< 1325548802 993753 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325548814 898472 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could think of the set of morphisms as a sort of mapping right? < 1325548828 325146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1325548840 592320 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325548843 127544 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom-set or whatever it's called. < 1325548859 817801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a mapping... or a relation I guess. < 1325548867 287459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1325548873 36611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, Hom is a bifunctor from any category to Set < 1325548897 621225 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no I mean... < 1325548916 797634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er locally small category, technically < 1325548928 923838 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see I didn't mean hom. < 1325548937 794729 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... I did < 1325548941 431807 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's two hom expressions < 1325548944 999855 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom(a, b) and hom(C) < 1325548979 707534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A homset is the set of morphisms, isn't it? < 1325548982 718633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom(C)... is a mapping right? it maps objects to objects in the category, right? < 1325548985 650924 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325548991 571536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1325548999 241430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom(a,b) refers to the morphisms specifically between objects a and b. < 1325549003 879712 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1325549118 565561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i cannot find your hom(C) concept on the wp Morphism page < 1325549132 180554 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think you can make a category from any digraph, where the objects are the nodes and the morphisms are the walks < 1325549137 739077 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :A class hom(C), whose elements are called morphisms or maps or arrows. Each morphism f has a unique source object a and target object b. < 1325549149 218966 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the category theory page. < 1325549159 311906 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway I think I got the answer to my question, which is "no" < 1325549165 104459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is a different category than Haskell functions category < 1325549165 580060 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if I worded it correctly. < 1325549175 298840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1325549205 503782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the relation from C to C formed by hom(C) does not have to be a one-to-one mapping, is what I was asking. < 1325549242 838691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i still don't know what relation you are speaking about < 1325549249 681072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so.... < 1325549259 6313 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a morphism... is basically like an ordered pair, right? < 1325549263 46838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1325549272 222079 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it different. < 1325549318 763174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it _similar_? two morphisms can have the same source and target, and still be different. < 1325549321 704089 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Well, I gave one example. There are others < 1325549340 722297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh really? how does that work. < 1325549352 513773 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I knew morphisms were just a source object and target object pair. < 1325549380 952988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No. One example is the digraphs like I said, another example is different functions between the types like in Haskell or in the category of sets < 1325549395 157054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but then how is that constructed. < 1325549397 693145 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and described < 1325549400 388099 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in category theory < 1325549430 447008 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By morphism composition. < 1325549454 606877 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325549461 580513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well commonly a morphism in Set may be a triple, (A,B,f) where A and B are the source and target and f : A -> B is a subset of A x B which is a function. < 1325549512 354935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A and B are included just to ensure the target and source maps really are defined. (actually A may be redundant.) < 1325549559 694098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then morphisms in Set are relations. < 1325549566 71647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,, < 1325549582 181149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: no, functions, but in set theory functions are represented as relations. < 1325549605 519949 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1325549608 143873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc Rel is the category of all relations < 1325549631 436297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1325549633 654790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325549634 763812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which Set is a subcategory < 1325549653 311124 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover seemed baffled that I would see "subset of A x B" and somehow think "relation" < 1325549686 515956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he left... < 1325549687 149282 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1325549740 507186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was a bit baffled too < 1325549754 694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the "which is a function" part :P < 1325549763 66185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the most elementary CT fact that the morphisms of Set are functions :P < 1325549814 427315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the quintessential example of a category. < 1325549845 565704 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is the quintessential example of a category. < 1325549871 918271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although one does need to spend a while afterward pointing out that there are categories in which morphisms have nothing to do with functions. < 1325549882 713728 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss fax :( < 1325549887 268909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1325549901 137402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just temporarily forgot that all relations are not functions and saw the "subset of A x B" and thought relations... < 1325549909 288674 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there are no relations that are functions :P < 1325549928 899257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's not what I meant by that statement < 1325549936 945314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: has anyone seen em around? < 1325549964 331279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have doubts e would be able to stay undetected < 1325549986 442118 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the usual route appears to be via #haskell < 1325549986 599383 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is preventing Set morphisms from being relations? < 1325550013 322321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: the fact that non-functions are not included in Set morphisms by definition. < 1325550016 646156 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but we know he quit all forums, at least programming-related, for an extended period of time after the first or second time it happened. < 1325550032 633608 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eir, sorry < 1325550042 489378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then can you make a relation set category? < 1325550048 79413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not very interesting. why not just add it to the definition. I was wondering if it would break something. < 1325550050 105316 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wouldn't be surprised if the two-time "revelation" of eir identity after returning was enough to make that permanent. < 1325550071 549220 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cpressey did comment on eir blog ages ago; but it's completely dead. < 1325550076 594133 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1325550084 404723 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in '10. < 1325550084 880694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: erm as i said Rel is a different category, which also exists < 1325550089 322193 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using spivak pronouns for ironic purposes. < 1325550098 963415 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right but that's the category of relations.. < 1325550104 824955 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: No. < 1325550110 19171 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know which pronouns fax prefers. < 1325550112 29063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: also for not being bloody sure what gender e actually _is_ < 1325550125 187070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what sense of is to use < 1325550139 272504 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've sworn fax was male, but that could just be heuristic talking. < 1325550142 956108 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://reddit.com/user/cwcc is still around, but e abandoned that one long before disappearing completely; eir later accounts have been deleted. < 1325550163 974773 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I believe e identified as male while using the name fax. < 1325550176 202600 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not very reliable if e has changed the preferred set of pronouns. < 1325550180 150642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or well... is Set the "category of functions" then? You seem to be saying that Rel is the alternative category for a category on sets with relations as morphisms. < 1325550191 520288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. < 1325550194 56073 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh my god, cwcc posted in /r/vortexmath < 1325550196 836410 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325550200 719654 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: < 1325550201 36730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you simply let the objects be sets and the morphisms be (A,B,M) where M is a subset of A x B. (again A and B are just included to ensure they're well-defined source and target) < 1325550207 281946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I found a computer program try to guess your gender if you answer a lot of questions. However, after answering all of the question the certainty was still zero so it couldn't guess. < 1325550215 448707 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah okay, so yes. < 1325550239 373660 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but yeah, I somewhat doubt we'll see em around any time soon: at least not recognisably. < 1325550240 997396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well Set has an important special standing in the theory. < 1325550243 107223 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Rel is kind of misleading as I would expect the objects to be relations or something. < 1325550262 122259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so there are properties of Set that would break if it were suddenly Rel. < 1325550265 54710 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I still hope we do. < 1325550286 745357 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: /r/.....vortexmath.............. < 1325550300 964891 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1325550302 86897 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1325550313 105042 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's TEDx-approved, man. < 1325550337 785665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall slightly reduce ambiguity in the room by simply stating the common Internet heuristic of "forall x. male(x)" applies to pikhq in both gender identity and chromosome set. :P < 1325550341 289159 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VortexSpace.org College of Vortex Mathematics < 1325550346 578535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: presumably. the yoneda lemma is one important theorem that comes to mind (and which i don't remember exactly.) < 1325550361 460297 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo neda < 1325550363 876519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemma < 1325550365 343321 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1325550376 496789 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo nedalemma < 1325550380 604858 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yoneda remma < 1325550382 69231 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Chromosomes aren't necessarily an indicator of biological sex, though. < 1325550397 806873 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (But nothing is, since it's in large part a cultural concept rather than one that has a precise biological definition...) < 1325550411 47058 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Bah. My biological sex is also male. There. Happy? < 1325550428 198219 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, of course not, nothing makes you happy. :P) < 1325550435 485070 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am an endless pool of sadness. < 1325550446 445416 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoneda lemma in ignorant-american-pronunciation kind of sounds like a really slurred way of "yo, need a lemma?" < 1325550458 68970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+saying < 1325550461 443320 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just pool of sadness. Also unobtainable desires. < 1325550501 979078 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Very true. < 1325550561 619408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah but have you actually _done_ a cromosome test? >:) < 1325550570 451751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+h < 1325550574 20175 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, actually. < 1325550584 760161 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can only infer that with high probability. < 1325550603 72235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unscientific. < 1325550617 801699 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on par with the rigour of #esoteric < 1325550621 878999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shameful, really. < 1325550637 895392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, i have verified scientifically that i am a bacterium. < 1325550638 56583 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smokes his pipe and sits in his esoteric armchair. < 1325550654 827919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Science also only infers things with (unreasonably) high probability. :) < 1325550663 422164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, either that, or the test tube was contaminated, but how likely is _that_ < 1325550733 884242 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think defenestrate is one of my favorite words. < 1325550772 731597 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a) it sounds good b) it has at least three possible meanings c) one of which is a verb meaning "to remove Windows from a computer" < 1325550782 203201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1325550786 244200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with the other two meanings < 1325550800 681927 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes the word even more awesome than simply the sum of its possible meanings. < 1325550806 430531 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a PRODUCT of its meanings. < 1325550899 793709 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you want from a next generation log formatting system. gimme your best < 1325550930 691800 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps the product of the ^^^3 of its possible meanings. :P < 1325551063 7873 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: every output format you could possibly think of including various serialization formats, typesetting systems, markup languages, word processor formats, pdf. it should also have a special tagged format which it can use to generate output formats < 1325551081 670782 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example you could make an output of only a subset of tags (for IRC this would be things like privmsg, join, part, etc) < 1325551092 584619 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here use xchat? < 1325551096 470238 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a utility to convert raw text to the tagged format via regex filters. < 1325551115 33936 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just use AWK to do some of these things isn't it? < 1325551154 241584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: total information recall, line wrapping and free money. < 1325551155 409171 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but not as easily I would think. < 1325551181 863463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wild sex parties. < 1325551255 835677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: oh, and maybe it should understand the color codes. < 1325551261 682014 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour codes, check < 1325551270 45524 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: the house format could also contain a header specifying default formatting options when none are provided for the output formatter. < 1325551280 740518 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: no this should be general to any kind of log, not just IRC. < 1325551285 780996 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would like to build in auto-linking functionality; how would you suggest I do this? I was thinking of not formatting links specially at all until you mouse over them, to avoid annoying highlights of non-links < 1325551292 522484 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since URLs are rather easy to spot visually in the first place :P < 1325551309 578420 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: i will take your requests into... consideration < 1325551310 568656 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahwran: I do. < 1325551334 167902 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have nick coloring on? < 1325551339 389234 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's annoying :) < 1325551371 824816 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then what I was going to say is irrelevant < 1325551380 725302 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have time-sorted tabcomplete on? < 1325551390 323667 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was it you I mentioned it to the other day?) < 1325551431 220366 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: strangely I don't believe you. < 1325551490 862840 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least TeX, XML, HTML, and maybe PDF would be good. < 1325551495 617120 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahwran: Yes, I do, and yes, it was; I've used it forever, I just reinstalled my OS recently. < 1325551510 17250 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1325551543 389286 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well tell you my random fact about nick coloring anyway - apparently it works by summing the character values in the nick and then modulo-ing them by the count of available colors < 1325551551 822012 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... < 1325551553 723349 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by any real hashing function at all < 1325551557 145764 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupidest algorithm i can think of < 1325551571 523983 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's why people complain about collisions so much < 1325551579 377978 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for A TRULY FLEXIBLE LOG FORMATTER you want to have a special format for representing logs that can be easily converted to from raw text, and a simple style specification to allow styling of different tags regardless of output format. < 1325551586 897319 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THX FOR FEEDBACK < 1325551591 814560 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: We already have a simple raw log format. < 1325551600 449551 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-01-03-raw.txt < 1325551620 674410 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's kinda funny because I've kinda assigned my own mild stereotypes to different nick colors < 1325551625 419838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you have SIRCL format? And possibly CSV format? < 1325551634 591103 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out, there actually might be some real relationships between them < 1325551646 218702 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs JSON and YAML as well. :P < 1325551653 576453 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay json/yaml < 1325551685 342544 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh JSON ew YAML < 1325551700 590642 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes. And for TeX, you need to have both Plain TeX and LaTeX. But possibly, just have one format which it can read in and then a macro file can format it. I have done things like this; for example, you can make a macro to read a tab separated file, and so on < 1325551713 887843 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generic data formats are vastly overrated anyway, since all the common ones are not nearly rich enough to describe all data without additional parsing logic that will approach the complexity of just writing your own format. < 1325551751 522324 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I designed SIRCL format for IRC logs probably just use that and then convert into others using AWK or Perl < 1325551769 515960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1325551819 252391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: XML comes close I guess. < 1325551845 506039 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: To describing all data? No way. < 1325551899 990916 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... can it do referential structures? < 1325551919 324262 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you use, something such as, Haskell Data Notation? < 1325551930 294664 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does your definition of "all data" include things like an infinite sequence of fibonacci numbers. < 1325551937 648406 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: To be exact, I was not saying you cannot represent data in those formats. < 1325551944 939648 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: of course. < 1325551947 316155 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that doing so requirse a separate parsing/serialisation step to fit the restrictions of those formats. < 1325551954 53982 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which approaches the complexity of just writing your own format in the first place. < 1325551955 322139 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*requires < 1325551992 161454 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Haskell data structure notation would not be very good for describing structures with references. < 1325551997 435257 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you < 1325552003 336930 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :included the = operator as well < 1325552009 440224 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't unreasonable < 1325552022 914009 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need let...in to describe sharing. < 1325552096 31210 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.vu.nl/~x/ this guy has the coolest name < 1325552096 507800 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1325552097 205090 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one issue with such a format is that it isn't quite as convenient as JSON for many languages. < 1325552106 137991 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar problems to what XML has I guess. < 1325552119 646596 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :with JSON you can basically just convert it directly to some native data structure. < 1325552129 518515 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any language. < 1325552150 769093 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's tagged unions and such are not quite so convenient in.. say.. Perl. < 1325552199 241075 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON's unstructured soup isn't convenient in... say... Haskell. < 1325552216 834494 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least a stupidifying step is more palatable than an enrichening