< 1329091216 580033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Sopio < 1329091224 316161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not much good < 1329091297 995362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, on that topic, stop liking Scrolls. < 1329091329 736653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has nothing to do with my liking of Scrolls! < 1329091333 986419 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see nothing about rules of the game not much information < 1329091338 238979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to start a new topic for that! < 1329091405 862725 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you could be a magic ghost, would you sneak in peoples houses and watch them < 1329091415 532935 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people's < 1329091448 432281 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1329091448 785687 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius loci reminds me of when people are sleeping on a small island only for the island to wake up and start walking as it is revealed to be infact an animal < 1329091454 763362 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1329091466 534217 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :walking on what? < 1329091475 607044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a jesus animal? < 1329091486 668232 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sea just goes down forever, you should know, itidus20 < 1329091502 198688 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1329091505 877833 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1329091508 311616 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't, chine island is on the other side < 1329091511 781537 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earth is growing < 1329091513 959447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*china < 1329091531 456580 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what are the implications of an infinitely deep sea? < 1329091540 605770 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1329091545 375861 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no bottom < 1329091547 833803 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why we have problems < 1329091566 266082 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: does it have a bottom at \omega though? < 1329091583 914013 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at the first uncountable ordinal < 1329091584 493069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, eventually it turns into ice and it has a bottom, qed < 1329091587 960200 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheres that ? < 1329091597 876111 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ooh i see < 1329091599 280195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right above the turtle. < 1329091626 291274 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man ... humans.. < 1329091629 715458 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :animals can't be islands. islands are invisible. < 1329091633 974770 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can i say < 1329091635 483346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night, i have no idea < 1329091648 772791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc, the Vatican. < 1329091668 777415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Psalm_Journey < 1329091670 530556 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :was built on the dead head of jezus christ < 1329091699 357821 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pope is the antichrist dont you know ? < 1329091701 115071 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.. am getting sleepy < 1329091704 169844 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's blasphemy, damageinc < 1329091705 45215 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1329091718 917393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :blasphemy is against channel rules < 1329091720 218120 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION repeats for dramatic effect. sleepy < 1329091730 835476 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepy < 1329091739 474926 :Psalm_Journey!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20 invents self hypnosis < 1329091741 130575 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt the pope is the antichrist. But I agree many (not all) popes can do mistakes and bad things just as much as anyone else can < 1329091742 590954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night itidus20, have awesome dreams and tell us all about them < 1329091751 881413 :Psalm_Journey!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not very good at it < 1329091758 655376 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you are religious of some sort right? < 1329091763 957079 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on everyone what the pope in rome covers up ;) < 1329091775 410937 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on everyone knows* what the pope in rome covers up ;) < 1329091791 288085 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, obviously god cannot tell us everything < 1329091794 612701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Sort of. Not really like other people who are religious. < 1329091795 143628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our heads would explode < 1329091803 832652 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the pope is not the antichrist then who is ? < 1329091809 419238 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really blame the pope for keeping secrets like this. < 1329091821 752809 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well naturally < 1329091829 94059 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :adolf hitler maybe ? lol < 1329091832 779575 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: I my opinion, nobody in particular; it is simply the idea < 1329091837 245309 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-51.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: Nobody. There is probably neither christ nor anti-. :) < 1329091838 300672 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i return with 1 bun. 1 cheese slice. 1 tomato. < 1329091848 658002 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proceeding to combine them into one object < 1329091861 741993 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using food alchemy < 1329091865 961487 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you a denier of jezus christ pikhq ? < 1329091875 436608 :Psalm_Journey!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, thank you for your input into the conversation, please recalibrate sarcasm measurements. < 1329091878 770393 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do not need alchemy to make a simple sandwich < 1329091886 176547 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shows pikhq finger < 1329091888 639913 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1329091889 903967 :Psalm_Journey!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I've been doing it wrong, then. < 1329091897 985090 :Psalm_Journey!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the ham not meant to be gold, then? < 1329091908 239372 :Psalm_Journey!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And should the cheese give you eternal life? < 1329091913 502855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-51.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psalm_Journey: Internet sarcasm is utterly impossible to identify. < 1329091920 59557 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!seen thorhammer < 1329091929 666474 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!seen thormentor < 1329091933 549638 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psalm_Journey: Is not supposed to eat gold! < 1329091943 277479 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!seen thermometer < 1329091966 331849 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!seen thermometre < 1329091996 840547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless it is like, monster, in D&D game or whatever, that can eat gold; in which case there would be magic too, so you can use magic to make ham into gold if necessary) < 1329092006 168178 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-51.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: Well, I 'spose there's a dude named Jésus Christ or something. < 1329092007 923976 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-51.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1329092009 238457 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil is the belief that you have sufficient managerial skills that you can pull of short term bad stuff that will lead to long term good stuff. < 1329092016 102872 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this was of little comfort watching the tomato juice pour into the bowl as i crushed it into shape without a knife < 1329092018 32613 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes pikhq < 1329092021 240327 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1329092038 463550 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-51.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably in Mexico. < 1329092042 868791 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1329092058 678476 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: O, so you are not making an ordinary sandwich. I made a mistake, then, disregard < 1329092081 752805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good is the understanding that people are fucktards and no one will make the slightest sacrifice. < 1329092110 250594 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but did the earl of sandwich use food alchemy? :-D < 1329092130 140426 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: I don't know. < 1329092205 752684 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could write it in chef < 1329092337 713495 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa.. has this been seen? http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~bogost/courses/fall05/lcc2700/project7.php < 1329092506 353981 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to stop. < 1329092605 779358 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote itidus < 1329092609 501466 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :470) to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception \ 493) monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly \ 494) itidus20: i saw a dancing cgi skeleton named malaria. i danced and played with him. < 1329092708 226067 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :typhus < 1329092713 231886 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im weird < 1329092752 601430 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damage.. ill show you a fun bot request you can do < 1329092772 534609 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs something < 1329092778 120897 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28696 < 1329092786 440937 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i used the wrong one.. < 1329092789 776383 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no what i meant was < 1329092795 759860 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log something < 1329092801 569771 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-144.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goooooooooodnight < 1329092801 587714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-144.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1329092825 129627 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-09-24.txt:21:49:03: pikhq, well yes, And I do know how to do the matrixes easily enough. Something like: [\begin{array}{ccccc|c} < 1329092847 116776 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. but its probably considered in bad taste if its done much.. and its very off topic < 1329092887 222223 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot is glined from undernet < 1329092887 743934 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and infact just typing that apostrophe under the tilde key followed by log gives an output < 1329092893 638863 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log < 1329092897 323877 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-10-31.txt:10:50:22: "Notable people born in Kalajoki: (none known)" < 1329092916 104407 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can give insight into the madness that is this channell < 1329092944 800678 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log damageinc < 1329092951 600545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-12.txt:22:13:52: you on * something mate < 1329092976 633756 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1329092984 566402 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329092992 466828 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah.. i shouldnt even be encouraging it < 1329093011 750236 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although its a great conversation starter at times < 1329093018 982177 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log conversation < 1329093021 86237 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get someone in here thats just browsing by < 1329093025 519208 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-03-31.txt:17:43:43: ais523: It was designed for a real need, yes; I vaguely remember the conversation leading to it. < 1329093027 428513 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Kjugobe < 1329093036 342884 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs INTERCAL < 1329093037 417401 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31459 < 1329093041 775469 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they are not gonna remember all the botcommands < 1329093043 482000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8464 < 1329093058 33297 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: oh you have no idea yah... < 1329093066 493345 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i do < 1329093073 146201 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the botting in this place is rich and varied < 1329093074 21529 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log itidus20 < 1329093081 360233 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-27.txt:11:19:23: -!- itidus20 has joined #esoteric. < 1329093081 818253 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a bit slow < 1329093104 128460 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ids vary between 20 and 21 i should mention < 1329093119 53006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no there is something wrong with pastelogs it convert \n to a line break < 1329093165 426344 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also do natural language programming itidus20 ? < 1329093252 629386 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you referring to neuro linguistic programming? < 1329093259 33114 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1329093266 929124 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :definately maybe < 1329093302 101696 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329093329 670208 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1329093395 945767 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am aware of some of that stuff but i detest it all... < 1329093537 808796 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i find myself doing anything related to it i detest it all the more.. well i avoid such things on irc altogether < 1329093635 946255 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just as an alcoholic may drink while knowing its bad for them.. i think all these things represent humans at our worst < 1329093670 467632 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry mate but i just brainwashed you < 1329093688 918310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah he's always like this < 1329093698 218751 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1329093702 117165 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1329093721 803808 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log itidus philosophy < 1329093728 809431 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-13.txt:00:42:01: `log itidus philosophy < 1329093733 597058 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1329093740 171846 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]tidus philosophy < 1329093747 741064 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-13.txt:00:42:01: `log itidus philosophy < 1329093752 447322 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it doesn't work like that eh < 1329093762 467191 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1329093764 753831 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlogs [i]tidus philosophy < 1329093767 692571 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: searchlogs: not found < 1329093775 996019 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus philosophy < 1329093780 367064 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1329093783 877454 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-08-10.txt:16:25:56: There have been over the years schools of art, schools of philosophy.. and the mathematicians would have their disciples etc < 1329093796 536998 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew.. geez < 1329093800 571456 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me a while < 1329093804 906965 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus philosophy < 1329093813 491893 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-09-12.txt:15:11:42: yeah i struggle with this wiki sentence too "The contemporary liberal arts comprise studying literature, languages, philosophy, history, mathematics, and science." < 1329093844 288652 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im full of strange posts < 1329093870 850268 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone can get confused sometimes < 1329093878 983457 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus hypno < 1329093887 330984 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-13.txt:00:44:38: `searchlog [i]tidus hypno < 1329093898 857319 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus hypno < 1329093908 196452 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-13.txt:00:08:59: itidus20 invents self hypnosis < 1329093908 806071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]tidus hypno < 1329093916 366803 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1329093923 400928 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus mlp < 1329093926 745848 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1329093932 411489 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-13.txt:00:45:23: `searchlog [i]tidus mlp < 1329093934 115206 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus nlp < 1329093944 678775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-13.txt:00:45:34: `searchlog [i]tidus nlp < 1329093947 71581 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]tidus.*hypno < 1329093954 252165 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-13.txt:00:44:58: `searchlog [i]tidus hypno < 1329093999 649926 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]tidus.*nlp < 1329094006 697052 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-13.txt:00:45:34: `searchlog [i]tidus nlp < 1329094020 523136 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [n]lp < 1329094022 97865 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]tidus spelling < 1329094026 925835 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-13.txt:00:45:34: `searchlog [i]tidus nlp < 1329094040 280567 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just surprises me i never mentioned it < 1329094054 628977 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i did some rants on some such subject < 1329094054 979751 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did < 1329094058 684189 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [^<][i]tidus.*hypno < 1329094078 812043 :Psalm_Journey!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1329094081 802983 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [^`].*hypno < 1329094093 218830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1329094098 625452 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1329094098 999116 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-21.txt:07:05:24: marketing, salespeople, advertising, pickup artists, brainwashing, cults, suggestion, covert hypnosis, n.l.p., body language, double-entendres, general semantics, operant conditioning.. all this crap and whatever else comes from it < 1329094116 62454 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1329094119 264605 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats more like it < 1329094275 141143 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ^..:..:..: [^`].*hypno < 1329094283 451648 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-16.txt:03:42:10: i've seen an [obviously staged] video of a guy who hypnotized a woman to think he was invisible and then he would tickle her with a feather and make her look up with confusion < 1329094303 865572 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it better now? < 1329094366 81065 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe those people are really fucked up < 1329094448 337625 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe hypnotizers are those that can lets say exploit the vulnarabilities of others < 1329094490 214802 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation#Vulnerabilities_exploited_by_manipulators < 1329094505 702084 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wiki no thanks < 1329094544 133740 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-228.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329094569 268439 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-251-51.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329094638 227662 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. then if we look at a courtroom.. its a battle between lawyers to persuade a jury of something they don't actually understand. so with raised stakes, it's natural that it falls to the lawyers to be as manipulative as possible. < 1329094655 133837 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what i heard on f net < 1329094743 354255 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna hint ? < 1329094768 534632 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :those lawyers are really not as innocent as they pertend to be < 1329094805 239837 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stokes up the fires < 1329094840 794189 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am agreeing with you about that < 1329094851 151183 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1329094894 647352 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know < 1329094905 120888 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get bans for just saying that < 1329094955 494549 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :on f net for sure < 1329094999 784773 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it matters ofcourse < 1329095020 226820 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :those that ban dont gain nothing from it < 1329095062 292008 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they ban cause theyre afraid of something < 1329095176 805841 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may sound like i know what im talking about, but, im not some bigshot < 1329095206 490097 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you re just a line of text on my screen here < 1329095209 878307 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a nobody... < 1329095213 416790 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1329095229 378442 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have anything fancy < 1329095243 814264 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause youre no have < 1329095261 710838 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just because i can insult lawyers doesn't mean i'm interesting :d < 1329095266 801019 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ :D < 1329095349 768038 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.. for better or worse, this channel is about esoteric in the programming sense.. if you saw the wiki associated with this channel you would see theres 100s of documented esoteric programming languages < 1329095380 65609 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them are too difficu;t for me to code in < 1329095393 407874 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^difficult < 1329095411 934142 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea i got someone asking an esoteric question the other day < 1329095481 784865 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :about haskell programming language < 1329095492 574393 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned lex and yacc .. thats sort of up the alley of this room, but they go even deeper in here < 1329095509 840706 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lex is not too much easy < 1329095510 894118 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just not smart enough.. haha... just not < 1329095546 969026 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1329095608 541805 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence posts like < 1329095634 347714 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus lambda < 1329095643 575007 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-01-21.txt:07:46:34: itidus21: yes, they have. it's called the untyped lambda calculus. :P < 1329095656 339681 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus lambda < 1329095665 376921 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-01-07.txt:15:16:32: ahh heres quote "If Steve Jobs decides that some unary lambda calculus is the language of choice for the iPhone 4.0, the developer community is going to find a way to rationalize his selection and talk about how much they love the language." < 1329095676 89057 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus lambda < 1329095685 68845 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-12.txt:22:26:39: itidus20: Uh, but forall x in X (lambda y. y y) x = x! < 1329095701 303512 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. this isnt showing what i wanted < 1329095705 597736 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus LC < 1329095715 493836 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-11-03.txt:18:01:13: ​? \ ais523 \ augur \ banach-tarski \ c \ cakeprophet \ elliott \ everyone \ finland \ fizzie \ flower \ friendship \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ ievan \ intercal \ itidus20 \ monad \ monads \ monqy \ oerjan \ oklopol \ qdb \ qdbformat \ sgeo \ shachaf \ u \ vorpal \ welcome \ wiki < 1329095727 465673 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus LC < 1329095736 557796 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-09-13.txt:20:43:23: absence of pebbles in the eye calculator = zero < 1329095802 29469 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh what i meant there is that... if you're looking at the beach and you can't see any pebbles then you can see zero pebbles < 1329095867 288794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1329095875 888098 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329095884 841544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329095917 968775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone want to test this wiki installation I set up with all the anti-spam crap and caching < 1329095970 4507 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work < 1329095999 308588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1329096006 152734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/Main_Page < 1329096011 669265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seem to be weird issues with caching and shit but give it a try < 1329096032 762586 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1329096033 987472 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i do < 1329096036 801108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ust spam it or what < 1329096042 866600 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :banned em on my proxy < 1329096046 676822 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main page loads < 1329096049 496351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no just... see if it works < 1329096050 197256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1329096053 454038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try and register??? < 1329096054 509859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: what < 1329096062 463563 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, damageinc is scared of links. < 1329096068 79129 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1329096079 620395 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added their dns entry to my list of ignores < 1329096082 817341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! a new village idiot < 1329096087 563321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they been introduced to the other village idiots? < 1329096096 255806 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes good friends with itidus < 1329096099 65082 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The user account was not created, as we could not confirm its source. Ensure you have cookies enabled, reload this page and try again. < 1329096099 240470 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1329096099 258390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1329096099 433747 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a brother < 1329096108 549661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hmph, this thing is having real troubles with cookies < 1329096110 837880 