< 1327710318 243991 :Water2012!~Water2012@174-27-68-8.bois.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327710369 8953 :Water2012!~Water2012@174-27-68-8.bois.qwest.net PART :#esoteric < 1327711605 54233 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep < 1327711606 67501 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1327712570 216543 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327712605 743421 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327712803 457930 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1327713835 967198 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--dWhUHntf3Q/TyMUQ5jYZVI/AAAAAAAAFWs/ww6aBSXRQJk/s1600/wtf.jpg Because everyone wants to play as crappy boxart Megaman. < 1327713843 385278 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1327714670 89564 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327714799 589634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1327714858 890237 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1327716062 346882 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327716064 963501 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1327716787 337139 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1327716802 877195 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's oerjan < 1327716845 625390 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleeping. < 1327716919 558356 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1327716957 654898 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid timezones < 1327716966 717755 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come you're up at the mooment < 1327716976 864969 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 19:15. < 1327716990 746856 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day's barely started. < 1327716991 396855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1327717013 750023 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 3:16 here < 1327717016 331177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:16. < 1327717017 308320 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327717024 255335 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: +1 hour < 1327717045 993907 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't change the fact it's late < 1327717071 64731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just woke up, having "just rested a bit" around localtime-23; should "wake up" at 7- or 8-ish instead. < 1327717091 399110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This did not quite go as planned. < 1327717100 299409 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm drinking since 2200 < 1327717129 384463 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wife fell sleep and i'm still up < 1327717131 537529 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;f < 1327717155 497454 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1327717175 483349 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to write graph oriented database in ANSI C < 1327717304 949594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heeeey, it's *Saturday* "tomorrow". That's not a wake-up-early day. Aw, I's so confused. < 1327717338 545577 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphs graphs graph < 1327717345 932611 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say grafy grafy grafy < 1327717433 950598 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1327717472 19993 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327717682 332262 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1327717693 99379 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :klisz < 1327717717 608231 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :klisza means a photographic film in my language < 1327717761 894801 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net NICK :Klisz < 1327717786 609002 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :klisz klisz < 1327717812 794082 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your language"? do you refer to Polish, or are you a conlanger? < 1327717936 912942 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish ofc < 1327717969 328408 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I say... my native tongue < 1327718048 434376 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds klisza to Wiktionary, then, since what they currently only have 'film' as a translation of that < 1327718072 526815 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian also have this sz, but this is pronounced like s in here < 1327718092 66895 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, I forgot about Hungarian. < 1327718126 870748 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sz sounds like sh in English < 1327718140 478262 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kleesh < 1327718190 43230 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1327718205 741828 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird nick < 1327718283 859141 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My original name was "Darth Cliche"; I shortened that to "DCliche" when people kept making Star Wars-related jokes. I in turn changed to Klisz in response to people making jokes about the lack of an acute accent < 1327718284 100857 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga on the other hand.. < 1327718307 676282 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it like noga < 1327718316 184582 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it menas "a leg" < 1327718327 20073 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :means* < 1327718337 341824 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with longer o < 1327718352 444329 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the standard, english oo < 1327718367 382599 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naming yourself 'leeeeeg' is rather weird too ;p < 1327718371 282255 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :leeeg < 1327718375 129379 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1327718375 791735 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327718403 837306 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was pissed off because someone took my unregistered nick on IRC someday in 90's < 1327718419 255039 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :an the first thing i typed in was.. nooga < 1327718428 52968 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it stayed like this < 1327718437 222966 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1327718439 297210 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1327718440 986005 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :random < 1327718605 679240 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::F < 1327719094 845911 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1327719144 287891 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1327719161 276859 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've lost connection < 1327719323 433533 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1327719358 89826 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish Radio programme 3 broadcasts The Dark Side Of The Moon at the moment < 1327719362 407968 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :whole album < 1327719545 146803 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good album, at least. < 1327719847 434966 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1327719904 221012 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :any colour you like right now < 1327719947 616387 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite unusual for a public radio to play whole album < 1327719985 651334 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently i've bee to the australian pink floyd show in PoznaÅ„, Poland < 1327720011 623519 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and before that i was at the David Gilmour's concert in GdaÅ„sk Shipyard < 1327720038 328948 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they played 1.5 of PF and 1h of Gilmour's On An Island < 1327720053 691290 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely the best concert in my entire life < 1327720073 81627 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :been* < 1327720822 288431 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1327721747 931648 :nooga_!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1327721803 662836 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327723000 893022 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327723194 933184 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1327726986 382211 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-150-147.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327727699 243102 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what does localtime-23 mean? < 1327727777 979774 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm < 1327730231 93925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1327730273 473343 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What castles do you want to see? < 1327730312 501566 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327730411 702197 :DCliche!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1327730687 323369 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-141.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1327730689 611741 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-135.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327731249 443834 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: none really < 1327731271 276944 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why did you put it in the topic message? < 1327731314 211229 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh tell me why, do we build castles in the sky? < 1327732210 673097 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't < 1327732234 820366 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't answer for the crazies, you have to wait for them to wake up. < 1327733223 398283 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you build vampires in the sky here, too? < 1327733425 743590 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1327733474 833697 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEP, GLORIOUS SLEEP < 1327733508 142603 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange cards for Magic: the Gathering which I have written: < 1327733554 424230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| Gain 5 life if you have paid this spell's kicker cost. | Gain 5 life if you have played this spell for its madness cost. | Gain 5 life when you cycle this card. | (Note this card doesn't have kicker, madness, or cycle.) < 1327733614 350932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| Gain 2 life for each spell on the stack which has split-second. | (When will this have an effect? Perhaps see later...) < 1327733625 615836 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327733648 709080 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| Flash | Enchant spell | Enchanted spell has split-second. | (Possibly you can use this to force a block of spells to resolve at once, or to set up triggers, or something) < 1327733669 593493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| All permanents with substance are 2/2 creatures in addition to their other card types. | < 1327734088 708113 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| Whenever a permanent becomes untapped, put it at the bottom of its owner's library. | < 1327734153 289220 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| This has +5/+5 if this is a token. | < 1327734663 587389 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| At the end of the game, rewind to the point that this spell resolved, and the loser takes X damage. (Doesn't work if a player concedes) | < 1327734731 873911 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's madness? < 1327734735 79349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kicker < 1327734769 551342 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Kicker is an extra cost that may be played when you play the spell card. If you do, then the spell is "kicked" by that instance of the kicker ability. < 1327734815 701994 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madness means if that card is discarded from your hand, you may play the madness cost. If you do, it is exiled and then placed on the stack as if you have played that card. < 1327734830 887144 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't give you the ability to discard that card, however.) < 1327734890 459738 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait do you have deck and stack, you take cards from deck normally and throw dead things in the stack? or what are these things called < 1327734921 413769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suppose you implied discards don't go in the stack < 1327734925 321338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack is when spells and abilities wait to resolve, they are placed in a stack. When it is time for one to resolve, the last one is popped from the stack and resolves. < 1327734930 98038 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh- < 1327734940 542216 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean oh. < 1327734944 902404 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then it is either put into play or in the discard pile, depending on the card) < 1327734994 512107 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'm getting it. < 1327735812 340632 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made some cards that do strange things with the rules. Such as a card with the type "Instant Land" which remains in your hand when played, a card that skips the cleanup step, a variant of Wrath of God that doesn't actually destroy anything but works anyways because they become planeswalkers without counters, a card that phases out but when it tries to phase back in, it can't because it is an instant... < 1327735820 264759 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these things no longer work with the new rules, however. < 1327735854 12961 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made various cards that only work in one version of the rules and have completely different effects in other versions. < 1327735941 880834 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do it by saying "in version x, this card ...; in version y, this