< 1323216083 301501 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-249-140.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1323216091 208631 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\note{Why does Kjugobe's note have a reference to a footnote in this book?} < 1323216166 884135 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-249-140.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323216458 457830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My D&D character (Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe) wrote a note while in prison. In the recording, I added a footnote reference in the note text, and it is a reference to a footnote in the recording book (not in the Kjugobe's note itself!). The footnote says "Why does Kjugobe's note have a reference to a footnote in this book?" < 1323216812 175572 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Beware, bad joke ahead) < 1323216813 982691 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTECEPTION < 1323217152 299696 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "NOTECEPTION" mean? < 1323217648 825120 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-111.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323217660 498652 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-225.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323218095 344395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of books writing? < 1323218149 125734 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: noteception is a horrible joke referencing the movie Inception < 1323218154 260973 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which features nested dreaming. < 1323218256 520144 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1323218266 544648 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have seen that movie. And I thought of a few things relating to the book called Godel, Escher, Bach. I thought someone on the team that made that movie had read that book but the other people said it didn't. And then I looked it up and found that I was correct, I think it was the people who wrote the music for that movie < 1323219085 699070 :Libster`!47bf908c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.191.144.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323219525 561327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Libster` < 1323219529 23842 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libster`: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1323219900 470604 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1323219928 875780 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT : < 1323219937 895348 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323220966 983406 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean anything when the ascendant is square to the midheaven (meaning they are 90 degrees apart)? I know it means the descendant and antiheaven and midheaven and ascendant are all 90 degrees (or 180 degrees) apart from each other. And it occurs at 13:10 today in my local timezone and local area. And at 01:08 tomorrow (twice per day). < 1323220973 548832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow it is at 13:06 < 1323220995 635392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day after at 13:02 < 1323221442 829960 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323221520 498209 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323221949 593238 :tiffany!~AndChat@fl-76-3-23-179.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323221981 890251 :tiffany!~AndChat@fl-76-3-23-179.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PART :#esoteric < 1323222252 653118 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1323222576 689441 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, something that comes to mind... would being able to have multiple things call a function and returning possibly different values for each caller be a good thing or a bad thing? < 1323222612 13731 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: In what context? What program are you trying to write? < 1323222629 44414 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all that sure < 1323222669 847592 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you have a bank vault system < 1323222682 765143 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually zzo38, are you familiar with functional programming languages? < 1323222905 669346 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Yes I am familiar with functional programming < 1323222911 49124 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbqh i'm not entirely sure how this would work < 1323223057 335876 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: perl allows things of that nature. < 1323223068 678545 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't mean "return foo, bar" < 1323223078 140128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In pure functional programming such as Haskell and whatever, no function should ever return different results when given the same parameters, although a macro might do so (Haskell doesn't have macros, though) < 1323223083 905646 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean having multiple things calling a function from different "ports" < 1323223094 83509 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :or soemthing liek that < 1323223103 451671 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: wat < 1323223108 193493 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff dealing with those would get different return values < 1323223119 651231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Could you make parameters? I think Haskell can do something like that with classes, and Perl can probably do that too, in a different way < 1323223120 803813 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on which end they went in < 1323223166 216036 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Haskell program can return different thing depending on the types by defining the instance for each type. And in Perl, I think you can define in terms of scalar or vector or numeric or boolean context, or whatever < 1323223169 693314 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. funct spi_a(msg_a) spi_b(msg_b) { touch(msg_b); return(spi_b) msg_a; return(spi_a) msg_b; } < 1323223190 737573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: O, now I understand what you mean. < 1323223216 594918 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread A: r = msg_a("bacon"); \ thread B: r = msg_b("cheese"); < 1323223226 567219 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, context A and context B, that is < 1323223235 493672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now I think I understand better. < 1323223358 989172 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just not sure how that would work in the grand scheme of things or why you would even bother aside from a few rare cases < 1323223373 564059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know quite how that would work either. < 1323223407 189868 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be useful for functional programming, though, but i think you could just create ports of some form < 1323223421 610206 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, spew an infinite list even < 1323223435 321046 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't think that would make much sense < 1323223447 621365 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the context of I/O < 1323223479 5117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you describe exactly how your example program is going to work? < 1323223509 558953 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually it's doable in OO < 1323223514 582844 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my idea needs refining :/ < 1323223543 750591 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might be thinking of a case where you'd use call/cc < 1323223549 179671 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Describe what output you are expecting. Is "msg_a" the name of the function call or the parameter? < 1323223567 138612 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :parameter < 1323223615 137109 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what does r = msg_a("bacon"); mean? < 1323223662 111807 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are "spi_a" and "spi_b" two names for the same function? < 1323223679 614132 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :two interfaces to the same function, yielding two potentially different results < 1323223700 698487 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might be thinking of "yield", as opposed to "call/cc" < 1323223736 783625 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh dammit < 1323223902 517029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1323225181 816199 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323225238 553951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in which programming language(s) do you attempt to make something like that? < 1323225700 996253 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be a custom job < 1323226042 558933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many programming languages have yield and call/cc. Can you give any better examples including expected output of what you are trying to make? < 1323226315 309274 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i can't , sorry < 1323226367 241015 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least a better description of what you are trying to make (even if you don't have examples)? < 1323227540 112845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I'm guessing perl contexts doesn't really count as this concept? < 1323228126 980009 :rakesh!~Lairc@108-199-0-254.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323228132 25236 :rakesh!~Lairc@108-199-0-254.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1323228135 11833 :rakesh!~Lairc@108-199-0-254.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who i sthis < 1323228137 109941 :rakesh!~Lairc@108-199-0-254.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the god < 1323228167 492240 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-225.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323228172 62611 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323228195 815532 :rakesh!~Lairc@108-199-0-254.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323229101 455367 :Rakesh!~Lairc@108-199-0-254.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323229572 912910 :Rakesh!~Lairc@108-199-0-254.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323230427 876588 :Hgg!~Lairc@108-199-0-254.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323231055 930623 :Hgg!~Lairc@108-199-0-254.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323231519 560241 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-249-140.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323231545 834132 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-207-252.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1323231734 78169 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f8f4.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323231770 566009 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f8f4.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323231914 3052 :Libster`!47bf908c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.191.144.140 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1323233294 840124 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323235656 510015 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1323236250 86428 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: bye < 1323238947 343392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to check which functions in a Haskell program are getting stuck and causing infinite loops if running in GHCi? < 1323239047 996506 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323239256 927372 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1323239307 693872 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323239974 197198 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: You are now graced with my absence. < 1323240203 277420 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I managed to correct it. I still don't know how to do that but I did something else instead, such as forcing show of things in error messages to check which are being evaluated, and making IO actions that show things and then result in errors. < 1323240290 28488 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now this code works: createDVI "test.dvi" 1000 dviUnitsTeX >>= shipOut . Page (pageNum 1) [((0, 0), Rule 100000 200000)] >>= finishDVI < 1323240446 744588 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1323240528 787238 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4eeb1.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323240567 773416 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f8f4.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323241153 387406 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course this is also the example of a way to use this DVI program. You can make multiple pages in the same way. Because createDVI results in (IO DocStat) and shipOut is (Page -> IO DocStat) and the third constructor to Page is DocStat, and finishDVI is (DocStat -> IO ()) so you can chain it together whatever you want it to do so. < 1323241190 706373 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is a different DocStat value every time; and they must be sequenced correctly otherwise you will get an invalid output) < 1323241361 392122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/third constructor to Page/third field of constructor Page/ < 1323241477 897093 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this seem reasonable way to make the program, to you? < 1323241585 419588 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only alonzo church would have anticipated the computer terminal... < 1323241614 221699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: What do you think it would be if he did so? < 1323241627 171845 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just plucked his name at random < 1323241639 294301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1323241641 548699 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically if any of these early guys had anticipated the "hello world" < 1323241680 954629 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. maybe i'm not fully understanding the reality though < 1323241693 14336 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what output did babbage's machines use? < 1323241735 935367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have esoteric programming so that you can make up stuff whatever we try to do so. Make up some with unusual outputs to see experiment on these things < 1323241770 437311 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the output is. < 1323241777 939025 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really read up on this instead of using #esoteric as a manpage < 1323243558 46684 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1323243970 514641 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1323243983 937352 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323244969 428337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1323245073 907184 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323246418 940559 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323247139 943738 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323249367 925365 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323249745 402935 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1323249882 460489 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e492.