00:00:39 <Gregor> Feh, they don't combine right in this font.
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00:32:58 <elliott> 16:56:07: <Phantom_Hoover> kallisti, but why not just leave the animal alive so it generates more heat?
00:33:06 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Um excuse me the obvious thing to do is to cuddle a rabbit?
00:33:42 <elliott> HP announces that they will open source WebOS! (hp.com)
00:33:52 <elliott> FINALLY A MEDIOCRE OPEN-SOURCE LINUX-BASED MOBILE PHONE OPERATING SYSTEM!
00:33:55 <elliott> JUST WHAT I'VE ALWAYS WANTED
00:34:20 <elliott> 18:12:15: <Gregor> core.c:1:0: error: ISO C forbids an empty translation unit [-Werror=edantic]
00:35:00 <elliott> 19:29:04: <kallisti> is there a way to get find to put quotes around files?
00:35:00 <elliott> 19:29:18: <kallisti> or to otherwise make them readable by grep without spaces messing up things?
00:35:09 <elliott> kallisti: -exec or -print0 + xargs -0
00:35:42 <elliott> 19:29:46: <monqy> don't have spaces
00:36:05 <elliott> monqy: I would revoke your @ Club membership but spaces in filenames are pretty much hell in Unix.
00:37:42 <monqy> i was jokeing.................
00:37:59 <elliott> monqy: monqy....i know........
00:38:05 <monqy> elliott: .................................
00:38:28 <elliott> MegaUpload is currently being portrayed by the MPAA and RIAA as one of the world’s leading rogue sites. But top music stars including P Diddy, Will.i.am, Alicia Keys, Snoop Dogg and Kanye West disagree and are giving the site their full support in a brand new song. (torrentfreak.com)
00:38:32 <elliott> FINALLY A SONG ABOUT MEGAUPLOAD
00:38:50 <elliott> THANK YOU TOP MUSIC STARS INCLUDING P DIDDY, WILL.I.AM, ALICIA KEYS, SNOOP DOGG AND KANYE WEST!!!!
00:40:04 <elliott> "this isn't a song it's a fucking commercial." cry
00:40:09 <elliott> http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-label-artists-a-list-stars-endorse-megaupload-in-new-song-111209/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torrentfreak+%28Torrentfreak%29
00:40:32 <elliott> http://torrentfreak.com/images/megaartist2.jpg
00:40:47 <elliott> Kanye West, signed to Universal-owned Def Jam, likes to use Megaupload “…because it’s the fastest and safest way to send files – period.”
00:41:05 <elliott> i want to live in a world where top music stars tweet about their favourite upload sites
00:41:15 <monqy> and theyre all megaupload
00:41:19 <elliott> Snoop Dogg, signed to EMI-owned Priority, uses it “…because it keeps the kids off the street,”
00:41:48 <monqy> wow this songe............
00:42:17 <elliott> http://torrentfreak.com/images/megastats1.jpg i don't quite understand this, i've always thought megaupload was like one of the least professional looking upload site
00:42:40 <elliott> “It works like an ad blocker but instead of blocking ads we show ads coming from Megaclick, our ad network,” says Kim. “This way we will generate enough ad revenue to provide free premium services and licensed content so that our users can have it for free.”
00:42:47 <elliott> it works like an ad blocker but instead of blocking ads it shows ads
00:42:59 <elliott> heh that's actually quite clever though
00:43:05 <elliott> replace other people's ads with your ads and give them free shit for it
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00:43:19 <elliott> if you don't block ads and they're not annoying flash crap you havent' got much to lose from that
00:43:22 <elliott> unless the software is scummy
00:44:12 <hagb4rd> at least the lyrics are fine
00:44:35 <monqy> are we listening to the same song
00:44:47 <elliott> he's listening to the premium version
00:44:55 <elliott> http://torrentfreak.com/images/megastats2.jpg
00:44:58 <elliott> 8 times the population of atlanta
00:45:05 <elliott> Update: Universal Music has removed the video from YouTube on copyright grounds.
00:46:08 <hagb4rd> what is the difference between a duck?
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00:55:36 <elliott> monqy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Schmitz megaupload guy sure is legit
00:57:14 <elliott> "Am I the only one who suspects there's kickbacks being thrown around? The "song" seemed more like an advertising jingle to me."
00:57:20 <elliott> monqy: reddit finds out.....the HIDDEN TRUTH
01:20:49 <elliott> 21:49:48: <fizzie> The NUL-terminated strings have been called "The Most Expensive One-byte Mistake" in widely pasted-in-IRC-and-everywhere http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2010365 (disclaimer: this does not constitute endorsement of the aforementioned article)
01:20:57 <elliott> fizzie: Whereas null is the most expensive four-byte mistake.
01:21:01 <elliott> Or was it two in those days?
01:21:10 <elliott> 21:50:20: <Sgeo> What expensive mistakes are there? NUL-terminate strings, null, what else?
01:21:29 <elliott> Sgeo: Computers. Capitalism. Civilisation. Life. The universe. Everything.
01:22:01 <Sgeo> I just thought of something
01:22:21 <Sgeo> Could Haskell strings be thought of as null-terminated strings, even if that's not what they are physically?
01:22:32 <Sgeo> After all, they're terminated by a sentinel value
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01:22:48 <Sgeo> Well, hmm, not quite the right way to describe it
01:23:39 <Sgeo> Issues of run-time complexity should crop up identically. Issues of inability to deal with what should be a valid character don't.
01:23:47 <elliott> Sgeo: Not really, since [] is in the tail position, not the head position
01:24:30 <Sgeo> In what way do NUL-terminated strings have a sentinel at the head?
01:25:13 <elliott> (:) 'a' ((:) 'b' ((:) 'c' ((:) '\0' ...)))
01:25:32 <elliott> Note how NUL occurs as first argument to (:), not second
01:26:42 <elliott> 22:06:44: <kallisti> a python error-quine would be the worst.
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01:27:06 <elliott> 22:09:08: <kallisti> oerjan: there
01:27:06 <elliott> 22:09:11: <kallisti> null quine.
01:27:06 <elliott> 22:09:12: <kallisti> we win.
01:27:13 <elliott> kallisti: nope, EgoBot didn't respond with a 0-byte message
01:27:33 <elliott> actually if the logs' lack of space after "bf" is accurate then it'd have to be a -1-byte message
01:27:35 <Sgeo> elliott, that sounds like a fancy way of saying that unlike Haskell lists, \0 is actually a value just like other characters
01:27:57 <Sgeo> It doesn't solve run-time time-complexity issues
01:27:57 <elliott> Sgeo: Nah, you could have Maybe Char instead
01:28:08 <elliott> I'm not trying to solve any "issues".
01:28:17 <elliott> I'm just making a point that [] is fundamentally different from a sentinel.
01:28:47 <Sgeo> I guess the big problem with NUL-terminated strings is that it's a sentinel, rather than the time it takes to deal with them?
01:28:50 <elliott> data Stream a = Cons a (Stream a); abc :: Stream (Maybe Char); abc = Cons (Just 'a') . Cons (Just 'b') . Cons (Just 'c') . Cons Nothing $ undefined
01:28:54 <elliott> That's more like C strings.
01:28:59 <elliott> Where undefined represents your program segfaulting :P
01:29:13 <zzo38> In Haskell of course you do not need things like '\0' at the end since you can just find the end of the list.
01:29:19 <elliott> Sgeo: Well, length being O(n) sucks too
01:29:56 <zzo38> Yes, which memory encoding of strings you use is best really depend on purposes
01:30:39 <Sgeo> Laziness without lazy I/O is not as much fun as lazy I/O, I think
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01:33:43 <Sgeo> elliott, what are some nice uses of string laziness?
01:34:06 <elliott> It's just list laziness...
01:34:28 <elliott> If you're asking me to explain to you why laziness is beneficial for algorithms in general, uhh, I'm not qualified to teach such a fundamental thing.
01:38:28 <Gregor> <elliott> Gregor: E...dantic? <-- apparently -pedantic enables the somewhat lexically confused -Werror=edantic
01:38:50 <elliott> Gregor: -pedantic-errors, surely
01:39:08 <Sgeo> I'd like to know if it's known whether laziness is a net positive or a net negative. Although I'd guess (only a guess, I may be not knowledgeable enough to guess) that laziness is good for time-complexity and bad for space-complexity
01:39:19 <Gregor> elliott: Err, yes, but I had -pedantic -Werror, so equivalent.
01:39:34 <elliott> Sgeo: That's... not something that can be objectively decided.
01:39:43 <Sgeo> elliott, kallisti update
01:39:52 <elliott> Gregor: I bet it's a frontend bug; it probably does printf("[enabled by -Wall=%s]", option_name+1);.
01:39:58 <Sgeo> elliott, kallisti nope, sorry
01:40:20 <elliott> Sgeo: Anyway, strictness is easier to do in a lazy language than laziness in a strict one.
01:40:24 <Gregor> -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic tells you nice things such as the fact that strdup isn't part of the C standard. Or POSIX until 2008.
01:40:54 <elliott> Making a lazy program strict is just putting seqs everywhere (which is trivial with sugar); making a strict programs lazy involves lots and lots of thunk creation and redefining data types and bullshit.
01:41:11 <elliott> ofc a fully-strict lazy program has overhead.
01:41:29 <elliott> Although I wouldn't be surprised if GHC can avoid building up unevaluated thunks entirely if you make everything strict.
01:41:39 <kallisti> and a fully strict program would be awful to write in Haskell.
01:41:41 <HackEgo> 492) <ais523> 99% OF USES OF STRDUP ARE ILLEGAL!
01:42:37 <Gregor> I mean, mine have #define _SVID_SOURCE at the top. 'cuz hell yeah System V Interfaces Definition.
01:43:03 <Gregor> `@ elliott quote strdup
01:43:05 <HackEgo> elliott: 492) <ais523> 99% OF USES OF STRDUP ARE ILLEGAL!
