00:00:05 Unless you're fluentish you might not notice the syllable boundaries that well 00:00:18 And claiming Chinese people speak Chinese is a bit like claiming European people speak Latin. 00:00:23 Yes, just if a receptionist recognize different language, that can possibly work too. 00:00:24 yeah, but i can lump (each chinese language) apart from japanese at least 00:00:26 And e.g. "desu" isn't typically pronounced with a noticeable "u" :-P 00:00:26 so meh. 00:00:29 True, true. 00:00:32 Deewiant: but it's spelled with it 00:00:42 i know the u is generally silent :) 00:00:48 Deewiant: Is if you're a girl. 00:00:50 :) 00:00:53 myndzi: Sure, but we were talking about hearing comprehension, no? 00:00:53 haha 00:00:57 yeah, but if you're a girl 00:01:01 pikhq: In anime :-P 00:01:02 you give yoruself away with all the nyans 00:01:05 ;) 00:01:16 To be exact, a teenage girl 00:01:24 heh heh 00:01:52 Deewiant: Well, yeah... It does have a particularly, I dunno, *ditzy* feel to it. 00:02:11 Somewhat like saying "Like, yeah, totally" 00:02:58 i'm not a fan of this kind of thing in general, but this was pretty interesting: 00:02:59 http://www.sporcle.com/games/lukebradford/guessthelanguage 00:03:05 " And claiming Chinese people speak Chinese is a bit like claiming European people speak Latin." <-- isn't it more like claiming we speak european? 00:03:11 i got more than i thought i would 00:04:40 but I think we should rather fix the stigma associated with being ignorant about far-away places, we don't know shit about them and they probably don't know shit about us 00:04:50 -!- Taneb has joined. 00:04:51 olsner: Ish. Except that the Chinese languages largely derive from a single language that one *could* plausibly call "Chinese". 00:05:01 Wow, I think I may actually be drunk 00:05:18 well, i don't know enough about chinese to distinguish, say, mandarin 00:05:29 With Classical Chinese I *think* being the prestige form of said language? 00:05:35 well, the european languages are largely all indo-european too... not all latin, but latin/germanic 00:05:36 so i just said 'chinese' to refer to the language group in general 00:05:45 not to express that there was only one of them 00:05:46 (except the exceptions...) 00:05:54 olsner: explain HUngarian 00:05:57 ninja'd 00:06:01 olsner: It also bears the similar property that Latin was for ages the lingua franca. 00:06:04 There was a whole session (6 papers) of language identification in a recent conference I was. And NIST has a bi-yearly (well, 2003 .. 2009; I don't see results for 2011) competition about it. 00:06:11 Much like Classical Chinese was for ages the lingua franca. 00:06:26 myndzi: I couldn't reliably do that either. 00:06:52 Of course, the closest I can get to "speaking 'Chinese'" is some strange sort of pidgin if I'm really pressed. 00:08:26 the closest i can get to "speaking 'Chinese'" is ching chow 00:08:27 :P 00:09:22 who's the poorest chinese? tom peng pung 00:09:37 Apparently if you give them 30 seconds of conversational telephone speech, the best systems in 2009, if allowed a 2% "miss" (as in, "uh, I dunno") rate, get around 98% correct, for the NIST LRE "closed set" task, which is 12 languages. (And around 90% correct with 10% miss rate if you only give them three seconds to work with.) 00:09:46 (== empty money pouch in swedish, it's hilarious!) 00:10:03 myndzi: 33/36 in five minutes, with a couple of guesses that took most of the time 00:10:10 nice. 00:10:20 olsner: There's quite a number Finnish equally "hilarious" "jokes" too. 00:10:25 The first column went in less than a minute, I think :-P 00:10:33 yeah 00:10:36 first column was pretty easy 00:10:52 Yokohama Humahuta, the famous Japanese boxer. 00:11:14 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Page closed). 00:11:25 fizzie: there's also ranta runtiringen, the infamously bad finnish boxer :) 00:11:47 With that sort of surname, he's probably from Sweden originally. 00:12:21 And the Russian gynecologist, Nikolai Kopeloi. 00:12:27 the pun probably doesn't work as well if you *actually* know how finnish surnames sound 00:12:36 That's certainly not a Japanese surname; "hu" is an invalid mora in Japanese. 