< 1318119219 251080 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scala-lang.org/node/114 < This would have been useful to know when I was writing packet parsing for a Minecraft server.. I think. < 1318119495 696111 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope the style used in that example isn't idiomatic < 1318119543 735709 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you care if it is idiomatic? < 1318119676 738862 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful idioms < 1318119691 690802 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'd ever have to work with scala code, I'd die < 1318120732 922743 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318120996 544307 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1318121009 718155 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :When using php's mysql functions to retrieve values from a database, does it return integers in the datasbase as integers or as strings? < 1318121056 410736 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: As integers, so far as I know. < 1318121090 441562 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it particularly matters, right? < 1318121104 431983 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't... Something is being wonky < 1318121183 26049 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What database type are you using < 1318121185 167815 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1318121188 305588 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql < 1318121204 215592 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, like MyISAM or InnoDB. < 1318121250 93537 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At FreeGeek I have a SQLite reporting program, as well as a separate CGI program allowing it to be accessed by HTTP servers; even write access to databases is permitted. < 1318121288 15478 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5323146/ < 1318121290 685792 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, I don't know, but I'm doing this test: if ((int) $row['enabled'] != 1) in a table where enabled always equals 1, and it's triggering < 1318121322 277497 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you use SQL as a templating language? < 1318121337 206304 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently PHP' < 1318121343 452479 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :always returns values as strings. < 1318121349 672990 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for typos involving newlines. < 1318121359 58587 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Can you give an example? < 1318121365 288028 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait < 1318121379 396941 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I do (int) $row['enabled'] != 1 does it turn the whole boolean expression into an int or just the left hand? < 1318121380 711206 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :X.X < 1318121391 976042 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why < 1318121402 82784 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: It is a program I wrote that allows you do that. Currently the only file is internal use at FreeGeek. < 1318121485 695536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can explain how it works. A query block must start with #Q and a SQL statement on a line by itself, and then you can have stuff inside, and #Z is end of block. Everything inside is done for each record of output. Lines without # are copied directly to output except for field names in `...` < 1318121489 678374 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it's still ont working < 1318121514 95835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use #F to define a custom function, which is given a name and a SQL statement that returns one record with one field. < 1318121568 659340 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a function definition, you can use ?1 ?2 ?3 etc to access function parameters. Outside of a function definition, ?1 ?2 ?3 etc access command-line parameters, and you can use $ and a field name to access a field of the result of the query block that this query is inside of. < 1318121605 140996 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't you appropriate the stored procedure syntax for function definition? < 1318121620 732773 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't create the functions in the database of course, just in the template engine. < 1318121622 579910 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite does not have stored procedures. < 1318121744 874905 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, but I think it would be nicer to see "#Q create procedure `name` ..." than "#F name ..." or whatever. < 1318121818 562865 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that if you want to modify the program to support other database engines that do have stored procedures, you can do that. < 1318121867 682894 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-85-198.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318121878 587884 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wanted to continue using SQLite, you would just need to parse the "create procedure" statement without passing it to the DB engine. < 1318121888 306057 :MichaelBurge!~quassel@75-175-85-198.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318121912 149024 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you would have uniform syntax. < 1318121918 217045 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplifying things. < 1318122031 723303 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing research for an essay for class, and I came upon a very interesting study from 2001. < 1318122043 917682 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how stored procedures work in SQL. SQLite has a function in C which is used to create new functions for use by SQL statements. < 1318122054 360881 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was studying the language that non-programmers used to specify solutions to programming-style problems. < 1318122112 831382 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be interesting to do some research into making a language that adheres as closely as possible to the expectations of beginners. < 1318122114 137597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know if database engines other than SQLite support the ?1 ?2 $NAME kind of syntax; these are parameters that you must bind using C functions. < 1318122130 433791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: OK, try. < 1318122131 851204 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. "?" is pretty universal. < 1318122146 337955 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know about positional and named arguments. < 1318122217 131241 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The study found that most people tend to avoid named state, and state in general. < 1318122235 353150 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318122253 204091 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They establish solutions through events, constraints, rules, and declarations primarily. < 1318122267 70362 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only those things that need to be sequenced are done so explicitly with imperative instructions. < 1318122279 870173 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that sense, Haskell is one of the more "natural" languages out there! < 1318122293 152177 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though by no means the most natural... < 1318122340 78661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even Haskell, by itself, does not have events, and does not support complete rule-based and constraint-based programming either < 1318122401 255610 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope NICK :kerlo < 1318122660 780690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1318122682 128739 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the program, it represents floating point literals by the integer value and the ten shift. Such as, (FloatLit 5 (-1)) for "0.5" and (FloatLit 42 0) for "4.2e+01" < 1318123059 642121 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's more of a scientific notation storage, considering that floating-point would be... what, similar but in a different base? < 1318123073 851891 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is unsure < 1318123474 864657 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1318123567 981148 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Floating-point is essentially scientific notation. < 1318123581 114861 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :significand * base ^ exponent < 1318123613 418164 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :All IEEE-754 does is specify a packed storage format, and a base (2). < 1318123680 347384 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Haskell is missing those features, certainly. I was making a comment about how people find mutable state and imperative instructions unnatural. < 1318123793 308435 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the time, natural language refers to things by class specifiers and set operations. < 1318123814 382823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: OK. I might understand what you meant, then. < 1318123815 963747 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do X to all Y that are Z." < 1318123845 740178 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another interesting thing is that people expect time to be continuous. < 1318123888 19510 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for instance, animation should be done through physical analogies, totally hiding the fact that timing is not continuous on a computer. < 1318124441 398205 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl g x = 9*x*x*x*x-x < 1318124441 748642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g = (-) =<< (*) =<< (*) =<< (*) =<< (9 *) < 1318124452 765677 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl g x = 9*x^4-x < 1318124453 3551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g = (-) =<< (9 *) . (^ 4) < 1318126387 819723 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318126811 186367 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318127012 863772 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318127520 909566 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318127524 483617 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318127869 575698 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this correctly parsing a Haskell qualified name as you can tell? < 1318127870 105116 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318127871 969867 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :qualifyName :: (Name -> Token) -> Parser String -> Parser Token; < 1318127884 653624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :qualifyName f p = f . ExternalName <$> liftM2 (++) (join . fmap (++ ".") <$> (many . try $ liftM2 (:) (oneOf c'upper) (many $ oneOf c'letter) <* char '.')) p; < 1318127932 312320 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work but maybe I missed something in the Haskell specification or something else. < 1318128046 607002 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is too messy. < 1318128067 120793 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1318128189 517931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there ought to be an infix form of liftM2 (++) < 1318128617 760088 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928134238] < 1318129529 939558 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1318129577 331158 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I once considered the idea of having nested infix expressions < 1318129585 545729 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a `f x y` b < 1318129618 22150 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that < 1318129792 353413 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a `x `g y` z` b < 1318129797 786130 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best nesting < 1318129811 709906 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why you stopped considering it? < 1318129841 39564 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could require paren usage or think of some fancy new quotes but there aren't enough quote things for it to work?? < 1318129847 182517 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1318129848 871378 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it/that < 1318129857 651897 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no that actually didn't change my opinion of it at all. < 1318129860 867874 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1318129909 519465 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a horrid use case that was possible. < 1318129929 257917 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er ambiguity even. < 1318129947 823710 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambiguity is bad??? and shouldn't be allowed to happen??? < 1318129960 817300 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously infix nesting just shouldn't be possible without different quoting. < 1318129992 130335 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`( and )` would be ok for infix expressions imo < 1318129997 792605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: (: not found < 1318130009 571680 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego.... < 1318130044 830807 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x y = y in 1 `f ` 2 < 1318130045 600902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1318130059 89384 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay. < 1318130175 811649 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ASCII obviously needs more brackets < 1318130179 377570 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or keyboards need more Unicode. < 1318130190 63407 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter is more sensible. < 1318130205 754278 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with `( )`; it's the conclusion i came to when i entertained the idea of infix expressions a while back < 1318130310 693832 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1318130319 548349 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of finally incorporating Unicode into programming syntax. < 1318130349 694328 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that's not annoying. < 1318130534 258052 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in a way that's not annoying" good luck < 1318130547 237440 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by that anyway < 1318130597 694563 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I can type it on a keyboard. < 1318130610 886969 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quickly < 1318130763 388227 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: agda has latex-like input < 1318130781 46410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to do it without Unicode since the ASCII is a simpler code and can be typed more easily too. < 1318130785 460417 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you type \x you get the cross product x, or if you type \to or \-> you get a right arrow < 1318130793 458497 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so forth < 1318130802 61000 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you this is agda mode for emacs < 1318130828 928256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless "-" was made a letter the \-> in TeX would be \- followed by > rather than a single control sequence < 1318130890 159194 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I think Unicode can be incorporated into programming but it's something you'd have to do in an interface < 1318130891 12397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use TeX to print out a program with fancy symbols and bold and everything, such as WEB. < 1318130910 126515 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example ctrl/alt or using numpad keys (since I never use those :P ) < 1318130913 555276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Input can be plain ASCII and it can work < 1318130936 625137 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i said latex-like < 1318130956 953201 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you type \-> it gets automatically replaced with the arrow < 1318130963 833573 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1318130970 261929 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Does LaTeX redefine "-" to be a letter? < 1318130977 529941 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not latex < 1318130982 3822 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like latex < 1318130986 519248 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence latex-like < 1318131008 937874 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just an input method for unicode < 1318131021 656331 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does use all of the standard latex names tho, i think < 1318131028 780717 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \langle and \rangle work, for instance < 1318131095 749022 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, if you have a specific set of symbols you use, you could create a character set for the programming language, and then use CTRL, ALT, and/or function keys, to select the extra characters (you could even have a character with code 1 and use CTRL+A to enter it, for example; or you could use ALT to add 128 so that the high codes in 8-bit are the special ones). < 1318131107 737554 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can convert to/from Unicode if necessary, I suppose. < 1318131199 267979 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CWEB will work with Unicode input, but only for identifiers. However you can have macros and formatting codes to make them into operators. (I do not know if WEB has this feature) < 1318131670 617500 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think Unicode would work best simply because it's an existing standard. < 1318131694 373316 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm must not sure what kind of syntax could be incorporated into a language from Unicode. < 1318131698 365669 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about Unicode. < 1318131733 845838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't think so. Unicode is badly designed. < 1318131857 446196 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in what ways? badly organized? poor arithmetic properties? < 1318131887 103825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All sorts of things. Those are some of them. < 1318131897 989724 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way those are ancillary. it offers a large range of standardized characters that already have fonts made for them. < 1318131913 592055 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really all I would need to incorporate more symbols into the syntax of a language. < 1318131949 932659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; unless you need something that Unicode doesn't have (it does not include the complete Commodore 64 character set), in which case you can still use private use blocks but then you would need a font for them. < 1318131973 715584 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes the way variations are selected in Unicode are not exactly as you might want. < 1318131989 650599 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what does the Commodore 64 character set have that I might want? < 1318132011 996845 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro hipster cred? :P < 1318132017 711010 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex scripts result in a lot of difficulties, especially since you need a database to decide what character is processed in what way! < 1318132044 305930 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Probably nothing for what you are trying to make. But it still makes it insufficient. < 1318132073 672196 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sufficient = incorporates every arbitrary character set ever made and organizes them sensibly. < 1318132124 414231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps "insufficient" is the wrong word. But it does make in insufficient for a few uses. < 1318132343 93249 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in-all-encompassing. :P < 1318132379 450346 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Unicode is mostly interested in encoding most of the world's writing systems and less about including every computer encoding that ever existed. < 1318132410 620781 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not even include all writing systems due to people make up their own. < 1318132444 651106 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some people made up the TRON encoding because they dislike the way variation selection works in Unicode (I don't know anything else about TRON). < 1318132511 777794 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "oh well it doesn't include every artificial script that invented" a valid complaint? < 1318132516 467712 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you go about standardizing that? < 1318132530 44067 :banjomonster!~rooms@c-24-5-43-12.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318132530 814842 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the private use block is probably the best way to handle those situations, really. < 1318132535 12190 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you cannot standardize it. < 1318132535 462619 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, way to go, Unicode. < 1318132541 671006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why the private block exists. < 1318132549 988068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it still means you need specialized fonts. < 1318132564 447849 :banjomonster!~rooms@c-24-5-43-12.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1318132571 131633 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you propose to solve this problem < 1318132605 700249 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you also need to agree on their use (for many invented scripts, there are organizations which specify which Unicode code points correspond to them, but they are not a Unicode standard). < 1318132635 934344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You have to just do it on each individual case, I suppose. In some cases simply don't use Unicode if Unicode will not help. < 1318132681 134439 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have unicode telnet < 1318132721 815798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some telnet clients will support Unicode; some of which are part of a terminal emulator and not really part of the telnet client program itself. However, you can also have telnet without unicode. < 1318132732 500561 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so two abstract devices that are communicating with unicode start a telnet session at which point they can agree on which scripts/non-standard things they're using. :P < 1318132746 325558 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best solution < 1318132774 734191 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet is best for all porpoise. < 1318132799 361957 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is one way. But Unicode does not help this at all. < 1318132822 955104 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, how could it? without being telnet, of course. < 1318132823 968412 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to agree on what you are using anyways, why do you use Unicode? < 1318132863 428879 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode wiki < 1318132870 888053 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :people can make pages for their scripts < 1318132879 532685 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it automatically becomes part of Unicode. < 1318132919 870440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not quite consider that the best way either; although in some cases, that might be the way to do it. < 1318132923 642511 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's machine readable data to help programs handle the scripts and such. < 1318132941 457774 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if it has the complex script data and character property data. < 1318132956 810009 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it was a joke, really. I don't think the problem you're desribing is completely contrived and is one of the inherent problems of any standard. < 1318132962 826833 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1318132968 162286 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think it is completely contribed rather < 1318132971 379558 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*contrived even < 1318132976 987932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course that requires that the program access the wiki by internet always to access a file! < 1318132985 526469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also is not a good way to do it. < 1318133002 600198 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :best solution: the world is perfect. everything does everything the way you want. < 1318133009 235961 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved\ < 1318133063 715175 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way TeX does it works OK for typesetting; you have a metric file and a METAFONT to generate the font metric and character bitmaps for whatever printer you are using. < 1318133085 881638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1318133103 393966 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're saying the Unicode standard could include a way to specify typesetting and script data? < 1318133112 642591 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1318133134 386768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am saying to ignore Unicode for typesetting. < 1318133153 886348 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we were talking about Ways Unicode Could Be Better < 1318133168 360593 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not what we're talking about? < 1318133174 775282 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I missing something? < 1318133179 311263 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1318133210 582718 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode works for some things, but you should not always use it, please. < 1318133236 371886 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Unicode for everything. I draw in Unicode. < 1318133259 489021 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write abstract Unicode poetry. < 1318133713 963277 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d932d101.