one. < 1325552411 853824 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1325552439 494562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say handling JSON data and handling a Haskell-like format would be equally difficult in Haskell. < 1325552453 494844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say not difficult at all. < 1325552461 153290 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t reads < 1325552462 104985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Read a) => String -> [(a, String)] < 1325552462 897061 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1325552480 138879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make up some format and parse it using Parsec, it works well < 1325552483 226863 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I forgot about Read, but then you need the type information as well. < 1325552519 867389 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes... you need to know the structure of some data to consume it. < 1325552531 86223 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would not use this proposed Haskell format anyway. < 1325552543 440898 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: at compile time, to read it like that. yes. < 1325552552 958026 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Instead of bothering with the actual universe, let us create our own imaginary universe in which there are only three classes of animals: birds, cats, and dogs." < 1325552618 409598 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Haskell's data structures are basically just tagged unions and structs... < 1325552625 59080 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's two kinds of animals. < 1325552750 648829 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure the types make a huge difference at compile-time, but unless you want to have existing type libraries for every kind of data you read, you're probably going to want the data type information to be stored in the format itself and interpreted at runtime. < 1325552764 968664 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that you basically just have tagged unions, structs, and let bindings. < 1325552797 24172 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with syntax sugar for strings and lists, and integer and character primitives) < 1325553562 178327 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325553602 985047 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has this channel really only existed since november 06? < 1325553733 678629 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1325553736 492353 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :late 2002 < 1325553756 738101 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode's systems get replaced more often than this channel stops existing :) < 1325554022 665583 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have suggestion to have substitute player for Dungeons & Dragons game in case some of the players are not available? < 1325554051 684871 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: DMPC is ever a classic. < 1325554065 80948 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He said he doesn't want to do that? < 1325554113 843932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Figure out a way to write certain players out of the story, for sure... < 1325554124 440208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; of course I thought of that already. < 1325554153 593476 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few options from there: deal with missing members, find people to come in and play a game or two (and roll new characters), have some of your players play multiple characters... < 1325554173 176696 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am one of the players < 1325554179 390066 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last option may be sanity-straining, of course. < 1325554191 658725 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is one other player only, who is unavailable < 1325554196 82882 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, nevertheless, talking in a more general sense. :) < 1325554201 93243 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1325554226 38390 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only two players, only two player characters. < 1325554266 824891 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solo d&d? < 1325554301 613267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: The DM said he doesn't like that; I did suggest that, as well as having the DM have their own player character too, and this stuff. < 1325554326 738377 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised at having so few PCs. < 1325554335 989133 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "standard" D&D party is, like, 4... < 1325554365 472627 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've not really heard of fewer people in a party. < 1325554367 129771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know; but we play the game strangely < 1325554388 870892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are varying number of NPCs in the party sometimes < 1325554402 1453 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way you could play the game genuinely strangely is to play it by a strict reading of the rules. :P < 1325554412 214353 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other strange things about the party too; read the recording file for information! < 1325554436 637854 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :view-source:http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1325554566 479763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently we have two human NPCs which are navy marines < 1325554620 309718 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you have ideas about it by reading this? < 1325554629 817070 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps; lemme take a look. < 1325554685 235427 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what macro set are you using to generate that? Something you wrote yourself? < 1325554707 824311 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is a macro set I wrote myself: view-source:http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/dungeonsrecording.tex < 1325554721 839183 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1325554896 894998 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, doesn't appear to work with pdftex. < 1325554907 557040 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works just fine with tex, though. < 1325555119 671751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; just use TeX it is not intended to work with pdfTeX. < 1325555142 535050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't care whether or not it will work with pdfTeX < 1325555170 938383 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know why, but it doesn't matter < 1325555250 798047 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect pdfTeX has a few macros in place beyond what TeX offers that collide. < 1325555261 98866 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. < 1325555327 843047 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note this document uses a command to request input from the terminal; I don't know if pdfTeX has problems with that somehow < 1325555364 640502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \askprintinglevel asks you how much you want to be printed, 1 is the shortest printout and 6 is the longest printout. < 1325555386 791575 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That* much worked just fine. < 1325555438 250413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't matter; you can still get DVI output, and if you want PDF you can use an external program to convert DVI to PDF. < 1325555476 527826 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1325555518 726020 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ever play D&D 3.5 edition, you can use this same macro file if you want to record them in the computer. < 1325555602 860833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :During the game, we have never actually decided the actual number of Also's sausages even though we should have done; so I just made up some numbers < 1325556296 85150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are either of these two files good to you? < 1325556490 560219 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite impressed with the macros. < 1325557368 544681 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325557584 297501 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1325557602 81779 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think an AI could be made to play D&D, though it'd likely end up a mix of blind stat crunching and often inhoherent text generation. < 1325557657 491302 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof: the set of video games with D&D as their game rules. < 1325557660 391637 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BC89.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325557662 452204 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1325557708 848153 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well those have computer controlled monsters/NPCs, that's not really the same as AI pseudo-players. < 1325557732 844552 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They still aren't perfectly D&D regardless of their rules < 1325557747 922054 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They're reasonable approximations, IME. < 1325557773 346449 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only major divergence is the switch from rounds to real-time action. < 1325557790 986375 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A D&D video game would be a neat use of the AI director from Left4Dead. < 1325557836 685928 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though all it knows how to do is swarm you with zombies. < 1325557853 872965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are entirely different than a proper role playing game. The closest computer games to a proper role playing game would be a text adventure game, although even that is not close. < 1325557989 935660 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was discussing the mechanical aspects alone, of course. < 1325558003 233965 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The play experience is certainly *dramatically* different. < 1325558012 859037 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you want for that is not AI players but an AI DM. :P < 1325558081 972176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mechanical aspects can be made very close but even then, with the various possible exceptions, although you could still make a card game or computer game out of them without the exceptions, it might still make a workable game. < 1325558229 436816 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBd9c1gAqWs < 1325558229 753439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325558824 695796 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.48.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325558830 358498 :Jafet!~Jafet@149.171.48.81 QUIT :Changing host < 1325558830 514126 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1325559240 94967 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: pro cloak < 1325559297 291515 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a pro client < 1325559650 838744 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you can identify with server passwords on freenode :P < 1325559663 38805 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1325559667 444120 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh without the <>s < 1325559857 154344 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :My pro client takes care of that flawlessly < 1325559992 560845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1325560443 31808 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: < 1325560444 481162 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Jafet (~Jafet@149.171.48.81) has joined #esoteric < 1325560444 637619 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Jafet has quit (Changing host) < 1325560444 637812 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Jafet (~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet) has joined #esoteric < 1325560452 558696 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: For sufficiently wrong definitions of flawlessly < 1325560498 472733 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm some spambot changed the front page of the wiki probably < 1325560530 609972 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: reverted < 1325560539 281922 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1325560589 34038 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks too, I was poking for a link about how to write a page and look at some existing ones < 1325560760 552762 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1325560777 981070 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about adding anything too rough formatting-wise, it'll get cleaned up in a day or two < 1325560814 47730 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: The last minor release of this client left parted usernames in the user list < 1325560846 899207 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Why the fuck are you using Pidgin < 1325560847 891158 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I'm making a page about my language(s) < 1325560889 690752 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you seem upset that I use it? < 1325560933 684651 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: No, just amazed < 1325560942 271203 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a single person who can stand Pidgin's IRC support :P < 1325561056 864797 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care enough to change it < 1325561256 81358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they have The Mod Archive - Lite. < 1325561670 213210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sanity checking: given a value in m^2 and a conversion factor in USD/m, there is no way to get a meaningful value in USD, right? < 1325561754 356607 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it okay if I copy things I wrote about the language from my webpage or do I have to rephrase it? Do I have to put some "public domain" disclaimer on my webpage if I'm going to just copy it? < 1325561775 488928 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Just be aware that the version on the wiki is public domain. < 1325561793 69852 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I don't mind that < 1325561800 274087 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're good. < 1325561827 298447 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source: I read the copyright section of the USC a few years back.) < 1325561853 143657 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that public domain doesn't apply to the language itself? As in, the documentation on my site, binaries, sources and such (besides examples that I post on the wiki)? < 1325561863 249069 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only applies to the text on the wiki. < 1325561876 214720 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool :3 thanks < 1325561896 667542 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We genuinely don't care about the license on anything else, except to note that it's *courteous* to place your code under a FOSS license of some sort. < 1325561942 833708 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The examples of the language you mean? < 1325561949 592957 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325561952 483147 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean your implementation. < 1325561965 911908 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's placed on the wiki must be public domain (as a matter of policy). < 1325562016 53077 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... Hmm, I never really thought about licenses. I haven't released the sourcecode yet, only Windows and Linux binaries, though I'll put the code there later too < 1325562137 546327 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1325562355 860348 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, FWIW, the FOSS license being courteous thing is not specific to #esoteric, that's a community norm pretty much everywhere outside of corporations. < 1325562416 395641 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and windows users :P < 1325562435 76069 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Saying "community" automatically excludes them. :P < 1325562454 949548 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm a Windows user x3 < 1325562464 96334 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Linux too though. < 1325562501 315634 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy, now you're all going to hate me *hides under a rock* < 1325562525 604131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pity" is the correct term. < 1325562535 582160 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows users. I've heard of those! < 1325562546 711822 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about them in a book. < 1325562547 699786 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peeks from under the rock < 1325562558 66880 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The rock represents capitalism.) < 1325562561 156039 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, we're rare, like a fairy! < 1325562589 844424 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff, money. < 1325562622 135837 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer my schemes for economic distribution to be more handwavey! < 1325562632 505844 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, fiat money is not handwavey enough!) < 1325562639 470622 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But but but I thought about you and I made Linux binaries as well! *puppy eyes* < 1325562682 23878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you made (presumably) x86 glibc on Linux binaries. < 1325562701 388278 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuuuu < 1325562710 496689 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses standard C++ < 1325562717 728366 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "binaries" < 1325562725 761497 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an architecture-independent libc-independent linux binary i'll eat my hat :P < 1325562726 394428 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this isn't me being all GNU/X/Gnome/Linux-y, just being pedantic about specifying the ABI) < 1325562746 380135 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1325562757 370321 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the standard C++ code can be compiled into whatever you want x3 < 1325562762 267745 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had it. < 1325562764 393061 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which we don't. < 1325562766 775159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus the problem. < 1325562766 931554 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a donut. That you can eat instead of a hat. < 1325562785 754391 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will have it :3 < 1325562801 218663 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he did say he was releasing the sources < 1325562808 207733 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I figure out these licenses though x3 < 1325562834 846773 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is basically why I haven't released it yet, I was sort of avoiding it < 1325562880 228805 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD or GPL (there's more choices, but why consider others? The BSD-alikes are effectively identical, the GPL-alikes have significant disadvantages from being nowhere near as popular as GPL) < 1325562932 57277 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he GPL one, though are there more versions? Also, do I have to put it in all source code files? < 1325562944 554606 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD is probably a better choice (<-- NOT BIASED) < 1325562951 557956 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have to put it in a file you include with the sources. < 1325562961 673364 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's called LICENSE (although COPYING is the standard name for the GPL). < 1325562985 145601 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pfft, real programmers tri-license their code Mozilla Public License/Artistic License 1.0/CC by-sa-nc < 1325562986 885599 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool, I was afraid I have to put this GPL comment blob of text I see in some sources *giggles* < 1325562987 41888 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, BSD is perhaps the simplest, and certainly with the best understood consequences. < 1325562988 827739 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nd < 1325563005 593044 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it in public domain if you don't care about licenses. < 1325563009 598134 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: The GPL comment blob is nothing but a courtesy, and one that few people *care* about. < 1325563023 277370 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In many jurisdictions that's impossible. < 1325563032 197644 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Assuming public domain is valid in your country and the countries of those who wish to use your software... < 1325563033 346504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why you have WTFPL < 1325563052 188200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's ambiguous in the US, but only slightly. < 1325563074 296990 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, thanks, I'll look into it, don't worry, I don't intend to have it closed source, I like the idea if someone actually might be interested into doing something with it x3 < 1325563075 247833 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's either really public domain or licensed under terms precisely identical to what you can do with it under the public domain, near as I can tell) < 1325563100 892562 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq has yet to contradict my SUPERB licensing advice which nobody should follow. < 1325563116 277987 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Jesus that is the worst combination of licenses doable. < 1325563123 816319 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, CC by-sa-nc? The *fuck*? < 1325563128 298542 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: -nd < 1325563137 726911 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's technically just CC by-nc-nd, though, no sa :P < 1325563164 293942 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That only makes it worse. < 1325563188 331802 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I forget, is normal multi-licensing union or intersection? < 1325563189 129235 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often use GPL or public domain. But use BSD if you prefer < 1325563190 593256 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. < 1325563216 222998 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I used Qt for the GUI though < 1325563222 315486 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, this is none of those; this is under the xor of all those licenses. A term applies iff only a single license in the set has it. < 1325563245 939850 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Qt is LGPL these days, so you're fine licensing your program with anything < 1325563269 296352 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's cool then :3 < 1325563274 935250 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just license your program also under LGPL like Qt is, then, if you want < 1325563279 803107 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would suggest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License#License_terms if you don't really care, for what it's worth; it's the simplest of the BSD-derivatives and widely used. < 1325563291 866146 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use MIT license too, yes that work also < 1325563294 481315 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though GUI isn't really necessary, the emulation core works by itself < 1325563309 104843 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nicer than BSD3 because it doesn't have a bulleted list. :p < 1325563315 638872 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Normally it's select a set, actually. < 1325563317 582223 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm, that list is actually numbered. < 1325563317 738258 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it doesn't depend on the Qt libraries at all < 1325563328 317943 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, well, xor licensing is the new thing. < 1325563330 413419 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to comply with at least one license in its entirety, which license that is is up to you. < 1325563348 468417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: If you want, you could either move the GUI into a separate source file, or allow someone else to make those changes if someone else want to do so < 1325563382 544256 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is separate, I just #include it in the Qt project < 1325563398 195352 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the headers and the static library < 1325563421 237983 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the GUI is basically a seperate program. < 1325563429 324085 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1325563436 107120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still you're fine licensing your program with anything. < 1325563447 35958 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should give the GUI away for free and sell the emulation core for $5,000/seat. < 1325563453 807974 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1325563456 224563 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only logical < 1325563458 203431 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :|3 < 1325563496 271753 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should make the emulation core open sourced and the Linux GUI also open sourced, but sell the Windows GUI for $100 each < 1325563508 530570 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would. :P < 1325563536 9275 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sell the roasted assembler-cores $500/bucket :D < 1325563599 512837 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crunch crunch crunch* mmmmm... tasty *crunOUCH* A syntax error! < 1325563684 508155 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like zlib just because it has a cooler looking name. < 1325563978 342286 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the GUI code is horrible, because it was my first Qt app x3 And I didn't have enough time to learn it first on examples, so I was learning a lot when working on it. < 1325564362 332228 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just license it entirely under the LGPL < 1325564368 368695 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't. < 1325564374 563196 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325564388 173553 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or BSD, MIT, GPL, WTFPL, public domain < 1325564397 754543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't use Creative Commons licenses for software < 1325564419 613958 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1325565858 896114 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their FAQ even says the same thing. Also, they are incompatible with software licenses. You should use a proper software license to ensure compatibility. < 1325565881 561101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra resources of software, such as graphics, sounds, and so on, can be licensed using Creative Commons. < 1325565882 826787 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: I knew it was you. < 1325566019 783597 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally find it easy to pick up on elliott's various nicks. He's just very identifiable. < 1325566042 635095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it easy to simply see "!