01:43:10 <kallisti> hmm, strings can be pretty large considering that they're immutable in many languages/programs
01:43:28 <kallisti> that's a lot of copying to do.
01:43:31 <Gregor> elliott: You put "Gregor:" on a separate line in spite of the fact that you implemented `@ :P
01:43:33 <elliott> kallisti: Dude, that's what sharing is for.
01:43:42 <elliott> Obviously Python doesn't do that, but it's Python.
01:43:56 <kallisti> elliott: what languages do sharing besides Haskell?
01:44:06 <elliott> Every... language with pointers?
01:44:15 <elliott> Python just can't share strings because it uses a flat byte-array representation.
01:44:29 <kallisti> don't count as "languages with immutable strings"
01:44:40 <elliott> I never said they did. You are confused.
01:44:40 <kallisti> unless the strings are... immutable still. :P
01:45:20 <Jafet> Haskell doesn't do sharing
01:45:42 <kallisti> elliott: also perl doesn't really do sharing (I think?)
01:45:43 <elliott> "Enjoy happy hour premium with Mega Manager weekdays from 9am to 11am UTC."
01:45:58 <elliott> kallisti: So if I put a 1 gigabyte object in a list in Perl, it copies it?
01:46:00 <kallisti> elliott: not without explicit reference handling
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01:46:18 <elliott> my @foo = ($a, $a, $a, $a); # 4 copies of $a?
01:46:22 <kallisti> elliott: because an object in a list is a ref.
01:47:12 <kallisti> elliott: well, perl /might/ share strings. I honestly don't know. the semantics aren't clearly documented if that's the case.
01:47:29 <elliott> You are again confused by thinking that sharing has anything to do with whether strings are byte arrays or not.
01:47:46 <kallisti> elliott: you are confused in that you somehow think that's what I'm talking about?
01:47:58 <kallisti> when, as I recall, you are the only one who mentioned that.
01:50:19 <kallisti> !perl my $a = 2; my @foo = ($a,$a,$a,$a); $a++; print @foo
01:51:15 <kallisti> !perl my $a = "aaaaaaaaaaaaah"; my @foo = ($a,$a,$a,$a); splice $a, 0, 2; print @foo
01:51:16 <EgoBot> Type of arg 1 to splice must be array (not private variable) at /tmp/input.32432 line 1, near "2;"
01:51:50 <kallisti> !perl my $a = "aaaaaaaaaaaaah"; my @foo = ($a,$a,$a,$a); $a =~ s/a/x/g; print @foo
01:51:51 <EgoBot> aaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaah
01:52:55 <kallisti> elliott: so yes, unless perl does something fancy, there are four copies of $a.
01:53:47 <elliott> No, that's a fucking idiotic test because even if it did do what you're saying it doesn't (which isn't really about sharing at all) WITHOUT doing anything fancy you'd still get those results.
01:54:19 <kallisti> elliott: please tell me what I meant to say then.
01:54:45 <Sgeo> =~ doesn't mutate $a?
01:55:19 <kallisti> if it didn't 99% of my perl programs are broken and yet magically work.
01:55:25 <elliott> !perl my $a = 0; my $b = $a; $a++; print "$b\n";
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01:55:49 <elliott> OH SHIT MAYBE $a++ IS JUST SUGAR FOR $a=$a+1 AND NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUTATION
01:55:55 <elliott> AND MAYBE... JUST MAYBE... =~ IS ANALOGUOUS
01:56:00 <hagb4rd> try sth like $a = 0; $foo.add($a); $a=1; $foo.add($a); and so on
01:56:05 <elliott> And maybe you don't know the difference between a variable and the value inside.
01:56:12 <kallisti> elliott: I think you're confused about what I'm saying.
01:56:24 <elliott> kallisti: I'm not, but I'm also done with this idiocy.
01:56:51 <Sgeo> So, how is this not a trivially obvious result?
01:57:01 <kallisti> Sgeo: it is a trivially obvious result.
01:57:08 <kallisti> he was trying to prove some point that wasn't entirely clear.
01:57:53 <hagb4rd> if $a is reference in the list, all values in the list would be the same, right?
01:58:19 <kallisti> my claim was basically "perl makes copies of very large strings because of normal pass by value semantics"
01:58:26 <kallisti> but, it apparently has something to do with byte arrays.
01:58:42 <Sgeo> I think elliott assumed you thought it had something to do with byte arrays
01:59:03 <kallisti> perhaps elliott thinks he's me sometimes, and so he confuses things he says with things I say.
01:59:17 <elliott> Sgeo will be your human chinese whispers simulation fort he night.
01:59:50 <elliott> lol, the name "chinese whispers" apparently comes from Chinese being incomprehensible to Europeans
02:00:25 <kallisti> I had to look up what that even is.
02:00:53 <kallisti> because I'm an American. If something applies to "the world" it probably doesn't apply to "the United States"
02:01:38 <elliott> I think it's only called chinese whispers over here.
02:03:15 <pikhq> Here we've got the much less racist name "telephone".
02:04:20 <kallisti> you need to have a civil war involving (among other things) a slave trade followed by years of injustice followed by a peaceful reform movement followed by tension and inequality that continues into the 21st century.. in order to see the error of your ways
02:04:20 <elliott> I'll call it that in the future when I talk about it :P (which will be: never)
02:04:45 <elliott> kallisti: Yes, in the UK we have absolutely no racial tension and equality.
02:05:17 <elliott> That is why right-wingers are so fucking scared of immigrants.
02:06:01 <kallisti> elliott: especially Muslims right?
02:06:21 <kallisti> elliott: I recently learned about some conspiracy theory that people believe in Europe that /muslims are taking over Europe/ or something?
02:07:23 <Sgeo> My dad was talking about something in France, and apparently shares Gingritch's concern about Muslims taking over the US
02:08:05 <elliott> We sent them packing and they were like "alright, where can we try next".
02:08:36 <kallisti> elliott: Barack /HUSSEIN/ Obama
02:08:43 <kallisti> elliott: it's already happened apparently.
02:08:52 <elliott> I'm kind of astonished you guys elected a guy with "Hussein" in his name.
02:09:06 <kallisti> it's because he's so black. and motivational.
02:09:41 <kallisti> these are all things that concern us Americans
02:11:11 <kallisti> my state produces awesome politicians. see: Newt Gingrich
02:12:59 <kallisti> (in case it wasn't clear, I think Georgia is a shit state.)
02:18:11 <hagb4rd> so one of the republicans next candidates for president is black too, right?..that kind of surprised me
02:18:49 <elliott> hagb4rd: herman cain is out
02:19:04 <elliott> well i don't think he's officially out yet but he's "suspended his campaign" and there's no way it's gonna continue
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02:22:45 <pikhq> hagb4rd: He's fucked up in all the ways Republicans like, so eh.
02:23:57 <Sgeo> There was an Onion thing about that
02:24:07 <Gregor> Republicans will suspend racism if the candidate is sufficiently nutty.
02:24:18 <Gregor> Same reason why all their female candidates have been batshit insane.
02:24:26 <Gregor> (Well, sexism there of course)
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02:25:14 <Gregor> If they ever find a woman to elect to the office of President on the platform of ending women's suffrage, she'll be their nominee.
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02:28:41 <zzo38> The book "Science Made Stupid" ends with a list of things that might happen in the future (some already have), one of them is a woman president. Some things in the list are reasonable but a few are just funny instead.
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02:31:20 <elliott> <Gregor> Republicans will suspend racism if the candidate is sufficiently nutty.
02:31:20 <elliott> <Gregor> Same reason why all their female candidates have been batshit insane.
02:31:20 <elliott> <Gregor> (Well, sexism there of course)
02:31:26 <elliott> Gregor: For some definition of "suspend" :P
02:31:42 <HackEgo> Deathly: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
02:31:48 <pikhq> If they find a black gay atheist woman to elect to the office of President on the platform of ending suffrage for all of the above, there won't be any other nominees.
02:32:10 <Gregor> !bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>++++++<<<<-]>--.>+.----.+++++++++++++++++++.------------.++++.+++++++++++++.>>--.<++.<<++++++++++++++++.++++++++++++++++++++.+.>------.>.<<.>.>.<<----.>.----.+++++.<.>--.---------.<--.>>>------------.<----------------------.
02:32:10 <EgoBot> Deathly: This is esoteric.
02:32:21 <pikhq> Well, except Ron Paul.
02:32:53 <pikhq> Who, of course, runs on the platform of "the federal government should do nothing!"
02:33:10 <elliott> Deathly: You just forfeited your privilege to be treat nicely by me with that :(
02:33:44 <elliott> because i'm a bad person :'(
02:33:53 <Gregor> pikhq: And of course Rick Perry, saying that there's something wrong with a country where gays can serve in the military but we don't elect a douchebag as president.
02:34:03 <elliott> `addquote <Gregor> pikhq: And of course Rick Perry, saying that there's something wrong with a country where gays can serve in the military but we don't elect a douchebag as president.
02:34:06 <HackEgo> 752) <Gregor> pikhq: And of course Rick Perry, saying that there's something wrong with a country where gays can serve in the military but we don't elect a douchebag as president.
02:34:26 <Gregor> That was definitely not the most quotable quote of this conversation :P
02:34:32 <Deathly> you're the kind of person that would pass laws to protect it's government from it's own citizenship.
02:34:53 <elliott> Deathly: To protect... it is government from it is own citizenship?
02:34:58 <Gregor> I'm also the kind of person that would use "its" and "it's" properly.
02:35:00 <Deathly> the first sign of corruption in government in my book.
02:35:10 <elliott> Deathly: So what Presidential candidate do you support
02:35:14 <hagb4rd> `addqote <zzo38>The book "Science Made Stupid" ends with a list of things that might happen in the future (some already have), one of them is a woman president. Some things in the list are reasonable but a few are just funny instead.
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02:35:33 <pikhq> Deathly: Um? Where the heck is that coming from, anyways?
02:35:41 <hagb4rd> `addquote <zzo38>The book "Science Made Stupid" ends with a list of things that might happen in the future (some already have), one of them is a woman president. Some things in the list are reasonable but a few are just funny instead.
02:35:43 <pikhq> No, but "it's" is "it is"
02:35:44 <HackEgo> 753) <zzo38>The book "Science Made Stupid" ends with a list of things that might happen in the future (some already have), one of them is a woman president. Some things in the list are reasonable but a few are just funny instead.
02:36:08 <elliott> <elliott> Deathly: So what Presidential candidate do you support
02:36:12 <Deathly> it's ok, because it's just grammar
02:36:41 * elliott doesn't actually care about grammar/orthography/etc. except when he's trying to be an asshole.
02:36:51 <Gregor> elliott: Same 'ere 8-D
02:37:00 <elliott> Deathly: You seem to be in 1980.
02:37:14 <elliott> Deathly: Which is great, because IRC doesn't exist and so you cannot possibly be here.
02:37:14 <pikhq> Deathly: You seem to believe in necrocracy.
02:37:17 <Deathly> i'm stuck in Commodore Basic 4.0 too
02:37:23 <elliott> Man, *I* believe in necrocracy!
02:37:28 <elliott> Who couldn't believe in something with a name like that?
02:37:35 <Gregor> elliott: Uhh, excuse me, I think something is wrong with a country where gays can serve openly in the military but we can't elect a zombie president.
02:37:43 <zzo38> hagb4rd: You forgot one space, I think
02:38:17 <Deathly> 10 PRINT "RON PAUL RLOVEUTION! ";:GOTO 10
02:39:07 <Gregor> R...love...ution ... is this some kind of broken portmanteau of "revolution" and "love" ... by making part of the word almost as backwards as Ron Paul himself ... ?
02:39:07 <elliott> Gregor: "Something is wrong with a country where gays can serve openly in the military but I can't seem to find any of them in public restrooms." --Rick Perry
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02:39:52 <elliott> Deathly: rloveution <-- please tell me you're serious
02:40:08 <elliott> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/23/politics/uwire/main3745648.shtml
02:40:10 <Deathly> Please don't tell me you're not trolling.
02:40:43 <elliott> Deathly: thank you, you've helped prove to me that no matter how ridiculous I think ron paul is, he will always be way more ridiculous than that
02:41:12 <Deathly> I'm voting Ron Paul, just because I can.
02:42:26 <Deathly> does Excalibur give you agrivate monster?
02:42:54 <hagb4rd> yea blame socialism and become president..old fashioned but efficient
02:44:03 <Gregor> elliott: Post found on Rick Perry's FB wall:
02:44:04 <Gregor> I am an admirer of the Confederate States of America and no doubt a substantial number of the men who fought under the Confederate Battle Flags were homosexuals, it would not surprise me either if some lesbians joined the CSA front-line military forces by disguising themselves as men. I opposed the repeal of DADT not because I supported it but because it was hugely hypocritical of Obama who as an Islamist or FT supports murdering gay and lesbian people,
02:44:04 <Gregor> to be falsely posturing himself as a friend of the LGBTI community. That said DADT was stupid and now that it is gone, it would be idiotic to reinstate it.
02:44:31 <Deathly> terrorists are everywhere, if you see them in your neighborhood, call homeland security! remember only YOU can prevent forest communis... terrorists.
02:44:46 <Gregor> elliott: JUST TAKE IT ALL IN
02:45:25 <elliott> Gregor: I'm trying to reconcile the fact that this guy supports the Confederacy and thinks Obama is a muslim but also supports LGBT rights.
02:45:44 <Gregor> elliott: It's amazing, innit.
02:46:03 <Deathly> and the best part is, it's all trooo
02:46:47 <Gregor> As a troll though, it's a piece of art.
02:46:48 <Deathly> <Deathly> isnt doom 3 just doom 2 with an extra level?
02:46:48 <Deathly> <Deathly> or was that doom 2?
02:47:48 <monqy> doom 2 is just doom 2 with an extra level, yes
02:50:50 <elliott> the extra level is a game where you flip a coin but it's really really big
02:51:23 <Deathly> how are you supposed to tell the difference between ice and nonice in the valkyrie quest with colors off?
02:52:12 <Sgeo> elliott, keep in mind that some supporter of idea X being an idiot implies nothing about X
02:52:19 <Sgeo> Well, hmm, not sure if it's "nothing"
02:53:13 <pikhq> elliott: Not just a Muslim, an Islamist.
02:53:20 <Deathly> or at least it seems that way when you are in the intellectual 99th percentile
02:54:16 <Deathly> <Deathly> i remember playing doom
02:54:18 <Deathly> <Deathly> that game rocked
02:54:18 <Deathly> <Deathly> it was so much better than commander keen
02:54:53 <Deathly> they dont like talking about doom 1 or 2 i guess
02:56:23 <monqy> sometime i should play doom
02:56:55 <elliott> pikhq: Hm, there's a difference?
02:56:58 <elliott> <Deathly> idiots are everywhere
02:57:00 <elliott> <Deathly> or at least it seems that way when you are in the intellectual 99th percentile
02:57:13 <elliott> Deathly: I hope you realise just how brilliantly ironic that statement is.
02:57:23 <monqy> did someone actually say that
02:57:27 <monqy> where someone is Deathly
02:57:40 <elliott> it's right above what you said
02:57:41 <hagb4rd> need to checkout the ipx emulation in dosbox..
02:58:11 <monqy> i didn;t notice it
02:58:19 <Sgeo> forall intelligence levels I: #esoteric > I
02:58:58 <Deathly> a pleasure to meet you sir, i'm sure.
02:59:24 <monqy> it is always a pleasure to meet me. i am a very pleasureful person.
02:59:44 <monqy> sometimes i meet myself
02:59:47 <monqy> it fills me with joy
02:59:56 <Deathly> i'd love to meat you in real life ;)
03:00:11 <elliott> monqy it hink Deathly want syou to fuck his typos.........
03:00:21 <monqy> but thats grosse........
03:00:40 <elliott> leave it to taneb............
03:00:55 <monqy> gross killed my familey............
03:01:02 <Deathly> i am trying to collect all the STD's.
03:01:15 <Deathly> they are like pokemon to me, I gotta catchem all.
03:01:59 <elliott> read the entire contents of encyclopedia dramatica
03:02:04 <elliott> finally i am ready to interact with people on irc."
03:02:18 <Deathly> i've been making fun of channers for years
03:02:40 <elliott> you were mocking channers since 1999
03:02:50 <elliott> that's quite dedicated of you!!!!!!
03:02:56 <Deathly> well, i didnt start IRCing until 1994
03:02:57 <monqy> he was the channers all alonge....
03:03:23 <elliott> (the joke is that by "chans" deathly means "4chan & imitators")
03:03:28 <elliott> (it is not a joke i am actually just mocking him)
03:03:37 * Deathly fondly remembers the days when getting a netsplit on efnet was as simple as a pingflood from a t3
03:04:07 <elliott> Deathly: no what i did there
03:04:14 <elliott> is point out that 4chan wasn't the first "-chan"
03:04:16 <monqy> what did elliott do
03:04:19 <monqy> please tell me i want to know
03:04:28 <Deathly> irc channels existed with trolls all over long before *chan
03:04:56 <Deathly> nothing, i'm a spice girl!
03:05:08 <monqy> old enough to irc in 1994
03:05:22 <Deathly> i used to irc from a commodore 64.
03:05:47 <elliott> here is a thing i am doing:
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03:05:50 <elliott> it is doubting that statement
03:05:50 <Deathly> dialup into a unix shell, then telnet directly to the port
03:06:17 <Deathly> then USER nul nul :Deathly
03:06:22 <elliott> anyway if you're actually 39 then that's pretty sad
03:06:27 <elliott> but you could probably make itidus20 feel better
03:06:30 <elliott> Deathly: user takes four parameters
03:06:35 <zzo38> To IRC from Commodore 64 you need the character set conversion, since Commodore 64 is not standard ASCII
03:06:38 <Deathly> then PRIVMSG #phreak :Lol, I made it!
03:06:54 <elliott> and you've never used a commodore 64
03:06:58 <Deathly> CCGMS had a standard ascii mode terminal
03:07:04 <monqy> deathly did you lie to me....................
03:07:09 <monqy> deathly...........................................
03:07:24 <elliott> you see, this way i can just believe you're a good liar
03:07:24 <Deathly> you hit F1 or something to switch between petscii and ascii
03:07:32 <elliott> rather than confronting as depressing at hought as you actually being 39
03:07:39 <zzo38> Deathly: Yes, I did connect to IRC like that before too, but I didn't use a Commodore 64. But now I wrote a IRC client
03:08:08 <Deathly> what would you like to know about it
03:08:21 <Deathly> i used to program in 6502 assembler
03:08:29 <zzo38> Nothing, you already told me what I wanted to know about it.
03:08:31 <Deathly> there was freespace above the kernel at $C000
03:08:45 <elliott> i am so glad we know good people who coded in 6502 for the c64
03:08:47 <elliott> so that we don't have to rely on
03:08:53 <hagb4rd> what is the adress of the stdbackground color? :P
03:10:04 <Deathly> wow thats stretching my memory there
03:10:48 <zzo38> I should learn a few things about the Commodore 64 BASIC and the BASIC for some other computers so that I can make the computer compatible with the type-in programs from books
03:11:17 <Deathly> i know lots about 8-butt basic
03:11:26 <zzo38> But I am going to put Forth as well; probably the BASIC interpreter will just be a Forth program.
03:11:42 <monqy> my basic never had any butts...........................deathly what did you do to your basic
03:11:50 <Deathly> just pirate the microsoft basic from your favorite 8bit rom
03:11:52 <monqy> butts are obscene deathly
03:13:03 <zzo38> Deathly: That is no good because, not only might it be copyrighted but it is not source-codes and is meant for a different computer anyways. I need to make the one with GNU GPL and with the codes for the new computer.
03:13:09 <hagb4rd> so you lost interest in computers somehow?
03:13:35 <zzo38> Other changes would need to be, too, due to various other differences in the computer, etc
03:14:34 <Deathly> i didnt lost interest in computers
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03:15:02 <Deathly> said i was too old... obsolete
03:15:35 <zzo38> There is still emulators and some people still write NES games
03:15:55 <Deathly> i'm playing nethack to pass the time until i die
03:16:22 <zzo38> Deathly: Why don't you learn something else please?
03:16:46 <Deathly> every time i start teaching myself another language, i get bored
03:16:49 <zzo38> Esoteric programming, is one possibility
03:16:55 <zzo38> Another is Haskell.
03:17:18 <zzo38> But, there is also other thing such as learning a computer game that I made or if someone else in this channel make up computer game, learn that one too
03:17:21 <monqy> what languages have bored you, or is it just the learning
03:17:38 <HackEgo> Haskell is preferred by 9 out of 10 esoteric programmers. Ask your GP today! http://learnyouahaskell.com/
03:17:44 <Deathly> java is like c++ is like c is like boring
03:17:55 <elliott> haskell "exactly like java"
03:18:01 <Deathly> i get the object orriented stuff
03:18:14 <monqy> deathly deathly deathly
03:18:25 <zzo38> Deathly: Haskell is different. Haskell is functional programming, like mathematics, including monads and endofunctors and all those kind of things
03:18:29 <Deathly> i get the gui event driven software structures of modern os design
03:18:31 <elliott> monqy: can you record yourself sighing and then going "deathly. deathly, deathly deathly."
03:18:47 <monqy> i don't have a recorder ;_;
03:19:04 <Gregor> He was going to play a little tune while also recording with his microphone.
03:19:08 <Deathly> is that like one of those plastic flute things?
03:19:21 <Gregor> Flutes are transverse, recorders are fipple-blown.
03:19:29 <elliott> i used to be able to play the recorder ("play")
03:19:37 <Gregor> elliott: Then you took an arrow to the face?
03:19:44 <Deathly> always wondered the difference
03:19:56 <monqy> I never learned recorder. I forget how.
03:19:59 <Deathly> flutes are also used to drink wine
03:20:19 <Gregor> You can probably play those too, but it'd be a pretty different sound :P
03:20:20 <Deathly> i learned song flute, which was the same key and fingerings as a recorder
03:20:28 <hagb4rd> only by weird anient greeks
03:21:13 <elliott> monqy: you forget how you never learned it?
03:21:18 <Deathly> greeks used to think it was ok to have sex with prepubescant boys
03:21:26 <monqy> everyone was all about the recorder
03:21:28 <monqy> learning it and stuff
03:22:20 <monqy> we're you, deathly
03:22:35 <Deathly> I thought i left you all on efnet
03:22:42 <monqy> I'm the part of you that says deathly a lot and never learned recorder
03:22:51 <Gregor> We're the chorus of conflicting thoughts which eventually meld into cohesion in your mind whenever you try to form a thought.
03:22:51 <elliott> you can distinguish it from efnet because:
03:22:53 <hagb4rd> we're friends. hired idiots
03:22:58 <elliott> 1. it's not a pile of steaming trash
03:23:11 <Deathly> should play ode to freen on the recorder
03:23:25 <Gregor> elliott: Go chat in #asciipr0n :P
03:23:40 <pikhq> We are the cacaphony of your thoughts
03:23:46 <elliott> Gregor: Holy fuck, it actually is.
03:23:51 <pikhq> But not the melody.
03:23:52 <elliott> Gregor: You... you have to join that now.
03:23:56 <elliott> Gregor: Or I'll look weird.
03:24:02 <elliott> Gregor: JOIN AND THEN PART
03:24:04 <monqy> I did a chanserv lookup
03:24:07 <monqy> this is how I do things
03:24:09 <elliott> monqy im not smart enough for that
03:24:11 <monqy> so I don't look weird
03:24:23 <elliott> /part #asciipr0n hahaha weirdos!
03:24:36 <zzo38> I made a few computer game
03:24:51 <monqy> i have ascii dignity!!!!!
03:24:55 <zzo38> Including game for running in DOS computer. But some of them are other
03:25:13 <elliott> monqy: it's only... ascii porn... the unicode bits stay covered
03:25:41 <Gregor> `addquote <elliott> monqy: it's only... ascii porn... the unicode bits stay covered
03:25:44 <HackEgo> 754) <elliott> monqy: it's only... ascii porn... the unicode bits stay covered
03:25:53 <Deathly> is literotica technically ascii porn?
03:26:17 <elliott> Deathly: is male erotica not ascii porn
03:26:18 <Gregor> Deathly: NIFTY.ORG BEGS TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR QUALIFIER
03:26:34 <elliott> Gregor's favourite website
03:26:45 <elliott> as we have previously established
03:26:48 <zzo38> Instead of ASCII porn, buy ASCII pizza instead???????
03:27:29 <elliott> * Now talking on #asciipz1za
03:27:29 <elliott> * adams.freenode.net sets mode +n #asciipz1za
03:27:29 <elliott> * adams.freenode.net sets mode +s #asciipz1za
03:27:29 <elliott> * elliott has changed the topic to: my channel! mine
03:27:56 <zzo38> What color of pizza?
03:28:04 <Deathly> #asciichildpr0n100%daddydaughtersex
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03:29:06 <elliott> edgy people: worst people?
03:29:36 <elliott> edgiest people: murder your family wearing trollface mask, before you die, leans in, whispers "u mad bro?"
03:30:05 <monqy> surely you can be edgier than that..........................
03:32:49 <zzo38> Try to win at the computer game I invented.
03:33:34 <zzo38> Then call some really big guy to do that
03:33:44 <elliott> monqy: the game throws depth...
03:34:12 <monqy> double game: find a guy big enough to flip the coin, then flip him
03:34:37 <monqy> or her, if the guy is not him
03:34:46 <Deathly> judo masters can flip anyone
03:34:59 <monqy> is judo done with thumbs
03:35:14 <Deathly> its like kung fu but less kung and more fu
03:35:24 <monqy> you need to use your thumbs!!!
03:35:37 <zzo38> Deathly: I made many computer games
03:36:12 <monqy> i have to leave now, for partys
03:38:12 <Deathly> wait, this isn't #wikipedia-en
03:38:34 <elliott> #wikipedia-en must hate you
03:38:34 <zzo38> Wikipedia is the other way around please.
03:41:27 <zzo38> Including this game: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/ascmzxto.zip But you need MegaZeux to use this file
03:41:58 <zzo38> Windows MegaZeux program download: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/mzx_extended/megazeux_win32.zip
03:42:02 <Deathly> 10 PRINT "WELCOME TO ASTROIDS! PRESS RETURN TO PLAY!"
03:42:25 <Deathly> 30 PRINT "* * * ASTROIDS! YOU LOSE! * * *"
03:42:50 <zzo38> Deathly: That doesn't seem a very good game in my opinion.
03:43:07 <Deathly> 10 PRINT "WELCOME TO ADVENTURE!"
03:43:24 <Deathly> 20 PRINT "YOU ARE IN A HOLE IN THE GROUND. WHAT DO YOU DO";
03:44:04 <zzo38> 40 PRINT "THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE."
03:44:05 <Deathly> 40 IF RND(1)<.05 THEN PRINT "IT WORKED! YOU GOT OUT!":END
03:44:17 <Deathly> 50 PRINT "THAT DID'T WORK!":GOTO 20
03:44:55 <zzo38> Deathly: Perhaps that is slightly better......but still not very good game in my opinion......
03:45:06 <zzo38> I made a few games using QBASIC
03:45:35 <zzo38> Do you have QBASIC in your computer?
03:45:36 <Deathly> 10 INPUT "CALL HEADS OR TAILS:";A$
03:46:03 <zzo38> Yes, I have used GWBASIC too.
03:46:14 <zzo38> I have used a lot of programming languages.
03:47:06 <Deathly> I WROTE A SCRIPT ONCE IN DBASE 2 ON AN OSBORNE CP/M MACHINE
03:47:20 <Deathly> I WROTE A VIDEO POKER GAME IN CP/M BASIC
03:47:34 <Deathly> thinking of BASIC makes me type in all caps for some reason
03:47:49 <zzo38> I have never used any CP/M
03:48:18 <Deathly> i didnt use it until i inherited some boxen in the late 80s
03:48:22 <zzo38> I have written a GameBoy game once, it is similar to Z80 but not quite
03:48:46 <Deathly> my first computer was actually a commodore vic-20
03:48:53 <Deathly> no storage peripheral though
03:49:09 <Deathly> so it was turn it on, type it in, debug it, run it, rinse & repeat
03:49:18 <Deathly> on a 11" black and white TV
03:49:46 <Deathly> my dad was too chincy to pay $30 for a tape drive
03:50:12 <Deathly> but, on the plus side 3.5k of RAM wasnt that difficult to fill with code
03:50:51 <Deathly> it technically had 5k ram, but 1.5 was used by the kernel and interpretter
03:51:11 <Deathly> it was the only computer i ever used that had more text rows than columns
03:56:44 <itidus20> You have been targetted for governation.
03:57:19 <itidus20> Either you vote for me or you get killed by me. I guess it's your lucky day kid.
03:58:16 <zzo38> What programs do you prefer for typesetting? I think TeX is good program for typesetting by computer
03:58:46 <monqy> Deathly: cool games
04:00:09 <monqy> zzo38: I have not tried enough to develop a preference
04:00:40 <monqy> Deathly: what is your real age im couriouse
04:00:53 <monqy> your lies have piqued my
04:12:50 <monqy> i dont believe you
04:13:03 <monqy> 42 is such a boring fake age
04:15:55 <monqy> i still have trouble accepting you are that old
04:18:10 <monqy> do you see my tears
04:18:27 <Deathly> you understand of course, that i'm a child mollester, so you're still in the running bby
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04:27:04 <Gregor> Ohhey, he's from Portland or thereabouts.