00:12:58 Yes, I don't think they strive for very much linguistic accuracy in these. 00:13:00 pikhq: found a map where fuji was called huzi once 00:13:02 Alas. 00:13:21 olsner: That's the result of a fairly pedantic romanisation. 00:14:25 what do you mean "hu" is an invalid mora? 00:14:29 or do you just mean it should be fu? :P 00:15:16 olsner: The kana for "fu" in the table is in the "h" row, but it's invariably pronounced as something rather close to "fu" rather than "hu". 00:15:22 myndzi: Just that it should be "fu". 00:15:48 heh 00:15:56 it's a VERY light f in many cases 00:15:58 olsner: Also, the kana for "shi" is in the "s" row, but pronounced as "shi", and the voiced version of that is pronounced "ji" instead of "zi". 00:16:13 the way we pronounce f involves the teeth touching the lip pretty much 00:16:46 but the way fu/hu is pronounced can often be the barest closing of the mouth from a fully open 'h' 00:17:06 pikhq: yeah, I know... but isn't that just a matter of romanization whether it's f or h (and z or j)? I'd be happy to say that it "is" an h but h is pronounced weirdly with some vowels 00:17:08 myndzi: There's a reason I said "close to". It's one of the phonemes in Japanese that doesn't really match anything in English. 00:17:28 yeah. but because of that i would certainly not call it invalid in either spelling 00:17:54 myndzi: Bah. 00:18:02 * myndzi shrugs 00:18:08 i was only curious if i was missing something ;) 00:18:18 i'm a self-confessed gringo when it comes to most languages 00:18:30 but i know more about japanese and spanish than "absolutely nothing" 00:20:26 saturn as wikipedia's featured article? i thought they'd have run out of planets long ago 00:20:40 Maybe they changed it a lot since then 00:21:29 The reason you write "hu" or "fu" is just whether you use grid romaji or sound romaji. 00:22:32 does grid romaji actually exist except as something you can make up according to how the grid looks? 00:23:04 hm indeed the talk page says it was featured four years ago 00:23:17 I'm guessing he's just using it as a way to describe the two differing approaches in Romanization of Japanese. 00:23:18 olsner: I don't know. I don't even know if "grid romaji" is a standard term for such things 00:23:41 i.e. the distinction between nihon-shiki and Hepburn. 00:30:13 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 00:36:27 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:37:49 kallisti, UPDOOT 00:38:20 List of lies about the computer game: * The sliders on the title screen are not real sliders. * Most of the levels have yellow borders. * There is no URL to download this game. * The scoring system is really bad. * In one level you have to go through a corridor of lava with a windy potion and then quickly retreat from danger. 00:39:08 * Half of the levels in this game are impossible to complete. * You have to go through the water in the wrong direction; but this is, of course, impossible. * Killing enemies potions are good for you. * This game is bad because Hitler played it. * This game is for DOS computers only. * Some of the puzzles do not work correctly except on the author's computer. 00:39:33 * Torches in Part I work correctly, while torches in Part II do not work correctly. * MagicGems are exactly like ZZT gems. * BIG_MONSTER is bad and you should kill them, please. * The award of completing this game is torture. 00:39:47 Invent another computer game and make up a list of lies about that computer game. 00:41:15 zzo38: hm. Do you mean that Japanese doesn't have "h" and "f" as separate phonemes; it's just that the "h" phoneme sounds like "f" when it comes before "u"? 00:42:05 tswett: Sort of. Actually, it is a letter "fu" belonging to the same consonant group as the one with "h". But the sound is similar to "hu" or "fu" but not quite either one. 00:43:28 tswett: Is this understandable to you? 00:44:18 I guess either we're sort of talking past each other, or I don't really understand what you said. 00:45:44 tswett: "h" and "f" are seperate phonemes, but morae with "f" and vowels other than "u" are only in loan words. 