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott" you can know just from that < 1325566066 356924 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend not to see that. < 1325566120 835832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a most common IRC clients hide that < 1325566136 23806 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine doesn't hide it, I just don't see him join. < 1325566167 854624 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that I just came to my IRC client and switched to #esoteric. < 1325566175 961270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1325566241 227632 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine shows it with every message < 1325566264 577732 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, yours is a UI for the IRC bytestream. < 1325566273 335740 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1325566281 191913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And syntax highlighting and a few other things < 1325566513 591141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best way in Haskell to check existence of a file? < 1325566564 693803 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Don't, just try and use it and catch the error. < 1325566580 513484 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My answer to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8502201/remove-file-if-it-exists-in-haskell goes into some detail about that and why.) < 1325566754 370409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to implement to find file in search path specified by environment variables. < 1325566760 435185 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best way of that? < 1325566792 314890 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Iterate through each path you think it might be in; try and open it for each of them, and catch the exception for it not existing and continue. < 1325566829 190756 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Writing openFileIfItExists :: FilePath -> SomethingMode (I always forget the name) -> IO (Maybe Handle) will get isolate the exception-handling boilerplate. < 1325566919 600932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use the <|> for IO and fold using <|> maybe < 1325566983 390791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it is one way. < 1325566995 553933 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1325567030 423555 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's probably a bad idea; you only want to catch does-not-exist exceptions, not anything else that might go wrong. < 1325567043 692343 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1325567732 179965 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEP, GLORIOUS SLEEP < 1325567941 947774 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/Iosethos i don't understand........ < 1325567972 168385 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, redditor for six hours. < 1325567983 198333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the losethos guy < 1325567991 558994 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1325567995 576438 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/o0bkh/iama_ratt_tshirt/ < 1325568011 513454 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/RmFpI.jpg <-- one of his submissions, wtf (don't click that) < 1325568029 21584 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I went to the hardware store and asked that it was the “urgent” number. I called her when got by yesterday and today I got home today, I hoped it was a song by Falco is a rare medical condition." < 1325568033 295755 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a song by falco is a rare medical condition < 1325568049 465347 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit look at the speed he's posting < 1325568068 284709 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean obviously the text is machine-generated < 1325568070 701292 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325568085 534971 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://soundcloud.com/footnotegal/sets/the-first-transaction-was/ < 1325568087 434153 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ what < 1325568100 920569 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he submitted this to... /r/mylittlepony... wtf losethos guy, wtf < 1325568160 186174 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1325568162 5697 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/o0bkh/iama_ratt_tshirt/c3de006 oh good someone else recognises him < 1325568182 27555 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/losethos < 1325568183 530523 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's gone < 1325568187 15046 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like that < 1325568193 837320 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1325568195 565105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/Iosethos with an I < 1325568203 249851 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325568208 863806 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that was a bit too perfect < 1325568291 256918 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/o0p7d/to_still_be_soaked_with_detergent/ ah, the halcyon days of youth, when we were soaked with detergent < 1325568340 482492 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... how do I make a thumbnail though? I can't seem to figure it out >.< I tried looking up syntax, but nothing seems to work < 1325568359 905099 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: thumbnail for what? < 1325568367 705669 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an image, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images might help < 1325568394 926247 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[blah|thumb|caption]] basically < 1325568398 289928 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can omit the |caption < 1325568407 733393 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blah is Image:blah < 1325568448 124007 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was looking at that... oh no wait... that's something a bit different, the one I saw had syntax "thumb=" < 1325568452 874315 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks < 1325568692 386315 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need more Deadfish interpreters in esolangs. monqy: You get on that. < 1325568794 478133 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Hey, didn't you say your interpreter was in C++? I can write C++ too: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates :D < 1325568847 671436 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuuuuu x3 < 1325568867 685933 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any decent esolangs left < 1325568870 401508 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :undeadfished < 1325568879 297542 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not interpreter though < 1325568902 842257 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Underload, although admittedly it lacks input < 1325568906 682509 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL < 1325568927 100883 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I don't know intercalle < 1325568931 460385 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an assembler/compiler that makes a machine code for the processor architecture. That can be either fed to the VHDL implementation (not available/finished yet) or ran in the emulator (virtual machine sort of ) < 1325568983 210636 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: ah, you program in both C++ and VHDL... which circle of hell did you learn programming in? < 1325569029 434788 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly self educated. I poke around for some books and such and play with it. < 1325569040 139935 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, that I should rather work with Verilog? x3 < 1325569056 5429 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the C++ part < 1325569085 611298 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, they're just two unbearable languages of torture and pain :P < 1325569091 449241 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, VHDL moreso. < 1325569121 128548 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the esolang enthusiast? :D < 1325569169 795743 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least we don't claim they're usable :) < 1325569177 815281 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325569227 236385 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then... this calls for... HELLO WORLD in attoassembly x3 http://data.solirax.org/attowpu/helloworld.att < 1325569247 261406 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, someone added a language to the list and didn't mess up the alphabetic order. < 1325569252 562405 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has to be some kind of record. < 1325569264 214756 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't me Oo < 1325569272 918075 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: Reminds me of Redcode, though probably not for any decent reason. < 1325569308 307913 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my implementation of Pong in AttoASM :D http://data.solirax.org/attowpu/Pong.att < 1325569332 890132 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work < 1325569365 759628 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's broken pong < 1325569372 55994 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works < 1325569406 21390 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I publish something that doesn't work? < 1325569426 450890 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325569436 158791 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask the people who publish things that don't work < 1325569454 996843 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask all of them < 1325569467 743707 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I might need a people-who-publish-things-that-don't-work detector though < 1325569595 95723 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't really have nice video of it (you can try it yourself later though), but there's at least something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mqTjj_7e51s#t=236s < 1325569612 261118 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i do good thing or stupid thing < 1325569617 609020 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from an high-school expo where I presented it, earli... oh it's 2012... earlier last year < 1325569622 597186 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good stupid thing < 1325569636 839448 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: looks like pnog to me!! < 1325569638 622108 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pnog. oops < 1325569649 787136 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pong is running there in the simulator < 1325570000 272248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1325570303 860291 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An affect can effect an effect that affects." < 1325570627 822676 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1325570994 229263 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pikhq how long can human beings stay awake, what does science say < 1325571022 757428 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 days < 1325571035 204464 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's the record I think < 1325571064 885284 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there may be hope for me < 1325571066 942185 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1325571307 21481 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you actually *want* is the the time before you start hallucinating, though. < 1325571323 36541 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the hallucinations are fun < 1325571415 796080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the surreal feeling, involuntary movements < 1325571503 323491 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's that then < 1325571524 421077 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, ~72 hours. < 1325571583 530366 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: actually not that long < 1325571593 283522 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hit microsleeps pretty quickly comparatively < 1325571614 360140 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, don't microsleeps start from ~24 hours? < 1325571641 826544 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1325571667 191482 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not universally i'm sure < 1325571670 214475 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1325571675 457304 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the point is that you don't notice them < 1325571687 163237 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've functioned normally and very sharply at 40 hours < 1325571726 966688 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have managed to notice them, but only from noticing "WTF a few seconds slipped". < 1325571752 643873 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: how much drugs? < 1325571782 957700 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use drugs; usually I max out around 30 hours < 1325571787 152333 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: every drug, man. (no drugs) < 1325571788 734521 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's on a good day < 1325571790 789701 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 40 hour thing was just once < 1325571793 248973 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: I include caffeine < 1325571803 896912 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok i drink soda < 1325571810 465663 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1325571816 670432 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm pretty sure the effects are negligble on me nowadays < 1325571821 500220 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't drink any more when sleep-deprived < 1325571838 858420 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: consider that a common schedule for me is sleeping approx. every 26-30 hours < 1325571844 404663 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1325571851 887846 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm just lucky! < 1325571865 333314 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm not < 1325571867 927979 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every 30 hours but like < 1325571871 206878 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 26-30 hours of wakeness < 1325571947 917313 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: are you peter barfuss? < 1325571966 927365 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure; probably not < 1325571970 498711 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok < 1325571978 911470 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on who peter barfuss is < 1325571980 96327 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he me? < 1325572015 87576 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :peter barfuss is an undergrad at my school known for, among other things, massive sleep deprivation. At his worst, I believe he had a week where you could count the number of hours of sleep on one hand < 1325572044 602459 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, but i don't do the napping thing, with me sleep deprivation is followed by sleeping 14 hours+ < 1325572047 234646 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually 16 hours < 1325572069 578985 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure my natural melatonin levels are abnormally low for some reason < 1325572093 96076 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've hit 18 hours of sleep after massive deprivation < 1325572130 11502 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i've done 20 < 1325572132 228200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure holy fuck I feel bad < 1325572135 674145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :7:30 and still pitch black outside < 1325572135 674353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1325572138 547269 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat < 1325572143 434883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1325572143 590765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree said 3h 51m 53s ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBd9c1gAqWs < 1325572147 537027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Swedish winters < 1325572148 686933 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: I'm sick and complaining about it. < 1325572158 509782 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude... that can happen in the UK too :P < 1325572166 988485 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as I'm already sleep-deprived and now can't sleep well < 1325572182 326728 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Me too! Well, the sleep-deprived part. But it's only 6:30, so there's a chance I'll hop to bed. < 1325572185 102482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, well sure, but it will be the same 10:00 too < 1325572205 652582 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sleeping would be an excellent opportunity to realign both my sleep schedule and my dwindling Stack Overflow reputation spree, though! < 1325572235 540150 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: bonus fun sleep fact: the only way i can rebound into a decent schedule is by waking up at inconvenient times twice in a row < 1325572243 468483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Impressive. But a pretty basic scene. I wonder if it would make use of SSE and so on to speed up computations. I saw a ray tracer in C written to use SSE to compute multiple line intersections at once < 1325572243 626331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325572267 947787 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: engree == elliott < 1325572271 367670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325572276 682501 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because < 1325572279 586225 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree actually sent that message < 1325572283 227762 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1325572284 654024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it as elliott somehow < 1325572285 604016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1325572301 227176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is because I know we talked about the topic before < 1325572320 717608 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wake up at 16:00 -> sleep at next 16:00 -> wake up at midnight -> sleep at 18:00-20:00 -> wake up at 04:00 -> sleep at midnight -> wake up at reasonable hour < 1325572325 379643 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :patented(tm) < 1325572332 516022 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, repa does automatic parallelisation < 1325572338 494798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, that one never worked for me < 1325572340 603415 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think GHC does SSE though < 1325572345 623645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the wakeup at midnight phase now < 1325572350 412343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm stuck there < 1325572371 367678 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the code is actually really readable: http://code.ouroborus.net/gloss/gloss-head/gloss-examples/Ray/ < 1325572380 549770 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Better than the wakeup at noon phase, I guess? < 1325572385 492727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, more readable than C with SSE? Of course < 1325572394 5047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is standard. < 1325572396 770779 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, but it's even pretty idiomatic < 1325572400 946366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I usually wake up after noon :P < 1325572403 902884 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: god no waking up at noon is amazingly perfect < 1325572408 773501 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could wake up at noon every day i'd be so happy < 1325572413 393362 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree: Yes, *I* think so. < 1325572424 219713 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately a few billion people seem to disagree. < 1325572436 730155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, adding SSE gives you an edge. I saw basically that + some CSG + antialias in real time being done < 1325572445 418916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure the haskell code could scale up to that < 1325572458 901042 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Being editable by a non-madman counts for more. < 1325572459 851958 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's no real obstacle to GHC donig SSE. < 1325572461 198227 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doing < 1325572464 584572 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just hasn't been implemented yet. < 1325572476 518552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, certainly. But I always had a soft spot for the crazy demoscene :P < 1325572481 224200 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1325572502 929039 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And the code could possibly benefit from it without being changed. It doesn't contain a single mention of parallelism, after all, and it still scales to the quad-core machine it was run on. < 1325572512 541989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1325572523 851131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, I believe the code I was referring to used OpenMP + SSE < 1325572554 329098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree, openmp is actually quite easy to use. Still it does mention parallelism indeed. < 1325572687 265192 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I saw someone working on getting the automatic vectorisation to work with OpenMP... < 1325572694 185128 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might just be misremembering, though. < 1325572719 305430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, I don't think it was used in the code in question though < 1325572728 909861 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1325572734 75658 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though in principle it could be. < 1325572744 20070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1325572750 720105 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like in principle you could execute a C program on the Deathstation 9000. < 1325572756 178827 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1325572767 885152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, actually the program in question was portable between gcc and msvc < 1325572775 155819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty impressive if you use intrinsics < 1325572830 