04:29:07 <monqy> its hard being in the 99th percentile ;_;
04:29:21 <monqy> and nobody understands your elite humoure
04:31:25 <monqy> unique like a snowflake
04:31:47 <Deathly> how do you scare a snowflake?
04:31:58 <elliott> Deathly: go go go go go go go
04:32:09 <monqy> see im not sophisticated enough to get that one
04:32:12 <monqy> i'll have to study
04:33:43 <zzo38> Try the computer games I made up, if you don't like it then modify it, it is public domain
04:40:46 <MDude> I didn't know you made comptuer games.
04:41:55 <zzo38> MDude: Then, now you learned.
04:42:52 <Deathly> where are your games zzo38
04:44:10 <zzo38> I posted one URL already. That one is MegaZeux game it works on many computers. I also made a few games that are only DOS, a few only Windows, and one GameBoy game.
04:44:49 * Sgeo is somewhat shocked at the notion of zzo38 making Windows-only games
04:44:58 <Deathly> i closed the window since you posted it
04:45:11 <zzo38> Sgeo: I tried not to, but the program I used is only Windows.
04:45:30 <zzo38> However, I usually try to use DOS instead or MegaZeux or C or whatever making cross-platform.
04:45:55 <zzo38> Source-codes is available for everything so you might be able to figure out how to get it to compile on other computers
04:45:55 <Deathly> will it violate my system32?
04:46:48 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/ascmzxto.zip http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/mzx_extended/megazeux_win32.zip This is first is URL for my game, second is Windows executable for the game engine. You can download source-codes of MegaZeux to run on other computers too
04:46:56 <zzo38> MegaZeux is written in C
04:48:50 <zzo38> If you want the DOS game (CGA-Collection) then I can post those URLs too.
04:49:10 <zzo38> These all have source-codes available
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04:58:11 <MDude> Hmm, MegaZeux failed due to a DLL error.
04:59:16 <zzo38> Which DLL is error?
05:01:27 <zzo38> Now I put that file you can download it http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/mzx_extended/sdl.zip
05:02:19 <MDude> I already nabbed it.
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05:36:56 <Sgeo> elliott, update
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06:03:59 <HackEgo> media-258: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
06:04:02 <HackEgo> media-420: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
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06:31:28 <elliott> <Deathly> i closed the window since you posted it
06:31:28 <elliott> <Deathly> my logs are incomplete
06:31:41 <elliott> Deathly: don't worry, everything you say in here is permanently logged at http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
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06:37:26 <zzo38> I posted an update to the file "ascmzxto.zip"
06:37:31 <zzo38> I fixed a few mistakes
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12:30:47 <HackEgo> 753) <zzo38>The book "Science Made Stupid" ends with a list of things that might happen in the future (some already have), one of them is a woman president. Some things in the list are reasonable but a few are just funny instead.
12:31:23 <oerjan> `run sed -i '753s/>T/> T/' quotes
12:31:32 <HackEgo> 753) <zzo38> The book "Science Made Stupid" ends with a list of things that might happen in the future (some already have), one of them is a woman president. Some things in the list are reasonable but a few are just funny instead.
12:31:45 * oerjan swats hagb4rd -----###
12:32:24 <elliott> oerjan: i hereby absolve hagb4rd of all crimes; missing a space is not even remotely comparable to the grating horror that was Deathly
12:32:45 <oerjan> i guess i shall soon know.
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12:36:45 <oerjan> <Deathly> Please don't tell me you're not trolling. <-- i say this sentence comfirms he was one.
12:37:01 <hagb4rd> im still confused because of that missing space issue.. have i done sth wrong, or are you just kidding me?
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12:37:22 <oerjan> hagb4rd: yes, you forgot a space.
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12:38:34 <hagb4rd> ah..so the syntax is quote <user> <quotetext> right?
12:44:45 <elliott> oerjan: he wasn't a troll, just an idiot.
12:44:58 <elliott> perhaps he thought himself a troll, he was certainly deliberately annoying
12:45:04 <oerjan> hagb4rd: it _might_ be possible to deduce that from actually looking at the quotes.
12:45:15 <elliott> but he was too stupid to actually be annoying /intentionally/ as opposed to simply being annoying because he's him
12:45:52 <hagb4rd> you're right. now i feel really stupid.
12:46:16 <oerjan> don't worry, it will pass, until you do something even more stupid.
12:46:47 <oerjan> well or until you reminisce (sp?), so don't do that. ever.
12:47:12 <elliott> oerjan: the worst part comes when we find out deathly's age :(
12:48:05 <oerjan> i've seen that. in fact i saw that part first since you pinged me in it.
12:48:21 <elliott> oerjan: YOU RUINED THE CHRONOLOGY!!!!!
12:48:50 <oerjan> well it wasn't until i checked the pings that i decided to browse all the log, you see
12:53:12 * oerjan learns what the english word "recorder" means. he once used to play one.
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12:55:52 <fizzie> I believe it's non-confusing in most other languages than English; it's "nokkahuilu" lit. "beak flute" in Finnish.
12:57:47 <hagb4rd> theres all these pretty (bot)commands to use round here and i'd like to know about them.. is there any chance that they were documented (or just listed) anywhere?
12:58:06 <fizzie> They may have help-like commands.
12:58:07 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
12:58:16 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
12:58:24 <HackEgo> ? \ @ \ addquote \ allquotes \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ hatesgeo \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ marco \ paste \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ ping \ prefixes \ qc \ quote \ quotes \ roll \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ units \ url \ welcome \ wl \ word \ wtf
12:58:32 <fizzie> (HackEgo is a bit different.)
12:58:40 <lambdabot> http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS
12:59:11 <hagb4rd> so ` invokes a shell command?
12:59:26 <fizzie> lambdabot might be the best-documented one; by a *really curious* coincidence, it's not a native of the channel.
12:59:53 <fizzie> Well, `run invokes a shell command; ` just runs whatever you give it with the arguments, which might make a difference when it comes to non-simple commands.
13:00:15 <HackEgo> bin canary karma lib paste quotes share wisdom
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13:01:37 <oerjan> the last list is cut off btw
13:01:49 <lambdabot> Quote somebody, a random person, or save a memorable quote
13:01:53 <elliott> gives help for a single lambdabot command
13:02:33 <hagb4rd> can i use them silently? whispering or in query?
13:02:39 <HackEgo> toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ units \ url \ welcome \ wl \ word \ wtf
13:03:19 <fizzie> Though lambdabot has some exceptions; ":t" does not work in query, but ?type or @type or @ty or such do.
13:03:27 <oerjan> lambdabot even gives longer responses when you do that
13:03:42 <fizzie> There's something about the colons, obvsly.
13:03:57 <fizzie> Colons are not a private matter.
13:03:58 <oerjan> presumably they're being checked at the wrong place
13:04:52 <lambdabot> shepheb says: unsafePerformIO :: IO a -> Madness
13:05:16 <fizzie> You could "PRIVATELY whisper -> ALL" in that webchat-we-pasted-the-Helsinki-VRML-into-back-then. (That's not its official name.)
13:05:33 <elliott> fizzie: That SHOULD be its official name.
13:07:00 <fizzie> Oh noes, it's been disapparated.
13:07:14 <fizzie> Not that typing in HTML has worked in a long time.
13:07:49 * oerjan wonders if someone has done carmina burana on the recorder
13:08:58 <oerjan> hm or maybe it actually contains them already
13:09:53 <Phantom_Hoover> I'm sure somebody's done Carmina Burana on the recorder, although they'd probably exceed the age at which one plays the recorder during the performance.
13:09:54 <lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
13:10:50 <elliott> oerjan: you mean the lounge album by Nikita Ayzikovsky?
13:11:33 <fizzie> That's not a very working wc.
13:11:36 <elliott> (never completed; the artist went insane after completing only one song)
13:12:37 <oerjan> elliott: i'm just noticing that orff was involved in reviving recorders, is all
13:13:12 <oerjan> elliott: definitely. erm, isn't that lament
13:13:33 <elliott> oerjan: yes, lament aka the person who made the amazing lounge version of O Fortuna :P
13:13:58 <elliott> which I, to this day, still hear upon seeing the poem
13:14:05 <elliott> which admittedly doesn't occur often
13:14:33 <oerjan> i may not be acquainted with that.
13:15:16 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: I have an awful hunch that it might be lost to the sands of time; it was hosted on filebin.
13:15:21 <elliott> Of course someone here probably has a copy lying around somewhere.
13:15:44 <elliott> But I'll loggrep to try and find it.
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13:16:34 <olsner> hmm, the topic is more boring than ever before
13:16:53 <elliott> Vonlebio: Your hostname is showing.
13:16:58 <elliott> olsner: oh, coppro ruined it
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13:17:09 <olsner> VILE despicable coppro
13:17:20 <Vonlebio> Not my real real name, of course.
13:17:41 <elliott> Vonlebio: Right, that's what I meant.
13:17:45 <elliott> 2009-03-05.txt:05:26:06: <GregorR> I want to hear a lounge version of O Fortuna.
13:17:49 <elliott> Ah yes, Gregor is who we have to thank.
13:18:01 <elliott> (It didn't meet his expectations.)
13:18:25 <olsner> and you found a lounge version of it?
13:19:29 <elliott> olsner: <elliott> oerjan: yes, lament aka the person who made the amazing lounge version of O Fortuna :P
13:19:46 <elliott> 10:24:20: <fizzie> I think I kept one of those files at http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/mp3.mp3
13:20:17 <fizzie> elliott: It's sort of reminiscent of extra-www.
13:20:31 <olsner> oh, an mp3 of someone speaking finnish
13:20:33 <Vonlebio> elliott, anyway it was a joke.
13:20:46 <elliott> Vonlebio: And I can't find an alive copy of ofortuna.ogg. :(
13:21:01 <Vonlebio> OK I will use SLIGHTLY MORE SUBTERFUGE
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13:21:07 <fizzie> olsner: It seems to be a speech synthesis sample.
13:21:18 <fizzie> olsner: And the sentence is nonsensical.
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13:21:37 <elliott> Vonlebio: You realise lament is offline.
13:22:01 <Vonlebio> @tell lament Can I have a copy of your lounge version of O Fortuna?
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13:22:25 <fizzie> olsner: It says "Did the javelin-throwers, like the memos, cause the state of depression lose freshness" or some-such. It's a bit hard to translate due to the lack of sense.
13:23:03 <elliott> fizzie: I think they did, yes.
13:23:58 <elliott> fizzie: What do you know about Matt Henderson.
13:24:44 <Phantom_Hoover> Ah, the well-known black brotherhood of speech recognition research.
13:25:00 <fizzie> "Nahistivatko keihäänheittäjät muistioiden tavoin lamatilaa?", in case someone else wants to try a stab of translation.
13:25:18 <elliott> "Nahistivatko javelin thrower memos, like the depression space?"
13:25:29 <elliott> fizzie: Ah, you are clearly in DEEP CAHOOTS with the man.
13:25:51 <elliott> "Before producing a transcription of what you said, speech recognition software often represents its results as a ‘confusion network’."
13:26:04 <elliott> The confusion network represents the algorithm's confusion as to why it's doing something so pointless as speech recognition.
13:26:16 <fizzie> "Nahistua" is sort of "to lose freshness"; "nahistaa" is therefore "cause to lose freshness"; "nahistivat" is the past-tense third-person plural from "they caused to lose freshness"; and the -ko suffix makes it a question, "did they?".
13:27:30 <fizzie> The confusion network is a special case of a lattice.
13:27:46 <fizzie> It's also sometimes called a sausage.
13:27:49 <elliott> fizzie: Yes; the special case is that most lattices don't look down on their tasks.
13:28:00 <fizzie> "A Confusion Network (CN), also known as a sausage" -- http://www.statmt.org/moses/?n=Moses.ConfusionNetworks
13:28:10 <elliott> And the thing with sausage is that you don't want to know how it's made. And in this case it's a really gross sausage, so you don't want to eat it either.
13:28:20 <elliott> What I am trying to say is, speech recognition is useless.
13:28:29 <fizzie> Yes, you've said that quite many times.
13:28:36 <elliott> Yes. Just not quite enough.
13:28:44 <oerjan> <monqy> 42 is such a boring fake age <-- in about half a year i shall be entirely fake. yay!
13:28:51 <fizzie> Maybe I should "ragepat" or something.
13:29:16 <elliott> fizzie: Yes, please show signs of adequate irritation.
13:29:21 <elliott> It might even make me stop (it won't make me stop).
13:29:42 <fizzie> I would, but on the gripping hand I really don't want to give you the satisfaction.
13:30:01 <olsner> oerjan: are you really that old!?
13:30:18 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: It isn't, that's why he's going to become fake.
13:30:26 <elliott> He'll grow to an impossible age, and thus stop existing.
13:30:38 <elliott> fizzie: Anyway, I can assure you that the only thing that would give me satisfaction is complete annihilation of the field of speech recognition.
13:30:41 <olsner> so oerjan has been dead for 10 years, and we're his afterlife
13:30:42 <fizzie> "A crucial plot element of the book is the idiom "on the gripping hand", a three-armed variation of the idiom "on the other hand" similar in meaning to "on the third hand", but with the added sense that the third-mentioned consideration is the most important one. The saying is native to the alien Moties, who have three arms, one of which is stronger but possesses less finesse."
13:31:11 <fizzie> I sort of skipped the second hand.
13:31:11 <oerjan> <olsner> so oerjan has been dead for 10 years, and we're his afterlife <-- depressingly enough, this thought _has_ occurred to me before.
13:31:36 <fizzie> oerjan: #esoteric sure drives the "maybe you should've behaved a little better" point home, eh?
13:31:43 <elliott> oerjan: We are the absolute shittiest afterlife.
13:31:54 <elliott> fizzie: hi4 (1 hi detracted for speech recognition)
13:34:46 <oerjan> elliott: well, it _would_ be even shittier without you.
13:35:05 <elliott> oerjan: I think you missed a negation or something.
13:37:23 <elliott> oerjan: Would you be more convinced if I dissed speech recognition some more?
13:37:56 <elliott> fizzie: Your speech recognition software is malfunctioning. That isn't a word.
13:38:03 <elliott> You should probably buy a keyboard.
13:38:31 <elliott> fizzie: I think your speech synthesiser is malfunctioning too? Can you hear us.
13:38:32 <oerjan> <Deathly> how do you scare a snowflake? <-- heavy breathing.
13:38:53 <elliott> fizzie: This is why computers should never process or create speech in any form whatsoever ever.
13:39:53 <fizzie> I think I'll go cook some laundry or wash some food or something.
13:40:23 <oerjan> no, we should outlaw speech altogether. it keeps us from realizing the true reality that we are already in the afterlife. plato's cave style.
13:41:29 <elliott> fizzie: FINALLY I HAVE BEGUN TO CRACK YOUR IMPRESSIVE OUTER SHELL OF CALMNESS
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13:58:26 <oerjan> i see dmm is still working on getting mentioned on every tvtropes page
14:12:03 <oerjan> ...darn i got sucked in again didn't i.
14:18:36 <elliott> irregular webcomic guy, esolanger
14:18:37 <olsner> fizzie: cooking laundry and washing food are both good things to do
14:18:55 <elliott> olsner: ha, i missed that until just now
14:25:21 <fizzie> Yes, it was totally accidental, I was just so frazzled up there. Now I'm calm as a zucchini again.
14:26:40 <elliott> fizzie: Your tone of voice makes it super-hard to believe any claims of frazzlation.
14:26:51 <elliott> OOPS I ACCIDENTALLY CONJUGATED THE BEST WORD
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14:40:03 <Phantom__Hoover> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Surface_Area_And_Bulk_Density_Relationship
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15:00:39 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: Tags Hozzszlsok: 1 Regisztrlt: 18.05.11: surface area, surface area and volume relationships and bulk density, area density and bulk density relationships.. g Easy! Everything's Optim ization of Landin g page Learn the making: the buyer to convert to your browser search behavior of your landing page, create a forecast.. May 3, 2007.. Determine the density of the envelope density, bulk density, volume and density.. Surface area and
15:00:39 <elliott> porosity as a function of particle size, or area.. Between porosity and depth is a commonly used relationship is given by Athy.
15:00:57 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: I like how the only external link it could think of is Wikipedia.
15:01:17 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Mtve huh
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15:05:32 <Phantom__Hoover> http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/n6ws1/looking_for_good_online_resources_for_real/
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15:06:19 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: The best theorem?
15:07:14 <elliott> Are there still any "controversial" ideas in mathematics? (self.math)
15:07:26 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: /r/math really needs to split into actualmath and metamath.
15:08:06 <elliott> "As soon as Gödel showed that there was "TRUE", "FALSE", and "CANNOT BE PROVED" the law of the excluded middle crashed and burned.
15:08:06 <elliott> Most of the world has not yet caught up with that."
15:08:21 <elliott> People like this ruin constructivism for the rest of us?
15:08:50 <Phantom__Hoover> No they don't, constructivism is already inhabited only by CONSTRUCTIVIST SCUM.
15:09:21 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: DISPROOF BY CONTRADICTION: Russell O'Connor???
15:09:37 <elliott> CELEBRITY CONSTRUCTIVISTS -- wait dammit.
15:09:50 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: Demand -c with me.
15:11:27 <elliott> `addquote <Phantom__Hoover> WTF is it with people with Irish names and logic?
15:11:30 <HackEgo> 755) <Phantom__Hoover> WTF is it with people with Irish names and logic?
15:11:33 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: Type theory is a branch of logic.
15:12:04 <elliott> Well, it seemed like you were correcting yourself.
15:31:54 <Phantom__Hoover> http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/n4wba/good_video_about_chaos_theory_and_the_lorenz/c36bwra
15:33:06 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: Ian Stewart? I heard he LIES TO CHILDREN with UNSCIENTIFIC NOVEL PLOT DETAILS.
15:35:21 * Phantom__Hoover notes that [[Abstract simplicial complex]] opens with a picture of two things essentially captioned as "things that are not abstract simplicial complexes".
15:36:12 <Phantom__Hoover> Oh, wait, they're abstract simplicial complexes, but they're not actual simplicial complexes.
15:36:21 <Phantom__Hoover> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Simplicial_complex_nonexample.png
15:37:14 <elliott> cow_nonexample.jpg: contains picture of sheep.
15:38:00 <elliott> Oh, right. That was aaages ago.
15:38:07 * elliott would prefer it the old way too.
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16:38:34 <olsner> oerjan did, that's how he died and we became his afterlife
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17:16:26 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: Is he seriously claiming that Christmas songs = Christmas experience?
17:16:27 <Vorpal> elliott, remember we discussed why people would want Steam? I realised a reason just now: it manages updates for you. Since windows has no package manager it means Steam provides that kind of
17:17:07 <Vorpal> elliott, well, blame microsoft for this
17:17:13 <Phantom__Hoover> elliott, no, he's claiming that Christmas songs are part of an insidious baby boomer conspiracy.
17:23:55 <Gregor> He is claiming neither of those.
17:24:21 <Gregor> He's just pointing out that these songs which people consider so traditional and old classics are in fact just what baby boomers remember as kids.
17:25:12 <Gregor> Oh, I didn't bother to read the alt text because the comic was shit as usual :P
17:29:16 <Deathly> Santa Claus as we know him with his red suit and white beard didn't exist until 1931. Magazine ads for Coca-Cola featured St. Nick as a kind, jolly man in a red suit. Because magazines were so widely viewed, and because this image of Santa appeared for more than three decades, the image of Santa most people have today is largely based on this advertising.
17:29:31 <Deathly> In fact, whenever I see santa, I have a craving for a pepsi.
17:29:43 <Deathly> http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/heritage/cokelore_santa.html
17:30:30 <Phantom__Hoover> "We *invented* Santa" is hardly something you want to dispel.
17:31:25 <Phantom__Hoover> http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp ∎
17:33:42 <Deathly> Well, i still like propagating the myth
17:33:52 <Deathly> because I'm into propaganda for the coke machine
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17:49:44 <elliott> `addquote <Phantom_Hoover> The only way you could do better would be to implement Monopoly with chocolate.
17:49:47 <HackEgo> 756) <Phantom_Hoover> The only way you could do better would be to implement Monopoly with chocolate.
17:50:14 <Phantom_Hoover> And by that I mean build an analogue computer out of chocolate which plays Monopoly.
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17:54:57 <Phantom_Hoover> Just because you can't design a reliable Monopoly machine out of chocolate doesn't mean nobody else can.
17:58:02 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Well, I was assuming it would be based on melting.
17:58:11 <elliott> `addquote <Phantom_Hoover> Just because you can't design a reliable Monopoly machine out of chocolate doesn't mean nobody else can.
17:58:13 <HackEgo> 757) <Phantom_Hoover> Just because you can't design a reliable Monopoly machine out of chocolate doesn't mean nobody else can.
18:16:32 <Deathly> keeping chocolate cold would be paramount as it's tinsil strength would be less maliable and better able to withstand the moving parts required for an analog computing design
18:17:52 <monqy> sometimes my age is a secret but other times it is not
18:17:55 <monqy> what time is now????
18:20:35 <Deathly> right now or when you asked the question?
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19:18:47 <Gregor> What semi-sophisticated thing should I get working under gelfload?
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19:28:31 <ais523> hmm, fun bugfix I just saw (in DCSS): s/perversion/support/
19:29:24 <elliott> Um, um. What else is there.
19:29:30 <Gregor> elliott: X11 doesn't work, AFAICT it's a sockets issue, was hoping for something in between :P
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19:38:09 <ais523> "Raw Goat Milk Yahoo Chat Room"
19:39:10 <ais523> surely it's to a spambot's benefit to spam on search terms that people might potentially actually use?
19:39:27 <ais523> most of the spam names are things that look vaguely like viable, if specific, searches
19:40:09 <ais523> "July 2, 2006 2:54 (Reminder) Hey Raw goatmilk members! Recently, we asked our group and 77% of active members voted in dating hi angeleyes of allowing . "
19:40:32 <ais523> there's also a link to "horse lameness chat" on the same page
19:41:51 <elliott> well that's what we're all about
19:41:56 <elliott> raw goat milk, horse lameness
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20:04:31 <tswett> Gregor: what is gelfload?
20:04:36 <tswett> Is it Gregor's ELF loader?
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20:06:34 <elliott> tswett: No, it's a gel floader.
20:09:05 <Vorpal> elliott, a gel floader!? Wow, I need to download that right now.
20:10:03 <Vorpal> elliott, floading of gel is of course a very serious activity, ideally one should use a hard hat when when doing so.
20:10:20 <elliott> Vorpal: it's just gel, you wuss.
20:11:02 <Vorpal> elliott, but remember what Gel did in portal 2!
20:11:22 <Vorpal> elliott, of course you want a hard hat when floading it
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20:13:06 <fizzie> "Fload: Suburban or urban male age 17-29 who frequents bars in the company of fellow floads in hopes of sexual gratification. Often identifiable by white baseball cap, clothing emblazoned with a designer's name, excessive hair product, and a misogynistic demeanor. Floads travel in herds of 3-20." -- Urban Dictionary. Well, I certainly didn't know that.
20:13:34 <elliott> fizzie: As I'm sure you can imagine, preparing gel for the use of floads is a very intensive process indeed.
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20:14:58 <fizzie> I *was* going to say that a "floader" sounds like one of the fast-loaders you used to see with software distributed on C64 floppies. Was googling if there's one called "fload". (Unsurprisingly, there's at least one.)
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20:15:34 <oerjan> i assume that the winner does not have to be the one combusting. otherwise this contest would fit badly into my world conquest plans.
20:15:54 <ais523> zzo38: did you write this Slashdot comment: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2567856&cid=38326760
20:16:01 <ais523> it oddly reminds me of you, although I think it's actually someone else
20:19:25 <HackEgo> 2009-12-06.txt:13:09:58: <zzo38> O, and there's another screen-shot: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/PHIRC/screenshot0.png
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20:21:06 <oerjan> however, i somehow doubt zzo38 uses Mac Safari.
20:21:41 <oerjan> _or_ would use a "Full story: " disclaimer.
20:22:08 <ais523> the main clue that it isn't zzo38, apart from a few minor wording choices, is the implied opinions about browsers
20:22:29 <fizzie> oerjan: According to my logs, you can prove your theory using the word "marshall" instead.
20:22:52 <ais523> fizzie: are you assuming that all Slashdot comments are copied to #esoteric?
20:23:27 <fizzie> ais523: I'm just assuming all Slashdot comments contain only words the comment-writer has previously said on #esoteric; that's a much weaker assumption.
20:23:33 <oerjan> fizzie: i do not believe that's a sufficiently common word in english for the logs to prove anything about zzo38's vocabulary wrt it
20:24:00 <ais523> `log <ais523> [^[`].*marshall
20:24:10 <HackEgo> 2011-11-28.txt:19:25:49: <ais523> so the answer is, they have to return a marshallable type, or an IO of a marshallable type
20:24:42 <ais523> hmm, I wonder what words there are that I use, but rarely in #esoteric
20:24:43 <fizzie> (Full story: I was being frivolous.)
20:24:47 <ais523> the names of most Pokémon would probably work
20:25:05 <Sgeo> It's really only the ... style that reminds of zzo38
20:25:06 <ais523> `log <ais523> [^[`].*wyvern
20:25:14 <olsner> hmm, I read marshmallowable type
20:25:31 <Sgeo> I'm in another channel with people who might be interested in this sort of thing
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20:31:16 <elliott> Gregor: http://www.h-online.com/newsticker/news/item/Processor-Whispers-About-Haskell-and-Haswell-1389507.html
20:35:53 <copumpkin> today is my three-year haskell anniversary!
20:36:21 * oerjan wonders what copumpkin's nick was before then
20:36:46 <elliott> copumpkin: what, i may have actually started learning haskell before you
20:37:42 <copumpkin> well, I probably first appeared on the IRC channel a month or two before that, cause I was helping my girlfriend at the time with her homework, but I wasn't actually doing anything with it myself
20:37:49 <oerjan> copumpkin has just been deluding us into thinking he's a haskell old fart
20:38:02 <copumpkin> I was a hardcore rubyist before that
20:38:14 <elliott> the official elliott ruby opinion
20:38:29 <monqy> i forget when my haskell anievrsarey is....i never kept track
20:38:35 <monqy> I don't even know what year I started learning it
20:38:54 <elliott> i started learning haskell in 1986
20:39:10 <elliott> copumpkin: ...but it took until 1990 for the first thunk to evaluate to WHNF :)
20:39:22 <copumpkin> computers were a lot slower back then
20:39:23 <oerjan> sadly, he then died, and had to be reincarnated to learn it again
20:39:36 <copumpkin> I didn't even have a computer back then
20:39:45 <elliott> I didn't even exist back then!
20:40:12 <copumpkin> I remember playing hugo's house of horros on my dad's work laptop in 93
20:40:24 <copumpkin> I think it had 20mb of hard drive space and a grayscale screen
20:40:25 <elliott> What, I didn't just imagine Hugo?
20:40:41 <Sgeo> I remember playing some Peter Pan game at some point
20:40:47 <elliott> That is a completely different Hugo to my obscure Hugo childhood computer game memory.
20:40:49 <Sgeo> "You made a mouse, with your mouse"
20:41:06 <elliott> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Hugo%27s_House_of_Horrors_Screenshot.png
20:41:09 <elliott> Advanced MS Paint graphics.
20:41:40 <monqy> before i was born too
20:42:04 <fizzie> There was a play-by-your-phone TV game around here about a troll called Hugo. There was a two-seconds-or-so lag from the telephone keypresses to whatever happened on viewers' screens. Watching people fail playing it was quite horreeble.
20:42:36 <fizzie> "The Hugo "live one-player multi platform interactive game show" has aired in more than 40 countries[1] and spawned numerous video games and many other merchandise." I see they've been spreading it around.
20:42:47 <Deewiant> fizzie: Oh, /that/ explains why people sucked at it so much.
20:43:42 <fizzie> Deewiant: I can't give hard proof or even my reasonings from which I deduced the delay any more, I just have this impression that it had one. Maybe you could sometimes hear the DTMF tones? Can't recall.
20:43:51 <elliott> fizzie: That appears to be the one I remember.
20:43:52 <fizzie> I do remember someone at least once trying to play it with a pulse-dial phone.
20:44:07 <monqy> are there any good games I should have played in the psat
20:44:07 <fizzie> Yeah, they made a PC version of it too.
20:44:56 <elliott> Hugo: Wintergames is a series of three video games produced between 1997 and 1999 by ITE Media for the PC. In each of them, Hugo must rescue Santa Claus from Scylla, foiling her plots to ruin Christmas.
20:45:31 <elliott> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmwmfC_iuJ8
20:45:40 <fizzie> "Herää pahvi, viimeistä viedään!" "Onko kotka kotona?" "Pitikö olla hoppu? Nyt se on leikin loppu."
20:45:45 <fizzie> The quotes were sort-of iconic.
20:45:52 <fizzie> I suppose they were non-Finnish in other countries.
20:47:43 * oerjan recalls they had a hugo game for PS2 at a restaurant he used to frequent. sometimes it got set to the wrong language.
20:48:38 <oerjan> mostly danish though, since that was the first selection in the startup menu
20:49:13 <oerjan> but at least once it was finnish.
20:53:44 <oerjan> <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Well, I was assuming it would be based on melting. <-- i was assuming it would be based on eating the pieces.
20:53:50 <elliott> Gregor: It's like fizzie and speech recognition.
20:53:56 <elliott> I have to annoy you about transactional memory.
20:54:11 <Gregor> elliott: /H/TM is fine. Even good. /S/TM is terrible.
20:54:25 <oerjan> and the worst thing is that he will redo it until you confirm getting the message
20:55:14 <elliott> Gregor: Only terrible with unsustainable use of mutation >:)
20:56:32 <pikhq> Gregor: STM is only terrible in languages that make it so you can mutate the shared state outside of a transaction.
20:56:36 <pikhq> Which is most of them.
21:00:46 <elliott> Today will forever stand in history as the day I accidentally made Phantom___Hoover upgrade to GNOME 3.
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21:01:30 <oerjan> only Phantom___Hoover though, Phantom__Hoover is still on GNOME 2, while Phantom_Hoover somehow manages to use GNOME 1.
21:02:17 <fizzie> And PhantomHoover's using some sort of never-released "GNOME 0" alpha?
21:09:41 <zzo38> I have a DVD recorder, sometimes finalizing fails, but if I open the tray and then close it again, after I tried to finalize and it says it failed, then it will be finalized.
21:25:30 <Deathly> i love eating G %'s in nethack
21:25:46 <Deathly> the mines are full of them
21:25:48 <Sgeo> Phantom___Hoover, how did elliott make you upgrade to GNOME 3?
21:26:35 <Phantom___Hoover> I was upgrading to wheezy and he didn't realise until it was too late.
21:30:28 <Sgeo> Phantom___Hoover, new ███-████ hoodies
21:32:10 <monqy> wow i love ███-████
21:32:14 <ais523> wow, edit to the wiki that a) creates a new page but is not spam, b) describes a language similar to LOLCODE but worse
21:32:38 <ais523> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Immi
21:32:41 <monqy> only possibly a joke?
21:32:52 <ais523> it's just thematic with a really bad theme
21:33:32 <monqy> oh my, designed to teach people programming, whatever that means
21:33:54 <ais523> there's no infinite loop constructs, it's primitive recursive as far as I can tell
21:35:03 <oerjan> ais523: did you notice taneb's screenshot showing that the recent changes are now so full of spam that his school computers classify it as a gambling site?
21:35:34 <ais523> heh, that's what it was? I noticed him link to an image, but didn't check what the image was
21:35:44 <oerjan> that's what it seemed like to me
21:40:38 <ais523> hmm, I was thinking about implementing Elliottcraft, and it seems pretty hard to do efficiently
21:40:51 <ais523> the problem is that it has an infinite speed of sound
21:41:19 <ais523> so I fear the implementation's going to end up as O(n^3log n), which is pretty awful
21:41:53 <ais523> perhaps I should change the semantics of the language to speed it up…
21:42:10 <ais523> (Rubicon gets round the problem by using a very small playfield, but I'd rather like a larger one)
21:43:45 <ais523> I don't think I've ever explained the semantics in-channel
21:44:04 <ais523> let me pastebin them; it's a little inaccurate, but not really more than usual for an informal explanation
21:44:38 <ais523> here we go; the language it's based on is called CUBE: http://sprunge.us/PLHJ
21:44:59 <ais523> and the game itself is basically that, but adding the player to the playfield and allowing them to move around, push/pull/rotate blocks, and create blocks
21:52:05 <ais523> but basically, it's a bully automaton with the following possible states for each cell: empty; inertia cube (i.e. solid ground that can survive in midair without falling); mobile cube with no other properties; mobile and immobile conveyor cubes; and factory cubes that convert cubes into other sorts of cubes
21:52:57 <ais523> conveyor cubes are the only way that cubes actually move (apart from falling), and they have a sort of band of conveyorness that goes all the way around them
21:53:17 <ais523> they can even move themselves, if they're mobile and their bottom side is moving
21:53:42 <ais523> factory cubes have one active side that only does anything when moving
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21:53:54 <ais523> if it moves forwards, it makes mobile cubes into factory cubes, and does nothing else
21:54:07 <ais523> if it moves backwards, it does nothing
21:54:33 <ais523> and if it moves sideways, it changes air -> inertia, or inertia/mobile to conveyor/mobile conveyor
21:54:53 <ais523> also, it can change the motion of conveyors in various ways
21:55:19 <ais523> and factory cubes can move into inertial cubes, swapping places with them and making them mobile
21:55:59 <ais523> it's all set up so that if you have a solid block of inertial cubes, like a cliff side, you can push a factory cube into it and it mines out a tunnel of mobile cubes all the way through the block, making a conveyor as it goes to carry them back out, and maintaining a conveyor underneath itself to keep moving itself into the block
22:00:35 <ais523> wow, someone managed to jailbreak the Kindle Touch with an mp3 file
22:00:52 <ais523> that's… pretty ridiculous in security terms, how is that even possible?
22:01:09 <ais523> (apparently it's done by putting JavaScript in one of the fields that's displayed to the user)
22:13:53 * oerjan wishes reddit would outlaw url shorteners so he could see where links go...
22:14:34 <oerjan> basically a shortener decreases the probability i visit a link by about 90%.
22:17:34 <fizzie> There are browser thingamajicks that automagically use the (shortener-specific) "safe" show-me-where-it's-going-first page. (Still won't show directly before clicking the thing, though. Unless there's a thingamajick for that too.)
22:19:22 <zzo38> There are some services that can be used as URL shortener or as dynamic DNS. Once I tried to post something on a wiki but http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/whatever didn't work, but gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net/1whatever/whatever was acceptable
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23:14:10 <monqy> happens to everyone
23:14:18 <oerjan> Phantom___Hoover: how terrible
23:14:27 <oerjan> you have to do it on purpose, like me
23:14:35 <Phantom___Hoover> Like that existential crisis I had after looking up London on WP.
23:14:45 <ais523> Phantom___Hoover: wait, what?
23:15:31 <oerjan> now i'm just wondering what is so strange about coppro's whois
23:16:13 <oerjan> londinium, just a little northwest of lutetia parisiorum
23:18:55 <warg> isn't that a mineral?
23:20:44 <ais523> it's the Roman name for London
23:21:17 <oerjan> lutetium, on the other hand, is a chemical element.
23:22:24 <zzo38> Is it atomic number 71?
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23:24:05 <oerjan> "Because of the rarity and high price, lutetium has very few commercial uses. However, stable lutetium can be used as catalysts in petroleum cracking in refineries and can also be used in alkylation, hydrogenation, and polymerization applications."
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23:31:38 <Phantom___Hoover> I feel that WP should have more images in the style of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Simplicial_complex_nonexample.png
23:33:17 <oerjan> from the cruel but beautiful polygon wilderness
23:38:59 <ais523> hey, we have what's effectively a blog entry from the author of Immi: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Star651
23:39:46 <monqy> at least it's in userspace
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23:40:13 <ais523> just, this is the thought process behind languages like Immi, preserved for prosperity
23:40:27 <monqy> everything makes sense now
23:40:37 <ais523> also, why we have humans cleaning up spams not bots; that would have tripped pretty much any reasonable spam filter based on the recent spam
23:40:42 <ais523> but I actually started reading it before deleting it
23:42:35 <itidus21> its quite well written and friendly
23:42:57 <ais523> I'd imagine it's the same thing that leads to the wiki filling up with BF derivatives
23:43:09 <ais523> in fact, reading that has made my hatred for BF derivs and languages like Immi to drop a lot
23:43:28 <Phantom___Hoover> I'm going to notify him that he's been flagged as a possible creator of Brainfuck derivatives and has therefore had a brick assigned.
23:43:30 * Sgeo feels like cursing at Gnumeric
23:43:36 <itidus21> " "Immi" is named for Imogen Heap, a British pop star." oh dear god..
23:43:55 <itidus21> what kind of monster has such ideas
23:43:56 <ais523> incidentally, I'm British and have never heard of her
23:44:14 <Sgeo> One of her songs is in an SNL skit
23:44:15 <ais523> Phantom___Hoover: Immi isn't a BF deriv, it's more of a LOLCODE deriv
23:44:55 <monqy> the impact of this userpage on me: now i feel even more like lolcode&friends shouldn't exist
23:45:15 <ais523> what we really need on Esolang is a page about how to write compilers
23:45:30 <ais523> as I think inability to do that is what discourages people from coming up with more interesting esolangs
23:46:52 <monqy> also i guess my hate for bad derivatives is down a bit
23:46:59 <monqy> replaced with pity for their poor creators
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23:48:41 <Sgeo> Someone should point him here so he may learn.
23:48:54 <Sgeo> I was a BF derivative creator once.
23:49:05 <itidus21> "The phrase "oh my loop" comes from Star651's personal experience with sound loops." -- cool, first person writing. i love this guy
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23:50:38 <Ngevd> Just got back from the final night of Scrooge
23:51:37 * itidus21 means to say that itidus21 agrees with you.
23:53:15 <HackEgo> itidus20 is horny 60 year olds having cybersex in minecraft
23:53:56 <HackEgo> ais523 is ais523. This topic may retroactively become more informative if or when Feather is invented.
23:54:18 <HackEgo> The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details.
23:54:39 <HackEgo> Sgeo invented Metaplace sex.
23:54:50 * Sgeo swats that factoid
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23:56:00 <Sgeo> Don't I dare what?
23:56:14 <itidus21> nervous anticipation on these queries.
23:56:42 <Sgeo> Phantom___Hoover, good idea! What should I make it?
23:57:05 <HackEgo> Phantom___Hoover? ¯\(°_o)/¯
23:57:13 <HackEgo> Phantom__Hoover can't decide what an appropriate number of underscores is.
23:57:59 <HackEgo> Phantom_Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist.
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23:58:00 <oerjan> `learn Phantom___Hoover is inexplicably bad at ghosting himself.
23:58:14 <Sgeo> 'learn Hussie is a Waste of Space
23:58:47 <oerjan> `learn Phantom___Hoover sucks at ghosting himself.
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23:59:18 <monqy> is inexplicably bad reserved for phantom____hoover
23:59:40 <oerjan> monqy: no, i just realized i'd missed an obvious pun improvement
23:59:41 <monqy> is inexplicably bad reserved for phantom____hoove