< 1329609914 992153 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-151-150.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329610467 200537 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BF53.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329610832 672154 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update ng tan < 1329612086 146196 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make something else. < 1329612508 495736 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE! < 1329612512 479813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please sear this image into your mind: http://codu.org/hats/NewTopHat-med.jpg < 1329612529 180857 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever you're doing something that Gregor would not approve of, just remember that image. < 1329612535 777798 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Together, we can all be more like me. < 1329613099 985648 :[-away-]!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared17 < 1329613367 266251 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I viewed it but I think that's all. I do not even necessarily know what you approve of, and in some circumstances I will not even care. < 1329613549 401434 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone help a brother out with a congruence proof? < 1329613556 90748 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1329613570 568221 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like it's REALLY obvious.. but I'm unsure how to begin. < 1329613577 145523 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your cute sister, on the other hand... < 1329613721 431464 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let a and b be any integers. Prove that if a^2 + 2b^2 = 0 (mod 3), then either a and b are both congruent to 0 modulo 3 or neither is congruent to 0 modulo 3. < 1329613728 342132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually. I guess I should work backwards < 1329613736 942742 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can see how it works going backward... so I just... reverse that. < 1329613739 595674 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRILLIANT < 1329613755 241237 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1329614120 949606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: As a special case of your thing, if g : R^+ -> R^+ continuous bijection, f(x) = { 0 if x = 0; -g(x) if x > 0; g^-1(-x) if x < 0 }. Might be useful if you want to have a specific sort of wiggle: just draw that in the x>0,y<0 quadrant, and mirror it over y=x to the x<0,y>0 one. < 1329614202 603726 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329614409 968989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1329616358 706199 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329616715 515865 :PiRSquared17!~PiRSquare@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329617432 676603 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote more of some D&D prestige class I was writing, still not yet complete. < 1329617789 172787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many tsume shogi games can be encoded on a QR code? < 1329617833 699197 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'qr code' isn't very specific < 1329617841 916991 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are different physical sizes and different amounts of error correction < 1329617855 542942 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean the largest physical size and least error correction, i'm still not sure what tsume means :) < 1329617928 685006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tsume shogi is a kind of checkmate problem for shogi games. There is a limit to the number of moves (counting moves on both sides; so it is always odd number), and the first player must give check every turn, the first player's king is not part of this game, as well as a few other rules such as futile interposition. < 1329617945 824130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which level of error correction is suitable for a fax machine? < 1329617957 395148 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowest i suppose < 1329617966 879298 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on if there are actual problems with the fax on the other side < 1329617972 714338 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it is a digital signal these days, yes? < 1329618017 565668 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's possibly 20 pieces on one side and 19 on the other < 1329618020 425143 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably much less ya? < 1329618027 594453 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you set a hard limit on the number of pieces? < 1329618042 5267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean using a normal analog telephone service. < 1329618066 572930 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just print it big enough that any messiness from the fax will be minor compared to the size of the qr code's pixels < 1329618077 174644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, tsume shogi is 20 pieces on one side and 19 on the other. However, most of the pieces start off the board (exactly how many depends on the individual problem). < 1329618077 405179 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i said physical size i mean dimensions in "pixels" < 1329618093 952903 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1329618173 903469 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2953 bytes max < 1329618183 220139 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming bitstream because of probable compression < 1329618201 894242 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since captured pieces in shogi can be played again, i suppose you have to always account for all pieces < 1329618218 991209 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you would want to represent the location as one of 82 possibilities, but they are mutually exclusive < 1329618230 296704 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you may be able to take advantage of that, likely other properties of shogi will make it easier < 1329618240 670749 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reducing the area or something < 1329618244 948600 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you could do that implicitly i bet < 1329618291 977043 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, but you might want rectangles and you'd have to know which slice of the board it is anyway < 1329618297 365608 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you do account for all pieces. Still, pieces off board on the same side which are the same kind of piece are interchangeable. < 1329618319 443410 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough < 1329618327 975449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do suppose, you could do things such as restrict the king to start on one of the first five columns, for example. < 1329618330 772598 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta decide whether it's better to store state for pieces or pieces for locations < 1329618388 140262 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i guess range encoding makes the most sense, it's essentially specifying which permutation "this" is out of all possible permutations < 1329618403 690834 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can benefit from statistical imbalance < 1329618405 95871 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are compressions you could possibly do. I have made up a compression system for encoding sokoban levels once. One thing possible to do in tsume shogi, is you must ensure that the initial position is not check. < 1329618410 86245 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi isn't exclusively a bot? < 1329618411 567990 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(large number of blank points on the board, for example) < 1329618446 356080 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect that the number of non-check positions is miniscule in comparison to the total number of positions and probably not worth it < 1329618458 62690 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you encode each piece in sequence as, like, a permuted value < 1329618463 80439 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first piece can be 1-81 < 1329618469 166747 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiply by 81, next piece can be 1-80 < 1329618470 759342 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1329618482 296830 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where each value is the number from one corner counting only available spaces < 1329618489 647141 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could implicitly exclude check positions < 1329618497 394272 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by simply not counting them in your tally < 1329618500 425853 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Yes I have thought of that kind of thing, the factorial encoding. < 1329618525 944564 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not only for tsume shogi but for various purposes) < 1329618527 180431 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect that would give similar results to range encoding though, and range encoding might be simpler to handle < 1329618561 832423 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want to try to do with entropy encoding is somehow maximize the imbalance in the input sequences < 1329618577 725087 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know the speed and stuff for computer to automatically calculate the number of moves. I do know a tsume shogi game for GameBoy, from Athena, which automatically responds to any move you might make (which must be check, of course), up to the maximum number of moves allowed. < 1329618598 86364 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really saying calculate all the moves < 1329618603 475792 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying calculate all the places one piece could be < 1329618611 828842 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then from the remaining places, calculate all the places the next piece could be < 1329618614 967044 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and encode those values < 1329618617 985839 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1329618620 391102 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :range encode those values < 1329618625 672026 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you benefit from a bunch of sideboarded pieces < 1329618630 955983 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they'll all be the same value < 1329618645 185348 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else gets encoded as a value between 0 and X where X is the max number of moves < 1329618652 704523 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this keeps lower numbers more likely, kind of < 1329618663 25171 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe don't use a left-to-right top-to-bottom thing, or use some form of prediction < 1329618664 296759 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that can do. So that I can see, on average how many bytes; and then encode an entire book in this way to see the total length of the encoded data. < 1329618682 668207 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did something very similar for tetris fields < 1329618694 712136 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can get like ... 8 byte(?) encodings < 1329618699 716621 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget the exact numbers atm < 1329618705 542180 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was more like 16 < 1329618726 929031 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1329618749 10654 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you are preencoding everything < 1329618756 488068 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose the optimal values for best compression < 1329618786 196535 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are doing many over time, it might be simpler to share a set of probabilities calculated from a large sample set < 1329618789 367011 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't have to send that data < 1329618804 809403 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or finally, you can do adaptive encoding where you base the proportions on the data you've decoded so far < 1329618807 181185 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or encoded) < 1329618812 440352 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are planning to fax QR codes? < 1329618834 377713 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question i'd like to attack is, how better to encode piece locations < 1329618838 272664 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get more redundant data < 1329618916 191566 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get really tricky and do something like < 1329618947 467932 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :order the locations by representing squares that are likely to have pieces (squares that protect pieces of your side) < 1329618962 159601 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or squares that are not directly threatened by the other side) < 1329618975 311684 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd gain you some, but i'd like it if there was something better than that < 1329618989 164104 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps order them within those two divisions by distance from the initial piece < 1329619006 58455 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the previous piece, or some coordinates < 1329619018 232063 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably coords since the piece order is fixed, then you can further reduce the values that encode locations < 1329619019 782394 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange positions tend to come up in puzzles as often as they don't appear in games < 1329619033 519253 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but given an arbitrary set of pieces < 1329619044 28354 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it's likely or unlikely that many pieces are all threatened at once? < 1329619062 565834 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a small set of pieces, rather likely < 1329619063 157009 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and given the nature of the problems, do you think it's likely or unlikely that the pieces will be spread out or more clustered? < 1329619085 876126 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play shogi, but I'd assume they can be arranged either way. < 1329619089 494297 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i sort-of tangled "threatened" with "undefended" < 1329619102 789526 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by threatened i meant in danger of capture, in a bad position < 1329619112 404117 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess you could flag "protected" pieces and use that to identify danger < 1329619157 238658 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another possibility is to create an encoding in which intelligence in choosing the input values can reduce the size < 1329619169 957670 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, there are many orders for the input, but the program can choose the one that yields the best results < 1329619179 697600 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to offer features for the encoder to take advantage of in that case < 1329619187 659064 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure what those could be < 1329619210 42426 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could possibly do something like ordering pieces along their threat areas < 1329619215 635166 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creating a chain of pieces in sequence < 1329619221 898753 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all can "attack" the next one < 1329619232 363210 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the longest chains = best compression, since the range of values is much smaller < 1329619244 252597 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you gain some weight by having to specify WHICH piece < 1329619300 480533 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: For something entirely different (not tsume shogi) I am planning to fax QR codes, or some kind of barcode anyways; it doesn't have to be QR code. The only thing is so that the sender can receive the same page possibly with marks filled in by pencil and understand (so, the codes will be twice faxed) < 1329619300 682315 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a bit silly of me to say that the same-encodings of the out of play pieces will compress good for being the same value, since the out-of-play pieces can be derived implicitly, though i suppose you have to identify which side they are captured by < 1329619323 836705 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qr codes can actually be quite resistant to markings < 1329619331 243959 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite possible you could mark up and only fax once < 1329619356 700519 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the format is pretty interesting < 1329619360 858559 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: In general, most of them belong to the second player (the player having the king). < 1329619371 156577 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the data is ordered to present the least chance of damage in one physical location damaging the data < 1329619397 509804 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: It isn't the QR codes which will be marked up by pencil; it is other stuff similar to scantron or something like that < 1329619398 643458 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the highest error correction iirc you can lose half the data and still be ok < 1329619404 245792 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1329619443 611743 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in that case the smallest encoding might be something like, a list of pieces captured by the attacking player < 1329619512 1684 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Yes, it is what I was thinking. Even when written on paper, the pieces available for the second player to drop are not mentioned since they are implied < 1329619564 622868 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329619564 864318 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1329619565 50709 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329619865 359450 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr this is getting annoying < 1329619881 892088 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas on isolating an intermittent hardware problem (system freeze)? < 1329619904 178441 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thermite? < 1329619962 572192 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329619962 880274 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1329619963 67031 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329620160 588232 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329620168 658849 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1329620390 731288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, do you get anything useful if you point a barcode reader at a zebra? < 1329620408 928395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a "silly source code" idea < 1329620421 997269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing the program is easy, but you have to find an appropriate zebra to input it to the interpreter < 1329621073 382941 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try it? < 1329621826 587086 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329622250 537318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I don't have any zebras spare < 1329622646 969924 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can you use some pictures of zebras from Wikimedia Commons or whatever? < 1329622666 678647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not sure I have an appropriate barcode scanner eitehr < 1329622668 97077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*either < 1329622733 553546 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are computer programs which will do it, such as zbar; possibly you can cut out part of it to make it like a proper barcode see if it scans < 1329623052 293728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the information content of a zebra barcode is quite low < 1329623063 113575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably you'd make it an alternate syntax for GolfScript or a similar language < 1329623131 777237 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A herd of zebras < 1329623200 184702 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :First you should try it to see if you can get anything at all < 1329623489 252504 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1329624143 752703 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of any barcode is marks that are consistent across all barcodes of the same style, so that the scanner can compensate for size/distance. < 1329624149 396519 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no, you can't scan a zebra. < 1329624159 658101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not unless it happens to be of the rare barcode breed of zebra. < 1329624172 292844 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I hear a breeding project? < 1329624222 591319 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Breeding zebras as an information storage medium | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1329624370 94988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then invent a new barcode format. < 1329624395 795715 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zebar < 1329624412 305426 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the better-sounding bracode < 1329624432 193183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also think of a similarity to the chiromancy idea I have posted on esolang wiki list of ideas a while ago) < 1329624468 745497 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good one. i like it. < 1329624499 530127 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barcodes: silliest backup medium? < 1329624514 70219 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that goes to DVDs. < 1329624526 516234 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1329624530 877651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :archival ink is known to last a long time < 1329624543 898203 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well. There is that. < 1329624544 112816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, qr code would be better < 1329624552 948074 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qr code is a form of barcode. < 1329624561 582562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1329624593 945660 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"barcode" in modern use refers to any optical machine-readable data storage. < 1329624624 873783 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329624637 89571 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVDs rot, are cumbersome, and have no integrity monitoring < 1329624659 576162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first learned about 2D barcodes from an issue of 2600 < 1329624661 241406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppies are worse :P < 1329624669 265590 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: They're not even the silliest quickly-rotting backup medium! < 1329624687 403135 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're the silliest that people seriously use < 1329624719 414384 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION brandishes an Iomega product
< 1329624758 908769 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, DVDs aren't *too* bad if you actually work with them. Like, I dunno. Write on multiple discs, replace yearly, verify checksums? < 1329624770 117862 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cumbersome. < 1329624773 893460 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1329624780 615882 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially considering DVDs are tiny. < 1329624792 887181 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A jukebox mechanism renders any possible cost savings moot < 1329624801 231652 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd be better off doing something like, say, a few external hard drives. < 1329624853 880444 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This also has the advantage of not being insanely slow. < 1329624919 795213 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Silly backup media? Heck, let's go insane. Delay lines. < 1329624940 148522 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've got a lightminute of data storage here!" < 1329624965 589227 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercury was cheaper than silicon wafers! < 1329625029 783116 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so was antimatter, your point? :P < 1329625052 789330 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of a company touting their battery-backed SDRAM drive to be great for swap < 1329625080 754861 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, RAM is wonderful for swap. :P < 1329625723 532822 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a "type 40" QR code can store up to 2,953 characters. It's very dense. Assuming you could print, say, twelve of those at readable DPI per side of a sheet of paper, you've got about 69KB per sheet of paper. That means a floppy disk is 21 pages. < 1329625757 191795 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, /version/ 40. < 1329625786 90529 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means that a complete, if minimal, Linux install would be ~21 pages. < 1329625849 287989 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source code for the linux kernel, compressed, would be at least 750 pages though :) < 1329625849 797011 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, because QR codes make this relevant: 2,953 *octets*. < 1329625859 738178 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. < 1329625868 147944 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean letter size paper? < 1329625898 121569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Since it all comes down to what DPI you can print and what DPI you can scan, I'm not really specifying a paper size, just estimating how many QR codes you could fit on some "reasonable" size. < 1329625909 227561 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1329625913 370756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also store numeric, alphanumeric, and kana/kanji data, each with varying amounts of storage. < 1329625947 755040 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it's just 2,953 octets, so. :) < 1329625955 204114 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at some QR code programs they have many files needed to encode it properly. I once wanted to make a QR encoder in TeX. I do not even know how. < 1329626080 992793 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I did write a POSTNET encoder in TeX. < 1329626383 536167 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329626753 558768 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329626899 716820 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329627059 140744 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gayhomophobe.com/ Best thing? < 1329627079 428079 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maintains a count of the days since a homophobe was caught in a gay sex scandal) < 1329627604 392794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you're not going to find a QR code on a zebra :) < 1329627623 949324 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1329627635 954283 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without breeding zebras as an information storage medium. < 1329627706 113764 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1329627809 320981 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think google is so busy advertising it's privacy policy because it's gonna screw everyone in the ass < 1329627825 215162 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was no downsides i don't think they would promote it so much < 1329628152 913834 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1329628365 287483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: the advertising is useful, it let me know how to delete my Google account, so I did < 1329628430 511542 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not that i don't like google.. just that i feel like all this effort to advertise some major changes to their privacy policy is probably really bad news for me < 1329628466 819267 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they changed it, people started to rumble about how they were trying to sneak it under everyone's noses. < 1329628475 688448 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure they started advertising it mainly to say "No! No! We're not!" < 1329628488 710039 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whats the worst they can do i guess < 1329628489 895279 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kinda went overboard though. < 1329628521 67913 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( /join #google-privacy-policy ) lol < 1329628589 512238 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding is that previously their privacy policies were self-contained, which is to say that your information from one Google service usually couldn't be used in another (depending on the two services in question), and furthermore every service had its own privacy policy. They integrated it in both senses: There is only one Google privacy policy now, but it covers all Google services, so they're universally allowed to share amongst themselves. < 1329628618 145797 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that can't be so bad < 1329628653 394971 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the kind of thing that I just assumed they were doing in the first place, I was shocked by the suggestion that they might not have been X-D < 1329628724 527149 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they do anything wrong we should just email them your discouragement photo < 1329628866 273984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I like the theory that they're trying to discourage a lawsuit < 1329628917 38972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you enable show-punycode on your computer? < 1329628922 198993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it reminds me slightly of the VPSAD mousetrap I pulled off once, when you make absolutely sure that you've let someone know the potential consequences of someone, so that you can actually make said potential consequences happen later and they can't deny it < 1329629027 167314 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329629099 2080 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329629478 50491 :Chef__!~Chef@S0106001310f0b056.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329629641 789982 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329630386 929073 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329631076 524514 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, if it is ever possible to homograph attack within the Dungeons & Dragons game < 1329631464 413438 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329631510 112658 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-213-31.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1329631517 311251 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329631666 481490 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut < 1329631688 5008 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently in the US up until the 70s there were life insurance vending machines. < 1329631700 535996 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an airport you could buy life insurance for the duration of your flight. < 1329631722 339630 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a vending machine. < 1329631733 435544 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a cruel joke < 1329631744 196445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also life insurance used to be very different < 1329631760 466790 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was apparently ridiculously profitable. < 1329631766 730397 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense. < 1329631785 817805 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the safety record of flight, that's nearing on "license to print money". < 1329631830 792114 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its no better than the record of cars if you look at it closer < 1329631849 149352 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so? < 1329631853 126599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because cars are a more likely form of death doesnt mean theyre less safe on average < 1329631884 753949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have numbers on me, but ive seen them < 1329631887 568207 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How, precisely, are you measuring their safety? Risk of death per time spent in the vehicle or some such? < 1329631910 49743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :per trip, lets say < 1329631918 859148 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safety is usually measured in unpleasant events per unit distance per passenger < 1329631921 413382 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Course, I'd say that selling a life insurance policy for the duration of a car trip would *also* be ridiculously profitable. < 1329631935 743380 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People usually don't die from car accidents. :) < 1329631942 255902 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1329631964 745093 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use extremely convoluted plans to somehow get dead during the flight, also killing a single person who happens to be on that flight that you and many other people also really want dead < 1329632003 646772 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And be sure to be signed up for cryonics, and will your life insurance winnings to be held in trust for you. < 1329632007 28394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah man. suicide by plane. < 1329632024 252287 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a several-win scenario, if it works. < 1329632039 301647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesnt...what a loss < 1329632065 642325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Course, if you really wanted everyone else on the plane to be dead, you're still winning. < 1329632107 739843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i sold life insurance, it would contain a reclamation clause. becoming undead means unclaiming the insurance money. you have to pay it back with interest for the time you spent dead. < 1329632177 124051 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if a dead guy gets snap-cloned < 1329632215 174462 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yeah, but alas, most life insurance goes with legal death. < 1329632218 667135 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fools. < 1329632246 701698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: including mental state at time of death? < 1329632303 775726 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not even mean necessarily everyone; if you could get some people surviving and others dead possibly if you can figure out a way to do so. While not allowing anyone to know how the plan was done because it is different from everything else. < 1329632303 962490 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exact state is probably unimportant. < 1329632380 770608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its different enough to constitute a different person, that would be a new person without any policy < 1329632387 322803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reclamation possible < 1329632956 586808 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you define "a different person"? There is even philosophical, such as Ship of Theseus, and if you have iron in two things in two places and it immediately switches places, and if a person is different when they are grow up or not, and so on < 1329632995 333315 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to, just invent snap-cloning and leave the question to insurance company lawyers < 1329633007 347880 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shotgun philosophy < 1329633055 378526 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lawyers will find a way to define a "different person", and sanity be damned. < 1329633092 381211 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, update < 1329633166 675825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might work in law, but philosophers will realize it is wrong and think of different ways < 1329633218 317712 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that applies to both sane and insane philosophers; so you are damned either way...) < 1329633257 341449 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but the philosophers are liable to spend centuries arguing about it. :P < 1329633276 314031 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes of course that is now philosophy works < 1329633305 83933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is a good thing that philosophy works that way < 1329633411 272188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in my opinion. < 1329633566 957200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, did anyone remember < 1329633571 813935 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1329633576 229674 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you could type in google searches < 1329633585 96654 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then click on a different kind of youtube search < 1329633589 711953 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would keep your query? < 1329633595 189436 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :GONE ARE THOSE DAYS, APPARENTLY? < 1329633613 884634 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1329633617 507207 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1329633623 533030 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's when you click the search in the top panel < 1329633632 433397 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's really fucking weird. < 1329633667 839971 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember the days when it was possible to search for an exact string in Google? < 1329633694 297288 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still isn't? < 1329633705 595213 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1329633717 425658 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something in quotes" isn't it? < 1329633733 322680 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Google got "smart" and that doesn't necessarily work. < 1329633814 239411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: we actually found a trick for searching for an exact word without it being autocorrected < 1329633817 935732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put extraneous hyphens in it < 1329633826 5077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, this is ridiculous) < 1329633899 80288 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You puny humans and your pathetic attempts to outsmart google < 1329634052 388709 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log braindamage.vg < 1329634088 188425 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1329634236 981332 :Chef__!~Chef@S0106001310f0b056.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329634302 7015 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1329634401 308890 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google has been getting worse all the time since they first existed....................!!!!!! < 1329634521 603870 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding @ exact searches < 1329634530 816320 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ran into one the other day that blatantly ignored -"phrase" < 1329634539 304212 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out something superceded it, reversing the order worked < 1329634552 583601 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a search last week that returns only youtube blended results < 1329634554 816107 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ads < 1329634561 577927 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no organic results at all on the entire first page < 1329634893 53823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do what was suggestion in 2600 once; make a program which occasionally sends bogus requests to Google < 1329635070 131032 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what that'll do to help anything < 1329635489 560938 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329635657 536564 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-151-150.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329635677 764131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-53.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1329635741 248781 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-177.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329636094 854320 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin transcribed into katakana is... So very strange. < 1329636102 682677 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ステラ　ノビス　ノン　コンチェスィト　ノン　コンチェスィト < 1329636105 683511 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, really. < 1329636170 571149 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i could still read that haha < 1329636188 264530 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stera nobisu non konchesito non konchesito" in wapuro romaji, "sutera nohìsu nonn konntiēsuīto nonn konntiēsuīto" in pikhq romasì, "Stella nobis non concessit non concessit" in more normal orthography. < 1329636211 929569 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1329636245 58348 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it has to do with lots of consonant endings in latin < 1329636245 616463 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/stera/sutera/ XD < 1329636248 289243 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things < 1329636294 158887 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Japanese has this funny pattern of everything being "consonant-vowel". < 1329636300 862671 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1329636303 740693 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That produces some really strange transcriptions. < 1329636309 649622 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consonant-consonant will do it too < 1329636390 722183 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've gotta learn kanji sometime soon < 1329636397 956107 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've now bought at least 4 manga series that i can't read < 1329636402 316307 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which? < 1329636419 799282 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.kitoh, also gunnm 'cause it's out of print < 1329636442 619676 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't say i have great taste haha < 1329636449 461253 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wanted to own them < 1329636450 266013 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, trust me, you want to learn kanji if you want to speak Japanese. Some people will tell you you can get away with it. < 1329636452 991804 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do want to get kknj too < 1329636453 568605 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all the Akagi manga series so far, including the special editions. < 1329636453 755128 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are morons. < 1329636467 642659 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't read fucking *Youtube comments* without kanji. < 1329636471 836531 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i said i ought to learn *kanji* < 1329636474 905230 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even japanese < 1329636475 321787 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1329636483 291827 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i would like to do that too at some point < 1329636494 622330 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese ain't that hard. < 1329636496 724857 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i'll need some words here and there for stuff that doesn't have kanji < 1329636505 698464 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's more of commitment and time that's holding me up < 1329636514 984991 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not inability < 1329636523 2852 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hoping that maybe duolingo will add japanese soon < 1329636539 593075 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand some kanji, as well as knowing the hiragana and katakana entirely. Mixing kana with kanji does actually make it to read fast and better even though some people say it isn't. I know this because of my own experience < 1329636580 718592 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for a little while i was going through remembering the kanji, with the aid of that one website... has a derivative name, can't think of it at the moment < 1329636583 586148 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaced repetition works good < 1329636592 502076 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember all the kanji i picked up during that, it's just not many < 1329636608 619640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :漢字とカタカナとひらがなで書いて本当に読むのが速いぜ！ < 1329636612 171408 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reviewing the kanji = website < 1329636613 505749 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Reviewing the Kanji? < 1329636618 219799 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1329636636 647008 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how frequent compounds are, though, and i bet rtk doesn't teach that < 1329636640 814709 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they'll be somewhat obvious i think < 1329636647 189934 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, obvious that it's a compound < 1329636664 337914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compounds are highly frequent and highly obvious. < 1329636692 189122 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a significant amount of them are also fairly simple in construction. < 1329636747 419104 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's encouraging anyway < 1329636754 772703 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :販売機 "trade sell machine" -> "vending machine" < 1329636772 916726 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, uh, my budding library isn't exactly easy reading < 1329636779 587103 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get yotsuba& :> < 1329636899 484614 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's quite easy reading. < 1329636909 608679 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, "yotsubato!" < 1329636927 43127 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1329636932 212571 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's written with an &! < 1329636944 476726 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't write hiragana or whatever < 1329636954 743690 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's a translation artifact. :P < 1329636956 957534 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also mega cute < 1329636962 44048 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1329636988 465834 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1329636992 262259 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it makes more sense < 1329637033 35361 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. < 1329637037 533722 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer is freezing every ~hour now < 1329637043 224729 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopehopehope it's the video card < 1329637501 317695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When writing Japanese texts by hand I will use katakana because I find hiragana more difficult to write < 1329637502 130319 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-128.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Farewell < 1329637522 984114 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I can read hiragana OK) < 1329637526 387977 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't have an ime installed or know the syllables to write with < 1329637536 181550 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i had to write it gringo-style < 1329637536 615049 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1329637840 39798 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1329637857 602235 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-000-077.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329639351 293357 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, when writing English texts intended for myself by hand I will use kanji because I find it easier to write. :P < 1329639666 598084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I will sometimes do that too; but I also use English abbreviations (often shorter than a standard abbreviation), mathematical notation, and various other things. < 1329639684 997557 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually. Yeah, that's basically my note-taking. < 1329639700 258751 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get some insanely dense notes. < 1329639740 745077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, surely there are quite a few things expressible in English that can't be losslessly expressed in either kanji or kana? < 1329639764 940873 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as things I just omit because the way I think, they are implied. < 1329639766 102863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's not a corresponding Japanese word, there won't be a kanji, and English and Japanese use different alphabets, in terms of which syllables are expressible < 1329639828 161519 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that is the case in any language where some things are impossible to translate exactly, both in meanings and in syllables. < 1329639831 836543 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: First, I end up using the kanji ad hoc to map to morphemes, second, it's used not entirely. < 1329639841 41713 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like kanji are used in Japanese, actually. < 1329639856 980467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a substitution cipher that uses kanji? < 1329639890 649859 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda. < 1329639902 164509 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that this is literally how Japanese is written. < 1329639934 309302 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I write my name using the kanji for black < 1329640161 170545 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to cry at the number of times I see languages contrasted against Java. < 1329640180 137124 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not comparing you to Java, I already think that Java's crap, how do you stack up against a _good_ language? < 1329640229 58859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: It's... < 1329640408 991908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make sense to compare on performance < 1329640419 549552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from startup time, Java's pretty fast, but often pretty memory-hungry < 1329642695 209280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1329642769 353580 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329642920 552913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329645195 237514 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1329645647 37566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329648233 16462 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1329648724 88737 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329649234 461642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1329649240 798386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, zippy < 1329649332 855683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect i should have replaced AVG a long time ago. < 1329649388 509820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an antivirus that become gradually more annoying over the years) < 1329649391 996952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a < 1329649400 553140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly < 1329649421 47151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Security Essentials is reasonably non-obnoxious, and apparently also quite good at catching malware (although not the best) < 1329649446 822748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they made the mistake of sneaking their toolbar past me, and when i discovered that it looked easier to replace the whole program than uninstalling just the toolbar... < 1329649498 958546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i went to MSE. that "non-annoying" on their page was _so_ alluring. < 1329649724 74049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1329649929 395379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equus barcodus < 1329649986 111888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There are computer programs which will do it, such as zbar; possibly you can cut out part of it to make it like a proper barcode see if it scans < 1329650008 114638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...clearly that program name is missing an e somewhere. < 1329650033 912100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious missed pun opportunity. < 1329650217 100841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there is one actually called zebra. < 1329650246 354525 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zebra would be so easy to google. < 1329650266 667391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _did_ add "barcode" < 1329650295 453896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i was thinking more like ezbar or so < 1329650319 977997 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not zbear? < 1329650326 11056 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbare < 1329650339 997590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> permutations "zebra" < 1329650340 782133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["zebra","ezbra","bezra","ebzra","bzera","zbera","rbeza","breza","berza","r... < 1329650374 218679 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (permutations <=< subsequences) "zebr" < 1329650375 48728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["","z","e","ze","ez","b","zb","bz","eb","be","zeb","ezb","bez","ebz","bze"... < 1329650436 225012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle subsequences < 1329650436 457694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List subsequences :: [a] -> [[a]] < 1329650461 164562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WAS WRONG WITH filteM (const [True, False]) ? < 1329650466 996085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*filterM < 1329650506 830724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> subsequences [1..] < 1329650507 639315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],[1],[2],[1,2],[3],[1,3],[2,3],[1,2,3],[4],[1,4],[2,4],[1,2,4],[3,4],[1,... < 1329650523 85663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that doesn't work on infinite lists. < 1329650630 269785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329650646 980191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1329650656 378874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1329650694 997990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the sudden 'stral'ness, mate < 1329650695 943051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1329650724 160877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crikey, can't a mate speak a bit strine? < 1329650808 213908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something something barbie something. < 1329650819 824012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw is http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=1004 broken for everyone else? < 1329650824 691362 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1329650833 248030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1329650861 612915 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works fine < 1329650864 22435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get a broken picture :( < 1329650939 757351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even directly at http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/comics/1004.png < 1329650964 54012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both wurk for me. < 1329650970 692821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1329651013 356482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's insane < 1329651064 299801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How's http://zem.fi/~fis/1004.png for you? < 1329651093 376699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...still broken. < 1329651110 40760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wuird. Maybe there's something STRANGE about the PNG. < 1329651121 432304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be < 1329651147 394963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ convert 1004.png 1004.gif < 1329651147 582212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert: Incorrect bKGD chunk length `1004.png' @ warning/png.c/PNGWarningHandler/1457. < 1329651148 63410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed it the day it went up, but thought it would surely be fixed by now, but if only i see it... < 1329651153 846405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that would be it. < 1329651177 888000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your PNG-grokking thing must be pickier than others'. < 1329651203 410101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway http://β.zem.fi/~fis/1004.gif < 1329651214 237296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you MUST SEE it.) < 1329651251 788460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1329651282 152754 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1329651294 811442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's also picky about showing that β < 1329651309 771773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it allowed it as input. < 1329651318 556934 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329651331 97886 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What browser? < 1329651334 481922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 8 < 1329651337 550207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort-of regretting that β. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but seeing it written "xn--nxa" all the time in Chrome/Chromium is being the annoy. < 1329651354 565213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently in IE too. < 1329651379 124515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _is_ suggesting i change the language settings to allow it. < 1329651417 167694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome's rule too is "show characters in the language the user can read", approximated somehow. < 1329651485 446490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While Firefoxy things whitelist all .fi TLD addresses, which doesn't really make sense for weird things not in the second-level domain. (They whitelist all TLDs that have a policy for misleading special characters in place.) < 1329651611 330995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329651652 166064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think they could just allow everything below the second level; even if I were to write "finnishbankinginstitution" with some homographs, a) "finnishbankinginstruction.zem.fi" wouldn't do me much good, and b) I could do it with the real characters just as easily. < 1329651702 139716 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329651703 525334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose they're trying to fix "looks weird", not "can be used for sneakishness". < 1329651794 406084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if IE would allow the beta-like 'ss', which is in latin-1. Chromium didn't, for me. (On the other hand, I don't think it allowed ä either, I must have it set in some English mode.) < 1329652086 308798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it reminds me slightly of the VPSAD mousetrap I pulled off once, when you make absolutely sure that you've let someone know the potential consequences of someone, so that you can actually make said potential consequences happen later and they can't deny it < 1329652090 779981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's VPSAD < 1329652176 89214 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1329652307 822629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vice President of sadness, maybe? < 1329652371 564465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Vice President of Student Activities and Development, suggests G.) < 1329652470 886739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1329653782 614921 :ineiros_!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1329655278 143525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: correct < 1329655304 246818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only nomic-style scam I've done in real life < 1329655313 316135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't /do/ anything with it, just wanted to see if it was possible < 1329655322 313951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, it only lasted one year, probably) < 1329655338 579017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to real life's rule 101 equivalent) < 1329656651 417916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1329658056 870321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, Reddit's reflecting #esoteric, in a bit < 1329658064 423960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were discussing typed Underload recently < 1329658084 159132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone went and implemented a simple typed concatenative language in Haskell < 1329660927 449787 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329660927 673582 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329660927 673659 :tzxn4!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329660927 860155 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust632.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1329660927 860294 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329660949 648487 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1329661081 332954 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329661081 519884 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329661081 520030 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329661083 840961 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329661093 631836 :user2!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329661101 408601 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329661125 391074 :kmc!~keegan@c-98-216-51-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329661241 333072 :tzxn4!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329661241 519622 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329661241 519786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329661258 555457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329661326 145051 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329662248 717809 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329666259 698949 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1329666390 549223 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329667929 591413 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-128-177.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1329668152 246536 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-150-39.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329668320 317245 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1329668722 358265 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329668774 77757 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1329668890 290505 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-155-68.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1329669122 480297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it seems that Pokémon's fallen guilty to the clbuttic situation, but targeted at themselves; it's impossible to trade an English-language Cofagrigus via the internet trade thing, unless you change its name from the default, because the default name trips the profanity filters < 1329669159 790098 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahaha < 1329669207 102496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the only one, either :) < 1329669237 623429 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMBC has been having a really good run recently: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2525 < 1329669312 944192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : A small update on the GTS fail swear filter situation. For some reason, someone on Serebii is having trouble trying to trade his Archeops, pretty much exactly how we have trouble trading Cofagrigus, Skuntank, and Marshtomp. I cannot for the life of me see the possible profanity in "Archeops", though. < 1329669319 682572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite the profanity filter < 1329669356 566103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You archin' arch. < 1329669385 892711 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1329669390 160496 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is getting ridiculous. < 1329669391 787784 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's to do with the che? < 1329669397 372330 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how so? < 1329669409 144035 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no reply. < 1329669411 959159 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1329669437 385838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a weekend < 1329669442 646202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :several people don't have internet access at weekends < 1329669451 65498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(people who access only from school or work) < 1329669527 283309 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable < 1329669528 167100 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1329669544 218814 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My estimate of the chances of that applying here are 0. < 1329669554 6870 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1329669556 475987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1329669556 662859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1329669576 149588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one of them a reply from i? < 1329669587 68450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it was oerjan who screwed that up, not you < 1329669622 247701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1329669630 427227 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott_ Some years from now you will log in with an underscore in your nick, and before you ghost the original, you'll be reminded of this message I sent years prior. For no reason. < 1329669630 614102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1329669689 771081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he forgot the name in an @tell < 1329669700 224947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott_ < 1329669701 997928 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1329669702 184725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor said 1m 11s ago: Some years from now you will log in with an underscore in your nick, and before you ghost the original, you'll be reminded of this message I sent years prior. For no reason. < 1329669704 753639 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1329669708 871353 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME < 1329669751 409939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan said 18h 16m 27s ago: i just looked at the [[wikipedia:complex number]] you added to Excela and it _does_ show identical to a local link. i hope that has changed in recent versions then. < 1329669767 63154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan It displays purple when visited in MW 1.18, unlike wikilinks. < 1329669767 265057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1329669784 731120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan And the same blue as external links when not. < 1329669784 940445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1329669838 550728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have some sort of externalness mark on it, really < 1329669872 212555 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally a tiny Wikipedia logo. < 1329669929 429558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's copyrighted! < 1329669947 904982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, it is, and the WMF go and enforce it too; an interesting side effect of this is that you can't use the Wikipedia logo in a Wikipedia article) < 1329669959 402584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tiny wikipedia logo with all the letters omitted < 1329669962 992341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except occasionally due to fair use) < 1329669964 715839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it worked for Debian < 1329669978 308713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1329669984 830776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian actually replaced Firefox's icon with a custom one really quickly < 1329669990 936355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked for Ubuntu for like one release :P < 1329670016 140196 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually thinking of the stylized 'W', not the puzzle globe. < 1329670020 686200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually /like/ the name Iceweasel… < 1329670047 671868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, that's the favicon, right? < 1329670068 425113 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1329670073 275787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:28:43: Apparently a "type 40" QR code can store up to 2,953 characters. It's very dense. Assuming you could print, say, twelve of those at readable DPI per side of a sheet of paper, you've got about 69KB per sheet of paper. That means a floppy disk is 21 pages. < 1329670073 463626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:29:17: Sorry, /version/ 40. < 1329670077 669067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Stop talking in the past now and read http://ollydbg.de/Paperbak/. < 1329670164 767399 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ewwwwwwwwwwindows. < 1329670244 453791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah, now stfu and ignore the program parts < 1329670279 714361 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1329670477 583530 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't download properly. < 1329670543 291690 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, that was mind-bending. < 1329670551 712436 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox goes all nutty trying to download it, wget had no problem. < 1329670583 570317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wget uses paper-backed downloads. < 1329670588 732078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it's more reliable. < 1329670634 253076 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1329670719 575937 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DD39.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329670898 757572 :fnaptagur!~dave@host-2-100-112-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329670902 771218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome fnaptagur < 1329670909 885955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnaptagur: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1329670933 569447 :fnaptagur!~dave@host-2-100-112-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there, am newbie < 1329670968 607509 :fnaptagur!~dave@host-2-100-112-155.as13285.net PART :#esoteric < 1329670974 764138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1329671003 534397 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newbie boson < 1329671073 139725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YAEOWKOEWHP#FALT < 1329671074 8608 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoods < 1329671125 597998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another example of WKOE which has plagued #esoteric for a long time < 1329671133 901069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what does the WKOE expand to? < 1329671187 68990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrong kind of esoteric < 1329671246 722166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1329671252 416344 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have no evidence that it was a WKOE. < 1329671259 308822 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could have just been an imbecile. < 1329671274 517379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe even NKOE. < 1329671300 632183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have a sense for WKOEs. < 1329671373 940935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just in: Java gets unsigned arithmetic < 1329671411 166865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really, it's just adding more library functions for doing it < 1329671413 320415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had >>> already < 1329671419 475925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :major gain from this is unsigned < and > < 1329671421 471254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not arithmetic. < 1329671429 570238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> is more arithmetic than < is < 1329671492 395134 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-150-39.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329671627 396362 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if that was the case we'd have to jump ship immediately before Wolfram bought the place up. < 1329671780 634408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the lament impersonator wasn't iament < 1329671782 789727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assumed they were < 1329671830 642021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan "removing fowl language" -- you, removing the word "cocks" from [[Esolang:Sandbox]], 2007 < 1329671830 865281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1329671852 853447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I don't think anyone can ever forgive your puns. < 1329671853 39918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1329671951 758489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it bad to edit the database to fix a typo in a log message? < 1329671973 554434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's ridiculous :) < 1329672013 130128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1329672122 317626 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-153-7.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329672160 144095 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: stuff < 1329672231 305695 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329672354 928671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stop using commas like that < 1329672387 832448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1329672448 674823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"amusingly, to wrap around the OCaml REPL; I didn't realise that ledit itself was written in OCaml, but trying to determine its version number to answer your question, it became obvious, because nothing else has an argument parser that works quite like that" < 1329672450 467000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329672459 723984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, stop using BBCode on reddit; this is the second time you've done it without noticing it doesn't work < 1329672572 76984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's its fault, it doesn't have a preview button < 1329672577 623507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to previewing before posting < 1329672582 109196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means I tend not to preview afterwards < 1329672590 262954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Markdown is incredibly bad for use on fora, wikis, etc. < 1329672605 761060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem reasonably good for its intended purpose, which is writing documentation < 1329672608 749830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for sandboxing HTML < 1329672610 152559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a "help" link right next to submit < 1329672612 815445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's designed to be intermixed with HTML < 1329672619 970117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that doesn't show preview, though! that just explains markdown < 1329672631 519850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a sufficient explanation that BBCode /won't/ work < 1329672667 964036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know: "In order to program a computer, you must be able to think like the computer." < 1329672700 548930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbcode fixed, at least < 1329672706 890422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the problem is not that I don't know that bbcode doesn't work < 1329672715 785888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that there's no real indication that I typed it, but carefully scanning the post for bbcode < 1329672719 288143 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we still having the Alan Dipert is asleep problem? < 1329672721 608597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or looking at it /after it's submitted/ < 1329672731 665923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there isn't a preview < 1329672791 523319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it after submitting, then do edit if it was wrong < 1329672853 769511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes < 1329672866 290126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: reddit also has an edit link < 1329672881 268234 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the whois info gives a phone number. Is that an option? < 1329672891 652329 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1.7166391144 < 1329672892 601657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, I just edited the BBcode out < 1329672913 253083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's rare for that to go to the person who owns the domain, normally it goes to a domain registrar switchboard < 1329672939 773335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/p31g9/the_bintrue_command_and_copyright/c3m7ndz :P < 1329672943 490860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm not going to phone someone < 1329672945 50359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially overseas < 1329672972 109388 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He hasn't tweeted in 4 days < 1329672997 64709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was ages ago! and nobody else commented on the bbcode < 1329673002 374349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, I'll assume that people are just parsing it mentally < 1329673003 776392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: he seems to tweet only infrequently < 1329673014 417094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried to use that to figure out if he'd be awake or not when I sent it, heh) < 1329673018 103791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell I use webforums much more than I use reddit, right? < 1329673021 336053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But I saw it and went ":(". < 1329673026 440846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You don't want me to go ":(". < 1329673028 728466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and bbcode is much better than markdown < 1329673032 112172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for forums < 1329673050 899273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, somebody put ais523 on repeat again < 1329673051 493612 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He normally has a few tweets every couple of days < 1329673098 963936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Maybe he's using an offline Tweeter and connects every couple of days? (Has anyone made one? I's sure *someone* has.) < 1329673137 253069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you see the comment where I found a contradiction in the WTFPL? < 1329673154 828652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/pql5k/simplified_tetris_in_less_than_140_bytes_of/c3rmuw9?context=3 < 1329673346 592738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it appears to be a mistake; contact Sam Hocevar, maybe he'll publish WTFPLv3 < 1329673358 12536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can have flamewars over which version is better < 1329673412 627167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I think the WTFPL is a very bad license < 1329673417 428452 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-153-7.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329673420 165697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because there's no warranty disclaimer < 1329673451 788268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intentional < 1329673455 507754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it's possible it has no legal force at all, and someone who licenses work over the WTFPL can subsequently sue for copyright infringement if someone else distributes it < 1329673459 65360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1329673459 418572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no “no warranty” clause? < 1329673459 620640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WTFPL is an all-purpose license and does not cover only computer programs; it can be used for artwork, documentation and so on. As such, it only covers copying, distribution and modification. If you want to add a no warranty clause for a program, you may use the following wording in your source code: < 1329673459 807333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * the extent permitted by applicable law. You can redistribute it < 1329673461 348096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * and/or modify it under the terms of the Do What The Fuck You Want < 1329673463 284104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * To Public License, Version 2, as published by Sam Hocevar. See < 1329673465 416894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/COPYING for more details. */ < 1329673467 368133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1329673482 788825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I say this due to the lawsuits that upheld the validity of the GPL and Artistic License; they were both on bases that don't apply to the WTFPL) < 1329673496 961103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the FSF's lawyers accept WTFPL < 1329673503 676950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the OSI have implied that they consider it effective < 1329673508 29230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1329673514 838053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess estoppel might work < 1329673515 181332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in rejecting it) < 1329673516 590634 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-155-31.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329673528 891463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Title: WTFPL Submission: http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?17:mss:634:200902:aglgcgbhmfcheffmdgon License: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ Comments: It's no different from dedication to the public domain. Author has submitted license approval request -- author is free to make public domain dedication. Although he agrees with the recommendation, Mr. Michlmayr notes that public domain doesn't exist in Europe. Recommend: Reject" < 1329673552 563382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to be careful about such things; the GPL was broken in Germany for a couple of years until the government specifically passed an amendment to a law to fix it) < 1329673559 113278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cite for FSF: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/09/msg00032.html) < 1329673586 937356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, that's a silly objection since it applies to even ubiquitous licenses like BSD3/MIt < 1329673588 407446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MIT < 1329673596 48974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, indeed < 1329673623 160892 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaaaaaaaawd, WTFPL. < 1329673623 450476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's easy to envisage a different case that doesn't apply to the WTFPL due to lack of economic gain from the licensing < 1329673624 711695 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So stupid. < 1329673633 734604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what's stupid about it? < 1329673644 163551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Artistic License was upheld in court solely on the attribution requirement (the other parts may have been relevant too but weren't tested) < 1329673647 43992 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The no warranty clause bit. < 1329673651 724607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rg < 1329673656 419232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1329673656 781009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1329673657 158800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no “no warranty” clause? < 1329673657 345295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WTFPL is an all-purpose license and does not cover only computer programs; it can be used for artwork, documentation and so on. As such, it only covers copying, distribution and modification. If you want to add a no warranty clause for a program, you may use the following wording in your source code: < 1329673659 254217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * the extent permitted by applicable law. You can redistribute it < 1329673660 981895 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know. < 1329673661 262509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * and/or modify it under the terms of the Do What The Fuck You Want < 1329673663 170117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * To Public License, Version 2, as published by Sam Hocevar. See < 1329673665 169537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/COPYING for more details. */ < 1329673667 240418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1329673669 178666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1329673673 950676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the GPL on the basis that the author got an economic benefit out of the requirement for distributed modifications to be backcontributed < 1329673678 67154 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But stupid people will happily use it without the no-warranty clause. < 1329673688 794821 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since only stupid people use it, that means that nobody will ever read that. < 1329673691 974040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaaaaaaaaawd, chainsaws. < 1329673693 368647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So stupid. < 1329673703 759008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cutting your own body parts off bit. < 1329673706 721448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if you can take some WTFPL software and imply an indemnification clause into it, on the basis that it does anything < 1329673710 869293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[safety instruction manual gets quoted] < 1329673713 536633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But stupid people etc. < 1329673734 206031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I can do anything with the code, can I take that as permission to have the original author responsible if anything goes wrong with the code? < 1329673744 969288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an indemnification's a bit stronger than a warranty) < 1329673754 341064 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It would be stupid for the chainsaw manufacturer to sell it without the safety instructions. It would be stupid to publish code without a warranty disclaimer. < 1329673800 358338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The WTFPL manufacturer sells it with the safety instructions, and does not publish code without a warranty disclaimer. < 1329673809 22299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That quote is from the WTFPL page. < 1329673829 780810 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not claiming that the WTFPL author is being stupid, I'm claiming that people who use the WTFPL tend to be stupid. Since they only use it because "waaah I hate legalese" < 1329673844 826832 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the people who use the WTFPL are also distributors, distributors of code. < 1329673856 262826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so "WTFPL. So stupid." == "[Most] WTFPL [users]. So stupid." < 1329673888 695744 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the reason why most WTFPL users are so stupid is because the license only exists so you can go "waaah I hate legalese" < 1329673905 398258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In fact, both license types have unacceptable obnoxious clauses (such as reproducing a huge disclaimer that is written in all caps) that severely restrain our freedoms. The WTFPL can solve this problem. < 1329673905 585382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When analysing whether a license is free or not, you usually check that it allows free usage, modification and redistribution. Then you check that the additional restrictions do not impair fundamental freedoms. The WTFPL renders this task trivial: it allows everything and has no additional restrictions." < 1329673924 42851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wrong; WTFPLv2 exists to allow everything, at least. < 1329673930 135104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno about the motivations of WTFPLv1 (by a different author). < 1329673932 534456 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Sam Hocevar and why is it so familiar? < 1329673940 439010 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam Hovercar? < 1329673955 328488 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I know < 1329673973 285557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does a lot of things. He was the leader of Debian for a while, I think. < 1329674018 170410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Project_leaders < 1329674130 515103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original WTFPL is nicer < 1329674136 915313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1329674150 258215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The King of Debian. That would be a nice title. < 1329674152 509533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do What The Fuck you want to Public License < 1329674152 700355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1329674152 887148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 1.0, March 2000 < 1329674152 887338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright (C) 2000 Banlu Kemiyatorn (]d). < 1329674152 887449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :136 Nives 7 Jangwattana 14 Laksi Bangkok < 1329674153 85533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies < 1329674155 164982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of this license document, but changing it is not allowed. < 1329674157 249695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1329674159 51617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, the purpose of this license is simple < 1329674161 203099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you just < 1329674163 155756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO. < 1329674165 79759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1329674167 391866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /kickban fizzie disrupting the sanctity of [[]]s < 1329674169 199118 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1329674228 860546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, CC0 is only like half the size of the GPL < 1329674392 988043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was meant as a comment that CC0 is long < 1329674393 872793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not short < 1329674509 474257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I have a better cite for the FSF: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#WTFPL < 1329674747 538185 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1329674747 839201 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1329674748 25617 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1329675672 76247 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329676106 487217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329676120 618542 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1329676415 787434 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329676878 574626 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1329676914 33505 :user2!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :tzxn3 < 1329677028 576748 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4283f.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329677044 144877 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootstrappables < 1329677053 814164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1329677062 244628 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that word < 1329677065 364706 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootstrappables < 1329677070 864208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even a word < 1329677077 129011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootstrappable is an adjective < 1329677079 13346 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now < 1329677133 281766 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like bootstrappable languages < 1329677221 600390 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329677301 439233 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'know < 1329677404 12486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootstrappability isn't a property of a language < 1329677410 705032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1329677423 39184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can implement itself" works, but is a rather weak properly < 1329677431 810854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every TC language meets it, so almost every language people talk about meets it < 1329677436 641606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tons of non-TC languages meet it too < 1329677463 363769 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the way forth is mostly written in forth < 1329677490 571562 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, not a similar property at all. < 1329677570 850613 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-152-225.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329677738 838937 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-155-31.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329677760 608319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: that's not really what bootstrapping is used to mean < 1329677774 385650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is related < 1329677836 725074 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a self-sustaining process that proceeds without external help < 1329677855 889700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which does not apply to a Forth written in a non-Forth language, even if most of the library is written in Forth. < 1329677864 562489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that definition excludes everything. < 1329677872 341411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't depend on an OS, you depend on the CPU's instruction set. < 1329677877 812189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually you depend on the universe. < 1329677902 799587 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, once you write the few basic words, you can write the rest without any external help < 1329677979 507749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a minimal core. The same applies to e.g. the lambda calculus. < 1329677991 855990 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeyup. < 1329678012 89335 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a minimal core allowing for broad abstraction is a nice property, but not related to bootstrappability. < 1329678079 29244 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it has a minimal core as well as bootrappability < 1329678088 853225 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-150-177.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329678106 310968 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your definition of bootstrappability? < 1329678109 359661 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4283f.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a welcome paradoxon < 1329678119 623898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bootstrapping compiler is one that can compile itself. < 1329678127 81382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a Forth compiler in Forth is bootstrapping. < 1329678140 22399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or bootstrappable. Whatever. < 1329678158 232821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc, CMUCL, SBCL, GHC, etc. are all bootstrapping compilers. < 1329678162 2524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Forths too, but not all. < 1329678234 649556 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-152-225.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329678242 420292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: A small core aids bootstrappability, of course. < 1329678243 285348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329678246 114623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you have to implement less. < 1329678307 424323 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1329678325 392906 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To define it in terms of the language instead of the compiler, a language in which a compiler or interpreter for the language can be implemented is a bootstrappable language. < 1329678366 706995 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : bootstrappability isn't a property of a language < 1329678387 765287 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : well "can implement itself" works, but is a rather weak properly < 1329678391 880361 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose to use that definition :) < 1329678450 248799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically all languages are bootstrappable if you allow compilers. < 1329678464 336559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The identity function in language L is a bootstrapping compiler for L. < 1329678472 713739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So any language that can implement cat qualifies. < 1329678482 763032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, not "all languages", but all languages with basic IO support.) < 1329678498 258644 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first thought was Gravity :/ < 1329678553 912748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to get esolangs.org transferred to me with this latency >_> < 1329678619 844777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It expires in 24-May-2013, maybe you can claim it then if Whoever Whoeveritwas doesn't wake up before that. < 1329678689 794318 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329678740 956475 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-128.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329678831 942402 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened? < 1329679110 334697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nothing, that's the problem. < 1329679127 767354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I rather expect renewal or squatting will take it before I could. < 1329679187 239601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe, but presumably e'd have to be awake to renew it. < 1329679204 301525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it's winter, all kinds of critters are hibernating. < 1329679205 198755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You last registered a domain in 1995, I take it? < 1329679208 751839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auto-renewal is standard now. < 1329679297 193414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah-dard; none of my (two is plural!) domains "auto-renew". I mean, how'd that even work, automatically charge a credit card, or send an invoice, or something? < 1329679328 207088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course it automatically charges your card... which the registrar already has the details of... < 1329679342 964385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say manual renewal is most definitely the exception this century. I will go to... Gregor to back this up. < 1329679374 644844 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeyup. < 1329679381 442722 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All my dozens of domain names autorenew. < 1329679438 754709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR) < 1329679449 948934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no. I really must get esolangs.org transferred to me. < 1329679464 697878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just will not do < 1329679466 29757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1329679528 303961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s3.buysellads.com/1242768/35493-1283434214.jpg < 1329679528 942945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think my .org place has my credit card info in file; definitely not the government-run .fi place, since I've paid those with the national (net-)bank transfer thing-thing. < 1329679542 995999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the funniest ad ever. < 1329679544 941905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not the funniest. < 1329679547 39677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's funny. < 1329679548 526849 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get an invoice for my domain < 1329679849 129564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Tucows? Really? < 1329679901 102196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, apparently they resell to a bajillion companies. < 1329679942 137504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that register4less place. I haven't really bothered to change. < 1329679971 293446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That logo is familiar. < 1329680104 763988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should put in some IPv6 glue for selene.gehennom.org, and/or just not have it be inside the domain like that, since it's got a proper name in zem.fi anyway. < 1329680132 644270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, not "and". < 1329680149 906814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sentence makes absolutely no sense to me. < 1329680163 176539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also if I got esolangs.org transferred to me I could make it IPv6-ready!(TM)(C)(R)) < 1329680321 774728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To avoid dealing with the overhead of boxed values and to allow reuse of the built-in arithmetic operators, the unsigned API support does not introduce new types like UnsignedInt with instance methods to perform addition, subtraction, etc. However, that lack of separate Java-level unsigned types does mean a programmer can accidentally improperly mix signed and unsigned values. However, new unsigned types aren't the only way to mitigate this haza < 1329680321 960985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rd. For example, a naming convention of adding a trailing "U" or "_U" to variables holding unsigned values could be adopted." < 1329680337 70123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you have a nameserver for X.Y inside it (i.e. foo.X.Y), it needs "glue" IPv4/IPv6 address records at the nameserves of Y; otherwise Y's nameservers will just tell everyone that "to find out about X.Y, ask foo.X.Y", which isn't quite enough. (With the glue, it's "..., ask foo.X.Y at 1.2.3.4 or 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8".) < 1329680341 235967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle are actually, honest-to-god proposing Hungarian notation as a bandaid for their inability to overload operators < 1329680350 31546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Making defining a new type infeasible.) < 1329680377 99367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You run your own nameservers? < 1329680378 692029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdo. < 1329680405 570733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what GABRIELI.VPS.KOTISIVUT.COM is.
< 1329680406 667672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the way Things Were Done. < 1329680423 588407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kotisivut.com is a Finnish hosting/VPS place. < 1329680430 400286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's literally "homepages.com". < 1329680451 382393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a friend's box.) < 1329680474 407089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... see there's a webserver there. < 1329680484 450907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's useful. < 1329680518 789501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Things Were Done as in common practice at one time? < 1329680520 631982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1329680540 791493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, tell your friend their website is shitty. < 1329680604 92111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know about common; at least it used to be the case that domain registration cost less $s than domain registration + DNS services; and free primary-DNS places were awfully awful. < 1329680632 433356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was this one granitecanyon thing. < 1329680639 826037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's dead now. < 1329680654 334978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor mentioned them I think. < 1329680688 850837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GraniteCanyon.com - Google Public DNS < 1329680689 206179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois.domaintools.com/granitecanyon.com < 1329680692 768132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Google search for granitecanyon < 1329680698 93126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google Public DNS" appears nowhere on the page. < 1329680704 989415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Google Public DNS site is also the third result. < 1329680705 176268 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :granitecanyon is dead, yes. < 1329680705 710518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1329680717 254313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also most registrars throw in a free DNS server now. < 1329680718 601184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Dead since at least 2001, it seems. < 1329680726 723622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I've never seen a registrar not offer DNS. < 1329680731 134948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also VPS companies tend to. < 1329680735 1511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Slicehost and Linode both do.) < 1329680807 175502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :prgmr doesn't. :p < 1329680832 937090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus "tend". < 1329680841 438121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I didn't have a VPS account back then, I just had a computer. < 1329680876 233183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1329680897 183461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see gehennom.org was created in Aug 2002; I think I had just moved to the place where I had a beehive in my curtains. < 1329680903 712658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the most memorable thing about that place.) < 1329680905 815166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An actual beehive? < 1329680934 349349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I kept the windows open the whole summer, it was pretty warm there. Then when I was taking the curtains down when moving out, a beehive dropped down. < 1329680938 445450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were... unhappy. < 1329680960 788114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent a couple of hours elsewhere to wait for them to abandon it, as I recall. < 1329680970 724745 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: NO QUIT < 1329680978 140806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't a *big* one, but still. < 1329680981 272382 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: sup < 1329680994 529148 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a non-#esoteric person to answer my questions < 1329681001 446324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I mean a wasp nest. < 1329681006 293643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the confusion there. < 1329681026 987145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric, your premier source for non-#esoteric people < 1329681034 592830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all fly and buzz and so on, anyway. < 1329681049 181299 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: LOL CONTEXT < 1329681063 457899 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: why on earth do you frequent #python? < 1329681073 529611 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: to help people < 1329681083 969827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a MODERN-DAY JESUS, e is. < 1329681090 681417 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1329681096 502494 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: are there no intelligent #python regulars that can do that already? < 1329681105 416751 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: they're in short supply < 1329681120 609672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, a wasp nest is less impressive than a beehive. < 1329681121 843891 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..hm, well < 1329681124 9754 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: tbh I am on a lot of channels on freenode < 1329681125 361443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1329681131 854471 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do not chat on a lot of them much < 1329681142 215985 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking #python about TCO is actually not a good way to troll. because, they apparently don't know what it is or why it's not in python. < 1329681152 130040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I think so too. Still, it was memorable. < 1329681186 233802 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329681198 542395 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi(); < 1329681204 751768 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329681211 563497 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I was able to implement TCO on my calculator, since it lets you manipulate the stack in the language < 1329681217 47859 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reverse Polish Lisp) < 1329681234 889182 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: ah. so you manually performed the TCO I guess? < 1329681238 37313 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1329681239 357251 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was there a way to automate it? < 1329681240 223038 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1329681243 760231 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some functions like fold and unfold < 1329681251 242778 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I use those functions < 1329681286 105698 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: DON'T ANSWER < 1329681295 400415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1329681301 719490 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: lol sorry < 1329681308 56526 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll shut up now < 1329681339 172939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: If RPL has loops, you could just implement foldl as one. < 1329681347 584449 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I eventually did do that < 1329681350 133769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr too, though it'd be trickier. < 1329681353 66978 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first way was just for fun < 1329681359 204955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1329681363 587780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1329681363 789934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 3h 13m 15s ago: It displays purple when visited in MW 1.18, unlike wikilinks. < 1329681363 976831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 3h 12m 57s ago: And the same blue as external links when not. < 1329681364 163548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 2h 38m 51s ago: "removing fowl language" -- you, removing the word "cocks" from [[Esolang:Sandbox]], 2007 < 1329681364 163809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 2h 38m 29s ago: I don't think anyone can ever forgive your puns. < 1329681378 398319 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has for loops, and do until statements < 1329681404 814775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl language :D < 1329681486 383419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i punned already back then? ok. < 1329681523 695288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't actually be... what, it's been *five years* since 2007? < 1329681540 256258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shocking. < 1329681561 787460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's half a decagon. < 1329681566 489470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It was in December IIRC. < 1329681567 785251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's eerie how much faster my laptop got when ditching avg. < 1329681571 129120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, quite many months since I first came to #esoteric. < 1329681585 647965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now ditch IE and marvel at how even faster it gets. < 1329681603 430188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S FAST ENOUGH NOW < 1329681606 878392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The wiki being 7 years surprised me greatly. < 1329681609 578598 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Windows < 1329681609 765068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*old < 1329681668 740211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically i also ditched spybot, although i'm not sure if that was even running, since i never noticed it.) < 1329681695 717622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Spybot is a batch tool. < 1329681698 932005 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles "functional programming python" and seethes with rage.
< 1329681706 403922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1329681711 278666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, upwards of 90% of Windows "security" software is junk. < 1329681739 681614 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does oerjan secretly have the computer savvy of my parents? < 1329681744 59875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :avg was nice in the beginning, but they had to add more and more things. < 1329681751 635645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "Spybot" sounds like a bad thing, not like a good thing. < 1329681769 950347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, "junk" as in "useless at best". < 1329681772 443801 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno, they've worked well for my purposes. < 1329681780 531240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Spybot Search & Destroy", i have been assuming it was anti-spy software. < 1329681782 201488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced the 9% is worth using, either, unless you're using some ancient unpatched version of Windows or the like. < 1329681782 522331 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mwahahahahahaha) < 1329681793 576570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my cousin may have added it. < 1329681794 770593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's anti-malware. Why do you install software you don't know what it does...? < 1329681796 403741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1329681805 820847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, the name continues like that. < 1329681809 16222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anti-(spyware|malware). < 1329681816 772322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1329681818 561090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anti-(spyware|adware). < 1329681830 5128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how did your cousin manage to install crap on your computer? < 1329681835 279553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti-(spy|ad)ware LET'S OPTIMIZE THOSE REGEX. < 1329681852 843616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SpySheriff, also known as Brave Sentry, Pest Trap, SpyTrooper,[1] and SpywareNo,[2] is malware that disguises itself as an anti-spyware program." -- these ones are the best. < 1329681862 398667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MALWARE IS SUPER ILLEGAL AND MAY BE ON YOUR COMPUTER NOW!!! < 1329681870 915119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : does oerjan secretly have the computer savvy of my parents? <-- quite possibly, i tend not to learn the parts of computer maintenance which don't interest me. < 1329681871 300722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[FIX SPYWARE NOW] < 1329681872 953758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :REMEMBER: ALWAYS STAY SAFE ON THE INTERNET BY NOT DOWNLOADING TRUSTED SOFTWARE < 1329681875 917559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*UNTRUSTED < 1329681887 434082 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm the same way actually, with linux. < 1329681897 542985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why oerjan is even running Windows.
< 1329681901 983831 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Windows stuff I just picked up as a kid. < 1329681902 573656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this from the site of an anti-spyware tool? < 1329681927 499231 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it's possible to do some very functional stuff with python < 1329681930 46690 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spyware no < 1329681933 336325 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to implement some things yourself < 1329681935 729883 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. linked lists < 1329681952 786362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I made it up < 1329681955 486421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it came with the computer and i'm too lazy too change, and to scared of breaking it completely in the process. < 1329681961 35245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oo < 1329681979 745017 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: wouldn't the pythonic way be to use generators instead? < 1329681988 401483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would give anyone who managed to break a computer to the point where sticking in a Windows CD didn't work to reinstall Windows a medal. < 1329681988 588643 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iterators and such? < 1329681992 514976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Erm < 1329681993 365370 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: probably < 1329682004 905651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pythonic way to do functional programming? derp < 1329682007 177220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *break a computer to the point [...] by trying to install an OS a medal. < 1329682024 509627 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: http://codepad.org/4irStQot < 1329682053 657028 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: yes I'm aware that python has itertools and higher-order functions. < 1329682079 598480 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329682080 997093 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: that would be better written with linked lists though, is my point < 1329682095 686740 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not generators or iterators < 1329682096 675183 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe. < 1329682108 499121 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it wouldn't be tail recursive < 1329682114 389901 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1329682117 534845 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a big deal. < 1329682117 911810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1329682130 458414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He tried, and now it's broken. < 1329682164 148870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan HERE'S YOUR MEDAL! < 1329682164 335360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1329682165 415614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1329682175 139269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe I "jumped the gun" there. < 1329682176 721631 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak of the devil < 1329682211 384223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* that network error seems to have returned in recent days < 1329682211 586706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1329682216 90480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1329682216 292024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 52s ago: HERE'S YOUR MEDAL! < 1329682268 121240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn now my laptop wants a reboot < 1329682273 572897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1329682277 971549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "wants" a reboot? < 1329682284 516303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oerjan... reboot me... PLEASE." < 1329682285 411139 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops are people too < 1329682328 473379 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually a program like that might not be a bad idea < 1329682337 490819 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could also tell you when it's low on memory, etc... < 1329682346 430955 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or battery power < 1329682348 627923 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan... i'm low on memory... PLEASE < 1329682365 801538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: None of those things really demand a reboot. < 1329682373 527081 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I mean in general < 1329682379 741797 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to telling you it needs a reboot < 1329682462 464872 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :when doing TCO in the case of a tail recursive call, is it more common to simply remove the stack frame and replace it with the tail call's frame, or do some implementations actually translate the code into a loop? < 1329682466 895229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does a computer ever need a reboot; things like Windows installers arleady tell you you need to reboot, and apart from that it's just kernel upgrades and the like :P < 1329682497 645688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Tail recursion optimisation usually turns the call into assignments of arguments and a goto. < 1329682510 223573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: More general tail-call optimisation usually just replaces the stack frame. < 1329682516 757560 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1329682516 985293 :Chef__!~Chef@S0106001310f0b056.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329682534 734110 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do implementations attempt to spot mutual recursion and such? < 1329682594 165143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get that for free if you do tail-call optimisation well enough < 1329682600 621363 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you mutually recurse by tail calls < 1329682607 444044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: TCO implies mutual recursion optimisation... < 1329682626 660886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it mostly buys you over TRO. < 1329682638 348033 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean does it attempt to translate it to assignment in jumps in the same way as a tail recursive call < 1329682641 481935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apart from eliminating a bunch of additional constant space factors) < 1329682642 721902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the normal TCO applied. < 1329682655 700325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: If you're doing general TCO optimisation, you don't need to do TRE. < 1329682658 178344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TCO, < 1329682666 670941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no point to. < 1329682666 874932 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it not be faster in that case? < 1329682679 375679 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed replacing stack frames was expensive. < 1329682683 527123 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more so than assignments and gotos < 1329682686 347524 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1329682697 432028 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1329682708 448832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You assume a lot of things. < 1329682739 918817 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so deleting a stack frame and then replacing it with a stack frame of the same size is not a waste of time? < 1329682747 554127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you know how the stack works. < 1329682772 397324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1329682773 31114 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean deleting, kallisti < 1329682775 855240 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-255-14.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329682792 682968 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just overwrites the frame.. < 1329682795 149377 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no deletion. < 1329682815 619104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack is a contiguous block of memory. < 1329682819 220192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's whatever the stack pointer points to. < 1329682834 828974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pointer gets incremented and decremented as stuff gets pushed and popped of it. < 1329682836 50938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1329682850 549396 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay. < 1329682884 755829 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-150-177.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329682965 212662 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you might like this: http://www.amazon.com/review/R18C8QYFR1NU6J/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0738202967#wasThisHelpful < 1329682968 221370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : LAME <-- you need to do it in private, duh < 1329682975 448053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIIIIIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERT < 1329682984 930934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What a wonderfully context-free quote. < 1329682991 874329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isolated mountain cottage, i said! < 1329683001 571684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no cell coverage < 1329683004 789037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: Without the #wasThisHelpful, one presumes. < 1329683009 525689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What? < 1329683016 927985 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1329683019 478230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: alan dipert < 1329683068 172073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: LAME <-- you need to do it in private, duh oerjan: What a wonderfully context-free quote. < 1329683072 362750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't in response to that? < 1329683073 349865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1329683075 689536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1329683085 383785 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this real guido < 1329683087 750895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although feel free to pretend it was. < 1329683090 574361 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes < 1329683107 843595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem that unreasonable a review to me. < 1329683120 378362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guido has said many stupider things. < 1329683124 893779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised he recognizes turing machines and basic computer science though < 1329683128 249551 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he basically gave it a bad review because he didn't understand what it was about < 1329683152 781712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's appropriate, no? < 1329683174 716450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're meant to say what you think of a book in a review; he didn't find it that interesting and couldn't follow the last part. < 1329683181 555179 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, not really, especially when it's supposed to be about QM, and you aren't educated in QM < 1329683196 139661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people said computer science is not science and has nothing to do with computers; saying computer science is about computers is like saying astronomy is about telescopes. < 1329683222 718303 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/review/R2AVZ1CXQ025A9/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0014JLC7G guido reviews Spongebob 1.3MP Digital Camera < 1329683231 748232 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why a return address needs to be stored on a stack frame. I guess because the calling code is not always the frame directly above? < 1329683233 409268 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: why would you be surprised that he knows about basic CS? < 1329683239 853674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: Okay, but the page for the book itself and the use of the term "last part" to refer to the quantum material implies to me that only part of the book is about QM. < 1329683241 301505 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I guess when you add multiple processes to the mix... < 1329683246 600054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was thinking in the single-process case.
< 1329683257 123793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for values of some people equal to Dijkstra < 1329683263 677168 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fair enough < 1329683265 284969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: What? < 1329683272 693588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: If you don't store the return address on the stack, how do you return? < 1329683282 603932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: well, I've always assumed he didn't < 1329683306 75527 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he would have to in order to have implemented such a successful language < 1329683317 173046 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well would it be possible, in the case where there's only one thread of execution, to just increment the frame pointer by sizeof(stackframe) < 1329683322 526387 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plus I'm pretty sure he has a degree in CS) < 1329683352 739092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: wtf? < 1329683355 328179 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does say a lot of stupid stuff though < 1329683357 716691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: how does that pass control back to the code that called you? < 1329683374 309319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: note that afaik a frame doesn't contain the code or ip for its _own_ code < 1329683384 163115 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. < 1329683390 148049 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329683409 111028 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: if you have multiple threads, each thread has its own stack < 1329683424 28355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching stacks (and some other state) is how multiprocessing is implemented < 1329683446 806374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not multiprocessing, multithreading, no? < 1329683454 91056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiprocessing = multiple CPUs, to my understanding. < 1329683471 201549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I mean multitasking or something < 1329683493 671338 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a multi-core system does each CPU have a seperate block of memory for stack? < 1329683496 730231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+in < 1329683534 443125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: mind you iirc the Icon programming language has a stack regime so complicated that what you said does apply to it. < 1329683564 661238 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good. < 1329683571 93636 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: each cpu has its stack pointer pointing to the stack of whatever thread is running on it < 1329683587 151170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Each thread has its own block of memory to use as a stack. < 1329683588 719491 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay. < 1329683595 961519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cactus/spaghetti stack, right? < 1329683605 12025 :Chef__!~Chef@S0106001310f0b056.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1329683606 442246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's linked-list style, so it's not really comparable at all. < 1329683611 107230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAG stack? < 1329683623 281766 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes way more sense that physically swapping out a large block of memory into specially designated "stack" block. < 1329683639 881198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that's partially why it's done that way < 1329683685 802453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not sure what it was called but i think it was an actual stack in order, not heap frames < 1329683715 10533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that frames sometimes linger even if you return beyond them < 1329683722 418148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah < 1329683744 187341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it allows for some interesting control despite not needing heap < 1329683746 454881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: As I said, "it's whatever the stack poniter points to". < 1329683777 941460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: icon is awesome because you can write x == (y | z) :P < 1329683779 559794 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the CPU have any information about the size of the stack frame? < 1329683788 196547 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1329683789 209869 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack < 1329683789 744440 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1329683794 672935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "the size"? < 1329683803 675646 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the... the size of the stack. < 1329683813 289264 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in, frames, or, whatever unit you want. < 1329683839 561235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, Ada has two stacks < 1329683841 483837 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the maximum size of the stack. < 1329683847 223036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Why would it have a maximum? < 1329683879 983965 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does have a maximum limited by the amount of virtual address space < 1329683883 889184 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know, it's a thing in many languages to specify a max stack limit. I'm basically wonder how this is implemented. < 1329683892 958774 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ing < 1329683905 646616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, it wraps after that... that could be fine if you want an infinite circular stack < 1329683906 408303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean Python: Manually. < 1329683913 284210 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean in general. < 1329683917 521040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean pthreads: you can control how much memory the OS allocates for you to use as stack. < 1329683928 713769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean generally: question is too vague to answer and has incorrect underlying assumptions. < 1329683947 469421 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my calculator's stack is only limited by the amount of memory available < 1329683964 771299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what do you call a 2D torus? :P < 1329683984 781553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er, what does that mean? < 1329683992 627661 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :torus < 1329683994 355176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a torus is 2d, in a sense < 1329684009 945789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1D torus, I mean. < 1329684015 110248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"circle". < 1329684016 140852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A wrapping 2D field is a torus. < 1329684019 348826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wrapping 1D field... oh, right. < 1329684030 293308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange things, these "circles". < 1329684046 148801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nD torus is simply the topological product of n circles. < 1329684061 986813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1329684075 603066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the topological product identity? < 1329684100 261780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the point that i've seen blackboard bold T used to denote a circle < 1329684109 529736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1329684117 198239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: single point set < 1329684150 760411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a 1D torus, then. < 1329684154 312270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I actually meant 2D torus. < 1329684161 406090 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1329684207 758111 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is my underlying assumption that there is a general way to specify stack size? < 1329684224 703939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that $\mathbb{T}^n$ denotes an n torus, even though $S^n$ customarily denotes an n-sphere. < 1329684236 998064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: One of your underlying assumptions is the word "size". < 1329684243 523031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you assume the CPU allocates memory. < 1329684247 990881 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1329684287 954868 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how a "stack overflow exception" occurs < 1329684300 63303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most languages check it theirselves. < 1329684301 931067 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the CPU has no knowledge of the bounds of the memory its accessing. < 1329684317 169676 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay. What about, say, C? is that just a normal memory access exception of some kind? < 1329684323 835432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just segfault. < 1329684326 298930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most likely.) < 1329684333 149721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe they're thinking of \mathbb{T} as a function with weird syntax. < 1329684367 170129 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so the stack is allocated then...? < 1329684395 502381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Try again when you have a coherent question. < 1329684405 736692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, i mean, $X^n$ may usually denote the product of n $X$ copies, but for S it means something different. < 1329684416 217894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, right. < 1329684423 881289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's S that's the function with weird syntax, then. < 1329684436 789778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in order for the segfault to occur, it has to be trying to access memory that the program isn't allowed to access, right? < 1329684452 50299 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other trying to access something like NULL, for example. < 1329684457 577453 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*otherwise < 1329684480 283216 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that imply some sort of allocation of the memory? < 1329684486 694639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Yes, CPUs have memory protection. < 1329684504 560874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah. < 1329684526 313177 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, okay. < 1329684677 68356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :C programs can protect parts of their own memory too. i thought that stacks typically start at the end of a program's memory and grow downward toward the heap though? < 1329684690 361703 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's incorrect about the assumption that the CPU allocates memory? < 1329684699 55437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yeah, stacks grow downwards on most CPUs. < 1329684707 222217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: The incorrect part is that CPUs don't allocate memory. < 1329684718 470638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH etc. < 1329684733 191655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjelper tørr hud < 1329684747 561275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it does. < 1329684748 620259 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else could possibly be allocating memory.... < 1329684753 273921 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GPU? :P < 1329684753 930969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hjälper torr hud < 1329684759 820750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Allow me to introduce you to the "operating system". < 1329684762 811077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the C computer allocate memory? < 1329684773 301266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the allocation is done by the "Dynamic" in DRAM < 1329684785 801492 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my computer doesn't have one of those. I think I forgot to order the part. < 1329684799 91854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that we used SRAM where everything was preallocated in the factory < 1329684824 59283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: So what's this SDRAM then? < 1329684839 760541 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NES/Famicom does not have enough RAM for dynamic allocation; everything is allocated at compile-time < 1329684850 224077 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but yes I understand what you meant now. < 1329684861 907427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. < 1329684864 224988 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "CPU allocates memory" you meant something like there's a specific memory allocation instruction, or something. < 1329684873 426033 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: synchronized, it's for multithreading < 1329684880 287946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which would be required for it to know about RAM. < 1329684882 81711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1329684884 566805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which would be required for it to know about sizes of things. < 1329684888 71643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else the OS would have to tell it. < 1329684892 507848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote the allocation is done by the "Dynamic" in DRAM before that we used SRAM where everything was preallocated in the factory olsner: So what's this SDRAM then? fizzie: synchronized, it's for multithreading < 1329684895 758976 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :809) the allocation is done by the "Dynamic" in DRAM before that we used SRAM where everything was preallocated in the factory olsner: So what's this SDRAM then? fizzie: synchronized, it's for multithreading < 1329684930 816783 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow. < 1329684946 455134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1329684991 222459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What about RDRAM? < 1329685037 966072 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what degree is a typical processes virtual address space physically contiguous? < 1329685056 503057 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 3 or 4 degrees < 1329685057 74362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat some /proc/pid/maps to find out? < 1329685076 885629 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds scary. but I'm brave. < 1329685081 747013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "physically continuous". < 1329685089 625234 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :contiguous actually < 1329685096 14937 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes physically. < 1329685101 927201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, then. maps just lists the ranges, not where they end up. < 1329685107 317144 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1329685128 811915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :TKOE | Breeding zebras as an information storage medium | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1329685141 175701 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. I'm not even sure why I'm curious < 1329685141 551670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the T < 1329685172 238664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think i shall leave that up to your imagination. < 1329685179 729326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: This? That? < 1329685182 941269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The? < 1329685194 531821 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a /proc/pid/pagemap that has the physical map in some binary format < 1329685206 926527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _may_ have guessed the word i initially intended. < 1329685208 969293 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329685233 604861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Terrible? < 1329685236 96714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testicles? < 1329685240 540213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tamarin? < 1329685243 690391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarski's? < 1329685246 515407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teleporting? < 1329685250 840349 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50 < 1329685252 740422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toff's? < 1329685255 392860 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The? < 1329685255 910516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tangy? < 1329685257 189285 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lycopel ipha substip lhware mstruri pel neve vieredereoplatio imporph montific mer gray pischon ciparti systo wibate bonessorlverha boee ypera prispea peti admont phocea nouver arthemato < 1329685260 615896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarski's Tamarin < 1329685262 433021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I already said The :( < 1329685262 722857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTKOE BTKOE < 1329685282 193133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busty Testicles' Kind of Esoteric? < 1329685312 272313 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I'm wondering why the ' is there. < 1329685316 494053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of curiosity, do I have to sign up for GoDaddy to get a GoDaddy domain transferred to me if I plan to transfer it from GoDaddy? < 1329685326 443587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Possssssszessive. < 1329685330 122351 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "Busty Testicles Kind of Esoteric" would make more sense < 1329685335 115284 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads like a news headline. < 1329685353 814050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: banach-tarski, duh < 1329685354 577888 :monqy_!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329685416 349456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SO WHAT'S THE T IN THE TOPIC < 1329685425 193741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Oh, that works too. < 1329685483 368430 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's the main reason I'm here.. < 1329685497 704638 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no busty testicles? I'm out. < 1329685498 47846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: What, busty testicles? < 1329685499 682002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1329685516 707943 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Out of curiosity, do I have to sign up for GoDaddy to get a GoDaddy domain transferred to me if I plan to transfer it from GoDaddy? // you shouldn't have to, and typically registrars make it about as difficult as legally possible to transfer domains to a different registrar. < 1329685532 320304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Shouldn't have to what? < 1329685536 224459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sign up for GoDaddy? < 1329685547 325530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, I know they do, but it's obviously not that hard given that mass migration away from GoDaddy circa SOPA. < 1329685551 53522 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329685562 937053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am going to sign a song for Alan Dipert. < 1329685569 370302 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You shouldn't have to sign up, no. < 1329685574 49043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alan Dipert / Wake the fuck up / Fuck fuck fuck fuck / Wake the fuck up. < 1329685589 631523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fuck fuck fuck < 1329685592 706279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So someone could transfer a GoDaddy domain to someone else using Gandi? < 1329685592 893636 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :509) beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck < 1329685594 750087 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll need the current owner to give you a transfer code. < 1329685596 935024 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1329685599 470011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1329685603 746037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe was not here yet. | TKOE | Breading zebras as an information shortage medium | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM < 1329685619 752733 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the registrar you transfer to takes care of transferring once you have the appropriate proof that you should be able to < 1329685623 381953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then GoDaddy has 30 days (IIRC) to sit on their ass and not transfer it while giving you the opportunity to confirm that the transfer was a fake, but not giving you the opportunity to confirm that it was legitimate. < 1329685625 934117 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umwut < 1329685648 939359 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes that IP is really voxelperfect...
< 1329685654 128470 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these topics supposed to be making sense? < 1329685656 139676 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared17: It says it's not a scam right there! < 1329685658 736865 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu < 1329685660 307385 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1329685661 960684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I haven't divined enough esoteric knowledge. < 1329685667 959713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: best log url ever < 1329685676 748208 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a capital P? < 1329685683 889325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PiRSquared17: to look more Professional < 1329685705 488162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :For direct log access , 10 year of experience. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM . < 1329685714 707527 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg stalker mode is live < 1329685723 888078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to what? < 1329685724 985580 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not live? < 1329685726 134484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the whole point... < 1329685731 281598 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me that GoDaddy turned it off one week before it is time for renew payment if it is not automatic < 1329685752 660745 :monqy_!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy < 1329685800 138983 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But stalker mode is still read-only. < 1329685828 321839 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you intend to make it read-write? < 1329685835 624420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get this stalker mode thing, what is it? < 1329685845 470863 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/log/_esoteric/s < 1329685876 513216 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1329685891 585787 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs27125254.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://64.62.173.65/logs/log/_esoteric/s looks unsafe! < 1329685899 761433 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's displaying 20 random lines from the log < 1329685911 999044 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1329685914 19428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the latest, but always the same < 1329685920 135936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: JS on? < 1329685937 637888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1329685939 4817 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: scroll down < 1329685948 900932 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, *this* is going on it < 1329685951 792839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: r u SURE???????????? < 1329685957 988636 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less than one page, no way to scroll down < 1329685964 732319 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1329685965 303822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera? < 1329685986 743599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ? < 1329685987 1360 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, is it broken in opera? < 1329685990 978383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1329685992 63020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Gregor, an Opera user is having problems with your JS. < 1329685998 73860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away.
< 1329686030 417142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :reloading in the debugger actually put some more lines on there < 1329686039 292781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Whoa, what's this require() thing that isn't in a library? < 1329686045 213853 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last line is "06:13:32: * Sgeo is reading the BOFH archives" < 1329686052 359537 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1329686069 658269 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is they? < 1329686078 924705 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never tested it in Opera, I guess all three Opera users will just have to live without stalker mode. < 1329686109 294957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is... they? < 1329686152 466957 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO IS < 1329686153 726733 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1329686154 951575 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1329686156 864509 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY?! < 1329686174 677507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is they. < 1329686180 294922 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1329686209 912515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does it cost to steal a domain from someone < 1329686211 840640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST THEORETICALLY < 1329686214 276559 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log Who is they < 1329686230 403902 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could negotiate an offer with them < 1329686246 474699 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1329686309 270500 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329686311 574878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I'm not going to dignify that with a response. < 1329686314 972853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late, I just did. < 1329686319 617798 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops < 1329686327 552371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops indeed. < 1329686361 360368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the canonical form is "I'm not going to dignify that with a response other than 'I'm not going to dignify that with a response.'" < 1329686386 383897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't dignify them with that response. < 1329686388 520652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's missing the second half. < 1329686390 941483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly with some sort of "other than #1" notation to make it recursive. < 1329686391 127737 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a response other than "I'm not going to dignify that with a response." < 1329686399 860782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but still. < 1329686411 180818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a thing I've seen said. < 1329686421 491029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's a LIE. < 1329686448 282744 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've heard it written < 1329686460 311840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0=I'm not going to dignify that with a response other than '#0#'. < 1329686484 459476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MzScheme used to show recursive things like that. Or at least somewhat like that. < 1329686584 409201 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to learn a lisp. < 1329686591 450110 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I always get hung up on the choices. < 1329686625 136063 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zepto memories < 1329686628 793953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var . intercalate "I'm not going to dignify that with a response other than " $ cycle "'\"" < 1329686629 564493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]' < 1329686629 751334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred ty... < 1329686634 381708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1329686637 924478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intercalate < 1329686638 645236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [[a]] -> [a] < 1329686664 680046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var . intercalate "I'm not going to dignify that with a response other than " $ cycle ["'","\""] < 1329686666 146806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'I'm not going to dignify that with a response other than "I'm not going to... < 1329686787 299080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be nicer if it had the matching-quote ". at the hypothetical end. < 1329687033 203066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it does < 1329687040 435410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm no < 1329687050 590174 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I leave for several minutes < 1329687054 382543 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... we're still talking about that. < 1329687065 601703 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329687196 571017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you add the end quotes thanx < 1329687213 299145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but i'd just decided not to bother D: < 1329687218 276790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1329687340 137474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let resp = "I'm not ... other than 'I'm not ... other than \""++resp++".\".'" in resp < 1329687341 493285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I'm not ... other than 'I'm not ... other than \"I'm not ... other than 'I... < 1329687347 525482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The loser's way.) < 1329687395 44694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wtf, why is it not valid to use a (forall a. (C a) => a) as a b given C b? < 1329687417 991344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could argue about the .; as a non-native speaker, I fortunately don't have to.) < 1329687434 586676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it isn't? < 1329687442 548572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1329687456 961077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be some other problem here < 1329687476 315456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1329687477 179470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works as < 1329687478 783304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f (g x) < 1329687479 320009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1329687481 242571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f . g < 1329687481 949912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1329687482 656322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*\x -> < 1329687485 169493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* rank-n types... < 1329687519 990994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh even < 1329687523 566832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = g 50 < 1329687524 105432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1329687525 658495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x = g 50 x < 1329687526 759058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is required < 1329687544 337337 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1329687545 591797 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1329687610 901916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fizzie: Relevant: http://sprunge.us/CBjS < 1329687622 589435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can *check* that your strings include the required endings! < 1329687662 10698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Reverse is just Dual String. < 1329687713 529397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> putStrLn $ summarise resp < 1329687713 715490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not ... other than 'I...'.".'.".'.".'.".'.".'.".' < 1329687720 784394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As we can see, fizzie's is good but omits the final . < 1329687735 244616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> putStrLn $ summarise resp < 1329687735 469963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not ... other than 'I[...]'.".'.".'.".'.".'.".'.".' < 1329687737 916000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit more readamable. < 1329687829 646179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1329687831 572119 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :most readable < 1329687849 175816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Come on, that's a cute hack. :( < 1329687930 963647 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-141.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329687935 477206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I was going to end it in ... in resp++"." but forgotteded. < 1329687981 258438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1329688039 99473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :> < 1329688039 879721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `:>' < 1329688046 717090 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 :> 2 < 1329688047 424757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `:>' < 1329688139 178783 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-255-14.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1329688404 505980 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski < 1329688407 731929 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1329688416 580331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite nerd joke! < 1329688477 589906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what's yellow and equivalent to the axiom of choice? < 1329688494 314277 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the fruit ones much < 1329688500 578098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1329688519 889469 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: an orange? < 1329688520 333619 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little bit too silly for me < 1329688530 278459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no. < 1329688542 349455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good orange should not be yellow < 1329688551 79686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good orange is sweet and delicious < 1329688551 285833 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: banach-tarski! < 1329688561 967644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: sadly, no. < 1329688566 536362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like a good yellow shouldn't be orange. < 1329688574 154032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true that fizzie < 1329688577 249335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer, of course, is zorn's lemon. < 1329688578 969011 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-141.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329688591 862310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you have any other clever self-inverses? < 1329688611 394102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oerjan constructed an infinite amount of them. < 1329688629 800459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite number of families of self-inverses? < 1329688659 596356 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of those families have a finite number of discontinuities? those interest me the most < 1329688666 499226 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a self-inverted banach-tarski of families of self-inverses. (what) < 1329688669 279469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: f(x) = (2 - x^(1/3))^3 is a continuous one. < 1329688713 844102 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: for some reason you only get one event from that xmlhttprequest that downloads the logs < 1329688725 93005 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you're probably doing something wrong, because Opera is perfect :P) < 1329688746 252871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Go stare at the Acid 3 test some more if you're losing faith. < 1329688758 625597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aha.to generalize that to a whole lot of continuous ones < 1329688761 733620 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-141.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1329688769 466052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, lag deleted "i see how " < 1329688802 520798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: And for any continuous bijection g(x) from R^+ to R^+ (i.e. any suitable wiggle) that has lim x->0+ g(x) = 0, there's f(x) = { 0 if x = 0; -g(x) if x > 0; g^-1(-x) if x < 0 }. < 1329688854 354143 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1329688868 774732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lag deletes keypresses now? < 1329688878 39538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1329688893 116246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if those keypresses are transmitted in a subset of packets which get dropped < 1329688907 958402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Wiggle" is the bestest terminology. < 1329688921 575964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Anyway, oerjan's generic construction was g . f . g^-1 for any homeomorphism g, and any existing suitable involution f. The (2 - x^(1/3))^3 came from f(x) = -x and g(x) = 1+x^3 or something. < 1329688955 529847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = 2 - x, g(x) = x^3 is rather more obvious in afterthought :P < 1329688994 727219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real part of (2 - x^(1/3))^3 does not appear to be symmetrical across y=x < 1329688999 852060 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome is not standards compliant!!! < 1329689014 371400 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has lost faith.
< 1329689019 432964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You're probably not using the right cube root, then. < 1329689029 390654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You want the completely real one. < 1329689050 831082 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the animation has to be smooth" lol < 1329689090 378499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that R^+ to R^+ version fizzie mentioned is of course a special case of mine < 1329689092 568909 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. everytime I reload http://acid3.acidtests.org/ I get a different score. < 1329689097 670075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it now < 1329689132 460826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suspect that it's also the other way around modulo a translation or so < 1329689159 434289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yes, that's intentional < 1329689159 925817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, and for my "wiggle", f(x) = { k if x = k; k-g(x-k) if x > k; k+g^-1(k-x) if x < k } was an obvious generalization to let the wiggle and mirrored wiggle (the /antiwiggle/) meet anywhere on the y=x line, not just at 0. < 1329689172 600999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a test, I mean < 1329689184 980221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my chrome passes here, although the "smooth" bit is dubious < 1329689209 138408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm wait not the other way maybe < 1329689217 886778 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why does it vary? < 1329689230 256127 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :98/100 here < 1329689236 292390 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though sometimes it stops at 97 < 1329689243 495272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason why R^+ and R^- parts have to reflect each other < 1329689248 453553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of browser bugs, presumably < 1329689253 76609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :view the source, it'll be in there somewhere < 1329689276 672839 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source is scary. :( < 1329689298 2871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ://* COMMENTED OUT BECAUSE SVGWG KEEPS CHANGING THIS < 1329689310 28619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*///* < 1329689311 541021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i also had another construction but that is breaking R into intervals so gives lot of discontinuities < 1329689326 702943 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh < 1329689331 135079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie described a specialization of such < 1329689343 263481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous acid tests are http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS1/current/test5526c.htm and http://acid2.acidtests.org/, fwiw < 1329689356 345032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my chrome is one or two pixels off acid2 :( < 1329689358 456002 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does it do anything to throw off acceptance of non-standard SGML comment styles? < 1329689427 242108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-standard howso < 1329689447 255527 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't recall exactly where I read it < 1329689454 866457 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's something that's commonly accepted but non-standard... < 1329689464 575693 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE SEC < 1329689497 468807 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://htmlhelp.com/reference/wilbur/misc/comment.html < 1329689536 532479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Browsers do "correctly" these days, IIRC. < 1329689545 191654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Hixie, the author of Acid3, pushed Mozilla to but regrets it. < 1329689561 128589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It sounds likely that y=f(x) has to be symmetric across y=x for any suitable f, so in some sense it doesn't sound impossible to handwave-argue that having a freely choosable "one half" should be enough to get all of them. < 1329689698 710002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALAN DIPERT < 1329689699 82582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAKE < 1329689699 430422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE < 1329689699 971229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1329689700 315134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UP < 1329689703 689946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEEPLE < 1329689714 610764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws bricks into windows.
< 1329689724 746505 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is ALAN DIPERT? < 1329689730 711048 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1329689733 982754 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1329689737 965276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is THEY? < 1329689742 111034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*when* is alan dipert? < 1329689753 491627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyyyyyyyyy. < 1329689757 110194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is alan always dipert, or only sometimes dipert? < 1329689759 642190 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they is I < 1329689761 238385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ALAN DIPERT is the owner of esolangs.org. < 1329689768 362582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :His name is always written in all-caps as of now. < 1329689773 152419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a what the fuck. < 1329689780 960013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NOOOO http://xkcd.com/1013/ < 1329689783 284198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Join the club. < 1329689799 929299 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find a graphing tool on the internet that has x^(1/3) defined for x<0 < 1329689802 577551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. Fuck you. That was a terrible xkcd and it was days ago so you have no right to remember it. < 1329689804 914455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :iei i'm in club < 1329689805 101322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Kick yourself. < 1329689814 635651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I only said it once, so it's not even a relevant reference. < 1329689815 868714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1329689818 663437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oerjan also cheated W|A to plot it. < 1329689836 814666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: By doing sgn(x)*abs(x)^(1/3). < 1329689845 342813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to x^(1/3). < 1329689852 864461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's quite a cheatoguy. < 1329689853 51166 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: always so negative against xkcd < 1329689861 87023 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wtf! that shouldn't even be necessary! < 1329689901 244590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Mathematica's idea of "first" cube root is the one that has the smallest (positive) angle, or some-such. < 1329689914 12876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Says our favourite Python-hater. < 1329689916 664683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's the pi/3 one. < 1329689942 886238 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Python, and use my past experience with Python to help make me sound legit. < 1329689949 935811 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try that again? which angle? < 1329690012 258092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The three cube roots of negative x are at angles pi/3, pi (the negative but real one), and -pi/3. Since they're spaced at intervals of 2pi/3. < 1329690041 120451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Pretty sure olsner has used Python too. < 1329690043 911267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ZOMGMODULES. < 1329690045 162673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also me. < 1329690069 113659 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? no, I am the only Python user. < 1329690074 637208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh gotcha < 1329690080 952836 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Best for direct log access , 10 year of experience and guarantee quality. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM < 1329690106 764689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: BTW click the "A" in "Acid3" to see details about what took a long time. < 1329690111 900087 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: other tools just refuse to pick one, and leave it undef. for -x < 1329690118 291677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reports a test taking many attempts for me, which could explain nondeterminism. < 1329690123 207735 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: h4x < 1329690130 322841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: e.g. perhaps it's busylooping to wait for a DOM element to start existing or such. < 1329690134 180677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f(x) = y > x, then f(x)-x > 0 > x-f(x) = f(y)-y so there exists x < z < y s.t. f(z) = z < 1329690165 819937 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed 3 tests. < 1329690166 47517 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test 04 failed: expected 'null' but got '[object HTMLDivElement]' - expectation 39 failed < 1329690169 246047 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test 05 failed: expected 'instructions' but got '' - expectation 21 failed < 1329690171 711536 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test 26 passed, but took 197ms (less than 30fps) < 1329690174 259712 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test 43 passed, but took 39ms (less than 30fps) < 1329690176 725151 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test 69 failed: timeout -- could be a networking issue < 1329690179 177179 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total elapsed time: 6.44s < 1329690181 820069 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1329690267 923381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and f is of course bijective again < 1329690341 463503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you're a Python user? poor soul :( < 1329690341 689076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think only f(x) = x is increasing < 1329690374 828120 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not lately < 1329690379 790816 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do occasionally do Python work < 1329690397 463809 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, before I knew any better, Python was my favorite language. < 1329690414 343565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: who is JOHN GALT? < 1329690436 53614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: favorite. language. wat? < 1329690455 513843 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time I knew... Python, C, and Java. < 1329690459 774051 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah. < 1329690469 142075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can i find info about how the memory is arranged and managed in GNU c programs? < 1329690469 867251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but you still had C as an alternative < 1329690472 885063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Best for direct log access , 10 year of experience and guarantee quality. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM | Waiting for Dipert < 1329690480 494275 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, for some reason I know the correct line is "where is John Galt" and now I hate myself. < 1329690480 856735 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this was also before I liked static typing. < 1329690497 155044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: nah < 1329690502 328908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se TOPIC #esoteric :Best for direct log access , 10 year of experience and guarantee quality. See httP://64.62.173.65/%49%27/.%2E/lo%67s/_esoteri%63/#THIS_IS_NOT_A_SCAM | Waiting for DIPERT < 1329690503 614039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: it isn't < 1329690508 791126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't worry < 1329690512 922479 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1329690522 620853 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know nothing about atlas shrugged yaaay < 1329690522 807564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mind remains unfucked by shittery < 1329690527 665521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technical term < 1329690531 894104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just watched the movie last night cuz my mom wanted to < 1329690537 76288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was far more terrible than i expected < 1329690538 464261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1329690545 554249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was expecting super terrible < 1329690548 196340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was worse < 1329690570 446017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see that < 1329690573 136945 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have one of those rolling chairs that let you adjust height < 1329690576 798943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trailer is just wow < 1329690578 865977 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I'm not going to be productive anymore. < 1329690584 211070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: did u kkno it's only part 1 < 1329690585 824377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of N < 1329690590 607412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes of course < 1329690596 146547 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to roll around while pulling levers < 1329690601 575550 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if i want to suffer part 2 tho < 1329690604 403083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes EVEN MORE shrugging to come < 1329690625 537997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atlas shrugged, atlas shrugged 2: shrug harder < 1329690627 158152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1329690631 919136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atlas shruggiest < 1329690682 57380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a total shrugfest of a book. < 1329690722 269165 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A SHRUGGERY < 1329690737 1589 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atlas Shrugged Redux: shrug hard, or shrug trying < 1329690798 725004 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :film that's just a guy shrugging, put on loop < 1329690824 451567 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is atlas shrugged about? < 1329690836 890988 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atlas < 1329690837 77746 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, capitalism, man. < 1329690838 222835 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrugging < 1329690861 533401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: RATIONAL SELF-INTEREST < 1329690867 45445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also rape < 1329690884 111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(advanced enlightened self-interest) < 1329690911 87678 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also capitalism < 1329691209 50796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: tl;dr trains trains trains BEST NEW METAL EVER "fuck no you can't do that" -govt WHO IS JOHN GALT WHO IS JOHN GALT WHO IS JOHN GALT WHO IS JOHN GALT "I AM JOHN GALT [speech that literally lasts tens and tens of pages]" and then they all go to live in a perfect objectivist captalist utopia < 1329691218 515812 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329691267 28864 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :new metal? is that about rock music or about materials? < 1329691304 617511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter. < 1329691316 636121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it predates metal. < 1329691394 569380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's about the stone age then? < 1329691415 12868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totes < 1329691419 965312 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone trains < 1329691440 691274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have cars and stuff in the flintstones, why not < 1329691633 552199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long do North Carolinians sleep?! < 1329691659 197837 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 metres < 1329691687 447667 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also rape < 1329691692 577923 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-116-46.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329691703 878436 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hampture referenced that, what's the deal with it? < 1329691716 184473 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He said that he wasn't going to subject the hamsters to *that* scene.) < 1329691772 329561 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-251.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329691773 347775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: Ayn Rand's sex scenes are usually (universally?) rapes. < 1329691784 499705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The victim comes out the other end liking it, obviously. < 1329691787 844004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Ayn Rand, what do you expect? < 1329691789 81950 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A scholar of the matter. < 1329691805 186288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-60.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1329691806 423893 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting it to involve wolf wrestling. < 1329691807 841749 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask. < 1329691811 242699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's something like 3 in Atlas Shrugged. < 1329691846 280307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which is why i was surprised that the sex scene in the movie was only an extramarital affair (oh, and there was that one other one where it was boring and intra-marital) < 1329691863 627389 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were no rapes to be seen < 1329691881 940316 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-141.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329691907 217119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, Randians tend to internalise that crap and bullshit it off when anyone points it out, so it's not surprising they'd tune it down for the "masses". < 1329691935 862783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ugh, i'd have rather seen 2 hours of rape than what i saw < 1329691990 600667 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinky. < 1329692116 454331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure you could've done that, why didn't you? < 1329692151 545357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329692392 527407 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329692478 90796 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329692692 257331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: my mom. < 1329692709 295263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :she would not have preferred rape. < 1329692726 276021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :although she agrees it was a terrible movie < 1329693130 918789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1329693267 363222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Acid2_in_Opera_Mini_4.png < 1329693276 755264 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329693414 578514 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/pwp2h/what_i_want_to_see_as_console_dlc_if_you_play_on/c3sw483 < 1329693484 208530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: Santa can't exist; telling whether someone is naughy or nice is the Halting problem. Q.E.D. < 1329693494 247468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faster-than-light travel? Halting problem. < 1329693502 544167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Predicting the weather? Halting problem. < 1329693507 448434 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else are you meant to stop? < 1329693512 560295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Designing skyscrapers? Halting problem. < 1329693524 421007 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :meeting girls? < 1329693540 697077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your problem. < 1329693549 850510 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuum hypothesis, actually. < 1329693553 530632 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you meet lots of girls elliott? < 1329693566 754490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to do something if you formally prove it's possible! < 1329693569 689550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the Halting problem. < 1329693600 857369 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you formally proved its my problem? < 1329693653 553067 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, meeting girls is now known as the Quintopia Problem. < 1329693655 521387 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-148-14.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329693705 255813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? could have sworn it was on hilbert's list < 1329693726 423601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think that was on feynman's list < 1329693797 64043 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-116-46.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329693846 661852 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1329693982 796444 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329693993 835231 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1329694045 397882 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1329694212 401191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is currently 6:59 ADT. < 1329694219 25519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimated time until 7:00 ADT: five years. < 1329694259 909490 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this ADT supposed to be? < 1329694269 666527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alan Dipert Time. < 1329694279 419032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :His alarm is set for 7:00, naturally. < 1329694292 163045 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So I installed Debian testing. < 1329694305 32767 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is good, except for all the bad parts. < 1329694366 413259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you install it? < 1329694398 478540 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over the wireless network. < 1329694407 597109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked? < 1329694421 144493 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involved a bit of trickery. < 1329694431 475104 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also took 3 hours or more, over my connection. < 1329694448 911038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the trickery? < 1329694453 292093 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've gone somewhere with a faster connection. < 1329694455 30672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what are you using for X? < 1329694469 399696 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trickery was something about something. < 1329694478 104179 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general the support is on the netinst CD, more or lessish. < 1329694513 226321 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Xfce for the moment. Not particularly happy with it but I didn't want to set something more complicated up. < 1329694545 131931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can enable dragging items on the taskbar, by the way, but it's hard to use (doesn't like to accept the drags). < 1329694548 121555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was one of my main annoyances.) < 1329694572 599510 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have bigger annoyances than that. < 1329694573 832678 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well. < 1329694587 604723 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps resetting my caps lock key to lockin' the caps. :-( < 1329694662 424731 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-8.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1329694779 965376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S USEFUL. < 1329694798 559545 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are these things all huge evil monoliths? < 1329694802 122748 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.
< 1329694824 639607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What things? < 1329694836 734257 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desktop environment things. < 1329694844 200142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's the definition of a desktop environment. < 1329694849 569386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you didn't install xfce-goodies, did you? < 1329694851 86337 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-148-14.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1329694854 65022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That contains all the terrible Xfce applications. < 1329694857 521232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just install the core. < 1329694872 94211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't ask us, ask the aliens who made them < 1329694928 660032 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like I installed it. < 1329694944 739295 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to the GNOME people, anyway? < 1329694961 124573 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME used to be an OK Windows clone, more or less. Now it's a terrible OS X clone, more or less. < 1329694974 51830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME 3 is nothing like OS X. < 1329694989 716458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that matter, GNOME 2 is not that much like Windows. < 1329694990 329587 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that it'll eventually turn into an OK OS X clone. It was a terrible Windows clone once, after all. < 1329694994 971220 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not? < 1329695008 791602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it use Alt-tab to switch between applications and Alt-` to switch between windows of an application? < 1329695032 315856 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows desktop is designed with strange but consistent principles < 1329695068 639608 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gnome 2 desktop is like humans discovering ancient alien technology and copying it < 1329695090 276593 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know when I work on the Ubuntu at FreeGeek, I noticed many things that didn't work like Windows. < 1329695109 159737 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although many things did work like Windows. < 1329695111 309870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OS X doesn't use those, either. < 1329695130 663394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: GNOME 2 is far more consistent than Windows circa XP. < 1329695133 278089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far. < 1329695140 609581 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1329695154 942229 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really < 1329695159 48216 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows circa XP is pretty consistent. < 1329695177 311165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not. < 1329695181 656139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: What's inconsistent about GNOME 2? < 1329695238 201172 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many gtk dialogs have small inconsistencies, such as the fact that you cannot undo in a certain kind of text input box < 1329695272 471345 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some dropdown selectors cannot be used by keyboard < 1329695281 227329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That undo thing applies to Windows too, I'm pretty sure. < 1329695289 971286 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, bug-for-bug? < 1329695291 756729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can undo those dialog-box-with-text-entry-field things. < 1329695294 963597 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alien technology indeed. < 1329695298 842461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like JS prompt(). < 1329695310 613455 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was like Windows, and expected some things to work. Some things worked and some things didn't work. Double-clicking the control box to close the window didn't work. Dragging a scrollbar and then moving the mouse pointer out of range before releasing the button to snap back didn't work, double clicking the title bar to maximize did work though. < 1329695313 519726 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's often impossible to use Gnome programs with only the keyboard < 1329695318 580896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, GNOME 2 is by no means a Windows clone, and I'm not saying GNOME 2 is very good. < 1329695326 595146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's better than Windows. < 1329695328 902123 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The KDE desktop is worse in that area, though. < 1329695369 32061 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It's much more often impossible in GNOME 3. < 1329695369 269740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, Microsoft would never arrange the panels the way GNOME 2 did (which I personally like). < 1329695456 535340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's been 42 hours since I sent that email. < 1329695464 736295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When's the acceptable time to get impatient and send a follow-up? < 1329695514 392625 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337 microfortnights < 1329695531 665248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1337 microfortnights -> hours < 1329695542 684876 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :28077/62500 (exactly 0.449232) < 1329695555 650090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that from now or from when I sent it? < 1329695595 335898 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook hazy, please try again later < 1329695675 77291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check back in 0.449232 hours. < 1329695675 315871 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The email to graunena < 1329695676 217119 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1329695691 635559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dipert. < 1329695694 667762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DIPERT < 1329695821 262513 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :microfortnights... < 1329695870 334303 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2096 seconds < 1329695910 371899 :Chef_!~Chef@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1329695987 875274 :PiRSquared17!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection