< 1328313966 702604 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1328314798 112619 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1328314808 155400 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328314851 126816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those people in #haskell channels, they don't know my program!!! Can you help me why the file it output won't load in another program? < 1328315233 172358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please tell me why my program is bad?????????????? < 1328315603 919277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asum < 1328315604 904962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `asum' < 1328315610 704417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle asum < 1328315611 141463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable asum :: (Foldable t, Alternative f) => t (f a) -> f a < 1328315630 569502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think choice = asum < 1328315678 354711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK. I put it there just to generalize the Parsec choice function, but thanks for idea < 1328315743 614673 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you know what is wrong with the MIDI output? < 1328315773 925289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know MIDI format, alas < 1328315799 56769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect i can only give trivial advice here < 1328315812 400022 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you do find other problems them please notify me anyways < 1328315845 479208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map sum . tail . inits $ [1,5,7,10] < 1328315847 179718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,6,13,23] < 1328315860 594278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (+) [1,5,7,10] < 1328315861 443693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,6,13,23] < 1328315879 488964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that. Thanks < 1328316040 856700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t until < 1328316041 804457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> (a -> a) -> a -> a < 1328316066 660143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's similar to your < Int and so on would still work. In addition to possibly other uses < 1328326167 968962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to genericLength and so on but with different classes < 1328326177 945299 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, rapdate if you didn't see it < 1328326227 213289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it can be written in different codes and you do not have to use if you do not like it; it is like, they sometimes have alternative Prelude and so on < 1328326276 30472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if findIndex and friends should return something lazier < 1328326304 286102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data MaybeIndex = Found | NotFound | Later MaybeIndex < 1328326355 41542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that would be lazier you are correct; they could have a lazyFindIndex function which returns that < 1328326539 483926 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be possible make alternate prelude compatible with standard prelude, using the default instances extension I have proposed, too. < 1328326913 93377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up a fixAst function which corrects the problem that preprocessor-tools package will not parse 0x45 and things like that; I also added feature to parse 0b110001 and 0'A' as well. < 1328326946 558293 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where 0'A' is 65) < 1328326976 402640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will correctly check first whether or not the tokens are adjacent before combining them, so it won't reparse them if the tokens have space in between < 1328327186 834084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it also fails at Template Haskell name quotations < 1328327210 676758 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more difficult to fix. < 1328329794 231212 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328330865 809242 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mornin < 1328330895 359061 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: Interrobang?! < 1328330933 404148 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i coded all night. i feel so dirty. < 1328330967 794197 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then go shower < 1328331344 218478 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what language? < 1328331531 188420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Clean, of course. < 1328332106 906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c# < 1328332113 844995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has nothing to do with feeling dirty < 1328332127 972204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does the lack of shower < 1328332150 842209 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I'm sure coding in PHP could make you feel dirty < 1328332171 298564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is horrible. c# is okay, just really annoying. < 1328332254 745637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, PHP isn't very good. < 1328332311 765293 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly due to some syntax not acceptable (such as f(0)[1] doesn't work) and the way implicit casts work doesn't entirely make sense, and a few other things < 1328332361 844533 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is clearly better; if you can make library with many stuff of PHP then you can do < 1328333155 385585 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know, how in Haskell, to find all files matching the wildcards specification? < 1328334307 876958 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1328334516 427257 :Banach-Tarski!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328334557 391893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1328334937 79273 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: found a soulution? < 1328335097 165697 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if there is an easier way then using filter on regex condition < 1328335156 436327 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than < 1328335685 386396 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that already sounds pretty easy. < 1328336596 880352 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the answer is no < 1328336610 930313 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is none < 1328338040 649867 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@95.129.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328338135 931536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: I was watching television so I haven't checked yet < 1328338219 182636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if a package exists for this purpose? < 1328339895 433399 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which purpose exactly < 1328339913 775809 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 there are several regex packages < 1328339933 657633 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as if you have wildcards and want to search list all files matching those wildcard < 1328340039 806420 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get list of files with getDirectoryContents < 1328340048 778210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I found that. < 1328340075 233506 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the filespec might include a path; but that can probably be moved too using other functions < 1328340080 341567 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use filteredList = filter(regexp files) < 1328340088 707293 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it < 1328340092 487555 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1328340122 599839 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about: in Windows, filenames are case insensitive, but in UNIX, is case sensitive! < 1328340148 342925 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn more about regular expressions < 1328340160 46336 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a-z]* < 1328340165 648121 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :small caps < 1328340171 934971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how regular expressions works < 1328340173 242282 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not (entirely) true. < 1328340187 355386 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In Win32, filenames are case insensitive. < 1328340190 505656 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not see your problem < 1328340214 403543 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: With the NT API, or the POSIX subsystem, on Windows filenames are case sensitive. < 1328340221 521751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: I just told you; it is that it must be matched differently in different operating systems < 1328340235 948582 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally one uses * or ? as wildcard < 1328340243 383429 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1328340259 890650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Doesn't it depend on the filesystem or something like that? I think I read somewhere that the NT internally uses different rules for different filesystems depending on the driver, or something else < 1328340273 629070 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though Win32 is always case insensitive < 1328340282 627897 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not *really*... < 1328340303 374356 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAT with LFNs is actually case sensitive. < 1328340379 343343 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. if you want to ignore cs just make them all lowerCase before using regex < 1328340384 795676 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1328340385 234997 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, indeed, UTF-16) < 1328340402 515768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: That is no good; because then it won't work on UNIX < 1328340411 763357 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is < 1328340422 885234 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want < 1328340448 512226 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do different for Windows and UNIX < 1328340463 795908 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to use ignore caps do so..if not.. < 1328340478 96881 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: But that's platform specific. < 1328340495 65063 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1328340500 183638 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what`? < 1328340508 590548 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you have to handle them seperately. < 1328340522 146020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer isn't psychic. < 1328340668 103385 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen.. if we have these files on a unix system, for example.. myfile01, myfile02, myFile01 and myFile02 .. and you can search for my[f,F]ile* or myfile* < 1328340701 701894 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt that what you want to do? < 1328340701 974978 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those match two different sets of files on a UNIX system, but precisely the same set on Windows. < 1328340727 224912 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up < 1328340753 439366 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually. Screw it, I blame zzo38. < 1328340754 321997 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1328340769 838596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For what? < 1328340777 724493 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-240-104.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. :) < 1328340815 82108 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know, how in Haskell, to find all files matching the wildcards specification? <-- < 1328340858 510723 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the wildcard will be the argument for your function right? < 1328340882 136268 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so.. you can decide which wildcard to use dependig on the case < 1328340912 573256 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the system < 1328341024 379041 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b681c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric 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< 1328360011 343396 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-007-158.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328360253 868796 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1328362903 450050 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.229.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328362903 915554 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@70.255.229.0 QUIT :Changing host < 1328362903 968636 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1328362929 466753 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PART :#esoteric < 1328363421 108861 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328363465 150214 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328363465 350377 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328363465 403366 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328363603 973395 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually a new esolang! < 1328363613 71033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bf derivative, but that's better than spam < 1328365495 430727 :jix_!~jix@dronf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328365495 520800 :jix_!~jix@dronf.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1328366903 110594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, WRONG < 1328366922 639334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is at least obviously worth removing. < 1328366949 765599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF derivatives are a cancer running throughout the fringes of the esolang community, and as the fringes vastly outweigh the core, we're screwed. < 1328367019 158763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also a great way to get a rant out of a Phantom_Hoover. < 1328370255 536492 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know who Dale Earnhardt is? < 1328370290 604799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1328370294 476397 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no < 1328370448 910214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard the namel < 1328370461 338386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it have something to do with... driving? < 1328370472 216103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some sort of real-world activity. < 1328370541 218204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328370741 625230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Something Positive made a bad-taste joke about his death, or something. < 1328370762 451683 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328370823 274687 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, and maybe? < 1328370860 998176 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328370890 688878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328370902 275877 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1328371217 297014 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned from my mother today that we're distantly related to Dale Earnhardt. < 1328371224 857168 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was slightly hilarious. < 1328371507 481492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, the most famous person that there's rumours I'm related to is me. < 1328371522 659977 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1328371536 76580 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote feudal < 1328371548 716568 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :476) That offers me some social standing, feudal system wise < 1328371573 234497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, past me, it really doesn't < 1328372062 819784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328373056 504992 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328373056 941479 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328373056 995736 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328373101 250152 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328373103 724308 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1328373160 640259 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328375043 178822 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328375255 170185 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328375285 26158 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4444 < 1328375290 20615 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an interesting thought < 1328376321 41483 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328376386 311298 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328376386 855692 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1328376386 908684 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1328376576 898471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328377915 997153 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328378089 984824 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1328378093 109013 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1328378187 449417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328378569 116849 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1328379831 983592 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328379962 524178 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328380347 877907 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328381291 307449 :Banach-Tarski!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :pir^2 < 1328382407 493881 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328382419 511264 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1328382439 356942 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328383738 932435 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-157.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328383794 334929 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-209-92.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1328384258 314600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328384500 821599 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328384692 655247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :".YAW .ELBISSOP .TSROW .EHT ni gnalose na tcurtsnoc ot gniliaf woN | cipot-no ylthgils woN | /ciretose_/sgol/gro.udoc//:ptth | tnemecalper susagep gnikees ,ytlayoL fo tnemelE fo reraeb sa dekcas ttoille">:#,_@ < 1328384695 932444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack starts full of zeroes < 1328384703 158766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to put one there right at the start of the program < 1328384920 427365 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328385297 845272 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :DISPLAY 'elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY.' LINE 1 POSITION 1. STOP RUN. < 1328385307 856434 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gettin' tired of backwards ^^ < 1328385738 634354 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328385776 138453 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :Spinoof < 1328385918 822740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1328386144 440941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Personally I always put a zero in anyway. Code reuse and all that. You never know when your snippet is being run in a context where there's something interesting on the stack. (I guess for the topic one could make a concise-is-good argument, though.) < 1328386487 472219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote BF derivatives are a cancer running throughout the fringes of the esolang community, and as the fringes vastly outweigh the core, we're screwed. < 1328386491 561046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :808) BF derivatives are a cancer running throughout the fringes of the esolang community, and as the fringes vastly outweigh the core, we're screwed. < 1328386607 344373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Alas, the most famous person that there's rumours I'm related to is me. <-- i vaguely recall i'm supposedly related to some norwegian actor or something, but i'm not entirely sure who it was. < 1328386667 373012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it was Toralv Maurstad, although you won't have heard of him anyhow.
< 1328386690 907889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, it's time to start The Girl Who Played With Fire < 1328386697 434246 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though that's Swedish < 1328386711 481923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty far off relationship i think. < 1328386764 260891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's supposedly some dutch aristocracy back in the centuries < 1328386791 788650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I share a surname with a DJ's stage name... < 1328386838 691863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also share half a surname with Jean Claude van Damme < 1328386846 969954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1328386867 268845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mere tussenvoegsel < 1328386890 159659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328386896 143817 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tussenvoegsel < 1328386918 799750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1328386941 551485 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not likely to come in handy < 1328386989 353321 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to predict world events by the movement of planets: Step 1. Use computer to compute positions of planets. Step 2. Use a telescope to view those positions in the sky. Step 3. If it doesn't match, then you can predict the end of the world. < 1328387016 255748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you have a personal incentive to use fonts with disastrous keming for your future publications < 1328387055 711935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the ones with dangerous science in them. < 1328387056 314677 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and get a doctorate < 1328387093 784895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if what's the point of being Mister van Doom < 1328387198 385088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or maybe you just need to buy a new clock. < 1328387257 659342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you see a dark disk of no stars where jupiter was supposed to be, you may start to worry. < 1328387275 310629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if the surrounding stars look slightly off-position. < 1328387310 476922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, there is the possibility that the clock is incorrect. But if that is the case you can still try different times and look for other clocks and so on. And yes, dark disk and that stuff is another thing you can worry < 1328387354 19454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: it doesn't strictly need to be jupiter. jupiter's mass would be far too small for that anyhow.) < 1328387404 691353 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, there may be other things too that would tell you there is something wrong. < 1328387438 324284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm totally waiting for that radioastronomy picture of a supermassive black hole which there are apparently at least two teams competing to be the first to produce. < 1328387439 389976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean black holes? Yes I think Jupiter's mass is too small for that < 1328387461 391289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I've wondered at least thrice: how does the JavaScript snippet !(typeof worldHasEnded == "undefined") detect whether the world has ended? I don't think that's in the standard, though I guess it could be a common browser extension. (hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com uses that.) < 1328387463 378403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless jupiter had already got frighfully close < 1328387508 636034 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't worldHasEnded be a boolean? < 1328387554 788720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not defined in the code. I think it's assuming it gets defined by the environment only when the world has ended, and it's testing for its existence. < 1328387562 442839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i believe it is guaranteed that expression won't return false if the world has ended. unless something else has set that variable, i guess. < 1328387597 219785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually even if so. < 1328387690 42087 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's being run in space < 1328387698 971392 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does space get to end too < 1328387724 213315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that depends on the exact kind of world ending. < 1328387777 42447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wonder if there is currently any JavaScript running in space. < 1328387805 385303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :false vacuum collapse should be particularly reliable < 1328387855 88370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"javascript satellite" is not returning any very promising hits. < 1328387874 858363 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the unpromising ones like? < 1328387895 282137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is at least one person blogging from the iss, i learned the other day < 1328387911 265195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some satellite tracking code that you can run in a browser. < 1328387926 20393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then Google's satellite imagery related things. < 1328387961 328787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And several "this site requires javascript" notes. < 1328388022 707763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you track satellites by entering the orbital parameters into the fucticious objects file of Swiss Ephemeris? < 1328388052 984099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably. They're just going around there. < 1328388097 101211 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an interesting thought -> http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4444 interactive compilation with some memory of what you said < 1328388100 125903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can plot artificial satellites on a horoscope too. < 1328388100 566758 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1328388318 43952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what the heck is that esolang in the topic, i cannot find it on either esolang or codu < 1328388335 239039 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1328388336 326262 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL < 1328388339 526912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1328388348 260237 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth codes are generally compiled and executed as you type them in, while BASIC allows you to enter commands interactively as well as enter line numbers to enter instructions into the program which will be saved. < 1328388424 503224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new GHCi could also do that since they added feature to enter any top-level declaration at the prompt. < 1328388455 357766 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no it's not. It's missing all sorts of important stuff, like IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. < 1328388464 31769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well forth has : < 1328388504 943960 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's just a code fragment, not a complete program. < 1328388508 576030 :Spinoof!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: -- < 1328388514 222557 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, make it a complete program! < 1328388515 911543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, the command : enters compile mode defining a new word, although ] will also enter compile mode and there are various other things < 1328388545 959121 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although COBOL is indentation sensitive IIRC. < 1328388549 722860 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Does a COBOL program require an IDENTIFICATION DIVISION or is that part optional and only the prorgram division is required? I don't know COBOL programming < 1328388563 374474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :/fnord/elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http:\/\/codu.org\/logs\/_esoteric\/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY./fnord < 1328388571 342610 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, IDENTIFICATION DIVISION is required I think < 1328388575 697634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1328388586 897945 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think only ENVIRONMENT DIVISION and ... something else are optional, but I'm not sure. < 1328388594 318285 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1328388598 919625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :/fnord/elliott sacked as bearer of Element of Loyalty, seeking pegasus replacement | http:\\\/\\\/codu.org\\\/logs\\\/_esoteric\\\/ | Now slightly on-topic | Now failing to construct an esolang in THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. WAY./fnord < 1328388599 419231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I didn't know that < 1328388626 768363 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Environment and Data are optional, Identification and Procedure (I think it's called) are not. < 1328389222 783284 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some math professor accidentally reply-all'd to an email from 2004 about an apparently-failed initiative to merge some of the major math-related libraries (incl. CS), and for some reason the CS graduate students' mailing list was on the CC. Now a bunch of people are replying, not realizing that the conversation is eight years out of date. < 1328389375 519584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, SDCC... "int foo; /* file-scope */ ... foo = bar();" => call _bar; ld b, h; ld c, l; ld iy, #_foo; ld 0(iy), c; ld iy, #_foo; ld 1(iy), b .. it's like some sort of "most pessimal assembly" competition. (It could be replaced by "ld (_foo), hl".) < 1328389420 82555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, except that wouldn't clobber bc.) < 1328389427 169848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And iy.) < 1328389430 455765 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1328389448 880082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a webpage for me < 1328389460 381167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Remember to kern the name right. < 1328389933 321831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kem eaλy, kem oAen < 1328390136 406048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just keep keming. < 1328390177 649780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a relative lack of ligatures in Unicode. They dare to say it's not the job of the character set. < 1328390233 987575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the latin alphabet, there's only "ij", "oe", "ff", "fi", "fl", "ffi", "ffl", "ft" and "st". < 1328390241 198455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall a conversation once with someone who thought distinguishing upper and lower case letters was going too far < 1328390241 640090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use something like METAFONT's ligature/kern programs < 1328390254 826927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that there should just be some modifier for it < 1328390280 183741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nearly everything in Unicode is going too gar < 1328390298 894901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to boldly go too far < 1328390302 938381 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think some character sets do have just a modifier for uppercase/lowercase letters, although they are not commonly used < 1328390363 538004 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/too gar/too far/ < 1328390432 198335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd describe that statement as just loſty, high-flown, perhaps even rarefied. < 1328390444 571837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. I mean statement, of course. < 1328390521 399955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd describe those lines as having about half the ligatures invisible in putty < 1328390526 877608 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I subscribed to 2600 I noticed they used ligatures in fixed-pitch text. They shouldn't do that. I don't know if they still do; I have not yet resubscribed. Someoneone should notify them not to use ligatures in fixed-pitch text < 1328390554 190758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aw. Well, the surviving ligatures are just "compatibility characters", anyhow. < 1328390573 553820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1328390601 164430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer Modern typewriter style texts do not use ligatures, although the variable-pitch Computer Modern fonts do have ligatures and kerning. < 1328391704 629377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it is possible for a custom Haskell preprocessor to figure out which C preprocessor symbols exist? < 1328392304 886868 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328392367 809106 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328392376 291282 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1328392481 17239 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328392648 913474 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1328392655 625746 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1328392657 570592 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1328393408 533800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii < 1328393411 142985 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328393415 526209 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lam%C2%ADent <-- WTF < 1328393444 550924 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1328393460 666708 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1328393466 823713 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what control/non-printable character is in there? < 1328393618 111099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Replacing page with 'cocks') < 1328393692 677781 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cocks" is not an ANSI control character. < 1328393733 898894 :dalia!~vanessa@89.204.154.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328393784 374083 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1328393787 490218 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the username < 1328393788 61254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i just assumed it wad < 1328393789 990756 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1328393797 826138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [0xC2,0xAD] < 1328393798 811039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [194,173] < 1328393807 196682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 194 173 < 1328393807 436298 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :M < 1328393821 745500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1328393828 596353 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :special characters? < 1328393829 206262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 194 < 1328393829 260051 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1328393835 363995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 173 < 1328393835 602624 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1328393847 126009 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 194 lools weird O_o < 1328393856 576212 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*looks < 1328393872 97242 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN (U+00AD) < 1328393881 678962 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1328393882 17672 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xC2AD is the UTF-8 representation. < 1328393886 784141 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a zero-width space. < 1328393896 126276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: um surely the 194+173 is a single utf8 char < 1328393918 951500 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone with Android tried the Android gopher client and found a mistake in it. I tried to send message to them but it failed < 1328393959 831899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, 194 _is_ the first prefix < 1328393974 48905 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just ate < 1328393977 459341 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(food) < 1328393981 881023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 32 65 194 173 65 < 1328393982 119977 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1328393986 718500 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What food? < 1328393991 733846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is fungot doing there < 1328393991 975423 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it important whether a _constant_ is signed or unsigned btw? < 1328393993 718674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :macaroni and stuff < 1328393997 791426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show chr < 1328393997 911052 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>[->+10<]>[-<+>]<2-48[>+<-],]>. < 1328394015 798914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it only handles a single char < 1328394029 751269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: um surely the 194+173 is a single utf8 char // yes, 0xC2AD is the UTF-8 representation of U+00AD. < 1328394090 401077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :­ looks like a zero-width space except at the end of a line < 1328394125 335381 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, clever. < 1328394129 729842 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But stupid) < 1328394131 675659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is watching moomins
< 1328394141 712931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel so finnish. < 1328394185 613170 :dalia!~vanessa@89.204.154.100 PART :#esoteric < 1328394226 619534 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snoring* "i hear snoring. i shall whistle." *whistle* "the snoring has stopped." < 1328394638 287653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imagine this articulated excruciatingly precisely) < 1328394730 68136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moomins animations are made in japan, aren't they. < 1328394736 993956 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328394753 199819 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three japanese episodes that were apparently too scary for finland < 1328394759 561134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1328394827 492369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i found the finnish ones scarier than jaws when i was 6 or something) < 1328394876 144141 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not all of them are scary ofc < 1328394913 21543 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also finnish moomin comics but those are mainly about the moomins drinking and having horrible hangovers < 1328394924 58470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328394936 776665 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm serious < 1328394975 560133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how can one be thirsty after drinking all night!" -- moominpappa < 1328394983 784941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NANANANANANANANA I CAN'T HEAR YOU < 1328395003 883056 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I remember the moomins < 1328395008 270810 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely... < 1328395064 942785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was more of an El Nombre fan < 1328395068 899542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you know that tove jansson originally just wanted to invent the scariest creature ever < 1328395075 107061 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that became the moomin < 1328395083 6604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic failure, that. < 1328395086 568016 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1328395288 746453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :episode numbeer on: moomin turns into a horrible red creature and no one recognizes him. < 1328395296 11706 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*number one < 1328395320 436743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dad?" "i am not your father." < 1328395331 141277 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then wear a sign so that you can be recognized? < 1328395371 764084 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible organ music starts playing, moonin starts crying and beating the mirror with his fists < 1328395417 423371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they need to hire better organ music musicians < 1328395430 6034 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not that kind of horrible . < 1328395432 23120 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1328395448 989576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music is awesome. < 1328395471 564715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1328395601 62339 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight, and 18yo girls wanted me to explain cantor diagonalization to her. < 1328395603 520270 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*girl < 1328395634 834973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :she didn't believe there can be multiple infinities. < 1328395693 233511 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happen to me too, a few people have not believe there can be multiple infinities, so I showed them how < 1328395711 186948 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like so i study these zero-dimensional space and she was like omg that's so cool. < 1328395736 44976 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure but were they hot < 1328395883 291330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although she was more interested in 2^N and N^N having the same cardinality. < 1328396020 46660 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cantor gets all the chicks < 1328396031 616492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't come up with a nice concrete bijection, so i did this in a roundabout way, anyone have one in mind? < 1328396325 819859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have one from N^N to [0,1), i think. < 1328396337 660123 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1328396356 732473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh err no i have one between N^N and 2^N except all zeroes < 1328396365 832349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. actually it's the same as yours < 1328396367 419294 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1328396383 733169 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess things like 1^n0 will always give you something like that < 1328396401 685371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just .1^a_0 0 1^a_1 0 1^a_2 ... < 1328396406 101892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just .1^{a_0} 0 1^{a_1} 0 1^{a_2} ... < 1328396416 247564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1328396423 873619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot give something ending in infinite 1's < 1328396426 200272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 1^n0 i meant the code < 1328396436 917369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you have stuff. < 1328396445 369133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean n to 1^n0 < 1328396450 403409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess codes cannot give you this < 1328396457 547341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1328396470 591276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't bother to make sense < 1328396471 130246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 1^a i mean a 1 digits < 1328396474 875048 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1328396483 433031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1328396495 661479 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :codes cannot give you the bijection i was asking < 1328396499 995898 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe they can < 1328396508 296046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have this weird feeling that compactness makes that hard < 1328396515 713600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you mean by "codes", here. < 1328396526 111477 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps because that would be a continuous bijection from N^N to 2^N < 1328396527 62982 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1328396543 244755 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean n is replaced by 1^n0 in its place and you concatenate into sequence < 1328396573 774244 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :codes mean that you have a language and you stick its words together to form longer words and you can always decode. < 1328396858 446671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2^N to [0,1), you just use binary except that you need to somehow distinguish ...011111111... form ...10000000... < 1328396884 976887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1328396912 757084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you could do by handling that slightly differently, say by prepending 0 to the whole number in one case and 1 in the other < 1328396927 802621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after the point) < 1328396931 87408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1328396964 32199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should do it < 1328396967 238371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait < 1328396976 110056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1328396995 169440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might _still_ not distinguish .0111111... from .100000... when it's at the very start < 1328397023 680712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1328397050 797739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah dunno, in any case once i realized codes prolly won't work i gave up. < 1328397069 85349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all a matter of fixing up a countable subset, anyhow. < 1328397088 99798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1328397091 710154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you have a continuous bijection from N^N to 2^N? < 1328397103 464059 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a code would in fact be a homeomorphism so that won't work < 1328397145 769261 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a prefix code would. dunno about crazy scientist codes. < 1328397165 461084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't there be a homeomorphism, hm < 1328397171 857149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1328397176 486601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :N^N isn't compact < 1328397184 491434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no N^N is the baire space < 1328397188 924884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very different from 2^N < 1328397213 964277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er it's product topology of discrete N's, no? < 1328397225 919527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1328397255 5758 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a baire space called the baire space < 1328397256 482781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well i dunno < 1328397256 635776 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328397267 803386 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-157.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1328397622 346090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no the version of Haskell that I have does not include the dropWhileEnd function < 1328397637 772731 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore I can include it directly in my program instead < 1328397703 330730 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked #math about the continuous bijection < 1328397734 598172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they asked me what the topology of N^N was. "the usual one" was apparently meaningless. < 1328397810 276117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't you allowed to hide things that a module does not export? That is one of my suggestion for a Haskell extension, which allows you to specify "hiding" on imports with things that are not exported by that module if you specify -XHidingNonexistent < 1328397854 151127 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1328397935 995858 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a blue card with an urza's block symbol? screw this Im not bothering to read it. its 5 stars, its broken, theres a zillion combos and it makes kids cry, right? im getting one. :)" < 1328397945 161236 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^some comment on Donate < 1328397986 484565 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donate? I know that card. < 1328398005 850959 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis a classic. < 1328398006 746206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reasonably infamous < 1328398007 688037 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so infamous about Urza? < 1328398021 380186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illusions of Grandeur is the /most/ infamous combo with it < 1328398022 138784 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes probably you can make many combos with it; at least, just from what I know about the text on the card itself; I read nothing else about it. < 1328398023 898228 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Utterly broken. < 1328398025 548675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember which was banned < 1328398048 573710 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: This is the set that gave us a land that gave you one mana for each artifact you control. < 1328398050 451817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, yes; I have not thought of that. < 1328398067 237526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or creature or enchantment... It was a set of 3) < 1328398086 968096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there were some artifacts costing 0 < 1328398111 570750 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Friday Night Magic thing at my school ... on Friday < 1328398133 17078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What formats did they play? < 1328398134 252599 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did a draft, I chose blue-green cards and someone helped me pare it down, he said to go monogreen so I did < 1328398139 857277 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It got upgraded from "broken" to "BROKEN" by Mirrodin, I'm sure. < 1328398151 368816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Mirrodin was broken enough by itself < 1328398161 898011 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, best two of 3 against .. persons < 1328398173 303481 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tended to play slowly, and time was at a premium :/ < 1328398174 654861 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. Makes sense that it made the previous utterly broken set even worse. :) < 1328398186 355337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcbound Ravager is a card that, where it's legal, people either play, or dedicate half their deck to beating < 1328398189 68528 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always prefer Limited format < 1328398198 366474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, in Limited format, nothing is banned. < 1328398213 812596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Arcbound Ravager. < 1328398221 247798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for cards you bring in which aren't the ones you drafted) < 1328398238 612378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I actually managed to pull off Coalition Victory wins twice in a Limited tournament < 1328398239 295725 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Isochron Scepter. < 1328398243 848938 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck where they *thinking* < 1328398249 912565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first time was hilarious, five monocoloured creatures, five different basic lands < 1328398262 41167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were general wtfs from around the table < 1328398277 756706 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not quite following this conversation anymore
< 1328398291 474028 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, I saw Coalition Victory < 1328398293 300583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you started it! < 1328398305 107807 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: magiccards.info will help < 1328398307 111093 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, but I'm not all that familiar with every single card < 1328398307 719130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's very much a Constructed card, people don't expect it in Limited < 1328398313 97334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you can look them up < 1328398321 372732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gatherer is the main resource, I think < 1328398329 67538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gatherer.wizards.com IIRC < 1328398337 872372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the "official" one < 1328398340 238908 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one's we're talking about are ones that most people who've been playing for a while will be aware of. < 1328398365 914745 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1328398382 288377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably most the problem is that Constructed tournaments are played with those cards, rather than the cards themselves; combos are more difficult to make in Limited so they require both more skill and more luck in order to make any combo at all < 1328398387 733091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, when talking about the most broken cards of all time, most people will have heard of them < 1328398392 204595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Necropotence, anyone?) < 1328398412 156117 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That SOB. < 1328398415 769801 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the card Necropotence. < 1328398442 383625 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's good about Necropotence? < 1328398452 663489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: pay life, get cards < 1328398456 671739 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe against a milling deck, but... hmm < 1328398468 327291 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *insanely* good card draw. < 1328398480 210295 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course is too bad if you use it too much; you will run out of cards or life or both < 1328398485 336996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of only eight cards that's restricted in Vintage < 1328398495 728460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and five of them form a cycle < 1328398507 290819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: pay 19 life, draw 19 cards, if you have a combo deck you've probably won < 1328398507 962805 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean, Mox Ruby, Mox Emerald, etc? < 1328398511 751382 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power Eight? < 1328398511 804430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1328398514 474130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes < 1328398521 238933 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And seven of them cost several hundred each. < 1328398530 101943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: which one doesn't? < 1328398532 249436 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's the eight cost? < 1328398547 28149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Necropotence. It was printed recently. < 1328398557 38085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1328398557 340529 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From The Vault: Exiled) < 1328398564 359269 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wikipedia says Power Nine < 1328398569 309629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another one's been banned? < 1328398572 407710 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that is a good point; still, you might lose especially depending on turn number and opponent's cards < 1328398578 101013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what are the three not yet mentioned? < 1328398580 619501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember
< 1328398580 829870 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's more than 8 cards restricted in Vintage... < 1328398597 735388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: are you confusing it with Legacy? or am I? < 1328398605 8852 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are. < 1328398616 372675 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire Power 9 is banned in Legacy. < 1328398625 140888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1328398640 878506 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legacy doesn't have a restricted list. < 1328398644 276432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and restricted in Vintage, right? < 1328398649 486681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I did get it right, I think < 1328398654 169455 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Constructed anyways, and in Limited nothing is restricted/banned, with the exception of ante and physical dexterity cards. < 1328398654 222635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I want to play Limited+Ante. < 1328398654 310410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the cards you drafted are put for ante < 1328398697 408881 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 43 Vintage restricted cards. < 1328398708 149289 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, Alpha cards are also banned in all formats (including Vintage) unless you have card sleeves. < 1328398708 680488 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDS < 1328398717 509694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, due to being marked. < 1328398731 765033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped playing because I didn't like /Lorwyn/, but I played it quite a bit before then < 1328398758 708265 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes Mox Lotus (yes, I know it can't be played in most formats)
< 1328398773 565665 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any somewhat easy ways to get the 15 mana? < 1328398794 440354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you badly need 15 mana, you can probably get it, but you're going to need to devote your deck to it < 1328398821 588975 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Play green. :) < 1328398832 993183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mox Lotus provides infinite mana, so... :) < 1328398865 457676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literally; it taps for {infinity}) < 1328398873 42171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1328398880 56954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the un-set mana-producer, isn't it? < 1328398883 154925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike many of the rules of the game; so, make up a new game with similar but different rules, different cards, and no Constructed formats. < 1328398884 259607 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1328398913 767109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A friend and I have been hashing out ideas for a Magic-alike for quite a while now. < 1328398948 400512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I had a really good /Time Spiral/ block combo deck that could beat many of the other good decks around then < 1328398953 614769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite possibly newer good decks too < 1328398959 244965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I have too; I will tell my ideas. We can make up stuff in this channel and so on. < 1328398964 60162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant for Standard, but nearly all the cards came from the same block < 1328398977 309912 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Among other things: all spells have power/toughness. < 1328398984 784117 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One doesn't counter spells, one deals damage to them. < 1328398990 673154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: sounds vaguely like the Normish card game < 1328398990 829961 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1328398993 127280 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, frankly, counterspell is utterly ridiculous. < 1328398993 180006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that never really got started < 1328399010 333349 :audy-!~audy@heyaudy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1328399023 858668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That wasn't my idea, but you can do that. I had different ideas (where there still is counterspells). < 1328399063 846042 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template for Lightning Bolt now reads: "Lighting Bolt. {R}. Sorcery. Flash. Lightning Bolt strikes target creature or player. 3/1" < 1328399093 682015 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* No Constructed formats. * No state-based effect telling you that a aura which is also a creature is discarded. * No rule that Lands are not played as other card types (it is unnecessary; they can't be played as other types without a mana cost). < 1328399100 119972 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1328399118 522373 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Another of my ideas was that instead of damage to "target creature or player" it targets "target permanent or player". < 1328399119 570214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if they get a mana cost from somewhere? < 1328399138 326148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then they can be played as other types. It is a different game! < 1328399139 300024 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1328399139 652542 :audy!~audy@heyaudy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328399139 839908 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-234-16.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328399140 917817 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1328399142 786442 :MDude!~fyrc@174.55.44.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1328399150 926152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't much like that as the typical burn spell. < 1328399162 512234 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But certainly "Strike target permanent." is neat. < 1328399186 600867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: but then you could use lightning bolt to blow up auras < 1328399189 954937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty non-red thing to do < 1328399191 393845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But, also in my suggestions, even though it says "target permanent or player", most permanents are unaffected by damage. < 1328399200 987544 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's a reason I say "not as the typical burn spell" < 1328399214 257954 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, my webpage is now complete up to MIBBLLII < 1328399224 102972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to add Luigi and Brook < 1328399232 739955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I can think of an effect that hits all of creatures, players, and auras anywhere in Magic < 1328399245 592875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, indeed, just both players and auras < 1328399247 910118 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{B}{B}{B} Sorcery. Strike target permanent. 1/1 < 1328399266 627554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here play Sopio? < 1328399267 641041 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strike? < 1328399271 668090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: would lands have 1 toughness? < 1328399277 162253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic lands, anyway? < 1328399281 850364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Your ideas sem good but is different game than mine < 1328399301 458873 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I invented that as a scheme for saying "This deals damage equal to its power" < 1328399322 745854 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mmmm, I'd be inclined to give basic lands higher toughness, and more powerful lands lower toughness. < 1328399327 780945 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Mana burn included. * Use TeXnicard, and possibly other program make open source rule enforcement programs. * Drawing a card when you are unable is an immediate loss, not a state-based effect. * Zones are now named as follows: hand zone, draw zone, discard zone, stack zone, in-play zone, exile zone. < 1328399335 581484 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, oh, you're talking about your own game? < 1328399382 71964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It feels like the difficulty of getting rid of a mana source should be inversely proportional to how good it is. < 1328399386 612441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1328399390 498876 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vandoorn.talktalk.net/esoteric/ < 1328399395 461183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah. < 1328399447 118590 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps give basic lands 2 or 3 toughness. And 0 power, of course. < 1328399544 37112 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Subtypes no longer depend on types (and there is no Tribal type). * Planeswalker are different, now count as players and permanents like my Playercard idea (also change the name to not confuse with "Plainswalk"). * Attack/block/combat damage is assigned and you can do stuff in between, but nonexistent sources never deal damage (even non-combat damage). < 1328399589 191729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "Plainswalk" is very rarely used just because it sounds too much like "planeswalker" < 1328399623 213551 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly WotC should print Nicol Bolas, Plains. < 1328399639 67548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a card with "Nicol Bolas, Plainswalk" < 1328399691 668156 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1328399726 680371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Conceding subgames is not allowed; only the main game can be conceded (although you are still allowed to do so during a subgame). * Every object has an initial state or a lack of it. * No state-based effect causing tokens out of play ceasing to exist (it becomes unnecessary; read ahead). < 1328399730 541438 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Although it was originally a joke, the mechanic was recycled completely seriously in the Time Travel-heavy Time Spiral block, albeit not for creatures.)" < 1328399734 782131 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds interesting < 1328399781 712836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1328399813 817807 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Objects moving between zones cease to exist (except for stack->play, play->phaseout, phaseout->play); a new object is created in the destination zone from the initial state of the old object. If it had none, nothing is created. * Copies of spells on the stack are also tokens. < 1328399857 382034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't a phased-out zone anymore. < 1328399883 101092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And objects moving between zones do effectively cease to exist, and you create a new object with the same state. < 1328399914 418502 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a few exceptions for particular, very odd things that only happen when you're playing with cards from Alpha) < 1328399954 707470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that, but I am doing a entirely different game, with entirely different cards and so on. So, it does use some old rules. < 1328399960 699637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some new rules. But not all. < 1328399990 294183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-194.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you realise that the current phasing rules are the first ones that have been simple enough to fit as reminder text, right? :)