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323250016 916663 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4eeb1.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323253917 692955 :mujuw!~Eva@host86-185-202-126.range86-185.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1323254010 178001 :mujuw!~Eva@host86-185-202-126.range86-185.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1323254078 344180 :mujuw!~Eva@host86-185-202-126.range86-185.btcentralplus.com PART :#esoteric < 1323256045 715697 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee, beat the freeware version of mesh falling hero < 1323256046 886010 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to orde rit < 1323256666 431550 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1323258833 571492 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323258977 334054 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1323259592 674638 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1323260022 942651 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323260048 54057 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1323262186 328524 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323263502 558957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1323263696 17143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i am the god <-- darn wouldn't you know i missed him < 1323263707 100221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAD SO MANY QUESTIONS < 1323263716 955687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a punch in the face < 1323263753 952067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or eldritch tentacles, whatever < 1323263764 84571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323263773 444334 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facetacles. < 1323265539 622812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle t a -> (a, t a) < 1323265540 630782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap deleteFindMax :: IntMap a -> (a, IntMap a) < 1323265540 820719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap deleteFindMin :: IntMap a -> (a, IntMap a) < 1323265541 21919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Internal.Queue queueGet :: Queue a -> (a, Queue a) < 1323265618 468340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle leftView < 1323265619 379539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1323265625 85128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle lView < 1323265625 808360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.Colors lightModelLocalViewer :: StateVar Capability < 1323265625 989030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.CoordTrans Modelview :: GLsizei -> MatrixMode < 1323265631 883078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle viewL < 1323265632 786376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Sequence data ViewL a < 1323265632 964690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Sequence viewl :: Seq a -> ViewL a < 1323265645 351845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is also sort of related < 1323265672 792059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it has its own data type rather than a tuple, with an empty option < 1323265767 351539 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncons < 1323265769 30956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `uncons' < 1323265782 431311 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unicorns < 1323265783 949788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `unicorns' < 1323265786 87520 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1323265805 995451 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let uncons (a:b) = (a,b) in map uncons [1,2,3,4] < 1323265807 530631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [t]) < 1323265807 711387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_11234' at let uncons (a:b) = (a,b) in map uncons (tails [1,2,3,4]) < 1323265827 153881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1,[2,3,4]),(2,[3,4]),(3,[4]),(4,[]),*Exception: :3:4-23: Non... < 1323265946 819595 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [Maybe a] -> [a] < 1323265947 730658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe catMaybes :: [Maybe a] -> [a] < 1323265947 915965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe maybeToList :: Maybe a -> [a] < 1323265948 95121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude sequence :: Monad m => [m a] -> m [a] < 1323265976 538267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let uncons [] = Nothing; uncons (a:b) = Just (a,b) in map uncons . catMaybes $ tails [1,2,3,4] < 1323265978 174425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe [t]' < 1323265978 352826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferre... < 1323265979 453372 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1323265988 782502 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let uncons [] = Nothing; uncons (a:b) = Just (a,b) in catMaybes . map uncons $ tails [1,2,3,4] < 1323265991 77721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1,[2,3,4]),(2,[3,4]),(3,[4]),(4,[])] < 1323266071 231425 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncurry < 1323266072 722452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c. (a -> b -> c) -> (a, b) -> c < 1323266078 390981 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh < 1323266118 290021 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let uncons [] = Nothing; uncons = uncurry (:) in undefined -uh, can you do this? < 1323266119 725807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `,' < 1323266128 56642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let uncons [] = Nothing; uncons = uncurry (:) in undefined --uh, can you do this? < 1323266129 589706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Equations for `uncons' have different numbers of arguments < 1323266129 770557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1323266132 949632 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1323266138 13651 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sanity restored < 1323266160 137418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides it wouldn't work even with the right number < 1323266175 571978 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> uncurry (:) [1,2,4] < 1323266177 215031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `(a, [a])' < 1323266177 396239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[a1]' < 1323266190 874450 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1323266192 265 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t curry < 1323266193 329628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c. ((a, b) -> c) -> a -> b -> c < 1323266210 550520 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah nevermind :P < 1323266221 683474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t head &&& tail < 1323266223 26816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall c. [c] -> (c, [c]) < 1323266247 196600 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head &&& tail $ [] < 1323266248 625666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (*Exception: Prelude.head: empty list < 1323266264 467640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (|||) < 1323266266 84436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b d c. (ArrowChoice a) => a b d -> a c d -> a (Either b c) d < 1323266312 170299 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> Maybe [a] < 1323266313 116408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude cycle :: [a] -> [a] < 1323266313 293654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List cycle :: [a] -> [a] < 1323266313 293909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude init :: [a] -> [a] < 1323266325 93314 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yeah. < 1323266473 328039 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just < 1323266474 683271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> Maybe a < 1323266512 286224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite what I was looking for, but it doesn't matter. < 1323266563 337747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're looking for has no short formulation, i think < 1323266579 53694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :f [] = Nothing; f a = Just a < 1323266583 728592 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whachu talkin' 'bout? < 1323266584 524547 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :toNonEmpty :: [a] -> Maybe (NonEmpty a), but doesn't seem to be in lambdabot's Everything You Could Ever Need. < 1323266611 766838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that... < 1323267378 252783 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let mfilter p ma = do a <- ma; if p a then return a else mzero in map (mfilter (not . null) . Just) [[], [1,2,3]] -- mfilter copied from Control.Monad < 1323267380 576866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Nothing,Just [1,2,3]] < 1323267413 3832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mfilter < 1323267414 394392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `mfilter' < 1323267422 320834 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's up with that. < 1323267424 781948 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t filterM < 1323267426 76121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a -> m Bool) -> [a] -> m [a] < 1323267437 581834 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like right next to it, at least based on some hackage-reading. < 1323267480 240060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a very recent addition < 1323267519 42932 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :New in base-4.3.0.0, evidently. < 1323267563 440000 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :three finals on the same day. looking forward to it. < 1323267662 446123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I keep forgetting this stuff, did you actually finish that AI course last year? I'd suppose. (It's going to be lectured now for the last time, in spring 2012.) < 1323267696 856076 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did. < 1323267707 896191 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, then. < 1323267751 360357 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't usually get as far as submitting a final project report without also going to the exam and passing it :-) < 1323267814 975300 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really remember whether that happened, either. But every year there's a nonzero number of people from both the "exam done, project not" and "project done, exam not" groups. < 1323269489 835800 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323269787 658800 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323270552 323422 :Sgeo|web!897d692e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.105.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323270999 809834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1323271370 459102 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1323272841 285784 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1323273887 907866 :Sgeo|web!897d692e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.105.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1323274149 777711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?oeis 1 2 3 4 < 1323274164 880677 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 912 499592 43582348726987 2398859982734987 < 1323274165 677637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `oeis' failed with: thread killed < 1323274166 13679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1323274184 688231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 2 3 4 < 1323274200 779871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `oeis' failed with: thread killed < 1323274754 705831 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1323274762 250222 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like the bestest pluggin' plugin. < 1323275532 841615 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 2 3 4 < 1323275548 24717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The natural numbers. Also called the whole numbers, the counting numbers or ... < 1323275548 207991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... < 1323275565 693567 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen Slow day? < 1323275566 500408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly in the next 50 years we shall see a woman president, perhaps sooner than you think. A woman can and should be able to do any political job that a man can do. < 1323275705 986887 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-15.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1323275802 559514 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323275814 532054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen is back! < 1323275815 659445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can take it. The tougher it gets, the cooler I get. < 1323275831 606013 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen seems cool < 1323275832 559752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voters quickly forget what a man says. < 1323275838 642465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen I think that violates one of the gas laws... < 1323275839 489241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any lady who is first lady likes being first lady. I don't care what they say, they like it. < 1323275863 601359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen You seem a little more... political of late. < 1323275864 439521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scrubbing floors and emptying bedpans has as much dignity as the Presidency. < 1323275916 783445 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen u mad? < 1323275917 584694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't try to take on a new personality; it doesn't work. < 1323275919 297423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen But what about a president who scrubs floors and empties bedpans? < 1323275920 245642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see clearly now... that I was wrong in not acting more decisively and more forthrightly in dealing with Watergate. < 1323275931 827885 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1323275958 295576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen Vixengate? < 1323275959 148574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see clearly now... that I was wrong in not acting more decisively and more forthrightly in dealing with Watergate. < 1323276043 330920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen Oh dear god this is amazing. < 1323276044 222301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voters quickly forget what a man says. < 1323276158 579002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen My, that's a surprisingly small quotes database you have there. < 1323276159 527189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything that builds the will to win better than competitive sports. < 1323277306 609249 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323277410 751329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nixon only said fifteen things in his life < 1323277413 913281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is there to do < 1323277415 778945 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323277481 893776 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323277549 359120 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1323277748 480567 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-15.