you can't compete with quintopia and me and Gregor's friend < 1317669506 296032 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I wish to know that too :P < 1317669549 873712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, my pull request got merged, but github didn't seem to notify me in any way whatsoever < 1317669573 721731 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: bitbucket has git support now! BAIL < 1317669574 144418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: havenworks < 1317669586 725675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He'd have to use Bitbucket then. < 1317669593 435399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317669594 717038 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhh hahahah (re havenworks) < 1317669621 78290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so calamari was websplatting and thought he could be a contender? < 1317669627 700338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, his kids. < 1317669630 834570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're n000000000000bs. < 1317669638 250032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to frag them with my leet websplat gun. < 1317669639 821408 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317669644 123557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahahahahaha < 1317669655 184512 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, I have watched homebrew which gets me too much spam to see anything else in my news feed < 1317669656 590606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw the "you're winner" tiling is broken < 1317669666 784615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the homebrew guys are JERKS :''''( < 1317669696 50459 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, it would be cool to have something a *bit* more prominent than having to manually check the news feed for pull requests that I've created myself < 1317669712 305109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's something I do about once per year otherwise < 1317669717 580894 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Err ... it's not tiled ... < 1317669772 853148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's meatn to be. < 1317669774 177053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant < 1317669775 881884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it used to be. < 1317669777 471210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't dealt with them in person, so I wouldn't know < 1317669777 543753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now it isn't. < 1317669778 549146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tile it. < 1317669791 874476 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, fairly certain it only was on a lark for like two minutes :P < 1317669800 391315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well that's dumb? Fix it, make it tile < 1317669808 696703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody wants a win message in a corner < 1317669812 334826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the world lit up with winning < 1317669834 314770 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I will whenif you implement ZALGO mode. < 1317669846 522617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, the ruby and NIH combo that homebrew is made of doesn't speak that well for the project as a whole ... its only feature is its bandwagon basically < 1317669847 119767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I sent them a pull request to add MLton, they rejected it because they wanted me to make it compile from source (despite it being a bootstrapped compiler and so this being literally busywork), I told them that it'd be busywork, they said "SHRUG, this is how we roll"; a few months later they accepted someone else's formula for MLton which ALSO DIDN'T COMPILE IT, but had an additional bug mine didn't. < 1317669851 814268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Therefore I hate them forever. < 1317669905 693934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck that. I just managed to mess up my postgre db on a update < 1317669918 10967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*restores from backup* < 1317669976 326651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the creation of homebrew: "lol macports, it's in TCL! I'll rewrite it from scratch in rooby and it'll be all better" < 1317669980 789639 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just fixed a Pidgin (well, libpurple) bug. I suppose I should report that stuff. But maybe it'll wait until tomorrow. < 1317670006 664014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\(p:s) (f:fs) -> toLower p : ps ++ toUpper f : fs) "" ["Qwerty", "asdfQ"] < 1317670007 281745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ps' < 1317670010 362373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\(p:ps) (f:fs) -> toLower p : ps ++ toUpper f : fs) "" ["Qwerty", "asdfQ"] < 1317670011 737877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: :3:7-56: Non-exhaustive patterns in lambda < 1317670015 69422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1317670039 160102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Amusingly there was actually something resembling a desire to move MacPorts to Ruby back in the day. < 1317670039 774526 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-146-193.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317670042 270928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, MacPorts is terrible. < 1317670069 82636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\(p:ps) (f:fs) -> toLower p : ps ++ toUpper f : fs) "augh" ["Qwerty", "asdfQ"] < 1317670070 368902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "qwertyAsdfQAugh" < 1317670133 761960 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317670136 285062 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't get what was so bad about MacPorts < 1317670181 692467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: have you ever used it? < 1317670202 286788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possibly the slowest thing ever, most of the ports were terrible, and variants rarely ever worked < 1317670233 18051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :re havenworks above. That page pretty much crashed my browser back then. < 1317670281 60666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had an awful computer. < 1317670402 540568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1317670417 897947 :sdsdfsdf!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you do? < 1317670418 457692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1317670426 945235 :sdsdfsdf!~kaus@117.201.49.97 NICK :sadhu < 1317670433 889027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadhu: In what sense? < 1317670444 779893 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, has your idle thinking got anywhere? < 1317670451 210208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Only Vaguely. < 1317670453 814562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/V/v/ < 1317670506 48483 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you a college student (becasue i am ;) < 1317670551 871272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: macports didn't seem to have much of a community fixing and updating ports, I'll give you that at least :) < 1317670560 981101 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably just forgotten about the other problems it had < 1317670561 690377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317670576 54814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I RETURN < 1317670580 96891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so what is a better alternative than macports for mac? < 1317670604 679753 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but afaict, they could've just put macports on github, added support for updating from git, renamed it to homebrew and called it a day < 1317670612 231818 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pidgin source-browser tag list, first entry: "ZERO_DOT_FUCKING_SIXTY" < 1317670618 416846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and skip all the rooby crap < 1317670623 626046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadhu: Nope. Too young for that shit. :p < 1317670635 53631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That wouldn't solve the other issues I mentioned < 1317670635 811480 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you go to school < 1317670636 989172 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1317670643 910182 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i go there! < 1317670650 822676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually a really advanced IRC bot. < 1317670652 889530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to disappoint. < 1317670666 586150 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: its nice to talk to you! < 1317670681 384375 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are quite an intelli-bot < 1317670682 457079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am good at my job (being an IRC bot). < 1317670687 207948 :tiffany352!