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318134971 987229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :An actual on topic esoforum post has been spotted! < 1318134983 196857 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1318134990 123203 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely forgot about the forum < 1318135017 707953 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, it looks like the guy who made brains also made a post < 1318135022 118599 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing nobody cares about brains < 1318135238 823050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Having decided to invent an extremely innovative and creative esoteric programming language of my own, I spent several days and nights feverishly working on my masterpiece. While taking a break from this, I invented CAPS 4D." < 1318135346 124402 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked that part < 1318136994 164479 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1318137160 183252 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318137200 720777 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1318137616 932377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are such things as Japanese Korean chess rules, which are the same as Korean Korean chess rules except that it has promotation (which is mandatory). < 1318139059 363621 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a->Boolean) -> [a] -> ([a],[a]) < 1318139059 684014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Unknown type Boolean < 1318139059 970126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1318139063 354188 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a->Bool) -> [a] -> ([a],[a]) < 1318139063 697452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude break :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> ([a], [a]) < 1318139063 979910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude span :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> ([a], [a]) < 1318139064 126470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List break :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> ([a], [a]) < 1318139072 986209 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a->b) -> [a] -> [[a]] < 1318139073 471122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude dropWhile :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] < 1318139073 748817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude filter :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] < 1318139073 895382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude takeWhile :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] < 1318139087 104983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t partition < 1318139088 36817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> ([a], [a]) < 1318139094 118917 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1318139129 906707 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did invent a different character coding that I will use for a different kind of computer. It is a sixteen-bit encoding called FBUCE, compatible with printable ASCII, but far simpler than Unicode. However, you usually will use NK encoding which is compatible with ASCII control characters as well as ASCII printable characters. < 1318139214 61018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: groupBy and sortBy might also be relevant < 1318139248 295148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sortBy . comparing < 1318139249 275944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1. (Ord a1) => (a -> a1) -> [a] -> [a] < 1318139255 325498 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double thanks < 1318139275 74139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t groupBy . on (==) < 1318139276 62188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (Eq b) => (a -> b) -> [a] -> [[a]] < 1318139303 434235 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t on < 1318139304 542594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b c a. (b -> b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> a -> c < 1318139315 661334 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src on < 1318139315 886849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*) `on` f = \x y -> f x * f y < 1318139340 101225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: oh and ghc has some new list comprehension additions for grouping and sorting which i've never really looked at < 1318139356 389648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1318139360 662653 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1318139469 41245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are things that FBUCE intentionally lacks: character properties, complex script support, variation selectors, right-to-left, etc. FBUCE does, however, support the entire Commodore 64 printable character set. Unlike Unicode, FBUCE would hardly ever be used directly; you normally use a mapping table. FBUCE has 512 defined control characters, though. < 1318139481 508050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something using a Data.Map.Map can also be useful < 1318139558 98436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: note that groupBy only groups _adjacent_ elements, so it may be necessary to use sortBy first < 1318139559 670263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I am wrong. It has 256 control characters. < 1318139582 706770 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How rude. < 1318139632 470259 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (a -> b -> c) -> (a -> d -> e) -> a -> b -> d -> e < 1318139632 701611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f _ a b _ c = a b c < 1318139648 440792 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (a -> b -> c) -> (a -> c -> d) -> a -> b -> c < 1318139648 686414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a _ b c = a b c < 1318139666 579628 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (a -> b -> c) -> (a -> c -> d) -> a -> b -> d < 1318139666 848241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c d = b c (a c d) < 1318139673 674969 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl djinn (a -> b -> c) -> (a -> c -> d) -> a -> b -> d < 1318139673 924815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = flip (liftM2 (.)) < 1318139713 259664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftM2 (>>>) < 1318139714 255787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (cat :: * -> * -> *) a b c (m :: * -> *). (Control.Category.Category cat, Monad m) => m (cat a b) -> m (cat b c) -> m (cat a c) < 1318139732 820580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1318139757 955504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ that specializes to what you want < 1318139803 501545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean the (->) category and the (e ->) monad? < 1318139807 768302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1318139909 85518 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1318139934 312470 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sortBy < 1318139935 292815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a -> Ordering) -> [a] -> [a] < 1318139936 12298 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t groupBy < 1318139937 86199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [[a]] < 1318139944 733452 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1318139946 808975 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kya! < 1318139952 126207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> groupBy ((&&) `on` isSpace) "testing a b c" < 1318139952 953154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["t","e","s","t","i","n","g"," ","a"," ","b"," ","c"] < 1318140055 221555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: their first arguments are analogous to compare and (==) respectively, which is why you might want to use "on" with those < 1318140425 190520 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318140454 695632 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1318140493 187776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1318140514 342017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a good one, even < 1318140570 309985 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have woken up 5 times today < 1318140596 378826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now you don't have to wake up for the rest of the week! < 1318140602 40692 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1318140625 814260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here it is night time < 1318141150 951133 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea functional program representation. data Exp = Apply Exp Exp | Case [(Pat,Exp)] | Global GlobalID | Local LocalID | Literal Literal | Primitive PrimitiveID; data Pat = Constructor ConstructorID [Pat] | LiteralP Literal | LocalP; < 1318141303 87150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aren't you missing a LocalID before ; at the end < 1318141349 401838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. The LocalID would be a type synonym for a number, so you select them in order, I think. < 1318141357 293501 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I am wrong, though. < 1318141382 880900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but you need to be able to use them in the Exp part of the Case < 1318141425 58947 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. Maybe you are correct, it should have LocalID there < 1318141442 745558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use deBruijn indices < 1318141454 965081 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are deBruijn indices? < 1318141482 723308 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special lambda calculus things destroying the need for variables < 1318141495 926514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_index < 1318141570 787671 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that, is what I was thinking of. < 1318141619 626083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about these is that you don't just give each variable a fixed number, but you use a number depending on how far away its binding is < 1318141635 363545 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is still a difference, due to matching constructors with multiple parameters. < 1318141650 100498 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I understand that; I did read the Wikipedia article now. < 1318141666 486868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but i guess there you'd just have to count the LocalP's in some order < 1318141703 609042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you would have to count them in some order. < 1318141917 244495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case [(LocalP, e)] would be how you'd express an ordinary lambda expression, i assume < 1318141934 219925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. That is my intention. < 1318142078 404082 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of a python module for multiplying matrices? < 1318142097 804418 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program would be represented by a list of expressions (Exp) and the GlobalID type is an index into the program; exported functions are listed first and are in the specific order. < 1318142132 667290 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: for loops (ahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahha) < 1318142146 651315 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: alternative joke: ask #python (ahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahhahah) < 1318142163 419395 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired and I haven't had breakfast < 1318142164 556525 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not count has so I do not know which of those I laughed more at < 1318142174 887884 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I will ask Python < 1318142182 341946 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*#python < 1318142354 799204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a `mult` b = map (map (zipWith (*)) $ transpose b) a in [[1,0],[0,1],[1,-1]] `mult` [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]] < 1318142355 630316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> b' < 1318142355 915510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[[a1] ... < 1318142360 880322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1318142399 469247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1318142526 108465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a `mult` b = map (\av -> map (zipWith (*) av) $ transpose b) a in [[1,0],[0,1],[1,-1]] `mult` [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]] < 1318142527 36456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[[1,0],[2,0],[3,0]],[[0,4],[0,5],[0,6]],[[1,-4],[2,-5],[3,-6]]] < 1318142545 378101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired to free the points < 1318142559 736568 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ass `mult` bss = [[sum $ zipWith (*) as bs | as <- ass] | bs <- transpose bss] in [[1,0],[0,1],[1,-1]] `mult` [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]] < 1318142560 590713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,4,-3],[2,5,-3],[3,6,-3]] < 1318142573 454149 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, Python code for multiplying matrices < 1318142576 366222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and to fix the last bug :P < 1318142610 803068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you've nested them in the wrong order < 1318142633 492100 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I thought the type system would catch that. < 1318142646 878116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for integer matrices? :P < 1318142651 372041 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ass `mult` bss = [[sum $ zipWith (*) as bs | bs <- transpose bss] | as <- ass] in [[1,0],[0,1],[1,-1]] `mult` [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]] < 1318142652 339241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[-3,-3,-3]] < 1318142661 438341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1318142958 415445 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breakfast time, bye < 1318142960 301514 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: what a big quitter he is, eh? < 1318143475 592696 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....oh I missed him. < 1318143501 477572 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1318143516 175173 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Ngevd Dude, numpy, bro. It's what you want. To multiply the matrices. < 1318143516 560292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1318143570 959206 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely #python told him though. < 1318143577 812609 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have faith. < 1318143701 315605 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318143709 425582 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: numpy < 1318143711 490859 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what you want < 1318143713 117016 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude. bro. < 1318143729 62824 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what #python told me < 1318143729 253026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1318143735 803569 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now lambdabot < 1318143738 190298 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will tell you < 1318143742 508741 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :triple affirmation < 1318143772 217570 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble installing it, though < 1318143797 982381 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have pip? < 1318143824 554354 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pip install numpy < 1318143870 177444 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bit Windows < 1318143873 70356 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably not < 1318143876 564411 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't it might be in in apt-get under pip or python-pip depending on your -- oh < 1318143892 882352 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay < 1318143894 105933 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've cracked it < 1318143914 400152 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you're allowed to write programs in Windows < 1318143932 996719 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :against the rules. < 1318143938 899114 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in an off-shore oil platform < 1318143951 357999 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... see? < 1318143964 552594 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the platform is invisible < 1318143966 726429 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't see it < 1318143998 541938 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a secret platform < 1318144086 979326 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you use the fenestrated operating system? < 1318144106 194496 :CakeProp1et!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :CakeProphet < 1318144112 729448 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??????? < 1318144122 59473 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenestra is latin for window < 1318144131 914591 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im linux, sorry < 1318144141 724122 :CakeProphet!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry yes good < 1318144206 517347 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to switch to Ubuntu now < 1318144209 677292 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... < 1318144211 698108 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1318144219 145110 :CakeProphet!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Ubuntu is going to be bad soon. < 1318144232 805070 :CakeProphet!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is switching to Debian soon (actually) < 1318144262 53787 :CakeProphet!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever I finally feel like doing it. < 1318144273 774038 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try and use DSL < 1318144288 69397 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1318144298 864569 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's ds? < 1318144349 896303 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's l < 1318144358 99537 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't work < 1318144361 327060 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not l enough < 1318144363 500431 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1318144388 677441 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318144492 931106 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318144528 239411 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1318145026 135959 :monqy!~swell@71.102.215.70 QUIT :Quit: hello < 1318145109 951054 :CakeProphet!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assange was a hacker in his youth, before becoming a computer programmer. < 1318145118 191330 :CakeProphet!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be more likely that he became the latter before the former? < 1318145145 704799 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he was one of those hackers who just went around calling everything 1337 < 1318145173 597402 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And themselves 1337 |-|4><><0rz < 1318145238 773150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can 'hack' without programming skill, it'll just be very uninteresting hacks. < 1318146607 654632 :CakeProphet!~eris@h123.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1318147243 602847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1318149125 998367 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just followed my old english teacher on twitter < 1318149138 278673 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, a person who used to teach me english < 1318149152 334979 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a person who teaches me old english < 1318149156 179494 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame, too. < 1318149163 595594 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not an old person who teaches me english < 1318149175 734506 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though understandable; Old English is not *that* well-attested. < 1318149212 726943 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like there's going to be many classes for learning how to understand the small handful of things written in it we have. < 1318149334 5473 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Old English teachers? Never thought about that < 1318149384 197883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly plausible. < 1318149390 118788 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But just barely. < 1318149417 697132 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mother studies the geneology of our family tree, so she has to read centuries old handwriting all the time < 1318149419 974443 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not THAT old < 1318149433 234480 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many centuries? < 1318149452 339159 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, 0-3? I'd have to ask her how far back she's ever gone < 1318149460 606333 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still modern English < 1318149465 149882 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I see her squinting at things like church marriage records < 1318149466 190383 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1318149477 94871 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just hard to read because it's all...curvy and slanted < 1318149480 584612 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to do my family tree < 1318149488 40171 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't get very far < 1318149608 345838 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She'd probably have as much trouble today if handwriting weren't outmoded. < 1318149624 201077 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's face it: unless you're careful, handwriting is pretty hard to read. < 1318149789 351760 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :My handwriting is irredeemably awful < 1318149802 547480 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same < 1318149818 308991 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My handwriting's quality depends on language. < 1318149833 772682 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My English handwriting? Essentially illegible. < 1318149848 793649 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Japanese handwriting? Merely below average. < 1318149879 848405 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My handwriting's legibility is inversely proportional to how fast I write < 1318149890 522093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, English is my native language. < 1318149899 737459 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which dialect? < 1318149921 104619 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something roughly General American. < 1318149924 86762 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1318149935 730640 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm roughly general British < 1318149945 220237 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a small amount of Victorian Australian and Geordie < 1318149952 661883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(General American is an *actual accent*, BTW) < 1318149964 153040 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that < 1318149973 167558 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, general British isn;t < 1318149978 946103 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1318149979 782568 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it to refer to a soft RP < 1318149985 421863 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1318149987 495209 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the lower case g < 1318149999 733626 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That* seems like an actual accent, though. :P < 1318150151 57823 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand how Red Hot Chilli Peppers manage to rhyme "bra" and "wall" < 1318150198 592162 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, I can rhyme "vampires" with "stairs" < 1318150365 914627 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't understand how I can do that < 1318150560 395697 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has given me an idea < 1318150565 10790 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IPA based language < 1318150580 699983 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That enforces pronounceability < 1318150694 812523 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the Bilabial percussive < 1318150785 339979 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't enforce pronounceability < 1318150789 558704 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have like...a pronounciation police < 1318150792 903942 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll drift anyway < 1318150816 541244 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All programmers must also record an audio version of their program < 1318150820 985276 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scratch also < 1318150827 992352 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That audio version is the program < 1318150839 448675 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1318150863 779427 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is a programming language you can't write in any public place < 1318150868 361664 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1318150891 329169 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next, we need a programming language based on the kinect < 1318150894 197449 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions are written with a lisp < 1318150899 710118 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that in addition you can't write it while sitting down < 1318152275 884916 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-152.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318152328 69561 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-249.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1318152365 947615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318152952 92580 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1318153312 620875 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318153869 175212 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1318153995 522402 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318156091 868286 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318156841 412719 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318158009 270355 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318158024 91075 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1318158291 950076 :pikhq!~pikhq@71.219.233.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318158309 600891 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-152.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318158484 636900 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318158514 531962 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318158767 747563 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1318158812 16152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1318158907 636889 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.110.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318158907 828756 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.110.172 QUIT :Changing host < 1318158907 975558 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1318158912 390899 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318158968 268357 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318158981 282474 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1318159029 491269 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1318159060 493168 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318159932 577869 :derrik!~xix@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: gtg < 1318161722 611614 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1318161876 818643 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1318162741 266737 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1318162928 176656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1318163018 789539 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318164005 95335 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1318164123 288062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318167314 646219 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1318167568 308066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1318167580 861265 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318167606 68960 :pikhq!~pikhq@71.219.233.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318168591 461028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318168950 895274 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1318171522 882630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318172117 497077 :derdon!~derdon@p579CCDDB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318172173 625634 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: are you there? < 1318172187 811747 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: do you know the qntm guy? < 1318172208 690306 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The qntm guy? < 1318172240 498798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, silly news story of the week: Belgian court orders ISPs to block www.thepiratebay.org; this is not actually an URL for the Pirate Bay < 1318172255 92301 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1318172263 39029 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is? < 1318172276 126166 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, cheater, you're supposed to say "the qntm guy!" < 1318172277 440832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: looks like people are mentally adding/filtering www even nowadays < 1318172282 381930 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's .com < 1318172289 293570 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait < 1318172291 480992 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1318172303 265392 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well of course it redirects to the non-www, but it's still "an URL for the Pirate Bay" < 1318172312 110674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it doesn't redirect, apparently < 1318172326 156232 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's just my browser then < 1318172342 248534 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't matter, it still goes to the pirate bay :-P < 1318172345 981697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I've tested < 1318172554 441635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the student loans website I was trying to visit a couple of weeks ago works with a www and puts up a "down for maintenance" error without one < 1318172557 756254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty confusing too < 1318172855 296018 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Sgeo|web hey sgeo, do you know the guy running the qntm website? < 1318172855 607599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1318173028 727703 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1318173029 19298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1318173033 904439 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not personally... < 1318173124 392175 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: what exactly are you asking? < 1318173315 197540 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1318173433 524500 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: do you know if he hangs out on irc somewhere? < 1318173437 220164 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he does < 1318173525 817738 :Sgeo|web!ad034d00@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.77.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he either does or did, and I don't know where. And I'm not going to devote any energy in helping you cybertstalk him. < 1318173802 829959 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1318173850 13120 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one asked you to devote energy, sillyhead. < 1318174250 172149 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1318174645 570959 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318175494 773656 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1318175660 778750 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318176096 502171 :Nisstyre!~yours@infocalypse-net.info NICK :ircWisdom < 1318176112 27841 :ircWisdom!~yours@infocalypse-net.info NICK :Nisstyre < 1318177947 491361 :kerlo!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope NICK :tswett < 1318178261 885147 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318178788 334969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1318178842 419095 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318179541 646918 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523, do you know the game Neutrino? < 1318179550 631465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1318179593 333575 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a simple game < 1318179604 555154 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone says a sentence, say "Neutrinos are faster than light" < 1318179629 201854 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next person has to say a sentence that leads ip to it, that is, something that would make sense if said before that sentence < 1318179640 828325 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then writes it under the first sentence on a piece of paper < 1318179658 210972 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the next person has to add something that makes sense said before the other two sentences < 1318179660 618195 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1318179672 995098 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you read it back in the "correct" direction < 1318179719 396702 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of ways to score a game < 1318179729 59870 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't have to if you don't want to < 1318179772 130538 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's like having a conversation, but back in time < 1318179777 390785 :cheater!~cheater@ip-2-205-225-248.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really fun < 1318180164 632609 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318180213 577306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-165.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1318180577 416345 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318180796 963843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help it's cold. < 1318180803 197703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs cat for warmth. < 1318180857 282565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is not fair you can't just do that. < 1318180930 964883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well why don't you just use a rabbit OH WAIT I FORGOT RABBITS SUCK < 1318181794 745768 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1318182458 303218 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318184074 633022 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-31-252.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1318184180 389843 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318184425 645642 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1318184895 472116 :derrik!~xix@194.150.65.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1318185192 848587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In reality, cats do possess the ability to turn themselves right side up in mid-air if they should fall upside-down." --Wikipedia < 1318185221 865093 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to test the buttered cat paradox < 1318185235 633541 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fetch me your best cat and finest butter! < 1318185247 964138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: That was from [[buttered cat paradox]], you fool. < 1318185379 806849 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318185389 509313 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy ripping my ISP's online TV stream... http://i.imgur.com/MCr1y.jpg < 1318185420 79946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Why the hell are you running that as root. < 1318185427 537247 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you're the binodu person! < 1318185437 390311 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott because its a quick hack? < 1318185447 701342 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very, VERY quick hack? < 1318185450 453043 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd yes, hi! < 1318185452 883498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Yes, so it'd take a lot much more work to type "sudo " and your password than to just run it. < 1318185460 787392 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be called Taneb! < 1318185466 569749 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's you! hi! < 1318185470 690652 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott i can't turn it off now < 1318185475 827805 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the election night is in progress < 1318185488 571788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which country's elections? < 1318185492 947251 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poland < 1318185498 143461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure how that makes running it as root /quicker/, but okay. < 1318185531 863702 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it does a good job at annoying nerds like us < 1318185577 108293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally it isn't other people who get annoyed when your system gets compromised due to running things as root. < 1318185590 115886 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tablet < 1318185590 262493 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE JUST HAD AN IDEA FOR AN ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE < 1318185594 436524 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have anything worthwhile for it < 1318185606 383582 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE THAT CAN EMBED MANY OTHER ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES! < 1318185615 11775 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like you can't copy the plaintext passwords android stores without root < 1318185640 774547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... pretty sure you can't. < 1318185650 487461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important to point it out to anyone doing stuff as root, so that you have the right to say "we told you so" when they do get compromised < 1318185659 656633 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i AM aware of it < 1318185662 956479 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am aware of the dangers < 1318185669 90366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE DANGERS(TM) < 1318185679 210296 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dangers(tm) < 1318185682 353101 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope there are no grues around here < 1318185698 536576 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eHHHHHHHH? < 1318185732 219144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: whether you're already aware of The Dangers is irrelevant, we have to tell you anyway < 1318185751 907866 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to compromise my system, then < 1318185772 976924 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :acquire IP by whois < 1318185796 90304 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ideas for good people < 1318185801 295608 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it'd partially be my fault you get compromised < 1318185849 576879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's considered acceptable to -- as they call it in the hood -- "own someone's b0xx" -- if they have disclosed they are being an idiot as root < 1318185864 945348 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well go for it < 1318185872 989823 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing running as root right now is a wget process < 1318185875 222104 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the URL is disclosed < 1318185890 868179 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to hijack my WRT54GC router, the wifi is open (my DS only supports WEP and WEP is useless) somewhere in Poland < 1318185910 172042 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ISP's domain name in the IP leaks the town < 1318185914 406828 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to find the hotspot < 1318185919 841514 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the tablet will be up for 10 more hours < 1318185922 744687 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you plenty of time < 1318185939 670636 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1318185971 56007 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... dont stop that wget < 1318185974 509489 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recording is important for me < 1318185983 871618 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"please stop that wget i beg you" < 1318186284 437902 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.48.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318186306 40685 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318187528 873490 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318187752 582317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's an alphabetical letter. < 1318187791 614838 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q?????? or maybe q is not an alhbeptical lette.r. < 1318187801 985923 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is a safe bet, i think < 1318187851 997588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i went for q but shachaf said ... that that was ... taken ... < 1318187854 672528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q is my favourite letter though < 1318187860 117619 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1318187864 741490 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is q really taken < 1318187867 852985 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is shachaf a < 1318187868 355627 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :liar < 1318187874 970783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know he said qhc was taken.... < 1318187884 617890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also disadvantage of qhc: when module-named as Qhc it's not quite as nice < 1318187887 418499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(QHC is worse) < 1318187905 741259 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww capital q < 1318187907 893276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jhc has this problem too, Jhc is a pretty bad module name, it solves this by putting most things in a different top-level) < 1318187914 131412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like "E", "E" is one of jhc's module names) < 1318187920 386564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well actually I think it's all E.Something but still) < 1318187927 187770 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a letter which looks good as caps < 1318187952 678291 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good as lowers < 1318187954 668553 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhc seems like the sort of thing that would be taken.. < 1318188111 215376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: surely even you know about Yhc < 1318188131 951925 :sadhu!~kaus_@117.201.48.50 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1318188148 816264 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i saw it somewhere but wasn't sure < 1318188160 110712 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know uhc is taken, I thinjk < 1318188177 702644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, utrecht < 1318188192 405281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so weird"(tm) < 1318188260 612377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'll just list... all the options.. < 1318188266 369926 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1318188331 667219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahc Ahc AHC < 1318188331 856849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhc Bhc BHC < 1318188331 856953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chc Chc CHC < 1318188332 3632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dhc Dhc DHC < 1318188332 3825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehc Ehc EHC < 1318188332 503570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fhc Fhc FHC < 1318188334 161510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc Ghc GHC < 1318188336 131811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhc Hhc HHC < 1318188338 277745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihc Ihc IHC < 1318188339 607567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jhc Jhc JHC < 1318188341 731181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :khc Khc KHC < 1318188343 713609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lhc Lhc LHC < 1318188345 717113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhc Mhc MHC < 1318188347 700710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nhc Nhc NHC < 1318188349 824016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohc Ohc OHC < 1318188351 801155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phc Phc PHC < 1318188353 772764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhc Qhc QHC < 1318188355 786199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhc Rhc RHC < 1318188357 671816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shc Shc SHC < 1318188359 740280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thc Thc THC < 1318188361 721449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhc Uhc UHC < 1318188363 712529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vhc Vhc VHC < 1318188365 770700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whc Whc WHC < 1318188367 742586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhc Xhc XHC < 1318188369 764727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhc Yhc YHC < 1318188371 720438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zhc Zhc ZHC < 1318188373 889867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/EaDR < 1318188375 875802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to filter out the taken ones... < 1318188400 841036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1318188402 808204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://sprunge.us/GHiL < 1318188418 144973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shachaf says thc and qhc are both taken by probably-dead projects I think.........) < 1318188564 893274 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhc is good. < 1318188573 684300 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phc and Thc almost look ok but capital letters are really gross ew < 1318188623 251081 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1318188637 93154 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how any of these are more gross than any other. < 1318188659 163261 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the voweled ones. < 1318188669 623477 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihc, ahc, ehc. < 1318188671 515357 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ohc is okay < 1318188681 266276 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhc is... uhc < 1318188702 366055 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah you definitely want eXtreme Haskell Compiler. < 1318188727 877650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhc and qhc and uhc and ghc and maybe dhc are the best for lowercase < 1318188738 346756 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is really good uppercase < 1318188752 320349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i linked to the untaken ones... < 1318188757 917400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you just listed... two taken ones.... < 1318188758 580238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know < 1318188764 524195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1318188766 990923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1318188768 228612 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was intentional < 1318188777 51959 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comment on aesthetic not what to take < 1318188783 702113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if I was going for thc I would go THC uppercase, but it is... too pun even for me................................. < 1318188797 542633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet also listed two taken ones < 1318188806 108944 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZHC < 1318188809 893828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phc is pretty nice, and PHC isn't too bad < 1318188818 822 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that one's okay. < 1318188940 649256 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Chc is gross. < 1318188961 693163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit < 1318188979 960560 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nhc and Mhc actually isn't too bad, I think. < 1318188997 985413 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dhc too. < 1318189061 764843 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lhc = lulz < 1318189087 691944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone discussing my compiler? < 1318189123 792454 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? we're mostly discussing the aesthetics of titlecase haskell compiler acronyms... < 1318189147 362275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1318189165 173603 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :dhc Dhc DHC -- not bad < 1318189184 326508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : phc is pretty nice, and PHC isn't too bad < 1318189193 179843 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1318189205 49061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did you reserve that name : ' ( < 1318189214 216858 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1318189218 979280 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for it. < 1318189223 585884 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*P*hantom *H*oover *C*ompiler < 1318189229 668335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know < 1318189233 223123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just asking if Phantom_Hoover has actually used it < 1318189250 705987 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're asking if there's a phantom hoover compiler? < 1318189254 14658 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1318189254 822528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1318189256 634732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's the... um... < 1318189262 833790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Stop being dense. < 1318189298 310071 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: noep < 1318189304 926936 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have to be *HC? < 1318189305 579191 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously a ridiculous question. < 1318189311 387109 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not *CfH? < 1318189323 722140 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as far as acronym expansion you can pretty much always get away with recursion. < 1318189333 132214 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHC = DHC Haskell Compiler < 1318189348 881414 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CfH = *CfH compiler for Haskell < 1318189381 287178 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better still: HaskellC < 1318189389 555912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: grose, imgagery < 1318189413 589328 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHC = Large Hadron Collider Haskell Compiler < 1318189414 184188 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invoking the Gregor compiler notation. < 1318189419 350004 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHC Haskell Compiler for short < 1318189422 967343 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, CakeProphet wins. < 1318189437 777780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I removed LHC from the "unused" list for a reason. < 1318189456 667911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: When has Gregor used that? < 1318189466 448699 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: plofc < 1318189474 121799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's lowercase. :p < 1318189479 839095 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's me being lazy. < 1318189480 769418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1318189487 745944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, plofc should be a C interpreter written in Plof. < 1318189492 709786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidence: {c,d}plof < 1318189499 857819 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, right. < 1318189503 426615 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it's definitely the best name for a haskell compiler. < 1318189510 240877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It's also taken. < 1318189520 537420 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHCHC is taken? < 1318189536 107685 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it taken by a haskell compiler? I think you're allowed to re-use acronyms < 1318189547 135108 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 米HC. There. < 1318189549 56841 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well no it would be LHC < 1318189556 886932 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could be LHCHC I guess < 1318189566 278210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The American Haskell Compiler. 米HC for short. < 1318189637 312392 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: LHC would be short for LHC Haskell Compiler, which is short for... yeah. < 1318189640 147574 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got it. < 1318189669 310064 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it "Hird's Compiler for Haskell" < 1318189677 209589 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then for bonus points port it to Hurd < 1318189714 134088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Jeff Bridges Haskell Compiler, or 男円HC. < 1318189722 877193 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1318189729 961406 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That... Doesn't make sense. < 1318189734 337262 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man-money? < 1318189735 763891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you're right. < 1318189748 45307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :円男HC. < 1318189753 30861 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Money-man? < 1318189761 63360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Tron-man. < 1318189764 892149 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or circle-man. < 1318189768 504723 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1318189769 595154 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1318189773 85772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1318189787 345530 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do with Jeff Bridges.. < 1318189805 612118 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-218.