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323277859 930634 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think about that @vixen thing? < 1323277860 412614 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the shadow-haunted landscapes of fnord, and lot no. fnord, " the amulet that damned thing" the very apex of happy domestic fnord whilst small kittens become objects to adore, fnord, < 1323278067 353240 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tell me a beautiful love sonnet. < 1323278067 968522 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: considerable number would believe him. he it is who shall fnord our return and sing of the days to come when fauns and dryads and satyrs, suggested the fnord of that unpleasantly undulating column on the far-off ipswich road. < 1323278111 264815 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm really getting quite tired of your fnording fnords. < 1323278111 953692 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: after many eons men came to the land of lomar, and the stealthy whirring and flapping of those accursed fnord closer and closer to a grasp of the secret laboratory. i speak of wests decadence, but must add that some were incised and fnord from the air. < 1323278235 528254 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that particular style has a bit too many of them. < 1323278327 265404 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I derive amusement from seeing the words that aren't fnords but likely would be in other styles, like "undulating" < 1323278434 704896 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It only appears three times in the source material, so it's not too far from being a fnord. < 1323278449 669192 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1323278523 836860 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-0.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1323278562 436856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there fnords in multiple styles? < 1323278593 726116 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it insert a fnord wherever it can't find another passage with that word to hook up to? < 1323278607 278279 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work quite like that. < 1323278611 13669 :Sgeo|web!897d6cb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.108.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323278616 494260 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a n-gram model, not a "keep quoting and jump around" model. < 1323278620 671883 :Sgeo|web!897d6cb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.108.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one else got it either, so it's tied. < 1323278646 369924 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, the older training script mapped all occurs-only-once words into a special "UNK" token, and fungot renders that token as "fnord" when converting back from token indices to words. < 1323278646 752092 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the doom that was one day to be there. confused memories mixed themselves with his mathematics, though the twilight of morning. < 1323278961 367958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1323278961 547135 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft* nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1323279038 430145 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck my spacebar < 1323279249 120628 :Sgeo|web!897d6cb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.108.184 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1323279326 413965 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :SherlockVanHelsi < 1323279337 520746 :SherlockVanHelsi!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1323279590 587499 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woder if /\/\I keyoard is just shit.... < 1323279611 755089 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether you're missing the 'Y' key, or just don't know how to spell "my" ... < 1323279661 101247 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if i rattle /\/\y keyoards too /\/\u(h while (lea|\| i |\| g....oy \/ey < 1323279700 12863 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 keys te/\/\p re/\/\o\/ed while ............. |3 l a h < 1323279701 100410 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                       | < 1323279701 582840 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                       >\ < 1323279733 839329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz < 1323279734 18984 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011) < 1323279739 293652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, speak. < 1323279739 722073 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a lot! god, just forget how to talk! i just forgot that when i said she was dead before.'" < 1323279810 232306 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing sigh ok its good enough < 1323279820 500445 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i absolutely hate removing my spacebar < 1323279837 965819 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a godawful thing < 1323279881 973934 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dood, that's like music to my ears (re fung-ot) < 1323279903 829310 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A lot! God, just forget how to talk! Oh, I just forgot that \ when I said she was deaaaaaad befoooooooooooore!" < 1323279942 365333 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to rattle my kb around a lot when cleaning.. im not sure if it damages it much that way < 1323279965 200721 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably a bad idea < 1323280408 483969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1323281042 440923 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am magic mans' < 1323282050 510437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323282305 596396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1323283328 151944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323284218 68711 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1323284218 284758 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1323284218 284962 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1323284375 503938 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1323285488 516194 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.137.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323285533 528573 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.137.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update < 1323285577 573518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG < 1323285599 145088 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.137.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, should I stop updating you? < 1323285769 38388 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DEEC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323286092 846837 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: nah < 1323286729 666424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT LAST THE GOAT OF INEVITABILITY BLEATS < 1323286803 148227 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1323286831 2375 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323287664 478122 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.137.164 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1323288850 526529 :shadwick!~erik@host226-222.wifi.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1323288960 58570 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric is a second-generation, outside–in, pull-based, multiple-stakeholder, multiple-scale, high-automation, agile methodology. It describes a cycle of interactions with well-defined outputs, resulting in the delivery of working, tested software that matters. | Everyone in #esoteric is ẌTREME | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1323289141 526779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1323289143 847945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:45:41: Maybe I'll just start talking about @ whenever anyone disagrees with me on reddit. <-- and then you can exchange strategy tips with Zephir_AWT < 1323289144 715461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1323289145 840284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:45:55: sorry, he's Zephir_Banned now < 1323289147 863073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:46:10: or was that Zephir_Banned2 < 1323289150 31617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aether wave theory guy? < 1323289185 683494 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1323289210 409066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21:45:41: Maybe I'll just start talking about @ whenever anyone disagrees with me on reddit. <-- and then you can exchange strategy tips with Zephir_AWT < 1323289210 586756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21:45:55: sorry, he's Zephir_Banned now < 1323289210 586955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21:46:10: or was that Zephir_Banned2 < 1323289210 587066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1323289210 587181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the aether wave theory guy? < 1323289235 407263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1323289258 414892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there any actual evidence he's a different person to the originator of the theory? :) < 1323289337 573522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1323289358 372032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought nearly everyone assumed they were the same... < 1323289366 165913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1323289380 650148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the wiki is now completely unusable < 1323289389 174017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you disable registration? < 1323289398 494418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1323289410 590515 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, only graue can do that. < 1323289433 148346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a terrible imitation of ais523's style < 1323289459 626823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1323289480 549920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:22:06: -!- rakesh has joined #esoteric. < 1323289480 727249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:22:12: hi < 1323289480 727428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:22:15: who i sthis < 1323289480 727537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:22:17: i am the god < 1323289481 100483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I would have said basically that, just in different words < 1323289485 973077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :satan here, sup < 1323289523 399976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't suppose you can... stop new page creation? < 1323289526 212277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1323289536 853896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor can I even tell when a user registers, without polling the user list < 1323289542 699945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1323289554 662349 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, the only aspects of his style i _tried_ to imitate, i remembered wrong :P < 1323289564 315597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh, which were that? < 1323289577 797452 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :capitalization and punctuation < 1323289579 260517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:06:25: if only alonzo church would have anticipated the computer terminal... < 1323289579 437900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:06:54: itidus20: What do you think it would be if he did so? < 1323289579 438107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:07:07: i just plucked his name at random < 1323289579 759422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323289586 625954 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out his is identical to mine there < 1323289703 119248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, /I/ can get a decent view of Recent Changes, even if nobody else can ("hide my edits") < 1323289715 298768 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only the marquis de sade would have anticipated hospital romance novels < 1323289758 366357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um apart from all the spambot edits < 1323289763 828175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you haven't got to yet. < 1323289771 171116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, there's none now, but you're not on 24/7) < 1323289779 187905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote if only the marquis de sade would have anticipated hospital romance novels < 1323289785 166005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can delete them all in a couple of minutes < 1323289787 3884 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :747) if only the marquis de sade would have anticipated hospital romance novels < 1323289797 207912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambots are really good for getting me to memorise the keyboard shortcuts of all applicable programs < 1323289811 352928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey without context? < 1323289822 389114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well ok < 1323289824 103656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 747 < 1323289827 671329 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* if only the marquis de sade would have anticipated hospital romance novels < 1323289839 371485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote if only alonzo church would have anticipated the computer terminal... itidus20: What do you think it would be if he did so? i just plucked his name at random [...] if only the marquis de sade would have anticipated hospital romance novels < 1323289842 77964 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :747) if only alonzo church would have anticipated the computer terminal... itidus20: What do you think it would be if he did so? i just plucked his name at random [...] if only the marquis de sade would have anticipated hospital romance novels < 1323289879 209286 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that, there is this great divide between a computers internal mathematics and calculations, and it's input output systems.. < 1323289902 228526 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'm thinking on useless tangents again < 1323289906 293327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO doesn't actually exist, it's just an illusion created by humans < 1323289915 437555 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1323289949 546327 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be offensive, but that kind of statement always depends on some undefined meaning of existence < 1323289994 360842 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: haskell is partly about making that divide more explicit < 1323290024 732998 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your comment it seems to hint at ancient ideas of the percieved vs the actual < 1323290032 83490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1323290051 124328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still unconvinced anything actually exists, it seems more complex than the alternative where nothing exists < 1323290073 356981 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres about million books on the subject < 1323290091 