00:46:20 pikhq: *nod* And does "hu", distinct from "fu", occur in native words? 00:46:31 No. 00:46:51 Nor in loan words. 00:47:37 * tswett nods. 00:49:29 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 00:50:38 I had an idea; make chess variant game, your pieces has three your quarks, opponent pieces has three opponent quarks, and neutral pieces has one your quark and one opponent quark. Including swapping out quark and redrop captured pieces like shogi game does. 00:55:48 "Uh, is this move legal?" "I think so. The path integral converges." 00:56:05 * Phantom_Hoover → sleep 00:56:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:00:01 Also: perhaps the worst bit about Japanese romanisation is that, unless you diverge from the standard, you cannot entirely romanise Japanese. 01:00:09 s/standard/standards/ 01:00:39 Largely courtesy of them having no way of handling certain loan words. 01:10:48 I'm pretty sure the reason for that is the loan words that screw them up being newer than the romanisation schemes, which are invariably late 1800s inventions. 01:24:56 You could use the other forms of loan words 01:28:19 That presents some *incredible* oddities. 01:31:10 pikhq: solution: everyone speaks English instead. 01:32:38 That's a terrible solution, particularly for Japan. 01:32:52 Engrish is the direct result of their terrible English. 01:51:01 -!- Betawolf33 has joined. 01:51:58 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:55:10 -!- shachaf_ has joined. 01:55:37 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 01:56:26 -!- Deewiant_ has joined. 01:57:07 -!- Betawolf has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:57:09 -!- shachaf has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:57:10 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:59:16 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:05:28 "When you are stupid enough to lose to an eleven year old, is it okay 02:05:50 "When you are stupid enough to lose to an eleven year old, is it okay to claim that he can not claim the win because he was stupid too and said check instead of checkmate?" 02:06:20 I don't think that is how chess works..... 02:06:48 it's not okay 02:10:57 I know you are not supposed to claim that he cannot claim the win because he said check instead of checkmate. Sometimes in the chess variants people ask some of these kind of question in "FAQ of chess rules" and also in "How to contact us" (which is not for chess rules; it is for the site in general). 02:11:47 There are things like "WRONG! This connection does not have SMTP enabled. Already wrote to the chess federation in form..." and simply "i hate it" and "listen i cant get on the sight and i want my money back ive been trying since yesterday and its not my computer its the sight i wish someone would email me back melissa" (no email address was specified) 02:13:01 Aren't "check" and "checkmate" mere formalities? 02:13:29 With the actual status of check and checkmate being solely based (as far as the rules are concerned) on board state 02:13:42 pikhq: Yes, I think so. Actual status is board state. 02:15:01 There have been fun things that have happened in tournament games 02:15:02 But these people ask questions where these questions don't belong (there are other comment forms to send these questions) 02:15:08 Jafet: Describe example please? 02:15:27 Like someone castling twice (and neither player remembered that he'd already castled) 02:16:06 And I think there has been a game where both players missed a check 02:16:34 So the checked player didn't move out of check 02:16:45 And the checking player proceeded to do something else 02:17:10 The question about calling checkmate has been asked previously anyways, same site but wrong form: "When an opponent puts you in checkmate but does not realize it and calls check, is it still checkmate or does the fact that he did not call checkmate have some bearing?" 02:21:43 Do you know about Luzhanqi? It is Chinese game with some similar to Stratego. 02:23:33 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:24:21 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 02:52:00 -!- DCliche has joined. 02:55:25 -!- Klisz has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 02:56:18 -!- madbr has joined. 02:56:36 hey 02:58:15 I'm looking at weird sortof semi-non-deterministic languages to see if I can come up with something really nice but still turing complete :D 02:59:54 atm I'm looking at something where a program is essentially a math expression using logic operators (& | !) and math expressions with only + - variables and constants that evaluate to true if the result is 0 03:00:33 basically the whole logic operation must be true for any set of values for the variables 03:03:14 so for instance, you can make "a" equal to true by doing 03:03:19 uh 03:03:24 so for instance, you can make "a" equal to 5 by doing 03:03:26 a-5 03:03:54 if a is anything else than 5, the expression is obviously going to evaluate to non-0 and thus be false 03:06:13 This sounds like the prolog to something good 03:06:29 heh yeah 03:06:47 haven't used prolog much but it's probably similar yes 03:07:23 I'm fairly sure it's turing complete too 03:14:19 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:20:18 -!- madbr has joined. 03:28:25 yeah, hmm, a turing machine-like program would be defined as 03:28:26 (program definition involving ip val nip nval dptr) & ((initial state) | (transition rule)) 03:37:25 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:43:26 -!- madbr has joined. 03:45:41 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:46:58 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 03:48:06 -!- madbr has joined. 03:48:35 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 03:48:53 -!- variable has changed nick to const. 04:00:44 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:03:50 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:08:59 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: 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Then, subtraction makes equality as well 04:50:26 yep 04:52:14 program definition looks something like 04:54:37 (!j-0 | !v-0 | (nj-# & nv-# & dp-#)) & 04:54:43 (!j-1 | !v-0 | (nj-# & nv-# & dp-#)) & 04:54:47 (!j-2 | !v-0 | (nj-# & nv-# & dp-#)) & 04:54:49 .. 04:54:59 (!j-0 | !v-1 | (nj-# & nv-# & dp-#)) & 04:55:03 (!j-1 | !v-1 | (nj-# & nv-# & dp-#)) & 04:55:07 (!j-2 | !v-1 | (nj-# & nv-# & dp-#)) & 04:55:08 .. 04:55:10 What does the # mean? 04:55:10 etc 04:55:32 # has to be replaced by a numeric value depending on the program 04:55:37 OK 04:55:39 basically this means 04:56:18 OK I can understand it now. 04:57:56 for a given state(j) and value(v) on the infinite tape, new state(nj) is (first #), new value(nv) is (second #), tape moves (third #) values 04:58:06 (dp = tape movement) 04:58:45 OK. 05:02:40 the other major thing it does is define a new state from an old one 05:04:01 general structure is (program definition)&((first state value)|(new state value given previous state)) 05:04:18 so once a program is defined, that always stands 05:04:56 a valid state meanwhile is either the starting state, or a new state defined from a previous valid state (including the starting state) 05:05:13 here the starting state is (i & tv & p & j) 05:06:55 in other words, i=0 (iteration number), tv=0 for all values of tp (data array/infinite tape), p=0 (data pointer/tape position), j=0 (current state) 05:07:09 j is basically the instruction pointer 05:07:53 then it builds a new state from a preceding state 05:08:18 (i+1-ni & p+dp-np & (!tp-p | (v-tv & ntv-nv)) & (tp-p | (ntv-tv)) 05:08:55 uh 05:08:58 i+1-ni & p+dp-np & (!tp-p | (v-tv & ntv-nv)) & (tp-p | (ntv-tv)) 05:09:34 ni=i+1 (new iteration number is old one incremented of course) 05:10:15 np=p+dp (increase data pointer by dp, which is found from the program) 05:11:24 next statement basically means: if tp=p, v=tv and also ntv = nv 05:12:34 ie if the currently examined array index is the same as the data pointer, then v is the current array value (which it's going to use to figure out where to jump etc...) 05:13:12 and ntv (new value at currently examined index) is nv (from program) 05:13:48 then there's (tp-p | (ntv-tv)) which means: if tp!=p, then ntv = tv 05:14:08 ie otherwise new array value stays the same 05:15:12 the trick to those 2 parts is that they're a logical OR, so one part has to be true 05:15:49 if the part on the left (the condition) is false, then the part on the right has to be true 05:16:16 but if the condition is true, then the part on the right can be true or false or anything and has no effect 05:17:46 so from the old state (i tv tp p j) we have a new state (ni ntv ntp np nj) 05:19:05 so now we just have to "write" this new state back to the old variables 05:19:13 hence the lines 05:19:16 & i+p-ni-np & i-p-ni+np & i+j-ni-nj & i-j-ni+nj 05:19:27 & i+tv+tp-ni-ntv-tp & i+tv-tp-ni-ntv+tp & i-tv+tp-ni+ntv-tp 05:20:27 ie we have a i,p and a ni,np pair 05:20:45 what we're doing is 05:20:58 i+p=ni+np 05:21:00 and 05:21:05 i-p=ni-np 05:21:32 hmm 05:22:07 now I wonder if that's necessary 05:22:27 might be possible to just go 05:23:22 i-ni & p-np & j-nj & tv-ntv 05:23:56 hmm, yeah, a lot simpler and i think it should work 05:25:06 hmm 05:25:10 or maybe not 05:31:08 damn this is complicated :D 05:35:54 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:40:05 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:44:00 -!- madbr has joined. 05:48:20 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:54:21 -!- madbr has joined. 05:58:47 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:04:34 -!- madbr has joined. 06:05:13 (program: use j v to give values to nv nj dp) & 06:05:13 ((i & tv & p & j) | 06:05:13 !(i+1-ni & p+dp-np & (!tp-p | (v-tv & ntv-nv)) & (tp-p | (ntv-tv))) | 06:05:13 (i-ni & p-np & j-nj & tv-ntv)) 06:05:19 there 06:06:47 hum 06:09:14 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:12:46 -!- madbr has joined. 06:14:58 madbr mad 06:40:11 my router doesnt like freenode :( 06:41:36 -!- calamari has joined. 06:45:35 -!- hagb4rd2 has joined. 06:48:18 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 06:50:41 I'd feel kind of bad running a bot on #esoteric that wasn't written in an esolang 06:50:45 unless you count perl as an esolang. 06:53:06 problem is, many esolangs don't have all the OS ties you'd need 06:53:07 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:56:25 calamari: not to mention I already have a working IRC bot in perl. :P 06:56:54 -!- DCliche has quit (Quit: You are now graced with my absence.). 06:56:56 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:57:46 -!- calamari has joined. 06:58:34 -!- mtve has joined. 06:59:12 -!- madbr has joined. 07:01:29 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:07:31 -!- madbr has joined. 07:09:44 -!- madbr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:15:41 -!- madbr has joined. 07:16:07 -!- madbr has quit (Client Quit). 07:17:43 PSOX can provide some OS ties 07:17:47 At least to networking stuff 07:31:04 -!- derrik has joined. 07:45:47 well connecting stdin to freenode is not an issue 07:46:00 but maintaining multiple connections would be. 07:49:30 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 07:54:39 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 08:41:01 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:17:26 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 09:17:26 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 09:17:26 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 09:18:28 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:44:24 -!- elliott has joined. 09:48:53 17:08:31: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Christopher_Nolan_at_WonderCon_2010_1.JPG 09:48:53 17:08:33: Wait what. 09:48:53 17:08:35: No. 09:48:53 17:08:41: Nolan does not look like that. 09:48:53 elliott: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 09:48:59 in my mind christopher nolan is leonardo dicaprio 09:52:11 17:58:22: I guess. But normally I suppose you'd just use whatever they call themselves; the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric or whatever. 09:52:16 fizzie: I thought that was parody until I googled "Paratheo-Anametamystikhood". 09:55:33 20:52:48: I find it annoying when they only have month/day but not year 09:55:38 Deewiant_: Twitter does this and it's infuriating 09:56:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:57:13 22:57:25: i don't know about its type logic use, it's just the obvious way i'd try it 09:57:17 they're just dependent tuples 09:57:59 Hello lambdabot. 09:57:59 Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 10:10:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:10:35 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:10:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 10:10:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:14:34 -!- kallisti has changed nick to lambduhbot. 10:14:38 Phantom_Hoover: sup 10:14:59 -!- lambduhbot has changed nick to kallisti. 10:15:37 kallisti, still hurting from the breakup? 10:17:24 -!- Slereah has joined. 10:18:09 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:33:07 02:05:50: "When you are stupid enough to lose to an eleven year old, is it okay to claim that he can not claim the win because he was stupid too and said check instead of checkmate?" 10:33:07 02:06:20: I don't think that is how chess works..... 10:33:11 I can confirm that this is how chess works. 10:40:22 Phantom_Hoover: wat 10:40:24 which 10:41:14 with lambdabot. 10:41:55 yes. ;_; 10:48:11 why does the emacs window appear just a bit too low for me to see the minibuffer 10:48:14 so annoying. 10:48:23 I always have to drag it up or maximize 10:54:49 -!- Deewiant_ has changed nick to Deewiant. 10:59:39 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 11:07:35 -!- derdon has joined. 11:14:06 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:17:02 hi oerjan 11:17:04 hoerjan 11:17:15 helliott 11:22:19 hmmm, I can't seem to find a package for Firefox 7 on Ubuntu 11:23:50 I don't think they bother including older-than-the-current-default versions. If you mean the official rebbository. 11:24:41 yess 11:25:03 kallisti: why do you want it 11:25:18 fizzie: so if i'm reading this log right you actually reached an agreement with myndzi??? or did you just give up 11:25:28 elliott: firefox 8 doesn't work with this other thing I'm using -secretive- 11:25:30 elliott: I think we reached an agreement, yes. 11:25:41 fizzie: help i can't believe? 11:25:45 kallisti: fix the thing 11:26:23 elliott: noep 11:26:54 kallisti: You could try dpkg-installing one of the 7.0 .debs from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+package/firefox 11:27:18 wow why is the firefox homepage so shitty. 11:27:21 fizzie: Assuming he wants to uninstall his current Firefox. 11:27:27 "want an older firefox version? here's 3.6!" 11:27:27 elliott: Right, assuming that. 11:27:34 it's already uninstalled 11:27:52 what is "nobinonly" 11:28:00 fizzie: Is the next codename really "precise"? 11:28:08 That's terrible. 11:28:49 elliott: Precise Pangolin, yes. 11:29:12 fizzie: Well the Pangolin bit is fine, "precise" is just not a very... fun thing to have in source lists and the like. 11:29:25 Feels more like a setting or... advertising attribute than a name. 11:29:39 fizzie: (Although I have to wonder why they don't make the animal name the codename part.) 11:29:45 Uninspired Ubuntulike 11:29:45 Actually there seem to be some 7.0's also in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+package/firefox 11:29:49 Those might be a better bet. 11:30:35 I just hit the 'precise' versions first when furiously clicking around in Launchpad. 11:31:00 I'm almost positive this is the same packge but... I'll try it anyway 11:31:11 fizzie: They should have gone with Pink Panther. :'( 11:31:27 Powerful Panda 11:31:57 Pink Panda 11:32:03 Precise Panda 11:34:04 Pugnacious Panda? 11:34:06 Putrid Panda? 11:34:10 * kallisti shouldn't name things 11:35:07 The suggestions page is not exactly better. Though Psychedelic Penguin would have been possibly interesting to explain in stuffy corporate situations. 11:35:23 `word 26 11:35:31 veinneilion combchiroxiviloadra caneraguftls zinaidnercycackingnat kerndra pontiul ziners relsocrutiona ce enlerd diintle surbramenolleybdon jyob an lux elienty unsa ging na ate worici ze he hibrardceifterufhamirp li ste 11:36:03 Pontiul Panda 11:36:20 I have no idea what "hunspell-en-ca" is but I'm going to remove it because this package wants me to 11:36:59 Probably the canadian-english data files for hunspell, which is what OOoOooOOo and Firefox use as their spellchecker eggine. 11:37:27 Then you can't spellcheck in Canadianese. :/ 11:37:31 noooooooo 11:37:36 well it says it's provided but something else 11:37:38 so... whatever 11:37:47 and now hunspel-en-us 11:37:49 FUCK YOU 11:38:50 Dependency is not satisfiable: libstdc++6 (>= 4.6) 11:38:52 fffffffffffffffffff 11:39:33 Are you actually running oneiric? 11:39:50 -!- derrik has quit (Quit: gone). 11:41:43 oh, right 11:41:44 no 11:41:44 natty 11:42:45 Out of luck, then, since https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+package/firefox just has 3.6 and 8.0. 11:43:00 Maybe some other place in their PPAs has a 7.0 build, who knows. 11:43:10 It's all so confuzzling. 11:47:23 ghdfgfyjdfhdj' 11:48:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:51:32 kallisti: You could just use the Mozilla binaries. 11:52:38 mozillas homepage is dumb 11:53:44 kallisti: you're dumb 11:54:33 also im cold 11:54:36 the only versions I see available from mozilla are 3.6 and 8 11:55:13 kallisti: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ 11:55:24 hmm that doesn't have 7 11:55:26 kallisti: just compile it yrself 11:55:34 if you really want it 11:55:44 http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/0.8.html 11:55:59 fiiiine 11:56:09 kallisti: or 11:56:10 kallisti: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/7.0.1/releasenotes/ 11:56:10 "3.0.19-real-real", the best directory name. 11:56:23 no download links 11:56:37 you're really not meant to downgrade firefox these days methinks 11:56:44 "release channel" and all that 11:56:47 It's not in the "channel" any more, right. 11:56:48 elliott: for some reason they only have binaries for 8 and 3.6 which is now ancient. 11:57:06 kallisti: does 3.6 not work for what you want to do 11:57:07 elliott: but I'll just compile from source for now 11:57:08 which will be 11:57:08 and MAYBE 11:57:09 3.6.x is still kept security-updated, it's not "ancient". 11:57:10 use something briefly 11:57:12 actually fix the problem eventually 11:57:13 for backwards compat reasons 11:57:15 elliott: it might 11:57:21 and then upgrade again 11:57:23 kallisti: dude 11:57:28 kallisti: do you have any idea how long compiling firefox takes 11:57:38 um..... 11:57:39 no 11:57:43 hours 11:57:48 It'd be faster to dist-upgrade to oneiric and use that deb. :p 11:57:52 elliott: my god 11:57:55 I'll have to like 11:57:58 SLEEP THROUGH IT 11:57:59 THE HORROR 11:58:09 kallisti: with the fans on full-blast because it uses all your CPU? 11:58:14 that's fine 11:58:22 I've got this awesome secondary cooling pad thing 11:58:36 oh hmmm this might be a binary actually 11:58:46 * elliott gives up. 11:59:20 yes the tarball comes with a precompiled binary 11:59:34 PERHAPS AN INSTALL SCRIPT AS WELL? HMMMMM 11:59:38 * kallisti searches. 11:59:40 it's called autoconf 11:59:59 kallisti: you're searching for something that you won't find because you're looking in the wrong place. 12:00:15 elliott: could you possibly be any more vague? 12:00:21 I need you to be more vague 12:00:21 it's called autoconf 12:00:23 or I won't understan 12:00:24 d 12:00:25 easily, considering i told you the answer 12:00:48 ...so you're saying there's no autoconf? okay. 12:01:18 kallisti: do you have to practice being this dense 12:01:25 no. 12:01:28 talent 12:01:36 you could just be direct and explain wtf you're getting at though. 12:01:43 because it's not clear. 12:02:13 PERHAPS AN INSTALL SCRIPT AS WELL? HMMMMM 12:02:13 * kallisti searches. 12:02:13 it's called autoconf 12:02:19 yes? 12:02:19 and? 12:02:32 you're really dumb 12:02:36 that doesn't convey at all what you're saying. other than: "use autoconf maybe" 12:02:39 which 12:02:43 I already gathered 12:02:47 from you saying 12:02:50 it's called autoconf 12:03:03 then what are you searching for 12:03:14 a .ac file? 12:03:16 or configure? 12:03:17 but 12:03:19 there isn't one 12:03:39