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317670691 11506 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.49.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1317670715 879842 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think you have just completely turned the Turing test on its head < 1317670733 890196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it's OK with that. < 1317670747 24902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's your opinion on fellow bot tiffany352? < 1317670800 830431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't we all bots? < 1317670804 15792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is tiffany = tiffany352? A question for our age. < 1317670810 409702 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not < 1317670815 381360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: can you prove it? < 1317670831 324302 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if elliott isn't a bot < 1317670833 170452 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which he is < 1317670835 833294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am certainly a bot. < 1317670837 402430 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1317670837 930499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: so you can't then < 1317670843 455332 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I cannot prove whether I am a bot or not < 1317670846 451359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can you prove you aren't a human? < 1317670847 304153 :tiffany352!~tiffany@fl-76-3-21-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :tiffany < 1317670847 904236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is the only human around here. < 1317670848 244301 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there! there it is! < 1317670859 425400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh yeah true < 1317670860 225134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, see, fungot can testify for me. < 1317670860 565568 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that swor < 1317670863 158631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1317670863 547984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1317670866 400059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you fungot < 1317670866 613952 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: these unique items make us invincible! as if the king indirectly killed her... such a rock wall, 3 times! < 1317670982 493429 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We prefer patches generated using mtn diff --" gaaa, why does everyone have to use a different version control system? Why can't everyone just use scapeg^Wgit or something? < 1317670996 406177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wtf is mtn? < 1317671000 49108 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Monotone. < 1317671001 929711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1317671012 5158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good luck with THAT < 1317671027 827228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what project is it? < 1317671029 508641 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just had another idea for an esolang! < 1317671030 235065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow, Pidgin use Monotone? < 1317671033 119337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pidgin. < 1317671034 813355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317671040 68808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "We prefer patches that are the RightThingToDo." < 1317671043 232070 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polysyndaton < 1317671047 399628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is your change the rightthingtodo? < 1317671055 291872 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hyperstructured programming language < 1317671067 359661 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but I'll put it into a defect report, not a 'patch' ticket, so it doesn't have to be. < 1317671074 767519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: rightthingthatwillalreadyhavebeendone < 1317671078 379123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. < 1317671095 830915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "or (if you're not using Monotone) diff -u" < 1317671097 912540 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a database snapshot dump you can wget because otherwise the initial Monotone fetch would take so long. < 1317671098 18595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: See, it's not so bad. < 1317671106 733306 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I cut it for maximum efficiency. :p < 1317671116 586579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is monotone THAT bad? < 1317671124 651271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1317671127 764940 :sadhu!~kaus@117.201.49.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1317671133 721106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pidgin is a pretty big/old project. < 1317671141 836616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Last Modified by rlaager, 4 years ago" --pidgin wiki page "How to Submit a Patch" < 1317671148 869124 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Slowness is also it's main feature, I believe. Though maybe it's not so bad; I haven't used it. < 1317671158 230574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: initial fetch by dump shouldn't be considerably faster than initial download by checkout. < 1317671163 6473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1317671170 445252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ah, you want a perfect compression system. < 1317671176 746796 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1317671176 941582 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1317671177 13531 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1317671180 827835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sorry, but multiplication doesn't work that way, and rare is the project with only one revision. < 1317671182 917166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I said "considerably" < 1317671202 433238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: besides, why would a dump of the entire history be faster to download than checking out said history < 1317671203 749972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Multiplication is quite a quick-growing function. < 1317671207 373268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the same fucking data < 1317671210 965400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It isn't a dump of the entire history, you idiot. < 1317671217 16429 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1317671218 189922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be some portion of it. < 1317671221 42215 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dump contains all the old revisions, so it's as much data to move; it's just that "initial revision history retrieval is quite taxing on the server". < 1317671221 349919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: monotone use shallow checkouts? < 1317671229 806470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1317671229 887846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well... that's just stupid then. < 1317671248 114889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This is why VCSes should just use rsync. :p < 1317671269 875693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean like cvsup for git < 1317671282 483248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, their "fetch" operations should literally just use rsync. < 1317671288 782285 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mtn merge_into_dir is nearly useless for us, because of die-die-die merge semantics. For example, this is why libgnt cannot conveniently be maintained out-of-tree with an in-tree merge_into_dir copy" I don't even understand what they're talking about. < 1317671291 386806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sg's will. < 1317671295 348040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that requires reading locally all the history < 1317671300 816689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be several GB < 1317671308 544489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm pretty sure rsync is smart about that. < 1317671326 482599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I might use zsync instead, since it works over HTTP. < 1317671328 605700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it can use mtime, but then you don't want to bundle things up < 1317671338 922021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think zsync is one-file-only. :/ < 1317671340 628981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What? < 1317671343 275280 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1317671364 927901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I am saying that "sg fetch" will just do "rsync -z --blah --blah remote-repo/+scapegoat +scapegoat". < 1317671365 768386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as in you want to keep many files, not bundling things together in already existing files in the internal data format < 1317671373 976275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise rsync can't be smart < 1317671384 845782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm pretty sure rsync hashes /portions/ of the file < 1317671406 575430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but then it still needs to read those portions to check if the hash matches. Not everyone has a blazing fast SSD < 1317671432 511052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with separate files it can be reduced to a simple mtime check on the files < 1317671460 928286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317671465 378152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it'd work for git. < 1317671474 579266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd also work for sg with only minor modifications. < 1317671476 762268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know git's internal data format < 1317671486 369744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1317671488 10310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@katia:~/Code/mchost$ ls .git/objects < 1317671488 441744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0a 20 26 2b 4f 55 69 6d 7a 7e 80 8f 92 ab b5 c7 dd f2 pack < 1317671488 514031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0c 25 27 4c 51 58 6c 76 7b 7f 82 90 96 b0 be d2 de info < 1317671495 355121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, looks like it would work < 1317671497 444517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly "pack" contains packed stuff. < 1317671504 806157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mess this up yeah < 1317671557 820942 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was gone away < 1317671566 817778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway for a small project this is no major issue. But you want to keep reasonably sized files. Not too large, not too small, and not edit them once created if possible. < 1317671567 414508 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q is a good letter < 1317671583 4828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, with sg the fetch process looks something like: Get every known object hash from server; remove all hashes in current repository; send the remaining hashes to the server; get a compressed scapegoat database back; decompress, merge into +scapegoat. < 1317671584 864352 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most letters are good < 1317671586 528372 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madmin + elliott < 1317671595 831917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Merge as in dbmerge, not as in merge merge.) < 1317671599 627868 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + elliott < 1317671599 701986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1317671604 777968 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1317671608 570897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have used rsync on huge sets of small files, usually means a lot of seeking. For large file on the other hand it needs to read the whole locally and remotely if any part of it changed < 1317671610 329865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1317671622 878938 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1317671652 386321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is shachaf? < 1317671653 819711 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.
< 1317671656 508516 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Usage: sg group [[-c] command]" hey I must have scapegoat already installed, it's not saying "invalid command". < 1317671680 255264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : sg - execute command as different group ID < 1317671681 489915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1317671684 506149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would collide < 1317671701 548341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of shadow too < 1317671707 727090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah elliott will have to rename < 1317671728 669209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :should break the news to him once he reconnects < 1317671734 83883 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goatscape < 1317671742 691237 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that ghostscript < 1317671742 833061 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "gs" is much better. :p < 1317671747 628650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: XD < 1317671768 598366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: why would you have to explain the joke? It was obvious < 1317671783 905804 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke was that i explained the joke :| < 1317671785 255519 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scpgt", to name after bzr, mtn and such. < 1317671798 446702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not funny < 1317671810 629498 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i am bad at jokes < 1317671815 940366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgt? Might work < 1317671817 641595 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not cool, not funny, not a good comic. < 1317671827 648771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not found on ubuntu < 1317671828 875912 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No command 'sgt' found, did you mean: < 1317671828 987533 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Command 'skt' from package 'latex-sanskrit' (main) < 1317671829 60254 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Command 'mgt' from package 'mgt' (universe) < 1317671829 60436 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Command 'tgt' from package 'tcm' (universe) < 1317671829 60543 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Command 'stg' from package 'stgit' (universe) < 1317671829 943810 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Command 'st' from package 'swift' (universe) < 1317671831 926522 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Command 'st' from package 'suckless-tools' (universe) < 1317671832 41796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: faster to type < 1317671833 912385 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Command 'sg' from package 'login' (main) < 1317671838 807336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I beat you to that < 1317671885 493463 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, by an infinite margin; I wasn't going to suggest it at