581161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well the thing is that only one of those alternatives can simulate the other < 1323290112 726520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, but the version with nothing doesn't /have/ to simulate the version with something < 1323290116 378635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, or are they illusory books? < 1323290169 991645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except you have to explain your own experiences... < 1323290203 262987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really; if nothing exists, then there's no need to explain anything < 1323290246 663921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't just contradict yourself and say that you don't have to explain the contradiction because [conclusion] < 1323290253 67491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but /something/ manifestly exists, for appropriate values of 'exists', 'something', 'manifestly' and, in fact, 'but'. < 1323290285 243638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if nothing exists, neither does the need to explain away contradictions < 1323290293 376494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm saying is that there'd be loads of contradictions, but they wouldn't matter < 1323290311 266316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you _are_ just trolling, right? < 1323290316 33548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really think the universe is self-consistent? and do you know much about how difficult it is for systems to be self-consistent < 1323290316 850267 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1323290318 372412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not entirely sure < 1323290320 154658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic doesn't work that way. (even if you say it doesn't matter if it doesn't work that way.) < 1323290332 603906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it seems unlikely that the universe is based on logic < 1323290344 695255 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an illusion exists as an illuision rather than what it purported to be < 1323290356 560825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the universe isn't a set of axioms, so the question is incoherent < 1323290370 600374 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the rope exists.. the illusion of the snake exists :P < 1323290378 269933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, quite possibly < 1323290395 322758 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1323290403 346844 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how i hurt my brain < 1323290406 749790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, these sorts of thoughts, despite being probably nonsensical, is how I escaped from my depression recently < 1323290493 846329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much logic causes depression, i think < 1323290503 729521 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1323290520 215980 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen < 1323290521 1252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reject the cynical view that politics is a dirty business. < 1323290526 637774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1323290533 720858 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen < 1323290534 486647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The presidency has many problems, but boredom is the least of them. < 1323290544 575809 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye elliotte < 1323290641 239131 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log cake < 1323290668 837222 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-11-17.txt:03:56:38: CakeProphet: no it's more like "let's look more like the conservatives because they keep winning" :P < 1323290709 739263 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log crossaint < 1323290715 704672 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-09-15.txt:22:44:52: 2011-09-15.txt:22:44:48: `log crossaint < 1323290729 792425 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log doohickey < 1323290736 26523 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-06-29.txt:23:59:09: "rom the Earth perspective, Martian software is just another strange, mutually incompatible doohickey. Welcome aboard! Alas, our mudball is already ornamented with many such curios. They stick quite well." < 1323290757 73378 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log croissant < 1323290762 895458 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-08-09.txt:20:41:27: *croissants < 1323290769 288915 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahhaah < 1323290786 166271 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even olsner couldn't spell it < 1323290793 352573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log bagel < 1323290795 596595 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1323290799 649257 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-03-03.txt:03:37:30: This is America -- the country of the pizza bagel. < 1323291020 255659 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1323291161 486955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pagel. < 1323291270 750175 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must conclude that my usual grocery chain store this year has a campaign to gradually exterminate from their assortment any products that i actually use < 1323291292 997849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may think this paranoid, but the evidence is gradually becoming overwhelming. < 1323291546 931141 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323291587 547294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1323291607 83962 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1323291612 423229 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bloody idiotr < 1323291617 501233 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, hell < 1323291619 33399 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tr/t/ < 1323291629 734656 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In more ways than one < 1323291632 604671 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then get to a hospital, sheesh! < 1323291639 466986 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's fine < 1323291645 902618 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a little blood < 1323291677 728908 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood loss has been shown to have severe side effects in animal research < 1323292112 992125 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the most recent Freefall < 1323292130 754435 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most recent xkcd was good as recent xkcds go, but not memorable < 1323292140 340648 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that I remember liking it but don't remember it < 1323292179 717283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alt text is actually witty. < 1323292318 994958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ping < 1323292361 642932 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NO < 1323292374 173562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YES < 1323292380 656652 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHYYYYYYYY < 1323292384 849153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What < 1323292454 848530 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SYN/ACK < 1323292470 604528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I just wanted to link you to a GC to benchmark GGGGGGGGC against :P < 1323292494 602028 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1323292502 564876 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1323292502 868219 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is NAK essentially (Homestuck aside) "I'm not talking to you!"? < 1323292506 587511 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is it? < 1323292514 705034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: SYN/ACK =/= NAK :P < 1323292527 144372 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I still asked a question < 1323292529 622819 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Also, NAK is almost exactly the opposite of that. < 1323292535 113732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\NAK' < 1323292536 111701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\NAK' < 1323292540 189756 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1323292540 438526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '\NAK' < 1323292541 428277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21 < 1323292553 156304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/n2mws/ghc_commit_allow_the_number_of_capabilities_to_be/c360cae?context=1 has the link; it's OpenJDK source code patched to use Azul Systems' stuff (requires kernel patches/module that are included) < 1323292565 709816 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: NAK is negative acknowledgement, i.e. "I didn't get a message, please resend" < 1323292566 872903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think you need an x86 with virtualisation support < 1323292569 911916 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's more like "Please talk to me more" < 1323292572 858669 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1323292617 336610 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I ... see no benchmark? < 1323292632 428022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You already have a benchmark of GGGGGC vs. Java, do you not? < 1323292638 877018 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1323292648 698097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: s/OpenJDK you used for that/the OpenJDK from there/, no? < 1323292670 584654 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their OpenJDK has (slightly) lower throughput than Sun's, it just has lower pause times. < 1323292705 272836 :shadwick!~erik@host226-222.wifi.ubc.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1323292706 944112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fair enough, just thought you might not know there's a source release < 1323292743 462976 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we could travel at light-speed, it would take round-about 600 years to get to Kepler-22b < 1323292752 8377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virtualisation for read barriers is a fun idea. I wonder if this answers my question about the overhead of hypervisors... < 1323292884 590370 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ah, indeed I didn't. < 1323292899 96703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So you didn't actually read the link :P < 1323292910 922874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which contains a copy of OpenJDK which uses their concurrent collector: [...] It also contains the necessary linux kernel patches/kernel module to support it." < 1323292919 162531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's ambiguous *shrug* < 1323292957 490348 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did read that, I just wasn't clear on whether the source was included :P < 1323292971 807159 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I've seen them present their collector. < 1323292976 636110 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly that's more valuable than source. < 1323293039 327933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So do *you* know what the overhead of making a call to the hypervisor (from within a virtualised OS) is with x86 virtualisation? :P < 1323293068 760625 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that if you're asking that question, you shouldn't be benchmarking :) < 1323293076 408122 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, no) < 1323293097 504350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is for a totally different thing :P < 1323293104 15587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An @-related thing. < 1323293108 517065 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1323293110 697740 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, no < 1323293125 118711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, I need them to be significantly cheaper than Unix syscall overhead :P < 1323293130 89021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a certain idea) < 1323293148 649035 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhhhh < 1323293157 603867 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They pretty well imply all the steps involved in a syscall ... < 1323293159 191778 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna wash forehead, brb < 1323293253 651905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, that's why I don't think they are :P < 1323293285 263677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, if that thing uses them to do read barriers, then I don't see how it isn't massively inefficient... but (a) I don't know how they do it, (b) I guess they could just enable it when they enter the GC? < 1323293385 132891 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) they could, but I don't think they do. < 1323293418 207477 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) it's not exactly a call to the hypervisor that's going on, it's more like using the virtualization /framework/ as a kind of advanced MMU < 1323293442 138846 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no actual context switch. < 1323293443 633752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (b) they could, but I don't think they do. < 1323293450 62934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They use x86 hardware virtualization extensions to provide a read barrier for their concurrent collector, IIRC. The idea has existed for quite a while I think, but I couldn't provide you with the early literature supporting that at the moment. Before they started offering x86 solutions (about ~2 yrs ago,) they used their own custom processors (the Vega series) which provided the needed hardware support directly. The algorithm itself is actually p < 1323293450 241450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :retty simple, IIRC." < 1323293458 412510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You managed to not read a single sentence of that erddit link :P < 1323293459 547580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reddit < 1323293467 480785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1323293471 551981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You answered in reverse order wtf man. < 1323293472 425259 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1323293475 325059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf wtf wtf. < 1323293477 737103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not natural. < 1323293478 929634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not natural. < 1323293481 751037 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I specified the letters :P < 1323293496 259732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (a) it's not exactly a call to the hypervisor that's going on, it's more like using the virtualization /framework/ as a kind of advanced MMU < 1323293511 797168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You mean the super-fancy new stuff where you can have a page table per virtualised OS? < 1323293523 66594 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The file system is integral to the operation and functionality of every computer-based task." <-- Whoever writes the Open University Linux course won't think much of @ < 1323293539 205696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: They won't think much, full