101244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to try out the current technic pack for minecraft < 1325572838 734786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing mod pack back during 1.7.3 at least < 1325572844 753753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't really used it since then < 1325573241 960911 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:47 :( < 1325573605 47692 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325573812 217654 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi, should i sleep, < 1325573818 235363 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1325573857 235326 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1325573921 228623 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what does, a mean, < 1325573926 991205 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1325574008 613583 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1325574012 974273 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:L < 1325574026 95240 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you, < 1325574027 666131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired < 1325574042 877882 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1325574052 168851 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider sleep < 1325574074 43805 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1325574089 168364 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait until the tired becomes painful < 1325574100 782434 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or until you run out of things to do that are not sleep < 1325574115 169275 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or until you slip unconscious < 1325574277 27025 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1325574285 951217 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engrey < 1325574287 605029 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the cut of your jib, let me give you an offer u cant refuse (i will kill you if you refuse) < 1325574292 559325 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill go to bed < 1325574293 375774 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no,, < 1325574301 172716 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you make sure i get the SO rep I need by the time i wake up < 1325574308 740749 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1325574309 122158 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1325574311 75842 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhow < 1325574313 611981 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats for me to know < 1325574314 879775 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you to find out < 1325574322 874300 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1325574598 169133 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you found out yet < 1325574612 1756 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1325574744 503454 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hury, up? < 1325574751 624656 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1325574752 135202 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant < 1325574752 725732 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1325574840 390491 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok gon1dight < 1325574841 776697 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gondight < 1325574844 708048 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gondight monquay < 1325574846 952179 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1325574851 190839 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gondighte < 1325574859 845509 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye -engrey < 1325574867 210724 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- mqony < 1325574889 259714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Trans.Error defines MonadPlus IO but not Alternative IO and anyways their instance is wrong < 1325574912 45008 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should allow override instances! < 1325574930 824530 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote some ideas in my user space in Haskell Wiki < 1325575060 614257 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :engree < 1325575096 486295 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ; < 1325575101 602461 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the Haskell wiki needs is more notation. < 1325575146 340408 :engree!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1325575167 26425 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/User:Zzo38/Proposal_for_instance_disambiguation < 1325575192 14209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes that one is the one I meant < 1325575645 559812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the key mapping in minecraft gets annoying when you have tens of mods < 1325575661 469039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is of course not a single interface to configure them all < 1325575680 222093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe when they finally add that modding API... < 1325575690 431171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doubt that will ever happen < 1325575713 818641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, besides there are key bindings in the settings menu I can't access because they go under the "done" button < 1325575722 761028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombe do it by config file < 1325575740 337346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rei's minimap does it using it's own config dialogue < 1325575741 868024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1325575808 447456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, currently I'm trying to get technic pack + several freestanding mods to play nicely < 1325575815 654765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works apart from conflicting keys atm < 1325575853 318168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./testlm-disk.pl ../twungot/tokens.bin.irc ../twungot/model.bin.irc 3 programmers do it with < 1325575853 474528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers do it with objects. is that a cartesian product function that i want to < 1325575853 630926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers do it with lookahead and the whitespace cset. but please, be patient: i have some < 1325575853 631132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers do it with exceptions as a control and assume that the answer to your question is "is it because you think you _need_ unwind-protect?" < 1325575866 537804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cset? < 1325575901 320788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I found a better version of TMI, called NMI < 1325575903 782041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps short for "set of characters". < 1325575907 536890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever used TMI < 1325575922 75172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-maskable interrupts are a better version of too much information? < 1325575923 84777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest switching to NMI, especially if you have lots of mods < 1325575949 443278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, too many items also typoed NEI as NMI < 1325575955 26922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is not enough items < 1325575960 474525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the in game inventory editor < 1325575964 156595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful when testing things < 1325575985 861819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEI supports searching rather than having like 40 pages due to mods < 1325575990 87362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1325576005 500638 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MonadPlus IO in Control.Monad.Trans.Error is the wrong one!!!!!!! < 1325576005 817937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use it to look up recipes as well < 1325576024 571946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, by turning off cheating mode < 1325576109 984145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not sure if you play with many mods though, apart from optifine I presume < 1325576164 661415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I tried out a few bits from that zombe thing. < 1325576171 584294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325576210 989723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really done any Minecrafting since about September, anyway. < 1325576254 417194 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens quite frequently that I'll go to bed after staying up all night < 1325576258 141141 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then... wake up 4 hours later. < 1325576258 934596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I use techic pack (IC², Buildcraft, Redpower + a lot more smaller mods), NEI, zombe's flying and sun control, worldedit CUI, single player commands (for worldedit support in single player) and of course optifine < 1325576267 295732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually looks like optifine is part of technic nowdays < 1325576301 162768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :redpower especially adds a /lot/ of blocks < 1325576307 933547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to combinatorial explosion < 1325576359 447237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can make panels, halfblocks and what not out of most vanilla blocks < 1325576529 875991 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, there may have been an update I forgot to notify you about < 1325576763 46306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1325576891 642877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch ouch ouch, minecraft coloured lights are done using multitexturing. This is so wrong. < 1325576904 90299 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325576908 956601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in torchlight vs. sunlight < 1325577058 676862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8 changelog: + Rewrote the light rendering to use multitexturing instead of direct colors < 1325577103 571844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1325577113 419438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a nasty way to do it < 1325577127 218397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it makes it much harder for mod authors to add their own lights of various colours < 1325577192 146883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not surprising in general, either, since the existing light colour scheme is just "two dimensions, skylight and blocklight == torch", no matter how it's implemented. < 1325577206 513416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could easily make all torches green, though. :p < 1325577210 920034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1325577218 440417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not add green, red and blue torches < 1325577303 116518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why doesn't minecraft just use the phong model for all the available light sources. It could even drop the specular light calculation, which is probably the most expensive part < 1325577305 837133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I remember < 1325577328 465562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since mc has not specular light < 1325577342 284640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be as "retro". < 1325577373 477190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, mc dropped retro the day it implemented smooth light < 1325577407 585288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was someone else's idea, though, and optional in any case. < 1325577420 89322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that stuff isn't around any more < 1325577449 499886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it still toggleable? (I certainly haven't looked.) < 1325577459 61944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, can't check atm < 1325577811 380206 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325577932 22451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the current lighting code do shadows for block light sources? For skylight it does, that much I remember. I suppose it does some sort of custom light-spread for blocklight too. < 1325578049 857315 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1325578105 884659 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe somebody here can answer this one < 1325578123 354433 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took some source which was released under the MIT license and significantly modified it < 1325578138 317647 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf do i do to be all proper about things but still own my modifications? < 1325578740 419887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a copyleft license or anything, so as far as I know you're free to distribute your modified version under a license as restrictive as you want, possibly as long as there's a sentence like "includes code from libfoo, which you can get from libfoo.com, licensed under the following terms: [copy of their copyright notice + MIT license statement]." But I'm certainly no lawyer. < 1325578847 527655 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't actually care about the license but i intend to make the source available and I want to "do right" < 1325578855 116 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of these licenses that allow you to take and use and modify the code < 1325578874 502085 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i just add a copyright notice? how do i specify that "my changes are everywhere" lol < 1325579228 712549 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1325579877 292783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to MIT-license the result, I would think you can just put in "Copyright Myself" + MIT license "permission is granted + no warranty" statement + based on/derived from the FunkyCode, copyright TheirName. Though I've also seen people just do "Copyright Myname" + "Copyright TheirName" + same license terms. < 1325579915 70390 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps :) < 1325579919 192038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. RTMPDump-YLE does it like that, http://fador.be/yle/README.rtmpdump-yle + then their COPYING file in the distribution includes the GPL text, plus "json-c has the following license: [json-c's MIT license text]". < 1325579920 302783 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought it would be easier to find an answer for this < 1325579941 424299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course whoever wrote RTMPDump-YLE probably wasn't a lawyer either.) < 1325579946 344465 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a well-known and "official" kind of answer ;) < 1325579978 7922 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's just words in many ways so i suppose i can write whatever i want that doesn't violate the existing license, i just wondered if there was a proper or standard way and couldn't find it < 1325579981 486395 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i want to find more :P < 1325580009 856749 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the author said to me in e-mail "i don't really care, you can do whatever you want" hehe < 1325580071 620786 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright Jafet 2009..2012. I don't have any money to hire a lawyer, so you can use this source code in any way you like and I probably won't ever sue you. No warranties expressed or implied. < 1325580085 124563 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1325580108 389033 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a kick out of the WTFPL license < 1325581103 330421 :Slereah_!~butt@ANantes-259-1-167-140.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1325581337 114251 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, I implemented simple colored snow animation in my language 2DASM for 2DWPU architecture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnzaXvF7p7o Here's the source: http://data.solirax.org/2dwpu/colorsnow.2da It's WIP though |3 < 1325581513 190495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325581548 7842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a big number, according to these functions of natural numbers, where ^ means exponent and ! means factorial and ; separates the definitions. < 1325581611 938162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(0,0) = 1; f(x,0) = x^f(x-1,k(x,x!)); f(x,y) = x!+k(y^f(x,0),y^f(x,y-1)) < 1325581644 917062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :k(x,0) = 2^h(x,0); k(x,y) = (x+y)^k((xy)^(xy),y-1) < 1325581674 951797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :h(0,0) = 1; h(x,0) = p(h(x-1,p(x))); h(x,y) = p(h(x,y-1)) < 1325581682 452680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :p(x) = x'th prime number; p(0)=1 < 1325581700 461842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :q(x,0) = f(x,0); q(x,y) = f(q(x,y-1),q(x,y-1)) < 1325581708 178436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big number = q(2,q(2,2)) < 1325581747 319463 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for zzo's new exciting result in Ramsey theory. < 1325581755 961512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How large is it, what is its one's digit, what is its most significant digit, how does it compare to other big numbers, and etc? < 1325581836 327639 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it larger or smaller than: Skew's number, Moser's number, Graham's number, and XKCD's number? < 1325581859 600927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even equal? < 1325581919 730759 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to put it in Haskell < 1325581964 358579 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worked it a bit on paper and as far as I know the computer probably won't be able to complete the calculation < 1325582499 264256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : p(x) = x'th prime number; p(0)=1 <-- I thought 1 was not a prime number? < 1325582522 492265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then there wouldn't be unique factorizations into prime numbers < 1325582545 329912 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know 1 is not a prime number. < 1325582561 978388 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But p(0) has to be defined anyways so that is its definition I put < 1325582575 507371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325582595 180097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I worked it a bit on paper and as far as I know the computer probably won't be able to complete the calculation <-- depends on how you represent it? < 1325582610 95609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like too much work though < 1325582630 298202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you worked on it in a CAS you might be able to find something out < 1325582653 96642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I assume it is super-exponential then? < 1325582669 229934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is ! in there, so I'd go with probably < 1325583003 503512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already after expanding f(2,0)=2^f(1,4^((4^4+1)^(2^(h((4^4)^(4^4),0)))))) < 1325583050 340575 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already (4^4)^(4^4) is 256^256 which is more than googol. < 1325583112 726851 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Googolplex? < 1325583185 393503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius, is that 10^(10^100) or? I don't remember < 1325583196 54828 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1325583204 373767 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^googol < 1325583234 645243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematica says that 10^(10^100) > 256^256 is True, but it gives a warning about overflow < 1325583237 740176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure < 1325583251 563547 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know the math around these expansions and such, I guess I'll have to read something more later ^^ < 1325583287 645909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then that is a fairly small level of expansion of zzo38's function < 1325583329 415904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing that annoys me greatly in windows 7: I can't find a way to open the right click menu for the currently open directory without going up a level above it and right clicking it < 1325583346 844673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently working with shell integrated version control system, so I really really want that feature < 1325583375 431166 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right clicking in the empty space doesn't work? Or did I misunderstand you? < 1325583400 558022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 256^256 = (10^log10(256))^256 = 10^(log10(256)*256) ~ 10^616; it's quite clear 10^(10^100) is bigger than that. < 1325583401 192522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I tried to right click the icon for the folder in the corner of the window. That worked under xp < 1325583405 563532 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try right-clicking the icon in the title bar? That works in older versions of Windows. < 1325583426 321467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that is the thing that /doesn't/ work any more < 1325583434 129032 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try using the File menu? < 1325583457 120231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my computer, which is XP, selecting the File menu has one submenu labeled with the name of the current directory. < 1325583470 929936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the option for tortoisehg is under there, good < 1325583474 774790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right under the file menu < 1325583480 203843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is btw hidden by default < 1325583485 522231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you set a folder option thingy < 1325583499 480100 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushing alt should make it display the menu even if hidden < 1325583515 630927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I really prefer linux, windows would be okay with a usable shell, and no powershell is a joke) < 1325583555 670921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, can't hg handle empty directories? Or is it just this shell extension being stupid? < 1325583583 532770 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Linux is better. But in Windows, the standard command prompt is OK for some things, and so is Windows Explorer; you can get a UNIX command line by using Cygwin. < 1325583598 242458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is kind of broken iirc < 1325583606 120307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After it deletes a file, it then deletes any empty directories that were in the deleted file's path. This sounds like a trivial distinction, but it has one minor practical consequence: it is not possible to represent a completely empty directory in Mercurial." < 1325583627 32943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1325583638 671378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no tortoisebzr, and I'm /not/ using svn < 1325583639 705640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Git works the same way, unless I misremember. < 1325583641 332411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor git) < 1325583673 476668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put a placeholder file in. < 1325583739 674903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not really in this case though. Meh < 1325583797 859143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tortoisehg has some problems with tracking the correct state for the icon overlay. More so than tortoisesvn even < 1325583806 721560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that had some issue with it < 1325583838 527474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dummy .gitignore/.hgignore is something I've seen in "empty"-but-we-want-them-to-exist directories. < 1325583910 63299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no control over the software that might try to read the directory in question so I'd rather not confuse it, I'll just make sure to add the directory once any files does get added to it < 1325585994 633340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325586356 870005 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1325586789 643745 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1325589620 346510 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regex question, how do I alter this regex: ^(\w++) gets a (.*?)$ so if in the (.*?) part there is the word 'and' it doesn't match < 1325589627 663241 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure something to do with lookarounds? but can't figure out what < 1325589652 719480 :nooga!~nooga@c35-253.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1325589999 205249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doesn't match" is often not-so-easy for regexen. I mean, you *can* of course just replace (.*) with ((?:(?!and).)*) and that (seems to) work, but it's anyone's guess how inefficient that is; esp. compared to just matching and then testing whether $2 contains "and". < 1325590157 371155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @a = ("foo gets a bar", "foo gets a bar and baz"); for (@a) { print "$_ => "; if (/^(\w+) gets a ((?:(?!and).)*?)$/) { print "match: ($1) ($2)\n"; } else { print "no match\n"; } } < 1325590157 880134 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo gets a bar => match: (foo) (bar) \ foo gets a bar and baz => no match < 1325590199 587712 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, duh, I'm an idiot < 1325590204 423750 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just test in LUA after the regex matches < 1325590286 873454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325590298 178877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I doubt whether the ? does nothing; you're already using the possessive ++ "eat and never backtrack", and the match is anchored at the end with $, so I don't see how the (.*) part can do anything else except match all the way to the end, no matter if it's greedy or not. < 1325590303 543859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nothing/anything/ < 1325590316 536786 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably doesn't do anything, no < 1325590323 52867 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just there because the regex generator put it there for me! < 1325590394 507697 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting seeing what kind of regexes are pathological and what aren't < 1325590481 861030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :((?!foo).)* sounds like something that at least a commonly stupid regex engine would implement in the rather bad "check for a 'foo' substring at each position" way. < 1325590591 771002 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the pearl regex engine implement that in the bad way? < 1325590593 355648 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*perl < 1325590599 710074 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325590600 183710 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/c that's what mushclient uses < 1325590673 851238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've heard, it's not uncommonly smart. < 1325590875 915969 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1325590884 935834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1325591350 129632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:01:01: :t reads < 1325591350 323223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:01:02: forall a. (Read a) => String -> [(a, String)] < 1325591352 602192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1325591508 838320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runStateT (replicateM 3 $ StateT reads) "1 2 3 4" :: [([Int], String)] < 1325591509 790174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [([1,2,3]," 4")] < 1325591550 403817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: http://sprunge.us/fdXW -- well, that doesn't look excessively smart. Though I guess it's possible the debug mode inhibits some optimilizations. < 1325592360 756393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325592677 896736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: Well, this is none of those; this is under the xor of all those licenses. A term applies iff only a single license in the set has it. < 1325592690 378959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not xor, xor means an odd number < 1325592719 659713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's addition (mod 2), after all < 1325592794 555417 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325593760 578435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if i could wake up at noon every day i'd be so happy <-- i woke up and noon today *MWAHAHAHA* < 1325593779 306106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at < 1325593983 663501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, too, woke up at noon. < 1325593989 391861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --english 20 < 1325593994 440985 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: english < 1325594004 678818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 20 < 1325594010 921705 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lot verted praxinde ttensent diviot volute prote int esse antisscn sgthconstrefe darade reffe runcharmit ielder difper speari sonder cfol good < 1325594011 871917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such language. here we all speak rigelian. < 1325594128 629325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sonder the darades, we've got a difper following us! < 1325594171 851737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't believe that volute runcharmit! < 1325594206 228439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's prote to a lot of no good < 1325594211 587685 :FireFly!firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1325594211 743388 :FireFly!firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1325594258 955895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgth. Constrefe, you're such a diviot! < 1325594285 428040 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89A12.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325594522 842770 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1325595169 240246 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-114.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325595180 435052 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-128.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325595254 998516 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is the weather in Hexham today Scotland? http://i.imgur.com/SWaD6.jpg < 1325595409 903419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Current temperature at Otaniemi: 3.12 °C" < 1325595464 248909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, depends on whether everything that hasn't been nailed down has blown away. < 1325595464 565583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was -5 just two days ago; and yesterday it was snowing reasonably heavily; now I guess it's all going to just melt again. < 1325595593 998416 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weather for Melbourne, Victoria | Temperature: 73F / 23C < 1325595756 95256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I believe the weather for Tuesday indicates that there are clouds forming an X shape in the sky, in much the same way as they are reported to have to Óengus II before his battle with the Angles. < 1325596146 348544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 i think your number may be larger than Skewes's number but smaller than Moser's number, as afaict all your functions are still primitive recursive, so cannot get up to the approx. ackermann level. < 1325596146 863515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1325596491 92698 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does my computer have any chance of storing Skewes's number? < 1325596545 114984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not written out in a common base, no < 1325596621 135137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^10^10^34 has 10^10^34 decimals. even 10^10^34 has 10^34 which is enormous < 1325596992 845228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:33:54: mathematica says that 10^(10^100) > 256^256 is True, but it gives a warning about overflow < 1325597004 979667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :256^256 = 2^(8*256), so much smaller < 1325597082 478782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimates of the amount of "data" in the world are around the magnitude of a zettabyte, 10^21 bytes. < 1325597145 60459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They newsposts that report these estimates never tell how they're made. < 1325597222 340728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The absolute quantum-mechanical upper bound for the data storage of the entire Earth is only around 10^75 bits. < 1325597288 395522 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that in non-compressed form? :P < 1325597300 421990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose all the data in the world is compressed ... hahahahha < 1325597324 644075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the amount of "data" in the world probably means the amount of ram in the world < 1325597339 397966 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the size of the world's tape < 1325597342 610756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly they estimated the Bekenstein bounds of all the computers in the world. < 1325597349 487965 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325597376 443713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this topic over my head which means i am learning < 1325597399 353878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All they really say is just "content" in the "Internet"; I'm sure it's based on something more detailed, but they never bother including that in the reporting. < 1325597423 258359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bekenstein bound of the internet as depicted by The IT Crowd. < 1325597437 519152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's zero, because the internet obviously doesn't weigh anything.) < 1325597437 675691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2007, humankind was able to store 2.9 × 10^20 optimally compressed bytes, communicate almost 2 × 10^21 bytes, and carry out 6.4 × 10^18 instructions per second on general-purpose computers", says a 2011 Science article, which presumably has some details too. < 1325597451 628098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimally....... compressed......... < 1325597500 273974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :science journalism < 1325597510 446493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's shorthand for "best algorithms available in 2007". < 1325597527 825123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the context of this story, anyway. < 1325597542 944119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fair enough then < 1325597633 934998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got an oracle to compress it all down to one bit, but then it went on strike so they couldn't get it uncompressed again < 1325597822 877201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but.... that's not really helping either. < 1325597894 200748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can store an arbitrary number of 'optimally compressed bytes' if I'm allowed to set the algorithm. < 1325597949 749254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i threw that comment in there about compression to show that its a kind of subjective argument < 1325597975 671600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, maybe each electron on earth can be used as a form of atomic ram < 1325597994 295269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bekensteiiiiiin < 1325598007 245326 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok.. to wiki i go < 1325598011 611931 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch me .. ho ho ho < 1325598016 62453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You'd almost think I knew something about quantum information theory.) < 1325598028 407072 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest assured i don't < 1325598251 822933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Look, it's just a normalization thing, for pseudo-meaningfulizing the comparisons between the years they do. One megabyte of disk space used for storing video in 2007 counts as storing 1 MB of "optimally compressed" bytes; but the same one megabyte of video in 2000 counts as storing 0.45 MB of "optimally compressed" bytes, because you could store the same amount of "information" in 0.45 MB in 2007. < 1325598261 154260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still pretty handwavy, I'm not denying that. < 1325598302 584294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense. < 1325598342 390852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue where they got all their numbers of how much storage capacity there is in the world, or what it's used for, though. < 1325598557 842437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NSA, of course < 1325598678 347664 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^21 bytes of youtube videos, facebook photos, B-rate porn, and raw astronomy data < 1325598687 302820 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We live in a glorious civilization. < 1325598710 608055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw astronomy porn, check < 1325598797 297613 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't google "Young slit experiment" < 1325598807 389400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1325599086 339027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that was a funny bug. We have this audio file reader which used to take as a parameter whether it's reading a .wav file or a raw data file; then it'd open with libsndfile and read. At some point, someone "improved" it so that it just tries to open it with libsndfile as "unknown format", and if that fails, uses it as a raw data file instead. < 1325599151 433339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that for one particular file, after one particular piece of processing, the raw audio file (which it was) happens to contain initial bytes that look enough like some random audio format to confuse libsndfile. < 1325599243 207388 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1325599395 651898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, in fact, Google (image search) it, and got http://www.askamathematician.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ammo.jpg as a result. I... don't know. < 1325599408 505764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The image is work-safe, in case someone is wondering.) < 1325599424 80848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, well, I don't know. Maybe if your employer hates kittens?) < 1325599437 172666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then it might not be.) < 1325599473 745896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's an illustration below where the blog-author calculates the de Broglie wavelength of a kitten. < 1325599521 750126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the blog posting is mostly about cat puns. < 1325599535 861784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- a “coherent cat beam” (a “cat-hode ray”, as it were) --" and so on. < 1325599744 728210 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1325600459 914815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've still got Taneb on ignore. < 1325600622 562570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something fishy here http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/01/02/nyheter/dyrenes_nyheter/innenriks/fiskedod/19632870/ < 1325600718 936138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dog is a fish hoarder. < 1325600732 682629 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1325601089 144911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1325601119 710774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Mac Lane says "such that the following diagrams commute:" and then has one of the diagrams consist of two objects with a single morphism between them. < 1325601168 98761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it commute if you can't do any commuting? < 1325601758 953307 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that the number of different brain states is an absurd thing to worry about :-D < 1325601821 191999 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, for the "absurd thing" and "worry about" and ":-D" < 1325601827 421933 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im being a bit troll < 1325602183 445006 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious questions about quantum states of human brains are.. < 1325602203 873888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are some states of human brains more valuable than others < 1325602253 815693 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all atoms really < 1325602322 64918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, states, in this case, mean quantum-mechanical states, not anything more abstract. < 1325602332 248546 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no lack of uniformity that i know of between the atoms in the brain and the atoms in the skull apart from the way they are structured into molecules < 1325602352 471936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of those states consist of soup. < 1325602391 336137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why the Bekenstein bound is not indicative of anything particularly useful, beyond a sardonic upper bound for data storage questions. < 1325602407 940891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1325602508 56205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's obviously useful for QM, but not for working out storage capacities. < 1325602586 593306 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the idea of viewing my thoughts as quantum states i guess is what i mean < 1325602662 837937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1325602717 14022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its almost like a religion < 1325602944 184845 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a religion where information is god :P < 1325602996 767399 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of information? physical structures < 1325603202 54767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not really motivated as an attack on science or on anyone.. just dealing with some stuff :P < 1325603221 291154 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying it out loud to you all < 1325603293 169167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, um < 1325603298 62447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes little sense. < 1325603331 195891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. well i am hopping afk for some asthma stuff < 1325603412 976451 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my problem is this :D < 1325603419 565276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asthma? < 1325603430 271035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to understand science and liberal arts at the same time < 1325603457 342221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most sensible people don't try to collide them < 1325604277 155055 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325604278 741389 :_Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-217-73.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325604309 790481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the asthma is my own fault since i hate using the proper medicine .. nevermind that < 1325604349 250496 :nooga!~nooga@c35-253.icpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1325604458 447506 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1325604557 461866 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoover: ok heres one way i can put it.. we humans spend a lot of time caring about other humans < 1325604615 479774 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we store information in our environments < 1325604755 819905 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm whats another way for me to randomly angst against science < 1325604778 936832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creationism? < 1325604868 463685 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the geek gradually gets fixed upon a path < 1325604889 329585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forging his mind into a weapon of geekdom < 1325604921 322836 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should concede that all people gradually "invest" their life in some direction or other < 1325604943 533948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it is important to realize that such investments are being made.. there is no perfect investment < 1325604950 604343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a game < 1325605603 725678 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for so morbid < 1325605628 104618 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1325605628 261569 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1325605657 742514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++......-....++.... < 1325605657 898593 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :------,,,,.... < 1325605825 638368 :MSleep!~fyrc@or-67-238-19-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1325605899 999761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325606840 215377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325607012 38709 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325608763 399834 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1325609348 14672 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1325609551 613578 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking a bit closer at this bekenstein thing.. < 1325609554 267846 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. < 1325609583 427924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mass next to another mass exerts a certain amount of gravity force on it < 1325609705 974237 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say, that modelling the static state of something is one question < 1325609734 717731 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but modelling the dynamic physical state of something probably requires modelling the totality of the universe acting upon it < 1325609757 335862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a guess < 1325609936 522094 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: welcome sir < 1325609942 965856 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome itidus21 < 1325609947 63004 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: < 1325609985 200713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty hackego for not patronizing me < 1325610057 294504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just typing rubbish as usual.. < 1325610058 723362 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well this depends on what exactly you're trying to model, and how sophisticated the computer system is on which you're modelling it. < 1325610131 12770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. well i guess what i mean is you can't cut and paste the universe < 1325610133 143097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, there's no need to measure the effects of the gravity of Mars and Jupitor on a soccer ball on Earth because the inverse square laws results in incredibly meager forces. < 1325610145 283630 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be values so close to 0 that your computer cannot represent them as anything other than 0 < 1325610165 344512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the two regions will act differently < 1325610173 541108 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on where they are in the universe < 1325610236 995387 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1325610265 978210 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325610266 350813 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1325610266 507232 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1325610280 660057 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. To be an accurate system you'd want your subset of the universe to be as closed as possible. < 1325610287 883255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. well i guess what i mean is you can't cut and paste the universe, since the distance between the 2 regions will have an effect on the behaviour of those regions < 1325610310 578796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for example, there's no need to measure the effects of the gravity of Mars and Jupitor on a soccer ball on Earth because the inverse square laws results in incredibly meager forces. < 1325610316 316885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jupitor. < 1325610319 415524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. if you cut and pasted a high mass piece of the universe next to itself.. each mass would have a strong effect on each other mass < 1325610331 728050 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what you've heard of Jupitor? crazy britons. < 1325610351 229794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you cut and pasted those same masses very far apart the effect would be less < 1325610369 797812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I shouldn't even entertain such notions with you. You've probably never heard of the inverse square laws.. < 1325610384 425465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meager forces add up < 1325610389 578818 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-D < 1325610418 598159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also subtract up in absolute terms since we're talking about vectors. < 1325610419 272060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure we do, they're the laws obeyed by the curve generated by inverting a square through a circle. < 1325610420 225419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: gravity travels at the speed of light. copy and paste your universe into a different reference frame moving away from the first at the speed of light and problem solved < 1325610449 266294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose its not "ok" to cut and paste regions of the universe < 1325610462 222672 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mathematical or physics sense even < 1325610472 753668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : itidus21: gravity travels at the speed of light. copy and paste your universe into a different reference frame moving away from the first at the speed of light and problem solved < 1325610477 192977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT < 1325610501 549507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1325610516 861677 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just trying to say that as everyone already knows, the universe can't model itself < 1325610531 335418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because im a newbie and i say such things < 1325610544 61230 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes you need a better clipboard to do that kind of stuff. < 1325610558 647267 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend one of those fancy external clipboard programs. < 1325610566 329830 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a lot of nice features. < 1325610578 324559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, *everything* affects gravity, not just matter. < 1325610633 502068 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: but what I'm saying is that if you calculate a value to be 0 because your computer lacks the precision to regard that value as anything other than zero, then adding a bunch of zeros together is not going to add up in any measurable sense. < 1325610642 433629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you going to tell me that two systems moving apart at the speed of light can have an effect on one another? < 1325610648 886858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : im just trying to say that as everyone already knows, the universe can't model itself < 1325610664 600819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're saying that self-interpreters are impossible? < 1325610691 821752 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1325610709 157642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its possible < 1325610725 967153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.crafts4kids.com/projects/images/solar-sys.jpg doomsday device. the universe will implode now. < 1325610744 248823 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should stop discussing these topics if i don't want to discuss them < 1325610834 433564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well just consider that it doesn't take the same amount of resources to accurate model a smaller scale version of the universe than it does to operate a full scale model. < 1325610842 887138 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it did, then yes, that would be impossible. < 1325610870 898867 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there might exist backups of the universe? :-s < 1325610886 521428 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the data is present, sure. < 1325610894 738917 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... no I doubt it. :P < 1325610926 218325 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that probably hits the backup infinite regression problem < 1325610934 120909 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needing backups of backups < 1325610961 752472 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the first backup is already a monumental task. < 1325610978 963477 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325610993 645800 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not the best thing for me at 4am either < 1325611002 361065 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're considering just the capability of such a thing and ignoring all practically, I would say that it's at least possible. < 1325611004 429495 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not going to help me relax < 1325611007 65979 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-014-213.