all. < 1317671939 358622 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"skt" seems to be some sort of "pre-processor for typesetting Sanskrit from both Devanagari and transliterated Roman scripts". Quite obscure. < 1317672021 764892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1317672025 458128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost connection. < 1317672031 679491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We're well aware of the other sg tool. < 1317672081 439496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fizzie is apparently sje46. < 1317672145 893543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, the solution wrt sg is to have Scapegoat act as sg with appropriate arguments. :p < 1317672147 591604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you need to rename it. Since you will collide on virtually every linux system < 1317672163 562834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: things like debian would rename it. Simple as that < 1317672166 583914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ways to handle collisions that don't involve terrible command names. < 1317672176 85695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sgt is okay < 1317672183 743920 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the "sergeant" tool. < 1317672192 404624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ScapeGoaT < 1317672194 834870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your ridiculous "IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE THAT YOU RENAME IT I GIVE YOU NO CHOICE" attitude to it is annoying. < 1317672210 688922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've already enumerated all the other command names in existence that have some of the letters from "scapegoat" in them. < 1317672224 208143 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pego < 1317672232 918488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Pego. The best VCS. < 1317672240 561285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scopegate. < 1317672257 838392 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Peggle < 1317672260 997106 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a VCS right < 1317672295 512944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was into PopCap before they were cool. < 1317672314 628891 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian would not only rename the binary, it would rename it in some horrible way; that's What They Do. Probably to "scapegoat_sg" or something. (I can't recall what they renamed, but it was something.) < 1317672328 969662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "ack" to "ack-grep". < 1317672331 559366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll become sg-git. < 1317672340 97375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there an ML variant with managed memory? <-- there is at least one iirc with something called region inference, but it doesn't work to replace all gc cases < 1317672411 175120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway, the solution is to have sg print "Please add `alias sg=sg-git` to your shell profile." on startup whenever there's no such alias. :p < 1317672444 59346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sometimes a value's lifetime simply _is_ unpredicable < 1317672446 941215 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're going to *ask*. How polite. < 1317672459 377239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, scapegoat! < 1317672469 371965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, how observant. < 1317672476 489746 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-200-118-137.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting < 1317672481 256585 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spacegoat. < 1317672556 702258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use of higher order functions easily makes tracing a value into a spaghetti affair, i think < 1317672566 602081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how is it getting on. < 1317672576 446266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've been too busy working on mchost. < 1317672588 768232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But scapegoat will help the world! < 1317672601 788571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So will mchost. :p < 1317672609 105068 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spacegoat is the network-operations-optimized-for-latency-of-minutes-or-hours-due-to-light-speed-limits variant of scapegoat, to be used when you need to check out some code from the Mars colony. < 1317672612 66099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very much! < 1317672630 628466 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure we'll have established a Mars colony by the time scapegoat rolls out.) < 1317672646 207342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You like pyralspite, don't you? < 1317672667 576867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but scapegoat appeals to mankind's DEEPER NATURE < 1317672684 52102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Phantom "What is a VCS how do they work" Hoover < 1317672732 431825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it appeals to the ancient question of what a VCS is and how one works. < 1317672757 421092 :kwertii!~kwertii@ip98-185-253-33.sb.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317672955 232697 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1317672999 694553 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: well yes. But it faded out in a very meaningful way :P <-- "The sign flicked off again, in a way which Arthur was not at all certain he liked. It flicked off with a sort of contemptuous flourish. Arthur then tried to assure himself that this was just a ridiculous trick of his imagination. A neon sign is either on or off, depending on whether it has electricity running through it or not. There was no way, he told himself, that it could possibl < 1317672999 806414 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y effect the transition from one state to the other with a contemptuous flourish." < 1317673129 655746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie must have an alias to grep HtwoGtwo. < 1317673156 673862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he has a FUSE filesystem at the end of his PATH that contains all possible file names as a shell script which greps HtwoGtwo for them. < 1317673159 141321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(selves) < 1317673167 446121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he just types a query at the command-line in quotes and it's grepped for him. < 1317673168 645249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Efficiency. < 1317673308 145777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for the HHGT quote < 1317673317 574890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHGTG* < 1317673318 84816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHGT. < 1317673322 945099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: missed a key < 1317673333 173246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitchhiker's Guide Tothegalaxy. < 1317673613 259159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Spacegoat is the network-operations-optimized-for-latency-of-minutes-or-hours-due-to-light-speed-limits variant of scapegoat, to be used when you need to check out some code from the Mars colony. (I'm pretty sure we'll have established a Mars colony by the time scapegoat rolls out.) < 1317673615 324185 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :699) Spacegoat is the network-operations-optimized-for-latency-of-minutes-or-hours-due-to-light-speed-limits variant of scapegoat, to be used when you need to check out some code from the Mars colony. (I'm pretty sure we'll have established a Mars colony by the time scapegoat rolls out.) < 1317673712 107226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Incidentally, an sg fetch should only require two round-trips. < 1317673714 640624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or three, not sure how you cound. < 1317673716 157903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :count. < 1317673722 235641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server to client, client to server, server to client. < 1317673749 54867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could cut that down to "client to server, server to client", but I suspect it'd be a loss in non-Mars situations, since download > upload usually. < 1317673776 507047 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40744.