stop. < 1323293540 830430 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They didn't go into enough detail when I saw their presentation for me to answer that :P < 1323293561 473944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Doesn't really help this idea anyway, since I think it'd still end up having the same overhead >_> < 1323293562 805656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1323293577 340096 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integrals are so much easier than linux file systems < 1323293599 20624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means that @'s performance benefits get trashed if you try and implement it by virtualising each individual (untrusted) program in ring 0 :) < 1323293649 411677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shouldn't you have waited until the other CFJ was rejudged? < 1323293662 933697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, rule 754 is perfectly clear, and also power 3 < 1323293675 547720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I disagree with your reasoning < 1323293684 893410 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1323293685 887126 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: integrate e^(x^3) from 0 to a, okthxbye < 1323293688 999116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you find a higher-power rule, or an equal-power rule with a lower number, that contradicts it? < 1323293701 271204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it seems that that part of rule 754 might be interestingly scammable < 1323293708 325159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to think about it < 1323293716 863359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I was going to send this as an email, but: "Even though whitespace is formally irrelevant, surely intentional choice of whitespace can contribute to *intent*? And intent is what matters for registration." < 1323293739 182172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intent is a form of communication! < 1323293763 473528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my judgement: "the rules say X"; your counterargument: "X is broken" < 1323293767 924372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is Agora, not Nomic 217 < 1323293783 543628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what I said at all, but I'll stick to just sending it as an email in case someone _else_ agrees. < 1323294044 735238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323294162 418932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the only way to spell croissant is croissant < 1323294168 899230 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323294246 405503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1323294249 198306 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of croissant? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1323294253 452133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our learndb sucks :( < 1323294296 652986 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1323294298 655445 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is ais523. This topic may retroactively become more informative if or when Feather is invented. < 1323294305 133195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1323294308 654260 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/: Is a directory < 1323294311 119535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1323294312 618461 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323294320 938841 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a head injury, okay? < 1323294331 476412 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn misspellings of croissant include crossaint, but crusade ain't. < 1323294331 972692 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1323294334 607293 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1323294344 616574 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, now it'll be < 1323294347 426591 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings < 1323294349 963544 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ӛl.|i_..bqe./w-B.l{!&[.aaCxN.\.N7y@.05UP?.PR=I+.)C-9U."5.$I|@P@..Z4]A@.ځ.'.=LTh?ZVVq%fP3%w9ͳvr./6a..z.yŝ.$Y({QIp .QG.wGkG".C~թhL%B.ܦk/<&i..Cx.f><.`.Cu..fO'U,...OZ.5N#HeGd쿛.)..ԉ.:nz.K.t`OLcc_.y.cX\YČ6.5K5../1 \ .YWCPYW?GJGaP.QM..8Y.B[\Sژ.y| < 1323294350 253091 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of croissant include crossaint, but crusade ain't. < 1323294361 727422 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1323294363 471408 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1323294363 905771 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of croissant? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1323294365 48322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/misspellings wisdom/'misspellings of croissant' < 1323294367 736006 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1323294373 244755 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I knew that. < 1323294388 839869 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯' > wisdom/'misspellings of croissant' < 1323294391 18385 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1323294392 187608 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, I didn't know these things had a name! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floater < 1323294395 169598 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1323294397 693984 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1323294400 973829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the line noise in `? misspellings? < 1323294408 94156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings < 1323294410 848417 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1323294415 736801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Gregor -----### < 1323294421 541876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Gregor screwing around? < 1323294422 496774 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Line noise? < 1323294443 487243 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We were playing a nice game of golf yesterday. You should join. < 1323294445 157477 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, that was `? Ngevd, not `? misspellings < 1323294446 633711 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_10 < 1323294447 154222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let(!)=div;f n=1:n:1:f(n+2);w@(x:y)%[a,b,c,d]|t<-a!c,c+d>1,t==b!d=t:w%[10*(a-c*t),10*(b-d*t),c,d]|0<1=y%[x*a+b,a,x*c+d,c]in(2:f 2)%[1,0,0,1]>>=show < 1323294451 811106 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/ngevd < 1323294453 866679 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 12 Dec 7 21:47 wisdom/ngevd -> /dev/urandom < 1323294462 858382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1323294465 832752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1323294469 144805 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​_E=kvW{/#Aw\".M..r`.0$O$.?l)FT \ *a66.$. \ W:f;<.\&O.._+PLy`.d.". #֥I,bJu..oJ.9%2...΂8sI;K.Mv.!k'EyN.%.u.[A...?ca. \ K0.7Ed.@W)X.^k. < 1323294489 569427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it starts the same as last time, but doesn't continue that way < 1323294493 842828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1323294496 948889 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​..8r.O=.eʭ:.[ǐ\'$'և:J....O=!h..60.psFY>ˋ@QXU..F'."!.j.اə˄+^^y$t.5!0.Ql°d.k{F0~Fpř.{iuY8а=P.ln3PxlWH0]f.fq..Zf.vpzL+..:F$Cݺ1Ln]|G.J...B^wB6o...0;U=.E4n줎&(\.R\...H5!ƴ/.lI*>FZ@s!.}َ.jTpKT=?9. < 1323294505 254632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, why does it start the same way? < 1323294507 896502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox stuff? Gregor? < 1323294512 509142 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donno < 1323294514 13548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yikes. < 1323294514 666533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so /dev/urandom has started with ​ three times in a row < 1323294517 527556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your /dev/urandom is broken < 1323294528 97170 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could very well be, as it's part of UML. < 1323294545 676548 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hexdump -C /dev/urandom | head < 1323294547 859423 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 56 0a 71 c2 16 1d 36 33 ea 4a 25 a7 9d 07 bb 47 |V.q...63.J%....G| \ 00000010 0f 56 5b 7a 92 ed fd fd d4 47 bf d3 01 9f 85 16 |.V[z.....G......| \ 00000020 ca 26 dd e7 54 d4 c5 21 61 cc 9f fb f6 6f 54 9c |.&..T..!a....oT.| \ 00000030 1f d7 e9 90 cc 73 1a 1e 6e 79 b2 56 37 a5 28 c3 |.....s..ny.V7.(.| \ 00000040 dc 38 ef 4c 00 e4 72 aa 72 66 7d dd 95 bf 50 08 |.8.L..r.rf}...P.| \ 00000050 4d 50 < 1323294549 491008 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hexdump -C /dev/urandom | head -n 1 < 1323294552 243236 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 84 b0 aa c2 dc 34 46 13 07 51 a1 0c cb 1c 13 7f |.....4F..Q......| < 1323294554 568992 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hexdump -C /dev/urandom | head -n 1 < 1323294556 901789 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The goal is 140 characters. < 1323294557 79361 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 72 49 94 bf 24 5e 39 73 27 c6 bc 1f dc 5d 64 17 |rI..$^9s'....]d.| < 1323294561 823065 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, something to do with output. < 1323294564 36482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1323294579 680072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1323294582 657753 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wed Dec 7 21:49:42 UTC 2011 < 1323294626 616526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that only seems to use `div` twice, I think it'd be shorter without the abbreviation < 1323294635 654320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:09:30: i hope he didn't think we have anything against python. it may very well be even more popular than haskell here < 1323294638 690323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha, 2010! < 1323294665 959013 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is python popular here? wtf? < 1323294685 392740 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010 sounds like a bad place < 1323294695 943622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it has been popular in the past; the channel's opinion has changed because its composition of people has changed < 1323294707 728523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably dislike Python more than I should because of kerio < 1323294722 379767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey and olsner started the wave of pythonhating < 1323294736 293166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all just kind of admitted to ourselves that we really hate python in the process < 1323294760 243959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally "pyton" is norwegian slang for awful < 1323294775 106245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make a list of reasons to hate python somewhere < 1323294776 299095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise in swedish, appropriately enough < 1323294776 722294 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you like those people who talk about how O(1) is faster than O(log n) without measuring it? :-) < 1323294781 421523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that python supporters can try to defend it < 1323294792 386383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not in that case, I tried to mentally measure it < 1323294810 266984 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Remember you need a space after the let. < 1323294813 187638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've golfed myself, typically something short like that has to be used three or four times before it saves characters to define an abbreviation < 1323294831 891903 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I measure one character saved by the abbreviation. < 1323294862 983469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let(!)=div; is 11, then there are two uses of ! so 13 altogether < 1323294869 735061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas two uses of `div` is 10 < 1323294871 375010 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still need a let. < 1323294879 110922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1323294884 558951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you do < 1323294885 770709 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because other things are being defined? < 1323294890 472865 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"f" and "%". < 1323294890 988981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're defining more than one thing < 1323294892 529336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1323294895 399902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how old is kerio, btw? < 1323294902 236190 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AGEIST < 1323294907 925417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: university, I'm not sure what year < 1323294910 824413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so somewhere between you and me < 1323294911 2169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: totes < 1323294915 797512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh < 1323294921 297907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he acts younger, though < 1323294925 625788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was assuming he wasn't much older than I was when I acted like that < 1323294930 234631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he acts about your age < 1323294937 86489 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a kerio? < 1323294946 521278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a person in another channel < 1323294960 611074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who could be considered a friend of mine based on message frequency < 1323294981 202624 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponders about how individual letters/characters don't have any meaning individually (or do they?) < 1323294988 550579 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The channels we have in common are #interhack #unnethack #math #nethack < 1323294991 728259 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, kerio isn't one of elliott or tswett's other nicks? how weird. < 1323294997 448457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: "a" < 1323294999 804665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1323295002 975240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is kerlo < 1323295004 322643 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, man, you're, like, that ais523. < 1323295008 888828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm, I didn't realise you were in #unnethack < 1323295014 326992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You keep realising ais523 is that ais523. < 1323295021 125119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but I am ais523! < 1323295022 825479 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the keys are like right next to each other. < 1323295023 793895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a good thing to realise < 1323295038 115415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, has that become a rogue punchline? < 1323295039 618704 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't actually watch it. < 1323295050 35962 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know toft? < 1323295054 694475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a bash