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325611075 565803 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I think in terms of classical physics for the most part. I don't know much at all about quantum physics, so my intuition likely breaks down at that level. < 1325611088 200002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then it becomes a question, how precise of a model do you want? < 1325611111 236358 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to get girls probably < 1325611128 202037 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't imagine theres any other motive < 1325611150 128941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I'm afraid there may be no end to your goal in sight.. < 1325611166 700485 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :girls like cars and money. sorry. < 1325611175 2796 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd need a lot of money to simulate the universe though. < 1325611182 37262 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so indirectly, perhaps. < 1325611185 95181 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh tidus, what a wonderful universe simulation you have made" < 1325611193 690255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i think so" < 1325611234 682391 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could simulate women in lieu of actual women.. but.. I think I should probably abandon that path of discussion. < 1325611312 141104 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325611315 862092 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1325611324 540085 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is where the precision of your models really comes into play) < 1325611373 556961 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1325611394 723660 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The odds of me having seen elliott have increased mildly < 1325611434 92115 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the Scottish weather? < 1325611467 902656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write brainfuck on the public toilet walls < 1325611475 503156 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, due to me seeing someone I did not recognise but about my age at around the time when, according to the logs, "engree", whom I presume to be elliott, went to sleep < 1325611493 648144 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I'll write some lambda calculus < 1325611505 848880 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in hexham? < 1325611506 524968 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: yes that was elliott < 1325611513 153969 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, yes < 1325611528 241461 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, engree, or the person whom I saw < 1325611536 178032 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1325611536 495945 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: engree < 1325611538 243055 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1325611544 753292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is code as graffiti bad? :D < 1325611546 223982 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm psychic. :P < 1325611551 665524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how far such ideas have gone < 1325611560 763822 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I'd imagine not very < 1325611595 150323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :google images suggests "not very much" < 1325611653 824198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: anyway what makes you think that this random person your age that you saw after elliott went to sleep is elliott? < 1325611665 428025 :mr_schlauch!threeohthr@wololo.at.freebnc.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1325611713 161188 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, /at around the same time/ as elliott whent to sleep < 1325611740 771378 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said the odds of increased mildly, not OMG TOTALLYZ SEEN ELLIOTT LOL < 1325611746 404052 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1325611748 468253 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325611749 462695 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1325611752 25940 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1325611755 716165 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it. < 1325611758 771662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin' < 1325611764 688018 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://boingboing.net/2009/10/09/c-graffiti.html < 1325611784 457619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1325611785 887285 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/pAy4z.png < 1325611806 258553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ah I see you've found the zenith of the artform. < 1325611829 567491 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I told them I knew C because I am good with word and email so they hired me." looooool < 1325611838 856419 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see a declaration of ii though < 1325611852 702663 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it took them an entire 2 months to get fired. that's incredible. < 1325611857 630797 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i get it < 1325611861 124099 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its (;;) < 1325612055 410509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: amazing < 1325612055 768284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1325612130 296346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1325612130 613871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1325612134 197550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spOOky < 1325612375 751198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:56:13: come on, mc dropped retro the day it implemented smooth light < 1325612375 908589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:56:47: That was someone else's idea, though, and optional in any case. < 1325612376 65392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:57:00: well that stuff isn't around any more < 1325612376 65547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:57:29: Isn't it still toggleable? (I certainly haven't looked.) < 1325612377 376954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1325612386 350413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on-by-default, though. < 1325612460 599036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:05:48: I made up a big number, according to these functions of natural numbers, where ^ means exponent and ! means factorial and ; separates the definitions. < 1325612460 755662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:06:51: f(0,0) = 1; f(x,0) = x^f(x-1,k(x,x!)); f(x,y) = x!+k(y^f(x,0),y^f(x,y-1)) < 1325612460 755891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:07:24: k(x,0) = 2^h(x,0); k(x,y) = (x+y)^k((xy)^(xy),y-1) < 1325612460 755991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:07:54: h(0,0) = 1; h(x,0) = p(h(x-1,p(x))); h(x,y) = p(h(x,y-1)) < 1325612460 756090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:08:02: p(x) = x'th prime number; p(0)=1 < 1325612461 950769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:08:20: q(x,0) = f(x,0); q(x,y) = f(q(x,y-1),q(x,y-1)) < 1325612464 15159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:08:28: Big number = q(2,q(2,2)) < 1325612465 982197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:09:15: How large is it, what is its one's digit, what is its most significant digit, how does it compare to other big numbers, and etc? < 1325612468 969950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:10:36: Is it larger or smaller than: Skew's number, Moser's number, Graham's number, and XKCD's number? < 1325612472 29300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:10:59: Or even equal? < 1325612474 134290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am completely unqualified to answer this, but I really doubt it's as big as Graham's number. < 1325613077 845981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:34:41: ((?!foo).)* sounds like something that at least a commonly stupid regex engine would implement in the rather bad "check for a 'foo' substring at each position" way. < 1325613078 2346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:36:31: would the pearl regex engine implement that in the bad way? < 1325613078 2530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:36:33: *perl < 1325613078 2664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:36:39: -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). < 1325613078 2770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:36:40: b/c that's what mushclient uses < 1325613079 275473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:37:53: From what I've heard, it's not uncommonly smart. < 1325613081 378783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:52:30: Patashu: http://sprunge.us/fdXW -- well, that doesn't look excessively smart. Though I guess it's possible the debug mode inhibits some optimilizations. < 1325613091 581264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Patashu was almost certainly referring to PCRE... < 1325613110 211965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:11:17: pikhq: Well, this is none of those; this is under the xor of all those licenses. A term applies iff only a single license in the set has it. < 1325613110 407736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:11:30: that's not xor, xor means an odd number < 1325613110 407928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:11:59: it's addition (mod 2), after all < 1325613110 408097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right. < 1325613143 724996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:54:14: So is the weather in Hexham today Scotland? http://i.imgur.com/SWaD6.jpg < 1325613151 749089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The winds actually blew us over the border. < 1325613331 362212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I sort of thought it was maybe about PCRE, but since e just said "Perl"... < 1325613351 749124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embedding Perl's regexp engine in some software and then exposing it to Lua would be impressive. < 1325613387 378261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:58:06: Heh, that was a funny bug. We have this audio file reader which used to take as a parameter whether it's reading a .wav file or a raw data file; then it'd open with libsndfile and read. At some point, someone "improved" it so that it just tries to open it with libsndfile as "unknown format", and if that fails, uses it as a raw data file instead. < 1325613387 535286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:59:11: Turns out that for one particular file, after one particular piece of processing, the raw audio file (which it was) happens to contain initial bytes that look enough like some random audio format to confuse libsndfile. < 1325613395 997434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING OH THE LIFE OF A SPEECH RECOGNITION RESEARCHER < 1325613422 712200 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt like getting a grasp on zzo38's number < 1325613430 696881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently someone else had hit the bug too, and had added an override parameter back. But it still has the automagic logic if you don't specify anything. < 1325613432 614249 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's scary < 1325614071 373332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've clearly never heard of Graham's number. < 1325614586 737186 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and TREE(3). < 1325614933 3380 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-152-62.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325614933 285955 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-128.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1325614969 935751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pfffft, you've CLEARLY never heard of inaccessible cardinals! < 1325615398 223283 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325615469 629740 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1325615498 666849 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1325615500 113055 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I stop being away? < 1325615510 15691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be present < 1325615512 652441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or type /unaway or w/e < 1325615526 416293 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1325615526 735051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on irssi it's just /away with no arguments < 1325615534 7480 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on XChat < 1325615536 549027 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue. < 1325615575 406104 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, my intuition would suggest that have multiple processors does not increase the speed at which you can send packets over a network. < 1325615584 436345 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: IDEA! < 1325615584 754721 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1325615594 227421 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as your processor count increases your network adapter becomes a larger bottleneck. yes? < 1325615604 83483 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325615607 519030 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, a smaller bottleneck, I guess. < 1325615609 177526 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back! < 1325615619 59662 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric : on irssi it's just /away with no arguments < 1325615628 221313 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not irssi - that's the irc specification of AWAY < 1325615648 198038 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :some clients alias /back or /unaway to a /away with no arguments < 1325615650 119278 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. didn't know. I always prefix my IRC suggestions with "in irssi, it works like this" < 1325615656 689520 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat does the former < 1325616479 135967 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325616659 5440 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1325616824 163537 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur < 1325617352 931781 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone use a non-qwerty layout? < 1325617399 604179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325617422 743275 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1325617597 975032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use qwerty except I swapped t and y. < 1325617621 146844 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325617761 688147 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because qweryt sounds better? < 1325618093 585222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1325618425 46142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> appEndo $ mappend (Endo f) (Endo g) < 1325618425 998560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a) < 1325618426 155467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1325618427 628797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1325618429 339294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> appEndo $ mappend (Endo f) (Endo g) :: Expr < 1325618430 133726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `SimpleReflect.Expr' < 1325618430 290122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred ... < 1325618435 272058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1325618439 249592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> appEndo (mappend (Endo f) (Endo g)) x :: Expr < 1325618440 427080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (g x) < 1325618446 108887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (f >>> g) x < 1325618447 72224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `b' in the constraints: < 1325618447 229153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `SimpleReflect.FromExpr ... < 1325618448 381448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :knew it < 1325618547 334109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-152-62.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325618550 433710 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-214.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325618653 295063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325618687 126192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1325618704 515295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1325618791 143070 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325618857 607875 :premek!~premek@197-14-80-78.tmcz.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1325618966 601043 :premek!~premek@197-14-80-78.tmcz.cz PART :#esoteric < 1325619005 378848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-gb 10 < 1325619010 670523 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :herefine rol cha bourterminim ing katlanz eive diseuen karto inde < 1325619033 84784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bourterminim. < 1325619048 506466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Herefine sounds like an archaic word. < 1325619051 245102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Place name maybe. < 1325619070 543195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Should we stop here?" "Fine." < 1325619543 12181 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print map {$_, 'c' } "hello" < 1325619546 822104 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloc < 1325619552 60542 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bad < 1325620147 281075 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325620726 920084 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "h", uc " ", "i" < 1325620727 433989 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :h i < 1325620781 172357 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "h", uc undef, "i" < 1325620781 647760 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325620787 511575 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "h", uc undef // " ", "i" < 1325620787 987265 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325620791 359379 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1325620802 943416 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print "hello" < 1325620803 578505 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1325620808 582768 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first perl program < 1325621132 106796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:24:35: No, due to me seeing someone I did not recognise but about my age at around the time when, according to the logs, "engree", whom I presume to be elliott, went to sleep < 1325621135 316864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Wasn't me. < 1325621150 154794 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mystery solved < 1325621170 534344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Well, unless you peeked in my window or something. < 1325621193 712529 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's door < 1325621221 437420 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_"hi"; %t{uc}=ucfirst; print %t; < 1325621222 72996 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :String found where operator expected at /tmp/input.15666 line 1, near "$_"hi"" \.(Missing operator before "hi"?) \ syntax error at /tmp/input.15666 line 1, near "$_"hi"" \ syntax error at /tmp/input.15666 line 1, near "%t{uc" \ Execution of /tmp/input.15666 aborted due to compilation errors. < 1325621233 365127 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; %t{uc}=ucfirst; print %t; < 1325621234 40414 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.15724 line 1, near "%t{uc" \ Execution of /tmp/input.15724 aborted due to compilation errors. < 1325621238 406742 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; $t{uc}=ucfirst; print %t; < 1325621238 884066 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ucHi < 1325621265 762301 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; $t{&uc}=ucfirst; print %t; < 1325621266 278168 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined subroutine &main::uc called at /tmp/input.15851 line 1. < 1325621277 922128 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; $t{;uc}=ucfirst; print %t; < 1325621278 557803 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error at /tmp/input.15907 line 1, near "{;" \ syntax error at /tmp/input.15907 line 1, near "uc}" \ Execution of /tmp/input.15907 aborted due to compilation errors. < 1325621282 87895 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $_="hi"; $t{+uc}=ucfirst; print %t; < 1325621282 614804 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIHi < 1325621288 219111 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1325621340 807992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding unary plus to expressions to change their semantics is what Perl is all about. < 1325621420 290338 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325621552 631332 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1325621552 988992 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-4-250.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1325621553 146102 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1325621612 30513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.co.uk/coal-primer-William-Patrick-Rogers/dp/B0007302VM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top < 1325621615 403872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, should I buy this book? < 1325621644 693095 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1325621661 100827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's a little on the pricey side, don't you think? < 1325621666 154311 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1325621681 125786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if it's worth it! < 1325621793 736995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Thanks for your advice, but I think I'll go with http://www.amazon.co.uk/Landolt-B%C3%B6rnstein-Set-2011-Functional-Relationships/dp/3642201067/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325621737&sr=1-1 instead < 1325621799 597048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't trust third-party sellers < 1325621810 319922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The added £2.80 for delivery is a bit much. What, no Super Saver stuff? < 1325621813 909728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the 5% discount is nice. < 1325621852 358044 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl @x=1..5; print map{@x}@x #yeaaaaaaaah < 1325621852 748622 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234512345123451234512345 < 1325621882 567492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Paperback: 7190 pages". That's a big book. < 1325621891 431855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 15 volumes. < 1325621896 161724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This one has free delivery: http://www.amazon.co.uk/13CNMR-Organic-Compounds-SpecInfo-Wolfgang/dp/0471662410/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325621737&sr=1-2 < 1325621899 101477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's a CD-ROM. < 1325621906 716199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm just getting these from Phantom_Hoover, he's missing out bigtime on #esoteric karma. < 1325621921 404610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You little git! < 1325621927 155032 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I feel Perl is a little overzealous with the warnings. < 1325621944 697598 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it told me that a , in a qw could possibly be an attempt to seperate words with commas. < 1325621960 9043 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl qw( z x c v b n m , .) < 1325621960 486187 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1325621965 776419 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl use warnings; qw( z x c v b n m , .) < 1325621966 412786 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible attempt to separate words with commas at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516 line 1. \ Useless use of a constant in void context at /tmp/input.17516 < 1325621987 333229 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl use warnings; print qw( z x c v b n m , .); < 1325621988 199640 :EgoBot!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible attempt to separate words with commas at /tmp/input.17585 line 1. \ zxcvbnm,. < 1325622163 85431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1325622188 698530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50 < 1325622196 88933 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sertenchare pensici solvo gab ermin aft chapp nier serr liie capdlak neret anntracti uiier bertic misson supprompt soufe trabit sposusan urdla jai farmg dun sobrig cond peet sthophal gonomi koll paraflow nonum segm jex guh reque rez lay cabe nei aspecte aculin vouanth echlori idly luinzeigh know pitudie armoread mahart < 1325622212 221533 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :capdlak < 1325622219 998980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in sertenchare and capdlak | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325622245 530771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in sertenchare, pensici, solvo and capdlak | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325622264 722723 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot paraflow supprompt and armoread < 1325622265 226310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the world championship in sertenchare, pensici, solvo and capdlak | "Aft Chapp Nier Serr, Liee Neret Anntracti" | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1325622295 943191 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sthophal < 1325622299 916623 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys picked all the wrong words. < 1325622319 561234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahart is idly pitudie < 1325622516 710174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one could possibly deny that pensici, solvo, capdlak, sposusan and gonomi are supprompt game names < 1325622586 826882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SAID NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY DENY IT < 1325622596 350895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? sorry, i was off on a bertic misson < 1325622599 179306 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION denies it < 1325622604 574238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except quintopia. < 1325622700 45356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hand me the aculin, we have a rampant echlori infection here! < 1325622754 423041 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all 50 #we need crazier words < 1325622761 491274 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :placox eal heperoifersey misien cayu vicarne gesin comeca hirten crun eechr sig corrh lanzugenem pontedth hen divir con nephaltur johand hoff solousleisel fanwe unned pringay nyi gwaei parv daljave livaiin fayr sume costor mir refle sdoublival pana roxyfm dale cice chianartum makircusape shell forsac prestant estehilizata masca toria culuterphilig ehr < 1325622774 70985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the patient's segm is serring, we need more sthophal! < 1325622828 851661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like the patient has placox chianartum < 1325622927 438051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a livaiin nephaltur, stat! < 1325622959 169990 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard of that fancy new music website called roxyfm? < 1325623032 986991 :_Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-217-73.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah < 1325626742 638847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am completely unqualified to answer this, but I really doubt it's as big as Graham's number. <-- *MWAHAHAHA* < 1325626749 426634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1325626757 113545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i also doubt it, with even some qualification < 1325626784 337645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see logs) < 1325626815 561958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1325626841 50425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the "completely unqualified" part was just humbleness, I knew it was smaller when I realised it was just a bunch of nestings of ^ and ! :P < 1325626863 194455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _technically_ so is graham's number :P < 1325626887 859399 :iconmaster[3]!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325626929 24293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, but this doesn't apply the large numbers to the /control flow/ < 1325626981 867975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's another way of saying it has to be primitive recursive < 1325627077 587865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was not intended to be a precise assessment :P < 1325627106 437851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the functions is using itself to determine its recursion depth < 1325627120 352273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1325627149 101232 :iconmaster[3]!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325627160 563468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i guess that's it < 1325627190 579595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: what year did AttoASM first become public? 2011, or 2012? < 1325627257 496755 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325627284 484067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he linked to a video of it from 2011 iirc < 1325627289 859202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think he's just released the lang itself < 1325627318 910354 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew FINALLY connected: I came to the conclusion that my IRC client is shit. < 1325627346 802726 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get a bunch of wierd messages from me? < 1325627404 766757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: not that i noticed < 1325627417 98258 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, arbitarily picking your IRC client from the first item on Wikipedia's IRC Client List is not a good idea. < 1325627433 659634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don'ts ay < 1325627442 56778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dont's ay all day < 1325627459 214514 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My old client was Bersirc. Notic the alphabetic precedence.) < 1325627480 726218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIRC < 1325627497 600967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world's most reassuring irc client < 1325627539 542790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! welcome to #esoteric! hello! welcome to #esoteric! hello! wel < 1325627659 622946 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325627683 862960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome aboard! We know that some of you may be a little nervous about traveling on the world's first fully automated airplane, but we can assure you that there is nothing to worry about nothing to worry about nothing to worry about no < 1325627711 880797 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a bot that does this for us, fungot < 1325627712 197629 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: how do you keep doing that? women, do i? where is fraulein dr smith, the traitorous rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there's a rat! there < 1325627722 498327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325627723 608614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky < 1325627723 765071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: bravo! < 1325627723 927144 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, the boy, do i? the scorpion and a killer taipan possibilities. we could kill, not get killed, but there was a software glitch and you didn't die in reality! pteranowaffe! < 1325627734 795813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1325627734 955443 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs* jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1325627768 695056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :î thought iwc got a little repetititive at the end < 1325627771 609199 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1325627771 765479 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1325627776 338628 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1325627776 657419 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what if she never was, at the end you hear the truth, all these people accept amazingly lucky sods? and how many octaves do you really are some old pics, great everything < 1325627833 169150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, i haven't been keeping up with iwc reruns < 1325627840 479964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have the sunday annotations still been good < 1325627874 97515 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1325627876 358878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure < 1325627935 164532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't tell me youtube comments are less repetitive than iwc! < 1325627935 323830 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the accident report? i think mona is looking more and more!! its kinda scary at first but it was < 1325627958 92193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes that's scary < 1325627958 291433 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: boy, suuure looks like everything i hear it was manned. ignore him. < 1325627973 218435 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hugs < 1325627973 376711 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: yes. there were passengers and none of you. < 1325627981 304926 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I hate you :( < 1325627981 461230 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: this game. < 1325627989 15111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it seems youtube comments are a bit short < 1325627989 174373 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bad thing is it when the plane < 1325627994 188902 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functor < 1325627995 974809 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1325627997 443783 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1325627997 602801 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: looks ok. now be gone, troll. thats bad. < 1325628001 294993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1325628001 451400 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube* < 1325628047 591758 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1325628047 751538 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1325628051 638230 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you okey? < 1325628052 630609 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: the inhabitants of a given dimensional realm could survive entry to many unknown and incomprehensible realms of additional or indefinitely multiplied dimensions be they within or outside the given space-time continuum and that the vital parts of the < 1325628062 316142 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you... okey? < 1325628062 949945 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: our first whose exact fate we had never learned to drive should be ordering me about and taking the fnord a.m., while traversing a long, black line scarcely rising above the water yet carrying a suggestion of the fnord < 1325628078 854750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like off-key < 1325628099 736643 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hugs? < 1325628100 689564 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: my head is weak from thirst, suffocation, cardiac strain, and badly in need of charles's constant oversight. charles sent his best wishes, and of a quaint colonial village. the nurse used to stop and sit on carved benches of porphyry scanning the stars, necessarily vague as it was < 1325628252 366959 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1325628445 966685 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1325628476 176647 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, make sense :< < 1325628477 329442 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: i studied psychology systematically, and under all conditions, was fnord that my mind needed a rest. wish i dared to get help it might brace up my will power but everyone who would dare to come at all would call me crazy unless there happened to be some proof. couldnt ask people to come for no reason at all am all out of sight. this was the < 1325628486 767849 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1325628486 924282 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1325628491 329597 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you make sense now? < 1325628496 785699 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hello? < 1325628516 704460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank fucking god fungot has a message limit. < 1325628517 182235 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: his birthday is in a few minutes. wow he is so cool. two more large gizmos. it was once the island remained except the pony a begrudging pat, as gently in the horn fell off. dammit. < 1325628568 609281 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1325628582 266815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my earlier days, I cursed the message limit. < 1325628589 94303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I see it for the blessing it truly is. < 1325628589 413662 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1325628690 784746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t find < 1325628691 629773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Maybe a < 1325628749 673849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.:) < 1325628750 631792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *) (g :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor g) => (a -> b) -> f (g a) -> f (g b) < 1325628760 569284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1325628780 645237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy((>1).:gcd)[2..] < 1325628782 594076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101... < 1325628786 957240 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-148-6-216.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1325628819 389793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's caleskell, man < 1325628822 328320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) . (.) < 1325628823 121870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b (f1 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1) => (a -> b) -> f (f1 a) -> f (f1 b) < 1325628836 366902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.: is great < 1325628869 82458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) . (.) . (.) < 1325628869 875390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) (f1 :: * -> *) a b (f2 :: * -> *). (Functor f, Functor f1, Functor f2) => (a -> b) -> f (f1 (f2 a)) -> f (f1 (f2 b)) < 1325628880 144022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) < 1325628881 135420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *). (Functor f) => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1325628885 183513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just think of (.) as liftF < 1325628891 940915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're lifting into the nth depth of a stack of functors < 1325628896 333768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by composing liftFs < 1325628906 675765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.:.) < 1325628907 684938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `.:.' < 1325628921 326881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (..:) < 1325628922 346537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `..:' < 1325628982 174801 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325629062 262794 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty (.::) < 1325629063 111779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `.::' < 1325629074 840612 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (.::) = (.) . (.) .(.) < 1325629075 989902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1325629114 493313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Total Recall combinator. < 1325629280 297526 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like words/unwords and lines/unlines should have their names flipped. < 1325629317 697882 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like you're wrong. < 1325629333 664304 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also feel like lines/unlines and words/unwords are evil because they lose information. < 1325629340 886385 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure. < 1325629350 168036 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not perfect inverses, no. < 1325629360 122881 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're EVIL inverses. < 1325629366 679096 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you don't want that extra information, and if you do, you want to use something. < 1325629381 212399 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :something isn't evil because it doesn't fill the purpose you want it to. < 1325629384 26529 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a function onlines :: (String -> String) -> String -> String < 1325629399 66123 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is usually implemented as \f -> unlines . f . lines, which is wrong. < 1325629405 850771 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1325629445 573862 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325629452 795340 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still I think unlines makes more sense a function that splits a string by lines, removing the lines from the strings < 1325629464 582513 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines" gives you the lines in a string. < 1325629467 371952 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lines taking a list of strings and produce a single string of lines. < 1325629468 643349 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unlines" does the opposite of lines. < 1325629484 138143 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think more, like, declaratively, man. < 1325629486 676981 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you could do the exact same thing with the flipped meanings. < 1325629497 145092 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1325629516 660648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti's proposal is nonsense. < 1325629518 445827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines" gives you a list of strings as lines < 1325629518 922129 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott would like to explain. < 1325629520 229562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is completely right. < 1325629522 450853 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unlines" does the opposite of lines. < 1325629525 666964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is my explanation. < 1325629533 289436 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you going to Hac Boston? < 1325629536 740377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: "lines xs" is not the lines of xs. < 1325629539 639085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore the name is wrong. < 1325629555 210169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foldr f z xs" is the fold of (f,z) over xs, so the name is right. "succ x" is the successor of x, so the name is right. < 1325629563 328235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines s" is the lines of s, so the name is right. < 1325629564 923045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1325629626 55460 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IF foldr f z xs IS THE FOLD OF (f,z) OVER xs, WHY ISN'T IT CALLED foldr (f,z) xs??? < 1325629666 356238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was going to say "f and z" but then I decided to be a MATHEMATICIAN about it!!!!!! < 1325629676 297440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should use "of" as infix application syntax. < 1325629680 502262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allow spaces in function names. < 1325629690 548080 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325629693 336788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = the unlines of the lines of xs < 1325629698 200295 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :replicate of 3 of "hello" < 1325629754 477458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'll give this guy 5 minutes to accept my answer < 1325629777 569473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like how your "of" basically breaks down completely. < 1325629777 886768 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had this silly idea < 1325629782 265932 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of analogy < 1325629792 221736 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some Haskell functions are in fact verbs. < 1325629795 567566 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writingh an "auto-responder bot" < 1325629826 990216 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much when I'm away, there will be a shitty chatbot that talks when you mention it < 1325629837 126221 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess like fungot but less markov-y? < 1325629837 285769 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: is it < 1325629840 29062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations, you've invented fungot. < 1325629840 346593 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but, there are imps around, the pad. it's hard to remember though your cross-hairs would never settle on an innocent little girl. chokes up now imagine she's white. < 1325629847 753801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you got ninja'd < 1325629853 272683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: but, there are imps around, the pad. it's hard to remember though your cross-hairs would never settle on an innocent little girl. chokes up now imagine she's white. < 1325629853 590464 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: john, the uncarved minitablet. john carved this tablet at the request. it's just a wrapper for your private reading material later, you will play a game with a dead heir and witch < 1325629856 388061 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :794) elliott: but, there are imps around, the pad. it's hard to remember though your cross-hairs would never settle on an innocent little girl. chokes up now imagine she's white. < 1325629860 831530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a depraved individual. < 1325629861 28486 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so just to review, your schemes, convoluted. you are planning a heist in your underground hideout. implement nefarious as you might, you can't out troll me in these like < 1325629864 10844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is not a good fungot quote < 1325629864 169421 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of what??? now you've seen everything! weaky, is it really so much to the frustration of the suitor. < 1325629868 18992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: you should make it sentient like Strider's bot... < 1325629868 174772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1325629870 617237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1325629871 887025 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :735) i cnat eve begin to understand what you meant with that "one" < 1325629872 45749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1325629873 196136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1325629874 623303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1325629881 163649 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :461) elliott: You have become the very thing you fought for! < 1325629885 280776 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :448) pikhq, living in the future sucks. The past just keeps coming up to us and trying to make us feel guilty. < 1325629885 597766 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srider was an inspiration, so i'll try my hardest < 1325629906 759997 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it'll prolly just be a shitty chat-bot < 1325629927 725086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :chitty-chat bot < 1325629935 170522 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :674) It's missing the "bear scat showing a diet of prime numbers" picture. < 1325629935 338171 :HackEgo!foobar@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :490) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later nap in peace < 1325629946 723209 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this IRC library I'm using right now... It's not documented almost at all < 1325629966 604842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just write your own IRC code; the protocol is trivial. < 1325629970 668616 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to fix the example < 1325629973 320159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 735 the worst? < 1325629977 724129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only 4 have came < 1325629989 435349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are 5: 735 461 448 674 490 < 1325630004 545800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 5 quotes! < 1325630017 80016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. i like them all but 674 is prolly worst < 1325630026 529510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get 735 at all < 1325630033 855658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's Homestuck mode is the best. < 1325630034 54302 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so just to review, your schemes, convoluted. you are planning a heist in your underground hideout. implement nefarious as you might, you can't out troll me in these like little else, is still just that. a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually den < 1325630038 62136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :674 sounds like it might have a context < 1325630058 841377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I like the fungot styles other people seem to hate < 1325630058 999079 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not that it would actually bother pitying you. < 1325630065 27771 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so testing of my bot is at #iconbot < 1325630073 881378 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing there right now < 1325630094 540134 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "Homestuck"? < 1325630100 211962 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People keep talking about it on the Internet. < 1325630103 427388 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which probably emans it's bad. < 1325630106 124406 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is basically the best thing ever. < 1325630114 330851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very good, but the people who like it are terrible. < 1325630125 688976 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1325630131 931761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples: elliott, kallisti, Sgeo, iconmaster < 1325630148 714665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean any given set of people who like it will identify some subset of the others as terrible, and the intersection of these is nonempty. < 1325630170 634298 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I identify everybody as terrible. < 1325630179 82195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you're well on the way. < 1325630180 988410 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Homestuck. < 1325630257 310561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, keep it up and you'll be a top-flight Homestuck fan in no time. < 1325630274 48325 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks boring. < 1325630278 775123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, all you really need to do is accurately identify Homestuck references so you can hate the people who make them. < 1325630291 476265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Homestuck is a new diet and children's cartoon. < 1325630296 58636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kills bears for cash. < 1325630300 168093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :F- don't buy. < 1325630336 413805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Back me up on this. < 1325630349 366429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are true facts. < 1325630358 593453 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1325630369 152001 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this like a game where you can only press one button to go forward? < 1325630375 183387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1325630398 616281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Before Phantom_Hoover or someone jumps in, the actual games are just really complicated single buttons.) < 1325630399 608701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you have two buttons you can press to go forward? < 1325630403 456579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would just be stupid. < 1325630492 180766 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-014-213.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325630535 660348 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1325630603 455755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It makes sense if you eat bears. < 1325630705 122128 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325630728 958513 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So that you can fast or slow forward, I suppose. < 1325630729 670328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1325630739 929531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, here, watch http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004748 < 1325630744 109231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1325630744 796358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 9h 36m 38s ago: i think your number may be larger than Skewes's number but smaller than Moser's number, as afaict all your functions are still primitive recursive, so cannot get up to < 1325630744 958100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the approx. ackermann level. < 1325630745 454518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should make sense after that. < 1325630766 690735 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no audio. < 1325630786 256009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should still make sense without audio. < 1325630798 835461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But what about the voice acting lovingly done by 3-year-olds? < 1325630805 376395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Don't believe the bears. < 1325630812 864141 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-176-12-54.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325630815 125307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly vital to the plot, fortunately. < 1325630852 189599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they tell you. Then you're buying speakers and dealing drugs on the street. In the "ghetto" "hood". < 1325630856 542754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ghood". < 1325631127 202300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf < 1325631128 193109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are < 1325631130 951778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you still there < 1325631365 615499 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: [] < 1325631379 468546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make sense now? < 1325631386 896768 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really watch it. < 1325631397 982991 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1325631401 977659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, it's not much to ask. < 1325631441 538788 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1325631474 171574 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, it is. < 1325631492 352673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you would be SO ENLIGHTENED :( < 1325631720 649476 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show{-lol-}3 < 1325631721 640544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3" < 1325631784 175043 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of programming language tutorials tend to say something like "comments are ignored" < 1325631822 9767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be more accurate to say something like "comments can be thought of as a single space" < 1325631832 541669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (show)3 < 1325631833 600478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3" < 1325631838 153712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments aren't whitespace, they just separate tokens. < 1325631842 385280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except in C, where they actually are whitespace.0 < 1325631851 150334 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comments are defined as whitespace in the Haskell Report < 1325631877 659500 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets out his language lawyer SPECTACLES. < 1325631934 572472 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1325631993 26842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace -> whitestuff {whitestuff} < 1325631994 455748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitestuff -> whitechar | comment | ncomment < 1325632002 607701 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-128-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1325632043 298634 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racist. < 1325632155 665034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly all programming languages are racist. when did _you_ last see a pl which allowed blackspace? < 1325632173 55349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, african-americanspace < 1325632178 857171 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's why I invert the colours in my terminal. < 1325632191 455866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I can tell, it technically has to do with how the syntax of function application is not defined as whitespace. < 1325632219 454969 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325632246 715619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you're babbling again < 1325632285 685859 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :function application is just an adjacency of two of a particular set of tokens. < 1325632348 722035 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if function application were literally defined as whitespace, then (f)x would not be valid. < 1325632366 307780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you define something as whitespace? < 1325632379 598556 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by specifying what whitespace is, and then specifying that this thing involves whitespace. < 1325632382 653358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: more precisely, it's about separation of lexical analysis and parsing < 1325632389 850862 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1325632407 910350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where whitespace is thrown away before the latter < 1325632536 719462 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1325632685 688798 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :octal-> octit{octit} < 1325632701 920304 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1325632707 880783 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bye < 1325632718 472655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i was going to say it's octet, but that's something else < 1325632723 301819 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1325632747 275966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an octit is three bits, anyway < 1325632750 288564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: an octet is base-256 :P < 1325632766 550711 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the breasts of cephalopod mollusks obviously. < 1325632774 241388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a bintet is base-4 < 1325632778 995761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right. < 1325632783 516811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a base-8 digit is a tritet < 1325632787 880128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :base-(2^3) < 1325632814 748810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bitet methinks < 1325632834 41548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually i think octet is the same as the musical term, so it would be duet and trio < 1325632842 550170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1325632846 885566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1325632869 416745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duet, trio, quartet, quintet, sextet, septet, octet, nonet and dectet < 1325632875 210309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly duo? those have slightly different meanings < 1325632887 314431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last one is base-1024. perhaps not very useful < 1325632890 662822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am i confusing with norwegian again < 1325632892 395065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well ^ is a quote from wp < 1325632894 871860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so duet methinks < 1325632900 329462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1325632901 598821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duo is more informal i think < 1325632911 600945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duet ofc can refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duet as well < 1325633028 504570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh it seems i looked at that page at _precisely_ the moment wikipedia logged me out < 1325633052 416829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gave some strange layout error < 1325633101 418788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no < 1325633142 791142 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> deriv (\x -> cos x) (x :: Expr) < 1325633143 904882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 * negate (sin x) < 1325633169 764821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got confused by being brought to wiktionary when clicking duo < 1325633187 573394 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1325633194 872710 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :check this 3d fractal out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYsbFreUMkg&feature=g-all-lik&context=G27426daFAAAAAAAALAA < 1325633439 904276 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Number.Dif SimpleReflect> deriv cos (x :: Expr) < 1325633440 63564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 * negate a < 1325633441 559564 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.... < 1325633442 511189 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1325633512 698127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what < 1325633519 435126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1325633583 796008 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I can think of is maybe I broke something when I installed the latest version of GHC from source? < 1325633590 18853 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so far everything has been fine. < 1325633606 538541 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just reinstall numbers and it's still producing the same output. < 1325633613 911153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> deriv cos (x :: Expr) < 1325633614 901933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 * negate (sin x) < 1325633660 470549 :shachaf!~shachaf@ip24.67-202-82.static.steadfastdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By any chance did you define x = asin a? :-) < 1325633667 287767 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, no. < 1325633694 309262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> deriv cos (asin a :: Expr) < 1325633695 418283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 * negate (sin (asin a)) < 1325633695 734616 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cpe-74-79-18-174.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1325633715 182783 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect> x < 1325633715 341286 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1325633715 498379 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect> y < 1325633715 498581 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1325633715 498706 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect> cos x < 1325633717 648433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos x < 1325633720 172143 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1325633735 725866 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something is weird with Data.Number.Dif < 1325633765 404928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: did it use to work before? < 1325633772 600662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1325633772 920055 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1325633788 644776 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while since I've installed the new GHC < 1325633790 939127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dif thing hasn't been updated since 2009. < 1325633795 814720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no. < 1325633798 111231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that < 1325633808 427579 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's not quite what I meant. < 1325633830 431407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you implying it's a ghc bug < 1325633834 36954 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1325633848 29332 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I as implying that the error has something vaguely to do with that module < 1325633850 406532 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not SimpleReflect < 1325633852 466810 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two modules being used. < 1325633864 273637 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that they suddenly uploaded a new version and it broke. < 1325633879 25284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: so what happens if you do map (deriv cos) [0..] < 1325633890 28535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *sin < 1325633894 345468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no < 1325633896 780220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :**cos < 1325633912 332231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a lot of numbers in (-1,1) < 1325633920 655941 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1325633922 716822 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that. < 1325633925 968842 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a lot of numbers. :) < 1325633938 236701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (deriv cos) [0..] < 1325633939 345904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-0.0,-0.8414709848078965,-0.9092974268256817,-0.1411200080598672,0.7568024... < 1325633944 336003 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually yes < 1325633946 118356 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a lot of numbers in (-1,1) < 1325633956 627935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: but are they the same as abovE? < 1325633958 368954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e < 1325633972 962453 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1325633987 926763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it works for Double, but not simplereflect? < 1325634002 975387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it _is_ something to do with simplereflect as well < 1325634033 807556 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect Data.Number.Dif> deriv cos (0 :: Expr) < 1325634034 599962 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 * negate a < 1325634044 759583 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39 < oerjan> ok so it works for Double, but not simplereflect? < 1325634048 722740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that is an accurate statement < 1325634093 715903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it breaks because Expr does not provide a genuine group/ring < 1325634122 538056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : cos = lift (cycle [cos, negate . sin, negate . cos, sin]) < 1325634131 934884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift :: (Num a) => [a -> a] -> Dif a -> Dif a < 1325634132 93352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift (f : _) (C x) = C (f x) < 1325634132 285001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift (f : f') p@(D x x') = D (f x) (x' * lift f' p) < 1325634132 285112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift _ _ = error "lift" < 1325634145 719338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/numbers/2009.8.9/doc/html/src/Data-Number-Dif.html < 1325634226 888933 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect Data.Number.Dif> negate b < 1325634227 681689 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :negate a < 1325634229 307547 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1325634254 601561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude SimpleReflect Data.Number.Dif> negate (var "the queen of france") < 1325634254 795678 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :negate a < 1325634265 332002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> negate x < 1325634266 455042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : negate x < 1325634305 689284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 - x < 1325634306 681639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 - x < 1325634314 616436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to reinstall simplereflect < 1325634336 389053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : negate = withReduce $ fun "negate" `iOp` negate `dOp` negate < 1325634346 130782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks ok to me < 1325634356 401296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: where is your simplereflect from? < 1325634359 414266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a quote from the show package < 1325634367 261992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I figure that out... < 1325634374 584871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know, you installed it < 1325634378 112148 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling when I reinstall it, it will be fixed. < 1325634421 807914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t iOp < 1325634422 918892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `iOp' < 1325634626 351829 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that didn't fix it < 1325634630 198604 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's some relevant information: < 1325634631 624525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/bQQf < 1325634643 484527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1325634647 57540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~who knows~ < 1325634672 188208 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1325634674 605691 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :adam@maria:~$ ghci --version < 1325634674 763896 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 7.2.2 < 1325634680 577846 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line was missing < 1325634681 846707 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my paste < 1325634804 569365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1325634806 154185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1325634959 62007 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intExpr < 1325634960 12651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `intExpr' < 1325635003 776740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone with GHC 7.2 want to see if they can reproduce? < 1325635075 731191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: what do you get from negate (undefined :: Expr) ? < 1325635112 605157 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :negate a < 1325635116 843105 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically constant for anything < 1325635161 160622 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are some things I should have done before compiling and installing GHC? < 1325635168 24872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically just removed ghc via apt-get < 1325635183 644054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: which version of simplereflect was installed?