card doesn't ...", or did you do something insanely clever < 1327735976 156330 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No. I did something else; it wasn't even intended to work differently in different versions of the rules. < 1327735988 137272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1327736035 168261 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them invoke combinations of rules in ways which are not meant to be used in that way. < 1327736131 992883 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The one that phases out and then fails to phase back in, will still phase back in in the new rules. In the old rules, which were current at the time I wrote that card, the card would in fact, fail to phase in after it has phased out.) < 1327736519 342035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Phasing. When this card enters play, it becomes an instant in addition to its other types." < 1327736682 446068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made one card that causes state-based effects to stop working temporarily. < 1327736847 170371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made some cards that have an ability with "lose priority" as part of their cost or effect. < 1327736917 508655 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you understand how my card fails to phase back in in one version of the rules but succeeds in another version? < 1327737134 677886 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there are slight changes in definition of mana abilities, or other rules that might affect that, that causes some of my effects to work differently in different versions of the rules < 1327737435 89527 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some cards that fail to do anything useful at all unless you have many other cards affecting certain rules and other things < 1327737851 950392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a card named "Dignity" costing {B} with the effect "You lose the game." I can actually think of uses for such a card (and I don't mean copying it onto your opponent). < 1327738251 142078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1327738969 141081 :nooga_!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1327739307 804659 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What uses? < 1327739317 136502 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327739408 472719 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1327740189 67896 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327740201 346596 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Client Quit < 1327740300 12765 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1327740676 796066 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327740742 848944 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327741273 453451 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327741296 983368 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327741362 994963 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327741371 991812 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327741430 960947 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1327744261 843220 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327744985 165303 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are rings called rings. < 1327745143 239312 :_Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-162-123.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to Harvey Cohn, Hilbert used the term for a specific ring that had the property of "circling directly back" to an element of itself" < 1327745292 83363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's not very exciting... < 1327745336 346490 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks number theory is something that would be interesting. < 1327745357 584748 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm particularly interested in the Riemann hypothesis. < 1327745577 130211 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what's a program I can use to convert an svg to a raster file. < 1327746256 754299 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-160-109-116.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1327746482 330713 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :librsvg2-bin. Inkscape. ImageMagick. GraphicsMagick. Gimp. < 1327746504 76024 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outsource it to be done manually by cheap labor. < 1327746747 810699 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a passage in the bible where the people were all supposed to kill themselves and formed a ring, and counted off and then each stabbed himself or something < 1327746774 744538 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one christian guy told the other christians to stand in specific places so that at some point all that is left are christians < 1327746785 927835 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used ring theory to save 'em < 1327746794 89136 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that where the name ring comes from < 1327746811 490540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misparsed that as "I'm particularly interested in the Riemann hypothesis. Uh, which is a problem I can use to convert an svg to a raster file." Sounded... dubious. < 1327746833 231000 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, fuck off. < 1327746850 426046 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: u < 1327746852 442587 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* kallisti thinks number theory is something that would be interesting. < 1327746852 653986 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm particularly interested in the Riemann hypothesis. < 1327746862 344239 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Riemann hypothesis isn't number theory. < 1327746867 373736 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complex analysis IIRC. < 1327746880 29862 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't complex analysis part of number theory? < 1327746884 59328 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably know < 1327746896 405245 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not number theory as it's commonly taken to be. < 1327746921 384440 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the algebraic properties of N (or sometimes Z?) < 1327746934 533315 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you totally forgot N_p < 1327746949 197466 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex analysis is usually taken in parallel with differential equations and before control theory < 1327746949 359619 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, fuck off. < 1327746952 933553 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: u < 1327747002 912529 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: from what i gather there's some mention of holomorphic functions in the NT course, but i wasn't into it so i don't remember < 1327747015 494004 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus our NT guy was some wackjob from max planck institut < 1327747021 94232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riemann ζ has got that prime thing going for it, which might count. < 1327747062 680130 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has important ties to number theory, and IIRC you can reformulate it purely number theoretically, but the RH itself is complex analysis. < 1327747209 173060 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance an acquaintance of mine who says she studies analytic number theory actually mostly works with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maass_form which look very complex analysisy < 1327747339 246872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex analysis must be really useful for control theory < 1327747397 156699 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not your dad's number theory, that guy's probably at least level 40 < 1327747421 798412 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is, he's probably researching some narrow, advanced field < 1327747439 817432 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by dad do you mean my acquaintance? < 1327747500 739476 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my dads math skills are slightly below the average high school graduate. < 1327747507 92228 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...'s < 1327747527 574608 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not your dad's" is a jocular way of saying "advanced" < 1327747542 966960 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, "those aren't your dad's microscopes" < 1327747597 962429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed that < 1327747604 526921 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes from the fact that kids, while growing up, would often get tools that are pass-me-downs from their father's or grandfather's time at the same age, usually much less precise instruments than are available at the time < 1327747621 799969 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1327747629 506016 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to study number theory? < 1327747660 699273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm going in a different direction. < 1327747669 764029 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what direction? < 1327747685 13742 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamical systems, symbolic dynamics, cellular automata < 1327747692 88268 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the middle one < 1327747757 200500 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ever used for computer graphics < 1327747787 747357 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1327747799 958613 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by computer scientists, perhaps < 1327747916 927127 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just create dynamical systems by taking a subshift and running a CA on it and look at dynamics or other things < 1327747931 798045 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I caused a huge hair-splitting conversation. < 1327748037 162984 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just looked up "fascism" to check the word origin, and i got a context ad for an Italian language course < 1327748064 986985 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn Italian in Italy < 1327748353 89792 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1327748355 277202 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman < 1327748372 175231 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is worse these days :( < 1327748413 730158 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i saw an introduction to symbolic dynamics which says "Imagine a point following some trajectory in a space. Partition the space into finitely many pieces, each labeled by a different symbol. We obtain a symbolic trajectory by writing down the sequence of symbols corresponding to the successive partition elements visited by the point in its orbit." < 1327748427 97791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a motivation < 1327748427 259438 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: this very much looks like sampling < 1327748434 210016 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1327748441 54675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellll perhaps < 1327748493 288043 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, do you only consider this "sampling" at an "infinite rate" (i.e. every time the partition changes you get a new symbol) or do you also consider situations where this rate is limited? < 1327748513 41925 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway i haven't even applied symbolic dynamics to dynamical systems in general, i just solve fun problems of my own creation (and occasionally open ones when i find an interesting one). < 1327748517 630364 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1327748523 503130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what we actually do is < 1327748543 397881 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we take a dynamical system, so a compact metric (or just hausdorff) space < 1327748564 629106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we take a Z-action (or sometimes an N-action) on it < 1327748603 195943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what we do is we can put a topological partition on the space < 1327748607 413030 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see Morse and Shannon being mentioned in this paper < 1327748620 246409 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, go on < 1327748631 380806 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that we have a finite disjoint union of open sets such that their union is dense < 1327748747 231841 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, for "almost every" point, there's a unique sequence of open sets which it goes through, that is, for all almost all x in your dynamical system, there's a sequence (s_i)_i such that T^i(x) is in U_i for all i < 1327748781 791914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, almost all obviously means residual < 1327748799 976871 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :define residual < 1327748814 245526 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean measure 0? < 1327748815 575998 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a countable union of complements of open dense sets < 1327748816 392366 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1327748828 881767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it was obvious < 1327748840 191164 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exactly coincided with the definition < 1327748853 213708 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :define residual < 1327748881 563609 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a residual set is a set A that you can represent as a a countable union of complements of open dense sets? < 1327748884 366527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1327748925 731737 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those "almost all x" define a residual set? < 1327748932 459884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1327748943 44277 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah almost all obviously means complement of residual :D < 1327748951 