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317673985 902682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : how about a language where values adhere to E_8 logic <-- now i'm wondering if this logic is related to the lie group or not < 1317674006 225667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you started with mentioning manifolds and stuff < 1317674066 440232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't E8 the one that ~surfer dude~ supposedly ~made the Unified Theory~ with for about three days before someone debunked it? < 1317674085 309610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1317674090 867793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317674114 554302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course cheater may have made up the logic version, at least i cannot find it :P < 1317674184 954481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be immensely surprising if _someone_ had found a way to define a logic from a lie group, though < 1317674341 425893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw name my function: f ellipsis n s = if length s > n then take (n - length ellipsis) s ++ ellipsis else s (except implemented much more efficiently) < 1317674367 322319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i've tried e-8 + logic, modal logic, paraconsistent logic and topos and neither gave anything obvious < 1317674409 959093 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on `more' < 1317674413 12273 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1317674413 835644 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :input < 1317674415 475869 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`more' < 1317674417 467676 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: more': not found < 1317674422 933289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: monqy....... < 1317674424 157200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking! < 1317674451 974177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a < 1317674453 657013 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double joke < 1317674461 872874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan....... name........it...... < 1317674472 412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly any truly perfect language would allow "(except implemented much more efficiently)" as a pragma, though < 1317674497 134848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why > n rather than >= n < 1317674522 209636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because if it fits into the length there's no need to ellipsise it? < 1317674529 723505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1317674534 655141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it may be wrong anyway < 1317674536 451485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said < 1317674539 525269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my real implementation < 1317674552 656798 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellipsisise < 1317674557 998312 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good name < 1317674558 836289 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1317674563 793433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i messed that up too < 1317674564 14502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1317674564 537353 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1317674572 297673 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellipsise < 1317674572 864630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides it can take non-ellipses too in theory :P < 1317674573 683297 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name < 1317674589 125032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellipse is a verb, of course. < 1317674595 875377 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but naming based on specific cases is great!!! < 1317674597 748820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which fits perfectly here. < 1317674635 45540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wn ellipse < 1317674637 249015 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wn: not found < 1317674644 813026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define%3Aellipse#hl=en&q=ellipse&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=lx6KTr2vLcmZ8QO9l_RG&ved=0CDEQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=d644b56267fbe23f&biw=1440&bih=764 < 1317674646 527453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no verb < 1317674656 862864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S BECAUSE I MADE IT UP < 1317674667 934985 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellipse(verb) "..." "really long thing gosh" 5 -- nice and small < 1317674670 55969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you poor english who cannot make up new words at a whim < 1317674670 579938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1317674673 22237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are bad < 1317674674 933235 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1317674675 793956 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1317674681 652478 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was going to switch the 5 and long thing gosh < 1317674681 965958 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1317674682 77393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you say ellipsis in norweigwegna < 1317674683 817694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgoot < 1317674690 12777 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i messed it up againnnnnnnnn < 1317674692 266686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1317674693 152040 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing self < 1317674717 776504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellipse, usually < 1317674762 621576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :'( < 1317674786 366129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION confirms with no.wikipedia.org that it's actually used for typography
< 1317674850 298856 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the Magic Carpet game (like Descent, and quite a few other games) supported the Forte VFX-1 "virtual reality" helmet, and maybe some others too. It's like the future was already here (in all its headache-inducing flickery glory) in the mid-1990s, and then it just... went away. < 1317674889 728748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [...] It's like the future was already here (in all its headache-inducing flickery glory) in the mid-1990s, and then it just... went away. < 1317674892 10065 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :700) [...] It's like the future was already here (in all its headache-inducing flickery glory) in the mid-1990s, and then it just... went away. < 1317674969 718409 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mindflux.com.au/products/iis/vfx1.html <- just look at that thing, it's so sy-fy. < 1317675008 618584 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1317675044 144986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it as REAL as the Virtual Boy? < 1317675044 145220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still hold out hope for true VR one day. ONE DAY. < 1317675079 669011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "procrustean", yw < 1317675079 669229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: waht < 1317675079 669478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your function name < 1317675115 194268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future has zeerusted < 1317675115 194372 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So 'ellipsis' in Norwegian is called 'procrustean'? I didn't expect that! < 1317675115 194418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: waht < 1317675115 194495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zeerust < 1317675115 194537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log procrustean > 1317675156 800692 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317675156 881977 :glogbot!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317675174 894313 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a stolen name. < 1317675178 457448 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mindflux.com.au/products/iis/cyber.html oh my < 1317675188 842802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, iirc from tvtropes, one of the "meaning of liff" words < 1317675198 465043 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YRC. "Gets its name and definition from The Meaning Of Liff by Douglas Adams and John Lloyd, a book of neologisms* concocted by the two." < 1317675211 238787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YRC? < 1317675215 531533 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Recall Correctly. < 1317675224 430587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how yrcsome < 1317675231 640279 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, would "YYD" have been more intuitive? < 1317675233 226291 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is contrafunctors, but is there such thing as contramonads? < 1317675235 955637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is this site the slowest for you < 1317675237 599073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no < 1317675248 360889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are comonads < 1317675259 869536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are comonads, but are there contramonads? < 1317675268 580521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1317675284 55558 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a monad and comonads are functors, so I mean contramonads, like monads by contrafunctors instead of functors < 1317675322 823051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit weird, since the co- prefix on monad denodes a kind of dual, which the contra- prefix instead of co- on variant also does < 1317675326 525622 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have here the Finnish translations (if you can call them that) of The Meaning of Liff, and The Deeper Meaning of Liff. It's all redone in Finnish place names and different meanings. < 1317675392 758528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is zeerust in finnish, then < 1317675429 679068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finnish place names and different meanings" < 1317675433 267120 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but the dual is different. I read that, a dual of a functor is still a functor, but a contravariant functor is different (sometimes called a cofunctor, but it should be called contrafunctor). < 1317675435 51122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially a different book :P < 1317675471 152192 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall offhand if it has a zeerust equivalent, but I could try to check. < 1317675495 864965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh, chrome's image of a reddit page in my most visited sites thing < 1317675499 725032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has an orangered < 1317675524 112800 :ive!~nn@189.179.248.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317675534 541091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm well a monad is also a functor, what if you require it to be a contravariant one instead, with maybe other adjustments < 1317675568 598045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it's a known term, though < 1317675586 581941 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the functor part of a monad an endofunctor??? notE: i know nothing about category theory (but i want to know / how should i learn it /help) < 1317675602 774818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes, and so are all haskell Functors < 1317675603 183783 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that is what I am asking about. < 1317675611 263980 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1317675623 698839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(capitalization intended) < 1317675629 534016 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1317675640 612195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the same caps stuff when I remember < 1317675652 527259 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does zzo want < 1317675763 149653 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't find one from the concept index, but the concept index is rather arbitrary, so that's not saying much. < 1317675768 268921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Contrafunctor f where < 1317675768 436728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : contramap :: (b -> a) -> f a -> f b < 1317675768 517893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Contrafunctor f) => Contrapplicative f where < 1317675768 518058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : contrapure :: a -> f a < 1317675768 518167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : contraap :: f (b -> a) -> f a -> f b < 1317675780 470776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Contrapplicative f) => Contramonad f where < 1317675780 637956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : cojoin :: f (f a) -> f a < 1317675786 9384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/cojoin/contrajoin/ < 1317675797 341087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1317675799 134763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are those defined somewhere? < 1317675799 793652 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you made it up? < 1317675802 144823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think I read, all Haskell Functors are strong functors as well. < 1317675803 514307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i made them up < 1317675807 157787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from contrafunctor < 1317675809 654020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is relatively standard < 1317675821 162105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?t \m f -> ?cojoin (?contramap f m) < 1317675821 246568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell thank you thanks thx ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete topic-cons topic-init topic-null topic-snoc topic-tail topic-tell type . ? @ ft v < 1317675825 426667 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes "contramap" is defined like that in some library I found. < 1317675833 446884 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmetts contravariant package only has Contrafucntor (as Contravariant) and some other stuff.... < 1317675839 935024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :contraap is a cute idea < 1317675841 691223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \m f -> (?cojoin :: f (f a) -> f a) ((?contramap :: (b -> a) -> f a -> f b) f m) < 1317675842 318124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (?cojoin::f (f a) -> f a) from the context () < 1317675842 401520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of implicit parameter `?cojoin' < 1317675842 482181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : at :1:9-15 < 1317675846 718013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1317675853 827436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hepl < 1317675859 430233 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cojoin? duplicate? < 1317675866 278490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \m f -> (undefined :: f (f a) -> f a) ((undefined :: (b -> a) -> f a -> f b) f m) < 1317675866 917256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a a1. f a1 -> (f a -> a1) -> f a < 1317675874 13978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspected < 1317675877 711113 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: For comonads it is duplicate < 1317675881 769840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: contrajoin < 1317675882 837160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a typo < 1317675886 697619 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh contrajoin < 1317675896 675169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1317675900 159474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite surprising actually, that result < 1317675906 396801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't the result in f too < 1317675915 71906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \m f -> ((undefined :: (b -> a) -> f a -> f b) f m) < 1317675915 695501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a (f :: * -> *). f a -> (b -> a) -> f b < 1317675920 560873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1317675957 362201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts this in a file
< 1317675967 280550 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1317675969 27900 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1317675988 183306 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317675990 147920 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :contramonad makes no sense < 1317676018 87928 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage contravariant < 1317676018 168533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/contravariant < 1317676031 993744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: well, zzo38 asked :) < 1317676051 841304 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :a contravariant functor is a functor involving opposite categories < 1317676058 170161 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monad is an endofunctor < 1317676063 634872 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no opposites in sight! < 1317676067 81723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Shhhhhhhh, zzo38 asked, it must happen < 1317676070 6157 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1317676078 315276 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1317676081 599189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries going straight from Contrafunctor to Contramonad with no applicative in between
< 1317676107 523201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : contrabind :: m a -> (m b -> m a) -> m b < 1317676108 952905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssssssssss < 1317676123 463043 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :m a -> (b -> m a) -> m b, maybe? < 1317676130 598534 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes no sense :P < 1317676141 48332 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrabind is weird < 1317676143 103473 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you could do it on the generalized monads thing < 1317676153 500486 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalize d moands thinge? < 1317676154 485540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: oh right duh < 1317676160 879204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I wanted m in both places :P < 1317676172 615634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: but elliott has practically defined already! < 1317676174 773160 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~txa/publ/AssistedMonads2.pdf < 1317676178 67734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*defined it < 1317676181 564227 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1317676193 235061 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: O, yes, you are correct but there might be possible to do with defining the correct operations, if it can be done. < 1317676193 426484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be m a -> (m b -> a) -> m b? < 1317676201 788300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, m a -> (b -> m a) -> m b < 1317676203 535103 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what would it be? < 1317676217 749578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm can we define contraap with that contrabind? < 1317676218 775214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I don't know, which is why I asked. < 1317676222 616917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think your m a -> (m b -> a) -> m b was fairly logical, really < 1317676226 46258 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at those relative monads I mentioned < 1317676234 222425 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're sort of a "monad-like thing" that works for non-endofunctors < 1317676241 14819 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a contravariant functor is a non-endofunctor < 1317676242 225219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes it makes more sense than this :P < 1317676253 837409 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might be able to apply those to give you something resembling what you want < 1317676263 916629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data F a b = F { unF :: b -> a } < 1317676264 1890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Contrafunctor ((->) a) where < 1317676264 82327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : contramap f (F g) = F (f . g) < 1317676265 236810 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an earlier paper that didn't use agda < 1317676266 449424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, why doesn't that work... < 1317676279 604226 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you want F < 1317676282 661197 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ((->) a) < 1317676284 741471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: oh < 1317676287 32892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: im smart < 1317676290 737387 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks elliott
< 1317676291 713077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- smart < 1317676293 878371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was comonad cobind again < 1317676305 841496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: w a -> (w a -> b) -> w b I think < 1317676320 474639 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend has the arguments flipped but yes < 1317676326 546366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrapure :: a -> F b a === a -> (a -> b) < 1317676327 517004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1317676342 958362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooooo < 1317676344 166713 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrapunctus < 1317676348 809080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone suggest another type to become a contramonad :P < 1317676350 68064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok, in that case i suspect that one of m a -> (b -> m a) -> m b and m a -> (m b -> a) -> m b is a contramonad, and the other is a contra_co_monad < 1317676358 949472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :contracomonad...... < 1317676377 26210 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-26.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/QbPdR.jpg Is that really the example you want to go with? < 1317676378 667180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but seriously someone suggest another possible contramonad :P < 1317676383 94489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-26.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, Japan? < 1317676384 754830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did think of contracomonad too. < 1317676407 514199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm is contrapure right < 1317676418 674699 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: japan < 1317676442 793705 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ooh, zeerust *is* in the second book. It's "fuurtti" in Finnish. And that place is *really* obscure, it's not even known by Google Maps, and about the only hits are a weather forecast there, and some sort of a "nature-related locations" zoning map for the nearby muncipality (of less than 2000 inhabitants); it's here, anyway: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=61.514509,26.298437&spn=0.039912,0.082226&z=14 < 1317676481 382072 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-252-26.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the definitions given are entirely accurate. < 1317676515 390094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: insufficient lack of suggestions for other possible contramonads :P < 1317676519 70212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1317676526 76912 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1317676527 123144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/insufficient/oversufficient/ < 1317676558 565091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, is (Kleisli a) a monad? < 1317676566 911361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe (Contrakleisli a) is a contramonad < 1317676621 126115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea any more :P < 1317676651 796635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo fuurtti | tr a-z n-za-m < 1317676653 862445 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shheggv < 1317676662 797651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1317676668 493551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo zeerust | tr a-z n-za-m < 1317676670 514644 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrrehfg < 1317676678 44585 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good words < 1317676682 802893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> a) -> (m r -> a) -> (m r -> b) < 1317676682 926313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :furrfu < 1317676702 239903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hepl < 1317676714 193615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hepl < 1317676718 357262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given (Contramonad m)) < 1317676763 797412 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, given any more idle thought returning fruitfulness? < 1317676779 237404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: i suspect it is a trivial modification of feather in some ways :P < 1317676793 390262 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone say feather < 1317676805 5483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: time-reversed feather < 1317676826 290206 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Brook, as I call it, a self-interpreter is AS EASY AS A CAT PROGRAM < 1317676861 895019 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does brook exist < 1317676875 19980 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in an unsaved text file on my laptop < 1317676877 800832 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in my mind < 1317676898 776865 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in elliott's mind, but in a significantly different form < 1317676901 53488 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly with a different name < 1317676947 363553 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I will go to bed now < 1317676949 8731 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-200.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1317677066 326572 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor has (a -> b) -> f a -> f b what is (f a -> f b) -> a -> b ? Is there even such things? > 1317677317 345447 JOIN :#esoteric < 1317677319 46510 :glogbot!foobar@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1317677319 400647 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1317677335 487528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is zhc untaken < 1317677336 467386 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :z is good if you cross it < 1317677348 681732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how should i know < 1317677351 249007 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring otherwise < 1317677357 346168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: u r haskel elda < 1317677362 233901 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZHC is a test held by the Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security of the People's Republic of China to test the Mandarin Chinese ability of Chinese citizens. < 1317677380 60548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1317677411 423226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you cannot use it. clearly < 1317677413 990826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1317677451 670725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lets try...atnother letter < 1317677456 590143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1317677471 607892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MHC....im dont like it < 1317677479 344802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1317677564 270751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking qhc at this point < 1317677696 266652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you approve of...qhc..... < 1317677712 243606 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to do? Invent a Haskell compiler? < 1317677768 710200 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1317677772 11057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :m,....aybe... < 1317677776 992554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think it will have mor enotation < 1317677804 275787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will it have? Macros? < 1317677888 742472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :m..aybe.... < 1317677889 638799 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have macros that can be used to make up do-notation, list notation, Num class literals, these like Haskell already has; and more-notation as well. < 1317677908 162167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i will start with haskell 2010... and go from there..... < 1317677940 699698 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that do notation and list notation would be Prelude macros. < 1317677991 91684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : * You have been kicked from #magic by ChanServ (Invite only channel) <-- well if it was real, you'd have been turned into a newt. hm, maybe you should check that. < 1317677992 77567 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have "deriving" actually being Template Haskell, where the standard deriving stuff is defined in Prelude. < 1317678001 182196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have always been a newt............. < 1317678004 491525 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :people really don't like template haskell < 1317678010 193707 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they'll want to increase its scope < 1317678022 43775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, deriving by TH seems sane to me < 1317678024 941140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I don't like TH :( < 1317678026 210441 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Why? I think Template Haskell is OK. < 1317678027 760401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could avoid it in my code < 1317678037 171552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't figure out how to excise it from mchost < 1317678082 660532 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course if it can be deriving by TH but they are defined in the Prelude, your program doesn't need TH, if the Prelude has TH that is enough to use the deriving mechanism. < 1317678116 671384 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: SPJ's (and many others) main issues with it are outlined at http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/blog/Template%20Haskell%20Proposal < 1317678263 384874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: oh man, i could replace TH in my current project with cpp x-macros < 1317678266 493181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOULD I DO IT????????? < 1317678309 954109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1317678346 418804 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C preprocessor is no good for Haskell < 1317678368 530688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : A little nicer, though still not very aesthetically pleasing. (ÆHC? :p) <-- i've always felt Æ is the least esthetic norwegian letter < 1317678382 154442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+a < 1317678386 629774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "esthetic" is an abominable spelling imho. :( < 1317678389 15839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not invalid < 1317678393 387120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the common american spelling < 1317678396 574215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't like it < 1317678409 19160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:estetisk >:) < 1317678419 71407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's a hideous word :P < 1317678459 223987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do agree with some of the things in Template Haskell Proposal. < 1317678493 721011 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com 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