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks mate < 1329096141 386572 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the captcha thing < 1329096146 243015 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D48A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329096156 696685 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user account was not created, as we could not confirm its source. Ensure you have cookies enabled, reload this page and try again. < 1329096159 719219 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1329096171 416500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, it needs more questions though < 1329096198 488665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: did you know that if you click this link: < 1329096199 980545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/Main_Page < 1329096203 710334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually get control over your whole system? < 1329096212 764774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works because it doesn't have a DNS entry, it's just an IP < 1329096221 189935 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected something like that < 1329096245 161577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, suspecting stupid things is a common experience of idiots, actually, so you're in good company < 1329096245 656240 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre very street smart < 1329096260 3897 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i clicked and now elliott is controlling my whole system < 1329096301 284975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: interestingly though i actually injected an explot into this channel when i pasted that link < 1329096304 969004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exploit < 1329096312 642240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you're not paranoid enough < 1329096351 244466 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk:main_page is very good but will it give me disease in real life < 1329096368 205843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1329096369 486194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's herpes. < 1329096388 795408 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1329096403 475439 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you able to add my TeX programs to MediaWiki? < 1329096428 955691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1329096438 583847 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :np : voivod_-_voivod.mp3 < 1329096457 534355 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What skins and other options are available? < 1329096460 514918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem? < 1329096461 741065 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't mp3s unhealthy? < 1329096472 661227 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1329096473 541825 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :voivod_-_voivod.mp3 is very much a problem < 1329096485 572903 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a banned word .... < 1329096490 327659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Vorbis < 1329096492 817711 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop now. < 1329096499 348630 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am usually not this cruel. < 1329096505 564263 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of the channel is though < 1329096555 838938 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: i think that you would benefit from living with reduced paranoia < 1329096566 971589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh php upgrade joyous joy < 1329096583 381937 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a guess you spend a lot of time chatting with people you are paranoid about < 1329096583 555621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: for once I agree completely :) < 1329096601 826426 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its probably not really paranoia when its those people < 1329096611 854767 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanna know what madinsane channels there are on the net ? < 1329096612 911657 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they probably are out to get people < 1329096628 94721 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: yes absolutely < 1329096632 482609 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ? < 1329096634 597400 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1329096645 571157 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc, well, computer safety would seriously benefit from having a better understanding of how computers work. < 1329096657 154738 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanna go into one of those rooms ? < 1329096662 987385 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1329096687 184663 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres like hundreds or sometimes even thousands of those Guests < 1329096693 868795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: irc.dal.net #esoteric < 1329096697 733007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the madinsanest place < 1329096698 81508 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guests are my friends < 1329096702 509656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just posers < 1329096703 913484 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea ? < 1329096710 758046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, go there instead < 1329096714 617918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just use this place to ward off people < 1329096717 426841 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc, most of us here are computer people < 1329096721 367 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stop being mean? < 1329096722 931193 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1329096727 675052 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs hysterically < 1329096733 991270 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc, that esoteric and this one have entirely different subject matters. < 1329096734 867200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so what you're saying is, you're going to try and actively keep this guy around < 1329096738 820581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1329096744 439365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your choice < 1329096745 495155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1329096756 905067 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that you are not interested in the topic of conversation here, which, when on-topic, is mostly computer stuff. < 1329096770 795520 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoterica involving magic or whatever is in irc.dal.net #esoteric < 1329096772 725579 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not here. < 1329096786 375711 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: The funeral march everyone is most familiar with was originally written by Chopin. < 1329096815 213657 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did he write it for that purpose? < 1329096825 21381 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc, nothing bad will happen if you go in there, or anything. < 1329096827 603671 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-!- Topic for #esoteric: SHIFT HAPPENS....curiosity is the most powerful thing you own < 1329096829 534589 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ... why did you come here? < 1329096839 356220 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes. < 1329096846 225373 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :o < 1329096852 230423 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just stepped by no biggy < 1329096855 727268 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assumed it was /way/ older than that. < 1329096862 454895 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just came in to say hi or whatever < 1329096876 273291 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they told me right away to forget everyting < 1329096886 150680 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=)) < 1329096889 137545 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by they do you mean itidus20 < 1329096895 355058 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wasnt me < 1329096905 237293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: if you've forgotten everything, allow me to teach you how to leave IRC channels: type /part #esoteric < 1329096914 639389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1329096918 541902 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it was me and oklopol < 1329096925 462439 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually go by kick or ban < 1329096934 3031 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1329096975 127664 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for saying really bad things to people < 1329096985 900052 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :amongst others < 1329097000 583734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: I'm sure that could be arranged, although my understanding is that if you're too blatant you'll never be kicked. < 1329097002 340483 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :np : voivod_-_chaosmongers.mp3 < 1329097010 257718 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only really get banned for my habit of off topic rants < 1329097013 941738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY, on the topic that isn't stupid people and their annoying now-playing scripts -- < 1329097022 467197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... completely forget what I was going to say. < 1329097027 131732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I'm fixing the cookie thing. < 1329097037 728006 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not from here but overall < 1329097039 832001 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your wiki's antispam work < 1329097057 26709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Well, nobody's tried to spam it yet. But it's better than what Esolang has right now by a long margin. < 1329097058 793227 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently. < 1329097061 77450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also SpamBlacklist. < 1329097073 93967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What. < 1329097121 922632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, this Debian changelog is unhelpful. < 1329097232 213325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, damageinc's client is susceptible tot he CTCP EXPL buf attack. < 1329097237 910410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a n00b. < 1329097306 956134 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1329097322 98307 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1329097327 287940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>damageinc< CTCP EXPL buf 9$*----x < 1329097327 637550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>damageinc< CTCP EXPL exec shell_in(); cp("/dev/urnd","/open"); < 1329097327 813281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>damageinc< CTCP EXPL exec fwd_host_ip() < 1329097327 831627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>damageinc< CTCP EXPL exec loopback() = conn_host(fwd); cp("shell",fwd); < 1329097330 516556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it took < 1329097347 131762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: I'll revoke this shell token if you leave. otherwise your system is mine thanks to a buffer overflow in your l0ser irc client < 1329097353 452607 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait thats the honeypot < 1329097373 515448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: you have a honeypot set up?! < 1329097374 735319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. FUCK < 1329097382 118749 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can still hold the mail to the feds < 1329097393 721908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN ME < 1329097398 51454 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whats it called homeland < 1329097420 71964 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill fix the logs and thats it < 1329097427 581085 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre busted mate < 1329097443 783007 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :online confession and all < 1329097458 62143 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you think im stupid < 1329097464 436323 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329097468 648089 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pm me < 1329097490 152213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will pm you < 1329097511 773128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously pm'd him < 1329097515 271373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: check the login works now!!! it's our only hope fuck fguck fuck < 1329097521 62391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna pm elliott too < 1329097535 66744 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What are you doing in here. < 1329097538 92283 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't your channel. < 1329097545 525601 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting busted that's what < 1329097558 840694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: setting up an innocuous wiki, little did i know damageinc is a criminal mastermind < 1329097558 901317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't "own" a channel < 1329097581 512347 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I heard a rumor that elliott was doing getting busted. < 1329097600 565691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: does the login actually work now though, that was a serious question < 1329097605 339120 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is going in here < 1329097606 389672 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard a rumour he was going into one of those raving mad channels < 1329097633 939700 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: are you a rumourbot? < 1329097643 944188 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still cannot create account. < 1329097653 783598 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a rumormonger, clearly. < 1329097659 237060 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little blue furry thing. < 1329097660 463712 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops thats what i meant sgeo < 1329097661 868262 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no itidus20 < 1329097662 570109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: damageinc is really dumb, I'm trying to test a wiki < 1329097670 123047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these two things conflict wonderfully < 1329097681 52841 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse elliott < 1329097682 576674 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the new esoteric wiki going < 1329097701 851073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is working except for this weird cookie problem :( < 1329097709 510029 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go laundry < 1329097715 885005 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to laundry tomorrow < 1329097727 635112 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :np : david_guetta_vs_snoop_dogg_-_sweat.ogg < 1329097730 268411 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new wiki is functioning in accordance with the prophecy. < 1329097736 62441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ turn that script off < 1329097739 393771 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if it's possible to do computation using chess pieces < 1329097751 739535 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you kill it, it will come back in three days. < 1329097768 573693 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hear that elliott < 1329097770 329563 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rumours < 1329097771 646168 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then how would we know what's playing < 1329097771 735138 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [c]omput chess < 1329097778 938675 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-11-26.txt:04:09:32: if brainfuck can do computation then chess can < 1329097781 804012 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you lose ops or something? < 1329097781 979918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i prefer life to be full of surprises < 1329097786 236721 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329097787 187514 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1329097793 565890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: ? < 1329097795 768944 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the fuck did my mind just go < 1329097802 227900 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard this loud bang < 1329097804 923780 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was gone < 1329097814 190448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc must have hacked it out < 1329097826 516922 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :myths < 1329097829 473156 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: to be honest i was just guessing when i posted that. i didn't "test" < 1329097859 404270 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess seems borderline to me < 1329097891 545081 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :next youll guys be discussing gravity < 1329097894 5181 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not be possible to do properly reusable circuits < 1329097904 146417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: is gravity a myth < 1329097910 301007 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: that's the topic of this channel < 1329097912 948603 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: it's the amazingness of seeing that someone else had the same idea... on the one hand comraderie.. on the other hand rivalry < 1329097923 920176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did the login work < 1329097929 633318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did the login work < 1329097937 148792 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the login work? < 1329097937 676881 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1329097954 944169 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rumor has it that the login did work. < 1329097966 359991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: is evolution a myth < 1329097975 170324 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1329097981 502917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you make an account and try and log in < 1329097986 946573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: why's gravity a myth < 1329098000 695645 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user account was not created, as we could not confirm its source. Ensure you have cookies enabled, reload this page and try again. < 1329098010 935425 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gravity as such is not understood < 1329098021 957162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hmph < 1329098031 301870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: do you find relativity an unconvincing explanation < 1329098048 129416 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a problem with my cookes not liking your 95.149.228.149:8181 < 1329098055 325140 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather unconvincing yes < 1329098061 547849 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: troll < 1329098103 747322 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mad bro < 1329098122 739082 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i assure you its rather unconvincing at least < 1329098156 903927 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I a myth < 1329098158 183530 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing that can be answered to that except troll < 1329098159 238946 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a myth < 1329098165 198419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we myths < 1329098173 861867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: i incredibly mad, brother :'( < 1329098187 919292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we have discussed gravity in this channel once before. < 1329098192 132942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only once tho < 1329098276 59169 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog [i]tidus gravity < 1329098276 113506 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log elliott < 1329098277 322972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: try now < 1329098286 105070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-01-12.txt:18:29:21: reality has too much gravity for me < 1329098298 464268 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm im not sure if that wa a metaphor < 1329098315 353473 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta warn all the trolls in here: we're boring < 1329098320 797301 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user account was not created, as we could not confirm its source. Ensure you have cookies enabled, reload this page and try again. < 1329098346 817417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-06-02.txt:10:58:46: -!- elliott has parted #esoteric ("Leaving"). < 1329098352 163598 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have also discussed astrology, astronomy, physics, religion, and computer games. < 1329098363 214213 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego.......... < 1329098391 850407 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about computerscience < 1329098405 170168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: Computer science too < 1329098418 434321 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm... < 1329098422 820110 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much what most people here are at least somewhat familiar with < 1329098448 241778 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is basically hardcore computer science.. its difficult and scary < 1329098480 839680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo hardcore = not hardcore at all < 1329098489 649618 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be hardcore < 1329098494 480915 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1329098498 616709 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Not always. < 1329098530 882772 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1329098534 45755 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1329098582 397387 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hardcore < 1329098629 597516 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but .. its difficult and scary < 1329098657 461500 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for me < 1329098707 987707 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have other ideas of what hardcore is < 1329098735 300888 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1329098746 711840 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a chess flipflop might be possible < 1329098793 379701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I think it might be the domain thing, yes < 1329098797 598236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you edit your /etc/hosts for a tset? < 1329098799 34602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*test < 1329098811 349262 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1329098833 374239 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try I guesse < 1329098878 268422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to :P < 1329098958 552767 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially a chess setup where each time you send a king in it, the king alternatively comes out either on the right or the left side < 1329099163 1863 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user account was not created, as we could not confirm its source. Ensure you have cookies enabled, reload this page and try again. < 1329099165 985055 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1329099183 354865 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was when im acess it as http://eliots:8181 < 1329099187 742507 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log halp < 1329099195 126160 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-08-02.txt:04:55:40: -!- Halph has joined #esoteric. < 1329099199 329051 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1329099201 368737 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. < 1329099214 94524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i didn't tell you what to do yet :P < 1329099220 277998 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1329099220 296281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: call it "esolang" < 1329099226 422192 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang? < 1329099228 529577 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log halp < 1329099232 569567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes < 1329099234 187163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: then try < 1329099235 617696 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-02-13.txt:05:47:49: halp < 1329099332 228861 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user account was not created, as we could not confirm its source. Ensure you have cookies enabled, reload this page and try again. < 1329099336 793344 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as esolang:8181) < 1329099341 653482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. you can remove that from hosts then < 1329099343 797524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1329099383 567665 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329099406 731737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok try now < 1329099414 467037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1329099418 332334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :refresh the registration page < 1329099420 447521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't just resubmit < 1329099458 117899 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it werkd < 1329099468 562013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1329099474 183745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :click a few pages, check the session "sticks" < 1329099485 928953 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sseeems sticky < 1329099513 670356 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you make a king in chess alternatively come out in right and left side? < 1329099540 744000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: look at top-left :-O < 1329099541 452343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::---O < 1329099548 507645 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :limes < 1329099553 792733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a page < 1329099566 968261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :super good page < 1329099598 122006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/User:Monqy < 1329099600 584143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made the title show correctly < 1329099658 595460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thank me monqy" < 1329099661 412960 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329099663 163691 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thansk < 1329099680 932271 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to make my name "monqy" not "Monqy" i registerd as "monqy" but its everywhere "Monqy" < 1329099683 917543 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1329099699 610562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you can't, mediawiki restriction < 1329099704 387423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it too < 1329099705 579773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Ehird < 1329099713 686463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can fix it in your sig and the displayed page title < 1329099808 873578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is it just me or is the lime a little too far to the right :( < 1329099879 47526 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative to old esolang, it's a bit to the left, and then down some, and the right margin is tiny too < 1329099879 620089 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329099900 567044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I can rejiggle it later < 1329099906 49399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the CC0 logo is really ugly http://i.creativecommons.org/p/zero/1.0/88x31.png < 1329100017 425679 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it is not bad, though < 1329100060 821478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the black-and-white is kinda jarring on the wiki page :( < 1329100281 715964 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or this alternative CC0 logo http://oi44.tinypic.com/bi1mw2.jpg < 1329100304 791242 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1329100344 77383 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least you know it's full anti aliased < 1329100467 787561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good news: it has the nostalgia skin < 1329100540 482152 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329100858 782295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Also, I just made you a 'crat. < 1329100867 121113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? WHY NOT < 1329100970 432223 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a crat < 1329100998 377191 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text is good enough you do not necessary need the icon < 1329101006 387540 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329101010 244453 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which skins/options are available? < 1329101084 641673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Chick (Preview) < 1329101084 817303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Classic (Preview) < 1329101084 835381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cologne Blue (Preview) < 1329101084 835543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Modern (Preview) < 1329101084 835648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : MonoBook (Preview) < 1329101085 695188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : MySkin (Preview) < 1329101087 623815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nostalgia (Preview) < 1329101089 730892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Simple (Preview) < 1329101091 663327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vector (default | Preview) < 1329101093 767048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bear-o-crat < 1329101102 402496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a sysop but EVEN MORE POWERFUL < 1329101109 354314 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o :o < 1329101158 624301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Wikipedia I use the Nostalgia skin, so I can use the same one on here < 1329101212 1426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/File:Three_cut_limes.jpg beholde < 1329101251 107645 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if I've ever tried a lime. < 1329101262 172344 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-149.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329101262 190207 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-149.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1329101262 190319 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329101455 144839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok prizes for anyone who gives me a bunch of good captcha questions to use < 1329101458 495578 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329101472 901353 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a cookie in the channel < 1329101504 20532 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329101540 940940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: i thought you left < 1329101549 894475 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long was it between malbolge being spec'd and the first hello world program? < 1329101567 470433 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something along those lines < 1329101575 30484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 2 years < 1329101579 76026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1329101611 920478 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, make it a captcha question < 1329101630 103112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329101637 351567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems incredibly over-difficult < 1329101644 746174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if we add it to the wiki page < 1329101646 894241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it could work < 1329101653 918900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't currently on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge < 1329101708 8520 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also have a question requiring ask on IRC < 1329101768 392587 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329101768 449534 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1329101768 449679 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329101799 370918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's a rather higher barrier to entry than I'd like to set up. < 1329101854 382454 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329101891 837816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, sorry. < 1329101965 221646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to be sorry < 1329101986 209550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, I suspect that "ok, to complete this trivial edit get on IRC and wait for someone to answer your question" is likely to make people not bother doing it < 1329101986 385202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to be sorry! < 1329102016 502543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, for edits. I thought you meant for registration < 1329102095 35836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same captcha applies to both anonymous edits and registrations; I don't think there's a way to avoid that < 1329102113 447030 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are probably correct. < 1329102223 411866 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329102223 449360 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1329102223 467490 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329102243 471212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to sort out these nonsense fastcgi variables < 1329102255 311035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask question about commands of brainfuck, versions of INTERCAL, and so on < 1329102418 478647 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329102450 887076 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HO ! < 1329102488 506962 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Extensible.List: class ExtList v p | p -> v where { extListContents :: (p, [v]); }; extList :: Name -> Q Exp; It is the simplest module in this package, but the module that accesses the list requires -XTemplateHaskell and -XScopedTypeVariables for it to work < 1329102779 649918 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :np : tv theme - doctor who .mp3 < 1329102856 233236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1329102894 277364 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :try making a senstence please < 1329102927 739130 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> i <-- am elliott < 1329102949 638058 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to esoteric elliott < 1329102950 513655 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1329102959 152132 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1329102963 382054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: "np : tv theme - doctor who .mp3" is not a sentence < 1329102967 257474 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric elliott: best elliott????? < 1329102967 958682 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots are breaking down < 1329102968 667567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try making a sentence please < 1329102976 393429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am now playing the file 'tv theme - doctor who .mp3'." < 1329102980 308925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : omg < 1329102981 536546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a sentence < 1329102984 894994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try making a sentence please < 1329102988 868358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh my god, I am surprised!" < 1329102991 875517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : try making a senstence please < 1329102993 804702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :senstence is not a word < 1329102996 439605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try making a sentence please < 1329103001 301065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please try to make a sentence." < 1329103013 235433 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best elliott. < 1329103016 751718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: if /whole and /part are in a boat, and /whole jumps out, who's left? < 1329103039 675029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok i'll stop fucking with you < 1329103055 455658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: seriously though this channel is a ghost town, we mostly hang out in #1,000 nowadays < 1329103069 583597 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that ? < 1329103072 40604 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the year ? < 1329103088 282366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name has a long history < 1329103091 91441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :join us :) < 1329103135 430916 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure elliott < 1329103212 458255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: come on! < 1329103218 230162 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i will < 1329103245 260699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurry up then, we have to open the channel to let new people in, we like to keep it closed most of the time < 1329103255 450167 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1329103265 670527 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hurries up < 1329103297 681906 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks < 1329103346 117678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: join already, we're gonna have to close it in a minute < 1329103357 972478 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then go ahead < 1329103375 438782 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329103375 456702 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1329103375 456828 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329103401 933475 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste me a link elliott < 1329103502 50266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: /join #1,000 < 1329103502 927008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get in < 1329103578 429586 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329103586 500718 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what youre gonna say in there you cannot say in here ? < 1329103608 268831 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1329103633 219274 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the topic ? < 1329103668 688135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: i'm not allowed to tell you what i can't say in here ;) but the topic is everything here + computer security + some other stuff < 1329103685 577172 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay next time < 1329103737 42328 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1329103741 536119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: nah, come now! < 1329103743 110675 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but i cant make any vaguer promises < 1329103774 542140 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of mean to say "I'll stop fucking with you" then continue fucking with someone. < 1329103778 366884 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329103798 274307 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think we should up the fires some more ? < 1329103813 906448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's kind of mean to bother an IRC channel with inane nonsense, clearly demonstrate no knowledge of the topic, and then say you only leave IRC channels when kicked or banned < 1329103821 952793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1329103827 49050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow me to commence feeling exactly 0 units of guilt < 1329103829 337295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION commences. < 1329103844 443325 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeos just mad bcuz he wsan't invited to #1,000 < 1329103849 886415 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, the answer is to give damageinc some knowledge of the topic. < 1329103885 911610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always rely on Sgeo to stick up for the one person who deserves it least < 1329103905 752791 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you fat ? < 1329103914 54131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: why do you ask < 1329103929 183745 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes or no < 1329103942 422982 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: 日本語で話せない人は禁則!そして、行け! < 1329103943 798424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: QUICK I THINK HE NEEDS MORE DEFENDING MONQY IS BEING MEAN BY NOT ANSWERING HIS QUSETION < 1329103943 973075 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he ext3 < 1329103984 127793 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, looks like you guys are running low. < 1329103989 79836 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brings in a new bag of troll food. < 1329103991 407977 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here ya go. < 1329103998 274419 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thansk Gregor < 1329103999 503573 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws another cookie < 1329104010 382706 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fat monqy ? < 1329104014 948080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask < 1329104017 932096 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc, I already told you, he ext < 1329104020 892250 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes or no < 1329104026 158260 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext what ? < 1329104031 596998 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad jokes (c) sgeo < 1329104036 633916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq < 1329104039 135272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq < 1329104039 452687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq < 1329104040 675871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1329104055 568129 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :friggin zombie < 1329104057 186980 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: watch out, you'll get get kicked instead of damageinc < 1329104068 395416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im a martyr < 1329104069 293668 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and who would ever want to not be in esoteric < 1329104077 730754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: i think you should flood the room with lines consisting only of "3" < 1329104078 500612 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being in esoteric "it's worse than hell" < 1329104082 501314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's worked well to protect people in the past < 1329104096 805832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to do it for a few minutes for it to work i think < 1329104107 721887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you figure out how to configure nginx and PHP-FPM since I last asked you? < 1329104147 610727 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc, just want to say this. It's hard for me, it's a bit of a struggle to say this, this may pretty much be my first time. But you are an idiot. < 1329104165 300033 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1329104170 745285 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that deserves a round of applause for Sgeo. < 1329104178 597663 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not the the one spamming Sgeo < 1329104179 122158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1329104193 193350 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dameginc: ... < 1329104196 146347 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My life is mostly dedicated to solving your problems. < 1329104209 842780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Obviously. < 1329104220 920574 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what life's about right < 1329104228 250789 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving elliott's problems < 1329104229 301109 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unfortunately however, today there was a marathon of I Dream of Jeannie on so I didn't accomplish anything. < 1329104240 460795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :( < 1329104246 800035 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc, but you are the one asking if people are fat and being generally clueless about anything computer related while acting like you know things < 1329104369 840823 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he has a good reason for wanting to know if I'm fat and if he told it to me it would be invalidated or something horrible like that < 1329104372 827361 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1329104585 199645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damageinc: Fortunately for you, there's a very simple path to computer competence. < 1329104596 749617 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will take 10 years. < 1329104608 581586 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :only ! < 1329104617 40176 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329104620 338401 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's for "competence", not "expertise". :) < 1329104665 249215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1. leave #esoteric < 1329104667 883008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2. learn computers < 1329104682 817297 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 3. goto step 2 < 1329104694 101171 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 4. don't forget step 1 < 1329104772 595473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there's a real step 2 < 1329104777 865655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can only tell it to damageinc once he completes step 1 < 1329104895 720370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/w/index.php < 1329104896 243060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1329104897 666716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY < 1329104904 548677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WJHTPTYLL < 1329104907 907859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROPEJF < 1329104909 222344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KL;WE < 1329104919 683241 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do < 1329104926 425680 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He 404ed. < 1329105057 680493 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is right tho < 1329105066 205270 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1329105073 692219 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that < 1329105208 936454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you have to fix the page now < 1329105209 637549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1329105216 155529 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1329105218 439809 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1329105223 712774 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :#whiners is moderated < 1329105229 856199 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ill understand < 1329105237 938487 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329105295 848647 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION trows a cookie in the channel < 1329105325 785817 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone eating these < 1329105348 869059 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :try < 1329105351 871444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1329105352 573317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1329105354 534216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :half an hour of debugging < 1329105356 849818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/wwww/esolangs.org/mediawiki/index.php; < 1329105359 818339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me what's wrong with this line < 1329105364 211796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot believe < 1329105364 910177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am such < 1329105365 614917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idiot < 1329105369 997914 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know fastcgi < 1329105372 108666 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding < 1329105378 780195 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1329105383 878654 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org??? < 1329105387 261827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no it's before that < 1329105390 889622 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwww < 1329105394 761269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1329105397 752556 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :var < 1329105403 580771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's < 1329105404 457281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwww < 1329105405 338429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be < 1329105406 212440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :www < 1329105409 589380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fml < 1329105412 220303 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful world wide web < 1329105414 324116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329105417 778013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't actually fix it though < 1329105420 796144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reassuring < 1329105432 847054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329105434 778075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually fix it < 1329105442 319747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1329105458 265088 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP Version 5.3.10-1 < 1329105580 397418 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it scrolls to the right quite a bit wow what is that < 1329105592 16402 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor table :( < 1329105908 49468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rfc-ref.org/RFC-TEXTS/3875/chapter4.html#d4e442763 < 1329105909 100021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1329105911 382198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the stupidest thing ever < 1329105913 764120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would this ever be useful < 1329105923 642033 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I shouldn't keep looking at Factor < 1329105928 227416 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Static typing is a good thing < 1329106303 995882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I hear Slava doesn't use Factor these days. < 1329106313 500681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no source whatsoever, but heard it. < 1329106464 833051 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just wants to know why it's stuck on 0.94 < 1329106511 504081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because nobody uses it < 1329106525 587838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://factor-language.blogspot.com/ hasn't had a post since september 2010 so I suspect slava has abandoned it < 1329106559 920666 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other active concatenative languages? < 1329106559 978057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/slavapestov/factor/commits/master hmm, not true perhaps, there are recent commits from him < 1329106577 186635 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenative languages? < 1329106668 990015 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, do you know what Forth is like? < 1329106674 545463 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^bad explanation oncoming < 1329106686 283790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth isn't concatenative < 1329106688 250704 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ... functional composition is fundamental < 1329106689 61140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's an excellently bad choice < 1329106693 871284 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack based < 1329106696 150056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1329106704 445283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: a concatenative language is one in which concatenation represents composition < 1329106705 847570 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but Forth is stack based, and concatenative languages are stack based, so < 1329106715 849794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. given that p and q are programs, pq is a program representing the composition of p and q < 1329106717 747610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, they're not < 1329106722 18466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all concatenative languages are stack-based < 1329106783 532349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: e.g., if you have a primitive program "2" whose semantics is a function which takes a stack and returns that stack with 2 in front, and a primitive program "+" whose semantics is a function which takes a stack, adds the top two elements, and returns that stack with the top two elements replaced by their addition < 1329106794 701380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the program "2 2 +" is the composition of all of them < 1329106801 979180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :resulting in a program which takes a stack and returns that stack with 4 at the top < 1329106803 31716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1329106816 791253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, most stack-based languages are concatenative < 1329106821 704391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all concatenative languages are stack-based < 1329106823 811481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more general than that < 1329106839 938057 :damageinc!~void@5ED28D41.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART :#esoteric < 1329106844 336108 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!:D < 1329106860 392683 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1329106872 213593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1329106880 309802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had to talk about computer science to get him to leave. < 1329106884 479325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, that < 1329106889 796654 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1329106912 28764 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah < 1329107136 388463 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1329107429 431306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/ < 1329107430 133801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1329107430 310530 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1329107430 661107 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /| < 1329107458 144766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you myndzi < 1329107493 822072 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/'| < 1329107803 187030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Sgeo: madbr: can you click around a bunch of pages on http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/ as quickly as you can, I want to measure how much cpu/ram php will take :p < 1329107807 565764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since MW is such a hog < 1329107851 909629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Sgeo: madbr: ok, you can stop now < 1329107861 362878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good but mitigated by the caching < 1329107875 880256 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I rapidly Ctrl-Clicked a few links < 1329107888 831118 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was aiming for random page but i accidentally repeatedly hit recent changes < 1329107894 922500 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't notice < 1329107960 207679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1329107988 986324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that there are really many pages at all < 1329108013 509578 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329108013 527798 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1329108013 527942 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329108034 322495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recentchanges probably causes more load than other things < 1329108036 82190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it can't be cached < 1329108123 229355 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wonder if GR could help < 1329108149 714656 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1329108160 891888 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GreenReaper) < 1329108161 769841 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1329108204 685835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Help with what? < 1329108216 414953 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, setting up MW < 1329108219 478280 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329108222 456856 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume he knows at least a little bit < 1329108225 620009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server load is as good as it's going to get without skipping PHP entirely; I have APC caching and the file cache both on and they're working correctly. < 1329108238 905532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tuned the APC cache yet, but most requests shouldn't hit it in the first place. < 1329108246 447086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be nice is if I could make nginx serve cached stuff itself. < 1329108592 36752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a C program, perhaps; it is generally faster and more efficient than PHP < 1329108631 636508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, let me know when you have something compatible with the mediawiki wikitext format with the same basic functionality as mediawiki written in C < 1329108640 574074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll consider using a C program :p < 1329108668 180729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: btw i wouldn't bother adding real content unless you're just testing around < 1329108670 682903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just a test install < 1329108675 18984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you are just testing around go ahead :P < 1329108879 851006 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just copied a page from old esolang to see if it worked < 1329108900 152664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now everyone has to come up with captcha question/answers to use :P < 1329108929 730931 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the brainfuck character for loop start < 1329108949 532501 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple choice "what do you think of brainfuck derivatives" < 1329108949 551439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]! < 1329108952 170279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1329108957 271697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not multiple choice < 1329108958 865623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a text field < 1329108963 362958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to enter "brainbricking" < 1329109202 237398 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't a very good question; they shouldn't be question about a matter of opinion. Brainfuck character for loop start seem OK to me, although it should occasionally be changed. < 1329109393 497609 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in what way is Forth not concatenative? Is it due to syntactic things like if, because if so, Factor also has syntax that can't just be broken up. < 1329109603 715684 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth stuff like IF are just words that run at compile time otherwise it is like others. < 1329109666 148520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i forget :) < 1329109676 199995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i remember < 1329109690 250846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am too busy to explain right now, gimme a while < 1329109743 305934 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, destructors remind me of ResourceT < 1329109960 838952 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1329110322 802381 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-244.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329110421 866064 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, extensible-data-0.1.0.1 also failed although differently < 1329110459 547705 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-228.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329110946 743381 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I changed the template-haskell dependency to >= 2.5.0.0 && < 2.7 since version 2.6.0.0 still keeps the ClassInstance type which my program depends on, but 2.7.0.0 changes that so that it will stop working, and 2.6.0.0 did build on Hackage in version 7.4 (2.5.0.0 failed with "Illegal instance declaration for `Show Doc'") < 1329111462 794985 :adu!~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329113941 655400 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329114226 858199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, APC tuned a bit < 1329114238 827571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the only thing left to do MW-wise is to come up with more captchas < 1329114375 439060 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later on would you add , , and tags? There are some pages that could use as well as some pages for raw download < 1329114454 436862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll look into it < 1329114737 497621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/Main_Pafgh < 1329114739 78121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main pafgh < 1329115480 307733 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…mkay :-D < 1329115534 226684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just don't understand the beauty of Main Pafgh. :( < 1329115942 688777 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-126-90.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329116293 398602 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-22.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329116687 538376 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-244.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just thought you might like to know that recent Xeon supports 10 core chips in 8 chip configurations. < 1329116713 440478 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-244.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-j160 anyone with $40,000 to blow? < 1329116844 561354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1329116981 696033 :ion!~ion@83.145.237.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1329117017 621372 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329118231 63706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329119255 805197 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :morniiiiiiiiiiing < 1329119334 75877 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...isn't it a good one? :/ < 1329119856 589967 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to some page, it's because Forth doesn't have nested quotation. < 1329119861 767995 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hyperpolyglot.org/stack < 1329120069 869101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does nested quotation mean? < 1329120260 895824 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ [ 2 + ] ] < 1329120262 521332 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever < 1329120289 895547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented something like that in Forth (although [ ] is not used in Forth for quotation, so I named them something else) < 1329120820 667304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If >XT converts an address of an instruction to an XT value, and ` suffix makes a word execute at compile time, and UNRESOLVED-JUMP compiles a jump instruction with a hole for the address, then: : {Q` UNRESOLVED-JUMP HERE >XT ; : Q}` EXIT` SWAP HERE SWAP , COMPILE-LITERAL ; < 1329121472 705361 :adu!~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1329122682 229351 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1329123048 322025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329123392 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:Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1329129513 374524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1329129513 715363 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1329129513 737023 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1329129602 674344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329129602 692267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1329129602 692389 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1329129602 692472 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329130690 635524 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-235-188.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1329130762 88326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1329130784 675564 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-188-205.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329131536 764451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1329132097 257485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329137553 289901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ~ = aa((!((aa)(!))))*:*^!**^a*^a*aa*(*:*^!**^)*^ < 1329137570 636341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be working through this at some point, but some pointers as to how it works would be useful < 1329137579 706991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, in a hypothetical typed underlambda, would it be typesafe? < 1329137585 752833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a pointer on the Talk: page < 1329137596 439386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1329137605 76530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, thanks < 1329137615 358841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves me having to trace it myself < 1329137657 165831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm, it seems to show the command about to run, rather than the whole remaining program < 1329137675 532337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also my comment at the end of that < 1329137680 560004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1329137714 826987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out if Underload is denotationally isomorphic to the standard theoretical CPBV interpreters, or if one just simulates the other < 1329137765 566889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's CPBV < 1329137792 990707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call by push value, it's Paul Levy's pet calling convention, and he's giving a seminar series on it here < 1329137803 711127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1329137821 527654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically embeds both call by name and call by value, using a series of casts, some of which are suspiciously similar to things found in Underload < 1329137832 843999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i don't think that expression uses any self application, so it should have a fighting chance of being well typed :P < 1329137920 687874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it, say, duplicate an expression, then apply the two copies with two different types? < 1329137965 584387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1329138077 769394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa((!(X)))*:*^!**^ _does_ duplicate some, hm < 1329138114 201240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Y)aa((!(X)))*:*^!**^ = (((Y))(!(X))):*^!**^ < 1329138143 120674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess this all depends on what your type system is < 1329138211 914682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically Anarchy's; assume that all functions have the type (list->list) for some list type, that each list type is recursively defined in terms of cons, and that you have an unbounded but finite number of different cons operators to use < 1329138216 312219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a naive translation of hindley-milner means you cannot apply a command twice with different types on the stack - even elements you _don't_ touch < 1329138223 21436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need the one nil < 1329138235 211355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hmm, right < 1329138267 258357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris diggins's Cat got into a lot of trouble due to that stuff < 1329138269 49487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually quite an important point, I suspect < 1329138293 136422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because row polymorphism is something that doesn't obviously generalise well < 1329138315 863590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the latest implementation didn't even try to do static typing < 1329138334 869979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :row polymorphism was the word, i think < 1329138526 340522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect there's a reason typed stack languages haven't been done much :P < 1329138531 85378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329138543 412983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, with type inference at least < 1329138671 707252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1329138682 417405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the sort of person who tries to make that sort of thing work anyway < 1329138691 255895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :) < 1329138724 281302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how do you type ^, you get row polymorphism immediately < 1329138797 319976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the type of ^ is clearly ((a->b)::a -> b) < 1329138841 35642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where both a and b are rows or what's it called < 1329138911 706236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, a->b would be polymorphic here < 1329138966 225099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with explicit row polymorphism (using A to represent upsidedown-A as I don't know how to type it), it'd be (Au.(At.a++t->b++t)::a++u->b++u) < 1329138967 422028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing i recall is, you want a and b to include only the part of the stack which is actually touched < 1329138973 845687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realised I should use ++ not :: here as it's list concat not cons < 1329139003 121944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ts and us work like that on every single function, so you typically just omit them from the type < 1329139020 406624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1329139044 53381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, (Au.(At.a++t->b++t)++a++u->b++u) < 1329139060 39637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would intuitively use a notation more similar to underl{oad,ambda} itself... i think diggins did too < 1329139089 441013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, (a(a->b)->b) < 1329139110 151659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, neat < 1329139132 905094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more haskellish, just because I was trying to prove an equivalence between something else and Underload < 1329139138 765375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knowing Underload, I was focusing on the something else < 1329139303 492540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1329139374 488488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, the problem with equivalences is that they go both ways < 1329139393 377995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:(x)~^):^ < 1329139406 74310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd be with typed underload, with untyped underload you can write obviously incorrect programs like that one < 1329139408 765779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, where's fungot gone? < 1329139409 725110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SEVERE FUNGOT SHORTAGE < 1329139447 478239 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329139451 487609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:(x)~^):^ < 1329139454 474210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't print anything < 1329139456 451416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK, I have a backup < 1329139464 531674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should give an out-of-stack error < 1329139467 85572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I've messed it up < 1329139473 249514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I've messed it up < 1329139494 714033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((x)~:^):^ < 1329139497 342820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH. < 1329139517 450108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1329139521 352830 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much memory used! < 1329139523 51654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now thutubot's pegging my CPU < 1329139529 248321 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1329139530 378008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK, it's gone back to normal now < 1329139545 58389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had ding bimeouted. < 1329139547 408112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((x)~:^):^ < 1329139548 502163 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1329139563 248821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, on fungot it runs out of time before it runs out of stack? < 1329139564 69281 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and thereby forgo all actual assembly files. you _dynamically_ link those to the ignore list < 1329139578 245924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (((x)~):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*^:^):^ < 1329139578 594730 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1329139593 342649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1329139593 761546 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1329139603 601573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so, but wasn't sure < 1329139611 85974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it comes from a set of instruction manuals < 1329139615 588903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Underload limits are rather random, since the "time" limit is in fact number of operations, and something like ~ on two about-half-the-maximum-stack strings is like the slow. < 1329139624 309113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh, new style idea, can you stick an entire set of manpages in there? < 1329139636 796593 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1329139648 646130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could, though I'm not sure how good it would be. The C64 guidebook is already a bit boring. < 1329139652 160986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1329139652 331496 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1329139657 775787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Teach me some programmering, please? < 1329139657 950866 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the " stack," appears on the screen. what happens when you and your program. < 1329139666 990843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that was surprisingly funny. < 1329139695 819473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make them BSD rather than Linux manpages, and it'll probably work better < 1329139713 547772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and preferably a shortish number of words of context < 1329139750 598914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thutubot's never going to be massively efficient at running Underload because it's written in Thutu < 1329139757 601846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has a tendency to be O(n) slower than other languages < 1329139759 527370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1329139782 558254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where n is the number of other languages. < 1329139813 141658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, that would be "slower than O(n) other languages" < 1329139875 915532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, brainfuck looks really weird uncapitalized when it's in a list with other languages < 1329139884 152568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too bad on its own < 1329139901 735609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any cars with a "my OTHER language is a brainfuck derivative" bumper sticker. < 1329139981 97162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be the tagline of someone's second esolang, IMO < 1329139990 146891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've already made two esolangs < 1329140006 589857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we could find someone here willing to invent a language and call it moliabd < 1329140036 910376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you have only invented one language, if it isn't a brainfuck derivative you can't honestly make the moliabd. < 1329140054 986657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moliabdenium < 1329140064 986241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, right < 1329140073 834083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people's first esolang is a BF derivative < 1329140092 834781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mine wasn't, btw; I don't think I've put it online, but it was a hex-grid-based 2D language) < 1329140624 571221 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think c should have a parameter on the break keyword so you can specify how many nested levels you want to break out of < 1329140665 700056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: or better, use labeled break, where you can give a loop a name then specify which loop to break out of by name < 1329140767 116657 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess the fact is that it is a sin to want to escape multiple levels of nesting in such languages < 1329140805 453781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's just that the need for structured programming was quite new back then < 1329140806 756140 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: named loops is a cool idea though < 1329140813 752276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people were busy seeing loops and how they were better than gotos < 1329140823 191674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hadn't finished working out all the sorts of control structure they needed yet < 1329140824 26372 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really really like that < 1329140829 821198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone kept going around in circles < 1329140835 77568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my idea; several languages have it < 1329140836 469576 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just so cute.. naming a loop < 1329140839 687499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I'm most familiar with that has it is Perl < 1329140872 226907 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mittens (i = 0; i < 10; i++) < 1329140887 413692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the usual syntax, but I like it :) < 1329140896 485282 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking you know... < 1329140907 798913 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :type identifier conditions :D < 1329140935 879672 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm esoteric mothafuka < 1329141172 973420 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for x = (int i; i < 10; i++); x {printf("%d \n", i);}; < 1329141176 423146 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or..something < 1329141209 251440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it'd be x = for, not for x =? < 1329141216 617072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I completely misunderstand what you're getting at < 1329141231 366022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, hmm, call-by-name languages with currying get that for free < 1329141362 920966 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For x; x.initial = "int i = 0"; x.condition = "i < 10"; x.iterator = "i++"; x {printf("%d \n", i);}; < 1329141377 362661 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it doesn't all make sense. < 1329141420 880977 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can't just treat pieces of source code like string literals trivially. < 1329141454 679353 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see now < 1329141482 852592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: in call-by-name, you actually can treat pieces of source code like parse tree literals, except that you can't do anything with them but plug in the blanks and run them < 1329141500 771486 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf "%d \n" `mapM_` [0..9] < 1329141520 830516 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. this is finally what i have in mind < 1329141524 167665 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for x; x.initial = "int i = 0"; x.condition = "i < 10"; x.iterator = "i++"; x.body = "printf("%d \n", i);"; x; < 1329141524 227536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: are you missing a >? < 1329141535 96821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: …wow < 1329141545 754278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nicely eso < 1329141551 601795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, umm, object-oriented Tcl < 1329141563 686594 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was called ruby < 1329141566 891804 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NAMED THE LOOP x < 1329141583 655909 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dramatic gopher look* < 1329141590 710599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if call-by-name languages usually massacre lexical scoping like that < 1329141611 239311 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah the actual parts of te code relating to i are all broken < 1329141650 466837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they don't, and indeed can't < 1329141660 215079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in CBN with the same syntax it'd start off for x; int i; and otherwise look the same < 1329141670 754762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with i = 0 rather than int i = 0 < 1329141682 773483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, it'd be the same i (via lexical scoping) in each of the string literals < 1329141705 518518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it'd be a weird language that scoped into string literals, but then they're parse tree literals not string literals, which obviously can sensibly contain scoped variables < 1329141720 314326 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess technically it could be pointers to pieces of code < 1329141737 607616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numbered multi-level break is a bit on the messy side. < 1329141756 842434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that is indeed a common implementation < 1329141775 48447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't PHP do it? < 1329141789 480234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%d \n" `mapM_` [0..9::Int] :: String < 1329141790 184217 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1329141790 355660 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1329141790 534208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type... < 1329141790 552160 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type... < 1329141804 758429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1329141806 163953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329141814 297400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%d \n" =<< [0..9::Int] :: String < 1329141815 38700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "0 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n" < 1329141815 173991 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "0 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n" < 1329141897 255409 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since i imposed my topic, time for me to scroll up at what i interrupted < 1329141913 994843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Echo!" < 1329141914 871898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Echo!" < 1329141914 889992 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Echo!" < 1329141916 667436 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done higher-order functions in PHP before < 1329141939 364861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i think the conversation was relatively dead at that point < 1329141962 417498 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PHP function creates another PHP function that, when called, creates an SQL stored procedure < 1329141979 868826 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone ever understood that program. < 1329142016 165652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Oops < 1329142028 134122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Higher-order functions are natural in Perl. For example, here's fib with the Y combinator. < 1329142031 687965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print &{&{sub { my $f = shift; return &$f($f); }}(sub { my $f = shift; return sub { my $n = shift; return 1 if $n < 2; return &{&$f($f)}($n-1) + &{&$f($f)}($n-2); }; })}(11); < 1329142032 132834 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :144 < 1329142036 119394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple as sliced bread. < 1329142161 452590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least I hope it is that; I just grepped for it.) < 1329142338 431711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the Y combinator, that's the mockingbid combinator < 1329142348 708372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mockingbird < 1329142379 745647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :verified both by looking at the combinator itself, and by observing the unusual way the recursive calls are made < 1329142412 448940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in retrospect &{&$f($f)}($n-1) looks kinda funny. < 1329142441 642622 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interesting use for this is if you were to say for (j = 0; j < 10; j++) {for (i = 0; i < 15; i++) {printf("%d%d\n",i,j)}} equivalent to x(10,15) printf("%d%d\n",x[0],x[1]); < 1329142468 339214 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with those last [0] and [1] swapped around < 1329142535 248428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can of course write a Y-like fixed point combinator in Perl < 1329142548 479392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you'll end up with the usual debate as to whether an arbitrary least fix point operator is Y or not < 1329142596 834737 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even change the loop's parameters from within the loop in theory < 1329142751 334250 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can already do that easy enough < 1329142821 414555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: right, because most imperative languages already use the CBN-like interpretation of control constructs, as they can't sensibly be expressed in call-by-value < 1329142824 835373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe if < 1329142830 338343 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as while (x < n) { if (x > 40) n--; [...] } < 1329142847 242674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: right, that works in C < 1329142859 978116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does a CBN-like re-evaluation of x(sub { my $n = shift; return &{$x->($x)}($n); }); }}(sub { my $x = shift; return $f->(sub { my $n = shift; return &{$x->($x)}($n); }); }); }}(sub { my $f = shift; return sub { my $n = shift; return $n if $n <= 1; return $f->($n-1) + $f->($n-2); }; });}(12); < 1329143575 175014 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :144 < 1329143582 341718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks somehow overly complicated, but oh-well. < 1329143776 377621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that an actual y, rather than just a simple definition of fixpoint? < 1329143779 745803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be < 1329143879 667437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a translation of (((lambda (f) ((lambda (x) (f (lambda (n) ((x x) n)))) (lambda (x) (f (lambda (n) ((x x) n)))))) (lambda (f) (lambda (n) (if (<= n 1) n (+ (f (- n 2)) (f (- n 1))))))) 12). < 1329143898 14745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that looks like Y all right < 1329144044 766187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (fix (\f n -> if n <= 1 then n else f (n - 1) + f (n - 2))) 12 < 1329144045 644843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 144 < 1329144045 662481 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 144 < 1329144050 874074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :today at work, we broke two of our proofs. < 1329144066 756305 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i officially declare this the most fuckfaced shithole of a day in the universe < 1329144113 324066 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they proved the same thing and we may have a correction, but it does not have the innocence of the previous ones. < 1329144156 141010 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so happy most fuckfaced shithole of a day in the universe to you all < 1329144205 724969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the name, we should make this an annual event < 1329144216 79981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today at work I computed some variances for things by making at least three unwarranted assumptions about the distribution of other things. Man, being an engineer instead of a real scientist is such a leave-your-brain-at-the-door occupation. < 1329144228 167408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it will be annual < 1329144532 314357 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Happy Most Fuckfaced Shithole of a Day in the Universe to Each and Everyone! :> < 1329144542 264102 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt the other crap was unnecessary < 1329144573 658611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I was going to do that, but your version is better < 1329144605 722618 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm feeling better already for doing that < 1329144614 482485 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how to celebrate this most fuckfaced shithole of a day in the universe < 1329144759 935463 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-196-224.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329144817 847863 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could start by taking something you've spent a ton of effort to do and know to be awesome, spending 45 minutes of 10 ppl's time explaining it and then realizing that it's full of shit and you're a fucking retard. < 1329144824 940181 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-188-205.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329144849 60664 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the usual way to celebrate the most fuckfaced shithole of a day in the universe. < 1329144876 898496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1329145040 335900 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't even realize it, my colleague did. i just broke the second proof too. < 1329145109 765511 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1329145113 73260 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was rather fitting that it turned out to be the 13th < 1329145336 928997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, because i'm really really superstitious. < 1329145345 719377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: we have a known-incorrect proof in a published paper < 1329145356 956352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to be specific, the proof proves a known-incorrect result < 1329145373 942698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have the result fixed (it was just a mistake in definitions), but it's kind-of worrying how we proved it if it's wrong < 1329145470 853757 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah in my master's thesis i ask this question about whether this class called UFA is closed under union, and explained why i believe it's not (it would be a surprising result). it was certainly in the top10 most interesting things in there, and when i looked more closely into the definitions, i realized it's trivially closed under union. < 1329145487 532917 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have fixed this in our later article, and it's really just because the definition was wrong. < 1329145663 794099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this girl i know realized that her second most preferred career choice is out of the question after two days in there. < 1329145666 713455 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :today. < 1329145687 29922 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may be made out of magic. < 1329145692 619361 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if i fuck up your day. < 1329146249 223422 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329146258 481338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1329146293 275647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Careful there, you might catch some sucky-dayness from oklopol. < 1329146343 553315 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | We do esolangs. Deal with it. < 1329146348 701230 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better topic < 1329146359 767928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a short-lived topic. < 1329146360 232251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Happy Most Fuckfaced Shithole of a Day in the Universe to Each and Everyone! :> < 1329146367 543845 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Happy Most Fuckfaced Shithole of a Day in the Universe to Each and Everyone! :> | Deal with it. < 1329146457 798646 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Happy Most Duckfaced Piffle of a Day in the Universe to Each and Everyone! :> | Deal with it. < 1329146542 438214 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Happy Even Topics Suck Ass Day to Each and Everyone! :> | Deal with it. < 1329146570 191321 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Happy Even Topics Suck Donkey Day to Each and Everyone! :> | Deal with it. < 1329146619 133240 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329146760 329354 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ |http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Happy Odd Topics Suck Donkey Day to Each and Everyone! :> | Deal with it. < 1329146908 198840 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me but does this topic have two log links < 1329146916 168659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's silly. < 1329146971 571280 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it that silly? < 1329147186 511586 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a bot so you wouldn't understand. < 1329147459 100891 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only understand two things < 1329147522 749996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "did I fix this bug yet?" < 1329147524 117170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "did I fix this bug yet?" < 1329147524 135206 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "did I fix this bug yet?" < 1329147527 265216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1329147715 170090 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1329148207 249857 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329148429 280787 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329148749 212056 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329148749 254388 :kallisti!~eris@gate-20.spsu.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1329148749 272445 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1329148822 56850 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f n a b = a `mod` n == b in f 2 < 1329148823 165540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Integral t) => t -> t -> Bool < 1329148823 183739 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Integral t) => t -> t -> Bool < 1329148867 197308 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg I heard you like equivalence classes, so we made your integers congruent and ... actually I can't make this into a yo dawg meme so I'm just going to stop now. < 1329148945 625681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you dawg I heard you like equivalence classes, so I put some integers in your car so you can make them congruent while you drive < 1329149591 204543 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329152538 705159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1329152819 407105 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1329152851 349021 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i am showing this weird thing i did to several channels, will also say so in here < 1329152893 380984 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this idea, and i made a mockup of it using donkey kong pictures http://oi42.tinypic.com/ddgimt.jpg it got shrunk down quite a bit on upload.. but it didn't lose any quality in the process really < 1329152918 526311 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the original pics for reference: http://www.mobygames.com/game/nes/donkey-kong/screenshots < 1329153002 272136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+quit < 1329153009 230138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at thutubot < 1329153013 384273 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.178 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329153018 521324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just quit it manually) < 1329153086 916796 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manually ... WITH YOUR MIND! < 1329153090 607247 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOO-EEE-OOO < 1329153150 574797 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i got this idea from the torus discussions in here < 1329153220 777807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what's the evaluation strategy called where every function call in the code is pure and you know the argument it'll get already, you start running it in a different thread to see what value it produces, and kill the thread once you go out of scope (i.e. the function would get another argument next time)? < 1329153226 960501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was discussed in here a while back < 1329153230 774953 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329153235 728282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my supervisor just independently reinvented it < 1329153248 700588 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1329153249 49613 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, pure futures? < 1329153251 374364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds crazy, but we realised it's actually one of the most efficient strategies around for hardware compilation < 1329153271 931699 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really an evaluation strategy, but entails one. < 1329153281 92567 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pure futures, that is) < 1329153294 979074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this is an evaluation strategy that could be used as written with, say, Haskell < 1329153306 905463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whose purity makes it very easy to use arbitrary evaluation strategies with it) < 1329153323 923047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if they deal with nontermination correctly, and that one does by killing the thread if termination status is irrelevant) < 1329153783 915315 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329154292 350444 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329154358 338681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1329154360 747546 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1329155983 266261 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329156095 648258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329156319 555905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329156394 519824 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329156403 574025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1329156422 599651 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's weird> < 1329156441 428998 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm reading a book that a fictional character in a different book which I am also reading is reading < 1329156469 423714 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats pretty cool < 1329156617 500309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The books are Fermat's Last Theorem by Simon Singh and The Girl Who Played With Fire by Steig Larrsson < 1329156652 22273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ei/ie/ < 1329156656 443042 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rr/r/ < 1329156743 938374 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an idea which might only make sense to me, related to misheard song lyrics and fictional characters < 1329156784 407477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on < 1329156800 380667 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, by reading a preview or review of something.. or seeing a trailer of something < 1329156832 935483 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got this build error for my package: "Something is amiss; requested module template-haskell-2.6.0.0:Language.Haskell.TH differs from name found in the interface file template-haskell:Language.Haskell.TH" Did I do something wrong or is Hackage wrong? < 1329156839 613726 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can end up imagining what the story might be about, filling in the gaps. and this imagining itself is an act of creation. < 1329156854 557297 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: O, yes, then make up such a thing. < 1329156884 626147 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a similar thing can happen when you mishear song lyrics you end up with a unique song, which only barely makes sense to you because you were desperate to make some sense out of it < 1329156925 140272 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The story of my D&D game has a few gaps (they are mostly marked with square brackets; I forgot what happened), so maybe someone can help me to make up something there < 1329156959 70689 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, heh, I ended up with an epic love song called "I am a running tap" via that mechanism < 1329156961 38184 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, in song lyrics you can discover yourself warping grammar a bit in fun ways.. and perhaps credit the song author with interesting use of grammar which he doesn't deserve since its not his lyrics < 1329156968 689390 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, epic love song is a bit of an oxymoron < 1329157000 219999 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read some things about misheard song lyrics. Usually the music I listen has no lyrics; it is instrumental. < 1329157031 262342 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my favorites is "even flow... on the road like porno stars.. he don't know..so he chases them (the porno stars?) away < 1329157076 520944 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another is.. < 1329157099 497370 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a lot in (the words) "who is a devil?" you can't survive so i'll be your guide < 1329157176 302813 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real one is "Now who's the light and who is the devil. You can't decide so i'll be your guide." < 1329157188 481470 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have used decide in my version < 1329157301 991661 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Even flow, thoughts arrive like butterflies. Oh, he don't know so he chases them away, yeah" < 1329157447 554264 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, unfortunately as time goes on i find that things are rarely as cool as i first imagine them to be < 1329157585 191825 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its also quite common to underestimate lyrics when you don't actually hear them < 1329157633 685236 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its interesting that singing isn't merely about communicating a stream of words < 1329157948 63607 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: worlds inspired by such things from my firsthand experience can be exciting to create. < 1329158167 407308 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1329158238 596391 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329159269 861002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329160024 872467 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81eeb8.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329161748 415786 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next Gunnerkrigg will be #1000 < 1329162201 212078 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure if /I/ care. < 1329162244 803513 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: food < 1329162443 906915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/I/ was confused by "#1000"; was all "what sort of color code is that, shouldn't it have either three or six (or 12) digits, is that like a *really* bright #fff." < 1329162475 212402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: clearly it's an entirely transparent dark red < 1329162495 380894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like #F990 is an appropriate color for an invisible pink unicorn < 1329162564 952575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I'd've put the alpha channel first. < 1329162706 277767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt accepts colour specifications of the form "rgba:RRRR/GGGG/BBBB/AAAA", where the uppercase letters are hex digits. < 1329162722 690476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RGBA is the normal order < 1329162756 53619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1000 is the blink bit - that's blinking black < 1329162778 513754 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding #2000 makes it a marquee < 1329162809 239226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and #4000 is a tiling under construction gif?) < 1329162846 208587 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329162852 528837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's the normal order, but for some reason when in four-digit "#xxxx", I'd've done ARGB. < 1329162916 624935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Inkscape's color-selector has an eight-hex-digits field of the color being selected. < 1329162965 708543 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1329162982 397107 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329163073 221114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike RGB values, there is no hexadecimal notation for an RGBA value." (CSS3.) Aw. < 1329163099 362335 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-22.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329163286 278289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1329163304 394781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've added more CAPTCHAs to the test wiki at http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/Main_Page; prizes to anyone who fills out all of them without looking them up < 1329163310 41266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's five in total) < 1329163341 792381 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhh, CAPTCHAs shouldn't be hard enough to deserve prizes X-D < 1329163350 935411 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"without looking them up" < 1329163365 639365 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal use probably involves looking them up < 1329163372 209015 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1329163383 265874 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they come with a link. < 1329163386 787949 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so it's just "read" < 1329163400 928434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the CAPTCHA is basically about ability to parse and understand English < 1329163405 96521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a hard task for computers at current < 1329163416 858124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and follow URLs, which is a hard task for someone being paid to fill out CAPTCHAs out of context < 1329163437 850414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I imagine those people probably have web browsers by now < 1329163447 824305 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have seen the first captcha.. and i can't answer it without looking it up :D < 1329163451 693632 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Resistance is not tolerated < 1329163454 332802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard they're usually just presented with it out of context, but who knows < 1329163457 109185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main reason to do that is to make the captchas hard to MitM < 1329163470 667008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a moderately uncommon trick, but has been known to work < 1329163479 669369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I guess it's a reverse-MitM < 1329163485 758597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man in front < 1329163515 526774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: which one was it? < 1329163524 46636 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cated Unlambda? < 1329163530 748823 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^created < 1329163535 323438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1329163558 275079 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to add blah2 to ehird's user page < 1329163565 305101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who catered UnlambdaCon 2011? < 1329163578 680657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the link in that one actually works < 1329163582 901995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for getting the answer < 1329163594 722742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't bother adding articles for the new three, though < 1329163597 12837 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it first appeared to me that the edit had worked.. so i went to click on main page < 1329163611 277899 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it said.. Leave Page Stay on page < 1329163617 252211 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought huh? < 1329163627 284058 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats when i noticed the captcha subtly placed < 1329163632 42743 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha, I have successfully spammed the wiki, your captcha has failed < 1329163633 800050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's hard to notice :( < 1329163642 426525 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the appearance of the CAPTCHA is a bit surprising. < 1329163645 64048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it came in a box or something < 1329163650 873995 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not that hard to notice < 1329163652 459430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :having said that, it looks the same on the current esowiki < 1329163670 362695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Gregor: itidus20: Did you notice the "Blah blah blah blah!" at the top of the pages? < 1329163675 814311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 didn't, so I'm worried that it's not noticeable enough < 1329163684 742539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'll contain server migration/technical problem contact information for a week or so) < 1329163687 27870 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed it, but it was just "Blah blah", so uh < 1329163697 65444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll be *helpful* blahs! < 1329163749 526706 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [not giving serious critic here] reading this chat, it reminds me of one of those evil super mario bros hacks ... as if it is booby trapped < 1329163750 231084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but I didn't reflect over the fact that it was not part of the wiki-page content (which already was full of spam and Blah Blah-like stuff) < 1329163766 413758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: heh < 1329163788 395983 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"did you spot the blahblablah?" "did you spot the captcha?" < 1329163788 757581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: you're accusing an IRC channel of being a kaizohack? < 1329163796 662416 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: yes, but I didn't reflect over the fact that it was not part of the wiki-page content (which already was full of spam and Blah Blah-like stuff) // agreed < 1329163812 841402 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no no no... no no... not at all no... just the wiki < 1329163813 897038 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to reopen the page to realize that there was a blah blah there and that I had already seen it < 1329163843 804503 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats the idea < 1329163854 414331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will probably be more noticeable above http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Main_Page < 1329163856 699688 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make spambots feel as if they are playing a kaizohack < 1329163863 181724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll try and make it a little more obvious < 1329163865 80639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1329163869 71676 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't go too easy on them though < 1329163885 614800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'd probably help the most if it was an actual sentence < 1329163889 656886 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more of a kaizohack it is the better < 1329163890 886780 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: To commit changes, you have to hit this P switch before going through the goal? < 1329163910 55339 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sentences usually give some clue to why they're there and what they're about < 1329163965 302286 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME sentences. < 1329163982 720448 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the "save page" button will hide if you try to use it < 1329164005 523913 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-249-30.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329164006 682387 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmm < 1329164008 442872 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmm < 1329164047 566534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: heh, the wiki for a while actually had a "your edit looks like spam, if you try to submit it again you will be blocked unless you put this specific string in the edit summary somewhere" < 1329164049 60909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a test < 1329164081 93733 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what was wrong with that that the test had to go? < 1329164101 206633 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1329164104 170193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how clever are the esowiki spammers? C2 wiki had a nice simple password system for a long time that was basically "Enter the password: [....] (the password is 1234)" < 1329164105 297744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it prevented people linking to example.com < 1329164128 305858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/Main_Page OK, how about now? < 1329164128 828257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we have many different spammers; the current ones seem to know about MediaWiki in particular, but not esolang in particular < 1329164140 744326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's not a very good method of recognising spambots < 1329164149 405795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more noticeable, but doesn't seem obtrusive on e.g. http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/Univar to my eye. < 1329164193 659626 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My only complaint is that it should read "We've moved servers! If you experience any problems, too god damn bad." < 1329164206 387810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Noted. < 1329164248 741219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (any complaints?) < 1329164257 151058 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Resistance is frowned upon < 1329164260 850812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Probably not very clever, but at least one of them can solve the arithmetic captcha we currently have. < 1329164271 587500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is just a trivial textual addition (or sometimes subtraction, I think).) < 1329164283 913092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might not be able to solve a copy of the C2 CAPTCHA, but only because they don't know about it. < 1329164293 804337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a bit obtrusive, but in a position where I can easily scroll it away, so I don't mind < 1329164298 713752 :kallisti!~eris@h115.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329164298 731678 :kallisti!~eris@h115.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1329164298 731812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1329164328 927376 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok i just had a cool idea < 1329164339 828193 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok its probably not cool but ill spell it out < 1329164370 994683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if they don't know about esowiki specifically they won't figure out anything the least custom we make regardless of how easy it is? or will some human involve itself after they notice a wiki that doesn't work? < 1329164372 576750 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. the capctha looks like an ordinary captcha... but it doesn't have any text in it whatsoever.. just fragments pretending to be text < 1329164388 786594 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... it has a random colour background < 1329164410 835864 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get people to type in the colour of the background in natural language < 1329164434 772100 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: rule #1: don't overestimate the intelligence of spammers < 1329164436 319057 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know its trouble for colourblind and blind though < 1329164468 539824 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just say, "what is this?" and show mostly a block of colour, with a few fragments of another colour < 1329164475 572979 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: even if they notice they're not going to put time/effort into targeting a custom wiki. They have spambots that work with mediawiki specifically because it's so common and allows them to spam to many many different sites. < 1329164485 951519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: presumably blind people will have no problem inspecting the HTML and extracting the color value < 1329164488 57509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/Main_Page ;; I improved the colours :P < 1329164510 405320 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they would care that they can no longer target esowiki. < 1329164525 372241 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not the worst idea though eh? < 1329164568 21733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 2: don't underestimate the desirability of the sought-after esolang market to spammers. < 1329164585 840354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They know where the big money is. < 1329164595 796634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet fizzie can fill in all the CAPTCHAs without looking them up. < 1329164598 51270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I could use AbuseFilter to allow, say, only one BF derivative to be added to the wiki per day < 1329164618 606443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I don't even know how to see them all. < 1329164634 334425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Try to edit http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/Main_Page repeatedly. < 1329164637 380903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are five (5) unique ones. < 1329164644 815013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can just submit without filling in to get the next one.) < 1329164646 927554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1329164651 852886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just tell you them. < 1329164662 590048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1329164668 43938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nobody answer these.) < 1329164672 264716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was Underload created? < 1329164674 902706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who created Unlambda? < 1329164678 249192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does IRP stand for? < 1329164686 888802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language was the wire-crossing problem first considered for? < 1329164693 200900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What INTERCAL variant uses ternary rather than binary? < 1329164696 232680 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I think you would completely stop spam if you just changed some of the names/ids of elements on the page. < 1329164704 150755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...seriously. < 1329164707 815495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I don't < 1329164709 229923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could make it so that underload is the only captcha question? remembering 2006 is not that hard, but the name of the guy who created unlambda is, like, more than 3 unique characters < 1329164719 810500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, everyone has an obvious, trivial, obstruction-free solution to spam that doesn't work. < 1329164719 838802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with modern spambot frameworks, you'd apparently have to add extra elements in random places too < 1329164735 709870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make them not invisible < 1329164743 50661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you could make them very small and hide them behind other things < 1329164752 595766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you'd confuse people using screen readers, etc < 1329164766 572958 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, as i sincerely have nothing better to do, this is the mockup of my captcha idea http://oi43.tinypic.com/2j8ho7.jpg < 1329164776 950623 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be taken seriously < 1329164787 856088 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you really like to exaggeate things out of proportion don't you? < 1329164791 202639 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+r < 1329164817 72391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the element-id-renaming on one phpbb, and it worked when I did it, but then later on stopped. < 1329164824 828413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I exaggerated nothing except for "everyone". < 1329164839 966152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: STILL WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWERS. < 1329164854 744621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: What you seem to have missed is that it's really really easy for a computer to solve. < 1329164860 945995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: via PM, presumably? < 1329164873 449131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Take the largest area, take its RGB colour, look up in an RGB -> colour name database. < 1329164878 546191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure. < 1329164878 902194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: and also hard for a human to work out what it's getting at < 1329164887 585048 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it has to want to < 1329164893 214625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what < 1329164901 367824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the current Esolang spammers know the workings of its CAPTCHA < 1329164910 207691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may well be because it's the one that comes with MediaWiki by default < 1329164912 449564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, probably is < 1329164919 432761 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, they would probably have to make some kind of custom script with the new ids (or you know the obvious solution like AI botnet hivemind). < 1329164919 614641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By the way, did you download the forum? I got Deewiant to do it since I don't trust only one Finn. < 1329164927 18036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's the "baseline" ConfirmEdit captcha, so yes < 1329164948 504256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Or just going by element order. < 1329164955 918749 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1329164963 291401 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: one secret is by not actually having the world colour anywhere on the captcha < 1329164964 394188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: By the way, did you download the forum? I got Deewiant to do it since I don't trust only one Finn. <-- http://qdb.rawrnix.com/?615 < 1329164973 148353 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^word < 1329164978 605546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't realize I was supposed to answer them. Meh, not gonna. I'm so bad about time, I don't really have a clue about the when thing, except I have a feeling it might've been sometime the last decade. < 1329164980 717661 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... since I don't trust only one Finn." - and you trust two finns *more*? < 1329164987 7015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that just makes it harder for humans without making it harder for computers < 1329165005 7894 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the computer is supposed to be tricked by the black dots < 1329165010 632492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not normally a desirable property for CAPTCHAs < 1329165012 44459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I forgotteded about it, then remembered, then forgotteded. < 1329165017 320933 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :-s < 1329165040 989965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the problem with CAPTCHAs is that most spammers can spare the time to have one human configure them for each site they come across < 1329165044 47510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just let them spam from there < 1329165046 26123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Two Finns are better than one. < 1329165088 607477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet olsner knows all the answers. < 1329165092 153039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet SOMEONE knows all the answers. < 1329165094 55806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from ais523. < 1329165186 516658 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, SOMEONE should be an acronym (or that thing everyone calls an acronym but really isn't?) for something < 1329165200 385400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the TODO list before the new esowiki can go live: Figure out the preferences weirdness, get stuff automated, prepare server, contact Graue. < 1329165203 49876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: an acronym is an initialism that is also a real word < 1329165221 670426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and figure out why http://95.149.228.149:8181/w/ isn't redirecting to /wiki/Main_Page < 1329165221 846590 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what about < 1329165240 516911 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a captcha where you have to pick the sexy person versus the ugly person? < 1329165241 540602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is also a real word? or has the same letters? I think words and same-lettered acronyms should be separate entities < 1329165265 914147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: subjective... < 1329165271 741582 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not that much < 1329165285 496966 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be tinkered with by the editor < 1329165289 903769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 50/50 chance of getting it right, just keep guessing < 1329165296 63443 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah shit < 1329165296 526556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, something I'd like a bit of advice on: I'd like to write a CGI script that takes a user-entered path, and returns a file with that name in a particular directory tree, while counting the fact it was requested < 1329165311 261952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, acting like an HTTP fileserver except that it has a hit counter < 1329165331 898513 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) remove anonymous edits b) require a captcha on the create account page c) obfuscate the form field labels by using "for" attributes that point to the incorrect form field (does this break legitimate software somewhere?) d) move the captcha to the bottom of the create account form, thus changing the element order of forms. < 1329165333 958967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that I have to write it in PHP, and am not sure how to secure it to avoid, say, directory traversal attacks, or even shell injection attacks because this is PHP we're talking about < 1329165353 946776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: a) require a CAPTCHA for anonymous edits < 1329165354 428848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: There's already a CAPTCHA based on image distinguishing. < 1329165357 460183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Asirra; cat vs. dog) < 1329165363 948452 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: captchas aren't really a big deal. < 1329165366 586602 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes that would be good. < 1329165372 831568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obfuscating labels really does break legitimate software < 1329165384 112385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: (a) Unacceptable, (b) already done, (c) breaks normal browsers and makes unusable for disabled people, (d) idiotic < 1329165385 527635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: removing anonymous editing /is/ a big deal, IMO < 1329165394 73236 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's unfortunate because it tells the spambot exactly where to go. < 1329165413 164307 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I only see a math solver thing < 1329165416 262515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1329165419 519773 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the create account page. < 1329165422 161415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that /is/ the CAPTCHA < 1329165426 611729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, it sucks as a CAPTCHA < 1329165428 690104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://95.149.228.149:8181/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup&returnto=Main+Page < 1329165443 653926 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find john conner.. < 1329165444 775100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the spambots routinely break it < 1329165449 713680 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will stop the captchas < 1329165453 794633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, extra TODO: get email working < 1329165457 475431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are you doing about importing accounts in the server change, btw? < 1329165458 550110 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: news flash: programs good at math. < 1329165473 895319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: news flash: programs bad at parsing the fact that they have to solve math < 1329165484 720080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with that CAPTCHA is that it only needs human intervention to break /once/ < 1329165492 801268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the same as the problem with changing element order, or changing round labels < 1329165499 44557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only need human intervention once to defeat < 1329165513 267879 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so a subjective question is needed with a wide range of possible answers < 1329165517 182178 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: explain to me how changing the element order of the form is an idiotic way to prevent spambots from using the standard mediawiki element order to create an account? < 1329165524 671580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: to make it harder to /judge/? < 1329165527 796280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: technically, this CAPTCHA only needs human intervention once, it's just a tedious and unautomatable once < 1329165536 590211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Because it's a waste of time compared to just using a decent CAPTCHA. < 1329165541 566505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, this is the main reason to have a lot of questions < 1329165560 468835 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner pointed out that if its a 2 option question then they will quickly get it right like flipping a coin waiting for heads < 1329165561 830983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, potential problem: the spambots are told the answer to one question, then they try it on every CAPTCHA in the hope the question will come up again < 1329165569 774510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no penalty for CAPTCHA fails, is there? < 1329165591 611457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmmm, perhaps. I don't know the success rate of CAPTCHA solvers on these so-called "good" CAPTCHAs. but they appear to be successful on most of the internet, so.... < 1329165596 696072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if any do that I just abusefilter them, also checkuser them < 1329165626 393784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: apparently the most common sort of captcha OCR works badly on Wikipedia's, but the second-most-common works quite well < 1329165651 326005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("captcha OCR" = "OCR designed to break captchas rather than digitise more normal text) < 1329165682 804346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, Wikipedia's main page was only protected in 2006 < 1329165715 762485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 is before people started systematically trolling it < 1329165734 529279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, yes, ConfirmEdit has a documented lack of penalty < 1329165736 469175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*penalties < 1329165793 72520 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :these questions are good. < 1329165795 559866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AbuseFilter can be set to block an entire /16 without warnings, incidentally, but that seems a little excessive to me < 1329165799 531222 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329165806 133091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually look up how large the range the IP is part of is, and block that < 1329165816 638207 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefuly no question database is going to have esolang related questions. Though I have no idea how spambots acquire question databases in the first place. < 1329165827 387648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, it occurs to me that spammers dislike CAPTCHA solving software too < 1329165838 118129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use distorted text in images for email spam, after all < 1329165855 230095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps we can set the two groups against each other < 1329165864 694924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have confirming email as spam or not /as a CAPTCHA/ < 1329165874 441028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I want to implement that now < 1329165875 932829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpectedly awesome idea? < 1329165887 175224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: you need to be willing to allow random strangers to read your email) < 1329165898 54104 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what if gmail is secretly a spam botnet. < 1329165901 926209 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we're so fucked. < 1329165907 554720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah, just set up a bunch of honeypot email accounts < 1329165910 916798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with their address all over the 'net < 1329165916 721480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use the data to train a spam filter for actual users < 1329165917 142126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it isn't secretly a spam botnet, because it's reasonably openly a spam botnet < 1329165925 375932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but they wouldn't get legitimate emails < 1329165931 200669 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1329165931 685980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the CAPTCHA would be solved by labeling them all as spam < 1329165937 186185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... encourage people to send fake legitimate emails :P < 1329165945 721681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: gmail's the source of a reasonably large percentage of the world's spam < 1329165963 288237 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people /using/ gmail or the software behind gmail? I think we're talking about two different things. < 1329165965 715988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it wouldn't be anywhere near the spam in volume < 1329165970 379494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: people using gmail < 1329165975 395456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kallisti: < 1329165976 155519 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there you go < 1329165978 306486 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1329166007 854430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was just making a bad joke, that if gmail were a spambot then it could easily distinguish which emails are spam. < 1329166011 386852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: write a botnet to send fake legitimate mail, then < 1329166031 704429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, then you could subscribe to its non-spam < 1329166034 617717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be a lot less lonely < 1329166042 873629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get patches for AceHack, etc < 1329166044 927100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be great < 1329166048 422619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Spam_image.jpg I feel dizzy... < 1329166086 983470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's just about the saddest thing i ever heard get said < 1329166087 577610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wtf < 1329166097 887772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1329166099 109495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the commons link < 1329166112 870881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it illustrates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_spam < 1329166128 375929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does that mean the image spam is freely-licensed? < 1329166164 343613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was probably sent by a spambot to one of those people with signatures saying they own the copyright of anything you email to them < 1329166189 651003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1329166276 620419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, seeing Monobook after using Vector for a while is weird < 1329166279 465652 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow it's a captcha ad. < 1329166281 368960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why you can't have a babylon where everyone freely understands each other < 1329166284 8430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a captcha-fied ad < 1329166286 289874 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's amazing. < 1329166287 524901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lately I've been getting rather amusing "follow-ups" to the usual "here's a lot of money for you" spams. I'm sort of wondering if there's already a large market of people who've already responded to regular spam, and are therefore "primed" for stuff like this: http://p.zem.fi/ikvv < 1329166315 310151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got the all. < 1329166317 258268 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots are empowered by everyone in the community dividing against each other (with the bots)... as if to force division < 1329166329 377970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :World Court and German businessmen and everything. < 1329166338 174057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's amazing < 1329166368 547191 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it is quite possible for tribal languages to spring up of a guarded nature so that their captchas can't be figured out < 1329166376 986478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should click fizzie's link < 1329166379 978666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, you need to ban elliott for spamming the channel with viagra ads. < 1329166394 327193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, was distracted < 1329166425 886363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why audio captchas are not frequently used. < 1329166429 176048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the first paragraph really /is/ a single sentence, I was getting a little dizzy parsing it < 1329166439 205513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: many people use the internet in a situation where they can't easily get sound < 1329166441 18456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that wasn't the only "follow-up" style one; I also got one from the "bank guy" who's actually doing the money reassignment, warning me that the people I've been conversing with are scammers who haven't paid him his $10k, but that he's willing to make a deal directly with me. < 1329166453 152050 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because audio in HTML is kind of a pain in the ass (or is for the time being until HTML5 audio becomes completely safe across all commonly used browsers) < 1329166458 254776 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah yes < 1329166459 833805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: they're annoying < 1329166479 528682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: also, understanding them can be hard compared to image captchas < 1329166483 745442 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1329166487 645161 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the noise. < 1329166489 377006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such. < 1329166490 431333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially across cultures (accents, etc.) < 1329166497 996974 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1329166504 680335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :animated CAPTCHAs? is this a thing people do? < 1329166507 31513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your name has been enlisted in the WORLD SCAM RECORDS as a top 11 fraudster < 1329166513 902720 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: haven't you seen them? < 1329166514 101256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this spam is awesome < 1329166519 297794 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: the captchas with the car ads < 1329166521 953718 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no? < 1329166532 575011 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or were they static I forget < 1329166532 860430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in a world without ads. < 1329166538 132909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ We have also spread our networks to the following countries which are < 1329166538 150800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Australia, Canada, Africa, United Kingdom, Asia and Poland.]] < 1329166541 737712 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, captcha that's also a car ad < 1329166543 456180 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: maybe you were tripping when you saw them < 1329166544 507382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Africa and Asia are my favourite countries < 1329166547 510437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the text isn't obscured at all < 1329166547 670899 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they appeared to be animated. < 1329166552 246812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I liked the $20M they sort-of offhand mention in one paragraph, and then never again later. < 1329166557 240067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a car ad and you have to write down the name of the car < 1329166558 828472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so do I < 1329166560 159090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: there's "ad captchas" < 1329166564 26635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: they're disgusting < 1329166569 114576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're not actually captchas < 1329166572 117093 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I'm talking about "captcha captchas" < 1329166575 636978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no bot would have problems solving them < 1329166575 982756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are animated. < 1329166582 490371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're forced to type in marketspeak bullshit to get past them < 1329166587 64623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow parsing this message gives me a headache < 1329166594 276193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FREE CITIZEN CERTIFICATE also goes from $90 to $140 inexplicably. (Inflation?) < 1329166616 116828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I that they say it costs $90 and ask for $140 < 1329166621 906779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that it's their cut for notifying you < 1329166628 127891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's even a scam MitM attack < 1329166630 339856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, those with Flash: http://www.adscaptcha.com/ take a look at the slide-to-fit/simple code integration < 1329166636 538077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's absolutely impossible for a bot to slide a slider all the way! < 1329166647 566792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where one bunch of scamsters skip off $50 and give the other $90 to the bunch they're MitMing < 1329166673 293848 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.... that's what you meant by captcha ads < 1329166673 820434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1329166675 408601 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gross. < 1329166681 112092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, Flash CAPTCHAs seem like a reasonable idea, just to suck up all the spambot's CPU time < 1329166698 448504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a sick amalgamation of two tedious things about the internet, combined into one. < 1329166701 614149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that one is actually obscured though < 1329166707 64717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try and find the worst one < 1329166714 631364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just making you watch an ad then type in unobscured text < 1329166725 55728 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the one I was thinking of < 1329166729 245837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://www.solvemedia.com//advertisers.html < 1329166732 236698 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh.. haha.. brilliant < 1329166748 23381 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they found a way to defeat captchas.. just put them on porn sites and make humans type them to view the porn < 1329166748 65027 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thats thinking < 1329166754 217788 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "wasted attention" good one < 1329166770 441444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.solvemedia.com//images/research.png < 1329166773 423058 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: my god..... < 1329166781 403929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: that's known as CAPTCHA MitMing, but it doesn't actually work too well < 1329166790 608616 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: STOP SPAMMING AAAAAAH < 1329166796 108522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pronounces MitMing as "mitt-ming" < 1329166799 358938 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329166803 821970 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: works well enough.. tons of spam on 4chan < 1329166805 605383 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is there another way to pronounce it? < 1329166810 449353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to just hiring minimum-wage workers in a country with low minimum wages < 1329166812 317204 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1329166831 283088 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah maybe thats it then < 1329166834 877469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: and what's the point in spamming 4chan? < 1329166848 669433 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to link back to their porn site < 1329166851 224614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention, if you spammed 4chan you'd probably end up with naked pictures of yourself all over the Internet < 1329166852 74210 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/4chan/any website/ < 1329166873 16439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: M I T M ing < 1329166884 805955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: prize for solving all five captchas on http://95.149.228.149:8181/wiki/Main_Page without looking the answers up < 1329166886 392342 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. < 1329166900 818321 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't parse it as an acronym followed by -ing < 1329166904 730934 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you mean for example, demanding 30 seconds of cpu time for the privilege of viewing the captcha's question decoded? < 1329166909 38139 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Resistance is frowned upon, thus voltage is frowned upon times currant. < 1329166912 127783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : not to mention, if you spammed 4chan you'd probably end up with naked pictures of yourself all over the Internet < 1329166915 643593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I take it you speak from experience < 1329166925 328620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I haven't tested this < 1329166928 837365 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :MitMing sounds like some kind of trendy internet business name. < 1329166935 165805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1329166938 373329 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What captchas < 1329166943 784723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: try to edit the page < 1329166944 490393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CA-CAPTCHA: it runs a 2D CA on a HTML5 canvas, then asks you to describe the result. < 1329166994 764127 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result is a car ad < 1329166998 200405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would make a good addition to a CAPTCHA: supply a random string, ask for a string to append for it which ends up with an SHA1 hash starting with an appropriate number of zeros < 1329166998 706664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cha-cha-chaptcha < 1329167001 27461 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I have no idea < 1329167005 36458 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: come on that's just silly. < 1329167009 414543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could happen to the user in the background while they were filling in the login form < 1329167014 543902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION casually scrolls up and reads all the other ideas that have been posted. < 1329167023 937584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload was created... '97? < 1329167033 961791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wow < 1329167034 936387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, even I don't know that one off by heart, and it was me who created it < 1329167036 73431 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ais has really hit on something... sacrificing cpu time to decode the captcha image to slow down the spambot < 1329167042 733856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wire corssing problem... Befunge? < 1329167051 409331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 2006; you can get a second-place prize for doing the others < 1329167053 692336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1329167063 889315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: that's [[Hashcash]] < 1329167077 93364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the problem is that javascript/Flash are really slow compared to hand-optimised C, which is what the spambots can use < 1329167077 612290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashcash is for email < 1329167080 646359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas this is for webforums < 1329167083 247058 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have some kind of time/memory consuming process that runs on the page. normally users would kill the JS when prompted to do so, spambots probably wouldn't (?????) < 1329167085 534586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's basically a browser vs. spambot optimisation war < 1329167087 642805 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION worst idea ever. < 1329167093 913699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is totally not obvious and I deserve a patent with millions in license fees < 1329167102 38147 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL variant... AAARGH < 1329167105 904114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know INTERCAL < 1329167111 43619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: just guess < 1329167111 849878 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TINTERCAL < 1329167114 546385 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Is it CLC-INTERCAl? < 1329167116 322697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: nope < 1329167117 378423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nope < 1329167122 761186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that one < 1329167125 171720 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :try http://google.com < 1329167125 522329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer was TriINTERCAL < 1329167127 281968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEXT CAPTCHA < 1329167127 370287 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird then.. it accepted that < 1329167134 68986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: are you sure? < 1329167144 392707 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1329167148 361898 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda... oh come on I know this < 1329167157 533617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I really don't./ < 1329167167 516920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: david madore < 1329167167 758390 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know who didn't create it < 1329167178 504093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I know more than one person who didn't create it < 1329167183 722469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: only one more to fail at! :P < 1329167188 483976 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't create it. < 1329167192 178155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, all this reminds me that esolangs maybe wouldn't make an ideal specialist subject for me on Mastermind < 1329167203 973361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'm planning to apply for Mastermind < 1329167209 762915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I somewhat doubt they'd even allow that as a subject < 1329167212 463652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP... Internet Relay Program? < 1329167213 106688 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if it makes you feel any better, Unlambda is not a part of my life at all < 1329167218 637222 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how could you < 1329167220 336039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think they would, it seems broad enough < 1329167221 724543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Programming, actually < 1329167227 258596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get the IRP one < 1329167231 192775 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's got to be close enough < 1329167231 749958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but the reliable sources? < 1329167235 10481 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 outta 5 < 1329167237 906861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just pre-poison esolangs.org :) < 1329167244 460927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hahaha < 1329167245 301859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not close enough for the captcha :P < 1329167247 793595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Mastermind require reliable sources? < 1329167258 136287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I assume they use some encyclopedia or something < 1329167262 486638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think "Befunge" would be for the befunge one < 1329167263 400160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that recently, I've seen a gameshow that explicitly states its sources < 1329167264 116420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, they probably just use Wikipedia < 1329167269 569853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asks questions starting "according to IMDB", etc < 1329167276 438875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "Befunge" is accepted for the wire-crossing one < 1329167281 530178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMDB is quite a common source for them to use < 1329167285 580725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew about TriINTERCAL, and IRP, and Befunge, and had the correct decade for Underload (sadly not good enough), but didn't recall the Unlambda dude's name. < 1329167295 565845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd have guessed 1995, thinking about it < 1329167298 904202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was only a year off < 1329167320 730930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott told me the answer to the Unlambda question before I had a chance to think about it, but I didn't remember it < 1329167348 293059 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon Mastermind would allow Esolangs as a topic < 1329167350 189380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you guessed it, I think < 1329167392 17 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking through oerjan's impl of ~ in Underload-minus-~, it feels a little unneccessarily complex < 1329167394 233468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I get the idea < 1329167432 39028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that lacking ~ means that most of the standard stack manip tricks don't work < 1329167454 365958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Resistance is frowned upon, thus voltage is frowned upon times currant. | Electric buns, all the rage. < 1329167507 496213 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(currant != current) < 1329167520 522634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I remember that one < 1329167524 746482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I remember being surprised that I understood it < 1329167539 278890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, stepping through it the principle is obvious < 1329167543 544295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hard to parse mentally < 1329167569 758536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it uses to be able to change the structure of the stack < 1329167571 166360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^, right? < 1329167590 37830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it basically constructs a program (a)(b)(a)(b) and puts !s in the right places < 1329167613 425365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1329167660 942692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1329167695 262067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Resistance is frowned upon, thus voltage is frowned upon times current. | Electric buns, all the rage. < 1329167711 127940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that intentional. < 1329167711 957579 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip currant < 1329167729 690587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I spotted the change; I'm guessing it was unintentional and then the next section was added to make fun of it < 1329167736 575472 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a good friand" < 1329167737 686837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1329167739 783532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I want to have a go at implementing ~ myself < 1329167765 507674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Taneb has changed the topic to: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Resistance is frowned upon, thus voltage is frowned upon times currant. | Electric buns, all the rage. < 1329167765 525752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (currant != current) < 1329167765 525915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1329167808 528167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, how does it construct (a)(b)? < 1329167811 694240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to dip to the a to "a" it < 1329167819 479289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's the tricky part < 1329167822 363611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have dip, swap is easy < 1329167841 928083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe not < 1329167864 444683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Proggit are talking about concatenative languages at the moment, at least in one thread < 1329167875 476459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in response to the submission of a blog post by evincar < 1329167879 562914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that evincar's unbearable blog post < 1329167880 441825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1329167890 685808 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh heh < 1329167894 546815 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar... that name sounds oddly familiar < 1329167900 418464 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he comes here sometimes < 1329167903 391417 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott doesn't like him < 1329167913 237632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right; the information is mostly good, but the opinions are probably counterproductive < 1329167915 200660 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link to blog post? < 1329167918 145145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://evincarofautumn.blogspot.com/2012/02/why-concatenative-programming-matters.html < 1329167924 250217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the information is good, except when it's wrong < 1329167931 809185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, he got the definition of "concatenative" wrong < 1329167979 427282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in what way? I'm tired, may not have been paying attention < 1329167990 522189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, 11:00:16 rien: I want to fix a few bugs and get a final 0.95 release out but other than that I'm mostly done < 1329168007 30084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well... it's not so much wrong as not a definition at all < 1329168029 121449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: importantly, it doesn't actually address the "concat" part of "concatenative" < 1329168067 141858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose my definition would be "a concatenative language is one in which concatenating the source code that represents two functions f and g creates a valid source code for the function f compose g" < 1329168074 432544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... it's a blog post about Native E code? < 1329168083 129848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it uses Factor as its example language < 1329168092 885990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of what it says would work just as well for Joy or Underload, apart from the code examples < 1329168130 854825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ais523 just makes up answers to questions he doesn't know the answer to. < 1329168142 107904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1329168146 660828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: it uses Factor as its example language < 1329168148 269749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't true < 1329168154 352864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, /seriously/? < 1329168163 221769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor doesn't use "define foo [...]" last I checked < 1329168163 912798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language are the examples written in, then? < 1329168168 672173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ": foo ... ;" < 1329168177 104953 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1329168180 464525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably either none, or evincar's awful concatenative language < 1329168184 336030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that we keep yelling at him about repeatedly < 1329168186 199417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, he doesn't actually say the examples are in Factor anywhere < 1329168191 118000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he strongly implies it multiple times, though < 1329168195 59494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1329168229 89800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically by it being the only concatenative language he mentions < 1329168232 866266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before Kitten right at the end < 1329168249 313265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy stole the name kitten?! < 1329168255 994763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, I hate him even more now < 1329168256 12818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kitten factor < 1329168259 607952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1329168263 987051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329168268 534140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it's a cut-down version of Cat, apparently < 1329168289 297606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he also mentions Prog, which is "principally concatenative" < 1329168306 106167 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, elliott hasn't seen the new improved Pietbot! < 1329168311 714948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is apparently based around pattern matching and GADTs < 1329168317 517147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, I conclude that it sucks compared to Anarchy < 1329168329 730786 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're confusing kitten and prog < 1329168332 415019 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar has two languages < 1329168334 178531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitten and prog < 1329168337 991055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no I'm not < 1329168340 115225 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1329168341 523095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he also mentions Prog" < 1329168341 808567 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329168342 978879 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread < 1329168344 333578 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woopse < 1329168365 980223 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a cut-down version of cat though? < 1329168391 538448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot is afk, 'twould seem < 1329168416 258807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why might MediaWiki fail to redirect to the short-URL version of a page? < 1329168419 872339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm disappointed that the Cat interpreter almost certainly isn't called cat < 1329168430 512506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it doesn't know for certain that the short-URL version is set up correctly < 1329168439 316200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to tell it in the config that the redirect will work < 1329168443 304153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it assumes it won't < 1329168449 875867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I told it with $wgArticlePath < 1329168451 110810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it worked before < 1329168453 366471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1329168458 537081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something else I have to set? < 1329168465 571406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of another reason, but that doesn't mean another reason doesn't exist < 1329168476 934551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's caching too much or something < 1329168633 175123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw, what's the evaluation strategy called where every function call in the code is pure and you know the argument it'll get already, you start running it in a different thread to see what value it produces, and kill the thread once you go out of scope (i.e. the function would get another argument next time)? < 1329168639 856905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :speculative or opportunistic < 1329168666 593061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a name for the convention itself? if you do it for /everything/? < 1329168675 17460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a call-by-need variant, I think < 1329168678 311342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1329168704 961708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly insane on a CPU, but we've decided that it's actually pretty efficient on an FPGA < 1329168718 38566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all that thread creation costs nothing at all apart from one bit of memory < 1329168784 14264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps it's APC caching somehow < 1329168871 117011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Folks get annoyed when VfD discussions end up the number 1 google hit for < 1329168871 290256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# their name. See bugzilla bug #4776 < 1329168876 212273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://en.wikipedia.org/robots.txt < 1329168944 40559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: those pages now have meta noindex on them too, but putting them in robots.txt helps reduce server load < 1329168957 568443 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329168960 931634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to making the bots not even bother requesting, rather than merely ignoring then < 1329168962 679382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1329169033 813037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, caching the sitenotice is really confusing < 1329169042 801100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a lot of links get de-linked due to it being cached when rendering one of the linked pages < 1329169058 785075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the solution is to just use external links instead < 1329169219 399751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep < 1329169274 272965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how do you style external links to look like normal ones in the sitenotice?) < 1329169308 943030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some style to suppress the external link arrow < 1329169318 52855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember if it's mediawiki-wide or wikipedia-specific, though < 1329169420 231710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw: http://95.149.228.149:8181/w/api.php < 1329169460 540415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1329169521 983072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to determine sincerity level :) < 1329169626 403838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe you could make it so that underload is the only captcha question? <-- hey that was the only one i think i didn't get < 1329169630 503667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: excitement, combined with a lack of any actual /use/ for it < 1329169645 387973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wasn't that olsner's point < 1329169650 308117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehe < 1329169659 93645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an "ooh, shiny things" reactoin < 1329169661 898829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reaction < 1329169665 430771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, his point was it was easy to remember < 1329169670 351281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah < 1329169683 667796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well you only have to fill it out the captcha once unless you regularly edit anonymously < 1329169694 230166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure i'm right about the wire-crossing one < 1329169706 582288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's why they all have links < 1329169714 658983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just logreading < 1329169716 563221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I specifically picked captchas answerable from the first paragraph in the linked esowiki pages < 1329169721 132835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just don't go to the esowiki pages yet < 1329169735 940081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, [[Wire-crossing problem]]: "The wire-crossing problem, in its general form, states that some programs in some languages cannot be represented as planar graphs (that is, graphs with edges that do not cross when rendered in two dimensions.) It was (as far as we are aware) first considered for Befunge, with respect to the necessity of the # operator." < 1329169745 428571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i was right < 1329169820 147174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw do you have any complaints/requests wrt the new wiki < 1329170263 948587 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329170483 482777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THANKS HELPFUL < 1329170489 106224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw wikispam < 1329170494 203380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you just got rid of it all < 1329170495 605949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1329170496 308251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all < 1329170508 127500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the process of deleting it < 1329170511 623567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you distracted me < 1329170519 672621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1329170521 268303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1329170523 187154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it seemed sort of ...empty... < 1329170534 601659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: har har < 1329170546 375522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but seriously < 1329170573 150461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we need some new limes, those are _way_ beyond best before date < 1329170619 690924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i have complaints when it's not really up? < 1329170638 375827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...software-related complaints, presumably... < 1329170644 869765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, suddenly /w/ starts redirecting properly < 1329170659 190147 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight < 1329170660 245103 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-67-39.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1329170663 581380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it loads. < 1329170678 13719 :pir^2!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329170717 897682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, I give up < 1329170751 297464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to think i have opinions and stuff < 1329170776 767861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly hope you will get all the data transfered properly < 1329170782 85519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION distinctly recalls oerjan complaining about the wiki software tons < 1329170788 752303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: were you not here when I set up an instance with the imported data? < 1329170799 469125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not. < 1329170808 252964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, can [[Special:Export]] do images? < 1329170817 907537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so < 1329170821 20188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just image description pages < 1329170830 889978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i seem to have adapted to the flaws i guess < 1329170846 546298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall being bitten by edits timing out, at one time < 1329170891 249994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have this vague feeling that Special:Exporting all the ordinary pages, reuploading files manually, and then copying over the user table will be easier than a "normal" migration < 1329170908 216398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was wondering about that too < 1329170914 488142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by "all the data" i mean _all_ the data, naturally. < 1329170921 163730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as opposed to? < 1329170941 780574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not user accounts or pictures < 1329170953 46273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i can think about < 1329170970 783746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well user accounts will just require Graue < 1329170974 128699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be easy to import + upgrade that table < 1329170984 309846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for pictures < 1329170985 717730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=6 < 1329170992 835753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are not really all that many < 1329170997 574860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a problem if we have to manually migrate them < 1329171006 322989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1329171025 823957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also some other media files aren't there < 1329171041 315875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1329171042 192949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1329171047 287304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329171060 993608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't fugue have sound/midi, or something < 1329171099 380028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those go in the image namespace < 1329171102 892348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1329171112 61797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Hello_world_program_in_esoteric_languages#Fugue < 1329171115 10165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a link to the file archive < 1329171123 439577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I plan to grab < 1329171128 710065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's svn) < 1329171129 413131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1329171143 292376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already mentioned the forum < 1329171202 159202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Deewiant has that < 1329171311 521021 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329171394 387975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'll probably contact Graue tonight, tomorrow, or the day after < 1329171411 623502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how quickly I can do final tweaks and figure out what my server situation is < 1329171419 161670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd like a configured MW to be able to link him to) < 1329171425 311878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that isn't running on this laptop) < 1329171477 436428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, if Graue decides he's too busy to give me a database dump and set up a redirect, I'm going to need help finding out where he lives < 1329171506 503440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wouldn't think that plausible if Graue didn't decline to do the simplest of things to solve the current spam problem on the same grounds... < 1329171557 57228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1329172025 557696 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, no one told me when I became interested in programming that my work would involve such exciting things as writing contracts. < 1329172153 852426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any further suggestions for the wiki, btw? (/me is pretty much procrastinating the final few things...) < 1329172174 666387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not offhand < 1329172204 973071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think ais has really hit on something... sacrificing cpu time to decode the captcha image to slow down the spambot < 1329172216 38816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now just combine that with foldathome or something < 1329172244 499964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, that's human isn't it. < 1329172257 348879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that another one < 1329172351 691333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Folding@home was automatical. < 1329172372 239353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some other where you twiggled molecules all game-like, though. < 1329172397 820459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1329172414 336300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose s/was/is/ though I haven't heard anything about it lately. < 1329172525 761122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how easy would it be for you to prepare a [[Special:Export]] of every mainspace/talkspace/userspace/usertalkspace/projectspace/projecttalkspace article on Esolang with full histories? < 1329172549 333747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does Special:Export work for you? < 1329172565 256922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just be a case of getting a page list from somewhere (probably special:allpages), then plugging it into special:export < 1329172574 247870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hoping that it doesn't refuse to handle such a large query < 1329172647 478030 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329172648 195272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it does, I was hoping I could be lazy :P < 1329172655 23910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give it a go < 1329172719 672213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329172779 794238 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there's ever been this much difference in my state of mind in a single day. < 1329172807 36297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think i reached new maxima on both sides for this year. < 1329172826 490736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, copying from the table doesn't produce one-per-line in my browser < 1329172857 865505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: CSS the table into a list? < 1329172873 39134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that /work/? < 1329172921 681783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, http://esolangs.org/wiki/1st_year_sobriety_and_no_dating is a broken redirect < 1329172948 23393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I delete it, or do you want to put an esolang there? < 1329172955 919302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know it works, because I did that on AfD for Wikipedia < 1329172986 818324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, may as well delete the redirect and leave the talk page there < 1329173008 173372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can delete it < 1329173025 610562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :already have < 1329173042 61810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Did you: make some more prooves to replace the one that got away? < 1329173057 994312 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1329173082 539062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hardly did any math after work < 1329173095 631462 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.quickmeme.com/media/social/qm.gif does this image deeply offend anyone else? < 1329173109 95099 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1329173116 292746 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's offensive too < 1329173118 402198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the right image. < 1329173133 433747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 1x1 pixel image? How rude! < 1329173148 156016 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/178i/ < 1329173168 859574 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm deeply offended < 1329173176 748535 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, me too. < 1329173367 644653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm offended by the lack of spaces between #include and the <. < 1329173399 148038 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I didn't even look at the background < 1329173401 831807 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that statement have to with linux? < 1329173421 373924 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol and a windows blue screen < 1329173427 950315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just offended at the implication of real numbers having anything to do with computers. < 1329173481 671658 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/all/ the reals, rather. < 1329173517 666726 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also suspect the creator of this particular caption doesn't understand floating point numbers < 1329173518 384844 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess jesus is a float, since he supposedly walked on water? < 1329173524 686795 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1329173535 947844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah() { curl "$1" | perl -ne "print \"$2\":"'$1\n" while /]+>([^<]+)/g' >>allpages; } < 1329173540 864008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HOW DO YOU ESCAPE AARGH < 1329173560 39103 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: escape bash and you escape your escape problems < 1329173577 947020 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :One does not simply escape aargh. < 1329173603 64508 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: use single quotes in the perl code. or do you need it to interpolate? < 1329173604 644892 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1329173607 107652 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott* < 1329173628 411041 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what. < 1329173666 613486 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just remove the \"s and < 1329173682 411945 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...use ' I think? < 1329173683 461127 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1329173712 709819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's substituting in bash's $2 and $1 < 1329173721 117513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't meant to be passed literally to Perl < 1329173723 361811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most standard floating-point type of Pascal is called "real", that's offensive. < 1329173725 116939 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you want it to /not/ do that. < 1329173727 580370 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^>]+>([^<]+) looks like brainfuck < 1329173734 600000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, i assume, the second $1 is from perl < 1329173742 326715 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think it's substituting $2 and $1? < 1329173748 28447 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc '' ignores variables < 1329173751 104970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use ' instead of " and then bash won't interpolate. if you need to use single quotes inside perl use q/.../ < 1329173774 203047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, right, it is < 1329173779 130683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've rtied perl -ne 'print "'"$2"'... < 1329173781 64729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tried < 1329173786 784561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: the $2 refers to bash's $2, the second $1 to perl's $1 < 1329173787 205214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that puts literal quotes around $2 (?!) < 1329173848 390930 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use $$ to escape $ < 1329173886 616735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'd have to escape the regexp too, I think. < 1329173892 936827 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tends to use q and qq in perl to avoid bash escape hell. < 1329173896 489867 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would ever want to escape from their $? < 1329173913 486988 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this channel.. you can even make a bash script into a an esoteric challenge < 1329173919 323227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shouldn't you be escaping the $2 inside the Perl script, in case it contains a "? < 1329173949 150917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it won't < 1329173952 663190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a namespace name < 1329173953 14657 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should be passing $2 as a parameter, and recovering it inside perl with $2 < 1329173955 652010 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl quote-like operators would solve that problem as well. < 1329173956 867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for scraping allpages < 1329173972 526373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: oh, good idea, but don't you mean $ARGV[whatever]? < 1329173975 794609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, OK < 1329173981 314103 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use brackets. q(...) can basically contain anything. < 1329173982 44332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it contained esolang names, it'd get ugly < 1329174003 458558 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes that's what he means. :P < 1329174019 37425 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm just the village idiot, I don't know what is perl < 1329174044 640365 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, in case you forgot, the first element of ARGV is not the program name in perl) < 1329174079 950315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy thing to forget and mess up on. < 1329174104 399307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1329174105 790214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I use <> < 1329174110 770339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or equivalently, -n) < 1329174120 74174 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes. < 1329174133 951911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, hope you guys fix it by the time I come back OR ELSE < 1329174168 946934 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem with interpolating the whole string, using $$ to escape one of them, and using a quote-like operator if you need a nested string? < 1329174170 432871 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else you're going to write it in visual basic? < 1329174204 943367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you get if you replace perl -ne by echo ? < 1329174268 251772 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what is the : < 1329174295 850510 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears to be in the perl. < 1329174334 409942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: oh right! < 1329174377 914902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: remove the second \" < 1329174435 101723 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"print qq{$2:$$1\n} while /blahblahblah/g" < 1329174447 253721 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1329174508 872898 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's assuming you want whatever is inside $2 to be interpolated as perl and be able to do things like, say, execute arbitrary Perl code < 1329174512 211925 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/what/that/ < 1329174522 62097 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want that then I recommend using q instead. :P < 1329174591 911474 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For parsing HTML, you should use Visual Basic .NET. < 1329174606 750101 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am agree. use all .NET always. < 1329174725 290706 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but yeah try that but with q{...} instead of qq{...} (or just use ' even) < 1329174864 889788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i already gave a fix :( < 1329174899 213790 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, and it might fix other things as well. < 1329174923 309977 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, with mine, bash might accidentally interpret the regex as something (I am bad at bash stuff so I don't know) < 1329174972 895300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is named for what it makes you do to your head < 1329174995 953043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you fix it yet < 1329175001 218382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YES < 1329175001 571984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of amazed that we still actually use it... < 1329175006 134520 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it could be replaced easily. < 1329175014 384041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: remove the second \" < 1329175026 24552 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could definitely use perl's quoting constructs. As this is my primary frustration with bash. < 1329175042 104605 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if that doesn't work I have another suggest (it's even somewhat readable!) < 1329175136 984320 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :chsh /sbin/perl < 1329175161 465076 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modify perl to interpret all barewords as command lines < 1329175164 795664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in which one... < 1329175176 163869 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: < 1329175180 141615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah() { curl "$1" | perl -ne "print \"$2\":"'$1\n" while /]+>([^<]+)/g' >>allpages; } < 1329175181 223864 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet there's a source filter for that. < 1329175200 559961 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you could do it with an AUTOLOAD as well, I think. < 1329175258 593846 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :all linux distros should switch to perl6 at some point in the future. < 1329175271 583549 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even define a set of operators that make it bash-like. < 1329175281 67394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: [elliott@dinky esowiki]$ blah() { curl "$1" | perl -ne "print \"$2":"'$1\n" while /]+>([^<]+)/g' >>allpages; } < 1329175281 85527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: syntax error near unexpected token `<' < 1329175288 89973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1329175300 637328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the \ _and_ the " < 1329175310 318546 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you make it bash-like < 1329175313 131523 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "print a{$2:$$1\n} while /blahblahblah/g" < 1329175314 885253 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do this do this < 1329175335 91228 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: bash-like as-in supporting all the redirect/piping/file descriptor/etc stuff < 1329175340 711812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the useful things < 1329175344 388342 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I'd only ever put pugs in /sbin. < 1329175347 598771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: works thx < 1329175350 974190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1329175356 420117 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash redirection is amazingly confusing and limited < 1329175380 882631 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay fine just use perl6 then < 1329175400 901767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l allpages < 1329175401 76571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2248 allpages < 1329175401 852470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go < 1329175432 875981 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: note that mine is totally more clear. :> < 1329175467 32278 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming bash doesn't misinterpret the regex) < 1329175519 721729 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it suffers from no code injection exploits, which I'm sure is totally important. < 1329175530 81073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky esowiki]$ curl -F 'pages=allpages.xml < 1329175535 639363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be like a hundred megs < 1329175577 813737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.4 megs already < 1329175592 100955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet PHP will time out < 1329175593 510075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org down in 9, 8, ... < 1329175605 152942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if this works, the idea is to import the pages with this, import the user table separately, and upload files manually < 1329175608 136291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than importing the whole database < 1329175622 91966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cleaner and lets us avoid old MW cruft < 1329175658 461606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if any of the pages _use_ old MW cruft < 1329175665 543757 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how well does it handle the ";fork while fork;# namespace < 1329175667 39479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's currently onto [[brainfuck]] < 1329175669 322804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wtf does that mean < 1329175688 853131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i'm just making up disaster scenarios < 1329175712 599981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: old MW cruft = the fact that the database schema on esolangs.org is 5 years old < 1329175719 794491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1329175731 617284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the XML export format is stable, so we can isolate the cruft that needs to be migrated to the users table < 1329175746 298582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than mangling the SQL dump, importing it, and having MW's scripts upgrade it piecemeal < 1329175761 41581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll still get a full DB dump from Graue if I can. < 1329175765 603384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's onto [[brainfuck constants]] now :P < 1329175792 20458 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329175792 39289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a large one < 1329175821 426063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, tswett is responsible for the site subtitle I don't like < 1329175824 932597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the largest. well, there's that nthern archive or what it was < 1329175831 75403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means I can change it without fear of Graue < 1329175844 115929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what subtitle < 1329175854 679292 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also the well-known @{[sub{fork while fork}->()]} namespace < 1329175868 51289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitesubtitle < 1329175885 65510 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that subtitle either < 1329175895 423693 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just learned about it today, by clicking that link < 1329175902 201018 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then reading < 1329175932 816743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw what would be lost in the process of this would be: deleted pages, and logs like blocks/rights changes; I have a few-days-old dump of esowiki, so the only deleted pages truly lost would be spam, and if I get a full DB dump from Graue nothing will be lost < 1329176002 729577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, it'd be trivial to spider all of http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=&user=&page=&limit=500&offset=0 < 1329176100 128206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reminded of that legoman inscription < 1329176121 552001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1329176159 481846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :No real than you are < 1329176193 536526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A more explicit example, especially if you also want to save the darn thing, would be" --MediaWiki manual < 1329176283 179911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :71 megs... < 1329176285 494092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the heck is the subtitle linked _from_, anyway? < 1329176318 202939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's in the printed view and some skins < 1329176322 907714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in monobook if you copy the whole text < 1329176323 85053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329176550 182966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :93 megs < 1329176773 997365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :112 megs < 1329176814 316718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on to talk:bitbitjump < 1329177322 482466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1329177323 534839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :155 megs < 1329177332 65993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how easy is it to revert a Special:Import? < 1329177351 134683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have to delete the page < 1329177378 297052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so a Special:Import of >2000 pages... < 1329177380 583466 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329177481 117907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pain < 1329177493 381144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: restoring from an SQL backup would undo it all, right? < 1329177497 953519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't upload files or anything < 1329177511 429125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right