624279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i now understand your confusion. < 1327748977 223706 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :residual sets are "small" < 1327748985 373398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in topology < 1327748998 256404 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize that, i was just wondering what you're being so smug about < 1327749002 700252 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it made no sense < 1327749013 691035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was i being smug? < 1327749016 471409 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyways what do you need this Z-action for? < 1327749031 135877 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the obviously. yeah i just meant it was exactly the definition < 1327749056 943880 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it to define the topology? < 1327749090 962495 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's to get a dynamical system, topological spaces are a bit boring without an action. < 1327749114 274010 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't know < 1327749132 7331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the point is we just start with a space and a Z-action < 1327749136 270787 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't ask why < 1327749160 88501 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did a lot of interesting stuff in topology in university without the notion of an action, mostly weird shit related to metric spaces < 1327749183 398046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i personally just love general topology, but i've been told soooo many times that no one does that anymore so i shouldn't either < 1327749198 220261 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they do < 1327749210 59476 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauge integrals are hot shit right now < 1327749218 994844 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1327749239 966049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course they do, and in fact symbolic dynamics is way less known than general topology. in fact no one knows what it is like ever. < 1327749248 479534 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've obviously been tricked into doing whatever the person wanted you to do instead of marvellous general topology < 1327749255 779961 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1327749281 676657 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the person wanted me to do whatever i like in a different field from his with a different supervisor, then he has been successful < 1327749299 961202 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he was corrupt < 1327749320 415291 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for advising you this way, he received better chalk for his lab < 1327749323 570881 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauge integrals do not at all sound like general topology < 1327749327 23056 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen that happen < 1327749328 473078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1327749332 528380 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds likely < 1327749338 745080 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA! < 1327749368 9198 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow i wasn't finished < 1327749388 980877 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's more < 1327749389 559167 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1327749397 874940 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now for many many x (and in particular at least one...) we get some sequence of symbols, indexed by whatever our action was by < 1327749398 483562 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what would such a Z-action look like < 1327749402 196814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say S^\Z < 1327749418 992489 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's \Z? < 1327749419 348258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for instance multiplication by 2 in [0, 1) < 1327749424 185803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry that's integers < 1327749433 507237 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1327749435 21448 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1327749444 307753 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my latex notation has gotten stuck < 1327749453 165371 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good enough < 1327749462 524972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to use \mathbb{Z} < 1327749464 653285 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so is this Z-action badly defined? < 1327749477 449414 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, 0.5 * 2 = 1 which is not in the integral < 1327749480 139147 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it modulo 1? < 1327749482 332977 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's completely defined in the space X of the dynamical system < 1327749491 418130 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D731.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327749503 377836 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say our space is S^1 < 1327749506 14261 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure modulo 1. i was gonna say torus at first but then i didn't know what you understand by that. < 1327749507 143538 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1327749512 61346 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we define our action to be S^ZZ < 1327749526 175909 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, btw, how you write integers if you can't be fucked :D < 1327749526 965641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellllll < 1327749548 461590 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then our action just makes the points map to the antipode, right? < 1327749553 620752 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hm < 1327749556 203755 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't < 1327749562 213206 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ok < 1327749569 6459 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, i got the hang of it and have a mental picture < 1327749570 243434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Product < 1327749570 568885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude product :: Num a => [a] -> a < 1327749570 742883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List product :: Num a => [a] -> a < 1327749570 904934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid Product :: a -> Product a < 1327749571 67199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the action can't really be S^ZZ, the action is a function from X to X. say multiplication by 2 < 1327749580 64911 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 :: Product 2 < 1327749580 950443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Only unit numeric type pattern is valid < 1327749590 204405 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1327749592 256731 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 :: Product Int < 1327749593 260693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (Data.Monoid.Product GHC.Types.Int)) < 1327749593 422518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arisin... < 1327749599 811271 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the "multiplication by 2" happens on the parametrization of S to [0, 1) obviously < 1327749627 74445 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call the action "multiplication of complex argument by 2" or something < 1327749639 478884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if Sum and Product had Num instances, if only for the integer overloading. < 1327749646 651373 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too is a Z-action, right? < 1327749658 793567 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well on what space? < 1327749664 625172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see we usually want a compact one < 1327749676 979855 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"multiplication of complex argument by 2" on S^2 < 1327749679 513644 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1327749681 616766 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who's a boss? < 1327749681 807636 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on S^1 < 1327749687 726670 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grigori Perelman. < 1327749691 362542 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1327749703 610205 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's valid, right? < 1327749725 879712 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well multiplication by 2, doesn't that just multiply the length by 2 and take it outside S^1? < 1327749729 219920 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean by that < 1327749742 794859 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed the "of the argument" < 1327749747 806014 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arg(z) < 1327749771 88669 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1327749779 178420 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1327749779 340260 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1327749799 577328 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe it looked like "argument of a function" but it meant "argument of the number" :D < 1327749809 853599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: argh, i just realized residual is a countable intersection of dense open sets. you should always take the concept and its negation and guess which makes more sense because i just usually think of them as the same concept. < 1327749841 395946 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah as you may be able to tell, i'm not always that great with terminology. < 1327749841 558435 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're isomorphic modulo sign of the truth function < 1327749848 459781 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1327749849 306378 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1327749867 411601 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ummmmmmmmmmmm < 1327749871 234448 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you understand this function i have defined < 1327749882 668273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if argument is angle then yes < 1327749925 457834 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just multiplying by a different number essentially < 1327749932 692656 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cologic, monads are just endofunctors of categories in the monoid. < 1327749952 895772 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also perhaps Soviet Russia) < 1327749984 114024 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1327749991 48465 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no in fact it's not multiplying by a different number, it's multiplying by *the same* number < 1327749999 577403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: in any case we have a partially defined itinerary function from X to S^ZZ. the image of this gives us a so-called subshift (what i research) in S^ZZ, that is, a closed and shift-invariant subset. < 1327750041 457367 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say my X is this S^1 as i have defined < 1327750052 521762 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1327750053 487628 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the action is this multiplication of the angle < 1327750062 642485 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the function from X to S^ZZ look like? < 1327750079 371486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we have to choose a partition < 1327750091 351764 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say the partition is something like.. < 1327750100 685320 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom claims to be exclusive or, but I know she's really biconditional. < 1327750101 784144 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZING < 1327750106 297048 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on a role < 1327750107 410609 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say it's given by the 10th roots of unity < 1327750114 75201 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I'm going to go to sleep, in order to celebrate. < 1327750118 55745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: nite < 1327750125 865892 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1327750126 27769 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1327750126 505811 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   | < 1327750126 667882 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /<   |\ /|      |      >\ /´\  >\     |      |\ /'\ /´\ < 1327750126 668055 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             (_|¯'¯|_)                /'\ < 1327750126 668162 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                    (_| |_) < 1327750141 776545 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: can we use 2nd roots of unity :D < 1327750152 895227 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but we can use 4th < 1327750158 293532 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, -1, i, -i < 1327750162 406377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1327750163 272551 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1327750168 701874 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only this once < 1327750171 692427 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-160-109-116.eurotel.