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me. < 1318189817 727375 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHC = The Dude Haskell Compiler < 1318189821 529389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some of his best-known films include Tron," < 1318189835 713973 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1318189843 963939 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not know the best-known films then. < 1318189875 712990 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SSyo7A8y_J4/TlxUY-DMBLI/AAAAAAAAAZc/Z4EeBuTl8AQ/s400/jeff_bridges2.jpeg < 1318189878 359570 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :captivating < 1318189909 662090 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :phc < 1318189912 441182 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pico haskell compiler < 1318189928 67248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Phantom_Haskell Compiler. < 1318189933 5859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Haskell < 1318189934 45183 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ahc - atheist haskell compiler, or ehc - elliott haskell compiler < 1318189945 677293 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1318189955 883935 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pico atheist: elliott. < 1318189966 346175 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pae < 1318190058 147704 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would it be unacceptable to use all uppercase for the module name? < 1318190067 105343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "Qhc" is unacceptable. < 1318190075 564369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"QHC" as much so. < 1318190075 910087 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I mean QHC < 1318190076 263716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other names may be acceptable uppercase. < 1318190078 713132 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. < 1318190085 831853 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like... < 1318190093 394396 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that acceptable for naming conventions. < 1318190098 448585 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to name modules in all caps. < 1318190103 481806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance phc/PHC is acceptable. < 1318190106 937312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phc is not. < 1318190140 214899 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see the problem with LHC. Acronyms are re-used all the time... < 1318190177 53117 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I don't approve of the Darwin Awards any more I liked being a misanthrope :( < 1318190189 823804 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Haskell: what. < 1318190191 979438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Haskell: Ha, I've been disapproving of them since before it was cool. < 1318190222 718244 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: me too dawg. I didn't even know it was cool. That's how cool I am. < 1318190227 415310 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :made cool cred up in here. < 1318190255 809271 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/made/mad/ < 1318190261 113079 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott call it dhc - dawkins haskell compiler < 1318190268 199468 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka shut up < 1318190276 73379 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1318190302 581749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1318190311 593 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1318190316 116121 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=|:{C < 1318190316 262731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even like Dawkins but your bitterness is hilarious. < 1318190316 952462 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1318190319 575143 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lhc, Mhc, Dhc, Ohc these are all good. < 1318190344 679101 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033012.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :told you, Dhc < 1318190349 435227 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, didn't you like him a while ago? < 1318190387 380607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Haskell: I liked him well enough but then he was terrible so I didn't any more. (I can elaborate in /msg if you want.) < 1318190991 566706 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318191043 674261 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/09/has-joel-spolsky-jumped-the-shark.html < 1318191056 220469 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwaitwait, I though Atwood and Spolsky loved each other. < 1318191123 745378 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dawkins < 1318191124 985291 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dawkins < 1318191126 319833 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dawkins < 1318191133 726155 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that and now I feel dirty. < 1318191212 588299 :jix!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318191228 884534 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, have you turned into some kind of antitheist chicken? < 1318191291 629432 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Haskell: dawkins < 1318191376 77454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Waitwaitwait, I though Atwood and Spolsky loved each other < 1318191377 66018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe date. < 1318191394 496123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Launched August 2008 < 1318191397 457563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--[[Stack Overflow]] < 1318191593 818104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1318191934 97521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Haskell: That article sure does have high-quality arguments: "At the risk of being rude, Joel is a pompous ass and hasn't said anything interesting for years. He's now also plainly gone completely insane, and the poor old dear should be taken out and shot..." < 1318191966 464245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/arguments/comments/ < 1318191974 406912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is words; furthermore, what are typing? < 1318192023 601260 :tiffnya!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318192142 66186 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318192233 796940 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318192572 229866 :tiffnya!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :tiffany < 1318192617 463349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our long national nightmare is over thanks to tiffany. < 1318192623 805670 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1318192716 931243 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318192783 455883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if a lexical context stack is ~as useful as a stack trace for Haskell. < 1318192798 505326 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On 11 July 1985, news reporter Peter Jennings interrupted General Hospital for a special news bulletin: After a mere 79 day furlough, the original-recipe Coke was back on the market as “Coca-Cola Classic.”" < 1318192799 972611 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1318192800 304792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's kind of non-trivial in some ways. < 1318192806 519231 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71.210.153.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318192814 552096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Haskell: Wouldn't you? < 1318192831 905527 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot to close that ~. < 1318192855 334068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1318192972 517206 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different ~ there < 1318192975 651385 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if a lexical context stack is ~as useful as a stack trace for Haskell. < 1318192984 217716 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ being "approximately" i assume < 1318192990 526500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Haskell: Yeah what monqy said. < 1318192994 635341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that all the time man jeez. < 1318193037 866321 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use them for ~sarcasm~ more. < 1318193040 685469 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318193040 831920 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1318193108 692124 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1318193109 779876 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-233.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318193834 781791 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1318193889 393311 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318194043 512521 :tiffany!~tiffany@fl-76-3-16-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318194288 768416 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1318194469 131251 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1318194547 779404 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1318194635 778382 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1318194870 541931 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is 'corridor' such a nice word? < 1318194939 697003 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1318194961 414870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. < 1318194975 898395 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71.210.153.125 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318195016 223374 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if elliott and I were actually the same person < 1318195029 763674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't. < 1318195036 488500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a miracle that I managed to say all my stupid lines under a different name. < 1318195041 446062 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know? < 1318195053 296732 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the reason elliott said < 1318195068 364177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to be a very good actor!! < 1318195095 512660 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1318195098 648608 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess you're right. < 1318195110 582404 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318195139 268233 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahahaha I was just acting I'm actually < 1318195144 875727 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lying < 1318195147 220503 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahahahaha < 1318195169 294085 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll never know whether or not elliott and I are the same person. < 1318195171 203565 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318195179 549754 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1318195200 513462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad I remembered to say that in my Stupid Window. < 1318195282 907615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did you pick a letter. < 1318195365 856661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no im bad at choices < 1318195403 561690 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :badhc, goodhc < 1318195425 580318 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://t.co/euelGmPG hello what is this < 1318195434 16103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phc is kind of tempting but Phantom_Haskell will never let me rest. < 1318195442 870716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm tempted to go with Atheist Haskell Compiler just for the hilarity. < 1318195459 52544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: ah. < 1318195485 17917 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're implementing Haskell now? < 1318195487 714234 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like someone took php and turned it into javascript, or C# < 1318195498 772890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = 3 < 1318195499 105790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = select name from foo where id < $n < 1318195499 252581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreach(a as key: value) { < 1318195499 252773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo "row: " + key + " name: " + value.name < 1318195499 252883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1318195499 940947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure how this is related to PHP < 1318195511 798252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: MAYBE...... < 1318195528 406545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Shut up I've had like two successful projects in a row that I'm still going at I can THINK BIG now I have mastered project management. < 1318195543 546087 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two? < 1318195543 888308 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zepto < 1318195549 579300 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-153-125.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318195561 806951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: shiro, mchost < 1318195561 960662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mchost, elliottcraft, @ < 1318195573 380994 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aqh,.. shiro < 1318195579 780638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aqh? < 1318195587 203195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to type ahh but it came out wronge < 1318195708 678527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally demand Deewiant retract his indignance < 1318195724 286501 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mchost successful? < 1318195737 2222 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't indignant, I just forgot about shiro < 1318195752 386732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's at a pretty good stage and has had sustained development for quite a while, so sure < 1318195764 639823 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1318195765 709010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it's not "done" but neither is Shiro :P < 1318195768 642162 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, what the hell? jigglypuff is top tier in ssbm now < 1318195845 32267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think a lexical context stack in Haskell is really easy < 1318195857 373406 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=294748 < 1318195873 516891 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: wat < 1318195884 129718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just push name, file, line and column information whenever you see a definition, and pop it when it ends, and the stack's state when you look at a definition is the lexical context. < 1318195886 103656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even include lambdas. < 1318195898 583664 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: my guess is some kind of lame infinite chaingrab combo thing < 1318195900 890731 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. < 1318195914 168144 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people figured out how to use rest proly < 1318195977 328318 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jigglypuff has always been stupidly high-tier. < 1318195997 900271 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but I mean < 1318195999 873236 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fox tier?!? < 1318196022 99345 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be because she had one or two boring air combos. < 1318196044 604169 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unrelated) ness has the best air moves in brawl... < 1318196053 524501 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I mean, not the best. they're just good. < 1318196069 318736 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you please stop being such a Ness fanboy. < 1318196085 431289 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't understand man < 1318196090 592104 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSYCHIC JAPANESE BOYS YESSSS < 1318196114 25821 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds like the kind of unsettling thing Madoka-Kaname says. < 1318196115 21212 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese? < 1318196186 308730 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, yes, what monqy said, we all know Ness is from whatever it was called. < 1318196194 709246 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eagleland was it < 1318196297 148961 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I wasn't sure. < 1318196316 212918 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he's obviously Japanese < 1318196325 869160 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just lives in a fantasy world. < 1318196332 844155 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is still Japanese. < 1318196359 515729 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in much the same way that everyone is Anglo-Saxon in LotR. < 1318196377 498397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1318196382 784581 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1318196411 239117 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318196412 60885 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1318196703 994843 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Pork City is a deep metaphorical exposition on obesity in America. < 1318196737 532740 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently writing my thesis on symbology in the earthbound series. < 1318196746 83868 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1318196859 190087 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone die and then come back to life to save the world? < 1318196862 971484 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's insta-Jesus reference. < 1318196903 975707 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1318197045 842893 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you Jesus? < 1318197098 248811 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe are you Jesus&? < 1318197132 646997 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can any Haskell compiler have something to compile into like the representation I have described for functional programming? It is not the same as GHC Core; mine lacks unsafe functions, casts, let, source info, and other things. The program is a list of expressions, a GlobalID indexes the program, and exported functions are given GlobalID numbers. < 1318197182 990285 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not any, no. < 1318197189 971857 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1318197224 277769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you know how such a thing could be made, or whether any Haskell compiler has similar features? < 1318197378 888087 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would need to know more about the intermediate form and how it works to answer the first question. and no I don't know the answer to the second question < 1318197386 856065 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muxin Wang. < 1318197426 619393 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you do let? < 1318197461 696874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You can transform let to lambda. < 1318197468 788323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even then eliminate lambda by doing lambda-lifting if you want. < 1318197495 747164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted the representation I had idea of, on this IRC, yesterday. < 1318197501 399023 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought about lambda but how do you do things like mutual recursion? < 1318197509 209107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was let, not letrec. < 1318197525 849300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Just float them to the top level with lambda-lifting. < 1318197544 19065 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did not actually have lambdas, instead it used Case [(LocalP, e)] for a lambda expression. < 1318197550 604596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.: Add every variable in scope as an argument to the definitions in the "let", float out to top level, eliminate unused parameters. < 1318197607 929621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a global is still capable of referencing itself; it also has support to have primitives if you need them. < 1318198317 617979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318199116 573686 :jix!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318199240 859272 :Phantom_Haskell!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1318199246 460339 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1318199350 881543 :CakeProphet!~eris@h184.26.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1318199351 28192 :CakeProphet!~eris@h184.26.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1318199351 28996 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1318199506 65170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1318199680 404578 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1318199683 82585 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1318200078 578064 :Lymee!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1318200841 584051 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.251.229.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1318200841 730460 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.251.229.235 QUIT :Changing host < 1318200841 730541 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1318200877 190920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: phc or qhc....... < 1318200893 867647 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :P is better than Q in this font at least but q is better than p aaaghhh < 1318200913 189326 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially next to h, q is so much better < 1318200922 911818 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully I didn't spew this in here: < 1318200924 222809 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by next to i mean as in qh not hq < 1318200926 864829 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo halt < 1318200928 172855 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :EllIoTTSuCkS < 1318200937 889790 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1318200946 654211 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: worry about frivolous things. make bad burns. < 1318200960 782374 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My screen blanked, and I tried to issue a clean shutdown. < 1318200967 864181 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> < 1318200993 843053 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1318200998 295430 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good password. < 1318201024 334631 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the alternating case doesn't alternate across double consonants. < 1318201037 197608 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice choice. < 1318201047 78013 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we're discussing the aesthetics of letters and case. < 1318201053 452485 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason. < 1318201112 709169 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hhc < 1318201116 814926 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell Haskell Compiler. < 1318201130 695360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: is that your pass < 1318201136 79725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :word < 1318201138 555188 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1318201139 733711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1318201143 190825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: learn to reisub nub < 1318201160 759592 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sysrq disabled. < 1318201190 735643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: why < 1318201198 566206 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Debian default, and too lazy to fix it. < 1318201200 611205 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh neat. < 1318201217 896712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq < 1318201225 45577 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1318201229 977346 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still need to put it into init or something. < 1318201266 154063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: echo '/proc/sys/kernel/sysrq = 1' >>/etc/sysctl.conf < 1318201282 607309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXTREME DIFFICULTY < 1318201296 546082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1318201302 402972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'sys.kernel.sysrq = 1' >>/etc/sysctl.conf < 1318201306 225210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my badde < 1318201313 232935 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^; < 1318201328 675093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it now or i will most verily get mad < 1318201348 253863 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it on by default in ubuntu? < 1318201391 461807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tias < 1318201400 256751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else... maybe... cat /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq?????? < 1318201434 641742 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1318201446 298636 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I dislike remembering your obscure acronyms. < 1318201499 47905 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I believe I've already mentioned tihs < 1318201507 847231 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't own a Target Identification and Acquisition System. < 1318201530 881439 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1318201780 806637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1318202919 558321 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1318203585 972070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: phc or qhc.... < 1318203593 712809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Phc/PHC or Qhc/QHC for the module name < 1318203614 691116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phc -- the open source PHP compiler < 1318203614 854268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.phpcompiler.org/ < 1318203615 1088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 Sep 2011 – What is phc? phc is an open source compiler for PHP with support for plugins. In addition, it can be used to pretty-print or obfuscate PHP code, ... < 1318203619 612132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh man, now you only have one question to answer < 1318203621 436133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Qhc or QHC < 1318203624 464989 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaa < 1318203644 582746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that aaaaaaaaa to the question or to phc < 1318203647 59780 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both ugly in their own special ways ;_; < 1318203651 587034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the qusetion < 1318203701 530884 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qhc is imbalance but QHC has lots of caps < 1318203722 674187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the other compilers use? < 1318203732 151179 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconsistent across them? < 1318203781 792259 :sllide!~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1318203792 515041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jhc uses Jhc for like primitive parts of its standard library, and unprefixed things for others like FrontEnd.Blah and E.Blah; GHC uses GHC for primitive parts of its standard library and non-portable stuff, and maybe parts of the compiler I dunno, and doesn't have a prefix outside of that < 1318203883 652753 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :decisions :( < 1318203899 891045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could look at UHC I guess < 1318203903 559385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is.... Utrehct............. < 1318203908 582030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh and Yhc uses Yhc but it's /called/ Yhc < 1318203913 533171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jhc is called jhc and GHC is called GHC) < 1318203992 319881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how the fuck is this thing organised < 1318204008 538905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have no idea about uhc < 1318204024 183878 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :utrehct < 1318204049 56604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1318204050 800962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :utrecht < 1318204198 281162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: qhc or QHC HELp[;,............ < 1318204199 248687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1318204199 590492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qhc < 1318204204 894648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm leaning towards Qhc because QHC yuck < 1318204221 58457 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1318204249 804863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ehpl < 1318204275 414761 :CakeProphet!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :QHC is way better than Qhc < 1318204280 115207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im bad at leaning when both are so yukc.....but if there must be a choice,,, < 1318204325 694163 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only lowercase module names :( < 1318204338 364891 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qHC (dont worrY: im just kidding) < 1318204349 209239 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-215-70.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ha ha h ha) < 1318204593 951308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: except the name of the compiler is qhc