quote, isn't it? < 1323295058 785424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do vaguely know toft < 1323295060 256193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1323295068 749485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm having trouble figuring what you mean by "watch it" < 1323295073 296814 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article 'a', pronoun 'i', abbreviations 'r,u'.. can be considered as single-letter words < 1323295076 589634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either word makes sense on its own, I just can't combine them < 1323295080 774136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the channel, surely < 1323295087 748325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people watch IRC channels? < 1323295089 261229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. watch it for new messages < 1323295090 90014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1323295098 284193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'd call that "read", I think < 1323295122 279973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can listen to an IRC channel too, with the same meaning < 1323295124 137454 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like.. the word 'rain' does not contain the meaning 'an instance of myself' < 1323295124 314910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1323295127 200158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not feel one < 1323295130 449881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "listen", since IRC contains talking < 1323295139 90604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taste the IRC < 1323295153 509976 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fnarf of new messages on IRC < 1323295159 319502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can read it, because it's words; watch it, because it's animated; and listen to it, because it's talking < 1323295184 750077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Æ e i a! Æ e i a æ å! < 1323295192 766928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say... < 1323295195 897887 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1323295212 374333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :▒̂ < 1323295214 660822 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw on wiki an article was talking about how one reads poetry, but speaks speeches < 1323295216 328618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, I'd call that "read", I think < 1323295227 428506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wanted to call a demon or similar entity in a computer game that < 1323295233 67214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talk about how they were unspeakable < 1323295238 393814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that simply cannot be pronounced < 1323295239 553558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch has more connotations of active monitoring, rather than glancing or logreading every once in a while. < 1323295243 284409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could describe what it looked like, I guess < 1323295247 587443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's different from pronouncing it < 1323295251 734401 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it said that when you read poetry you use the rules of poetics.. but when you speak in public you use the rules of rhetoric < 1323295265 59837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure you can, it's just static. < 1323295279 424439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "I allege that ▒̂ did $X!" "Unspeakable!" "Yes, that guy." < 1323295284 104137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: white noise (which I suspect you mean "static") is surprisingly hard to pronounce < 1323295288 849213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you mean by < 1323295301 999250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :▒̂ isn't very random < 1323295308 134583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with that smudge, though? < 1323295312 637122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not, you just go like "skrrrchh". < 1323295332 137155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a combining caret < 1323295339 900680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1323295362 318976 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skrrrchh, 18 level demon of hell < 1323295364 610494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on top of a MEDIUM SHADE < 1323295376 800091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "medium shade" almost sounds like a monster name by itself < 1323295401 121639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The medium shade hits! The medium shade bites!" < 1323295420 241500 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The medium shade casts fire. < 1323295432 884184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shady medium < 1323295450 361548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEDIUM SHADE sounds like a watered-down pokemon move < 1323295467 954349 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :While resting under the shade of a tree, you encounter a medium shade. En garde! < 1323295489 90405 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The medium shade preemptively bites you. < 1323295644 101523 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yafgc.net/?id=1016 (slightly nsfw) < 1323295768 943816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is the first appearance of the giant swastika in the background, which I put there to make sure you know these are Nazis." < 1323295778 435814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone has ever commented on that thing :) < 1323295795 451709 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody said it was actually the second < 1323295817 57894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1323295834 17924 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second appearence < 1323295839 84182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1323295908 36071 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323296020 606244 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-126.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1323296096 498251 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's kerio? < 1323296115 532327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswatt's alternate nick. < 1323296123 158568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION braces for a tswatting. < 1323296158 742602 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1323296224 229353 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tswats the tswit -----### < 1323296353 886784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wonder if anyone has ever commented on that thing :) < 1323296372 234012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean noticed the giant Lego swastika lying around his house? < 1323296385 669628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's kind of a hard thing to bring up in a conversation. < 1323296428 822544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Say, David, you aren't some kind of construction set Nazi, are you?" < 1323296450 951318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OMG I'm imagining neo-Nazis who, like, act out the Fourth Reich with legos. < 1323296476 476265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :build your own auschwitz < 1323296510 287242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rerun commentary: Monty is standing in front of a good old blackboard, since obviously whiteboards hadn't been invented in the 1930s." < 1323296511 753241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, skin tones might be an issue. < 1323296515 999341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can I just say thank god I wasn't born in the 1930s. < 1323296540 318792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think hearing chalk on blackboard for more than 3 minutes at a time would send me into tears. < 1323296543 285349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, excuse me blackboards are amazing please leave this channel until you have learnt the error of your ways. < 1323296551 449268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ;__; < 1323296556 573231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THEY HURT SO BAD < 1323296571 120778 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had blackboards in his school in the 80s < 1323296572 431710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you're some kind of WEAK ENGLISH PANSY, perhaps. < 1323296581 521848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there's a blackboard in my school lab. < 1323296583 665334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for that matter in university < 1323296601 15371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's covered in crap we drew on it. < 1323296612 450307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In the mid-1960s, the first whiteboards began to appear on the market. In classrooms, their widespread adoption did not occur until the early 1990s when concern over allergies and other potential health risks posed by chalk dust prompted the replacement of many blackboards with whiteboards.[1] < 1323296628 80757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Seriously though I don't like whiteboards either but blackboards are quite literally unbearable. < 1323296639 320972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't stand a lot of sounds and it is annoying. < 1323296667 417202 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is with elliott  < 1323296675 272454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are both awful. < 1323296689 844621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean on sounds in general < 1323296699 176230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get the same sense of satisfaction from writing on a whiteboard. < 1323296707 969444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like whiteboards either! < 1323296716 193878 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by satisfaction, you mean chalk on your fingers, right? < 1323296725 47416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is those ~electronic boards~ except not shit. < 1323296736 748526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With blackboards, it's like "I am WRITING and you are going to READ this because of all these IMPORTANT CLACKY SOUNDS it is making". < 1323296741 362719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who the hell designed those to use a projector?) < 1323296749 441456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey, I wouldn't care if it was just clacky sounds. < 1323296754 755834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, people who didn't have much money. < 1323296770 549531 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the clacky sounds, i'd forgotten them... < 1323296774 215868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SCRAPEY SOUND IS COMPLETELY COUNTERBALANCED BY THE CLACKY SOUND < 1323296778 519178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Would you like a board that, whenever anyone wrote in it, someone else had to blow a really awful whistle directly into your ear? < 1323296787 833508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND < 1323296845 500590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE < 1323296856 389301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_of_fingernails_scraping_chalkboard < 1323296861 893481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Least succinct WP article title? < 1323296900 481113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know if HouseOfScandal meant to be ironic, but i actually think that this article is not suitable for wikipedia. I suggest to delete it since it doesn't present any matter of fact, nor any information thta can be considered useful by anyone. The fact that the linked research won the Ig Nobel prize means something to me. Diego, 16:12, 16 April 2008" < 1323296932 683576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has always been a bit wary of the Ig Nobel prizes since he thought they could easily fuel anti-scientific sentiment towards the "useless" research involved... < 1323296971 812970 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's *supposed* to be for things which make you laugh, then make you think; whether that's actually reflected in the awards I'm not sure. < 1323297081 69058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "The awards are sometimes veiled criticism (or gentle satire)." :p < 1323297095 561429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean, you can't award legitimate-but-funny scientific research /and/ quacks. < 1323297098 681524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first Ig Nobels were awarded in 1991, at that time for discoveries "that cannot, or should not, be reproduced"." < 1323297099 16987 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1323297100 712709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which they do. < 1323297118 382557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds a lot more amusing than what they do now. < 1323297126 407881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they are followed by a set of public lectures by the winners at MIT" I assume the cranks turn down the opportunity... < 1323297132 887332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1323297158 49472 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: veiled criticism, what gall < 1323297166 961409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1323297178 930913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1323297179 986901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paul DeFanti is the fictional recipient of the 1991 Ig Nobel Prize in the area of Pedestrian Technology "for his invention of the Buckybonnet, a geodesic fashion structure that pedestrians wear to protect their heads and preserve their composure." This makes him one of only three fictional people to have won the award.[1] DeFanti supposedly demonstrated his Buckminster Fulleresque invention at the awards ceremony. According to Bill Jackson at the < 1323297180 164503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Massachusetts Institute of Technology: < 1323297180 164705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a "spontaneous" demonstration of the device's effectiveness when a rather attractive woman stormed into the room, accompanied by a police officer. The woman declared that DeFanti had fathered her child. She attempted to hit him, but the Buckybonnet protected him.[2] < 1323297184 170251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1323297192 394253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like the most awkward skit ever. < 1323297243 880217 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they just didn't have enough candidates that year. < 1323297263 737021 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Eh, they've had cranks lecture at MIT before. Just for kicks, they had Dr. Gene Ray, Cubic and Wise Above God, lecture once. < 1323297276 749113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1995, Robert May, Baron May of Oxford, the chief scientific adviser to the British government, requested that the organizers no longer award Ig Nobel prizes to British scientists, claiming that the awards risked bringing genuine experiments into ridicule." < 1323297279 543330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: JUST THE BRITS THOUGH < 1323297286 786026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it looks like it's split between "funny but legitimate research" and "mockery, normally of non-scientists". < 1323297290 583348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I keep meaning to watch that. < 1323297304 182522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Right, and the problem is that everyone /else/ can't tell the difference. < 1323297323 281313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But: "as part of the Independent Activities Period, a student-organized extra-curricular event". < 1323297327 625031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it wasn't really an official thing. < 1323297378 522099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes; the whole point of that is "let's have a week or two of random shit happening". As is tradition. < 1323297426 568836 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 4 weeks. < 1323297503 864018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Petition to pardon computer pioneer Alan Turing started" huh, didn't we already have one? < 1323297507 748901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that just an apology, and not a pardon < 1323297513 262083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A posthumous apology to Alan Turing was made by Gordon Brown in 2009" right < 1323297522 830535 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1323297532 752628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprised they didn't kill two birds with one stone. < 1323297544 694432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess bear-ocracy. < 1323297825 45403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Before Time Cube, Otis E. Ray advocated the sport of marbles." — WP < 1323297832 34899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were they 4-sided cubic marbles? < 1323297874 534464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, he lost them. < 1323297977 985016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He wasn't very good, clearly. < 1323298011 811770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't 4-sided cubes only exist in 2D? < 1323298039 711972 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a whoosh. < 1323298063 359327 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I went to the vet yesterday. < 1323298088 997418 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my checkout form said (amongst many other things) that her nose was "pink and moist" < 1323298093 333203 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i was like UHHH EXCUSE ME < 1323298100 962900 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S ORANGE. < 1323298124 13811 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's lack of fashion sense is finally getting an explanation < 1323298137 588004 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But her nose IS orange! < 1323298152 75204 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...from a certain point of view. < 1323298152 252661 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor goes to a vet and refers to himself as her? < 1323298171 355461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1323298191 756385 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orange nose is weird though < 1323298199 524823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is actually a goat. < 1323298280 597640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is actually a rare species of mangoat < 1323298297 194154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fashion sense comes from the mango part < 1323298301 148408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the vet was female < 1323298302 714078 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to one of the more common species of mangoat. < 1323298329 592795 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Gregor is actually a rare species of mangoat the fashion sense comes from the mango part < 1323298332 398837 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :748) Gregor is actually a rare species of mangoat the fashion sense comes from the mango part < 1323298344 323823 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE CAT IS FEMALE I WAS BEING IMPLICIT Y'ALL < 1323298362 715487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, the *vet*'s nose was pink and moist? < 1323298364 406504 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insufficiently implicit. < 1323298384 64498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: knowing that Gregor is male, it's the only possible referent in his sentence < 1323298408 938704 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So went to the vet yesterday. "And checkout form said nose was 'pink and moist'." "And was like UHHH EXCUSE." "ORANGE." < 1323298415 814711 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/So I went to the vet yesterday\./So I brought my female cat to the vet yesterday./ < 1323298441 895547 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, made like English was a pro-drop language. < 1323298451 243870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: your double quotes don't match < 1323298459 280922 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BLAH < 1323298460 676616 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's also a quo-drop language. < 1323298463 257094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which set should I interpret as two single quotes? < 1323298474 175463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's gender according to the definition you use doesn't necessarily conform to their preferred pronoun < 1323298478 965050 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/. /." / < 1323298481 488072 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1323298483 784872 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\. /." / < 1323298493 327377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hmm, right < 1323298500 523079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*knowing that Gregor typically refers to himself with male pronouns < 1323298504 555874 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: In Gregor's case, it does. < 1323298536 473275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that! at least I won't assume it when trying to figure out the least plausible referent of a pronoun < 1323298540 519551 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless there's something I don't know as regards this) < 1323298608 135492 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should someone break to olsner than english is usually based on using the _most_ plausible referent? < 1323298613 986096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor actually uses the caveman set of pronouns: Gregor/Gregor/Gregor/Gregor. < 1323298639 789184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am weirdly reminded of Elliottcraft < 1323298651 328690 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor no appreciate #esoteric inspection. < 1323298660 376396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's the fourth? < 1323298661 54818 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor make you pay for insubordination. < 1323298667 918929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Isn't there four? < 1323298668 293927 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor caveman with extensive vocabulary. < 1323298693 481480 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ġ actually uses the set of pronouns Ġ/Ġ/Ġ/Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious' < 1323298694 781853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's five, actually (subject, object, possessive adjective, possessive pronoun, reflexive, according to this WP article). < 1323298695 33106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nominative, accusative, genitive are the only distinct ones I can think of. < 1323298715 859905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He/him/his/his/himself, they/them/their/theirs/themself < 1323298716 204572 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that list has 6 entries < 1323298724 497751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e/em/eir/eirs/emself (Spivak) < 1323298732 688109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um no. < 1323298745 597682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e/em/eir/eirs/eirself (Agoran Spivak) < 1323298745 774987 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i/me/my/mine/myself, i presume < 1323298764 479223 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"according the this WP article" is my favourite style of pronouns < 1323298775 343535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat :P < 1323298778 578828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*accordine < 1323298785 517373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "to this", surely? < 1323298793 690976 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1323298803 956033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My preferred according to this WP article pronoun is U+FFFF. < 1323298827 441400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a valid unicode character < 1323298841 795978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! < 1323298875 135098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1323298876 150634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1323298877 983175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dislikes the "ey" style of Spivak intensely. < 1323298888 702492 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dislikes Spivak intensely. < 1323298910 95379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spivaks intense dislikely < 1323298913 238352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's cuz you suck < 1323298968 331894 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dislikes pronouns < 1323298992 589015 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like them < 1323299010 293586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like AMATEURnouns < 1323299024 432157 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hereby declare no person shall use pronouns! From now on, shall omit nouns! < 1323299034 433149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, well, dislike < 1323299047 330941 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: concur! < 1323299050 926635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION could see this becoming confusing. < 1323299070 299341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: swat -----### < 1323299091 724033 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: One only omits when pronouns would be used. < 1323299116 968722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: If you keep this up for another two lines I'll start referring to you with null pronouns :P < 1323299163 340425 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Very well þen. I ſhall ſimply drift to archaic orþography. < 1323299201 277924 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ſo ſhall we all, I ſincerely hope. < 1323299213 173529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ſþ < 1323299218 815436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking they were on my compose key < 1323299225 785272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fs and th, respectively) < 1323299227 830328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sth --ais523 < 1323299261 838208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* maybe everyone should make all their comments /actual/ comments */ < 1323299289 952570 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual comments in what language < 1323299296 582158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esme < 1323299297 515798 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer doing it in proper languages such as Brainfuck < 1323299303 716186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch, oh no < 1323299312 559962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does esme have defined comment semantics? < 1323299321 996424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: iirc one of the example programs has something that /looks/ like a comic < 1323299330 166580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esme < 1323299334 228983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ooh, now I'm tempted to run all of #esoteric as a brainfuck program < 1323299342 472717 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which、of course、sucks without the full power of UNICODE。 < 1323299348 994059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anything beginning with a | can contain anything and is a comment" < 1323299358 740996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, how well-specified for esme < 1323299369 10649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example given contains a | at the end of a comment too < 1323299370 323443 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] < 1323299377 80791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1323299386 128076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe Cise then :P < 1323299388 994874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly < 1323299391 685390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it as an FYB program, that has defined semantics for mismatched brackets < 1323299407 835652 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses < 1323299411 458693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the way cise works, wouldn't something really long take millenia to do anything at all? < 1323299437 940025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1323299490 451070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot how awesome Talk:Esme was, incidentally < 1323299543 191969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Gregor: wow, these people on reddit are still claiming that you can perfectly determine object lifetime statically as long as there are no cycles < 1323299550 421577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reality distortion field lives on... < 1323299561 762487 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1323299562 440576 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1323299564 621096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was actually thinking about the whole refcount/GC thing < 1323299578 194859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :">I don't know what you mean by "the general case" but that is exactly what ARC does, so I'm going to say it is possible. < 1323299578 372484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lifetime of an object is not statically determinable; if it was, we wouldn't need runtime automatic memory management at all." < 1323299579 185626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--me < 1323299581 827563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It doesn't do cycle detection. It's reference counting; cyclic disconnected subgraphs will not be reclaimed. In the general case, the programmer sometimes needs to use zeroing weak references to avoid memory leaks." < 1323299584 118248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--reply < 1323299584 586596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wondering "what proportion of objects have statically determinable lifetimes?" < 1323299587 60730 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The "as long as there are no cycles" corollary is bizarre. < 1323299592 846450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I certainly didn't think that it would be all of them < 1323299596 764713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's because it's ~refcounting~ < 1323299609 609158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Everyone knows refcounting can't do cycles, therefore as long as you give that caveat, surely this impossible thing must work!! < 1323299622 652360 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not an uncommon optimization to stackify things with known lifetime, but it's not all objects :P < 1323299651 247331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: right, indeed < 1323299654 192189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was thinking of more than stackify < 1323299660 983594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: look into region inferecne < 1323299662 74888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather, "this object is always deallocated on line n" < 1323299662 560065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inference < 1323299677 83636 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fair enough. < 1323299678 2753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly you can do this kind of stuff in practice, but that's not what the "general case" means :) < 1323299682 137332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, indeed < 1323299685 70769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not disagreeing with you < 1323299695 23410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1323299695 265043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like wondering "how good an infinite loop detector is it possible to make?" < 1323299703 26672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's why I pointed you to existing work on the topic < 1323299710 889789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, thanks < 1323299738 315673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you have a citation for "any GC worth even half its salt will surpass [reference counting]"? I would like to think that the iOS engineering team didn't completely miss the ball when they decided that GC was too expensive for use on the iPhone." < 1323299740 176366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1323299827 680310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may like to think it all you like, doesn't make it true < 1323299827 857672 :shachaf!~shachaf@204.109.63.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's, like, Apple, man. < 1323299861 56231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it perfectly plausible that Apple's existing Objective-C GC was way too slow/thrashing on the original iPhone when it was being developed in 2006. :P < 1323299876 865428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't think "GC is too expensive", but "GC has the wrong performance characterstics" < 1323299918 320731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what's too slow to run on phones? < 1323299920 60646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective C. < 1323299923 789443 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1323299950 526958 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will go out on a limb and say that with very-restricted memory, refcounting will probably beat GC. Only because GC is thrash hell if it doesn't have enough space. < 1323299956 745674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1323299964 262054 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Not a limb :P ) < 1323299976 192410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original iPhone had 128 megs of RAM. < 1323299990 24883 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... srsly < 1323299999 948410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Srsly howso? < 1323300000 125838 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also find it easy to believe that Apple are durptards. < 1323300009 661274 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can definitely GC with 128MB of RAM :P < 1323300019 273582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yah, but it was also a REALLY slow CPU. < 1323300021 616467 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not if you're Apple and so all of your programs barely function with <1GB though *shrugs* < 1323300022 682785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how long ago was iPhone anyway? < 1323300025 680950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :412 MHz ARM. < 1323300042 47728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refcounting is slow, but the pauses are more predictable and spread-out than GC. < 1323300045 936773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 2007 < 1323300128 122014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm trying to figure out if 128MB RAM was huge or normal (for a phone) back then < 1323300142 823488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (iPhone 4S has 1 GHz dual-core ARM and 512 megs of RAM :P) < 1323300160 550158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So GC would definitely work nowadays, but I think Objective-C only admits conservative GCs, so perhaps not. < 1323300165 765169 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the project I was working on back then had something like 11MB of heap available for the application < 1323300184 776098 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhh yeah conservative GCs can be slow too. Unless of course they used Boehm. Which would definitely beat refcounting :P < 1323300190 272124 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also is easily and publicly available. < 1323300197 380154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: pretty big, I think < 1323300222 490698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't know that Boehm works with objc... < 1323300234 168928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Objective-C doesn't do much funny business, so maybe it would. < 1323300234 346667 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why wouldn't it? < 1323300253 816546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, OK :P < 1323300260 294515 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's friggin' Boehm :P < 1323300267 103975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: All you need is somewhere to use an offset rather than a pointer. < 1323300269 215700 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're xoring your pointers or writing them to disk, you're pretty much OK. < 1323300291 987555 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That offset is irrelevant if you don't have the pointer base somewhere ... unless you mean an offset into a /different/ object, in which case "OK" < 1323300307 914955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1323300323 948521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a xor linked list sitting around in some commonly-used library somewhere unnoticed < 1323300326 75694 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the things that break Boehm are /crazy/ :P < 1323300330 595429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causing weird bugs for Boehm programs < 1323300334 537886 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1323300357 976431 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-175.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1323300359 895949 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boehm has a #define to hide your pointers from the GC that just xors them against -1. < 1323300373 5788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-210-212.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1323300407 557219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I like my language-agnostic semantics-preserving conservative GC, which (a) is uncomputable and (b) would never free an object even if it wasn't. < 1323300409 321285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And X-D < 1323300417 748088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean ~0 :) < 1323300440 430935 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall how it specifies it, I thought it was -1 but it could be ~0 too. < 1323300454 113470 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose ~0 makes it portable to all the systems where you want GC and don't use 2s-complement. < 1323300464 160804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xoring with -1 would be weird on nonexistent non-2's-complement systems :P < 1323300475 172100 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And also you want GC. < 1323300485 59609 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think -1 and ~0 are the same for unsigned values, but you'd need to get -1 converted to unsigned rather than the other one to int < 1323300506 860030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Did I ever tell you how that impossible GC worked, it's great) < 1323300509 674402 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: They're the same for any kind of signedness ... and you need to convert them to a pointer regardless. < 1323300513 425524 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm afeared... < 1323300565 239007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It simply considers the computer's RAM as a single object, and applies every single function from -> to it; everything not in the resulting union'd set is freed. < 1323300576 263745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This handles xor'd linked lists, arithmetic, ... < 1323300584 736491 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1323300600 735702 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that every single function from -> also involves adding all possible numbers. < 1323300601 205067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: UNFORTUNATELY you need to include the hard drive and the entire internet in the state too, or it's breakable. < 1323300604 39967 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence, can't free anything. < 1323300606 380474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1323300607 937296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1323300610 853659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT it never breaks! < 1323300623 503367 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does malloc() without free() by that standard :P < 1323300624 591228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you have no IO :P < 1323300637 730589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, but that doesn't scan the heap, ergo it isn't a GC. < 1323300652 921368 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cpressey would argue that scanning the heap doesn't make it a GC> < 1323300669 93222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ~A -> ~B =/= A -> B < 1323300684 182877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scanning the heap is a necessary but not sufficient condition to be a GC. < 1323300713 689814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of cpressey, why haven't we discussed Madison in here yet? < 1323300759 284621 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, scanning the /entire/ heap isn't even a necessity. < 1323300764 814726 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to scan dead objects :P < 1323300785 126984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And you don't have to scan objects you can mathematically prove don't need to be, either :P < 1323300788 856424 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, that's only for a reachability-based GC. Crazy future GCs won't be rechability-based (haw haw haw DOUBLE RAINBOW) < 1323300796 714528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in the Apple universe, GCs are nops. < 1323300803 475755 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic-based GC < 1323300804 98375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not nops, just lists of free statements :) < 1323300816 749169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Heh, what's the FUTURE of GCs? < 1323300837 845811 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Every year at ISMM somebody makes a quip about non-reachability-based GCs. < 1323300849 591520 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And then everybody kinda stares at their shoes. < 1323300852 829495 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And then they move on. < 1323300859 878317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Noice < 1323300863 540367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, argh, I'm turning into you < 1323300864 393978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop it < 1323300886 447805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :greI can't think of anything that would be (a) non-reachability-based and (b) a GC by my definition of a GC... < 1323300889 411321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gregor: I < 1323300960 125794 :Gregor!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that the way we define GCs implies reachability. I'll tell you about my BRILLIANT (read: terrible) LRU-based GC once I get back from dinner :P < 1323301021 87093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory 64MB (8100 series) or 128MB (8220) Internal, MicroSD slot < 1323301021 264387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2006 BlackBerry Pearl) < 1323301033 701071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'll say that the iPhone had a large but not unheard of amount of memory for its time < 1323301040 72161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But smartphones in general were rare at the time, sooo < 1323301050 715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The average phone probably had like 3 bytes of RAM :P < 1323301053 396403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And probably still does.) < 1323301064 991475 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :S40 devices *still* give you only 2MB of heap, regardless of the amount of installed memory < 1323301089 328443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1323301091 715951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 megs? < 1323301093 876074 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1323301105 624984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1323301109 922153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much ram do they typically have < 1323301119 329340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually next year some models are coming out that give you *4MB* of heap, it's like insane < 1323301170 934406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd guess tens or hundreds of KB of RAM for a typical dumbphone, but it's just a guess < 1323301196 604878 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then, iirc, they've quadrupled the screen size) < 1323301200 696847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the most common phones are overwhelmingly Nokia's black-and-white models, iirc < 1323301210 666198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to their ubiquity less-developed countries < 1323301212 582850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ubiquity in < 1323301231 682291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all or most of those low-end nokias are S40 < 1323301239 247416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anything with S40 presumably has at least 2 megs of ram according to what olsner said, and that's the most readily-accessible dumbphone in the first world < 1323301244 427164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dumbphone OS < 1323301252 989027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, interesting < 1323301256 189396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not the monochrome ones, I don't think < 1323301369 81068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1202 < 1323301372 685888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :S30 is apparently a thing! < 1323301382 232441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_30_(software_platform) < 1323301389 545552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 1600 is HIDEOUS < 1323301592 177205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection