< 1330473828 324236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330474043 259093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so the tricky part appears to have been making defined functions have bindings for their name in their own environments < 1330474067 397962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a purely functional lisp now, I think < 1330474113 295886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step: implement enough stuff to write a different lisp in that lisp < 1330474805 906303 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330474806 254089 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1330474845 674007 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.159 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330476013 102897 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE79.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330477614 207422 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-029-066.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1330478449 230520 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-006-094.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330481837 533019 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330482542 986787 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well, first thought, is something like the State monad >.> < 1330483555 144051 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1330486710 128093 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330488714 777069 :mmorning!~mmorning@209-6-254-59.c3-0.wrx-ubr1.sbo-wrx.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330488793 465776 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330488841 246863 :mmorning!~mmorning@209-6-254-59.c3-0.wrx-ubr1.sbo-wrx.ma.cable.rcn.com PART :#esoteric < 1330489123 498109 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~ais523/ this page seems to have tags which are not being processed on it < 1330489333 400977 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-229-225.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330489498 707845 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-124.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1330490975 249367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what kind State monad? < 1330490975 437717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1330490980 854063 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1330490981 42801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 15h 46m 15s ago: yes, by the way: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode.txt < 1330490981 230165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 15h 46m 3s ago: and see http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC0_FAQ#May_I_apply_CC0_to_computer_software.3F_If_so.2C_is_there_a_recommended_implementation.3F < 1330491263 177143 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1330491913 976249 :MSleep!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1330492048 702178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 259*6 < 1330492049 478788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1554 < 1330494481 752555 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1330494529 492028 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..cpan tests are insane. < 1330494536 536756 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sitting and waiting < 1330494541 677504 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like hundreds of tests to finish. < 1330494547 265525 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thousands? < 1330494644 834192 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1330494796 799747 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1330494856 414539 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 QUIT : < 1330495263 501402 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquaredAway < 1330495311 244983 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330495827 743943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1330496132 777362 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1330497232 489456 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1330497245 680985 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330497269 440068 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1330497383 99882 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330497598 984996 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-139.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330497609 579846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-229-225.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1330498365 778751 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Hu @Lisp < 1330499192 41221 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1330499686 40183 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has a purely functional lisp in some lisp. < 1330499695 803105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, the state monad, done manually, with something like a Map and a counter for fresh IDs as the state < 1330499961 111055 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1330500909 529350 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1330500989 971150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this stuff about a state monad? < 1330502664 394321 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1330502673 323050 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding optimal constants is really not that easy < 1330502928 564198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either pick size or speed. < 1330502976 129363 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brainfuck like constants < 1330502976 320104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1330502982 806198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1330502982 994491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1330507245 947932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1330508920 711220 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My irssi stopped logging stuff since 29. Feb 2012 o_O < 1330509181 741993 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-237-9.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330509220 21687 :PiRSquaredAway!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330509348 449872 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-120-213.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1330509356 621729 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's today, isn't it < 1330509476 628726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It no longer logs the future, like it used to. < 1330509643 394551 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1330509652 565818 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since today midnight. < 1330509783 896043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's taking the leap day off. < 1330509824 969777 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330510597 836138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330510627 110269 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1330510637 788987 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My permissions are corrupted somehow < 1330510644 923132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -lah tells me 664 < 1330510656 91219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone < 1330510662 167118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except elliott because he isn't here < 1330510663 811933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no access to it < 1330510712 343274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think there's quite a lot of other people who are not here either. < 1330510797 804356 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PART :#esoteric < 1330510800 590639 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1330510907 448906 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PART :#esoteric < 1330510910 22796 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1330511188 595918 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7DA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330511414 560452 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C7DA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330511777 925767 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1330512024 810507 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-237-9.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1330512036 270444 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-201.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330513791 988301 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-252-139.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1330515736 647322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It no longer logs the future, like it used to. <-- what? < 1330517056 40436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this polymorphic variants thing in OCaml is about halfway between standard type systems and Anarchy < 1330517067 864896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a lot more of the way if you could have polymorphic temporary bindings < 1330517106 374881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : # q(4) // q(4) ;; < 1330517107 744792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : - : '_a -> [> `E of [> `E of '_a * int ] * int ] = < 1330517109 370598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : # let x = q(4) in x // x ;; < 1330517110 846710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : - : (_[> `E of 'a * int ] as 'a) -> [> `E of 'a * int ] = < 1330517117 645001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the problem? < 1330517140 772952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Anarchy, you'd expect the two (translated appropriately for syntax) to do the same thing < 1330517217 563140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that's definitely nice is that OCaml's syntax for types is expressive enough to describe all the types in Anarchy (or would be, if a couple of arbitrary restrictions were removed) < 1330517257 950929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just, you know, horsing around. (Isn't that the expression?) < 1330517266 51243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No actual horses were involved.) < 1330517271 830971 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1330517371 143133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is the fundamental reason that oerjanswap doesn't type in OCaml (and Haskell does even worse) < 1330517390 186073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because if you copy something with :, both languages expect both copies to be applied to the same sort of stack < 1330517394 216166 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's oerjanswap < 1330517470 26856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's an Underload program, aa((!((aa)(!))))*:*^!**^a*^a*aa*(*:*^!**^)*^ < 1330517477 599709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does the same thing as ~ but without using ~ < 1330517508 957365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually been having fun trying to create it, the *:*^ bit is IMO the most important bit < 1330517514 341847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to recreate it < 1330517528 860375 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is made of magic < 1330517534 466314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Chrome... http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/bitmap.txt "This page is in [Galician]. Would you like to translate it? [Translate] [Nope]" < 1330517539 195112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... really don't think it is. < 1330517546 316308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though admittedly I don't speak Galician. < 1330517568 216425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it translate to anything intelligible? < 1330517572 508582 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1330517586 243170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Some of the "XXXXXX"s turn into "Xxxxxx"s, and some spaces disappear. < 1330517588 205285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Galician, I mean < 1330517591 736780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK < 1330517625 103607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound like a lot but it's readable after that < 1330517689 142207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what are you referring to? the Xxxxxx thing, or something else? < 1330517701 66954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xxx thing < 1330517745 580567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The rows are students, and the columns are exercises they've answered; I was trying to check if it looks like the columns are getting sparser as they go from left to right.) < 1330517769 940864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does kind of look like they are.) < 1330517790 499660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's obviously an ironic take on social darwinism and its effect on post-modern agricultural education. < 1330517799 450310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too. < 1330517884 898688 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what does oerjanswap do? < 1330517891 611600 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, exactly < 1330517892 809678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the same thing as ~ < 1330517903 534859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an example run somewhere so i don't have to do it myself < 1330517910 437582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the wiki talk page < 1330517912 195458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find it < 1330517921 351115 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay thanku < 1330517934 888457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Underload#Tracing_the_.7E_replacement_code < 1330517935 595764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThankU, the most grateful university. < 1330517952 348060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it more useful to step through it in the online interp, though < 1330518052 868856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh new mediawiki? When did that happen? Haven't really been paying attention < 1330518099 328636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a "coup". (Is that the right word?) < 1330518113 472195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, ehird behind it too hm < 1330518123 139910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just hope it stays up then < 1330518137 686460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it needs to be "illegally" or "by force" to qualify as a coup, according to WordNet. < 1330518166 269956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've given myself and User:ais523 bureaucrat rights" <-- right, sounds like a coup < 1330518190 870220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Graue set up a redirect from esoteric.voxelperfect.net (which he still owns) to esolangs.org (which ehird now owns) < 1330518199 316850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1330518211 6382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's with his blessing, at least < 1330518237 791518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just worried that it will suddenly go down. Previously ehird's server haven't been the most stable in the long term. < 1330518237 978449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clarity in Expression 2012 campaign message again: esolangs.org is pointing at elliott's thing, he doesn't "own" the domain, which is what a reasonable person would assume you're referring to if you just say it like that. < 1330518318 346473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so who owns the domain then? < 1330518349 667288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ALAN DIPERT is I think the accepted spelling. < 1330518374 342488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's been no change there. Well, except maybe in the spelling.) < 1330518378 349994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also "Clarity in Expression 2012 campaign"? < 1330518417 650251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did one such inane detail-oriented correction few days (weeks?) back under the same title. < 1330518425 166699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1330518429 620451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything done twice is a tradition. < 1330518435 702265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1330518458 773665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it might've been in another channel, actually. < 1330518476 996306 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be Power of the Continuum inspire us to create a new esolang. < 1330518497 902844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-02-23 10:27:52 Also is it a PRNG instead of a RNG? (This message sponsored by the "Exactness in Expression 2012" campaign.) < 1330518506 339644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I misrekolibred. < 1330518518 351930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just say they changed the name. < 1330518533 938544 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's a competing campaing < 1330518540 114459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :campaign < 1330519040 430247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the oerjanswap trace might look more readable if someone aligned the show-the-command, and maybe added the remaining program at the end, something like http://sprunge.us/XJSC even though it's quite a bit wider. < 1330519055 922591 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i get oerjanswap < 1330519085 51690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An oerjanswap is where aliens swap an oerjan with a fakerjan and fool us all. < 1330519089 371315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have already happened. < 1330519153 399130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i get that he has a pattern which puts something under the topmost thing in stack which is of the form X(pattern)Y, he then puts X under B, pushes Y, and concatenates, then running finishes the job < 1330519175 982197 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the pattern works i don't completely get yet, and i suppose that's the main idea < 1330519182 34447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1330519188 999409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should've been X(something)Y < 1330519219 783038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you're thinking about it from the opposite end that I was < 1330519258 946581 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mine is how oerjan wanted it to be solved < 1330519279 228618 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's how i understood the comment < 1330519293 717414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean you're trying to understand The Pattern first? < 1330519446 927385 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so the pattern is not very complicated < 1330519511 65714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I think we both thought "hey, it's implementing dip" < 1330519529 881638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't think of it in terms of constructing a string to put one element under the other element < 1330519556 407980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather, using it to escape the bottom element so that you could concat the escaped top one to it safely < 1330519564 261653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some extra stuff in between to pop out the unwanted elements < 1330519572 124731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330519575 893414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it does is it forward-creates a program which has put B, remove it, then put something. it duplicates this and removes the last "remove it then put something", and runs. now, B will be put, then removed, then something is put, then B is put again but not removed. < 1330519589 573170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is complicated paren putting and removal by running < 1330519595 252538 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kind of obvious < 1330519658 772024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: MY WAY IS CORRECT < 1330519685 395421 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's tired for "i'm too lazy to understand what you mean".) < 1330519754 963004 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see where in your interpretation the actual swapping happens < 1330519793 867222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it constructs (a)(b)(a)(b), then gets rid of the outside ones < 1330519812 538486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting rid of the top one is easy, getting rid of the bottom one you do by sneaking an ! in while you're constructing it < 1330519823 545158 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool < 1330519833 877453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still prefer my interpretation < 1330519938 351311 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's putting arbitrary constants under stuff => being able to wrap topmost element in pretty much any piece of code => putting even B under stuff < 1330519948 180494 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome use of concatenativeness < 1330519950 369409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's a neat one < 1330520727 713885 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1330520727 937420 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1330520727 937560 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1330520906 717023 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1330520954 188079 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1330520959 167234 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1330521005 727780 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1330521364 655360 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-186.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330521424 592010 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1330521564 357835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is it weird that I've been reading the wiki offline from the dumps? < 1330521867 771819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1330521877 259813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you are the only person to ever do it, < 1330521880 158734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1330522454 740890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330522526 306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330523158 72631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to compile Oolite, but it keeps erroring out because it doesn't have jsapi.h, in spite of jsapi.h existing. < 1330524132 770670 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1330524584 748857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330524843 897220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, maybe in the wrong directory? < 1330524856 832626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but how am I meant to handle that? < 1330524868 99202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no configure or anything; just a makefile. < 1330524872 747375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, check the include path used when compiling then? < 1330524878 939215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and patch it if it needs it < 1330524893 942622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, check the place where it is included too < 1330524921 115619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and if all else fail check if debian applied any patches to their package of it (if they have one) < 1330524934 857950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, any relevant patches < 1330525080 183446 :Goosey!~Goose@cpe-72-178-49-126.elp.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1330525311 160091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"src/Core/Debug/OODebugMonitor.m:176:4: error: ‘-fobjc-exceptions’ is required to enable Objective-C exception syntax" < 1330525316 59989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR CHRIST'S SAKE < 1330525339 775066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, turn that flag on then? < 1330525370 121930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Arch already /has/ an Oolite package. < 1330525377 325950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An up-to-date one, at that. < 1330525396 278511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch packages are usually pretty up-to-date < 1330526417 660843 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1330527179 399329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1330527280 288931 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330527679 820975 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-224-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330527705 764702 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-186.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1330528237 383297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1330528241 503226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Basic_Input/Output_Commander oh dear < 1330528674 50762 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, what’s the significance of the logo in the top left corner? < 1330528689 94755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has sub-lime significance, has it not? < 1330528817 730804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose the pun in the welcome message has not yet "went".) < 1330528885 396072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you search the log, you can find that it symbolizes the matrix of solidity. < 1330528954 875376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think the official answer is "it's just an image Graue chose as a placeholder, and people decided they liked it" < 1330528973 792396 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1330528976 629849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also called the "trilime".) < 1330528994 555395 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trime < 1330529532 113006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's the logo of the matrix of solidity. < 1330529641 110272 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohno, skyrim stop work < 1330529643 491173 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1330529643 679607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1330529661 494011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1330529672 623956 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if im oolite < 1330529889 627617 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-121-201.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330530027 848799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1330530067 5741 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-201.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1330530076 991219 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fpaste.org/rU0t/ <- is this a correct implementation of tag systems? < 1330530081 411020 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. < 1330530105 815633 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes m-characters < 1330530110 222306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1330530121 116137 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are production rules with more than one character allowed? < 1330530180 781937 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, the code produces the correct output for this example) < 1330530200 560992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what mroman_ means by "misregistered"
< 1330530205 960112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nick mroman isn't even registered at all :) < 1330530228 96312 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1330530229 825945 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1330530235 874550 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not verified. < 1330530247 480671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- mroman is not registered. < 1330530248 716126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1330530260 532766 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman < 1330530261 588825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to re-register it, I think < 1330530270 739080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1330530271 316055 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1330530279 6412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just < 1330530287 400767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1330530302 430344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should think through what he's about to say before saying it :p
< 1330530322 111977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i grouped it know. < 1330530363 622950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can re-register with the same e-mail address. < 1330530366 548470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't < 1330530372 426861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, so mroman_ owns mroman :D < 1330530385 207852 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-114-13.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1330530385 519003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION im owned :(
< 1330530401 420480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, you can set your account name < 1330530402 640393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never realised < 1330530422 527081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/ns set accountname ) < 1330530430 502545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I knew that I wouldn't have had to make new accounts every time I change primary nick :p < 1330531146 647084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1330531313 1430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is a 94% chance your computer has registry problems. Fix them now and increase your PC speed!" This stupid ad banner could do with a [citation needed] for the 94%. < 1330531511 534074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer has no registry. < 1330531644 937136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Sounds like a registry problem to me. < 1330531651 111501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do have both Wine on this thing. < 1330531696 714473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both wine, yes. < 1330531724 979551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also quite a lot of people seem to be calling the gconf thing a "registry", but no authoritative sources. < 1330531760 130044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's officially a "configuration database" instead. < 1330531764 148886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, bus to catch. -> < 1330531840 135416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie needs to keep a closer eye on his buses. < 1330531972 9422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although folds and maps are preferable in most cases I still miss the generality of the for loop from time to time. There is no good way that I know of to get the functionality of break and continue without having to define a function. So if anyone has a good solution for that, please let me know." < 1330533534 834118 :sampero!~solinas.o@host188-82-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1330533565 578427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sampero < 1330533574 823312 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sampero: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1330533820 281272 :sampero!~solinas.o@host188-82-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT : < 1330533831 919229 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked. < 1330533924 817464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You even made em quit, not just part, so it double-worked. < 1330534223 198882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function The wiki really wants