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1327750220 321875 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what the map to S^ZZ would do (S = {1, -1, i, -i}, say, and symbol a means the interval starting after a) < 1327750269 35548 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is take the two directional orbit, and give the sequence of which quarters your point is < 1327750277 959630 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually not sure this particular one can be 2-directional < 1327750283 132696 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so this S was not short for "sphere"? < 1327750293 8102 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is the set of indices of partitions yes? < 1327750293 191259 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh no xD < 1327750300 17162 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1327750322 247813 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we always call it S because the more standard \Sigma is annoying to type < 1327750359 874660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1327750392 19027 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would've been useful had you brought this up that it's normally \Sigma < 1327750406 481760 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take the real 0.000001 in [0, 1) (so just above 1 along complex unit ball) < 1327750415 100557 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because \Sigma is normally used for finite or countable sets < 1327750427 499944 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i did mention that the partition is always finite. < 1327750429 437451 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i take the real < 1327750432 850499 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's next < 1327750443 427242 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the "1" partition right? < 1327750444 371771 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just take 0.0^n1 for a large n < 1327750486 503559 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the itinerary should look something like .11111111... for some time ...111i and then maybe -i directly dunno < 1327750488 180722 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-134-193.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1327750490 979219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1327750493 212910 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1327750503 251407 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess that was your action < 1327750531 657441 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of RR/ZZ, what was your action again? < 1327750536 234969 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this somehow related to p-adic numbers < 1327750538 703529 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i didn't actually get it, i just wanted to keep talking < 1327750549 448558 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *never* say RR < 1327750558 645532 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do |R ! :D < 1327750589 450241 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are interesting connections but sofar this is just a way to get from topological dynamical systems to symbolic ones. < 1327750590 230899 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, um, the action was you take a point on the unit circle on the complex plane < 1327750596 943370 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you multiply its angle by 2 < 1327750597 105502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhmm < 1327750601 316282 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's your action < 1327750623 602190 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so it's just multiplication by 2 < 1327750630 174944 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on RR/ZZ < 1327750639 312025 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i prefer < 1327750640 988821 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1327750684 513439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so in that case, you would get some 1's and then a -1, then i guess -i and then no one knows. < 1327750699 223740 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we'd get some 1's < 1327750701 487402 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um < 1327750706 868209 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then probably an I < 1327750708 161814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the map to S^NN is injective here < 1327750716 814112 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then probably a -i < 1327750722 610245 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where defined < 1327750737 615316 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are we using the naturals now < 1327750744 347359 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaah when i said -1 i meant i. < 1327750744 573678 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not whole numbers < 1327750755 869914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't know if this was reversible because i didn't understand your action < 1327750762 276973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it's reversible < 1327750784 764682 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reverse is *drumroll* division by 2) < 1327750788 725103 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1327750792 3992 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a retard :D < 1327750802 6194 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really reversible < 1327750805 369816 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it is < 1327750807 253289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1327750829 220554 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it's not reversible what happens? < 1327750845 101698 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you usually just take an NN action. < 1327750848 70530 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it important whether it is or is not reversible? < 1327750850 272167 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1327750857 467221 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's first use a reversible one < 1327750867 10656 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say "adding 0.1 in R/ZZ" < 1327750880 855273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's better < 1327750892 359182 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, that's kind of a trivial dynamical system < 1327750900 191509 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 0.1 is rational < 1327750903 18190 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1327750907 320562 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's do 0.pi < 1327750911 981581 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P yeah < 1327750921 944366 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just pi/10 < 1327750968 217491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if you say partition at the middle, you get some crazy subset of S^ZZ, and the original system can be to some extent studied by using the subset of S^ZZ. i don't really know how :D. < 1327750969 259353 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we've got our intervals defined at 0, 0.25, 0.5, 0.75 < 1327750988 501010 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which correspond to 1, i, -1, -i < 1327750996 610463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know any properties of pi that would let me investigate this further than "stuff happens!". < 1327751005 210081 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1327751007 444325 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait < 1327751021 621381 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if our Z action is this "add pi/10" < 1327751033 648984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1327751034 345518 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the function from X to S^ZZ look like < 1327751038 747229 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a recording < 1327751046 540372 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of what a specific point does? < 1327751056 775817 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a .... sampled signal? < 1327751071 148750 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why multiplying by 2 is nice i guess, you get exactly the binary representation < 1327751081 133318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got sidetracked and i forgot i was doing that < 1327751081 939487 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you? < 1327751089 717209 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really cool < 1327751116 759131 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well multiplying by 1 is shifting by 1 < 1327751119 45941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm < 1327751126 288511 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1327751132 733161 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made no sense < 1327751134 216047 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shifting the binary representation < 1327751139 391886 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1327751139 969393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1327751141 342573 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :afjöaiowjfoiawejfoiwj < 1327751142 158219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :öoiwaejfoöiawejfoiaweoj < 1327751143 807867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckfuckfuck < 1327751147 22592 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplying by 2 < 1327751157 914387 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you < 1327751158 924349 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure? < 1327751162 831390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1327751165 911360 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm pretty sure. < 1327751177 243444 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0011101 * 2 = 10.011101 < 1327751180 868814 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still ask the audience or call a friend < 1327751181 277325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1327751189 188042 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i called a friend < 1327751192 759821 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaanywho < 1327751195 797005 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did he say < 1327751201 762925 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"narf" < 1327751201 924578 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's oerjan, nothing yet. < 1327751205 275205 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1327751215 14413 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't tell him anything! < 1327751219 544971 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow so now the first bit of the number can be detected by the partition < 1327751242 310547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1327751243 464834 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if it starts with 1, then it's in the top half (degenerate points like 0.011111111... aren't a problem since those don't fall in either partition element) < 1327751263 559082 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@ip-85-160-70-93.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1327751284 567219 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1327751289 540171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so our open sets are (0,0.5) and (0.5,1) < 1327751292 73348 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best ever way to reason about fractions < 1327751299 739463 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work for decimal fractions too? < 1327751302 878918 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1327751309 330660 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-134-193.eurotel.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1327751322 48357 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@ip-85-160-70-93.eurotel.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1327751325 974916 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1327751349 833030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all of this stuff gets way more interesting when you have more dimensions and know stuff about matrices. i can't really say much about that without a reference. < 1327751351 251321 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can take a number in [0, 1), define some partitions, keep multiplying that number by 10, and i get the decimal representation? < 1327751363 406685 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i can see how that works < 1327751377 30083 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the partition is not (0, 0.1) etc < 1327751384 960932 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not? < 1327751387 919487 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it then? < 1327751391 222416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdflkasfjklsdjalf < 1327751393 150222 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW < 1327751393 795267 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW < 1327751394 437716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW < 1327751395 49633 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW < 1327751403 817280 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1327751406 875196 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to stop living for now okay < 1327751412 522120 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k np < 1327751419 670599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not working today < 1327751428 29044 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now? < 1327751431 822296 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is now working today? < 1327751435 319197 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to the shoppe, buying a thing, and enjoying it. < 1327751443 80955 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :njoy < 1327751443 383334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1327751445 719943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are mean < 1327751446 216820 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1327751448 265965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mean < 1327751452 276912 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :average? < 1327751454 983614 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1327751457 743595 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1327751469 628951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I just woke up, having "just rested a bit" around localtime-23; should "wake up" at 7- or 8-ish instead. <-- wait, you are supposed to be the one person in the channel with a normal sleeping schedule... < 1327751473 59701 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1327751488 96530 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i wondered about that oo < 1327751488 276109 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: thx for letting me know about those symbolic thingies < 1327751491 539843 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really cute < 1327751493 727025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have, it was just a mishap. < 1327751515 64832 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: maybe someday i'll talk to you about the actual symbolic thingies themselves which i actually know something about, this is just their motivation < 1327751527 897001 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1327751529 629411 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tell me < 1327751537 333007 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the actual symbolic thingies themselves? < 1327751540 291248 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like formal language theory ON CRACK < 1327751552 590985 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need multiple dimensions < 1327751556 604087 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :subshifts, that is, closed shift-invariant subsets of S^ZZ < 1327751564 163061 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a shift < 1327751574 659961 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple dimensions are nice so that linear maps give more interesting dynamics < 1327751587 751855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift means you take the point and shift the indices to the right < 1327751589 138902 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1327751600 231415 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift(x)_i = x_{i+1} < 1327751616 473353 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean shift(x_i) ? < 1327751624 364456 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no x_i is a symbol < 1327751641 718876 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't shift a symbol, you shift a "point", that is, an element of S^ZZ < 1327751645 256904 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does shift(x)_i mean? < 1327751653 83243 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ith coordinate of the shift of x < 1327751659 632317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is a point < 1327751665 421267 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1327751669 718889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means shifting the whole point to the left < 1327751677 523836 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1327751678 279021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you think of it as an infinite sequence < 1327751678 825801 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1327751688 708812 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0, 1, 2] -> [2, 0, 1] ? < 1327751721 505102 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no rotation since these are infinite. and i'm not sure you shifted in the right direction. < 1327751722 744329 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so < 1327751742 60697 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes ok right < 1327751754 707420 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point ...01001011.0111... where . denotes where index 0 is, would shift to ...010010110.111... < 1327751765 341951 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 12345... -> 2345... < 1327751777 448054 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh right < 1327751777 889417 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. for a one-directional sequence < 1327751783 978217 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always do two-directional < 1327751788 65915 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's cooler < 1327751790 723408 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those have indices in Z? < 1327751796 33954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1327751806 580928 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i feel like zorro < 1327751813 83844 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i index < 1327751821 857970 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sooooo < 1327751841 595553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the shift part, do you know what shift-invariant means? < 1327751845 699440 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean can you guess < 1327751860 762288 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an S^ZZ which is {0, 1} we have only a few subshifts right? < 1327751883 940578 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is {0, 1}. S^ZZ is every sequence of 0's and 1's. < 1327751884 814181 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...0.0... and ...1.1... ? < 1327751885 769810 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@ip-85-160-70-93.eurotel.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1327751895 683630 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right yes < 1327751898 956466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 0101011101011110101000010101011 etc < 1327751907 99577 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called the full shift < 1327751909 971289 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that a subshift? < 1327751917 901890 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you see why it's shift-invariant < 1327751921 382034 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1327751929 668461 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you shift a point, it's still a point < 1327751941 889024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-invariant means the _set_ of points is mapped to itself < 1327751949 503009 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the points themselves aren't < 1327751971 782179 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the whole of S^ZZ shift-invariant < 1327751988 352599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what confused you i suppose. if the points are actually fixed points of the shift, then they are exactly ...0.0... and ...1.1... as you said < 1327751991 535676 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1327752014 251774 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have proper subsets other than the trivial {,,,0,,,, and ...1...} which are shift-invariant? < 1327752016 473095 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you shift a point, it's some other point over the same alphabet S, and every point over S is in S^ZZ < 1327752032 176777 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it even has closed shift-invariant subsets < 1327752035 520898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fuckload of them. < 1327752047 325701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0)(1)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1327752047 487516 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output! < 1327752052 610195 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the set of points containing at most one symbol 1 < 1327752060 885698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION almost does that from memory now < 1327752061 626429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's closed and shift invariant < 1327752061 788249 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1327752070 490952 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "at most"? < 1327752078 197938 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1327752078 813369 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1327752078 978793 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: if we say exactly one, it's not closed < 1327752086 832106 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it not closed? < 1327752089 290996 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can shift the one to infinity, so to speak. < 1327752094 967982 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you? < 1327752098 678627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(morse-thue sequence; gives a subshift which is minimal) < 1327752111 197436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, see the topology here is given by the following metric < 1327752114 548912 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah closed as in topologically closed < 1327752121 55893 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not closed as in closed under the function < 1327752128 444099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yea < 1327752129 892029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1327752152 509712 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it sufficient to say S has the discrete topology and S^ZZ the product topology? < 1327752160 447778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we're using < 1327752163 57159 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1327752169 232710 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the product topology is < 1327752170 677426 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then i'll give the metric < 1327752179 600755 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easier to work with maybe < 1327752187 872074 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK!!!! < 1327752215 606154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(x, y) = 2^{-n} where n is the smallest absolute value of an index i such that x_i != y_i < 1327752232 487855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you differ at the origin (at coordinate 0), then your distance is 1 < 1327752250 148291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1327752256 671949 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1327752261 327763 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i do that right... < 1327752286 320773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think i did < 1327752291 540796 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean sum < 1327752295 600975 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1327752302 772052 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i'm doing a shift the numbers might keep on jumping around wildly right? < 1327752329 933639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use d(x, y) = 1/{i + 1} where i is the smallest absolute value of a difference < 1327752334 922024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: yes! < 1327752346 90856 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the distances < 1327752352 282900 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be used to create a new sequence < 1327752356 863866 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that sequence somehow related < 1327752384 405707 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you like < 1327752431 501387 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mean < 1327752436 98616 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you have a sequence s < 1327752440 216759 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1327752459 55894 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have a sequence of sequences {shift^k(s)} < 1327752471 646258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought two would be enough < 1327752490 149850 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you define a sequence s' = {d(shift^k(s), shift^(k+1)(s)} < 1327752503 912298 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you construct s knowing s'? < 1327752524 863513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no < 1327752530 694138 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1327752530 974419 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1327752545 918087 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 000 and 111 have the same s' < 1327752548 56693 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the binary case, you may be able. < 1327752551 59744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you cannot distinguish s from (1-s_i)_i < 1327752554 111956 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1327752554 772836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1327752558 658637 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that < 1327752565 656894 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there interesting cases when you can? < 1327752568 174128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may be just symbol permutations < 1327752642 106388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm s' tells you exactly the coordinates where s and shift(s) differe, i think < 1327752643 557985 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's just symbol permutations < 1327752643 796404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-e < 1327752644 476850 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1327752662 196577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so indeed you can deduce everything other than total flipping < 1327752664 772248 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems you're still two seconds better at math < 1327752671 267767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1327752695 197268 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, i have to go to the shop < 1327752728 88640 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you could call ' the differential < 1327752729 365087 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like < 1327752734 618461 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the derivative < 1327752740 279193 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it removes the unnecessary information < 1327752763 469257 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like the derivative of a real function removes unnecessary information about the DC component < 1327752778 94192 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does s'' tell you about s? < 1327752781 353225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the problem is the alphabet is not finite. unless you just take the information whether the bit changes. < 1327752806 120889 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the alphabet was just {0, 1} < 1327752809 95672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't think it's just symbol permutations if it's more than binary < 1327752817 979076 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i meant binary < 1327752818 858808 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and S^ZZ is all sequences in that alphabet < 1327752820 728278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it only tells if neighbors are equal or not < 1327752822 520199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what happens otherwise < 1327752825 232853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1327752831 480768 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1327752835 201562 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about binary first though < 1327752839 868625 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does s'' symbolize? < 1327752840 929795 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah then that will probably not characterize it < 1327752872 153239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: s' is not the same kind of sequence as s, though - the elements of s' are reals, not symbols < 1327752874 406102 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think has something to do with xor in the binary case < 1327752888 171332 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: " well the problem is the alphabet is not finite. unless you just take the information whether the bit changes." < 1327752897 261497 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you were more specific < 1327752898 102219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's not really a problem for your definition < 1327752906 561843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1327752910 352880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean for s'' < 1327752918 274916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: being two seconds ahead is so much easier when i don't read what you write :P < 1327752920 77268 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it shouldn't be a problem < 1327752959 536459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: so wait are you a mathematician < 1327753112 938401 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i was right in the middle of a triceps set < 1327753116 702028 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just lift things < 1327753160 20493 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you can lift even bigger things? < 1327753166 479614 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1327753172 824538 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a full set of weights < 1327753183 844353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the traditional method is to get a calf. < 1327753196 859807 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh sorry i forgot to add you need to decimate the result again < 1327753201 204951 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. re-sample it < 1327753210 571254 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other words, truncate back to binary < 1327753223 905846 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by applying the transform from X to S < 1327753245 712614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't hear about any X. < 1327753254 327488 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sorry < 1327753274 79432 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1327753291 926104 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have an X which is [0, 1) and we have a Z-action on it < 1327753302 633144 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we define two subsets, the upper and lower half < 1327753322 220924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it makes sense to say s' is in X. < 1327753329 757477 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we take a point x0 in X which we then keep applying this Z-action to < 1327753345 707894 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way we get s = {x_k, k \in ZZ} < 1327753346 869560 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1327753347 806938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you _could_ interpret 1/2^n as n 0's followed by a 1, or something. < 1327753359 59977 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you following me so far? < 1327753365 565481 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind your interpretations < 1327753401 832835 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's say our partition is different < 1327753409 976726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. however the problem here is that if you apply that transformation to each element of s', you get a sequence of sequences, not a single one < 1327753422 163809 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't < 1327753422 855556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cannot reapply ' to that < 1327753427 754932 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just your interpretation, i never said that < 1327753443 590467 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now let's say we have the sierpinski set on [0, 1] < 1327753443 752534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1327753502 861362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry but i detect troll mode, and so i won't participate any longer. < 1327753511 917486 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're full of shit < 1327753528 549754 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't follow and therefore you start hating < 1327753536 456215 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done < 1327753549 444013 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pat yourself on the back < 1327753568 82654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, it's possible, but i still suggest not angering me. < 1327753627 919935 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i hope you realize that displays of e-machoism are very basic intellectually < 1327753658 440155 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, if you're not interested i'll go do something better with my time < 1327753660 441284 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-001-153.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1327753972 947724 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.207.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327754395 292738 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327755109 422086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my boobs are made for walking < 1327755182 497329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how nice < 1327755227 332701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my boobs are made for doing nothing < 1327755238 807538 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost my boobs < 1327755250 441111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion :( < 1327755256 363550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: are you a breast cancer survivor? < 1327755276 607752 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, they just went away as a side effect of losing weight. < 1327755309 592436 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t miss them. I’ve never considered myself a huge fan of moobs. < 1327755330 310448 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@85.162.207.248 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1327755362 693747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you mean they can be made to go away again? < 1327755366 968138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is still hope! < 1327755387 407074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a small one, given my general hate of physical exercise, but still < 1327755423 622441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also general hate of being hungry) < 1327755478 833463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think either of exercise or being hungry is necessary < 1327755549 348082 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did no physical exercise and didn’t reduce the amount i eat (until that happened naturally as a consequence of losing weight). I didn’t even try to lose weight (although it was a welcome surprise). I just happened to find out about capsaicin’s effect on weight by it happening to me. < 1327755564 994387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW! knowledge from wikipedia: 318 is the natural number following 317 and preceding 319. < 1327755574 810407 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don’t say! < 1327755598 923109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't, wikipedia do < 1327755602 3314 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does < 1327755645 695502 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [succ 317, pred 319] < 1327755646 529394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [318,318] < 1327755649 896710 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot seems to agree. < 1327755659 563579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :she does know stuff, that lambdabot < 1327756445 162318 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1327756505 117314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eating chili helps lose weight? Interesting. < 1327756544 809378 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now oerjan just has to choose between his hate of exercise, hate of hunger and hate of chili < 1327756756 744526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily I don't have to lose weight. < 1327756792 432009 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not your *own* weight < 1327756924 953325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that supposed to mean? < 1327756965 740718 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you asking me? < 1327756994 390661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1327756998 488386 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes ;) < 1327757009 741550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, it sounded like the thing to say. < 1327757137 52595 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/59930/title/Science_%2B_the_Public__Understanding_why_hot_peppers_are_slimming < 1327757203 144620 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1327757232 408618 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was puzzled for a while when my weight started dropping, until i realized it coincided with the time i had gotten used to eating ~1M SHU stuff daily. Googling revealed stuff like that. < 1327757261 240097 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://johan.kiviniemi.name/health/weight.png < 1327757281 878373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're finnish? < 1327757316 930792 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1327757330 352515 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i weight 88 or something and i don't have boobs < 1327757354 472465 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different height, different body structure, different muscle/fat ratio, … < 1327757375 929590 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tall are you? you don't have the chart on capsaicin's effect on your height < 1327757382 793207 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that went don't linearly < 1327757385 848991 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with weight < 1327757402 809931 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :88kg? < 1327757406 649666 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*down < 1327757408 737726 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some weird american unit? ;) < 1327757415 810349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kg obviously < 1327757417 506517 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm finnish too < 1327757451 551562 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.76 m. (TBH, the moobs were quite insignificant, but not inexistent.) < 1327757451 859370 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's SHU stuff < 1327757457 80779 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scoville heat unit < 1327757460 162846 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm about 1.8 < 1327757473 20285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.69, 65kg < 1327757473 419335 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1327757574 202443 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love physical exercise as much as esoteric programming languages. < 1327757581 988012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good thingy. < 1327757584 430192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm. < 1327757591 748295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dictionary* < 1327757607 946552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :attitude < 1327757645 377321 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stopped jogging when winter. < 1327757655 457462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: helsingki? < 1327757658 586216 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*helsinki < 1327757661 978551 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tampere < 1327757684 370616 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :university? < 1327757947 527777 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1327757958 241879 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :work? < 1327757960 76779 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1327757963 826106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :high school? < 1327757969 205582 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :-P < 1327757976 802767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just plain chillin'? < 1327758013 615233 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in TAMK for a year and worked a bit, but developed some health problems which put an end to that for now. < 1327758032 412574 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take that as a "yes, BUT" < 1327758343 367372 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327758712 530618 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327758966 260184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1327759830 20207 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new esolang is coming along great \o/ < 1327759830 283075 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                      ¦ < 1327759830 481737 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                     ´¸¨ < 1327759854 233655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: you should get that man to a hospital < 1327759857 492468 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot? (\o/) < 1327759857 749457 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       | < 1327759857 911107 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      /| < 1327759866 920335 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1327759879 964433 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327759884 711968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :script < 1327759929 325409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1327759929 525871 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1327759929 526059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1327759929 937592 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't do it right! but no, not in mine fibonacci numbers would take a look at < 1327759930 99387 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   ¦ < 1327759930 261278 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /<   |\  |\     |     /|  /|  /`\     |     /<  /|  ´¸¨ < 1327759930 261517 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             (_|¯`\                   /'\ < 1327759930 261627 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  |_)               (_| |_) < 1327759995 997145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fibonacci, eh? < 1327759996 382254 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which i'll try and do something new things get burned and you have some hope to actually debug it... < 1327760001 132198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1327760001 293904 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1327760052 741862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA chainsaw < 1327760062 635389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fungot < 1327760062 951349 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you're doing the equivalent of `',x using only quasiquote?! :( < 1327760136 39399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((*)(*))(~:^~Sa~^*a*~:^):^ < 1327760136 201238 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************ ...too much output! < 1327760138 67376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1327760144 964322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((*)(*))(~:^~(/)*Sa~^*a*~:^):^ < 1327760145 126671 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/*/**/***/*****/********/*************/*********************/**********************************/*******************************************************/*****************************************************************************************/********************************************************************************* ...too much output! < 1327760150 417464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1327760150 579188 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1327760191 417083 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327760244 833429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^hs mapM id(" ">>["1234"]) < 1327760269 287865 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1327760281 32574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, implementing haskell in funge98 is still a bit beyond mankind < 1327760318 462021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1327760318 624037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why so slow? < 1327760318 624268 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1327760319 85433 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.dilbert.com/ comics/ ft/ 2005/ 02/15-feb-2005 is there a rough oklotalk spec anywhere?) < 1327760354 982619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: not in dilbert, i suspect < 1327760355 492597 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ask questions, you have to be commands, and i suspect the deficiency is in unix, but isn't < 1327760372 236111 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1327760372 482733 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1327760372 645177 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1327760484 184672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION concludes that url has more than spaces wrong with it < 1327760501 283790 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1327760524 384627 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327761282 518185 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327762356 353881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1327763601 637091 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1327763716 343618 :kallisti!~eris@h230.13.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327763716 505543 :kallisti!~eris@h230.13.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1327763716 505692 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1327763746 316692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you slow? < 1327763746 485209 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: eval ( ( cons. 2) < 1327763754 117105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem so slow. < 1327763830 216819 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: pointful (.foo).(bar) < 1327763830 688465 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ( cadr fnord) doesn't faithfully preserve the meaning of " oklopol"? i thought it was apparent. < 1327763844 837794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never does what I ask him to :( < 1327763845 898918 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1327763868 17063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Slap someone. < 1327763868 550693 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: " friends of brainfuck", it was easy to implement malloc and free; or you are studying cs right? which area is your main interest? < 1327763887 832908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a sycophant, lambdabot is right there. < 1327764005 920118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sycophant? < 1327764032 824192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. sycophant, toady, crawler, lackey, ass-kisser -- (a person who tries to please someone in order to gain a personal advantage) < 1327764083 332454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of psyo + elephant :D < 1327764086 828007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*psyco < 1327764187 961569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Are you some sort of psychotic pachyderm? < 1327764193 109269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quiet guy. < 1327764201 642831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 < 1327764202 646713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1327764209 139781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::type 0 < 1327764216 283878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :type 0 < 1327764217 176375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `:' < 1327764228 12466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t you-mean < 1327764228 903938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `you' < 1327764229 66200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `mean' < 1327764252 650597 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :?type 0 < 1327764253 422043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t < 1327764276 583529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that. < 1327764279 259220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. unpl pl \f g (a,b) -> (f a, g b) < 1327764279 693529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ aa f -> (\ p w -> ((,)) (aa (fst p)) (f w)) >>= \ af -> snd >>= \ ae -> return (af ae)) < 1327764294 722356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likes to do things the hard way. < 1327764859 325423 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327764985 690654 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Quit: maintenance < 1327765841 385601 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1327766181 149783 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327767153 364864 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE8B2C1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327767339 326334 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D731.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1327769816 573074 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327770017 407368 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1327772290 463876 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327772481 354829 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1327773890 480169 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327773898 486722 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :starym < 1327774071 581408 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1327774076 816673 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-140.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1327774076 978566 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1327774132 920891 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327774588 279641 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327775895 17448 :centrinia!~exc@adsl-184-36-88-53.asm.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327777695 198691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327778452 360330 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :Robbespierre < 1327778470 214735 :Robbespierre!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1327781531 49278 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327781767 135756 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1327783153 218751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1327783168 871282 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you didn't know that already!! < 1327783185 603667 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-192-170.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327783200 851352 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-237-135.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1327783339 186407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1327783845 547766 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327783869 245969 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1327784108 452369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I so love pattern matching in my esolang <3 < 1327784149 855957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/i26ezt5W <- looks kinda neat < 1327784216 499385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, an esolang < 1327784264 596469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, an esolang. < 1327784274 481758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing rare amongst here I guess :) < 1327784284 494832 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think that, but no < 1327784297 766542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would have thought. < 1327784314 94041 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think the programming tools on my graphical calculator are oddly suited for interpreting Numberwang < 1327784338 697158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, a graphical calculator; which one? < 1327784363 362197 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Casio, and that's as much as I can tell you off the top of my head < 1327784363 523971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, an esolang? no way that's on topic here. < 1327784421 395335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's about magick or something, then it might be. < 1327784555 741769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: So how does one program them? I'm just aware of TI-BASIC (the silliest sort of BASIC), and old HP calculators' RPL thing vaguely. < 1327784585 956648 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You type in the program...? < 1327784599 148724 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got if statements and for loops and while loops and gotos < 1327784619 658236 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaahhh, gotos < 1327784661 775421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C also has gotos, so that does not tell us much ;) < 1327784673 101530 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not C < 1327784686 926924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I just wondered about the language. Whether it resembled something that exists. < 1327784794 871905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, I guess the only two ways TI-BASIC actually resembles BASIC more than $generic_imperative_language are 1) the loads of limitations and 2) the "BASIC" in the name. < 1327784809 107241 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC-like, I believe < 1327784830 233744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Now open for Pirates | Take a trip to see our forts | Get your esoloot here! | Claims elliott shortage hurts productivity "Absurd, arrr" | Glorious optators "be worried, arrr" about missing treasure | Based on the power of clichés! | Spotted marsh elliott spotted in other marsh | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1327784836 639996 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-BASIC isn't BASIC it is a different programming language < 1327784909 511256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_PC-1403 ftw. < 1327784910 135042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And RPL is vaguely Forthy instead.) < 1327784912 333409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written programs for the TI-92. The programs run slowly, although if you know a few tricks you can speed it up a bit. < 1327784949 329091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written some TI-BASIC "programs" for the TI-86, and the implementation sure is slow. < 1327785015 429926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, the TI-86 arithmetic routines are very very bloaty. (I've a friend who's poked them; and anyway ten-bytes-or-so BCD just won't be very fast anyhow.) < 1327785075 546581 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327785090 517849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't TI-92 that m68k one? < 1327785132 972370 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know TI-96 is. Dunno about 92. < 1327785156 921507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall that in some high-school exams the rules were that you could use a TI-86 but not a TI-92 because the latter did some symbolic derivation fluff. < 1327785187 212573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes; I think that was one reason, but there was also another reason being the TI-92 had a QWERTY keyboard. < 1327785195 81835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there were two reasons it wasn't allowed < 1327785219 506839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A keyboard is a bit of a weird reason. < 1327785233 4354 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, wait. It’s been years since i used them and i utterly mixed up the numbers. Ignore what i said. < 1327785245 89195 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but that is one of the reasons < 1327785261 11879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The symbolic derivation is another reason why it is disallowed) < 1327785266 29418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense, what does the keyboard give you that you can't already do? < 1327785285 336757 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-89 is the one in know to have a 68000. < 1327785289 708243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Maybe if the exam is about keyboard layouts? < 1327785294 332519 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but it is a reason < 1327785295 596511 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :input is too damn fast on these new calculators, we need to slow people down! < 1327785307 324515 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a calculator with APL? < 1327785320 124047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would really make me laugh :D < 1327785329 600034 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make one! < 1327785330 192390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :92 apparently also has, according to Wiki. Also I think I might've confused the 92 and 89 too. < 1327785331 175072 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could implement an APL mode to some of them. :-) < 1327785370 921494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculators are quite boring machines < 1327785413 806283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 89 had the "vertical" format but still did that 68k thing? That must be a newer thing. < 1327785563 639513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the TI-86 in... 96, I think, and chose it because of the allowed-in-the-exams status. (Well, and our class had a discounted-group-purchase event for the 86, too.) < 1327785589 706167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in exams in the UK, you have to wipe a calculator's memory before taking it into an exam < 1327785613 352204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Same here, but the 92 has some symbolic-algebra in the ROM. < 1327785683 330716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also there's some code for the TI-86 that disables the reset functionality, but fakes the on-screen displays as if it succeeded, IIRC. < 1327785694 636395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could still upgrade the ROM to your own version. That is probably why Texas Instruments used the digital signatures on the ROM of one model < 1327785697 21524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha < 1327785702 992159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invented by some enterprising cheater? < 1327785706 327590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I know about that; I have read about it < 1327785720 247943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure I can figure out any other use case for it. < 1327785763 684271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I cheated an exam by using the coughing code! So that other students can copy the answers off of me < 1327785764 341887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "protect your calculators from resets done by siblings" or something. < 1327785773 603928 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1327785786 472709 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the effort some people spend to avoid spending effort to study for tests. < 1327785809 344138 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also once read about a hardware modification that adds a "backup backup battery" since some teachers will steal the backup battery from your calculator < 1327785821 408660 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even outside of a test/exam) < 1327785884 675427 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327785904 444569 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once a teacher told us to drop the covers on the floor since apparently some students wrote the answers on them < 1327785921 263382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a quasi-popular/simple "install a switch that overclocks the Z80 from 6 MHz to K MHz" mod for the 86. (I don't quite recall what K is; and it eats batteries faster + not all things work right when overclocked.) < 1327785922 332304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you aren't allowed to take calculator covers into exams in the UK < 1327785925 294553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that reason, I think < 1327785947 950668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone could still write on the calculator itself; perhaps on the inside of the battery compartment < 1327786020 177714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it goes up to around 15-18 MHz if you disconnect a capacitor. < 1327786020 844696 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone could cheat by making neural connections in their brain revealing the answers. < 1327786058 947455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what exams? < 1327786060 459560 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have cracked the ROM key anyways so some people can install whatever program you want in ROM (including an entirely different operating system) < 1327786073 370502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually you are allowed to take tons of materials to the exams. < 1327786083 709434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: A-level and university exams < 1327786086 83062 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like handwritten summaries et al < 1327786107 781229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I scratched my name into the aluminium foil that's behind the display inside the case, for a "prove it's mine in case of theft" scenario, though that never happened. < 1327786137 746652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also we had very few exams in in high-school-equivalent where you could bring any written material to. < 1327786159 426106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in A-levels, sometimes there'll be written material assigned to you < 1327786167 183254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually at university level you are allowed to use up to two pages of a handwritten summary < 1327786167 924954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's given to you inside the exam room so that you can't cheat by modifying it < 1327786168 487586 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of people that wrote on their entire body < 1327786173 278010 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1327786173 805686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a formula collection, of course < 1327786184 843645 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1327786191 43853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*formulary < 1327786205 968888 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1327786214 902766 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this Install Updates button not working < 1327786241 836530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd think most of our university exams were closed-book ones, though there's exceptions. And sometimes provided material. < 1327786243 249038 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a daemon tried when I tried it before < 1327786260 823933 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the command-line thing? sudo apt-get upgrade? < 1327786296 783506 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just had my semester final exams < 1327786297 920843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: update, then upgrade < 1327786305 86171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :update downloads the updates, upgrade installs them < 1327786308 696883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's one particular book of math/physics/chemistry formulas that you can bring to the "matriculation examination", e.g. the thing at the end of high school that's often used for university entrance score calculations. < 1327786323 391469 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1327786325 119370 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in every exam we were allowed to use at least 2 pages of handwritten stuff. < 1327786337 68299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some even up to ten pages. < 1327786343 349897 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look like things are downloading from the command line < 1327786402 530999 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327786412 476980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cultural differences, I assume; I don't recall any handwritten-notes-allowed exams offhand, and I'd think there were a total of at most five in the... however many exams there were in total. Certainly at least 50. < 1327786414 844976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one exam where we were allowed to write whatever we wanted on an index card and bring it into an exam (there were a few restrictions, such as the size of the index card, you could only use one side, and you are not allowed to bring a magnifying glass, and it must be hand-written; although I assume it is OK to write it in code, or small enough that even though you can read it, the teacher can't). < 1327786419 559464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although those summaries are usually not that useful. < 1327786450 528296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing that you can write in a summary is going to make you smarter < 1327786457 399988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have asked the teacher if it is OK to write in code or very small; he said it is OK as long as a magnifying glass is not required < 1327786464 798311 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327786476 794107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write your name, if you forget it often. < 1327786522 974973 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1327786547 454645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather write the name of the don on to the index card. < 1327786554 598514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the web-thing can only count course credit points, not number of courses. (Not that all of them had exams.) < 1327786563 242171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one exam we were allowed both sides of a letter-sized paper. After writing everything on there, I had more than half of the paper left blank, so I copied the questions from the exam onto it. < 1327786663 92548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are usually (in university, anyway) allowed to take the exam paper out; there's a student-run (the CS student guild, actually) archive of scanned/retyped old exams. < 1327786705 243818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We only have access to the exams of last semester < 1327786712 216630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is no student-run archive ;) < 1327786751 401061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, it doesn't print totals either, But I'm sure there's at least a thousand. < 1327786890 650567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :8516 exams, says a Perl oneliner. < 1327786944 453020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be an interesting exercise to quantify the mean amount of duplicate questions in one. < 1327786984 297161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of exams rotate old questions back in instead of constantly inventing new ones. < 1327787113 562642 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327787118 578966 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SQA offers past papers online, although I'm not sure how far back. < 1327787254 454121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are older, smaller, usually one-topic on-paper exam archives at the offices of the various student organizations. The web-thing is relatively recent. < 1327787431 23215 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1327788525 284604 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327788635 924294 :Klisz!~Klisz@c-67-161-147-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327789090 15945 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once, on the final question of an exam, I did not know the answer of that final question and neither did the student next to me, so we both tried to cheat off of each other. (This was only for the final question, however. Neither of us cheated before then) < 1327789202 813542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the question "What is infinite recursion?" < 1327789321 748094 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. I do not remember what the question was, but I couldn't figure it out and neither could the student next to me. < 1327789774 886256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember what class it was either, but I do remember we were permitted to use a spreadsheet < 1327789921 345753 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, updoot < 1327789926 653858 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, uppost < 1327790352 716629 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is some way compiling Haskell and/or LLVM codes into Glulx virtual machine (in the case of Haskell, possibly using Template Haskell for something)? < 1327791451 813419 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to write a text adventure game using Haskell, and make a Glulx file from it. < 1327791462 287001 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like to have LLVM to Glulx, for different reason. < 1327792338 300420 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1327792873 643455 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1327793570 797719 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327793818 172304 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1327793820 810788 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1327793869 792045 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1327794158 820795 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-167-148.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1327794442 601108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1327794541 180105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1327794764 182228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection