00:01:40 -!- Gregor has set topic: Putting My Little Pony references in the topic: the even-more-more latest trendy subversion of 2012 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Of all the worst possible topics, this topic is THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. TOPIC..
00:28:35 <Sgeo> On the one hand, I wish I could link to the syllabus, on the other hand, it contains a TOP SECRET PASSWORD
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00:48:01 <Gregor> Egyptology is back, y'all
00:49:54 <Sgeo> kallisti_, UPDAYE
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02:25:11 <zzo38> I made a LensT which is like Lens except that you can transform any applicative functor
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02:34:54 <Sgeo> kallisti_, update
02:35:06 <Sgeo> Madoka-Kaname, I forget, do you recieve my upate notices?
02:48:29 <Sgeo> Huh, I can copy/paste from the book
02:49:36 <Sgeo> "VMware Academy vSphere 5.0: Install, Configure, Manage Student"
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05:13:36 <zzo38> The MML->S3M (actually, it outputs other formats too including MIDI and raw audio) program I make in Haskell, currently called Macro-Is-Screaming because I could not think of other name but I can rename it in case you know better
05:32:52 <Sgeo> kallisti_, UPDATE
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05:47:39 <zzo38> Do you know if PuTTY has a option to tell it to not automatically scroll if SCROLL LOCK is pushed, so it enters manual scroll mode?
05:48:28 <zzo38> (Another feature suggestion, if it can be implemented, is to do not only that, but make SCROLL LOCK to make arrow key/page up/page down to scroll window instead of sending keystrokes to the server)
06:37:39 <zzo38> Do you know any better name than "Macro-Is-Screaming" for my MML program?
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08:29:18 <Sgeo> Ngevd, kallisti_ has been uipate
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11:23:30 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: messages messages?
11:24:29 <ion> @tell zzo38 You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
11:24:55 <lambdabot> ion said 25s ago: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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12:37:17 <oerjan> <Sgeo> "VMware Academy vSphere 5.0: Install, Configure, Manage Student" <-- but does it say anything about how to _use_ the students?
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12:55:24 <fizzie> oerjan: You can _use_ students? I thought they were pretty useless.
12:55:52 <oerjan> oh. that would explain it, then.
12:56:14 <zzo38> oerjan: Do you know answer of other question I have ask in here?
12:56:32 <fizzie> I just got 51 submissions for this one course's exercises. Apparently "you'll get bonus points for the exam" is a powerful motivator.
12:56:38 <oerjan> i don't use scroll lock myself, so no.
12:56:59 <zzo38> I mean the other question too; not only that one
12:57:40 <oerjan> i don't remember the other question.
12:57:49 <zzo38> (Or in case you have to ask a question too)
12:57:50 <fizzie> The other other question.
12:58:01 <zzo38> oerjan: Then look it up
12:59:13 <oerjan> i also don't know what MML is.
13:00:00 <oerjan> (what do you mean, look that up too)
13:00:22 <zzo38> MML is short for "Music Macro Language". It allows you to write music. There are basic MML codes but different MML programs have their own various codes for doing different things too.
13:01:41 <zzo38> The PLAY command in QBASIC is a simple kind of MML. There are also programs such as PPMCK for compiling MML into NES/Famicom musics
13:01:56 <oerjan> well i cannot think of anything better than macro is screaming on the spot
13:02:05 <oerjan> it's certainly distinctive
13:02:48 <oerjan> (unless it refers to something else i don't know about)
13:04:19 * oerjan looked at http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/about.php and was a bit confused when the real explanation came up
13:05:42 <zzo38> "Macro-Is-Screaming" is the current name of the program, music macro language compiled to ScreamTracker format, although other output formats are supported too (such as MIDI and raw audio). But name doesn't seem very good in case it can be improve to make up a better name for this program?
13:13:40 <cheater> what makes mml worth considering, as opposed to midi or one of the tracker formats?
13:14:31 <zzo38> cheater: MML is the source format which will be compiled into another format; although very simple MML codes (such as the one in QBASIC or in ZZT) can run directly.
13:14:58 <cheater> what are the possible events or functions in the source format?
13:15:21 <zzo38> MIDI format and tracker formats are binary formats so you still need some sort of compiler or editor or something
13:15:52 <zzo38> Possible events and functions in the source format, depend much on which MML implementation. Some, such as SakuraMML and Macro-Is-Screaming, are complete programming languages.
13:15:54 <cheater> can you show me the command list of a fairly advanced implementation of MML?
13:16:19 <cheater> what can you control in the language?
13:16:30 <zzo38> cheater: Just look for SakuraMML for a very advanced one, or PPMCK for a somewhat advanced one.
13:17:01 <cheater> short for Macro-Is-Screaming
13:17:11 <cheater> can you show me a program in Sakura or MIS?
13:17:42 <cheater> one which creates a musical composition?
13:18:11 <zzo38> MIS is not yet complete, so I have no example at the moment. If you can read Japanese, you can find many examples in Sakura.
13:18:44 <cheater> but i am assuming that the command names are probably in english
13:18:54 <cheater> can you link me to a source for one such program?
13:20:57 <zzo38> Yes, the command names are in English and so are the notes. However many things can be written in Japanese as well, and the program is allowed to contain Japanese text. (In MIS, many of the command names will probably be in Italian; I know music by hand too...)
13:22:57 <zzo38> Some SakuraMML examples can be found here: http://oto.chu.jp/a.oto.chu.jp/doc/kouza/mml6.htm
13:23:16 <zzo38> Also look at the other pages in that directory for more examples and documentation.
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13:34:16 <oerjan> about as expected http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/polls/
13:35:35 <oerjan> well, i guess "Other lawyer" was a bit higher up than you'd think.
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17:51:42 <Sgeo|web> "These materials and the computer programs to which it relates are the property of, and embody trade secrets and confidential information proprietary to, VMware, Inc., and may not be reproduced, copied, disclosed, transferred, adapted or modified without the express written approval of VMware, Inc."
17:51:48 <Sgeo|web> I feel dumber now for having read that
17:52:00 <Sgeo|web> What sort of trade secrets would this book possibly contain?
17:52:15 <Sgeo|web> How to use VMware software is a trade secret?
17:52:43 <Jafet> Having used VMWare software before, I agree.
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18:22:28 <nooga> and then Boost comes in my way
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19:09:22 <nooga> and then I'm completely confused and hate C++ even more
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19:29:57 <ais523> <liquidsin> do not read this line twice
19:30:04 <ais523> (I failed at that very quickly…)
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19:42:28 <fizzie> ais523: So you decided to spread the failing onwards?
19:42:44 <ais523> fizzie: I just thought it was an amusing line
19:42:58 <fizzie> Yes, almost immediately.
19:43:49 <ais523> oklopol: I think I'm a bit above that too
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19:44:13 <oklopol> i'm trying not to read it again but i keep thinking about it.
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19:45:20 <fizzie> There's a Finnish idiom "laittaa vahinko kiertämään", I'm not sure if it's a global one. Translated, it means something vaguely like "to pass the mistake/misfortune on", i.e. if someone steals from you, you'd then hypothetically steal from someone else. (Except I suppose probably you wouldn't, but in any case.)
19:46:33 <Taneb> I can't think of an equivalent in English
19:46:42 <fizzie> "'Laitetaan vahinko kiertämään', sanoi isä kun lapsen karuselliin laittoi." Well, that's a sort of a pun.
19:48:33 <olsner> sounds like pay it forward, but in reverse
19:48:51 <olsner> "The expression "pay it forward" is used to describe the concept of asking that a good turn be repaid by having it done to others instead."
19:49:05 <fizzie> "'Let's have the mistake go around', said the father while putting the child to the merry-go-round", if you want a literal-ish translation of that second one.
19:49:43 <Gregor> Misery loves company is the closest expression I can think of, but has a slightly different meaning.
19:50:20 <fizzie> I suppose with that you're both being miserable, while in our thing "optimally" you'll just pass your misery on to someone else.
19:50:27 <fizzie> Maybe it's a Finnish thing to do.
19:50:59 <Taneb> Like the English having 20 words for rain?
19:51:00 <olsner> a strategy for maintaining the appropriate level of misery across the country
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19:59:56 <Gregor> lambdabot: WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU?!
20:00:14 <Gregor> @tell elliott I'll bet we can use lambdabot for INTERCHANNEL COMMUNICATION.
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20:01:16 <Taneb> Gregor, he hasn't been online
20:01:32 <Gregor> I thought he was just hiding out in other channels.
20:01:54 <Taneb> Not since 4:30 PM #haskell logs time
20:02:06 <Gregor> Soooo he's just out right now.
20:02:15 <Gregor> He's not like those crazies who idle 24/7 >_> <_<
20:03:06 <monqy> Taneb: have you noticed elliott's sleep patterns are really weird
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20:03:27 <monqy> or maybe he's out doing something that isn't being online
20:03:32 <Gregor> monqy: Have you noticed that Taneb tends to vanish mid-conversation?
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20:04:44 <Ngevd> Taneb has a dodgy internet connection
20:04:50 <Ngevd> So do I, as a matter of fact
20:05:03 <Ngevd> And can turn into an elf
20:14:55 <Gregor> I used to be able to turn into a COFF, but now I can barely manage an N-Magic a.out :(
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20:24:09 <fizzie> Persistent COFF, the smokers' object file format.
20:25:50 <Ngevd> Aaaah my music suddenly turned French
20:25:51 <Gregor> Turn your head and COFF/PE.
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20:27:37 <fizzie> I don't want to know what sort of medical checkups have you both cough and pee at the same time.
20:28:04 -!- oerjan has set topic: (Putting My Little Pony references in the topic: the even-more-more latest trendy subversion of 2012 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Of all the worst possible topics, this topic is THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. TOPIC. | Now slightly on-topic)S.
20:28:25 <olsner> oerjan: is that underload code now?
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20:29:26 <Ngevd> /cat topic | privmsg #esoteric !underload
20:29:37 <Ngevd> If IRC could do that, nobody would care
20:29:42 <oerjan> fizzie: i am reminded about how there sometimes are spots where if you scratch them, you itch in a different part of your body
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20:30:59 <Gregor> It's hard to think of topic-able references that aren't hideously overused.
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20:31:08 <Gregor> "20% cooler" is the only other easy-text one, but egad.
20:33:22 <oerjan> 19:29:57: <ais523> <liquidsin> do not read this line twice
20:33:22 <oerjan> 19:30:04: <ais523> (I failed at that very quickly…)
20:33:30 <oerjan> i subverted by reading it thrice.
20:33:42 <ais523> oerjan: well, I've read it way over twice by now
20:33:44 <fizzie> There's a twice in every thrice.
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20:39:05 <Taneb> We play silly games to create Esolangs!
20:41:24 <Taneb> "By a man, let you victor with a man"?
20:41:30 <Taneb> That would be homine
20:44:51 <fizzie> Ab-hominable snow-hominid.
20:45:11 <Taneb> Would it be possible to write a gravity interpreter in Scheme-omega?
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21:12:12 <Taneb> Wow, my Internet's really good when I'm reading a book in another room
21:14:43 <Taneb> New esolang! One word at a time!
21:18:03 <Taneb> (somebody else's turn)
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21:26:07 <oerjan> verbs aren't hi? that MAKES NO SENSE MEN
21:26:54 <Ngevd> Phantom__Hoover has provided a plausible continuation, monqy is back in
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21:29:08 <ion> metadiscussion
21:31:26 * oerjan is trying hard to resist making every second word
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21:33:31 <ion> < monqy> monqy
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21:39:33 <ion> That is FOUR WORDS
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22:54:26 <Gregor> My head is SO TINY X_X
22:54:26 <lambdabot> Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
22:54:40 <Gregor> I bought new headphones, and their minimum size is a bit too big.
22:54:42 <lambdabot> elliott said 39m 14s ago: Yes, you can, but it only notifies me when I'm in #haskell or when I remember to check my messages when I get online.
22:55:03 <Gregor> @tell elliott IT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING YOU RIGHT HERE IN THE CHANNEL WITH US AND THE PONIES
22:55:05 <oerjan> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HE'S ALIVE
22:56:08 <oerjan> either that, or lambdabot is also on the other side
22:56:34 <Gregor> lambdabot transcends this plane.
22:58:20 <oerjan> @tell #haskell This should work, right?
23:00:03 <Gregor> @tell #esoteric Let's find out the easy way.
23:00:11 <Gregor> Yeah, I'm gonna go with no :)
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23:06:03 <olsner> if you change your nick to something starting with #, do you become a channel?
23:07:15 <oerjan> no one has ever come back to confirm it
23:07:41 <lambdabot> Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
23:07:46 <lambdabot> elliott said 3m 7s ago: I'm not gonna ask.
23:08:30 -!- Gregor has set topic: (elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY.)S.
23:11:22 <ais523> Gregor: did you just Underload it?
23:11:31 <ais523> oh, oerjan, I should talk to you about Underload some time
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23:12:09 <Gregor> oerjan just HAD to make the topic vaguely relevant.
23:12:18 <Gregor> 'cuz he didn't want to pony the pony with pony.
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