< 1329436834 946528 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll insert some mathspeak: intervals of wavelengths within the visible color spectrum such that a suitable sample size of wavelengths from this interval are indistinguishable to 100% of a suitable sample size of human test subjects. < 1329436847 631798 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329436894 345498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Color isn't even a wavelength (unless you think "brown" isn't a color); it's a spectral energy distribution. < 1329436953 592864 :Frooxius__!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329437001 885106 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't a specific color a (wavelength, luminance) pair? < 1329437014 443054 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, magenta. < 1329437017 68015 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get to be a color. < 1329437052 23577 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329437056 665770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you ask a regular person. There's no "brown" wavelength. < 1329437057 578416 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329437063 40498 :Frooxius___!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329437066 999125 :Frooxius___!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1329437079 621666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need at least three coordinates, given that there's (usually) three types of color receptors. < 1329437089 415529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we were dichromates, all colors we were capable of perceiving would be representable identically as (wavelenth, luminance) pairs. < 1329437093 242655 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we're trichromates. < 1329437098 331897 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence fizzie's mention of three :) < 1329437120 436529 :Sgeo|web!897d6907@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.105.7 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1329437124 83589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the tetrachromates. Hands up, everyone who's one. < 1329437141 768439 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cocks his gun.
< 1329437143 794527 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329437151 700317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK: http://li278-81.members.linode.com/wiki/Main_Page < 1329437155 71687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the site run fast for you guys? < 1329437159 645293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say "(You'll be shot.)" < 1329437162 388654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should do (all the caching and everything is on). < 1329437169 227214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I haven't yet turned the PHP cache up to the maxxx. < 1329437169 757855 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fast enough. < 1329437179 91024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How much did you click around? :P < 1329437195 110907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be interested in numbers on reloads (just plain Ctrl+R) from Chrome's Network tab.
< 1329437213 218411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hi, Maemo user. < 1329437225 898814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hewwo there. < 1329437236 859652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just frontpaged, that's all. < 1329437249 243990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phone's not really best for speedtesting. < 1329437266 730191 :Frooxius__!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1329437313 852279 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1329437335 391882 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329437413 472733 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently don't understand color at all. < 1329437421 650954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, how fast does http://li278-81.members.linode.com/wiki/Main_Page load < 1329437461 555185 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329437497 105164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cones_SMJ2_E.svg < 1329437505 372433 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks a lot like a wavelength, luminance pair to me. < 1329437641 586520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, those are the response curves for the three types of receptors; a single (wavelength, luminance) pair is not enough to produce all (R1,R2,R3) response triplets that the receptors generate. < 1329437682 826686 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right. < 1329437683 550573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do not use the guns no being shot please. < 1329437708 353731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you tell me how quickly http://li278-81.members.linode.com/wiki/Main_Page loads, I'll never use the guns! < 1329437725 585159 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, because you can be perceiving multiple sources of light at once right? < 1329437794 150311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much multiple sources as it is non-monochromatic sources; light that has energy at multiple wavelengths. < 1329437799 531804 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I time it on Windows? < 1329437801 640854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly two coordinates in the CIE xy chromaticity diagram might be enough to define a "color", if you think all colors are in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CIExy1931.png -- but that means "red" and "dark red" aren't differen't colors. < 1329437895 739906 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't dark red just have lower intensity... < 1329437898 454177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you just designate three wavelengths as "primaries", and specify their amplitudes, and then you get a triangle on that graph that you can repesent using those. < 1329437899 932370 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The footer HTML comment says 0.048 seconds < 1329437917 590683 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329437921 140086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's how long MW takes to generate it. But anything faster than "it took 5 seconds" is OK by me. < 1329437921 832083 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know if that is correct < 1329437941 51641 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does take less than 5 seconds. < 1329437976 975957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have (x,y) coordinates from that graph and "intensity" (it's not quite it), you again have three coordinates. < 1329437997 663212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unable to log in. < 1329438008 390172 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, hm, you're saying that by lowering the intensity at the "red" wavelength you actually add more green. < 1329438016 314799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you just designate three wavelengths as "primaries", and specify their amplitudes, and then you get a triangle on that graph that you can repesent using those primaries. Then you print your triangle and show it's bigger than your competitor's triangle. < 1329438039 211317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then home-theater enthusiasts buy your projector instead. < 1329438044 322102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, that's correct. It doesn't have the user table and the database is locked./ < 1329438053 86561 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do these competitions often happen over the internet? I think I've heard about what you're talking about. < 1329438053 457834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm going to show this to Graue, basically. < 1329438067 960061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are those nameservers still down? < 1329438090 704300 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still doesn't completely understand the distinction
< 1329438096 322827 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizie: No I want to use color with any number of primaries. RGB is a useful approximation but for high-quality it is insufficient. < 1329438124 466755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that the responsivity curves would describe all of the perceivable colors... < 1329438127 499965 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me. < 1329438148 469356 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the third input parameter that doesn't correspond to wavelength and luminance? < 1329438152 832908 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329438177 883776 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether it is trichromate or tetrachromate, there is still potentially inaccuracy but if it is trichromate only, it is somewhat inaccurate and if tetrachromate as well it is slightly less inaccurate but will still be inaccurate regardless; combination is less inaccurate but still inaccurate too bad sorry < 1329438197 73069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You need to be able to generate all possible (R1,R2,R3) values, where Rn is the energy of your spectral distribution integrated over the spectrum, multiplied by that curve. < 1329438198 324407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, it also depend on, whether it is screen or printer, you need different colors for making accurate! < 1329438228 897797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You can't do that with a distribution that's a Dirac delta at particular wavelength, multiplied by an amplitude. < 1329438292 372235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the same reasons as you can't span the R^3 space with just two R^3 vectors. < 1329438364 286438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If all your energy is at one wavelength, R1=k1*a, R2=k2*a, R3=k3*a, where a is your amplitude and k1, k2, k3 are values of those curves at your wavelength.) < 1329438386 44497 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right I see. < 1329438447 43509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that sendmail-providing package people use? < 1329438449 492508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't provide anything else. < 1329438450 579917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie? < 1329438458 908366 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"because there can be more than one input wavelength" would have been sufficient I think. :P < 1329438459 360191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, the above might not be quite mathematically accurate and I'm sure with some curve shapes (like if two curves are exactly the same) you could get all responses with one peak that you can with an arbitrary distribution, but never mind that.) < 1329438469 400006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's ssmtp, msmtp... I can't figure out which one to use. :p < 1329438497 34136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "ssmtp" is the one really small one that just provides a "sendmail" binary which speaks directly to a SMTP server. < 1329438523 825460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Thank you. < 1329438524 502334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that "msmtp" might do pretty much the same thing. < 1329438535 979935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following packages will be REMOVED: < 1329438536 166375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light < 1329438537 629465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1329438542 305360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have those, shouldn't I have sendmail(1)? < 1329438546 199463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, nope, < 1329438551 458652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::? < 1329438565 13052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye-s, I'd think. But maybe it's in exim4-something. < 1329438579 2629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's in some weird place always. < 1329438606 510571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /usr/sbin < 1329438607 790646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that < 1329438615 925732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so super. < 1329438617 668169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ /usr/sbin/sendmail < 1329438617 854998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exim is a Mail Transfer Agent. It is normally called by Mail User Agents, < 1329438617 855201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not directly from a shell command line. Options and/or arguments control < 1329438617 855310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it does when called. For a list of options, see the Exim documentation. < 1329438619 771986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waaah. < 1329438627 90636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, is it plausible that PHP mail() fails because it can't find that sendmail? < 1329438648 41313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess, though sbin is not really a strange place. < 1329438669 317550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sendmail_path string < 1329438669 620625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where the Postfix sendmail combattability wrapper is, too. < 1329438669 807822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the sendmail program can be found, usually /usr/sbin/sendmail or /usr/lib/sendmail. configure does an honest attempt of locating this one for you and set a default, but if it fails, you can set it here. < 1329438671 806808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1329438695 874476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall PHP could also deliver by smtp by itself, but I could be wrong. < 1329438706 617627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jann.is/daily/archives/741-Cannot-send-mail-with-PHP-and-exim.html < 1329438708 796441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1329438735 605043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1329438736 732980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : The -i option prevents a line containing just a dot from terminating the message. Only an end-of-file (generated by typing CTRL-D if the input is from a < 1329438736 920890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : terminal) does so. < 1329438739 942713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just install ssmtp. < 1329438750 864110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're all sendmail-"compatible". < 1329438763 715298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that they ignore a bazillion options. < 1329438779 372556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang could not send your confirmation mail. Please check your e-mail address for invalid characters. < 1329438779 562850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mailer returned: Unknown error in PHP's mail() function. < 1329438812 639961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssmtp needs some global configuration; namely, the smtp server to speak to. < 1329438820 413589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, it uses SMTP? < 1329438825 975676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want something that connects to a server and blabs mail at it. < 1329438828 983693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I need for that? < 1329438832 836270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say sendmail. < 1329438920 416283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean a specific outgoing-mail server (that would be ssmtp), or one that actually does MX lookups and tries to deliver to the proper servers and keeps queues since they're down and so on (that would be Exim, Postfix, sendmail, any "real" MTA)? < 1329438955 621950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter. But I don't care about the queue thing. < 1329438977 772078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postfix is a pain to set up, right? < 1329439008 336991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's really any middle ground there; if you want a thing that does MX lookups and falls back to secondaries and so on, it's going to be a "real MTA". < 1329439024 936630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble. < 1329439041 933010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reinstalls Exim.
< 1329439061 652415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Debian default Postfix configs (it's got about five "templates" of which you can select, at least with dpkg-reconfigure) I think should get things mostly right. < 1329439070 387417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Exim's the "default" one. < 1329439117 750479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will all accept "local" mail, though, they're like that. < 1329439135 227462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"local" mail howso? < 1329439145 688981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want it to accept mail. < 1329439211 984360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone sends to postmaster@your1234.linode.com (or whatever the IP was), it'll get deposited to /var/spool/mail/root or somesuch, by the default configs. At least that's my guess. < 1329439213 962728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removing -i appears to have helped exactly nothing. < 1329439224 114168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought one of the "default" configs stopped that. < 1329439244 869566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exim can be set up for "local delivery only; not on a network". < 1329439262 420715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work? < 1329439262 989662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much the opposite. < 1329439271 340212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. So is that why this isn't working? < 1329439274 503368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it defaults to. < 1329439275 350130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it'll only let you sendmail to local accounts. < 1329439283 819254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chooses internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP
< 1329439321 263492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections: │ < 1329439321 532582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ < 1329439321 720368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ 127.0.0.1 ; ::1___ < 1329439325 405292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What if I just set this to the empty string? < 1329439336 501738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or,w ait. < 1329439340 661491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Localhost like that could be good enough. < 1329439342 962027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it listens on 127.0.0.1, the internet won't see it, will it? < 1329439343 887300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1329439345 526225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the default. < 1329439350 767865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then smtp-to-localhost will still work. < 1329439362 444709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :M'k, well, that should work. < 1329439376 980804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤ Mail Server configuration ├───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ < 1329439377 169951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ < 1329439377 356703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ The Debian exim4 packages can either use 'unsplit configuration', a single monolithic file (/etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template) or 'split configuration', where the │ < 1329439378 937174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ actual Exim configuration files are built from about 50 smaller files in /etc/exim4/conf.d/. │ < 1329439381 972960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ < 1329439385 82188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ Unsplit configuration is better suited for large modifications and is generally more stable, whereas split configuration offers a comfortable way to make │ < 1329439388 79961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ smaller modifications but is more fragile and might break if modified carelessly. │ < 1329439390 962868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ < 1329439393 993106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ A more detailed discussion of split and unsplit configuration can be found in the Debian-specific README files in /usr/share/doc/exim4-base. │ < 1329439397 14286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ < 1329439400 91156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ Split configuration into small files? │ < 1329439403 69561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ < 1329439406 172339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ < 1329439408 125306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, it is difficult to express how little I care, Exim. < 1329439412 222296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally it works. < 1329439436 270966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though since your server shows up in the "Received:" headers, some 1970s-era people might assume that postmaster@yourbox can be contacted for abuse reports.) < 1329439479 984528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This allows the site administrator to specify an email address that the wiki can contact if something goes wrong. Current versions of MediaWiki (1.13 and above) do not use this setting, having delegated its uses to $wgPasswordSender, but future versions or extensions might." < 1329439490 648912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1329439501 654774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People emailing esolang@linode-crap will not get a reply, but... too lazy to fix this. < 1329439591 867126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now email works. < 1329439790 261149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you might still get some local mail somewhere, since when exim gives up trying to deliver someone's registration mail, it'll probably try to make a bounce. < 1329439850 616926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe not very noticeable volumes.) < 1329440274 731148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329440359 800095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okays, slep now, have some bloodletting scheduled in five hours or so. < 1329440365 966750 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I wonder: What is the best compression scheme, which is not too complicated, for sokoban levels? < 1329440517 506536 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to care about compression for sokoban levels? < 1329440541 438748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am just thinking about it; it is not entirely very important. < 1329440846 236718 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say. Would anyone happen to know if the Thue-Morse sequence can be found by sampling periodically from a periodic function? < 1329440862 591081 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, of course it can. < 1329440925 373180 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be found by sampling periodically from... a periodic, Riemann-integrable function? < 1329440926 857895 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329441737 86003 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-051.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329441967 43747 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-015-238.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1329443366 24254 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329443389 282837 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329444324 256140 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329444330 156242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK? < 1329444950 710538 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329445048 791609 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329445049 655182 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1329445208 225478 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329445304 401595 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1329445306 136208 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1329445385 324162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK? < 1329445458 391226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1329445794 289620 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329445892 610663 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329445896 296054 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1329446421 234514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone with IPv6 present? < 1329446423 163205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant? fizzie? < 1329446426 753802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf? < 1329446455 254419 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott! < 1329446460 201797 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has IPv6.
< 1329446465 976112 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a VPS, anyway. < 1329446489 236388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does http://[2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd]/wiki/Main_Page work correctly? < 1329446734 416176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ? < 1329446749 140325 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, I only have it on a VPS. < 1329446755 847528 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do the brackets mean? < 1329446869 620056 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're used to disambiguate the port : or something? < 1329446888 383476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1329446891 790433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it on a VPS. < 1329446894 466476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use curl or whatever. < 1329446921 337331 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl isn't installed. < 1329446923 949604 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget -O- fails. < 1329446958 917523 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connecting to 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd:80... failed: Connection refused. < 1329447014 340524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is odd. < 1329447036 962774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To attach an IP to your interface, issue the following command, making sure to replace the example IP with one of your pool addresses: < 1329447037 149364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1329447039 794225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1329447043 896398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it later. < 1329447073 809185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I should write the email to Graue. < 1329447100 100378 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, ping6 worked... < 1329447120 676365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/800_numbers < 1329447126 364665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Odd. < 1329447134 436226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably I need to fiddle with nginx configuration. < 1329447158 6645 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get it to accept a connection on any port. < 1329447191 968901 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking 800 numbers was an esolang. < 1329447252 743580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ping. < 1329447576 43162 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1329447918 16934 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329447949 40532 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329447987 227209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I have encoded a sokoban game is basically like this: The level is encoded as a stream of nybbles. First encode the size and the starting position (the size is offset by the minimum). And then encode walls using RLE but only the length; it automatically alternates wall/floor, and the player's position is skipped. And then, for the floors (including the player), encode RLE of the targets. < 1329448040 999704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that, the number of crates is already known because it equal number of targets. Encode number of empty spaces to the next crate, skipping walls, player, and spaces where a crate would get stuck. And that is finish. < 1329448121 494122 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well would you think this work? < 1329448198 816663 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The edge of the board is automatically filled with walls and is not part of the encoding. < 1329448566 128585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guses what I have ready to send? < 1329448568 947348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Guess < 1329448614 152843 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An email to Grue! < 1329448619 240258 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greu < 1329448620 806221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue. < 1329448621 820807 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grew < 1329448626 395845 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grauel < 1329448630 144641 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Growl < 1329448635 451461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sgeo: tswett: Oi. < 1329448775 984604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oioi. calamari: oi. < 1329448792 158766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oi. olsner oi. < 1329448798 227955 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1329448810 527323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have an Esolang account, yes? < 1329448822 182990 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Gregor get six times as many Ois as pikhq? < 1329448836 630881 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes its monqy < 1329448839 943969 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monqy < 1329448852 279999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Right. Unfortunately you've made two (2) non-spam-revert edits so I can't use you. < 1329448859 817193 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a second? < 1329448878 77108 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right a talk page thing probably < 1329448881 540956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Billlam&diff=prev&oldid=23812 < 1329448895 453667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Billlam&diff=next&oldid=23813 < 1329448899 206120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oppressening < 1329448961 153845 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Monqy&oldid=22370 monqys proudest edit < 1329448996 787763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't those oi'd people awake? < 1329449008 925679 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't you Oi people who were awake? < 1329449018 970688 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to know the number of non-spam-revert edits? < 1329449031 857056 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know irssi only beeps when your nick is mentioned *right at the beginning* of a line? < 1329449095 339877 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: My client doesn't beep at all unless you tell it to; and if you do tell it to, you can configure your own pattern. Maybe irssi has a similar feature? < 1329449122 440146 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi does. < 1329449123 801080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1329449125 609816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: x < 1329449126 514376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: x < 1329449127 458511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x < 1329449128 338643 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the default. < 1329449128 524894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: x < 1329449129 622857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: x < 1329449131 811504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: x < 1329449185 648341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to figure out compressed sokoban encoding so that I can figure out how many will fit in various media, such as simple handwritten codes, QR codes, short radio signals, NES/Famicom cartridges, DVD, etc < 1329449193 558583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cpg/2854040585.html < 1329449197 410688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To apply (required step): < 1329449197 597417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please enclose your favorite one-liner in your favorite esoteric language :)" < 1329449200 695674 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then can do similar thing for more complicated games too, such as tsume shogi < 1329449201 588109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Y Combinator, man. < 1329449207 674195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all weirdos. < 1329449304 744414 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, maybe I should go work there. < 1329449310 846942 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I hate all esoteric languages equally. < 1329449316 500902 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it's pointless. < 1329449318 574468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Underload? < 1329449332 731381 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. (What's Underload?) < 1329449354 539334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload < 1329449355 525490 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, ais523. < 1329449357 37920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favourite esolang. < 1329449363 213003 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to hate underload < 1329449383 252386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you're terrible. < 1329449504 311876 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I terrible? < 1329449526 308953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you hate Underload? < 1329449555 236263 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate all esoteric languages equally. < 1329449572 826269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if Underload wasn't esoteric? < 1329449585 193999 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All programming languages are esoteric. < 1329449588 382135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1329449590 440368 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hated unequally < 1329449599 502504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WAKE UP GAWD < 1329449701 666363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1329449719 936621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Email to Graue sent. < 1329449723 108174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, we wait. < 1329449774 202687 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you double-check to make sure that the email doesn't consist of the words "HEY GRUEWAHTVERF I HATE U"? < 1329449791 311084 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be the wrong thing to write. < 1329449796 907102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT < 1329449810 76801 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329449844 450266 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're well-known for telling people you don't like them very much, after all. < 1329449869 721721 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329449914 642282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well-known. < 1329450318 186858 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you rang? :) < 1329450326 838597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Too late! But hi. < 1329450340 619853 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329450353 192860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You sure do like YAML. < 1329450365 510627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: (I was trying to find more people to support my presidential run.) < 1329450391 603448 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't like it as much as a certain other person. < 1329450407 21072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's that? < 1329450448 292715 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by too late, does that mean you lost already? < 1329450464 915126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. (No.) < 1329450471 990804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "presidential run", I mean "server migration plan". < 1329450561 188589 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ron paul is on the way out so looks like I'll be voting LP this primary < 1329450611 56927 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's what I do. < 1329450645 98078 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't feel like switching to republican party for the primary when he's already lost < 1329450744 498371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Vi? < 1329450772 153433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Toooo late. < 1329450788 849032 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could've assumed my support by default. :P < 1329450863 929441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but then what if he came into #esoteric and went "pikhq!! DID YOU EXPLICITLY SUPPORT HIM" and you'd be all "No" and he'd be all "I WILL STRIKE HIM DOWN" < 1329450868 49759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF. < 1329450872 131524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue is a very scary man. < 1329451677 878362 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329452840 971652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1329452848 584043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, cached pages aren't being sent gzipped. < 1329452850 154263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Fix that. < 1329453414 372617 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making a text adventure system in Haskell. Here is some types is this good to you? type GameFunction = (Game, TranscriptItem) -> (String, SystemRequest); data SystemRequest = UserInput !String !Game | UserDirectInput !String !Game | RewindTo !Int (Game -> Game) | RequestRandomNumber !Int !Game | GameOver; < 1329453529 390395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it be designed differently? < 1329454087 68436 :TeruFSX!~quassel@63-226-178-185.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329455897 76870 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-48-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT : < 1329456564 770039 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1329457173 21795 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329457191 840760 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329457564 958262 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't everybody talk at once. < 1329457608 65284 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :はい！ < 1329457624 804726 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329457675 43579 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chaj. < 1329457851 263648 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people in #concatenative had mixed reactions to an article I wrote about concatenative languages. < 1329457871 223638 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't the best thing I've ever written... < 1329457876 260397 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329457898 388410 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't embarrass them did you < 1329457902 162290 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, it's embarrassing. Bask in my embarrassment. < 1329457911 528795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things you write have differing levels of badness? < 1329457911 715155 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not particularly. < 1329457918 657751 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got new people to come to their channel. < 1329457921 148082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We saw it, by the way. Unfortunately. < 1329457924 948417 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Assuredly! < 1329457937 801856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe you. < 1329457938 816408 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go from mediocre to quite terrible. < 1329457947 676115 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should know this. < 1329458017 926198 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329458894 248179 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1329459028 290457 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329459036 22307 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz PART :#esoteric < 1329459071 915022 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329459362 923319 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329459462 61984 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm < 1329459472 681651 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy/difficult would it be to make a Smalltalk VM for LSL? < 1329459503 62807 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I can't even begin to envision how to begin building anything like an IDE < 1329459520 379981 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the second life thing? heh heh heh < 1329459533 461217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't you doing [insert language here] for LSL? < 1329459571 648121 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do a concatenative language!!!!! < 1329460315 323837 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp. < 1329460324 734686 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are all the rage, don't you know. < 1329460442 847451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, "concatenative language" has a concrete definition. < 1329462060 746479 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes...and? < 1329462102 736672 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, I could have done a better job on that article. < 1329462114 920938 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had spent a while writing it and got fed up with it. < 1329462134 580705 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just posted it, submitted it to HN, and waited to see what happened. < 1329462150 714383 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened is way more people read it than I'd expected. < 1329462192 443698 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an authority. < 1329462196 937531 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just some guy. < 1329462409 259240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought you should know < 1329462479 420898 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, explain it to me. < 1329462502 72585 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I really ought to know. < 1329462511 722673 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning new things is great. < 1329462621 698058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language in which syntactic composition is semantic composition. "A concatenative programming language is a point-free programming language in which all expressions denote functions and the juxtaposition of expressions denotes function composition." --Wikipedia or more formally (from [[Joy]]): "the meaning function is a homomorphism from the syntactic monoid onto the semantic monoid" < 1329462707 822968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you can turn a language with f(x) style application into one with f(g) style composition but it would not be concatenative. < 1329462733 966328 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1329462735 567136 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good way of putting it. < 1329462768 420594 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329462838 100185 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linky? < 1329463061 33215 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What to? < 1329463071 674996 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, your article < 1329463093 582476 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, fucking http://evincarofautumn.blogspot.com/2012/02/why-concatenative-programming-matters.html < 1329463107 3600 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so done with it. < 1329463165 616691 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's yours? < 1329463206 971228 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1329463235 25153 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blames evincar for his newfound interest in Smalltalk (because I was looking at Factor thanks to that article, then Slava apparently stopped doing Factor stuff)
< 1329463252 44085 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just found out about that from the comments on HN. < 1329463264 740903 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Factor development is to cease. < 1329463270 612206 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 0.94 or something. < 1329463324 377769 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess will be good for marketing Prog, if people end up looking for "the next concatenative language". < 1329463324 606380 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the reason that I like Pharo and its IDE so much might have more to do with me perceiving more mainstream IDEs as bloated < 1329463330 410693 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prog? < 1329463347 469186 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My current language project." < 1329463359 785127 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I sound like such an ass whenever I say that now. < 1329463361 405148 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that that language < 1329463364 403364 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1329463367 854547 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is not that language. < 1329463370 332672 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a different language. < 1329463373 851106 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like all of them. < 1329463376 204869 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to that language :'( < 1329463378 524751 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, at least there's only one right now. < 1329463382 653784 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one/ < 1329463384 326560 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1329463385 588665 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1329463393 462450 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Built-in functions and flow-control statements are actually operators." < 1329463398 909450 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Smalltalky one with weird compositional semantics? < 1329463403 641704 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1329463410 464268 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every language of you'rs youv'e presented in here < 1329463420 275163 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread that at first, I think. < 1329463438 689317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there is any indication factor development will cease completely. < 1329463439 710677 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do appreciate flow-control being actually ... library-like, but built-in functions are operators? < 1329463444 706154 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's .. a bit new to me < 1329463448 888688 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I dunno what you're quoting from. Probably an old article on my blog that sucks? < 1329463454 289268 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prog.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/SyntaxOverview < 1329463455 41980 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what does "built in functions and flow-control statements are actually operators" even mean or do i not want to know < 1329463467 197857 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, < 1329463467 786763 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prog < 1329463468 467800 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I looking at the wrong Prog? < 1329463470 119753 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh fuck don't look at that repo. < 1329463479 667610 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same name for a different thing. < 1329463481 437718 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1329463482 708417 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two progs < 1329463490 740763 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should pick a less already used name < 1329463505 375456 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some types like to "decay" into other types. Any operation on a value of a radioactive type R results in an R containing a closure describing the operation. " < 1329463516 888115 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of what was that amazing language < 1329463542 747099 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radioactive types != lazy evaluation, if that's what you mean. < 1329463546 709231 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazinglanguage.com/ < 1329463547 538423 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alefpp.sourceforge.net/ < 1329463556 36453 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, so it IS your thing? < 1329463574 227892 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar made two things called prog????? < 1329463577 874549 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I created that SourceForge project ages ago, yeah. < 1329463589 740042 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're your own worst enemy < 1329463605 757268 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I decided Prog shouldn't be the ill-defined thing it was, and redefined it, borrowing the good stuff from the original. < 1329463609 213481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what IS that < 1329463615 718068 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you remember?? < 1329463619 197412 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's Alef++! < 1329463619 555936 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alef++ < 1329463623 666501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i happily forgot < 1329463627 290703 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alef++, has a crazy syntax." < 1329463648 829872 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... never the most advertised thing on any language that is not an esolang. < 1329463651 557740 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much ever. < 1329463665 663094 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, some languages have unusual seeming syntax, but that's usually not a selling point, is it? < 1329463672 957661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the closest i've found to the sourcereal of programming languages < 1329463676 861991 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he means "crazy" in the sense that preteens mean "random". < 1329463697 463788 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUFFIN < 1329463700 231207 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my life goal is to find the sourcereal of programming languages) < 1329463701 88885 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh that's so RANDOM!" < 1329463729 65015 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourcereal? < 1329463740 474619 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sour cereal? < 1329463747 214259 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds unpleasant. < 1329463756 598071 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :out. < 1329463811 194396 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I-- < 1329463865 314531 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. No sense of comedic timing. < 1329463875 317522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1329463926 704080 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, the "hurr durr operators" thing was because the original thing that was called Prog could be parsed with an operator precedence parser. < 1329463964 874332 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everything built-in was an operator. < 1329464057 114733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news! < 1329464061 892527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue replied to my email < 1329464088 822112 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliot president of esolangs < 1329464420 707364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they already have "gets() 19xx-2011 never forget" T-shirts available. < 1329464441 629712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Those afraid nameservers are still down, right? < 1329464464 551936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freedns.afraid.org/news/ < 1329464465 545042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bad news, the email was just a string of profanities? < 1329464491 393021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said things are looking up, or something, when I checked in the morning. < 1329464498 665330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1329464508 381891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good news, i.e. he thinks the plan is a good one. < 1329464540 516881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You figured that out from the string of profanities? Good decoding. (I mean, I suppose this is one of those good-news-bad-news-good-news-bad-news routines.) < 1329464572 378528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were very articulate profanities! < 1329464577 588175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ dig @ns4.afraid.org esolangs.org a | grep '^eso.*IN.*A' < 1329464577 774612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org. 3600 IN A 207.7.108.149 < 1329464580 398388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like the chef sketch in the first key and peele. <3 that sketch. < 1329464584 767133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work-ish. But ns3 doesn't. < 1329464599 956541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there might be delays and such. < 1329464624 796846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Dig's so verbose, it's annoying to paste.) < 1329464685 570787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that nslookup thing. < 1329464816 960284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the BIND9-utils 'host' tool, that's not too bad. < 1329464823 952727 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig +short < 1329464828 788611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh. < 1329464844 113550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's very short. < 1329464889 475137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there any "+short-ish-but-not-quite-that-short-i-mean-like-one-line-but-maybe-still-repeat-the-name-and-type-or-something"? < 1329464907 445166 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig +noall +answer < 1329464920 132699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's nice. < 1329464938 653627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also shorter than my proposed name. < 1329464948 338517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why did you want a MW parser, by the way? < 1329464985 222761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't, now; I just recall wanting one a couple of years back and things weren't... good. Not sure what for. < 1329465017 101098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's a shame, I was going to bet you I could write a fully-compatible one. < 1329465025 815756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For HUGE CACHE. < 1329465027 547428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CASH < 1329465033 775985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CACHE < 1329465065 597490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you mean 32 megabytes or something!? (Are the caches in fact even larger nowadays? I really haven't been following.) < 1329465067 391770 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is huge cache * cash * cache? Is huge cache * cache = huge cache²? < 1329465079 238062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They've been shrinkin'. < 1329465096 217121 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWSS < 1329465100 14912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i7 has 256-k-per-core-or-so and 8 meg L3. < 1329465101 998560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Nehalem did. < 1329465110 550069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, seems it's the same now. < 1329465119 27492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cache size : 6144 KB" on this old thing. < 1329465130 183874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess 32 megs is quite many megs. < 1329465149 335402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Well, obviously juxtaposition is multiplication. So it's a huge cash cache^2. < 1329465153 252051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cache of caches of cash. < 1329465166 515933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you store all your guns and money somewhere, and then have a big storage of those... < 1329465193 558401 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s caches all the way down. < 1329465224 974241 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some recent Xeons go up to 30MiB L3. < 1329465249 261561 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, that's "really huge cache" < 1329465302 127556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually we'll just have terabyte L1s or something. < 1329465312 574764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xeon E7-8867L, ten cores, 10x256k L2, 30M L3, I see. < 1329465325 122744 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And up to 8 chips supported. :) < 1329465353 127093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, but then we'll have petabyte RAM and still 200MHz RAM clock. < 1329465441 553218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They installed a couple (16?) Nvidia Tesla M2090 cards to our cluster for testing, those are supposedly pretty spiffy. < 1329465486 599906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also two "fat nodes" with 1T of RAM each; I wonder if they feel bad about being called that. < 1329465650 291031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old ones were some kind of 12-core (2*6) Opterons; these new are some kind of Xeons, but I see no-one's bothered to update the documentation yet. < 1329465753 27063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's also 2*6 of Xeon X5650. < 1329465848 487511 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329466763 518841 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-051.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1329466791 480498 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-051.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329467000 434706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Footage has finally surfaced of Dean Dinnen's chainsaw-assisted attack at The Endyke Pub in Hull. Wasted and stoned out of his mind, the 24-year-old got sensitive after being told he couldn't smoke inside of the bar. Drowning in liquor and his feelings, he went back to his crib to grab his chainsaw. < 1329467005 951324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dinnen returned to the pub, wielding the weapon in a substance-fueled raged. Other customers tossed bar stools, kegs, and pool cues at him, but that didn't stop him from tearing through 32-year-old Andrew Pryor's arm." < 1329467010 428536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you Brits. < 1329467040 677493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here people just use axes. < 1329467090 404744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie should i sleep < 1329467155 951363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have slept and woken up, that's what I didded. < 1329467168 895389 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland, the people tossing bar stools etc. would probably get fined or jailed for assault and battery. < 1329467190 431008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too. < 1329467374 549803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One wonders why he had a chainsaw in the first place. < 1329467432 130553 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related (in Finnish, sorry): http://www.aamulehti.fi/Kotimaa/1194722981981/artikkeli/il+mies+hyppasi+liikkuvasta+taksista+kuljettajalle+vaadittiin+tuomiota+kuolemantuottamuksesta.html < 1329467434 437601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zombie survivalists all have. < 1329467530 736156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh no, don't tell me you're Finnish too. < 1329467545 308487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The district court sentenced the driver only traffic from exile." Oh, Google Translate. < 1329467598 18790 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ok, i won’t. < 1329467615 333388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Good. < 1329467746 461840 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Farewell < 1329467814 344996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I bet Graue is sleeping right now. Why amn't I? < 1329468645 658269 :evincar!~evincar@daffa.student.rit.edu QUIT :Quit: Sleep. < 1329469326 165768 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1329469406 84029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329470162 397206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1329471354 863224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1329471952 765732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's really happening < 1329472733 13090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kallisti but do we delineate an infinite spectrum of colors? <-- well relativity basically means it cannot be any more quantized than length itself, and no one has found any evidence length is quantized, although i think there are theories that it may happen at or near planck length scale < 1329472733 528037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1329473682 918516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can it be found by sampling periodically from... a periodic, Riemann-integrable function? < 1329473686 370936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1329474230 687573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0)(1)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1329474230 874380 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output! < 1329474256 20194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION things his fingers might be starting to remember that
< 1329474257 796422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*k < 1329474402 659301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doesn't UP say something about measuring the energy (i.e. wavelength) of photons? ∆E∆t > one of the h's, or something. < 1329474427 464017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but that doesn't mean those are quantized separately. < 1329474581 47510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, relativity means you can always find a different frame of reference in which the energy is whatever value you want above the minimum, so it cannot have a discrete set of values for particles moving freely < 1329474652 540630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, sure, but the point was that can we differentiate between systems A and B which e.g. emit photons at wavelength x and x+e for arbitrarily small e? < 1329474679 688276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I think the actual point was whether unaided humans can, with our built-in sensory apparatus.) < 1329474704 788499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well iiuc, if we use long enough time for the measurement the ∆t part can become as large as we wish... < 1329474764 695256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the UP doesn't restrict the precision for just a single of the observables < 1329474769 558715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's a finite time. < 1329474820 619936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose. < 1329474971 742165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't think ∆t is just how long we spend for measuring things. But I'm very much not a physicist. < 1329475087 138308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither am i, really < 1329475312 877054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How easy/difficult would it be to make a Smalltalk VM for LSL? <-- so let me guess, my joke about you using LSL instead of Smalltalk for whatever it was you were doing has now mutated. < 1329475342 682426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, implementing haskell < 1329475355 616701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, haskell in a smalltalk vm in lsl. check. < 1329475357 209385 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329476729 121963 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1329477526 595170 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329477689 833090 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dotsies.org/ cool, another programmer reinventing the alphabet without even a basic knowledge of how human vision works < 1329478024 844754 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329478145 659861 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329478162 845008 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329478216 773489 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A scary thought occurs < 1329478231 708219 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am younger than the proof of Fermat's Last Theorem < 1329478326 724383 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Jackson has space for 72 more commands < 1329478720 785725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also also, hello! < 1329479088 23249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, that hello took far too long. you are clearly a Taneb impostor. < 1329479270 280944 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses, foiled again. < 1329479280 995732 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For I am secretly elliott in disguise. < 1329479328 695161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly gets a vision of a villain trying to rob a tinfoil factory and accidentally getting wrapped up in the machinery
< 1329479336 300421 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I just had things on my mind < 1329479513 453124 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329479566 886606 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329479592 559910 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1329479601 984925 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1329479609 582868 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this better? < 1329479683 122031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid you are still foiled. < 1329479689 817815 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo! < 1329479768 310946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it would be a good idea to plant a rumor that tin^Walumini?um foil has mind control chemicals added < 1329479799 253925 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could have hilarious consequences < 1329479820 701878 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it took me a second to think what Walumini was < 1329479841 255058 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/ < 1329479899 759229 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using a $250,000 network analyser, we find that although on average all helmets attenuate invasive radio frequencies... certain frequencies are in fact greatly amplified. These amplified frequencies coincide with radio bands reserved for government use according to the Federal Communication Commission" < 1329479959 389595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen that before < 1329480480 41555 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the photos of the UV Rave the other night. < 1329480489 26999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look like a flourescent chemistry zombie. < 1329480641 250673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a rebuttal to that, too. < 1329480666 255177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=200511112730.afdb_effectiveness < 1329480690 690560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- there are serious flaws in this study, not the least of which is a complete mischaracterization of the process of psychotronic mind control. I theorize that the study is, in fact, NWO propaganda designed to spread FUD against deflector beanie technology, and aluminum shielding in general, in order to disembeanie paranoids, leaving them open to mind control." < 1329480706 491617 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1329480746 643301 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1329480801 432097 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are buzzie and fizzbuzzie? < 1329480816 226149 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably interviewing for jobs < 1329480828 850578 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1329480835 985169 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a blackboard < 1329480875 823646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzbuzzie only shows up every second week or so < 1329481193 78528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buzzie only once a twice a week < 1329481378 537637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1329481483 504977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd XD < 1329481912 352225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1329482335 373063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329482451 138989 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1329482636 82129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oerjan's gone. < 1329482674 143408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, today's xkcd did have a fairly funny joke, as evidenced by the fact that it was funny when Black Books did it a decade ago. < 1329483503 792785 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah i think you really need to engineer such helmets based on known weaknesses of mind-control technology.. not troll-physics < 1329483675 511328 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archaeoacoustics. < 1329483682 537081 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a real scientific field. < 1329483920 3121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't have anything to do with spiders. :/ < 1329483933 620399 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be Arachnoacoustics < 1329483948 181071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anyone doing that? < 1329483956 514642 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think s < 1329483958 607092 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1329483969 386675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arachnocaustics. < 1329483977 424159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1329484009 50861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcane mystics. < 1329484015 518515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On-topic for once!) < 1329484090 707525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uranocaustics. < 1329484239 520710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, *you're*. < 1329484753 815563 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329485444 24879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329485503 586595 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329485898 328567 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329486740 341207 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1329486740 751443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329486750 41827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pong < 1329486750 340097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329486875 404659 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329486910 294720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@peng < 1329486910 643949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329487054 768857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@using < 1329487054 976535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329487059 537339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's a bit confusing. < 1329487168 274028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329487478 974948 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@string < 1329487479 177072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1329487482 93911 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'aww < 1329487490 753559 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strong < 1329487521 615636 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@strong < 1329487521 954614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1329487525 336945 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff < 1329487531 650427 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329487537 763053 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1329487538 43011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1329487780 330066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329487852 383270 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329488878 301379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only up to edit distance of two, sorry. < 1329488894 376861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as long it's unambiguous. < 1329488921 369148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raping < 1329488921 671570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329489709 103901 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329491858 324957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1329491942 848802 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :la_fen: tell elliott pong < 1329492230 72945 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329492236 711836 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1329492339 855650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we define a function that I will narcisistically name Taneb_2 (n) such that Taneb_2 (n) is the lowest power of 2, x, such that n! mod x is 0. < 1329492358 370479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lowest/highest/ < 1329492405 356671 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This goes 0,1,1,3,3,4,4,7,7,8,8,10,10,11,11... < 1329492419 33496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 1 1 3 3 4 4 7 7 8 8 10 10 < 1329492424 279569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n minus (number of 1's in binary expansion of n). Also highest power of 2 di... < 1329492424 554506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,1,1,3,3,4,4,7,7,8,8,10,10,11,11,15,15,16,16,18,18,19,19,22,22,23,23,25,... < 1329492457 47950 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 0 1 1 1 2 2 2 4 4 4 5 5 5 < 1329492467 107674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Highest power of 3 dividing n!. < 1329492467 409107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,0,1,1,1,2,2,2,4,4,4,5,5,5,6,6,6,8,8,8,9,9,9,10,10,10,13,13,13,14,14,14,... < 1329492517 451169 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, opinion < 1329492517 744971 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's an infinite list to me.). it would be a fnord? hehe. < 1329492522 26082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1329492522 212691 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1329492530 729934 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1329492540 832962 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon < 1329492541 19925 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive) < 1329492549 982609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, give me advice < 1329492550 487127 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: many existing implementations or add unnecessary complexity to merit a higher level programming interface consider sendmail.cf. perhaps, for example, are we always destined to reinvent the same port. < 1329492590 999095 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here i am reading my morning nonsense from #philosophy < 1329492603 29075 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i accidentally click on #esoteric < 1329492626 637544 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read fungot's line and i'm like finally, something that makes sense. < 1329492626 828063 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what bothers me even more than 13 blocks long, at most cs labs, and < 1329492667 114834 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that reminds me of Kant's thesis about the existence of 14 blocks long without an inherent substantial being. < 1329492725 800106 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-051.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i also think that this < 1329492758 263309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a really good formula forTaneb_2(n) but it doesn't account for multiples of four that are not a power of 2 < 1329492783 364057 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb_2(n)? < 1329492805 459556 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The highest power of 2 dividing n! < 1329492851 353454 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pending a better name < 1329492907 442093 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-051.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"power of 2 in the prime decomposition" < 1329492937 210420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think that was an infinite list to everyone. < 1329492937 492645 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: would anyone be interested in running restricted mailing-list software that caused all our software even more than ten minutes. mailing lists were expected to follow in a < 1329493154 715164 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "dividing (n!)" and not "(dividing n)!" right? < 1329493165 436479 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly postfix < 1329493179 936691 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-165-123.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329493206 526982 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take that as a "FUCK MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE" < 1329493226 86968 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :highest power of 2 dividing! n < 1329493261 46375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't just divide, it divides. < 1329493397 892174 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wJzo5v8wYQ < 1329493533 249934 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^k \emph{divides} n is a good way to say k is the highest power that divides n < 1329493622 663230 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING DIVIDES < 1329493912 377642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\frac{\mbox{divi}}{\mbox{des}}. < 1329494311 767308 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Wow, it's almost like we're in distant timezones! < 1329494312 142130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1329494341 618306 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@spring < 1329494341 833169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329494343 854285 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1329494417 623516 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329494420 867402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Are you doing some < 1329494422 515251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@spying < 1329494422 820199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329494498 1281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a yes. < 1329494515 655101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally. < 1329494676 81089 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, mail tracking. Apparently my package sat in Los Angeles, CA for a week for no reason, then teleported to Lafayette, IN for delivery. < 1329494928 663828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mail tracking, the leading cause of the "F5 finger" symptome. < 1329494933 77793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syndrome. < 1329494936 713665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbiote. < 1329494940 131466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbian. < 1329494944 454740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symantec. < 1329494952 637101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbolics. < 1329494953 845427 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sying < 1329494954 47514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329494982 427726 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :symptom < 1329494982 765360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1329494986 615036 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite is when the package was already delivered and I check the tracking and it says it wasn't < 1329495269 254684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite was when the tracking says the package was already given out of the post office, but I hadn't picked it up yet. < 1329495492 246782 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1329495604 674983 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite is when the package says it went to the wrong city, and is now out for delivery. < 1329495611 135018 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's disambiguation page says "Function (mathematics), an abstract entity that associates an input to a corresponding output according to some rule" < 1329495626 600847 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this to me sounds like what is also called a process < 1329495650 22953 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1329495653 206529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proc{esses,ocedures} have side effects. < 1329495666 361102 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1329495668 301671 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the definition of "side effect" is up to you. < 1329495684 375797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once they routed my from-the-next-city package into somewhere far up there in Northern Finland, and then said there has been an "irregularity". < 1329495688 486255 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also functions terminate :) < 1329495707 57349 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Arguably) < 1329495718 656101 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can't cheat this topic very easy < 1329495736 161160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your input is a machine state and your output is a machine state, then a procedure is a function ^^ < 1329495813 704960 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I recall some friend posting a screenshot of the tracking web site showing that their package was looping. < 1329495828 559874 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had done something like Portland -> Eugene -> Portland -> Eugene < 1329495877 689945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few languages also have terminology where a "procedure" is pretty much a "function" which just doesn't return a value. < 1329495918 390583 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah but thats not what people come here to hear < 1329495998 369400 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, in programming languages the words all get blurry. < 1329496009 678604 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the quote from above did say "Function (MATHEMATICS)" (caps added) < 1329496044 391727 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is a function a state transition table? < 1329496096 147760 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe table isn't the right word here since i wouldn't really quite know what i am referring to < 1329496212 144350 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could have a machine with 2 states.. a and b.. and a function which accepts either a or b... and i could call this function identity and say a->a, b->b < 1329496232 532266 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generalize this to x->x < 1329496237 655537 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1329496281 405272 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this case the type of x would be a machine state instead of a function < 1329496341 796153 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it all starts to fall apart and wishful thinking that it could be so easy < 1329496374 2301 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1329496596 788858 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is not such an easy topic :-D < 1329496659 7655 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329497221 978199 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: hi < 1329497232 810690 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :toki < 1329497301 903912 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that probably the reason i fill my head with misconceptions is my urge to take shortcuts < 1329497474 76109 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: in any case i will read up on functions in my own time.. any other topic you have in mind? < 1329497655 891124 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: in mathematics, the difference between a function and a process, to me, is not that a process has side-effects (that's meaningless in math), it's that a process can be computed in some way (the "how" is left implicit) < 1329497712 561086 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: many kinds of state transitions can be described as functions, but functions themselves have nothing to do with state. < 1329497728 297589 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think the term "process" is meaningful in mathematics, but if we take the concept "function" more broadly, then you have to introduce state to be able to describe what a process is. < 1329497772 198051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example finite state automata have a state transition function : (states, alphabet) -> states < 1329497776 683117 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I guess < 1329497785 346198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example finite state automata have a state transition function : states x alphabet -> states < 1329497847 890832 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Oh, also functions terminate :)" i don't think this is very relevant either < 1329497861 961630 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they terminate? < 1329497871 600952 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help what is terminate. < 1329497875 491763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329497879 978709 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't really even talk about whether a function terminates. that's meaningless. < 1329497887 966112 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminate implies a computation in the first place. < 1329497952 49055 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, you could probably determine if computing the result of a function from an input terminates. < 1329497970 981666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably not always straightforward how to compute a function. < 1329498001 193046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all functions are, you know, computable. < 1329498005 986623 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" terminate implies a computation in the first place." exactly < 1329498011 397812 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok suppose our machine is a tictactoe board which ignores symmetry and whose turn it is. curiously a valid game of tictactoe is only those state transitions where only one tile on the board is changed from an empty square < 1329498019 773554 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Gregor was really talking about programming in the first place < 1329498038 501875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Give that it was about "processes" in the first place, that doesn't sound entirely surprising. < 1329498040 822795 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof mind virus. < 1329498043 701072 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmmm.. not sure where i'm going with this < 1329498097 80528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose e.g. a stochastic process is a mathematical creature and has a definition for a "process". < 1329498126 436123 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i suppose you could say that a function is "computable" if it's on some level of the arithmetical hierarcy. that means it's computable as long as you can quantify over infinite subsets of N (afaiu). and so on. < 1329498130 723834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: do people actually use monads when describing different kinds of computational processes in a mathematical setting? or do they mostly use the more "standard" models of computation like production systems, logical combinators, turing machines, and so forth. < 1329498150 248640 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, I guess monads would fall under "logical combinators": < 1329498169 613581 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really a very slow thinker.. and i have inadvertently created chaos by these ambiguous definition topics. but i hope that it is a useful chaos for some of you. < 1329498203 401819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly do you mean by "logical combinators"? < 1329498249 207999 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-155-68.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say logical combinators? < 1329498253 366730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how to monads fall under it? < 1329498274 8322 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well I meant things like SKI and lambda calculus. But I guess LC isn't really combinatory < 1329498292 708793 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well that's computer science / logic stuff, we don't use monads for anything. < 1329498299 63427 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i don't < 1329498303 421293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I suppose you could also say that a function is "computable" by referring to some particular model of computation, and don't those all pretty much end up being the same set of functions? < 1329498355 775812 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: y u so segregate? :( < 1329498367 248882 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is great sad!!!!
< 1329498404 602181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because computer scientists can't math, and math people don't like computers. < 1329498417 635545 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, but that's different in that the analytical hierarcy is a fuckload less computable than anything in the arithmetical hierarchy, which is a fuckload less computable than anything that an actual machine can compute. < 1329498443 140161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: People in this channel might like both < 1329498459 468851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Those are then some kinda freaks. < 1329498488 578050 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is because i am too impartial that i can't figure things out < 1329498492 440939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It includes myself too) < 1329498536 930367 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well i don't use L-functions either, and those are way more important than monads. < 1329498544 319770 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do everything < 1329498557 777903 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say, from my point of view i have to take everyones comments as equally valid < 1329498574 530459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: aren't L-functions not even proven or anything... < 1329498577 750585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Don't listen to oklopol, ain't no one who can tell you what you can or cannot do! Believe in yourself! And other such phrases! < 1329498585 293454 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes!!!! < 1329498608 102631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so tempted to add a " < 1329498612 994462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vomits a rainbow*" at the end. < 1329498618 454385 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean don't_listen_to(x) < 1329498620 608219 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1329498644 209747 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yeah i don't think you can prove they have analytic continuations < 1329498663 272230 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm wait a sec, i'll elaborate < 1329498698 681662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be lame if they were disproven completely, and then all of that work will vanish. < 1329498704 606275 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because what i said was wrong) < 1329498704 792989 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly mathematicians are playing it risky. :> < 1329498724 868477 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, no matter how smart people are, nor how much consideration is put into writing laws... no legal system will ever be perfect < 1329498763 599619 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all participants in the legal system have to sort of get on with their work and ignore the fact their system is fundamentally imperfect < 1329498792 928705 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that work would be part of the work that proves they exist < 1329498799 55409 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, someone who couldn't face this fact can't really enter the legal system < 1329498816 610448 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof of a theorem doesn't vanish because the theorem is reduced to "true" < 1329498825 616899 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, naturally some of it would be just plain useless. < 1329498834 516986 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not ALL < 1329498835 747733 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1329498866 867848 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the same way, if i am too preoccupied with getting the right understanding than getting some understanding same thing really < 1329498966 759351 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I was talking about the situation where it was disproven. < 1329498979 899235 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I misunderstand. < 1329499037 701755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so you're saying < 1329499044 491101 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the work going into proving the theorem < 1329499050 816636 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: well the whole theory could then be thought of as an unnecessarily proof by contradiction. "assume we can analytically continue this L series here" < 1329499053 360532 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :becomes part of the theorem of its contradiction in that case. < 1329499066 750287 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we could then develop this awesome theory and OH FUCK A CONTRADICTION" < 1329499078 14401 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1329499083 101586 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"therefore, it can't" < 1329499104 922404 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..there are proofs in my math homework that I wish I could prove my contradiction < 1329499118 561996 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my professor is one of those where he won't let you use methods that haven't been discussed yet. < 1329499121 544852 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by < 1329499158 61202 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very annoying aspect of math classes. < 1329499179 664705 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89F2E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329499189 794573 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite the same in programming, in my experience. Usually as long as you meet the assignment requirements you can use whatever language features and standard libraries you want. < 1329499303 24215 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, back in my intro Java class we were covering nested if-else statements, but to shorten my code I just used an array, even though we hadn't covered them. < 1329499309 138744 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the professor even commented on it positively. :P < 1329499321 379967 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT SO IN MY PROOF CLASS. < 1329499468 162475 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use any methods you like in pretty much all math classes in our uni < 1329499476 831362 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prof will show an answer based on the course though < 1329499497 343413 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my professor just nitpicky about certain things < 1329499506 548418 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably the best math prof. at the university as far as I can tell. < 1329499544 733389 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, he doesn't like the re-use of the same variable in different, unrelated quantified statements. < 1329499564 970162 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously he's not a fan of local scope. :P < 1329499627 229973 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he doesn't count off if you do that. < 1329499631 769499 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just expressed dislike. < 1329499722 738464 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...random thought. it would be awesome to see in, a math paper, a huge integral in parentheses < 1329499729 587098 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by -adic < 1329499738 160458 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a text portion of the paper < 1329499752 79857 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than using some TOTALLY LAME VARIABLE. < 1329499753 339647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure he'll let you ever prove something by contradiction? You know, there are people who just don't think that's kosher at all. < 1329499762 843705 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I AM NOT LAME < 1329499782 768860 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he's teaching from the book, to the point he uses whatever notational conventions the book uses, even if he doesn't like them. < 1329499791 291476 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, our natural numbers start at 0. < 1329499803 573703 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1329499803 762105 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1329499834 357893 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is, as a programmer, prone to off-by-one errors in every facet of daily life.
< 1329499853 642755 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, what? < 1329499857 108889 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that not be acceptable. < 1329499866 713488 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prone to off-by-one errors in every facet of daily life." who isn't < 1329499874 764884 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you prove a statement is false, then its negation is necessarily true.. < 1329499883 973390 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I sometimes wonder. < 1329499895 44579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_intuitionism < 1329499899 785850 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: MAYBE PROGRAMMING HAS WARPED MY BRAIN < 1329499901 917708 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh right < 1329499904 448044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A major force behind Intuitionism was L.E.J. Brouwer, who rejected the usefulness of formalized logic of any sort for mathematics. His student Arend Heyting postulated an intuitionistic logic, different from the classical Aristotelian logic; this logic does not contain the law of the excluded middle and therefore frowns upon proofs by contradiction." < 1329499914 924372 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes yes < 1329499924 15481 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously the hardest part about even things like writing proofs is to get the indices right, "err is this k or k-1... well whatever, you get the point". < 1329499930 118986 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't gotten to a stage in his math education where he ever thinks about intuitionistic logic.
< 1329499977 304994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: There's a maths professor at our place who starts with subscript indices, then they gradually rise up to be "middle indices", and by the end of the blackboard they're superscript. (Or vice versa.) < 1329500002 368616 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1329500008 655198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middlescript is just like regular text except it's kinda smaller. < 1329500028 336962 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would make sense to be vertically centered as well. < 1329500049 193610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose some of them are. They sort of range all over the VERTICAL RANGE. < 1329500059 226864 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklofok: There's a maths professor at our place who starts with subscript indices, then they gradually rise up to be "middle indices", and by the end of the blackboard they're superscript. (Or vice versa.) < 1329500061 742992 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slightly above normal script, "in the middle" < 1329500098 59990 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a chemistry teacher who wrote the stuff he was teaching up on a whiteboard, and it sloped down towards the right a lot. < 1329500109 600091 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He must have been getting shorter or something. < 1329500128 17099 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter as he was writing? < 1329500130 965546 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1329500131 821858 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1329500143 839604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the indices immediately drop down to subscript if there's a case of superscript-denoting-exponentiation nearby. < 1329500149 268766 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's be pretty useful I guess? < 1329500163 744219 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't have to bother adjusting the height of your hand, for one thing. < 1329500165 595801 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*It'd < 1329500166 38947 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sounds really confusing. < 1329500204 940657 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh.. I need to go back to magical C kindergarten.. can someone check whether I converted these arrays properly? http://pastebin.com/tbbBbZPN < 1329500210 482335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, usually you can tell from the context, since normally it's the same "k" that keeps wandering up and down. < 1329500345 526236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ragged-array construction is not exactly equivalent, but I suppose it's the closest sensible thing. And there's a school of thought that would write the mallocs as malloc(num_iso_transfers * sizeof *tfr) and malloc(num_iso_transfers * sizeof *isobuf) and malloc((64 * 3072) * sizeof **isobuf) and/or malloc(64 * 3072) since sizeof(unsigned char) is and always will be exactly 1. < 1329500374 727096 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: all C code should strive to be self-documenting. < 1329500439 182421 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :>) < 1329500440 231872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also instead of "(64 * 3072) * sizeof X" it maybe a good idea to introduce the size_t-ness already in the multiplication for when you port it to a place with 16-bit ints, where (64 * 3072) will be 0. < 1329500443 663219 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for checking < 1329500451 873545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that's the picking of nits.) < 1329500490 367989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, there's no size_t literal suffix. Wouldn't 3072z look just peachy?) < 1329500578 855768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could modify CWEB to add such things; WEB added various things to Pascal which they didn't have at first so you could do with C as well < 1329500634 265578 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was mainly worried whether I even was technically correct, but I appreciate your style tips as well! < 1329500684 139264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't find anything to complain about on the correctness front, so I sort of had to make do. < 1329500791 353697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I almost had to resort to the "malloc might return NULL" backup option.) < 1329500825 332120 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I am checking for NULL believe it or not :) < 1329500886 126354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 64 * 3072 is constant, it *would* be possible to have unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; isobuf = malloc(num_iso_transfers * sizeof *isobuf); without the whole array-of-pointers deal, but then isobuf has a slightly unwieldy type, and maybe looks a bit arcane. < 1329500949 565240 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it! < 1329501036 330484 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot < 1329501283 99735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:51 ,cc unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; size_t s = sizeof *isobuf; < 1329501286 603822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:52 fizzie: < 1329501289 116779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one useful bot for checking that I'm not spouting pure bullcrap. < 1329501291 334485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why can't you be that useful ever? < 1329501291 656685 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wouldn't that force you to use fnord to read a text stream/ to read a text i just wrote < 1329501311 249164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I... guess that's fair. Never mind, then. < 1329501311 632192 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i found some sql foo recently. it's often easier to be forced is not really < 1329501649 585140 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update if you didn't see it < 1329501796 155639 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; printf("%d\n", (int) sizeof(isobuf)); < 1329501801 815405 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1329501807 745663 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; printf("%d\n", (int) sizeof(*isobuf)); < 1329501809 620466 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :196608 < 1329501832 357813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one severely weird thing to do to C. < 1329501863 789315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1329501894 477457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not like it's going to perform bounds-checking, and the amount of space will be documented by the allocation anyway. < 1329501917 217207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned char (*isobuf)[64*3072]; printf("%zu\n", sizeof *isobuf); /* it's like *2011*, man, it's okay to use C99 features */ < 1329501919 16656 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :196608 < 1329501945 394537 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you really absolutely needed sizeof(*isobuf) to be right for macros or something, there's that. < 1329501993 608358 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I compile all my code with -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic :) < 1329501997 252673 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-ansi = C89) < 1329502105 586016 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, C90 < 1329502126 718426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure what the weird thing was. I mean, the argument for "x = malloc(sizeof *x)" is that when you have a "struct funky *x" and you update it to "struct hunky *x" later, you don't have to remember to update a "x = malloc(sizeof(struct funky))" which, of course, wouldn't be detected at compile-time to be a problem. < 1329502147 734043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also sizeof without parens looks cleaner.) < 1329502219 937911 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's highly unlikely that you're going to be able to swap a struct for an array regardless, the malloc being the same is only a first convenience on a path of suffering ... < 1329502341 942641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just a general-purpose justification for "malloc(sizeof *x)", where x might be one sort of a struct that gets changed to another, closely related sort. < 1329502351 253122 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1329502632 158112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(candide's funky "print out all locals at the end" thing is some sort of a gdb-driven thing.) < 1329502787 902831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:19 ,cc char can_i_have_some_uninitialized_data_please[4096]; < 1329502788 90301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:19 fizzie: ", ."> < 1329502792 279133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a bit boring. < 1329502823 111395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's the ", ." part, I'm not sure what that's supposed to be. < 1329503264 160756 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does candide do for protection? < 1329503287 725898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some sort of a VM thing. < 1329503291 359641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe qemu? < 1329503302 82148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget exactly, someone mentioned something about it. < 1329503313 39188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the well-known ones, anyway. < 1329503483 611217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:31 ,cc #include \n system("cat /proc/cpuinfo"); < 1329503485 241714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:31 fizzie: processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 2 model name : QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.12.5 stepping : 3 microcode : 0x1000065 cpu MHz : 800.000 ... < 1329503528 906802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh -c 'ping 8.8.8.8' < 1329503536 399025 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329503544 518839 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1329503545 303239 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1329503547 114874 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ping < 1329503549 729603 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/ping < 1329503563 736980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file `which ping` < 1329503566 579111 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/ping: Bourne-Again shell script text executable < 1329503570 607711 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /hackenv/bin/ping < 1329503572 982601 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ echo pong < 1329503574 97077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the best sort of ping. < 1329503576 609189 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which -a ping < 1329503579 589575 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/ping \ /bin/ping < 1329503595 509888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file /bin/ping < 1329503598 766437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ping: setuid ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped < 1329503603 847735 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/ping 8.8.8.8 < 1329503606 55250 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect: Network is unreachable < 1329503611 35858 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Womp womp. < 1329504353 267144 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329504956 578307 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329504997 706823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1329505004 478958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, where is ais? < 1329505004 790211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1329505119 262338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_Portal#Site_move_.2F_wiki_read-only to anyone who hasn't seen it < 1329505150 418809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:45:52: wow it's really happening < 1329505152 807661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY EVER BELIEVES ME < 1329505180 241984 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.98.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329505294 341422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, so you're MAKING THIS HAPEN. < 1329505328 215115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it man. < 1329505377 134849 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1329505416 423658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just assumes Gregor is whoaing at my GETTING THINGS DONE lyfestyle.
< 1329505433 738336 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1329505436 634815 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now: < 1329505438 959758 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1329505445 455119 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That whoah was at "lyfestyle" < 1329505463 554022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This marks the first thing I have ever accomplished without Gregor's mockery. < 1329505476 694794 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not quite true. < 1329505480 97030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've done things I haven't noticed. < 1329505495 484002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1329505501 62418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the first thing I have ever accomplished. < 1329505513 523747 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so that statement was vacuously true. < 1329505543 449642 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.98.26 QUIT : < 1329505585 376368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes about ten copies of esostuff.7z in different locations on his hard drive.
< 1329505609 912024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo cp esostuff.7z / && sudo chown root:root /esostuff.7z && sudo chmod 500 /esostuff.7z < 1329505618 568057 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds useful were your HD to crash < 1329505628 175226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like say if I were to drop my laptop. < 1329506066 500709 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all 50 < 1329506073 697258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :folez rended sovrainte hed rig tfi ptyczner num izrasoagh jlr dihiw qua avissio inflicheim romentalnuri fubau sametaria pogent souall ress via comr autstara prae electorei < 1329506398 182236 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89F2E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329506560 153400 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1329506589 12368 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1329506760 155181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look like 50 to me. < 1329506762 555172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 20 < 1329506765 561267 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :laisiiparvitsevassanovitra raisimmistamiin irtävältä vällänsäänsä hauksi havaksemmältä hallenne koukisimpan törmääremme sovesitoskin sisemmiksemme poimpienne kokoosissa karityksi tullasiksi epäivänansa yllyttä tuottauksi lisemiselviyöstöiksesi hyvänne < 1329506831 277404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :213.222.12.125 - - [17/Feb/2012:11:46:49 +0000] "GET //phpMyAdmin//scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1" 404 169 "-" "Plesk" < 1329506835 378994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehehehehehe < 1329506963 61137 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-191.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1329506971 267111 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-176.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329507197 665627 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1329507382 48938 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329507408 940770 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue-Morse sequence as a Luigi program < 1329507412 997746 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;01;0;0;01;1;10; < 1329507650 251850 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, hello! < 1329507666 222930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Do we want the RC patrol stuff? < 1329507666 479803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1329507700 823286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, someone's hit my QBasic help file translation with the Google search ""QBASIC PATH NOT FOUND" WIN 7". < 1329507703 832243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it was useful! < 1329507713 683380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also you made me look at server logs.) < 1329507749 737367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "-" is the referer, right? < 1329507762 248248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, in the default log-config. < 1329507775 125721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's nginx) < 1329507794 322987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it looks like it's trying to be Apache-combatible, for log-file-lysis purposes. < 1329507799 431027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1329507843 536869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo, a good old "GET /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind:)" too. (It's one of those vulnubbarity scanners.) < 1329507913 171289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/admin/index.php, /admin/pma/index.php, /admin/phpmyadmin/index.php, /db/index.php, /dbadmin/index.php, ..., /phpMyAdmin-2.5.6-rc1/index.php, ... -- it's like "how many ways you can spell it" contest. < 1329507933 125656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's a good thing to look through a several-hundred-megabyte text file? < 1329507955 531742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that depends on what you need to look for. < 1329507955 718329 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to write, say, Maybe stuff in Smalltalk, would it be acceptable to use gather: as bind and with: on the class side as return? < 1329507971 919870 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Collections pretty much do that, < 1329508023 746727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just want to browse it. < 1329508051 378953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Monads are pointless in any dynamic language. < 1329508063 833260 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1329508075 872764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't write generic code at all without explicitly plumbing around the dictionary (in this case the class) everywhere, which makes it incredibly painful. < 1329508085 627932 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a nicer way to do list comprehensions in Smalltalk than a bunch of gathers? < 1329508092 987094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1329508094 339090 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1. 2} gather: [:a | {1. 3} gather: [:b | Array with: (a+b)]] < 1329508115 170017 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody cares about my implementation of the Thue-Morse sequence in Luigi < 1329508140 343237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. I don't really know. I've used less with rather big files too; if you do something that requires it to do a line count (like "seek to 50%") there's a long pause, but afterwards it caches, for that one run. Maybe haven't done *several*-hundred-megabyte files, though. < 1329508140 811391 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, couldn't I make a trait or something, put the generic code in the trait? < 1329508172 933827 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having some trouble working out how to browse and use traits though < 1329508211 60875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of Vim and Emacs is, according to my own experiences, all that good about hueg files, at least out-of-the-box just-like-that. < 1329508228 221933 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1329508231 402750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Emacs seems to be working OK enough. < 1329508234 138941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than vim. < 1329508241 618835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file also has incredibly long lines, sigh < 1329508245 510495 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim I've found to be particularly awful with huge files. < 1329508267 704738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, almost 1,000,000 col lines < 1329508290 513409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh gof < 1329508295 101870 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god oh god < 1329508295 657900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is that, yes. But Emacs didn't deal all too well with a "single multi-megabyte line" file either. Movement was sort-of laggy. < 1329508301 102093 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god oh god oh god < 1329508308 135572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it was in some non-optimal mode, though. < 1329508309 964169 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try CL with SLIME? < 1329508331 172407 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found the Ook!++ spec < 1329508332 231689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did you ever answer whether your login-watching was about stalking someone or something completely different? < 1329508334 643364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yah, I'm just resigned to a fairly painful experience. < 1329508343 922056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Ctrl+down to skip huge lines seems to work OK. < 1329508350 233624 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, I don't remember if that was asked < 1329508365 253563 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, professor wants us to stalk him? < 1329508380 896415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: O-kay then. < 1329508408 886145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I hate more than MediaWiki? < 1329508416 644442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PMWiki? < 1329508418 942084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mediawiki SQL dumps. < 1329508544 658629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, OK, I have everything I need. I'll probably start installamating things later today or whenever ais is on. < 1329508551 116078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"less" does this 400M Apache log quite fine, though it doesn't have excessively long lines, and I'm not sure what would be the correct option to skip one of those. (Though "less -S" would show always one line on one line -- and then of course force you to scroll vertically to see what's beyond the edges.) < 1329508600 581592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use less -S for looking at access.log. < 1329508607 1904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise the alignment of the fields and dates and such gets mucked up. < 1329508610 121149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more scannable. < 1329508614 732038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a true. < 1329508779 177420 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1329508885 680724 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-S? < 1329508891 173004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disables line-wrapping. < 1329508960 737803 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scroll vertically" for that? < 1329508962 862813 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1329509023 468707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down is up & up down &c. < 1329509200 106101 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to make a million Processes was a bad idea, I think < 1329509214 819337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the migration plan might be slightly better adjusted slightly, to be a little out of sync with the two servers or with a brief period of inaccessibility. < 1329509239 307752 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Pharo's style of clarifying which ] goes with which [ is not so great for the colorblind < 1329509303 691325 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you the colorblind? < 1329509315 259111 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1329509345 551955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What colours are used? < 1329509405 12491 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :green and purple I think, for starters < 1329509419 683551 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't really tell right now, image frozen with my line selected < 1329509432 718742 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing can't even do 100 processes comfortably. < 1329509440 213484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Horizontally is probably what I was supposed to say. Vertically you need to scroll anyways. < 1329509565 511448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like VERTEXUALLY??? < 1329509573 717747 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing doesn't seem to be able to handle even 100 processes < 1329509579 87967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always scroll consensually only. < 1329509586 669777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consentually? < 1329509598 372023 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 to: 100 do: [:x | [[true] whileTrue] fork] < 1329509599 657958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consensually, apparently. < 1329509620 555249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't have second-guessed. < 1329509733 346228 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried it with 10 < 1329509744 848551 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there was a difference: I didn't have Process Manager with autoupdate on < 1329509774 964999 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things slowed down a bit. Things froze when I opened Process Manager and turned autoupdate on < 1329510257 416531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329510316 266003 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a function which relates the number of turns taken in tictactoe with the number of x's on the board, then the derivative of that function would be about 1/2 eh < 1329510381 615092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, duh. but ... wat? < 1329510397 81103 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the derivative is 0 almost everywhere < 1329510400 848742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1329510409 182795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you've seen the esowiki < 1329510475 199175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I haven't, I've only just got online < 1329510475 487288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1329510480 381429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1329510480 726345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 46m 54s ago: Do we want the RC patrol stuff? < 1329510488 421404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, see the link at the bottom of the main page then < 1329510504 58060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think Esolang's the right size for RC patrolling, it's best on medium-sized wikis < 1329510514 337603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethackwiki's just the right size, but esolang's too small and wikipedia's too large < 1329510541 41602 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't RC patrol work for small wikis? < 1329510552 25905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK, DB lock < 1329510562 414591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: because you want admins to check each change once each, rather than once between them < 1329510588 99748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more importantly than DB lock, I contacted Graue and the process has begun :P < 1329510593 205550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an esostuff.7z here < 1329510598 960813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, several copies of it, because I'm paranoid < 1329510620 332101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1329510624 114128 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not paranoid enough about suddenly turning into me? < 1329510640 162301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've never considered that I might suddenly turn into you < 1329510656 305847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I /did/, I'd have your memories not mine, so I probably wouldn't realise I was previously ais523 < 1329510664 2977 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's true for a wiki dedicated to weird things. < 1329510698 752862 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION in particular is referring to a tendency of breaking hardware
< 1329510699 616047 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you taking over the wiki? < 1329510709 325307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I would assume, if the function is defined like that, it has a discrete domain, and not that it's a step-function-like thing from (a part of) R. < 1329510715 215706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yep < 1329510766 453696 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1329510796 114702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, welcome our new wiki overlords. (Isn't that what you're supposed to say in situations like this?) < 1329510801 465245 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1329510802 963294 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is no derivative on a discrete domain < 1329510810 373517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Right, so it's not 0. < 1329510823 111974 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki overloads < 1329510844 3028 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meet the new boss, same as the old boss?... err wait maybe that's not the one :P < 1329510852 635200 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1329510895 650158 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess a tic tac toe game does not really become a continuous curve just because it's convenient < 1329510912 606842 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you are obliged to invent it < 1329510917 690828 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analytic tic-tac-toe < 1329510928 473148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do thing with differences that are rather similar to derivatives, though. < 1329510963 647932 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, incase you can't guess, i am reading up on derivatives as part of a quest to understand functions < 1329510990 519927 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't understand functions by reading about derivatives < 1329510990 779419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: does anything actually use that EsoShell stuff? I'd rather not set up another namespace < 1329510996 497761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're responsible for it < 1329511001 898589 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that there is much to understand about functions in general < 1329511015 74298 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my own namespace? < 1329511019 959811 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i see that it works if i warp "a function which the number of turns taken in tictactoe with the number of x's on the board" into y = 0.5 * x < 1329511040 458329 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which obviously isn't really true about tictactoe < 1329511041 313438 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: link? < 1329511057 669515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=100 < 1329511058 474723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=101 < 1329511066 439134 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is no 1.5 turns < 1329511087 90588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More to the point, even if you restrict x to integers, there aren't 0.5 crosses at turn 1. < 1329511100 183949 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've (pointlessly) generalised the discrete function [1..5] -> [1..5] to the real function R -> R < 1329511110 552418 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn that's awesome I completely forgot about that < 1329511120 334252 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter happens to have a derivative, but it also happens to have nothing to do with tic-tac-toe < 1329511124 39961 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was using the wiki as a filesystem < 1329511150 440460 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can go ahead and ditch that < 1329511165 491206 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: it's better than git! < 1329511205 821522 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--- used to be clever < 1329511279 442923 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it there's no chance I'll be given a PSOX namespace < 1329511282 687990 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1329511446 265090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can assure you it is policy to ensure you are not given a PSOX namespace. < 1329511655 561027 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone want to see the spec for Ook!++? < 1329511709 257585 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what i can sort of imagine is both players having sort of squirt guns which constantly fill in part of the tictactoe board at a constant rate but player 1 begins squirting 1 turn early < 1329511794 942736 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't cross the streams < 1329511817 837372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost as old as you can get while still being younger than the submition of the final manuscript of Andrew Wiles' proof of Fermat's Last Theorem < 1329511828 555869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1329511834 744580 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was on October 25, me on November 3) < 1329511853 604948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that sounds suspiciously like a BF derivative < 1329511888 67698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sure it doesn't count if I had never really paid any attention to BF < 1329511901 606626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it was when I was a little esolangling. < 1329511904 246993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Ook! is a BF derivative < 1329511910 255156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it sounds like a BF derivative derivative < 1329511917 434106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH BETTER < 1329511921 38403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BF second derivative. < 1329511941 914863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes called a BF curvature. < 1329511945 499168 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a BF hundredth derivative might be so different from BF that it's actually good. < 1329511993 444841 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh damn, it's not even backwards compatible. < 1329511994 313343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1329512101 4359 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook!++ is however still true to the spirit of Ook!, in that it is usable by orang-utans < 1329512116 453127 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it introduces the "Eek" keyword.) < 1329512187 598842 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, real tic-tac-toe. Given two functions x(t) and o(t) on the unit square, 0 ≤ t ≤ 1 and x(t), o(t) ∈ ([0,1] × [0,1]). Each function "claims" the points it first passes through. If x(t) = o(t), neither function claims the point. The first function to claim all points on a line of length 1 wins. < 1329512202 912948 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure if the functions should be continuous. < 1329512288 669584 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can both achieve the victory condition? < 1329512290 783862 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also not sure how many quantifiers are needed to express this game in first order logic < 1329512292 691839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: How is this better than continuous chess? < 1329512310 750824 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one goes along one diagonal and another goes along the other diagonal but neither are exactly on the diagonal < 1329512317 795782 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm indirectly responsible for both i think < 1329512318 875918 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much room for maneuvering is there < 1329512334 230495 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's easier to write an AI! < 1329512388 75269 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1329512396 612082 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I haven't restricted the functions to be continuous < 1329512405 485232 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for the sake of analysis, I should < 1329512415 279374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: How do you take turns in this thing? Do you just keep altering your functions? < 1329512433 422790 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I imagine that it's just one function vs the other < 1329512446 344801 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On turn 0? Jafet may have different ideas ofc < 1329512448 254353 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't even yet restricted the functions to be computable < 1329512486 108494 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, they can't be computable because they need to pass through a dense set < 1329512505 644146 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, particular instances of the functions are definable < 1329512517 412428 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by definition, we can only play using those < 1329512633 983625 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1329512662 965486 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1329512693 523661 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: by my understanding, 2 horizontal functions would result in a draw < 1329512718 366243 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I didn't even think of two horizontal functions < 1329512721 738405 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels derpy
< 1329512723 658349 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they weer at the same horizontal < 1329512733 890781 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would still be a draw? < 1329512739 872201 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case... they would draw but shamefully < 1329512749 760868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you put in a space-filling curve that fills the whole square, can you lose? I'm still not quite sure of the whole "first function" thing, is that like in terms of t or what? As in, the smallest t_e for which x(t) or o(t) with t \in [0,t_e] claims a line? But couldn't you just make a space-filling curve that's be arbitrarily "fast"? < 1329512771 671521 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, but the other function can be equally fast < 1329512779 589883 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh isee what ur saying now < 1329512782 472601 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a draw by symmetry < 1329512784 85075 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to take turns...:-s < 1329512786 517367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's "claims a line of length 1 with minimal t" < 1329512804 750362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that was the correct meaning of "first"? Hokay. < 1329512831 481239 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can inject any asymmetry into this game < 1329512838 40286 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds a lot like tron as a function < 1329512856 272486 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make x(t) start a finite amount earlier, since it can draw a line in any finite amount of time < 1329512881 580422 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it start infinitesimally earlier, as long as you tell me what the hell that even means < 1329512897 681125 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe x(t) is allowed to claim an arbitrary point first < 1329512924 197586 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (as in go?) a countable set of points < 1329512955 276784 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be fun, less theoretically daunting, and easier to implement? < 1329512962 192486 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simultaneous tic-tac-toe < 1329512979 788817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1329512982 509774 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329513010 716286 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is with the turns thing? < 1329513012 587011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1329513015 692687 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is thinking in terms of terns? < 1329513016 357911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DIDN'T BELEIVE ME < 1329513017 12972 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns < 1329513020 524110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BELIEVE < 1329513041 64249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anyone who plays regular tic-tac-toe? < 1329513042 503166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO < 1329513086 76573 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way of imagining this that i got was jousting functions < 1329513215 826978 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this is where everyone goes for names, right? < 1329513223 823445 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CASE Bus System". Come up with a backronym. < 1329513244 566359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap-ass shit excrement < 1329513248 846760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer-Aided Sex Education. < 1329513251 26693 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should stop with these really bad topics... < 1329513261 937362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy Alternate Singing Enterprise < 1329513262 125841 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone plays tictactoe and for good reason < 1329513266 785474 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider something related to bus systems? < 1329513301 208058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure what a bus system is. :/ < 1329513301 813671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carbonated ale superbly eked < 1329513314 557028 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer-Aided Sex Education is a nice backronym, but it doesn't sound like the sort of thing a bus would be called. < 1329513320 20723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :casebussystem asebussystem sebussystem ebussystem < 1329513339 63302 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet cool idea though < 1329513391 899024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cockburningly, Amazingly, Seriously Expensive Bus System. < 1329513406 529959 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced "Coburningly".) < 1329513426 892157 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think that "CASE" isn't a great acronym for a bus system. < 1329513451 753667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can acronyms stabilize ever? < 1329513487 388172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What *is* a bus system? I mean, there's the system bus, and all kinds of different buses in different contexts. Or... is it, like, with wheels? A bus? < 1329513501 734415 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wheel kind. < 1329513504 928690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhh. < 1329513510 853664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of, you know, buses. < 1329513511 105355 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A giant box with wheels that people get into and wait until it rolls into the right spot. < 1329513515 885148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wheels on the bus go round and round < 1329513519 952146 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Round and round < 1329513525 167584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Round and round < 1329513526 286724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desert bus, right, I know about those. < 1329513527 149126 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carriers for relatively large amounts of data? < 1329513531 640660 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wheels on the bus go round and round < 1329513537 193440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All day long < 1329513552 725388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceteribus antabus sillybus exibus < 1329513574 90381 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cars Are Sorta Expensive < 1329513593 755529 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ...yes! I'm using that. < 1329513601 368592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1329513641 753578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to go with "Clean And Sober Experience", by way of cheating via acronymfinder. < 1329513693 34523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was the first I noticed on the list with positive bus-related qualities. But the car thing is better.) < 1329513754 16426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars and shuttles explode < 1329513801 320370 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-114-81.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329513817 937404 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1329513835 507533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem < 1329513872 622833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :capes always see exoskeletons < 1329513892 806542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carbon anemone saline eek < 1329514114 164167 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: çomeone already superiorated eu. < 1329514118 893426 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329514228 881542 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329514292 461497 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329514305 130258 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1329514307 419607 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1329514314 516741 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's everyone ... < 1329514322 429713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going OK < 1329514329 469564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're busy moving the wiki to another server atm < 1329514346 51465 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see ... < 1329514361 421881 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ... i'll check back later ... < 1329514364 530095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: hi! how did you find out about this place? < 1329514367 195544 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-208.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329514374 607802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Good question. < 1329514395 493410 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :searched for esoteric ... have a tooth for the mysterious ... < 1329514406 607222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're probably talking about the other meaning of "esoteric" < 1329514408 186886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah: then < 1329514409 680378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric < 1329514409 926645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric < 1329514411 777761 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i am intruding, i shall leave ... < 1329514411 964522 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. < 1329514413 77429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: This channel we discuss a lot of various thing but mostly computer programming stuff. < 1329514415 366345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, good timing :) < 1329514421 287769 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. < 1329514422 527931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: However, if you do have a question, please ask < 1329514447 184957 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We are rarely on topic but who knows) < 1329514457 292000 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am not in your league ... i just started looking into python < 1329514477 952223 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just found your channel name intriguing .... < 1329514511 910005 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: what zzo38 is trying to point out is that this isn't the place for study of necronomicon or the like (although it could be potentially) < 1329514520 359655 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you do not mind if i drop in when i run into a python road block < 1329514531 519787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenriswoolf: Try the Python channel. < 1329514551 544874 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah .. not everything esoteric is necromancy ... < 1329514558 847265 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a question about anything at all (on topic or not) please ask; we discuss a large number of things on this channel which are not on topic and can be confusing so ask whatever. < 1329514565 811274 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey thanks ... have a great weekend ... theo < 1329514575 59945 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is all about "weird" programming languages < 1329514579 540529 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Exactly. It isn't, but can be potentially if anyone has anything to say < 1329514587 370958 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also uh.. < 1329514600 330522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I know a number of people called Theo < 1329514601 520948 :fenriswoolf!~fenriswoo@216.159.104.232 PART :#esoteric < 1329514602 750191 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But still isn't the main topic regardless. The main topic is esoteric computer programming, but we are often not on topic) < 1329514623 932259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I didn't know that. < 1329514629 389714 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4, to be precise < 1329514633 81140 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like theres nothing to stop someone making an occult esolang < 1329514641 328322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMBIE? < 1329514668 977848 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1329514704 514695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they do mention necromancy in that one... good point!!! < 1329514729 479530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Snack. < 1329514730 660987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying. < 1329514737 598696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, there's no actual necromancy. < 1329514748 385526 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct. < 1329515171 396343 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete p; Necromancer n; n.resurrect(p); http://delipit.ro/magazin/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/inglip.jpg < 1329515338 762787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is inglip still around < 1329515430 824070 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 778,000 results < 1329515454 745585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's not really relevant to my question < 1329515467 246477 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your question is very difficult < 1329515512 868558 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i would have to check inglip's homebase < 1329515662 978588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: please look at your user talk pages /binbf and /ffbimp < 1329515672 116997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: please look at your user talk page /EsoS < 1329515718 220839 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where, on esolangs.org or new wiki? < 1329515719 455028 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1329515744 102278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: esolangs.org < 1329515750 866879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: thanks < 1329515752 505494 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done, what about them? < 1329515763 370145 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I wasn't logged in) < 1329515769 464375 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1329515791 256910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to not bother copying this table: < 1329515792 151294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSERT DELAYED INTO `mw_user_newtalk` (`user_id`, `user_ip`) VALUES (5,''),(0,'Sgeo/binbf'),(0,'Ihope127/EsoS'),(0,'202.139.118.19'),(0,'Sgeo/ffbimp'),(0,'MediaWiki default'),(489,''),(214,''),(0,'75.3.255.119'),(0,'88.226.134.138'),(0,'89.245.108.252'),(0,'18.85.1.11'),(255,''),(0,'203.223.152.82'),(374,''),(368,''),(11,''),(0,'76.235.211.209'),(305,''),(295,''),(529,''),(294,''),(545,''),(3,''),(12,''),(0,'96.32.244.172'),(369,''),(34,''),(0,' < 1329515792 339991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :122.213.250.14'),(0,'60.217.232.70'),(0,'202.176.202.137'),(0,'92.86.78.203'),(0,'72.200.73.175'),(0,'95.169.184.138'),(0,'200.29.96.75'),(580,''),(22,''),(27,''),(357,''),(21,''),(2,''),(669,''),(26,''),(468,''),(831,''),(592,''),(0,'188.121.63.154'),(562,''),(557,''),(0,'88.22.228.4'),(0,'71.238.223.31'),(0,'82.195.156.186'),(0,'63.105.26.46'),(0,'216.83.145.130'),(0,'68.226.23.83'),(0,'195.229.242.57'),(29,''),(0,'88.23.182.79'),(475,''),(0,'1 < 1329515794 30401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24.6.181.166'),(228,''),(0,'66.188.73.213'),(650,''),(154,''),(0,'64.75.72.4'),(0,'Ling111216L;'),(623,''),(0,'69.72.75.139'),(586,''),(661,''),(71,''),(0,'68.95.248.65'),(789,''),(771,''),(837,''),(838,''),(0,'Ling111216G'),(0,'Ling111216N'),(2712,''); < 1329515798 51491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just enabled that :P < 1329515831 706934 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to copy over our pages? < 1329515837 119282 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what? < 1329515843 412906 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, as in, things we didn't check? < 1329515847 269398 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, my user_id is 0 and my IP address is 'Ihope127/EsoS'? < 1329515852 763135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: right < 1329515857 982432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes! < 1329515994 9065 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1329515996 85609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-77-230.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: TTFN < 1329516612 146079 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329516757 225069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am learning far more about MediaWiki than I ever intended to. < 1329517269 948245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that looks like the "you have new messages" banner table < 1329517363 907591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, indeed < 1329517381 710857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also had its schema changed since, so dropping it = one fewer thing that can gow rong < 1329517382 752728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Orange Bar of Doom < 1329517388 816598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, yes < 1329517470 502281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just remembered that Wikipedia Review exists < 1329517643 956477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some common configurations of MySQL 4.1 and later, mysqldump can corrupt MediaWiki's stored text. If your database's character set is set to "latin1" rather than "UTF-8", mysqldump in 4.1+ will apply a character set conversion step which can corrupt text containing non-English characters as well as punctuation like "smart quotes" and long dashes used in English text. < 1329517651 629459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1329517654 73971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: remind me to check that < 1329517712 843132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK < 1329517716 905698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure what that's a bug in < 1329517725 667089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a set of locally reasonable configurations that make no sense globally < 1329517855 15951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `ar_title` varchar(255) character set latin1 collate latin1_bin NOT NULL default '', < 1329517858 662336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is latin-1 up the wazoo :( < 1329517893 811107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to just remove those
< 1329517938 163676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm < 1329517943 247416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the Perl for going to the next iteration of a while? < 1329517949 88755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next; < 1329517949 275499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"next" seems to switch to the next element without breaking control < 1329517964 555479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you put it inside a bare block? < 1329517967 569430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm... < 1329517968 59643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1329517974 114986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while -> if -> if -> next < 1329517986 749415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say which loop you mean by labelling the loop, LOOPNAME: while(...) {} < 1329517989 976608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then do next LOOPNAME; < 1329517992 361171 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-238-208.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329518025 968081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's only one loop! < 1329518042 339049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/aIig < 1329518047 637486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this outputs the linse < 1329518049 51787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `blob_index` varchar(255) character set latin1 collate latin1_bin NOT NULL default '', < 1329518049 238690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `blob_data` longblob NOT NULL, < 1329518049 238807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : UNIQUE KEY `blob_index` (`blob_index`) < 1329518049 238852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1; < 1329518051 104663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite them being below < 1329518057 829138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREATE TABLE `mw_blobs` ( < 1329518059 856684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is in $ignore < 1329518061 342323 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-217.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329518062 501219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the "next" should trigger < 1329518065 440049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lines < 1329518073 443493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfly, it /doesn't/ output the CREATE TABLE line itself < 1329518075 220139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mw_blobs < 1329518173 668126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :'( < 1329518182 803005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why you don't write quick scripts in languages you don't really know < 1329518225 663636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1329518241 327017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "break;" < 1329518243 583223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean "last;"? < 1329518252 412683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1329518252 599345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what break does in Perl, but it's not the same as in C < 1329518254 294616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "break" do? < 1329518255 13191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1329518266 263991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works. thank you :) < 1329518266 451030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks out of the enclosing given() block < 1329518288 551563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looked it up < 1329518312 211360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without a use feature, that'll be interpreted as "break";, i.e. a no-op < 1329518316 404463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend turning on strict and warnings < 1329518325 607750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, I forgot those aren't on by default < 1329518341 441266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott users 198M Feb 17 09:47 esostuff/fulldump.sql < 1329518341 643972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott users 174M Feb 17 22:38 minidump.sql < 1329518345 87833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that mini... < 1329518424 796188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1329518550 440883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, finally < 1329518569 690697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be... interesting < 1329518602 76786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, what's a better hostname, solidity or solidus? < 1329518609 451133 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soliditus < 1329518617 959792 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidicious < 1329518619 683058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for Esolang, the first < 1329518630 41241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the more direct reference < 1329518643 634874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave it as it is, then < 1329518652 258562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1329518652 638985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1329518669 459085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh, my connection is slow because I'm uploading esostuff.7z < 1329518677 396771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329518777 972017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: 17-Feb-2012 22:26 < 1329518838 910510 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could've said "note to self: 20 minutes ago". < 1329518853 524569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the timezone < 1329518863 358710 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the logs? < 1329518885 970486 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you expect to find the note to self? < 1329518927 405602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: irc logs < 1329518954 917938 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why we need to spam the logs when elliott is gone. < 1329518974 149124 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they'll develop a better notetoselfing system. < 1329519042 697448 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought your note to self was pointing to something you said < 1329519073 157117 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you were < 1329519074 70767 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1329519202 619391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't. < 1329519386 703865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1329519555 435560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: get the fire extinguisher < 1329519573 78947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, are we about to have a flamewar? < 1329519588 347268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to deal with MediaWiki; that's basically the same, right? < 1329519589 614247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I turn my computer or network connection off? no way you can make it catch fire remotely if you don't have a connection < 1329519593 565495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm, perhaps < 1329519599 102857 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1329519636 839628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scp minidump.sql.gz
< 1329519676 938970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I bet the EsoShell pages cause problems < 1329520097 306427 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡! < 1329520120 850799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what < 1329520167 747367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet Russia, esoteric programming language invents YOU!!! < 1329520205 868687 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329520251 382217 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A very short exclamation en español. < 1329520339 576869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi monqy, take a look at the wiki. < 1329520364 480842 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But beware, looking at it will SHATTER YOUR FEEBLE MIND < 1329520400 470634 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no its graue < 1329520446 539686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you fix the wiki yet? < 1329520464 466253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, I'm working on restoring the SQL dump now. < 1329520472 481113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably be read-only for the next two to three days. < 1329520490 210940 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1329520531 781140 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you interpret the lines on your hand as a computer program? < 1329520579 307577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1329520618 425436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1329520644 130583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :const (putStrLn "hello, world") < 1329520684 374249 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't what I meant. < 1329520701 356971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean making each one different < 1329520701 568177 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats eliots hands < 1329520723 333734 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hands are const (putStrLn "hi") < 1329520723 555610 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I also don't mean you personally. < 1329520730 172641 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the const mean? as in uhh.. is that related to the K in SKI? < 1329520739 444529 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Yes it is same thing < 1329520756 571595 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1329520866 478212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a jukebox described in one of Hofstadter's book. It is a very large one, with only one record, which seems ordinary. There are many record players which will move on rails and touch the record. Each record player plays different music from the same record. Can we make up a esolang like this? < 1329520979 165999 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha.. that is weird. < 1329521021 623021 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Arguably, if the set of all record players is taken to be the set of all languages for which all input strings are syntactically valid, then we already have that, although we don't have very many record players. < 1329521072 321701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ....OK. < 1329521137 576211 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, can someone help explain const (putStrLn "hi") to me? < 1329521148 143706 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: yep < 1329521150 801298 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :const x y = y < 1329521156 947955 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1329521158 171963 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :const x y = x < 1329521179 912325 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: (const x) evaluates to a function which, when applied, ignores its argument and returns x. < 1329521186 800546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: it takes any argument and returns a program with prints "hi" < 1329521274 361983 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, so x is (putStrLn "hi") < 1329521286 736482 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot about the parentheses doing that < 1329521346 141940 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it makes sense in a kind of intuitive way < 1329521666 182006 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1329521710 162061 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how complex a sprite could be < 1329521749 378334 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this idea starts to quickly get weird < 1329521767 824435 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like first a sprite is defined by it's width and height in pixels < 1329521836 788626 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then with an alpha channel, each new pixel is a function of the previous pixel < 1329521881 786370 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but each new pixel could be a function of the neighborhood of the previous pixel < 1329522031 419600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news: the SQL import is going well < 1329522067 840456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1329522077 586128 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could be that each new pixel is a function of the neighborhoods of the last n previous pixels < 1329522723 893457 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1329522724 570515 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: a polyglot is a rather ironic thing to call a language. < 1329522908 642007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: OK < 1329522919 90277 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1329522950 163682 :H3LLB0Y!~Guy@49-50-247-219.a.hd.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1329523038 884534 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is xcbzone? Google is unhelpful, and from context I'm guessing a game